math-and-meta

[chilly holly]

if i keep progressing at the rate i am, probably by next weekend (i can only play on weekends)

[vapid gorge]

it doesn't rely on any exploits for priority and is essentially unbreakable unless you make mistakes - and nothing can really stop user error

but it's very simple if you understand basic ratios

[vapid gorge]

later on there's a gas that's a byproduct you can reuse basically in the exact same method

and you kind of have to since you can't package it and gasses can't have priority

[chilly holly]

Ok thanks

[vapid gorge]

no sweat 🙂

[median hill]

ok so satisfactory tools isn't really helping me so can anyone help me figure how many refineries i can have making fuel if i'm using two pure oil nodes both overclocked to 250% putting out 600 per minute feeding 20 heavy oil residue refineries each making 40 per minute?

[rich lichen]

hey could someone help me? im currently trying to power 10 coal generators 100% clock speed with 2 pure coal generators 250% clock speed, the first 7 generators are fine but the last 3 get basically no coal and wont turn on and im not sure how to fix it, ive tried splitting the conveyor belt before it reaches the generators so 50% for the first 7 then 50% for the last 3 but then the last 2 generators on the normal line dont get much power either, Im sure its an easy fix and im just being stupid but idk what to do

just while im waiting ill try explain it a little better, from right-left ive labelled them number 1-10 respectively, 1-7 is completely fine, 8-10 dont get enough coal, after adding a splitter to the start of the belt now 8-10 are fine but 5-7 dont get enough coal and Im very confused as to how to fix this

[vapid gorge]

just set your limit to 1200 oil and maximise https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=tpy5srQaGYgMEr9BnZ04

[vapid gorge]

what belt are you using?

[rich lichen]

I thought that could be the reason😔 mk 2

[vapid gorge]

throughput of belt and pipes are the core limitations to layout and design for the whole game 🙂

!wikisearch cg

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[vapid gorge]

these are convenient coal layouts

8 gens need 120 coal pm, so 1xmk2 belt and 3x water extractors

find yourself a patch of land with water and 3-4 coal nodes, and just burn it all

[rich lichen]

so mk2 belts should work?

[vapid gorge]

for 8 generators, that need 15 coal pm each? yes

[rich lichen]

okay perfect thank you, ill disable 2 of the gens and hopefully that can get the 8 fully functional

[vapid gorge]

also I wouldn't bother over clocking coal generators early game. It doesn't give you more power per coal unit

[rich lichen]

until mk 3 belts anyway

[rich lichen]

yeah I was thinking that but just wanted to try everything before I went to get help its been a while since I made a coal plant like that

[vapid gorge]

just do the basic maths 🙂 you'll see how it goes efore you build it

[wind spade]

working on some finishing touches for Wiki parser (it is already being used on current wiki, just not opensourced yet)

What's the general consensus about the definition of "alt recipe"? Locked behind HDD? Has "Alternate:" in english name? Has "Alternate" in classname? Something else?

me f.e. I'd consider "Turbofuel" as an alt, since it's locked behind HDD

[wind spade]

How to "finally" define what "Alternate recipe" is?

[frosty owl]

BTW, what's a wiki "parser" supposed to be? Something like a chatbot?

[wind spade]

input: Docs.json
output: data in format wiki can read

purpose is for automation of game updates (at least for things like recipes and such)

many tables in wiki where recipes or machines are listed are already generated by scripts that read the parser data

[queen umbra]

Why is satisfactory tool not helping

[tame pawn]

I think I started not to long ago

i started playing on the 5th of this month

[hard token]

Tried to evenly distribute the iron ores. What you guys think?

[vapid gorge]

much easier to process each node individually and merge the output as needed.
Because you can overclock you're generally limited by your belt speed anyway

[hard token]

oh

[vapid gorge]

and when you unlock clocking in the MAM it become a trivial problem to do that

[unique cypress]

tied and failed, most likely

unless you took into account how many items each miner produces

but this is not a balancer, so the outputs belts aren't guaranteeed to be equal

they might be in this case, but impossible to say

[hushed silo]

it seems unnecessary but idk if its the solution u need

maybe u do, maybe u like it

what i think tho is that its not right to judge starting build that is supposed to just work

most of ppl i saw play in the early game tap one node and make just one item out of that then tap another

[tame pawn]

well ive unclkoed tier 5 and 6 and im scared

where should i starrt

[mint coral]

Depends... are you making everything from the previous tiers?

[tame pawn]

no the only thing i havent automated is mortor shoudl i ?

evrything else yes

[mint coral]

Motors are big. Youll need them for oil related production.

[tame pawn]

i see

so make a fac for that first

[mint coral]

Good idea. I made a factory for rotors stators and motors. Ten of each going into depots

[tame pawn]

yup got it thanks

[mint coral]

Steel rotors simplify the factory if that helps.

[tame pawn]

right

[tame pawn]

wiat like is that a dif recp?

[wind spade]

decide what you want to make, make that, repeat

[mint coral]

No, you gotta find a harddrive. Its steel pipes and wire. Makes it the same as stators.

[tame pawn]

ah

[wind spade]

and more expensive

[mint coral]

Like most alt recipies none are perfect. People have there favorites.

[tame pawn]

rightt

[tame pawn]

bruhhhhhh

[mint coral]

[gilded gyro]

The cheeky nobelisk in my pocket

[tame pawn]

lmaooo

[hushed silo]

[tame pawn]

if i have a smart splitter can i type out the exacpt stuff i want? to be split

[wind spade]

yeah, you can specify which item you want it to split

[tame pawn]

but now how muhc

[wind spade]

no

[dusky dust]

(It does not allow you to specify a rate, btw)

[tame pawn]

):

[dusky dust]

No need for something which does that anyway. :)

Just make whatever you need in the exact amounts you need; problem solved!

(or rely on Manifold Logic™)

[tame pawn]

yh

[tame pawn]

10 motor/min

[mint coral]

ten motor, rotor and stator/min

[tame pawn]

very nice

[mint coral]

Ill decorate after I get hover pack lol

[tame pawn]

oh shoot i fogot i need more pweer

[summer galleon]

Is it mets to build 500 industrial cargo containers for nuclear waste

[tame pawn]

my power hast tunred off

.......

am i trying or should my shit be blwoing up

oh nvm im reading t wrong

im dreading the idea of having to build a train system

[dusky dust]

Just start small. Do a simple A->B transfer when you need to move something. Then when you have another need for a transfer, build that out and so long as it's convenient, make it link up with the original somewhere, etc.

Doing a "dual rail" system is basically always best, if you want to have more than one train on the same bits of rails

[tame pawn]

got it

so im setting up oil and ima making platis and rubber but im going to be getting heavy oil residue and i dont see where to trasfe the residue cuz theres only 1 hole in the back?

oh nvm

im blind

can the 4 waqy pipe also wonr as a merger?

[dusky dust]

Pipes are all unidirectional -- a junction could be "merging" or "splitting" or combinations thereof, depending on the current fluid circumstances

[tame pawn]

kk thx

[dusky dust]

(I'd advise creating pipe systems that are simple enough that such questions aren't really apropos in the first place, btw)

(Pipe systems appreciate being short and simple)

[tame pawn]

yh 8 ref inmto 2 ref making fuel

that was my fastest fc 80 plastic 80 rubber and 80 fuel

[glad sparrow]

Okay so I think Im insane, Im using 480 bauxite, with sloppy alumina solution. This takes 240*2 water per minute. On the other side I have aluminum scrap giving 144x2 water per minute, because that lines up the 288 solution well. shouldnt this mean I need 192 water to make up the difference? Every time I do this itbacks up

I have the 2 systems seperate, 96 water being produced by tweo extractors added to the supposed 144 water produced by aluminum scrap, which adds up to 240, which should be the input, but instead it keeps backing up fuckin my whole aluminum plan up

[wind spade]

see image below for separate systems for aluminum that should work

[oblique hollow]

feeding it back in the same pipe is kinda a trap and tends to lock up the system if it doesnt run at 100% efficiency or if it gets interrupted.

[tame pawn]

stuff is not coming out anyoonw know y

[spare ingot]

does the heavy oil residue have somewhere to go?

[tame pawn]

yh

it was working fin then it all stooped one i over lcoked them all

[glad sparrow]

tysm!!!

[wind spade]

need to process HOR

[tame pawn]

huh

[wind spade]

heavy oil residue

[tame pawn]

yh i got u

[oblique hollow]

make coke and dump that in the sink or something

[wind spade]

coal gen

[lethal vessel]

Hi there, I'm new to the discord and the game too. I'm not too sure if I can post this here or if I need to go into either #design-and-architecture or #1038092680493801533 but I made this kind of blueprint layout of what I am going to build now and I am wondering if this is the most efficient it can be at this point of my game or if any of you would change some of the paths?

[wind spade]

that depends how do you define "efficient"

[lethal vessel]

I guess the best I can do for the point that I am at with the materials I have around me? I only have the cast screws recipe for alternative recipes and I am around tier 4. Mainly thinking if the paths I made with these are the best way to set them up for now until I unlock more tech later.

[wind spade]

well it also depends which material you value how much, and so on... there's not really a generic "efficient" in this game, and honestly, as long as you're having fun, you're playing the game the right way

[vapid gorge]

people throw around the word efficienct w/o actually thinking about what they mean by it

[lethal vessel]

Ah I see, Alright thank you very much for the information then. Yeah I am having a lot of fun with the game but when I was recommended it by a friend they said try be as efficient as possible and in my mind that meant to not waste any materials type deal so I think my crafts are fine for now. Thank you very much for the help.

[vapid gorge]

you can be 'efficient' or not, up to you it's a sand box

and honestly the milestones and phases are basically a tutorial to learn. I wouldn't stress about it

also there's different 'efficiencies'
efficient could be continuous production never stopping (not needed but a choice)

efficient could be reducing the amount of 1 or more types of resources for the same output through different recipes? (also optional)

efficient could be how much effort you make to link up different factories (another personal choice)

[lethal vessel]

Ah right I think I understand a bit better now thank you.

