math-and-meta

[unique cypress]

could be more compacted and it's not TU, but that's not strictly necessary

[vital flame]

What's TU

[smoky mango]

Those are normal mergers. How could I make it TU

[unique cypress]

at the end you have priority mergers

TU means that no matter the inputs and outputs, the balancer will work

[smoky mango]

ah thats funny I guess I had already fixed that im in the world now looking at it

[unique cypress]

non-TU balancers will only work most of the time - when either inputs or outputs are (mostly) equal

[smoky mango]

So because this isn't TU. If I had the inputs be different speed belts they would not balance correctly?

[unique cypress]

as long as you only expect equal outputs, it'll work

TU allows you to turn any into any

non TU any into equal or equal into any

with some wiggle room (it doesn't have to be exactly equal)

[smoky mango]

My use case is i run 1-4 trains all to a single base. I want to have this at the output of each train station balancing the 4 lanes. Would this not work then for that because its not TU?

[unique cypress]

the output from trains is equal so it's fine

Especially if you use balancers to load then it'll for sure be equal

[smoky mango]

yeah ive been balancing the inputs

[unique cypress]

If you wanna see what it means, connect 2 belts to the 2 right inputs and 2 belts to the 2 left outputs. Leave the rest disconnected. When you feed 2 full belts, you'll only get 2 half full belts out

[smoky mango]

ahh i see thank you now it makes perfect sense

[earnest badger]

obsidian canvases are really good for planning builds (this was done with the help of ai 😭)

[quick gorge]

I have no idea what I'm looking at but cool... ||- 50 points for ai||

[ebon portal]

What should one use to go up large vertical distances in phase 2?

[feral token]

what are balancers used for?

[fluid vector]

Ladder from the bonus shop, or tall foundation ramps

[earnest badger]

a set out diagram of my factory to make it easier for me to build it

ai only helped me with structuring it cuz making these is quite painful

[quick gorge]

To each their own, I'm just poking fun dw

[opaque quartz]

ladders are easy and cheap early. after that, personnel elevators (requires steel and silica). both are obtained from the awesome shop

[ebon portal]

What about long range resource transportation?

[opaque quartz]

hopefully you didn't ask the AI to do any math for you

[opaque quartz]

trucks, trains, drones. all unlocked via main milestones

[earnest badger]

i had it check the math but thats it

its 5am so im surprised my math was all there tbh.

#screenshots message
this is what i have built so far, just the rods and plates

i literally started this save 5 hours ago so im quite happy with my progress already

[opaque quartz]

well hopefully the AI pattern matched the math correctly, as it doesn't actually know how to do math. I'd suggest using an actual calculator for that

[earnest badger]

hopefully we didnt ust make the same mistakes then 🤣

[frosty owl]

I strongly suggest avoiding the use of any external tools until you're done with your first playthrough. Relying on them from the beginning can damage your learning curve

BTW, there's proper tools/websites/apps made to calculate or just draw factory plans ()

[frosty owl]

What does it ("TU") stand for though?

[river night]

it stands for "throughput unlimited", a factorio term that noone around here ever used or understood, people need to separate their games 😛

[quick gorge]

I have 5500 hours in factorio and I have never heard that term...

[quick gorge]

Hey @frosty owl I have something funny I'd like you to do #design-and-architecture message
Have a flat area and just run belts underground so it looks like you go behind single input sushi and enter no input sushi

Who needs mods to make weird shit aye?

[frosty owl]

Not quite my style, with my low tolerance on clipping 😅

[quick gorge]

Ita not clipping.. if you hide the clipping parts. I don't like clipping belts but if I need it I put it in a logi-box.. like a balancer goes in a box so the clipping is contained

[frosty owl]

Finally, I managed to complete my factory plan!
Well... the Ficsonium part of the plan, at least...

[quick gorge]

Imagine playing line rider on that.

Holy fuck why did that come to mind? Arrgghh

[deft lichen]

why not just use https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production and annotate that

[unique cypress]

I don't know why I wouldn't use it in Satisfactory as well when balancers are fundamentally identical in both games

What, do you expect me to come up with a new name for the exact same thing just because it's a different game?

[humble berry]

Is there a way to split a belt that has 45 items/min (but sometimes has inefficiencies, and it can drop down to 43-44 items/min) into two belts, one that has exactly 40/min and another with the rest?

[patent blaze]

never understood why people use the steam planner when this site exists

[vapid gorge]

1 splitter
it'll self balance between both processes

[humble berry]

It doesn't when AWESOME sinks are used

[vapid gorge]

use a smart splitter

[humble berry]

I was hoping there would be a way to not rely on overflow so much (one side is going to a factory, the other to the storage room)

[unique cypress]

I'd have separate production lines for storage and further assembly

[vapid gorge]

? why over flow works
if for some reason that gives you pain make 2 sections of machines clocked how you need it

the amount clocked going to a sink, the amount clocked going wherever

clocking is your single most powerful logistic tool

[unique cypress]

Which I never use lol

[humble berry]

yeah, but the computer factory is already made
I think my best option is to take the output from one of the 12 manufacturers straight to the storage room to get a reliable source of computers and the rest to the radio control unit factory and then the rest overflow back to the storage room (one manufacturer makes 3.75/min).
What I want is to make sure the other factory gets enough /min and the storage room gets however many consistently

[vapid gorge]

... so a smart splitter

[humble berry]

but more than just one at the merged line of computers

[vapid gorge]

why? just need it at the very end

if only a very tiny amount isn't getting used 1 ss at the end will do the trick

[humble berry]

because

What I want is to make sure the other factory gets enough /min and the storage room gets however many consistently

[vapid gorge]

yes, I saw, and that will do it

anyway gl

[humble berry]

If i just put one at the end then until the factory gets filled, the storage room doesn't get computers

[unique cypress]

But after it fills, it does

[humble berry]

it makes me sleep better at night knowing I will get computers in the storage room no matter what happens down the chain

[unique cypress]

Then make a factory that makes computers exclusively for storage

Or if you insist, build a 40/min belt limiter

[humble berry]

that's what I asked how to make in the first message

[unique cypress]

But 3-5 comp/min for storage doesn't sound like a lot tbh

[unique cypress]

A mk1 belt with a third of it looped back

[deft lichen]

Exactly

[frosty owl]

Because it allows more detailed control over the layout created/planned.
Like how I finally managed to make a complete layout for my Omnifactory (V3)
||Very easy to understand at this scale ||

[patent blaze]

i mean yeah but how do u keep track of... everything?

[frosty owl]

Tools like the one above help in exactly that, making sure I didn't forget to add or subtract one of the many input/outputs

Unlike SFTools, it allows to use many nodes (with different clocks/recipes) for the production of the same item, which in turn makes it possible to create a layout that reflects the actual clustering of machines in-game.
In my case, this is especially obvious at the bottom of the graph, where each "cluster" of nodes represents a planned floor of that one factory building (maybe some floor will become their own building, who knows...)

Grouping all the outputs together, I can even read them all in one screen

[dusky dust]

I still don't really feel like Modeller and sftools are in direct competition. They do two totally different (though related) things: sftools is a solver, whereas modeller is a planner

[dusky dust]

For some definition of "read," anyway. Modeller's graphs-as-images still remain nearly incomprehensible to anyone you share 'em with. :D

[frosty owl]

There's some overlap, but I do use them both atm...

[frosty owl]

I mean... at least it's readable is what I'm saying 😆
While I definetly could group together outputs in SFTools too (just to give an example), I don't normally do that because there's no way to save that 😅

(Objective being: having all nodes in one page, but not so zoomed out that texts are unreadable)

[dusky dust]

IMO Modeller graphs are totally unreadable, though I acknowledge it's not a problem if you're the one using the app, and can make use of the mouseovers, etc.

I wish that it had an export mode where it labelled anything instead of requiring people to try and interpret a massive grid of tiny 3x3 icons all over the place

But, again, I acknowledge that's not a problem for the person actually creating the layout, since the app gives you info on mouseover, etc, and you're the one familiar with the layout

I've found pretty much every Modeller graph that's ever been shared on the server to be nearly inscrutable, whereas any other solver's graphs at least have labels so it's clear what's being made, and via which recipes, etc

But, again, I get it: Modeller's goal is not to produce layouts for other people, so it's not gonna care about that

[honest grove]

you can title each and every node if you feel like it

[dusky dust]

I have yet to see someone share a Modeller graph with any labelling whatsoever, except for labels that someone had clearly added in manually to the image afterwards

[honest grove]

ill generally label at least my outposts

[dusky dust]

(Which, again, fine! Graph exports are not Modeller's primary goal, so it doesn't really matter. But it does mean that its graphs are generally practically useless for information sharing)

[vapid gorge]

if it's vaguely complex it's real easy to still not know which recipe name you're using

[dusky dust]

Like, if the goal is information-sharing, you don't want the people you're sharing with to have to try and guess resources (is that coal or compacted coal? what Space Elevator part is that?), guess recipes (is that vanilla RIP or Bolted Iron Plate?), or guess buildings (is that an Assembler or a Foundry?)

Which, again, is 100% fine for actually using the app because you're the one doing it, and mouseovers solve all those problems

It's only the graph exports which get shared here which I find staggeringly lacking in usefulness. :)

[frosty owl]

I cannot speak generally as I only have my own experience, but I reckon that it takes a lot of effort to make a plan easy to read for others and one would still need to make several screenshots to share the whole plan (my plan would probably take >10)... That's a lot of work for a shabby payout 😅

[dusky dust]

Compare to the graphs from any solver that we've had thus far, which has all that info clearly labelled in text right there, and IMO the difference is night-and-day

[dusky dust]

Right, my point is that any of the existing solvers generate graphs which are orders of magnitude easier for other people to understand, is all

Due to the mere fact that they label everything

(Which, again, I'm trying not to frame this as being against how Modeller does things -- I get that graph sharing is not Modeller's primary purpose, whereas graph sharing is the primary purpose of solvers)

[frosty owl]

I don't feel like there's a lack of labeling tbh
The only difference I see in Modeler VS SFTools is the lack of name of the recipes (which I don't care for so long as inputs/outputs are clearly visible, in this Modeler helps as it has small pictures for them)... Ofc, that's assuming one is zooming in enough 😆

[dusky dust]

Which you can't really do if you're dealing with an image export

Lack of names of recipes, lack of names of resources, lack of names of buildings

[frosty owl]

People with 4k monitors benifit of sharing such files more 😆

[dusky dust]

Practically every bit of information "stored" in a Modeller graph export needs to be manually interpreted by whoever's looking at it. "Okay, that resource is quickwire, this other resource is copper, which means that this recipe is X, and it looks like that's going into an Assembler..."

