math-and-meta

[dusky bronze]

satisfactory tools (web) and satisfactory modeler (steam)

[tulip bronze]

Thank you~

[urban knot]

anyone german player here who starts a new game

[unique cypress]

#1201555265942724758

[urban knot]

sorry

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[grave timber]

1st assembler on the left is rotor 2nd on is for stator and the 2 other assembler on the right side is connected to another assembler to make a motor. But I'm only making 4 motor per minute which im guessing is slow and bad but this was just a design I thought about since I need a factory for myself. Is there more space efficient and where I can create more motors per minute?

The area I'm planning on creating this factory is here

[grave timber]

I don't really know how to fully show this but I'm also using alternate recipes for simplicity. Pipes are made out of steel as well as screws

[vapid gorge]

use more resources

and machines

[grave timber]

I also just realized on the far left side I might need to add 1 or 2 constructor unless I wanna use tons of power shards

on the far left side constructor are for rods

[grave timber]

wdym exactly?

I'm still somewhat new to the game so bare with me

[vapid gorge]

" But I'm only making 4 motor per minute which im guessing is slow and bad"

nothing slow and bad about it if you've made the system to make 4 motors pm

if you need more you'll need more raw resources and machines

[grave timber]

is 4 motors pm pretty good then?

[vapid gorge]

if that's what you need?
it's a sand box game. Learn, play, do what you want 🙂

the milestones are basically just a well laid out tutorial for you to learn the basics

[jovial wyvern]

There's no real "good" or "bad" here. Think more like "does this meet my current needs?" Do you find yourself running out of motors often? If so, make more.

[grave timber]

I don't need the motors right now Im still in Phase 2 for the space elevator just completed all the tiers in the hub

So motors are not needed

[grave timber]

I see I see.

[sharp kettle]

first one is input secound one output

i keep goddamn overflowing and no i dont give a fuck bout spaghettii

even tho i should be at a net negative

unlesds they updated math and i didnt know

[vapid gorge]

are you trying to feed the waste water back into the fresh?

[sharp kettle]

yes

[vapid gorge]

ok, don't do that

especially with a mess of pipes like this

[sharp kettle]

Why? it literally told me to on the calculator

and i really dont have anything else to do with that water

[vapid gorge]

whici calculator?

show me

[vapid gorge]

that just shows you to reuse the water

[sharp kettle]

i tweaked it a bit so that might be a problem

[vapid gorge]

you don't have them merged

what did you tweak?

[grave timber]

Does the factory seem efficient and optimal though? Could I change something? Could I have a better layout? Any comments?

[sharp kettle]

i skiped quartz

added one more alu scrap and 2 alu water

[vapid gorge]

wdym 'skipped'?

[sharp kettle]

so i dont have to make silica

[vapid gorge]

so you're using a different recipe?

[sharp kettle]

No.

i just use multiple alumina solution refineries

6 to be exact with x2 on each

[vapid gorge]

ok but if you don't have the silica you can't make hte ingots

right?

[sharp kettle]

Im making them with alumina solution.

Silica is a byproduct of it

[vapid gorge]

ok but what are you doing with the extra solution you aren't turning into anything?

[sharp kettle]

im truingn it into scraps which go into a sink

[vapid gorge]

I mean I guess that's a choice

[dapper drum]

it's a choice

[sharp kettle]

and it clogged again

[vapid gorge]

so what you want to do:

make some of the solution refineries run only on fresh
some run only on waste

[vapid gorge]

blue is fresh
red is waste

[sharp kettle]

i should be making

or rather under making

240l/m water

ok

[vapid gorge]

figure out the total amount of water all the solution needs

minus the waste

= the refineries running on fresh

you'll need to clock them right

[sharp kettle]

its 180x6 so 1080

and im making 3x120 waste and 4x120 fresh

[vapid gorge]

how many belts of bauxite are you processing?

2 or 3 or something?

[sharp kettle]

?

[vapid gorge]

how much total bauxite are you processing to scrap

[sharp kettle]

620 i think wait

[vapid gorge]

I think yhou've done the math wrong

check your miner and see what it's outputing

[sharp kettle]

480 and 240

[vapid gorge]

do you have mk5 belts?

[sharp kettle]

mk4

so its perfect

[vapid gorge]

ok process them into two groups, it'll make your life much easier

[sharp kettle]

?

[vapid gorge]

make a plan for 480
make a plan for 240

[sharp kettle]

oh

[vapid gorge]

with each of those two groups, process their own waste water in their system.
don't merge them

it's not impossible to merge them but it's annoying even if you're experienced. Which you're not.

[sharp kettle]

im not merging

[vapid gorge]

With fluids especially, keeping them in small isolated sections is yoru best bet

[sharp kettle]

480 go into 4 and 240 into 2

but i think the water clog is ficed

[vapid gorge]

ok but are the fluids merging?

[sharp kettle]

i need to wait

[vapid gorge]

cause it sounds it

[sharp kettle]

nope im pretty sure its still climbing slowly

ok i think i got it

so im overproducing silica solution

then the first ones stop

and well thats were it goes to shit

id need to overclock the scrap ones

then sink the overflow

cuz i cant be bothered to make that more efficient

[vapid gorge]

personally it really looks like you need a complete rework of hte system, but gl with it

[sharp kettle]

idk man i usually place stuff and it works

and if it doesnt i pray

[grave timber]

Also I have a question. How do I do this?

I need a certain amount to go to a specific assembler per minute as u can see in the picture

[vapid gorge]

fluids don't work that way , especially when you're doing with byproducts

[vapid gorge]

exactly like you've done it

[sharp kettle]

jumpscare warning

[grave timber]

K I for real start laughing as soon as I saw that cuz wtf

[grave timber]

huh.

[sharp kettle]

i said jumpscare warning

[vapid gorge]

are those 2 machiens making the 60 parts per min the other 2 machines need?

[grave timber]

yes

[vapid gorge]

then it'll work fine

[grave timber]

I am making 60 rods pm

but how...

I dont get it

[vapid gorge]

how wouldn't it?

what happens when the first machine fills up since you're over feeding it?

[sharp kettle]

are there 720+ conveyors?

[vapid gorge]

mk5

[sharp kettle]

alr

then i will deal with that later

[grave timber]

Oh so thats just how it'll go ok ok

sorry I overcomplicated that in my head

[vapid gorge]

it's called an 'overflow manifold' , or just manifold

it relies on machiens filling up and overflowing 🙂

all you need is

1. enough parts per min for the system
2. a fast enough belt

[grave timber]

Yeah I have those as well I just dont know why that didnt go to my head properly

[vapid gorge]

it happens 🙂

[grave timber]

literally overcomplicated it to myself

sweet

[vapid gorge]

sometimes you fall down a void of your own make

[grave timber]

well any comments abt the whole factory itself here?

if I should change it or literally anything

[vapid gorge]

if it works, it works?
layout comes down to personal choice

[grave timber]

fair enough

[vapid gorge]

are you happen with it?
do you want it more compact? Less compact? using multiple floors'?

mostly these are all things you'll figure out as you play

My style changed a couple times fully

[grave timber]

I eventually might change to multiple floors but thats in the future

[vapid gorge]

fair 🙂

[grave timber]

I will say I might fail my chem test since I've been playing this game

It literally is addicting.

[vapid gorge]

oooh yeah I've been down that road. Study first. Game will always be here

[grave timber]

Ik ik

but

yeahhh ur right.

[vapid gorge]

And I'm not saying this because I'm a teacher 😛

[grave timber]

oh crap. what kind of teacher?

[vapid gorge]

general sci, but maths chem physics as needed.

[grave timber]

aw crap

any tips on these topics?

tips on how to study them or whatever?

[vapid gorge]

You got some good notes?

[grave timber]

more or less

[vapid gorge]

well if you're just trying to polish up, reviewing the questions given to you to study and any practicals would be good

[grave timber]

prolly could be better

[grave timber]

practicals?

never heard the term

[vapid gorge]

if you're having specific understanding issues - probably google definitions or find some youtube channels that cover it? that is if the books and work sheets given aren't helping

[vapid gorge]

maybe you call them labs?

[grave timber]

yeah

ok sweet

[grave timber]

pretty much what I was plan on doing

[vapid gorge]

yeah, lab work stuff usually have questions directly related to content youre expected to replicate on tests

sounds like you just need to log off and look at it then 😛

check if the teacher has posted extra work sheets on line or practice tests? each school/teacher does things a bit differently

[grave timber]

but.

[vapid gorge]

go. shoo.
the more you work now, the easier tertiary education is.
Even if you plan on never using any of this its good brain training

[grave timber]

yeah ur right I got a review from yesterday which summarize and has the same layout of what the test would have on wednesday but I literally have not touched it

[vapid gorge]

You have everything you need at your fingers! No excuses now 🙂

[grave timber]

but satisfactory is also good brain training 😉

[vapid gorge]

in some ways.
Yes. Good problem solving, spatial management, logic with trouble shooting.
But variety in recognizing different types of problems is extremely useful

Same thing I tell math students, even if you never ever use any of it later in life your brain will have been trained to look for important information and how to break it down

[grave timber]

Yes'sir

Thanks for the help and encouragement.

AND SORRY MODS IK THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO TALK ABT THIS STUFF JUST GOT OUT OF TOPIC A LITTLE!

[vapid gorge]

no stress 🙂 it's essentially my job and what I do anyway.
and the mods are fairly chill 🙂

[vapid gorge]

do the basic numbers

how much do 3x coal gens need
how much does 1x water extractor produce

[halcyon remnant]

ok

oh

[vapid gorge]

also do the same for the coal. You don't need 1 belt for each coal generator

[halcyon remnant]

i produce 300m3 water per minute and each coal thing needs 150m3 per minute

[vapid gorge]

you've also over clocked everything so who the hell knows what is going on.

don't bother over clocking your coal gens. It doesn't give you more power per coal

[halcyon remnant]

yeah everything is max overclocked

oh

[vapid gorge]

all it does is save you space.
if you over clock a miner? sure that will give you more ore. But otherwise, its just space

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

some beginner friendly coal set ups.

uses 1xmk2 belt of coal, 3 extractors

no over clocking needed. Build on foundations

[halcyon remnant]

is this a good way to make an organised factory?