[vapid gorge]

no problem! 🙂 efficient can be a lot of things and all of them are optional and up to you 🙂

and , personally, I wouldn't worry about it much while learning the game

[tame pawn]

y wont fuel go into my generator

[vapid gorge]

def too close https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1449232016577925222/1449236887423418488/image.png?ex=69670907&is=6965b787&hm=f1e5cbf6edaa2f85d2349a9172926c18c7a0fc4b8a9e8e36e6ed12311b474780&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

this is the min

rails don't need to visually clip to have their blocks clip

[dapper elbow]

Ok thank you

[tame pawn]

can someone help me with some math i want o make 1000fuel/min which takes 25 refin and 1500 oil but i dont wnat the buyprod to be polymer i want o make plastic and rubber

i8 also want to make packed fuel

but my brain is not working

[vapid gorge]

figure out how much resin you're making and then make a plan for it https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[tame pawn]

i wont want to make resin

[vapid gorge]

so you want to make plastic as your primary output? do that then figure out how much HOR you're making, make fuel out of that

[tame pawn]

so i want to make 12.5k power rubber plastic and packed fuel using jus tthe oil recp into rubber and platic wich give heavy oil resd which i turn that to fuel then take tha tto the generators

which will be 50

[vapid gorge]

figure out how much fuel you need
then have only the Residual Fuel recipe checked
use the planner

[tame pawn]

didt work still made poly res

i think im bout to wip out the old pena nd paper

1 last hope befor pen and paper

[sand epoch]

Just disable all recipes that give resin..?

[tame pawn]

i did

[sand epoch]

Then it can't show you making it.

[tame pawn]

right

[sand epoch]

Only way it can show it is if you have atleast 1 method selected

[vapid gorge]

here https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Alep6ge4AZd2FB46SMwn

[tame pawn]

but i want o make rubber aand packed fuel at the same time

[vapid gorge]

so put that in

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=KytoSAZwxyslToSIOvMW

these are some of hte least oil efficient recipes mind you

[sand epoch]

A given when one has a hate on for resin.

[tame pawn]

i dont even know what it is

just got into oil

[sand epoch]

Then... why?

[tame pawn]

idk?

[sand epoch]

:/

[tame pawn]

well to use the poly i need to add water which im lookinga t

which sounds like it would make it more complacated

[sand epoch]

If you hate complicated.. I have bad news for later.. lol

[vapid gorge]

you're makign things harder for yourself, and that's fine? but yeah.

a lot more fuel if you make plastic and rubber fro mthe resin https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=iWC1I2XfIwOt8NGKfy0F

[tame pawn]

in my head it sounds simmple add crud oil make plastic and rubber from the crude which gives me the rubb and platic plus HOR which then i turn into fuel i split some inot a thingy to makke packed and i split the rest to make powwwwaaaaa 12500MW

ez pz

[fallow loom]

Unfortunately, the easiest way to achieve that end goal is to add water

[tame pawn]

i see

[fallow loom]

if you're willing though, check out the alt recepies for oil->HOR, as well as diluted packaged fuel

you can turn 3 oil into 4 heavy oil, the 4 heavy oil into 8 fuel

it's extra steps galore, but it's the only system i use at this point

[tame pawn]

right

well ive had a change of mind

[fallow loom]

and you get a solid amount of resin on the side to do as you please with

[tame pawn]

i al;rady ahve a plaastic rubber and packed fuel fac

so ima make a new fac for my gen

[fallow loom]

for plastic, rubber, and even cloth if you want

[tame pawn]

and get 12500 of POWAAAAAAAAA

[fallow loom]

yeah, I use a closed loop system on mine, only because the version to not have to use pkged stuff is only unlockable after aluminum production

[dapper elbow]

So would this work ? Or do you think to be safe still to close together? For path and block signals

[fallow loom]

Just have to remember that trains are wider than rails, and the train is only just shy of 1 tile wide, also the signals should be fine since trains don't have collisions with that stuff, unless you care about the clipping

[dapper elbow]

I don’t care about clipping really but the old design I used I liked but realized the tracks are to close together and tried to kinda mimic the pic but do the design I kinda wanted. But just unsure if this one would work sense I just dropped so many hours in to release I can’t do what I wanted

[fallow loom]

I feel that, if you still want extra space on the edges, what I did for my bridges was set a half foundation between the two whole ones, adding a bit of extra width without it looking goofy wide

but as you said, you already build it, so it's all or nothing on the design

[dapper elbow]

I was gonna do that. But I can’t add patterns to it.
I just took the pattern off and changed it make to the normal foundation for the pic so it was easier for people to say yes or no if they thought it was the right with apart.
But spent soo many hours building a track then go to add them couldn’t figure out why none would work. Asked for help and they said to close that’s why tracks needed to be spaced more.
As stupid as it is I like the design of the fences (personal taste) so wanted them still implemented but nervous it may still be to close together

[fallow loom]

Honestly, the best way to find out for sure may just be to place a train on one track, then drive another past it on the other track and see if it goes flying or not

[dapper elbow]

Well even the old design in the first pic trains could easily go past each other without that issue

It was just path and block signals wouldn’t work

[tame pawn]

am i not on the node?

[fallow loom]

oop, that's not quite right I'm afraid

[tame pawn]

the frick

let me gusee

[fallow loom]

unfortunately you need a different machine for nodes of that type

[tame pawn]

i need a diff thing

how did i know

[fallow loom]

you need a "resource well pressurizer" to access those nodes

[tame pawn]

yay

[fallow loom]

it comes at tier 8

[fallow loom]

yeahhhh

[tame pawn]

both?

[fallow loom]

you place the big thing in the middle, then you place the extractors on the branch nodes

[tame pawn]

amazing

[vapid gorge]

my image is the min distance, and will work 🙂

[fallow loom]

if you look at the branch nodes on the ground it gives you the purity rating

[tame pawn]

yh

and u asid tier 8!!!!!!!!

[dapper elbow]

Ok sorry I’m really stupid so the design I have should work? Sorry again stupid and have vision issues was the other reason I was asking

[vapid gorge]

well the last image I saw from you is far too close. Not sure if you've updated it

if you use the basic foundations it has markings that make it easier to see to line up in the centre of them

[fallow loom]

Yeah, advanced aluminum production, also gives you access to nitrogen gas

which can be used to turn turbo fuel into rocket fuel

[vapid gorge]

image is a little dark but that seems correct

[tame pawn]

not there ye fruck

umm ok on the interactive map

iss there a way to tell if the oil is good to mine or if u need the drigger thinga t tier 8

[dapper elbow]

Ok thank you

[vapid gorge]

no prob 🙂

[fallow loom]

ohh, if you look at the tabs, there's a difference between resource nodes and resouce wells

the nodes are what you want for now

[tame pawn]

thx

[tame pawn]

yh foudn them

hmmmm

[fallow loom]

glad to help, anything more?

[tame pawn]

na thats it for thanks alot

got to think now

[fallow loom]

Same, I'm building a 50 refinery array for my new power grid, and that's only for one node

[tame pawn]

damnn

50 on 1 node?

[fallow loom]

It's a pure oil node with full overclock, so 600 oil/min

[tame pawn]

right

that runes 50 refinery

runs

[fallow loom]

Starts with 20, converting into heavy oil, then into 30 more to get my diluted fuel

[tame pawn]

ahhh ook ok

[fallow loom]

It's only the start, with the first 20 starting to be hooked up, but it's gonna be an absolute behemoth of production

And I'm annoyingly the type of builder to have to make sure everything is neat and not clipping

anyways, I'm gonna go to bed, I work in the morning, gn yall!

[tame pawn]

sameee

[tame pawn]

did some math i got 2 poure oil nodes so 600 each but i can 2x it and under clcok at the same time i think so 500 each mine 2x 1000 oil each mine split 4 ways into 40 refin into 333fuel gen for 50k MW but i dont have dilutedd fuel): so time to get soem hard drives

[burnt bluff]

not sure if this will help at all, but it seems you just got oil, are struggling a bit, and seem to be referencing diluted fuel (could mean diluted packaged fuel as a mistake). Diluted fuel is not unlocked as an alt recipe until tier 7, but diluted packaged fuel is unlocked at tier 5. This recipe might make ur set up a bit complex since you will need to package water needing plastic and HOR (Heavy Oil Residue), however, if you are trying to maximize production (depending on which tier you are in) you could get turbo fuel or turbo heavy fuel. I should add you need the compacted coal MAM done along with tier 5 for said recipes ive listed.

my current turbo fuel set up is 200 generators with turbo fuel so 50GW and has been a set and forget well into now phase 4 where im doing a large scale nuclear project, turbo is quite nice and simple imo for ur case.

[hushed silo]

struggling 🚫
grinding ✅

[leaden bough]

my attempt at load balancing

[languid laurel]

No cast screws 😔 but otherwise gj

[leaden bough]

didnt start exploring yet, but yeah cast screws wouldve helped alot

[tame pawn]

i see i did some more math im just going to make normal out of 2 pure nodes and dumble there harvets so ill be getting 2400 crude which willl be 1600 fuel 133 gen 19.50MW

and its should keep it simple

[lapis swift]

Hey guys, I'm pretty new to the game and wanted to try and make a modular frame factory. I've used satisfactory modeler to make a model of what I'm looking to make however I'm unsure how to do the initial layout of conveyor from the miners to the foundries since I require 9.6 foundries while making the basic iron ingot recipe each foundry would get 25 iron ore while the last one needs to get 15. I was looking at guides and was wondering if I should use load balancers or manifolds and how would I go about limiting the input of the final foundry to only 15 while keeping the others to 25. I'm possibly also simply misunderstanding the app and how to split the resources.

[tame pawn]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production this might be better

hold up didt work

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[tame pawn]

so ma math is bad cuz u cant double the crude u take out with a summersloop

[languid laurel]

Imo manifolds are better because they are easier and take less skill and to limit the last foundry to 15 you can underclock a manifold on clicking on the percentage or the output number, set that last foundry to work at 60%

9.6 means 9 foundry’s running at 100% and 1 running at 60%

[lapis swift]

thanks that's what I was wondering on how to proceed with the project

[languid laurel]

Np

You can also open a question in questions and help where you will get advice because your message won’t be lost in other conversations

And gl building your satisfying factories

[mint coral]

I agree manifolds are generally easier. I also like thinking of thing in blocks to help with through put. Prevents things like screw bottle necks.

