math-and-meta

[wind spade]

again - don't put everything on one belt 😉

that's even easier

[wary fable]

fuel is easy, it's liquid I will put junction, but what about rubber input (from redisual rubber)? in which group?

[meager kettle]

I've set it up to be 400/800 belts and 400 fuel pipes with banks of 8 refiniers each. 400 rubber goes into one bank with 400 fuel and out comes 800 plastic, then i split the plastic so 2x400 go into 2xbanks with 2x400 fuel to make 2x800 rubber etc

think i slooped 2 blenders to polish the numbers to be more even, but 2400 crude in, 3200 rubber+4800 plastic out.

[wary fable]

yeah but I am making computer mall not plastic factory

and these fractures confuse me

as I cannot figure out grouping

[meager kettle]

could overproduce a bit, plastic and rubber will be needed more of past computers

[wary fable]

a quick idea, what if I build in 3 channels (groups), one will produce plastic needed for supercomputer, another will produce plastic for AI limiter and third will produce for recycled rubber, they will share input of rubber (both from redisal and rycled rubber) as well as fuel ?

recycled rubber in 2 channels (one to feed recycled plastic) another to feed insulated crystal oscillator sharing same input of plastic and fuel in manifold?

[wary fable]

will this work or the idea is stupid?

[lyric sinew]

tips? is this a good build for a 120 ore to 120 rods?

that would be 1-1 right?

[mint coral]

That sounds right. You can always check the ingame codex

Press "o"

[wary fable]

Like will sharing inputs work given cycle? Would I need to pre-load so that it works? Do I need overflow protection (sinking)?

[outer vale]

that looks like a pretty standard setup, iron rods are pretty simple

[lyric sinew]

yeah im just tryna learn the math yk

im in like phase 3 so im trying to optimize

[somber sedge]

my belts handle upto like 720 or something

how would i balance this

my first thought was to take those two belts containing equal (418.67/min) amount of iron and do this

using a smart splitter and a merger

[mint coral]

i wouldnt. I make a run of machineds that use most of belt A

then id take the excess and merge it with belt B and start another run of machines

[somber sedge]

so the right belt is max saturated and the left belt is min saturated

[somber sedge]

wait let me get this straight

[somber sedge]

do u think this would work tho

[mint coral]

i dont see why not.

may want a Priority merger (i cant tell in image)

[somber sedge]

i havent unlocked that yet

[mint coral]

its in the mam. You want to make one line the priority it prevents the stuttering that happens sometimes

but it should be fine as is

[somber sedge]

yes the priority merger really smoothed things out

[wind spade]

not balance, hook directly

group the smelters/foundries so that one makes 600 and one 233

[somber sedge]

this is what i did

[somber sedge]

huh?

[wind spade]

make two groups, one making 600, one 233.3333
no balancing needed

[somber sedge]

you mean this?

[wind spade]

yeah

[somber sedge]

okay in retrospect that was much smarter

im not tearing this down tho

[wary fable]

?

[somber sedge]

also i love running multiple stuffs thru the same elavtor

[graceful scarab]

I just need to check with someone to see if my math is correct.

I need to make 420 cable per min.
Im using the iron wire recipe for the cable
I need 840 per min going into 14 constructors to make the iron wire. So that means that I'll need 37.33 constructors
Or
37 at 100%
1 at 33%

Is that correct or did I do something wrong?

I actually did it right?

[meager kettle]

yes

[graceful scarab]

Yayyy tyy

[hearty light]

hey just to be sure

this should be decent so nothing goes under clocked right?

forgot to show the imput its 1 pipe

devided into these 3

[mental plume]

guys uhm i think 100 cluster nobelisks send u far

eventually

lmao

[hidden roost]

would a large scale fluid bus be better for transporting fluids or are trains okay? because trains have horrible fluid throuput. and would it be worth it to make a separate factory in places like the spire coast because of an abundance of water and oil that would be difficult to transport?

also i think the idea of huge massive trains would be funny but that also seems like a logistical nightmare to handle

[wind spade]

busses in this game are not recommended, especially fluid busses

unless you mean fluid pipe, at which point it's really up to you

trains have just fine throughput tho

[hidden roost]

yeah i meant huge pipelines

[wind spade]

trains are fine, though best would be to build near fluids

[hidden roost]

thats what i meant by a bus

[hidden roost]

got it

and are drones a viable method of large scale logistics? because ive always wanted to try that because it would be silly and cool

[meager kettle]

drones are good for smaller thruputs, like up to 300/min or so depending on distance and fuel

you can just make more ports and drones tho

[wind spade]

drones are for lower throughput

[hidden roost]

do you mean that 300/min is just one drone per 2 ports? or one drone on both the send and receive ports

[meager kettle]

two drones

[hidden roost]

ok

better fuel doesnt increase speed but it does decrease fuel drain correct?

[meager kettle]

i used em to move uranium, which were 300/min, and i ended up needing 4 drones over 4 drone ports (two at each end) to meet that

increases speed too

[hidden roost]

gotcha

currently im using plutonium fuel rods lol

[meager kettle]

fuel -> turbo -> battery=rocket -> uranium -> ionized=plutonium in terms of speed

[hidden roost]

gotcha

[meager kettle]

the wiki has the speeds, which i do not recall

[hidden roost]

i think ill try experimenting with huge drone yards or something and then ill just use many many drones to increase the throughput (despite the inefficiency i think it would be hilarious)

it would be even more funny if i used ficsonium fuel rods lmao

[meager kettle]

they dont take those

[hidden roost]

rip

ficsit does not waste lmao

[meager kettle]

they also dont take liquid biofuel iirc

[hidden roost]

yeah its like the same as turbofuel i think

[meager kettle]

no, as in they wont accept it

[hidden roost]

oh ok

on a semi-related note, i made a BUNCH with just a single stack of spitter remains and some sloops. it was literally like 2/3 full industrial storage containers lol

super perfect for making right after jetpack is unlocked because its great for building oil setups and its miles better than fuel

[meager kettle]

yea, i think alien protein makes like 1500/min biomass, more than a t6 belt can handle at 100%

[gaunt tartan]

What's the best way too make dark matter residue

Cuz I'm assuming tools is asking forcing me too make 336 superposition oscillators because it gives a good amount of residue

But there's gotta be better way I wonder if I disable thoose

[meager kettle]

uh theres only one way thats not a byproduct

so, would use byproduct as much as you can

then make rest with sam

[hidden roost]

i mean i try to primarily use byproduct

[gaunt tartan]

Okay I fixed it I disabled that recipe

[hidden roost]

oh ok

[gaunt tartan]

For what tho idk what they're even used for and also it's 336 a min

Ah I think it uses way more time crystals now

[hidden roost]

alot of late game recipes have dark matter residue as a byproduct

[hidden roost]

i mean in vanilla i believe its just reanimated sam

[meager kettle]

yea

[gaunt tartan]

Yeah so it's 1200 time crystals vs 1600

One I have no byproduct the other I do

I'll take a closer look too see if its worth it

But at work

Either way that works tho that does leave me with less than 200 time crystals a min

So hopefully that doesn't hurt belt production

[gaunt tartan]

Time crystals?

[hidden roost]

no

are you playing modded?

[meager kettle]

dark matter residue is just sam ore -> reanimated sam -> dark matter residue

[gaunt tartan]

I mean yeah

Ah I see

[hidden roost]

if you havent already, you can search dark matter residue in the codex to see all the recipes

(the ones youve unlocked)

[gaunt tartan]

Only phase 4

[meager kettle]

its if you wanna make dark matter crystals, you have 3 recipies to use, residue + diamonds, residue + time crystals and just residue

[hidden roost]

dark matter crystallization is the goat

[meager kettle]

time crystals save the most on residue, while residue doesnt need anything else

[hidden roost]

if only there was a recipe like that for water that didnt require limestone

[gaunt tartan]

Well my plan is too make 1800 time crystals and train thoose around or whatever

[meager kettle]

that will be a lot of coal and oil

[gaunt tartan]

Oil no

Coal yeah 36k coal a min only 1800 oil my first power plant that makes 60gw will be taken down and turned into diamonds

Nuclear plant uses some like 4k

So should leave around 2k on the map

[meager kettle]

72k coal

according to my math

[gaunt tartan]

Wait what I thought like 42k

[hidden roost]

yeah i agree that using coal is the way to go esp if you have an oil power plant

[hidden roost]

altho turbo diamonds is a very efficient alt iirc

[meager kettle]

600 coal -> 30 diamonds -> 15 time crystals

[gaunt tartan]

Tools gives u the map resource limits?

[hidden roost]

hmm thats just a little bit of water just a bit

[gaunt tartan]

That's just the max integer amount on the site

[meager kettle]

well map doesnt have 20000 sam :p

[gaunt tartan]

So we don't truly know the max amount

[hidden roost]

yeah and you cant use converter to make more sam

[gaunt tartan]

I have that setup like that so I can get my nuclear setup plan working

That's all stock

[meager kettle]

yea, halves coal use for 1200 packaged turbo

[gaunt tartan]

Not for me

[meager kettle]

no wait

2400

[gaunt tartan]

I think any other way I did this recipe it used 12600 oil

Aka all of the oil

[meager kettle]

why do you need 1800 time crystals tho?

