math-and-meta

[wind spade]

and usually question of "will this work" is best answered by letting it work 🙂

[orchid brook]

hopfully it does i am gone give it an hour

these 2 are the only ones arent full

[unique cypress]

A few things:

1. If you want a pipe to go up and have a pump on it, put the pump on the horizontal pipe before it goes up
2. Same if you want to split a pipe, one part going level, one going up. The part going up has to have a horizontal section with a pump on it and then to up

[orchid brook]

i dont realy understand

[unique cypress]

McGalleon would also tell you to use mk1 pipes whenever you're carrying 300/min or less

I don't think that matters, but if he says that, it's definitely not a bad idea

[orchid brook]

ok so when feeding the blenders?

[unique cypress]

In one place I saw a pipe go out of a junction, 90° up, and then a pump vertically on it. Don't. Do it this way: junction -> pump -> bend up

[unique cypress]

Can leave it as is right now, but if you have issues, that's one of the first things to try

[orchid brook]

okay

this is the only one not filling up

soo now what?

[vapid gorge]

youve got a lot of fluid manifolds split between multiple floors

I'm almost 100% certain I've mentioned to you a couple times to keep pipe systems simple

[orchid brook]

like how simple can it be

[vapid gorge]

point A to point B

no splits or mergers or branches

changes in elevation within a manifold is murder

[orchid brook]

so this?
it didnt work

[vapid gorge]

no, your pipes are not flat within the manifold

and if you've got high flow you'll want it looped like so

best bet at this point is to have multiple smaller flow pipes feeding each row independently

[wind spade]

how dare you steal image from Cobalt!

[vapid gorge]

And id do it again

[wind spade]

if you can then I can as well

[summer flare]

Yeah, I tried that 🙂 and while everything appeared stable after 6 minutes with the 2 last generators having a maximum buildup of 4 items, it looked a close thing for the minimal buildup. Sure enough, after another 6 minutes when the belt to the 3rd last generator had a 3-4 item deficit - this filled but obviously reduced the upstream rate and the 2nd last generator went idle. Bit too much of a lottery for me to consider this as a stable solution.

[frosty owl]

Ahah, nice observation!
To make sure I understood correctly: after a while, one of the "last 2" generators got its input belt completely full, which caused the sushi-balancer to back up and output incorrectly, causing the system to delay max efficiency further... Right?
So, ideally, having long enough input belts for the last 2 generators should suffice to make the manifold-balancer version work as expected?

(BTW, I'm totally not gonna use this either, but... Science! 😆)

[orchid brook]

is this gone work?

(nvm the HOR inside)

like its the simplst thing ever

[oblique hollow]

Hows it looking at the HOR source

Have you checked if flow there is good

If flow there sucks flow here can only suck too

If theres no issues at the source then this should just take some time

And as for "how could this be simpler"
2 groups 3 blenders

Not 1 group of 6

Simpler means smaller

And less interconnected

[orchid brook]

i am just gone stick to this and see what happend if it doesnt work i am just gone give up

[orchid brook]

how do i check if it has good flow?

[oblique hollow]

By checking if they all run fine of course

No stalling, no major backup of fluid, runs at 600/min

What else did you think could be meant by checking if the source has good flow?

[orchid brook]

hmmm

what could be the problem again?

ok so for some damn reason some of the REF arent emptying

[oblique hollow]

Ok so that seems like classic mk 2

HoR manifolds are tricky because of the precise numbers

[orchid brook]

sooo wtf do i do

[oblique hollow]

Downgrade every pipe coming out of the refineries to mk 1

And add like 2 mk 2 pipeline pumps along the refinery output manifold

One near the very beginning and one near the end

[orchid brook]

like this?

[orchid brook]

OMG OMG OMG OMG ITS WORKING YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

OMG THANK Y`ALL

[crimson moat]

It doesn't make sense for any use case other than prestige at the moment, because even for wasteless setups you get more power with fewer resources by sinking plutonium rods.

That's especially true if your power plant is <= 630GW as you don't have the expense of converting stuff to uranium ore.

[oblique hollow]

Thats quite the big network

But yes seems about right

[orchid brook]

so what is the OC of the 0.2 one like i have to build 44 but what do i put the last OC at

[floral mica]

You'd put the last one at 0.2/1 overclock

Which is 20%

[orchid brook]

are you sure

?

[unique cypress]

No, it's 0.2 times whatever clock speed you gave set (looks like 250%?)

[orchid brook]

yes its 250%

[unique cypress]

0.2 of that is 50%

[orchid brook]

after 50h of puer pain... its done

a good flat big line. I realy cant thank you guys enough

[digital wing]

If i need 6.4 fuel gens, does that mean i underclock the 7th one to 40%?

[orchid brook]

dang it there is one fuel gen not connected

[unique cypress]

That's one way to do it

[digital wing]

Is there a different way? Im just worried that there wont be enough liquid in the pipes to keep consistent power

[unique cypress]

Any way is equally valid as long as all the clock speeds of the generators you placed add up to 640%

Though obviously you don't want to build 640 generators at 1%, even though that'd theoretically work fine too

[digital wing]

What would be the best way to split the heavy oil residue into the generators?

[wind spade]

Manifold loop

[digital wing]

even though the pipes only carry 600?

[wind spade]

I didn't say one pipe

[digital wing]

thats what im confused about though, how do i split the 800 into two different pipe systems

just a junction which branches off into the two manifolds?

[wind spade]

You.. don't merge to 800 in the first place

[oblique hollow]

you have 20 refineries

Just merge 10 in one and 10 in another

Dont combine the output of all 20 refineries in one pipe network

[digital wing]

oh i see

so you just have 2 sets of manifolds, one for the first 10 refineries and one for the other?

like this?

[vapid gorge]

sure

one of hte many ways you could do it

you could even clock the machines so the HOR feeds directly to the fuel refineries

[digital wing]

i dont understand, the hor already feeds into the fuel refineries?

[vapid gorge]

aren't you asking about how you're feeding the HOR to refineries?

[digital wing]

oh like from each refinery it feeds into another one to make the fuel?

[vapid gorge]

I don't know the recipes by heart but you could probably clock them to be 1:1

or 1:2 or something

[digital wing]

ill have a look

ty

[vapid gorge]

mostly the point is there's basically infinite ways you could do it 🙂

[fierce ruin]

How are you generating these images?

[vapid gorge]

through a poor layout planner

[fierce ruin]

Can you suggest a good layout planner?

[vapid gorge]

not really. doing layouts in game are faster. With notes.
I can suggest an amazing calculator though

[fierce ruin]

Okay please do! 🙂

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=QBFQ8s2S5hgV5FOZSntE

example plan

you can generate a plan like this in 4 seconds

it takes a little bit of practice to use, but mostly just investigating your options

The other images that were shared were from a program called modeler on steam. It's .. very manual. The only thing it does that tools doesn' is split up nodes.
But you can also just make quick notes on how you're gong to break down the tools plan

[digital wing]

i know i use it

i prefer it to the calculators cuz i cba to check all the recipes i have

[vapid gorge]

only check the recipes you want to use

[wind spade]

then check all of them and remove those you don't want to use/get 🙂 and get more hard drives 🙂

[digital wing]

i just said i cba to do that everytime i close the window lmao

i like modeller because i can be v precise w inputs, powershards and somersloops

and i get to manually plan it out as well

[wind spade]

tools remember your settings

[vapid gorge]

... I don't know how you use a browser but all my Tools plans still exist after I close the tab

[digital wing]

Its just a preference lol idk why you’re trying to convince me so hard

How does power work with trains?

[wind spade]

I'm not convincing you, but you're saying Tools don't remember your settings, which isn't true, so either:

• you're confusing Tools with something else
• or you're doing something weird in browser that makes Tools forget your production lines
• or there's a bug in Tools that happens at your PC which makes it forget settings (at which point I'm interested in it from developer's perspective and would want to fix it)

[digital wing]

I didnt specify tools, i just said calculators

[pastel basin]

i have 3 pipes that carry 600,600 and 360 fuel per minute how do i connect them to 69 turbo fuel gens?

[vapid gorge]

I would suggest you make groups of generators that use up what's in the pipes

though lower flow pipes tend to be easier to manage if you don't have much experience

for example 4x300 + 1x360 flow pipes would give you an easier time

[wind spade]

well the conversation was about one specific calculator, so that's why I replied

[wind spade]

connect each pipe to the amount of gens it can feed

[pastel basin]

I am making turbo fuel and 1 refinery used 22.5 fuel p/m 600 fuel in 1 pipe is to be connected to 26.6666666 refineries. how do i balance it?

[wind spade]

you don't, you use manifold

[pastel basin]

Isn't that for conveyers?

[wind spade]

it's for both, but even more so for pipes

pipes can't be balanced at all, compared to conveyors

this setup is pretty reliable

[pastel basin]

i think i get it. I'll try it practically in my world

[vapid gorge]

with this loop I'd have refineries on both sides, each junction feeding 2 refineries though if you're going to have 26+

even loops can have issues with that long a manifold

Preferably, break it down to 300 flow pipes.

[pastel basin]

Ok thank you!!

[steel knot]

What method/tool do people use to organize/plan their multiple train station imports/exports?

[unique cypress]

Excel? Or do one item type per station and you don't need to keep track of anything

[digital wing]

Does this entail having a train line for every type of item?

[unique cypress]

One or possibly more, if there's a lot to transport per minute a long distance away

[digital wing]

Does the whole map not become spaghetti if you do this

[unique cypress]

Why would it? The rails can handle basically any number of trains. Your factory may become half stations by footprint, but that's about the only disadvantage of that approach

[digital wing]

Oh if its a looped rail for one item, do the trains not collide with each other?