[wind spade]

Tbh they don't help much

[mint coral]

Just had the realization that I can sloop refineries. Feel like a idiot even after 1000 hours

this solves my need personal fuel issue

[tame pawn]

33 more to go

[mint coral]

@quaint condor I think to combat my addiction to rocket fuel imma sloop fuel off this to make just enough rocket fuel for my jetpack pack. Then go nuclear for power needs

[spare ingot]

she is beautiful

[mint coral]

Are you overclocking fuel gens or are you just raw dawging a insane amount?

[quaint condor]

Rocket fuel isn't an addiction?? ... is it? 🤣

[mint coral]

This will be my eighth complete run if I finish it and I've never done nuclear as rocket fuel suits all my needs

I don't get jet pack fuel from pain rocks

[tame pawn]

Over clicking 2 pure

[mint coral]

I mean the fuel generators themselves

[quaint condor]

Yeah, Nuke is a bit more "work". But definitely worth the "Satisfaction" of completeing one imo 😛

[tame pawn]

Oh no

[mint coral]

But nitro rocket fuel is so good and give petrocoke as a bi product. I love it, I need it, my rocket fuel queen

[quaint condor]

Heh, honestly, you should be turning that RF into Ionized for the jetpack 😏

[quaint condor]

Eh, as said before, Nitro is just a sulfur sink imo.

[mint coral]

Ya, for sure small little skim of slooped packaged fuel - turbo-rocket - ion. All for jet pack

[quaint condor]

How I do it anymore, (the current build I am working on) so that I can recycle the by products back in. Otherwise, I may try a Turbo Blend build some time...

If I were to do it with Turbo Blend:

[mint coral]

I currently have a 20gw packaged diluted fuel setup. I'm just going to sloop one bank of refineries giving me 240 extra packaged fuel.

Ill unpack it and make turbo out of it.

As far as I can tell its the only packaged item you can sloop

[quaint condor]

You can only sloop it before packaging. So, essentiallly, you can sloop any machine "producing" fluid.

As, iirc, you cannot sloop packagers.

[mint coral]

The packages come from the refinery. You can sloop the refinery

[quaint condor]

I.e. the machine "producing" the fluid 😉

[mint coral]

Yup. You got it. Hence it being the only package you can sloop.

It kinda blew my mind and solved my need for personal jetpack fuel

Maybe I need to smoke less leaf

[quaint condor]

Again, you can sloop fuel, rocket fuel, Hell, even sulfiric acid...

[mint coral]

I get that im just putting limitations on myself. I could just tap another oil node too.

Im forcing myself to think diffrently

[quaint condor]

Lol, all I am saying is that Turbofuel isn't the only one 😛

[fallow siren]

Hey if you don't mind me asking what's that website you're using here ?

[quaint condor]

Not a website.. https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/

Steam

Satisfactory Modeler

Model your Satisfactory builds. Set up your machines however you like, adding optional limits to the number of any of those machines and the tool will calculate how the parts will flow and how many of each machine type are getting used.

This does advanced calculations that no other Satisfactory planning tool can do, including figuring out how s…

Purely manual though, There is no "auto generation" of production chains.

[fallow siren]

Ohh damn does it eat alot of power like will it slow my game down or anything ?

Agh okay

Thank you

[quaint condor]

Havn't noticed any issues... and have a couple thousand hours in it 🤣

[fallow siren]

Will give this a look cheers

[quaint condor]

Hard to truly gauge though as it's almost constantly open on my computer 🤣

[summer flare]

Good job - don't let others convince you that you're over thinking it.
The ingot ratios work out though you have an isolated iron rods for the modular frames.
Can I ask what you're doing to balance the required iron ore to the smelters?

[quaint condor]

Also, a decent "primer" on how to use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDBiaOFU0_I

[tame pawn]

RAN OUT OF RUBBER and i delted my fac for rubber to make a bigegr

[quaint condor]

Whoops

[tame pawn]

yh

im crying insiade

[quaint condor]

Don't happen to have a dismantle crate or two with a plethora still in them eh?

[tame pawn]

there was no rubber

):

no sink points

and i was on the ;ast step

ima do it

[quaint condor]

How much more rubber do you need?

[tame pawn]

like 20 fuel gen much

[quaint condor]

Ohhhh 😛 well... you have 5 coupons?

[tame pawn]

nope

[quaint condor]

Go make some DNA capsules 🤣

[tame pawn]

those good for points?

[quaint condor]

Yeah, for a bit. The point requirements go up for every one sunk, but yeah.

Also if you sloop remains and capsules.

And 5 coupons could get you 1000 rubber (1 coupon = 200 Rubber)

[tame pawn]

right

[quaint condor]

But, it's an option anyhow.

[tame pawn]

y him leaving for work so ima afk it

and make some

i can feel em coming

[mint coral]

@gaunt tartan lots of sulfur and Nitro by /in crater

[fallow loom]

Wish me luck, about to do the first full test of my world's first of many diluted fuel refineries!

should hopefully be at least 90% efficiency after some careful planning

[mint coral]

Packaged fuel it looks like?

Good luck

[fallow loom]

Correct, it's using the pckg diluted fuel recipe, and will be powering a bank of gens with a new battery bank structure

I have it dumping fuel into pipes at the right side, where it will be routed to the generators

[mint coral]

Nice.

[fallow loom]

it's only one of the nodes so far and I plan to fully utilize all nodes in this area 😭

[mint coral]

I did the same over the weekend. Although I used more modular setup. Allowing me to wind up and test it one section at a time

[fallow loom]

It's more modular than it looks, it's a repeating pattern with dedicated amounts per merged conveyor for the bottles

in theory I could repeat the pattern infinitely, but that would be chaos

I seriously need to work on progressing other production after I get all these gens placed

[mint coral]

I feel ya, i did a similar thing one bp was refinery for packaged fuel one water packer and on unpacker.

I strung four of them together fed by three Heavy oil residue refineries and a water extractor. And repeated that

[fallow loom]

I was going to run more refineries, but I succumbed to the ease of overclocking

[mint coral]

Been trying not to do that this run. I have overclocked every other time I've played. This run im breaking habits

[fallow loom]

bc the first row is heavy oil, the second is the diluted fuel (133.333% overclock) and the last is just packagers to match the output

[fallow loom]

I am overclocking as little as possible, this is actually my only factory overclocked

[mint coral]

Well if you need a quick expansion you can sloop some of the package refineries lol

[fallow loom]

Lmao

The reason is that I would need to connect 20 refineries to 30 refineries, which is a headache that I tried already, but it is worth the ease for this version for now at least

[mint coral]

Thats what I did here to siphon some for jet pack use lol

[fallow loom]

I just did the math, I need 80 generators to be run off this build

[mint coral]

40 at 200% wootwoot

[fallow loom]

Lol, I have an early starter refinery that will convert from power to pure packaged fuel for my vehicles/jetpack

[mint coral]

I don't. I currently only have the one oil pure node tapped. 20gw of power off of it though

[fallow loom]

Um, anyone have advice for placing 80 fuel generators that won't take up half the map? 😅 😭

[mint coral]

You can stack them. Just make sure you pump higher then the input

[fallow loom]

My last world I speedran into nuclear, so I never had a large amount of fuel gens

[mint coral]

I prefer to always fill from above

You can get four generators on a mk2 blueprinter if that helps

[fallow loom]

Same, under the refinery platform is the water bottler system, which is purposefully lower than the level of the water

[mint coral]

Little things like this removes so many pain points.

They should make ADA make a snarky remark about it

[fallow loom]

Lmao

[mint coral]

It would he a goof way for new ppl to remember

[fallow loom]

even though it's an actual brick of pipes and conveyors, there is no clipping! other than wires that won't cooperate

[mint coral]

Praise the sun

I've been running a metal beam under my machines and attaching the power to that for a clean look

[fallow loom]

after the mess of my last world, i've taken so much extra time planning where things fit and will actually rebuild specifically to avoid any clipping that isn't decoration

I also want to avoid taking over the environment where I don't have to, which has been a challenge

[mint coral]

Ya I've been trying to snake around features

[fallow loom]

Next project for me is setting up truck routes through the entire map for my primary warehouse

it can be jank, but I LOVE the idea of a mega truck stop in each major biome, then from there I might use trains

but for the random points, I really want to use the trucks XD

[mint coral]

I did that last build. I limited myself to one train outpost per biome. Using trucks and drones within biomes

[fallow loom]

Even tempted to make each individual factory to have it's own power for no cross-map wires

so having a similar mega fuel producer that will fuel up each area via the trains

[mint coral]

Good luck. Bed time for me

Nini

[fallow loom]

I got big plans that will take weeks

[fallow loom]

Gn!

[true parrot]

So making power more complicated

nice

If you really want no cross map wires use train tracks to transport power

[fallow loom]

Absolutely, it will be the epitome of my own suffering

[true parrot]

Or use train tracks to save ur suffering because you just making ur own grids and you have to produce exactly enough power for that factory

[leaden bough]

Im thinking of just manifolding them to make it easier

[fluid spoke]

question

so this here is basically a big loop right now

i want to prevent trains from colliding when they exit, but i dont think block or path signals work here for some reason

tbh i dont get trains very well

[vapid gorge]

Just put block paths every once in a while and in front and behind every station

But really just use two lanes like a road

[fluid spoke]

So far it’s one way only

It connects to a VERY large network, at least, is intended to

Oh yeah had to do something but all I need is something to prevent the trains from colliding when exiting/entering the stations

[lapis swift]

so I've got a new issue, how would one split 210 iron rods made with 14 constructors into two lines that push out different values? specifically one has to push out 90 iron rods per minute and the other has to push out 120 iron rods per minute.
I'm trying to figure out the easiest way to make it work. the 120 line will be used for modular frame production and the 90 line will be used for screws which will then go into reinforced iron plates which will go into the modular frames as well.
I've attached a screenshot to potentially better explain what I'm trying to do.

[agile junco]

If it's not too late, make your network have two tracks, one for each direction. It will work out a lot better.

