math-and-meta

[wooden crow]

you can make multiple saves

[umbral barn]

no you can have multiple saves

[quick gorge]

I honestly should delete some

[umbral barn]

this isnt animal crossing

[wheat sorrel]

Oh then I’ll make another one then

[dawn crater]

ermm actuclly ADA will teach

🤓

[quick gorge]

Mod request, make the lizard doggo make animal crossing talky sounds

[umbral barn]

Shut

[dawn crater]

no

[quick gorge]

ACKTUALLY Hannah will teach you

[umbral barn]

make the lizard doggo isabelle lmao

[umbral barn]

WHO IS HANNAH?

[dawn crater]

mod request make lizzard doggo irl

[quick gorge]

This tbh.
Actually mod animal cross to turn Isabelle into a lizard doggo.

[quick gorge]

Ive seen an actual dog with lizard doggo armour... does that count?

[umbral barn]

make the pioneer villager and ficsit tom nook 🤣

[quick gorge]

Our lord and savour...who wrote everything

[dawn crater]

no

[quick gorge]

We're on to something here lads

[dawn crater]

it was still a dog

[umbral barn]

wait if we have animal crossing in satisfactory... DOES THAT MEAN WE COULD GET PIONEER AS A PLAYABLE CHARACTER IN SUPER SMASH BROS? XD

LEMME COOK LEMME COOK

[quick gorge]

The finger on the moneky's paw cerls
Wish granted.

Sadly it has always been true and much like the dodo was too stupid to defend itself and were eaten to extinction

[umbral barn]

tbf the lizard doggo is so fucking dopey

[quick gorge]

Ultimate involves ADA being Snarky

[umbral barn]

final smash exploit you build a factory that makes fighters to fight for you

[umbral barn]

ada is always snarky tho...

[quick gorge]

Hannah is the writter of the game and also the person who handcrafted most of the map.
She is the world builder and the world builder

[quick gorge]

Exactly

[umbral barn]

ohhhhh

im gonna blow up the world

:D

[quick gorge]

She did that already

[umbral barn]

hey! :(

[quick gorge]

... #story-spoilers is escaping containment

[umbral barn]

lemme put the planet into nuclear winter

[quick gorge]

We.. did that already

[umbral barn]

LEMME DO IT AGAIN

[quick gorge]

Look north off the edge of the map from the dunes. There's a hole

[umbral barn]

there is?

you mean where the terrain drops? ;w;

[quick gorge]

[umbral barn]

look i have the iq of an ape TwT

[quick gorge]

Average Pioneer according to ADA

[umbral barn]

i assume this is the hole?-

[quick gorge]

Yeah. If you get enough height you can see the scale of the fucking thing

[umbral barn]

speaking of.. the desert feels oddly.. fake compared to the rest of the world...

and why does the swamp feel like its straight out of a horror movie...

[quick gorge]

Due to your FICSIT contract.
Stop thinking

[umbral barn]

wait a minute it is isnt it...

[quick gorge]

Reframe from using your brain and get back to work Saving the Day

[umbral barn]

its breaching containment...

[quick gorge]

So anyway Golden factory cart delivering Ficsonium to my reactors for the funnies

[umbral barn]

what if i deliever it by hand

im curious is there satisfactory challenge runs?

[quick gorge]

Plenty

[umbral barn]

such as?

[quick gorge]

No clocking/sloops
No alts recipes (aka alpha gameplay)
The lazy bastard achievement from factorio by doing as few handcrafted as physically possible.

[muted tide]

Which chain of recipes leads to the most amount of rocket fuel? (input resources not required, just looking for which chain of recipes is the best)

[smoky bison]

anyone know how many batteries per minute are required to run 3 drones across the map?

[deft lichen]

in the ballpark of 30-60/min

[smoky bison]

Thanks

[brisk urchin]

first heavy oil residue then diluted fuel (not packaged diluted fuel) and at last nitro rocket fuel

you get 3000 rocket fuel per minute from only 720 crude oil per minute

[jade geode]

Tier 3 Conveyors are making my dream modular frame factory possible (Can't wait to unlock!!)

[tropic hawk]

im curious, why specifically not DPF? I thought that it was the same rate as DF, just required a bit more complexity

[unique cypress]

Idk either. They have the same inputs and outputs, DPF is just slightly more annoying

And even that isn't a very significant difference because just can just blueprint it

[tropic hawk]

like im not saying it doesn't have merit, im just curious on exactly what they are planning

[unique cypress]

Like I'd never choose DPF over DF if I have both, but if you have DPF and a good blueprint, there are better things to spend a drive on than DF

[vast coral]

So if I have a line of smart splitters like this to help organize things.
any undefined (Not the thing going to the left) will go straight. If at any point things back up, they will go to the right?

That is how any undefined works correct?

[tropic hawk]

the defined will go to overflow I believe, but I am not certain as I have not tested that kind of set up

[vast coral]

that is better then? Because if my iron ingots thing is full, it instantly sends it to overflow

I was concerned like something way down the line backing up, and now items that are suppose to get splitted off sooner would be sunk before reaching their storage

[tropic hawk]

another way to handle it that would work for certain is to have another splitter after the iron belt exit on that one, with one path out of it set to any, and another set to overflow, which will ensure that the iron overflow will be handled

[brisk urchin]

i use DF because it doesnt realy make a diffrence and it doesnt involve packaging

[tropic hawk]

understandable. just wanted to ask because i believe the DPF method is cheaper on power, and available earlier in game, so some people prefer that method despite it being a bit more complex

[amber umbra]

I’m also in the camp of preferring DF. DPF feels “cludgy” as it came from a time before blenders.

[brisk urchin]

is there a diffrence on how much m³ per minute it makes?

im not sure i didnt check

[tropic hawk]

per building yes, but overall HOR in : DF out, no

[brisk urchin]

so wich one makes more per minute

[tropic hawk]

blenders are just much more expensive in terms of power vs refineries and packagers

[tropic hawk]

at base clock? one moment

[amber umbra]

The actual comparison metrics is power and space required. Per machine isn’t that relevant as you can build multiple machines. I guess “sloop/shard” efficiency is technically a metric also.

[brisk urchin]

still, i wana know

[tropic hawk]

Refinery: 60 DPF/min (72 fuel/MWh)

• 20 MW (pkg.)
• 30 MW (ref)
  Blender: 100 DF/min (80 Fuel/MWh)
• Power: 75 MW

@brisk urchin @amber umbra interestingly enough, when comparing the MWh production, blenders are more power efficient. which would mean that DPF only beats DF in terms of construction costs

[tropic hawk]

I guess “sloop/shard” efficiency is technically a metric also.
DF still beats out DPF in that regard

[wind spade]

why do you use MWh over MJ? 🤔 MJ is way easier to calculate with

[amber umbra]

MWh nice

DF blender superiority confirmed. I approve of this. Makes sense broadly in a “higher tech improves things” way.

[delicate horizon]

How many mw can a coal powered generator produce?

195 right?

[brisk urchin]

usualy u keep them at 100% clock speed

so optimal is 75

[delicate horizon]

75 mw?

[brisk urchin]

yeah

but it shows you that in the building menu

[delicate horizon]

Thank you

I need 3 to power my factory as is

[dusky dust]

A fully overclocked coal gen would give you 187.5 MW, so your 195 was close. :)

For ease of building folks generally just keep them at 100% though

[silent hawk]

150% is what i do personally

[bronze seal]

not sure if you'd be interested
but there is a programm on steam that is basically a planner the way you have drawn it

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/

[brisk urchin]

the worst moment when building a factory

😭

[wheat sorrel]

how many coal generators can i pour with 120cm3 of water extractor? and how much max with overclocking

[crimson moat]

2.667

if you underclock them to 88.88% then 3 (which consumes 40 coal)

[brisk urchin]

that is beautifull

[wheat sorrel]

its better to overclock water exctractor tho than underclock isnt it

i dont have slugs atm any

[crimson moat]

you could, overclocking takes power shards and underclocking doesn't so it's more accessible and spammable.