[hidden roost]

why do you need those time crystals btw?

lol we had the same thought

[gaunt tartan]

It used all the 1800 oil I have

Wanted too use all the oil also turns out I'll need them for nuclear

Also coupons

[meager kettle]

nuclear doesnt use time crystals, you can use em to reduce residue need a bit but its not required

[gaunt tartan]

Do slightly worry about the train track getting overloaded with 36k coal and only 2 tracks but we shall see

[gaunt tartan]

Tools says it does for let me check

God damnit

I didn't fix it now I have 480 power shards as a byproduct

Uses it for dark matter trap and the power shards

[hidden roost]

oh you need time crystals to automate power shards?

its quite easy to get those manually if you use sloops

[gaunt tartan]

I just want a byproduct free factory why tools

[meager kettle]

so you either need 4480 residue or 1120 + 224 time crystals to make the singularity cells. kinda far shot from 1800

and another 1120 residue for the ficsonium refinement

[gaunt tartan]

Dies

So if I do 224 it makes me make another 200 of I do 400 I get a byproduct of 25 ai expansion servers a min

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Fw6sEPE9ZcIJ3TROOrk3

[meager kettle]

since you need some production of ai expansion servers, neural-quantum processes and super position oscillators, you can use the byproduct from those to reduce the need of sam ore

[hidden roost]

factory planning tools arent magic tbh. like they often get very confused when making a recycled plastic/rubber factory for example

[gaunt tartan]

I hate this

[gaunt tartan]

Tools is magic tho it just interesting for nuclear it seems

[gaunt tartan]

Except for this is going the be made last

Wait maybe I miss understood

[meager kettle]

for me, i just crystallized it, and droned it to my nuclear plant to make the singularity cells

and if you feel spicy, can sloop the ficsonium rods in the quantum encoders to become self sufficient on dark matter

for that step, just need a lil to kick start it

tho i think it takes like 40-50 sloops to do that

and with the sloops needed to make trigons, might be squiffy

[tight karma]

okay i did the next best thing to tearing out all of my machines just for a screenshot lol, since all the machines use beltevators all thhe conveyors you can see here are within a single thick logistics layer lol

[gaunt tartan]

Well I technically have alot more sloops

Cuz I can buy them for 20 coupons

[gaunt tartan]

But I see

I have no clue my plans fully tbh I just needed a rough draft so I made sure too spare enough resources for it

[fervent spire]

finished my power plant and finally going to start working on the rubber and plastic factories. I think the part that is going to be the most complex is getting the fuel from the blenders into the rubber and plastic refineries.
Rather than trying to do extremely cursed math to get different fuel pipe numbers to work out, would it work to just have the entire fuel line be one connected manifold, and make sure I feed the output of the blenders into it at, say, 4 evenly distributed points among the manifold?

e.g. can I do this (4 blenders -> 1 input pipe to this manifold) and make the 3 lines at the top output to 1/3 of the refineries each?

[tight karma]

This looks so cursed to me xD, but I love it. Might be time to go find more harddrives

[fervent spire]

ok yeah just drew it out and did the math on each pipe segment, should be good

[mint coral]

@bright kettle

[deep geyser]

anyone happen to know how to use satisfactoryplanner.net?
i've set up a basic miner to smelter chain but it's unpowered and doing nothing. i don't know how to power it
apparently you have to attach the end of it to a container

[fluid grove]

if i split the conveyer into 2, will it be 30 per conveyer if the original had 60?\

[frosty olive]

should be

depends on the machines tho

eg, splitting a 60/min iron ore belt into 2 belts of 30/min, going into 2 smelters each will get you your 30/30

but

if you split 60/min of iron ore into a rod constructor and a plate constructor, you would not get your 30/30 split

[frosty olive]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf?2090cd

[ionic sapphire]

wait wiki says you need 2 power storages for a pure geothermal node
pure node outputs 600MW at max output
power storage accepts 100MW at max input
shouldnt it be 6 storages then

i get that the 600 is not constant output, and is only reached once a minute for like a second
but still, not being able to capture that power should lower the average, right ?

[fervent spire]

average is 400, so you only need +/- 200
the idea is that if the geyser is running at 600, 400 will go to the grid and 200 will go to the battery. if the geyser is running at 200, 400 will still go to the grid (200 from the geyser, 200 from the battery)

the battery isn't there to fully charge from the geyser, it's there to act as a buffer to make sure you always maintain the average power output

[ionic sapphire]

what if the grid doesnt need it

[fervent spire]

I mean if the grid already has enough of a buffer to deal with the fluctuations of the geyser then what's the problem lol

[ionic sapphire]

the spike is just lost then

[fervent spire]

just don't use batteries

sure but that's the case with excess power anywhere on the grid

it'll also be the case if it spikes when the battery is charged

[trail granite]

Guys I tried planning a factory for once and my nuclear waste ended up going into a foundry

Am I fried

[lyric sinew]

10 10 1 per mininte on phase 2 any tips

[somber sedge]

is this supposed to be sarcastic

[trail granite]

How do I use modeler this well bro

[lyric sinew]

i dont even know if i am

im 40 hours new and testing things in here what i got looks like a 10 10 1 for phase 2 but idek that bullspit with the merger and spitters is so i can send exactly what i need to each but idk if i did it right

[frank trout]

Am I weird for not using the modeler?

I like good ol white board.

[lyric sinew]

i started with a note book too much writing

[trail granite]

I need to ask this. Is the circuit a project or your pc bro

[frank trout]

It the main board of a Zebra ZD500 that gave up the ghost

[lyric sinew]

but all jokes aside is that build i did shit

and couldi condence it

[trail granite]

I’m very sad cause one of my saves corrupted so I now I gotta restart

Hopefully not Italian style this time

Prob gonna look for some ppl to help

[somber sedge]

hey so how does this work

on this statetion i have P coke and motors

i dont wanna load P coke but only motors

is it gonna do what i think it will

[tender saffron]

With a 96 fuel p/min setup, is it okay to just underclock one of my five fuel-powered generators to 80%? I saw a comment saying it should be 40% to be stable?

Seeing small dips sometimes.

[orchid brook]

how do i single this in the most effectient way?

[meager kettle]

two stations on the right are wrong way

block signal off each station

[orchid brook]

ok wait thanks

[meager kettle]

naw, you shouldnt clock it to half of what it should be. just let it run for a bit and it should even out over time. as long as you have proper flow

you can turn it off and let it fill a bit

[summer flare]

Yes, you could condense it. Is that diagram how you actually intend to build? Because Modeler isn't actually designed to do layouts and having loads of splitters and mergers like that can have an impact on the calculation time in Full calculator mode, especially for more involved builds.
I can't make out what you're trying to do with the screws with all the extra all over the place.

[frosty owl]

I suggest first reading the small "guide" the tool has, then following suggestions like the one above here 👆

[somber sedge]

this is absolutely nessicary

[frosty owl]

Just be careful not to nessiccate too much with it

[ionic sapphire]

doesnt even help all that much if you dont also add at least 1 chest in front of it

[somber sedge]

what???

[brisk urchin]

if there is a sudden demand to upload items that surpasses the belt speed, then the machines are the bottleneck and you wont be loading at max belt speed

thats why a storage inbetween is p good

in your case with concreet, that is definitely the case

[meager kettle]

you can snap depots ontop of storages, and just connect them with a lift. that way you have a buffer of 48+1 slots rather than just one

[frigid sandal]

is the a more efficient alternative than oversaturating a train line.

[meager kettle]

?

[vapid gorge]

why would you need to oversaturate?

@hollow frost what are you trying to connect exactly? I can't ttell

[hollow frost]

I want the pipe on the right to take input, go into the floor and come up on the left side to merge with the other pipe

[vapid gorge]

well you'd have to build and clip pipes through the foundation

and since it's on the ground that would be a massive pain in the ass

you'd want to build a bottom logistics floor to accomadate it

[hollow frost]

oh it wouldn't work without it?

[vapid gorge]

no, floor holes only go up and down

but this, if you're also feeding machines from below, you'll have flow issues

[hollow frost]

Can add pumps maybe

[vapid gorge]

no there is no simple fix for it

it's not a headlift issue

[hollow frost]

I see, well that sucks

would've looked a lot cleaner this way

[vapid gorge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1399363719460556861/image.png?ex=69aeb905&is=69ad6785&hm=829f45a6dcf650583ca0cdf610b3d227e785c99d4ff19d7483e7e1ccafbde103&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=385&height=300

[vapid gorge]

it's not that it's impossible to feed from below, but it takes practice and skill and patience.

I do it but I know exaclty how to look for problems and fix them swiftly

[hollow frost]

I'll do it manually ig xD

[vapid gorge]

that would still count as feeding from below if you are doing it for the inputs

[hollow frost]

the right side is output and left is input

[vapid gorge]

oh I know. Just becareful with it

[hollow frost]

Alright thank you

[vapid gorge]

this might cause issues

[cinder silo]

One other issue to watch for, rare but I've had it happen three times in my current save, if a fluid doesn't get where it's going, check the pipe section by section, sometimes one snaps but never actually connects, dismantle and rebuild the empty section adjacent to the full one to fix.

[hollow frost]

Okay i figured it's not worth it to go through the hassle, so i just let my pipes clip through 😂

they don't look too bad either

[latent shard]

Is it a bad habit to have one single and big power grid ?

[meager kettle]

kinda, yes. if it blows a fuse it all shuts down and it'll be a big pain to get it back on

[mint coral]

No, you can segregate it using power priority switches if you are worried

[meager kettle]

if you segregate it, its no longer a single big powergrid :p

[mint coral]

As you can see like most things in a sand box game opinions vary

[latent shard]

i have a good capacity but when i take a lot of different resources it can easily double my energy consumption to produce new one

[mint coral]

What i do is i run power towers through the world. That is my main grid. Rail is the only thing that directly connects to it. Everything else goes from power towers to power priority switches. This lets me control what happens in the event of a blown fuse

Power stations are the highest priority followed by anything I never want to black start.

This gives the ability to upgrade or fix issues while still having power

[somber sedge]

i only keep a single grid

a single megapower plant running off petrol

what i like to do is massproduce power and have an absolutely ginormous reserve of batteries

[trail granite]

I run all my pipes at build limit

So I can just send them down don’t worry about lift

[somber sedge]

i like your style

[mint coral]

this power plant is driving me crzy.

I watched it for a hour last night no issues at all

Logged in checked my power and its fluctuating. So i go to the plant all pipes are full no yellow lights and no issues for a hour now

[mint coral]

no issues for two hours now...... maybe i can move on

[gaunt tartan]

This keeps happening too me

Idk what causes it or what but it's mad annoying

[blazing sleet]

I just finished my first computer factory and I'm having a problem where the crude oil isn't going into all of the refinerys fast enough. How can I fix this?