[fluid spoke]

It’s functionally one massive loop, and one direction only

There’s a second half to the highway going the other way, actually

The only reason the thing is looped rn is testing

[vapid gorge]

Yeah forcing them to do the whole loop rather than a short path really extend your trip times

Hence ‘two lanes’

[fluid spoke]

Mmmm I get you

There’s a lane going the other way, so I guess I can just make it go that way whenever I need it to

Anyways I just don’t know why the path or block signals won’t work on it, that’s my main issue

[lapis swift]

nevermind my question I figured out a way to make it work, it's late gonna blame it on the lack of sleep.

[leaden bough]

I tried load balancing it, but i just cant make it to an exact output, but Im thinking that manifold just makes it easier?

[summer galleon]

how do i calculate the material cost of machines power and etc (not inputs) in satisfactory modler

like if i have 50 power gens how much materials does that cost?

aka a bill of materials

[leaden bough]

i would just make my own calculator in excel

or just use the in game build planner in the build menu

when you add them to the to-do list

[tame pawn]

hvae u firgured it out?

[vapid gorge]

Try a better planner and it shows you the parts in the tabs https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[quaint condor]

Wouldn't say "better". Differerent for sure.

[quaint condor]

Set the gen you want, type the number 50 in. It should set and tell what's required.

Also, the small book in the bottom left hand corner opens the screen on the left you see in the video

Showing full items required to build as well:

[summer galleon]

How do you get that menu on the left??

[fluid spoke]

is there a way to "end" a block so that trains can go through freely without caring for blocks?

[quaint condor]

The small book in the very bottom left corner. (Could be more visible imo)

[summer galleon]

Im retard

And very sick,

I need someone to over lock my immune system

[quaint condor]

Nah, like I said, it could be more visible imo

[summer galleon]

See im retarted

I thought you said couldnt

[quaint condor]

You can also pop the window out by clicking the overlapping squares at the bottom of the list.

[summer galleon]

Is there a guide, becaus3 knowing me I failed to settip and efficient factory on the 2 week of satisfactory

[quaint condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDBiaOFU0_I

[summer galleon]

Peak

I love you

[fluid spoke]

what do people mean by bidirectional rails

[tame pawn]

TADAAAAAAAAAAAAA 800 fuel 120 platic and 120 rubber no waste!!!

and 16.5k MW of POWAAAAAAA

by far my cleanest build i would say

now t to power it thats whats going to make it ugly

soemthing like this?

[quaint condor]

Personally I'd imagine you may have some issues with the straight manifolds. Looks pretty clean though!

[tame pawn]

the manifold it split and ahse extra room so im like 90% sure it should be clean

[quaint condor]

I like to run mine through the foundations ...

[tame pawn]

ooooooooooo

i love u

[quaint condor]

What will most likely happen is either the refinieries at the end of the manifolds and/or the fuel gens at the ends will starve

[tame pawn]

im goign to pwoer up the miner first and let it fill up

befor i teun everything on

[tame pawn]

it looks amazing just finshed

cant even see em

everytihn jsut got pwoered now a game of leag to let the manifold do its work

ocne taht hits 16.5k ill know it all worked

[ancient oriole]

Whats the optimal number of Sulfur to use if I want to use all of the Uranium and use the blender recipe. The one that gives Sulfuric Acid as a byproduct. So I can use the byproduct to fill out the rest till I hit max production.

[tame pawn]

was stuck prodincug 10MW so had to trouble shoot and turned off all the gens 1 by 1 let them all fill up and then turn them all back on 1 by1

[tame pawn]

option 1 for modular engine ):

or option 2 train system

[nova steppe]

How should I do liquid packaging with trains logistically? Like I need the empty canisters to loop using trains. should I have 1 packaging area where I just have dedicated trains for the output and just have a seperate train to bring back the empty canisters? or have smaller packaging areas each near the node im retrieving them from? Im planning a tower megafactory and have all my stations on the ground level. I dont wanna have to pump liquids up into the factory cuz of my immense skill issue with fluids

[tame pawn]

holy fuck i do not like phase 3 at all

im going to bed

[vast gust]

levels jerry levels, makes it less confusing

[wanton wyvern]

Does the head lift injection thing not work anymore?

[mint coral]

Headlift injection? Do you mean pumps?

[wanton wyvern]

no, the exploit thing with the water tower higher and the valve

[mint coral]

As far as I know it does. But I havent used it since update 7

[wanton wyvern]

well I guess I am doing something wrong as it doesnt work for me and I have tried to redo it multiple times

[oblique hollow]

The valve thing is finicky

And you can try setting it to 0.1 instead

[wanton wyvern]

I moved the valve up a bit on the pipe and now it works. I guess it is a glitch so makes sense its weird

[oblique hollow]

I just use pumps i dont have time for a water tower

[mint coral]

Im a pump person myself.

Simple rules i set for myself.

Fill pipes completely before turning the machines on (leave then on bypass)

Fill machine inputs from above.

[wanton wyvern]

Yeah, I would like to use pumps aswell, but my friend wanted to make a tall ass oilrig for the oil processing so gotta pipe them up to it and dont want to spend much power on it

[oblique hollow]

Well you gotta pipe it up anyway

So you need pumps to go up

Water towers dont have magically infinite head lift after all

[wind spade]

yeah you still need to spend the same power to reach the headlift you need

[languid laurel]

What i did was package ship with train then have train unpackaging area move empty canisters go into the same train just a different freight car just make sure to have a few industrial storage containers as buffers

You are gonna need more starting empty containers depending on how long the distance

Once you have enough empty cans in circulation you should have everything working constantly

[chilly holly]

Can someone check my math on this? It feels a bit off but idk

[mint coral]

Greeny made a tool for this called satisfactory tools. I often use it to check my math. I often work things out in spreadsheets then input it into tools to check if I did it right

[chilly holly]

I just did the calculations again and I actually only need 80 uranium per minute, and i checked in satisfactory tools and my math was right this time

[shut kettle]

Is this efficient?

[hushed silo]

u could find cast screw alt for it

[frosty owl]

Depends on how you like to define "efficient" ^^
Eg: ore-efficient, machine-efficient, power-efficient...

[shut kettle]

Efficient as in i can use this farm for the next couple tiers without having to remake or oc things

[frosty owl]

Huh... I think that's more about wether it's "sufficient" than "efficient" xD
I'd say that's enough for personal use... Ie: if other production lines needed more in the future, I'd make more Frames just for that, keeping those 5/min just to keep storages full

[shut kettle]

Yes yes thats the word, mb

Well alright thanks!

[mossy halo]

farm factory

[frosty owl]

Inorganic farm

[summer flare]

I'll say probably, since using "manifolds" is not something I do. I'll load balance for specific main inputs, otherwise for storage items it will be a convenient input like 60, 120 etc.

Within your production lines you'll find it easier to distribute based on the iron ingots required rather than on the iron ingots provided by the smelters.
For example, reinforced iron plate have ingots for plates 45 and rods for screws 15, divide by 15 to get the simplest ratio of 3 to 1, done by something I would call a 4 part split to 3 and 1. Total required is 60.
Modular frames have ingots for the reinforced plates at the same ratio but 27 and 9 with another 12 for rods. Divide by 3 to get the simplest ratios 9, 3 and 4, done by something I would call a 16 part split to 9, 3 and 4. This a couple of 4 part split to 3 and 1 side by side. The first gives 4 and 12 from 16 and the second to give 9 and 3 from the 12. Total required from the smelters is 48 rather than 60.

[fallow loom]

Legendary username

[fallow loom]

Anyone have a better way of placing unholy amounts of refineries than a long line?

[queen umbra]

Just plugged my new power set up in I'm so proud and it's so massive

[fallow loom]

Nice!

[queen umbra]

Should I make turbo fuel ammo because it's so complicated is it Worth it

[fallow loom]

I've always just run normal ammo for longer range, with the explosive rebar for closer up, supposedly the turbo ammo's only benefit is a faster fire rate

[hushed silo]

bigger mag is good

but you probably want homing at some point

[fallow loom]

the explosive rebar does the same damage as 10 ish bullets from the gun

[hushed silo]

rebar gun no aura

[vapid gorge]

This is fine

Also define efficient when you ask, it could mean just about anything

[half frigate]

Can someone lemme know how much rocketfuel I will be able to produce in the future from 3337.5 turbo fuel?

[sand epoch]

Several short lines 🙂

[half frigate]

Holy sh!t 5500 rocket fuel? That's amazing

Thanks heaps bro

[cloud isle]

nws

[half frigate]

I randomly guessed id be able to triple down my fuel gen count and I was 100% right

I can go from 445 to 1334

Amazing

[sand epoch]

Think I'm around 980 ish.. after I killed the basic fuel gens

[cloud isle]

i think my big issue is like

i need 1422 compacted coal

[sand epoch]

For?

[cloud isle]

turbo -> rocket

[sand epoch]

Get the right balance of recipes and it will make itself as a byproduct

[cloud isle]

i need that much total i gotta make 1125.93 (: kinda annoying cuz i dont have mk6 or that much sulfur closeby, only 1050/min

[sand epoch]

I have 4 sets of RF production.. each making RF with refineries and blenders.. CC byproduct fed into itself

[cloud isle]

yeah if im using my bypr. im still short 75 sulfur/min

[sand epoch]

Easy enough to drone in 🙂

[cloud isle]

dont have em unlocked rn now iirc and no good fuel automated yet

[sand epoch]

Fuel you will be making... just ramp up production so however you bring it in, it's needed at the end

[cloud isle]

im gonna use batteries for drones i think

[sand epoch]

If you plan to have a fleet... you will need a massive amount with batteries

[cloud isle]

i might make it in a modular fashion actually cuz i cba with having to change architecture and train routes and stuff afterwards, a lot easier to put it together and do like 1/2 or 3/4 and then put the last bit on once i can pull in the final bits of sulfur

idk only a maybe i hvaent used drones before

idk whats particularly good for them

[sand epoch]

Rf is great for them

[cloud isle]

hmm noted

i was gonna grab like 3 or 4 packagers worth anyway for myself for jetpack but ig i grab some more for drones since ill need em

ty

[reef flax]

hey quick question, is it possible to use the calculator for t1 miners and not t3

[wind spade]

which one?

