math-and-meta

[wind spade]

without having to do "how to hook 7 belts into 11 inputs"

[slate jackal]

If I have 20 refineries eating 576 oil (10 on each side) and feed it from 1 end... would the length of the pipe manifold cause issues?

[oblique hollow]

No, the length doesn't matter in this case.
You will experience flow interruptions at the first junction

Because you are at high flow speeds and it will be a very uneven split

[slate jackal]

Hm.. tbh even if the end refineries were lacking oil it was a very even split 🤔 I forgot to add extra looping too, let's see if this helps

[oblique hollow]

Loops are even splits

Or pretty close to one

Feeding a basically full mk 2 in from one end without a loop is an uneven split, without exception

[slate jackal]

I had it like this and added the ones marked red, so far seems to work (ignore the tower abomination, it's just an up and down pipe with rest for deco)

[oblique hollow]

Ah, that changes it then

The loop shouldnt be needed here as the refineries are indeed set up evenly

IF you feed from the middle point on one end

[slate jackal]

Makes sense

[mint coral]

ew get this shit out of here @abstract merlin

[slender sundial]

how do i transport like 12 fuel rods/min to 50 nuclear reactors?

how do i split it

[oblique hollow]

balancing might not be feasible here.
you can manifold it and wait 50 years for them to all fill up

[slender sundial]

thought so

[glass flicker]

@slender sundial which fuel rods?

[slender sundial]

uranium fuel rods

i might just add a small buffer after production line and let the plants fill up before i start them

[glass flicker]

12 uranium rods per minute feed 60 reactors at 100%

[slender sundial]

i overclock @ 250%

[glass flicker]

so that feeds 24 reactors

so I think your 50 reactors number is wrong

[slender sundial]

forgot to edit, i chose 24 after i wrote that my bad

[glass flicker]

12 split into 24 is easy 😄

[unique cypress]

It's always 4 hours or less if you fill the reactors when they're empty

[tribal sun]

Getting back on the grind with the goal of 8 thermal propulsion rockets per minute. Wish me luck cause I'll need it

Actually I dont want to be making more fused modular frames. I've been through that hell before so im only going to do 6 per minute

[slate jackal]

Am I correct in assuming that if filling up the freight platform takes more time than the round trip of the train, then the throughput is equal to what is produced? 🤔

[oblique hollow]

gotta consider the 27 lockdown time in there

if it isnt full and the belts / pipes have time to catch up after losing 27 seconds of throughput into or out of the platform - then yes, throughout is as much as you put in

[slate jackal]

Hmm.. I'm guessing that with max production of 600 and mk5 belt it should catch up

[vapid gorge]

you can generally get away with a bit less than 1 belt per platform if you want to avoid maths

[somber sedge]

what....

sometimes this game just feels like a try not to quit simulator

[vapid gorge]

use copper alloy then and have like 250 foundries instead

[somber sedge]

wiki says theres only 33,000 copper in the game

should i be using 9,600 on nucleat pasta

is that a good idea

[vapid gorge]

up to you

if yo uwant to make that a personal project you could decide to do it in a godzilla stature made of beams

[somber sedge]

i js dont wanna regret anything 200 hours down the line

[vapid gorge]

and it wouldn't be 'wrong'

it's a sandbox game - gotta choose whatever projects you think will be fun

I can't tell you what you'll enjoy

[somber sedge]

im looking at the alternates, i dont particularly care about power but i care about resouces used and maybe amount of buildings aswell

i think i should go for the sulfer one

[vapid gorge]

there's lots of iron on the map. Burn it all

[somber sedge]

hm true

[vapid gorge]

and OC all the foundries so you only need to build 100 of them

[somber sedge]

theres 10,800 sulfer on the map

[somber sedge]

wouldnt that be very power intense

[vapid gorge]

tehre is . But refineries

[vapid gorge]

OCing a system fully only uses +34% more power

[somber sedge]

what

even at 250%??

[vapid gorge]

if you have 2 identical output/recipe systems
and one is fully OCed to 250% , it only uses 34% more power than the other

[somber sedge]

That's bad game design then no??? Doesn't that incentives me to use over clocked machines rather than more machines

Like if j need 2 blenders I could just overclock one

That kinda ruins the balance of the game cuz it's supposed to be like

Ur choosing between more space or more power

[cedar folio]

It is how it runs. 1 Foundry at 100% uses 16mw. a foundry at 200% uses 40mw. More than running 2 foundries at 100% would use. That 34% power difference is per item, not per machine.

[vapid gorge]

Why is it bad? Sill more energy cost abd you need shards

You save space, costs more power

Just not an ass ton

[vapid gorge]

@barren pollen reusing the waste water without mixing

Top refs are scrap, bottom solution

[barren pollen]

Hm alright

I’m just trying to work through this

Mistra suggested I just completely take out the factor of water into my rocket fuel factory from the aluminium and make them separate

[barren pollen]

Which might be smart ngl

[vapid gorge]

Example diagrams of the various recipe combos if that helps

[vapid gorge]

So in general you want to keep your fluid systems as independent from each other as possible much easier to trouble shoot

[barren pollen]

My question is do you need to do a closed loop though

[vapid gorge]

Wdym by closed loop?
The solution refineries are two sections of machines that just consul water on their own

They still have a fresh water input

[barren pollen]

As in feeding it back to the machines

[vapid gorge]

Only if you want to reuse the water there

Some people make wet concrete and sink it

Effectively the same thing as this loop but you need more water and limestone

For no real benefit

[barren pollen]

I don’t feel like I need to reuse the water, hence why I wanted to make a rocket fuel factory out of it

Don’t mind the fused modular frames

[vapid gorge]

So you’re still using the water, why not in the same location instead of elsewhere?

The reason you don’t want to interlink systems is because it becomes MUCH harder to trouble shoot problems

[barren pollen]

It’s all in the same location

It’s in the top north of the map

[vapid gorge]

MUCH MUCH harder

[barren pollen]

Hm so separating the factories all together would be a good idea?

[vapid gorge]

And if one thing hiccups it then hiccups everything

[vapid gorge]

If you want to spend much less time fixing issues?
Yes

It’s also simpler to design

[barren pollen]

That’s fair

It might just be the better option

But the HOR shouldn’t be an issue no? I just make the water go elsewhere

[vapid gorge]

Now you can interlink everything and make it work - I’m not saying you can’t

But theres big down sides and no real benefit

[vapid gorge]

Is the HOR a waste?

[barren pollen]

Well for the rocket fuel plant + aluminium I need uh

1131 crude oil

426 HOR goes into PC and 1092 goes into diluted fuel

(Hence why I wanted to use the water there)

[vapid gorge]

Ah, I would have a group of refineries clocked to use exactly 426 HOR and send the coke directly

Have a dif section of refs to make HOR for diluted fuel

[barren pollen]

So, Split the HOR refineries and this looks good yeah?

[vapid gorge]

Yup
And probably
Modeller images have zero labels on them and way too much work to read

One of the many reasons I don’t use it

[barren pollen]

yeah i dont really like it, but i have notes here of everything that needs to be split

Will probably redo so its easier to read lol

[vapid gorge]

I recommend https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=WYj0UNsPCamUj4VVNEW6

[barren pollen]

I use satisfactory tools also. I just thought id try this for once lol

[vapid gorge]

Takes a little bit of practice but is very worthwhile. Easy to read and edit

[barren pollen]

this was my phase 3 factory

runs at near 100% efficiency with just a bit of maintenance that I had to do

[vapid gorge]

Huh using two different mid frame recipes

Did you use ‘maximise’ a lot?

[barren pollen]

Nope

I think the versatile framework just balanced out on its own

[vapid gorge]

Huh, it doesn’t often spot out multiple recipes for an item 🙂

[barren pollen]

Wait wdym

Like the modular frame?

Idk why it did that, I just didnt end up doing that part

[vapid gorge]

Yeah that
You just must have had fairly strict resource limitations that it had to spread the costs around

[barren pollen]

i probably did

either way the factory runs great which Im glad for

This is what its saying to do on tools

[ashen sentinel]

wait yall don't just shove stuff into containers that produce your parts?

[vapid gorge]

For going up the tiers? Sure

[barren pollen]

@vapid gorge

this is hell but I think Ive evenly split everything

If theres anything you point out it would be much appreciated

[vapid gorge]

If you choose to make wet concrete instead of reusing the water in its own system you’ll need overflow to sinks? About it really

[barren pollen]

Oh yeah sinks

Ill add sinks to that

@vapid gorge so will sinking all the concrete when overflown, that will fix the whole water issue?

[vapid gorge]

It’s effectively the same as reusing the waste water in its own system - a seperate process that isn’t mixed with the fresh water

So sure

[barren pollen]

Okay thats chill

Im still wondering if I should go straight for nuclear energy tho

[vapid gorge]

As long as you’re not mixing the fresh abd waste it’s pretty simple

I hate endless fuel gens so thatd be my advice

[barren pollen]

It’s either I go the nuclear route which would be to create like 400-500k fuel

Or like 3-400k

Or I do rocket fuel and do 288GW but that’s like 1152 generators and I genuinely cba to do that

Idk if I make enough fuel right now though to even start making a nuclear plant

I only have some 30k MW from turbo fuel

[vapid gorge]

Build power storage to kick start your nuclear

A blueprint block of them makes it easy

Wow I swear they’re doing stupid things to auto correct

[wind spade]

Fyi the unit is "GW", not "kMW"

[somber sedge]

theyre not wrong tho

[wind spade]

wdym?

