math-and-meta

[crimson moat]

https://forums.factorio.com/images/ext/39f3fc9e394f4199b89c67f3b0a82196.gif good video.

Top is unbuffered with priority merge

Bottom is buffered priority merge (although the buffer is too small, it's still mostly effective)

[fervent spire]

ohhh yeah that demonstrates it super clearly

[crimson moat]

with a properly sized buffer, no needed items go down the overflow path. It grabs and holds them for longer periods of time and uses them to fill future gaps, which is better functionality than an unbuffered merge which can only fill gaps that exist at the exact moment that the items pass by.

[tropic zephyr]

i just found an alien ore, i think I think I'll be making that alien energy thing that generates 500 units of electricity in phase 3 :D

[fervent spire]

@crimson moat okay it ALMOST fits perfectly on a 5x5 \o/ there will be one more input belt going into the right side merger without any overflow because it maths out perfectly that 7 inputs = 5 outputs
gonna delete the current compressor and try this out 🙏

[crimson moat]

just keep in mind that it won't overflow as much as expected until the buffers fill

but that's just a matter of time

that's why i was sometimes doing like a random snaking belt instead of using a box, so that it can hold the 50 or 100 items that i actually need without gobbling up a whole 4800 (since Satisfactory, unlike other factory games, doesn't offer smaller boxes or let you restrict how many items a box can hold - 1.2 plz? :D)

[fervent spire]

ok the top belt of the output chain is steady 780 now, guess it will propagate down the chain while the buffers fill \o/

[tropic zephyr]

I've explored this much of the map so far, I'm in phase 3. Do you think this much exploration is too little?

[fervent spire]

yesss they've all stabilized at 780 \o/ awesome

[wind crown]

Just up to preference, nothing wrong with it.

Personally I'd probably have explored more, though I'm also a few playthroughs in now. On my first playthrough I think I went relatively slow on exploration

[fervent spire]

whew that was an adventure but finally processing 6 full normal nodes of iron

[crimson moat]

good time to grab a jetpack, rifle and go sphere/sloop/recipe collecting

[fervent spire]

@vapid gorge so the lights look good, all the refineries say 100%, but when I just look at a particular fuel pipe segment it just ebbs and flows like this....so I'm a bit paranoid. but the lights look good, which is why I think this is probably to be expected, since it's a "realistic" fluid simulation, right?
since plastic+rubber is sorta "bursty" production, when all the refineries start a new cycle they'll draw a bunch of fuel...?

[vapid gorge]

if you're moving less than full max capacity you'll have fluctuating rates of flow

[fervent spire]

it never really drops below half at this pipe I was looking at

[vapid gorge]

but the general FULLNESS... generally statys abou tthe same. Unless it's in the manifold, it can go more up and down iirc

[fervent spire]

oh yeah it is a manifold

ok yeah this pipe stays full all the time. guess it is just the manifold then

[crimson moat]

They're a lot less sensitive to it.

[mint coral]

The next turned out well

[torn plaza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3-QqGVt-tM

[wary rapids]

modular sloppy aluminum done 5 more off these will do 3000 bauxite.

and that should fit in half of this floor. i have the other half to do processing into simple components.

I never bottom feed manifolds but the input is into a singular machine rated for 500 water. and failer is remating the BP not remaking a building.

[torn plaza]

those bridges look superb

[floral grove]

i am realising using the base recipe for plastic and rubber was not a great idea. Do you still use it or go through the pain of setting upa dual recipe with polymer resine to kickstart the recylced cicle ?
I'm trying to figure out how to max out fuel production and rubber/plastic in the mean time on my crude oil site

[meager kettle]

base recipes is good for a starter. but i will do the hor -> diluted fuel -> recycled plubber cause i find it fun and intresting and i'll have enough production to train it anywhere

[unique cypress]

Base recipes for the first factory for personal use, HOR + Diluted + Recycling for all the next ones

Except an ammo factory, if it needs like 12/min, I ain't bothering with recycling

[floral grove]

i see yeah... and do you guys bother with polymer plastic ? I looks like the best would be to do only rubber as it has a better ratio and then convert it to plastic in the recycling loop (how am i to set up that ? 😢 )

[meager kettle]

i do residual rubber from the polymer. then use the fuel to just double back and forth to get the yield i want

[wind spade]

residual rubber is indeed more resin efficient

[unique cypress]

I set mine up like this

[oblique hollow]

Doubling the residual rubber or just adding it to the final output is the same efficiency if you use recycled rubber + plastic.
Kinda a "do it however you want" type of deal

[meager kettle]

my factory does 2400 crude to hor to fuel, then the 1600 resin to 800 rubber doubled to 1600 plastic to 3200 rubber to 6400 plastic and then the left overs to end up with like 3200 rubber and 4800 plastic. (iirc two blenders slooped to make a little more fuel).

[floral grove]

oh wait it uses 100% of the fuel production ? i didn't see that coming xD
so you have to split it between item production and electricity, my bad. I didn't realise that (atm the rubber/plastic is a byproduct of the fuel production)

[meager kettle]

no

thats dedicated to plubber

i make power elsewhere

the plubber is made in the gold coast, and power at blue crater lake

[floral grove]

damn i love you crater build btw

[meager kettle]

i wanna redo it, have new ideas :p

[floral grove]

i'm working there at the moment, on circular designs as well.
Anyhow, If you produce plastic and rubber elsewhere... then what happens to byproducts in the fuel generation line ?
sorry for the basic questions

[wind spade]

resin can be easily sinked

or make into something that is required nearby

[meager kettle]

either sink it or train it away to be used elsewhere

[torn plaza]

pretty good basic iron automation

[balmy ice]

what about this?

[torn plaza]

that works too

[balmy ice]

the packed fuel can be used for the jetpack right?

[torn plaza]

ye

[unique cypress]

It's a terrible jetpack fuel though

I recommend packaged liquid biofuel instead

[balmy ice]

its better then solid biofuel

[unique cypress]

Barely

[balmy ice]

nvm i dont even have the packeger the

[balmy ice]

?

[unique cypress]

Sure, but I usually do something like this
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=dLjt7Z21EWM4VHJYq2ee

[balmy ice]

im gonna stick to my but thanks

[mint coral]

I also like my but

[wary rapids]

@floral grove im usually making due with basic recipes untill i possess blenders. Its just less water and a much smaller foot print. its easy to transition sense the rubber plastic belts become resin belt when you machine become residue producers. the math is easy just remember the rubber or plastics you can make is equal to the amount of fuel you have plus the amount made from resin. in phase 5 i will scale deeper into finall products before scaleing wider.

[mint coral]

1.2 ideas. get them fluid trucks roling

[wary rapids]

hopefully that released soon enogh for heat fused frames in the starter factory.

[mint coral]

I never use the Acid recipes. Everytime i think about it then go.... "nah"

[wary rapids]

acid is supper easy to work with sence it comprses so much you could make a power plant on the other side of the map with one train wagon.

[coral gazelle]

im only a couple hours into satisfactory and keep on looking for the perfect place to build my base where i'll do everything out of, but everything is so far apart.
im starting to think that this is the kind of game where you have multiple bases for different things and transport resources and power between them
am i right in this line of thinking or am i missing some key upgrade that allows consolidating everything into one base to be possible?

[mint coral]

I tend to just build where the resources are. Space is our greatest resources at being moslty limited by your imagination. So i dont think about it much

[wary rapids]

imo dune dessert is the easiest place. use trucks early

[mint coral]

My first tip is...

Dont make a Main factory (base) spread otu like a plague. The map is huge

[meager kettle]

You can do either. Both methods require logistics. Typically trains.

[wary rapids]

logistics is central to the game design.

[outer vale]

"main base" style setups tend to be recommended against, simpler to build smaller factories nearer the resources they need rather than transport stuff just for the sake of transport

the game encourages expansion quite quickly

[coral gazelle]

i see. thank you, time to destroy everything and rebuild... again

[outer vale]

other tip: don't delete a working factory, just leave it be

no point undoing a bunch of work for negative gain (you've gone from making some stuff to making no stuff)

[wary rapids]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

thier is no wrong approch it takes allot more upfort work to build a large base the advatage is you have everything on site to levedge the best recipes.

[mint coral]

you dont need to destroy ( do what you want though) most the time i leave my mess to keep chugging along and just make new and more elsewhere

[wind spade]

best recipes depend on location 🙂

hence why separate factories are imo better - you can use different recipes for different things

[coral gazelle]

yeah but rn i just have the one factory for iron and copper and their products, and theyre using normal nodes since i wanted them to be close to some other stuff cause i was trying to make one mega base. so i wanted to move over to where there are pure nodes for both
i get what you mean tho but the power i currently have is just biofuel so it'll stop running eventually if I just leave it be anyways

[wary rapids]

early game your focucing on making buildables. whether your moduall or make a big site does not matter

[wind spade]

honestly in the future you'll build on much different scale than now, so spreading your builds kinda becomes a necessity anyway (though you can build in one place if you're crazy brave enough)

[unique cypress]

Tbh making buildables is my main focus throughout the entire game

[outer vale]

if you're concerned about power, you could just disconnect that factory temporarily and reconnect it once you get off biomass

or worst case, leave it disconnected indefinitely, still less effort than deleting it

[coral gazelle]

hm. i guess. im about to build my first coal generator as well
but what about getting the resources from dismantling it to help me build this new one?

[outer vale]

you'll always need more building resources, so best to get them automated anyway

[wary rapids]

Frankly I think I would start in plains in future runs. and make modular factories for only buildable. i would grab my first oil products from crater. then i would build a independent facotry on a completly differnt site.

[wind spade]

if you're that low on building resources, then you might run into an issue where you dismantle factory, then start building the new one, then run out of resources before you finished, leaving you with no resources and no factory

and even a bad factory can make more resources than no factory

[wary rapids]

making a big facotry before having a jet pack is pain i would not want to relive.

[tropic zephyr]

how can you split items like that?