[unique cypress]

No, it's a duplex system, properly signal it, all the trains go on it and any train can go anywhere you set it to go

[tidal wedge]

hey. quick question. I'm in the middle of another 2-week satisfactory phase with a new save file and I've just unlocked Cast Screws. Heard they were good, so I built a proper production line, only to realize the output would be 50 x 5 = 250/min, with me only having Mk1 belts. How do I work around that?

[unique cypress]

1 constructor per belt

[tidal wedge]

and 5 separate storage containers?

[oblique hollow]

or you get to mk 2 belts before you start doing high throughput screw stuff

[oblique hollow]

why would you have storage containers?

if you wanna store screws for your own usage, a single container is enough

[tidal wedge]

to get me some screws for my milestones

[tidal wedge]

ykw, that's... A fair point. thanks. Guess the rest will sit idle for now

[unique cypress]

why any containers?

if that's for personal use, 50/min is enough

[oblique hollow]

they just answered that

[tidal wedge]

cuz i need a buffer to save up materials for milestones

buffer isn't the right term here actually

just a storage unit

anyways thanks

[dawn beacon]

You will never need 5 storage containers worth of screws for anything. And if you do, at 250 per minute you’ll fill them fast

[tawdry haven]

What are the best alt recipes for steel ingots, pipes and beams?

[frosty owl]

The ones that look good ^^
(Yes, "good" and "best" are subjective, so explaining your preferences can help giving more precise answers)

[knotty hornet]

Solid steel for sure

And if you have a ton of limestone, molded pipes and beams are excellent

Or, if you went crazy on aluminum, aluminum beams are cool.

[wind spade]

See #math-and-meta message

[wind spade]

"For sure", unless you want simplicity

[tawdry haven]

I appreciate that to an extent but you're basically just telling me "pick what looks good at a first glance or otherwise figure it out yourself". All I want is to know the numerically most optimal recipes, hence why I came to the chat with meta in the name.

[wind spade]

"Numerically most optimal" requires you to define what "optimal" means

[dusky dust]

There is no such thing in the abstract like you want

Like if you want "what recipe uses the least coal" then there's possibly an answer

Or "what recipe uses the least power"

But you need to qualify exactly what you want to optimize for. Alt recipes basically always have tradeoffs

It's true that some of them have tradeoffs that 99% of players don't tend to care about (Solid Steel Ingot, for instance, is indeed an exceptionally popular one). But even that means that you're introducing factory complexity, etc

[wind spade]

Well not even that, you need to think about whole production line, not just comparing recipes for one step

[dusky dust]

Heh, yeah, beat me to it. Recipes in isolation often don't tell you a lot

It's the whole production chain which ends up giving you whatever optimization you were hoping for

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production is good for comparing recipe chains, FWIW. Can toggle recipes and the graph updates with new solutions (if it gets "stuck" on one recipe you don't want, including vanilla ones, remember you can unselect recipes too), or limit the amount of raw materials it works with, etc

Though keep in mind that even using a tool like that, you're inevitably bound to whatever specific constraints the solver's solving for. Like sftools has its own internal "weighting" of how valuable resources are, which doesn't necessarily match whatever you've got available locally (or how you personally value one resource over another, etc)

[wintry rivet]

is this ok? (input 480 for part)

[unique cypress]

I'd say that making so many frames with no alts is a ... questionable choice

[knotty hornet]

It's either add a smelter, or refineries for coke steel, or an assembler for comp steel.

[wind spade]

or keep foundry for normal steel

[knotty hornet]

They asked about alts, not normal recipes

[wind spade]

but you shouldn't exclude normal recipes from recipe selection

especially since "alternate recipes" is very vague definition that has no real ingame parameter

[knotty hornet]

Oh idk, maybe the fact that it says "ALTERNATE" would be a good indicator.

[wind spade]

except that's only one way to look at it

f.e. wiki uses different definition

[unique cypress]

which one?

[wind spade]

costs HDD = alt recipe

[unique cypress]

nope

[wind spade]

is wrong with RF

data not updated

but my point is that the recipe could be named "glurbl" and it wouldn't matter if it's alt or not, it's just another recipe to compare

[knotty hornet]

Even by that measure, the base recipes wouldn't count cuz they don't cost hard drives 🤡

[wind spade]

again, not my point

[knotty hornet]

I'm aware that your point is to be contrarian

[wind spade]

no, my point is mentioned 2 messages above

[knotty hornet]

And it is irrelevant because they asked about "alts," not base recipes.

Use somw context clues, ffs

[wind spade]

most of the time when people ask about "alts", they don't care if the "best" recipe is actually alt or not

they are just asking what the "best" way is to make something

(and if they really are asking just about alts, I'm pretty sure they can tell me that and you don't need to speak on their behalf)

[tawdry haven]

In that case, with regards to steel ingots, pipes and beams, are any of their non alternative recipes actually better in regards for output?

[wind spade]

output, meaning "how much one machine makes per minute"?

[knotty hornet]

Solid gives you a 50% increase for pre-smelting the iron, so yes

[wind spade]

they asked for "non alternative", use some context clues ffs

[knotty hornet]

Okay you got me there

[tawdry haven]

Not really what I asked but thank you, that's realistically all I was actually looking for. Other than you I was pretty much only given half answers that surmised to "figure it out yourself".

[wind spade]

no, you were asked what do you want to optimise for, which you haven't yet answered. I'm perfectly happy to give you full answer once I get full question

[knotty hornet]

That's all anyone ever does in here, give half-assed hedged answers. But in fairness, it's because "efficient" has a lot of different meanings.

[wind spade]

you were also given the tool to figure out the answers for yourself without having to tell us your preferences

[tawdry haven]

If I didn't provide a full question then how would I have been provided a full answer by someone else? Typically the "best" in production is quantified by most gained for the least expended, and by the looks of it I was provided the answer already in a single sentence.

[wind spade]

you have been provided answer based on their own assumptions and/or preferences. That answer does not apply for all cases and sometimes people that answer like this even have misleading or even wrong claims

"most gained", but based on what?
most steel ingot per iron ore? you'd need a combination of recipes, solid steel is one, but you'd also need another recipe
most steel per coal? coke steel
most steel per coal, but don't want oil involved? compacted steel

etc etc.

[digital wing]

I’m having problems troubleshooting why some of my fuel gens are stop starting

The production of heavy oil residue is 100% efficient, but then it doesnt transport properly when its going to the refinery to become fuel

There are no level changes, ive added a loop as well after reading the pipeline manual and it didnt change much

Could it be that they werent pre filled?

[vapid gorge]

overhead images?

and if the heavy ol residue is 100% that suggests nothing is backing up

which suggests theres not a flow issue but a math problem
not making enough fuel for your gens

[digital wing]

Its a bit hard i only have a jet pack but ill try

[vapid gorge]

photomode

or build towers , ladders ect

[digital wing]

😮

What does the blue light on a machine mean

[dawn beacon]

Clocked

[digital wing]

Ok i think my maths had to have been wrong

Gonna rebuild this shit at some point w some blueprints

[vapid gorge]

from your desxcription that seems likeliset

[digital wing]

Im not sure how though, i followed the calculator exactly

Having this many pipes is a ballache

[vapid gorge]

do you have a link to the plan?

[mystic hollow]

incline shouldn't be the issue for why the line going to the buffer isn't being filled

for example one near the extractors

one another further down

i think i found the issue

[vapid gorge]

that could be it yes

[vapid gorge]

how much total oil are you moving in those pipes btw?

[mystic hollow]

all the others are filled completely so i guess a lot

[vapid gorge]

how much do your extractors say they are outputing?

pipe flow doesn't really give you an idea of flow in a systsem

[mystic hollow]

i overclocked the closest one so it's doing 180 a minute

but the other 2 should be 120/m

[vapid gorge]

where's this pipe going?

[mystic hollow]

to the buffers like i said

well just one rn

but it has no oil in it at all

[vapid gorge]

so those 3 oil nodes are feeding those refienries AND going to a train?

[mystic hollow]

too many refineries?

can remove some

[vapid gorge]

no it's just it doesn't sound like you've done the math on this

[mystic hollow]

i didn't

i don't know the equation for this

math is hard

[vapid gorge]

it's not equations it's just .. addition and substraction

it's also generally a bad iea to branch fluids like this

you really want to do the basic maths for fluids

[mystic hollow]

idk how i'd make it work better

[vapid gorge]

what are you trying to make there? in numbers per min

[mystic hollow]

uh

just enough to fill the buffers

[vapid gorge]

that's not a number. And filling the buffers is... not a real goal?

[mystic hollow]

idk man

[vapid gorge]

and I just noticed you're using mk1 pipes :\

[mystic hollow]

i don't got mk2 pipes yet

[vapid gorge]

sure but you said 2x120 + 1x180 I guess you're splitting it 2 ways but it's unclear if no point will go over limits

ok so your main issue where is there was zero planning

which is something you can do , but just don't expect smooth production

[mystic hollow]

i was just in such a hurry to make everything work that i probably did some stupid stuff

[vapid gorge]

it's less that you did 'stupid stuff', it's just if you don't work with an end goal and a plan it won't run smoothly

like the layout isn't a nightmare or anything, it's just you didn't have direction and plans in place

[mystic hollow]

this game feels like i am trying to do calculus

hurts my brain

[vapid gorge]

use a planner like this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=NXcgU6SvV5HdPJZSo3oF

[mystic hollow]

i wasn't making any plastic here since i wanted to ship it to a different factory via train to save on space and to lower the dread of my power grid failing

[vapid gorge]

not sure how that would save power, it just shifts the need

[mystic hollow]

things getting backed up

[vapid gorge]

also - if youre worry is 'Im running out of power' , first thing you do is build more power

[mystic hollow]

no fuel being made

[vapid gorge]

find a spot with 4 coal nodes next to water - burn all the coal. 48 - 64 coal gens would do yoiu

[mystic hollow]

i tore down my coal plant since i didn't really need it since i have fuel power

[vapid gorge]

you're worried about power and you tore down a power plant? I guess that's a choice

[mystic hollow]

plus it halted my steel production since they were right next to each other

[pulsar notch]

If you dread losing power, turn the blue crater into a power crater

[vapid gorge]

there's lots of coal in places handy for steel, avoid putting your power next to your parts factories

[mystic hollow]

i didn't know where to put it that i could easily automate with trucks bringing stuff like rotors and cables

i really screwed up big time

[pulsar notch]

So, for this... one thing at a time. For example, expand your power production until you have a sizeable buffer if losing power worries you.

