math-and-meta

[teal tiger]

is that even possible without guaranteed collission? like i dont see how to manage those crossings

[limpid vapor]

Sure it's possible, you need signals here anyway

[teal tiger]

yea but will the signal recognize the crossing?

like i just overlapped the rails, so as if 2 independed networks cross eachother, does that get detected by the system?

[limpid vapor]

The whole thing can be one giant intersection, use a path signal before the first turn into the stations, and at the exit of every station, and at the entrance to every station use a block signal

Path "blocks" are exactly for this

Trains start moving as soon as there is room

[teal tiger]

puhh wouldnt that mean in the whole intersection only 1 could enter or exit at the same time, that would create a mess in a 24 stations train hub no?

idk if i can tank that much waiting time

[limpid vapor]

Not necessarily, it depends on how these are set up, dont know what your trains are carrying, what the system is for

[teal tiger]

its for my megafactory so basically carrying every ore

could you give me a example where to set the path signal so i can follow u better? cuz i dont see any other option rn

or path signals work different than i think

[limpid vapor]

Key points:
*have you planned out how much they need to carry?

*Are they each carrying a single type of product?

*will whatever supply they bring be enough to last the trip time with some time to spare?

[teal tiger]

yes x3

obv i didnt calculate the throughput perfectly yet since i dont even have the route build yet so no clue how long the travel times gonna be but dont think that matters alot for the crossing problem rn

[limpid vapor]

If they are set to leave only when full/empty, and you have time to spare, waiting shouldn't be an issue, I have something similar for my aluminum factory, except they enter on one side and exit the other

OK, personally I would advise going the other way around, rather than having to fix it later

[teal tiger]

but from what ive understood so far is that you're saying, the red line rail now, should become a whole intersection, and trains will be waiting at the crossmark until there is no train left on the red rails?

[limpid vapor]

The rail inbetween too

Basically all the rail

Full on waiting will happen with block signals

If you use path signals trains will start moving sooner

In my experience

[teal tiger]

okay and where would i place those path signals?

[limpid vapor]

One before your first split before the first batch of stations

Then one for every exit out of every station

For every entrance into a station you use a block signal

Basically, every entrance to a station is an exit off the intersection, and every exit to a station is an entrance back into the intersection

Does that make sense?

[teal tiger]

gotta try it out lol

i mean its color coded anyway il figure it out

[limpid vapor]

Most of it should be the same color

I am assuming the lines you didn't finish on the diagram also turn back onto the outer rail

But yeah, if I were you, I would make them all enter on one side and exit the other

Much better traffic wise

#screenshots message

I build mine with a lot of time to spare

These are all 8 cars and carry 600-1800 resources per minute

No issues with traffic whatsoever

Like 17 stations to import stuff, I could triple that and still be fine

[teal tiger]

damn i also wanted to do a 8 car variant but so many people told me to just go for a 4-car

[limpid vapor]

There's safety in excess

My setup is basically this, but with more stations https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1480941971219677194/1480944993903444120/satisfactory-train-intersection-signals.png?ex=69b62241&is=69b4d0c1&hm=6b75bb679e6d329efed00f3ac4390349de0f1c83771f8d65bf921e6e8e8a4531&

[teal tiger]

what direction is the left rail?

not quite figuring out how u can have 2 inner curves

[limpid vapor]

This is right handed traffic

[teal tiger]

oh nvm got it yea

[limpid vapor]

This diagram has exits and entries from both sides of the main rail, you can ofc omit the ones you don't need

The same principle applies to your own setup with signaling, if you want to keep it

One big intersection with stations carved out

[teal tiger]

yea i think i will keep it just cuz im too lazy to rebuild it lmao

[limpid vapor]

Sure

[teal tiger]

except ur rly telling me theres a giant difference in traffic with those setups

but i dont see such a giant difference setup wise from our designs

[limpid vapor]

It depends on your thoughput needs, in your setup exiting trains will interrupt entering trains

Whereas in mine, they just queue

[teal tiger]

cuz of the crossings right?

[limpid vapor]

Yes

Well the interruptions go both ways

It might be a smaller issue than I think

But again it probably depends on expected throughput a bit

I think it might affect at least some

If they have a lot of time to spare it probably makes little difference

[teal tiger]

i mean i could also do this obv

but like yea idk how big the issue rly is

[limpid vapor]

Yes that's basically the same as my setup, just laid out a bit differently

I think it's better

Certainly cleaner

I am hitting the bed, if you're wrestling with signals later still, you can post a thread in #1038092680493801533 and people will come to your rescue, you can also give me a ping

Signaling is fun

[teal tiger]

thank you so much!

[limpid vapor]

[teal tiger]

anyone got smth to add before i demolish my whole trainhub?

[limpid vapor]

I think that one is alright, yeah

[scarlet sky]

Maybe there's someone hanging out in here that's run into this? I have this priority merger here that seemingly randomly accepts a small number of items from a low priority input, even if the high priority input is saturated...

Maybe some of the folks playing with logic circuits have seen this I hope

[near smelt]

which plastic recipe produces the most plastic per unit of oil?

[meager kettle]

heavy oil residue + diluted fuel + recycled rubber + recycled plastic

[near smelt]

yeah... i figured. i just hate that production line. but it beats shipping another 300 oil per minute from halfway across the map to get the extra plastic i need

especially since the online tool said basically the same thing 😅

[meager kettle]

recycled you can do 600 oil to 1600 plastic i think

or a mix of plastic and rubber

yea 1600 plastic + 400 fuel left

so you could do 200 of that plastic to rubber then 200 of that rubber back to plastic for 1800 plastic + 200 rubber

or make 1200 plastic and 800 rubber

[unique cypress]

600 oil can be 1800 plastic, or 1800 rubber, or any amount of plastic and rubber that adds up to 1800

[meager kettle]

sounds about right. dont do headmath when you just woken up

[noble jay]

Got bored at work yesterday

[vapid gorge]

ok I'm getting into the game and going to make a mock section of your plan to help explain, 1 min 🙂

[fluid grove]

Ok!

im getting confused on splitting and whatnot

[vapid gorge]

hvae you built the iron ingot part yet? or just trying to figure out the whole thing?

[fluid grove]

ye i got all that done

just splitting the 67.5 and 52.5

[vapid gorge]

ok show me an image of those if you can? photomode is P, you can take a pic from above

[fluid grove]

O1

where do i see this photo

[vapid gorge]

Perfect

so you're feedign 120 ore pm into this right?

[fluid grove]

yuh

wait

[vapid gorge]

but you split it into 2 at first right? so it's 60 and 60

[fluid grove]

now i am

nah its 120 being split into 4

[vapid gorge]

sure, and the first split is 60 60 right?

[fluid grove]

id assume so'

[vapid gorge]

so the first one is getting too much?

[fluid grove]

one goes to the next splitter and one goes into smelter

isnt that 60/60

[vapid gorge]

the first is 60 60

the second is 30 30 right? cause 60 is being split in 2

then it's 15 15

[fluid grove]

yuh

[vapid gorge]

but it works right?

[fluid grove]

oh i see how that can get bad

[vapid gorge]

why would it?

[fluid grove]

cause it goes from 60-30-15 and only will be efficient when it overflows, if i split the 120 into 2 lines of 60 then split those each smelter would get 30

if my math isnt wrong

so i gotta wait till it fills up

[vapid gorge]

but it'll be balanced when it over flows right?

[fluid grove]

ye but it would take awhile wouldnt it?