[balmy ice]

yeah

im trying to right now

[tropic zephyr]

if you can do it

[dusky dust]

Manifolds, generally

[tropic zephyr]

tell me how can you do it

[tropic zephyr]

hm

[dusky dust]

Just hook stuff up in a line; it'll auto-balance (so long as the feeder belt is providing enough material to everything)

[tropic zephyr]

oohhhh like that okay

thats make sense

[dusky dust]

Or alternatively, kick the manifold down the line a bit -- for everything but miners I tend to just have dedicated machines (clocked appropriately) for each "thing"

[tropic zephyr]

damn everytime i forget manifold system

[dusky dust]

So like if I'm making Iron Plates which are needed by three different things, I'll have three different sets of Iron Plate machines for each thing which needs 'em

[mint coral]

Manifolds are great in this game

[dusky dust]

And the only thing that really gets manifolded across products is the ore, or whatever

[tropic zephyr]

and everytime it makes sense

Just because every machine in a factory operates at 100% efficiency doesn't necessarily mean it's perfect, right?

[mint coral]

Efficiency is a subjective term. It is always in relation to goals

[tropic zephyr]

yeah thats true

What's the point of a balanced system when you have a manifold system? They're the same thing; a manifold is just a much simpler version.

And if the miner isn't completely full and is only extracting enough ore, all the machines will work at 100% efficiency; what's the point of balancing then?

[wind spade]

no point at all

[ionic sapphire]

startup time usually

not that big of an issue for high throughput items

[tropic zephyr]

how, I don't understand?

[ionic sapphire]

thats fine

[tropic zephyr]

hm okay

[mint coral]

Balancers help reduce the stacking effects of radioactive parts.

[tropic zephyr]

What do you mean by radioactive particles? What are they doing with them?

[mint coral]

Making fuel rods for reactors

[tropic zephyr]

What happens if they stack on top of each other?

I apologize for not being able to fully explain my problem because I'm using translation.

[mint coral]

The radiation stacks in intensity and area of effect. There is a cap but the zone can get as big as a biome and you can burn through filters (that protect you) real fast

[tropic zephyr]

Damn, I didn't know this, this is going to get me into trouble

[mint coral]

Just another aspect of the game to manage.

My plan is to create the exact quantity needed so they arrive just before needed.

[tropic zephyr]

Yes, that makes sense; if you can use a snail for this purpose, it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

[brazen copper]

I might need to make another generator

My batteries are dropping to 99-98%

[mint coral]

Make 15 biomass burners. You got this 😛

[brazen copper]

[mint coral]

You did a TW of storage ya?

[brazen copper]

I have 5 powers storages

[mint coral]

I guess it was someone else wanting that much lol

[brazen copper]

[mint coral]

Hehe,

Im thinking Rosie

Discord confuses me at times

[brazen copper]

Do I need to make another coal generator or should I be fine?

[mint coral]

Are you close to phase 3? If so you maybe okay to wait as the next power solution is a good jump forward

But if you are newish the experience in making more coal power is really good

[gaunt pendant]

Need help with rotors, making a new base for improved factories and i need help on distribution of each thing

This is whats going on

[coral gazelle]

im trying to get my first coal generators running but the pipes after the junction dont take water for some reason

[mint coral]

Make a post in #1038092680493801533 with more pictures so we can see everything. Details like how many water extractors and what they are clocked to.

[coral gazelle]

seems like it was a bug. i tried placing just the pipe and then overlaying the junction onto that and it worked

[crimson moat]

Occasionally a pipe just bugs and doesn't connect at one end properly, which is fixed by delete and rebuild. It's rare if you use the best building practices, but it does still happen. I think it might be related to game performance / stuttering.

[summer flare]

Make a post in https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533
Have you also got a design of what the layout is - that helps, especially with the recipes used and the maths

[tender saffron]

Has anyone made a train network where each station handles one step in the production process? Like iron ore station, iron ingot station, iron plate station etc.? Or do you just create finished factories that only take raw ingredients as inputs? I'm kind of new to using trains, so I'm wondering if it's good to create a network like this?

[mint coral]

I personally try to always move hte most dense part as possible.

For example im not going to move iron ore when i need reinforced iron plates. Ill move the Reinforced iron plates as they take up less space

[meager kettle]

can do anything

[tender saffron]

I mean if you need iron ore for both iron ingots and steel ingots, then you can just run a train from the iron ore station to both iron smeltery and steel foundry.

[crimson moat]

Moving the items has a huge cost.

There isn't any purpose to moving all of your items each time you do a production stage, they are just sightseeing and taking up your time and your CPU performance.

I mean if you need iron ore for both iron ingots and steel ingots, then you can just run a train from the iron ore station to both iron smeltery and steel foundry.

Yeah, but you could also just move the ones going to the steel

[meager kettle]

you can, but i wouldnt use same station/terminal to transport items to two diffrent locations

[tender saffron]

Hmm, good point

[outer vale]

or you could make the iron for the steel at the steel place

the most efficient transport is no transport at all

[crimson moat]

in that case moving the iron for the steel (or moving coal to the iron) has a purpose: getting iron and coal in the same place, when they weren't - so now they can make the recipe which consumes both.

However you should still generally try to build somewhere that they do exist together and don't require transport if reasonable.

Transporting products from those places is generally much easier than transporting ore around, as it is fewer item counts / item stacks.

[tender saffron]

So I should just run train lines from one resource node to another?

[meager kettle]

i wouldnt

[mint coral]

or find spots with all the resources near. Coal and Iron are often close

[meager kettle]

i would make steel in a location which had both coal and iron, make the products i need then use trains to send the products where i need em

[tender saffron]

What if say, I want to use 50% of the iron in one location and 80% of the coal (just an example), and then I want to use the rest of both of these resources elsewhere?

[mint coral]

which is moving parts at there most dense. This is what i do too

[mint coral]

or just leave them for later. You can build them out there when you need them or build new elsewhere and jsut leave it

[meager kettle]

considering iron is just about everywhere, i dont really see a need to ship it anywhere

[tender saffron]

Let's say this specific iron node is halfway between two other resources that I need to bring together.

[meager kettle]

how far apart are they?

[tender saffron]

Just a hypothetical, idk if iron ore is needed specifically

[meager kettle]

so if distance is <500m i wouldnt use trains for that. it would just clog up the highway

[mint coral]

you can make hypotheticals all day. In the end the game is Logistics, layouts and math. These are all choices we make along the way. its best just to get in there and play. youll make mistakes, youll be sub optimal but thats fine. Just make a choice and go for it.

[meager kettle]

instead i'd make my station between, and consolidate the materials there

[tender saffron]

It seems interesting to have a main train highway going across the map and then just have factories as offshoots of the main track that run trains from the raw resources to them.

[tender saffron]

I'm here because I've been doing exactly that for 200+ hours xD

[meager kettle]

yes

[tender saffron]

Yeah something like that

[mint coral]

i didnt join this discord until after 900 hours and learned many hard lessons lol.

I dont regrett bad choices i made because I learned so much

[tender saffron]

Yeah I could just keep going without trains for now, I'm only just now starting aluminium production, but I got bored of always adding new factories, so I want to redo my past ones to be more efficient.

[mint coral]

this is NOT me giving you a hard time

What is the difference between remaking a old factory and just building a new one?

If you still have many resources on the map is it not more efficient to just build another building then to rip down a old one then remake it.

[tender saffron]

I know, it's fine 😛 I'm not ripping down the old ones until I've built more efficient setups. The problem with the current setups are they are not scalable.

[outer vale]

they don't need to be scalable if they make what you needed at the time

since you can just build more into your new factories as needed

[mint coral]

i guess i see it different as i dont scale. I jsut build more when needed

[tender saffron]

Say I need 600+ iron plates a minute instead of 40. Well, now I don't have room in any direction to make more iron plates because I made a smelter + constructor + storage floor instead of endless smelter floors -> endless constructor floors -> endless storage.

[outer vale]

well that's fine, because presumably whatever you built there didn't need 600 plates otherwise you'd have built them there in the first place

so instead, you can build the 560 more plates you need somewhere else, wherever's convenient. If that's the same place, then just add another layer of factory or build it off to the side or whatever

[tender saffron]

I guess it's just so I can more easily scale up production later without having to rebuild from scratch.

[mint coral]

if you need 600 instead of 40 you likely need more resources then is provided near to the older factory. Better to find a few pure nodes to build on

[outer vale]

it requires the same amount of factory either way

[mint coral]

again this is not judging or saying you are wrong.

play anyway you wish I am trying to understand your mindset as it is one many share

[tender saffron]

True that

[outer vale]

(ignoring alts of course, which you completely lock yourself out of getting any benefit from if you prebuild for one particular recipe tree)

[tender saffron]

I don't care about being judged, I'm in this channel because I want to talk meta and efficient factory layouts 😛

[outer vale]

if you unlocked Pure Iron Ingot and realised that'd give you twice as many ingots for your ore, oh well, you already built your ore processing so too late

[mint coral]

you never know in discord. I just want to make sure im being clear lol

[outer vale]

generally, the advice is to not try and predict the future, just build what you need as you need it, near the nodes that give what you need

[tender saffron]

Good point, that's actually a very interesting idea. Like, if I want to make pure iron ingots, I can just reroute the trains to the alt recipe smeltery with barely any extra belting.

[mint coral]

I generally feel that taking apart or rebuilding old facilities feels bad as i am literly taking a step backwards when doing so.

[outer vale]

lol not quite the lesson I was aiming at, but if that's what you got from it, you go girl

[tender saffron]

Some of the factories do block good building locations for larger factories though.

[mint coral]

throughput is something to think about when moving ores vs ingots

the pure iron recipe is a great example. The base recipe is 1:1 the pure recipe yeilds 1:1.8 meaning it takes up more space after refining into ingots then just shipping the ore

[outer vale]

of course the real solution there is, if you make the ingots where they're needed rather than shipping them around, then that's not an issue at all

[outer vale]

like I said earlier, ^

[mint coral]

absolutely. I personally would ship anything in the iron production line before the Assembler step

i prefer independence in general

[outer vale]

independency ftw

in case nobody's linked it yet...

!wikisearch independency

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[outer vale]

a recommendation so common it's got its own wiki page

[tender saffron]

Didn't know it had a name, that's cool. That's how I've been making factories up until now.

[outer vale]

is it? it sounds like you've been making factories specifically to be able to ship items from them to other factories, have I been misreading?