(The oil extractors are producing more than enough crude oil)

[fervent spire]

did you let the system fill before you started it up? turn off the refineries, let the pipes fill up, and then start them up again

[blazing sleet]

so I should wait for the whole system to fully fill up THEN turn on the refineries?

[fervent spire]

yeah. generally speaking you always want pipes to be full, even if they are not running at max flow capacity

[blazing sleet]

ok thanks

liquids in this game suck lol

[mint coral]

having extra oil being pumped into the system then being used can also cause issues oil sloching and backwashing and such

[fervent spire]

^isn't this resolved (mostly) by filling the pipes?

[mint coral]

no because the oil extractor truns off then the pipes empty then it turns back on

[fervent spire]

ahh right

[lyric sinew]

was trying to split perfectly for what each machine needed

and ikk i can have one contruster and do math for how many in each and what conv but i need it to be more broken down than that im a visual learner so idk how ti compact it and make sence of it

i odnt have spart splittes or anything

smart*

how do i split to 210 or something without doing that crazy shit i did or do i have to redo the math so i dont split it like crazy idk im inlike a loop rn and idk what to do

[mint coral]

i generally dont bother splitting i juist use manifolds

[fervent spire]

yesssss got the recycling plastic system finally primed with the inputs and running at full throughput

the monitors seem to be a bit whacky because of the materials coming in bursts but it looks correct

now I gotta figure out if it's worth making a 4to4 load balancer to get this into 4 belts of 450.......

[meager kettle]

they kinda need more than 1 min calibration time to be accurate

[fervent spire]

yeah I'm gonna let it sit for a while

it should be 566.67 x3 and one of 100

[lyric sinew]

so your saing for all my splits even from my miners i should maniforld them?

wouldnt backlog from that mess with the rest of the math through the rest of my system?

[fervent spire]

there are some cases where splitting is useful but in general manifolds are way easier. the only thing you need to take care of is the ramp up time for it, let the input manifold fill up before starting the system so that it's actually operating at the efficiency you expect

[fervent spire]

the only thing backlog in manifolds in a multi-stage system "messes with" is your belts stuttering, but all the production and consumption will operate at the correct amounts you've calculated, so it's a purely aesthetic issue

[mint coral]

the way splitting works (with normal splitter) is it splits evenly between outputs. UNLESS a out put is backed up. then it splits between the remaining outputs

so if you split 60 into a smelter then 60 down the line it will continue to do that BUT if the smelter only uses 30/min eventually that output will back up sending the remaining through the other output

at that point it become 30 and 90

[lyric sinew]

okay so manifolds replace my converyer splits between all machines and i should turn off the first run untill its full and so one

IF my math for each manifold can feed the runs

on*

[mint coral]

here i am Sending exactly 240 parts that these machines need. Each machine needs 40. 40x6 is 240.

Red is my main line the first splitter forces it to split in half sending 120 in to the first machine. then 120 down the line.

Once the first machine fills it can no longer take 120 only 40. so now 200 goes down the line this repeats as each machine fills.

No need to turn on and off things you can jsut let it go and eventually itll fill up.

You can speed this up by hand feeding each machien a full stack

[lyric sinew]

alright thank you that helps alot

ive never played a game so overwheling yet so fun

[mint coral]

np We are here to help if needed

[lyric sinew]

i def need to start a new world with some peoeple who can over explain as we go cuz i can learn this way but hands of visual i will understand soo much better

[mint coral]

you learn as you go. You got this

[lyric sinew]

cuz i cant visulise what i built in modeler and see it in game in my head just yet

[hidden roost]

i just realized that with converters i can turn all the insane amounts of concrete at the sprire cost into coal and sulfur because of the impure and pure sam nodes! (although if i am willing to travel a bit further then there is PLENTY of coal nearby, and a bit of sulfur.)

[lyric sinew]

is that an intereactive map how do you see all the nodes at once if its in game ?

[hidden roost]

i have radar towers set up

[lyric sinew]

ohhh i see automated scanning really? wow

thats cool af

[mint coral]

you can also you the interactive map pinned here

[hidden roost]

yeah radar towers show all ore deposits in the area, along with remaining collectables

[lyric sinew]

right right

[hidden roost]

yeah i like using that too. but radar towers are criminally underrated

[lyric sinew]

but thats like an in game interactive map once you get the scanner thats insance

shows harddrives too coool

[hidden roost]

it needs hmfs and computers and its at the bottom of the quartz tree so its around phase 3

[hidden roost]

if only it showed the locations of them too... 😔

[mint coral]

for sure

[hidden roost]

when i play modded (which i dont really do that anymore) i use a mod which makes radar towers show hard drive locations

alot less cheaty than just giving all alt recipes and it still requires exploring

oh yeah the radar tower only scans stuff below it btw so put them in the highest places you can

[meager kettle]

you got an object scanner which helps find items. so you can use that with the radar tower to see in that radius theres is x harddrives, then use scanner to narrow down where it is

[hidden roost]

yes

radar scanner is still not too great imo tho because i feel like if something is in the scanner then its already visible

[meager kettle]

helps a lot and doesnt just hand it to you on a silver platter

[hidden roost]

i mean yeah i like everything how it is now i dont think anything should be changed

maybe the only thing is that when it says how many power slugs, it says the amount of each type instead of just the amount of all types combined

[lyric sinew]

like i said im new but if i ever "cheat" anything its cast screws lmfao

[meager kettle]

if you're not a fan of screws, theres alt recipes to completly remove any need for em

[lyric sinew]

for early game im not a fan of them foring from ingot rod to screw id rather use ingot to screw right lmao

going

[worthy willow]

Of course I see this after covering the entire map in them

And not doing that

[hidden roost]

lol

well maybe im wrong? 🤞

[wind spade]

the recipe isn't even that good

[meager kettle]

Saves 4mw :p

[wind spade]

well, that depends

[river night]

I like it early on for the simplicity

[mint coral]

arg fighting with power flucuations all day. Finally stable. I can move on

[lyric sinew]

well for the begining its a good one

[wind spade]

that's also questionable

[lyric sinew]

^^

[hidden roost]

just finished the calcs for 3600 rubber + 1200 plastic + 600 fuel outputs for ONLY 1800 crude oil!!

(i am going to turn the fuel into 900 rocket fuel and maybe 900 ionized fuel.)

[gaunt tartan]

Not worth the ionized part unless for drones or jetpack imo

[hidden roost]

yeah

[rich tulip]

Hi, how much resources for an optimal coal plant?

[wind spade]

as much as the coal gens you want need

[rich tulip]

I'm just on mk 2 belt so how many can that feed in a row isn't it 8 plants?

[wind spade]

open the gen, it will tell you

[rich tulip]

The only thing it's telling me is water

[wind spade]

hover over fuel slot

[rich tulip]

Oh the blinking gas can

[meager kettle]

theres a lil fuel gas canister thing icon in the corner of the top left slot, shows use rates for all fuels it can take

[rich tulip]

Does it show OC rate too

[meager kettle]

idk not checked

[rich tulip]

I just tired but it didn't change still said 15 or does it have to be running to upddate

[meager kettle]

think it just shows base rates

the actual rates shows when its done a cycle at the overclock

but its not like its hard math

[wind spade]

also you can easily calculate it (e.g. 200% clock is 2x more)

[frigid solstice]

hello pioneers, sorry for the wall text in advance and if this should be in #1038092680493801533 i'll move it over there

i am humbly requesting some support for the logistics behind this as im not sure exactly what to do

i currently have 24 refineries set up outputting 2228.568 iron ingots/min, set up into 6 blocks of 4 refineries with each block outputting 371.428 ingots/min, so each blocks output is into a mark 4 belt (mark 5 belts are available but limited in supply as aluminum isn't where i want it to be rn and i want to focus on HMF rn)

my question is how in the world do i feed all the constructors requiring the iron? load balancing this seems like a nightmare and im not sure if setting up a massive manifold to feed all of them will work, and if so, how do i feed it properly?

[meager kettle]

smart splitters and priority mergers

[wind spade]

instead of making arbitrary blocks, make blocks that produce the exact amount that the next step needs

no need for any smart/prio split/merge

[frigid solstice]

thats

yeah i should've thought of that actually im a bit slow okay thanks

[gaunt tartan]

Just manifold

Load balancing is really only need for trains imo if anything

So far I've gotten away with manifolds so

[frigid solstice]

i had a feeling but i think i'll just do what greeny said, tearing down 24 refineries and rebuilding is simple enough

cheers

[meager kettle]

dont have to tear it down

just calculate how much they make, clock accordingly and take a belt out from those rather than all

[rich tulip]

coal math

[vapid gorge]

most people don't think of it at first, dw. Clocking is your bread and butter of logistical management in the game

@rich tulip make a post in #1038092680493801533 or just show images of what you're trying to do here

[rich tulip]

I got it working I had to just add another water thing

I needed 360 water

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

convenient coal layouts - btw overclocking coal generators doesn't give you more power per coal.

generally simpler to save your shards for miners that early on

[rich tulip]

That's fine there's many in game.

I just over clocked them save on space too

[shrewd yacht]

2 uranium fuel is 100 waste right

[meager kettle]

Yes

[shrewd yacht]

which then produces 2.5 plutonium that creates 25 waste that can be 12.5 Ficsonium rods?

[vapid gorge]

probalby depends on the recipoes you use

[meager kettle]

Not sure if 100 waste can make 2.5 plutonium. But otherwise yes

[shrewd yacht]

was able to enter that much to consume 100 uranium waste in the satisfactiory tools site

[vapid gorge]

alt recipes exist 🙂

[shrewd yacht]

all alts except conversions enabled

[vapid gorge]

again - we don't know which ones you used or what the tools would use

at least one alt for plutonium rods need excess uranium ore to pad it out for example

which is a giant waste imo. Needs a bunch of other things

[shrewd yacht]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ds1JNzSbAwMpFegcLwyT

[vapid gorge]

I mean yuo're using the alternate, it's a massive resource hog for more P rods.