[vapid gorge]

a cuple minutes , but you could be doing anything else in that time

you could be building the next section

[fluid grove]

oh thats fine then

[vapid gorge]

the next step you were talking about

[fluid grove]

Yuh

i was thinking of overclocking one and underclocking one

but i dont have any slugs

[vapid gorge]

I mean if you want, but it's basically exactly the same as the other step

these 7 constructors represent the contructors for rods and plates

[fluid grove]

so instead of making 2 sections make it into one

[vapid gorge]

if you like 🙂 it's not hte only way to do it

[fluid grove]

holy shit ur einstein

[vapid gorge]

for example , if for some reason you needed your plates and rods made in 2 very different spots?

you could make 2 groups of smelters that make 52 and 67, and only merge those

[fluid grove]

thats what i did in my last but like i didnt think of it likes this

ye i dont got slugs for overclocked 🙁
'

[vapid gorge]

I mean making exactly what any process needs onto a belt with clocking is the bread and butter for managing this game 🙂

[vapid gorge]

underclocking doesn't take slugs

[fluid grove]

for the overclocking

to get 67.5

[vapid gorge]

you could have 3x smelters make 67.5 with no overclocking

[fluid grove]

i was thinking 2 for 67.5 2 for 52.5

wait

if i underclock one will that counter for the 52.5

[vapid gorge]

don't think about it that way

if you want to do 67.5 without over clocking
1x 100%
1x 100%
1x 25%

[fluid grove]

but then what about the last smelter

and the 52.5

[vapid gorge]

and the 52.5 group would be
1x100
1x75%

[fluid grove]

thats 5 smelters

[vapid gorge]

sure

[fluid grove]

do i just add a extra

[vapid gorge]

yup

[fluid grove]

but then one would be hungry for iron

[vapid gorge]

why?

they still use the same number of ore

[fluid grove]

cause the 120 goes to the other 4

and wont have enough left

[vapid gorge]

if you under clock a machine it takes less as well as makes less

[fluid grove]

wait

[vapid gorge]

4 machines is 400% total right?

you could make 400x constructors at 1% and it would work fine

[fluid grove]

holy shit so its one machine

https://tenor.com/view/genius-zeus-hoverers-zeus-genius-hover-einstein-gif-18134355799312387018

[vapid gorge]

I mean, it's one system

[fluid grove]

i get it i see it

basic math im so locked

[vapid gorge]

but yeah 400x constructors at 1% also works 😛

[fluid grove]

brb ima finna do that, but then if i can make exact numbers should i sperate constructers?

[vapid gorge]

if it makes a difference to your design

purely personal choice at this point

[fluid grove]

ima just make a gap to isolate them

wait then after the furnace i put it all into one merger to then split?

[vapid gorge]

sure 🙂

[fluid grove]

Ok

@vapid gorge HOORAY

wait theres a pond right next to the output, time to make my factory and funky shape

ill get bac to it later gartic phone takin priorities

ty for the help tho!!! i understand it better now since ill have to do more of that in later sections

[vapid gorge]

of course, it's basic methods for the game 🙂

[ivory sparrow]

for anyone wondering what a 11x14 Balancer looks like. this is my version of it. basically 11 1x14 Splitters stacked on top and then the outputs are combined vertically. 3/10 wouldnt recommend xD

[torn plaza]

-# bloody hell

[unique cypress]

fyi, unless the outputs are merged with 14 11:1 balancers, it's not a full balancer
if you manifold merge, it's only output balanced

[tropic zephyr]

When I want to craft an item, I find new ore for it. Do you think this is logical, or would it be more sensible to fully upgrade a miner with power items and use the ore to build a manifold system?

[frosty owl]

If you're worried about using shards on miners, I think you can ease that worry a lot as power is quite cheap (eg: double the output of a coal miner to double the power you can get from it)

[wind spade]

It's fine either way. I personally find maxing nodes pointless

[tropic zephyr]

i am a new player what is nodes? is it like a ore points or something like that?

is awesome grinder and the shop important?

[grand lotus]

quick question, do i have to keep upping the amount of cable/wire i need until the copper ore input hits 120, or is there another way to just make the copper input to 120 on satisfactory calc

[shadow grove]

just finished my limestone factory its very simple bc i heard from people limestone isn't used alot in recipes

sadly one of the things is impure

[wind spade]

You can use the maximise mode, but honestly I wouldn't recommend going from ores, rather make what you need insyead of tryng to max a node

[grand lotus]

ok

ty

[wind spade]

Well, make what you need now, not what you may need in the future

[shadow grove]

hmm thanks

[grand lotus]

how do i split the wire 36 and 72?normal makes 22.5 and the one at 80% make 18, so i cant find a way to get the 36 evenly

any tips?

[meager kettle]

clock them down to 18 and build a few more

[wind spade]

don't need to split if you never merge

make 36 on one side, 72 on other side

[grand lotus]

wdym?

i cant add the 80% and 1 100%

[wind spade]

have a group of machines making 36/min
have another group of machines making 72/min

[grand lotus]

ohhh

alr thanks

[meager kettle]

4 constructors at 80% make 72, 2 at 80% make 36, easy

[wind spade]

(other options include manifolding it or balancing it)

[shadow grove]

guys website are people using here the ones with gray background

[wind spade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/ probably

[mint coral]

This one is tools

#math-and-meta message

[shadow grove]

ok

[tropic zephyr]

how can i use this website i cant use

i cant understand "clock" what is that

[wind spade]

wdym by "can't use"?

clock speed is changing crafting speed of machines

[tropic zephyr]

i cant understand to use it

[tropic zephyr]

oww okay easy

[ionic sapphire]

you open a machine and move the slider

if there is no slider, unlock it in the mam

in the slug research tree

[tropic zephyr]

thank you i know the slider but i dont know the word "clock" means

[wind spade]

"clockspeed" is the name of that thing

[ionic sapphire]

a clock is a device that shows you the current time of day

[tropic zephyr]

i play turkish sorry

[tropic zephyr]

[ionic sapphire]

set your game to english
best way to learn

thats where i got most of my knowledge from

[tropic zephyr]

yea that makes sense

is awesome shop necessary?

[outer vale]

strictly, no, but it has some very nice QoL stuff, plus some decorative stuff

[meager kettle]

not necessary but has a lot of good stuff to help build

[shadow grove]

so having my pure coal node so far away from my steel factory is bad?

[mint coral]

not really. Just means you need to build infrastructure to get it from A to B

I like building where the resources are

[shadow grove]

ye me too for this i need iron and coal and well i want both pure and literally there is no coal near pure iron only impure i would be okay with normal too but no

and yes i could just grab the 4 impures but i don't waste my power

[mint coral]

once you get Coal generators (and then fuel) Power is not really a issue. this is noit a argument one way or another. Just a fact.

If you want to move coal move coal ^_^

The game is logistics, Layouts and factories. One choice is the ground work for later choices

[shadow grove]

hmm well i am not the god of power yet tho so i don't like to use to much power

"btw i said this politely"

[mint coral]

I didnt take it negatively.

It is hard to sus out emotion through discord though so i appreciate the plan statement.

I try to give people the benifit of the doubt and assume everyone is not being negative

[shadow grove]

okey

[brazen copper]

People who are good at maths. is this good or bad

[dusky dust]

Satisfactory as oscilloscope!

[wind spade]

capacity should be flat-ish

[tight karma]

appearantly one isnt allowed to build water extractors out at sea

[vapid gorge]

ok so just got the basic

[cyan lion]

was this a waste of time?

[random plume]

Now i m thinking of 8 coal generators on each side

building it on the water since i ve heard that u should keep pipes short

[vapid gorge]

your thing certainly doesn't hurt anything, but it doesn't help either

[vapid gorge]

ok if you want to do 8 coal gens you have to manage 360 water in a 300 pipe right?

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

some simple layouts that I still use after ... so many hours

example of how it works https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1481787687584141356/1481789384914370641/image.png?ex=69b691a7&is=69b54027&hm=0b75ce8c3f8330f87e9824957a9e269a7c1505ff8e9983c72f4875863b06aa81&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[random plume]

yeah but i can spread it out not connect 3 of them to one pipe segment

[vapid gorge]

sure just clock things differently

but if you specifically want groups of 8 this is very convenient

[random plume]

maybe i ll just use this

[vapid gorge]

my last starter coal power plant https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1437572960004083722/1437573943774150738/image.png?ex=69b68dd1&is=69b53c51&hm=5faa859ce2aa6af1dda4dbc87c25ea78297a817659c8e1222447679f112750cd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

uses a variation of the layouts I showed

[random plume]

im only doing 8 on each side because i found like 4 normal coal nodes all next to each other

[vapid gorge]

yup, you'll want to burn ALL that coal

[random plume]

how many coal power plants is that lol

[vapid gorge]

64

[random plume]

wtf

[vapid gorge]

gets you to tier 7 pretty easily

[vapid gorge]

only 8x8 groups 🙂

[random plume]

how is that "starter" bro i m only planning for 16

[vapid gorge]

4 coal nodes

[random plume]

are they pure?