[oblique hollow]

it uses more power

if you have the space for it in your lake or pond, just use more extractors and underclock them

[wheat sorrel]

cant rlly

[oblique hollow]

that place sucks for coal power

terrible choice

[wheat sorrel]

ofc its terrible its temporary

[oblique hollow]

theres a bigger pond

[wheat sorrel]

im just starting off

[oblique hollow]

that can fit at least 6

you have it on your map just belt the coal there and ditch that pathetic puddle please 😭

[wheat sorrel]

i dont like being told where to place what in my world, i just wanted to know about underclocking and overclocking wether which more worth it -.-

[oblique hollow]

well. for THIS specific case, overclocking would be your goto option

because you wont get much more water from this any other way

[wheat sorrel]

okay alr

[oblique hollow]

the max amount of generators you could run from this is 6.6666

[wheat sorrel]

6 from a pond? how

[oblique hollow]

overclocking

[wheat sorrel]

200m3 is max holding

[crimson moat]

1 oc'd extractor = 300/min water

[oblique hollow]

a max oc extractor makes 300/min

[crimson moat]

capacity is not relevant

[oblique hollow]

200 is just the tank size

tank size is not the same as extraction rate

the extraction rate is the orange number to your left

[wheat sorrel]

ohh alr so ill be fine then with 6

Only if i overclock max right

[oblique hollow]

ye

without, its 2.666 as aeryn said

[wheat sorrel]

how about 150%

[oblique hollow]

4 generators

[wheat sorrel]

alr thank you

[brisk urchin]

why does this not require pumps

thats well over 10 meters isnt it

[oblique hollow]

gas

[brisk urchin]

oh

[oblique hollow]

rocket fuel is a gas

[brisk urchin]

dam im not smart

[oblique hollow]

if you see 2 colors in a pipe, its a gas

[brisk urchin]

anyways, good 170GW added to the network

[oblique hollow]

if its a single solid color: liquid

[brisk urchin]

yeye i already knew about the rocket fuel being g ass, just completely forgot to include it in my thinking

[oblique hollow]

happens sometimes

[wheat sorrel]

how many coal generators can i power each with mk2 belt

[tawny chasm]

mk2 belt is 120/min, a coal generator requires 15 coal/min (it shows this in game, in the interface)

so 120/15

[wheat sorrel]

ty couldnt find it in game xD

[tawny chasm]

all buildings in game tell you these numbers, so you can always work it out 🙂

[wheat sorrel]

may i ask where exactly for future

[tawny chasm]

icr off the top of my head, just interact with the building in game and look 🙂

it's somewhere on screen!

[wheat sorrel]

Okie alr! ty ❤️

[tawny chasm]

yw 🙂

[wheat sorrel]

idk if im blind, i know other shows like mk1 miner

[unique cypress]

coal gens (and other gens) can take different types of fuel

[fast zodiac]

you need to put coal in it to see

[unique cypress]

there's a button showing how fast each one burns

[wheat sorrel]

ah okay

[fast zodiac]

it's like that for all generators that can take multiples fuels

additionally you can just look up the generator in question on the wiki and have the ressource consumption for all accepted fuel types

[wheat sorrel]

is this ok set up
300m2 of water
120 items/minute
for 6 coal gen

[meager grove]

flowing down, that's nice

[wheat sorrel]

ty

[meager grove]

is it just 6 gens?

[wheat sorrel]

yea for 1 extractor 250% overclocked

[meager grove]

270m3/min?

[meager grove]

you need less coal then

are you sure there's enough headlift?

that looks like it just about reaches the limit of a water extractor

[wheat sorrel]

ofc i mean it says 18/20

[meager grove]

it's not making 20m of headlift though?

a water extractor only produces 10m

[wheat sorrel]

its 18.8m/20m headlift

[meager grove]

huh. I can't see the pump

where'd you hide it? /gen

[meager grove]

OH right there at the start lol

[wheat sorrel]

XD

[meager grove]

that's neat

[wheat sorrel]

ty haha ❤️

[meager grove]

anyway, yeah that should work fine, though you're gonna produce too much coal

6 generators only take 90" coal

[wheat sorrel]

i dont mind tho its pure coal

idk what else to use it for since i only just unlocked coal

[meager grove]

you could add 2 more generators, but then you'd need another extractor and pipe, since that'd be too much water for one mk1 pipe

do you have space for another... 2 water extractors?

[wheat sorrel]

i tried like million times fit 2 in that pond

but it only want 1 :((

[meager grove]

oof

[wheat sorrel]

it should be okay tho

[meager grove]

then 6 is all you'll get, sadly

[wheat sorrel]

6 is pretty good

[meager grove]

I recommend looking for a spot with more water, and at possibility coal

and then making a bigger setup over there

450MW is nice but it won't save your power grid

[wheat sorrel]

theeres 2 spots

[meager grove]

wow, that is... not a lot of water

[wheat sorrel]

4 coals in same distance but i chose close one

[meager grove]

you could try setting up at blue crater but

from what I've heard (not personal experience)

[wheat sorrel]

I dont know where that is

[fluid vector]

up north from where you are there is a big lake next to some coal

[meager grove]

building there will be a challenge

due to verticality

[wheat sorrel]

mark it for me

[wheat sorrel]

oo yeah i see

i might go for that or this

[fluid vector]

both those are great spots

[wheat sorrel]

Ofc 🤗

[meager grove]

doesn't blue craters have a ton of verticality?

[wheat sorrel]

yay got some starter coal inf running now so i can start up other coals without worrying

[wheat sorrel]

im not sure

[fluid vector]

Yeah but you can build right on the water to avoid that

since there's so much space

[wheat sorrel]

there is a lot of choice for me

tbh i prefer if i had too much coal than too less for the pure coal spot

[meager grove]

also, I know this looks tempting, but don't even try to build here unless you want to build a TOWER there

[brisk urchin]

my 2 coal generators are jsut sitting there

[jade geode]

Thank you! This program looks very neat, and has received a lot of love from the community by the looks of it.

Personally I enjoy drawing my factory setups manually right now as I can fit them on one page, store them in a folder I can reference too in future events, and can go more in depth with the splitter and merger setups.

But I think for later game factories this tool would save me a lot of hassle, so much appreciated!

[brisk urchin]

producing power only because its free, otherwise they are a waste of space now

[jade geode]

Out of interest how effective are TOWER's? I read their in-game descriptions and from what I gathered it's a pole with greater range.. but do correct me if I'm wrong. How decent is the range however? Is it like the equivelent distance of 5 max poles or less

[meager grove]

not the kind of power I meant, but eh, still important

power towers are really nice to use, double the distance of a normal powerpole but also SIGNIFICANTLY above ground

so it makes ziplining really easy

[jade geode]

Do they support ziplines? And is their crafting as simple

[meager grove]

especially the tower with platforms

[jade geode]

Ohh nice!

[meager grove]

I mean, they need steel beams

and some concrete and iron rods, I think?

but they don't take quickwire to my knowledge

[jade geode]

Understood, so it's for after you've comfortably transitioned into the foundry tier

[meager grove]

wow, almost exactly on the money

[meager grove]

it's something you'd upgrade your network with and use looking forward into the future after setting up the first bits and bobs of steel, I'd say

[jade geode]

Thank you! I've started in the dessert this time, because it's the only place I haven't yet. But so far it looks quite abundant, especially with 2 pure iron nodes local to spawn, and 4 coal zones. (sadly 2 were impure, but the other 2 were normal)

I really like the long stretches of sand, it makes building alot easier without foilage in the way

[brisk urchin]

i only made one world in my 200h gameplay and i started in the desert, was kinda fun early game! felt a litle isolated to green biomes

was completely unexpected that there are even some green biomes in the game lol

[jade geode]

True! I was so glad when I unlocked coal power, because I was running out of trees and dreading having to travel further for biomass!!

[brisk urchin]

yeah bimas was weird early game for me

ran 2000 meters just to pick up 2000 leaves

[jade geode]

I got very lazy with biomass, I made a little setup to convert leaves and wood into the log fuel form for me, and take a fraction of its produce to power itself, I went crazy with the chainsaw but deforested the only close green area...