[shrewd yacht]

I'm just trying to get a "small" thing going for my first attempt heh

[vapid gorge]

if you're cool with it, then it works for you

I would recommend then just building a decent sized uranium rod process then process the p rods as cheaply as possible and sink them

or use them in vehicles

[shrewd yacht]

ahh I see I can produce only one plutonium rod and still use all 100 waste

[meager kettle]

Fertile uranium is ok with such a small amount. Just keep in mind it severely limits how much uranium rods you can make to get more plutonium. And since plutonium is so expensive to process. Imo it's better to just make more uranium.

[shrewd yacht]

well I'm not going to use all uranium on the map anyway so...

I'm not that crazy 😛

but I see how it would be a bit smaller and simpler to make as few plutonium rods as possible from the waste

[meager kettle]

Also for your first attempt. I dunno if I would recommend mixing different recipes like that to make same item

[shrewd yacht]

mixing?

a lot of the items used would be coming from existing production

[meager kettle]

You're using both the plutonium pellet path and instant cells path to make the fuel rods

[shrewd yacht]

ahh that changed when I reduced to 1 rod per minute

unless you're talking about the non-fissle and fertile uranium before that

[meager kettle]

Didn't see if it used both of those. The planner is so cluttered

[shrewd yacht]

removing fertile uranium from the list reduce the production to 0.75 rods/minute

[meager kettle]

Yea it makes less plutonium

[shrewd yacht]

it does simplify the chain a lot

[meager kettle]

The big downsides of fertile only really come to play if you wanna use more than 954 uranium to make fuel rods

[shrewd yacht]

so to maximise power output its bad?

[meager kettle]

And if you wanna process/use said plutonium it's very costly on sam

For your small production it's fine

[shrewd yacht]

from what I can tell its the plutonium rods that do most of the generation in the full loop no?

[meager kettle]

But if you want to scale up. Fertile causes issues

[shrewd yacht]

Pretty sure Kibitz used it?

but hes crazy 😄

[meager kettle]

I wouldn't know

[shrewd yacht]

love to watch his videos on the insanity hes making

He just completed this full loop with an emergency setup in case things went wrong

and of course it has gone wrong a few times LOL

[meager kettle]

But max power from uranium is not using fertile. 2100U goes to 50.4 u rods then 22.4 Pu rods and 112 ficsonium rods. Makes 1490gw. The fertile part on same makes around 100gw less but needs just under 20.000 Sam to process. So you need almost all sloops on the map, think it was 92/106

For your 2 u rods/min fertile will work just fine

[shrewd yacht]

I was thinking of paving the swamp for the plant

and use the uranium in the cave there

I just need to figure out all the base stuff I need and what I need to transport and what can potentially be made locally

making it all locally is safer as I can isolate the circuit and make sure it is self sustaining

[rich tulip]

If I’m on mods am I allowed to ask math questions in here?

I’m trying to run numbers but I can’t figure out how many constructions I need

[jaunty sand]

I had the same idea except my game crashes and I get severe frame drops in the swamp

[orchid brook]

are these numbers close enogh? they should be 600

[fervent spire]

Probably. Plastic and rubber are particularly "bursty" in their production especially if you are using the recycled recipes, and the throughput monitor kinda never stabilizes in those situations

I've had some on for like several hours on my plastic line and it never actually stabilized, it still fluctuates

I think its accuracy is pretty heavily dependent on how much downtime there is between items

[orchid brook]

wdym by "downtime"? and ya same i left it on for like 30h by now i think and it never stablised i am just gone leave it like that until i start using them

[wind spade]

Given that it's a running average, it's not reliable enough to use for these cases imo

[unique cypress]

you'd have to average them over a much longer time than 1 minute to make sure

I prefer looking at the machines generally

[orchid brook]

Where do I look in the machines

And I left on for 30h by now and the numbers are always fro 570-600

[meager kettle]

check machines if they all at 100% efficiency, if one is not, find out why

[orchid brook]

Ok thanks

[meager kettle]

if you doign the plubber recycling, its a bit finicky to get it going, cause every component depend on each other, if one backs up the issues cascade down the line

so you might need to flush a bit, fill up inventories etc

but once its at 100% it stays there

[fervent spire]

Yeah what I ended up doing was creating a couple extra refineries to just take the HOR and turn it into petroleum coke and sink it, just so I could keep consistently producing polymer resin faster once the fuel lines had filled up. Then I just came back every few minutes and flushed the HOR pipe to speed it up. Once the rubber and polymer resin input manifolds were full, power off entire system, empty the non- fluid outputs manually, turn it all back on, works great

[unique cypress]

Whether they're running at the expected efficiency for the desired output

[orchid brook]

that is a lot

what i do is just fill the ref with plactic and rubber if they arent and if the fuel isnt reaching to the last ref i turn off a cople at the start and then turn them back on and slowly they started filling on ther own

[fervent spire]

Yeah I guess I could have filled them manually but my plastic and rubber storage was very far away and I didn't want to keep running back and forth and was working on another project near the plastic plant anyway lol

So just hopping over to flush the HOR pipe every ten minutes a few times was easy enough

[orchid brook]

so for example this line was low so i went to the ref filled it then went to the plactic line and filled that as well and i also have smart spliters here so there is never a back up of rubber

and thankfully its at zero... for now

and then go do something else then comback later and check on it

is 94%-93% uptime enough? cuz most if not all are at that

[vapid gorge]

yeah mean counters that are unreliable are unreliable? shocking

[fervent spire]

Oh I didn't even realize you could see uptime on machines lmao

[vapid gorge]

the uptime counter on machines are also unreliable

if it says 100? probably 100

if it says 97? also maybe actually 100

but who knows

[orchid brook]

so iam good just leave it on?

[fervent spire]

I think what I'm just gonna do is give it a buffer of like ~50 items/min from what I'm theoretically producing. Like all of this is gonna be shipped out by train to other factories, I'm producing 1800 out of each line here, I'll just only use at most 1750 elsewhere and sink the overflow just in case.

You're probably good

[orchid brook]

ya that is what i will do i am proudussing like 600 extra plactic and rubber

looking at it all of them are at 95% - 90% uptime

is there a mod that helps check numbers reliably?

[vapid gorge]

no, just stare at teh building lights for 30 seconds, you can look at the row and see if any stutter. Much more reliable than anything

[orchid brook]

wtf all of them turend off and on and they are all full with no build up?

[vapid gorge]

unless you're doing something very weird any unstable aspect to a system will show a stutter after 30 seconds

[orchid brook]

well is that just a bug?

[vapid gorge]

you have power switches on your grid and you're wearing a hover pack

known small bug

[orchid brook]

wdym i have perfect power?

[vapid gorge]

if you have any power switches on your grid, and you use a hover pack, it'll stutter systems

a power switch is an object

that you build, that can split grids

[orchid brook]

oh wait that might be the reason for the machiens not having 100% uptime

[vapid gorge]

maybe? but also the counters are just bad and unreliable

[orchid brook]

ya i have some

[thick plank]

generators should have 100% updtime as long as they have fuel. But Ive gotta admit, I never was able to make an oil setup work with 100% uptime

[orchid brook]

read my username

[thick plank]

yeah, me too

[vapid gorge]

it's not hard. Just keep to simple pipe rules and you avoid basically all issues

[orchid brook]

you do not know the pain i had to go threw to get that straight line

3 re-builds, 2 month, truma for the rest of my life

[vapid gorge]

some basics #math-and-meta message

[thick plank]

I have a row of refineries with 100% uptime feeding directly (no wierd piping) into a llarge buffer and then just straight pipe with fourway junctions into the generators, and I every now and then have to stop the generators and let the buffer fill up again or the system starts stuttering in and out

[vapid gorge]

yeah fluid buffers are flow murderers

one of the rules in the link. No buffers or valves

[thick plank]

I had it running without the Buffers and after 10 minutes it would always begin to stutter

[vapid gorge]

ok. You could show some overhead images and I could point to you the links to the basic rules if you like?

But there are some very simple methods to get very reliable piping. Very easily.

[orchid brook]

ya ya the power cut keeps happening every 23sec that has to be the reason cuz it lasts for a good 15sec

[thick plank]

It gets more of a problem the larger you build the setup, like I think I have about 50 generators on the same pipe with my main setup, but with smaller setups with only 20 or so I dont have those problems.

But TBH I havent actually played in about a year, so might be that by now its fixed

[orchid brook]

learend that the hard way

[thick plank]

dont have the game installed sadly

[vapid gorge]

lower flow systems can tolerate more bullshit

for example you can smack around 300 flow pipes just about any way you like

[thick plank]

but I intend to play it again by tomorrow (Just had a maths test today so I have time again)

[orchid brook]

or wait until 1.2 to have a fresh start

its in like 10 days

i think

[mint coral]

You have to be near the switch though ya?

And from what I read its mostly between to grids on active one not

[vapid gorge]

not sure honestly, haven't had switches in my world

[thick plank]

yeah.

A friend of mine joined my world and build my primary fuel power setup, and that one has more completely seperate pipes and it works perfectly, so I just never get near to it so the game cant decide to get fuyk wucky

[thick plank]

yeah thats the issue. I have this week and afterwards I have to stop playing it again cause I need to prepare for the next maths test

[mint coral]

From i have read it happens when your hover pack uses the switch as its power source and flops between the to nodes

[vapid gorge]

fair. feel free to ping me when you're doing fluids again

[orchid brook]

so remove the powersitches?

[vapid gorge]

if you care about it - unless you're doing very fancy things it won't break your system

[thick plank]

Sure thing, though my next setup will only require minimal fluids (Im planning on building a Unranium -> Plutonium fuel rods setup for clean power generation so I can power my higher tiers and intend to have the plutoniums shreddered until I have the Ficsonium rods

[vapid gorge]

other thigns in the game needs fluids 🙂

[orchid brook]

ya i wanna do a control room but when they fix it

[mint coral]

Im having fluid issues. Im at the point where I think either the game giving me the middle finger or my math is off. And I just need to step away

[orchid brook]

first option def

[thick plank]

I know, just not that specific setup.

