math-and-meta

[stray tapir]

I would argue https://satisfactoryplanner.net is better than tools in many scenarios

[wind spade]

Are you using nordvpn?

[forest cave]

nope, just doesnt work

[wind spade]

How so? What does it say?

[forest cave]

wait a minut3e

[wind spade]

Because... Tools aren't planner

Tools are calculator

[unique cypress]

Bro stop advertising your shit. It's not even that good

[forest cave]

yeah i figured it out

[wind spade]

And vibecoded 🤢

[wind spade]

What happened?

[stray tapir]

Hey, it's all out there. It's in plain english. Why would vibecoding be bad?

[forest cave]

gues I had to restart my browser and turn off some things in the back

[unique cypress]

In general, I have no issue with using AI to code, as long as I understand exactly what the code is doing

But yeah, if you're just pulling entire functions/classes from AI without even looking at them, it's 🤮

[wind spade]

Because AI companies keep using private sources for datasets

[forest cave]

feels like im withnessing generational beef

[stray tapir]

We might well get used to that. It's the current state of the industry

[wind spade]

I don't want to get used to copyright law and licensing being ignored being standard

Tools are proudly 0% AI 🙂

[stray tapir]

I will make a note to add the datasources used clearly on the website disclosures. It would have been difficult without those. However, it's all public sources. Also, as you might notice there is no monetization so it's just there for whoever needs it to use. No strings attached

[scenic rose]

So assuming I put in the extra work for Turbofuel how much more efficient is it in terms of power generation than regular fuel?

[unique cypress]

Up to 2.22 times more oil efficient. But 100% less sulfur and coal efficient

Not worth the effort if you have the oil imo
Especially considering you can get 20 GW from 600 oil with just regular fuel

[stray tapir]

Lol. I just realized you're the dev of tools 😂 . I was wondering why you're so vocal. Anyway, I am not trying to say it's not good. Ppl use what they want anyways

[scenic rose]

So it isn’t worth it for power but is worth making for say the Jetpack?

[unique cypress]

Just use liquid biofuel until rocket or ionized

[scenic rose]

Alright.

So I need 600 Oil per minute for a 20 GW Power plant?

[unique cypress]

With regular fuel and the right recipes, yes

[scenic rose]

So is there alt recipes for fuel?

[unique cypress]

Of course there are. For maximum efficiency, you want Heavy Oil Residue and either version of Diluted Fuel

[scenic rose]

So making fuel out of Heavy Oil Residue is more efficient?

[unique cypress]

Heavy Oil Residue + Diluted (Packaged) Fuel gives you 4x more fuel than the default fuel recipe. And 3x more than Heavy Oil Residue + Residual Fuel

[scenic rose]

So I would pump the Heavy Oil Residue and package the Diluted Fuel to send it into what machine a Refinery?

[unique cypress]

You do this: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=YWStKO8dKL50eGCYe6Pw if you have blenders and this: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=eItAZTr309KqtFvwoKhI if you don't

[scenic rose]

Okay so way beyond my current scope of Phase 6 that I’m in currently.

[unborn wigeon]

Guys i'm a bit stucked, i just build 10 refineries, all set to plastic from one node (and later gonna do the same for rubber) but out of these 10 refineries, how many should i allocate to build packed fuel ?

and how many just to do the empty canisters

[unique cypress]

you can absolutely do the second in tier 6

the first requires tier 7

[scenic rose]

But I don’t have the alt recipes needed? How do I directly make Heavy Oil Residue? Unless I just make either Plastic/Rubber.

But making Plastic/Rubber wouldn’t make the byproduct of Polymer Resin only Heavy Oil Residue.

Guess I gotta go hard drive hunting!

[gilded linden]

kinda neat - max uranium rods* / min plutonium to use up the waste / sufficient ficsonium to use up the waste needs 252 + 126 + 63 plants, in total 441 (21 ^2)

252 = 21 * 12
126 = 21 * 6
63 = 21 * 3

*with only the uranium nodes

[unique cypress]

with max plutonium instead, it's 21 * 28

[real tartan]

What is the extraction total of crude oil in the game per minute?

[gilded linden]

12600

[real tartan]

Thanks

[next heron]

That's not the strong argument your chatbot tells you it is

[gray flume]

How much oil can i get out of 4 normal nodes,two impure nodes and 1 pure node altogether?

[unique cypress]

bro just add it all up

just keep in mind that you're capped to 300 if you don't have mk2 pipes

[gray flume]

How am i supposed to do that if i dont know the rates?

[unique cypress]

build an extractor on one node and you'll know

or check the wiki

[gray flume]

And what if i havent unlocked the extractors yet?

Oh

[unique cypress]

pure is always double normal and impure half of normal

[rocky hollow]

I call it the mega uranium recycler

[wind spade]

oh, I'm not vocal because of that

I just personally hate vibe coding (since my job is being a developer and I know how "good" these vibe-coded things are, and what the AIs learned on, etc. And also the comparison between logistical planner and a calculator is indeed "one isn't the other" 😛

[stray tapir]

I've been a dev for 25 years. Things change, we adapt. Hating AI now is like people back in the day saying Java will "kill" proper developers because it's too high level. Not sure what you mean about the planner vs calculator. Satisfactoryplanner does both. Maybe yours has more features, have no idea, I haven't used it as a reference at all. Anyway, thanks for your contribution to Satisfactory, love the game and the ecosystem.

[wind spade]

I do not hate AI

My problem lies with AI companies and their practices. And a bit in vibe coding

[vast coral]

am I trying to make to much, or to little?

[unique cypress]

for personal use? way too much. for making more advanced parts as well? impossible to say

[vast coral]

personal use.

[unique cypress]

even insane as I am, I only make ~15 of all of these for personal use

probably a third of that would be enough

[vast coral]

so I should stick to roughly 10 per?

[wind spade]

I mean depends on how much you build

and how fast

[vast coral]

Very slowly.

[wind spade]

the slower you build, the less you need

[vast coral]

I will do 10 per.

[unique cypress]

make a multiple of 1 machines makes for each. easier factory management

[vast coral]

Huh?

[unique cypress]

for example 1 turbo electric motor manufacturer makes 2.8125/min. 10/min would be 3.555 manufacturers. but 11.25 would be 4. which is more convenient than 3.555

[vast coral]

OH!

Ya, I am gonna try and do it that way. I hate weird production rates, even if it means making more machines

[unique cypress]

this is why I said I'm making ~15, not 15. becasuse this is what I'm making

[vast coral]

oh that is really smart

[hushed silo]

idk every machine u place down is unpowered and there is no way to make it work as normal

[stray tapir]

You need to either mark their outputs as sunk (click on the output rss) or link it to a container, otherwise the machine can't output, much like in the game

[hushed silo]

mhmmmm

good to know

ill try ut out

[stray tapir]

Any suggestions are welcome

[crimson moat]

i do 256+128+64 for overprovisioning (they can burn a bit more than they produce, and process more waste than they produce)

and also just nice powers of 2

for placement

[gilded linden]

cant fit more than one nuclear plant in a blueprint can you? I dont quite understand what you mean that powers of two are nicer for placement, in this instance

[crimson moat]

I'd rather have e.g. 2x32 rows of reactors than 63 in a row, or one row with 31 and the other with 32.

especially if they're not manifolded and have to be split to

[gilded linden]

ah, ok, for avoiding manifolds makes sense

[crimson moat]

Just having odd or unmatching numbers of reactors would annoy me more 😄

[gilded linden]

heh, an uneven number doesnt bother me, the fact that my production resulted in 3, 6 and 12 rows of 21 feels great in itself - not only is it a rectangular block of reactors, the successive parts are all twice as large as the previous one and use all the inputs exactly.

[astral pumice]

I have 4 overclocked Refineries pumping out 5 m3 Turbofuel at 46.875 per minute.

How many Fuel Powered Generators can they supply?

I have 16 that have been working great for days, but I guess I need to add more, because the Refineries that make Fuel and Resin keep idling.

Also, how many overclocked Fuel Powered Generators can they supply?

[gilded linden]

click on the generator, where it shows the fuel is a little jerrycan icon, click it to see the consumption rates

[wind spade]

open the fuel gen and check how much TF it needs

[astral pumice]

Thanks, I genuinely didn't even notice that.

I'm on console, and the writing is ridiculously small, even on 32" TV about 10ft away, so that info wouldn't go noticed.

Not sure why greeny has got an attitude.

[sand epoch]

He doesn't

[wind spade]

Not sure why greeny has got an attitude.
? how is giving you the info where to find your numbers "attitude"?

[astral pumice]

Damn... I'm used to seeing TF as The Fk and not Turbo Fuel 😂

By bad dude

[dusky dust]

Now I've got a new nickname for Turbofuel!

[astral pumice]

I came here to ask for straight numbers because I felt lazy 😂

Instead I got a lesson 🤘

[wind spade]

I generally try to not give spoonfed answers and instead teach the person how to get their answers 🙂

[astral pumice]

That's usually my attitude towards others too, and usually I'll take that in that info but it's late and I need sleep 😂

[dusky dust]

Everyone has their "dear lazyweb" moments. :)

[ebon crater]

is this acceptable for an endgame factory? I am sorta unsure on my outputs. I want to make 15-25 ficsonium fuel rods, so the pressure conversion cube number seems right(25 fuel rods would fully consume the 10 cubes).

honestly sorta unsure bc this is the most I can produce with my existing factories and I have absolutley no intensions to make more than 25 and 22.5 computers & hmf per min

[dusky dust]

"acceptable" is in the eye of the beholder. :)

[ebon crater]

i mean yeah

[dusky dust]

Though if you were planning on making all that literally inside one single factory, I'd personally think that sounds like a nightmare. :)

[ebon crater]

I do have inputs

the HMF and computer factories were nightmares 😭 🙏

i remember when I first started this world i said id do it quicker than my pre1.0 save

[dusky dust]

I'm pretty sure my playthroughs have taken progressively longer with each new one I go through. :D

[vapid gorge]

what is end game? make your own projects

1000 heavy mod frames pm would be 'acceptable'

[ebon crater]

classic satifsactory community 🙄

[vapid gorge]

what are your goals?
if those are your goals this is fine.

we have no idea what recipes you're using or in what quantities, no one can tell you if it's 'good' except you unless you're EXTREMELY specific about your questions and goals

[wind spade]

are you annoyed that you were given reasonable advice instead of random number you should make?