[jade geode]

haha, I don't miss this, but it's how I learnt about the crouch tactic which makes you travel faster

[brisk urchin]

yeah chainsaw.... i was sort of forced to play mods instandly because of my friends server and one adds a mega chainsaw

wich basicaly fills yor inventory with leaves no matter what

[meager grove]

...meanwhile, having started in the northern forest and wanting to move all my solid biofuel to a liquid biofuel processing thing, I ended up producing, uh... 3 and a half trucks worth.

[jade geode]

I haven't unlocked the truck yet... but I take it that is ALOT! Wow, I can see the appeal in early game energy for starting in forest abundance zones

[meager grove]

very.

[brisk urchin]

never used trucks or tracktors

lol

[jade geode]

Ohh, I didn't know you could mod this game. I've been playing vanilla then, but I've never finished the game due to interruption, this time I aim to achieve that long lost goal.

[brisk urchin]

its alkso my first time playing

and im at phase 5 now

[small swallow]

I started in the northern forest too. Lots of trees. Not enough Beryl Nuts.

[jade geode]

Mods on first time ?

Sorry, I find that a bit odd, I always like to complete a game normally before modding, but ig theres no rule that says otherwise

[brisk urchin]

i didnt realy have a choice lol

[meager grove]

ah yes

[brisk urchin]

my friends wanted me to play the game so they bought it for me and "demanded" to isntall their mods

[meager grove]

forced modiazation

[bronze seal]

my pleasure, happy to point people to the tools I've been recommended!

[small swallow]

Also, is this the channel where I can ask for help if I'm a bit stuck on trying to make a 100% efficient factory?

[jade geode]

Oh, I see. Well given they brought it for you, it only seems fair to play it with them, but as @meager grove said, forced modiazation, it's truly tragic!

[jade geode]

I believe so yes

[brisk urchin]

real! lol

[meager grove]

forced modiazation can be fun

depends on the mods though

[jade geode]

Anything with friends is fun to be honest

[brisk urchin]

on it

[meager grove]

I don't think somebody should have refined power or god forbid SF+ in their first ever playthrough

[jade geode]

Dare I ask what these are...

[meager grove]

and I say that as someone who has played with both

refined power adds lots of renewable energy sources, as well as modular power and fusion reactors

[jade geode]

Arachnophobia 😭

[meager grove]

that's it?

[brisk urchin]

ye

[meager grove]

that's. rather bland for a modded experience honestly

most you got is a few mods adding new building toys

[brisk urchin]

dam that mod looks kida good ngl

[jade geode]

Woah, does power become a real issue in the normal late game then...?

[brisk urchin]

eeh

just takes some time to build a new grid

[meager grove]

that's it, nothing that changes gameplay (besides like. arachnophobia)

[brisk urchin]

leme show you my new one

[meager grove]

modular power is a tradeoff when compared to normal powerplants

[jade geode]

I got jumpscared by 5 spiders, but it was worth the yellow slug 😔 🙏

[meager grove]

that makes the process multi-stage, and ALWAYS requires water to boil, but (at least for coal) gives double the energy produced per unit per minute, and allows for a closed loop system where water is recycled instead of continually generated and sent into the atmosphere

[brisk urchin]

gotta get ther first

[meager grove]

SF+ meanwhile...

[small swallow]

I'm running some mods while I'm on my first playthrough. Mostly just some stuff for movement, UI, a pair of rebalance mods I found, and Taj's graphical overhaul for even more optimized visuals, so I can get a smooth 30 fps on my potato of a laptop.

[meager grove]

[brisk urchin]

there it is

[meager grove]

it's an overhaul of the entire game.

[jade geode]

I like to do the fling trick where you stack them

[meager grove]

ironically enough, I only got worse FPS with taj's...

[brisk urchin]

just built it

[small swallow]

I have mostly everything off. With only a few things enabled that I found improved my framerate.

[jade geode]

Very nice!

[brisk urchin]

in the last 17h or so

💀 lol

the most time consuming was suprisingly placing the fuel generators

[meager grove]

meanwhile I've been slaving away at the bulleid coal powerplant for literal days...

[brisk urchin]

lmao how much generators

[meager grove]

#design-and-architecture message

[jade geode]

I feel like your the most educated here so I have 2 questions for you if it's okay.

1 - Is it best to save power slugs before converting into power shards, because I can't remember entirely but I heard something about theres a more efficient way to make power shards later game or something...?

2 - Do larger platforms in this game exist, because I must have had a fever dream or something but I distinctively recall there being like larger versions of platforms, like baseplates, but I can't find them in the Awesome Shop.

Thank you :)

[meager grove]

48 sets of heater, boiler, turbine and generator.

[meager grove]

I am NOT the most educated lmao just the one that's available

[brisk urchin]

ok not that much, i was with like 25

[meager grove]

power shards can be doubled during conversion from slug to shard if you research production amplification in the alien technology tech tree

[jade geode]

Then your the most educated person I've encountered so far here :)

[meager grove]

using somersloops in any machine (the amount needed to double depends on the machine) will increase the amount of items it produces without increasing the amount of items it consumes up to 2x

[jade geode]

WAIT WHAT

Is this a joke?

[meager grove]

warning, for each somersloop you put in a machine, the power consumption of that machine increases quadruple

and it KEEPS MULTIPLYING for each consecutive sloop

[brisk urchin]

no

[jade geode]

So I could like just stick it at the end of my factory line to get double of the maximum product??

[small swallow]

Ahhhh. There's the catch.

[brisk urchin]

it just uses up 4x -ish more power

[meager grove]

per loop

[brisk urchin]

one single machine

[jade geode]

You can put more than one in a machine?

[meager grove]

so it's 16x the power if you shove it into say, a refinery, to double its output

[meager grove]

depends on the machine

[brisk urchin]

so imagine if you sloop a maching that uses 1000 MW at base, overclock it to 250

[meager grove]

smelters and constructors (iirc) only take one

refineries and assemblers take two

[brisk urchin]

yeah assembler requires 4

[meager grove]

mixers and manufacturers and quantum encoders take up to four

2, not 4

[jade geode]

Oh okay I understand now, and the one in refineries is for each individual output?

[meager grove]

no, it's in steps

[jade geode]

oh, they are 2 step machines?

[meager grove]

the amount of somersloops determines the amount of steps from 1x production to 2x production

in 1 somersloop machines, it goes to 2x directly

[jade geode]

So is putting a sloop in a miner the equivelent of 2 power shards in a miner

[meager grove]

in 2 somersloop machines, it's 1,5x with one sloop and 2x with two

aaand you get the point

[meager grove]

miners can't be slooped

[brisk urchin]

miners excluded

[meager grove]

neither can water extractors

nor fracking machines

[jade geode]

This is crazy, you've like changed the whole game for me

[brisk urchin]

yeah just machines that make stuff with stuff

[meager grove]

particle accelerators can be slooped though!

[small swallow]

Makes sense. They don't have an input, right?

[brisk urchin]

not the actual source of the stuff

[meager grove]

in that case, go find SAM

that's the ore you need to do research in the alien technology tree

[brisk urchin]

and mercers spheres

[jade geode]

Ohh I see

[brisk urchin]

mercers spheres are so yummy

i luv collecting them

[jade geode]

So I need to hunt down some SAM

[brisk urchin]

its an ore yes

[meager grove]

please don't eat the localizes contained black holes

[wheat sorrel]

how do i eat this or is there anything else i could eat

[brisk urchin]

somewhat rare

[brisk urchin]

no eating

[meager grove]

this isn't food

[brisk urchin]

but healing medication possible

[wheat sorrel]

😭

[brisk urchin]

research in mam

[wheat sorrel]

im not skilld enough

[jade geode]

You can flush it in the toilet if it helps

[brisk urchin]

then get skill

[meager grove]

health-restoring consumables are beryl nuts, the berries (forgot their name) and agora(?) shrooms

[brisk urchin]

awesome sink is better

good points

[meager grove]

also medical inhalers but that comes way later, but can be produced with some protein!