Or well not as many. Though I do tend to use water in all my setups to the maximum ammount possible

but with water I basically never had any problems, I guess because with my setup im running 300 flow thorugh 600 pipes

[orchid brook]

same

ok bye guys

[thick plank]

bye bye

[vapid gorge]

make a post 🙂

[vapid gorge]

oh I know but you can use some easy methods to make all your systems reliable 🙂

[fervent spire]

I have 144 generators on the same pipe x4 of those setups and haven't had issues, I just underclocked 12 in each setup to let the pipes fill up and once they did the line has been rock solid ever since.
Had a similar setup with 40 gens on turbo fuel before switching to rocket and it also worked fine, so not anything with gas.

No buffers or valves anywhere, just make sure to sink excess byproduct of the fuel pipeline so nothing ever backs up and it's fine, that's probably the biggest culprit of issues. And I probably have a few extra pumps than I need but that's about it

[thick plank]

yup, the setup im having issues with was one of my first ones, by now I just follow the basic rule of engineering:

KISS

[mint coral]

Well last time this happened I logged in on my laptop at work and it just fixed itself.

I gave it the night and im caffinating atm. After I do some work ill turn it on and recheck my math.

If I can't figured it out ill have some folks look at my insane set up

[thick plank]

IDK what to tell you about that, Im happy that works for you

[orchid brook]

ok i am back

[oblique hollow]

Remember that any system at max flow will hiccup at game start no matter what

Not sure if thats the issue here

But something to keep in mind

[orchid brook]

i have 5 1,200 belts of iron ore and 9 train carts and dividing gives me 1.8 per cart how do i do that?

[vapid gorge]

yeah just ping me when you want 🙂

[thick plank]

WILCO

[fervent spire]

Manifold with overflow splitters should work? No need to combine belts even because there's 2 inputs to each car. Once the system is full I think the issue will be correctly pulling the right amount from the train at the destination

[orchid brook]

how do i do a manifold with overflow?

[vapid gorge]

prob just divide it up to 10 cars

[fervent spire]

Why not just use 10 cars or 5 cars and run more trains

[vapid gorge]

dedicate specific belts to specific cars - it'll make your life MUCH easier

[orchid brook]

i am minmaxing my space

[oblique hollow]

Why not use 5 cars

[vapid gorge]

do a 1:5 load balancer I guess then? and weep?

[orchid brook]

so 5 carts?

will 5 carts easy ok

[oblique hollow]

You have 2 belt connectors on them

[fervent spire]

5 cars and 2 trains is you need it for throughput is probably the easiest

[vapid gorge]

you'll need 2 trains doing the same loop with that much per platform

almost certainly

[oblique hollow]

If the roundtrip time is relatively short 1200 per car should be doable

[fervent spire]

With 1200 belts it might be too fast to maintain throughput so definitely 2 trains

[vapid gorge]

it would have to be VERY short before it fills up a car's worth of iron

[orchid brook]

can a train go threw another station?

[vapid gorge]

I mean sure?

[orchid brook]

like this?

[orchid brook]

its going to the dessert?

[vapid gorge]

I really wouldn't put them in series, one train would stop the other one from going ahead

[orchid brook]

will it be enough?

[oblique hollow]

From where?

Desert alone isnt enough info. wheres the start

[orchid brook]

i need the other train so i have to do it like that

[vapid gorge]

you could put it to the side

[vapid gorge]

you'll be adding a lot of travel time randomly doing it that way

[orchid brook]

only 2 foundations, i need 3 for a turn

[vapid gorge]

that has nothing to do with having trains stations next to each other rather than in front of each other

[orchid brook]

like it cant turn

[ionic sapphire]

inline stations are cursed anyways

[vapid gorge]

side by side

[orchid brook]

can 2 trains pull 10 full fraight carts up the steepst hill possible?

[orchid brook]

to lazy to rebuild it

[vapid gorge]

it's a lot more work leaving it but good luck.

there's always easy ways to do things

[mint coral]

For sure, im pushing 440 fuel though a mk2 pipe

[ionic sapphire]

the steepest hill is 90°

[orchid brook]

future me problem

[ionic sapphire]

and no train can drive that

[oblique hollow]

That shouldnt be an issue then

[orchid brook]

can that fit another platform and a junction right after?

[ionic sapphire]

looks like it

just measure

[orchid brook]

will lets see

[mint coral]

I've had some funky fluids this save.

I prefer doing things in smaller clusters then giant manifolds. As a result I often have 4 or more identical clusters.

In this case 3 of four identical clusters work perfect the fourth just doesn't want to cooperate

[orchid brook]

i think barly

[ionic sapphire]

so much is clear

[orchid brook]

i have to go

ya when i am back i will finish this

[fervent spire]

oh huh recycled rubber is actually slightly easier than recycled plastic, you don't need to feed the polymer resin product into the line

but I guess that means you have to manually feed to startup the loop

[vapid gorge]

? you can start both systems with residual rubber

use a better planner https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=W9n9UL6ilY29gd0ojv7M

[fervent spire]

yeah, I'll do that when I build the next one, but technically the plastic system doesn't need to be kickstarted because the polymer resin refineries will do it. it'll just take a while

....I use tools too.

[outer vale]

neither does the rubber, if you sent the residual rubber into the loop

[fervent spire]

true I guess you can disconnect it after some time for it to go back to +1800

[outer vale]

why disconnect anything?

[fervent spire]

but better to just input the rubber manually first

[vapid gorge]

? both need some stock of initial feed.

you could do either manually... I guess... If you don't want to use the resin

and just sink it

bit of a waste though

[outer vale]

on this, where you're just making 200 rubber from residual rubber and doing nothing with it (presumably means it's being stored), you could instead send that 200 into the loop, and take 200 more out of that final split

[fervent spire]

while the heavy oil and diluted fuel lines are filling up, it's producing polymer resin, so the reesidual rubber is being created without needing to manually feed anything. true for both systems, but once the HOR and fuel lines are full it starts moving WAY slower and only produces polymer resin when one of the recycled refineries actually starts up for a moment.

[mint coral]

@cinder silo system is manually fed startup only.

Apparently this makes it hard to shut down as well. If one part remains it multiples

[vapid gorge]

I've read this 3 times and I'm not sure what you're getting at. Overflow excess resin to a sink until the liquid lines fill?
is that what you were talking about?

[cinder silo]

Very irritating to shut down if trying to empty the loop unless you want to cut power then scour the belts for individual pieces instead of taking stacks out of the buffers, and yeah, rubber & plastic multiplies like a bad virus if you leave any while there is power.

[fervent spire]

no it's the other way around, the fuel line will fill up first and then stop producing resin, so you stop producing residual rubber and then the plastic refineries will be idling most of the time
I watched this happen yesterday when I set it up
now I know it's better to just manually load rubber into the refineries so you're starting more of the system, instead of just letting the polymer resin make some initial residual rubber, because if you do that it'll take FOREVER for the system to actually start running at max.

[vapid gorge]

as long as some resin is used the loop should start fine

[fervent spire]

feeding the residual rubber into the loop technically is enough to let the system work on its own but it'll take an eternity to fill up and start operating at full efficiency

[vapid gorge]

it's often multiple manifolds. Of course

[meager kettle]

took about an hour to start mine up with some flushes and shuffling materials around the refineries

[vapid gorge]

you'll often go rubber to plastic to rubber to plastic to rubber to plastic and so on.

many many manifolds that need to spin up

[meager kettle]

big issue is when they can't all run at the same time, one bit backs up and it just cascades down and it stops

[cinder silo]

This is the plan of one of the 23 platforms I have.

[teal tiger]

guys im trying to plan phase 5 so i can start building my megafactory, since i need to know beforehand how much throughput of ores i will need per minute from the trains, are those really all items that i need to automize?

[mint coral]

i trust Tools. if you did your research im sure it is right.

[wind spade]

my recommendation is to not build a megafactory

(and to not build ahead of time)

as for the plan, check what it shows, how much it needs, if you like the recipes or want different ones, etc.

recipes can change massively what resources and in what amounts you need

[mint coral]

we (this includes you) have said this many times lol. I also just repeated myself lol

[outer vale]

also where's the ballistic warp drives and AI Expansion Server

[mint coral]

is the biosculpter pase 5 too?

[outer vale]

yeah

was gonna say, does that have any actual spelevator parts

[mint coral]

@teal tiger you are missing stuff

[teal tiger]

yea i skipped the space elevator stuff cuz i normally never automize it and only craft it on demand, but in that case il add the ballistic warps since they are the item with the most points

[nocturne flower]

Does anyone have a sort of good solid read or video on what's genuinely best practice in contrast?

Personally I do find some fairly large independent systems make sense that may feed many others, but I'm back to preparing to finish phase 4 again in latest save and looking for ideas

[thick plank]

IMO theres no "Best" practice. You can build a megafactory if you like, you can build hyperlocalised production lines or you can do a middle path.

I usually decide on one specific endproduct and then try to get a good round number of inputs and thrn builf one big factory.

I also used to then connect those up to central storage using conveyor busses but with the dimensional storage thats not even required any longer

[nocturne flower]

That sounds pretty close to what my instincts say. I tend to isolate things minimally by biome, some biomes I consider too large to build just one factory there.

I aim to keep them mostly dedicated to a purpose and share certain outputs via drones or trains.

[thick plank]

Basically what I do as well.

My biggest world I have a basic resources hub in the grasslands, a massive Ammo Plant in the blue forest, a Oil+Aluminum setup onshore north of the waterfall and a fuel setup on the crater lakes

And building up a nuclear setup in the swamp but thats still in Planning

[nocturne flower]

Ok good deal, late game does get mildly overwhelming since good synergy gets a little lost with end game items

[nocturne flower]

I did see some good information on justifying swamp as nuclear power plant, but I have decided to use it for my aluminum, and atm I am intending to use it for processing all bauxite, that may not stick though. I'll probably use dune desert for nuclear.