[mystic hollow]

i have a lot of fuel laying around

[pulsar notch]

Where did you start?

[mystic hollow]

i don't remember the name but it was in the very bottom of the map

like here

[pulsar notch]

Oh, green fields

[mystic hollow]

was planning on redoing a lot of my production once i get proper item transportation going

but then this happen and diverted my attention

it's my first time playing and my friend told me desert is hard to start with

[pulsar notch]

Yeah, unlock oil power, and east of you is the best place on the map for oil-based power

[mystic hollow]

i have my oil over where i am at

was planning on remaking my steel plant in the desert to the north of here

since it has so much iron

and coal

but im trying to fix my oil issue

the extractors are all on stanby because the pipes are full

even though the pipeline i made that is heading towards the train station and the buff next to it

is getting no oil at all for some reason

maybe it was due to me making 3 pipes for each extractors instead of them all being merged into one

[pulsar notch]

You may have accidentally contaminated the pipe with something so the oil won't flow

[mystic hollow]

i can check

[pulsar notch]

Or you have a head lift issue maybe

[mystic hollow]

that is the highest it in lifted

not a lot

[pulsar notch]

If that's all, yeah, that should be fine

[mystic hollow]

i just don't know how to lay out refiners in a proper and efficient manner since this

am i just too stupid to understand

i should focus on getting mk2 pipes asap

[vapid gorge]

that will make things worse

higher flow rates are harder to manage

[mystic hollow]

then what should i do

[vapid gorge]

and as I've said 3-4 times, plan it out

do basic maths, use a planner

[mystic hollow]

idk how to use the planner right

i suck at math

i even struggle at basic math if the numbers are big

[vapid gorge]

if you're unwilling to practice and learn , then maybe this game isn't for you :\

try the planner

it does all the math for you

[mystic hollow]

i just don't understand how half of the tools work on the planner

or what they mean

[vapid gorge]

try them out. See what happens. For example, you're worried about power? well lets burn all this oil to fuel

[mystic hollow]

too late now when i clocked in over 150 hours

i'll fiddle with the planner

i just wish i was born with a working brain

[vapid gorge]

here's a plan for 420 oil to 280 fuel. Uses no alts https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ii2CHqphL0IxQpaEOXdY

in the inputs tab I set oil to 420
then I chose fuel to make
hit maximised
saw it made 280 per min
changed maximise to items per min and set 280

I did that last step because maximise can do weird things as your changing things so it's better to have a set number

[mystic hollow]

I can handle anything as long as i don't have to do major math

[vapid gorge]

well the planner does almost all the maths you have to do

sometimes you'll need to break the bubbles down into smaller groups but that's very easy. Just keep notes

[novel mesa]

You can use a calculator mate

[potent pawn]

hey guys i have 12 refineries producing 120 coke/min, and i need to power 57 generators+1 underclocked at 60% and i have mk.4 logistics how would i manage to evenly distribute it across all the generators?

[vapid gorge]

manifolds

with mk4s you can make groups of 480 belts. plan your sections of generators around that

[potent pawn]

but i cant merge it all cause i dont think mk.4 logistics can handle 1000+ coke

oh wait nvm

[vapid gorge]

make groups of 480, as mentioned

[potent pawn]

i can merge it into 3 groups

[digital wing]

How can i calculate a trains throughput

[vapid gorge]

there's equations on the wiki

[digital wing]

Is there a way i can calculate the round trip time without having the train line set up

[vapid gorge]

not really no

plus you need to give youserlf a buffer on the return time if there's any traffic on the line

also trains accelerate slower when full up

[dusky bronze]

you just have to pull out your phone or something and time it

[zenith sinew]

When utilising the map's output in raw ores, what ratio of mixed/hydrated alloy alt recipes do you tend to go for, and why?

I've never really taken advantage of the entire map, but I often get caught up on the 3-pronged fork of "alloys maximise space efficiency", "pure refining maximises material efficiency", and "Just get something done on the ground now and revise it once demand cannot be met".

That said, if I have all my ducks in a row, I tend to go with pure refinaries... I just struggle a bit to stack them vertically, thus they get arranged into a large x-y array.

[vapid gorge]

plan the output first makes it much easier
and then yo ucan see if pure or alloy recipes are for you 🙂

you also effectively cannot use all the resources on the map, so really up to you.
Personally I just go for the alloys as having a million refineries is dull and a pain. I don't want to play refinery simulator 2025

[deft summit]

correct me if im wrong but isn't there a recipe group that basically just adds water to the normal ore to ingot recipes

[vapid gorge]

pure recipes, yes

I find them obnoxious though

[zenith sinew]

Yeah that's the pure recipe, there's also one that uses limestone which I haven't yet tried out.

[deft summit]

yeah... lots of piping and refineries

[zenith sinew]

I love pipes, but with how tall the refinaries are, it's very hard to build an enclosure around them that I'm overall happy with.

[vapid gorge]

Alloy recipes have very good output for consumption and you need far fewer assemblers in the end.

[deft summit]

I just really love how pipes look

[vapid gorge]

I'm done with refineries >.> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1357870180679815258/big_r_2.png?ex=690e8aa7&is=690d3927&hm=b14929be87432e24e335920482eb2db6b8b8afe195e0e3ff507cb86226f3ad27&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[deft summit]

oof..

[zenith sinew]

I do sort of wish we could handle the exhaust manually rather than dealing with the chimney.

[vapid gorge]

well, the exaust is just visual at least.

[deft summit]

does any smoke actually come out the chimney? It appears to just come out of the weird vent thing

[zenith sinew]

But idk how much of a pita that would be for others... I do love pipes though, so I'm going to have some level of bias.

It comes out of the chimney but yeah it's just thematic.

[deft summit]

Huh I thought it was only the big top vent

[zenith sinew]

It does mean though if you want the smoke to come out of a different place you sort of have to design around the chimney.

[zenith sinew]

I could be thinking of coal plants now that I think about it, so I'd have to check in-game.

[deft summit]

Coal yes theres a chimney with smoke

[vapid gorge]

you can also stack refineries like these coal gens. saves space and staggers them https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1430431067952775280/image.png?ex=690e2f7e&is=690cddfe&hm=62aa4e1b29d1cda4c4c6c9291715c41946ea96c8b8d23133c627c3d326a55612&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[deft summit]

but the coal generators are one of those buildings that look like they would be out in the open anyway
they look very rugged

[zenith sinew]

Hey I like that, that's very nice.

[deft summit]

yeah i never went very far with coal gens... I have like 18 total right now

[zenith sinew]

I go overboard, but the problem I have or rather used to have was the water hammer.

[vapid gorge]

thanks! my last starter power station I did in my 1.0 save

its a good trick to do with stacks

[zenith sinew]

I usually cram everything so close together, the only way to feed it all is committing attrocities with vertical lifts and lift ports.

[deft summit]

stacking buildings is very satisfying

[zenith sinew]

I made a blueprint to make a verical lift 2-high instead of 3-high as an example.

[deft summit]

I have a blueprint that's two constructors stacked with all the logistics figured already and its super useful

[vapid gorge]

make logistics cores 🙂 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1407503791040892968/1407510949178507486/unknown_-_2022-10-16T144117.189.png?ex=690e84b8&is=690d3338&hm=08d03dc159edf6c3eaed0311cf5274cb5c111916147a15d8e2c3d2ae96405c2c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless space dedicated for belts and pipes

[deft summit]

yes those are also very cool

[zenith sinew]

I'll have to check that out.

[deft summit]

also logistics core is just a banger name lol

[vapid gorge]

a smaller version over multiple floors

[deft summit]

welcome.. to the logistics core.

[zenith sinew]

I won't lie, because of how much I struggle to cope with trains, I usually just veyor or pipe things long distances, so I do use spaces dedicated to that.

[deft summit]

i think i will use a lot of trains..

[vapid gorge]

like most things in the game, they are as simple or as complicated as you want to make them.

I could probably help you find a simpler solution for your train issues if you like

[zenith sinew]

I like to build my trains at the level that the game starts killing you

I call them void rails

[vapid gorge]

You could talk to @cinder silo about that

there's a reason his name is 'tunnel rat'

[deft summit]

tunnels are cool

[vapid gorge]

I do my best to hug the terrain with trains #design-and-architecture message

but yeah I'm jsut puttering around cleaning rat cages, if you have a train issue I could help problem solve it if you like while I go back and forth

[deft summit]

yeah i feel like im going to be an aboveground train person

[vapid gorge]

but look up images from Taro if you want to see his tunnels clipping through places. They're pretty cool

[mystic hollow]

no idea how people make circular stuff like this

[vapid gorge]

there's a few techniques and also mods 🙂

[zenith sinew]

soz irl factory has a p3 will continue later sorry

[bitter inlet]

ive seen this before but how do you actually view the plans?

[wind spade]

Wdym?

[bitter inlet]

i figured it out nvm

[wanton hawk]

I thought train stations added track length? I added this temp one to bring power over. However, if I connect the intersection left/right, trains coming from the right detour through the station instead of turning towards the top.