(on the left is where my old spaghetti mess was)

[dusky bronze]

please use more foundations

[vapid gorge]

you can save a lot a space with your belt work? but nothing technically wrong with it

[dusky bronze]

and also you can place miners on foundations so long as they're not above ~2m above the node

[halcyon remnant]

oh

[vapid gorge]

eh, foundations under miners is totaly optional

[halcyon remnant]

ive sort it out so the conveyer belts carry exactly what the smelter makes and the crafter needs

i think

i set it up a while ago and stopped playing satisfactoy for a few months and came back today

smelter makes 40, 40/3x2 = 26.666 so its basically good

[vapid gorge]

@civic jewel keep your waste and fresh waters split like this

[civic jewel]

Ohh thats a much better way to do it. Thank you!

[vapid gorge]

just takes a little bit of math and clocking

I highly recommend you process bauxite in their own sections, don't mix up the pipes from other bauxite lines together. Makes it much harder

[civic jewel]

I only hage the 1 bauxite vein right now. Its pure but 1800m away from where I process it

I plan on grabbing 2-3 more soon though

[grave timber]

Producing 4 rotors, 5 stators and 4 motors. Total power consumption (in the future)

Doesn't produce much but it works 😄

[crimson moat]

@jolly summit

[jolly summit]

Interesting

[loud torrent]

you sweet sweet child

https://tenor.com/view/katori-shingo-hamasaki-ayumi-miseinen-jdrama-stroke-head-gif-22952278

[halcyon remnant]

Wha?

😭 😭 😭

[thorny shoal]

hey guys, would you say this bauxite and sulfur nodes are in belt distance? or should i go with trains?

ignore the factory in the middle lol

[vapid gorge]

I'd probably process the bauxite on location and move the sulfur with a drone or something? it's in an awkward spot.

but it really depends what you're trying to do

[thorny shoal]

batteries. i dont have drones set up because i have no batteries

[vapid gorge]

you can use fuel for drones

[thorny shoal]

yeah but then i need a fuel line

[unique cypress]

sounds easier than batteries

[vapid gorge]

you don't make fuel anywhere? if you do you can drone it in 😛

I'd probably pipe a bit of oil to the bauxite and maybe truck a sulfur node to you. You'd need some sort of fuel though

[thorny shoal]

unfortunately there are no spots with bauxite and sulfur near each other

but is it really worth it to add another fuel source just for this?

[unique cypress]

I would consider that "near" enough

[unique cypress]

I mean batteries aren't really used for anything other than drones. so if you use something else for drones, you can skip batteries entirely

[thorny shoal]

can't you use them with jetpack?

[unique cypress]

batteries? no lol

[thorny shoal]

ah alright

anyways i wanted batteries to power drones for the warehouse

thats why

i have a lot of time now, waiting for phase 4 elevator parts

[orchid brook]

what now?

[orchid brook]

https://youtu.be/cuSlYLebSAE?si=vzWtJ_uYQz8otZ7U
found my answer

[unique cypress]

I wonder how much of it is wrong

[orchid brook]

and i am already doing most of this stuff

I AM DONE WTF IS WRONG I GAVE IT ALMOST 5H TO START UP AND ITS NOT WORKING
i turend some of the fuel gens off at the start then watied for the last few to fill up and they did and after a while the emptyed again i tried rebuilding the fuel setup and that didnt work and i placed the HOR on the same lvl

wait that should be 400

wait should this be filling up ? that is the output

[orchid brook]

... i am peak stupid

i think i found the problem

is this correct looping

[crimson moat]

they're right nextdoor

[tulip fiber]

how many Radio Control Units / min i should make?

like 1 or more like 5 to 10

[unique cypress]

for personal use prolly more like 10

[steel knot]

for drone fuel, i only need one fuel source and then one fuel destination per item drone port, right? so i could do one drone for fuel source -> fuel receiving A, then another for fuel receiving A -> fuel receiving B etc?

as opposed to dedicated fuel supply ports for every factory

[upbeat summit]

dumb question- what happens if i have a pipe say carrying liq X and another carrying liq Y, and merge them

does the game push any 1 of those in the result pipe randomly or there is no liq at all ?

[mint coral]

in my experience you get a notification saying you can't build here. you cannot mix fluids.... something to that effect

[dusky bronze]

^^

[quick gorge]

@frosty owl lovely to hear and confirm sushi reactors can work!

[frosty owl]

Yeah, the idea really stuck with me, so I kinda ended up wanting to include it in my future plan 😅
( #screenshots message )

I just really like the idea of using one balancer to feed generators even if the different Fuels have vastly different throughputs (eg: in my plan, just "half" a Generator should be fed Ficsonium, yet it'll be split between ALL 16 generators; ie: each generator will run on Ficsonium 1/32 of the time)

[fringe seal]

well, well, well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions

the throughput between the two drone pads (circled) are so exact that adding the station (boxed) puts the throughput in the negative
and changing the fuel (turbo) to ion fuel puts it back in the positive

I had no idea that it would turned out to be like this, but the pair is literally the worst pair I could have chosen
the other 2 pairs deliver packaged turbofuel (< 100/min needed) and packaged nitric acid (200/min needed)
I need 525 sulfur/min

at this point, rotating the entire building in the scim editor is the least effortful way to fix this

why the drones have to hug the ground, if only they would beeline to the pad

[sonic jasper]

is there a way i can see my coordinates? specifically my y coordinate

[dusky dust]

I believe the ingame map shows you coordinates as you move the pointer around? Not super exact but might be enough

[unique cypress]

you can also use showdebug in the console

[wind spade]

isn't there some showFPS debug command that does that?

[dusky dust]

Otherwise the console command showdebug or show debug (I forget which, though it seems the former. :) will print an overlay which includes coordinates (though those will be in centimeters, I believe)

[wind spade]

nvm too slow

I'm getting old

[sonic jasper]

how do I open the console?

[dusky dust]

Default key on US keyboards is backtick/tilde (below Esc, to the left of the numbers)

[sonic jasper]

got it, ty all

[dusky dust]

Or rather, I seem to think that's the default regardless of keyboard, just that some non-US keyboards don't actually have the key -- I think in some regions you need to tweak an INI file to change the default

I've always been bothered at how that key's always called the "tilde" key even though backtick is more appropriate

[sonic jasper]

oh wait, now how do i close it?

[dusky dust]

Same key. :)

[sonic jasper]

when I press the tilde it just opens up the command promp

[dusky dust]

I think it's a three-cycle? Once for "short" console, once for full, (or maybe the other way around) and then once more to dismiss entirely?

(It's been awhile, apologies if I'm spouting nonsense)

[sonic jasper]

i see, idk it was a cycle

[vapid gorge]

doesn't seem to be? it's convoluted and has elevation changes within it

[vapid gorge]

this is not a particularly good vid

[wind spade]

yeah I haven't really seen any "good" SF videos in relation to fluids 😄

[vapid gorge]

mostly he seems to have spotted the fact that junctions on pipes can be wonky sometimes but seems to attribute it to having extra volume of liquid space to fill?

[fringe seal]

the thing that is wrong is the dev's philosophy about fluids
the only way currently is a mod, pipe tuner

[vapid gorge]

or you can just learn a few basics. And have reliable piping.

[fringe seal]

that is having to learn workarounds for a faulty system

[vapid gorge]

ah the ol' 'pipes don't work how I want them to work, so I'm mad now and gonna call them broken'. Classic

[fringe seal]

you can call me whatever, they are selling an incredibly obtuse and frustrating system as an interesting game mechanic

everyone has their share of pipeline nightmare stories, idk what to call that if it is not broken

[fringe seal]

almost as if they are expecting the players to walk into their trap.

[dusky dust]

To be fair, there are people who build 600/min systems and have them work just fine without running into those problems

Though I certainly wouldn't say no if some of the rough edges were smoothed over on the current system. I agree that to many folks it's a frustrating and obtuse situation

[vapid gorge]

using a few basic points of knowledge

[dusky dust]

I still don't quite know which way the most recent video troll will go. It's possible they've been working on stuff for 1.2!

[fringe seal]

I had a system lag seemingly solely from its length

[vapid gorge]

I expect they're just going to turn pipes into covered belts. They woudln't troll something like just fluid trucks

[dusky dust]

That was my original thought but honestly that would be an epic troll if it really just was the fluid trucks. :D

[vapid gorge]

I mean, I wish, but no.

[dusky dust]

And it was just the video thumbnail...

[unique cypress]

Like I say: just because it can be made to work doesn't mean it's a good system

[dusky dust]

But yeah, I'm still landing on that they have been working on stuff, so it'll be interesting to see what comes with 1.2

[fringe seal]

this is a game where a vibrant tropical paradise coexists with

I don't put it past them to troll us over and over

[dusky dust]

Of course the other way to "fix" most pipe problems is to just build your pipes with something like 590/min in mind instead

Even simpler than most of the other fixes we generally suggest. :)

[vapid gorge]

even 590s tend to need loops. And they'll suffer from everything else, like split elevations within the manifold

[dusky dust]

Anyway, I remain cautiously optimisticish about v1.2. We'll see! As I say, I don't actually mind the current pipes since I know how to work with 'em, but it'd be nice if players don't run into quite so many walls when pushing up the flow rates towards 600/min

I do hope they keep the essential pipeness about 'em, in re: turning-into-belts. I too don't want them to just turn into covered belts

Time will tell!

[vapid gorge]

they could turn them into power cables? 😛

[dusky dust]

Tractors Trucks

(and now we've looped back around to the video!)

[fringe seal]

pipe tuner already solves the pipes, no need to be sarcastic

[vapid gorge]

what are the essential pipeness things in your opinion?