I'm having some difficulty deciding where I really want to call my major steel production area. Thinking rocky desert.

[thick plank]

Sure thing.

But if you dont have an identical world to mine I will hunt you down

. /s

[nocturne flower]

LOL, well tough I suppose? Nah, I think the only true meta that should exist in games is having fun doing it. But it is good to share ideas to make life easier. That's why I came to the channel to ask a few questions.

[fervent spire]

what I have basically been doing is setting up a train line or two to bring resources to one location, and I'll just bring pretty much everything that's reasonably close by to that train line
so I have a ton more resources at that location now than I currently plan to use, and if I want to use more I'll just staple a new building off to the side and set up a factory there to process it.

so it's like not really a megafactory as much as a mega-resource hub

I'm not planning to use all of them at once and who knows if I ever will, but they're there if I want to just belt off to some open space and build with it

[thick plank]

Oh for sure!

Also there is one meta in the game that I will not be willing to discuss.

If you see a doggo you pet a doggo

[nocturne flower]

Yeah, I do like those concepts. I mix in truck stops depending on distance and terrain, but definitely do similar.

[fervent spire]

the one thing I do think ahead for is when bringing resources in, is planning for expansion to mk6 belts when I eventually get them. for this big train line in the red forest I just set up, I set up the belts and cars appropriately such that I will be able to upgrade the whole thing to mk6 belts and get 16 belts of 1200 resources into the hub. right now they are just 16 belts of 780 (because I just got mk3 miners, before the mk3 miners, it was 16 belts of 600)

so when I'm thinking of my factories to use those resources over at the train hub, I'm planning with multiples of 600 in mind. e.g. for bauxite I'm gonna use production lines of 1800 bauxite and scale those accordingly
so it can easily scale up when I get the mk6 belts, I just add more of the same

[nocturne flower]

Yeah, I've done a different strategy that's similar this time around. I've been blocking out more and larger train stations than I anticipate at all of my long term permanent locations. I haven't been defining what each will do until I am ready to use them. They're essentially just placeholders until I know their purpose keeping me from building in that area at all.

[fervent spire]

I need to sit down and think about how I want to build the more complicated items to be more scalable though.
for example I have heavy modular frames building at 11.75/min right now and it's in a factory that's gonna be really hard to scale or just duplicate.
so what I am thinking is trying to find the "smallest but most reasonable" component I can produce in a modular+scalable way, build mini-factories of those, and then ship them over to the final component assembly location

right now I think those components are gonna be HMFs and radio control units. finding a good place to build large production facilities of those two is my next big goal once I finish the aluminum and plastic plant I'm working on now

I also honestly might have a train feeding into another train eventually lol, depending on my resource needs

e.g. that 16 belts of resources I mentioned are a ton of limestone, bauxite, coal, and a couple quartz notes. but if I decide I don't want to use silica in aluminum once I get mk6 belts, I'll have 1200 spare quartz coming into this factory that I don't need, so I could just ship it out somewhere else

[nocturne flower]

Yeah similar boat in my playthrough as well. Something I have adopted in my last couple playthroughs that I have grown to like more and more... when I unlocked HMF and a few other similar parts I just build them somewhere I know isn't permanent just to get them automated until I later build the actual HMF production later.

Keeping the permanent locations open until I am ready to actually start them helps, but I do tend to try to get foundations laid out at permanent locations as early as possible.

[fervent spire]

and this also ties into how I'm thinking of train cars and what each one is going to use. e.g. once I find a place for producing the radio control units, I will need to send plastic and aluminum over to that location from this factory. so I will probably leave a spare train car available to load quartz into it for scalability in the future

[nocturne flower]

Radio control units are one of my least favorite parts to get automated haha. But I like my plan this go around. I generally like to mass produce crystal oscillators along with my computers and super computers. I tend to wait to long to get that fully proper, this time I'm gonna change it up and increase the volume I'm already automating there and use a drone to move them to my aluminum facility to finish into radio control units.

Trying to reduce the overall quartz dependency of my aluminum factory. Just missing the alt recipes to really do that yet

In short gonna try to get them automated a lot earlier in the playthrough by adopting the long term logistics plan for them ASAP even if not maximized

[thick plank]

Thats why I really like building far too much of the basic resources. Its so I can just do a small prosuction line for these kinds of objects without having to worry abput the maths

[nocturne flower]

Yeah I like your thought process. Consolidating resource availability definitely adds options to do something easier on the fly

[fervent spire]

the complicated part here is finding the right line to draw for what counts as a "basic resource" imo lol

[thick plank]

And thats where my psychosis kicks in:

I dont centralize.

I have had production lines where I built a conveyor bus through three biomes just to fuel a production line

[fervent spire]

e.g. do I produce radio control units in one place? or do I produce crystal oscillators en masse and make radio control units out of those? both? I could probably get away with doing both in one location but it narrows down the location choices and might change depending on what recipes I'm using

[thick plank]

I guess actually 4 come to think of it

[fervent spire]

lots of things to think about

[thick plank]

Yeah thats true.

In my biggest world so far ive done that for plates, reinforced plates, screws, rods, copper plates, copper wire and cable

[nocturne flower]

And this is why satisfactory is the neverending OCD game of all time.

[fervent spire]

I have legit spent more time staring at the interactive map planning out where things are gonna go than actually planning what the individual factories need to do lmao

[thick plank]

As well as rubber, plastic, water and aluminum

Though my aluminum plant needs a massive expansion tbh

[fervent spire]

so this is the thing, I actually don't like shipping these resources around the world, I would prefer to go one step further in a lot of their production before shipping them
e.g. I'd ship the frames, motors, etc. rather than the plates/rods/etc.
but that's kinda the whole point of finding that line for what works with your plans

aluminum ingot, plastic, and rubber are probably the "lowest" I will go with exporting things to the train line. and even with the ingots I might make them into casings onsite before shipping them out too

[thick plank]

Oh for sure, same here. Like I will do the prodzction lines that need only those resources at the location im producing them amd then ship the advanced products to a central location for advanced assembly

[thick plank]

Oh I dont use trains

I use conveyor busses

[nocturne flower]

I guess I'm the more dissenting opinion here then, I only use trains to move raw resources 99% of the time. Sometimes I'll move ingots or maybe iron plates, but a lot of products I prefer to make at their destination.

But this is because I do tend to use belts and trucks for a lot of nearby stuff, and if I have excess or the local facility doesn't need a resource I'll move it where I actually process it.

I've debated a lot on moving ingots more, but tend to land on raw resources all the same

[wind crown]

If we assume you get nuclear power eventually when unlocking it, how much oil would you guys say a pioneer needs?

[fervent spire]

This has worked for me so far but it's starting to fall short now that I'm planning for later phase 4 and almost certainly into phase 5. I can't reasonably make supercomputers or cooling units or fused modular frames in one location, so I'm taking a step back and finding locations for HMF and radio control units instead.

But then, I need plastic rubber and aluminum for those. And it's WAY easier to ship plastic rubber and aluminum over to the HMF and radio control unit locations vs ship a million iron copper and caterium to the plastic plant

[mint coral]

end game power is often Nitro Rocket fuel (oil based) or Nuclear (uranium based) how much oil you use dpeends on your choices

to be clear you can beat the game just on regular fuel

[fervent spire]

I'm making like close to 300GW out of nitro rocket fuel and I can probably beat the game on that alone, but I'm planning to make nuclear eventually for fun

[wind crown]

Planning on restricting myself to no overcloxking of oil (or maybe even under clocking at 75%) but it’s been a while since I played so just wanna make sure it’s not gonna be too strenuous to produce power plastic and rubber

Also planning on producing triple the elevator parts so will need a good bit of resources and power

[mint coral]

well youll have to do some math for your challenge run lol

[wind crown]

I feel like tapping a few oil spots around the map and running at 100% should be good?

[wind spade]

Independency is indeed one of my recommendation, hence why I don't recommend megafactory

[wind crown]

Pre-emptive math is a bit boring for me, but I’ll definitely do a lot of math during the run

[mint coral]

Okay fuel barge fuel line 4 has been rebuilt for the 7th time. Hopefully this solves the issues. If not its time to ask the community

[fervent spire]

so it is impossible for a single train car to throughput at max belt speed, right?
e.g. I have a miner producing 780, it will be impossible to get 780 out of it on the other end of a train with just a single car?

[meager kettle]

no

depending on distance, it can depend, but 780 shouldnt be a big issue

[shrewd eagle]

Why does the Pathfinder take damage from poison gas while wearing a helmet?

[fervent spire]

I thought the industrial storage unit buffering would be enough but it seems like it's not....? lemme see how I should calculate this

[meager kettle]

worst case, make 2nd train

the freight terminal shows the thruput

[fervent spire]

is it accurate?

it's sowing 679 which feels lower than I think it should be, but lemme measure the round trip time again and calculate

[meager kettle]

it is after a few trips

place a sink and just sink what arrives for 5-6 trips

then you should have an accurate number

[fervent spire]

ok my math is giving me 673. guess the trip needs to be pretty short to compensate for the loading/unloading time

it feels like the route is too short for multiple trains but I guess not lol, hopefully it won't be too crammed to have 4 trains on this line

[mint coral]

Pov.

You are at work "working on power "

[fervent spire]

I guess the easy way to add a train is to sit at a station, wait for a train to show up, and as soon as it leaves build the new one and send it along

[mint coral]

You could use two stations on both ends with two separate rail lines. Splitting the input/output between them

Or...
Just run a belt such a short distance

[meager kettle]

wait until the first train is at the destination before you enable selfdriving on 2nd one so they as far apart they can be

[fervent spire]

it's a 3:18 round trip time, so it's not short enough for belt

[fervent spire]

lol this feels silly but it'll work xD

[meager kettle]

its just temporary :p

[fervent spire]

I did what I mentioned and PURELY coincidentally the trains have managed to space themselves precisely such that one arrives at one station when the other leaves the other

I'm a god

[mint coral]

Anyone ever have shrowdingers fluids? Last night I left the game running with the power overlay up for two hours. I alt+tabbed leaving the game running on monitor 1 and work on monitor 2 with no issues.