[ebon crater]

annoyed that instead of being given advice im pinged to be given the same message i was given 4 hours ago, which also happens to be an unhelpful message

[wind spade]

would "make 42/min of X" be more helpful?

[ebon crater]

Ok

i was talking about the ratios

[wind spade]

if you just want a random number to make, roll a dice, or use random.org or whatever

yeah but the ratios are (as said above) dependent on your goals, preferences, build style, etc.

there's no generic "you need twice as much X than Y", because you can use alt recipes to change practically any requirement into a different one

and as for "final products" (for storage and personal use), the amount depends on how much you build given buildables (e.g. some people decorate a lot, some don't like to build refineries, some build slow, some fast, etc.)

[vapid gorge]

again we have no idea what ratios are good for you we don't know which recipes you're going to use and in how much

so how are we to know what is good for you?

[ebon crater]

exactly as i said, classic :p

coulda just said that to begin with

I also gave a little info about what i was going to do, and once again, im not looking for advice on "you should make 5.8 instead of 6 per min. I think it was sorta obvious what i was looking for, but people here like to get stuck on the details. had this same problem a day or two ago too

[pastel obsidian]

I normally just use one of the good calculators to a number where most of the machines are whole numbers aiming for 10 - 20 ish,

If I need more you can clock it up.

[vapid gorge]

we did say it at the start

"make your own project"

[thorny onyx]

What's the downside to cast screws?

[dusky dust]

From a pure resource-efficiency/flexibility standpoint, it prevents you from making use of Iron Rod alts

Honestly most folks are unlikely to care, of course, though it's technically a tradeoff. :)

[brave quarry]

what recipe is the best for producing radio control units?

[pastel obsidian]

There is a YouTuber that goes thru all the alt recipes

[pastel obsidian]

Not really, you remove making rods you make more per minute, you save on electricity and machines.

You also get access to steel screws later on

The biggest downside is 50 doesn't go nicely into the 60 I need for reinforced iron plates.

[vapid gorge]

depends on the resources you want to use and where you want the factory, how you like to move thigns and your personal taste

for example I believe system saves on bauxite

[brave quarry]

i just finished a supercomputer factory in the desert and id like it in the same place

so aluminum is going to suck but i could import it from the swamp is what i was thinking

[vapid gorge]

well you can't get away with not using bauxite for it

but you don't need to put it near your super computers

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

make a plan, and swap out the different alt recipes, it'll show you teh changes in base resources

[brave quarry]

yes, but i would just prefer to because it would look cool

[vapid gorge]

well then use the planner and sort out what fits best for you 🙂

[unique cypress]

The downside is that you're still making screws

[agile bobcat]

Thoughts on turbo fuel vs turbo blend fuel?

[wind spade]

As with anything, choice is yours 🙂

[unique cypress]

Default turbo to burn directly for power (if you want that for whatever reason) + using up the byproduct CC from default RF

Turbo blend for making default RF and turbo diamonds

Turbo Heavy for turbo ammo and maybe packaged turbo for jetpack, vehicles, drones

[vapid gorge]

you use less coal but more oil - so you only have to source the sulfur

[agile bobcat]

Planning on making a rocket fuel plant of 200 generators

[unique cypress]

Why such an inconvenient number

Do like 240 or 180 or something

Anything divisible by 6, really

[agile bobcat]

No idea tbh

[unique cypress]

By 12 if you want to overclock them to 250%

[agile bobcat]

Ok cool

[vapid gorge]

inconvenient numbers are hallucinations by people who don't understand that clocking making any 'inconvenience' imaginary.

plan a power output
decide on the recipes
clock machines as you like into the numbers you like. Having them all the same clock of a whole number is only 'convenient' to the mad

the number of machines creating your layout and design is infinitely more concrete a concept than 'inconvenient' numbers

[agile bobcat]

I figured out why I said 200

this was my OG rocketfuel plan

I was thinking of replacing the middle section with turboblend fuel

[unique cypress]

If you're limited by oil, that's gonna give you less

Nitro rocket fuel might even give you more than you already have

At the cost of sulfur, coal and nitrogen most likely

Yeah, NRF gives 3600 RF from 900 oil

Plus 1200 coal, 2400 sulfur and 1800 nitrogen

[agile bobcat]

Nah I’m not limited by anything, more trying to be conservative for later on

Planning on going all the way in regards to part creation

Tho I prob won’t lol

[unique cypress]

I suggest you use http://satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production, choose either resource limits or target production and play around with the recipes until you find something you like

It's faster to try things out in there than in Modeler

[agile bobcat]

aight

[pastel obsidian]

Copy paste it change the recipe and see if you like it any more or less 🙂

[full mesa]

is this alternative recipe worth it to get? (already have cast screws as well)

[wind spade]

"worth" depends on you only

[oblique hollow]

most compact way of making screws

if you need screws, why not go for it.
Cast screw doesnt do anything better than default screw other than "one constructor less"
Steel screw removes even more constructors by that logic, just need steel

[wind spade]

all recipes are useful in one way or another, and you can get all of them anyway. So if you like the recipe, go for it 😉

[pastel obsidian]

It is a really good recipe if you need screws, Heavy Modular frames require a lot of them, it also saves you a fair bit of space. The downside is making Heavy Modular frames you want to use the alt that doesnt need screws.

[hexed storm]

I'm powering through nuclear power plants for a uranium-plutonium-ficsonium chain with an input of 1980 uranium/min + 10 APAs with 5 APM/min each for a +300% boost

[unique cypress]

I don't think there's a leaderboard for that lol

I have given the plans for a max power build (15.3 TW w/ full waste recycling, 19.1 TW w/o) to 2 people, but I sincerely doubt they built that

I'm aiming for 10 TW myself, but modded

[unique cypress]

Also, some of that must be coming from something other than nuclear, you're storing waste, you cheated in some sloops or used some mods. Because ~3.55 TW is the max from nuclear using full waste processing and with all 10 augmenters matrixed

[hexed storm]

Oh yeah I meant unmodded

[hexed storm]

Only thing I modded through was adding nodes cause the ones available weren't enough, all the rest is vanilla

[unique cypress]

Bruh that is not unmodded

[hexed storm]

Well I made an exception for that because I was already midway through when I noticed. But I meant it's not using some mod to produce energy directly, just placeable nodes (not uranium though)

[hexed storm]

Also how can waste recycling generate less energy? Shouldn't it produce more if you have more fuel?

[unique cypress]

Because Ficsonium is trash, as you might've noticed

Neither of these use it at all, actually

The one with waste recycling just sinks Plutonium

[hexed storm]

Well compared to the rest yeah, but it still produces more than it consumes

[unique cypress]

The other one burns it

[wind spade]

because it's a choice between wasteless power and more power

[unique cypress]

It produces less power than if you used those resources on something else. Much less

[hexed storm]

I built it with ficsonium and it produces more than it would have had without it though

[hexed storm]

Not with the +300% from the APAs

[wind spade]

the point is that the resources could make more if you didn't use ficsonium

[unique cypress]

It would've produced even more if you used that SAM on uranium conversion for more uranium rods

[hexed storm]

The sam wasn't enough anyway, the availability is too scarce with modding more nodes of it

[hexed storm]

I didn't consider converting more resources into uranium. I just wanted to burn all uranium on the map for energy

[unique cypress]

And bauxite to uranium conversion is still a better use of it than Ficsonium if you just want power

[hexed storm]

I see, I didn't think of that besides the amount of resources needed which would have exceeded availability. But anyway I wanted it to fully recycle everything without having to deal with waste

[wind spade]

yeah then ficsonium is the way to go

[unique cypress]

If you only care about not storing waste, then sinking Plutonium is the best choice

Ficsonium is only for people who think sinking the Plutonium makes it invalid for some reason

Or for people who don't care about the cost

[wind spade]

or for people that want to "fully recycle everything"

[hexed storm]

That would have been a waste though, I didn't want to sink a possible resource

[unique cypress]

So you're wasting even more by making Plutonium

I don't get you people tbh

[wind spade]

almost like people having different opinions and preferences is a thing

[hexed storm]

I guess it's the reason they added ficsonium in the first place

[wind spade]

indeed

[unique cypress]

You don't want to waste resources by putting them in the sink so you use even more resources to avoid doing that

[hexed storm]

Well, since they weren't enough for the process anyway, with buildable nodes you have potentially infinite resources so that isn't a problem anymore

[dusky dust]

100% same, tbh

[unique cypress]

That makes any and all resource efficiency arguments completely pointless

[dusky dust]

If you want to use Plutonium, but want "clean" nuclear, then Ficsonium's your option

Gah, I said I wasn't gonna bother arguing with you anymore about it, so I'll shut up

[hexed storm]

Also as greeny said I imagine it's just a preference. For example I only used load balancers cause I despise other forms of feeding machines

[wind spade]

indeed, but given they want sinkless option, they go with ficsonium

[hexed storm]

Not really, you can make it efficient for the love of efficiency and not because of forced constraints, which to me is the point of the game anyway

[dusky dust]

I just "love" the leap from "I don't want to do this" or "this isn't useful for my situation" to "it's completely worthless"

[hexed storm]

What are you referring to?

[wind spade]

to KYO, probably

[hexed storm]

Kyo?

Knock yourself out?

[hexed storm]

If I got it right, I didn't say it's worthless to do, if you care about the highest production and nothing else it makes sense, simply I have other things I care about too at the same time so I have to compromise

And by any means it would be too late for me to change path after hundreds of hours of work 😭

[hushed silo]

does anybody remember what x and y in x/y = 4.16667 was?

[unique cypress]

25/6

[wind spade]

no, KYO as the person above

[hexed storm]

Oh lmao 😭 I didn't notice the name

[dusky dust]

Yeah, wasn't responding about you, sorry! :)

[hexed storm]

Dw, I got what you meant once I understood who you were talking to

[restive timber]

I need to chop someone at CSS for making pure iron ingots take in 7 ore and output 13 ingots

Whyy 2 prime numbers

[wind spade]

why does it matter?

[restive timber]

Imagine you're trying to build a factory that should have x input wagons and y output wagons. you can only scale it to to have a multiple of 7 inputs and 13 outputs

[unique cypress]

They could be transcendental numbers for all I care

[wind spade]

or you could clock it to match the needs you have

[restive timber]

idk my needs

[unique cypress]

You don't need to work in multiples of full belts???