[brisk urchin]

bacon shrooms

[meager grove]

do NOT flush protein down the toilet

[wheat sorrel]

also how the hell i get rid of this rock

[brisk urchin]

bacon agaric

[meager grove]

convert them to DNA and throw them into the awesome sink

[brisk urchin]

explosives

u need sulfur

[meager grove]

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

[brisk urchin]

good example

[wheat sorrel]

is it easy to make for noobie?

[meager grove]

get black powder (sulfur + coal) and steel pipes (iron + coal) to make nobelisks

[jade geode]

Btw do larger foundations exist, like ones that are the size of 3x3

[brisk urchin]

only for that purpose, yes

[meager grove]

oh, and obv unlock nobelisks in the sulfur tech tree

[brisk urchin]

in mass, no

[wheat sorrel]

i dont have steel yet @spb@

[brisk urchin]

nope

[meager grove]

nope! gotta zoop for that

[wheat sorrel]

😭

[brisk urchin]

yep thats bad

[jade geode]

Awww, I think they should add larger ones

[wheat sorrel]

is there any creature that i can lure to it?

or is nobelisk only way

[brisk urchin]

no creatures do not deal damage to suroundings

[small swallow]

So onto my actual question. I just unlocked Cast Screws from a hard drive. But I noticed that the recipe requires 12.5 ingots per minute. Obviously, I can't feed .5 ingots into the constructor. So, should I give cast screw constructors 12 or 13 ingots per minute?

[jade geode]

I like your thinking though

[wheat sorrel]

Oof

[brisk urchin]

you can actualy

[wheat sorrel]

how-

[brisk urchin]

just set the target output to 12.5

[brisk urchin]

not you sorry

[small swallow]

How do I do that?

[meager grove]

instead of doing that, multiply the amount of minutes

[brisk urchin]

just type it in

[meager grove]

you need 12,5" iron ingots

[jade geode]

Most of the times you have multiple screw outputs, so I would just feed 25 ingots into 2

[meager grove]

so, for 2 minutes, you need 25 iron ingots

alternatively, split 25" iron ingots for two cast screw constructors

the items per minute value is an arbitrary 'x items per x time', not a concrete rule to follow

[jade geode]

I haven't found a single hard drive yet, I should probably get exploring more

[meager grove]

you can multiply the two to find out the real ratio of things as you wish

[small swallow]

Well shoot. My conveyor belt splitting shenanigans are about to get a whole lot more complicated.

[jade geode]

Me when I have to split into 5 machines :(

Equally....

[meager grove]

from 1?

[jade geode]

Sadly

[brisk urchin]

dont be scared

you'll get there

[jade geode]

I used the chain method, but I dont like it tbh

Means you have to wait a while to reach max efficiency

[meager grove]

split into 6 (1 to 2 to 3 (each)), send 5 to their respective machines, route the last into a merger sitting before the first split

[brisk urchin]

you can also use manifolds

[meager grove]

that's manifolds

[jade geode]

Is that what I've drawn

[brisk urchin]

they dont spilt the stuff instantly to all

[meager grove]

input above, not below

[jade geode]

Wait, lemme understand this

[brisk urchin]

no its like a row of spliters

[jade geode]

I thought I did that in the drawing?

[brisk urchin]

they first split half of all the items to the first machine, and the other half to the rest

[meager grove]

put a merger before the first splitter, split one belt into two, split each of those into three, send one of six to first merger, send five to machines

[brisk urchin]

you basicaly rely on overfill

[brisk urchin]

not everywhere

[small swallow]

I actually use manifolds myself. It takes a while to warm up... unless you prime all your machines first. In which case, you're running at max speed the moment you hit the go button.

[brisk urchin]

yeah

[jade geode]

oh gosh

This is genius

[brisk urchin]

it has a litle bit of boot up time but its way more space eficient

[jade geode]

If it's into 3 or 2 I split equally, I hate relying on overfill for time efficiency matters

[brisk urchin]

yeah try manifolds

[small swallow]

Can't you get rid of the boot up time if you just fill all your machines with the stuff they use before you turn them on?

[jade geode]

But wow, this is like mind blowing, I've never had this perspective before

[brisk urchin]

exactly

normaly you let the belt do that on its own

so boot up time

[jade geode]

Does make any prime number possible?

[brisk urchin]

u can basicaly make any number if you jsut send the one belt you dont need back into itselfe

[jade geode]

As long as all the splitters are split equally at the end, I think that's the key principle

[brisk urchin]

or just manifolds...

bu yeah sometimes manifolds dont work so i understand

[jade geode]

I was looking for an improvement

[jade geode]

My main issue is

Manifolds can cause issue with conveyor speed demand

Well

If you use 1 long manifold

[brisk urchin]

then use 2 seperate manifolds and supply them via a spliter

so from 2 belts into 2 manifolds

[jade geode]

I was thinking that, but say you have 2 outputs and 7 machine inputs, you cant handle both inputs on 1 conveyor, I can't think of a way 2 manifolds would work nicely unless you merged the 4th splitters for each to go to the 4th input

Ah it'd still work then, you'd just have to merge the 4th splitter in each manifold to supply the middle input

[brisk urchin]

and the 2 outputs exede your belt?

[jade geode]

It assumed your belt can only carry 1 output

[brisk urchin]

ah

[jade geode]

But yeah I think this would make it work

[brisk urchin]

can you give me an example on where you would need that, cant think of one

never encountered such a spliting problem lol

[jade geode]

It was this, but I've drew the solution I think would work, with still using 2 manifolds

[brisk urchin]

yeah thatll work

[jade geode]

Yeahhh

[jade geode]

Do you have a hub btw, where you send all your resources

[brisk urchin]

not completely

i once made one for mid game, it needs an refreshment of machines lol

not even encased steel beams

[wheat sorrel]

what does this do and how do i get the middle ingredient

[fluid vector]

Powershards allow for overclocking your machines

[wheat sorrel]

the upgrade

[fluid vector]

This would unlock making unlimited amounts of them, instead of needing slugs

The middle ingredient however is very late game, like tier 8

[wheat sorrel]

whaaa

is there an easier way to get it or not

[tidal gazelle]

no

[silent hawk]

Just find the slug area with a billion slugs

[wheat sorrel]

slug are pain to get 😭

[tidal gazelle]

there are mods to craft slugs

only way

[wheat sorrel]

doing it without mods

[fluid vector]

you don't need many powershards anyways

[tidal gazelle]

have fun with slugs then lol

[silent hawk]

I only get a few for my coal power

[fluid vector]

would recommend using them on miners/extractors only to 2.5x your resources from them

[wheat sorrel]

im planning to do that with the coal mines 🙂

[silent hawk]

Or the miner on a normal node

So it produces enougn as a pure node to fuel the coal gens

[wheat sorrel]

EWWW WHAT IS THAT

[fluid vector]

Spidow

[wheat sorrel]

i died to it, i got so scared 😭

[fluid vector]

I hate em they come out of nowhere

[wheat sorrel]

i fear spiders irl so that thing for me is a demon shaped spider

[fluid vector]

settings > arachnophobia mode on

[deft lichen]

there's arachnophobia mode

it does NOT make them less scary however

[wheat sorrel]

🥲

[fluid vector]

me when I'm afraid of kittens

[wheat sorrel]

im a bit traumised bit too late to say 😭

[south dew]

guys i have 8 iron nodes next to my base and 2 copper nodes 100m away😭

[deft lichen]

the static sprites are horiffying

[wheat sorrel]

the worst part about this game is the freaking slugs being in the most ridiculous places ever guarded by a million tanked shaped flies and some giant beast

[fluid vector]

You need a gun

[wheat sorrel]

early game pain

[fluid vector]

pew pew ez

[wheat sorrel]

how do i obtain such weapon or bow

[fluid vector]

alien organisms tree in mam for the rebar gun which is good enough

[wheat sorrel]

😶

wish i need how find that

[fluid vector]

the research station thing

[wheat sorrel]

ill try do it another time xd

[fluid vector]

under special buildings

[wheat sorrel]

okay real serious thing now

i got 3 coal miners that do each 120 per item, i have inf water source lake, how many water extractors do i need without overclocking them too much for power efficiency (or maybe dont have to overclock). how many coal gens could i place up i think 24?