[unique cypress]

not if discord murders the quality

[dusky dust]

I mean you can't say that a graph like this isn't far better at conveying the actual information than a collection of tiny icons. Assume you're sharing with someone who might not even be familiar with the recipes

[frosty owl]

That just loops back to "needing many screenshots to share a plan"
Having more nodes and more connections makes it harder to fit meaningful amounts of the whole plan in one screenshot

[dusky dust]

Literally everything you'd need to recreate the factory is right therein text

[unique cypress]

plus you can share the link, which is not just more readable, but also editable

[dusky dust]

Again, I'm not saying it's a detriment of Modeller. It's goal is not to produce clean standalone graphs like that

But to me its graphs are absolutely dire at conveying information to someone who didn't actually make the graph

Anyway, if you don't agree that that sftools graph is more immediately useful to a 3rd party than an equivalent Modeller graph, then we've got a fundamental difference in how we process data, so I don't think we're ever going to convince each other. :)

To me it's night and day. As I say, I've literally never seen a Modeller graph image which doesn't require a fair bit of mental processing to even know what's going on, whereas any other solvers' graphs have always facilitated immediate understanding. (I mean, so long as it's not a complete rat's nest of connections and such)

(Though again, just to be clear: I'm really not trying to slag off Modeller here. Graph sharing is not what it's intended for, and clearly the folks who use Modeller find it super useful for planning. I just loathe its graphs as third-party info sharing)

[unique cypress]

I think it's abysmal for planning too, because everything just takes so long

it's gotta be a difference in mentality, because Tools gives me all the information and customization I need

having to place each node individually is just a detriment

[dusky dust]

Yeah, I'm definitely glad that folks like Modeller; it definitely seems to have fit a niche that a lot of folks wanted

[split sierra]

i think it all depends on your workflow at the end of the day

when i'm planning a big factory having both the single array with my logistic constrains and the entire factory with his inputs/outputs on a single screen is so convenient

i really wish modeler allowed you to add text windows or background groups

[severe arch]

So, I am having this layout made in Obsidian Canvas. I am afraid that it won't fit horizontally into my factory. What do?

[dusky dust]

Fit it vertically instead? You've got 2km of vertical height to work with. :)

[severe arch]

Me dumb, me not know how to do it. What do? :)

[dusky dust]

Foundations are your friends. Picking a screenshots post sort of at random: #screenshots message

No need to enclose/decorate, but you can always build up.

If you're extremely early game, it's possible that you don't have some of the more vertically-useful buildables like ladders + stairs and such, but I think you've always at least got foundation ramps

[severe arch]

Yeah, I had a plan of building up, but diff:
G: Smelting and making basic stuff (plates, rods etc)
1: Making something a little more complex (RIPs, rotors etc)
2: ???

[bitter grail]

Why don’t you just reorganize it so it is not all centered around the middle? Like make it more compact?

You can make conveyors go farther to reach the next set of machines. And if you don’t have space for conveyors on the floor just make them go above the machines to get to the next area

Also idk if that app you are using will be helpful since you can’t judge the actual size of the machines and belts? So it may actually all fit in game

[brisk urchin]

those are all i have rn

[unique cypress]

put a blue dot next to the ones I'd take

[charred grove]

need help on the satisfactory calculator:
am I able to save in production planner?

I cant finish the build and prefer to avoid re-setting all recipe etc

[brisk urchin]

aparently turbo pressure motor is A tier

[unique cypress]

but like don't take them just because I told you. take them if you think you have a use for them

[brisk urchin]

no i wont take any lol

untill i get some realy specific ones

[unique cypress]

I like electric more. also, tier lists are less than useful IMO

[unique cypress]

SCIM's production planner is garbage. I suggest you use Satisfactory Tools instead. it does have saving and is a much better calc in general

[brisk urchin]

is satisfactory modeler good?

[unique cypress]

if you like to assemble the graph by hand, sure

[brisk urchin]

is there a better way?

[unique cypress]

Tools just generates a graph for you. from raw resources to the final product. you just choose recipes

and it's not like you have to choose, it can choose for you

it optimizes for least resources used

modeler is fully manual

to me, that's useless but if you like to meticulously plan your factories, it's better than tools for that

i'd still use tools to figure out the recipes first

[brisk urchin]

no i mean like i dont know any other tools

ive been wanting to plan factories but only found this usless tool

[unique cypress]

when I say Tools I mean Satisfactory Tools, the website

https://satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[brisk urchin]

oh

o dam

[brisk urchin]

and because its a good timing to ask

how do i inport blueprint files to my world

like form the internet

[opaque quartz]

My 2 cents: build your own blueprints instead of installing other peoples’

[unique cypress]

paste the .spb and .sbpcfg files into the blueprint directory in the save file folder

[brisk urchin]

im verry bad at that

[brisk urchin]

mh ok

[unique cypress]

save files location is in #faq

[opaque quartz]

Best way to get better is to experiment yourself

[unique cypress]

you need to create at least 1 blueprint in the world because blueprints are world specific

[kindred carbon]

The ones that are “closed factory box that takes x and turns it into x” sound really useful

[brisk urchin]

ik ik, but some are just perfect

[opaque quartz]

If you slap your world together using a bunch of blueprints other people made, are you really playing the game at that point?

Again I’m just some guy with an opinion, it’s your world so play however you like 😊

I used some downloaded blueprints in my first playthrough and later regretted it. I was simply not engaging with some of the mechanics of the game because I was relying on someone else’s turnkey solution

[brisk urchin]

ik the drill 👍

[kindred carbon]

Man trains are so cool in this game

[opaque quartz]

Agreed. Another thing I didn’t engage w in my first playthrough, had to force myself to learn them in the post-game. Second playthrough I went train crazy from the start

[wind zinc]

is there a way to use modded recipes on a calculator/planner site ?

[unique cypress]

there technically is a way to do that in SF Tools.

[kindred carbon]

Yea just built the bauxite train, with @warm river help I got it up and running. Ill expand it later on for other nodes probably

[unique cypress]

but you'll have to DM greeny (the author) for the tutorial

[wind zinc]

okay, thanks, on a scale of 0-10 how dificult is it ?

[unique cypress]

satisfactory optimizer can do custom recipes without doing much extra, but using it in the first place isn't easy

[unique cypress]

I haven't done it myself, but it requires hosting your own version of SFTools

[wind zinc]

oh

[unique cypress]

so on a scale of calculators it's probably a 3-4, with a 10 being writing your own

optimizer just requires setting up python

which i'd say is like a 1.2

[warm river]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

This is my recommendation

You can set what you want, the inputted materials you are working with (from ore to already finished items, such as aluminium ingots) and it just gives raw you need x to produce y

the logistics is on you

[kindred carbon]

There is only one recipe for the alclad aluminum sheets? This kind of sucks man

[warm river]

at least its even and not a negative ratio

[kindred carbon]

True

[wind zinc]

i have used this, the problem is that i wanna use @unique cypress 's T9 alt recipe mod (eventually)

[warm river]

when you say recipe mod, what do you mean?

(coming into the convo late)

[unique cypress]

I used this
https://github.com/Zistack/Satisfactory-Optimizer
to balance the mod

[wind zinc]

thx

[unique cypress]

it is a functional calculator

but not nearly as user friendly as online calcs

[warm river]

elevator pitch, whats the benefit of this tool over SFtools?

[wind zinc]

that you get to use modded recipes ?

[unique cypress]

modded recipe support and more customizability

the downside is that it's text based

[warm river]

And by modded recipe support, recipes that come from mods, such as refined power?

[wind zinc]

yeah

[unique cypress]

you can type in any recipe you want

[warm river]

ahhh, gotcha

[warm river]

the incorporation of recipes from mods would be huge in some instances 😛

[wind zinc]

TBH, after looking at the github page
i might just like do the math myself

[unique cypress]

if you want to, I can send you my "plugin" for graphing the output

[kindred carbon]

My god

I’m so dumb

[unique cypress]

it's perfectly readable

[kindred carbon]

I had the pure aluminum ingot recipe unlocked this entire time

[warm river]

-knees start sweatin-

[warm river]

honestly, as long as you can drag, its damn near the same as SFtools minus colour

[unique cypress]

you can't

[warm river]

-instant swamp ass-

[unique cypress]

this is just an svg

generated by graphviz

you can only edit the look by changing the graphviz parameters

but it might be more readable than this

[wind zinc]

yeah,if i wasnt sure before, i'm just gonna do the math myself 😅

[warm river]

what mod recipe you trying to work with en mass?

[wind zinc]

the ones in here : https://ficsit.app/mod/T9_Alts

well, in the future

currently im stuck with my T7/8 factory

[unique cypress]

same

currently building turbo motors, FMFs, etc

don't even get to use my own mod yet

[kindred carbon]

Is this like your 10th world

[wind zinc]

im at the pressure conversion/magnetic field gen part RN

[unique cypress]

probably, yeah

8th-9th might be more accurate

[wind zinc]

i ran out of space from the other 2 parts (plus some other things im making there SC,FMF,200battery/min,etc)

[kindred carbon]

200/min FMF?

[wind zinc]

200/min FMF Batteries*

i didnt have RF unlocked yet and batteries were the next best thing for drones

[kindred carbon]

Oh

I thought this guy is crazy why does he need so many

[wind zinc]

[wind zinc]

i wonder if you can even make 200/min if you wanted to

welp, 600 is possible it seems lol

[unique cypress]

nearly 750 without sloops

[unique cypress]

328 without SAM and sloops

[wind zinc]

this is something im never gonna build

[unique cypress]

i'll be making 55 for my nuke plant lol

not to mention I'm making 15 for myself RN

[wind zinc]

and i thought 9 was a lot

[unique cypress]

304 ficsonium rods require sacrifices

the max I can make with my mod without sloops or resource conversion

[wind zinc]

base game ?

[unique cypress]

only 3.3k fully OC machines lol

[unique cypress]

base game is 152 but it needs sloops

[wind zinc]

BTW, is it worth slooping fuel rods ?

ive been thinking about it..