So I left to the opposite side of the map and suddenly my power is fluctuating.

Lol I felt like I was going crazy.

[fervent spire]

but yeah now that I think about it, this timing is probably about the shortest I would want to deal with trains if I want super high throughput (e.g. approaching belt capacity)

[fervent spire]

......I think the throughput actually got WORSE? now I'm really confused

OH WAIT. I should double belt from the freight platform into the storage buffer, even if I am only single belting out of the storage buffer. I think right now the round trip time of the train is kinda short enough such that double train = double freight platform downtime = lower throughput

[wooden radish]

that would create stockpile yes

[fervent spire]

well I think it's also required with this train route being relatively short. I'm running a 780 belt out of the storage buffer to a sink for testing this, and after I added the second train, the storage buffer was actually slowly losing stacks of stockpile, a couple per trip
I think it's because due to the extra freight platform downtime, the train car was not unloading enough stacks from each train to cover for that

[safe bridge]

why does this happen when i place an awesome sink down somewhere?

you can see the complete outline, but not the whole sink

[fervent spire]

okay yeah looks like double belting into the storage container has now made it fill back up and I'm back to having consistent stockpile to be consumed by the 780 belt.

sweet, throughput issues solved

[mint coral]

This happens sometime. Saving then loading your save fixes it

[safe bridge]

i also just found out that when i hooked the power to it restores the whole image

but thanks

[mint coral]

@jade cedar each one of these 6 machines need 40 parts/min 6x40=240.

im feeding it 360/min so no issues (the excess are being sent elsewhere)

[jade cedar]

Ohhhh ok

[mint coral]

@lone parrot if you ever question how much power you are generating its says here

[lone parrot]

All right! 👍✨

[somber sedge]

i was really struggling with getting my long ass train to make a U turn without clogging everything up

eventually realized that THIS was the solution

its- wipes tear beautifull...

[drowsy prairie]

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[main lagoon]

@glass gate

[mint coral]

have you thought about designing your train station more like this so you dont need to turn around

#math-and-meta message

[wind spade]

you shouldn't need U-turn in the first place

[somber sedge]

i need the trains to go the same way they come tho

[wind spade]

then build the red rail

[somber sedge]

did that

theres one train thats 6 freights + 2 engines long

[wind spade]

length of the train shouldn't matter

[somber sedge]

its so long that when it makes a turn, the other trains get stuck

train A cant move because train B is in its way, train B cant move because train A is in its way

[wind spade]

that will always happen, once it clears the block, the other trains can go

[somber sedge]

that sorta deal

[wind spade]

bad signalling then

[somber sedge]

no its that theyres physically not enough space

[wind spade]

use path signals

they don't allow train into a block unless it can leave the block

[somber sedge]

theres always 2 or 3 trains that get stuck in this sorta loop

[wind spade]

yeah, use path signals

[somber sedge]

im confused

how will that help

[wind spade]

the train won't stay in the block

[somber sedge]

i ultimatly made the U turn like this so theres so much space that the trains wont lock now

[wind spade]

because it will either enter and then leave, or not enter at all

[somber sedge]

i do use path signals

but like, even if ur using a path signal. a train cant go in if theres already a train there

i dont see how path signals are supposed to help

[wind spade]

blue = path
red = block

also you're putting block signals too often tbh

[naive sand]

if there's a place where a train would be blocking other train movement if it was stopped, then that's why you put a path signal down. To make it stop and wait before it gets into the stuck zone.

It keeps an open pathway for your other long train to go out and leave, then once that's done the first train waiting at the path kicks in and moves up

A good general rule when it comes to block signals is to only put them down as often as your train is long. Don't put blocks down every 4 foundations long if your train is longer than that

[somber sedge]

heres an example of what usually happens (i placed these trains manually here to show my point)

[wind spade]

yeah, use the layout I shared or any similar

[somber sedge]

yup, exact setup ive been using

[wind spade]

no, you have extra signals in between

[somber sedge]

those are bad?

[naive sand]

get rid of those extras, THAT is your problem

[somber sedge]

i thought more signals means better

[wind spade]

yes, because train can stop there. Cannot in my case

[naive sand]

nooooooo

[wind spade]

you should have block signals only in places where it's safe for a train to stop

aka it won't block any junction

if not, then put path signal before, so that the train won't stop at the block signal

[naive sand]

exactly that, and as said usually with enough space for a train to fully fit inside and not over multiple blocks

[wind spade]

that isn't really necessary

[naive sand]

I s'pose it isn't, I just got into that habit

[somber sedge]

question, i can still see your setup can hypothetically get blocked

[wind spade]

as long as it cannot block anything when stopped, you can place the signals anywhere

[naive sand]

it certainly hasn't caused me any problems

do you have more than 1 train going to this station?

[wind spade]

no, because:

• the two trains not at stations are in the same block
• neither of them will enter that block anyway, due to the path signal

this path signal will only allow the train to continue, if it can exit the block
(aka the green block must be free if it goes to station, or the yellow block must be free if it continues on)

[somber sedge]

is this it?

[meager kettle]

kinda why there are path signals

[wind spade]

yeah

[somber sedge]

thanks!

ill let u know if it blocks up

btw thoughts on having block signals inside the station?

[meager kettle]

no

[wind spade]

can't really put them on platforms afaik

[meager kettle]

not sure it lets you place them there tbh

[wind spade]

and yeah, rather do less signals than more

[somber sedge]

so this is bad?

[meager kettle]

i've never done it, so i dont actually know what'll happen, but i can't really see a scenario where that would do anything beneficial

[wind spade]

yeah

why would you do so

[somber sedge]

update:

[wind spade]

is that one of the hand placed train?

[somber sedge]

nope

ig the block signals in the middle were actively preventing this exact thing from happening

[wind spade]

well I see the signals in platforms, so I would remove those

[somber sedge]

yes i was removing them when it happened

[wind spade]

well that could be the issue

try it again with them removed

[somber sedge]

also i have a mod that makes the trains go 7x their normal speed

i thought that was important to mention

[wind spade]

possibly you removed a signal which made some train recalculate blocks wrong or something

and no, if you have signals, trains should never collide

[meager kettle]

trains will stop instantly if a signal turns red on it

[wind spade]

yeah but who knows how it behaves when you remove signals in actively used setup

[meager kettle]

yea, its not a good idea to remove signals while trains are using em

[somber sedge]

alright i think this is working better

thanks guys

[tight karma]

so, there should be quarts here, but there isnt. I also cant find a cave

[outer vale]

the entrances are a good way away

[meager kettle]

theres 4 entrances to it. one near the water between northern forest and rocky desert to the east. one near the sulfur node to the northwest, and two kinda hidden ones along north coast

[tight karma]

damn, so its kindd of a pain to get it out i assume?

[outer vale]

note the western coast entrance is blocked by rocks IIRC, so bring explosives if you want to go that way

[tight karma]

also, I'm assuming spiders live there?

[outer vale]

spiders generally like caves

[meager kettle]

yea west one needs explosives

one of the north ones too

[tight karma]

i guess I'll get my quarts elsewhere

explosives arent an issue...

well not yet at least

[naive sand]

if you're not bothered about clipping through terrain, you could do a tall elevator belt from the roof of the cave to the surface

memory serves, it's just about in range to do without needing to clip through the terrain yourself

[tight karma]

I might do that, I'm normally pedantiic about belt clipping but I can live with that

[outer vale]

yeah that's what I normally do there, wrap it up in some walls/foundations so I can't see the clipping at least

[tight karma]

is the west cave entreance near those two markers?

[outer vale]

yes

[tight karma]

hmmmm

that's where I'm gonna be gettiing my coal anyway

[lyric sinew]

im thriving boys starting to put it together slowly got my screws back there working on copper wire and cable now

[somber sedge]

whats a reasonable thruput i should be using drones for?

[mint coral]

i use them for low through put items. Nuclear Rods, Pahse parts, Compression Cubes, Nucleat pasta

they only carry 9 stacks but dont care about the terrain

[somber sedge]

hmmm

im using 2 drones rn for bringing in 600 alclad casing

is that good??

[wind spade]

does it do the job?

if yes, it's good

[somber sedge]

im not sure...

eh its fine ig

[wind spade]

then how can we tell you if it's good? 😛

[somber sedge]

nvm

[ripe mango]

FML. Just finished a glorious 10 HMF/min factory and started priming all the lines only to realise I didn't account for balancing component overflow. Now I need to decide whether I do some under-floor balancers or just get Aluminium up and running for better belts >_<

[wind spade]

or ditch balancers 😛

[somber sedge]

unrelated but i made my radio and cooling unit factory in the same building, now i can reconfigure this factory to produce Super-computers or Turbo motos

i think im pretty smart for that

[heady sun]

i heard that pipes cant be relied on to always run at max throughput, is that true

[meager kettle]

No

[wind spade]

people can't be relied on to build pipes correctly

[vapid gorge]

the biggest issue is they aren't belts - and people treat them that way.
if you treat them like pipes they work fine and there's simple methods to get reliable flow 🙂

[wispy sentinel]

question i'm just curious do you guys put your notes on a piece of paper Or? just draw on a ipad/ on the computer (notes /mathematics For this game) or just solely use this Channel?