[restive timber]

except for some sort of symmetry

[wind spade]

well your needs are x input wagons and y output wagons

[restive timber]

That flat orange line will forever be a dream

[wind spade]

with trains for sure

[unique cypress]

Yeah I was gonna say that 🤣

You can't have flat with trains

Neither orange nor gray

[restive timber]

sabotaged by the devs too

[unique cypress]

That was my grid last save

What 4 max OC max Sloops encoders do to a grid

[hushed silo]

ah yes, and the maxxed rocket fuel blender makes 250/m
tsal coming together

[gilded linden]

mmm, temporally efficient - the river has unlimited water, but if you drink it all it still runs dry

[floral mica]

Holy clipping 🤮

I'm sure you've gotten better

[unique cypress]

nope :)

[hushed silo]

chat is there any recipe that uses less sulfur for TF than Turbo Blend?

😔

[unique cypress]

why do you keep asking different questions about turbofuel lol

what are you trying to do

[hushed silo]

triple checking

and some power

[tulip kraken]

Hey, If there is anyone here hwo is a absolute Pro at Fluids, Please Help me. I made ma first ever Turbofuel Powerplant and i just can not figure out why my last few Generators in line allways run out of Turbofuel. I just can not figure out what i did wrong. I even set up Fluid Buffers and everything.

[wind spade]

step 1: remove the buffers

step 2: loop the pipe

step 3 (optional): prefill

[tulip kraken]

What are the Fluid Buffers actualy used for? I dont realy know

[wind spade]

nothing really, apart from buffering fluid train platforms

[hushed silo]

it may be that some part of the system is not operating at peak efficiency

definately let the every part of teh system prefil

and try to fix sloshing inside

typicaly ppl place line of refs next to each other with single output

and guess what the currents may go agaisnt each other

make to outputs, use pump to force them out and put together again

[tulip kraken]

I Balanced Everything so that i Produse 600 m² Turbofule so i can send it all through one MK2 Pipe. Everything up to the Generators works perfektly fine 600 M² Turbofuel equals 80 Generators. and at the last4 0r 6 Generators, The Turbofuel is just nonexistend.

[hushed silo]

ah yes

everything from one pipe

try splitting it up too

[sand epoch]

Looping it an prefilling would solve that...

[dusky dust]

lol, okay, I see what you've done there re: my first pass at randomized recipe selection, solver. Not quite what I'm after, but amusing...

Okay, there we go, recipe randomization's in there properly now. Time will tell how thoroughly I commit to that. :D

[nova vortex]

how do i make a circle of foundations around this?

[near grove]

you can look for a tutorial on youtube to make a circle, you will have to rotate foundation the best advice i can give you after you watch the tuto is to put the center of your circle in the center of the node

[nova vortex]

oh ok

[vapid gorge]

@jagged carbon Blue is fresh, red is waste

[glass girder]

I've been trying to setup signals thru here forever and i'm still so confused as to how to get them working. to the right of the lower horizontal track there's a station with the exit as the higher horizontal track

[wind spade]

what's the problem here?

[pastel obsidian]

1. draw a circle around the intersection

2. if a train is entering the circle its a path signal

3. if a train is exiting the station its a Block signal

4, you will get errors until the signal the rest of the rail network.

[wind spade]

or just use block signals everywhere

[glass girder]

so if the track from the station is joining back onto the track, is that a block signal still?

[pastel obsidian]

rule 2

[wind spade]

if you're learning, just use block signals everywhere and ignore path signals

[glass girder]

would i put the path signal for the entrance after the turn or before it

[wind spade]

they don't really give that much advantage, so it's completely fine running just on block signals until you learn them

[pastel obsidian]

before the turn

path signal before and block signal after

[glass girder]

about like this?

[pastel obsidian]

nice you also need to do the other rail

[glass girder]

sweet, thanks!

[pastel obsidian]

have fun

[vast coral]

Why is it I am getting a different throughput number everytime the train depots?
I have 2 trains running the exact same route. I clear the cargo spots entirely before a train comes back.

[vapid gorge]

because trains deliver in bursts and throughput readings won't tell you anything?

[vast coral]

The throughputs are on the signs.

Each sign is a throughput reading I got on that specific cargo depot

[vapid gorge]

what are those numbers based off?

[vapid gorge]

I don't see how you've gotten 1800 ppm on one platform. I think you're doing something very wrong

[vast coral]

._. idk either. That is the issue.

[vapid gorge]

how much are you delivering to the first car at the loading station? per min

[vapid gorge]

because that could be your main issue here

[vast coral]

I will get all the numbers and send it here.

nevermind. I don't care to fix this train anymore. I am gonna delete it and just move on using a belt highway.

[vapid gorge]

eh, it probably could have been fixed with a lot less work, and let you use the rail for other things , but you do you

[frosty owl]

Out of curiosity: were they the only trains on the rails?
Were there any chances for their round trips to be different through time? (Eg: needing to wait for any traffic)

[silent mortar]

how does one split ores like this?

[frosty owl]

Usually either with a manifold or a balancer or by clocking machines

[silent mortar]

what balancer would i need?

[frosty owl]

Whatever can output 90/min or 225/min on one side (90 is definetly easier)

[silent mortar]

well that doesnt really help

[frosty owl]

Feel free to ask details on whatever you don't understand

[unique cypress]

2:2 if you only have mk3 belts or none of you have mk4

[silent mortar]

i have mk4 belts

[unique cypress]

Then just a single splitter will do the job

[silent mortar]

so a 2:1?

[unique cypress]

It'd be a 1:2 in this case

[silent mortar]

ok ty

[frosty owl]

That'd be the "manifold" mentioned earlier ^^

[wind spade]

Can also clock miners or just manifold

[vapid gorge]

1 Splitter would do it

[floral mica]

Split out 2 mk1 belts, split one in half and merge one half into the other mk1 and one half into the main belt

[vapid gorge]

or just use 1 splitter and let it self balance...

[floral mica]

But that's not truly balanced

Unacceptable, startup times should be non-existent

[wind spade]

If prefilled, they are non-existent

[floral mica]

I'm counting pre-fillng time as startup times then

I just like balancing too much I guess, logistics look cool

[wind spade]

But prefilling time can be nonexistent as well when using blueprints

[oblique verge]

Hello! Just started playing yesterday and I am addicted! Can you fine folks point me in the direction of some resources I can use to help me learn how to build efficient factories?

[pastel obsidian]

there are a few tools you can play around with

Just collect hard drives and build is my recommendations.

There are youtubers that look at different recopies, Heavy Encased Frame is hands down the best way to make Heavy Modular Frame

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/ has a learning curve but helps you see all the different ways you can make an item.

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/ have any issues just ask **greeny **how to use it

Steam

Satisfactory Modeler

Model your Satisfactory builds. Set up your machines however you like, adding optional limits to the number of any of those machines and the tool will calculate how the parts will flow and how many of each machine type are getting used.

This does advanced calculations that no other Satisfactory planning tool can do, including figuring out how s…

[oblique verge]

Thanks! I will take a look!

[floral mica]

Well I guess I might start manifolding

Although making load balancers is fun and can look cool if you do it right

[unborn dome]

Not only do I have a drone route that's only 315 meters, but I had to double-drone it too, because the takeoff and landing sequences won't let me hit the 480/min required even at that short distance 😭

But it'd be really awkward to use something else due to the height differences...

[unique cypress]

considering the theoretical cap is ~5 stacks/min at 0 distance, I'm not surprised you can't get 480/min with 1 drone if the stack size is 100

I would just use belts/lifts though

[unborn dome]

Yeah, it's raw sulfur, so stack size is 100. A single drone was managing 381/min according to the drone port.

Although I'm using batteries as fuel. I wonder if I could hit 480/min over that distance with a better fuel, if 5 stacks/min is the theoretical max?

[sturdy sage]

My issue is that cars are cool and all but I prefer trains for the resource load however, I would need a lot of trains to transport every resource and I would prefer not running mixed trains My other issue is conveyor belts are compact and typically the best of transportation for items so why would I even choose to not use those

[unborn dome]

Yeah this is too far for belts+lifts imo, but again with the height difference, can't use a train either. 🙁

Otherwise I 100% will use a train every time

[dusky dust]

That's a very subjective "best"

For one thing: when you build a single belt, that's all you've ever built. If you need more capacity, you either need to manually upgrade the entire belt, or build yet more belts

[sturdy sage]

I mean that it always has a stable throughput and can be run Basically anywhere in the world and belt highways are usually best for how I build.

[dusky dust]

With trains, instead, you build one section of rail to support one route, but then over the course of the whole game, that bit of rail can end up supporting a staggering amount of throughput

[unique cypress]

unlikely. despite the math saying that it should be 5 stacks, I've never seen drones get even close to that. best I've seen was like 4.5 and sometimes even lower than 4

I still haven't bothered to check whether my calculator gets more accurate at longer distances, it's based entirely on the data from the wiki. according to it, you should be getting 470/min wth stack size 100, batteries and 400 m distance

as far as I can tell, the math is correct, so either the wiki is wrong, or drones don't behave nearly as cleanly as I'd want

[dusky dust]

Vehicles, Trains, and Drones also have 100% stable throughput. They do have a learning curve associated to them, to get that 100% stable throughput, but they are all entirely reliable

I'm not trying to convince you not to use belts if that's what you want to do, only that belts are only "best" under very specific circumstances

[unborn dome]

Hmm interesting, not sure where the discrepency is

[dusky dust]

As with so much in this game, a lot comes down to player choice

[unborn dome]

Maybe the drone port wasn't reporting right. I didn't check further than that.

[unique cypress]

oh, yeah, there's that too. they tend to not be perfectly accurate. but I don't think I've ever seen it be more than 10-20% off

[dusky dust]

(And likewise, vehicles, trains, and drones are only "best" under specific circumstances. Mostly just: all the available options have upsides and downsides, and there is no global "best." What works well for you in your current circumstance might not be what works well for someone else, or yourself in a different circumstance)

[sturdy sage]

Yes, and… Train stations are still limited to the amount of items that can be put out if they are driven right yes they have 100% throughput My main thing is bringing all the resources from resource nodes to a main compiler from the compiler, my factor is just modular and very close by so conveyors can take care of that. My biggest issue with the other vehicles is that I have to build roads and my curve skills are not the best. I know I can just make them go over a regular terrain. my build styles unique and doesn’t like that. Drones are somewhat slow and can only carry a small amount of items. Trains seem like the best alternative because they can have so much resources, but are still limited to the output of the stations. Absolute last issue is with the way. The factory is set up to use conveyor so even using the different vehicles which I really want to do because something about well-rounded yada yada yada

Yes, this is a wall of text

[dusky dust]

Train stations are still limited to the amount of items that can be put out

That's true of belts as well. :)

biggest issue with the other vehicles is that I have to build roads

Remember that building roads is a choice. I've literally never built roads for my vehicles; they just use the map's natural roads. For trains I tend to do the "disconnected pillar" method, so I can curve those around while still making them look pretty nice

And again, I'm not even trying to argue that belts might not be the best for you, with your specific setup and your specific style of building

I'm only responding to the assertation that belts are somehow "best," because that's just not true

[sturdy sage]

Yeah, np just seeing what works best and what people are thinking about

I know best is subjective, depending on play styles

[stoic gorge]

what do you guys usually do when you need like 17 raw ores per min?