[tawny chasm]

gonna have to get Socratic with you, sorry

you're right about number of coal miners

as for how many water extractors, you need to calculate how much water they need and how much the extractor(s) produce

[wheat sorrel]

uhm

[tawny chasm]

overclocking water extractors is fine iif you want but often you have plenty of space for water extractors and it's not thatm uch hassle. Save your slugs for miners

how much does a water extractor produce per minute?

[wheat sorrel]

120M

[tawny chasm]

how much water does a coal gen consume per minute?

[wheat sorrel]

50 i think not sure

[tawny chasm]

you screenshotted it earlier

[wheat sorrel]

45

[tawny chasm]

so you can do 120/45 and you get 2.667. So one water extractor produces enough for almost three coal gens, but if you think about 120/min coal for 8 coal gens, how much water would those 8 gens need per minute?

[wheat sorrel]

idk

😭

[tawny chasm]

8 coal gens
1 coal gen requires 45 water per minute

[fluid vector]

class is in session

[tawny chasm]

so 8 gens require...?

[wheat sorrel]

360

which wouldnt be enough for my pipe preasure which is 300? so i can run 6 max

right?

[tawny chasm]

prepare to be mindblown

you are correct, one single section of pipe cannot exceed 300/min of whatever fluid is in it

[wheat sorrel]

ye

[tawny chasm]

but you can build it such that no single section of pipe need exceed that

there's multiple approaches, but a lot of people like manifolds for this. Belts and pipes alike

[wheat sorrel]

oh

i want to make my power efficieny most worth it

i know overclock hurt power consumption

[tawny chasm]

it does a little

it's a personal preference ultimately. I only overclock miners, generally. But I don't like the aesthetic of water extractors so i overclock those too, sometimes at least, so i don't have to build (and look at) as many of them 😄

buildings are generally cheap in this game so if you need ten assemblers, say, you might as well build ten, instead of 5 with two power shards in each one

[wheat sorrel]

ohhh right

[tawny chasm]

for coal gens you could have one water extractor for three coal ngens and underclock one to 66.67% but with a manifold for the pipes you don't have to

i'm not doing the best job here and this should probably be a thread in #1038092680493801533 cos we're flooding the channel

[wheat sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-pondering-about-devious-question-black-man-pondering-wtf-gif-1595601870259431154

too much maths it hurts my head 😭

[tawny chasm]

the important lesson here though is that three water extractors can supply enough water for 8 coal gens (120/min coal from a miner is enough for 8 coal gens)

it's up to you to figure out how to figure out the pipes. But if you get stuck, check the wiki 🙂

[wheat sorrel]

okeie will do ty i might try ask ai

[tawny chasm]

it's not as much math as you might think, it's just arithmetic most of the time. It's the logistical problem of the piping that trips up a lot of new players

you don't have to ask AI

like i said, check the wiki, if you want 😄

[wheat sorrel]

will do

[tawny chasm]

there's diagrams and shit. I've just been trying to get you to think about it a bit yourself 🙂

[unique cypress]

you might as well guess and get more accurate results

[wheat sorrel]

is this correct

[dull ridge]

Are switches one way when turned on? or is it 2 way?

[fluid vector]

yeah but I'd ignore option B

[wheat sorrel]

okiee alright

[fluid vector]

or you can keep it simple enough and just do 1 water extractor per 2 coal gens

[wheat sorrel]

ill try do option A

[fluid vector]

that way you don't need to worry about flow rates in the pipe, etc

[wheat sorrel]

3 extractors per 8 coal gens

[fluid vector]

that works yes, then you need one of these configs

[wheat sorrel]

whats the difference

[tawny chasm]

just the pipes

[fluid vector]

none just showing that all methods work to get the 360 water needed, even though your pipes only support 300 max

[tawny chasm]

and yes you can be inefficient and risk the rage of ADA and just build two gens per water ex

[fluid vector]

if you could support 360 you could have it all go the same direction through one pipe

but because you can't, the water has to come through in different pipes

[wheat sorrel]

i cant its 300m3 max

[fluid vector]

This is what I did as I didn't use the wiki on my first playthrough. Keep it simple and move on

[wheat sorrel]

i hope that 3 extractors support 8 gen coals

[tawny chasm]

good for you, coming up with your own solution 😄

it's just power! too easy to ruin games for yourself sometimes by looking at the wiki and guides etc, y'know

[fluid vector]

100% just build it how you think it should work and then see if it works

[wheat sorrel]

idk how find the exact page of it

[wheat sorrel]

alright!

[unique cypress]

the OC power consumption is incorrect. it's 34.2 MW

[tawny hinge]

how long will it take my manifold to fill up because it seems its not even like a sixth filled up and ive left it open for like 12 hours straight

can someone maybe come in my world and see if theres something wrong in my fuel factory because i cant find it

[wheat sorrel]

okay i done 3 at 100% for 8 coal gens for 120per item converyerbelt

and i think it works but i could do 2 extractors at 150%

[fluid vector]

if you have a perfectly complete manifold, and it's running from the beginning, the last 2 machines will never fill up.

as it fills each machine to 100% before doing overflow, except for the last 2 machines which get 50/50 split each.

but it should still be running at 100%, it just won't fill up

[tawny hinge]

sure but after 12 hours only like 8 of 80 machines have filled up

[unique cypress]

Depends on the setup. A simple 8-gen coal plant will take about half an hour. A nuclear plant can take days

[tawny hinge]

its an 80 fuel gen plant

[fluid vector]

oh then it might be a pipe capacity issue

[tawny hinge]

i made sure to calculate it and seperate it to use maximum capacity each pipe mk2 could take though

[unique cypress]

What fuel and what clock speed?

[tawny hinge]

regular fuel and 100%

[unique cypress]

Then that's not a single manifold, is it?

That's 1600 fuel

[tawny hinge]

nope

2 full pipes, going to 30 machines each, then one pipe with 400 instead of 600 fpm going to 20 machines

[unique cypress]

According to a manifold calculator, it should've taken about 15 minutes for this setup to fill

[tawny hinge]

well then somethings wrong and i cant find it

[unique cypress]

And from experience, it doesn't take longer than an hour or 2 even from completely empty (all machines, not just the fuel gens)

[tawny hinge]

okay then somethings wrong and icant find i

could you please go into my factory and help me find it

[tawny hinge]

thats the factory

[short ferry]

I use overclocked generators and one underclocked pump for each generator

[proven pawn]

you guys can use satisfactory calculator for this instead of A.I
sometimes it gets it wrong, ive tried it myself
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[short ferry]

Plus they shouldn't be overclocking pumps

It's inefficient

[proven pawn]

thats bad, thats REALLY bad

[vapid gorge]

Well you don’t even need to do any waste cycles. With bps you can build storage that’ll last 10000hrs fast

Or just process it into plutonium rods and sink them or fuel drones

The base uranium chain is also very simple

[proven pawn]

didnt know you could indirectly sink nuclear waste

[vapid gorge]

That was the whole reason for plutonium rod introduction I think

A lot of people didn’t want permanent waste as a ticking clock even on a large timescale which meant they weren’t interacting with the nuclear mechanics

So plutonium rods.

Then I suspect people who couldn’t control themselves and burned plutonium rods bitched until they made ficsonium

[vapid gorge]

The power cost is pretty negligible. More just about shards early on

[unborn dome]

Does anyone know where I can find that graph of drone throughput based on round-trip travel time and stack size?
EDIT: Or if anyone can give me a quick yay/nay, 180/min petrocoke over maybe a third of the map - I feel like this is probably easily sufficient for a drone given the 200 stack size?

[frosty owl]

Overclock everything you can.
Power in game needed for overclocking is cheaper than the CPU-power needed to handle more non-overclocked machines

[fiery minnow]

i'm trying to make a endgame nuclear plant

like using 100% of the world's uranium

what alternates should I have for it?

[tropic hawk]

Uranium Fuel Unit. Everything else depends on exactly what you want for post production.

Ah wait, Solid Steel Ingot, Diluted Fuel, Recycled Rubber/Plastic

Think those are all the no-brainers

[tropic hawk]

Also, are you doing nuclear for the challenge, or for the power?