[fringe seal]

no directionality, imo

[dusky dust]

Heh, I will dodge the question slightly because I admit I don't really have anything but vibes in mind. :D And also I've been putting off getting groceries, and I've gotta get over there before they close.

skitters off 🍻

[vapid gorge]

the one thing mcgal talked about was a setting in pipe tuner which sounded like it effectively stopped any possibility of back flow.

which, if while technically being bidirectional, but never do, just makes them belts right?

[fringe seal]

Why is there backflow, anyway? It is not like it is perfect elastic collision when two fluid masses collide

[fringe seal]

or ig why is backflow that strong

[frosty owl]

As far as I understand, fluids seem to act as if they're always under the effect of some sort of "agitator". Fluid never rests and always tries to move in some direction; some movements/oscillations get greatly amplified and this results in "visible" and non-intuitive sloshing

[knotty hornet]

It'd be cool if fluids had a viscosity that could dampen sloshing. Like, crude and HOR would be more viscous, water and fuel would be less.

But that's just another parameter that could cause more issues than it solves.

[opal temple]

Probably stupidly overkill for my first steel factory aye?

[knotty hornet]

Nah, that's solid. Though you could save some steel if you use Encased Industrial Pipe recipe instead, cuz pipes are cheaper than beams

[unique cypress]

Not even close to overkill lol

[knotty hornet]

Also, if you have a shitload of limestone, you could do molded recipes for both beams and pipes, and save even more steel

[opal temple]

That is already the plan

I do have 2 pure nodes next to 2 impure coal and 2 pure iron nodes

[knotty hornet]

The coal looks like the main limiter then.

[opal temple]

Only need like ~114/min

So the impure nodes will be fine

[knotty hornet]

I can't read, don't mind me

[opal temple]

Need mk2 miners though and mk3 belts to make this setup work though

So hand crafting the parts to do those milestones

Have yet to do a modular frame and rotor factory

[knotty hornet]

Yeah, or just start it with lower mark and have it run slow for a bit till it makes what you need.

[unique cypress]

they already do. it's just 1 for all fluids lol

[knotty hornet]

Modular frame factories are hella fun to make, taking it all the way up to PCCs and pasta

[knotty hornet]

I mean different viscosities 😒 😭

[opal temple]

Might do a factory that can do 10/min, 190 iron ore per min

[knotty hornet]

You using stitched plates or nah?

[opal temple]

Indeed

With ironwire

[knotty hornet]

Nice

Which frame recipe?

[opal temple]

Normal one

Dont have any more coal nodes near by to do the steel one

[knotty hornet]

I personally like the bolted recipes for both, cuz at this stage, beams aren't too hard to make and steel screws are cracked.

I don't really care about the extra cost, I save space on machines by getting double the rate.

[opal temple]

I've yet to get steel screws

[knotty hornet]

In good time

[opal temple]

Was actually looking at steeled rotor, to see if its worthwhile or not over normal or copper rotor

[knotty hornet]

It's nice cuz then motors are only pipes and wire.

And if you already have molded pipes, you can make those in abundance

[opal temple]

Hm, might need to find another iron/coal node close by somewhere then

[knotty hornet]

What zone are you in?

[opal temple]

Guess this area. it is a little bit away

I'm in the rocky desert

Current area im occupying

[knotty hornet]

Those coal nodes are pretty solid

[opal temple]

Doing the steel factory up there with the impure ones, cause might as well

[frosty owl]

@quick gorge BTW, feeding sushi to power generators might just be the "easiest" kind if sushi there is
The Generators are effectively the only machines that

1. Always run if they have Fuel + Water, without needing any sinking
2. Can process different kinds of items automatically changing the recipe

This implies that no matter what mix of Fuels one has on a belt, they don't need to bother unmixing it (or even balancing it) before feeding to a group of generators so long as the generators can consume all that Fuel, without worrying about clogs or adding Sinks...

[knotty hornet]

Plus, you could use that copper for regular wire recipe instead, better conversion and fewer machines required.

[opal temple]

This is true, I'm still getting used to things

Lots to learn and plan out

[knotty hornet]

Just need to bring in a separate resource, but that's hardly an issue since it's already there

[opal temple]

Wondering if its worth setting up tractors or not

Or just blade bhop around to them as needed

Could just upload shit to the depot

[knotty hornet]

They are pretty fun, and the upgrade to trucks makes them even better

All your belt-building mats and other criticals should be uploaded ASAP

Concrete, rods, sheets, etc.

[opal temple]

Once i have the steel factory online, i can pump out depots really

[knotty hornet]

Yerrrpp

[opal temple]

I'm a modded MC player, more specifically one of the hardest modpacks for MC. Gregtech new horizon. Saw the Digital storage mod the other day for SF. Looks hectic

Want to do at least 1 vanilla run before i add some mods in

[knotty hornet]

I just removed Refined Power from my save cuz eh

Most of the mods now are just architectural and QoL

Also, Grappling Hook

That is really nice for early game mobility.

[opal temple]

Yea, there is a number of QoL stuff i'd love

But am waiting for the second run

[knotty hornet]

Cartograph, for one

That way you don't need to use SCIM for showing maps of your factory

Infinite Zoop, for two

[unique cypress]

Have you actually checked that you save space? Because compared to steeled frame + stitched plate, I'm pretty sure you don't. The extra cost means extra machines for processing, you know? Just earlier in the chain

[knotty hornet]

I'm actually not sure, considering the resource chains I use because it is a smaller part of a larger factory, so I'm not really factoring in the machines that make the ingots, cuz they supply like 7 different buildings.

I just feed the building ingots and I get what I want

Cuz also, my PCC factory is aluminum-based, and i use the Instant Scrap recipe and the quartz purification/silica distillation, and the iron comes from leaching cuz it feed two other buildings, and and and...

Either way, i use so many refineries, optimizing for space is a fruitless endeavor

[opal temple]

This should be good over in that area to the east

[knotty hornet]

nice

although, you don't really need to keep stators, they are only used for making other parts

[opal temple]

Any cleaner way of doing this top row of belts?

[opal temple]

True, but could use them as sink parts?

[vapid gorge]

put a temporary floor of foundations, put belts on that

[opal temple]

Ohhh, good fucken idea. Obvious fucken answer as well

Much better, thanks

[unique cypress]

Match the heights

[vapid gorge]

heaps of times, the solution to a thing is to build other objects to line them up properly. Even if only temporarily

and tons of solutions to things seem really obvious afterwards xD

I didn't know about splitting fresh and waste byproduct water until someone showed me

[crimson moat]

They do (albeit underpowered). It could be different for different types yeah, but huge headache to manage each fluid type then and communicate the differences and management strats. Realistically it'd need a larger fluid rework with characteristics like friction being a lot more dominant (and pumps creating flow, to overcome it). I don't expect that, it would be very hard work for a game 😄

[opal temple]

How do you get converyors to go straight properly when it goes up a ramp?

Mine seem to dip in a bit

[vapid gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rTf_OKkt88

[opal temple]

Legend

[vapid gorge]

youtube has a lot of little tricks recorded

[opal temple]

Hm, not working. I'll look another time. Time to get off anyways

[crimson moat]

@jolly summit @minor silo

First part is max flight speed across megafactory. After 30s it's hands off.

this is with belt distance set to second lowest notch to preserve performance (items on belts over ~200m away aren't visible)

[jolly summit]

I see. I have the conveyor quality on ultra

[minor silo]

I'll try running CapFrameX

[jolly summit]

These are all my graphics settings

[minor silo]

That's flying around up and down "main base" the most cluttered area of the map

[crimson moat]

Can you set conveyer render distance to medium and frequency unlimited

and lumen off if you have it on

[minor silo]

Conveyor is Ultra, but I can set to Medium if you like

Freq is already Unlimited

[crimson moat]

I think Medium might be part of the issue. It massively raises FPS in general so it's actually a way better experience building stuff with that setting, but it might worsen that traversal stutter due to loading belts in and out more often.

sent you my file because it has way more stuff in it

[jolly summit]

Here's what mine looks like on this base

[jolly summit]

I guess you mean Zatie not me lol. Anyway that frametime grab was a 2 min ride in the train.

[crimson moat]

sent to you both 😄 and Zatie was able to repro traversal stutter

[minor silo]

Yep xD

Aeryn's factory is significantly larger than mine that's for sure

[crimson moat]

@opaque oak Pic here.

I move forward ~1km. Stop for a while, then turn around 180 degrees and move back ~1km. It stutters just as much on the way back.

you can see while it's stationary, performance is consistent. While moving, there are frequent stutters of moderate severity (equivelant to several frames missing)

[opaque oak]

And the point was that if you head back immediately, then for short distance there shouldn't be any of those if it is the level streaming.

[crimson moat]

The stutter starts within about 1 second of heading back, so that is immediately. The time where it's stable has no movement (just camera turn in the middle, hence the FPS change)

[native meteor]

does it stutters sumilar on empty map for you?

[crimson moat]

Nah, only with a lot of stuff. More stuff, worse stutters

It is a problem that you can't entirely avoid in game dev, only mitigate as best as possible

[native meteor]

well, try megafactory build being the client in network game - you'll see stutters for real )

[crimson moat]

it's not something that i really noticed a lot until i was doing that x3 (but on my scale it is present singleplayer, just worse with multi)

[summer flare]

I'd like to contribute to this concept. After your original post I made a 3 fuel coal generator setup. You do need to "balance" the inputs, in my case throughput rates so that compacted coal provided for half the time and coal and petroleum coke each for a quarter. The distribution also needs to be balanced otherwise you get an arbitrary mix to each generator, might be more than required, might be less - certainly when I didn't allow the programmable splitters to do a proper item distribution, I got a backup to one of the generators.