[somber sedge]

a kilo of megawatts is by definiton a gigawatt

[wind spade]

not sure what definition are you using, but SI system (the one that defines things like "kilo") specifically forbids mixing prefixes together

[somber sedge]

dam

[oblique hollow]

else you get kmMGW

good luck finding out whats what

[frosty owl]

If you interpret the "k" as "thousands", you might have half a point xD
BTW, the "Kilo K" is a capital "K" (unlike the "thousands k")

[somber sedge]

kilo is greek derived, meaning "thousand"

kilogram literally means "thousandgram"

thats why i said kMW was not technically incorrect cuz thats just saying thousandMW

2kMW is 2 thounsandMW

[frosty owl]

Eh, fair enough.
I was also pretty wrong there as "kilo" is one of the FEW exceptions that aren't capitalized (because ofc things can't always be simple )

Ie: "deca", "hecta" and "kilo" are the only lower-case prefixes

[somber sedge]

but also, putting two prefixes together is not adviced, so its not the best practice

https://youtu.be/Tgxknxp3-Go holy flip watch this, balancers final boss

wait i change my opinion

watching how fast the machines turn on, what hes doing might be nessecary in late stage

[barren pollen]

Ohhh. Thanks I got it mixed up

[slow fjord]

Getting closer to a Terra watt

[frosty owl]

Fluid balancers are cooler and more useful anyway
||Sarcasm disclaimer||

Jokes aside, I do want to try experimenting with that some more, maybe even at scale

[oblique hollow]

Valves

[unique cypress]

Nope, still incorrect. SI explicitly prohibits double prefixes

[wind spade]

Well but MW already means million W 🙂

[oblique hollow]

thousand million joule per second

[orchid brook]

do i go for it?

this was the previous goal and the only really limite was the SAM but i remmbered i wasnt slooping it so ya not i do

[oblique hollow]

Try it lol

[orchid brook]

nope

it takes almost 800,000MG and i just did the SAM machiens

lol

[viral sparrow]

so make big power

[unique cypress]

megagauss?

[mint coral]

Nice name update

[orchid brook]

thx

[unique cypress]

We'll see if 1.2 does anything about that

[orchid brook]

what 1.2?

oh like update ya pls that will be a life saver

[wind spade]

there's nothing to fix with fluids

[zenith tree]

What's a terra watt

[wind spade]

TW to GW is same as TB to GB

[zenith tree]

Oh

[wind spade]

that's the SI system for you 🙂

everything works in multiplies of 1000

[somber sedge]

id appreciate if there was more physics involved

[wind spade]

wdym?

[somber sedge]

like for junctions

what fluid gets priority should depend on something like, which pipe has the greater pressure

something i proposed before asw

[wind spade]

well SF doesn't really have pressure
and I'd say that having priority on pipes is weird given they are bidirectional

[somber sedge]

whats SF

[wind spade]

satisfactory

[somber sedge]

yes but flow of fluid is based on fluid pressure right?

[wind spade]

not really afaik

[somber sedge]

fluids always go from fuller pipes to emtpy pipes

[unique cypress]

It's based on some form of the Navier Stokes equations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier–Stokes_equations

[wind spade]

there has been some research about this but I don't remember the findings exactly

[somber sedge]

calculus, yum yum!

[zenith tree]

Calculus, ew ew ew

[barren pollen]

No

I mean sometimes I think but mainly based on gravity

Isn’t SF actually pretty realistic (as realistic a game can be) to actual fluid dynamics irl

[somber sedge]

idk

[mint coral]

i know little about IRL piping other then basic repairs. so i cannot weigh in on the math around what is realistic. What i do know is that ppl hate or like them in this game

[somber sedge]

i thouhgt i knew fluids, cuz experimentally, it seemed like the flow and fluid priority was based on total pressure in the fluids, and it seemed like the pressure was based on how high the fluid is coming from + pumps

but the more i talked to ppl online, the more i realized it was probably a coincidence that they seemed to behave that way

can someone smarter explain how u do priority fluids in real life?

[wind spade]

Usually with check valves, though priority is usually still just "more pressure=more priority"

The systems we have in SF just are better separated without prio merging

[rotund zinc]

Does anyone have a good chart or something similar for what recipes to use for a 100% map? Don’t think I will ever do it but I would like to see the proportions so if I ever do it I ”only” need to increase everything equally

[somber sedge]

can u explain what u meant by that last sentence

[somber sedge]

whats a 100% map

[rotund zinc]

Not sure if everyone would call it 100% map but I meant a map in which I exploit all resources there are on the entire map

[mint coral]

like every scrape of sam ore?

#design-and-architecture message

[rotund zinc]

I guess it’s pretty theoretical. But I meant all resource nodes on the map maxed out and used. Using powershards on all miners.

[mint coral]

so its highly subjective waht effencient and 100% usage is. in thery you could just place a m3 miner on every node and belt it straight into a awesome sink. No recipes needed

[rotund zinc]

Okay let’s say it’s for awesome points?

But you are right, I need to say more clearly what I mean

[mint coral]

again what is effecient spending 5000 hours in game and another 1000 out of game planning the user of every resource in the game. OR just doing my above method and letting thegame run for 6000 hours

its a sandbox game. I find they work best when i outline clear goals for myself

[wind spade]

instead of merging things with priority, you treat the two pipes separately, hooking each to the number of machines it can feed. No priority needed

[tropic hawk]

I don't think anyone has a 100% map usage build as the engine breaks before it gets that far

[somber sedge]

so just have seperate machines

[wind spade]

yeah

[somber sedge]

yeah thats what i do, i like to burn the water away for some extra power

[wind spade]

I meant more like this

[somber sedge]

also a highly fluctuating power makes me feel good

[somber sedge]

ive always struggled to understand this dagram

is this what its describing

[little moon]

Where are you finding these magnificent diagrams…

[somber sedge]

oh i get it now

[wind spade]

yeah like that

[somber sedge]

im pretty sure its in the pipe guidebook

[somber sedge]

did i do something wrong- how is this so machine-efficient?!?!

just 6 refineries total for 900 scrap???? wtf

[mint coral]

that seems right

[dusky dust]

Aluminum scrap go brrrrrr, etc

[somber sedge]

i see

how r u supposed to be thinking about products such as fused modular frames which are required in a myriad of recipies but wherever its required, its needed in small quantities and only once

i was thinking i could make a fused modular frame factory producing 2.25/min and use drones to direct the product where i need it the most currently

say for example im on the stage where i need a bunch of nuclea pasta, then i use the factory's products to be directed towards the nuclear pasta factory

but if im done making nuclear pasta for the phase, i can redirect the product to the turbo motor factory

is that a good idea

[velvet parrot]

on paper (In my calculator), my nuclear plant makes the correct amount of power, but once i plug it into a nuclear reactor, it comes up about 17000 MW shy in total output. I am creating 34.56 Uranium Fuel Rods, and at .5 rods per machine, it needs 69.12 machines (Which obviously i cant do), so i am trying to get those 34.56 rods into 70 machines, all evenly powered, so i dont have some flickering on and off. Im a physics major, so i understand math, so i was just doing the math to what it will need on paper, but as soon as i plugged it into a reactor in game, it came out that 17000 MW shy... I have attached a picture with what i have found to be proof of why its coming up shy. i ran some standalone Manufacturers to get a few fuel rods to test so i could see how many it was going to use per minute. The first picture with the full calculator shows how much the 34.56 rods should be creating in theory, with on the right, it showing the 432k MW that its actually going to create at the ~6171.4 MW per Nuclear Plant. The second calculator picture shows where i got my current clock speed of the 246.858. the 500 is what is the full speed of the reactors given the number of rods they will use at each clock speed. 250% at .5 rod per mine, and 100% at .2 rod per minute is how i got that, so 500 times that ~.4937 gave me that clock speed. However, clearly, something isnt right.

I am new to nuclear and want to make sure i get this right, so im hoping the Satisfactory Gurus here can help me out and either assure me that i will be fine, or help me figure out what clock speed i need to set my power plants to to make sure i get the correct usage of my 34.56 uranium fuel rods. In hindsight, i would have made it an even 34.5, but now my factory is built and would rather not tune down over a hundred machines to make it an even 34.5/min.

[little moon]

Why cant you do a machine at 12% clock and 69 machines at 100%?

[velvet parrot]

the 70 machines are all running at 246%

so id do 69 machines at 250 and one at 12?

[little moon]

Uh

[tropic hawk]

So the 70 machines running at 250% speed yields 0.5 i/min consumption?

[velvet parrot]

because each machine uses half a fuel rod per minute onlyi at 250%

[velvet parrot]

yes

[little moon]

I think 67 at 246 and 3 at 250

[tropic hawk]

Because IIRC, 0.5/min is the 100% rate

[slow fjord]

1,000,000MW

[velvet parrot]

.5 is 250% according to wiki

[little moon]

1000W = 1MW
1000MW = 1GW
1000GW = 1TW

[velvet parrot]

so i would need about 173 reactors if i ran them at 100%

[velvet parrot]

that would work if it was a flat 246 and not 246 and change i would think

[tropic hawk]

Its been a while since I did nuclear (pre 1.0), so if your numbers are 69.12 plants being sated, you would need 12% of 250% or about 30% of a generator if my seat of car math is right

[little moon]

So 68 machines at 250% and one at 12% should work

[velvet parrot]

also its .12 of a 250% machine, so i would need to evenly distribute 30%

[little moon]

I think

[velvet parrot]

yeah thats where i was getting lol

[tropic hawk]

If the machine just runs at 30% you could theoretically just manifold it.

[little moon]

If you need to consume 34.56 fuel rods and 250% clock speed consumes 0.5 fuel rods this would be correct

[velvet parrot]

and running 1 machine lower than the rest wont cause issues with waste or radioactivity?

[tropic hawk]

Unless you are running a "LBR" plant, then things get more compicatex

[velvet parrot]

LBR?

[tropic hawk]

If you mind certain lines being more saturated, they dont.

[tropic hawk]

Low Background Radiation

[velvet parrot]

okay, as long as power stays relatively consistent, that should be fine that some lines get saturated, which i would expect from a manifold system

[tropic hawk]

So long as all plants get what they need, power output will be flat. Only exceptions to that rule is geothermal and biomass gens.