[cyan lion]

You're so much more space efficient. There's another 16 lined up behind me in photo mode lmao

[vapid gorge]

each new machine you unlock uses WAY more power. You'll need it

[vapid gorge]

normal. because you can over clock the difference between pure and normal nodes is not much until tier 9

[cyan lion]

Where's the fourth? Is that one I need to blow up?

ah desert

[vapid gorge]

in that location? no
near the grassy fields? theres one tha tneeds bombs yes

[random plume]

maybe ill start up with 16 and then work my way up if i need it

because at that setup imma need mk3 conveyers

but i dont have that unlocked yet

[vapid gorge]

if you like 🙂

[random plume]

yeah and idk if i have the space lol

[vapid gorge]

you can start oil power earlier too but that involves more learning of pipes which.. isn't awful to put off for a while

[brazen copper]

This ain’t good chat.

[vapid gorge]

you easily have the space 🙂 build up 😛

[latent tide]

nope

[vapid gorge]

gotta manage my rats though, feel free to ping me if either of you need pipe help

[latent tide]

this is mine

[latent tide]

and this is the power setup im running atm

[brazen copper]

Cowl and water for me are in 2 different positions

[latent tide]

this is where they are for me

[brazen copper]

My factory is at the bottom

[latent tide]

ah

i have the long ranged cables for my power transport

my factory is where i am

[random plume]

yeah im at that same area

[random plume]

whats the next position?

[latent tide]

best medium-long distance quick transport
prove me wrong

[tropic zephyr]

how can it split to 30 90

[latent tide]

programmable splitters or some other kind of splitter

[tropic zephyr]

is there a programmable splitter in the game?

[latent tide]

yup, you get it from research at the MAM

[tight karma]

not like that no

[latent tide]

really?

[tropic zephyr]

what

[tight karma]

it doesnt let you select ratios, just items

[tropic zephyr]

yeah i know this

but not the one you said retro

[tight karma]

but split 120 into four, and merge three of them

30 90

[brazen copper]

Ok so blue is my water. Black is where my coal is. I could make a huge coal and water at the white. There like 5 coals depots

[tropic zephyr]

you can do that but this image will not work i think

[latent tide]

theres plenty of water at white, theres 2 coal veins there tho, but its supplying all 8 of my coal generators, with making extras

[brazen copper]

Right now I have 4 coal generators. 2 at my water pumps and 2 at my base and im still slowly draining my battery

[fervent spire]

there's 4 coal at white once you get nobelisk tech unlocked to blow up the rocks on the other two

and you could also be insane like me and belt over the other pure coal nodes from up top the cliff and way back down the valley there too

that lake is a fantastic place for a coal plant + a lot of steel processing

[latent tide]

oh yeah i did a belt from that one, all the way to my base before i decided to do tractors

[maiden bay]

at what point should i switch from drone transport to train transport?

[fervent spire]

I have 48 coal gens there + making stators + rotors + a few other things over there

[fervent spire]

they're useful for different things. large throughput, use trains, small throughput use drones

anything I make less than like 50/m of, I probably will use a drone for

[maiden bay]

when would you reccomend i switch to trains

[fervent spire]

....you don't, that's what I'm saying. use them both.

[maiden bay]

like can they transport 500 items a min

[fervent spire]

trains? absolutely. but you will probably still want drones to transport some finished products later

[maiden bay]

no i get that but i have a factory that takes in parts from all across the map and i really dont want to make a train that long

a part in every biome

[fervent spire]

depends on the part I guess then. if you're trying to send wire from one biome to the next, then 100% use a train, if you're sending heavy modular frames then drones are probably fine

[maiden bay]

can a single drone move 500 items a min?

ik their inv are only like 9 stacks

[fervent spire]

I doubt it, but I haven't really looked into drone throughput in that much detail yet

I think the landing animation is like 50 seconds though so if it's a 200+ stack item, maybe? anything lower than that it would be sketchier

(it doesn't disable the belt like trains do, but that does define like, the minimum trip time)

[maiden bay]

so do you think it would be able to transport 125 frames 125 encased beams and 500 pipes a min?

[fervent spire]

idk, set up a pair into a sink and look at the drone port throughput numbers, I think those are pretty accurate

[brazen copper]

How do I remove big rock

[maiden bay]

alr thx

[fervent spire]

if it has the "this looks breakable" pattern on it, then you use a nobelisk (researched in the MAM, sulfur chain)
if it doesn't have that pattern then you can't remove it

[tropic zephyr]

i cant draw it very well but i think you can understand it

[wind spade]

classic unnecesarily complicated way to do things 😄

[velvet yoke]

@outer prairie you can try this if you want but honestly it'd be easier for you later to just use manifolds instead

ignore the first splitter idk why i added that

[outer prairie]

Aight im gonna try, ty

[tulip fiber]

I got 2 pipes going to 2 segments of my factory one needs 486,34 oil/m second one needs 413,66 oil/m im feeding both pipes with 450 oil/m how to balance it that each pipe gets right amount of oil ?

[wind spade]

hook each pipe to the amount it can feed

[tulip fiber]

one has too little one has too much...

[wind spade]

so build too little on one side and too much on other side

[random plume]

wait are u using programmable splitters how can u split 90 and 30 from 120

[wind spade]

if you have 486.34 oil, build machines that need 486.34 oil

[random plume]

i saw a text and also was intrigued

[wind spade]

same as my above answer - don't merge it in the first place

make two sets of machines, one making 90 nad one making 30

[tulip fiber]

ive build machines for 486.34 oil but
i dont know how to feed them

[wind spade]

manifold

[random plume]

im confused two sets od machines?

[wind spade]

yeah, one set of machines makes 90/min, other one makes 30/min. No need to merge, hook each belt to the side you want

[random plume]

oh u mean like underclock it

i c

[wind spade]

or overclock or whatever

[random plume]

ts is water extracters i thought their default was 120 base

[wind spade]

yeah, then instead make it so that each section needs 450

[wind spade]

if you're talking about fluids, then just use a manifold

[random plume]

so this is fine?

[random plume]

this layout is the one i used for the coal generators since im setting it up for the first time

[wind spade]

fluids can't really be balanced anyway, so it's either direct connection or manifolds

[trail osprey]

can anyone help me figure out why my train station delivering one item between 2 factories isn't working? i'll send more info if needed

[wind spade]

what "isn't working"?

[trail osprey]

it isn't going back and forth without saying "path is unreachable"

[wind spade]

screenshot of the two stations please

or at least the one where it's coming back

[random plume]

does this work? is the splitter and the elevator entrance connected because i could for some reason put it literally inside the elevator entrance

[oblique hollow]

If you hear a littlw "blip" while builsing, it likely snapped to it

[trail osprey]

unloads in first pic and loads in second pic

@wind spade

[wind spade]

why do you have stations on both sides?

[trail osprey]

i assumed I needed to have one for each train locomotive at each station

[wind spade]

no, you only need one for the leading locomotive

[trail osprey]

it wouldn't return when I had only one locomotive anyways

[wind spade]

well, you have both locomotives, but only one station

[trail osprey]

? where are you getting "only one station" from

[wind spade]

I'm not sure what you're asking about? you just said you assumed that you need one for each locomotive, which I said isn't the case

[trail osprey]

ok so how do I make it so it performs a round trip loading and unloading

[wind spade]

step 1 is to remove the excess station and set up the route again

you probably picked a wrong station or something in the timetable

[brazen copper]

I’m now officially out of powrr

[tight karma]

make moar power

[fervent spire]

if I have like 12 belts of 557.14 items coming out of my ingot processing facility, I don't need to do any complex load balancing right?
I can just use a series of overflow smart splitters to combine it into 780 belts, and that should automatically sort itself out into however many full 780 belts + one with the overflow?

[tight karma]

It's called a belt compressor yes

[fervent spire]

hmm I think after a few of these, the overflow will become low enough that it takes 2 input belts to feed the same output, so I gotta math it out to see when that happens

[brazen copper]

I am making, well hoping to make a huge water powrr at this lake

[tight karma]

or if you have a tiny amount leftover just sink it tbh

[fervent spire]

yeah but in my case I'm using most of the output of all twelve belts. so like, it will in total give me ~8.5 780 belts and I need to use something like ~8.2's worth. so at the end I'll have a bit to sink, but to compress the belts it still needs some extra work

[tight karma]

ah

[fervent spire]

I think this is right, but yeah basically I just need to put in a fresh input belt into a merger every 3 or so

[tight karma]

I dont think thats how typical compressors work?

although i guess it could work

[fervent spire]

yeah I just saw this on the wiki and it's the same idea. example B is basically what I'm doing (with a few extra overflow splitters I guess) but the numbers are such that the remainder + a new belt is too much for my belt capacity if I do that alternating for every output belt

[wind spade]

no, you can also just hook each belt to machines that need 557.14/min

[tight karma]

lol my alu factory is exactly example a, i should probably compress it

[brazen copper]

How much can the power tower transfer?