[vapid gorge]

This was before different drone velocities so it’s rough #math-and-meta message

[unborn dome]

Nice thanks, that's the exact graph I was trying to find

[vapid gorge]

Variable answer if you’re processing all the uranium in the world you won’t need to max out efficiency on the ore since you’ll never need that much

But look at the uranium ore alts and do a quick compare. I think they all are more uranium efficient but need a bunch of other stuff to pad it out

[vapid gorge]

Drone pathing might effect it too so give yourself some leeway

[unborn dome]

Oh true, I think I noticed they take longer routes in 1.1, to avoid more obstacles?

[vapid gorge]

Not sure! It’s probably highlydependent on the points they fly between

I’d probably do a rough estimate in SCIM and assume -20% load

[heavy gust]

https://tenor.com/view/big-city-greens-under-arrest-locked-up-wasted-gto-gif-15527555

[jade geode]

Beautiful, nice schematic colour choice :)

[tawny hinge]

??

[brisk urchin]

excuse me?

ion fuel without power shards?

well i dont think its better than the base recepie but it is faster for sure

yeah ok its way worse, uses more than double the ammount of turbo fuel

[vapid gorge]

define 'worse'.

shards are a fair bit of work

every single fuel processing is essentially converting other resources to more oil

jsut depends what you want to convert

[brisk urchin]

it uses not just more rocket fuel items, it ontop of that uses packaged fuel, wich means times 2

[vapid gorge]

ok, but you don't have to go through all the power shard shenanigans. It's a trade off like every other alt recipe

[brisk urchin]

so 24 rocket and ofc the empty canister for only 10 ionised

[vapid gorge]

saying it's 'strictly bad' is objectively incorect

[brisk urchin]

and normaly its 1 to 1

[brisk urchin]

no that is a loss wich doesnt make it up for the litle benefit of saving power shards

[vapid gorge]

in your opinion

[brisk urchin]

ofcorse

[vapid gorge]

which is as good as you saying 'blue is better than green'

[brisk urchin]

would you use it?

just to save a litle quarz coal and exited photon matter

[opaque quartz]

I've used both. the default recipe is the de-facto sink for power shard production since you can't sink them directly

if you just want the ionized fuel by itself and already have dark matter crystal byproduct, then the alt recipe works fine

either way, I would not used ionized fuel for power production. it's good for vehicles and jetpack

[brisk urchin]

why not tho

for example for my 3000 rocket fuel per minute i would need

93.75 power shards poer minute if i slooped it

wich is a challange ig

[opaque quartz]

the net yield on ionized for fuel is not very good. it requires a ton of power to make

[brisk urchin]

yeah i see it now

i could only increase my power grid by 300 generators with ionised

[opaque quartz]

the burn rate of ionized in a fuel gen is not much better than rocket fuel

[brisk urchin]

from 700 to 1000

[heavy gust]

Why are the generators on a seperate out of line platform

Thats a crime

[tawny hinge]

its not regular just fuel

its hor and diluted packaged and hasmroe complicated stuff than regular easy fuel processes

[unique cypress]

The fact that both are net negative on power compared to the rocket fuel they use as an ingredient is not an opinion

[gloomy relic]

unlocked drones, been tackling fuel like this, is this the way to go?

meaning, one drone station to supply fuel, connected to the fuel factory, then another port for whatever im carrying there

[heavy gust]

this is why i dont use drones

[gloomy relic]

i mean the setup looks quite simple, i just need to place 2 ports instead of 1 and they sort of work forever

but was asking if this is the play or theres something more simple im missing

[vapid gorge]

so you're comparing both thigns that have the same trait.

That still isn't an argument that makes dark ion fuel 'bad'

[vapid gorge]

and it's saying a 50gw dark ion plant only consumes 20gw so still positive

[unique cypress]

Except it consumes 1440 Rocket Fuel, which is worth 86.4 GW. So you're paying 20 GW in consumption and 86.4 GW in lost potential production for 50 GW of actual production

[vapid gorge]

ok that still falls back that you're comparing 2 recipes with the same trait and saying 'bad'

which is pointless as the goal is to produce the fuel

and it wouldn't be 20gw in consumption, a bunch of that is also part of the rocket fuel

[unique cypress]

2-4 GW, depending on recipe

[unique cypress]

They're both bad for the purpose of power generation

And dark ion is significantly worse, because you can't even make it net positive with augmenters

With default ionized, it at least becomes net 0 vs rocket at ~1.2x augment

[opaque quartz]

One port to fetch fuel from your fuel factory that feeds all the other drone ports at the complex

[gloomy relic]

soo... whats described in the image?

[digital crow]

Last Three generators are not getting flow at all, I'm thinking about running a seperate pipe for them to finish them off but I don't want to conflict things

[tidal gazelle]

geting enough water?

for all

[digital crow]

3 extractors at 120/m, limiting factor is the pipes

[thorn trail]

you probably want an ISC storing the fuel from the incoming port before distributing it to the other drone ports for consumption, as well as a smart splitter and sink to handle overflow unless you don't mind your incoming fuel drone(s) hovering around the pad if the incoming gets full. Otherwise, yes, pretty much just like the picture

[tidal gazelle]

just add another pipe then?

at the end

or wherever they run out of water

[digital crow]

done that, but the pipes going into the final generator's flow rate is still low and the general flow rate for them all is fluctating as well

[tidal gazelle]

long as it works is fine

💀

[oblique hollow]

you need to use 2 pipes minimum here anyway.
if the flow in the second pipe sucks, then check the extractors and make sure no water backs up into them

and make sure none of this is 10 m above the extractors pipe output

or you need some pumps

[gloomy relic]

do a water tower to be sure

[oblique hollow]

dont just recommend water towers as a miracle cure

they arent a miracle cure

[gloomy relic]

? its a very quick and easy solution to a potential problem that takes 0 resources and energy

if he does a water tower and issue persists, then the issue is not heading

[oblique hollow]

if there are already pumps there, its not a head lift issue either

[wind spade]

it's a very hacky solution to a self-inflicted problem

[gloomy relic]

how is a water tower a hacky solution its literally what you should do both in game and in real life for a reason

[oblique hollow]

do you KNOW why water towers are used irl?

[wind spade]

it's what's done in real life due to completely different purpose than why you are trying to do it in game. And I wouldn't say you should do it ingame

[gloomy relic]

yes, partially for the same reason as in game, because youre not going to presurise every outlet in the town individually

[wind spade]

it's not that reason

[oblique hollow]

a water tower can NOT pressurize pipes any more than a pump can

your pipes are "pressurized" to the max if they are full

a water tower cannot fill them more than a pump

[gloomy relic]

logically, but you dont need a pump on every outlet

instead you just presurise the main pipeline

[wind spade]

water tower's purpose is to not need to turn on separate pumps when people use their water

[oblique hollow]

you need pumps to build a water tower anyway
so why build a water tower when you can just use the pump?

[wind spade]

aka they deal with irregular demand, which we don't have in Satisfactory

[gloomy relic]

because a) water towers also act as reservoirs as i said, and b) its more efficient than putting x pumps every x homes

[oblique hollow]

you literally dont save pumps because it takes as many pumps to pump up into the water tower as it takes you to build them onto the pipes

[gloomy relic]

i literally dont see the drama, water towers in the game eliminate heading inconsistency problems that you might have and are unaware of

[wind spade]

and water towers also cause issues

[gloomy relic]

you build a water tower (that takes less than a minute to do), check if the issue persists, move on

[wind spade]

you build a pump (that takes less time than a water tower), check if the issue persists, move on

[gloomy relic]

its not about saving pumps though? its about making sure that no elevation issues are happening, specially on a very long road of pipings

[wind spade]

why do a water tower when you can do the same thing with a pump?