[unique cypress]

They do, but only 100m. If the track around it is longer than that, the train will drive through it

[wanton hawk]

hmm, idk then. the intended way is that turn where I drew arrows. which is much shorter

[oblique dome]

Somehow my brain is broken trying to do a basic mini-factory on xbox and im questioning my 1000 hours pc experience 😭
I cannot figure out this Rotor factory at all. Is there a way to balance 240 into this evenly? Im not seeing one and im going insane

[unique cypress]

Oh, I get what you mean now. Yeah, if the train is supposed to drive like the arrows show but instead it goes through the station that is well out of the way, then there's definitely something wrong

The train must think that the right turn is not possible, otherwise it'd take it

Try rebuilding that part of the intersection, maybe that'll make the train realize it's connected

Or maybe drive through it in manual first, see if it stops dead at some spot

[wind spade]

wdym by "balance 240"?

[wanton hawk]

I'll give that a shot. thanks

[vapid gorge]

do you have mk3 belts?
just use a manifold

[oblique dome]

240 iron per min into rotors. Im trying to figure out what sorcery i did before to balance this. 20 rods to 100 screws for those... i tried boosting the rods to 30pm and then the screws are at 150 needed per min. And i got steel screw that produces at 50 per min, so i thought hey thats great. But each steel screw takes 12.5 per min, at 3 of those is 37.5 iron ingots taken per min. What nonsense number is 37.5?! Ugh 😓

[vapid gorge]

manifold

this feeds the 4 machines evenly

[oblique hollow]

75/2
37.5 is a pretty neat number
75 is 15 x 5
so 37.5 is 15 x 5 / 2

[wind spade]

simple

open SFTools
set iron to 240
disable other resources
set production to maximise rotor

5 seconds and you get the plan

[oblique dome]

I forgot that website exists 🤔

[wind spade]

also, any number is fine, you have clocking, you can choose how fast machines are

[oblique dome]

On xbox im having a total pain trying to set exact clock speeds. Idk if im fudging the controls or what but i can only set the output and its by increments, cant find controls to mantually type a number

[wind spade]

pc master race

no idea about consoles yeah. But you can also just clock the machine slightly higher and ignore the fact it stops sometimes

[unique cypress]

You don't need to clock them at all. Just round up the machine counts and it'll work

[modest ridge]

should i rescan

[wind spade]

read #math-and-meta message

[unique cypress]

If you don't want either, don't take them and they won't appear in next scans

[thorn helm]

I am planning my nuclear power plant at the moment. I just want to play through the game because I never did that before. I already got 40,000 power but for the factories for the Tier 9 milestones I need a lot of energy. I plan to use the impure uranium source in the desert and for the waste you can either make plutonium fuel rods out of the trash and put those in the sink, or you can burn them and make them to Ficsonium Fuel Rods. Is that worth it, or should I just put the plutonium fuel rods in the sink?

[wind spade]

You can also store any waste. All the options are fine, pick one you want to do

[proven aspen]

Click x on it when In the machine inventory then use the arrow keys to decide what number u want

[wind spade]

the point was to write a number, not use the slider

since slider doesn't support decimals

[proven aspen]

Oh mbb I didn't read that mb

U can js click on it on to write the number for me atleast I'm on ps5

[pastel basin]

i made a power plant using turbo fuel having 68 refineries making 1275 TB per minute running 170 Fuel Gens. But the turbofuel in my fluid buffer is still going down gradually and i have no clue why!!!!!!

[wind spade]

what is TB?

also buffers are generally not recommended, I'd avoid them if possible (apart from train platforms buffering obviously)

[crimson moat]

you probably have insufficient flow rate at the refinery outputs, stalling some of them sometimes.

[pastel basin]

I checked every single one of them is pumping out as soon as they make it

I might have to just afk a few hours to gauge my situation

[crimson moat]

all generators are at 50/50?

[pastel basin]

Lemme check

[crimson moat]

because if they're not, it will drain potentially faster than consumption rate

until all of the inputs and pipes are full

(and even a bit more, because pipe capacity is ~20% larger than it actually says/shows on the UI)

[pastel basin]

but if i have a turbo fuel fluid buff shouldn't all gens be at 5050 until that buffer runs out of fuel?

I checked a couple and they all at 5050

Ill just afk a few hours and come back with more data

[crimson moat]

if you filled everything before you turned stuff on, yeah

it does take hours for turbofuel manifolds to stabilise typically

[wind spade]

check especially those at the ends of manifold

[pastel basin]

Alr bet bet lemme check again

Oh crap i forgot to put empty containers in 3 packagers XDDDDD i think it should work now

[unique cypress]

Terabyte ofc

[pastel basin]

Tuberculosis

[faint oracle]

Theres 2 pure crude oil nodes and 2 normal ones, i already am using one for power, is 15gw and 180 plastic and rubber worth it over 5gw and 380 plastic and rubber per minute

[oblique hollow]

is that a question

[wind spade]

that depends on how much power/plastic/rubber you need 🙂

in general, I wouldn't recommend going "how can I use these nodes", but instead go "I want to make X/min product, so I need to find Y/min raw materials"

[faint oracle]

k

[unique cypress]

Also, oil alts can be way more oil efficient than defaults. You might wanna look into those before building anything big

[faint oracle]

ive been looking for hard drives everywhere but i just cant get the good stuff, best i've gotten is the caterium computer

[wind spade]

all recipes are good in certain scenarios 🙂

[faint oracle]

speaking of, i just got the bolted iron plate, should i get it or rescan, i already have the stitched iron plate

[wind spade]

will you use it? do you want to use it?

[faint oracle]

prolly not cuz ive already automated the stitched ones, and it uses a ton of screws

[manic lynx]

hey everyone i was wondering fi anyone can give me some guidance in splitting 900 items per min evenly. I've never done load balancing. also i have unlocked up to mk5 belts. any help would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

[wind spade]

well you're gonna need more RIPs later, you almost never automate things "for the rest of game"

but yeah, if you don't want it, don't take it. If you want it, take it. If you're unsure, just flip a coin or something 🙂

[wind spade]

are you asking because you specifically want to load balance? or do you just want to feed machines and don't actually require it to be a balancer?

[manic lynx]

i want to be able to get the best out of the belts that i have accesses to. i have a build that will be making 1800 items a min

[unique cypress]

Evenly into how many? Also, you can't have 900 on one belt without mk6 belts, so it can't be on one belt. So on how many is it?

[wind spade]

manifolds usually work no matter what, so you don't really need to load balance to "get the best out of your belts"

[manic lynx]

and im wanting to make it that there wont be an back log in the system other wise it will begin to shut down due to the back log. if you want i can give you the blue pint that im working from

[oblique hollow]

best you can do with mk 5 belts here is 3 x 600/min because either way, you need 3 belts

780/min is the theoretical max for them but its impractical for 1800/min

[wind spade]

I'd personally just take each belt and hook it to the amount of machines it can feed with a manifold

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

that's usually the simplest method, and it'll work just fine

[unique cypress]

Could be 2x 780 + 240

[unique cypress]

And I still don't know what you want exactly

[manic lynx]

what about in terms of transporting the items to the location.

[oblique hollow]

what about it?

[manic lynx]

would using a train be the best way to transport all 1800 items ?

[oblique hollow]

depends on distance

blueprints make it really easy to pull multiple belts from one place to another now

[wind spade]

• you can build near to the nodes instead of transporting it
• you can use any transport option (drone, truck, train, belt), they are all valid options, there's never really a "best"

[manic lynx]

the first oil fields along the coast of the grassy plays area to the water fall in the grassy fields.
sorry that i cant be better in wording what i trying to do. its always been hard for me. sorry

thank you everyone for your help and advice 🙂

[pastel basin]

Can someone help me please figure out why one side of my refineries converting crude to HOR is perfectly balanced but the other side is consistently "yellow lighting" both have 10 refineries converting 300 crude to 400 HOR p/m WHY IS IT NOT BALANCING 😭

[wind spade]

did you actually try to balance pipes? 😄

anyway, some screenshots would be great (and I'd also make a #1038092680493801533 thread instead)

[pastel basin]

Alr wait lemme Send some ss WAIT

[wind spade]

include them in the thread

[pastel basin]

Ok Ty!!

[steel knot]

Argh. I just figured I’d unpackage N2 at my rocket fuel factory and then use the empties to package. Forgot it’s not the same compression ratio

[unique cypress]

Not only is the packaging ratio different, the nitrogen:RF ratio in the recipes isn't 1:1 either

[steel knot]

Yeah in my planner I saw 75 N2 and 75 canisters and thought “great!” But since it’s being imported I didnt spot the difference

Just doing one blender’s worth of fuel for drones for now

Not a huge deal, just have to work in another train platform or station somewhere

Still trying to work out nitrogen delivery logistics. Figured I’d do a car for N2, a car for full tanks and a car for empties

[oblique hollow]

how bout drones

[gloomy solstice]

I have 12 foundry's total, each line of 6 foundry's produces 840 steel ingot. so 1680 total, i want 1200 on 1 line, so i've put smart splitters between the merger wich are set to overflow to a sink. But i only get a output of 1000 p/min... does anyone know a solution for this?

[crimson moat]

8 foundries output to A
1 foundry output to A, overflow B
3 foundries output to B

in the future just clock/group them differently so that you don't have to do a partial merge

[gloomy solstice]

i know the problem, i have 1 to 5 load balancer placed, and thats where the 1.000 line meets a 200 line, so the output of that is 1200.