[loud torrent]

i dont know how impressive this is but i just made a 100% efficent turbo motor factory - first anything like this ive built :)

[wind spade]

I'm gonna be a bit nitpicky, but this factory can't ever be 100% efficient due to requiring repeating decimals

[loud torrent]

-_-

sad face emoji

[frosty owl]

It can be 100% efficient 99.9999% of the time

[loud torrent]

0.001% rounding window of efficency*

[frosty owl]

Eh, number is a bit random, but it can be calculated based on the error in rounding

[unique cypress]

The question is: can any factory run at exactly 100% uptime? Like how accurate is the engine? How good is it at keeping time?

[wind spade]

my definition is "assuming no bugs or lags or anything like that, the factory is theoretically 100% efficient"

otherwise there's tons of gray area when talking about it, which is hard to account for when building (and can potentially behave differently on different PCs)

[frosty owl]

Oh wow, I did not expect anyone to follow up on something that niche 😆

To clarify, by "balancing the inputs" I meant using a balancer instead of a manifold for the input of the generators. It is assumed that the items are provided in exact amounts/min already (either via balancing or clocking machines), matching what the generators (in total) take.
As you observed, if one doesn't balance the input the generators will get uneven amounts of fuel (eg: one may get all Coal, the other all Compacted Coal which burns slower), but once some generators back up, the whole system should balance out (in prior example: some Compacted Coal would trickle to the Generator getting only Coal, making both run at full efficiency).
After all, the total input in the system equals a set amount of (fuel) energy per second, matching exactly what the generators can consume: there is no room for items to back indefinetly

[frosty owl]

Imo, if it can run fine for anything >10k hours, it's practically 100% efficient

Nobody is gonna spend 10k hours in a single savefile is the thought behind that

[unique cypress]

Theoretically, if you type in 100/3 into the clock speed window, the result is exactly 33 1/3, not whatever the floating point representation of that is.

And, at least results of calculations seem to be stored without rounding, as just a float. Typing in 33.3333 and 100/3 gives different results when viewed via SCIM, despite both showing up as 33.3333 in the clock speed window, while typing in 33.333333333333 gives the same result as 33.3333. So it'd seem manual inputs are truncated to 4 decimal places, but results of calculations are not.

But I still don't know how the cycle time is calculated exactly, as that's probably the only thing that actually matters

[wind spade]

well computers mostly can't represent repeating decimals, I don't think there's a float representation of exactly 1/3, so it would still (in my head) count as not 100% efficient

[steel knot]

Oops fixed the image. Planning out drones after not using them to full efficiency on my first playthrough. Is this diagram the most efficient way to run a fuel route along supply/receiving ports?

And for fuel stations, n-1 drones where n = fuel stations

Maybe add a final drone connecting the last fuel stop with the first one? And in this example does the SC destination need its own fuel depot?

[loud torrent]

wait im just thinking about this and what do yo umean it cant be 100% efficent? just because its split continous varibles dosent mean that its not 100% efficent, factories make a finite amount of things that CANNOT be split so even if youre running split .999s then an equal amount will always be made OVER time amking it 100%

[wind spade]

100% efficiency is "machine running 100% of time"

If you have repeating decimals, the machine is either slightly overclocked (and will ocassionally stop) or slightly underclocked (and not make enough for next step)

[loud torrent]

i have several factories with split varibles running 100% of the time, can you send the factories that youre having trouble with? you must of done something wrong

like look at this

[wind spade]

OP has repeating decimals in number of machines

(And the ingame efficiency meter is unreliable)

[loud torrent]

no it aint 😭

why is it unreliable

[wind spade]

Because it's a running average over fixed period of time

[loud torrent]

and that means for it to be at 100% then there are NO delays

[wind spade]

So if the period is e.g. 5 minutes and the machine stops for a second every 10 minutes, the meter will be wrong half the time, claiming it's 100% efficiency

[loud torrent]

but then that would mean another meter would be showing 99% efficency somewhere in the factory right

[wind spade]

No

[loud torrent]

is there a mod that can confirm or deny this

[wind spade]

there's logic that can confirm this

[loud torrent]

unrelated but i FUCKING love the overflow / smart splitter

[wind spade]

imagine a single machine. It needs 100/min, but only gets 99.9999/min. Statistically, it has 99.9999% efficiency

logically, it will stop at some point, once in many minutes, for a second or so. When it stops, the efficiency of the machine is lower, because it didn't run. But because it stopped for a second, it will have much lower efficiency (depending on what the timeframe to measure efficiency is - f.e. if it's one minute, the efficiency will be 98.3333%, if it's 10 minutes it will be 99.8333%, etc.). But once the machine runs again, it can show 100% efficiency, because in the last X minutes it was always running

that's why the meter is unreliable, it only shows efficiency of past X seconds/minutes

(though there have also been some unconfirmed reports of it straight up giving wrong values, off by several %)

and for similar reason, the OP's factory can't be 100% efficient, because they have machines that need to be clocked to repeating decimals (which is impossible). So the machine needs to be slightly overclocked or slightly underclocked, which makes it either need too much (and be the case I mentioned above) or make too little (and the next machine doesn't get enough, again falling back to the previous case)

[frosty owl]

Actually, simple answer: yes, just always round up for outputs and sink overflows

[frosty owl]

BTW, have you observed the "unbalanced" system after a while? Seeing wether it stabilizes or not should confirm either of our hypothesis ^^
(You could use a normal splitter too)

[undone sedge]

Noob question, here: If the constructor calls for (2) of something as an input, at a rate of 20/min, does that actually mean 40/min, or is it disregarding the quantity of the input and listing the rate for the individual resource?

[wind spade]

it needs 2 per cycle, or 20 per minute

[undone sedge]

OK, so the rate is always per unit (i.e. ingot) even if the constructor shows a x2 for the ingot as input?

[unique cypress]

it takes 2 for something every 6 seconds. an average of 20 per minute

[undone sedge]

Thanks, now I don't have to tear down my factory, again

[wind spade]

you never have to 😉

[undone sedge]

I mean, at least for the next hour or so.

[upbeat summit]

huh? you can split a pipe full of water acc to it's origin source?

[deft lichen]

split as in keep separated

you have a group of machines consuming only fresh water and another group only consuming recycled water

[obsidian breach]

Will this train station setup work? Cant get my head around how to get the pathing right. I want multiple trains to be able to enter the yellow line and path their way to their station (green rectangles) which then act as blocks.

[unique cypress]

it'd be better if you put the cyan station above the yellow line. trains might try to drive through it if the path around it is longer

[obsidian breach]

thats what i figured. But should work otherwise right since the "detours" for each station is longer than the main line?

[unique cypress]

yeah, as long as the path through the station is longer, only trains that want to stop at it will go there

[summer flare]

I'm using 7 coal generators, just because that would mean 50/min compacted coal and supplying half the mix is 25/min.
A quarter of the mix using coal works out as 26.25/min and the remaining quarter of petroleum coke is 43.75/min.

The "load balanced" distribution just works.
The same coal/coke feeds to the same generators distributed as a "manifold" don't (screenshot before start of run). I've done two separate runs and the result is the same.
I don't do any "pre-fill" and because mixed items prevent the input buffers from completely filling, production seems to stabilise fairly quickly across all the generators.
However, after a short time (10-15 munutes) the feed to the last generator is visibly backing up at its splitter input and seems to increase as time goes on. The second to last generator also starts to idle intermittently.
Could be some maths involved here and the ratios I'm using, but I suspect that because the input is mixed there are variable consecutive amounts of the same item being feed to the generators and these are buffered immediately. If this less than the average, you get an "over" overflow with the excess ending up at the last generator. If it's more than the average then you get a reduced throughput upstream. This would typically affect the last two machines, but the last generator has the excess to use up so only the second to last generator is being starved.
I imagine if I waited long enough the backup would go all the way to the source outputs.

[deft lichen]

@obsidian breach train stations add a +100m penalty for trains not driving to that station, so assuming the track just goes right around the station, it shouldn't be a problem (at least I never ran into it without having to do precautions)

[deft lichen]

the manifold design is easily tileable, and the downside of prefilling is easily solved just by turning off 2 generators and letting it run for a while
not saying it's necessarily better, but just my philosophy of "balancers are seldom necessary"

[dawn beacon]

when i back everything up, then turn on my fuel generators, they work for a little bit. eventually, the last 4 generators on each side (the middle 8 of this screen shot) get suffocated from fuel. do i need to pump the fuel up into fluid containers then flow them down into the generator line or what is wrong here?

[wind spade]

usually it's recommended to do vertical loops

[dawn beacon]

hmm into the generators?

[dawn beacon]

like this?

woooooooow it auto filled the end

[summer flare]

This is a mixed item feed; coal, compacted coal and petroleum coke to all the coal generators. If any input buffer contains one type of them, any other type will be blocked at the input until all the buffer content is used, so turning off a generator in this situation isn't going to fill it.
As @frosty owl posted, this is something niche, and from earlier posts, testing the concept before applying the same idea to nuclear reactors with their different fuels.

[deft lichen]

ah, sorry, I wasn't following along

an interesting design problem to have

[crimson moat]

For that case i would definitely set up the belts to give an equal amount of each fuel to each generator (not just an equal amount of fuel items, and definitely not a manifold)

you can even put a buffer before the gen but shouldn't be neccesary

[viscid marsh]

That will work, but you could add more signals along the yellow to allow more trains on it at the same time. For example i might put a signal before every merge in this diagram.

[steel knot]

Is sloppy alumina to electrode scrap to pure aluminum ingot the way to go?

[vapid gorge]

It's a way.

[frosty owl]

The thing is: when the system doesn't have a balanced input (ie: manifold/sushifold or balancer without programmable splitters, same effect in this case), I'd expect some of the Generators to back up on some kinds on Fuel.
After they (and the belts between them and the splitters feeding them) are full, the overflow should go to other generators (which should be starving every now and then) and eventually balance out without backing up further than the first splitter/merger of the input system
I'll be running a test too (with 6 generators, just to make things visually simpler)

[crimson moat]

Pure ingot simplifies and makes it easier to build anywhere, but with exp i would centralise aluminum a bit (rather than having to build it 5 seperate times) and throw in cheap silica for yield.