[tender saffron]

It made sense until aluminium, now I'm not so sure. Bauxite, raw quartz, coal and water?

[tender saffron]

That's what I'm trying to figure out if I want to do or not

[outer vale]

I mean 4 resources isn't much, you can fairly easily find a location with probably 3 of those colocated

[tender saffron]

The swamp was the "best location" I think, near the big waterfall, but it's still a hazzle.

[outer vale]

note that one independent factory doesn't necessarily all have to be in one place (though that does make it easier).
you might need to ship some raw resources in from elsewhere, or you might even have lil satellite factories. like if your thing needs steel products, maybe you'll set up a lil subfactory that makes exactly what you need, and ship those over.
The idea of independency is more that one overall factory shouldn't siphon from others

[tender saffron]

Yeah I know, basically, when I create a new factory now, I fill up at least one industrial container and one dimensional storage, and the rest goes in the sink.

[mint coral]

the challenge of Aluminum is the logistics. there is some areas that are better then others. i tend to abuse them every playthrough.

this time ill be moving the Coal and Quartz to the Bauxite nodes on the west coast. Im just going to belt them using curved mode in the under brush.

[mint coral]

overflow to sink. this is the way

[tender saffron]

Right

I guess I'll try independency for a while longer. At least it's easier to understand than a global train rail network

I really want to make trains work though, they just don't make so much sense unless the distances are huge I feel.

The biggest benefit later would probably be not using as much of the CPU because all items are hidden inside the train carts.

[mint coral]

i feel the same. I use Belts, trucks, and drones within a biome and trains outside of a biome

[mint coral]

I make exeptions for some things. Ill process a entire Bauxite node at a time then ship the products to where they are needed.

in this playthrough this means from the west coast all the way to the swamp

[tender saffron]

That makes sense. So maybe I can have train stations that go from east to west and north to south and then run belts within the biomes. That's not a bad idea.

[gaunt pendant]

Never thought of that

[tender saffron]

Wait why would you ship bauxite from west to swamp instead of using the bauxite near the swamp? Is it not enough?

[mint coral]

it wont be for my needs. ill be using that one too

[mint coral]

i do self imposed challenge runs. Last save i only built one train hub per biome. This ment any other logistics had to be vehicles or belts.

I learned a lot

[tender saffron]

Ah cool

I need more alt recipes before I start aluminium

[mint coral]

this was one of them

crocdile Station in the Rocky desert

#math-and-meta message

[mint coral]

im lucky i had 9 drives in a box and all recipes researched at the end of phase 3

[tender saffron]

Damn that looks like

[tender saffron]

Aren't there like hundreds? xD

Oh wait end of phase 3, I am in phase 3 lol

[mint coral]

118 to collect

[tender saffron]

Oh that's doable

[mint coral]

there is three left over when you research everything including the mam stuff like rocket fuel

[tender saffron]

Oh so almost all of them gotcha

At least exploring is much easier now with hover pack

Just have to remember to bring electricity with me

[mint coral]

I did most my exploring with a zip line. placeing power poles and power towers to get up high

[tender saffron]

That works too 😄

Are there enough mercer spheres to upgrade everything and get one dimensional depot per item?

[mint coral]

298

somethign like 200 after research

[tender saffron]

Ah okay, sounds good

I'll do things like iron ore last lol just for completionist sake

[mint coral]

the only thing that is really limited is sloops 106 on the map three for research. but they do breaks the laws of reality so i think thats fair

[tender saffron]

I guess it's useful for prefilling up a manifold system

[tender saffron]

Yeah that's fair

Doubling even endgame resources just sounds incredibly broken, that's why I use them all in my hub's container -> machine -> container setups.

[mint coral]

I generally dont put things the pioneer doesnt really use into a depot.... although i always forget the pioneer doesnt need stators lol

[tender saffron]

Prefilling manifolds though :3

I heard some manifolds take hours to fill.

[mint coral]

i do do that.... but i do this buy going from miner to storage. then when the manifold is co,plete i delete the storage (then your inventory fills) then connect the belts to the manifold. then i hand feed.

I understand your method though

[mint coral]

ya my ACU factory took hours. I forgot to connect the lines as i was really high and it sucked waiting

[tender saffron]

Oh that makes sense too. Idk if I do that for every production step though, maybe I should add more elevation to my logistics floor so I can run an industrial storage between each.

Lol

[mint coral]

I make my logistices floor 12m i like them tall so i can get around and trace belts easily

[frosty owl]

Why hand-feed?
Whenever I got to that point (having a buffer full of input aviable for the manifold), I end up just using the buffer to "flood" the manifold (eg: adding temporary junctions so the manifold fill from both production and storage)

[mint coral]

to be clear my ACU factory made lots of other things. and i cut out all plastic and rubber

[mint coral]

belt limitations. for example my first coal factory

i also tend to use belts that are good enough not fastest possible. As i like seeing the parts move along the belt

[frosty owl]

Ofc the belt is limited, that's why I edded mergers (which I called "junctions" earlier, for some reason) to "flood" it over capacity
Eg: manifold input is fed by the production, halfway down another merger is fed from storage

[mint coral]

This is self inflicted in my case. I know there is better ways. i choose to do it this way

[frosty owl]

Yeah, the preference for slow belts explains a lot here ^^

[mint coral]

this is why i am a fan of the "because i wana" reason lol

im no stranger to self inflicted pain lol

[tender saffron]

Factory cart only playthrough when?

[mint coral]

now. I have a factory cart taking my smart plates from the plains to the southwest coast to make Modular engines

[frosty owl]

When vehicles will be able to drop and take items in/from machines, probably

[tender saffron]

Just one?

[mint coral]

i only need 4 per minute

[tender saffron]

Drone input slot

[tender saffron]

Ahh, and one stack is 50. That actually makes sense then.

[mint coral]

density matters ^_^

[tender saffron]

I am procrastinating going out for more hard drives because I don't want to run into any giant green spiders again. First time I met one I almost had a heart attack.

I'm not even arachnophobic, I love spiders IRL

[mint coral]

they big scary

[mint coral]

i have a spider that lives in my window called dave. He eats the Insects that come throught the small tear in the screen

[tender saffron]

I didn't know they could leap until I tried building up to escape lol

[torn plaza]

i am arachnophobic and i think stingers scare me more than spiders

[tender saffron]

Facts, spiders are chill most of the time. Stingers are hellspawn.

[mint coral]

they murder all other then other spiders.

ive stumbled across hogs and spitters fighting them often

[tender saffron]

The first green stinger I met I build a platform 100 meters into the air and dropped like 50 nobelisks on it, no exaggeration.

[torn plaza]

i once encountered an alpha stinger in the red jungle and had a panic attack

now I'm building 72 nuclear reactors on top of it out of spite

[tender saffron]

I need to find all of their spawns and put a building there.

Fair.

Just be careful it doesn't mutate

[torn plaza]

already automated nuke nobelisks

[tender saffron]

Suddenly 100 meter tall supercharged and radioactive stinger comes leaping across the map.

We should nuke the entire planet from orbit because of the green ones existing alone

[mint coral]

someone has a glitched hell spider photo ....

@meager shadow Do you have the picture of the biome sized spider?

[torn plaza]

you jest, but

[tender saffron]

[brazen copper]

Ones long pipe or train?

[mint coral]

found it

[tender saffron]

Holy crap

Does it leap?

[brazen copper]

I have unlocked crude oil

[mint coral]

i know nothing of its history.

im told (here) that it was a glitch I have not wanted to look deeper lol

[tender saffron]

At that point I would uninstall for like a year.

[torn plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-it-with-fire-fire-gif-13411041

[mint coral]

i build at the oil.

fluids are a pain to move sometimes

[mint coral]

https://tenor.com/view/the-thing-sigma-what-what-the-sigma-gif-16425102335838838580

[torn plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/the-thing-marvel-rivals-here's-the-thing-marvel-rivals-gif-10489918399175350285

[brazen copper]

I have a long pipe from the oil to the my energy /steel production

[mint coral]

over distance fluids begin to sloosh more. this can cause issues

[tender saffron]

I am one glitch away from having a heart attack lol, yolo

[torn plaza]

turn on arachnophobia mode

[mint coral]

easier to hear and see them coming

[tender saffron]

I'd rather have a heart attack than hurt that cutie

[torn plaza]

what was seen cannot be unseen

you still know they're stingers

[mint coral]

if it makes you feek better that cats are in the credits

[tender saffron]

Nice, that means they live

[brazen copper]

I pipe it and then once I have enough oil stuff then train?

[outer vale]

why not process the oil at the oil node

[mint coral]

Make fuel from oil and ship plastic and rubber to where its needed. Although you likely have many other resources like iron, copper and coal near the oil to begin with.

You can also unlock recipes to make coal from oil in the form of petroleum coke

[outer vale]

nitpick: coal isn't coke, they're not interchangeable

[mint coral]

True but for the purposes of steel there is a recipe to make steal from the coke.

My point being you can just have production in the area rather then moving everything if you wish

[outer vale]

fair, I didn't see the bit about steel

though as you say, you'd specifically need the alt for it, couldn't just swap in coke and have it just work

[mint coral]

Correct. I sometimes omit information by mistake. Generally speaking my goal is to give advice and information not

Do x

[brazen copper]

Please don’t tell me I spent the last half hour piping stuff for it not to work 🙁

[brazen copper]

Nope

[mint coral]

I really hope it does work.

[brazen copper]

I was getting oil to my refinery

[outer vale]

most things can be made to work with varying amounts of effort

[mint coral]

Ive read that placing a pump every 50 meters or so stops the sloshing. But I have not tested. I just build on the oil

[meager kettle]

50 meters is way too often

sloshing only really happens when you have splits

[mint coral]

Neko knows much about this topic

[brazen copper]

It’s just one long pipe no spits

[meager kettle]

also doing a pump after a lift will help

[brazen copper]

What do I do with residuel fuel?

[meager kettle]

burn it for power?

[brazen copper]

I mean where do I put it?

Like it not coal generators

[meager kettle]

in fuel generators

[brazen copper]

Thanks

So there just one spawn point which is the hub??