[reef flax]

Are there multiple?

[wind spade]

there's like 10+ of them

though most people use like one of top 3

maybe top 2, depends how you look at it

[reef flax]

never mind i found satisfactory tools

is that good?

what other ones would you recommend, eitherway

[wind spade]

well, depends on your preferences 🙂 I'm probably the least objective person to ask this, since I made those

[reef flax]

well i just want to be able to pick an output, tell it how many i want per minute, and be told how to do it

[wind spade]

but afaik general concessus is that Tools are the best calculator, there's also modeller on Steam, which is more of a logistical planner and way more manual, then there's SCIM which has great map but pretty poor calculator.

those are the top 3 most mentioned here

yeah, then Tools are most likely best for you

[reef flax]

i’m a ps player so modeller is out

[wind spade]

SCIM's calculator can't even do some productions and does some weird decisions sometimes, so it's better to not rely on it, especially later in the game
and modeller is a lot of manual work (and if you're on console, it's not really accessible to you anyway)

Tools are exactly what you described - you give it info about what you have, what you want, etc., and it'll try to optimise production as much as possible

[reef flax]

yeah awesome thankyou, i was looking at scim, saw 0.094 xMinerT3, and thought oh fuh na

[wind spade]

though keep in mind that it optimises for semi-subjective resource usage (it has weighting system so it preferes more common resources over rarer resources), and you may not always want that. My recommended approach with Tools is to enable all recipes you want to use, pick a target and see what Tools come up with. If you don't like the result, disable recipes or resources or machines you do not want in your plan until you see something that you like.

(or the other way around - if you know exactly what you want to build and which recipes to use and just want the math done, enable only the recipes you want to use, sometimes you may need to disable the other ones to "force" Tools into using the recipe you want)

[reef flax]

oh very interesting

damn thankyou very much @wind spade

wrong ping oops

[wind spade]

poor geegnaz getting pinged

[reef flax]

yeah oops sorry geegnaz

[devout brook]

All good😂

Was a little confused when i saw the message

[vapid gorge]

@autumn inlet so this loop here isn't doing anything, you've already got 2 pipes feeding 800 fluid it seems

main issue if you're having flow problems it'll be on the inputs of the generators and merging the 2 in the first place

if at all possible, and its essentially always possible, don't merge fluid systems unless you have to. Which you never do

[autumn inlet]

that's fair, I think I was just trying to make it symmetry 🤣 and because I wasn't sure if I could get away dividing 3 lanes of gens with 14 outputs

[vapid gorge]

it really depends whats important to you
it's not impossible to do the layout you're doing, but it's much more annoying to do it reliably

instead of hte loop you could try to put a powered pump after each merge split junction

that could help, but no guarantee

[autumn inlet]

meh, neatness be damned, we live for the spaghett
thanks for input 🫡

[vapid gorge]

no stress. If you just want more reliable piping just have pipes go from Point A to Point B groups of machine. No splitting or merging with other lines

also if you keep it to smaller processing segments, like 300 flow, you can do just about anything with your layout and it'll probably work

[autumn inlet]

each unpackaging is 60 fuel.. 13/3 lanes = 4.3 (call it 4) refineries per lane
4*60=240 fuel/min
7 gens per lane, 20 fuel/min = 140 required
seems completely fine just to split it into smaller groups, unless I'm missing something obvious 🤔

[vapid gorge]

remember, you can always clock machines to output exactly what you need for any part of the system. Don't have to think that way

clocking is the most powerful tool you have. Use it.

[autumn inlet]

my intention is that I want to get this running with no faltering and then just double everything with OC 👌

[vapid gorge]

I'd make smaller pipes then 🙂

wdym double with OC? if you OC generators it'll use more fuel

[autumn inlet]

My thought is if I 200% all my machines (or 250% the oil node to be specific), then that'll be a straight 2x output with no changes to the overall system

[vapid gorge]

uhhh only if at no point you're going over your pipe limit.

I highly recommend you either design it for that amount now, or make another duplicate right on top

[autumn inlet]

Ahh... cause then I'd be generating 1600 fuel/min which although the generators can handle at 200%, the pipes wouldn't... I didn't think about this

take me back to coal gens, all I had to worry about was the coal reaching the manifold 🤣

[vapid gorge]

it's unlikely any random system you built could manage to suddenly do 200% the throughput

[autumn inlet]

yeah I agree, I think I'll just simply fix the piping problem and go back to factory game for now, once i need more power I will be brave enough to tackle turbo fuel anyway

though in theory, what about valves...

[wind spade]

never use them

unless you want to spend tons of time debugging them and then finding out that they are not needed and system runs better without them

[autumn inlet]

🤣 damn it, I felt smart for a second

[vapid gorge]

in general you'll always have a simpler more reliable solution of not valves or buffers than to actually use them

[autumn inlet]

yeah I think it's just segment your stuff instead of overcomplicating it

[vapid gorge]

keeping pipes simple will bless your life 🙂

[midnight wyvern]

I tried using valves to solve a problem I was having. Turns out I had too many pipes branching off the main pipe going too downhill so the rest of the pipes couldn't fill properly. The pipes that caused the problem were after the original set were built. I solved it by lifting the branch of pipes causing the issue 20 meters and throwing in a line pump. Sometimes physics actually works in this game lol

[mint coral]

Did you work out all your bugs?

[modest cairn]

My silo farm ,I was told by someone who has a decent amount of hours , should not be working the way it is with the physics in the game because I have the machines feeding the silos then from the silos powering the machines so I can always have a backup of fuel, and when my 36 silos are full my gas shuts down production without interupting the power flow. According to 1.0 game physics for fluids, my farm shouldn’t work, but according to math and practicality it does

[wind spade]

(fyi we don't have farms, we have factories)

and by silo you mean buffer?

[oblique hollow]

A bit hard to tell what should and shouldnt work off of descriptions

[midnight wyvern]

It works cuz that's another way that math works against physics for that sort of thing. Some things in this game don't make sense with how they run, but as far as fluid goes it's behavior is the most lifelike I've ever seen for how it behaves.

[modest cairn]

I know. I call it a farm due to the size of its buffer backups lol

[modest cairn]

I’ll send a pic when I get online

[wind spade]

yeah, well I wouldn't recommend using buffers at all

[modest cairn]

That’s your prerogative 🙂

[wind spade]

that's "how to fluids 101" 🙂

[mint coral]

Personally I find buffers adds unnecessary complexity and often adds unpredictable fluid issues. I tend to only use them to buffer train inputs and outputs

[queen umbra]

Will I need a lot of radio control unit?

Like is 10/min well over enough

[mint coral]

Depends. the more you have of a lower tier part the less time you are waiting for the things requiring them

[queen umbra]

I could somersloop it

[mint coral]

Its a matter of context are you just trtying to see credits roll?> if so you could just make the bare minimum of everything and leave the game running overnight.

If you are making nuclear power then youll need tto do a lot of math to figure out how much you need as you will need to also balance waste

[queen umbra]

I never go afk and idk yet it I only want to finish the game I think I'll build a radio control unit then if im not happy with it I'll just build a new one

I don't get it the pipe going up of full as hell and those pipe connecting it machine are dry

And I got a pump

[mint coral]

is ist being fed from belo0w?

[queen umbra]

Yeah

This is a part of the system

The math is correct

[mint coral]

Generally speaking a few rules keep fuilds working

keep it simple (dont chain tons if you dont have too)

fill machines from above

leave machines on stanby until all pipes and machines are full

here i am filling the line from above

instead of feeding all 18 of my generators with 1 line i segemented my refinires into blocks and fed 1/3 of them per block

uneven fluid distribution can cause sloshing in the pipes

here is another example were i did feed all the machines with one line

gravity is pulling the fluid into the machines for me and the ∩ bend prevents back wash

[queen umbra]

So I could feed my pipe from the above of my tower and going down?

[mint coral]

if you wish. many solutions. Just telling you what works for me

also silly statement.... make sure you donte exceed your pipe flow limits....

300mk1

600mk2

[queen umbra]

Yeah I would like mk3 pipe it would make my life easier

[queen umbra]

Quick question what does the valve do?

[quaint condor]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[hushed silo]

do not wish for a mk3 pipe
dream about 1.2k/m packager

🧙‍♂️

[agile bobcat]

still quite lost on my rocket factory, inputs are working fine - ive looped the system as well

it's a 4 layered building, each layer using this - coming from one 600 a minute pipe of RF

so mathematically it works, but something isn't translated into the game right

ok so the main pipe flow rate is just below 600

[quaint condor]

It probably won't ever peg at 600/min (or only for a sec) due to machine cycle rates.

[agile bobcat]

man I do not understand this at all, I cannot find the flaw in my workings

[quaint condor]

And some of the fuel gens are "starving"?

[agile bobcat]

yep

[quaint condor]

Which ones?

In relation to how it's plumbed that is.

[agile bobcat]

ill have another look but I think its the middle

thats how its set up atm, it comes in from the bottom - but I've split it in half so it loops

It's gas cause its RF so I thought I wouldn't need any pumps but it seems I do?

[quaint condor]

No,

Pumps do nothing for gas.

[agile bobcat]

wonder if that could be doing something to it then?

[quaint condor]

Did you "flood" it before turning all the gens on?

[agile bobcat]

yep

[quaint condor]

If you're on PC, I don't mind popping in to take a look 🤷‍♂️

Looks good btw 😛

[agile bobcat]

yeah go for it

[agile bobcat]

thanks :)

[quaint condor]

Dm info

[agile bobcat]

I can hop in vc as well if that would help

[vapid gorge]

uhhh there's a million problems here

[queen umbra]

I am trying to solve them it's been 1 and a half hour

[vapid gorge]

have 1 pipe feed each floor - not this mix 🙁

[queen umbra]

But one pipe can feed multiple floor

If it's full?

[vapid gorge]

yes but vertical manifolds essentially equal flow death

it looks like you've got the pipe connected to other pipes as well?

[queen umbra]

Idk men it's a mess

[vapid gorge]

like it's going up on both sides as well??