[unique cypress]

in vanilla, making ficsonium at all isn't worth it

[wind zinc]

okay, but overall

[unique cypress]

bauxite to uranium conversion and making more uranium rods is cheaper and easier

if you're making a huge plant, augmenters are probably a better deal

[wind zinc]

(slooping fuel rods)

[unique cypress]

im just guessing tho

[wind zinc]

sure

[unique cypress]

4 sloops in a uranium unit manufacturer gives you 1.5 more rods/min

7.5 extra reactors

18.75 GW

so 10 sloops is 46.875 GW

10 sloops in an augmenter is 10%

so above 468.75 GW, augmenters are better than slooping URods

[kindred carbon]

How many sloops do you have in the world and how many are used for mam research

[unique cypress]

106 available, 3 for mam, 103 left

[kindred carbon]

So 10 power augmenters are possible

[unique cypress]

correct

double power, or quadruple if matrixed

[wind zinc]

triple no ?

[kindred carbon]

Easy 2x of power if you ever needed it, especially since you don’t lose any if you dismantle things

[wind zinc]

i thought it went to 30%/machine when you use the matrix

[unique cypress]

+300%, 400% total

[wind zinc]

ok

its 0:00 so im a bit tired

[unique cypress]

just like +100% is double

[wind zinc]

right..

[unique cypress]

same, but I woke up at 11 am so i'm still fine lol

[wind zinc]

bruh

[wind zinc]

you couldnt sleep ?

or you couldnt wake up

[unique cypress]

If i don't have any classes, appointments, etc and I don't need to be anywhere at a normal hour, after 2 weeks I sleep 7am-4pm

society forces me to have a normal sleep schedule

[wind zinc]

for me its the sun coming up in the morning 😭

super annying that its actually semi bright at 6am

[unique cypress]

to wake up or to go to sleep?

[wind zinc]

yes. : )

[wind zinc]

well, i cant sleep because of it for much longer so i usually wake up at 9 or 10am

[kindred carbon]

So when I’m making aluminum scrap, how do I recycle the water?

Should I just send to straight back with a pipe to the beginning of the process?

I guess I’ll need a valve for that

[unique cypress]

build 2 separate alumina refinery groups, one uses exclusively fresh water, the other exclusively waste water

clock all of them appropriately and it works perfectly

idk if clocking is even required

alternatively use a VIP junction to merge

but definitely not a valve

static supply leads to issues when the output is not static for any reason

[kindred carbon]

Other options?

[kindred carbon]

I can just use a buffer to solve that issue

[unique cypress]

If you're willing to manually flush it every now and then, sure

Or make sure neither your supply of bauxite and coke or demand for scrap never changes

[kindred carbon]

So it doesn’t momentarily stop production right?

[unique cypress]

If you have a constant supply of water that won't automatically throttle itself, and the production stops for a reason, the water just gets added without being used, eventually leading to a deadlock

So you either need to make sure that in that situation, the extractor gets full and stops before the scrap refineries do, or that it never happens

[kindred carbon]

Yea I got what you mean now

[wind zinc]

you could also just like sink it

thats what i do 😎

[kindred carbon]

Don’t have limestone nearby unfortunately

Actually i do…

I don’t have the wet concrete recipe tho

[vapid gorge]

use it making scap

[unique cypress]

hey, remember how I mentioned I'll need 3.3k machines?

that didn't include the 1k water extractors 💀

[vapid gorge]

blue is fresh water, red is waste

[wind zinc]

BRUH, you are so cooked

🤣

[vapid gorge]

keep it split, direct feed systems are less reliable and valves especially

[kindred carbon]

Well the problem is that I’m using a single refinery for now lol

[vapid gorge]

clock it so you use 2

[kindred carbon]

Ill go back to it later

If it stands then it stands I guess

[vapid gorge]

if you're going to direct feed, use a powered pump instead of a valve

[kindred carbon]

Wdym?

Can you limit flow on pumps

[vapid gorge]

it's not about flow limit

valves don't do a reliable job fighting back flow

clock the water extractor to exactly the difference you need , and let the waste water flow as much as it can

then pray

[kindred carbon]

Well I do have some recipes that use water

So i guess ill use the water for that

[vapid gorge]

even if you have the resources for those resources right next to you it's still far simpler splitting your solution production into 2 refineries

[kindred carbon]

Yea true , but I don’t have that scale yet

I’m overclocking a single refinery to make 576/min alumnia

[vapid gorge]

wdym? just split the clocking from 1 refinery into 2

are you out of materials to make refineries or something? if so that's a much bigger issue

[kindred carbon]

No I just haven’t thought of underclocking to solve the water issue

Well the the entire thing is built now, I’ll go back and touch it up

I just wanna gather some aluminum for mk5 belts and upgrade everything

[vast inlet]

to work out how many overclocked machines i need is to devide by 2.5 right ?

[amber umbra]

The calculators show the amount of machines as X% equivalents. Then you divide that into as many machines as desired with 250% being max per one machine.

[vast inlet]

this what im being shown, guess thats 100%

[amber umbra]

So 211.99 refineries at 100% clock.

211.99 work/(1.00 work / refinery) = 211.99 refinery

Yup, divide that raw 211.99 by your desired average machine clock rate in decimal form.

[vast inlet]

ty

[fiery minnow]

is it even possible to create a perfectly efficient aluminum factory

i'm using valves to control the water flow rate but the flow inconsistency makes it impossible to perfectly balance out so then the solution refiners aren't running 100% and it messes the whole thing up

[amber umbra]

Yes, there's a couple good ways to make aluminum robust. If you search aluminum in this thread it'll likely return the info.

"satisfactory pipeline manual" also has them.

@fiery minnow

[fiery minnow]

thanks

[vapid gorge]

direct feeding waste water back into fresh, especially using valves, is very unreliable

[vapid gorge]

example of a split solution system, where some refineries run only on fresh and some only on waste

[fiery minnow]

yeah thanks i figured that was probably the issue

[sinful junco]

i'm at t4 working on t2 of the space elevator, do these rates seem alright?

[vapid gorge]

only you can really decide.

[sinful junco]

js wondering if they make enough sense for this tier of the game...

[vapid gorge]

aim for a production goal, overflow extras to storage when its full

[spiral wigeon]

this is a really old build, but do y'all have any ideas why its not running at 100%? its a mk1 miner on a pure node, and all constructors are clocked down to 88.67 percent or 13.3 concrete/m and 39.9 limestone/m

and its all mk2 belts so it shouldnt be an issue there

[vapid gorge]

I'd guess you have a lower mk belt choking the miner out

always follow the problem backwards

the constructors aren't getting enough limestone it seems, so go backwards
the miner looks paused, and probably choked on limestone

that shows there's a throughput issue. Likely a belt that isn't fast enough

[spiral wigeon]

i checked all of them, could there be like a microscopic one inside the miner somehow

[vapid gorge]

yup, that's one of the issues you get if you build a splitter or merge ON an existing belt

also from memory a limestone constructor takes 45 lime pm , so if you're only doing 120 from that miner, even with mk2 belts, they'll still starve

[spiral wigeon]

yeah I clocked it down, this was like my first build when I started this save a while ago and this machine being inefficient has bothered me for a while

ig ill just tear it down and rebuild it

[vapid gorge]

just rebuild the connections and belts

another reason to build it in a more tidy way

[sharp osprey]

Trying to model my Steel production atm I want to make steel beams, pipes and encased but as im doing the math on satisfactory modeller im realising I need 2 alternates to make it any way efficient and Im not great of an explorer so I only have IronWire alternate. (these are the raw resources Im working with.) what should I do?

[crimson moat]

go hard drive hunting, look for solid steel ingot and maybe others like encased industrial pipe

the only available recipies are the ones that you have unlocked, and it's easier to kind of keep up with getting alts as they unlock rather than reach endgame with almost nothing

[sharp osprey]

yea ok thx (:

[crimson moat]

basic iron ingot is also a nice one; it essentially converts 40 limestone into 25 iron.

Iron and Limestone are the two most plentiful resources but locally you're more likely to run out of iron, it's nice to get lots of bang for your node

You can combine Basic Iron Ingot with Solid Steel by having two rows of foundries: first row Basic Iron Ingot (iron ore + limestone), second row Solid Steel (iron ingot + coal).

There are lots of really useful alternate recipies like this, and at several points in the game it is pretty much worth stopping what you're doing and just going to get them.

Examples:

Solid steel is a huge help in P2 (a bit of complexity buys a lot of resource multiplication)

There are a lot of little helps throughout P1 and P2

Heavy Oil Residue + Diluted Packaged Fuel (P3) or diluted fuel (P4) are hugely transformative resource multipliers - a bit of complexity, but something like 4x the oil to fuel ratio. Optionally combo'd with Recycled Plastic and Recycled Rubber to bring same benefit to Plastic and Rubber.

Heavy Encased Frame (P3) greatly cuts down on complexity and resource cost for a critical and expensive item

Electrode Scrap, Sloppy Alumina and Pure Aluminum ingot are a great help for scaling aluminum (P4).

Maybe a few more, these are just some that come to mind.

You will basically unlock these anyway as you go, so it's better to do some now and use the recipies on the way rather than just unlock them after you've already built all of that stuff.

[vapid gorge]

unlock mam equipment. Blade runners, bombs, zip lines, better weapons, medical inhalers. And get the jet pack.
exploring is hard without the right gear

[warm wren]

The question as old as time... how far is "too far" to run a belt...

[unique cypress]

I'd say about a kilometer. If you need to move anything farther than that you either picked the wrong spot for your factory or it'd be easier to set up a train/drone

[crimson moat]

My opinion with the current game balance is that basically there is no such thing as too far, to the point where trains/trucks/tractors are probably objectively underpowered compared to belts and drones.

Trains take longer to set up, are more complex, and have only a small fraction of the throughput per-area. They use substantial amounts of power, too, while belts use no power.

In small quantities it works fine either way (usually just a bit longer to build a train track) - but when you scale up you see that using trains ends up with ridiculously long stations, ridiculously high numbers of trains etc. I assumed that trains would be the best answer, and ended up with 1km long train stations which have to be perfectly straight to even function etc and it was just a pain in the ass. Can you make that eight 128m stations side-by-side? Yeah, but it's still an enormous footprint.

Belting scales far more graciously and never hits those throughput density problems.