[steel knot]

Yeah my first playthrough was the way I mentioned above. Might try to get more aluminum per bauxite this time around

[crimson moat]

There's plenty of bauxite, but adding cheap silica can be an easy yield multiplier

since there will be quartz and limestone between your bauxite nodes 😄

you can also mix at arbitrary ratios to just use whatever silica is easily available, and pure the rest. It's +33.33% improvement in scrap to ingot ratio while you have silica.

[vapid gorge]

well effort to output is always up to you

personally I'll never use all the aluminium from sloppy+electrode in any case.
and imo it's always easier to just bring in more bauxite instead of mountains of silica for a small output boost.

but everyone is different

[frosty owl]

@summer flare In the end I went for 8 Generators as that's the most "classic" number of Coal Generators to use 😅
I set the amounts of Fuels so that they had quite random numbers/proportions between one another. The Generators' input is a manifold with normal Splitters.

The result: it acts very similar to a normal manifold, but:

• Rather than having 2 machines at the end with no items backing up, only one machine will end up with no/few items backing up while all others should have a full belt of items behind them
• It takes MUCH LESS to fill most of the manifold compared to a single-item manifold as the machines don't need a full stack before items start backing up on belts
• It can take MUCH MORE to fill the very last two machines (my setup had yet to reach full equilibrium on this part, but I'm confident it would eventually as the input is just enough for all generators, no less) as the Splitter feeding them can end up giving a tiny bit more Fuel to one Generator than the other, leading to a very long time before one of the two has its input belt backing up completely... (one of the two just goes idle very rarely, the more rarely it does so, the longer it'll take for the system to fill up)

[fringe seal]

it's popular, for a reason (greatly simplifies the line)

[dusky dust]

Personally I end up using a variety of production chains for aluminum, over the course of a playthrough, depending on what happens to be convenient for the bauxite node(s) in question. If there is oil available, I do tend to use sloppy+electrode, but for me it's far from a requirement

Really just depends on what local nodes exist plus what kind of bauxite-to-ingot ratio I'm willing to live with, personally

[teal dust]

cant seem to find out why the fluid in these black pipes arent evenly distributing fuel, 4 of the pipes are coming from 2 refinerys that are producing 40 fuel each and i split the 2 pipes into 4 pipes and 2 pipes seem to be getting signifgantly less fuel/flow than the other 2 and i just CANNOT figure out why

the top 2 pipes are no worry because they are connected to something else

[vapid gorge]

Would need to see from overhead how you’re feeding them

Could also be a headlift issue

[teal dust]

they are being fed from the bottom also are connected to a tower

[teal dust]

attempted to fix it but the headflow stops at that segment and dont really know what the issue is😭

[tough glen]

Dont think pipe splitters split evenly period

[teal dust]

so I’m just at a lost cause then is what I’m hearing and I should produce more fuel to compensate

[unique cypress]

You never have to produce more than you're consuming

[little widget]

ohh i love when its working

[vapid gorge]

would need overhead images of how it's actually being fed to the machines

also why so low a flow in so many pipes? could you not have combined them?

[wind spade]

@somber crag ^ it's really up to you which one you pick. See e.g. #math-and-meta message

Also if you want to discuss things like this, don't post in channels where we can't reply

[teal dust]

as in into the generators? also mainly so many pipes cause i thought pipes split fluid into equal flows and ive never had an issue with flow rate until this point in the game so didnt account for running into something like this happening, i also figured out the issue ig curved pipes just kinda cause issue?? cause i switched to straight pipes instead with the same setup and it just kinda magically fixed itself

also the 6 pipes pipes coming from the fuel factory being 50% an aesthetic choice and 50% an assumption that it would just kinda work i guess😭^^ 2 of them also being completly seprete fuel pipes that are gonna be used for HOR into more fuel

[upbeat summit]

ohh that, yup, glad that i read about this in that fluids manual

[vapid gorge]

ah wait, were those all one pipe before and you split them up like that?

[oblique hollow]

An image from the fuel sources would help because 2 of those pipes straight up empty

And that problem definitely comes from the source

[teal dust]

Those 2 pipes aren’t being used yet those are separate

from the pipes I’m talkin abt

[oblique hollow]

I would put pumps near the sources because thats a safer way to read head lift

Rather than relying on the refinery 10m lift

which is practically invisible

[teal dust]

It’s 2 pipes split into 4 from a single line manifold

[vapid gorge]

yeah I'd just keep it one pipe in this instance, with no elevation changes or branches

[teal dust]

So just closer to where the fuel is being produced

[oblique hollow]

Yeah like right next to the producing machines

Not even any higher than ground level

[teal dust]

I’ll try both cause that also might just get rid of all the problems

[vapid gorge]

simple pipes are happy pipes

[oblique hollow]

Simpler networks are easier to troubleshoot

And if you keep networks seperate if its possible that also makes it simpler and easier

You can fix one and then focus on the next

[little widget]

was planning all of my 2th phase production i got 6 full mark 3 belts filled with the iron ingot (1620/m in total) so i was trying to distribute all of it and then i met my problem.. 240 usage for the iron rods and i didnt find any ways of fixing that so i thought maybe someone knows how i can distribute my iron in a better way?

[wind spade]

what's the problem?

[little widget]

iron rods are taking 240 instead of 270

[wind spade]

it says 270 on the plan?

[little widget]

i only use 240 when i need to use all of what i got with the peak efficiency

[wind spade]

oh I was looking at the other constructor with 270

[little widget]

so i somehow need to use either 270 or 540 i guess

[unique cypress]

Because that's how many you need for the reinforced plates and modular frames?

Like it's not gonna use more for no reason

[vapid gorge]

that's how much the next step needs? whats the issue?

[wind spade]

not sure what the problem is, if you need 240, feed it 240

[little widget]

yeah i was trying to make different usage but then its too much for 1 mark 3 belt but not enough for 2

[vapid gorge]

mk3 moves 270 though?

[unique cypress]

You know you don't need to fill belts, right?

A mk3 will carry 240 just as well as it carries 270

[little widget]

i know but i have 6 full mk3 belts

i want to use everything i got without wasting anything

[vapid gorge]

you're not...

[wind spade]

there's no waste, resources are infinite. Just underclock the miner and use the rest later

[little widget]

yes

[vapid gorge]

you're using a total of 1050 ore

what are you wasting?

[little widget]

its unfinished

i mean gimme a second

[vapid gorge]

in what way?

[unique cypress]

Shouldn't've made 6 full belts of ingots then

[little widget]

i already got this thing that is producing 1620 of the iron ingot per minute

and theres 6 mk3 belts as you can see

[vapid gorge]

wait, your numbers seem wrong, arey ou using any alts?

[little widget]

i need to distribute everything what i got so i produce as much as i can of such products as rotors frames etc

[wind spade]

you can just underclock it to produce what you need

[unique cypress]

That doesn't use even close to 6

[wind spade]

don't start with ores, start at final product and work backwards to how much ore you need for your project

[little widget]

yeah thats why its unfinished

[vapid gorge]

ah nm right numbers

[little widget]

didnt distribute all still but i saw a problem

that im consuming only 240 somewhere instead of 270

[unique cypress]

Then send that 30 somewhere else?

[vapid gorge]

... then make more? I guess? you're not wasting anythign if you're making what you want to

[little widget]

well i was thinking of that but thought that i can avoid that bc i already have my smelters ready

[little widget]

sounds good but where thats the problem

[unique cypress]

To the part that's not finished yet

[vapid gorge]

a sink for points? you're really creating a fake problem here

[little widget]

ehh... ill try to make new calculations with some new smelters i guess...

[vapid gorge]

so you want to use 1620 ingots pm?

[little widget]

thats a waste bc my little friends made me able to buy everything i need from the awesome shop

[little widget]

exactly

[vapid gorge]

here you could do something like this if you really want https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=0uf5cRjiba5nmk38O24F

[unique cypress]

Like if your goal is to use 6 full belts that doesn't mean you need 6 production lines that use a full belt each.

One of them can use .75 if you have another that can use that .25 extra that the other one didn't

[little widget]

well i mean this is quite problematic... i have 6 belts
reinforced iron plates use 3 belts - perfect
rotors use 1 belt - perfect
modelar frames use 1 belt and additional 180/m so i have 90/m that i cant use anywhere

[vapid gorge]

did you click on the link I shared?

[wind spade]

stop thinking about belts

think about items/min

[unique cypress]

Yeah, this isn't shapez XD

[deft lichen]

the only place where belts are a limiting factor are miner/extractor outputs

everywhere else, you can just use multiple belts and aren't limited by the throughput limits of a single belt

[unique cypress]

Well, and single machine input. But you can just replace them with several lower clocked ones

[little widget]

yeah but isnt it the same

[vapid gorge]

it uses all 1620 ore - what is the issue?

[little widget]

i mean how can i make it distribute everything for me

[deft lichen]

indeed, there is always a workaround, except for extractors

[vapid gorge]

you clock the machines

[little widget]

it uses 1530

[unique cypress]

A balancer XD

[frosty owl]

Hoping it's not too late to re-tackle the original issue: would it be acceptable to just increase the Rods production to 270/min and having an additional factory output of 30 Iron Rods/min?

[deft lichen]

distributing the parts is what YOU 🫵 have to solve lol

otherwise there's really no game

[deft lichen]

clock machines, use manifolds and balancers

[little widget]

no distribute the ore between the 3 products

[vapid gorge]

show me where the 1530 hurt you

[vapid gorge]

you could also use this, which also uses all 1620https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=FmWc8Hr8cI14WsAQy7GB

[unique cypress]

I'd do this instead of what cobalt sent https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=8xjqhXvAJTE8u0YMVkkj
Much easier numbers and slightly more useful amounts

[little widget]

now the resources per minute hurt me 🥀 looks like the only exit that i have is too make some completely new smelters and make new calculations

[vapid gorge]

yes you have a new plan, why are you surprised by this.

and decimals can't hurt you. They are something to get used to

[little widget]

so be it...