[unique cypress]

I try to remove it from the production

[brisk smelt]

slurp

[stoic gorge]

you mean like, with alt recipes?

[dusky dust]

Underclock to 17/min. :D

[stoic gorge]

fair

[unique cypress]

unless you're making very little of something, you can almost always get rid of those small requirements with alts

but if you need <60 of several resources, then it might be unavoidable

then I'd just make more XD

[wind spade]

Or by changing goal

[stoic gorge]

im making 1.25 crystal oscylators just so I can have a automated storage, I was thinking in using iron wire alt but I dont have it, so ig I ll have to underclock to 17/min at the end of the day

[unique cypress]

why 1.25

[hushed silo]

was about to type "dont care" but with a build that small just roll with it or get iron wire

[unique cypress]

I'd 100% do this if I just wanted some oscillators and nothing else

[stoic gorge]

I have this production of quartz crystal and silica and each quartz crystal constructor produces 22.5, i was planning in taking only one of these constructors to make crystal oscilator

[dusky dust]

I had some comically small amounts mined for my Turbo Rifle Ammo factory. :D

5/min Copper, gasp. 0.2778/min Sulfur!

[unique cypress]

I'd just use conversion atp
I did, in fact, when I made my ammo factory

[stoic gorge]

yeah I already saw this production line too when making normal rifle ammo lol

[dusky dust]

Heh, was also doing Packaged Rocket Fuel in there. A whole 2/min Iron for that! :D

[dusky dust]

I think I'd actually just leached from other miners in the area which hadn't been fully tapped, so it wasn't actually awful. :D Didn't slap down a whole new miner just for 0.2778/min. (Edit: I suppose I also wouldn't have had Converters available when I was building that factory)

[stoic gorge]

sure, but I dont wanna use almost all my quartz which since they changed nodes location has been the most difficult ore to me

nodes inside caves are actually so sad

[unique cypress]

just clip a lift through the ceiling

[stoic gorge]

you just changed my life

[open pier]

is this a website that you made that flow chart on?

[unique cypress]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[worn delta]

Hey how did you run the HOR from a few refiners by the oil?

[open pier]

thank you

spent a good part of yesterday trying to understand fluid mechanics. today i try and learn how a railway network works

[dusky dust]

Yeah, I did have a bank of refineries making HOR and then piping it over. I could have kept the 1:1 relation there too, but for that build I didn't

[vagrant lynx]

So i have very little knowledge about the math of this, but how extreme is this? Like is it super difficult to able to automate the phase 2 materials straight to the elevator like this? Or would I be better off just building simple production lines for each in their own respective areas?

[wind spade]

imo it's completely fine like this

[dusky dust]

Having multiple outputs in the same "factory" is still reasonably manageable at this stage of the game, but IMO it starts to get unweildy pretty quickly. I always like keeping the individual-output production lines totally separate, even if they're being produced in the same "building," or even supplied by the same resource nodes

Helps your graphs stay nice and neat (regardless of what solver/planner/whatever you're using), too

[vagrant lynx]

So like having them all lead somewhere a bit different instead of into the same space? Im still learning the game and have just made blade runners and about to attempt my coal generator farm and steel production line

[dusky dust]

All up to you in the end, of course!

But yeah, if it were me and I wanted to produce those three things on the same site, I'd probably either have the three production lines either right next to each other, or maybe one on each "floor" of a building

[worn delta]

So maybe use that as a base and see if I can add refinery into that space ? Will mk2 bp hold all that ?

[dusky dust]

Yeah, I'd think the 5x5 could hold another refinery pretty comfortably

As usual, lots of ways to approach problems in the game. :)

[vagrant lynx]

Oh that makes sense. Each on a separate floor, using lifts to go up and down for assemblers that have common materials i assume, also saves space and could allow for extra storage and a bit more space for mergers, splitters and lifts. Right?

[worn delta]

I don't know why I didn't do the packagers like you did seems way more efficient

[dusky dust]

Personally the only "common materials" I'd distribute between floors (or just between isolated factory lines, if they're just next to each other) is the raw ores right at the start

I like keeping the lines totally separate. Yes, that means that maybe I'm making Rotors in like three different spots in the same building

But keep in mind that it's almost certainly (nearly) the same amount of machines anyway. Just instead of making all your rotors in one spot, you're just making 'em right where they're needed

(rotors just picked as an arbitrary example)

And of course that's just how I'd do it. Doesn't make it better than other solutions instead. I just like having individual product lines be isolated; less chance for unintentional spaghetti; less routing materials all over the place, etc

[stoic gorge]

which nobelisk should I automate?

[dusky dust]

yes

[vagrant lynx]

I see now. Each floor, as an example, would be dedicated to making a part, like smart plates, and another floor could be dedicated to making motors, and just having rotors be made on those floors instead of a whole floor for rotors going to both of them. I actually like that idea. Have a raw floor(like iron ore to smelters) and have those go up and then go to dedicated floors that'd need them and then each floor is an automation and has less spaghetti chance

[dusky dust]

Yeah, more or less. :) One way to approach the production, anyway!

And you get to benefit from "cleaner" graphs, especially as products get more and more complex

Though, as I say, that's just one way to approach it. 🥳

[vagrant lynx]

True. In my head it was each floor is dedicated to making the basic stuff like wire, cable, iron plates, rod, screws and thenhaving those branch off with splitters to go into separate buildings for the advanced stuff. Idk im sure ill figure it out in some way shape or form

[worn delta]

@dusky dust I found a YouTube video where a guy laid all of it out in a mk2 bp so I'm copying that both refineries and packagers , with all belts and pipe ran. Basically just connect it to oil and water.

Ill post a Pic of it when done.

[thorny onyx]

If the fluid starts of really high, would I have to worry about headlift anywhere on the pipeline? (like this)

[vapid gorge]

fluid will reach the highest point it was at previously yes

machines and pumps will reset the headlift however

[thorny onyx]

sweet

[vapid gorge]

and buffers have variable headlift. Just don't use them

[crimson moat]

pipes are worse in that regard, they have zero headlift if they're not full.

A 50% full buffer has headlift equal to 50% of the buffer building height.

i think the buffer gremlins are due to differences in the overfill percentage, which is some arcane stat not shown in regular gameplay

[vapid gorge]

pipes do not provide or reduce headlift thus do not have variable headlift

things that affect headlift

pumps
machines
buffers
initial height of fluid

and it's been demonstrated headlift from buffers just depends on how full it is. Stop giving false info

[crimson moat]

It's not false info, it's fact. Pipes that are not full do not transmit any headlift whatsoever. If they're <100% full, zero transmission. If >100%, full transmission.

Buffers give headlift more readily. When they're not full, they create headlift up to their own height (e.g. 50% fill percentage = 50% buffer building height of headlift). When they are full, they transmit prior headlift like pipes.

You can prove this by having a pipe drop 100m, go through a buffer, then go back up. If it's only a pipe, water cannot go up until every previous pipe is full. If it's a partially full buffer then it can, and after the buffer fills it will also make it all of the way up the +100m afterwards since it transmits the prior headlift when full via the same mechanism that a pipe does.

It's entirely added functionality which is beneficial to the player and which brings the simulation closer to reality for hydrostatic flow.

[vapid gorge]

pipes will fill and push forward regardless

if going up liquids prefer going down so they'll fill before going up. That is not at all the same thing and your points are as baseless as when you repeatedly claim 'manifolds aren't 100% efficient!'

Now go back to ignoring reality and me pls.

[crimson moat]

I've never made such a claim, yet you've claimed that i have in some weird strawman argument at least 3 or 4 times already. I don't know where all of this baseless hate and harassment is coming from, but it's clear that it's a problem with you and not with me since it involves so many other people.

<@&387163995947270144>

[vapid gorge]

buffers will actually change the possible headlift out of the output, while pipes just will push up to the headlift provided as fluids move.

[thorny onyx]

Whar

[vapid gorge]

don't worry about it - if fluids start at a certain height they can reach it again as long as they aren't interfered with

[stoic gorge]

which nobelisk should I automate?

[vapid gorge]

which ever you like using 🙂

I think only the gas ones can't be fully automated?

nothing stops you from automated all the rest

[smoky flint]

cluster is good to automate due to mass clearing and also.. big boom

[stoic gorge]

ok, just in case if there was a consense of a best one

[stoic gorge]

thanks

[vapid gorge]

nah they all do slightly different things

for example I'd never automate or make the cluster ones since I don't like clearing huge areas

I leave as much as the landscape together as possible. Looks weird clear cut

[wispy summit]

Hi, would it be okay if someone can verify my math? If it's fine then I can use my note for other things that also uses feedback loops.

I calculated water recycling in aluminium feedback loops and so far it is going smoothly. No problems, yet.

[unique cypress]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production can probably do that

[wispy summit]

There are tools for this game...

[wispy summit]

It seems my math is correct, thank you.

[vagrant lynx]

If i have 2 normal coal nodes clocked to 200% and only have mk2 belts. Should I not be using the second node since the belts can only transport 120/min?

[unique cypress]

Belts only limit how much you can pull out from a single node

After that, you can just use multiple belts, if one is not enough

So if one node produces 120, and you have mk2 belts, then you can get that 120. If it produces more than 120, you can only get 120 regardless (because a belt can't pull out more).

But if you have 2 nodes, each producing 120, then just use 2 belts and you have 240 total. On 2 belts

[vagrant lynx]

Ok, so ive got 2 coal nodes making 120 with a mk2 belts to each, so im actually pulling 240 coal/min then

And that means I could power up to 16 coal generators? With juat these 2 nodes?

[unique cypress]

each gen consumes 15, and 240/15 is 16, so yes

[latent patrol]

Anyone knows the best refineries ratio overclock to fill an mk6 belt with pure iron ingots?