[gloomy relic]

because water tower is easier to check if the piping is very long, i just told you

[wind spade]

wdym "easier to check"

[gloomy relic]

you dont have to inspect if all the tracks are higher than 10m or slightly less, which can be harder if youre passing long tracks of pipes through terrain

[oblique hollow]

the pump literaly tells you how many meter of head lift it applies

But at this point its kinda whatever

[wind spade]

it even gives you indicator on where to put another one

[oblique hollow]

(only if the pipe isnt longer than 100m though)

which is maybe where the water tower would be the more "ignorant solution" where you just overshoot it by however many meters

[gloomy relic]

also side note, but water towers do save pumps with more than one pipe

[wind spade]

yeah that's even less recommended

you don't want to connect multiple fluid systems together

[oblique hollow]

I wouldnt ever use a water tower to supply many pipes at the same time
because you dont get any guarantee that the flow wont get messed up.

[wind spade]

"keep it small and simple" is like the most basic rule of piping

[oblique hollow]

One water tower per pipe, if anything

[wind spade]

(and just btw - it's completely fine if you want to use water towers and if they work for you - we're not doubting that or anything. We're just talking about not recommending setups that in general weren't great for people that used them and which caused some issues, which we had to troubleshoot in this server)

[oblique hollow]

I get trying to save pumps but like.
Is it worth it to save a few puny MW by making the system more complex by having it all be interconnected?

[gloomy relic]

most of the times is not an issue of energy, but space

[wind spade]

pumps don't really take space though?

[gloomy relic]

if you just have like, 60 extractors on the lake, and you make a giant cluster of pipes going on a ramp

[oblique hollow]

you mean for things like giant 4x4 pipe "busses" traversing the map or what

I have seen people trying to save pumps by doing that and it didnt go well

[wind spade]

at that point just build near the water instead of shipping it somewhere

[oblique hollow]

Especially at max flow with mk 2 pipes

[gloomy relic]

nono, you build near the water

you just have clusters of like 20+ pipes close together

which become hell to put and mantain pumps

[oblique hollow]

Still tho.
people can absolutely fit pumps onto those 20+ pipe clusters

[wind spade]

yeah, build closer to the water

so you don't have these clusters

[oblique hollow]

If not for pumps, then you get a clusterfuck of pipes and junctions all connected to the water tower

You can just have one pump at the start near the water extractors and it will be enough for the whole line

[gloomy relic]

well yeah you can fit them, probably. the issue is maintaining, making sure all of them are atached (the pipes of the interior), etc

[oblique hollow]

You dont need to have the pump inside the cluster

[gloomy relic]

well that depends on the build

[oblique hollow]

Ever water extractor has an exit pipe. that much is clear

And you can definitely slap a pump onto there somewhere

If you merge it with another extractor, you need the space for a junction and for the pipe to move along

And if its a single extractor.....
Well at that point, if its all cramped then you would have connection issues trying to squeeze in the water tower pipe anyway

So this is kinda getting away from the topic i feel

[tropic hawk]

just to check something, I know that liquids do require headlift, for gases (like Nitrogen), does it have the same behavior except for the headlift limitation? (still should have gravity based feeding, sloshing, etc.)

[oblique hollow]

gasses have no gravity whatsoever

they just go up or down endlessly

the main thing that affects flow rate for them is how full the pipe (or buffer) they are connected to it

you can still get issues with flow at maximum mk 2 flow if you dont apply the same tricks you do with normal liquids at 600/min

[tropic hawk]

so in other words so long as I am not running a max capacity mk II pipe, I can kind of treat it like belts if im keeping the pipes full?

[oblique hollow]

well you cannot keep them full except to have max flow

thats the thing

how would you keep them full?

you can just work with them and expect them to behave like belts

but flow rate and pipe fullness for gas are directly proportional and you cant change that much really

pre-filling the system might be an option now that i think of it

but honestly, i dont believe thats worth the time.

[tropic hawk]

so they work just like belts, got it

[frosty owl]

"Pipes work like belts" confirmed!

[digital crow]

Since people are having a massive argument about pumps and extractors, here's the whole view, I set up additional ones for a second layer of generators I have planned but need all the first layer running smoothly

flow rate all the way up to the one pump is maxxed out, it's where the split is where things get funky

[wind spade]

is that mk1 pipe?

[digital crow]

It is, I need the power running so I can make the plastic I need for mk2

[wind spade]

how much can mk1 pipe carry?
how much do 8 gens need? 🙂

[digital crow]

300m³/m and the required amount per is 45, they were running perfectly fine before I started screwing around with the layout

[wind spade]

8x45 is?

(that's your problem, you're trying to push 360 through 300 pipe)

[digital crow]

yet it was working before?

[wind spade]

most likely just buffered water in pipes

[brisk urchin]

every time you work with fluids, this is gonna happen.
first everything is gona work and after that the actual flow rate starts to count

[brisk urchin]

because of said buffed water

[oblique hollow]

this would be a more preferable solution:
2 extractors on one pipe going in from one end and one extractor coming in from the middle

that way you do not hit a throughput limit

[gloomy relic]

i would just move the generators to the water tbh

[wind spade]

that's not the problem

[oblique hollow]

even if they were closer, you still cannot move 360/min water through a single pipe segment.
it needs to be split up

[digital crow]

I've just forked out a couple ficsit coupons and got the remaining plastic for the mk2 milestone

[oblique hollow]

oh well. Use your precious plastic wisely.
Shop is pricey

[willow pilot]

Rip design

[frigid axle]

How many water extractors should I be using per coal generator?

[wind spade]

0.375

[frigid axle]

Thank you

[tropic hawk]

3:8 ratio (WE:CG)

[frigid axle]

Alright ty

[jade geode]

God I hope stators are super important... because I accidently invested in them 😭

This is only after a few minutes too, no clue how to store this much

[wind spade]

no, they are not used in any building, equipment or anything

[unborn dome]

Just motors and I think electromagnetic control rods iirc

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Stator#Crafting_2

[wind spade]

well those should make their own stators

[unborn dome]

Yep, I mean they could make their stator factory a motor+ECR factory or something

[tropic hawk]

and power storages IIRC

[wind spade]

no

[tropic hawk]

did they change it? I could have sworn they required stators...

[tropic hawk]

interesting, good to know

[unborn dome]

I guess they figured there wasn't much sense in forcing the player to put stators in a mall if it's only needed for a single building. Nice QoL thing.

(Or DD)

[thorn trail]

Project parts, they are used in automated wiring IIRC along with tons of cable

you could easily box-craft your entire quota of automated wiring from that load of stators most likely

[fierce prawn]

Liquid fuel obtained in the Biomass run

[quick gorge]

Can I drink the biofuel?

[fierce prawn]

yes very yummy

[fierce prawn]

built my first battery bank since the update, and while i think it makes more sense to have stators, GOD is it so much nicer to not have to stockpile them

[wind spade]

power storage bank* 😛

[fierce prawn]

🤓

[quick gorge]

-# Ive tasted a vegan smoothie, i know what this tastes like.

[fierce prawn]

I imagine lawn clippings mixed with a sappy scent

[clear edge]

-# aren't smoothies already vegan . . .

[vapid gorge]

come on now, haven't you had a pork smoothie before?

[brisk urchin]

normaly there is like milk in them

[quick gorge]

Not the way FICSIT makes em :]

[brisk urchin]

i think ficsite wokld make it out of hatchers and spitters

[quick gorge]

we have this.. soo

[proud shoal]

whats fastest way to move around the map? Hypertubes, Trains, Power Lines?

what would you recommend

[brisk urchin]

hypertubes for sure

you just need a small speed loop and you go zooming around the map in seconds

[proud shoal]

is it power efficient

or will it use a lot of powers for long tubes

[brisk urchin]

no only the tube entrance needs some power

the tube itselfe doesnt, and you only need about 3 or 4 entrances

per station you want to go and go from to other stations

[proud shoal]

ohhh thats awesome, I never used hypertubes because I thought they are dog 💩 but ima give it a try

[brisk urchin]

u need the 3 way tube for that

the junction yeah thats it

[quick gorge]

I basically use tubes for shooting myself across the world. :)

[brisk urchin]

yeah if you dont think twice while building the exits then you go flying into the void and die

or into the air and also die

[quick gorge]

Its a learning curve to get right.
Please save before testing your cannon

[burnt folio]

soooo... I need 2 water extractors to pump out

(12x((20/100)x230.7692))

how would I go about getting exactly that amount of water?