[little widget]

i better get some other problems than see THESE usages per minute in my calculations

i dont like how my smelters look anyway so ill build new ones

[vapid gorge]

just clock your machines as needed

[little widget]

[little widget]

i was saying that about this idea

[vapid gorge]

for example the screws here
mean you need 4781.3% clocking spread however you like

[little widget]

well thanks for that now i for sure know that theres only 1 way for me

[vapid gorge]

I mean, there's many ways to use those 1600 ore.

[unique cypress]

Infinitely many, even

[little widget]

many ways for people only one for me

[steel knot]

Try scaling these problems to smaller versions that involve 2-3 machines instead of entire factories and see how they work. You’re still learning how parts of the game work and it only gets more complex, so start with the simplest version of the problem possible

[frosty owl]

@little widget (In case you missed it)

[deep agate]

Not really used to actually paying attention to alternate recipes, I have 4 hardrives, the first is copper rotor or cast screws, what should I take?

[wind spade]

don't post in multiple channels, also see the message I replied with in #satisfactory

[deep agate]

I put it in here, because you referred me to here

[wind spade]

no, I linked a message that's in this channel. Click the link and it takes you there - the message answers your question

[vapid gorge]

it's a good general reply to 'what recipe to take'

There's no meta for this game. It's most dependent on your particular situation and personal preferences. So really up to you.

[storm wing]

This is my first time making a load balancer and it’s confusing as hell. I’ve 2x outputs of 40 and 4x outputs of 25 for a total of 180 P/M and I want to get it nicely into 6 belts of 30 each. Any tips?

[unique cypress]

depends what belts you have

I mean a 6:6 would be able to do it regardless, but it can be done simpler if you have fast enough belts

[pastel basin]

hi i am trying to make this. i wanna ask will my power plant be clogged and stop working if i provide more than the exact amount of fuel to convert into turbo fuel? who should i be worried about in this plan? any suggestions

[unique cypress]

if you sink the resin (or use it on something that doesn't clog), there isn't anything else here that can get clogged, unless you do something dumb with the canisters

[pastel basin]

canisters?

[unique cypress]

the ones involved in diluted packaged fuel

[pastel basin]

i am a new player and first time using fuel so i am a little troubled

[unique cypress]

if you put in too many into a loop, it can clog

[pastel basin]

how many should i put the number i need is 1575

1575 fuel per minutes

[unique cypress]

you should do loops that have 1 packager, 1 refinery and 1 unpackager, and usually ~20 canisters per such loop is fine

[pastel basin]

Ah i see what u mean because the number of refineries is the same as packager and unpackager

[rigid pewter]

where can i build this ? i already have the aluminum

[steel knot]

Z=300

[pastel basin]

Lets say i connect a mk1 pipe to a lot of machines mu the pipe is mk1 so only carry 300 but the machines are already filled with fluid and the place fluid comes from is also consistent with the demand if i wait a while to let the pipes and everything fill and then start everything will the pipes supply fluid to all the machines necessary?

[rigid pewter]

in theory if you dont use more than 300 you will be fine but in practice there is problems with pipes and fluids in general. i dont recommend using full pipes try to use less than 300

[pastel basin]

i see i see thats why next update is said to fix fluids lol!

[oblique hollow]

with a mk 1 pipe it should be fine because their velocity is so much lower

300/min is prefectly usable

the concern that 300/min doesnt work is - in all honesty - on shaky ground at best

in practice, what CAN mess it up is if you did some very questionable pipe jobs

things that can mess up even mk 1s are things that universally affect pipes badly, such as building a tower that fills floors from bottom to top.
Or feeding your machines with a pipe supply manifold from below (where each pipe connection goes up to a machine individually)

[jovial wyvern]

For your situation, merge one 40 and two 25 belts together for one belt of 90, then split three ways for three 30s. Do the same with the other 40 and 25s for another three.

[digital wing]

They dont feel like they change my production a lot

Are any of these worth taking

[unique cypress]

I'd want stitched plates and iron wire

maybe the inventory too

[knotty hornet]

All of them are good

[wind spade]

see #math-and-meta message

[undone sedge]

Does water behave differently than conveyers in terms of flow rate? I.E. does the flow rate equally divide itself between the number of outlets, or do I need to coordinate the splits in pipes to equally distribute flow rate downstream? Sorry if that doesn't make sense.

[wind spade]

yes, water behaves differently, kinda like real water

you never need to do equal splits, not with belts, not with pipes (and it's hard/impossible to do with pipes)

in pipes, fluid can flow in both directions, so you can't really say "it divides between outputs", because there's nothing like "output" 🙂

[undone sedge]

Wait, you don't have to with belts? It just equally divides the source output between the number of outlets?

[deft lichen]

if one machine needs 40 and another 60 and you split 50/50 between each

the machine consuming 40 will eventually become oversupplied, back up, and be unable to accept more than 40

meaning the 60 machine will start receiving 60

this is the idea behind manifolds

!wikisearch manifold

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[deft lichen]

pipeline junctions don't do even splits, they are neither splitters or mergers

[undone sedge]

Ugh, so I've been filling my factories with splitters trying to get the exact right number of ingots to each constructor for no reason at all.

[deft lichen]

you're not alone on this

balancers seem like the intuitive and correct solution

[wind spade]

well the one (and only) advantage your approach has is that the machines will run instantly at 100% capacity, while with the manifold approach, it may take a few minutes to fill the early machines so that enough material overflows to the later ones. But in the end they both work the same, just manifolds are way easier to build, though take a bit of time to warm up

[undone sedge]

I'm assuming this community has a meme with the Architect from the Matrix saying the bit about "We've destroyed the matrix "x" times; we've become exceedingly good at it?

replacing matrix with muh factory . . .

[deft lichen]

ever rebuilt a factory because it was offset?

once you finish the game (a couple times) you learn how to avoid having to rebuild

[wind spade]

step 1 is: stop rebuilding

[undone sedge]

My facilities are about to get a lot smaller, that's nice.

Thanks for the information

[fringe seal]

it seems like early game
cast screws are extra helpful then

[zenith sinew]

I'm always a sucker for the double manifold

[dawn beacon]

My ocd won’t let me stop rebuilding

[wind spade]

Build new instead

[digital wing]

where should i build my coal power if i started around grassy fields

i have the big power tower things so i can transfer the power quite a while

[dusky bronze]

to the northwest theres a big pit with a bunch of coal and water

its basically right in between the grassy fields and the cliffs towards the west

[digital wing]

this is the crater lake?

[dusky bronze]

crater lake is off to the east

this is pretty much just a pit with water and coal

[digital wing]

ah i see it now

ty ill scope it out

[dusky bronze]

one of the coal nodes will need explosives to get to but its not too much trouble

[digital wing]

i dont have those yet

[dusky bronze]

yeah you can come back and upgrade the power plant once you get them going

[digital wing]

all the sam nodes are so annoying

[dusky bronze]

theres one underneath the arch in that biome

[digital wing]

ive only found ones in caves which i need explosives

[dusky bronze]

just watch out for the spider

[digital wing]

the arch below that red circle?

[dusky bronze]

big arch that the moth flies under

bottom right of the biome

near where the coal and limestone and sulphur is on the map

[sacred zenith]

Halfway through my 15/m rocket propulsion system factory for tickets. I took a couple month hiatus so I’m slowly remembering where I left off and it’s so hard

[jaunty locust]

what's the best recipe to make non-fissile uranium? idk if I should prioritize the amount of uranium power plants or plutonium power plants. additional information, I don't need the ammount of power im going to be producing, I just want to make the most of my uranium

[vapid gorge]

decide how much power you want mostly.

Personally I don't bother with using p rods for power. Don't like permanent waste and ficsonium is dumb

if you're burning both, iirc, using the base plutonium recipes gets you more power?

[jaunty locust]

I'm probably sinking it and then if I feel like it I will expand it how knows

[vapid gorge]

just use the base recipes then

even just hte base recipes for uranium rods will get you tons of power

[jaunty locust]

on another note, is plutonium pellet worth doing or should I skip to instant plutonium cells

[vapid gorge]

again - if you're just trying to get lots of power with uranium rods, "just use the base recipes then"

[jaunty locust]

I was trully shock by this when I did my first power plant with 150 uranium

[vapid gorge]

the more p rods you make hte fewer u rods you make

[vapid gorge]

really depends what you're used to

full uranium rod production will get you 630gw iirc

[jaunty locust]

yeah but I assumed it doesn't matter since I only dealing with nuclear waste

[vapid gorge]

sure but if you're just sinking the p rods, base recipes are cheap and nice

and you can use them in trucks and drones

[jaunty locust]

they don't make plutonium waste if used as fuel or make the world radioactive?

[vapid gorge]

nope!

and from memory 1 p rod per min is worth about 250 batteries pm as drone fuel?

and it's tied for hte fastest flight speed

[unique cypress]

Fertile uranium is generally just bad. It does give you more Plutonium, but the extra power you get from burning it is less than the power than you would've gotten by making uranium rods out of the uranium it uses

[vapid gorge]

'bad' here depends on your goals and is subjective. If your goal is 'more plutonium rods' , it's great.

kyo tends to make subjective opinions sound objective. Which they are not

[jaunty locust]

not bad honestly, I thought I was going to have killer drones in my world if I used nuclear power for them

[daring thunder]

I realize this wont be useful for most people, but I made a calculator spreadsheet for phase 4 parts (and technically useable for parts below)

The reason most people wont find it useful is it only works with the specific recipes I chose to be most fitting for me. But if youre interested anyways, here it is.

https://1drv.ms/x/c/6DED5D5900B33F41/ETyYqkOsrdNBjzxXpDv5mjYBGyme_SSC25W1ubrazbcCyA?e=f1ZC3M

Also open to any opinions on why the recipes I chose might not be the best choioce.

[digital wing]

I built an 8 coal gen plant, but somehow its capacity is only 585 lmao

Anyone know why? The production lines in the power poles are completely flat

[unique cypress]

Underclocked one accidentally?