Belts also benefit even more from autoconnecting blueprints than trains do, as you can now blueprint a "highway" of 100 belts and place one down 40 meters away every couple of seconds. If you do that with a train track BP, you'd need to run 100 carts of stuff on that track to match the throughput and that's an enormous practical challenge. It can be done, but it's not easy to do it.

Realistically i think the resource locking behavior for 27.08s every time a train enters the station is what really kills it. Without that, a train cart could move 2x as much stuff as a belt and do so completely consistently. With it, i only do 1 belt per train cart; you can stretch to about 1.4 or 1.5, but it requires significant care.

[plain quartz]

sooo, while i was designing my powershard factory i noticed that if i use the best recipies you produce more dark matter residue than needed. My question is is it worth it to build a big singularity cell factory without using sam?

[unique cypress]

What do you need 175 power shards for? I'd scale it down like 10-15x.

Also, shards can't be sunk so your cell factory would stop when you fill up on shards

[plain quartz]

i dont need that i want to use up my 24/min nuclear pasta

[sharp osprey]

unrelated but how did you get your lines to join at 90* instead of curves and break off at precise areas?

[plain quartz]

in the settings you can select styles and i use the 2d option

[unique cypress]

Oscillators are also DMR positive

And you can sink them to maintain output

[plain quartz]

i will probably use that, thanks

[unique cypress]

You can also "sink" shards by turning them into ionized fuel and burning it

Which will allow you to recoup some of the cost of making them

But if you use those shards for yourself, you won't have a stable power output, so if you care about that, those shards would have to be exclusively for DMR

[plain quartz]

im considering making a huge fuel plant with it

[patent blaze]

rocket fuel is bad enough i cant even imagine how many generators an ionized plant would need

[unique cypress]

Keep in mind that turning rocket fuel into ionized fuel costs more power than it generates. You'll need augmenters to be net positive, and even then it's way more expensive than rocket fuel

That's why imo ionized fuel is only useful as a sink for shards

But maybe at 4x power augment it's worth it idk

[patent blaze]

and fuel for jetpack :^)

[crimson moat]

Best jetpack and vehicle fuel, you can also downclock to make it generate a lot of power. It's one of the best ways to create DMR as well for other factories (you build it for DMR and get the shards as a "byproduct")

[plain quartz]

havent looked into it that far

[unique cypress]

Even if you underclock everything to 10%, it's only half the power consumption, at the cost of having to place 10x the machines. It does make it a net gain compared to rocket fuel, but with the absolutely insane cost, I still wouldn't say it's worth it specifically for power. Especially because it only contains 40% more energy than rocket

I'd have to do some more math on using shards as a DMR source, because Tools just outputs them as a byproduct, which you can't really do because they're not sinkable. You'd have to add the cost of the rest of the ingredients of ionized fuel (i.e. rocket fuel). It's probably not much of a difference, but still

Also, tools generally prefers using SAM to make DMR, then AI Servers, then Oscillators and finally shards

[crimson moat]

Just for power it's not great yeah, a lot more appealing with APA's

I am pretty sure that ionized plays a large role in a maximum power build, especially a wasteless one, because DMR is really helpful for doing anything in P5

[unique cypress]

I'm pretty sure a wasteless max power build is max uranium, sink min plutonium, then max rocket, then max fuel, then max coal

But that is without any matrixed augmenters iirc

[crimson moat]

and without sloops probably

[unique cypress]

Well, after 10 augmenters you only have 3 left so it's not much of a difference

[crimson moat]

not sure that 10 augs is optimal

[unique cypress]

I'll have to do a table to see how many augmenters and how many matrixed ones give most power

It might turn out it's something stupid like 8 augmenters, only 5 of them matrixed

[crimson moat]

ye 😄

[plain quartz]

one of my other projet is to utulize all uranium and i have a problem cuz i need 5040 sam, but now knowing that i can make DMR without sam ill probably finish the setup and not just nik the plutonium fuel rods

(and i also need 126 singularity cell for that too)

[unique cypress]

max power production is ~14.5 TW with 9 matrixed augmenters and 0 unmatrixed ones

[crimson moat]

how much of different fuels?

[unique cypress]

21937.332 coal, 37562.337 rocket fuel, 114.241 uranium rods and 1293.380 ionized

it's possible you could do slightly more because SF Optimzed doesn't do sloops perfectly

[unique cypress]

plus geothermal, plus the base augmenter power

[crimson moat]

is that with or without waste

[unique cypress]

the only thing I've allowed it to output are sink points

[crimson moat]

i prob wont minmax like that but i may do 10 TW sometime

[unique cypress]

so it's wasteless, and no unsinkable shards

it also makes 4374976 sink points/min from the plutonium lol

[brisk urchin]

dam

i'd take both

but tbh i dont rly need the resin

[unique cypress]

resin is only useful when you're automating filters (for the fabric)

for plastic and rubber there are much better recipes

[brisk urchin]

ah, ok i dont need that much filters

[unique cypress]

and uranium is only useful when building a nuke plant
and for nuke nobelisks

so marginally better but the entire drive is meh

[brisk urchin]

yeah i know but this recepie doesnt use a liquid

and doesnt give you a liquid as a byproduct

[unique cypress]

you aren't gonna use either regardless unless you build a nuke plant or automate nuke nobelisks

but if you're gonna do either, then yes, the alt is better

[brisk urchin]

yeah exactly

[unique cypress]

and if you build a nuke plant, you might wanna automate iodine filters (like 5/min)

[brisk urchin]

so everyone just goes with fuel generators?

[unique cypress]

they are easier so if your only goal is to complete P5, then there isn't much reason to do nuclear

but if you want to automate P5 at some high rate, then nuclear can be useful.

it's also just used as a challenge

[brisk urchin]

ah okay

what is p5?

[unique cypress]

phase 5

[brisk urchin]

oh

yeah im need that at some point

[unique cypress]

for example, in past versions, I completed p4 (the last one back then) on just regular fuel, and only built a nuke plant for fun after

regular fuel, not turbo, and rocket and ionized weren't even a thing yet

[brisk urchin]

dam realy?

[unique cypress]

p5 takes more power, so rocket fuel might be a better idea, but I wouldn't say it's necessary

you can just spam fuel instead

it's probably more work, but it's easier logistically

[brisk urchin]

why does p5 take so much more power

because of the production?

[unique cypress]

machines for most tier 9 parts take a lot of power

[brisk urchin]

so my current netweork wont be enough?

[unique cypress]

a single encoder pulls 1000 MW normally

depends how many you build

[brisk urchin]

i have a particle accelerator running rn

[unique cypress]

yeah, like I said, depends how many you build. I am using double that and I'm barely past basic aluminum right now

soon to double it again with my advanced aluminum factory

[brisk urchin]

yeah im using that litle rn because nearly all my small production lines are full of storage

but i believe power wont be a problem form e in the future, im planing to mane a power grid that uses up like 3 pure oil nodes and converts that to about 200 000MW

[unique cypress]

I was looking at max consumption actually...

[brisk urchin]

ah yeah doesnt matter

[patent blaze]

do trains calculate weight based on stack count?

i need them to deposit fully every time or it wont make it up the tower i made for it

[unique cypress]

I believe so, yes

you can check the wiki

I remember the weight being mentioned there

[patent blaze]

i'll check later

[unique cypress]

iirc, you need a locomotive for every 3-4 full wagons to go up the steepest possible incline

[lilac geyser]

anybody can gues why my block signals say signal loops into itself when its just straigt ? (the turns to the left all a green signal

[patent blaze]

i've got 10 wagons on

[unique cypress]

rails too close or glitched switches

[lilac geyser]

but some are green and if i replace them it keeps it

all the left turns show this

like how can it be a loop even by moving them it keeps saying it

[deft lichen]

the error message is misleading

it's more of "failed to divide block"

did you use blueprints to build this?

[lilac geyser]

no blueprints

[spiral geode]

Fun Fact: Without completing Phase 1, you can scavenge enough resources to build 4 Geothermal Generators and if placed on pure nodes, will net you 800-2400 MW (1600 average) of power before you even unlock coal generators.

[deft lichen]

hold a signal and take a screenshot with that

[lilac geyser]

^^

[deft lichen]

well that's weird

try rebuilding the tracks that turn left

[lilac geyser]

i did and it got wors

[deft lichen]

the block color mustn't continue past a signal

[deft lichen]

then both the straight track and tracks that turn left

[broken kiln]

what am i missing? i thought i'd be able to calculate my output based on the inputs, but it doesn't seem to obey the quartz input.

[deft lichen]

no idea how that planner works but https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production does the job 🤷

[broken kiln]

hm, switched it to full calc mode and seems ok now

[lilac geyser]

i rebuilded all of it

[limber spear]

i despise this
any tips ?

[deft lichen]

use multiples or fractions of 45

[unique cypress]

...why?

[deft lichen]

try 40.5 rotors

[limber spear]

but then i dont max out my initial belt and i cant live without that

[unique cypress]

then that's a you issue

[deft lichen]

you have to live with either one of those things

[unique cypress]

use different recipes or something

[deft lichen]

ugly numbers or slight underutilization

[limber spear]

ill do 40 then

was wondering if there was a secret tip for these kind of numbers

[deft lichen]

I just told you?

0.9*45 = 40.5

[unique cypress]

yes, ignore them

[limber spear]

fair lmao

[burnt folio]

gonna start getting Aluminium started, I've got the recipe where I just need water, bauxite and oil.

which node would you guys suggest?

[opaque quartz]

whichever one is easier for you. I built a long converyor lift down from the pure node on the arch and fed it to a train over to the oil islands for processing w/ petcoke (electrode scrap)

[primal briar]

Hello, my friend says that satisifactory dosent feature the use of mathematics, can you tell him why it actually does please.

[burnt folio]

... what?

I'm sorry but if they genuinly think that I'm not quite sure you'll be able to convince them otherwise

[primal briar]

haha thanks bro

[burnt folio]

you sure he ain't trolling/ragebaiting you?