[tight karma]

all of it

just like any other power cable in the game?

[brazen copper]

Can you make wires any longer?

[tight karma]

nope

although the power tower can span longer distances

[brazen copper]

How?

Wait im dumb nvm

@tight karma

[tight karma]

that's me

[brazen copper]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[fervent spire]

that's how I felt when I got my rocket fuel cube online

I'll probably feel it again once I decide to do nuclear

[tight karma]

wait till you find out about alien power augmenters

[brazen copper]

No spoilers

[fervent spire]

that reminds me I need to hunt down enough to make a third of those, I have two set up in an area next to my power plant that is just waiting for a third to make a little pyramid of them

[tight karma]

they're technically tier 1 tech

right?

[fervent spire]

I can cover my entire consumption with just the boost lmfao

and yeah it's just from the MAM alien tech research

[brazen copper]

What does all 5 things mean?

[fervent spire]

consumption is how much you are currently using. max consumption is how much it would take if all machines were on. production is how much you're producing, I think capacity would be different than production if you had power storage hooked up to the grid? I don't.

power boost is from the alien power augmenter, it does a percentage boost to your entire grid, so it scales more with the more power you have

[unique cypress]

!wikisearch power

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=power

[tight karma]

wat rifle ammo do y'all like best?

tryna fiigure out what I'm gonna automate

cuz I'm still desperately putting off automating motors untill i unlock iron wire

[stone mason]

Just anything but the regular one. However, you need it to make the others, so just do all.

[simple thorn]

Can 2 entrances on a support work as a hypertube booster?

[tight karma]

all ammo types lol?

I was planning on only doing one

(and the normal one i guess)

[trail osprey]

would adding another locomotive to my train make it faster?

[meager kettle]

depends how many cars it has

[trail osprey]

2

[meager kettle]

then no

[trail osprey]

mk

[meager kettle]

1 locomotive to 4 cars

[hot hornet]

Does it make it accelerate faster tho?

[trail osprey]

thanks for that

[meager kettle]

theres no diffrence in acceleration, top speed or climb slowdown (2m) for a train thats 1 locomotive with 4 cars

[stone mason]

i believe turbo is easier to make than homing if you have the aluminium required

[meager kettle]

larger trains, say 2 locomotives and eight cars, will suffer slowdowns on inclines, but not in acceleration and top speed

[unique cypress]

~120 km/h is the max on level rails

[meager kettle]

if you use more than four cars per locomotive then slowdowns will happen on all, acceleration, top speed and inclines

[tight karma]

I just built a 3k/min alu factory

[random plume]

is this setup correct for my coal generators?

[wind spade]

well, there's no "correct" in the game, as long as it works, it's fine

[random plume]

yeah but only the first 2 have been maxed with coal the third one is just barely running the scraps thats left and the rest are just not working

idk if i have to wait in order for the buffer to be filled or smth

but i have been waiting a while

[unique cypress]

How much coal do you have coming in?

[random plume]

120 per min each side

[unique cypress]

Then it's enough

Takes about half an hour to fill a manifold like this

[random plume]

i just wait for the buffer?

[random plume]

oh shit i thought it would take like 10 mins max

[trail osprey]

alr cool

[tight karma]

this stupid thing has all it could ever want yet every once in a while it just stops (no the output water isnt backing up)

[trail osprey]

this is fine, I'd say this is standard for what many people do for coal

[tight karma]

I've buildd this factory five times now, in every factory its the last refinery (this one) thats running at 85% eff

[random plume]

yo its been 25 mins and the 3rd coal generator is still running by scraps and the rest havent even started yet

[tight karma]

put some porta miners on the ore node and fill them up manually, manifolds take time to fill

[meager kettle]

Looking at your pic. You're putting 60 coal on that 120 belt

[random plume]

oh my god

im gonna kms i didnt have the other miner running

[meager kettle]

#math-and-meta message the belt there is half capacity

[random plume]

i did think that this belt looked a lil empty than ususal but i thought it was just the speed since its my first time dealing with mk2 belts

[vapid gorge]

1 splitter will eventually balance out doing that 🙂

[vapid gorge]

that image is the average flow in that layout 🙂

[iron latch]

Can I use the second pipe input on a blender for the loopback or does it need to go through the original input?

Or better question, should you?

[spare basin]

Is this an alright train station or do I need to extend on the top

[mint coral]

this seems fine

[unkempt wharf]

what should i pick

[stiff lynx]

look at the screw count, you tell me

|| The plate one ||

[warm granite]

Bolted frame - definitely. look at how fast you churn out Bolted frames. So fast!

Stitched Iron Plate - Oh god no. What are we? in the 1800's?! Stitching things together is so old school. You'll be the laughingstock of the whole discord server

[mint coral]

both are good. get what you think youll use. If you think youll use niether dont make a decision. if they arre in the choices section they are out of the pool of posibilities

[tropic zephyr]

ohh okay sorry i am a newbie

[grand lotus]

can i do manifolds for water? or do i have to evenly distribute it

[mint coral]

the self

[grand lotus]

wdym

[mint coral]

sorry The self balance

[grand lotus]

ok

[mint coral]

this is pro and con.

as it can lead to back wash and slooghing in diffrent scenarios

[vapid gorge]

No sweat 🙂

[mint coral]

even if you werent it would be all good. most of us like hleping

[vapid gorge]

Recipe choice always depends on the other recipes you’re using

For example bolted frame pairs well with steel screws which outputs huge quantities of screws 🙂

[tropic zephyr]

its my first day in this discord server and i love it thanks to everyone

[vapid gorge]

And we were all newbs at one point

[grand lotus]

im 10000% doing everything wrong 😭

i dont wanna use videos but i might have to

somebody save me

[tropic zephyr]

i think you should do a water tower

water tower solves everything

[mint coral]

!wikisearch cg

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[vapid gorge]

This is fine as long as you have the headlift

[grand lotus]

first thing i tried

collected 360 into 300 pipes though so that couldnt work

[tropic zephyr]

first

[vapid gorge]

Also water towers do not solve everything
Please stop saying that

They do the same thing as pumps

[tropic zephyr]

dont start the generators

[grand lotus]

what i did it right??

[tropic zephyr]

first fill up the generators

[mint coral]

just linking some resources thats all

[tropic zephyr]

oh i am sorry

[vapid gorge]

Looks right?

[mint coral]

My attention is divided and my ADHD brain wont let me focus on one thing lol

[mint coral]

as long as you have the headlift and Fill the pipes you may be good

[vapid gorge]

As long as you have pumps in the right spot 🙂

[grand lotus]

ok ima turn the coal gens off then

[grand lotus]

i do i know what to do now tyall

[tropic zephyr]

what is recommended head

in the pumps

[vapid gorge]

Not sure what you mean, sorry

[mint coral]

i generally let all my pipes fill before turning on the machines. from what i gather you can only achieve max flow rate with a full pipe

[tropic zephyr]

i am sorry i dont know that in english

[grand lotus]

k

[tropic zephyr]

this thing

[mint coral]

when you place a second pump a Hologram will show you where the headlift from the precious pump ends. I try to place it just bwfore that marker.

Pumps reset headlift and do not stack it.

[grand lotus]

fluid is so annoyingly fun to deal with

[tropic zephyr]

I know that, but sometimes the warning comes when the indicator reaches the yellow part, I don't understand that part.

[grand lotus]

i lowk hate it but its enjoyable since its diff than conveyors

[tropic zephyr]

i agree

[mint coral]

all the gauages and information are averages over time. the are not accurate slices of time.

The information you receive is all secondary. So yu kinda have to infer issues when trouble shooting

[grand lotus]

what do yall think is the best way in general to set up fluid? like the least likely chance of failure or anything bad happening and easiest to setup

[tropic zephyr]

okay i will take care of that

[tropic zephyr]

i think it is water tower

[mint coral]

depends on the situation. A input loop often resolves many issues

[tropic zephyr]

but people dont love that i think?