[digital wing]

I dont have that unlocked lol

Ive figured out that one just is not working

[vapid gorge]

oh they are still radioactive xD but won't make waste

[vapid gorge]

lacking water?

[unique cypress]

They're 75 MW each so 585 is impossible

[digital wing]

One isnt getting water

But i have no clue why lmao, the pipe just is not filling

[jaunty locust]

honestly look if the inputs are comming into the machines correctly, you don't know how many times my coal factories have been ruined for a missing or underlevel belt

[jaunty locust]

are they all connected to the same pipe?

[jaunty locust]

delightful

[digital wing]

Ok no i fixed it

The pipe junction was just being annoying

When do i get explosives?

[vapid gorge]

when you unlock them in the mam

[digital wing]

Oh i didn’t know they were mam

Which tree

[vapid gorge]

sulfur. The MAM building is yoru best friend and has all the goodies for you.

[digital wing]

Coal power was pretty chill ngl

Ppl made it seem like it was so hard lol

[vapid gorge]

a lot of peple have issues not reading the flow limit on pipes

[severe girder]

if you did a 100% clean nuclear does anyone know how much energy that nets? and the raw resource count it would take?

[vapid gorge]

just uranium rods? 600gw or so

[severe girder]

all of it, 100% clean

all the way down the line

[vapid gorge]

afaik you can't turn max plutonium waste into ficsonium

use a planning tool if you like

[severe girder]

how come?

[vapid gorge]

not enough resources

[severe girder]

what istn there enought of?

[vapid gorge]

SAM

[severe girder]

what do you need sam for?

[vapid gorge]

ficsonium

[severe girder]

for that you need waste and dark matter no?

[vapid gorge]

no, SAM is an ore you mine. It can be turned into darm matter residue

[severe girder]

you dont need to use sam tho

[vapid gorge]

feel free to try to figure out how to make ficsonium rods w/o SAM https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Ficsonium_Fuel_Rod

I wish you luck

[unique cypress]

You need it for Ficsite

[severe girder]

whats the best you can do?

[unique cypress]

Best what?

[severe girder]

for power

[vapid gorge]

use rocket fuel I guess. There's more material per power unit on the map for it

[severe girder]

also the trains got sorted :) it was game math error with mergers causing a bug or so

[quick gyro]

Does the flow rate statistic really matter. I just hit tier 3 and I’m trying to get coal generators working but I’m so confused by it all and nothing online seems to help that much

[vapid gorge]

mostly just pay attention to what is happening to your machines

most common newbie error is not looking at maximum flow rate of pipes

[vapid gorge]

more info and overhead images of your issue would be needed

[quick gyro]

I’m just confused because when I watch the flow rate of my pipes where I’m running 3 water extractors and 4 coal generators I know the maximum would be 300 but I see it fluctuate anywhere from 60-220

[vapid gorge]

ok but how much water are your 4 generators using pm?

you're trying to cram 360 water pm down a pipe that can only move 300 water pm, to a system that needs 180 water pm.

and you're expecting stable flow?

[quick gyro]

Not really I’m just wondering how this works and if I messed it up or super messed it up

[vapid gorge]

fluids work off average flows. Don't worry about it. Worry about if your system is working in a stable way

[quick gyro]

Ok thanks

[vapid gorge]

also work out the actual numbers you need. At least for your power systems. You don't want to crash your world

[dense frigate]

There it is, why am i loosing my energy in nothing? As everything is turned off

[dusky bronze]

did you run out of fuel briefly?

[dense frigate]

Oh no, i just tried to turn off generator and turn them back on

Why?

[dusky bronze]

your power grid only shuts down if you consume more than you produce and thats either because you built too much or your generators ran out of fuel

turning them off will also crash the grid, but it should be fixed by just turning them back on again

[dense frigate]

Yeah, but why am i consuming 1,2MW for nothing?

[dusky bronze]

i think its probably the hub

iirc it has a power consumption somewhere around that mark

[unique cypress]

Machines doing nothing consume 0.1 MW each

[vapid gorge]

so you realised you can't move 600 down 1 mk1 pipe right?

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[uneven void]

yh js now

[vapid gorge]

some convenient beginner layouts

[uneven void]

thx

[vapid gorge]

also, remove the buffers.

they don't help and can cause issues

[uneven void]

alr bet

[vapid gorge]

do the math on how much each gen needs too. I can't see how many you got but 600 is proably way over what you need

[uneven void]

i got 6 gens rn

[vapid gorge]

6x45 is?

[uneven void]

yh tbh i js though maybe if i add more water pumps then that will fix it

didint pay attention to the pipe thing

first time working w them

[vapid gorge]

no stress. Just get used to doing basic maths at least for your power systems. If that goes down everything falls over
if a factory is less than 100%... not a huge deal when you're going up the tiers

[uneven void]

bet thx im bout to go revamp this thing

[vapid gorge]

the examples of generators in the diagram uses 8 gens because 120 coal pm is just 1xmk2 belt and it needs exactly 3x water extractors

my advice is just keep making groups of those. Simple and reliable

no stres 🙂 also build on foundations if you're not 🙂

[uneven void]

i am dw

[uneven void]

sadly dont got mk 2 yet

[vapid gorge]

if you've unlocked coal power you should have mk2 belts

[uneven void]

oh belt nvm i thought u ment miners

im dumb

didnt see 1xmk2 BELT

[vapid gorge]

a good tip is over clock miners if you have access to it. It's very useful

[uneven void]

alr i ll try

thxs again alot

[uneven void]

so technicly if i have 2 pipes with 2 and a half water pumps and 6 gen would it work on both side

[vapid gorge]

well 6x gens need 6x45 water pm, 270. You could do that in 1 pipe if you want

[uneven void]

i ment 2 pipes for 6 gens on 2 sides

like this but with more

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah sure but then you could just do 2 groups instead

in genera with fluids, keep systems as simple as possible

and don't link up more machines than you need to

[uneven void]

alr js cus technicly this would "max" out the pipe

and use the full value i think

if im not dumb

[vapid gorge]

you would still only be using 270 on each pipe in your situation

so not 'maxing out' anything

[uneven void]

yh but i cant js add one more

[vapid gorge]

1 more what?

[uneven void]

coal gen

[vapid gorge]

I mean you could under clock and add another? '

[uneven void]

i forgot thats a thing

[vapid gorge]

but you seem to need some basic practice with things

that's why 3 extractors to 8 generators keeps it simple 🙂

don't have to mess with different number coal or water or sections

[uneven void]

i managed to make it work

took a bit of time

acc so satisfying when smt works

[dusky bronze]

One might say …

… satisfactory even

[olive orchid]

both pretty good, which one?

[unique cypress]

I'd never want more screws

And iron pipe is pretty useful if you don't care about the high iron cost. It pairs well with steeled frame and steel rotor

[olive orchid]

true

went with that

[light zodiac]

iron pipe def.

[wind spade]

As with all recipes, the choice is yours, depending on your preferencea. Every recipe could be good in some scenario.

And as for screws, don't trust the hate, they are fine 🙂

[olive orchid]

yh nah ik been playing for years, just both are alright choices, but pipes was better

[wind spade]

I mean that's up to you to decide, don't need to ask us 🙂

[olive orchid]

Yh nah was just seeing what people have gone with and their thoughts, get ideas from others yk 😅👍

[deft lichen]

screw hate is a skill issue, screw avoidance is a rational choice

[wind spade]

Screw avoidance is fine if it has reasons that aren't "don't want screws"

[viscid marsh]

I'd rescan

[olive orchid]

went with iron pipes, saves me coal for mk 3 and mk 4 belts

[wind spade]

there's more than enough coal on the map 🙂

[upbeat summit]

ref light up like this when i am a certain distance away from then (no power given rn), any reason or just a cool thing they do

also, forgot about this, and did the same loading setup for unloading as well, should i change, or it could be ignored?

[wind spade]

The setup wants to be on both sides

[vocal gust]

On a serious note though, why do people despise screws? I mean, I'm not absolutely clueless because I recently started playing again (shortly played during 0.3) and I noticed an absurd amount requirement for screws during the early game. Does this issue become way worse down the line in later phases?

[upbeat summit]

like for unloading the buffer was suposed to be connected to the lower op right?, i connected it to the upper one 😅

[unique cypress]

I avoid them because with a single exception of copper rotor, I think all the other recipes that use screws are just complete dogshit

[wind spade]

Multiple possible reasons:

• they were really bad in U2 and before (no longer valid)
• people try to put them on single belt, ultimately fail, and blame screws instead of their choices
• people see other people say screws are bad, and they repeat it without thinking
• people optimise for certain properties, which makes some recipes bad (though then they do not hate screws, so also not valid answer I guess)

[dawn beacon]

I enjoy limiting as many materials from supply chains as possible is why I like not playing with screws lol

[wind spade]

No, upper one is fine

[upbeat summit]

phew, thanks

[vocal gust]

Makes sense. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten much luck with alternate recipes, I've still been using the standard recipes and haven't found cast screws either. 💔

Screws alone made me redesign my iron factory thrice because I was already trying to expand into a more expandable format. Also because my design skill is dogshit and I didn't account for how many stackable conveyor poles I'd need.

[wind spade]

Generally I'd recommend not thinking about expandability, just build what you need now and in future build new factories instead of expanding existing ones

[steel knot]

Is there an easy rule of thumb to plan out gentle curves aside from trial and error? I’m using the beam method (X foundations away and 1m over)

The curve itself is easy but I don’t want to get half way through and realize X should have been 6 foundations and not 4

[cosmic zinc]

what setup and recipes do you use for tier 5 and 6

[unique cypress]

something along those lines:
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=S1InJTJEtNf4Bk3S1G7D
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=CdXuzPpsijsfeTQCDATB
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Ji77kaDTWW2YpdmABbne
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Q6TZCbl4cucmeOfWHOvZ

[hot hound]

Only a few hours in, but building a factory line is more confusing then I originally thought. All this is just to get Iron Bars, Rods and Screws. Haven’t even started Copper or Limestone.