[vagrant lynx]

So 6 water extractor since im still on mk1 pipes right? 3Water/8CoalGen? With each 3 water extractor dedicated to the each group of 8 coal gens?

[unique cypress]

yeah, that'd be ideal. 2 completely separate 3:8 setups. alternatively a 6:16 build with a long pipe, with 2 extractors connected to one end, 2 more in the middle, and 2 more at the other end. that works too

[unique cypress]

ceil(1200/65) refineries at 100% and it works fine

also, I never aim to "fill" a belt

[latent patrol]

Uhh what about over clock?

[unique cypress]

ceil(1200/65/2.5)

[latent patrol]

Uh what?

[unique cypress]

that equals 8

so a minimum 8 refineries at 250%

but that's 1300 iron so you can downclock some a bit

but the exact number ends up 3000/13 % (230.769230769231%) so I'd leave them at 250%. or 231 or something

because trying to be exact won't work

[vagrant lynx]

Something like that?

For the 6:16 gen setup?

[unique cypress]

probably works, but I meant the 2 extractors to be connected to one pipe first, and then that pipe connected to the very middle of the main pipe (excuse my shitty, unsymmetrical paint drawing)

[latent patrol]

Weee weee weee

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

it's always better to design fluid systems in smaller discreet sections.
it'll make your life easier in the long run.
coal generators are sturdy bastards so it probably doesn't matter here, but it's a good habit to have

[vagrant lynx]

I thought my discord was bugging, turns out dark mode + dark pictures are hard to see LMAO

[vagrant lynx]

Yea thats fair. Ill probably just do 2 plants of the 4:8 ratio(underclocking the water to 75% to save on a little power)

[unique cypress]

paint decided to make th BG transparent even though it was white

(I totally didn't just take a screenshot of paint to get this image instead of figuring out how to make the BG actually white)

[vapid gorge]

if you want, 3 extractors work perfectly though. And... the power you save from underclocking things is basically nothing

[vagrant lynx]

Yea but its very aesthetically pleasing to have the 4:8 ratio but the area im in is a bit cramped on space so ill just stick to 3:8

Something like this(with foundations covering everything up to the big lake with the extractors)

[unique cypress]

You can't put 3 extractors on one pipe

They make 360, pipe handles 300 max

Unless you have a mk2 pipe

[vagrant lynx]

I there a problem with overexceeding?

Its what I did here for the initial setup to try it out

[unique cypress]

Of course? If a pipe has a capacity of 300/min max and you try to put 360 through, you'll only get 300 out. Which will starve the gens, because 8 of them need 360 total

Which is why the build I showed put 2 extractors on one pipe and then connected them as far apart as possible - to not overload the pipes

[dusky dust]

Of course with only six coalgens (as in that screenshot), it'd be fine since those gens will only consume 270/min anyway

The usual ratio that gets recommended is 8 coal gens to 3 extractors, which does require some more creative piping, as mentioned

[unique cypress]

Except on the drawing, there's 8 lines
Which I'm assuming are gens

[vagrant lynx]

What about instead of 16 gens I go for a 2:5 ratio and do 15 gens

Excuse my crude drawing

[unique cypress]

Why not 3:8? Like it's literally perfectly ratioed. 360 consumption and 360 production

[vagrant lynx]

I dont have mk2 pipes yet. So Idk how to avoid the 3 extractors on one pipe

[unique cypress]

Use 2 pipes

Or 3 pipes in like the 16 gen design I showed

No pipe segment can exceed 300/min. There are no limits on the entire pipe network

Just just need to put in 300 or less and consume it before you put in more

[vagrant lynx]

AH OK. Could something like this work for 3:8? It'd have 2 pipes feeding into one segment with 1 pipes feeding into the whole a little down the line and then I could build right next to them

[unique cypress]

!wikisearch cg

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[unique cypress]

Here are designs for 3:8

My 6:16 is basically the middle one except a second copy is glued next to it

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[vagrant lynx]

I see my initial design flaw. I was attempting to run 3 extractors into 8 coalgens directly, whereas I should be having 3 WE on one pipe feeding into 2 sets of 4 coal gens off 2 separate lines

1 200% normal coal node can power 8 gens right?

[unique cypress]

If it makes 120/min, yes

[vagrant lynx]

Now I just need a way to make the belts and pipes look pretty without clipping

[stoic gorge]

doing this kind of manifold affects anything or works just fine?

i mean by making the start of the manifold in the middle and not on one of the corners

[dusky dust]

Yeah, so long as you're supplying enough material to feed all the machines (and your belt speeds can support that rate), it'll be fine no matter where you feed the manifold

[stoic gorge]

ok thank you

like this works fine too right?

one part with one splitter per machine and another part in the same manifold doing one splitter per two machine

[potent pawn]

do i need another buffer if i add anothfreight platform

[unique cypress]

you generally should have a buffer on every platform

[potent pawn]

ok thanks

[dense mulch]

How do pipes work in Satisfactory when splitting flow?

If I need to deliver 300 m³/min to two different branches can I have mk 2 pieps leading up to it then mk 1 diverges or do I need mk2 everywhere for exmaple would this work

[wanton hawk]

ya this works

[wind spade]

well, it may work, but pipes are bidirectional, so you shouldn't think of this as a "split"

it's a junction, fluid can go from anywhere to anywhere

[oblique hollow]

it will act as a split as long as the input pipe has a bigger fluid level than the "outputs"

fluid can go anywhere, but it does tend to move from fuller pipes to less full pipes

and for splits, yes, its preferable to use the lower mk if their speed is enough to handle it

same for the reverse

if you merge 2 or 3 mk 1pipes, use a mk 2 pipe on the output if the combined flow exceeds mk 1

[true walrus]

guys, iam new but question, i have mk3 belt thats 270 per minute, i have 8 constructors each making 30 wire per minute, thats should be 240 per minute, belt shouldnt stutter or iam i stupid?

[unique cypress]

that entirely depends on where the belt is going

[true walrus]

its going to storage container

its stuttering hard on mergers

merger has "infinite" speed hasnt it?

[unique cypress]

and the container has space in it?

[true walrus]

yes almost empty, just built it

[unique cypress]

and are the constructors output slots (mostly) empty?

[true walrus]

its kinda "fixing itself" now

iam gonna wait a little what it does

[unique cypress]

if the output slots had some items in them, the constructors would output faster than they're producing

[true walrus]

its like last constructor was sending out all wires and others were waiting for him, now he got emptied and other got space

okay probably just some weird thing happened 😄

[stoic gorge]

maybe its kinda of a complex question to be answered by a discord message, but how do I know if my train is going to be 100% efficient, with the distance and quantity of resources im going to transport per min, can someone answer, or please recommend a video that talks about it? In train guides ive seen so far nobody talks about this and its my main concern when using trains

[unique cypress]

it's gonna transport everything you put in if the amount you want to transport is below the max throughput curve of the setup

[stoic gorge]

and how do I know this max throughput curve?

[limpid knot]

So perfect efficiency is an absurdly hard goal to achieve, but you can get closer when you know times of each process, and if they're tightly controlled (e.g. no conflicting traffic on rail).

Load/unload have set times, fill/unfill of buffer inventories can have set times too. So this ties in with your export and import factories production/demand per minute (standard game reference).

How long does export take to fill, how long does train take to fill, how long does train take to travel, how long does train take to unload, how long does delivery take to process fully... etc

[unique cypress]

you can calculate it. the wiki has the info

[unique cypress]

looks something like this (but depends on train settings, train length, number of trains, stack size and belt speed)

[stoic gorge]

oh so it has to do with the time the train takes in a trip, this makes sense, I ll check to wiki, thank you both of you guys

so here the miner is mining 180 limestone but the transfer is only 164

but in this freight just beside it its mining 180 and transfering 180

its the same train and rote, what is the explanation for that?

[unique cypress]

it could be because it didn't have time to average out yet or the issue is with the unloading side (you're not consuming 180, so the train won't transfer more because it's bottlenecked by the consumption on output belt)

[stoic gorge]

let me check

yeah youre right

thank you man

I thought something, its better to use trains to transport the final resources to your centra storage instead of using it to transport the raw resources to another factory because the final product is usually a way smaller amount so you wouldnt really have to worry about calculating the max throughtput, does this makes sense or Im triping?

[thorny onyx]

Is there anything glaringly wrong with this? (I'm doing this while tier 3 gets manufactured, so no blenders for the normal diluted fuel recipe)

[unique cypress]

other than the fact that you could get the same power from 600 oil and no coal or sulfur, no

so you might want to reconsider using turbofuel if getting 600 oil is easier than 480 coal and sulfur

and when you're doing diluted packaged fuel, make sure you use zero splitters and mergers to manage the canisters. make 1:1:1 loops

[thorny onyx]

What if...... I used the oil that doesn't go to turbofuel into fuel....

[grim wind]

Not infinite, but they will essentially never be the bottleneck speed wise. I believe splitters/mergers are something like 2000/min?

[true walrus]

okay i understand, iam not that far to have such output merged together anyways so 😄

[grim wind]

Yup, and if you somehow had 3 full lines of like Mk 5 coming together in a merger that would in theory overwhelm the 2000/min limit, the exiting belt would never be able to handle it anyway.

[granite atlas]

Are those good stats? or there is something i need to produce more / less of

I have 1400 plastic / min and 600 rubber to work with

[dusky dust]

As usual, that kind of question is literally impossible to answer

It all depends on how big you build and what recipes you end up choosing further down the line

My own recommendation is to just build what you need Right Now. Then when you need more later, build more. :)

(though fwiw, having a dedicated production line for circuit boards is unlikely to be worth it unless you really want to centralize their production. They're not used in anything by the build gun; just as intermediate products in other factory lines)

[granite atlas]

Yeah you are right

[granite atlas]

Adaptive control units need it so i thoguht i might need them

[wind spade]

they will make their own boards when you build those

[unique cypress]

You don't really need circuit boards for any building. No need to store them

[dusky dust]

Depends on build style, of course. As myself and greeny have hinted, we'd personally be far more likely to just make the circuit boards Right There, in the ACU factory.

Other folks do like at least partially "centralizing" production of stuff, of course, and in that case maybe you would want an isolated Circuit Board factory which exports its products elsewhere.

Not what I or greeny would recommend, but it's your save, etc. :D

(And just 'cause I tend to never shut up about Independency (https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency) doesn't mean it's objectively better than other build methodologies. :)

[granite atlas]

they wont be really useful for me anywhere else so i should just cut them out of production

in favor of more computers probably

[grim wind]

More computers never hurt anyone! And if the production line is already built, just sink them for some decent mid-game points.