[mint coral]

so a water tower is the same as making sure you pipe goes abopve your inputs.

thats the Feed from above mentallity

[grand lotus]

honestly from waht i saw on how fluid works, i think watertower the best to save on electricity

[grand lotus]

ok

[mint coral]

seeing if i have a example4 that is not unhinged

[tropic zephyr]

for a coalpower i think water tower is best but for advanced systems i dont know it

[mint coral]

here i ran my pipes over my refineries then into the inputs.

its the same as a water tower. as i just raised my pip above my inputs, It sdoesnt matter if its 4 meters or 400 the result is the same

[tropic zephyr]

how many pipes in here damn

[mint coral]

here ive stacked my pipes. they all go from the levels you see to ground level.

[mint coral]

that was a insane and unhinged build. I will not shopw you other screen shots lol

[tropic zephyr]

:D

[grand lotus]

ok

thanks again

[mint coral]

here i fed at level and it works fine.

I could have fed the whole system with one pipe BUT why? i have to split it anyways and i have the space for several pipes. so I just left each water extractor as seprate line. I try to keeep things simple

[grand lotus]

im setting up a fuck ton of jump pads bc im too lazy to go back from coal gens to base

[mint coral]

the Name Quaker fits well with jump pads

[grand lotus]

hell yeah

[mint coral]

https://tenor.com/view/quake-quake-champions-bethesda-id-id-software-gif-14033916

I have q3 arena on a google drive. When my online group cant decide on a game i force it on them

[grand lotus]

LOL

wait i dont want to get too into a quake discussion bc im not a larper

i got the name quaker from a parakeet species

and people just ref quake a lot so i just go with it

[mint coral]

lol fair

@balmy path I hope this helps.

I setup my fuel system into Clusters. Three heavy oil residue Refineries feed a bank of packagers and refineries.

each packaged fuel refinery is a self contained cluster, of Two packagers and one packaged fuel refinery

this allows me to trouble shoot easily

[random plume]

yay! finally coal power

[mint coral]

congrats! you are free from Biofuel.

Now you can turn all that hard biomass to liquid biomass (when you get the tech)

[random plume]

yeah finallly dont have to cut trees and run around getting leaves anymore

[mint coral]

you dont HAVE to. But you may still wana. Some ppl love the height liquid bioofuel gives your jetpack

[balmy path]

i might actually use this but i really like space efficiency so idk

[random plume]

theres a jetpack???

[mint coral]

space is your greatest resource you have so much of it.

[mint coral]

oh ya, sorry about the spoiler

youll get it soon

[random plume]

nah ur good man lol

now im excited lmao

[mint coral]

each fuel has diffrent properties and diffrent feel for the jet pack.

Liquid biofuel gives you the greatest hieght if you just press and hold space. but is really slow.

regular fuel gives you som nice speed but little height.

once you hit turbo fuel you can start feathering the space bar for height and speed.

Rocket fuel is my favorite as it gives good height and speed. unlike the final option it is relatively cheap

[random plume]

i c

[mint coral]

I wont go into the final option as explaining it has so many spoilers

[balmy path]

heres how my factory looks

[random plume]

for the better lol

[random plume]

damnn

mine looks so tiny compared to that lol

[balmy path]

it dont even work lol

[random plume]

omg it extends bro

[random plume]

oh

[balmy path]

yea meaning i might jus tear it down

see the problem was that i needed to transport 2400 items a min, but my belts only can transport 480 a min. so i just did some random spaghetti solution

[mint coral]

are those mbuffers functional or just for decoration?

[balmy path]

they are supposed to be functional are you talking about the weird lookin belt mergers or the fluid buffers

[random plume]

stackable poles?

[balmy path]

my setup uses trains

[balmy path]

i tried organizing it

[random plume]

oh

[balmy path]

its in shop

[mint coral]

fluid buffers. They tend to cause issues and hide the problems

[balmy path]

i could try explaining the way i had it setup

[balmy path]

oh rlly?

[mint coral]

as for the Belts the solution i tagged you in gets around this as they are closed systems for the packages.

[balmy path]

alr

[mint coral]

ya, Pipes only hit max flow rate when the pipes are full Buffers change this to include the buffer. It also makes your headlift variable rather then static as it becomes pined to the fluid level in the buffer

[balmy path]

see the way i had it setup i had made it so that each of the 5 belts would merge into the manifold at different points, for exaple belt one would be at the start of the manifold belt 2 would start at the middle of the manifold and so on. this was the weird solution i came up with, and it clearly dont work

[balmy path]

oh.

well what then?

i need buffers for trains

[mint coral]

ya, buffers are mainly for trains

Pinned here is a Plumbing manual. Its a little out of date but most the information is relavent

it does have some usefull situations fro buffers but i tend ot just not use them outside of trains.

I try to keep my fluids simple

[balmy path]

alr

oh i just got an idea

i think ima make like 5 manifolds, each using 480 items a min next to each other

[tropic zephyr]

what is the best altarnate recipes

[balmy path]

iron screws

the one where you make screws out of base iron

[mint coral]

the one you can use in the situation you have

What ios best is a trap lol

all alts are good even if some are siituational

[tropic zephyr]

i have so much harddisks and i dont want to select wrong recipes

[tropic zephyr]

hm

[balmy path]

you will unlock them all eventually dw

[mint coral]

there is no wrong. there is more harddrives then alt recipes you will get them all over time

heck eventually tou can even buy harddrives if you so desire

[tropic zephyr]

oh okay, so how many snails were there in the original world?

[tropic zephyr]

damnn i dont know that it is nice

[mint coral]

596 blue 389 yellow aanjd 257 pruple

[tropic zephyr]

wow

is it hard to get all of it?

[mint coral]

doggos can bring you powershards and || in the mam is a recipe to make your own and automate there prduction||

[mint coral]

not really. just go out at night and look for them ^_^

[tropic zephyr]

automate it? how

[mint coral]

like every other part. you get the recipe and you produce the parts to make them ^_^

[fervent spire]

You need tier 9 for it though I think

[tropic zephyr]

owwww okay i understand it now, I thought we could automate it with a dog, sorry.

[fervent spire]

It's very late game

[tropic zephyr]

oh thats bad .d

[mint coral]

in the mean time.... have you unlocked soomersloops ?

[tropic zephyr]

yeah i have

[mint coral]

you understand that they make a machine use 4x power but doubles its output without needing additional input?

[tropic zephyr]

and i have 135 snail power thing i dont know that thing

[mint coral]

so if you put a sloop in a constructor then run slugs through it.....

[tropic zephyr]

my english is crying now 😭

[mint coral]

so a purple slug give you 5 power shard.

if you make the power shards in a constructor rather then by hand and you put a soomersloop in the constructor you get ten power shards instead of 5

[mint coral]

english is hard. I have a poor grasp of it and it is my native tongue

[tropic zephyr]

So if this system were detrimental, those things I don't even know the names of wouldn't be in the game .d

[tropic zephyr]

i live in middleeast..

thanks for the tips man!

I didn't expect the answers to be given so quickly and clearly here, but my brain is burning so much.....

[mint coral]

take your time no rush. we are here if you have questions

[tropic zephyr]

i build a green wire"i dont know that things name in english" factory, it produces m/360 wire with manifold, is it a good manifold system

[mint coral]

Caterium maybe? its goldish

a manifold that works is a good one.

things like wires and screws are high output parts. I personally try to direct feed them into the machines that use them

12 ingots makes 60 wires.

So i tend to move the ingots then only craft the wire where i use them

[tropic zephyr]

yeah it is caterium wire

[mint coral]

just checked the math and updated my statment

its easy to move the ingots vs moving the wire

the way you are doing it is NOT wrong to be clear it is a valid way to do it. If it works its good

[tropic zephyr]

its a good move but i too tired for that :D

[mint coral]

the game is choices, layouts and logistics

many ways to get the results needed

[tropic zephyr]

you are right but i cant to anything with catarium right now

[random plume]

yo wtf is that

[mint coral]

mini fart rock

you need pipe bombs to clear it

[random plume]

it moves?