[outer vale]

correct

[ionic sapphire]

well, if you remove the hub i think theres a backup spawn

[outer vale]

you can freely move the hub too, if for some reason you need to

[brazen copper]

Maybe more it to a more central location?

[mint coral]

I move it to my current big project. I will inevitably kill myself

[brazen copper]

Now I have this

[tropic zephyr]

We can create loops in the pipes and distribute the necessary water everywhere, in whatever quantity is needed. Can we do the same with conveyor belts?

[wind spade]

no, because they aren't bidirectional

[tropic zephyr]

hmm okay

[outer vale]

I mean you could still connect them in a circle if you wanted

[wary rapids]

@gaunt pendant this is how im doing rotors. Theirs a huge difference between motors in phase 3 and 4,5 as you don't need much until you start making turbo motors. and modular motors. at that point id recommend the rigor motor, or electric motor recipes. but if im really going ham on just rotors id detacte a site for making copper sheet then push those into one of these direct feeding racks for the cooper rotor recipe.

[outer vale]

it's not like pipe loops bypass the pipe limits mind, so you can't put in any quantity.

[wind spade]

yeah but that has like no gain at all

[outer vale]

yeah I'm not really sure what they're actually trying to achieve

[brazen copper]

I just make mine what ever I need. I don’t tidy up. If it works it works

Teehee

[gaunt pendant]

Alright, I'm just making a whole factory with everything and I'm doing rotors now, is there any good specifications of how many items I need per minute

[wary rapids]

@gaunt pendant this is where ive zoned my bays for ocliators for motors. these wont get fillied untill i make prickly pair rubber and plastics.

[gaunt pendant]

Alright

[gaunt pendant]

Ill see what i do, I gotta boot the game up and see how ill manage it, I'll probably just expand the iron ingot facotry and make more of what I'm currently making

[wary rapids]

@gaunt pendant furture site for prickly pair power and plastics.

[gaunt pendant]

All i know is im making 880/min iron ingots

Looks nice

[wary rapids]

im calling a prickly pair after a werid rock inside im building arrond

early game making rotors and starotor in amount you need with pipes makes sence.

[brazen copper]

I don’t need a second station to start loading stuff onto train?

I have platform, platform with stuff going in and fright cars

[tropic zephyr]

what is this

[wind spade]

headlift

[oblique hollow]

it shows how high the pump moves fluid

[tropic zephyr]

At one point the indicator reached its limit and gave a warning. What was the purpose of that warning and what kind of harm did it cause?

[oblique hollow]

currently, the fluid is being pushed up 11 m

[oblique hollow]

if it goes above 22, flow stops

you wont see it go above 22

that little gauge stops at 22. so if the pipe is higher than 22m, fluid wont flow higher

[tropic zephyr]

Hmm, I understand. So, when we say "recommended level," do we mean the level shown on the pump's hologram?

[oblique hollow]

that is generally around the 20 m mark, yes.
but you can just go a bit below to be safe

[crimson moat]

I've got a save where a mk.2 pump is failing to lift fluid because of headlift.. despite the display saying 43m headlift, and the actual elevation being +37m. So much for the standard 50m and "actually 55m".

Would generally recommend going significantly lower than it says, more powered pumps seem to fix A LOT of issues and quirks.

[oblique hollow]

is it that nightmarish nuke plant

[crimson moat]

yes although the version i sent you has it fixed already

[oblique hollow]

i wouldnt be surprised if it was some other bug because even the audio causes crashes and other issues 😂

[crimson moat]

pretty sure it was just the way the pipes were connected

Like we went over before, connecting a pipe top to bottom vs bottom to top calculates a different length, one of the ways is wrong.

[oblique hollow]

i did notice that you can somehow mess with the height pumps show by just connecting or disconnecting stuff to pipe networks

its really odd and inconsistent

and not even by connecting to stuff above the pump

[crimson moat]

one of the ways is wrong.

This causes e.g. the pump to say 43m headlift when the actual elevation in the physical game is +37m, so measuring the elevation ingame e.g. with foundations is not reliable. But then mk.2 pump failing to lift 37m while reading 43? Some weird shit 😛

[oblique hollow]

just literally anywhere on the network, even below.
if you mess with pipes the height display changes magically

[tropic zephyr]

What happens if I combine water and oil?

[oblique hollow]

you cant

[crimson moat]

that's illegal

[oblique hollow]

the pipes dont allow you to mix

[tropic zephyr]

oh okay

[wary rapids]

@gaunt pendant you need tools to estimate your motors the only way to know is to work back from your turbo motors/ thermal propulsion rockets. I can tell you from experience the modular motors would be a challenge to make in the same place as the turbo motors because of the number of machines involved and how slow they operate, as well as rubber costs. Also their is fair bit of motors needed for cooling units which are late game buildables. If you want to avoid having an anurism focus on doing the next logical thing at a time and push your tech up before building huge designs.

[gaunt pendant]

Got it man, thanks

[wary rapids]

almost 8 motor per min per thermal rocket. it gets to be far to much to plan out without tools by this stage.

[fervent spire]

@vapid gorge @crimson moat I found the problem in my plastic plant........ 🙃

WOW I feel like a moron lmfao

[vapid gorge]

that happens 🙂

[brisk urchin]

guys what do yall think about my HMF factory with byproducts

(unfinished, needs 4 manufacturers still and some train connections)

[trail osprey]

what's this making per minute

[brisk urchin]

15 HMF
30 Heavy iron plates
and 20 MF

i dont have it all in my head rn

[trail osprey]

damn

[brisk urchin]

man this is also only with mk2 miners

i could literaly copy paste it with mk3

[trail osprey]

holy wait ur so right i have mk3 miners idk why I'm using mk2s

🥀

[grand lotus]

why is there a random -0x for limestone at top left? what does it mean?

[mint coral]

dont worry about it. its a known bug

[grand lotus]

alr

how do i check all my alt recipes?

[mint coral]

in game or tools?

[grand lotus]

in game

[mint coral]

codex "o"

[grand lotus]

ty

[tropic zephyr]

Does the item I gave in the Awesome Shredder matter or does it make a difference?

[vapid gorge]

yes. check out the wiki for hte points list

[tropic zephyr]

oh okay

thanks

[mint coral]

rule of thumb. More complex more points

[tropic zephyr]

thats make sense

[wary rapids]

You wont be needing more tickets past the point of makeing Some adaptive control units. Then you can make statues to comemate your greed.

[tropic zephyr]

i can make that i think

I'm building this factory as a starting point for a third phase; do you think it's well-built and are the statistics good?

And do you think my brain will burn out doing this, because while designing it, I couldn't figure out how to implement certain parts in the game?

I've set up the production of everything on the satisfactory tools website, but it says this on the iron output, but I don't have a conveyor belt to transport it. How can I do this?

[mint coral]

What your max belt?

[half geyser]

You can either use multiple iron nodes all mining at the capacity of your best belt, or you can just use your best belt and accept everything will run slower until you unlock better belts

[mint coral]

Let's say your max belt it 270.

This would mean youd need to find two iron nodes that can out a combined 472.5.

270 fron one node and the remaining amount on another

[half geyser]

if you have t2 belts, find four iron nodes
if you are willing to accept inefficiency until you unlock better belts, use fewer iron nodes and ignore the problem for now

[tropic zephyr]

What you're saying makes a lot of sense. So, is my factory project progressing logically, or should I use the Satisfactory Tools website?

[tropic zephyr]

270

I think I can do it like this: if I have 16 smelters and I need to connect 4 iron sources, I need to divide 16 by 4 and connect them that way, right?

[mint coral]

You just need to figure out ways to use the tools you do have to make it work thats all

[mint coral]

Have you unlocked overclocking

[tropic zephyr]

yeah i unlocked

[mint coral]

Then overclock some iron nodes to get what you need. A normal max oc node gives 300/min ore

[tropic zephyr]

But the situation won't change; I'll still only be able to carry a maximum of 270.

[mint coral]

You dont have to put everything on one belt. You can just make several smaller manifolds

Have two manifold lines of 8 smelters each for example.

Or break it down further if you wish

[vapid gorge]

so use 2 nodes

[tropic zephyr]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. If I need to use 16 smelters and they require 540 units of iron, wouldn't it be correct to divide it into two parts of 8 units each and transport them with two conveyor belts, and with two iron ore?

[vapid gorge]

you will have plans that need 12000 ore

[tropic zephyr]

I apologize if I might appear to be using rude language due to the translation; that's how the translation works.

What you wrote seems too long, I'm scared. 😭

[vapid gorge]

they are just saying to use multiple sections of machines since your belt isn't fast enough to do it all in one go

[tropic zephyr]

Yes, I understand that. You're providing very simple but very useful information. I really, really thank you. all of you

My knowledge level may have increased tenfold this week thanks to you.

[vapid gorge]

as you go up the tiers you'll almost always need multiple nodes and sections of machinery to create your factories

[tropic zephyr]

This will be difficult to plan. damn

[vapid gorge]

it's simple enough, generally starting off by processing each node on it's own is simple enough

[half geyser]

16 smelters and t3 belts? ok

SIDE A: 1 overclocked iron miner (240/minute) -> 8 smelters (30/minute each) -> all 8 smelters merge back into one belt -> split 225 to OUTPUT C conveyor belt, split 15 to OUTPUT B conveyor merger

SIDE B: 1 overclocked iron miner (232.5/minute) -> 7 smelters (30/minute each) + 1 smelter (22.5/minute) -> all 8 smelters merge back into one belt -> split 107.5 to OUTPUT A conveyor belt, split 125 to OUTPUT B conveyor merger

This will give you the results you need here without ever surpassing 270 items per minute on your tier 3 belts, you only need two iron nodes for this 👍
Of course, you don't need to do it exactly this way, but you get the idea, yes?

[tropic zephyr]

Yes, this way I can use the map more.

[tropic zephyr]

my brain is not braining right now Give me some time to understand this.

[tropic zephyr]

I gave 16 examples of solvents, but I'll take this as an inspiration.

[tropic zephyr]

ohhhhh its easy dude okay i understand it now

yes i get the idea Thank you for your effort in this.

Thanks to this information, I can now more easily visualize factory designs for the future. Thank you all.