[wind spade]

no, but building that pointless more production is sometimes very annoying to people (or causes burnouts)

[granite atlas]

Now I can get production up to 25 computers and have some quickwire stored for construction

[grim wind]

for sure. Althought I also find personally if I underbuild early and then have to go back and make a ton more X then that can get old too. I like to overproduce a bit, sink the extra and then use those lines as needed later.

[wind spade]

well that's where indepdendency shines, as you don't need to touch other factories 🙂

[dusky dust]

Yeah, in the end there's nothing wrong with overproduction so long as you're enjoying it and are willing to live with the fact that what you're producing is, in the end, a total guess, and is likely to be either over or under what you actually need in the future.

It's more just when folks ask "should I make x/min of Resource Y?" and there's just no way to answer that. :P

[granite atlas]

id rather overdo it than not have enough computers

[dusky dust]

The "Independency" thing that greeny and I tend to go on about is basically a totally different way of looking at the whole thing, honestly

Like, you're going to need to make a certain amount of computers during your playthrough, but you have no idea how much

[wind spade]

you make what you need now, because future things that need computers will make their own computers

[dusky dust]

So rather than overproducing, you just make what you need RIght Now. Then when you need more later, make more.

You're never "running out" of anything, because you know that when you spin up a new factory, you're just making everything from scratch

And by the end of the game, you've produced exactly the amount of all materials that you needed, since you only ever made exactly what was needed at the time

[granite atlas]

Thats how I usually do it and I hated it

[dusky dust]

And it's very likely to be basically the exact same "amount" of factory either way. (I admit that centralizing may save you a few machines here and there, and maybe save you the trouble of choosing a factory site, but still -- it's about the same)

[grim wind]

I get that strategy for sure. But if I'm putting down a Supercomputer factory, I'd personally much rather set down the manufacturers and call in computers via Train or Drone then build that whole production line to get to computers again

[dusky dust]

Anyway, of course, just a build suggestion. :)

[granite atlas]

I prefer a centralized productio and efficiency

[dusky dust]

"Efficiency" is irrelevant

[wind spade]

again, up to you how you play, but generally most people like independency and it naturally solves tons of problems people have

[grim wind]

Don't let Ada hear you talk like that

[dusky dust]

a fully-Indpendency-minded savegame can be as efficient (or not!) as a save that tries to do a megabase

[dusky dust]

I just mean that it has no bearing on whether you "centralize" or not. (At least by most definitions of "efficiency." The problem with that word is that it can mean a million different things.)

[grim wind]

Yup, they all work just as well. As mentioned before, there is no clock, and resources are never exhausted!

[dusky ruin]

how many water extractors are needed to give enough water to power ten coal gens

[granite atlas]

Yeah, but I wanna try a different way of thinking about production and a more centralised system

[dusky dust]

Take a look at the water extractor -- how much water does it say it extracts?

Then take a look at the coal gens -- how much water does it say they require?

[granite atlas]

4

one 75% underclocked

[wind spade]

maybe don't spoonfeed the answer when we're trying to teach them how to get the answer 😛

[granite atlas]

mb i only say his message after sending mine

[summer nexus]

Next time give him the wrong answer so he's even more confused

[dusky dust]

Sure, and I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. I'm just saying that you threw "efficiency" in there seemingly as one reason why you don't want to do Independency of the sort greeny and I were talking about. And while "efficiency" is a vague term at the best of times, my point was just that by most definitions, "efficiency" just doesn't come into it when debating independency-vs.-centralization. Either end of that spectrum can exist anywhere on most "efficiency" spectrums

A factory can be as efficient as it's built to be, whether it's an Independency-minded outpost or a giganto-centralized behemoth

[granite atlas]

I mean for me it would be more time efficient to do one thing and get it over with so i dont have to worry about it again rather than just do same thing over and over

[summer nexus]

Blueprints

[wind spade]

the thing is that you spend (roughly) the same amount of time doing the thing (because you do excess)

[vapid gorge]

if you make he infrastructures for 100 computers pm lets say

if you do 50 pm now, then 50 pm later in a different spot for different need thats the same work

if you make 100 pm in one spot and only need 50pm later that's half of the work wasted

[summer nexus]

Not taking into account the inevitable eventual underproduction lol

[granite atlas]

but now since I know I have 25 computers a minute i will work with that number in mind

and plan around it

some computers for super computers at a different plant

[vapid gorge]

and force down specific design paths that restrict options later

instead of saving that time building when you need it giving you more options

[granite atlas]

no if i need it so much ill construct an independent computer plant

[dusky ruin]

The amount of water produced needs to be higher than total consumption from what I understand

[vapid gorge]

you can feed exactly what you need into it

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

convenient layouts for coal gens. I recommend making groups of 3:8 like that

[dusky ruin]

i see

[vapid gorge]

Azana, what recipes are you using?

[vast coral]

one sec

in a val match lmao xD

[vapid gorge]

ok so sloppy + normal scrap , that's the top right example

[vast coral]

Only thing I don't like about it is that 10/3 is weird

but maybe I can upscale it to 12 refineries?

[vapid gorge]

you can see that in the top right example , you have 250% clocking for solution producers right?

100% of that using fresh water

150% using waste

that means 40% of your bauxite will use fresh

[vast coral]

250% clocking?

so I am overclocking refineries that make the solution?

[vapid gorge]

100 + 100 + 50 %

[vast coral]

oh you meant in total

[vapid gorge]

100% uses fresh

150% uses waste

[vast coral]

ya that would work.

[vapid gorge]

Make them in small groups like this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ZBSHk7wZKkqfjsYh02YP

that's a plan for 600 bauxite since that's whats coming in on one platform

example using 400 bauxite since you'll have that coming in on a platform https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=DRB6efOA7T1II3WUOqQT

[vast coral]

^

sorry quick referencing things.

So ya, I basically need to make it in those sets.

any excess water from like 1-2 refineries I can sink via wet concrete

[vapid gorge]

never need to do that with this system

[vast coral]

or I get a 2k belt.

[vapid gorge]

I made 600 and 400 bauxite plans because that's what we discussed in your train plans 😛

DO NOT connect all the waste water together - make seperate small groups

[vast coral]

ya, and that train went to shit

and my belts have become way easier to manage.

I was having issues with spacing the stations and getting the route to work with me. So I scrapped it.

[dusky dust]

Oh sure, your own time efficiency definitely depends on how you know you are with building and such, so I won't argue against that. :)

Personally, like the other folks who addressed it, I'm not convinced that there's a significant time difference between making a bunch all at once versus making it as chunks later on... There's different things which'll take up more or less time in either of those. But you know you best, of course. :)

[rich night]

So I have a turbofuel factory that’s gonna produce 44GW, but I don’t know how many batteries I need until in starts to boot up, I have 3.7 GW-hours of batteries so do I probably need more or am I good

[vapid gorge]

how much turbo fuel are you making pm?

[rich night]

1320

[vapid gorge]

base recipes?

using diluted fuel or anything?

[rich night]

I’m using heavy oil residue alternate and diluted packaged fuel

[vapid gorge]

this should tell you teh power consumption

shit one sec

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=PJkIKgNiISrUD50Qf0r2

forgot to turn off SAM ore, soz

[rich night]

It wouldn’t work, so I calculated it myself, and the batteries should last me about an hour and a half

[vapid gorge]

it took 5 seconds to drum up the numbers

[rich night]

I’m overclocking almost everything

[vapid gorge]

so add +33% to it as a ball park. that's the most an over clocking system will consume

OCing a systsem doesn't use much more power

[wind spade]

*power storage 🙂

[wispy summit]

I did some math, and turns out feedback loops are a geometric series.

Let's say r = waste water / fresh water

Then for every setup that uses fresh water, you need (r / ( 1 - r) ) of setup that uses waste water.

[limpid knot]

Is the radar towers "1km range" a radius or diameter? Sourcing from the wiki.

Trying to figure out optimal points to stand for overlapping object scanner detection with radar tower detection.

[vapid gorge]

I think there's a map on that for hte wiki

or at least googlable.

but resources to make them are basically free when you're automating things and they don't take much power

[vagrant lynx]

If I wanted to mimic this design 4x semi close together. What would my foundation base need to look like for just the coal gens. Like how many foundations for it?

[vapid gorge]

do you mean making multiple groupings?

because that'll depends on layout and how much space you give yourself.

for me I'd do mutiple staggered floors so it's not as tall

saves a lot of floor space

[vagrant lynx]

Staggered floors?

[vapid gorge]

like in the image I shared in #design-and-architecture , so that the stacks are on the outer edge

[vagrant lynx]

Ah ok. Like make a floor of 8 and then another floor of 8 staggered just a bit up. Ill screenshot and show what ive currently made

[vapid gorge]

play aroudn with a basic design of one group and how it's spaced out and see hwo you go 😉

[vagrant lynx]

Fair. But for just that one group whats the standard size? Is it like 8x8 foundation?

[vapid gorge]

really no standard size. Some people make it super compact, some give themselves space. :\

figure out how wide you need 1 side of coal gens, then look at how much space you want in the middle

I think coal gens are like 3 foudnations long? place one down and experiment

[hushed silo]

u have exact numbers for machine dimensions on wiki

i can calculate how much space u need from that knowing how many machines u need to place

or u can make modular blueprint and calculate how many of them u need

[pastel obsidian]

Coal is temporary, I wouldn't stress too much about it 😉

[vagrant lynx]

My current base foundation is 10x14 with 6 water extractors placed next to eachother on each of the longer sides

Looks like each coalgen is 1x3 foundations

[pastel obsidian]

Should be more than one

[vapid gorge]

@still aurora

[still aurora]

Thanks

[vapid gorge]

you'll probably have ot modify it based on the recipes you're using though and how you want to clock them

[still aurora]

This is the same same you sent me yeasterday!!! I really gotta start saving these. Apologies for asking the same silly questions

[vapid gorge]

that's ok 🙂

and yeah that's my go to image - edited it to be clear to help people

I should probably actually paint the pipes dif colours and take another image but I'm lazy and this is pretty reasonable

[sinful schooner]

Hello everyone. For some reason i just cannot figure out the best way to distribute water to 16 coal generators. I only have mk1 pipes... any tips? I'm doing this in the small pond in the grassy fields...

at least attempting...

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch cg

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[vapid gorge]

make groups of 8, keep fluids in their own little sections as much as you can

example of 64 gens stacked using a modified example from above

[sinful schooner]

I see... Thanks.

the picture did not help, the grouping does...