[velvet parrot]

idc about "LBR" then personally. i built over the swamp so it was away from the rest of my plants

slight fluctuations Gerothermal Generators are not a problem, i just want the larger chunk of power to be consistent

so i will run 69 at 250% and 1 at 30%

thank you

[mint coral]

You can always use power storage and just assume a average for head math

[tropic hawk]

Yep, so long as Consumtion = Production of your fuel, you should be fine.

[little moon]

Why 1 at 30??

[velvet parrot]

because its 12% of a fully overclocked machine, so 12% of 250% is 30%

[tropic hawk]

If the normal gen is at 250% speed, and they need .12 of that, then the math makes the CS 30%

[velvet parrot]

thank you, i will just run 6 manifold lines total, 3 of 12 and 3 of 11, then smart split at the end to a merger line to fill the last machine with overflow. or should i just throw that last 30% machine in one of the lines of 11?

[tropic hawk]

If the split offs from the main line are via smart splitters, it doesn't really matter IMO

[little moon]

You need a total of 17,280 clock speed across the manifold

Just checked all my math against wiki numbers with a regression in desmos and you’re right, you need 69 at 250% and 1 at 30%

[velvet parrot]

main line being the main 6 manifold lines of reactors i would make? then just smart splitter the end of each?

in my h ead, it would eventually balance out if i did that once the manifold fills

[little moon]

I mean what you’re describing sounds to me like a larger, slightly more convoluted manifold🤷

should work fine best I can tell

[velvet parrot]

it actually provides more rods to more machines quicker if i split them into multiple smaller manifolds, because im not waiting on the back 30 ish machines in 2 manifolds to fill

[mint coral]

true you can also hand feed rods in like a gremlin. thats what i do

[velvet parrot]

xD

[celest rune]

@elder fox C^2=a^2+b^2-2(a)(b)Cos(ø)

Law of cosines

[vague charm]

how do you calculate how much the travel time of trains and drones affects throughput again?

[wind spade]

time it

as for throughput, usually best to rely on the game to calculate it

[mint coral]

honestly i just wing it by filling a buffer on both ends

[rugged otter]

The freight platform and drone stations should say items per minute or stacks (I think that's what drones say). Buffers help make sure there is a fudge factor though.

[celest rune]

Im confused on what any of this means :D

I have never used vehicles before

[rugged otter]

If you click into the freight platform on the train station, it says how many items per minute are being transferred so you know how many the car is bringing in the time it takes it to travel. If you need more per minute than what it is bringing in, you might need to load it into two or more cars.

[celest rune]

Ohhh ok

[rugged otter]

And putting a storage container on the unloading side as a buffer helps to make sure if it's bringing extra, it gets saved as a fudge factor if something slows it down

[celest rune]

Fudge factor?

[rugged otter]

Like if you need 60 but it's bringing 58 per minute, letting that buffer fill up helps if there is anything along the way that holds up the train.

[celest rune]

Ohhh ok

[rugged otter]

Don't mind the clipping... lol

That buffer is on my receiving or unloading end. I sometimes put them on the loading side too

[celest rune]

Wait...thats actually a genius design

Its like those storage units placed in between walls on freight trains

[rugged otter]

Yeah. I always put some sort of building over my train depots. It's kind of fun to make them look pretty. I don't always clip them through the wall but I like how that one turned out.

[celest rune]

Because honestly? I see that design being used irl

[mint coral]

me too

#math-and-meta message

[rugged otter]

This is one on the other side that isn't clipped.

[fierce ruin]

whats better package oil for transoprt or raaw fluid or procces it there and transport end prouct ?

[wind spade]

process it at source, make end product, put into depot

[fierce ruin]

thx

[stone delta]

To clarify, is it not possible to build load balancers accurate to 4 decimals without building obscenely large load balancing arrays?

[wind spade]

depends on the numbers I guess. Manifolds usually solve anything anyway

[lost gorge]

oil -> plastic. highest yield i calculated not using sloop 2.89 is that right?

[outer vale]

depends entirely on the decimal yeah. 0.0625? easy. 0.3179? probably not

[outer vale]

should be 3 IIRC

[lost gorge]

wonder what im missing

[outer vale]

HOR, recycled rubber/plastic, diluted fuel?

think those are the alts off the top of my head

yup
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=7zGeH87AkNGiILuvIuzu

(substitute for the diluted packaged fuel loop if needed)

[lost gorge]

oil using heavy oil (3 oil, 4 heavy, 2 polymer)
all heavy into fuel using diluted. all polymer into rubber
then rubber fuel -> plastic
then plastic fuel -> rubber
then rubber fuel -> plastic
then 1/3 of remaining fuel + plastic -> rubber
use up fuel plus rubber -> plastic
total is 2.89

must be my math hm

[outer vale]

probably the plubber loop

[lost gorge]

ok thanks yeah i deducted some fuel in my calc on accident

initially iwasnt sure if i need to balance heavy oil residue and polymer resin recipe. so my excel was weird

anyways cool

[vapid gorge]

You generally need buffers on both loading and unloading to make up for the lock out times

Very few situations where you don’t

[rugged otter]

Yes. I put them on both sides loading and unloading.

[vapid gorge]

@haughty kayak like so

Don’t connect the fresh and waste. Simple. Never backs up

[haughty kayak]

It all just leads into one of the other machines so I think I'm doing the same thing

[vapid gorge]

Then you’ve mathed or done something wrong

Are you linking up multiple wastes or something?

[haughty kayak]

Yes because I don't need that many refineries making scrap

[vapid gorge]

Thats all clocking

Figure out the % of bauxite that runs on fresh water - clock some refs to make exactly that

Do the rest of the % with waste water in its own group

If it doesn’t work you’ve mathed wrong. Or not sinking the scrap / ingots and thats making it back up

[haughty kayak]

None of the items are backing up, it's just liquid

[vapid gorge]

Liquid is an item

Sounds like you’ve mathed wrong then. Or made a build mistake

You could post some over head images?

[haughty kayak]

It's probably just math, I think this was done when I just barely started caring about making things efficient

[vapid gorge]

With reusing byproducts it’s mandatory unfortunately 🙂

[light zodiac]

satisfactory what ratio to use for pure iron ingots input is 1200/min output i can use 3 power chards/each.

[vapid gorge]

figure out how much 1 refineries uses pm at 250% , divide 1200 by that

[light zodiac]

its a terrible number.

[vapid gorge]

terrible numbers are imaginary , change the pm value and you can have whole numbers if you want

as in per 2 minutse instead. Or per 1000 minutes. Decimals go away

[light zodiac]

want to max out, i guess i use manifold and take out the extra to the next line etc ...

[vapid gorge]

? just have one not clocked at maxed. Much simpler

or evenly clock the min number of refineries

[light zodiac]

i got 10x 1200 iron input, so i try to minimized the refinery amount.

[vapid gorge]

it's relaly not going to make any reasonable difference if you're already doing that many refineries

[slate jackal]

Can 1 freight car reach throughput of 1200 coal on a 4 minute route..? Or do I need 2? 🤔

[wind spade]

not enough info - 4 minute whole round trip or just one way? what's your belt speed? etc.

[slate jackal]

Whole round trip, mk5 belts and I have 2 stations where each produces 600 p/m and loads into the same car

[raw pike]

I think it's more reasonable for you to test it out yourself, sink the unloading station then try out the train route for a couple of cycles then check the incoming items per min on the freight station

[slate jackal]

Oh, I didn't think about sinking, I'll try that

Although wait.. I forgot 1 car has only 32 slots... so it could only transport 3200 out of 4800 produced during the round trip..

[wind spade]

my rule of thumb is one car per belt

[slate jackal]

Yeah... it ends up being around 780 per minute

I guess I need 2 more cars then

[somber sedge]

I am very upset because my railway blueprint had the rails too close, im re building everything cansomeone pls js tell me if this is far out enough

are the rails far away from each other enougj

[mint coral]

looks good. I usually center each rail on a foundation the usually gives enough room. this looks to be about the same (counting the grid under for refernce)

[somber sedge]

this is just shy of what you do

[mint coral]

ya looks good. saave it place it and test

just put it on the ground next to the Blueprinter and connect some rails and drive on it

[somber sedge]

behold

is this readable btw

do the signs make sense

i think they do

"entrance" sign should point upwards right, or is it downwards

[mint coral]

i read this as (the viewer is the train in this case) right hand drive track system

[somber sedge]

yes

[mint coral]

tthen your signs owrk

I only play by myself... so as long as i understand im good lol

[wind spade]

It's left hand drive

(Which is right hand traffic)

[mint coral]

precise wording can matter.

[wind spade]

Blame people who came with that mess 🙂

[mint coral]

lol English is a hard language. I tell people i speak bad english, and worse french.

[slender sundial]

how many freights to transport like 4800 conc/min

[mint coral]

Depends on distance between a and B and belts

If i had to throw out a vibe based number id say 7

[slender sundial]

like across the rocky biome

[mint coral]

If you want a detailed explanation on how to calculate such things check #1038092680493801533 for similar questions or post there to get a detailed response. I have a feeling it is a bit complex

[mint coral]

Personally I've always just made trains with four freight cars and dedicate each train to one item. If I need more I put another train on the same route. I also fill a industrial storage or two on each side

[somber sedge]

how would i make a train not stop at a stattion if its fulll

[mint coral]

You don't. I tend to have a smart splitter at the buffer at every train station leading to a sink.