[primal briar]

@tribal furnace READ TS

[primal briar]

i dont know hes really dumb

[brisk urchin]

oooo i kinda want that

[unique cypress]

it's good especially if connected to a depot

never handcraft miners again

[brisk urchin]

lmao true

so should i instandly just take it?

or keep considering

[unique cypress]

I'd take it

[brisk urchin]

yeah ig im fine with my alluminum production for now

[unique cypress]

instant scrap is good but not great. and it needs sulfur

sloppy + electrode is better

[brisk urchin]

then it comes to my mind again

i need to build a better base

[sharp osprey]

How is this for Steel Production? (got alternate solid steel after 7-ish HDD's) It gets 45Beams and 120pipes/min for storage and 16 Encased Beams/min (with my next alternate). Overflows go into alternate Steel Frame and 7.5/min Versatile Frameworks.

[sharp osprey]

got the encased alternate next drive 🤩

[wintry ridge]

Is steel bad without the alt recipe

[unique cypress]

"the" alt recipe? there's a lot of steel and steel related alt recipes that make it better

[wintry ridge]

The one from the message above mine

Cause he spent alot of time getting it so i thougt it was reallt crucial for steel

[unique cypress]

it's one of the good ones, yes

[wintry ridge]

Im like getting overwhelmd with there being so many recipes and i dont know what is good and which to focus on getting

[dawn quartz]

logistical nightmare solved

[wind spade]

the only person who can decide this is you 🙂

[brisk urchin]

u scary, u seem to neutral

[wind spade]

every recipe has its use, up to you if you like it or not

[mossy ibex]

I'm hoping to find a very high resolution version of the world map, ideally with a world grid overlay? I keep wanting to plan layouts and sizes of things in an image editor, but I can't find anything like what I'm looking for. I made one for a small area and it worked fine, but it was a pain to get the scale right and I don't have the whole map.

[spiral geode]

My trick was to upload my save file to SCIM with a factory built on the world-grid and use that to establish scale where .125" = 1m and I built my design file with a .125" grid and snap-to-grid to then plan as needed. What kind of software are you using to plan?

[fluid vector]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1fekus9/alternate_recipe_ranking_10_optimizing_for/

[unique cypress]

nah, it doesn't take recipe combos into account. it's close to useless

and so are all rankings

[mossy ibex]

I could use anything really. I have access to affinity designer, adobe illustrator, and photoshop. Was thinking of sing AffDesigner, but I was hoping to not have to manually do the scaling. Seems like a lot of people would want this and maybe it already exists. I'm not sure how to get the full res map view, I guess people just extract it from the exe? I could slurp it up from SCIM and stitch it together but that seems a bit sus and I keep thinking that surely someone has already done it?

[spiral geode]

Let me get you a clean Adobe Illustrator file. Standby.

[mossy ibex]

ideally I could somehow get all the assets SCIM uses, like the building outlines and stuff, but they don't appear in the repo so I'm guessing they don't want to share really, I'm not trying to pirate from them

[spiral geode]

I'll leave some assets in the file you can use for machines. They aren't top-down outlines but it's the footprint area they occupy based on the Wiki.

[mossy ibex]

amazing, thanks so much

[wind spade]

Useless article tbh

[wind spade]

All recipes are good 🙂

[brisk urchin]

o ma gawd can u stop with that same sentence every time

lmao we know they are but still

[vapid gorge]

technically it's arithmatics

[vapid gorge]

all recipes are 'good' in their situations

for example - Iron Alloy. Needs a bit of copper added to the mix to make a ton more iron ingot. Great if you want to build in a spot that doesn't have enough iron, but the copper nearby isn't being put to use.
depends highly on locations and goals , there's no strictly bad or good recipes 🙂

I would also avoid those tier lists. They basically get you to shut off your brain to what actually might be good in your situation

[fiery magnet]

shoutouts to the alt recipes that straight up give you way more output or let you eschew an item

[vapid gorge]

those will generally take significantly more power + probably water and work to layout, and when you eschew an item it'll increase the use of others

or just swap it for something else

[fiery magnet]

it's certainly more satisfying to choose an alt recipe to utilize what you have on hand efficiently

[vapid gorge]

I will take the Alloy recipes vs Pure recipes every time if I can possibly help it

if I need to use pure it'll be because I'm jsut a tiny bit short on a location and don't want to import a small amount of ore

and then it'll just be enough pure to get the factory by on

[ruby shoal]

Is this a good place for making a computer factory? It has all the materials I need, I think, and the oil there isn't super lucrative so I figured it wouldn't be too much of a waste.

I was going to do it here and use a train to bring the copper and iron to the oil, but I felt like that might be a dumb idea, since that much iron could probably go to something more useful.

[vapid gorge]

plan your factory out - does it have what you need?

picking location/volume/recipes used is something you kinda need to do at the same time. Edit things around as needed

like maybe you find a location that doesn't quite serve your plan, you then tweak it maybe or look for a dif one

[ruby shoal]

Yes, they both have what I need, being Plastic (from the oil) and Copper (for sheets in the computer chips and cables in the computer.

[vapid gorge]

cool, then the only thing you really have to think about is potentially if you think a different factory you need later would suit the area better

but if you haven't unlocked everythign already that's probably not much of an issue for you atm

[ruby shoal]

I just don't know if one is better than the other. The one in the desert is a pretty far ways away from everything else, but I figured it might be better than the one on the beach, especially if I wanted to turn the beach into a power plant

[vapid gorge]

it's very easy to drone low throughput stuff around with 1 drone

so even if you have no train infrastructure in the area it's not really a problem

[ruby shoal]

Yeah, I'm working on Phase 3 lol and figured Computers will probably be useful to have being produced automatically, since they seem to be used in a few different recipes.

[ruby shoal]

Oh, I don't even have drones yet

[vapid gorge]

ah well in that case you can always use dimentional depot to grab stacks of them as needed . you aren't far off from them

[ruby shoal]

True, the depots are quite nice to use

It seems like the desert might be the better option then? Since it's just less to transport overall because everything's so close together.

I did just get trains, so I'm kind of excited to use them. But it would be dumb to use them if I don't really need to.

[vapid gorge]

Logistics is an important factor in factory locations 🙂 just depends on how you want to go about it

if you're very close to finishing phase 3 for example drones aren't far off

but if you want ot automatically move computers before then, a closer location could be simpler for your trains

all choices in the game are really trade offs that highly depend on what you value more 🙂

[ruby shoal]

Agreed, I'm constantly scared my decisions are gonna bite me in the ass later lmao. I've been just trying to find things that seem like they'll be important, and then trying to find the best location to build a factory producing those items. Kinda like an incomplete version of independency.

[vapid gorge]

I think takign a zen approach to the game wil server you well
you can treat all the tiers as a nice tutorial that helps set up production for your own personal goals after phase 5 🙂

just assume nothing you build now will really gel with what you want to do for yourself later

[ruby shoal]

I suppose that's a really good way of looking at it. I don't even know what I'm gonna do after Phase 5, I'm just trying to beat the game lol.

I guess just doing what's easiest/most fun is probably the best course of action. Stuff can always be disassembled later if I decide to go further after the end

[vapid gorge]

sounds good!
and honestly in at least one way this game is like minecraft. Sure you can be done when you finish phase 5, or slay the ender dragon, but that's just a bit of a goal and doesn't touch on everything you can do

I think a lot of people also get a lot from restarting a fresh map with everything you've learned and polish up your skills
though tha'ts not for everyone

[dawn quartz]

I want to get 600 coal/m out of a miner but i only have 270 belts
am i stuck at only 270 coal/m or is there a way i can get 600

[opaque quartz]

You are limited by your belt speed

[wind spade]

More miners

[dawn quartz]

k thanks

[dawn quartz]

its on a single node

[vapid gorge]

yup more miners on more nodes - for most of the game you're miner output is limited by belt speed

[bronze heath]

I have the coal to power 64 coal factories. That requires 2880 water/min or 24 water extractors. Each water extractor makes 120 water/min. Using either mk 1 or mk 2 pipes, how do I distribute the extractors?

I have been ripping hair out over this

[vapid gorge]

whenever you're dealing wit hfluids, keep them in tidy independent chunks whenever possible

!wikisearch CG

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

3:8 is a convenient ratio for both coal and water

[crimson moat]

#math-and-meta message

easy tiling without interconnection, e.g. #screenshots message

[vapid gorge]

In game example

no messing about with clock or anything

[bronze heath]

TYSM!!!

I was trying to max out the throughput. I didn't consider sizing down and only using three.

[vapid gorge]

in all cases, do absolute best to keep fluids in manageble chunks. Easier to keep flow, easier to trouble shoot

[crimson moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1360092382057726003/image.png?ex=685a19bd&is=6858c83d&hm=d61e9d49a55523e6af63089fdc9c1dc3da5f4e412d0c2c0a45f25bf934fcb2be& that's what i meant to link second

[sharp osprey]

For my specific steel factory I wanted solid steel alternate cause it makes more steel ingots from just making the iron ore into iron ingots before combining with coal. Its a bit more efficient for smaller scales so not needed but for mine I wanted it as prefrence for upscalling. Dont get too overwhelmed by Alts there random after all depending on what Tier your in.

[sharp osprey]

Also quick question: **Should I update my steel plan to have the next belt speed in mind (mk3-4)? **(cause that plan is only Mk2 miners with 0 overclock so works with my more abundant mk2 belts rather than mk3 which I have (just not the beams to craft yet.)) If I were to overclock the miners to 200% I could double steel production but I'm worried about power with my 4800MW~ coal. Also overclocking would reduce the amount of individual ore "nodes" I take up in the world / make them more used.

[wind spade]

make what you need now
don't produce things for the future 🙂

[sharp osprey]

Ok thanks (: also really like your Satisfactory tools website.

[vapid gorge]

if you're worry is power, then your problem is building more power 🙂

and if you leave space at the end of a manifold it's pretty easy to upgrade a system if that's what you want

[split sierra]

i'm offtopic now but i usually constrain my coal power to coal

this setup feels nice and doesnt cause water throughput issues since it's 270

[oblique hollow]

I do not get the 0.9 underneath the water extractor

A water extractor makes 120 by default so this should be 2.25, not 0.9

[unique cypress]

It's 0.9 of a fully overclocked one (the red circle represents OC and it's full)

Intuitive, I know 🙃

[oblique hollow]

Thats.... unique, to say the least

[cerulean stratus]

I'm making a "each part is made in one place" playthrough

[ebon portal]

Are cast screws more efficient compared to normal ones?