[queen umbra]

I know what I could do one blender make 100fuel/min and one floor need 202.5fuel per min I have 16 blender

[queen umbra]

I thought it would seperate the flow equally

[vapid gorge]

clock the blender/s to make 202.5 fuel and send it down to one pipe

or clock the floor to use like 200 exactly? that might make it simpler

[queen umbra]

I could try thanks you

[vapid gorge]

so just as a thing though, if you've done this here, you very likely have a number of other spots that are going to wreck the overall flow

[queen umbra]

My other machine seems to be working well tho

[vapid gorge]

doing a replan of a pipe system post the build and design is usually a TON of work and will often not actually fix the system unless you relaly know what you're doing

this looks like a power station, I would just accept it running at 90% and do better next time

Send fluids from Point A to Point B, no elevation changes within the manifold

no mixing with other pipes, or branching off

Keep your pipes simple and direct and you'll run into few or no issues 🙂

[queen umbra]

Nevermind they don't work well

[vapid gorge]

yeah look, I'd just accept it not running at 100% Unless you find fixing and redesigning fun?
but you sound a bit burnt out by it

[queen umbra]

It's running like 30%

That's why it pisses me off so much

[vapid gorge]

you're only getting 30% of the power output expected? thats very unusual

usually even bad piping and stuttering you'll still get like 80% or so

if it's that bad... I'd probably just rip everything up and start over.

patch jobs one something so wide spread often ends poorly with pipes unless you know exactly what you're doing

[queen umbra]

Ill just rebuild my blender first then I'll see cause I don't wanna reload an old save

[vapid gorge]

gl :\

[queen umbra]

It's fine this already looks a lot better to me

[queen umbra]

Could I use valve to like limit the flow for 202.5 fuel / min ? So a pipe manifold per stage

[vapid gorge]

no they aren't a reliable option for this

you do not want a connected system of pipes going to multiple floors if you can possibly avoid it

and you can always avoid it

[queen umbra]

I'll try

[vapid gorge]

Use clocking, send dedicated pipes to each floor

[queen umbra]

Yeah I'm almost half way done

[echo vale]

How high is one ingame meter?

[queen umbra]

I think I'm done time will tell if I did it correctly

[vapid gorge]

... 1 meter?

[echo vale]

mk 2 pipes have 20 meters of head lift, and Im having a hard time visualising that

[vapid gorge]

use 4m walls

you have many objects you can build that exactly tell you distance

plus you want neat and tidy pipes anyway so building them up walls and floors is to your benefit

[vapid gorge]

also mk2 pipes do not have headlift of 20ft

pipes themselves do not make headlift

mk1 pumps give 20m headlift
mk2 pumps give 50m headlift

[queen umbra]

Will it take long for the machine to get the right amount of fuel??

[vapid gorge]

depends how long your pipes are. Takes time to fill.

under clock a few machiens to 50% or so until the system floods

[queen umbra]

It's all working properly now thank you

[median hill]

Alright. Can someone better at math than I am double check me? I have forty refineries each producing the alt recipe for heavy oil residue split into two lines of twenty each being fed by a pure oil node overclocked to put out 600 cubic meters of oil per minute. Heavy oil residue is being produced at 40 cubic meters per minute. 40x40 is 1600 cubic meters of residue per minute. I’m running diluted fuel out of blenders with 32 of them requiring 50 residue per minute and 10 water to make 100 fuel. Each fuel generator takes 20 per minute to run so IN THEORY that should come out to 160 generators for about 45,750MW of power to my grid. Right?? Am I crazy?

[vapid gorge]

what's your starting oil?

1200? here https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=JPVrWxkZ5cfvdPU0wGJj

[vapid gorge]

check your math with a math machine

[cloud isle]

160 gens is 40GW

[median hill]

*in addition to what I already had. Sorry, should have clarified that.

But yes you are right.

[cloud isle]

aight

[vapid gorge]

the planner link there just confirms everything.

takes like 2 seconds to make 🙂

[cloud isle]

i personally use satisfactory modeller since its on steam, but thats just a personal thing

[vapid gorge]

tools is jillion times faster with better ui

the only reason why that tool is as popular as it is is because it's on steam which is ... not a great reason.

[quaint condor]

And it has been around longer for sure.

But I would argue that tool's UI is not better. And the organizational capabilities of modeler are MUCH more appealing with outposts and now blueprints. The only thing that Tools has is "auto generation" of production chains based on input/receipes. Lastly, Tools allows for much more detailed creation and adjustments with being able to manipulate clock rates and sloops.

[vapid gorge]

I don't even mean tools. I mean there's a dozen similar and more user friendly planners that do similar things to modeler that exists on line

it's popular for the same reason that if a game doesnt' sell on Steam, the company that makes it dies. Because it's a menopoly and is 'convenient'.

Modeler doesn't bring anything new that hasn't been done on at least 3 or 4 browser based planners

[quaint condor]

It's free....

[vapid gorge]

It's just that it's on steam

and those other tools are also free

[quaint condor]

I have played with them all. None compare

[vapid gorge]

I've also used them, even the bad ones I've never used are far more manageble.

The power of steam monopoly

*never used for actual factories

the only thing that modeler does that tools doesn is basically manipulating bubles to have multiple distinct recipes used in a single tab and that is NOT unique in any way

[atomic folio]

Guys. I think I figured out a solution to liquid and byproducts without the need of a concrete overflow system.

This seems to work flawlessly. Even if the system backs up with items.

[quaint condor]

Er, whole factories contained. With the ability to control inputs and outputs of, and link together. As well as the blueprints and basically only needing to change one number, effectively doubling/tripling/etc outputs. Having all that laid out in front of me, vs having to bounce between tabs and try to remember or write down what is going where... no thanks.

And, probably not unique among other "factory calculators", but I haven't come across any other tool, online or otherwise, that does it as well as modeler does for satisfactory.

Now, that's not saying there isn't a small learning curve, but, imo ofc, it's much more powerful than the others. EXCEPT, of course for the ability to give an input and build a whole production chain. But, also imo, that doesn't help with really "learning" the alts. 🤷‍♂️. Most just go "Idk, I just did it like that because tools told me too"

Lastly, this is no way meant to bad mouth sftools. Anytime someone asks for a planner, I always suggest both.

[atomic folio]

Reason how I came up with it. is if you switch to thinking of "headlift" as "strength" then you can work with liquid a bit better.

If something has a higher strength (a.k.a headlift) it'll push into the pipe and beat anything that doesnt have a similar or same headlift. Allowing the stronger liquid to not back up.

[atomic folio]

also- to jump in this topic. I wish that modeler would allow me to set an input count on containers- currently it doent.

[quaint condor]

But, to just write Modeler off as not being a very good tool for the game is a bit shortsighted imo. (Not an insult, just a statement)

[atomic folio]

otherwise I think modeler is better, if you can get past the more bland look, which as someone with ADHD makes it kinda harder to look it. but I think it has alot more control than SFTools and SFCalc, since you can control a different count of machines using a set recipe, and another count using another.

[quaint condor]

Personally I only use containers as an overflow if needed. In which I use a priority splitter, green output goes to where the item is required, and the non highlighted output to the container or sink

So, like if 10 of an item was needed down the chain, and I wanted another 5 for storage, I just make sure the supply is giving 15 and split

[atomic folio]

fair. maybe im too tistic to do that. I just wanna plug the output, into an output container XD i dont want it to start grabbing all the input it can to fill that container

[quaint condor]

Something like this?

[atomic folio]

wizard-

[quaint condor]

Or, better yet, with the machine's rounded with underclocking:

[atomic folio]

this is one think I did. I dont remember what it was since its been weeks. but I remember this being omega wrong-

[quaint condor]

Also, fyi, you can rearrange the outputs and inputs if you weren't aware. Click and drag them on the machine block. (Looking at sulfur and pet coke)

[atomic folio]

ooo- amazing-

[quaint condor]

Also, you have your machines set to "Parts per minute". Personally I find turning off that setting and using machine count is "easier to manage". Also allows for an "at a glance" 'Oh, I need x amount of machines for this'. Only things I set to parts per minute are miners, oil extractors and resource wells.

Lastly, if you haven't already, I would go under settings > style, and make sure the two options at the bottom are turned on

It helps with diagnosing any "issues" or short falls.

My machine defaults:

[main shuttle]

has anyone attempted a "mine nothing" approach to the game, where you only accumulate stuff using the nodules you mine manually?

[autumn inlet]

No but I think its a me issue, because looking at the screenshot I took earlier i think I have 12.3 refineries not 13.3 🤣 so that's a me problem when I finish work

[oblique hollow]

Valves dont cut off head lift though

The reading on the pump doesnt update but the headlift DOES get passed on

[languid laurel]

I did the same thing with constructors I finished 1 row and thought I did a good job but I was missing 7 more constructors 😭 found out 2 weeks later 🙃

[frosty owl]

I'd go as far as defining it plain rude. It's one thing to have preferences, it's another to become so "fanatic" over them that we feel like we can just talk down to anyone thinking otherwise...
Ie: "I prefer this over that because of X, Y and Z factory-related reasons" Vs "that is bad because [insert personal opinion unrelated to factory]"
One is a discussion over what feature of a tool is important for what kind of user, the other is just a barely disguised opener to get to talk about [unrelated topic] while also putting down the tool for good measure (eg: Steam bad).

It would sure be interesting to see some actual comparisons being made back and forth like you attempted to do, but if the goal is just to convince others of one's own (and "right") opinion, it usually ends as a one-sided conversation 🤷‍♂️ (ie: comparing obvious differences VS making obviously false comparisons)

[wind spade]

@hollow rover wdym by "work"? What are you trying to achieve?

(also valves are generally not recommended to use)

[oblique hollow]

That is absolutely terrible and should never be built

Single valve is still ok

But multiple in series ? Absolutely not. Broken as hell

[hollow rover]

Was at my ends wit cause my 4x5 refinery setup was having problems. All are identical but 3rd row was not achieving 100% efficiency

[wind spade]

valves practically never help with any of that

[hollow rover]

So I thought just need to force direction

[wind spade]

you can't really do that with pipes

any pipe segment can (and will) have backflow

can do pipe loops though, which are generally recommended to solve throughput issues on close-to-full pipes

[hollow rover]

Or how about multiple pumps next to each other?