If you are producing to much things naturally get bunged up

[haughty iron]

you cant but you can get close to it by setting these settings

you can set it up for each stop

[somber sedge]

Wait wouldn't it then wait forever

Dont u mean to set it to wait zero secondd

[haughty iron]

nah it's or. So it tries to empty or wait 99999999

so itf its empty it will start driving again

perhaps setting it to "And" wait for 0 seconds will result in the same desired result

the 99999999 setting makes it drive at some point even if its not fully empty/full yet

[somber sedge]

pls help, will this work pipe-wise

these refineries eat the water byproduct

ive overclocked the scrap making refinieres for that 1:1 ratio of refineires

this is the 1 machine ratios

id imagine since the main refinieres dont produce enough aluminia solution, the pipes will fill up from the excess production

the on thing is, this exceeds the pipe carrying capacity

[vapid gorge]

🤯

[vapid gorge]

clocking what is fresh water and what is waste?

[vapid gorge]

could just be a basic math issue - you need more than 2 pipes for the solution

[midnight eagle]

does anyone know what might cause the max consumption to go up and down ?

[mint coral]

some of the end game machines use veritable power. Maybe those?> im just guessing though

[midnight eagle]

what's the difference between power and véritable power ?

[mint coral]

A particle accelerator sometimes draw little power and at other tiomes 18gw

[mint coral]

i kinda assume it would just tell your grid the max draw of the machine. But i really dont know. i dont think about it just spit balling

[midnight eagle]

yeah particle accelerator and converters have variable power use but the max is the max and stays the max no ?

[mint coral]

i would assume as much but il really struggling to think of what would make your max consumption change like that

[mint coral]

seems like hte internet shares my theory of end game machines or its a bug

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/66e9b194772a987f4a8b8969

[midnight eagle]

ah that's disapointing...
would've hoped for it to have an easy fix but can't do much against bugs...

[mint coral]

im also disappointted..... I am not usually proud of my ignorance but now that i know about this imma keep a eye on my grid. I usually build a TW and forget

[midnight eagle]

yeah I have this set-up right now (plenty of unused fuel I could hook up to generators) at Blue crater, but I'm too lazy to go bring nitrogen gas and sulphur back to expand it (I'l eventually get to it)

[mint coral]

both arew real close there at least ^_^

[midnight eagle]

yesn't there's another nitrogen thing which isn't too far...
but for sulphur they are so far and few I should probably make a train track to bring them all but I don't want to figure out load balancers so I shall procrastinate

[mint coral]

I feel ya,

[wary rapids]

@midnight eagle yeah im feeling thats the best recipe for crater sence you can build out fuel optimaly makeing the the rocket fuel upgrade easiest later while haveing about 50 percent leftover for plastics and rubber. after you pull all nearby sulfur sources.

it also turns out you can have 33 percent more power just from reprossing by byproucts compacted coal.

[mint coral]

you can, but i like to turn it into steel as there is a lot of iron nodes near ^_^

[wary rapids]

that makes practicle sence to devolp the area. sence your likely wanting train lines if your exprting plastics/rubber.

and everything is on site for arms.

[mint coral]

you could make turbo fuel from it too if you wanted to kick the power up a little without dragging the second nitrogen node over as well as a bunch more sulfer

[somber sedge]

Yeah that's what I was worried about

[somber sedge]

trains collided like this

hmmmm

i found the problem

[warped tendon]

Fixin that’ll make 10 more

[wind spade]

yeah you need junctions to be flat

[somber sedge]

hmm

i fixed it

[somber sedge]

In other news, my all purpose aluminum factory is coming along well

I'm just struggling to find enough resources to keep feeding into the factory. Currently it's working at around 50% its max output

[warped tendon]

<@&387163995947270144>

[mint coral]

@elder fox

some rough head math

set a HOR refinery to 200% so it uses 75 oil/min feed that into a blender set to 250% using all the HOR being made. send that to a blender set to Nitro rocket fuel set to 250% using all the Fuel to make The rocket fuel (300unts/min) feed that to feed 30 fuel refineries set to 240% (using 10/min)

[cunning stump]

so i have a drone trying to deliver 600 bauxite a min to a small aluminum plant, but I'm falling just 40 per min short of that number, what's the easiest way to fix this?

[vapid gorge]

How are you delivering it?

[cunning stump]

by drone

[vapid gorge]

Add more drones 🙂
2 ports can easily accommodate 2 drones

If you’ve already done this you’ll need more ports

[cunning stump]

yeah I've already done this more drone ports it is then

[vapid gorge]

Individual drones don’t have much throughput, but it’s very easy to add more

They are basically just slow teleporters

[cunning stump]

can i have 2 drone ports deliving to the same drone port and then have 3 drones total making the run?

delivering*

[vapid gorge]

The trouble with that is that you then have 3 drones landing on the same point

And they have a full minutes land take off sequence

[cunning stump]

true but i do only need like 40 more per min thruput

[vapid gorge]

It CAN work but you have to design it that way and it might not match your numbers

[somber sedge]

I personally only use drones for late game items

[vapid gorge]

Oh sure - it just really depends on the system

Test it out

[somber sedge]

It's very efficient to recomission a factory when u don't need it's products anymore, like instead of making two cooling unit factories, you can make one and once u don't need cooling units, u can set a drone port to the rocket thing factory

Did that make sense???? I hope it did

[cunning stump]

yeah i think i get what your saying

[cunning stump]

im gonna try it out see if it works for my case

[vapid gorge]

Not sure sorry xD

But unless the rest of the resources on the map are very inconvenient to use you might as well just make a new factory right?

[somber sedge]

I produce 5 radios per minute
I need 5/min to produce product X
And I need 5/min to produce product Y
And I need 5/min to produce product Z

Instead of making three radio factories I can make one single radio factory and send it's outputs to the factory for product X,
after I have enough of product X, I can set the drones to go to product Y now

And repeat
This way, I save on having to rebuild the same factory multiple times at multiple locations with different regional limitations

Advantages:
Very simple and convenient

Disadvantages:
You can only produce one product (X, Y, Z) at a time, although that might be managable specially when you're making project assembly parts

[vapid gorge]

Well building 3x smaller factories will probably take as much as 1x bigger one right? Just depends if you have enough resources in one spot to make 1 big one more convenient

[somber sedge]

The key is that the 1x factory is also a smaller factory

It's a decent alternative option for people who would rather wait more than make more

[cunning stump]

yeah doesnt seem like thats going to work, im getting worse thruput, i think part of my issue is how high the other terrain around the drone port is so it slowly hovers very high before it takes off, thus making the other 2 drones wait much longer to start the also very slow landing process

its a 1 min 30 sec for a drone to land then take off

[vapid gorge]

I thought it was 52 seconds but been a while.

And yeah it’s tough managing a 3 drone port

[cunning stump]

oh now i have 603?

im gonna let this run awhile longer and see if it stays stable

[vapid gorge]

Don’t rely on the throughput meters

[wind spade]

that is the big advantage of building separately though 🙂

[vapid gorge]

Look at your machines and see if they are stable

[cunning stump]

also it probably is 52 sec but as previously mentioned where I'm located the drone hovers very high up then takes off to the destination

[cunning stump]

machines seem stable, its building in the buffer

[zenith tree]

Im like

So done with this piping

Pump moving fluid in this pipe

Gets to here and it just stops

Mk2 pump right there and ik that has plenty of headlift

What is wrong

[formal lynx]

rebuild the pipe segement

[zenith tree]

I did that

[formal lynx]

did you rebuild all pipe segements back to the pump?

[zenith tree]

No

I built a 2km long pipeline ._.

[formal lynx]

check each segment untill you find the segment that doesnt have any fluid it in

or did you use a mod and build 1 super massive pipe

and super long pipes (even in segments) can hold a lot of oil so they can take a hot min to 100% fill up

[mint coral]

over distance pipes usually fail at somepoint. rebuilding and prayer seems to be the best solution. Most people just build where the fluid is to avoid this

you can reduce the length by building through the dune rather then over it

[zenith tree]

Bruh

I found a flat spot where it stopped

[zenith tree]

Should I put a buffer at the end and it let that fill up too

[zenith tree]

I dont use any mods

[mint coral]

naw buffers cause more issues then they solve

[zenith tree]

Ok

[oblique hollow]

Looks like it just has to fill some more

[quick gorge]

<@&387163995947270144> they've escaped the lore channel 🙃

[orchid brook]

i swear i remmber there was a way to make oil with SAM

am i going insane?

[steep hound]

You can't make oil with SAM

[orchid brook]

i am going insane

wow

i should really take a break

[steep hound]

played with mods before?

[orchid brook]

ya

[steep hound]

mods actually allow it

[orchid brook]

i am rn

[orchid brook]

lemme look in that

[smoky wharf]

The beginning of my endeavor for an universal manifold builder

If I were to do all manufacturer blueprints I would jump from 16 to 64 of them, which is far too much to be practical... I'll instead do 4 cases for inputs, namely "All left", "All right", "LRLR" and "RLRL"

[somber sedge]

hellooo my trains keep stopping here, can anyone tell me why

its not even the end of the block, why woudl they stop

[wind spade]

is the signal red?

[somber sedge]

it is green

[oblique hollow]

is the next section also green

[somber sedge]

well i fixed it and i cant check now

i redeigned the entire junction

[barren shell]

One single constructor sucking down an entire copper node!

[shell kindle]

sloop it, you know you want to

[vapid gorge]

<@&387163995947270144> multi channel spam

[tribal sun]

Guys im about to crash out

My math math's but stuff refuses to run at 100%

Never have I ever felt such immense dissatisfaction

When it comes to making aluminum how do I make the water produced by one of the later steps loop back to the earlier step without everything overflowing with water despite the numbers being perfect?

I am genuinely being driven insane by how fluids refuse to behave in all context

[vapid gorge]

don't merge your fresh and waste water together

that's it. That's the whole solution to your problem

pipes are not belts - fluids are bi directional

[vapid gorge]

and there's simple ways to manage fluids. I can take you through a project if you like

[shell kindle]

if you want perfection...package it, merge the lines, unpackage 🤣

[vapid gorge]

10x the work for no benefit

[shell kindle]

benefit is you get to claim it is perfection

[vapid gorge]

not merging the fresh and waste in the first place is 'perfection'

no need for packaging

[shell kindle]

and you get to see stuff scooting around on belts going wheee

[barren shell]

I merged my waste water and fresh water and now I regret it.