[crimson moat]

you are way overthinking this

[wind spade]

if you did a manifold instead, you'd have 1200 and simpler life 🙂

[gloomy solstice]

i love load balancing haha but im going to workout a solution, thnx anyways

[wind spade]

solution is not merging before split

[gloomy solstice]

jeah i removed it, i only need 1125 going into the constructors so it will work out

[wind spade]

put only 1125 on the belt

[crimson moat]

better solution without remaking buildings:

merge 6 outputs (A)

merge 6 outputs (B)

send both into priority merger, prio A

on B, put a smart splitter overflow line to take excess (all goes to B, overflow goes elsewhere)

then you have a 1200 line, and an overflow line for the rest

[steel knot]

Funny you mention this. This is in order to set up a fuel supply for drones. Once they’re stable and kicked off I’ll probably simplify and make them self sustaining. I could probably hand feed and get them going that way

[oblique hollow]

probably. nitrogen when packaged is very much strongly compacted

[steel knot]

Yeah I have 8-10 stacks in my inventory. Can probably just manually kick off but I wanted to reduce hand feeding this time around. First playthrough I remember hand feeding entire project parts

[steel knot]

About 1.2km away. Not too close hopefully

[mystic hollow]

is this conveyor management cluttered or is it fine?

not done yet

[deft lichen]

why not use foundations if you want it aligned?

also consider using stackable poles (they're an option, not necessarily better or worse)

[dusky bronze]

please use foundation

[mystic hollow]

Alr

[mint coral]

Looks fine. 🍝

[mystic hollow]

I just don't know how I'll funnel them into any splitters for the smelters

[mint coral]

With lots of clipping. You can stack them aswellif you like.

[mystic hollow]

I just want it to look good visually and also be efficient but idk how i would do it correctly

[gilded linden]

can someone sanity check me here, im playing around on satisfactory tools, and:

• max uranium rods is 50.4
• that makes 50 x 50.4 waste = 2520 waste per minute
• to use it all up makes max 22.4 plutonium fuel rods
• 22.4 plutonium makes 224 plutonium waste a minute

..but all the resources in the world cant convert 224 plutonium waste to ficsonium rods???

[mystic hollow]

Especially if the conveyors are gonna be feeding into a manifold

[gilded linden]

lgtm, but IMO life is easier with foundation

[mint coral]

Leave a belts width between the lines or stack them so you can put in splitters. I prefer stacking that way you can put a lift attatched to the splitter/merger

[dusky bronze]

im not entirely sure how tools work but you might have missed a resource or something, or there just might not be enough resources for that

iirc there isnt enough SAM to turn all the uranium into ficsonium

[unique cypress]

Yeah 224 Pu waste is 112 Ficsonium. Barely possible with all the SAM and Sloops on the map

The rest is correct

[gilded linden]

ah, the loops can make bonus ficsite

feels like a waste though, ima have to plan around sinking some plutonium pellets

[mystic hollow]

any visualization of how that would work? I work better if i can see what people are talking about

[unique cypress]

You don't have to make max Plutonium either. The minimum to get rid of 2520 U waste is 12.6 Pu Rods

[gilded linden]

good point, I was FICSated on maximising power

[tulip fiber]

i dont know if i should ask this here but I’m kinda burned out on aluminum right now. I wanna take a break and build some proper roads and train lines around the map - just not sure where to start.

[gilded linden]

have you gone collectables hunting recently? I find a nature-walk to be a nice palette clenser

[mint coral]

I can help when I get home but im a hour out still. But its pretty simple. Use yhe stacking conveyor support . It can be zooped. Stack them as high as you need and connect your conveyors.

You can speed this up by making a blue print.

[gilded linden]

only pic i have nearby showing something like that

i think the storage containers leave thje right amount of space when you push them together, but i could be mistaken

[tulip fiber]

I’ve collected most of the slugs around my factory’s area already, and I’ve got almost all the Mercer Spheres too

( I just want a reason to finally mess around with trains. I’ve been playing since before they were in the game, and I always thought they were kinda pointless/not needed — nothing really beats a solid belt line if u get me)

[gilded linden]

oh, i didnt read your message properly sorry. A uranium train is a good idea IMO

[gilded linden]

you definitely want all of the uranium in one place, and there's only so much of it?

maybe a tiny train up and down just to see it happen, then jump in

[unique cypress]

Trains are mostly useful for transporting large volunteers of product across the map, and even better if there are multiple factories connected to the same network

[mystic hollow]

i see

[mystic hollow]

i still need to get used to the fact that i have access to the blueprints

[wind spade]

yeah, if you want to do ficsonium, you want to use plutonium-inefficient recipes so that you don't have as many rods to burn and hence not as much waste

[wind spade]

afaik you can't sink anything plutonium except rods

[dusky dust]

Yeah, Pu Rods are the only sinkable item post-uranium-rod

[digital wing]

Im toward the end of phase 3, i have about 12k power with a decently sized fuel setup. Is it worth making a turbofuel setup, or will phase 4 have a more efficient power alternative

[wind spade]

well as with anything in the game, it's a choice. You can go turbofuel, you can go further down the turbofuel branch, you can do diluted fuel, you can do nuclear... really depends on which resources you want to convert to power

[digital wing]

Im gonna finish phase 3 and then do turbofuel so i can bang it out quickly w the hoverpack

[dusky bronze]

you can go with nuclear which is a fun little challenge

or rocket fuel which is just turbofuel on crack

thats the phase 4 stuff anyways

[digital wing]

My plan is to do both

But i think ill be almost out of power by the time i automate the rest of the phase 3 stuff

So i think im gonna do turbofuel as my first bit of phase 4

[hazy hill]

okay.

[wind spade]

let me guess, maximise?

[hazy hill]

yes

[wind spade]

yeah, don't use that. Use items/min

[digital wing]

How do you manage getting resources to the factories which arent far enough to train. I dont want belts all around the map

[wind spade]

build near the resources 🙂

or just use truck, train, drone, belt, whatever feels right for given situation

[dusky dust]

Vehicles are generally the canonical short-to-midrange logistics alternative for belts

[digital wing]

Even if its like 200 metres

[dusky dust]

Though for me at least it does depend on the local terrain

[digital wing]

That was my worry

And then i have to fuel the vehicles right

[hazy hill]

200m is fine for belts

[dusky dust]

My shortest vehicle route on my 1.0 save was 200m, actually! 😆

[digital wing]

Is there a way to make it so its not so ugly

[dusky dust]

But yeah, 200m is belting range for most folks, I assume

[digital wing]

Esp if i need like 3/4 resources or nodes for a factory

[hazy hill]

[dusky dust]

Make what not so ugly? Personally I prefer the aesthetics of truck stations to belts, so for me they're already an improvement

[digital wing]

The belts

Having stray lines of belts feeding into the factory is disgusting lol

[dusky dust]

A browse through #design-and-architecture or #screenshots could yield some ideas. Dunno personally; as I say, I tend to avoid even medium-length belts

Making elevated belt highways should be easier with autoconnect blueprints; sufficient decoration can hide a lot

If you see train or road designs you like, those could certainly be replicated for belts

I'm personally more likely to use vehicles/trains/drones though, depending on the situation and what I have unlocked

[steel knot]

Drone enjoyers, how much packaged rocket fuel is “enough?”

[dusky dust]

Anecdotally, on my 1.0 save, my Rocket-Fuel-fuelled drones were consuming about 2.5/min for drones that were active all the time

The specific usage rate will depend on the actual route, of course, but I never saw a route that went under 2 or over 3

(Note that the "fuel-per-min" reading from Drone Ports themselves can't be trusted, though if you make sure to wait until the drone has completed at least 2 round trips, you should be able to trust the "fuel per trip" and "round-trip time" readings, which can give you the per-min usage. (SCIM does the math correctly, but make sure you've saved after the drone's done 2 full round trips))

[steel knot]

Ah yeah. I do have a short leg (about 1.2km) that’ll be a fair share of docking

[umbral pewter]

Drones tend to bug and freeze in time

[tulip fiber]

i know i fucked up earlier but im too deep in the hole with that factory

all of these pipes need extra 80 water/min from the top pipe , how to connect it to make sure all of these pipes get the amount they need

just valves and prayers ?

[wind spade]

honestly, don't

make the setup so that the pipes connect to number of machines they can feed

[wind spade]

no, never use valves

[tulip fiber]

I can’t do it with the setup I have - it’s a byproduct from making aluminum scrap, and I’m trying to feed it back into the system.

on paper it looks great

[unique cypress]

VIPs

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/obqjrd/ficsit_pipeline_plumbing_manual_first_edition/

[wind spade]

use this

[vapid gorge]

feed them back directly to their source in their own production section

blue is fresh, red is waste

[tulip fiber]

oh

i think i get it

nwm i dont

give me 5 min i have to take a brake

[vapid gorge]

for a bit further explaination - the unit you see processes 780 bauxite using sloppy electrode.

the first machine processes all the bauxite that needs fresh water, and the waste water spins up faster and faster to the next machines, eventually hitting 100% without waste and fresh merging

[tulip fiber]

In very simple terms, don’t mix fresh water with recirculated water , yep ?

[vapid gorge]

and keep the waste water within it's own system for preference

[tulip fiber]

okay ,

thanks

when u put it like that it sound a lot easier

[vapid gorge]

you can use it for other things

but sometimes people make it so that the 'waste' water feeds a new bauxite system that produces it's own waste water and so on and it just becomes a mess

[tulip fiber]

Would overflow work as a reliable source of water in this situation? I know sometimes fluids can get ℱ𝓇ℯ𝒶𝓀𝓎 in this game, and it's my first time working with aluminum for me, and let's just say it ain't as easy as turbofuel for me.

[vapid gorge]

what kind of over flow and how?

[gilded linden]

haw, i just spent a week making an aluminum plant, the fluid priority merger in the pipeline handbook makes it easy

[steel knot]

How does “wait until freight car completely empty” work when each car has different consumption rates? Not well?