[mint coral]

no

[random plume]

i thought they stood still

this shit moves bruh

[mint coral]

oh then it could be a alpha hog or spider

the top tier mean ones are poisonos or radioactive

[random plume]

i thought alphas were just big versions

its guarding my coal 🙁 why

[mint coral]

the bamboo forest is a harsh area

[trail osprey]

wait till you see the ones in the swamp

giant radioactive spiders

[random plume]

im tryna look for coal and iron nodes that are in close proximity together and just cant find them

[trail osprey]

I made a steel factory near my coal generators

there should be some at that lake

[mint coral]

the grass lands has two sets of that to the south edges

[trail osprey]

that's just northwest of the plains

[trail osprey]

this too

[mint coral]

blue crater to the east of grasslands as a little of everything.

there is no iron in the bamboo forest

[random plume]

just to be clear, are we talking about this lake?

[glacial oxide]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#3;50302;0|gameLayer|limestonePure;ironPure;copperPure;cateriumPure;coalPure;oilPure;hardDrives;ironImpure;coalImpure

[random plume]

oh there some right there at the south ill just go over there ig

[random plume]

im using all 4 of the coal nodes at the lake for power so cant use those lol

[trail osprey]

yep

[trail osprey]

ah yeah

idk i got through coal pretty quick

[mint coral]

eventually youll get better miners belts and overclocking allowing you to feed the same amount of coal generators from less nodes.

[random plume]

oh yeah i forgot overclocking exists

[tropic zephyr]

broooo this jeotermal generators are perfect for starter

any tips for jeotermal generators

[mint coral]

Im the kind of player that makes a facility then never tears it down.

That being said when i do descontruct facilities the first to go is my coal plants as i have other power sources that yeild greater results.

[mint coral]

if you build one or two power storage units for every geothermal node it will help even out your powe as Geo thermal Power output varies greatly

anywhere between 50-600mw

!wikisearch power storage

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=power+storage

[tropic zephyr]

oh yeah thats make sense because jeothermal generators are not produce clear energy

[mint coral]

I like geothermal. BUT i tend not to use it.

because of there fluctuations if you are having promblems with... lets say fuel power its hard to tell because you power graphs are all over the place do to the geothermal.

although there is a way around this.

[tropic zephyr]

what is the solution

[mint coral]

!wikisearch power priority switch

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=power+priority+switch

[tropic zephyr]

because i am going to use that right now

[tropic zephyr]

power switch

hm

[mint coral]

Priority Power Switchs

they let you set up a tier system for power. You go from geothermal to Priority Power Switch to your main grid.

this way you can remotley turn off the geo thermal input for troubleshooting

[tropic zephyr]

thats a good idea but i dont have the items for switch

[mint coral]

you can come back later when you do ^_^

[tropic zephyr]

These generators have been great; I used to produce 600 MW, now it's between 1500 and 2000, but as my factories grow, it will become a bit risky. If the difference were between 1500 and 2100, it would be as big a difference as a coal-fired power plant :D

but i didnt understand how can i use switch

is it like a backup energy?

[fluid grove]

how come this server doesnt have vc channels?

oops wrong channel

[tropic zephyr]

this things are awesome but i think i use them wrong

is altarnate recipe: screwed frame making sense?

i think its good but i want to ask here too

[strange bloom]

if the recipe say 30 per min does it produce 30 items per minute or does the recipe 30 times every minute, Like if the copper wire recipe makes 2 wires each recipe and it says 30 per min, does it make 30 wires every minute or does the recipe 30 times each minute making 60 coils every minute?

[trail osprey]

the item amount produced and the recipes cycle time is used to produce the item/min

3 items every 10 seconds is 18 items a minute

anyone know if the insta scrap recipe is worth using for aluminum or if it's easier to just use the normal production

[brisk urchin]

if i do remember correctly then one aluminum alternative is indeed worth using but i dont remember wich one exactly

[meager kettle]

instant scrap have the same bauxite to scrap ratio as sloppy+electrode. but in one machine instead of two

[limpid vapor]

There are multiple different aluminum chains that are worth using depending on what you're looking for

I personally don't care about maximising yield so I go with what I think is the simplest chain: sloppy alumina and pure ingot

[meager kettle]

well you need to process the alumina solution

[trail osprey]

I think he's just talking about the alternate recipes not including the base one needed for the scrap

[limpid vapor]

I use the base recipe for the scrap so yes

[trail osprey]

anyone know a good spot to make super computers

[limpid vapor]

I make mine at the small lake northwest of blue crater

[meager kettle]

probably where you make your computers?

or your aluminium plant

[limpid vapor]

I think at a certain point for complex products you could just import precursors and do it wherever

As an example https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=9SvA4aMkvoyzdOmALlQ5

This could be anywhere really

[wind spade]

All recipes are good for something

[wind spade]

Because they are impossible to moderate

[mental anchor]

Hello guys quick question please. I'm planning to build a coal power plant with 3 water extractor for 8 coal generator ratio. Does this design will work to supply 180 l/m per output (total of 4 output, 2 for each 8 coal gen). Thanks !

[oblique hollow]

Add pipeline pumps to each of the 4 lines because otherwise the pressure isnt reliable

[mental anchor]

You mean to bring the water on top of the fundation ? My english is not perfet so i don't really see what you mean

[oblique hollow]

Will it go higher up?

[mental anchor]

Nop

It go up from only 4 meters

[oblique hollow]

I would still add pumps because they are cheap

I cant explain it properly, would take too long

[mental anchor]

I just split the middle water extractor to bring 60 on each "main" line and have only 2 pipes with 180 instead of 3

Okay thanks !

[oblique hollow]

Yeah i get that

That all seems ok

[lone parrot]

Got troubles with the numbers

If EVERY machine is at 250%, then how many machines would I need in this exemple?

(or any %, I mean, how can I calculate how to be the more efficient possible here?)

(reeeeally bad at maths, still got troubles when it comes to this)

(I got enough power shards, not a problem)

[mint coral]

treat the as % then divide by 250

26.667= 2666.7%

[trail osprey]

8 refineries for the initial crude oil, 11 packagers to 11 refineries for the heavy oil and water then into 11 more packagers to unpackage the resulting fuel

the 11th for the ones with 11 would need to be at 166.666666666667% instead of 250%

[lone parrot]

Great, great help buddies

And remind me

1 fuel-powered generator produces 250 MW at 100%

So here, with my 1,600 fuel/min

[trail osprey]

you can power 80

[lone parrot]

So 80 x 250 = 20 000 MW

But if I overclock my generators too?

I neeeeeed

1 generator at 250 % = 625 MW

32 generators exactly

So at the western beach, with 2 pure oil nodes and 2 normal, I can make… 60,000 MW with 96 generators in total… right?

[mint coral]

1 generator at 250% uses 50 fuel/min

so yes 32

[lone parrot]

So my numbers are correct?

[mint coral]

yes sir.

I like finding multiple ways to do the math. this way if you get the same result you are good ^_^

[lone parrot]

60 GW is a good start! 🏭✨

[mint coral]

im at 30gw im hoping itll holdout until nuclear

[lone parrot]

Think it’s possible it might lag on PS5?

[mint coral]

i have no frame of r3efernec

[lone parrot]

Or may be I can just use the 2 pure nodes and be happy with 40 GW, then build a rocket fuel power plant later on?

[radiant heron]

Is it bad that I plan on making one giant nuclear power plant using all of the uranium in the world, and slumberslooping the fuel rods (I can’t spell)

[outer vale]

pretty common tbh for those who do nuclear to use it all

just don't burn out

[mint coral]

i wouldnt say bad.

its pretty common though

[outer vale]

probably not common to sloop the rods though, not sure there'd even be enough for that

[radiant heron]

dupping

[outer vale]

well if you're cheating then all bets are off

[radiant heron]

I mean, explo

Exploring

[outer vale]

there are 103 to 106 sloops available depending on what you research, probably at least one of those for actual slooping

if you're cheating in more sloops though, why stop at the rods, sloop every stage

[lone parrot]

My intend is finding ALL sloops & spheres by myself and then dupe more if I need more

[outer vale]

still using more than are available ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lone parrot]

Because you miss some story lines if you dupe them before finding them

[radiant heron]

Because I only duplicate sloops and mercers, I am trying to beat the game without cheating, also my friend started the duplicating, I didn’t know you could

[outer vale]

you could just... not

put the excess in a box, pretend they don't exist

[lone parrot]

Is there anything interesting I could do with my polymer resin here instead of just sink it?