[vapid gorge]

this is often the case

@barren shell @tribal sun

bottom refs are solution
top scrap

blue line is fresh
red is waste

unbreakable system, just need to clock it right

[wary rapids]

smeltor in dune desert starter facotry is now online

[patent niche]

erm use a valve

[vapid gorge]

that is one of the least reliable methods

and I'm mostly saying that because off the top of my head I can't think of a less reliable option

[patent niche]

Explain how? Do you you even know what a valve does?

[vapid gorge]

very well as for the 'how' , valves don't stop fluid in front from knocking the fluid behind it back wards

on top of that depending on how full the pipe sections they are on are, they'll only allow a % of the flow through

so if it's set to 600 (max flow) but the pipe is only half full, it'll only allow 300 through

if you're going to direct feed waste into fresh, and you shouldn't, use a powered pump instead.

It's a slightly better option.

But better to just not mix them at all

in general, just never use valves or buffers.
(except liquid trains that need buffers)

[patent niche]

Ahhh I see I thought valves made the flow direction one way, but I was unaware that they didn't which still allows for slooshing. I guess you learn something everyday. Thanks for that!

[vapid gorge]

no stress! It's a common thing to think and it's not super clear from the outside

At best they'll do nothing, at worst, if not placed right could cause issues

[somber sedge]

weighing the pros and cons on both these

any wisdom you pros can share is appreciated

[vapid gorge]

one extends your uranium ore at the cost of more resources. It's pretty straight forward. Is this good for you?

[somber sedge]

no theres a lot more to it, like the suphuric acid recycling and introducing quartz and wire

hmmm

i wnated to know what u guys prefer

anyways making fuel stuff

[vapid gorge]

I mean the more resources is the core of it.
+crystal and quickwire

the byproduct is a non issue - deal with it the same as you do with waste water with bauxite

the alt recipe effectively turns caterium wire and silica to mroe uranium ore. If you want more power its a good option

[raw pike]

TIL: You can have 2 or more scanners with different targets for easy switching of objects to scan. I was experimenting with object scanners because I was so annoyed with switching items to scan, then I stumbled upon this which is such a game changer for me! I don't know if this has been a thing for a while I just wanted to share for those who hasn't discovered this yet

[crimson moat]

Nice

you can also carry 4 guns with you so that you don't have to reload in combat, since the mag size is quite limited and reload animation long while the animation to swap to another slot is much shorter.

or to have different guns / different ammo like carry a stun rebar gun, shoot it and swap out to a regular or rapidfire rifle.

[inner atlas]

4 tracking ammo guns would be crazy

[barren lance]

I don't know if I should progress in this factory. I just unlocked the 7th and 8th tier. I figured that I need a better power system to last until the end of post-game. Before, I had a 30 GW oil power system for fuel WITH Power Amplifiers. Now, I am thinking about having a 200 GW power infrastructure with 5 power amplifiers. It uses 6,000 turbo fuel/min and I am about 1/3 of the way through making the factory with almost getting finished with the 800 fuel generators. Next, after I link up all of the logistics and I have the processing for the oil to heavy oil residue in the bottom right I will make another 2-3 200mx200m platform to make room for the other 100 refineries and 163 blenders. Is this a good system where it takes in 2,500 oil/min, 2,400 nitrogen gas/min, 1400 sulfer/min, and some other inputs to give an output of 6,000 turbo-fuel/min. I am not close enough (to my knowledge) of manufacturing power shards on a production line and making ionized fuel. I have this located in the very lower right of the map. What should I change, if anything, or should this be enough power for a while? I just don't want to waste the next 10-20 hours of gameplay for nothing

[vapid gorge]

hard to tell, not enough detail on what is actually going on with the pipes

[barren lance]

What do you mean exactly? Do you need to know the number of pipes, basic pipe networking, liquid in pipes? Location of all of the pipes in the build?

Essentially for the fuel generator section I have a 5 x 2 row of pipes planned for each pipe to hold 600m^3 turbo-fuel/min that branches out

Each level comes out from the center to the top and bottom of the image. It then branches out to their respective rows, each containing 20 fuel generators that consume collectively per row 150m^3/min turbo-fuel

[vapid gorge]

well like here it kinda looks like it's connected?

[barren lance]

In the center between the levels of the fuel generator planes are just some pumps to pump the liquid upwards. I know that I should make the production of liquids above the level of the fuel generators themselves but it's too late and I really don't want to rebuild

They aren't

It's basically just a section that looks like it but are close together to make it look better

[vapid gorge]

well that's good.
but in general having branches off the main manifold like that can cause flow issues especially if you're running high flow pipes

these pipes aren't looped AND you have extra junctions since the machines don't share

[barren lance]

Noted, I am new to the game if you couldn't tell with only 130 hours on my save file and I don't really have an idea on what exactly to do

[barren lance]

Right

[vapid gorge]

people's first massive pipe flow issue tends to be with their first fuel system

I'd guess you might get the system running 80-90% expected output

[barren lance]

I jsut did that because I was used to doing it from normal manifolds with conveyor belts

[vapid gorge]

yeah, people's first fuel system is usually like that 🙂

[barren lance]

How does liquid behave differently by the way? Because, I often find my builds not necessarily having one specific build direction

[vapid gorge]

it's common

[vapid gorge]

fluids are bidirectional and prefer to flow downwards
it's 2 simple rules that spaw complex behaviours

[barren lance]

Also is this too much or too little power preperation for tier 9?

[vapid gorge]

so keeping pipes simple and direct is generally good

[barren lance]

And tier 7 and 8 as I don't actually have a factory

[vapid gorge]

as for power - I finished phase 5 with 30gw easily?

[barren lance]

I just have a few smaller factories for 60% of the items

[vapid gorge]

if I want more than that I'd go nuclear so I don't have to have 1000 fuel gens

[barren lance]

Oh, I am starting production of tier 7 products after this. I have production of every item up to computers except for the second type of circuit boards, ai limiters, and any weapon types as well as smoked powder. I don't know if I should spend a ton of time on making some more smaller temporary factories that look bad or if I should just jump straight to a mega factory that I initiate all at once

Here's my power rn

[vapid gorge]

depends what you want from the game

some people jsut finish phase 5 and are 'done'
but to me that's like playing minecraft, killing the ender dragon and saying the game is over

[barren lance]

That's my state of progress

[vapid gorge]

imo after the phases you can build your own projects with design choices based on what mechanics you're interested in

[vapid gorge]

yeah you're getting there 🙂

[barren lance]

I sorta skipped the normal phase for factory making. My older factory was really bad and messy but I just kept on adding onto it as time went on. With my older save I got to working on phase 3 with around 150 hours in and it was messy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558721941410807812/1455771915393437792/BB09E5A0-FB3A-43DF-82EC-D59B78E82BDF.png?ex=698a03ff&is=6988b27f&hm=319e9d1c225a232501ef94cc9192686caa83daad410f7a1c91dabd3c776f248a&

This was the storage system for my old save file

[vapid gorge]

pretty normal honestly.
you can easily just smoosh systems together to make new parts 🙂

tier 1 to 9 factory, https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1425811234363801732/1425813458892361728/image.png?ex=698a7382&is=69892202&hm=d6480f74cde62f0aefee85748023ea36c2d875769a891c2644cdd551842f6170&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2394&height=1216

my last starter base

[barren lance]

That is pretty goodhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558721941410807812/1455772116816498801/image.png?ex=698a042f&is=6988b2af&hm=86fc9fc34e812b80d4d18071b5c3bc2f8735a70ad34033530459f3c0d857bc73&

This was the top down on 1/4 of my whole old factory

And this is very organized compared to my other builds

[vapid gorge]

that's how it goes 🙂 the image of that last starter factory of mine is only so neat and tidy because it's like the 5th time I've done that

smetlers floor 1, constructors floor 2, ect ect

[barren lance]

I do want to know your opinion on my heavy modular frame and my fused modular frame factory. It produces 3.75 of both/min and I don't know if I should change it because I am not sure if this is organized enough for a temporary factory that I would only keep around for 20-25 hours of play time

[queen umbra]

I did with 50gw

[barren lance]

So 200gw is too much?

[queen umbra]

Never

[barren lance]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=2ExrfccxGa5xrOJHeu7F

[vapid gorge]

I mean you do you but 200gw of fuel power is painful

[barren lance]

This was the factory I was planning on building before I try to touch phase 4 goal

[vapid gorge]

200gw of fuel is at best 320 fuel gens
or, nicely, 32 nuclear gens

[vapid gorge]

I don't find having a factory plan with that many outputs helpful :\ breaking it up saves your life

[barren lance]

How do you do that?

Like do you just produce a metric ton of one material in a factory to the point where you can just pull from the factory using a transport system like trains or drones if you need it for a factory and where you never need to touch that resource ever again?

[vapid gorge]

Well I'll make a factory plan for like 20 computers. That's it

but that's a post tier 9 thing - I don't even make plans until I unlock everything

[barren lance]

Oh so you do just do everything half-way until tier 9 and only then is when you fully initiate a plan?

[vapid gorge]

and It's not like you can't have multiple outputs for a factory plan, it's often convenient to have 2 or 3 if you're using the same resources and item parts.
but it gets hectic

[wind spade]

@abstract island pick any recipe that you want, there's more hard drives than recipes anyway

if you don't know, just flip a coin

[wind spade]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[somber sedge]

update, i gave up on nuclear

[oblique hollow]

Better luck next time

[somber sedge]

Because the effort to reward ratio was pretty crap, I realized this after analyzing both the logistics trees of nuclear and fuel

[unique cypress]

Yeah nuclear is pretty meh until like 500 GW

[mint coral]

its a lot of work for sure. Rocket fuel is the simpler option.