[half geyser]

❤️

@tropic zephyr my brain decided i needed to lay it out in MS Paint

I don't absolutely need to send it here, but if you think that'd be helpful, I can

[tropic zephyr]

If you're drawing for yourself, it would be great if you posted it here, but if you're too lazy, there's no need to bother for me.

[half geyser]

I actually have used this specific layout before

I can't remember what for, I just remember the 232.5 node and 225/140/107.5 split

[tropic zephyr]

This is a great diagram. I'm currently designing a factory using Satisfactory Tools, and I'll use it if it's helpful. Thank you.

[half geyser]

👍

[vapid gorge]

you're over complicating things

[vapid gorge]

you don't need it that complex

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch manifold

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[tropic zephyr]

The manifold system seems more useful to me; at least I won't have to rack my brains over it.

[half geyser]

true

[vapid gorge]

manifolds work basically everywhere - all you need is

1. a fast enough belt
2. at least enough parts per min that your system needs

[half geyser]

they are better

I don't use them in the early game because they are also more expensive, and it should be noted that, yes, they do use more individual structures

however, they are sooooo much more convenient to use if you're building on a grid

I used to ignore grids and just built on the ground directly all the time (#screenshots message) meaning manifolds would have only made it more complex and annoying

[vapid gorge]

do you have parts automated?
if yes, they are free
if no, your problem is not having the parts automated

[half geyser]

(I never quite broke out of that thinking)

[vapid gorge]

and you're spending more in belts when you do load balan cers

than on splitters

[half geyser]

kind of, depends on how long they've been automated for + how fast the automation is (like im not about to run a t3 belt very far if i JUST built my first small basic steel factory)

[half geyser]

yes

however, it's still generally cheaper to do that

but that's not really the point

the point is moreso that if you're gonna try and optimize for minimum number of structures you want to do what i did here #math-and-meta message

which is something you'd only want to do off the grid

and pretty much nobody seriously plays off the grid

except me from three years ago

[vapid gorge]

the world grid?

[half geyser]

any grid

but the world grid is ideal, yes

[vapid gorge]

the world grid is a noob trap

[half geyser]

what

[vapid gorge]

provides no benefits and only restricts design

you never HAVE to merge foundations between each factories

[half geyser]

no, but I want to

[vapid gorge]

and even if you do there are trivial ways to merge different grids

[fervent spire]

I use the world grid when I start off in an entirely fresh area and mostly from a place where it lines up reasonably well with the environment

and if I need to get resources to a different grid I'll just leave a gap and toss a belt over lol

clip a foundation through if I really want to

[vapid gorge]

this basic method removes any positives from using the wg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX_2i8T3Dbw

[half geyser]

effortless is easier than trivial and I uhhh I really am not bothered by not being able to control the boundaries of my factory that granularly

[vapid gorge]

and removes all the detriments

[half geyser]

lemme see this

[half geyser]

that's a pretty good system, yes

I just... have to know that it's never quite perfect

and that kinda hurts me :(

and the detriments just kinda... don't bother me, soooo I'll stick to using the world grid 🤷

but good to know that's an option

I may build small (probably decorative) things off the world grid and connect them that way

did- did you block me?

sheesh, okay dude...

[random plume]

idk how im gonna fit more than this on this one lake

maybe at the back of the lake?

[vapid gorge]

w/o rebuilding you could fit one more row as a 2nd floor between each group

[random plume]

is this on the same lake?

and idk how pumps and water work

[vapid gorge]

no but same spacing

[vapid gorge]

headlift is how high liquids can move up
pumps increase headlift

[random plume]

does the pipe being long have to do with anything

[vapid gorge]

no, just height increase

pumps also reset headlift, so yo ucan't just group a bunch together and get all the headlift from each

[random plume]

so i can make a pipe infinitely long from one extracter on the same level and it wont decrease in pressure over long distances?

[vapid gorge]

yup

[random plume]

ah

[vapid gorge]

you could pretty easily add a second floor like this , 3 more rows

[random plume]

i c i thought pressure decreased over distance

[vapid gorge]

and probalby behind

[random plume]

where will i put the water extracters tho?

[vapid gorge]

you could OC the current ones, or have them around the sides

[random plume]

yeah i could basically oc like all of them and get double the power ig

[vapid gorge]

this seems valid for extractors?

building coal gens above the extractos is often very useful

[cedar tree]

How many oc coal gens can run on 1 oc extractor?

[vapid gorge]

same number as them non being OCed

don't count by machine, look at outputs and inputs

[random plume]

maybe if ill need more power i can put some extracters at the ylw area and make a second floor for the coal gens

rn im only consuming 1.3MW of power i have a decent margin rn

[vapid gorge]

each new machine you unlock consumes a LOT more power - it's why I have 64 in that first image

[random plume]

hmm i c ok i might work on more power then

[vapid gorge]

up to you. I wait until tier 7 for fuel power. But that's not critical

[random plume]

also do uk why that one extracter at the top left near ur circle isnt producing enough water?

cuz like my thing the last two gens on the right we fluctuating

idk if it was the water stabalizing or what but they would run out of water

[vapid gorge]

is the water extractor light flickering on and off?

[random plume]

no it was constantly on it wasnt until i oced it to 200 that it fixed itself

[vapid gorge]

you probably just needed to flood your system

in general with fluids it's a good idea to under clock 1 or 2 of the consumers a bit so that you overfeed fluids and flood it

[random plume]

ohhh smart

i usually just let it run a lil bit but this was taking longer than usual

also how much lee way do i have before i have to worry about headlift?

cuz idk when i should use a pump or not

[half geyser]

I just did exactly what you're doing, this was my solution for 40 coal generators, but if you want more, I recommend a maximum of 72 coal generators (four coal nodes * 270 per node limit (once you have T4 belts you should be using other energy sources anyway) is 72 coal generators), all I did was build vertically with water collectors at the bottom and coal generators above them. I built two layers of coal generators, with the upper layer generators built in between the smokestacks of the lower layer generators, though you could just build them above the top of the first layer generators' smokestacks if you don't want to deal with them.

[half geyser]

This is true, in my system I just didn't feed it coal for a little while so the water had a chance to flood first

[random plume]

oh my gawd

[half geyser]

you don't need to cover it all up in a giant featureless orange box

I just felt like doing that

that makes it look a lot larger than it actually is

20 water extractors and 40 goal generators is actually not too bad

[random plume]

i just dont know how ill manage the pipes but ig i ll have to find out lol

[half geyser]

anyway I usually did fine with only 24 but the last time I played (with the exception of my current world that I just started two days ago) was three years ago so maybe they may have rebalanced power requirements

[half geyser]

I did it super lazily

I just connected each extractor to two coal generators

That also lets you flood the system easily since that well overproduces before you underclock them to 75%

[fervent spire]

I did one 300 pipe to 6 coal generators and it's a bit of overkill but eh

[half geyser]

is 300 the limit on pipes right now?

[fervent spire]

Also built 48 so it was just 8 pipes

[random plume]

mk1 ones yes

[half geyser]

for t1 pipes

[fervent spire]

Well I made my coal plant back when I only had mk1 pipes

[half geyser]

cool, I have a hard time remembering fluid specifics 👍

I pretty much never max them out anyway

[half geyser]

Yeah, I figured

[random plume]

rn i only have mk1 pipes

dont have access to mk2 yet

[half geyser]

I was trying to decide between 300 and 360, 360 felt like it'd make more sense but I remember being frustrated with the ratio, so

[half geyser]

You won't for a while

get used to mk1

But again, like, 1 water extractor clocked to 75% works great for 2 coal generators 🤷 super simple but you'll need more total pipes and it does not work particularly well with manifolds

however! if you build it vertically like I did, you can hide the mess of pipes within the water collector layer

just be aware that you'll need to put a pump on the output of every single water collector (not a huge deal but could possibly be annoying) since they just barely don't reach high enough to get to the coal generators

[half geyser]

(basically, put a pipe floor hole (purchaseable in the AWESOME Shop) on the floor in front of every coal generator's fluid input, then do all the plumbing underneath it)

building horizontally will always be easier here, I did it this way to challenge myself, but it turned out to only be slightly harder while allowing me to be much less restricted by space, so if you're worried primarily about space, I gotta recommend this 👍

[random plume]

i c i might try vertically always good to learn something new

[half geyser]

gl!

[cinder berry]

Huh. It's been a week. Where SI debate?

[half geyser]

SI debate?

[random plume]

how am i meant to flip this? i cannot rotate it so that its mirrored

[meager kettle]

click one, then mouse wheel to rotate it

[random plume]

yeah i figured it out lol

ty anyway tho

[lament turret]

I kind of want to make a 0 waste factory. The idea being you put in an exact amount of ore and get an exact amount of output with nothing left in the machines.

[outer vale]

that just sounds like a normal factory

[stuck ingot]

Since you have an infinite amount of recources at an steady pace coming out of your miners that should be the goal to create a factory which perfectly uses all those resources without any backlogging/over-underproducing to create a specific amount of parts at the end.
There shouldn´t be any downtime on machines.

[unique cypress]

Good luck because it's gonna work with 1 specific input/output amount and integer multiples of it

Which are gonna get larger and larger the more complex the items get

[wind spade]

not necessarily all of it. Just that the machines don't stop. Underclocking miners is fine

[stuck ingot]

yeah of course i just meant exact amount in translates to all of it being used perfectly to create a specific output

[lament turret]

The difference would be you put in exactly 42 iron ore and get out exactly 1 modular frame.

[outer vale]

ah, so not so much a factory, just a build you run once then delete?

basically just amounts to designing a splitter that splits input items in the ratios needed, then after that you just direct feed each stage

[brazen copper]

Why am I losing battery?

I should be at 100% it’s not like I added a new battery

[outer vale]

because your consumption keeps going over your production?

[brazen copper]

Like for a couple seconds? It spends more time under

[distant coral]

Hey! does anyone has a 1 to 5 splitter? I have a 150/min Input and need 5x30/min Output.. Not for Buildings... i wanna fill up my MK4-Belts cause after the Raffiniers i have 5x450/min and 1x150/min and i wanna stack them full..