[outer vale]

define "efficient"

if coming from iron, yes they cut out a step for no change in output

[oblique hollow]

Same material efficiency, one less step

[gloomy relic]

hi, which manifold should i use generally speaking? i know its highly dependant on the product and whatnot, but which one is "better" overall

[outer vale]

whichever fits however you plan to actually route the resources

[gloomy relic]

i personally use 1 because it lets me easily inject and gives me extra freedom, but i saw a lot of youtubers using 3 and dont fully know why

wouldnt that just highly limit your production to your belt tier

[unique cypress]

when you have a recipes that makes about as much as it uses, you use 1 (iron ingot)
when you're using a recipe that takes more items than it makes, you use 2 (iron pipe)
when you have a recipes that makes more items than it takes, you use 3 (iron wire)

[outer vale]

unless you're planning to split those output resources up into multiple sets, in which case 1 or 2 would likely be simpler to group

only practical difference between 1 and 2 is length vs girth

(yes it'd cost a few more splitters to feed the same amount of constructors, but if you're building like this that won't be a practical concern)

[vapid gorge]

each will be better in different situations. Just in terms of layout

[gloomy relic]

im also guessing that 2 and 3 get exponentially better with more belt speed?

and likely just not worth it with slow belt speeds over 1

....maybe?

[unique cypress]

I often do a mix of 2&3 when machines are slow. both in and out manifolds are double sided (except the 2 at the edges)

it all depends on how the ratios work out

[vapid gorge]

no? the middle is often handy for items that expand on production, the right for items that contract

[vapid gorge]

it's strictly a layout and how you want everything to move

[cerulean stratus]

ok me and my friend just got some good recipes

cheap silica, cheap concrete, solid steel, iron alloy and molded beam

now we're just missing molded pipe

[livid hearth]

Hello, is this frame, replate, rotor fabric is good? anyone can help me please?

[vapid gorge]

I mean it's super hard t otell from this image

does it do what you want it to do?

[livid hearth]

yes, but these constructors get very little materials at the end, should I just wait until everything is fully completed and works nicely?

[vapid gorge]

that's how manifolds work.
they take time to spin up, and the last machines will only get just enough materials to run

[livid hearth]

Could I do it better or wait until everything fills up?

[vapid gorge]

do the machines turn on and off?

[livid hearth]

yes, the last ones

[vapid gorge]

it can take time. Especially if you use screws. Just go do something else in the meantime

[livid hearth]

okay thank u 🙂

[opaque quartz]

Manifolds are always limited by your belt tier, regardless of layout

[wind spade]

you can build more than one manifold

[dusky dust]

The other option, assuming you have the material, is to pre-fill the input buffers of the machines. That way the manifold reaches full saturation almost immediately

You can omit filling the final two machines, if you like

Though, as I say, that does assume that you've got the material necessary to pre-fill

[vapid gorge]

@summer hare it's much much easier to trouble shoot in a place yo ucan talk and look at images at the same time

[vapid gorge]

ok have you connected the coal generators to the water extractors as well?

[summer hare]

yes

[vapid gorge]

are the bioburners out of fuel?

[summer hare]

they are turned off

[unique cypress]

post another pic with a belt in your hand. to show the i/o arrows

[vapid gorge]

are the bio burners and the coal gen connected to the miner?

[summer hare]

that is irrelavent, those were there to jsut jump start it, my problem is the elevators not putting the coal into the generator, only when i pick up 1 coal from them and they randomly start working

i dont get how it happens

[vapid gorge]

I'm going from the very start all the way down checking boxes

turn the system on, show an image of the coal belt getting to the manifold to feed the system

[summer hare]

im trying to make it happen again

[vapid gorge]

and?

@summer hare whats the go?

[summer hare]

still waiting

[vapid gorge]

has the coal gotten to the manifold entrance?

[summer hare]

yes

Theres loads of coal right before the entrance

[vapid gorge]

ok an over head image of what is happening there

[unique cypress]

^ @summer hare

[summer hare]

1 sec, found a mk1 conveyor before the entrance, dont think that wouldve caused it tho

[vapid gorge]

that's like the cause of 90% of these issues

[summer hare]

It was between two mk 2s

[vapid gorge]

it's why I wanted teh image

[summer hare]

you gotta be kiddingx me even it being between 2 mk2s?

[opaque quartz]

A mk1 will bottleneck that spot to 60/min

[vapid gorge]

it creates a bottle neck. Why would you think it'd still run 120 across a 60 belt?

[fluid sable]

I am making my first no waste nuclear factory. Is it worth it to use like 8 somersloop to double the energy gain from 15 GJ to 30GJ?

[vapid gorge]

are you just talking about doubling uranium rods?

[fluid sable]

Yeah

[vapid gorge]

if you want to use duping mechanics that's entirely up to you. I don't use soft creative mode things

[opaque quartz]

That’s going to generate twice as much waste FYI. So account for that in your calculations

[unique cypress]

you're gonna get double the waste too

[fluid sable]

I am aware that I will need to double my waste clearer

I clear waste by turning into plutonium rod to sink

[unique cypress]

URods are much cheaper and easier to make than PRods so at that point I'd just make double the uranium and save the sloops for something else

[fluid sable]

I am making 1.2 rod/min with my current build

[vapid gorge]

I'd probably just make a much larger power station. 1.2 isn't very much

[fluid sable]

That's 15GJ

[unique cypress]

15 GW, actually

[vapid gorge]

if you're at a point you need nuclear power, you tend to want at least 100gw

if not 200gw

[fluid sable]

Sorry true

I could duplicate the setup I guess. With mk3 miner and the node I have I need to check how many I can do.

[unique cypress]

yeah, nuclear isn't really worth the effort until 100s of GW

especially anything beyond uranium

[vapid gorge]

nuclear is very much the sort of thing you want to make completely independent from everything else. In like one spot for preference

[fluid sable]

The node I am using is top left biome at the top of the mountain

I build my factory over water xD

It's like 27x57 foundation

[vapid gorge]

those are choice you can make

[fluid sable]

I think it's an impure node I am using

[vapid gorge]

you can always drone in more material

[fluid sable]

With a battery factory

[unique cypress]

also, 1 impure node is up to 7.2 URods/min

[vapid gorge]

or fuel, or uranium rods.

[unique cypress]

plutonium is the obvious choice here

[fluid sable]

For 7.2 mk3 miner full overclock?

[unique cypress]

yes, and infused cell and fuel unit alts

[fluid sable]

Infused cell and fuel unit?

[vapid gorge]

use https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production and check out

[unique cypress]

Infused Uranium Cell and Uranium Fuel Unit

alt recipes

[fluid sable]

I don't have that alt recipe yet

[sharp osprey]

damn. power is not a problem at all my ENTIRE steel production (which includes encased beam assembly, modular frame and versatile frameworks, spare concrete) is only 750MW max and I have 3600MW (4800MW once I unlock Nobelisk coal node). Granted I'm using every node in the area rather than overclocking but still (:

[fallow yew]

Is it really bad to take iron from lots of distant nodes and process them in 1 location? Like use a train for all the ore to get it to one central factory?

[opaque quartz]

If that sounds like a fun project then by all means do it. But there is really no point centralizing iron production given how plentiful it is on the map

You can usually find iron near any other resource node you might need to use

[fallow yew]

Alrighty, thanks!

[brisk urchin]

those are interesting ones

[wind spade]

indeed they are

[tepid crystal]

how much Aluminium Casing and Aluminium Sheet should i made ?

currently i built a factory that can made 1600 Aluminium ingot

[wind spade]

keep the ingots until you know how much you need

e.g. when you're building something that needs 100 casings, make 100 casings from the ingots

repeat until you run out of ingots

[tepid crystal]

i see thank you

[warm ferry]

currently building a modular frame factory I need to split 240 ore into 20/60/133 , when using a manifold lane and a combi of splitters, it doesnt really matter how I set up my factory right? The overflow will split into the rest of my machines right? aslong as my input is equal to my output?

Not sure my question is clearly formulated.

[opaque quartz]

Manifold will self balance as long as input belt speed is high enough to handle the full manifold volume (mk3 belts, in this case)

[thick plank]

ngl, the bleached Iron one really doesnt look all to good. Considering the additional sulfur cost and hassle plus your gonna need water for the sulfu anyways, I would jsut stick to the pure recepies

and therecycling loop is extremely strong

[brisk urchin]

ik ik im not taking any recepies because im saving up

[thick plank]

ah ok, assumed the question was wich one we would prefer sorry

[brisk urchin]

nah dw

i did kind of mean it that way ngl

[thick plank]

very funny, I somehow get the feeling we have the sme laodout (im also producing 1600/min)

[warm ferry]

Is it the same if u use a combi of balancers and manifolds?

[thick plank]

and just saying, if the input belt isnt fast enough, the balancer also wont recieve enough resources and the factory wont work anyways

[warm ferry]

using mk3, So i dont think I have to worry aboyut that, right?

[thick plank]

i mean depends on what your doing

I have builds where I need 6 MK 5 belts

I have builds where one MK 1 is enough

[warm ferry]

this one with a combi of balancers and manifolds

[thick plank]

i usually dont use balancers, not worth the hassle IMO

[opaque quartz]

you need at least mk3 belts here (270/min)

[warm ferry]

Ive got that. Ill be alright

[tepid crystal]

What alternative recipe you using ?

I'm using

Electro - aluminium scrap
Sloppy alumina

I'm also using 1200 Bauxite per minutes

[primal briar]

Will the satisfactory planning tool on steam help me with the maths? Im new and im js tryna make a early game farm

[opaque quartz]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[neat abyss]

why mk4 only transport 270 from 2 mk3(150coal from each side)

[unique cypress]

Mk3 belt somewhere

Or you're only consuming 270

[neat abyss]

shoudnt be but i will check again mayby small mk3 is there after upgrading its ~1km belt

[unique cypress]

If I'm not wrong, items before the mk3 segment should be stuttering, and the items after should be moving smoothly, just with gaps between them. First I'd check inside this merger and other possible splitters/mergers. They can often hide very short segments of belt that can't be removed/upgraded without removing the merger, if you placed the merger on the belt

[thick vigil]

Hi, coming back to the game since it finally has controller support. I'm working on a starting coal plant to fuel my power grid. Got a setup for 60/min of coal and sulfur lined up, just need to build the assemblers, water pumps and generators. Now if only Satisfactory Calculator could help me work out how much of what I need to build it all.