[vapid gorge]

likely not well, no

unless you've got more than enough throughput

[dusky dust]

I've found it helpful to have a second AGS-enabled save to be able to quickly test out stuff like that, btw

Can turn on all the cheaty options (free build cost, no power requirements, etc), set up a quick station being fed by a couple ISCs via different belt speeds, and see what happens

[long oxide]

Ok how does 2 smelters produce 120 on the belt? If I have 4 shouldn’t it never get stopped up?

[dusky dust]

If you click on the building to bring up its "control panel," it'll tell you the exact output rate that it expects to produce

If each smelter is producing 60/min, then yeah, two of them would add up to 120/min

[long oxide]

Wait I think over time it just leveled out

Now it’s like coming inconsistent

[long oxide]

My bad it’s 30 per smelter

I have 4

[dusky dust]

So yeah, 30 * 4 = ?

One handy trick is that the game includes a built-in calculator; hit n to open it up

("n" for "nalculator")

That's also a search bar which will let you look up any resource, if you wanted to know what recipes you've got unlocked for stuff, etc

[long oxide]

Console sadly, I use my phone

[dusky dust]

Oh, alas!

Well anyway, 30*4 is, indeed, 120/min, so that will fit nicely on a mk2 belt. :)

(I actually rarely use the ingame calculator; I nearly always just have an interactive Python session open in a terminal on another desktop. Lets me assign variables and such then, too)

Do consoles have a "virtual keyboard" type thing which can be used to type in words and such? Or is that left to the individual games to include, if need be?

[dull cedar]

I wanna create a 6-10GW coal power gen factory. Some of you has the perfect spot for it ? If it is possible without train station going to this factory.( I dont Wanna build one yet[train station])

[vapid gorge]

all in one spot? sure, find like 4 coal nodes, OC the miners, mk3 or 4 belts

[dull cedar]

Ok so i should split it? But did I need that much or less can be good?

[vapid gorge]

I find 64 coal gens will get me to tier 7?

but if you have mk2 miners, mk4 belts and 4 normal nodes of coal, you can make a bit more than that

[dull cedar]

Yeah i just have the mk2 and mk4 belts rn

[vapid gorge]

yup, find 4 coa nodes next to water.
every start zone has a 1-2 spots like that nearby

[vapid gorge]

east side of Rocky desert for example. (or west of northern forest) https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1430431067952775280/image.png?ex=690f80fe&is=690e2f7e&hm=59f7e0a857ff2e99f3f2ab560934c85e924c5dd3310a2d5e1971c82766b6d0e8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1169&height=635

[dull cedar]

TYSM!

[vapid gorge]

no stress 🙂 having the coal gens in steps like that can dramtically reduce height as well

[digital wing]

I have a pretty poorly designed fuel factory in the blue crater. I want to upgrade to turbo fuel there, but i naturally dont have the power to delete the factory and rebuild.

I considered building a turbofuel factory in the lake forrest, but i want to save it for aluminium. Is there a way i can jump start the turbofuel factory?

[digital wing]

What i thought is i could just build above the current fuel factory, but im not sure how i would connect it to power

[vapid gorge]

powerstorage

just charge it off geysers or somethign while you build.

[digital wing]

And delete my current fuel plant?

I guess i could make a coal plant as well, its just hard to know how much power ill need stored

[vapid gorge]

if you want, as long as you have the current parts and power storage you can delete everything and rebuild on spot

[vapid gorge]

figure out how much your set up will use - using whatever planner. Like tools. It'll tell you how much it ll take to run

I'd make enough power storage to manage 30 minutes in case of nay trouble shooting needed

maybe an hour

it's very easy and fast to make so making more isn't hard

[mystic hollow]

told a while ago to add foundations for conveyors and i think i am doing it right. hard to do it with all the elevation

[vapid gorge]

evelation changes can be managed pretty easily, just gotta decide how big and where you want your first floor, then find the highest point and start paving ther e

[mystic hollow]

since i need a few refineries since i am using all 6 nodes here

gonna need a ton of concrete

using the planner a lot for this

[vapid gorge]

do it 🙂 they are very useful

[steel knot]

Yeah I did that to get the 6x6 BP designer and flight. And also figure some other stuff out. Also less laggy because there’s nothing there

[mystic hollow]

how would i connect all 6 miners to a single manifold line without making it too messy?

since im using all 6 nodes so 720 ore a minute

[modest ridge]

Use concrete platforms to align it using World Grid if you use World Grid

[mystic hollow]

how do i turn on world grid?

would help a lot

[vapid gorge]

hold ctrl

[vapid gorge]

first of all, dont.
process your belts from miners in their own sections.

your belts don't have that much throughput

[crimson moat]

If you have mk.5 belts you should definitely be overclocking your miners

[mystic hollow]

i only got mk4's rn

[crimson moat]

mk.4 can't move 720/min

but 6 nodes will give you 900/min if they're all impure with mk.2 miners, so worst case.

[mystic hollow]

all 6 are normal

[crimson moat]

so 2x that

[mystic hollow]

so should i split them into lines of 2

3 going into one and 3 into another?

[vapid gorge]

as you've had issues being overwhelmed and oragnising things, you'll likely find things much easier to process each node individually

keep things simple and organised

[mystic hollow]

if i can figure out how to organize it

[vapid gorge]

process each node individually, then go from there

[mystic hollow]

i can try

not sure if i can make it work right but i'll try

[mystic hollow]

I'd need a massive platform if i wanted to do all 6 individually but that'll probably end up bottlenecked

[vapid gorge]

it takes basically teh same number of machines to process it? not sure what you mean

[wind spade]

Personally ai'd much more suggest local grids over WG

[faint oracle]

is the heavy turbofuel or regular turbofuel recipe better?

[unique cypress]

depends for what

[faint oracle]

power lol

[unique cypress]

then I'd consider making turbofuel at all questionable

you can get 20 GW from 600 oil with regular fuel

[faint oracle]

how??? im only getting 5gw with 600 oil

[unique cypress]

and by the time you need more, you ususally can do RF or nuclear

[unique cypress]

alts. Heavy Oil Resiude and Diluted Fuel (Packaged or blender)

[wind spade]

Depends also on other recipes used

[quasi whale]

question about somerloops how do you all like to use em? like what do you amplify production with and how many power augments do you have with em

[unique cypress]

until phase 5, I use about half on augmenters, half on doubling various things (slugs, protein, space elevator parts). after phase 5 completion, all go into augmenters

[quasi whale]

ic

[umbral cedar]

can anyone tell me why this conveyor lift is not moving ore to the foundry? the blueprint is identical for each of the 4 rows, meaning i made 1 foundry on either side, blueprinted it, then made 3 more for a larger build, but the first 2 foundries don't receive the ore that comes from the elevated conveyor. in screenshot it's entering the conveyor, but not going into the building. no amount of rebuilding the splitter/conveyor/lift makes it work

[crimson moat]

Lifts that connect directly to a splitter/merger at the top are a bit wonky. I've had many of them spontaneously disconnect themselves too.

building it from the splitter/merger or using a little belt makes it reliable

[umbral cedar]

damn, i really do not want to use small belts especially because the 3 rows of foundries after the first row get their ore reliably every time i build it. i also tried building the lift from both the input of the building and the output of the splitter, both failed but the lift starting from the foundry did not have ore in it

[unique cypress]

pull out a belt and see if the input/output arrows show up

[crimson moat]

Oh, the other thing that you can do

is build the lift from the input

[crimson moat]

and then add the splitter/merger to the lift

if you do it the other way around it can bug, but that way should be fine

[unique cypress]

yeah, that shows that the lift is not connected to the foundry

you can try connecting them with a belt but it might say that the belt is too short

[crimson moat]

just edit the BP so that each lift is built on the input with an empty top, and build a splitter on the top of each lift directly

and it will work

[umbral cedar]

so this should work then as the output of the lift is not showing the arrows?

[crimson moat]

Maybe, but i would put the splitter directly on top of lifts

rather than being halfway between 2 different lifts and having that buggy connection on top

you can still send the resources to both sides just fine, and it's denser as well

[umbral cedar]

i'm not grasping what you're explaining, can you show me?

[crimson moat]

sec

So, this is the bit that can break

where you can see that black extendy thing between them

[mint coral]

I hate this is the optimal way to make large quantities of rubber

[crimson moat]

you can build a lift like this

and then put a splitter directly on top of the lift

If you build splitter/merger on the lift directly, it's fine

If you build lift on top, going down, bottom side should have belt

If you build lift on bottom, going up, top side should have belt

the double-snap on both bottom and top side is what can break for no reason

[echo pasture]

Im new, is this load balanced properly?

[umbral cedar]

hm, i wasn't aware that you could stack a lift and a splitter like that. thanks for the explanation!

[crimson moat]

most compact and fully reliable (:

[unique cypress]

Balanced? sure. but why you're using 6 constructors when you can only supply 2 is beyond me

[echo pasture]

Smelters output 30/min when constructor requires 20/m for plate, my brain didnt know how to split it evenly without each constructor recieving 10

[unique cypress]

that's how much they're currently receiving. 60 ingots spread across 6 constructors. that's 10 each.

also a plate constrtuctor takes 30 ingots, not 20

[gilded cedar]

I have 5 pure iron nodes (120 x 5), just completed phase 1, what would be the optimal output of items? like how much of that should be just iron rods/plates and how much should be smart plating etc, and how do i plan that

[unique cypress]

http://satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[digital wing]

do i need to be wary of anything fluid related here?

maybe its best if i send the whole thing actually

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=n4p9a0wXGY2xH0hJji6b

ive not used valves yet, should i have one on the pipes from the extractor leading to the water which goes into the sloppy alumina to ensure the byproduct water can get out?

[gilded cedar]

Do i underclock them to get the decimal?