[vapid gorge]

use google , you'll find an image very fast.
but a manifold will also do the job

or clock your machines slightly differently

[distant coral]

i guess i can do it with smart splitter and overflow, right? cause i have 4 Raffineries with 37,5 Output.. i can merge them on the belts and merge the 4x Overflow from 7,5 together on the fith belt.. i guess ill do that

[left niche]

there is a trick for that

split one t0 six

but feed one output of the second splitter back into de feed.

one to 5

[oblique hollow]

Has it been at 100% before?

You have a very high max consumption so a lot of your factories are idling

[left niche]

way simpeler and works just as well

[unique cypress]

The thing is that it doesn't work the same

It's bottlenecked to 5/6 of belt speed

[left niche]

just use a faster input belt

between merger and first splitter

[unique cypress]

If you have one, sure

But it's still bottlenecked 5/6 of that belt

[left niche]

yes true

but if 5/6 exceeds your actual imput

now why all the bends??

[unique cypress]

I'm not a fan of balancers that "work if...". All of mine just "work"

[left niche]

well

[left niche]

i dont often use balancers in that way.

i just balance ALL the machine inputs instead of balancing belts first

[wind spade]

you can do a manifold

[brazen copper]

I don’t see how that bad? I wouldn’t like slow production

[oblique hollow]

High max consumption (blue line) but low power usage (orange line) to me means most of your factories arent actually working well

Or arent working at all

[brazen copper]

Mostly because my storage are full of stuff

[oblique hollow]

And if you take stuff out of them the factories all become active again for a moment

[brazen copper]

And put them where?

Into sinks?

[mortal thicket]

hey guys quick question on the manifold building... good approaches for auto-connect? creating the necessary dangling connectors is kind of a pain, is there a good strategy for it? or some build feature I'm unaware of? 'cuz like, currently to hook up two machines I am building two other machines on either side, doing connections, then deleting the machines but leaving belts hovering in air

[fervent spire]

You can do this, it's a belt compressor (wiki has a diagram of it), but it technically won't work exactly as you expect if the machines output in bursts. There are gaps in the input flow and so the mergers will not properly fill the belts as you want.
The solution to this is putting a buffer between the smart splitter and priority merger into the compressed belt.

If your numbers work out evenly like yours, where you can just do the splitter mentioned above to merge exact numbers to fill your belt, that is probably a better option.

But a buffered overflow compressor is technically the more robust option and will work for inputs of any rate. I'm using one for my iron ingot processing facility because each block of machines has a weird decimal output and also outputs in bursts.

[fervent spire]

I make blueprints in blocks and connect then together manually because it's way fewer. Like I have BPs of 10, 8, 6, 4 constructors and just put down as many of those as I need. If I need 20 constructors I'll put down 2 of the 10 block then I just need to manually connect 2 belts

Way easier than trying to auto connect 20 constructors imo

[distant coral]

ah yeah true xD

[tropic zephyr]

How does the dimensional storage work? Can I store a certain amount of each item, or is it just Bluetooth enabled like a regular storage unit?

[fervent spire]

It holds 200 and upload capacity and speed is based on the research level. You still want to connect it to a storage container for an extra buffer

[random plume]

its like an enderchest basically lol

[dusky dust]

The cloud storage starts out capable of holding 1 stack of any/every solid resource in the game. An individual Depot uploader will be able to add to that cloud storage at 15/min. Through MAM upgrades, you can have the cloud storage go up to 5 stacks (again, of any/every solid resource in the game), with the uploaders going at 240/min

You can have more than one Depot uploading the same resource -- most Depot-using folks will end up having a bunch of Concrete uploaders, for instance, since it's so easy to burn through it so quickly

Four fully-upgraded Depots would give you 960/min replenishment total, for instance

But there'll never be more than five stacks of any given item in there (and just 1 at first, without upgrades)

So yeah, generally you'll have a storage container (Industrial or otherwise) in front of a Dimensional Depot, so that the material can fill up and replenish the depot as quickly as possible, when you take things out of the cloud storage

[half geyser]

depots themselves do not actually store anything, to be clear

they only upload

[fervent spire]

They technically have 200 input buffer

Er, one stack I think

[half geyser]

one stack, yes

but that's a buffer and it can only be consumed at the same rate as your upload speed

[tight karma]

how would one approach this? like on the iron side, if i were to just manifold all of it it'd take years to fill up, but I can't perfectly load balance it either?

[outer vale]

prefill the manifold

and/or clock bits down or pause (once full) to let other machines get more input

[wind spade]

if i were to just manifold all of it it'd take years to fill up
manifolds rarely take more than a few minutes to fill up

[tight karma]

you sure about that?

[wind spade]

yes. Manifolds that take over 30 minutes are pretty rare

and as said, you can prefill

[tight karma]

hmmmm, its beeen likee 30 miins at least and my motor factory (whiich is as small as can possibly be) is still balancing itself

[hoary marsh]

how do i fix my power farm
the power plants at the front suck up all the oil while the ones at the back suffer

[fervent spire]

What I do is build from the start and turn on each line of production as I build the next, so it has time to fill up

[tight karma]

fill the pipes fully before turning them on

[hoary marsh]

ok

[wind spade]

also possible you have math error 🙂

[mint coral]

many things could be going wrong. I suggest making a post in #1038092680493801533 with many photos and all your math

[hoary marsh]

ok

[fervent spire]

So build the smelters, hook them up, let them fill while I build the constructors, etc
Also do you have it going into a sink or a storage unit? It won't start filling the manifold until the very end hits a backup

[mint coral]

we want to help. this is a poor forum for trouble shooting is all ❤️

[tight karma]

storage, but the way its built it first had to fill up rotors everywhere it had to store rotors, then the parts for rotors, theen the parts for the parts to make rotors, and now its finally ramping up stuff for stators,

so thats why i asked if theres a better way xD

[fervent spire]

Yeah just let them build as you go instead of starting it all at once. Haven't had to wait very long that way in any of my factories

Or just power on one stage at a time, let it fill until all machines idle, power on next stage, repeat

But easier to do that while building so you're not sitting around waiting

[hoary marsh]

well all i see is that i make a bunch of fuel more than i need currently i wanna add more plants but it just doesnt work out right now due to some of the power plants sucking up all the fuel

i am using turbo fuel

[fervent spire]

I think technically powering it up by stages is faster than all at once even if you have the whole thing built

[brazen copper]

This is good yes?

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[mint coral]

if it works and you got them happy chemicals going in your brain, its perfect

[brazen copper]

I don’t think I can copy this as it is and place it somewhere else? I need to rebuild it fully right?

[brazen copper]

As I didn’t put it on a blueprint designer

[mint coral]

correct,

[brazen copper]

[hoary marsh]

jokes on me

there was no conveyors on half of the refinerys

lmao

[half geyser]

are you sure it's actually making progress then?

[half geyser]

#screenshots message YES!

it is COMPLETELY FINE!!!!! and will not cause any headaches!!

uh

with the way you've done it, though, be wary of exceeding the max transfer speed of your belts

if you have three smelters hooked up to three constructors directly without anything connecting those smelter outputs together, you're fine

but, for example, if you have them all merge into one belt and then split back into three belts again, this will not work because that one merged belt cannot move items fast enough

it'll need to be a T2 belt, not a T1 belt

(assuming your smelters are running at 30 items per minute)

[brazen copper]

I have a slight error

I have too much from the outside source even the train station full. I built a sink

[tight karma]

mhm, ii think so

it has made motors

[half geyser]

I mean, is it making progress toward filling up its manifold(s)?

If your input is lower than what it needs to be, the stuff at the start of your manifold will fill up but the stuff at the end of it won't, so it'll make some progress but eventually stop halfway

[half geyser]

which would make it look like it's filling up when it's actually stuck

[tropic zephyr]

Not exactly, the Ender Chest has a certain volume, but this doesn't. From what I understand, you can put one stack of each item in it, and that's unless you research and upgrade them.

[tropic zephyr]

ohhh shitt this idea is very very meaningful

I'll definitely use this while exploring; it makes perfect sense.

[random plume]

Yeah but the base is kinda same, u get universal storage

Yes u can upgrade them

[tropic zephyr]

yeah its true

[random plume]

And yes they can refill

And that’s different from ender chests but that was kinda what I was implying

[tropic zephyr]

Yes, yes, I understood what you said, I just wanted to point out the difference.

[teal tiger]

any ideas how i could signal this intersection?

[winged knot]

u should firstly build tracks on one height

[vapid gorge]

yeah that looks like it's going to cause issues

[tropic zephyr]

I don't understand how to use trains, trucks, or any means of transportation in general. How am I supposed to calculate how much goods will be delivered to my factory? The truck slows down and speeds up on the road; I can't calculate how much it will carry per minute. How do you do this?

[oblique hollow]

you dont usually calculate.
you try and if it doesnt transport as much as it should you add another truck / train

the paths for trucks allow you to just load another vehicle onto it.
and trains are trains. you just assign another train with the same schedule

[vapid gorge]

and with trains you can make it a bit easier on yourself by moving 1 belt per platform. Most routes will probably sustain that, and if it doesn't , add another train to the route

[tropic zephyr]

Hmm, this must be mentally exhausting.

[oblique hollow]

the math is more exhausting

also this is why nobody goes crazy in scale with trucks unless they have a feeling for them

[vapid gorge]

how so? you see it back up at the station, you build another truck

[tropic zephyr]

Yes, nobody bothers with trucks anymore, but everyone uses trains, what's the difference?

[teal tiger]

okay fixed it thanks

[oblique hollow]

people hate recording paths for trucks or their physics bugging out

1.2 adresses that at least

[tropic zephyr]

Building conveyor belts should be much easier; you wouldn't have to worry about fuel or math, and conveyor belts are quite inexpensive.

[vapid gorge]

so build belts

with BPs and autoconnect it's stupid easy to use the most boring transport system

[tropic zephyr]

I already do that, but I don't understand the train usage rate. Why would people use something so difficult? It must have some benefit I don't understand.

[oblique hollow]

it can go both ways

[vapid gorge]

because it's not difficult

[vapid gorge]

and you can resuse the tracks for many other trains

and run important logistics under train trakcs

[oblique hollow]

belts go one way.
trucks are expandable and can move stuff both ways.
Also it just looks cooler

[teal tiger]

so who can explains to me why my train is showing signalling problem

[outer vale]

depends, who can tell us what the signalling problem message is?