[unique cypress]

Satisfactory Tools can, though not the generators. Also, the game has a todo list that tells you how much items/machines in it cost

[neat abyss]

i found small segment mk3 and items was stopping but only where merger was that why i was confused why only there and not on connection between mk3 and mk4

[thick vigil]

Oh? Phone AP or what?

[unique cypress]

Satisfactory tools is a website

https://satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[neat abyss]

i used https://satisfactory-calculator.com for planing my factory

[unique cypress]

Worst calculator of them all, actually

[neat abyss]

i only used it for basic factory for it was good enough and i didnt know other website

and most factorys i can do without any calc

[thick vigil]

The tools site isn't much better, it seems. I was hoping to be able to sort out the whole supply chain, especially power consumption-wise... Ah well, thanks for the help.

[neat abyss]

sometimes i only check how much i can do from x resources nodes

[deft lichen]

sorry, what are you trying to do?

[unique cypress]

It works for the basics, but breaks down as soon as you add multiple alt recipes

[thick vigil]

Figure out two things. How much of what I need to build, and how much power it will take to sustain a coal plant on 60 compacted coal.

Including the supply side, water pumps and assemblers.

[neat abyss]

mostly i osed it for 2/3 steps for it wasnt big deal for me bc most calc i can do in my head

[thick vigil]

It's not like I can't do it the old fashioned way, I just figured that there had to be a calculator that could handle power production the same way they handle item production. MW output shouldn't be that complicated to manage, I thought.

[deft lichen]

1. overview tab
2. that's just a production line for 60 compacted coal + water extractors?

it doesn't show resource extractors because there are usually more ways to get raw resources

what if you're getting water from a resource well? or as a byproduct from some factory?

[thick vigil]

Not seeing anything like that from either Sat Calc or Sat Tools sites.

[deft lichen]

not seeing which one? the latter?

[thick vigil]

anything like that. To include an 'overview tab'. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong site? I looked up satisfactory tools and the site seems quite minimal.

[deft lichen]

what I sent...is Tools

[thick vigil]

Then share the link?

[deft lichen]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=GnmlQUuC4ZFJulVtbj40 (just a random setup for 10 nuclear pasta with all alts enabled for demonstration)

[deft lichen]

try opening the link again

[thick vigil]

You gave me a link for a nuclear pasta recipe?

[deft lichen]

you said that you're not seeing anything like an overview tab

if you want a setup for 60 compacted coal then

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=YOEoJT8XTRub7qmnFun0

[thick vigil]

I know how to get 60 compacted coal. What I NEED is the breakdown of what is needed to make a power facility function that uses said coal efficiently and how much power the setup will need to be self-sustaining.

[deft lichen]

that "setup" being the generators, compacted coal factory and water supply?

[thick vigil]

Yes

[vapid gorge]

Do you mean the actual layout?

[thick vigil]

But there is no "MW or Power" output option for any of the calculators I've looked at so far.

[deft lichen]

I explained why a calculator can't exist for that: there are many ways to get water, and if it boils down to the amount of water extractors, it's 1 calculation

[vapid gorge]

Power isn’t a recipe . Figure out how many generators you want, how much fuel they need, make that plan

[deft lichen]

target produced power can be calculated as "I want 600 MW, one coal generator produces 75 MW, so I need 600/75 = 8 generators and each consumes 15/min coal, so I need 8 * 15 = 120 coal/min"
or "I want 600 MW, one fuel generator produces 150 MW, so I need 600/150 = 4 generators and each consumes 3/min ionized fuel, so I need 4 * 3 = 12 ionized fuel/min"

[unique cypress]

I think satisfactory logistics might have that? But it kinda sucks in general so I'd never use it over Tools but it might be useful to you. I wouldn't fully trust it to be correct, tho. I've seen its results differ from other calculators, but idk if they were wrong or it just used different recipes (which it still shouldn't but whatever)

[thick vigil]

That's dumb. Everything in the game is calculable and these calculators have options for different alternate recipes and power shards/overclocking/underclocking. People walked right up to the line and said "Nah, I'm good".

[deft lichen]

I don't think that's true. I can solve this in my head but I definitely can't solve oil alt recipe loopbacks

[unique cypress]

Baffles me too. Satisfactory Optimizer can calculate power, but only net power. Seems nobody cares about gross power, because it's so simple to calculate

[deft lichen]

you could have a calculator that solves this for you, but the only figures are (1) target power output, (2) generator output and (3) fuel burn rate

[vapid gorge]

there's 1 or 2 that will plan for power, but the overall planner is so garbage I wouldn't touch them

[vapid gorge]

just divide your fuel output by how much the generator needs

[thick vigil]

That would work for me. I'm not trying to achieve a set amount of power, I'm just trying to create a power plant and feed it it's own power once it's up and running so it stays running.

[vapid gorge]

that's any power plant. Any power system producers much more than it consumes

[deft lichen]

all power plants should be able to power themselves, unless you go nuts with pipeline pumps and such

(running 1 nuclear power plant can be a net negative if you use too many drones in the setup...)

[vapid gorge]

I'll use 1000 trains to move the coal to this 2 coal gen station

[thick vigil]

Right. It's more of a failsafe kind of setup. I have a solid biofuel plant that uses one generator to run itself and feeds a bunch of others to keep my powergrid running. Of course, it's only self-sufficient as long as I keep feeding it. Which is annoying and insufficient in the long-run.

[vapid gorge]

ok sure but if you make a coal power station it'll feed itself. I'm not sure where the worry is coming from

ime, when making power systems. even if you overclock every machine involved 250% youre going ot make 5x more power than you consume

at least

[thick vigil]

I want to know how many of the generators will have to be dedicated to keep it running. But that's only half the question. I want to know how much of which buildings I need to build to get it started in the first place.

[deft lichen]

you can avoid this problem by having 1 shared grid

[thick vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

[deft lichen]

there's not much benefit in keeping it separated, if the "main" grid fails, there's no point in keeping the secondary grid alive

[thick vigil]

Shared power grid leading to mass-black-out when it gets overloaded? Sure I can.

[deft lichen]

the secondary grid will support a generator setup that has stopped because of a power trip

therefore, it won't support anything at all, just running empty

the game provides mitigation methods like power storage and priority power switches for this reason

[thick vigil]

Okay, you're just pissing me off now. I'm sorry, but please stop responding to me @deft lichen . I'm not getting anything useful out of your responses.

[unique cypress]

Believe it or not, but I, a player with 1700 hours in this game and 10 playthroughs, have been using a single grid since hour 10. A blackout is what we in the biz call a "skill issue". There's no unpredictability. You don't have to match supply and demand. It's very simple to not have a blackout. Just keep capacity above max consumption. That's it

Aside from biomass burners running out of fuel, I only had one blackout in god knows how long and it was caused by a bug. Placing 1 single power storage fixed it

[vapid gorge]

satisfactory tools tells you how much power you need and thus how many generators you need

[thick vigil]

I also used to do that. And I've noticed that having multiple power plants go down because one thing tripped the grid means a lot more work to get up and running again. Compartmentalizing things helps in that I can cut a facility that's not needed at the moment off the grid temporarily and flip the switch and the whole network will come back up quickly.

[opaque quartz]

fwiw there are priority power switches researchable in the MAM that allow you to do what you are describing

[vapid gorge]

all you have to do in that situation is disconnect the power station from the grid, and restart it

[opaque quartz]

!wikisearch priority+power+switch

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=priority+power+switch

[thick vigil]

It might IF it actually calculated the system in it's entirety. s

[vapid gorge]

??? it does. what doesn't it calculate?

[thick vigil]

the generators, the water pumps... GASP The miners.

[vapid gorge]

pretty sure it calcs the miners

generators DONT USE POWER

it can't know how many pumps you're going to use becaues it can't know wher'e yo'ure building or HOW you're building

what if you're building this 2km in the sky?

[thick vigil]

No, but they do cost resources to build. Welcome to the other half of the conversation that I've been pointing out.

[vapid gorge]

those resources are static and a one off.

[vapid gorge]

and how do you calculate the JOULES of those parts if you don't know what the recipe chain you're using for them are?

For example Sollid Steel Ingot saves you joules

what you're askign for is just insane

[thick vigil]

Yes, and yet, the cost to build them is calculable in a reasonable manner. If I decide to build a 'sky' power plant, that's a problem for me to figure out. Otherwise it's irrelevant to the conversation.

I don't need that. I just need to know what to put into my 'pocket dimension' when I go to start building.

[opaque quartz]

have you unlocked dimensional depots?

[thick vigil]

Y'all acting like I'm asking for rocket science when I only want what Satisfactory-Calculator already does, but with an output for MW.

[thick vigil]

Not yet, I'm already straining the power grid I have now and for some reason I'd like to have more of it before I set up more.\

[opaque quartz]

dimensional depots don't require power

if you have existing production for base materials, get uploaders going and then you don't have to worry about how much mats you have in your inventory when building, as it replenishes from the depot

[thick vigil]

Alright, I'm sorry but that's not the problem and in-fact is not related to the questions I was asking. I'm moving on with my day. Laters.

[opaque quartz]

Fair enough. You stated that you wanted the calculator to tell you exactly how much material you need in inventory to build, and I’m pointing out that the game (as of 1.0) has a mechanic that obviates that need.

[unique cypress]

Modeler allows you to plan miners and extractors, but I have no clue if it tells you the power production/consumption of the thing you set up.

If not, there's Optimizer. Compared to other calcs, it sucks to use because it's text based but at least I'm pretty sure it's capable of calculating everything you want. Well, except machine building costs, but it gives you the counts and you can add them to the in-game to-do list

[cosmic stratus]

is there any like simple-ish way to make 60 iron ingots into stitched plates

like what ratios do things need to do

[vapid gorge]

it's much easier to figure out your desired output first and work backwards

otherwise use a planner

[vapid gorge]

just turn off the SAM ore or converter machine

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

personally though, when starting a new game, I just make 1 part per node and smoosh them together as needed

@ruby shoal ok so in general you want pipes to be as simple as possible point A to B

[thick vigil]

Hey!!! And we have a winner! This is exactly what I was asking for!

[vapid gorge]

branching pipes like this can work but is often less stable.

[ruby shoal]

Okay, mainly just because fluids are natrually less stable than solid elements, right?