( normally I use the new requirement / old requirement x 100 = new OC %, cant seem to figure it out with this for some reason )

[dawn crater]

do you need exactly this much water?

you could place down 5 extractors that feed mk.2 pipe and you will have 600m3/min

[burnt folio]

prefer using exacts so I don't have power spikes/dips

[unique cypress]

Then I have some bad news for you about the endgame 🙃

[burnt folio]

got it

[dawn crater]

then just have the last extractor 73,85/86

[burnt folio]

((12x((20/100)x230.7692))/2)/120x100

OC panel allows for bigger equations

[oblique hollow]

Why is the amount so specific?
Are you doing residual plastic from poly resin or something?

[brisk urchin]

lmao the particle accelerator is gna be the first one hes not gona like

[fallow siren]

trains already does that

[brisk urchin]

sort of but also yeah

[unique cypress]

True, they're even worse. They fuck up your production too. Though not by nearly as much as an accelerator

[burnt folio]

That's the water requirement for 2700 steel ingots when using the Iron ingot Steel recipe and the water iron recipe

[oblique hollow]

ah... pure iron

[burnt folio]

Yeh

[oblique hollow]

i hate that recipe

[burnt folio]

But... why?

[oblique hollow]

Vibes
I dont vibe with it

[unique cypress]

I like it because it pisses off everyone who cares about ratios. Meanwhile I get nearly double the ingots from my ore

[oblique hollow]

I dont care much about the ratio

I just dont like its vibe

I dont care if other use it, i just wont use it myself

[burnt folio]

It's why I currently have very spesific OC on water extractors

[unique cypress]

I don't. I see no reason to care about having 100% uptime on my machines. Everything is either at 100% or 250% clock speed

[dreamy umbra]

i run double-loco trains so it is even worse

[burnt folio]

Eh I prefer not seeing spikes in power usage and how much 1 facility is using exactly

[wind spade]

so you don't do sinks, trains and any late-game production?

[dreamy umbra]

every time a heavy resource train goes up to the skybridge via slope the power usage spikes

[burnt folio]

For trains I can live with it, with actualy factories? Rather not

[burnt folio]

My factories don't use sinks, only the end product might need a sink incase the storage is full

[dreamy umbra]

ratios? never heard about that guy

[wind spade]

well any factory I have makes final product, so all factories use sink

[dreamy umbra]

so your factories are segmented and inefficient in terms of logistics?

[wind spade]

why would they be inefficient?

[quick gorge]

Yeah it game be the side eye, dont get me started on leached iron. That fucker set fire to my car

[dreamy umbra]

it is easier to cart in one 6 wagon train of caterium at 1 train station,than try to cart in 6 1 wagon trains for each factory

and less expensive,240MW max instead of 720

[wind spade]

it's even easier to build near the caterium node, so I don't have to cart anything

[dreamy umbra]

midgame mind right here

water is a must,and pipelines are lame

[wind spade]

water is not always needed, and for factories that need water, I build the factory near water

[dreamy umbra]

water is always needed

[wind spade]

very much depends on recipes

[dreamy umbra]

get me one recipe chain in late game that doesn't need water

i'll wait

[wind spade]

fused modular frame

[dreamy umbra]

aluminium needs water>needs water

[wind spade]

sorry meant heavy

no idea why I said fused

[burnt folio]

Sigh... fine I'll stand corrected "I don't like seeing power spikes from factories, but I don't mind it from trains and sinks

[dreamy umbra]

pure iron,or leeched iron

[wind spade]

neither of which are required

[dreamy umbra]

and technically you can just craft HMF by hand,but nobody does that

[wind spade]

that's a bad example, adding water is a choice you can do

handcrafting would be pain

[dreamy umbra]

its a choice that multiplies your output

[wind spade]

but I don't see the need to add water to everything, especially for iron ore which is so plentiful

[dreamy umbra]

iron is used practically everywhere

[wind spade]

fun fact, if talking about cheapest in terms of weighted resources, adding water actually increases iron consumption for HMF (but decreases other resources)

[wind spade]

and is practically everywhere, so doesn't always need to be boosted

[dreamy umbra]

iron wire,cast screws,iron pipe

[dreamy umbra]

etc.
using plastic for plates is overkill btw

[wind spade]

my screws use normal screw recipe

[dreamy umbra]

lame

[wind spade]

no, cheaper by resources

[dreamy umbra]

increases energy demand

[wind spade]

no, decreases

[dreamy umbra]

explain

[wind spade]

steel rod

[dreamy umbra]

so you use coal,that can be used for turbofuel or straight burned

i dunno man, sounds bad to me

[wind spade]

I don't do turbofuel, I do nuclear

I don't need to burn coal if I have nuclear

[dreamy umbra]

do you atleast use the somersloop power amplifiers?

[wind spade]

no, why? power is practically "free", I'd rather multiply actual item production

[dreamy umbra]

after some point that 1 nfr that you get from 10 somersloop falls behind a 10% boost

[wind spade]

I'm not boosting fuel rods, I'm boosting other production

[dreamy umbra]

and the currency in this game is your time

[wind spade]

not power production

[dreamy umbra]

alright

honestly its your factory,you can do whatever you want with it

[wind spade]

obviously

I just still don't see how is it "inefficient" to do independent factories

on the contrary, I see it as a much better way of playing, especially (but not specifically) for new people

[dreamy umbra]

i'll begin stating my opinion on it now,give me a sec

[wind spade]

(just so we are on the same page, here's the wiki article about independency - https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency )

[burnt folio]

It's what I'm currently doing, first save where I've actually gone past Coal power

[dreamy umbra]

from my point of view,combined factories are better due to the ability to combine raw resource refining and secondary output handling, simplifying the structure of the factory by excluding unnecessary small scale manufacturing and cutting down on points of failure
when building complex parts such a turbomotors,batteries,FMF and project Assembly parts it simplifies the building process by exploiting the economy of scale=you don't need to build the same computer setup three times

@wind spade

this hovewer can easily overload a poorly built logistics network

[hushed trellis]

the vertical splitters are beautiful, they open a whole nother world of compact balancing

[dreamy umbra]

to efficiently utilise resource consolidation with trains you need to build robust train hubs and distribute the coordination load on multiple intersections

[wind spade]

If you build it three times, you build a third each time, resulting in same amount of stuff build.

And that's IF you build it the same three times, I usualluly do different recipe paths in different locations due to resources available at location and combination with other recipes

[dreamy umbra]

absolutely unacceptable for me but i understand what you are talking about

however if you build it three times,you still build it three times,just with less volume

pasting blueprints is easy,configuring them is not

[wind spade]

For me it's unacceptable to build in advance, wasting the already mentioned time onto something I won't need for quite some time

[wind spade]

The three factories are different, it's not copy-pasted three times

[dreamy umbra]

i plan my factories for future parts i haven't even unlocked yet

[wind spade]

(And with independency, one factory can still make multiple products, so even the "processing byproducts" argument doesn't apply)

[dreamy umbra]

the machines themselves need to be built and hooked up

[wind spade]

Not ideal for new players

[wind spade]

Yeah the game indeed needs to be played 😉

[dreamy umbra]

new players are NOT making turbomotors and FMF

[dreamy umbra]

hell nah🤣

[wind spade]

They are... when they get to them. The phase is still new to them and they don't know if they will need more in the future

Which is where independency shines - you build what you need now and not care if you need more later, because that's a problem for later

I don't need to plan whole playthrough from start just so I can build a reinforced plate factory

[dreamy umbra]

true

[dreamy umbra]

i'm pretty new,i only got to computers on my 1st playthrough,and i got to FMF,uranium processing and turbomotors

imo anyone who reached this stage has the necessary skills to plan multi-phase factories and build in advance,just as ADA mentions

[wind spade]

Some people finish their 1st playthough 😉

[dreamy umbra]

and i had to go work at military plants before i did,so doesn't count!

[wind spade]

For planning in advance, you need to know what comes next, which means spoiling yourself by wkki or other third-party sources

[dreamy umbra]

or just looking at the phases in the space elevator,just saying

my opinion is that as soon as you get trains you can start thinking about interconnected factory complexes

[frosty owl]

I think that can start as soon as oil gets involved ^^