[vapid gorge]

coal generators are sturdy bastards so doing gropus of 16 would work out just fine, but it's a really good habit to have for later on

[vapid gorge]

diagram or image you mean?

cause the diagram should be the most helpful bit

[sinful schooner]

i'm not in an area that can do that.

Image, diagram is just what i had

[vapid gorge]

hmm I can't think of an area with coal and water you couldn't stack generators like this - but you do you. that's just layout stuff

[sinful schooner]

I don't know why i didn't think to split the systems, 3x8 waterxcoal

[vapid gorge]

sometimes you just need a dif perspective 🙂

[sinful schooner]

yeah, i was just as a brain block

at*

[crimson moat]

you can go even further than that if you're having trouble, e.g. #math-and-meta message

[sinful schooner]

I know i can, and i have... but larger was easier

for some reason.. lol

Thanks again, 🙂

[still aurora]

Thanks for all your help.fr

Time to make this plant first!!!!

[vapid gorge]

no problem! gl with it 🙂

[still aurora]

Screw rocket fuel

[still aurora]

Yea then i'll fiqure factorys out. Maybe nuclear too but that seems like alot

[vapid gorge]

even the alt recipes that are more uranium efficient aren't bad.
and you can use the base recipes to make like 300gw, which is more than almost everyone will end up using

[still aurora]

Noted,i'll prob do another like 100gw or something for 200gw total.(with fuel.

I might end up using alot. This is my forever world so im keeping it till im out of projects.

And by time im done with my current ones i'll be at least 500 hours in

[vapid gorge]

if you're going to do 100gw just go nuclear straight up.
use some power storage to kick start it

that's just an ASS ton of generators even over clocked

although if you already have 100gw you prob don't need hte power storage

[still aurora]

400 to be exact,and i JUST did all the math its like 3,000ms of oil too

[vapid gorge]

yeah just go nuclear. easier than doing all that

[vapid gorge]

a plan using some resource efficient recipes https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=KgiadIMCSzz1Vm9sOHMi

this one cuts out both coal and copper - simplifying things a bit https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=YvcwJb1h6YJ8KqqDtE1p

[still aurora]

This is all the math. I do LIKE fuel cuz its easy to set up. So I might do it anyway. Plus I haven't even unlocked nuclear. I can bu idk how to make the gas mask

Each gen burns 7.5
Each blender makes 45 a min.
1 blender = 6 gens
402/6 is 67 blenders
7.5ms*402 is 3,015ms tol

15ms*67 blenders = 1005ms of fuel for all blenders to be running at full efficiency

30ms*67 is 2010ms of heavy res

22.5 *67 is 1507.5 sulfer and coke a min I THINK that number seems really high tho.

If i use crude oil i need.....
1005/40=25.125*60 crude oil 1507.5ms for the fuel(repeat process for everything else.)
1507.5 for the heavy res
And an additional 378 for the coke

With diluted fuel
16 extracters for water
1,206ms for the total oil for the heavy res(i can't do the math with overlooking because im not home so im overproducing here

Total resources
Crude oil=3,378(2713.5 with diluted instead)
2010ms of heavy res
1005ms fuel
3015ms of turbofuel
1507.5 of coke and sulfer
With a total of 402 gens and 67 blenders
50refiners

[vapid gorge]

gets unlocked with nuclear stuff

Using a planner makes all that very fast

[vapid gorge]

for example https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=faAZr06cgjiLFSLGCzS0

[still aurora]

i mean these

[vapid gorge]

what about them?

[still aurora]

How do I get them

[vapid gorge]

if you have blenders you should have access to alum casings and caterium wire

if you mean idodine filters they unlock with nuclear stuff

!wikisearch iodine

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=iodine

[still aurora]

they are not,also i MIGHT just stick to fuel i don't have the frames and other thing automated

im talking abt the gas filter tho

[vapid gorge]

... just look at the link I specifically linked at you

should be the top hit on the page

[still aurora]

i got it

[still aurora]

also what do these do

it says something abt power

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch nuclear_pasta

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=nuclear_pasta

[vapid gorge]

wiki has everything 😛 if you want spoilers

[still aurora]

gotcha

its easier for someon to explain tho

[vapid gorge]

it's just a part thats used for other things

the wiki shows you the things you can make with it

[still aurora]

ye i see that now

i saw it mention power

so i was confused

[vapid gorge]

Fair, I think there's an alt for plutonium rods that uses it? or something similar

[hushed silo]

are there any alts in tier 9?

i mean are there any alts for stuff in tier 9

[vapid gorge]

yes

[hushed silo]

and here i was thinking i could start scanning every HD i have before it

[still aurora]

also another reason i don't want to move to nuclear yet is that i am in desperate need of a new base,but don't want o move until i have power full built. this spaghetti is why(first image is allumnium stuff

my base rn is sphagetti central

so getting better power is my priority

[vapid gorge]

I mean up to you but you should be making all your nuclear stuff in it's own factory - away from everything else. So that would be a clean factory and more power

[still aurora]

Got it

[summer nexus]

How are you still awake

I went to sleep and woke up

Anyway I read your math, looks all fine but haven't checked it

[vagrant lynx]

Time to figure out my water extractor math, I know its a 3:8 ratio, but does the split in the second picture have an exact math? Or does it just need to split from the one pipe going into the 2 perpendicular pipes

[fringe sleet]

Guys, what should I do at the beginning ?

I already have 1 iron drill to 2 foundry where 1 make plates and the other one store the ingots

[still aurora]

It qas like 4pm when you went to sleep it was 1am then

[summer nexus]

Ah didn't realise our timezones were that far apart

[still aurora]

Yea, its 7:30 now

In the moe

[summer nexus]

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking but they're positioned like that because it assumes you are using MK1 pipes with a max limit of 300m² volume. So they're like that so the full 360m² required for 8 coal gens reaches properly

"120 from the left, 120 from the right. Each gets 60 from the middle so that each side gets an equal 180m²"

"As long as the middle water extractor sends it's water to a junction that feeds the left and right, it's fine"

There are other ways to do this but for the setup you have pictured you're going to run into some trouble since they're in pairs of 4 unless you simply just overclock a single water pump for each? (There might be a more efficient method but I'm not seeing it currently without a large restructuring of the foundations and coal plant layout)

[summer nexus]

Meanwhile I just finished my responsibilities for the day and am getting on satisfactory 😎

[vagrant lynx]

Its laid out amimg to the diagram, just need to pipe it out and down into the water. Just needed to know if the 2 pipes jetting out from the water extractors are there exactly or if anywhere on the pipes is fine

[summer nexus]

You're right I realised my mistake on that first part

Slipped me completely

But yes they need to be laid out like due to the restrictions in MK1 pipes

[vapid gorge]

8 gens need 360, 3 extractors make 360

[vagrant lynx]

I think im wording it poorly. Are either of these designs fine, or do I need it spaced out like the first, or could I space it out like the second.

[summer nexus]

Ohhhh

Makes no difference as long as you use 3 junctions in that arrangement

The length doesn't matter

Not sure why you're assuming this would make a difference unless I still haven't grasped your question xd

[vagrant lynx]

Just wanted to make sure. Im still very new to it and wanted to make sure I didnt need to reorganize before going for the piping.

[summer nexus]

As long as the middle water extractor sends it's water to a junction that feeds the left and right, it's fine

[vapid gorge]

I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to show here

the yellow lines are pipes - that's it

[summer nexus]

He's just worried about whether spacing matters or not

Which it doesn't

[vapid gorge]

as long as no point has to move more than 300 pm, you're fine

[vagrant lynx]

Bet. Thats all I was worried about.

[vapid gorge]

you could do this if you want

because each half moves 180 as you have 2 outputs

[vagrant lynx]

Makes sense now that its laid out it front of me. What i get for trying to figure this out at 6am

[vapid gorge]

go to bed 😛

[summer nexus]

Oh yeah

Take a break man

I start to make stupid mistakes when I've been playing for too long. Never worth it cause you have to spend double hotfixing after

[vagrant lynx]

Ive had my rest, I get up for work at 4am so ive been up for a couple hours. Just like planning things out

[summer nexus]

Fair, the only worries you have for liquids is verticality (and sloshing)

In horizontal arrangements as you've shown. Just treat it like you would a conveyor almost

[summer nexus]

Also I'm assuming you have the ficsit plumbing manual pdf since that's where the diagram you shared is from right?

Cause it would answer all your current and future questions on liquids

[oblique hollow]

That diagram is from the wiki

[summer nexus]

Is it? My bad

[oblique hollow]

Yup, manual hasa different image for that

[summer nexus]

You're right it's the diamonds

Whoops

#1444490073146916975 message

Here then for if you're interested in it necro

[oblique hollow]

Dont need the link to my own manual

[summer nexus]

You made it? 💀

I thank u for your work

[oblique hollow]

Yup, check the name on top of the second page of the manual

[summer nexus]

I'm so glad I came to this game late enough for resources like this to be available openly hehe

[still aurora]

I go to work at 2pm and come home at 10. My responsibilities aren't till later

[summer nexus]

Ah you work those kind of shifts often?

[vapid gorge]

its been around for a long time 😄

[summer nexus]

I wouldn't know, I'm just glad to have it lol

[still aurora]

Those are pretty much the only shifts I end up taking so im either up really late,up really early, or both

Plus my sleep schedule is ALREADY bad

[summer nexus]

That's fair, I'd hate those shifts though. Would make me feel like I'm wasting a day

[still aurora]

You are,but its easy and at least when I am home im on my own. Its not horrible

[summer nexus]

Everything has it's perks I suppose

[still aurora]

Yea,this is temporary anyway.

[still aurora]

LMAO

Anyway time to fiqure out if I should start this fuel project or go through the headache of making super computers in this spaghetti forsaken factory for nuclear

Now that I can actually play the game

[versed violet]

I cast "Spend next 100 real hours designing a computer factory then forget what you needed it for"

[random jewel]

Im about to build a nuclear power plant, and I was wondering how I should build a train to transport 1200 uranium per minute, from 2 normal nodes to near the ocean in the west. Will one train be enough and how many trailers should it have? Thanks

[versed violet]

1 wagon is plenty enough, actual number of trains depends on how long it takes to drive back and forth

[random jewel]

Alright thanks, do you think one node for train with 2 wagon would work, or would 2 trains with one for each node be better

[unique cypress]

1 wagon is enough with mk6 belts. with mk5 belts, the max is 1275/min, so you'd have to make the perfect setup for 1 platform to be enough with mk5s

[unique cypress]

it's generally best to have trains with only 2 stations on their timetable - pickup and dropoff

[random jewel]

Ok thanks

One more thing, I plan to make 18 rods/minute so 90 reactors, would it be good to just fully overclock 36 and use 108 power shards and each one would just have a full mk2 pipe?