[outer vale]

that's what I did after the last map reset respawned a bunch

[radiant heron]

Time for me to disappear again

Bye ✌️

[outer vale]

depending on how far down the nuclear chain you plan to go, you'll potentially need to sloop more than just rods anyway

[mint coral]

plastic, Rubber , fabric

[lone parrot]

Fabric?

Don’t have that alt recipe yet

What’s the name?

Oh is that the synthetic polyester fabric in the mycelia tree?

[limpid vapor]

I use my leftover resin to produce the supply of rubber and plastic to my dimensional depot, and fabric to produce gas masks

Small amounts will do

Up to you if you think it's worth the effort, very easy to sink it ofc

[mint coral]

if you go nuclear youll want it ^_^

[shadow grove]

am i crazy of course will this work yes will it be effecient probally not but are both iron and coal nodes PURE YES

[limpid vapor]

Length of a belt has no bearing on efficiency

[outer vale]

time spent building the belt maybe not the best, but yeah length just affects latency, not throughput

[shadow grove]

YAY

[lone parrot]

Got it 🙂

[strong badge]

Okay so I'm working on my first fuel power plant as my energy needs spiked quite quickly.

I'm trying to figure out what the base crude requirement is (for a single fuel generator) so i can math it out but can't seem to find it anywhere. Even google gave a very odd answer

[mint coral]

It changes depending on the recipes you are using

[strong badge]

First plant so just regular fuel for now. But i think i found the answer. This is why i don't use the Google AI answers ever. Lol

The wiki was far more helpful. Just had to scroll a bit

[mint coral]

Cool i ment Heavy oil residue- fuel or packaged diluted fuel

[outer vale]

you can always use something like Tools to plan out a production chain with a particular set of recipes
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

since one fuel gen wants, what, 20/min? you could make a plan to make 20 fuel/min and see what the oil requirements'd be.
or, just go straight for your target fuel amount

[strong badge]

Oh okay i gotcha now. Yeah I'm just using refineries to turn crude into fuel and resin and i want the fuel ratios to be exact so it keeps them all full but i want like 20 fuel generators so (if my math is right) i need 400 fuel per minute

[lone parrot]

Check this one out bro

My 1st one too!

Most efficient possible

It’s just that you need 2 specific alt recipes

20,000 MW with just 1 pure crude oil node

[strong badge]

Holy fuel output batman. Lol.

Yeah I've seen that one. kibitz on youtube (i think it was him) did a video about alt recipes and fuel power to optimize while waiting on nuclear power.

I just can't seem to get any of the really good alt recipes to come up despite holding multiple harddrives to take some out if the mix and i keep hunting for more to increase my odds

[lone parrot]

1. heavy oil residue
2. diluted packaged fuel

And that’s it

[strong badge]

With my current plan i need 2 oil extractors at 300 crude a minute (600 total) and my 20 fuel generators will be fully fueled for 5 GW of power

[outer vale]

note that you can generally only get alts for stuff when you've unlocked their main recipe and machines first (eg you wouldn't get Diluted Packaged Fuel without having Fuel and Packagers unlocked)

exploring is always handy though, between the hard drives and other collectables there's plenty out there to make your factory-building experience better

[strong badge]

I had guessed that this might be the case and have been attemtping to unlock certain alt recipes as they become relevant.

I currently have a set up making rubber and plastic with a little petroluem coke and fuel (for like the jetpack and such)

I have containers for storage with a sink that's set up for the overflow from every item in that production chain. Those awesome sinks really are a life saver to keep a factory running. Lol

[outer vale]

yep, very useful for fuel-based power setups

[mint coral]

my two cents on HOR to PDF

#math-and-meta message

[strong badge]

I plan to do something similar when i get the alts i need

That looks impressive. And smart. By clustering it makes indentifying problems easier by a lot.

[mint coral]

works well with any high trough put part as well. screws, and wires for example./

[lone parrot]

Just realized I haven’t automated screws, I’m completely out 😮

Should I say it

I’m SCREWED

[meager kettle]

sounds like you need to screw

[lone parrot]

Let’s goooo

[mint coral]

you dont really need to automate screws for personal use. the are only used for the mam and the awesome shop.

i Just build them as needed in the factory that needs them. then directly put them into the machines that use them

[strong badge]

I completely eliminated screws from my factory. I hate those stupid little buggers

[tropic zephyr]

okay mate thanks

[tight karma]

i just unlocked an alt to make portable miners........ why tf would i want to automate those

I just want iron wire 😭

[outer vale]

automate into a DD, never have to manual craft one again

[brazen copper]

@limpid vapor

That’s where my new “base”

[limpid vapor]

Sure

[tight karma]

yeah but like, plop down a workbench

[limpid vapor]

That's a prime spot for coal power, but good for other stuff too for sure

[brazen copper]

I’m at an area where there coal, iron, water, limestone and copper in one 500 m ish radius

[outer vale]

yeah it's not difficult to make 'em. but this gives you an alternate (get it) option

[tight karma]

so, I now ave 5x600/min aluminium ingots, how does one go about taking a bit of that for a factory? like lets say I want 300 to make alclad sheets, whats the best way to take tat from that factory?

or should I first compress those belts?

[limpid vapor]

If it's exactly 300, just hook up a system to one of the belts?

[brazen copper]

The bottom circle is limestone, copper and iron, the upper circle is 2 coal vines

[limpid vapor]

What's the situation, do they need to be transported?

[tight karma]

yeah but what if it isnt, cuz i cant guarantee future factories are gonna take precice clean amounts

[brazen copper]

What do I need more of. Stell pipes or steel beams?

[tight karma]

bit more beams for encased beams

[limpid vapor]

I would load it all into a train station with multiple freight platforms that are evenly loaded, and buffered by containers - then send trains to pick it up, and also unload the trains evenly on the receiving end

When you hook up a consumer system to the receiving end it will consume exactly what it needs, and you can set up multiple systems like this

The system will balance out, every place gets exactly as much as it needs

[tight karma]

like one platform for every belt?

[limpid vapor]

That should be a pretty safe bet

As long as you set your trains to only leave when empty or full

[tight karma]

guess its time to learn trains

[limpid vapor]

It sounds like you have centralised aluminum production, trains are the perfect tool to ship it around

I also centralized mine

I use the same system to ship around plastic and rubber, as they are often needed in small quantities

[tight karma]

yeahhhh i was planning on centralizing plastics too

[limpid vapor]

Sure, it's another good target for that

[meager kettle]

depends where you are in the game. starting with steel, you prob gonna want more beams than pipes, but as you get more alt recipes, you might move to produce predominantly steel pipes, still need some beams for building and frameworks tho

[tight karma]

how does one keep track of what capacity is left?

[limpid vapor]

Take notes, or use signs

[meager kettle]

capacity of what?

[brazen copper]

Now I need transport it

[tropic zephyr]

i built this but how can i split that materials like that?

[tight karma]

of my alu plant

[limpid vapor]

just use splitters, machines only take what they need, the rest goes where it can

[meager kettle]

slap down some signs with the material and rate on it

[limpid vapor]

leftover capacity when taking supply from a centralized production

[limpid vapor]

but yess

[meager kettle]

i do it on basically everything, just so i can see at a glance what there is

[tropic zephyr]

but how

[limpid vapor]

!wikisearch manifold

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[tropic zephyr]

oh yea manifold thats make sense

[limpid vapor]

you dont need to micromanage the amounts, the machines provide the bottlenecks

[tropic zephyr]

If I'm extracting exactly the required amount of ore, there shouldn't be any problems, right?

[limpid vapor]

i would imagine not

[tropic zephyr]

it's already coming in exactly the required number and the conveyor belts are full to the brim, we're constantly receiving what we need. Thank you so much for reminding me about the manifold, my brain has been burning all morning.

[tropic zephyr]

am i using this batteries right? i have geothermal generators btw

[wind spade]

that's a power storage

[tropic zephyr]

I hope I'm not using my electricity in a way that will damage anything; I don't know exactly what happened.

[dusky dust]

There's sort no "damage" to machines in the game, btw. Machines either have the power to run or they don't. :) If your machines require more power than the grid can provide, then you'll get the power-trip sound effect and have to get your generators and such restarted

Power Storage can help provide a bit of buffer for those situations. When there's excess power on the grid (ie: you're generating more power than you're using), they'll store a certain amount of power until they're full (the two in that screenshot look to be full; there's a little progress bar on the side which is four-squares-fujll)

With those connected to the grid, if your machines start needing more power than you're generating, the Power Storage will start discharging its power to make up for the difference

But you're sort of on a timer at that point -- they can only store so much

[tropic zephyr]

i use google translate sorry for wrong words, when I mentioned damage there, I didn't mean machine breakdown.