[teal tiger]

nvm the error changed to

[tropic zephyr]

Actually, thinking about it, I'll just adjust the route and it will bring all my resources to me from a very long distance; the transport rate doesn't matter anyway, whatever my highest level transport bandwidth is, that's all I can get.

Only fuel will be a problem

[oblique hollow]

just use coal

[tropic zephyr]

Are the trains electric or fuel-powered?

[outer vale]

transport bandwith can be increased by adding more of the vehicle in question, generally

[oblique hollow]

electric

[tropic zephyr]

oh thats nice

It makes sense now, and the easier handling system that comes with version 1.2 is appealing to me.

[vapid gorge]

for 'very long trips' and using coal they'd almost certainly need to have refueling points

[tropic zephyr]

And now that I think about it, I could build highways with foundations from above and easily overcome the bumps in the road. Damn it, why do these ideas always come to me later?

[leaden depot]

Wait, so with new recipe cost modifier, if you put cost < 1, can you do infinite packager loops for free fuel?

[oblique hollow]

i doubt that.
but why dont you give it a try

[outer vale]

while you're there see if you can get infinite ore from converters lol

ah, though you'd be limited on SAM still

[leaden depot]

Converters at least have Sam limiting it

[oblique hollow]

infinite dark matter from quantum encoding

oh and i guess aluminum production is now always a free water source

[outer vale]

I'm sure that won't come back to bite anyone

[leaden depot]

Cranking the multiplier up is weird though. Optimizing for shorter chains is super important at 2x recipe cost

[oblique hollow]

lets just use wet concr-
all ingredients nerfed
...

[leaden depot]

Cast screws is 2x more efficient than default now

[vapid gorge]

well you were complaining about 'more work than belts' before, definitely the way to avoid that is using natural terrain, otherwise it's a ton more work

part of using vehicles is planning locations and pathing that suit their use

[tropic zephyr]

You're right, but while adjusting the paths of cars is challenging due to bumps, filming a perfectly straight road from above isn't so difficult. i think

Hey guys, I'm going to log into the game now and start exploring for hard drives. Do you have any suggestions?

[atomic mango]

trains can be a pain to deal with, any turns or inclines/declines are far more gradual than what you could get with any other transportation system, but it's easy to power and doesn't generate a ton of lag like having crossmap conveyor belts would

[tropic zephyr]

Yes, I hadn't thought of that. If I tape everything off, my game will probably lag, right?

I apologize, the translation was rendered as "taping".

I mentioned the conveyor belt.

[vapid gorge]

use your scanner and look for crashed pods in the distance?

[tropic zephyr]

I already do that, but sometimes it's very difficult.

[atomic mango]

mhm, there's generally more strain on your pc when you use conveyor belts over long distances

[ionic sapphire]

multiple ore nodes being grouped and showing up with a "TEMP" tag on the map is a bug right ?
or at least a not implemented feature ?

[tropic zephyr]

hmm okay thanks for that information i forget it

[atomic mango]

temp are the little outcroppings on top of nodes you mine by hand

[ionic sapphire]

so as soon as those are gone, the output should read normally ?

[atomic mango]

as far as i'm aware, yeah. i've been playing on one save for 95% of my time in the game, so it's been a while since i've come across an untouched resource node, but i'm confident that all the temp nodes are is the bits on top of permanent nodes

[cedar folio]

SCIM on a 2nd screen?

[tropic zephyr]

But isn't this considered cheating?

[cedar folio]

Having a map of the game open is probably not cheating to most.

[tropic zephyr]

its my firstplaythrough

[vapid gorge]

then use the tech you have, object scanner, radar towers ect

[half geyser]

Depends on how you want to experience the game, really, since it's an offline singleplayer game with a fixed map, I wouldn't consider it "cheating", I would think of it more like "spoiling" the experience (like watching a TV show while looking up everything that's going to happen)

[tropic zephyr]

So I'm not playing this game as an exploration game; I just want to build factories, and I want my factories to be efficient.

[ionic sapphire]

and how much time do you want to invest to get there

using the map just saves time

[vapid gorge]

so cheat if yo uwant

[leaden depot]

Is diluted fuel worse than default at 2x recipe cost?

[vapid gorge]

huh?

[teal tiger]

why does the signal say its looping into itself?

[outer vale]

experimental game mode settings

[vapid gorge]

yeah I saw that, but the question doesn't make sense
the base fuel recipe would also be 'worse' with that setting

[outer vale]

guess it'd nuke diluted packaged fuel since it'd no longer be a nice 1:1:1 loop

[vapid gorge]

I seem to recall someone mentioning the multiplier didn't affect packaging

because that would be stupid

[leaden depot]

The hor cost double crude

[vapid gorge]

I mean it's half as good
but the other recipes would also be half as good

do tiny bit of math if you like

should only take you like a minute

[leaden depot]

The double cost compounds the more stages in production though. I think diluted comes out ahead, but barely, and with huge water cost

[outer vale]

finally, cast screw is actually an upgrade from base screw

[leaden depot]

But solid steel is a loser.

It’s like anti-sloops on everything. I don’t think I will touch that setting. It hurts too much

[outer vale]

if you opt into a game mode that doubles recipe requirements you can't be surprised when recipes take twice as much input

well my last message now looks silly with the context deleted

[west crow]

i got enough fuel gens at 120m^3/min and its produceing 160m^3/min and only outputing 80
the math aint mathing, anyone know why it aint working?

[vapid gorge]

use photomode for proper overhead images

and get rid of your buffers

[west crow]

finding out this was a thing is a god damn lifesaver

[vapid gorge]

ok are your fuel producers getting clogged and stuttering?

this is trouble shooting 101 - follow the problem back

if your B isn't getting enough stuff, is A sending the stuff starving or clogged

[west crow]

nope, just the generators

[vapid gorge]

ok so if your generators are starving but your producers aren't clogged that means you aren't making enough

[west crow]

the flow rate is going up and down near there tho

and theres more then enough fuel in the pipes too

[vapid gorge]

ok but logically, if your fuel producers aren't getting clogged, but your fuel gens aren't getting enough fuel, you have a math problem

if there was a FLOW problem and you did make enough, your fuel producers woudl clog

now you could be mistaken and didn't look at the lights on top of the refineries close enough?

[west crow]

dont need to look at the lights for that

[vapid gorge]

this doesn't tell you if your fuel producers are stuttering or not

[primal pivot]

your pipe is not straight enough

[west crow]

ok... you were right on the fuel front, the thing is studdering

[vapid gorge]

so the refineries ARE stuttering? are their inputs starved or are their outputs clogged?

[west crow]

starved, i just havent seen it change color till now

[vapid gorge]

ok so they are starved of oil?

[west crow]

slugs to the rescue

[primal pivot]

if you take out the curved pipe and remake it going directly up it will fix it

[vapid gorge]

well first check if yo uclocked your extractor right

[vapid gorge]

pipe layout isn't a huge issue at this low a flow

[primal pivot]

it happened to me

[west crow]

i blame the way of flow

[vapid gorge]

and if yo uwere reading the conversation you'd see they have found a problem not related to pipe layout

[vapid gorge]

ok but this is a different issue, according to what they are describing

[west crow]

it was stupidity

[vapid gorge]

clocked the extractor wrong?

[primal pivot]

idk skill issue

[west crow]

ooh, i forgot to connect all the oil extractors

[primal pivot]

mine works fine after fixing the pipe

[west crow]

i think that'll do it

[vapid gorge]

that would do it yes 🙂

[primal pivot]

yep that would stop production

[west crow]

main reason i dont wana be paid to be smart

to much stress if ya fuck up

[vapid gorge]

just follow the troubleshooting method, follow the problem back

step B is starved? check step A, is it clogged or starved? go from tehre

[primal pivot]

be careful with the pipe divider things too they can sometimes not connect properly

[west crow]

fair enough, found talking with people helps alot too, even if its just bouncing back

[vapid gorge]

oh sure, trouble shooting is definitely a skill lin this game you develop

[west crow]

it just dont work with code

[primal pivot]

reddit gonna be your friend with this game gonna be so for real

[vapid gorge]

reddit is a CESSPOOL for any pipe info, ignore it completely

[primal pivot]

nah I found success

[west crow]

it cant be any worse then the buildcraft spaghetti

[vapid gorge]

theres lots of unreliable ways to do pipes - reddit is a great source of unreliable methods

and missinformation
like 'water towers fixing everything'

[primal pivot]

idk I found pretty good building methods but maybe you just are looking at the wrong area of reddit

[west crow]

we need more power flowers

just a few more, trust me

[vapid gorge]

power flowers?

mario?

[west crow]

never played tekkit classic have you?

[vapid gorge]

soz 🙂

[primal pivot]

happy you found your solution later

[orchid lion]

anyone here?

[regal hill]

Hey I'm working on a massive train station with a bunch of weaving intersections and I was hoping to get some advice. It's my first time working with trains. I actually managed to get it all working, but I'm trying to make it a bit more efficient because it was slow and unoptimized

I can't fit the whole rail system in but it repeats this pattern 5 times on either side. I wanted to use two rails for each direction, so that trains could path onto the inner rail if they needed a quicker route. Basically a highway. But the trains aren't utilizing the additional route and instead stick on the inner route. I was wondering if there was any way to encourage the auto-drive to use the inner rails.

[vapid gorge]

no trains will always take the shorter path

there are ways to create a pseudo by pass, in that a train coming one direction will take the side path, but it will ALWAYS take that sidepath

[regal hill]

Ah that sucks. I suppose my rail highway will be mostly for show

[vapid gorge]

I would also avoid things like this for the most part.
If you're not careful with how you do it it's not hard to create sections that can deadlock depending where the trains are going

[vapid gorge]

but tbh, basically no one makes a train system with SO MANY trains you need a double lane for the traffic

[regal hill]

Yeah, I just figured it'd be nice since I'm probably going to route all my trains through this station at some point. Then, if they didn't need to stop, they could just go through without contributing to traffic

[vapid gorge]

well another thing is that typically you'll often only want 1 train per station, so optimally, you won't have any trains waiting to enter a station

if you do need multiple trains doing the same route you probably want to have them 'wait until full' on the load area so they don't interact much

or at worst you have a little waiting space in front of the load station, rather than the unload area

you'll also find you can save a lot of space having station in parallel rather than series

if you find that useful to you.

not everyone cares about the space usage

[regal hill]

Oh well, I should be able to figure out how to make this work then, I was just hoping I could make use of that inner lane

[vapid gorge]

make a road for trucks? logistic core for pipes/belts? Pillars to hold up the factory above?