[versed violet]

It will greatly reduce size and logistics. just connect 5 extractors vis mk2 pipe to each gen and youre done. Build on water 😉

[random jewel]

Cool thanks

[versed violet]

For extra davanced power plant, connect eaach group of extractors to separate power switch, so you can toggle power in sections and only make as much as you need.

(nuke gens will shut down without water, so its an easy way to turn them on and off remotely)

[random jewel]

Nice, so would a 6x6 grid, with each row connecting to a switch work

[unique cypress]

plus it's best to fill the rods while the reactors don't have water

[random jewel]

Ok

Will pipe throughput be fine, because it only seems to break when in a large manifold

[unique cypress]

don't connect pipes across reactors and you'll be fine

x exctractors to 1 reactor, repeat

[random jewel]

Ok

Well each reactor would need 5 extractors exactly I think

[unique cypress]

depends on clock speeds

so I just said x

[random jewel]

Yea I won’t overclock water extractors just the reactors

[versed violet]

5 per nuke

example stackable rows design

[fringe sleet]

My factories look like this, I have Iron Rods, Screws, Iron Plates and Concrete. And I have copper wires somewhere else. What do y'all think about this considering I'm a new player ?

Is there any other way to split efficiently ?

Like, I want 10 Iron Rods here and 5 Iron Rods here coming from 15 Iron Rods/min

[grim wind]

For splitting, you don't need to necessairly limit items by line. As long as the machines they are going to are limited in what they will use, then the line will eventually balance out. So if that machine(s) that you only want to get 5/min are clocked to only use 5 per minute then it will be good.

Good luck! Unlock and start to use foundations as soon as you can though! Makes it look much more organized and cleaner.

[still aurora]

I was ACTUALLY gonna do this too

[brisk urchin]

you basicaly only have 2 choices, balancing or sushi belt

manifold*
(i forgot the word for a second lol)

[fringe sleet]

If I split by 2, each belt will get 7.5 item/min so 7.5 going in container and 7.5 going in constructor but I need 10/min going in constructor.

[stoic gorge]

there is nothing wrong, I checked everything

is it some error with this specific item?

[dusky dust]

Keep in mind that Turbofuel and Compacted Coal are alt recipes. Did you enable those via the "Recipes" tab?

[stoic gorge]

THANK YOU

this is pissing me off so hard

really what sould I do in this situation

most of the resources are only on the other side of the map

like bauxite

[dusky dust]

Lol, yeah, a small Turbo Rifle Ammo factory requires comically small amounts of stuff

Fortunately you've probably got drones available to you; tend to excel at smoothing out that kind of thing

[stoic gorge]

acctually, I have rifle ammo and turbo fuel by my side I just need 1.2 casing

[stoic gorge]

yeah I was just thinking of that

I dont have it yet, I think I need radio control unit only to unlock it

I ll probably do that first

then work with the turbo ammo

[dusky dust]

What I generally do with aluminum is: essentially max out a bauxite node making aluminum ingots (using whatever recipe chain is most convenient for the other nodes near the bauxite node). Send all the ingots to a sink. Then, as other factories need aluminum products (sheets/casing/heatsinks/tanks) I'll siphon off from the ingots and set up that exact export. Over time the amount of ingots getting sunk shrinks to zero, and it's eventually time to spin up a new aluminum plant

So in this case I'd literally just set up a ridiculous 1.2/min Casing constructor (or assembler, whatever) and drone it over to where the Turbo Rifle Ammo's getting made

And the aluminum plant nudges slightly closer to its deprecation. :D

[stoic gorge]

thats a good idea actually

[dusky dust]

That's more or less how I tend to handle plastic/rubber as well

IMO that kind of micro-centralization makes a lot of sense for bauxite/aluminum specifically just 'cause I feel like you really do save a lot of work by maxing out a bauxite node. It's not that much more work to just bleed the bauxite dry than it would be to Make Exactly What You Need RIght Now™ (as I tend to do for most things), whereas setting up like five different aluminum processing chains (which would add up to maxing out the node) would be nearly five times the work, etc.

[unique cypress]

SAM conversion

[stoic gorge]

is rocket fuel even worth automate for the jetpack or should I go directly to ionized fuel?

[dusky dust]

I'm actually quite fond of Rocket Fuel as a jetpack fuel, though I feel like Ionized is the "best" all around (said the person who's constantly saying there's no such thing as "best" in the game. :D)

Kind of depends on how much effort you want to put into it, in the end. :) If you've already unlocked Ionized, it might be worth it to go straight there

[magic island]

ionized is the best all-around jetpack fuel, but since that's also the ONLY thing it's especially good for, you don't want to invest a lot into it.

[unique cypress]

rocket has higer speed, but ionized lasts much longer

!wikisearch jetpack

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=jetpack

[unique cypress]

plus, you can just make some and test it out

you can even buy a stack from the shop I think

[still aurora]

I hate decimal numbers bro

[vapid gorge]

again, imaginary

[still aurora]

Yea ik,what was the thing you told me to do again. Ima write it down so I don't forget

[dusky dust]

I hate it when my manifolds require 3+5i/min resources

[wind spade]

honestly that would be a fun mod

[still aurora]

Im just bad at math

Funny, im playing game based on mathematics and hate math

Thats not contradicting in the slightest

[wind spade]

I mean if you need 13.5/min, make the previous step produce 13.5/min. It's that simple

[unique cypress]

I wonder how fucked would this game become if cycle times were gaussian distributed. 3.6 seconds one cycle, 2.9 the next

[still aurora]

What im saying is if im making like 400 fuel gens with turbofuel. The number is 53.333333 how do i...use that number

[still aurora]

I don't think i would be playing then

[wind spade]

number of what?

[unique cypress]

Choose a different amount if it bothers you so much

[still aurora]

Sorry I meant 66.6. Its the number of blenders I need total. Each blender can handle 6 gens

[still aurora]

Thats what I ended up doing. I just changed the number to 402

[wind spade]

if it's 66.66666, then make 66 blenders at 100%, and one blender at 66.6667%

[still aurora]

But cobalt said I didn't need to do that

[wind spade]

you don't

[unique cypress]

You're doing turbo blend fuel and burning it for power??? Insane choice tbh

[wind spade]

almost like the game has multiple ways to be played

[still aurora]

Yes......yes i am. I swear if you tell me to go nuclear

[still aurora]

So overclock one?

[wind spade]

well, underclock

but you can also overclock one of the 66 blenders to 166.6667%

[unique cypress]

No, I'll tell you to do diluted fuel, default turbofuel, either rocket fuel, or nuclear

[wind spade]

or do any other combination

[unique cypress]

Turbo blend fuel is kind of a terrible deal compared to diluted fuel. Adds a bunch of sulfur for barely any more power

[still aurora]

Well im using diluted fuel for the fuel, and then making that fuel into turbo fuel with the turbo blend

Is that.....a bad idea?

[wind spade]

no not really

anything is a good idea if you're having fun

[still aurora]

It requires 66 blenders instead of 200 refiners

[still aurora]

Also if one is undercloked wouldn't that mean im making less?

[wind spade]

well if you need 0.66666 of a machine, that means that you need a machine that runs only 66.6666% of time compared to machine at 100%

so yeah, you'll be making less, but that's because it's what you want

[still aurora]

Oh so 66 blenders WOULD be fine. Unless overproducing is an issue

[wind spade]

no, they would make less than you need

since you need 66.6666 blenders, but only build 66, you're missing the 0.6666

[still aurora]

If i build 66 blenders and im missing 0.6666 and I underclock one. Wouldn't i be needing MORR then the 0.666. Underclocking means ur producing less. So if even 100% doesn't make enough how does undercloking give you your number?

[wind spade]

I said you build 66 at 100% and one at 66.6667%
so in total you build 67 of them

[still aurora]

Oh so you are still building 67

But one is undercloked

[wind spade]

yeah

[unique cypress]

400 gens via diluted fuel: 3k oil
400 gens via turbo blend fuel. 2250 oil and 1500 sulfur
400 gens via default TF: 1350 oil, 2400 sulfur, 2400 coal
400 gena via default rocket fuel: 687.5 oil, 396 sulfur, 666 nitrogen, some iron
400 gens via nitro rocket fuel: 416 oil, 1111 sulfur, 555 coal, 833 nitrogen

[still aurora]

This is my math with 402 gens. Note that with what greeny said im just using a LITTLE bit more oil then needed

Each gen burns 7.5
Each blender makes 45 a min.
1 blender = 6 gens
402/6 is 67 blenders
7.5ms*402 is 3,015ms tol

15ms*67 blenders = 1005ms of fuel for all blenders to be running at full efficiency

30ms*67 is 2010ms of heavy res

22.5 *67 is 1507.5 sulfer and coke a min I THINK that number seems really high tho.

If i use crude oil i need.....
1005/40=25.125*60 crude oil 1507.5ms for the fuel(repeat process for everything else.)
1507.5 for the heavy res
And an additional 378 for the coke

With diluted fuel
16 extracters for water
1,206ms for the total oil for the heavy res(i can't do the math with overlooking because im not home so im overproducing here

Total resources
Crude oil=3,378(2713.5 with diluted instead)
2010ms of heavy res
1005ms fuel
3015ms of turbofuel
1507.5 of coke and sulfer
With a total of 402 gens and 67 blenders
50refiners

[unique cypress]

Tf are milliseconds of fuel

[still aurora]

You know what I MEAN right

I forgot the unit for fuel

[unique cypress]

m³ or m³/min depending on whether you're taking about volume or flow/production/consumption

[wind spade]

or m3

(yeah it's not exact, but it's acceptable imo)

[still aurora]

Anyway did I math wrong? Even with the 2 added gens I feel like my oil number is way higher(note it accounts for the heavy res needed to make everything)

[still aurora]

How is default less oil

And how is turbo blend 2250

Holdddddd on

Does 2 gens add THAT MUCH more oil?

[unique cypress]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=dYBeh8rzTDArgAZiMKi6

[unique cypress]

It adds 0.5%

11.25 more oil

[still aurora]

Yea, I don't see how my number is so much higher then yours

Now im confused

That math SHOULD be right