[unique cypress]

can, don't have to

[unique cypress]

you absolutely do. and no static solution (valve, changing the extractor's clock speed) is gonna work reliably. you need something that can adjust itself dynamically.

the typical solutions include:

1. a VIP to prioritise using byproduct water
2. packagers and a priority merger to prioritise using byproduct water
3. using 2 sets of alumina refineries, one to consume only fresh water, the other only byproduct
4. getting rid of the byproduct water via packaging, wet concrete, coal gens, or anything else that can use water

[digital wing]

I think getting rid of it is the simplest solution for me

[crimson moat]

#1 is bug abuse (there isn't any intended way to prioritise competing liquid flows)
#2 is the most powerful option (e.g. instant start/stop capability)
#3 is easiest reliable config to build
#4 is.. you should learn how to do 3 cause you will hate yourself the next 10 times you have to build this otherwise

[gilded cedar]

Would you make any changes here and is there anything i should do considering what i might need later on?

[knotty hornet]

That looks pretty smart to me

[digital wing]

ok ill try #3 but if it goes wrong i blame u

[unique cypress]

well, I wouldn't automate smart plating at all, as it's only needed for the space elevator and in known amounts - it's easy to just handfeed a single assembler and make just enough to finish the phase

[crimson moat]

As long as the section using byproduct water is sized large enough and has its solid inputs prioritised over the fresh machines (smart splitter > all in, overflow move to next machines), it's basically idiot proof

[unique cypress]

the only time I tried using #3, it eventually broke, but everyone who uses it swears it's perfectly reliable so idk

[digital wing]

so for my example, I would do 2 refiners for the by product water, and then 1 for the normal water?

[crimson moat]

Not sure. Just check that the waste refineries consume >= the water that all refineries produce as byproduct.

[crimson moat]

might have been wrong or lacking solid prioritisation, otherwise weird old bug with fluids on save/load? I don't know, never seen it fail. It theoretically can if you feed the fresh machines while starving the byproduct ones, but the smart splitter fix makes that impossible with a few clicks.

[unique cypress]

it failed due to scrap not being fully used and then never recovered

[gilded cedar]

is there any of the parts im gonna need alot of, like screws or rods or plates

[unique cypress]

concrete lol

[gilded cedar]

or will i just have to rework the factory either way

[crimson moat]

Ok, that is another thing that i kinda forget to mention because it's something i always do

overflow sink your scrap production chain (at least from byproduct refineries, but might as well do all) AND/OR priority merge such that scrap always exits from the byproduct refineries before the fresh ones

overflow sink was the zero thought solution to not even have to consider what happens if/when scrap clogs, because that's a whole other (easily deleted) headache

If the byproduct refineries are jammed at 500/500 and the fresh isn't, specifically that way around, you can cause a deadlock.

You probably merged in a way that accidentally or unknowingly gave the fresh refinery output priority, and overflow sink wasn't there to catch it.

It's the same cause as before, when fresh runs but byproduct doesn't it can overfill the byproduct pipe. To prevent that you must feed byproduct with priority and drain byproduct with priority, but we have tools to do that 100% reliably. Smart splitter on input. Overflow sink or priority merger on scrap output.

I'l probably make a quick tutorial for these setups at some point, not just how to make them but how to calculate the split between fresh & byproduct, why they work and why each part is needed. It's not just aluminum, but acids and stuff too which run best with loopbacks

[knotty hornet]

You only need screws for a few pieces of equipment and an AWESOME shop, every other use for screws is in a production chain, so you don't need to store hardly any.

[mystic hollow]

I'll just build stuff when i am home and ask occasionally if it needs changes. That would work better

[echo pasture]

I was really tired last night and got mixed up I guess, back on now and I understand thanks currently rebuilding it

[unique cypress]

The issue is that none of the images people (*cough* cobalt *cough*) share mention that a sink is required nor are they built in a way that'd allow you to prioritise using the scrap/alumina from made byproduct water because all the alumina is just merged into one pipe

When I built it, I had the feeling that it's a dumb design because you'd need to use a VIP for the alumina anyway to make sure it doesn't deadlock, and lo and behold it did when I built it exactly like I thought it would.

So you'd need not only split the alumina, but the scrap as well and then priority merge the scrap coming from byproduct water with higher priority than the one from fresh.

So pre-1.1 (and therefore pre-prio mergers), this setup was impossible to build fully 100% reliably without a sink. Even now, I wouldn't be 100% sure that with the double split it will be but at least I don't have any obvious doubts about it

[crimson moat]

It was possible, but if you let your output back up (which was inadvisible) then you needed to have the scrap outputs connected in a certain order.

If you let it back up and also have them connected in the wrong order, it could fail

like if you have

<===byproduct===byproduct===fresh

then that prioritises adequately

but if you belted it the other way and did byproduct===byproduct===fresh===>

then it would preferentially drain the fresh refinery when under a partial load, clog the byproduct ones, and could break.

because even with just regular mergers, the first way of connecting deprioritises the fresh scrap, and the second way prioritises it.

It's not a priority merger thing, priority merger just allows you to override these behaviors and make it happen 100% of the time so that you don't have to math out if something is "prioritised enough" based on how many mergers it has to go through and how many things are connected to those mergers at what flow rates.

People generally don't run into that issue because they tend to build the first way, not the second, and the first way IS adequately prioritised on i think every recipe combination even with regular mergers.

That being said, it DOES need to be explicitly pointed out that you have to build it that way or take other accomodations.

w.r.t splitting alumina, i don't know what you're talking about there. For alumina solution i've always done and always seen just direct 1:1 piping, so each solution refinery has its own scrap refinery. That's the easy part.

overflow sink here is, and often is, just another layer in the swiss cheese safety model where you can fuck up a bunch of other things and it will catch you and make the system run perfectly anyway. I don't believe that it was ever neccesary, but there are definitely a range of conditions that can/would break an alumina system but will not break it if there's a sink present. I think that they're all preventable with good design.

It's not even that complicated or involving that many parts either, but it's nontrivial with a lot of interesting math under the hood which isn't obvious

[unique cypress]

Fair, but that also kinda requires the scrap to be split up. Because with the alumina just mixed, you cannot be sure which scrap you're prioritising by building the manifold one way or another. It's all made with a mix of both and both can flow along the pipe manifold to any scrap refinery.

With scrap split up as well, it might be sufficient, but it'd require testing under all ranges of demand for me to be sure that a prio merger is not required

[crimson moat]

I don't recommend and i don't think anyone recommends merging your alumina solution, but if you do it then it should not be merged between fresh and byproduct refineries

you technically can do it but it makes it mathematically much easier to hit several failure modes and even adds more failure modes for no good reason

[unique cypress]

I can't believe you've made me unblock cobalt so I could find this image
#math-and-meta message

[crimson moat]

That image doesn't have merged alumina solution

oh i see, different image

I think that's from the pipe manual 1.0? But if it's meant to be interpreted that way, i'd consider it an error

it's adding pipes to increase risk and not improve function

[unique cypress]

You'd need a 5th scrap refinery to make this work without merging alumina

I'm talking about the bottom right example

Because a sloppy alumina refinery at 90% makes 216 alumina, but 1 electrode scrap refinery takes 180

Or overclock it I guess

[crimson moat]

Yeah i see

[unique cypress]

Cobalt also sends another image with 3 refineries in each row but I have no clue which recipes that uses and at what clock speeds etc

So it's possible that can be/is fully split

But the ones from the manual require the alumina to be in one pipe or an extra refinery

Well, maybe the top 2 don't because they have scrap underclocked

[gilded cedar]

how do i make this work

cant fit 2 splitters in a reasonable way

[crimson moat]

probably something like this

you don't need that awkward pipe between the refineries 😄

but you see there, the alumina solution is just straight 1:1

you can always make that work, it might take extra machines at some recipies/ratios/clocks

[crimson moat]

you can fit them

but make more room if you want

[knotty siren]

Too close together? You can also run a conveyor belt across and attach the splitters to the conveyor belts using CTRL while lined up with the smelters

[crimson moat]

put splitter in front of machines 2 and 3, connect them, add a side belt to each which goes to machines 1 and 4.

[digital wing]

Does a splitter have an items per min rate?

Oh actually

Silly question lol dw

[unique cypress]

whatever's the speed of the belts you connect to it

[digital wing]

i wish we had 2 way splitters

[unique cypress]

just don't connect 1 output and it'll split 2 ways

[digital wing]

Yeh i was being stupid

This aluminium factory had me going crazy

[digital wing]

I did it!!!!!

It was rly easy tbf

It looks disgusting but it works lol

[oblique hollow]

i tend to join the alumina refineries into a shared pipe alumina pipe network when i do a split water cycle

that way if one of the scrap refinery's outputs is clogged, the alumina refineries will all slowly stall, not just the one that happens to be connected to the scrap refinery

[unique cypress]

and why would only one of them stalling be an issue?

[oblique hollow]

you mentioned yourself that if a scrap refinery that deals with alumina from a recycler refinery doesnt get sunk, the system can clog

clog in the terrible way

if its all shared it tends to make it all stall and also recover somewhat equally

lemme see if i have a demonstration case...

[unique cypress]

well, yeah, that's why I think the scrap refineries should be separated and the refineries that use alumina from byproduct water should be prioritized

[oblique hollow]

i was just trying to share some design idea that doesnt need priority and can still work while in a "failing" state

[lime yew]

anyone know the easiest way to compress 2500 screws onto 5 belts running 480 and a remainder belt of 100?

[unique cypress]

The best idea would be "don't" but a belt mixer with a bunch of smart splitters in the right places would be able to do that

[lime yew]

alr thx

[wind spade]

group producers so that they make the amounts you need

[lime yew]

Im so mad I didnt think of this 4 hours ago

[steel knot]

How do I interpret the production stats on satisfactory calculator? I know the only aluminum factory I have is producing what it should but this shows an overage?