[vapid gorge]

for little things that just need to be used right then? often just scribble a note
for thigns I'll need to look up later I make pages in a spread sheet

[mint coral]

note pad for quick math and such spreadsheets for factories

[wispy sentinel]

i see thats fire thanks

[vapid gorge]

Generally I'll create plans on https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

save urls to the spread sheet
and use pages to further break down factories
(this is only for fancy, post phase 5 stuff though, not nearly that much effort before then )

[wispy sentinel]

you don't prefer to draw them? i think notepad is bad for math (like no offense but what i mean is its odd for me that its all line by line i don't know how to explain it fully) to be honest but thats my opinoin Thanks

[wispy sentinel]

OHHH i never knew this existed i'm not at phase 5 yet but it looks sick thank you brodie

[vapid gorge]

for example I'll take notes and images when planning a layout

and take short hand notes as to how much is comming from where
this might be nonsense to you but you'd create your own short hand

[wispy sentinel]

this seems so complicated for me loll at least this game increases in complexity easily

[mint coral]

i mean a physical note pad. pencil and paper lol

layout doesnt concern me i can do that mentally

[wispy sentinel]

Oh lolll sorryy i just be asking you people cuz i thought it would be weird to use a pencil and paper

[mint coral]

i use spreadsheets to kkep track of what each factory is doing so i know what resources are being made and where they are going

[somber sedge]

How come satisfactory modellee never gets mentioned in these discussions

[mint coral]

A lot of us dont use it and its not really usefull for console players

[wispy sentinel]

ooo this gives me an idea of what i can use spreadsheets for tyty

[somber sedge]

Why not for console players?

[mint coral]

need steam to install it. Spreadsheets and Tools just needs a phone

[somber sedge]

I see

[somber sedge]

And what about the first statement. Why don't a lot of you use it?

[mint coral]

i just need the raw numbers to figure out what i need i can visualize the placement of machines in my head.

modeler just adds more steps.

even if i didn't use spreadsheets and i just used Tools i can visualize how much space 26 constructors need, or 17 manufacturers so making all these things in modeler is just wasted time and effort

this is just me i cannot speak for others

[dusky dust]

To be fair, I tend to mention Modeller even though I also don't use it. It's a popular tool, after all! :D

Though indeed, a lot of console users don't have an actual PC, so web apps tend to be a lot more useful in those cases

[mint coral]

same i do mention tools SCIM and modeler.

i often push for ppl to do the early stufff manually though

[somber sedge]

I see. Thank you for your opinion. I wanted to know because I use the modeller for everything and could not even imagine playing without it, so a different opinion was appreciated

[dusky dust]

Very weirdly, the idealized technological revolution of the 90s mostly led us to locked-in phones and appliances rather than Digital Freedom Everywhere™. Alas!

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah to you it's nonsense, but I know what it is because I wrote it xD

when you take notes you'll do it in a way that makes sense to you

[mint coral]

co owkrer tried to read me satisfactory notepad on friday, he thought it was advanced math lol

just my rough notes lol

[dusky dust]

In the end, of course, as usual: Modeller and sftools (or more generally: planners/modellers and solvers/calculators) solve very different problems in the end. They're not really in competition with each other; some folks may just find they have greater need for one or the other. Or some folks use them in concert, together! sftools (or whatever) to solve for factory lines and then modeller (or whatever) to do pre-game planning/layout

[wispy sentinel]

fair enough i mean thats hwy i can understand my factory but not other's loll

[dusky dust]

(I still wish that Modeller's graphs were about a million times better at conveying information to non-Modeller users, but I swear I won't get started on that again. :D)

[vapid gorge]

I just wish it was a planner rather than a manual layout program with zero lables that you have to completely break apart if you want to change a single recipe

[vapid gorge]

@long bridge Bottom refineries are solution, top are scrap, blue line is fresh red is waste

the difference is the blue and red just aren't linked. You could link them up and try to get it to work but it's like bottom feeding pipes. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1347741162018046083/1347747308623892551/image.png?ex=69b020be&is=69aecf3e&hm=869f9e101d9e70a775395595877387b1898f8353e00ce35809ec499d6c359427&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

this has the added benefit that you shouldn't need to manually flush the system to restart it if the process stops at all

[long bridge]

okay good to know. I will do something like that then! Thank you

[vapid gorge]

no prob 🙂
another added benefit is that eventually there's gas byproduct and you really don't want to mix the fresh and waste with that. Gas tries to equalise and I've seen some disasters

[long bridge]

oh... good to know

[vapid gorge]

and just to be clear, with liquids it is possible to feed waste into fresh... but it's tricky and finicky. It depends on how you want to approach it.
I just don't see any real added benefit to mixing.
You might save a couple machines on the machine count for large systems I guess?

but as an example processing 1200 bauxite with Sloppy + electrode recipes you can get a very compact system going

I'm talking about this alot btw because a lot of people have issues with alum at the start xD

[fervent spire]

I did a recycle system with my first small aluminum refinery and it worked fine but I'm not doing it for the more large-scale ones I'm working on now

some of the ratios do get a bit wonky though depending on what recipe you're using

[vapid gorge]

ratios are pretty meaningless as clocking exists :\

[fervent spire]

e.g. here I'm using sloppy alumina -> alumina scrap, and that means the 9 scrap refineries can feed 5 sloppy alumina refineries with 80 overflow water going into a wet concrete sink.
but this consumes 1800 bauxite neatly

just because clocking exists doesn't mean you don't still have to consider pipe limits....
it's much easier to say "just clock it" for only belt-fed machines but with pipes you need to figure out the specific ratios between machines or properly manifold the reflow pipe.

[vapid gorge]

same applies to belts - always gotta keep in mind logistic maximums. Just a different number to adhere to

[fervent spire]

I still don't think clocking machines is the easy solution when it's much simpler to just look at the ratios and overflow a bit of the water (which you'll have to do anyway if you want to avoid adding fresh water into the system)

you really want to do the math on how to overclock some refineries so that an even number of refineries consumes 1260 water, and underclock the remaining ones to run on fresh water while still producing 1260 out of the scrap refineries?
or just realize that 1260 water feeds 4 machines with 60 overflow, pipe the output from the scrap refineries into 4 of the alumina solution ones + 60 wet concrete, and feed the rest with fresh?
imo that's way more straightforward and also easier to debug if something goes wrong

[vapid gorge]

You don't have to over flow water at all

uses a bit of fresh water and all the waste

Unless you're slooping the scrap - and in that case I have zero sympathy for people

[fervent spire]

yes, this works with a specific combination of recipes at a particular scale of machines. you change the recipes, or change how much bauxite you want to process, and it's not so simple.
3:2 works with normal alumina solution -> normal alumina scrap recipe
if you're using other recipes, if you clock the same number of machines to make the water ratios work, then the amount of bauxite consumed or scrap produced start to get weird instead.

[vapid gorge]

it works with any of the recipe combos and at basically any realistic scale

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1286300794311938099/1286343954157277307/alum_options.png?ex=69b034a9&is=69aee329&hm=fa8134da044d5328a69aa8ea5b113fe9d1ae6830e082e5d8814aa668477a1cd2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=934&height=1320

now this is a simplified diagram, but you can easily clock the machines to be more compact

the machines in the diagram are clocked to 100% unless there's left over for ease of understanding

the only scale where it coule even be considered a little awkward is at very tiny scales where you're processing less than 1 refinerie's worth of solution becaues then you need to have 2 very lock clocked refs. But those are edge cases.

and that's ... not actually awkward. Just takes a bit more space but if you're scale is THAT small it's not a real issue

so even the edge case isn't real

[swift fulcrum]

Just use pure aluminium ingots = problem solved 🤣

[vapid gorge]

nah that doesn't impact the solution scrap chain xD

[heady sun]

how often does it update how many it sends on each belt

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch belt_counter

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=belt_counter

[vapid gorge]

should have that info on teh wiki but I don't expect it does

[heady sun]

didnt see it

i was thinking if it decides the amount on each belt when you place it and then doesnt change it, you could theoretically use them as true smart splitters

it would just take a lot of trial and error

[vapid gorge]

1. ratio splitters are stupid
2. you're better off just mathing things

because you'd still have to do a complex series of mergers and splitters

and honestly with all the bottom feeding and buffers you've gotten strewn around I'd expect the set up to be on the wonky side

and you can't really explain over complex systems

[tight karma]

II see we talking alumiinimuniminiium, just made my first plant today

I built this to unlock more tier 7 stuff before I tear it down again and build one gigantic plant just making as much aluminium as i can get from were it is.

It's processing just 240 baux a min atm from a non overclocked pure node, and i ave oone more pure node and one more normal node nearby. and plenty of coal and quarts as well. although i'll have to safari some more because I kinda want the alu alts

[summer flare]

Could you please give me an example of "weird"amounts so I can look at later. Bauxite distributions for various recipes I have for this situation work out to be 1:2, 3:2 or 7:3, so no problem.

[ripe mango]

Any recommendations for a first starter Aluminium factory?

[vapid gorge]

find a spot with either coal or oil. possibly get the pure ingot recipe so you don't have to bring in silica

[orchid brook]

how would i signle this?

[ionic sapphire]

can you pls just learn signals
otherwise its just us playing the game for you

[orchid brook]

ya i am trying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf2Siju3xmQ&list=PLp-Rzp1wzlKe5pkgHQueW5k6-WrdTTjdo&index=1

[vapid gorge]

blocks

this may cause issues as it's not flat

[orchid brook]

look

[orchid brook]

i made this

i am proud of myself

[vapid gorge]

sure. You doubled up on signals bottom and right though

[orchid brook]

ya but it souldnt matter

its like a wall between the junction and the other parts

[vapid gorge]

the first ones do that 🙂

[ionic sapphire]

this totally matters

it might break the whole thing completly

i cant tell apart signals yet just from looking at them though

[orchid brook]

white are path, black are block

ok removed them

ok block signle on the staions and path heading out, right?

everything is green and i am happy

[unique cypress]

Also learn how to build intersections that are easy to signal
My entire network only has basic-ass T and X intersections
And for some reason people who don't know signals always built complicated setups and then ask for help instead of just building something that's easy to manage

[orchid brook]

Ok i will try

[merry sedge]

general rule of thumb with any intersection is ''path in, block out''

if the ''signal loops into itself'' you might have placed one or two too close to the intersection itself

[orchid brook]

ok thanks

is it normal to have one be super low and the next one is full? like these are right next to each other if so how do i fix it

[merry sedge]

try turning it off for a min, so the pipe can fully fill up

[orchid brook]

ok

[merry sedge]

after a min or so or you think the pipe is full turn it on again

it will go faster if you turn off all the fuel input machines