[regal hill]

Yeah I did consider that, unfortunately, I have already devoted a week of my life to this build and the space it's in is where it's going so 😅😅

[regal hill]

Not bad ideas but I'm not sure how I would connect them out of here. This is all about 40m up. It's the second floor of a mega storage system. I figured I'd route all my resources from other factories here.

[vapid gorge]

you could also pretty quickly just remove one side of the stations and rebuild it next to the others? using the doubled lane as 2 ways

wouldn't take you long

[regal hill]

You mean run all the stations on one half, and the rails on the other?

[vapid gorge]

sorry not sure what you mean by that, but basically this

so you essentially get rid of 1 of the double lanes and just run everything off the single set of double lanes

[regal hill]

Oh I see. Yeah I could. Idk I don't mind a bit of misused space because I do like how the four lanes look. It's just a bit unfortunate that they would just be there for show.

[vapid gorge]

oh sure, I can't tell you what aesthetics work best for you 🙂

but it would solve the empty space issue 😄

[sudden otter]

sorry to intrude on this conversation. is this a good place to ask a question relating to maths of a manifold system?

[regal hill]

Yeah. I was just hoping there'd be some way to utilize the whole system. But even if that inner lane can't be used, I still think what i have built will work for what I need. Thank you!

[vapid gorge]

sure

[sudden otter]

Hoping to get some help with math on a coal power plant. I have about 30 hours in the game and the last 10 have been trying to figure out why my manifold is not working.

• I have a pure coal mining node operating at 87.5% efficiency, 105 coal/min
• I have 7 coal generators at 100% efficiency, utilizing 15 coal/min
• I have 3 water extractors running at about 87.5% efficiency, plenty of water so no issues there
• All conveyer belts and vertical lifts from start to finish are mk. 3

My problem is, even when I pre-stage the coal generators by filling them with a stack of coal and ensuring water is full, eventually the last 4 generators run out of coal. What seems to be happening is the conveyer belts are backing up such that it becomes limited to 60 coal/min being delivered. Why is this happening?

[vapid gorge]

no stress, are yo uaware you need to buffer both the loading and unloading platforms on stations/

[regal hill]

Buffer?

[vapid gorge]

trains lock out loading and unloading when docked - so yo ucan never move 2 belts per platform. You often can't move more than 1 belt per platform, so you need buffers to help make up the time

[vapid gorge]

you likely have a piece of mk1 belt clogging up your flow

[sudden otter]

I checked everything and it's all showing mk. 3. Might it be worth rebuilding it all to double check?

[regal hill]

Are you saying I need storage containers to store items being loaded/unloaded from train stations? Basically buffering the items?

[vapid gorge]

basically! one sec

[vapid gorge]

old sketch I made to help someone ages ago https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1360779221282062357/IMG_8799.png?ex=69bb4868&is=69b9f6e8&hm=f03f294ceb522c04eeaee039eb5c930ad4294836946eef5fdf5afee59709fe5b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=990&height=1320

isc is a double container, P for platform

[regal hill]

I like to set a dismantle filter for what I'm looking for and run it through the system. So it'll catch whatever I'm looking for. Might be worth a try?

The math on that sounds right

[regal hill]

Oh yeah I figured I'd have industrial item buffers. I'm hoping that I can run two conveyors out of the platforms I need it on. I have a plan for that. But either way I plan on using storage containers just in case

[vapid gorge]

even with a buffer you can never move 2 full belts per platform

every time a station docks it stops movement of items for 27 seconds

you can never catch that up. And often times you won't be able to move more than 1 belt. Sometimes less depending on item type and return trip time

[regal hill]

Ohhhh I see. So don't count on a consistent 2x(conveyor-level) output from train platforms. Good to know. I don't believe that will interfere with anything but I'm glad to know that before I start messing with nuclear

[vapid gorge]

yup, and the more trains you have stopping at a station the less throughput each platform can manage

because you keep adding 27 sec lock outs

which is why often most people just have 1 train going A to B

[sudden otter]

dear god I feel like an idiot. I've checked probably 5 times for it and missed a singular mk. 1 track hidden. it took me rebuilding the whole thing to find it. thank you!!

[vapid gorge]

most common issue 🙂 trouble shooting is a skill in this game. Typically follow the problem backwards

in this instance you would have gone to your miner to see what it was doing

and in this case you would have seen that it's output was clogged , which meant you had a flow issue

likely a low mk belt

[sudden otter]

that's my problem, I work in IT. I troubleshoot systems for a living and couldn't find this one. I was convinced my game was bugged 🤣

[regal hill]

Alright good to know. Thanks this has been helpful

[vapid gorge]

thats fair xD you get used to the logic, generally it's just follow the problem backwards and diagnose with some logic .

practice makes it easier and faster 🙂

[sudden otter]

absolutely. appreciate you taking the time 🙂

[vapid gorge]

any time 😉

[wraith ore]

One thing I learnt managing fluids transport is to split the input to the train station into 2 buffers with each connected to the inlet to the station. The idea is that when the train is loading the fluid, each tank will have buildup at half the fill rate but once the flow is back each tank has higher drain rate than fill rate so the buffer from the transfer period can be filled in the station again. I realised this is easier with belts because we already have industrial container with double outputs

[vapid gorge]

you can do it with 1 buffer too #design-and-architecture message

or #design-and-architecture message

[trail osprey]

if you want to fill a manifold you need to fill the belts and the machines otherwise the last few machines will not get what they need
Think of it like this if the manifold divides the throughput by 2 each splitter then after 6 splits the throughput is 105/64 so your last coal generator is only getting that much
if the belts are filled then 105 ore is emptied off the belts at the same time 105 ore joins the belt every minute

[vapid gorge]

this is not accurate - as long as the belt has enough throughput and there's at least enough parts per min for the system to work all machines will ramp up to 100%
the last 2 machines will simply not ever be full
which is fine, they'll get what they need to work at 100%

[trail osprey]

my method requires less maintenence

its worked every time i've built factories just fine

[vapid gorge]

this method doesn't need any maintanence. So not sure how you can have less than zero maintenance

and nowhere did I say you couldn't flood your system and have it work?

[trail osprey]

well it's worked for me

[trail osprey]

never denied your method

[vapid gorge]

jsut saying it's not at all needed

[trail osprey]

btw

[vapid gorge]

the only system where you sometimes need to wiggle a manifold about is when you're doing diluted packaged fuel and you're relying on the incoming empty containers

if you don't do 1:1:1 loops you generally need a container buffer before the manifold to keep the system flooded

since it relies on a secondary step in it's own process

[leaden depot]

Would it work to mix my fuel rod inputs to my nuclear power plants? Lets say I have exactly the number of plants I need for all 3 fuel types. All overclocked and watered. Can I just send all the fuel rods on one belt (load balanced), and let any plant burn any rod? Is there downtime when switching fuel rods? Assuming I sort all the waste.

I guess that's easy enough to test in creative mode.

[oblique hollow]

Could work but is it really worth it

[fervent spire]

Wouldn't there be some potential weird backup issues because the input buffer of the plants can't store different types of items?
Let's say the first plant in the system receives a uranium rod and then like 5 plutonium rods, those rods would sit on the belt waiting for the uranium rod to burn. If the splitter just happens to keep sending plutonium or ficsonium rods down to that reactor while it's still waiting to burn the uranium, and it backs up to the main belt, etc. I think it may cause issues due to the different burn time of the 3 rods

It's probably gonna be super rare but like what if the rod distribution just makes it so that plutonium ends up in 70% of the reactors, then they're taking longer to burn so the belts back up a bit to wait

[leaden depot]

yeah, I'm kinda hoping it will burn through its last uranium, then load a plutonium immediately. But I'm betting theres gonna be glitches if I count on that. Not to mention uneven belt backups depending on luck and belt lentgth

[fervent spire]

Idk if I'm explaining it right. Like you have enough reactors to eat 70% uranium 20% plutonium 10% ficsonium. What if the splitting of this sushi belt of rods just happens to send plutonium into 70% of the reactors, sure you'll have the same power but all the uranium rods are gonna be backing up on the belts waiting for the plutonium to burn

Imo just have the one belt but smart splitter it off so specific reactors get each rod type

[fervent spire]

It should load immediately but yeah it's the uneven backups that I'd be worried about

[meager kettle]

might work if you just store waste

but doing that gonna mean uneven waste processing

[lethal kettle]

has anyone ever made the math for whats the perfect use of all ressurces in the game to get every item at a good rate?

[meager kettle]

someone probably has

[leaden depot]

its certainly a lot more now with the various randomizer options. All pure is absurd

But yes: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink/Theoretical_maximum_of_points

[cedar folio]

All pure with the advanced heavy would probably be quite absurd depending on how many SAM nodes you got.

[lethal kettle]

i saw that one but i wasnt thinking about points but did someone do the math for using up all ressurces in the game to get all iteams in a good amount.
were you really get all iteams even iron plates or screws as well as the hard stuff

[meager kettle]

one seed i got had 41 sam nodes :p all pure

[leaden depot]

I have no idea what you are asking for. Satisfactory-tools can maximize a single item based on availible resources. But your criteria seems a little vague

[lethal kettle]

yea np in that case il do it myself but is there a way to use up all the uranium on the map in the most efficent way to maximize power output without waste bc im trying but there just isnt enugh sam on the map for all the fixonium i need

[leaden depot]

yeah, its like 50.4 uranium rods, and everything else flows from that

[lethal kettle]

but how after that i make plutonium out of it but then when i come to fixonium i dont have enugh sam

[leaden depot]

according to this: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=UA0VqWUSLNCbmx1pPbhh you can get ~95.6 ficsonium rods using all of the sam and oil on the map (can save some oil by using coal).

that I think comes out to ~43 uranium rods