[wind spade]

pumps don't do anything to flow either

they only give headlift for going up

[oblique hollow]

The solution to this isnt to try and force directionality (which doesnt work anyway - at some point you have a bidirectional pipe segment somewhere anyway)

Give us some more info

[hollow rover]

Not on my computer right now, but had help with this few hours ago. Eventually I just used a mod, turn liquids into gas. It was either that or a complete redesign of a large build

Flow is now constant

[oblique hollow]

Care to DM me the save file if you get back? I like to test files for these issues

[atomic folio]

Os it the fluid buffer then? Cause if i dont have that valve. It breaks

[oblique hollow]

Buffers only output pump headlift once full

[wind spade]

then you have some other issue most likely

[oblique hollow]

otherwise it kinda gets "absorbed"

[atomic folio]

Even if the buffer fills up. The system will work fine again

[wind spade]

then the buffer is pointless 😉

[atomic folio]

Well i tried with just the valve. Or just an unpowered pump.

Every time the byproduct gets filled.

[wind spade]

if you're doing aluminum, best is to never merge byproduct and fresh water

[atomic folio]

Yeah... youve sais that...

[wind spade]

simple, doesn't need any magic, cannot backup

[atomic folio]

I get it. Im not playing a sandbox game like you do.

I found something that works.
Even if the pipes are empty. Or the pipes are full. If items need to move the system will work fine 24/7

[oblique hollow]

ive heard a few times of this "head lift trick"

I just dont often talk about it because its really just a skill check that many others cant pass.

I dont like it myself because i dont like mixing fluids.

[atomic folio]

I figured if you thinl of headlift as strength. The strongest fluid will go into the pipe first. The weakest will take a back seat.

Which is pretty realistic. Higher preassure liquid takes priority when injecting into a system

[oblique hollow]

only works up to a certain extent, in this case with buffers

if you try that in a normal pipe with different pumps or heights then it doesnt work because, once full, all pipes share the same "strength"

doesnt make much sense but thats just how it is in SF. Full pipes all share the same max headlift

[atomic folio]

Then theres a 3rd trait we arnt aware of in the code. Or theres a thing with. Natural headlift and powered headlift. (Natural being headlift from a watersource)

[oblique hollow]

both are the same

its just different heights

Mk 1 Pumps apply 20 m, Mk 2 apply 50 m.
Machines do 10 m

All 3 are exactly the same kind of "pressure"

[atomic folio]

Then how does that system i made work-

[oblique hollow]

all pumps are powered?

[atomic folio]

Thats what it says on the signs

[oblique hollow]

you said it works even if the buffer is completely full, right?

[atomic folio]

Yup.

Only the items will backup. The byproduct never backs up.

From start to finish

[oblique hollow]

might be related to the buffer adding delay.
i never tried this so i actually dont have a complete answer

but from others tests i remember that if you merge 2 different pipelines, one that is short and another with more segments or such, then the multi-segment pipeline has less priority due to delay

[atomic folio]

Wierd. Cause after the fluid buffer. I have 3 duplicate systems connected.

So its

Valve - buffer - input - byproduct - input - byproduct - input - byproduct - end of pipe

So if i built it next to the water extractors the system will brick?

Atleast- in theory?

[oblique hollow]

without a pump you mean?

or by just having a short pipe?

[atomic folio]

Exact same setup. Just having the input pipe be shorter

[oblique hollow]

i mean that the buffer might also count as "extra pipe length" for the input pipe

the fluid has to go through the buffer after all before it gets to the machines

as soon as the buffer drains a bit, it no longer passes on head lift from the pump

[atomic folio]

Thats basically how i was thinking.

Guess i just slightly understood it. Thinking it was the pipes.

Since i know for the water tower, the WT pipe needs to be full and have a cut off loquid connection for it to pass the headlift down

[oblique hollow]

but if you remove the valve and keep the buffer, does it still work?

[atomic folio]

From the brief testing i did. No the byproduct backed up. But lemme get out of bed and try it again

[oblique hollow]

hm wait i just remembered something, valves deprioritize pipes due to some effect... hold on

yeah theres some cases where pumps can overpower a valve because they have enough to basically "force it shut"

[atomic folio]

so the strength theory is kinda correct-

[oblique hollow]

but that should only work.... if the pressure on the valve input is less

so given that, in theory, if the pump on the valve side is above the buffer, it should also break this

[oblique hollow]

pressure is strenght. It can be converted to a column of water x m tall that "weighs down" on things

head lift is just a measurement of that "height" of fluid

a fluid column 10 m tall is heavier than one only 2 m tall.

[atomic folio]

this is how it's setup-

[oblique hollow]

the machine is making no water because its full of scrap

[atomic folio]

I know. this is it backuped. if I empty the storages. it kicks on just fine

and by storages. I just mean items, not fluids

If you want, I can give you my session ID and you can run some tests?

ok. it seems to be working fine without a valve. I havnt changed the pumps at all

the pumps at the bottom of the system arn't above headlift either

[oblique hollow]

guess its time to wait then. how the buffer reacts

[atomic folio]

I dont think this is normal-

the system is stil running fine. ive not had any issues yet, no backing up

the fluid buffer. In car speak, does keep bouncing off the rev limiter, but again, no issues so far

however, the same system, just next to it, with a valve. the fluid buffer is only half full

but still working fine

[shut kettle]

trying to minimise iron use on pure iron product, shifting basic things to one node, is this adequate for personal use?

[wind spade]

you practically don't need screws for personal use

[shut kettle]

im past tier 3

would i need screw for any automation?

[wind spade]

I thought you said personal use, not automation

[shut kettle]

well this factory is personal use would i need it for any milestone automation? im not gonna pump it into a factory

[wind spade]

personal use is "building stuff" and "making equipment"

the first one doesn't need screws (apart from awesome shop) and the second one needs very limited amount of screws, and usually only once

[shut kettle]

so should i not produce screws?

also please ping

[wind spade]

if you really want screws just to be sure and to have them in depots, I wouldn't make more than one machine worth, and even that is already way more than needed

(also I wouldn't just limit myself to "make from one node", but rather I'd pick a goal and then find nodes for it)

[shut kettle]

the thing is, i dont need any of these 3 things ever (very rarely) but they are taking up 2 very prime nodes near my base which i want to use for steel production, so im kinda limiting this for steel

[wind spade]

iron rods are needed for tons of things and plates as well

[wind spade]

or you can find other place for steel 🤷 map is huge 🙂

anything works really

[shut kettle]

i have seperate factories for those stuff like RIP

[wind spade]

that's fine, but still rods and plates are both needed for tons of buildables

[shut kettle]

that's why im making thhis

[wind spade]

then why did you say that you don't need any of these things? 🙂

[shut kettle]

never faced a shortage, thhe existing factories are almost always idle

big heap of yellow lights

[wind spade]

then why make new factory for it?

[shut kettle]

cuz i need to free up the node (at least that's what i think will be optimal)

[wind spade]

no, optimal would be finding new place for new factories so that you won't waste time dismantling them

[mint coral]

There is A LOT of space and nodes. Generally its better to leave things as is and build new.

[shut kettle]

understandable

[low grove]

you can always just change the node miner to mk2 or mk3 later on or overclock the miner at any point (if you have overclocking unlocked)

[tidal haven]

just put a dimensional depot with an overflow splitter on high output screw input, very slightly overproduce screws and you are good. same for other parts not used regularly in personal crafting.

[fallow loom]

Finally blueprinted a diluted fuel setup from start to finish (the heavy oil part is not placed here)

fully repeatable pattern so long as i have oil and power

[blissful epoch]

so im trying satisfactory modeler, the steam thing. could anyone give me some pointers on how to actually make it calculate instead of getting stuck?

also, how can i decide on my inputs, and maximise my outputs with them?

[dusky dust]

If you want an actual solver, btw, something like satisfactorytools.com will serve you much better

That'll only give you a "logical" high-level overview though. It doesn't deal in individual machines or implementation details

[wind spade]

@static yoke yo, are you the one who asked a question about wiki data/parser two days ago? (https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Template_talk:DocsRecipes.json)

[blissful epoch]

so basically, i collected all the things from the desert and the swamp, processed them, and i want to make the most phase 5 parts of that (except for pasta)

[quaint condor]

So, lot going on here. The first things I question are the containers at left end. Secondly have you set any output number on any of the end items?

[blissful epoch]

the bins should represent the stuff i already created.

[quaint condor]

Take off the sink's for now as well.

It will calc possible sink points without those.

[blissful epoch]

i struggle finding where to input my fixed numbers

[frosty owl]

The planner can get "stuck" (ie: question marks appear on nodes/connections) when your directives aren't clear enough for it to calculate something.
Eg: if you provide it with one Miner's worth of items, nodes processing that will automatically base their numbers on that, but if you add an input from a container the tool won't be able to know how much that container is providing unless you put a limit on the node(s) processing that input

BTW, did you read the small "guide" the tool has, yet?

[quaint condor]

Remove the sinks, and click on an item (ballistic warp drives) and input the number you want to make.

[frosty owl]

Double-click the text field at the bottom of any node (below the number of machines currently used in the node), or the input/output fields of any node

[quaint condor]

Or, if you want to work from the other end, i,e "How much can I make with" just make a miner with iron or for example, and type in the total amount avaliable (two pure nodes would be 2400 with mk3 and overclocked for example)

[blissful epoch]

in my case that would be 24000 iron ingots

[quaint condor]

Unfortunately I am still at work for a little bit, but am up for helping later (probably around 1700EST) if you'd like. Otherwise, as @dusky dust suggested, Satisfactory Tools can calc it for you as well.

Also @blissful epoch This is a decent "primer" for Modeler : #math-and-meta message

[blissful epoch]

that could be useful! ill give that a watch

[frosty owl]

Is there like a... <5 minutes version, or is that the best we have so far? 😅

[quaint condor]

Lol, I am honestly not sure. That's one of the better ones I just always link. I could try to do one, but I wouldn't really know where to begin. And, knowing me, would probably end up being longer than 5 minutes 😏

[molten arrow]

How much turbofuel does a fuel gen take per min?