[somber sedge]

If they doubled the nuclear output, I would definitely consider it

[mint coral]

did you calculate the power increase from plutonium rods? the waste from plutonium is very small. a several year storage plan is easily achieved

[unique cypress]

It's only +88% at best and you have to deal with waste

Not a great deal

[vapid gorge]

it doesn't need many resource types
has more steps, but each are smaller

literally 1/10 the generators and piping of fuel

[mint coral]

Tbf over 7 runs ive never done nuclear. I am this time to experience it

[somber sedge]

I did not even consider plutonium, I thought that was optional

[somber sedge]

I was comparing base nuclear to rocket fuel

[mint coral]

plutonium is your next available sink point. you use it or sink it. Uranium waste builds up real quick in comparison

[raw pike]

I only tried nuclear when I unlocked || ficsonium || so that I can treat that as the final byproduct of nuclear power and have the other powerplants produce energy as the byproduct as well

[mint coral]

Also pluto rods sink for 153,184 each

[somber sedge]

The current petroleum plant I'm building should give me 144,000 MW of power

[vapid gorge]

it is optional

[orchid brook]

I have 6 belts of rubber each 600 and i wanna move them from here to there and i have 6 fraight carts

[mint coral]

provided you have mk5 belts you should have enough throughput. Just put a industrial storage or two for each freight care on each side

[orchid brook]

ok thanks

first time with trains kinda scared

[mint coral]

trial and error will get you far. its trains not rocket surgery. You got this

[graceful oak]

i haven't completed all tiers of phase 1 yet because i dont have an line of encased beams im hoping to achive 20 per minute but i dont know how many machines ill need and how many recourses per minute ill need either can someone help me out

[mint coral]

@wind spade lately this has been showing up. is this a user error?

[cinder silo]

One of my basics facilities is definitely making progress, I'll tear down the inadequate thing in the dunes once this is running.

4 remaining groups of machines, how best to divide them between the two floors is the challenge.

This is the operational part.

[mint coral]

i got to play a little yesterday and started my train infrastructure and installed skyui to make it day all the time as night time really strains the eyes

[cinder silo]

My own eyesight isn't great, I have to walk away from the pc a lot, better that than eyestrain.

[wind spade]

from Tools FAQ:

I'm getting weird boxes with 0x Machine or -0x Machine that aren't connected to anything
This sometimes happens because computers are not exactly accurate when dealing with decimal numbers. You can safely ignore these boxes.

it's basically kinda related to how computers handle floats and due to technological and design limitations it's not really easy to get rid of those.

[mint coral]

thanks i'll check there first next time

[cinder silo]

From a user standpoint, disabling converter recipes should make that box vanish since it isn't used anyway in the plan.

[wind spade]

that should be the case

but you may get a non-converter box instead 😄

[cinder silo]

One can only try 😄

[mint coral]

i like the floating temporary sink

[cinder silo]

The puzzle of what machine group goes where is still occupying my time though, I'm sort of trying to make both floors take up a similar amount of space, right now I have the 37 industrial beams going to depot, the other 3 aren't sorted yet.

[cinder silo]

There will be a single, but permanent sink there, I haven't picked where to site it.

Possibly be below the factory, just above the water similar to how I do the water extractors.

[mint coral]

i figured it was that OR you havent set up the section of the factory to use those parts

[cinder silo]

Oh no, this is the basics depot feed plant, so I can eliminate two, older, way clunkier and much smaller output factories in the dunes to free up two pure iron nodes that I'm wasting with mk1 miners and spaghetti.

[mint coral]

fair. I thought it maybe stuff for Reinforced plating or moduler frames or something like that

[cinder silo]

All the outputs shown on the plan will be into depots: #math-and-meta message , the one with the red check mark is actually reaching its depot.

[mint coral]

gotcha

[cinder silo]

I'm actually using the picture as my guide since I can cross off production sections that are accounted for.

Technically speaking, the rods are also produced, I need to push some through a smart splitter so its output can will recieve.

[mint coral]

i get that. i do this too. i have each factory saved in a folder with a image of tools as well as the imported file and spreadsheet for it

[cinder silo]

Got the rods going to stores now, though once I produce rip, I'll need to reverse the smart splitter.

[queen umbra]

Ok it might sound crazy but should I try doing this
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=hPiHS8GSSBLGMwOjQKkb

[mint coral]

crazy naw, but you will have a logistics challenge using 1/4 of all the coal

[queen umbra]

Yeah but I still could use converter to make coal

And I would need temporary a lot more power to kick start it

[mint coral]

for sure. its absolutely doable. you may want to bump up the coal gathered to provide buffers for distance traveld and such

[mint coral]

break it down into small nodes. this will allows you to generate power as you need it.

[queen umbra]

Yeah that is what I thought doing but it would be a crazy build I think I will try it. A big challenge

I have automated power shard so I can reduce the amount of building by at least 2

[mint coral]

my small packaged diluted fuel facility only uses 300oil /min. but it is in four sections. each section powers 1/4 the fuel generators and other then the inital filling of the refineries for HOR they are seperate systems. allowing me to trouble shout and upgrade them in segments. i can turn off 1/4 of them to upgrade into turbofuel while the remianing 3/4 are still active for example

[queen umbra]

I mean it looks easy at a smaller scale it's not that big of a factory if you get what I mean

[queen umbra]

That's smart

[somber sedge]

i need 5 packagers but the input is more than what pipes can handle

would this setup work?

for the max pipe thruput, they can feed 2.5 packagers

so in theory id need 2 packagers + 1 packager at 50% (whole twice)
so thats a total of 6 packagers

but instead of having 2 packagers at 50%, could i have one at 100%??

this would also neatly fit everything in my blueprint

[grave narwhal]

could you use valves to limit the output towards the middle packager (120 per side)? it then makes the 2 pairs either side have the even 240 each

[somber sedge]

but valves are demonic

i dont want my factory to get possessed

[grave narwhal]

to use valves to their utmost potential, becoming one with the valves is most essential

[frosty owl]

I've been stuck in that phase for the past month or so 😆
Admittedly, making the production as huge as I did probably made drawing the factory plan in my head all the more difficult 😅 (it ended up needing more than 90 GW)

The resulting facility might even beat your facilities in size :P (... If you consider your individual factories rather than the whole save, that is xD)

[somber sedge]

ill figure it out

it seems theres literally not enough supher nearby

[mint coral]

thats on purpose you must move the sulfer or build near it

Sulfer is ot required to beat the game it is optional

[mint coral]

that being said there is two pure nodes thats 2x1200 near with a canyon to move it through

[cinder silo]

I finally got the basics puzzle worked out, the place is provisionally running now.

I do need to follow the rods belt though, I'm seeing 10 more than expected reach the depot, I must have made a mistake somewhere.

[hearty flower]

Yeah this works, though I'd suggest adding a pipe that connects the far left junction to the far right junction to form a loop and reduce the "sloshing" that the dead-ends would cause

[dark sequoia]

I finally have something to post in this channel

[neat kelp]

2550 what 😅

[dark sequoia]

Km/h in a train. No mods.

I knew my teachers lied when they said labelling the axis was worth my time.

[neat kelp]

ik the graph but how do you achieve that speed ?

[dark sequoia]

Super easy

90 degree railing trick + vanillaporter trick + the power of friendship = 2550 km/h train speed in vanilla.

[ashen sentinel]

find the limit as x approaches infinity:)

[dark sequoia]

See graph

The chump zone has a clearly defined limit. This solves the paradox.

[oblique hollow]

no they arent, thats a skill issue statement

[timid meadow]

does anyone know why 83.3333% pops up all the damn time when underclocking for nice number?

[frosty owl]

Depends on your preferences for "nice" numbers :P
Some production steps can be made to match nicely, others not quite without scaling things up quite a bit... Alt recipes can add to the complexity as they can work for or against you in this regard too ^^

[vapid gorge]

nice and bad numbers are figments of your imagination. Change the Per minute to per 1000 minutes and decimals disapear 😛

[oblique hollow]

Reciprocal of 1.2
(1 / 1.2)

It depends on the original recipe numbers of course

But like.... "double it" often works just as magically

Also 0.83333 x 3 is 2.5

[timid meadow]

Yeah, for sure, it just seems like when you set a lot of recipes to that value it becomes easier to make them work together

[timid meadow]

This makes sense, thank you

[oblique hollow]

Got an example recipe?

Probably HMF alt or something

Oh wait i get it

Its going from 60s to 50s

[frosty owl]

There are some "magic numbers" that work well for many (all?) recipes and their combinations, but I don't know much about It as it's a kind of math that I never found interesting 😅

[oblique hollow]

0.83333 is indeed just a way to go from multiples of 30 to multiples of 25

[wind spade]

It's 5/6 🙂

[timid meadow]

this is probably the best answer lol

[oblique hollow]

Doing 166.6666% would be equivalent as thats going from 30 to 50

It would just be 2 x bigger than 83.3333% of course

same for doing 250%
thats 3 x bigger

[somber sedge]

@wind spade all hail the 8 sinks

[placid inlet]

Guys I have a math question about statistics but I can't seem to figure it out

In a gacha game I have 3 rolls

Each roll has a 50% chance of giving me a character

But, it's impossible to lose the 50/50 two times in a row. If you lose once, you're guaranteed to win once

What's the chance that with 3 rolls, I get 2 characters?

I'm trying to ideally learn how to do this mathematically not just by calculating every possible scenario

[somber sedge]

what

[somber sedge]

thats not true

it is definately possible to lose the 50/50 two times in a row

[sacred spade]

not in the gacha

[somber sedge]

infact, it is possible to lose the 50/50 a billion times in a row

[sacred spade]

it's rigged

[somber sedge]

oh i thought they were falling for the gamblers fallacy, didnt realize that was a game mechanic

[placid inlet]

No, it is a rule imposed by the game

[somber sedge]

well i think youll have better luck asking in a gatcha server, where people know how that game works

this is satisfactory

[placid inlet]

Well it's a pure math question

[sacred spade]

I'm thinking it's a 50/50 chance that you get 2 characters

[placid inlet]

Consider it a coin flip:

You flip a coin 3 times, however its impossible to get heads two times in a row. What's the probability that you get tails 2 or more times?