[oblique hollow]

it says you dont make enough

er wait...

i read wrong

[unique cypress]

SCIM assumes all machines are running at 100% uptime. Which, if that's not the case, gives completely inaccurate numbers

[steel knot]

Hm. But in this case they are each clocked to 100%

Do you mean clock rate? Or uptime

Like is this a way to tell which lines are bottlenecked? I know it doesn’t show per machine

[unique cypress]

I literally said uptime

It does take clock speed into account, because that's saved in the save file

Uptime isn't

[steel knot]

Which is why I was incredulous

Not knocking you

If I look at the machine (on satisfactory calculator) i only see clock speed and not uptime, so that’s why I was surprised

[unique cypress]

Uptime is calculated by the game on the fly and isn't saved, so SCIM wouldn't be able to know what it is without analyzing the factory

[frosty owl]

It doesn't consider logistics, it just sums up inputs and output of machines placed and powered within the savefile

[wind spade]

yeah it's practically a wild guess

[digital wing]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=SAZLD9IjoAYTPuWWgIh5

Im having trouble figuring out how to split the HOR into the three respective pipes

also i think i prefer tools over the modeller now lol

[wind spade]

have three groups of refineries each making the desired amount of HOR

[oblique hollow]

you dont need to merge all 30 refineries into a single pipe network

[steel knot]

Ok so the factory statistics aren’t really useful?

[wind spade]

not really

[oblique hollow]

a single HOR refinery makes 40/min HOR
200/min HOR is just 5 refineries

[wind spade]

it's basically "global save statistics if everything runs at 100% capacity"

[unique cypress]

they are if all machines making said item are at 100% uptime. Given that in my designs, always all but one or 2 are, it's decently accurate if I just want to know approximately how much I'm making

[digital wing]

For the turbo blend, can i build 26 blenders and just overclock one to 166.7% or will that not work

[oblique hollow]

merge smaller groups of refineries

the HOR refineries make 40/min each and every value you see in the planner for HOR is a multiple of 40

[digital wing]

yeh i got that

I mean for when i turn the HOR into the turbo blended fuel, it says i need 26.667 blenders

Can i just use 26 with one overclocked to 166.7%

[oblique hollow]

yeah and for that you can do whatever really

800 HOR is probably best done in at least 2 pipes

[digital wing]

yeh i was going to just split it into two sets of 10 refineries

and then they feed 13 blenders each

[oblique hollow]

cause you sure wont be able to squeeze it into 1
and then you just make 2 blender groups and adjust them so they use 400 each

13.33333 x 2

[digital wing]

this is what i dont understand lol

[oblique hollow]

you need 26.666 blenders

you can just do 13.3333 times 2

which is 13 and then one at 33.3333%

and then just do that all twice

[digital wing]

oh right

so the 14th is overclocked to 33.3 recurring

[oblique hollow]

yes

[digital wing]

thanks mate, thats super helpful

[oblique hollow]

in the end you would have 28 blenders

or you overclock a blender to 133.333 %

then its 26 blenders total

how you do it is a freeform problem

the calculator effectively just tells you "in the end the percentages in your machines need to add up to 2666.666%"

[digital wing]

if you were to overclock one would it not need to be to 166.66666%

[oblique hollow]

well its one blender per group that needs to be overclocked

remember, 13.3333 blenders per group

[digital wing]

oh right right right yeh

ok this factory is easy then

[oblique hollow]

the percentages just gotta add up to 26.666 blenders total

you can build as many blenders and clock them however you want

[digital wing]

do you think i need to use valves for this at all

[oblique hollow]

nah, not needed

its all smaller groups and you dont hit the flow rate limit

[unique cypress]

technically, it's uptime * clock speed is what needss to add up to 26.(6). they can all be at 100% if some of them idle

[oblique hollow]

yeah if you dont care about idling machines, sure

could just have 12 blenders at 250% for each side and then you just go "alright now work it out you guys"

[digital wing]

no id prefer them all to be working all the time lol

[vapid gorge]

@topaz granite keep your fresh and byproduct water split like this

blue fresh, red waste

works with future set ups that have gasses as byproducts too

@tawny glade why are you asking for help in a channel where no one can speak to you?

[digital wing]

fuel gens dont consume power from the grid right?

oh so overclocking them is defo the play

ty!

[vapid gorge]

if you ahve spare shards? sure. It only saves you space. Doesn't get you more power per fuel

[digital wing]

yeh i know, im not trying to place 160 generators lol

64 is much more fathomable

how do i know how many batteries i need for drones

[vapid gorge]

it tells you it's usage when you have the drone flying

you can also use fuels for drones. Or plutnonium rods

[digital wing]

yeh i think im going to wait until i get the rods

[echo pasture]

What would be the way to make iron screws 1:1? Im confused because theres an output of 30/m and an input of 10/m, my brain defaults to splitting it between 3 constructors but it feels like im overcomplicating

[vapid gorge]

a bit messy but should work

[echo pasture]

Im hoping so

unless you arent talking to me lmao

[vapid gorge]

no, I was

[fair viper]

if you have it unlocked, you can set the miner and any constructors to make less. (assuming they haven't changed that. I haven't played in like a year)

[digital wing]

is it worth using drones until I have batteries automated?

[vapid gorge]

up to you , they work fine with regular fuel

[digital wing]

how can i figure out roughly how much turbofuel p/m they woukd consume

or does it depend on their destination

[vapid gorge]

run the drone, it'll tell you afteer the trip

[unique cypress]

ofc it does

[vapid gorge]

as mentioned before

[unique cypress]

also, it's /min. p/m would be points per meter

[digital wing]

ah i thought it was a flat cost like a train

[vapid gorge]

trains also don't have a flat cost

they use more power uphill, negative power going down hill breaking

[unique cypress]

a train's cost isn't flat either

[digital wing]

sure but is it not always within the same parameter

like the max they can use is like 120 or smth?

[vapid gorge]

sure but distance for drones is the same thing.

[uneven void]

why does my pump not pump

[unique cypress]

either because the pipe before it is empty or the pipe after is full

[vapid gorge]

@eager bronze circles are ports
make sense?

dotted lines ... like belts or whatever

[rugged tendon]

I am bad at ratios. What is a single miner on a normal mode capable of doing WITHOUT the belt clogging up?

[vapid gorge]

look at what the miner is outputing

look at what the recipe needs

[vapid gorge]

more overhead? you can use photomode

press P

[upper ravine]

Thats cool

[vapid gorge]

ok it's hard to tell exactly because pipes are overlapping

[upper ravine]

This is the intake

[vapid gorge]

but it looks like you're going over your pipe limit

[upper ravine]

Yeah I figured, not sure how to fix that

[vapid gorge]

same way as anything.
how much pm can a mk1 pipe move?

and how much are you trying to pump through it?

[upper ravine]

Would I have to have separate inputs on the line for each water intake?

[vapid gorge]

that's one solution

[upper ravine]

Mk1 is 300, but I looped it so It shouldnt be an issue? Unless I have to loop from the back

[vapid gorge]

you still have 1 pipe trying to move 360

!wikisearch CG

[upper ravine]

Yeah I figured

[vapid gorge]

... bot is down one sec

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

ah there we go.
example layouts that are beginner friendly

[upper ravine]

Yeah so separate input for at least one of the extractors

Makes sense, thanks!

[vapid gorge]

you can also do this

still basically teh same thing, more than 1 pipe to manage the flow

[upper ravine]

Alrighty Ill probably do that because it fits easier in the build

[vapid gorge]

in genearl keep your pipes as simple as possible too.

[upper ravine]

Thats what I was trying to do when I was planning it, my previous power setups were always in the grassy fields and the water there is in a lot harder spots to manage so I had more complicated piping but it worked better than it is now lol

Just gotta move some stuff around

[vapid gorge]

most coal is next to large pools of water that make it convenient. But not all

just gotta find the 'most'

[upper ravine]

I just have a couple nodes pretty far away but got tractors bringing it in

[vapid gorge]

just burn it on location 😉

you can cable power back to you easily

[upper ravine]

I generally automate resource nodes to bring in to a closer area to hub/other factories for convenience

I can have all my steel right next to all my iron

Makes logistics a little easier late game

I love trains and enjoy utlizing them lol

[upper ravine]

@vapid gorge Opted for 2 extractors at 75% on each line to save power and reworked the pipes having the stacked pipes. Nice and consistent power gen now, thanks!

[vapid gorge]

no problem!
you'll probably want to find some more coal nodes soon though. If I recall correctly those are impure so you won't get much from them. East of you there's a bunch more nodes next to the ocean.

you'll need a fair few generators

[upper ravine]

I got 2 normal and 2 pure, the normal ones are feeding steel plant at the moment, and the pure ones feeding the coal power. Just got MK2 Miners so Im about to double the steel plant and coal power. Just wanted to work the pipes out before I did that

Should hold me over until I start oil power

[digital wing]

Is there anything wrong with this

Im producing the exact amount of turbofuel for all of these gens

The two rows are separate turbo fuel pipes as well

It’s 32 fuel gens connected if that makes a difference

[vapid gorge]

it kidna looks like the input pipes are going up for some reason?

[digital wing]

Shit yeh

The left one defo is i think the right one is just bent weirdly

[vapid gorge]

how much fuel per min are you feeding pm down it?

[digital wing]

I’m not my by laptop and console anymore

But if i recall its just 600

But if the pipe is slanting up then that will be an issue

[vapid gorge]

ok so I would tidy up the manifold.
get the gens to be exactly opposite to each other, make sure they are flat and none of hte inputs feed up

[digital wing]

But otherwise that manifold will work right ?

[vapid gorge]

probably not since you're running 600 in the pipe 🙂

flood the system and see though, it could