[dusky dust]

The best way to handle power (IMO) is to just always make sure that you're producing more power than you need. Check your power graphs frequently -- if your "max usage" is starting to get close to your "Production" line, then it's time to build more power

Stuff like Power Storage and Priority Power Switches are nice as backup systems, but it's nicer to just have the capacity in the first place. :)

[tropic zephyr]

Yes, they're full. I have four batteries, and they're all fully charged, totaling 400mW, which I think is a good thing.

[tropic zephyr]

oh okay its like a backup for some situations

[dusky dust]

Technically MWh, btw, or "megawatt-hours"

400 MWh means that they can supply 400MW for an hour

[tropic zephyr]

I'll probably never have a problem with energy because in this game I much prefer generating electricity to producing things. I use a total of 300 electricity but produce 2000 :D

[dusky dust]

If you've got 400 MWh but the system only needs 200MW of power, then they would work for two hours, etc

[tropic zephyr]

yeah i agree with this

[tropic zephyr]

damnn I had never thought of it that way, it makes perfect sense.

[tropic zephyr]

hmm i need 300mv they would work for 1.30 hours i think

thanks for your informations thats help a lot

[dusky dust]

np, cheers!

And of course: they only need to supply the difference in power, if you go over your Production

If you're producing 2000MW and your machines need 2100MW, then the Power Storages will only need to supply 100MW worth

So with 400 MWh stored, they'd be able to keep going for 4 hours

[tropic zephyr]

So the more battery I have, the less likely I am to have problems.

I understood the battery part, but I couldn't understand the switch part; it looks strange.

[wind spade]

*power storage

but honestly just build more power rather than more power storage

[meager kettle]

power storage is just a temporary safeguard, it doesnt solve lack of power

[tropic zephyr]

oh sorry for mistake

[meager kettle]

and the switch is just a switch. on or off

[tropic zephyr]

like this?

o means closed ı means open

[outer vale]

assuming the left has a power source and the right doesn't, yes

IMO it's easier to just think of a power switch as a cable you can disconnect and reconnect without dismantling

[tropic zephyr]

ooohhhh okay i understood thats make sense

but there is an other switc

i think its smart switch or something like that

[outer vale]

the priority power switch lets it automatically disconnect if there's not enough power to sustain the whole grid

[verbal stag]

How do you designate individual grids with the priority switch?

[tropic zephyr]

wow thats nice

[verbal stag]

Because if everything is connected then isn’t it just one big grid

[outer vale]

not if you only connect the two grids through the priority switch

again, it's just a fancy cable

if you have another cable somewhere else that makes it all still one grid, then just like disconnecting a normal cable, nothing'd happen if the switch turns off

[tropic zephyr]

i dont understand it

[outer vale]

but if it's the only point where the two grids connect, then turning it off would disconnect the grids

[tropic zephyr]

I think I understood a little of what you said, but I apologize, my English isn't good enough to respond.

thanks for the information guys i will use that

[verbal stag]

Mmmmmm

Makes sense now

[outer vale]

switch turns off, that red connection breaks, two separate grids

[tight karma]

my modular mini mega factory lol. It produces very little of a lot of things xD

[blazing sleet]

I just finished a bunch of math for a HMF factory and after I was done I realized my conveyers can't keep up with it so I have to redo everything🥲

Feel like this is a canon event

[meager kettle]

just use more conveyors?

[blazing sleet]

I have a very specific setup my brain won't let me move from

If I did that it would be different from the rest of it. I will not allow that.

[fervent spire]

introducing belts midway into a large manifold works just like pipes, right? e.g. stick a merger in between the splitters at the point where the next machine would need more throughput?
or would I need to use smart splitters or priority mergers anywhere?

[tame harbor]

It can work aye

[fervent spire]

my belt compressor idea is being sabotaged by inputs coming in bursts 🙁 so I need to rethink figuring out how to feed several thousand iron ingots into the next phase of production
I guess I could maybe buffer the ingots before the belt compressor but that will take up a LOT of space

[crimson moat]

much better than pipes

[crimson moat]

a buffer (or belt buffer) long enough to absorb a full burst shouldn't be that big

[fervent spire]

I initially thought that the output buffer of the refineries would be enough (it's pure iron ingots) but I just let it run for a bit into a sink and it's not 🙁

[crimson moat]

You only need a storage container or a little belt merging into the compressed belt

and overflow when that is full, not when the compressed belt is full.

it may empty partially between bursts, but it will fill again before more overflow happens

[fervent spire]

yeah so all the input belts are 557.14/m
I did the math on the compressor and it should work out assuming it's evenly distributed, I even set up priority mergers as well to make sure it's merging in the correct way.
also 7 of these merge perfectly to 5 780 belts.
I have it all going into a sink, turned off the sinks and let all the refineries back up fully until idle, let it run for a bit, but now there's gaps showing.

so I guess it would need more of a buffer than the refineries' outputs + the amount of belt going into the compressor

[crimson moat]

this is a factorio pic (don't have one handy for satisfactory) but concept is the same

you have the top one and need the bottom

[fervent spire]

yeah I am pretty sure I did the math and splitter+merger setup correctly, it's just the bursty input is messing with it because the splitters output to belts they "shouldn't" when there's gaps

[crimson moat]

Stuff merging into the compressed belt needs to priority split into a buffer belt or storage container right before the merge

That buffer should fill before allowing overflow to go the other way.

[fervent spire]

wait, so where exactly does the buffer need to be? I think that's what's confusing me

[crimson moat]

I'l draw (actually will screenshot nvm)

[trail osprey]

pipe headlift of doom

[fervent spire]

SHUSH IT'S UNDER THE FOUNDATIONS IT CAN'T HURT ME IF I CAN'T SEE IT ONCE THIS BUILDING IS COMPLETE >_>

[fervent spire]

Is it this dotted circled area that needs to buffer for long enough that the gap in the left 600 input takes? (Simplified the numbers to make it easier)

[crimson moat]

This is kind of the dumb system that breaks when the belt on the right has bursty flow

and this is a version with a longer buffer

what it is doing is that the middle belt stays full, and when there isn't input for a while, it drains to keep the left belt full.

When a big burst of input comes, it all refills the middle belt and none of it goes the other way.

[fervent spire]

okay, that makes sense. and the mergers also need to be priority mergers that prioritize their input belts rather than the overflow belt, right?

[crimson moat]

in this case the belt length itself is acting like a buffer, but you can use a storage container

[fervent spire]

my setup was behaving weirdly until I changed it to that, because I noticed the round robin merging was backing up a lot of belts that shouldn't have been

[crimson moat]

Yeah, in this case you would prioritise left input and only use the middle belt to fill gaps.

[fervent spire]

okay. I'll redo my drawing for my setup and see how I can fit this in a reasonable space. thanks 🙂

it's rough because the belt gaps aren't TOO big but it's like, big enough that just using belts would be a fairly long belt, but small enough that a storage container is extremely overkill lol

[crimson moat]

yeah

[fervent spire]

I do want to make this work rather than just trying to manifold the uneven input belts.
partly because it's an interesting exercise and I want to make it work, and also because having full 780 belts of iron ingots makes distributing stuff among the downstream production WAY easier to block out

[crimson moat]

yeah it does

I had compression with a belt buffer in my build but i think i deleted it at some point 😄

[fervent spire]

this does help a lot with understanding the bursty input stuff
I might do similar in my plastic and rubber factories too. right now they're producing 1800/min but it's split into like, 3 belts of ~555 and 1 belt of ~280 or something

though for that one I might just do a 4:4 load balancer to get 4 belts of 450

....which begs the question, will THAT get messed up by bursty inputs too? lol

[crimson moat]

something like this is pretty safe and clean, it will just take a while to fill before it starts to deliver overflow

[fervent spire]

yeah that's what I'm thinking, just need to properly fit it in the space I have, because I've got 12 belts of this 🙃

[crimson moat]

a smaller box or being able to size limit would be extremely helpful x3

[crimson moat]

Yeah i've been there 😄

[fervent spire]

all this iron is beautiful though I'm really happy with how this turned out