That's the question, in short

[sacred spade]

To simplify, we can assume the first flip is heads. That means the next roll HAS to score a tails, so there's now a 50/50 chance

If you rearrange it such that the loss occurs in the middle, it's still a 50/50 chance as there's only one undecided position

[wind spade]

you have these possibilities (L = lose, W = win):

LWL
LWW
WLW
WWL
WWW

so, 4/5 give you 2+ characters

[wind spade]

then it would be better to ask it in #off-topic-general, as this is indeed SF-related channel

however the answer I've given above should be correct, so no need to repost it elsewhere now, just for possible future questions keep in mind proper channels 🙂

[placid inlet]

You mean 4/5? 4 of them have two wins

[wind spade]

yeah 4/5, typo

[flint crystal]

Sigh I am giving up, I am too stupid to split belts...

I need to get 2 even belts to 5 even belts, I thought I had it...

I have build a more compact blueprint but I hope this shows what I'm doing (and maybe what I do wrong)

As far as I know, I am here splitting both belts into 2.5, merging the .5 belts in the middle and then outputting a full belt from the elevator at the top.

[wind spade]

why not clock the machines appropriately?

if you have 40/min on a belt, hook it to a machine that needs 40/min

or if you don't want to mess with clock speed, you can also just do this

|           |
V           V
|           |
S--S--M--S--S
|  |  |  |  |

[unique cypress]

I'd just ignore that the input belts are even and use a 2:5 balancer
Or even ignore making output belts even and use a mixer

[flint crystal]

A mixer? You mean manifold ?

Won't work I think when dealing with 6k copper out of 8 belts (limited to mk5)

Also @wind spade that above graph doesn't output equal amounts sadly

[wind spade]

it will once it balances

!wikisearch manifold

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[wind spade]

same principle

[unique cypress]

this is a mixer #math-and-meta message
it connects every input to every output so it can all balance itself once it fills

[flint crystal]

Interesting, ill play around with that a bit

[summer flare]

That works. I take it you realise that the merger input and loopback means the input is limited to 5/6 of whatever the belt maximun throughput is.

[flint crystal]

Yeah.. That's why it wasn't working, i'm a dumbass

[vapid gorge]

why would a manifold not work?

[summer flare]

If you want a non-bottlenecked version, the "simplest" I have is this:

[flint crystal]

Nevermind forget what I said, I guess ill just manifold. Load balancing sucks ass in this game :/

Wanted to make one factory where everything is nice and even but can't have that 😄

[celest rune]

I just do manifolds :P

Takes a while to fill up, but it works

[flint crystal]

Yeah for a bit it looked extremely satisfying to see 20 equal belts going to machines (too bad the volume was too low because of the limitation)

If I only had mk6 it would be fine

Went as far to even do a 600 copper belt in a 1 to 40 split (4x 600 belts so that took a bit of time)

I never thought 2 to 5 would be this much of a pain in the ass

[unique cypress]

A 2:5 balancer isn't that bad

It's a 3:6 with 1 belt looped back

[flint crystal]

Aye, but I need my belt to be 750/min and only have mk5

@summer flare I just build this and it works! 300 on every belt 🎉

I may have to rething this whole load balancing thing, must have spend 15 hours on it so far..

And this is only 5 nuclear pasta/min

[harsh swift]

Time for my first mega build (by my standards) still debating on recycled rubber with the resin from the recycled plastic but the extra effort gains me 66 more rubber if my math is correct, of which I’m not using that much yet

[celest rune]

Holy

The only big project I did was do recycled plastic entirely, turning 1200 oil into 2400 plastic using recycled plastic and rubber, + diluted fuel in the blender

It'll keep me good on plastic for a good while

[harsh swift]

You just saved me the math almost lol knowing I still have 1800 crude available on the west coast means I have more room for plastic and rubber. I doubt power will be a problem for a while as I still have a turbo fuel plant running lol

[celest rune]

I used the 1200 oil near the middle of the map near the northern forest for the plastic plant

The satisfactory tools website helped me TREMENDOUSLY

Selected the recipes ill use. And it calculated the best route to take to make the factory

I followed it. And now I can use 2400 plastic a min

Im honestly planning on turning the spire coast into either a turbofuel power plant, or nuclear power plant area

Not sure which one i should go for yet tho

Maybe i should move the power plant infront of the rocky desert. And keep the ocean near the spire coast as a potential turbofuel plant

[harsh swift]

Blue crater is a great place for turbo fuel as coal and sulfur are on site

I like using satisfactory tools to proof check my math but I find great joy in working it out myself

[celest rune]

Then what should I use all the spire coast oil for???

Cause im mainly using that whole ocean near it for the nuclear plant i have

[harsh swift]

Plastic and rubber seems a safe bet or more power. I used it for all 3 by using the HOR and diluted recipes to get the most out of it

I haven’t even touched nuclear yet lol no idea where I’m building that

[celest rune]

The blue circle is where my nuclear power plant is

[mint coral]

Just so you know you don't have to build nuclear. Rocket fuel is a good option too

[celest rune]

Looks like im doing a ton of pipework to be able to use all the oil LOL

[harsh swift]

I’ve figured from the numbers I’m getting as is lol I’ll build a small one as I’ve never done it before and want to experience it, but I’m propping my world up on fuel power

[celest rune]

Pipe it all to the rocky desert, and use it there

[unique cypress]

fyi, 1200 oil -> 2400 plastic is not the most you can get. 1200 oil can become up to 3600 plastic (or rubber)

[harsh swift]

Ooooo I like these numbers

[mint coral]

Recycled plastic and rubber is crazy

[harsh swift]

It really is, I’m only going small scale but the gains are huge! The power of alts

[mint coral]

Costly though. Its a lot of oil power and space.

Generally power is not a concern for me. I like making power plants more then anything

[harsh swift]

Definitely! Thankfully my recycled plastic is coming as a byproduct of making a power plant so it pays for itself lol but if I need more then it’s a different matter, generally I only make power plants on huge scale, everything else is rather modest (by the games standards)

[mint coral]

#satisfactory-memes message

[harsh swift]

Loved that meme lol did I need to do this? No! Am I going to do this…. Yes absolutely

[celest rune]

How do you get 3600???

[unique cypress]

just turn on all recipes in SFTools lol
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=RwzbV3bN5v40KWqjs3VK

[celest rune]

Aight

[vast timber]

How many fuel generators can I use with 8 refineries producing fuel from heavy oil residue ?

[harsh swift]

RIP I forgot about pipe balancing when doing my math 😭

[cinder silo]

Damn heh, that space I used for the processing facilities to suck up all the spire oil and make boat loads of rubber & plastic.

[celest rune]

Im gonna pipe the oil over to the rocky desert, silly I know, but I wana do it

oh

[cinder silo]

I piped into the dunes last time so I can't really judge there, my processing there is partially online, producing 6000 plastic & 1500 resin (processing and sorting aren't built yet), I want to get the rubber refineries working first, those will output 3200 rubber & a further 800 resin before I design the sorting and further processing refinery.

[celest rune]

The cost of this is INSANE

[celest rune]

Im planning on using the ocean infront of the spire coast as a nuclear power plant. So I have to pipe the oil somewhere else. And the ocean near the rocky desert is perfect for that

[cinder silo]

This is the plan for each of the platforms (23 total) 15 plastic & 8 rubber, note the simplicity, but also the lack of startup ability, each of the loop refineries needs to be primed with 100 of each resource, or it won't start at all, ever.

Once running though, the system is pretty bulletproof, and I don't sort the resin out on site as it complicated the recycle loop within the platform, so in the end all 2300 resin will be addressed at the sorting plant that I have planned for the east end of the spire.

[celest rune]

So i can move the oil to the rocky desert, and use that as maybe, a turbofuel power plant. Or I turn the blue crater into the turbo fuel plant

Not sure. I still Wana use the spire coast oil regardless

[cinder silo]

The reason for sorting is each platform sends its output, 400 product & 100 resin on one belt.

I'm aiming to use it all because I'm massively increasing production of computers etc over what I did in my old save, so using the recycle approach triples my old production, it's also why I chose individual refinery platforms instead of the monolith in my old save, one building would have been triple of the size of the old one and that was horrible to troubleshoot.

[celest rune]

I still dont know what I should use the oil for

[cinder silo]

I'm also producing more plastic than rubber this time, last time I used nearly all my plastic production, but rubber had two entire lines go unused.

[celest rune]

I need to increase computer production

Idk whether to stick with the base recipe. Or use caterium computers

[harsh swift]

I plan to put my nuclear on this island lol it has nothing else there so why not

[cinder silo]

I apologise if I an slow with responses, I'm still doing mandatory workplace training, that's renewed yearly, I've done data protection & fire safety, I'm on information security now 💤

[celest rune]

I mean, I have a ton of plastic

[cinder silo]

Also, last time, I used caterium computers, I need to re-evaluate my choice this time since the base computer recipe was changed.

I might still use caterium because its numbers played nice with super computers, I'll look more closely when I get to it.

[celest rune]

Ill stick with normal, circuit boards, cable, and plastic, each of which I have TONS of

And numbers work out well when overclocked slightly

[rotund zinc]

Okay a a question about trains. Would you recommend to make two stations in which the input is 1200/min per plattform or make one with 2400/min? The item is ores so they only stack on 100. My instincts say 2 separate stations but what do you say?