[dusky dust]

If you open the generator control panel, there's a little orange gas can icon next to the built-in fuel buffer. Clicking that will show you the consumption rates for all fuels it supports

[river venture]

Offhand I want to say 7.5/min

[exotic cloud]

When designing modular blueprints, do you aim to match exact input, or do you overshoot? EX: A t4 belt can feed 10.7 foundries. Do you scale down to 11 foundries, or overbuild for simplicity, symmetry, and the ability to upgrade more easily to higher tier belts?

[half frigate]

i build from the initial material in the recipe, calculate it's output alongside the output of the final item i need and fill in the math as i go.

[half frigate]

for turbofuel yup

[river venture]

If only I could remember info like that in my day to day life lmao

[half frigate]

would be nice aye lol

[gritty spoke]

Chat is it better in anyway to lift at the same speed as the output? For example: smelter does 60ingots PM so should I lift it upto the next floor with the mk1 since its 60pm? Just wondering if there's any benefit in doing that

[half frigate]

Matching throughput is one of the most important things in the game

If you're outputting only 60pm then a mk1 belt is fine

[gritty spoke]

Appreciate you

[half frigate]

All goods my man

[gaunt tartan]

So I need a fuel gen too use 4.54/m what clock speed do I set it too for rocket fuel?

[half frigate]

If i did this right, set the clock speed to 108.95%

You'll produce 272.37Mw per fuel generator

[gaunt tartan]

We will find out soon

[gaunt tartan]

#screenshots message that was for the very last gen for this guy doing the piping now

[half frigate]

Okay thats cool 🤣

[gaunt tartan]

Going from the bottom too the top def takes a sec I think we need an elevator tbh

[half frigate]

There is an elevator in the game

Awesome shop

[gaunt tartan]

Ik that's what I meant

[half frigate]

How many freight cars will i need for 6 thousand copper ore per minute?

[wanton hawk]

This will vary a lot based on distance. You could do it with 5 or you could do it with 8.. 1 train, 4 trains etc

[half frigate]

Whole loops probably gonna be like 20km

[wanton hawk]

I try not to go over 80% of total belt load speeds. And then add trains if I need more throughput

Counting both belts that is. You can set up your first train and put sinks on the receiving train station. Let it run for a few cycles and check throughput

[half frigate]

I might do 1 train 5 cars

See if thats enough, if not, ill do 6 cars

[wanton hawk]

Doubling the trains is also an option. And if all wagons are equal you can tell the train to wait until it's filled with multiple trains

[half frigate]

Not an option for me lol

I dont do multiple trains on 1 track

[boreal quail]

what phase is that

[fluid spoke]

ok so im a bit stupid but im trying to figure out how many 250% nitrogen packagers i need to package the full output of one 250% nitrogen (pure) node

its 1800m3/min

and each packager can pull 600/min

so i assume i only need 3 of them?

[gleaming glacier]

So when I try to make the final connection the calculator gives me 0... idk why

[oblique hollow]

because it cant make enough rubber due to the heavy oil not being used if you dont make 286.25/min automated wiring

set the other machines to what they should make first - solve that issue first

somewhere along the line you will find a bottleneck that will need to be solved first

[rain pendant]

I don't know how to use the calculator, like add stuff to? Also is there a way to just put in theoretical infinite power so I can get the layout first and then finish with the power grid afterwards?

[quaint condor]

Which calculator?

[rain pendant]

This one
https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production#google_vignette

I just unlocked Miner mk2 with my brother and I'm trying to math out the appropriate number of machines to link up for a positive input to output

So far I've mathed that I need 8 smelters for a mk2 miner on a pure outcrop of iron for a total of 8 ingots per second

No wait, math's off. It should come out to 240 per minute so

[deft lichen]

This game uses per minute rates, not per second

[rain pendant]

Yeah, I also forget that per minute rates can be divisible against other per minutes

[deft lichen]

I recommend using https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production instead of SCIM

It works with groups of machines and optimizes the setup

[quaint condor]

Ahh. that one is "ok", yet you may have more more luck with https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production or https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/

Steam

Satisfactory Modeler

Model your Satisfactory builds. Set up your machines however you like, adding optional limits to the number of any of those machines and the tool will calculate how the parts will flow and how many of each machine type are getting used.

This does advanced calculations that no other Satisfactory planning tool can do, including figuring out how s…

[deft lichen]

Note that Modeler is a manual planner

[rain pendant]

Thanks you guys

[quaint condor]

That it is. Though, imo a bit better for actually "learning" what the recipes are doing. But yes, a bit more "involved" than the other two.

[deft lichen]

Can't say, I've been using Tools for as long as I can remember 😄

[slate jackal]

Is it possible for a system to use byproduct fluid first and only then supplement the rest with other sources?

[royal ibex]

not sure if this is the place to ask, but does anyone have a 12 to 15 balancer blueprint? i cannot figure it out on my own, i couldnt find one on satisfactory calculator either

[dusky dust]

Yes -- if you want to combine "fresh" and "recycled" liquids into the same pipe system, the most reliable way to do it is with a VIP Junction, as described here: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

Though my own recommendation is to keep the fresh + recycled liquids totally separate. Don't merge them at all. You can feed them to separate banks of machines; you'll often need to play with underclocking/overclocking to get the numbers right, but IMO it's much more straightforward to just not mix them in the first place

Since I assume you're asking about it in relation to aluminum, one example on a very small vanilla-recipe setup (two Alumina Solution refineries taking in fresh water, and one running entirely off of recycled), and another on a bigger Sloppy+Electrode setup. As I say, you'll almost certainly need to mess around with underclocking/overclocking to get the numbers to work out, but that way you avoid dealing with various classes of fluid problems.

[slate jackal]

Oh yep, that's exactly what I was looking for

[slate jackal]

Wait.. but what happens with the water byproduct from the other alumina solution refineries, since it wouldn't make sense to make another loop

[dusky dust]

Sec, I'll make some annotated versions of those; have been meaning to do it for awhile

[slate jackal]

Or I could just make wet concrete..

[dusky dust]

But in general it's just that you under/overclock such that the numbers are exact

[slate jackal]

This seems simpler and for the big factory later on I'll probably have more options/alts 🤔

[oblique hollow]

all the water from scrap refineries gets handles by a set amount of solution refineries

so theres "freshwater" alumina and "byproduct water" alumina.
All the alumina goes back to the scrap refineries

[slate jackal]

Ah, I think I get it now

[gleaming glacier]

So I found the issue, I'm trying to fix it but the modeler refuses to accept my hard caps 🤷‍♂️

I don't need 127.8 automated wiring, idk why its giving it to me

Making the automated speed wiring just throws the modeler off entirely

[frail hare]

Hey peeps, starting my experiance with crude oil.....trying to pump it, im on a pure node and im trying to pump it pretty far and up and down grades, could someone explain the pumps you put in line with the pipes?

[oblique hollow]

all the machines that are red are the ones that, according to the calc, MUST make more.
Otherwise, if this factory was built as-is, it wouldnt work because you either run full of some materials in some machines or are missing materials in others

[oblique hollow]

you put the first pumps down low enough so fluid reaches them and then you need another pump further up

mk 1 pumps do 20 m so after going up 20 m you need another pump at that exact height

mk 2 pumps do 50 m

[frail hare]

i think i've figured out the Rhythm, it wasn't working at first

[oblique hollow]

make sure none of the pumps exceed their limit and that the first pump is low enough so that fluid reaches it

machines can only do 10 m, which is less than you'd think

[rain lichen]

time for my next project :) (nitro rocket fuel)

i need nearly a thousand fuel gens, 68 blenders, 85 refineries, 68 MORE blenders and a BUNCH of awesome sinks for all the byproducts

thank god the production chain is mind-numbingly simple cause im gonna need so much space

[queen umbra]

Good luck

[bitter urchin]

Have you checked if you have all the power shards for the generators?

[royal ibex]

took only 3 hours... but it should be a perfect 12-15 balancer, brute forced some math just to make sure. Cant wait to forget how this works when i wake up tomorrow

[main shuttle]

how randomized are the drops from pods?

[vapid gorge]

they aren't

afaik

[queen umbra]

Why😭

[vapid gorge]

you could check the wiki if you like

[main shuttle]

huh. i thought that they were a bit randomized within tiers

interesting. fixed item drops. good to know 🙂

[hushed silo]

what are u using this for btw

[summer flare]

Setting limits won't fix a mismatch. The reason why so much automated wiring is being produced is because you're asking for all the heavy oil residue produced to be used making cable, which also affects the amounts produced downstream.
You'll need to set up something to use the excess not needed for making the cables.

[gleaming glacier]

Thank you

[gleaming glacier]

I was able to fix it by adding sinks. Too bad I can't make the 5/min that I wanted to create, idk where I'm capped 🤷‍♂️

I'm assuming its quickwire due to the nodes for copper and caterium itself being normal and I don't have MK3 miners yet

[vapid gorge]

what are your restrictions?

[gleaming glacier]

wym restrictions?

[vapid gorge]

well I put in the raw resources you had in your image into tools and it can make 5 https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=5gBiYsaMrminm6bjfhXQ

ah you had other end outputs

damn thing is so annoying to read

[gleaming glacier]

Your calc has steel ingots

[vapid gorge]

you need 60.95 assembly direct assemblies sunk?

[gleaming glacier]

the area where I'm building this factory has no coal nodes nearby

[gleaming glacier]

Yes or else the system with be clogged

[vapid gorge]

right. Probably find yourself some coal for an easier life? it's kinda everywhere

oh you're slooping a bunch of crap as well.

gl with it

[gleaming glacier]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=brcQ35hnTQxg9Le3BGMO Its possible to make 5 with the limited amount I inputted idk why the modeler is struggling to calculate it

[vapid gorge]

well this doesn't have any duping in it so you can't make nearly as many assembly directives

like it's very easy to make the 5 sure, and I think like 12 assembly directives w/o the duping

sorrr, auomtaed wiring

wait no significantly more wirings