[opaque relic]

It wont be any harder -trust me- :small_smirk:

[shy kindle]

Just started with a friend on console and ran into a small but annoying problem with overclocking:

If I type in a specific amount (in this case 99,5/min) it Sets the machine to 99 instead of 99,5

If you try select in the normal menue, values after the comma are possible.

Any fix for that or is it a Bug?

Never had that on PC

[unique cypress]

it might not accept a comma as a decimal. try a dot

[shy kindle]

You only have this slider on console for some reason... if I accept this, it will just turn to 99

[unique cypress]

did you drag the slider to 99.5 or did you type it in with an OSK or something?

[sonic jasper]

you dont need pipeline pumps for nitrogen/gas right?

[summer flare]

I've retested with the same number of generators and fuel rates, but with a setup similar to yours: pipes out of the way and 8m of belt to the generator inputs, just in case the lifts were masking anything - they were.
Because a fuel type other than the one already in the buffer is blocked until the buffer becomes empty, there will be a build up of items at the input and requires the input belt to act as an external buffer.
In my case with fuel types/inputs being load balanced, I saw at most 3 items. So I was lucky with the original setup using lifts because they hold 3 - any less and there would have been the risk of the programmable splitter with a lift on the output overflowing to an alternate output.
I retested the manifold setup and everything centres around the last two generators. Even allowing an 8 item build up was not sufficient to stop a generator from idling so I increased to a 12m belt. The issue is the fuel types are not being balanced and appear to be "random", but you will get a line with a slow burning majority that will cause a build up and another with a fast burning majority that will decrease it. Pretty much every time a line of consecutive petroleum coke would form guaranteed the generator would run out of fuel and idle. This obviously creates a larger build up to negate the effect when this happens again. However, even with a maximum 12 item build up being seen to both generators was not sufficient to prevent one of them from idling 30 minutes after the start.

YMMV with different numbers but I think I'll stick to the load balancing.

[shy kindle]

You can only use the slider. There is no option to type in the amount

[sonic jasper]

I have a line of 780 iron ore, I need to split this into 2 lines. Line A needs to carry 180 ore/min. Line B needs to carry 600 ore/min. Would this set up work given I fill the belts before I start the consumer/smelters?

[wind spade]

if line A needs 180, I assume there's machine that consumes 180? if that's the case, you can just use a single splitter with two outputs and it will self-balance

[sonic jasper]

line a goes a manifold of 4 foundries

[wind spade]

yeah that's the same thing

the "manifold" works the same as it would here - it self-balances

[sonic jasper]

So instead of using different tiers of belts, on that first splitter in the image, just have 2 mk5s and then just let it self balance? and also is there any negative for what I have right now compared to the system u mentioned?

[wind spade]

well negative is that you have to plan it and build it. The system I recommended will take a bit of time to spin up (same as the manifold), but then work the same

[sonic jasper]

alright cool. I already have everything built, im just putting the raw inputs where they need to go

[digital wing]

Is there a good resource on making a turbo fuel factory?

Mainly interested in which alt recipes to take other than heavy oil residue

[vapid gorge]

depends what recipes you want and what you're trying to do

first pick , base, turbo heavy, or blend

they're all very different

[digital wing]

I just want to not have to worry about power for a v long time

I dont mind making plastic and rubber factories separately

[vapid gorge]

you can do that with any of them

[digital wing]

Yeah but what makes the most power?

I assume turbo

[vapid gorge]

per what? turbo heavy uses less steps but uses more oil

base pads oil out with both coal and sulfur to make power

Blend only uses sulfur so simplifies it but uses more oil per unit

[vapid gorge]

like every recipe choice in the game there is not meta. You have to clearly define what your standards and needs are

For instance I dislike bringing in coal for turbo fuel, so I'll just pick a spot with oil and sulfur and make it there

[digital wing]

Ideally it uses as few types of resources as possible, but the quantity of the resource it uses isnt a big deal

[vapid gorge]

diluted fuel then

huge amounts of power, just oil and water

[digital wing]

Whats the difference between that and turbo fuel

[vapid gorge]

Every further step of fuel

fuel > turbo > rocket > ion , is just padding out the base oil with other resources.
You're effectively just converting coal and sulfur to more oil, since you can just make more diluted fuel with more oil

[vapid gorge]

diluted fuel only uses oil and water. It doesn't use sulfur and coal to convert to more oil

essentially you have to decide whether bringing in coal and sulfur to make extra steps is worth it compared to just setting up another diluted fuel power station somewhere on the spot where the oil already is.

because basically all oil is right next to water

so you can just plop that stuff down wherever

[floral mica]

I think turbo fuel in a website or the modeler seems good, but in-game isn't all it's cracked up to be

The power bonus is great, but it uses coal and sulfur, and while coal is no problem to get your hands on, sulfur is a pretty rare resource.

[vapid gorge]

you convert sulfur and possibly coal to more oil. It does what it says on the tin

[floral mica]

I'm just saying it's way easier to pump more oil into diluted fuel.

[vapid gorge]

and if you like that trade off that's good for you 🙂

things aren't just about added resource. It's about how you like to move things, where you like to build and what ever you're value on resources are at that moment are

[floral mica]

Maybe you're right actually

[vapid gorge]

I mean diluted fuel can get you to the end of phase 5 easily

[floral mica]

I think my issue is that I see all these YouTubers doing full map/all resources builds and so I like to plan as if I'll eventually be using everything.

[vapid gorge]

its basically why there's no 'meta' for the game.
and those youtubers aren't going to use everything either. Their computers would catch fire first

[floral mica]

I've never beaten the game there's no way in hell I'm using all the oil

[vapid gorge]

even using 1/2 would be a huge toll on the best computers

[floral mica]

And my computer barely runs the game phase one :/

[vapid gorge]

yeah. at that point maybe consider at most about 1/4. Maybe less

create personal projects after phase 5 more about design than size

[floral mica]

I think if I do all resources projects it'll be uranium and bauxite

[vapid gorge]

certainly a choie. Though full nuclear doesn't use nearly all the sulfur on the map

and just full uranium rods can get you 630GW which is more than you'll ever need 🙂

[floral mica]

I misspoke whoops

I meant a bauxite-aluminum plant and uranium

[floral mica]

And so ficsonium can go to hell

[vapid gorge]

yeah, I'm not a fan. I figure it's for fools who couldn't stop themselves from burning plutonium nad bitched about the waste

[floral mica]

I'll sink plutonium thank you very much

[vapid gorge]

use them in drones and trucks 😄

[floral mica]

I think ficsonium is for small power plants that people want to maximize

[floral mica]

That's a good call

[vapid gorge]

ficsonium has a very low power output for the work involved

it's still power positive, but not by much

[floral mica]

Not by nearly enough

[steel knot]

what's causing my train to stop at the station for 2 seconds and not unload the liquid on the platform set to receive liquid. it just moves on without attempting an unload

[vapid gorge]

make sure the platforms are set properly?

[vapid gorge]

I wish it was power negative honestly 😛

[floral mica]

Well thanks for chatting, I think I'll focus more on just making items when I need them instead of planning for when I need more, and wish me luck with uranium when I get there

[floral mica]

That way it would at least be clearly a joke

This way it just seems dumb for the most part

[vapid gorge]

no sweat!
I'd treat all the teirs as a tutorial, do what you need and learn 🙂

and if it was power negative it'd be the price of not having waste

an extra power cost to have plutnonium rods. Not the worst thing

[floral mica]

Is it still a really bad power addition if you look at burning plutonium?

I feel like people look at ficsonium as allowing them to burn plutonium so they might look at it as gaining power from plutonium, instead of wasting time on ficsonium

[vapid gorge]

I mean you could jsut suck it up and store the plu waste. It produces much less and wouldn't take long to buidl a facility that would store 10,000 hrs of waste

[floral mica]

Not to mention takes twice as many pressure conversion cubes as just plutonium

And that's before everything else

[obtuse vortex]

Having trouble remembering: to do a priority junction feeding waste water back into the source, do you want the waste water pipe lower than the freshwater pipe or higher

[vapid gorge]

look up the pipe manual pinned in this channel
they aren't a very reliable solution though

[obtuse vortex]

Ah! I was trying to search by "priority junction" or something like that before. I'll check it out. Thanks very much!

[vapid gorge]

they are also an exploit and css has pointed out they are doing a big pipe rework so it's unclear if they'll cmpletely break rather than just be partially broken

[wind spade]

@surreal river see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[frosty owl]

That sounds very close to what I've observed, including the last part where the system seem to take "extremely long" to have the last 2 generators settle (I think it's like when trying to wait for a manifold feeding 29.9/min and 30.1/min to machines needing 30/min: takes soooooo long...). I assume that this will eventually lead to a stable system with all belts from splitters to generators being full (main manifold belt probably still free-flowing without any backups) as there is just no way for the Generators to burn more Fuel than what they are being provided.
Anyway, thank you very much for taking the time to test. It's fantastic to have someone to confirm/disprove these hypothesis with ^^

Final note: through this last iteration, I had a thought that could still lead to an interesting solution... Balancing just the last 2 generators! This would lead to a feeding system looking just like a manifold, but with one programmable splitter at the end. Most generators would work as we've already observed, but as the overflow is split evenly between the last 2 machines they should be running at 100% as soon as they start getting overflow items
That would probably make for the "quickest manifold" there is, right after "balancefolds" (where machine inputs match belt speed)

[frosty owl]

If the train really did dock, but doing nothing, then the station should have been either full (no need to try unload if completely full already) or set incorrectly (eg: "load" instead of "unload")

[orchid brook]

will this work?

[wind spade]

is it or me or is the video not working?

for me it's just a still image

[frosty owl]

You problem

[orchid brook]

its like 3mins so let it load

[wind spade]

well that's the thing - it is loaded

[orchid brook]

if it cant work then i am byond coocked cuz this is my 3 rebuild