[outer vale]

you cannot have a platform that can does 2 full belts due to the load/unload pause

though 2 stations is not the same as 2 platforms

[celest rune]

Which is why I put buffers infront of the platforms to make sure everything runs as they should

[outer vale]

one station with however many platforms is fine

[outer vale]

as you should, but that doesn't make the impossible any more possible, the platform belts pause whether you buffer or not

[dusky dust]

Buffers still don't let you get a full 2x-max-belt throughput on a single platform. The load/unload delay will hit you no matter what. Buffering is good to do regardless, especially as your required throughput goes up. But 2x-max-belt speed is impossible even with them

(Though you can, of course, get far more than 2x-max-belt-speed once you start adding more freight cars. :)

[warped tendon]

You may be able to combat that with a nearby node providing a few hundred or maybe less to the buffer box.

[outer vale]

then that's not sending the full amount through trains 😛

[warped tendon]

Indeed

[outer vale]

but I mean just use 2+ platforms

multiple stations are generally for distinct sets of items, or routes

[dusky dust]

The 27-second delay will hit you no matter what. Shoving more into the buffer doesn't change that

[outer vale]

if you just need to spread the load, have more platforms (and possibly trains, if you need more throughput)

[dusky dust]

For 27 seconds out of every round trip, the freight platform will not accept (or unload) material

So even if you're shoving a full 2x-your-max-belt-speed into it, it cannot actually receive/send 2x-your-max-belt-speed

The buffer absolutely helps even out that 27-second delay, so you can approach your theoretical max as much as possible, but it's a hard limit

[outer vale]

I think their idea was that you only ship like 1.8 belts worth via train and then the other 0.2 belts worth from a completely unrelated source get merged into the buffer. Which is obviously not using the train for the whole amount so shifting goalposts, but sure, would get you the full 2 belts

[dusky dust]

Ah, gotcha

[vast timber]

Hey I have a question so I just set up my fuel generator power plant which uses one pure oil node to connect 8 refineries producing 2 heavy oil which I can connect to another 8 refineries generating 4 fuel each so if I use the alt heavy oil residue which gives 4 heavy oil residue will I be able to connect 8 more refineries making fuel ??

Is this math correct

[outer vale]

easiest way to check'd be to plug it into a planner like Tools

[scenic ruin]

I have a question about train stops. I want to import 5700 bauxite per miinute, but my belts can only transport 1200 bauzite per minute, and i have 4 exit ports of my trainstation, so only 4800 max per minute. Is there a way to make sure everything gets emptied at once to lets say 5 belts? thanks in advance

[outer vale]

that's actually less than 4800 max per minute due to the unload pause

so no, you need more platforms

[scenic ruin]

so longer trains too then?

[viscid python]

Yes

[outer vale]

gonna struggle to unload onto platforms with no carriage there, yes 😛

[scenic ruin]

alright, that helps a lot. Also, with trains with more than 4 carriages i heard they slow down, so then have 2 trains on the same rail right? but spaced out

[outer vale]

you should generally decide how many platforms you want/need and build trains to match that, rather than try and standardise on any particular platform count

[viscid python]

Always always build your rail platforms bigger than you think you need so you can make the train longer later with few problems

[outer vale]

you can have more than one engine per train

[viscid python]

I always add two empty stations worth of space

[outer vale]

4 carriages per engine is a good rule of thumb but it depends on how hilly your route is, how full the carriages are etc for if that's actually an issue

[scenic ruin]

ah alright i see, lots of great tips, that helps a lot. thank you so much! I'll test it all and find out what works best

[outer vale]

on the tips note then:
on platforms, you want to have a buffer double storage, with both its inputs or outputs (as appropriate) connected to the platform.
When trains [un]load they pause the belts going into and out of the platform, so that buffer helps to, well, buffer against that. Also means that you can never get two full belts out of one platform constantly

[scenic ruin]

alright I'll make sure to keep that in mind, great!

[rotund zinc]

So you can get one Mk6 and one Mk5 constantly from one platform?

lol no I’m dumb

[dusky dust]

-# can't be a wage slave if you collect no wages!

[hasty hamlet]

Can someone help me. I have no clue how to split the Water Pipes, for my Alu Setup

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=2hLCO4qXWceEsDqsI2ed

[vapid gorge]

like this

blue line is fresh, red is waste

don't merge them

[dusky dust]

Yeah, basically that, but additionally: chop it into smaller separate modules (at least for the ingot production) so that you can easily stick within pipe limits

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah, process each individual bauxite line on it's own

[dusky dust]

WIth those numbers, I'd personally maybe do it in three modules -- each takes in 250/min fresh water and uses 250/min recycled

[vapid gorge]

don't link them all up, becomes a nightmare

[dusky dust]

(and produces 500/min Alumina Solution)

That way you're comfortably within mk2 pipe limits at all steps

[hasty hamlet]

I have 1500 Alu Solu

[dusky dust]

Though there's plenty of other ways you could carve it up

[dusky dust]

Right: if you do three modules and each is making 500/min, there's your 1500/min

You're likely to need underclocking/overclocking to make the numbers work out nicely, but that's how it goes at this point in the game. :)

[hasty hamlet]

I will try my best haha

[vapid gorge]

imo it's simplest just taking in the raw bauxite lines you're bringing in and process each individual belt as is, then clock the next step to send the 'right' numbers down the line

[dusky dust]

Yeah, that's nearly always how I do it

[main thicket]

is it possible to clip through the ground with a personel elevator? i want to make an underground train station and i cant figure out how to reach it besides glitching underground with a train

[outer vale]

not very mathy... last I checked the floor still stops you going through

trains and hypertubes are the ways I used

you could also use somewhere that's got an exposed way down to the void

[round hamlet]

I'm trying to calculate how much Uranium I should use for Fuel Rods and how much I should reserve for Fertile Uranium to maximize my Plutonium output. What ratios should I try to find, and how do I use those ratios to find out how much uranium I have to reserve for uranium fuel rods?

I'm assuming the most efficient recipes too (namely infused uranium cell and uranium fuel unit)

I have uranium-per-waste as 2100/504, based on the maximum amount of Uranium Fuel Rods you can make per minute times 10 to retrieve the waste quantity

and I know I need 1:1 uranium and waste to use the Fertile Uranium alt

and because the most efficient recipe here is Instant Plutonium Cell, there doesn't need to be any Waste left over to make Plutonium Pellets

oh wait my ratio is ABYSMALLY wrong

it's 50 waste per rod- I read its per-minute number off the wiki

the fool, me...

so:
u : w = 105 : 126

WAIT WHAT
HOW? HOW is it so nice?!?!
it simplifies to 5:6

...still... need... to actually figure out how to get an answer out of that realization though

[celest rune]

Wait wdym?

I have 16 nuclear gens rn. All overclocked to 250%

How much waste is that exactly-?

[round hamlet]

That's not what my ratio measures

[celest rune]

Then whats the ratio for-?

[round hamlet]

Raw uranium required to make Waste

[celest rune]

Ohhhh

[round hamlet]

I'm trying to find how much uranium out of the 2100 maximum that I have to reserve to end up with the 1 : 1 Waste : Uranium ratio to make as much Fertile Uranium as possible

[celest rune]

Cause i need to turn the waste from 16 overclocked nuclear gens into plutonium, but i have NO idea where to start

[round hamlet]

Well... I can help with that kinda

16 gens times 250% equals... 40 at 100%? so you're producing... 400 waste per minute

(sorry got my numbers wrong for a moment there)

Then you gotta decide how efficiently you want to convert waste to Plutonium rods
if you're trying to sink the waste, then you'll want to use the simplest recipes probably

I use the Production Planner on the Satisfactory Tools website, and you can give the calculator there the amount of Waste you have as an input resource

[celest rune]

Yea. I wana sink all the waste for now

I dont wana deal with plutonium untill I can turn that waste into something else

[round hamlet]

by going into "Items, Input" and adding a custom resource (in this case Waste) to the available resources for the calculator on the right side

Then use the Recipes tab to restrict the calculator into using only the recipes you want to use (and turn off the Converter in the Machines tab assuming you don't have/don't want to use it)

Then go back to the Production tab, click "search or select item", choose Plutonium Fuel Rods, then just to the right hit "per minute" and select "maximize" in that menu instead

[mint coral]

This is where the scim calculator is better then tools. It'll tell you waste needed and such.

[round hamlet]

huh, neat
I just find the interface on that site to be completely unreadable... I've tried

[celest rune]

Same tbh

[mint coral]

Same. But sometimes a little suffering can help with a headache. I often do everything on spreadsheets then use tools to double check my work

[round hamlet]

fair

[celest rune]

"Double check my work" feels like im in math class rn

[round hamlet]

welcome to satisfactory man... you start with counting and end up at calculus

[celest rune]

AHAHAH

[round hamlet]

I'm being a little hyperbolic but whatever

[mint coral]

If schools used this approach we would have more educated students

[celest rune]

Wait, which approach?

Using satisfactory as a teaching tool?? Lol

[round hamlet]

Urgh...

[celest rune]

wtf

WHAT IS THATTTTT-

[unique cypress]

Fyi, you get 1140 and 950 with 2090 uranium instead of 2100

Also, fertile uranium is kind of a terrible recipe if you're going for power

[celest rune]

Are you graphing something?? If so...what??

[round hamlet]

🤯 YES thank you!

[round hamlet]

really? I thought it would give me more fuel rods

[celest rune]

What about the instant plutonium one??

[unique cypress]

It does. Plutonium rods. At the cost of more than double the uranium rods. Which means you actually get less power per uranium ore than without it (1.05 TW vs 1.19 from 2100 Uranium, not including Ficsonium)

[round hamlet]

y = 2100-x to represent total uranium remaining
y = 5x/6 to represent amount of waste produced

[unique cypress]

It's okay good if you want Plutonium rods. Specifically. For some reason

[round hamlet]

Gotcha, gotcha

[celest rune]

So... what should I use to get rid of 400 waste a min??