[vapid gorge]

well fluids are bi directional. they aren't belts 🙂

which means shape and elevation changes can affect things

with the example you've given, if it's flat, and you flood the system by having a couple gens at like 50% at first? it'll probably work w/o anything else

this is partially because it's a fairly short manifold

[ruby shoal]

Right. I've been following some advice of letting gravity take care of most things as far as fluids go, so I've bene building pipes above the inputs and outputs of machines. Like this.

[vapid gorge]

that's fine, though it honestly probably doesn't do much

if anything. as long as it's at least level you won't hit issues with that part of the pipeing

[ruby shoal]

Gotcha. So as long as I let all the generators prefill, the branching manifold I drew up should work fine, right?

[vapid gorge]

it should yes.

at least in my experience. But I always suggest making hte simplest layouts you can, as they'll have the fewest issues

[ruby shoal]

I thought that was the simplest layout. Do you have a suggestion on what could be better? Even if I don't need to use it here, I'm sure it'll probably come in handy later

[thick vigil]

And so I can use 2 of the 8.4 generators to make sure the entire system is continuously supplying itself, even if the grid goes down. Perfect!

[vapid gorge]

this is simpler as it has no branches

[ruby shoal]

Ohhh, I see. It feels weird building like that, but I definitely see what you mean

[vapid gorge]

well there's a bunch of soft rules to pipes
most can be bent or broken if you know what you're donig and willing to put the time into the design

for example short manifolds are more stable and you can get away with being a bit lazier with them

so if you keep your mk2 pipes to only like 400 flow manifolds you'll run into fewer problems and have to think about them less

what you have here is flat (good) short (good) branched (less good)
at worst you might have to put pumps here to keep the direction going

[ruby shoal]

Oh, that's not too much of an issue. Though I do plan to have more generators than what I drew. Like I said in main chat, I can supply 17.5

[thick vigil]

Why not this?

[ruby shoal]

Doesn't that create an issue in the middle pipe where water traveling in two directions meet?

[hardy sail]

I remember there being a channel dedicated to this but I can't find it..

Tell me if I'm in the wrong place and I'll go elsewhere, but I'm trying to decide which recipe to take

[thick vigil]

Maybe, I'm not an expert in Satisfactory fluid dynamics or anything. But I usually build something along those lines and drop in a fluid buffer on that section to help keep pressure evened out when pumps inevitably start kicking on/off because they're never quite stable about things.

[thick vigil]

If you don't choose you can 'reserve them from the pool and just keep researching hard drives to find recipes you actually want.

[hardy sail]

oh fr? cool! I only just jumped back in last time I played was in 2023 lol so im a little rusty

[vapid gorge]

I would proablaby then just split the refineries into 2 groups and feed each line

[vapid gorge]

You are never locked out of recipes, there's more hard drives on the map than alt recipes

choose a recipe that you might need for your next factory, for example if you're bbuilding rotors or motors next, copper rotor could be useful

if not, pick at random or rescan it then repeat the process

[ruby shoal]

A bit hard to split into two groups when there's 7. Looks like I'm just gonna need to trial and error this for a while

[vapid gorge]

clock them properly

[ruby shoal]

How would I ensure that? I have 160 HOR to use, and each machine by default requires 22.5. So if I wanted to split it between 8, would it just be 160/8? Underclocking them all to 20% does not seem right, but I've always been abysmally terrible at math.

[vapid gorge]

Or you can just clock 3 of them to producer teh same as the other four?

or just have 2 rows of generators with different amount of generators
or the same amount of generators on each side just clocked differently

clocking is the single most powerful logistic management tool you have.

so for the group of three you could have 2x 100% + 1x 150% = 350%
and the group of four you could have 3x100% +1x 50% = 350%

this is one of the things you learn going step by step with the tiers - plan more than one step at a time especially with fluids

[fallow siren]

it actually does
everything ranging from power, how much shards/sloops youre using, even the overall sink points from end product

[wooden jasper]

I feel like I'm losing my mind (diary of a wimpy kid?)

Currently I'm trying to make 2400 RIP/min but the oil transportation and conversion to rubber for the rubber RIP alt is killing me

I know I'll benefit from it a lot, mostly because the HOR from making all that rubber will generate more power than the factory will take when it's done, but also the raw amount of materials and their distance apart from each other is pretty crazy

[vapid gorge]

what's the problem?

[formal prawn]

Is there a better site then https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production for figuring out materials needed?

Was working fine for Uranium Fuel Rod production, but it appears bugged on Plutonium Fuel Rod.

I had all base/alt recipes toggles, all buildings/items etc. It simply doesn't know how to compute a result it seems.

[opaque quartz]

you have to input the uranium waste into the production plan

[formal prawn]

bah, I figured the waste was the problem, but didn't see it in recipe. I guess because it acts differently than recipes.

[opaque quartz]

yeah, because there is no "recipe" for it, technically

[formal prawn]

Hmm, waste from production drop down? Not seeing it.

[wind spade]

there never was a channel dedicated for this

and there never is a "better" choice, all recipes have their use and you can get them all, so pick one that you like

[vapid gorge]

go to inputs tab, type in plutonium waste

enter the amount you'll be making

[formal prawn]

Dang, these planners seem useful, but hard to properly use. I know its off because I did the math and making/burning 4 Uranium Fuel Rods /min will yield 200 waste. So I'm trying to make use of that. Yet the initial results show only 150 is being used. Oi Vey.

EDIT: Ok, issue was my math. Seems I needed to aim to make more P fuel rods to consume my 200 waste off*

[long bridge]

@vapid gorge This is roughly what it looks like. 20 Refineries that need 30/min and a 600/min crude pipe coming in. The bottom line runs from end to end with the crude coming in the middle. the top line connects to each refinery with a junction

[vapid gorge]

I'd feed the top. but it will probably work

[vapid gorge]

but the more junctions you have feeding machines the less stable it'll be. This will probably be fine as it's the oil step

better to have shorter manifolds in general though, so having 2 refs fed off 1 junction

[long bridge]

okay, that makes sense. thank you

[vapid gorge]

yeah no stress. Post the oil step, if you want more leeway in your set ups, run it at like 400 or something

[long bridge]

ive been doing 480

12 of those crude refineries make 480 HOR which goes to 16 refineries to make 960 DPF

[vapid gorge]

yeah that'll make your life easier 🙂

[timber forge]

Is making a heavy turbo fuel setup worth it in 1.1 or should I skip until rocket fuel?

[wooden jasper]

what tier are you in

[timber forge]

Oil. Just preparing to make computer + HMF factories

I tapped into western oil fields for some recycled plastic/rubber. Got 2 more untapped oil nodes

[wooden jasper]

hmm idk I usually don't bother with sulfur/compacted coal until tier 7 so I wouldn't know

I personally would take a pure oil node and do all turbo blend fuel until you get miner mk3 so you can get more sulfur out of it, then you can easily add on more machines to refine the fuel into turbo fuel

What does your power grid look like

[vapid gorge]

I mean, you can skip both for nuclear.

it's simple and each nuclear gen is worth 10x fuel

[wooden jasper]

Biomass burner only run

[timber forge]

Oh snap, forgot about the blender. Yeah, I'll skip until next tier then. Got 8GW of power should be enough for phase 3

[wooden jasper]

Yeah probably

I think I'll have 60gw power before phase 4 😵

I made a foolish but potentially useful decision to make 2400 RIP

The oil involved in it makes a net positive on my power grid anyway because I'm using rubber and plastic in the thousands, so lots of HOR will be a byproduct

[timber forge]

We're still doing HOR - Diluted Fuel - Recycled plastic/rubber flow?

Need plastic for computer city

[wooden jasper]

I don't have either of the recycled recipes yet

I'm using crude oil > residue recipe > residual rubber

[timber forge]

That's way too far. Gonna need more power until then

[wooden jasper]

The HOR will be diluted also because water is basically free and canisters literally are free

[vapid gorge]

diluted fuel can give you plenty until tier 7

and you can kick start it with power storage.

hell, I'm usually on my 96 coal gen power station until tier 7

[wooden jasper]

96

iirc 600 crude oil makes 16gw power if you use diluted fuel

[vapid gorge]

@livid vessel
I'm very willing to teach you how to do this, but you need to participate.

for example a basic image of how you've set things up from over head and I can teach you everything you need to know

[livid vessel]

Its a freaking wreak

[long bridge]

erm i think 600 makes 20 GW (not accounting for what you use to produce) if you use diluted and HOR alts

im still working on my power plant, but its 1800 crude and makes 4800 fuel, divided by 20 is 240 fuel gens at 250 MW each is 60 GW

[vapid gorge]

that's fine 🙂

[livid vessel]

sent dm

[wind spade]

why do people keep insisting to go to DMs

it just doesn't make any sense, why limit the people who can help and limit reach whom that can help

[livid vessel]

i go to dms because if many people are trying to help me i get overstimulated and break down in tear and shut myself away for a few weeks from people

[wind spade]

nobody else is responding

[wooden jasper]

Even better 😈

[crimson moat]

why do people keep insisting to go to DMs

There are couple of peeps infamous for harassing others when they're having a conversation in here, so people use other channels instead

[wooden jasper]

Real

[wind spade]

eh, those are usually dealt with by

I haven't yet seen a moderator ping that was left unanswered

sometimes it takes a while, which is obvious, people don't sit here 24/7 waiting for a ping to respond 🤷

[crimson moat]

Stuff sometimes sits for months+ without mod evaluation or action. I have a list which goes back to February - at that time the moderation ticket bot was down for weeks, i DM'd 3 mods about it to inform them of this and ask about how else to raise a moderation issue, and all of those DM's are still unanswered. As far as i know, they were never read and no mods were aware that the ticket system was not functional for weeks before March 5'th, or about the other issues that i raised. What's the next move, DM them every day and probably get banned myself for harassing them?

I know loads of people who have either left the server or have most of their community interaction elsewhere (such as dm's and other servers) because of the lack of moderation. No issues with the rules, only enforcement of those rules is extremely rare or non-existent for some of them. I'm sure that there are many peeps willing and able to help if required.

[thick vigil]

I don't remember splitters swallowing Lift ends this hard previously. Is this right, or is the game just messing with me?

[wooden jasper]

I think that's been possible before 1.1

[thick vigil]

Ah, ok I haven't played in a while, my hands don't like it when I try to play games with WASD controls.

[wooden jasper]

Idk about if it would go to that extent but it definitely has had the potential to overlap to a big degree with lifts

[wind spade]

idk about that, but practically every moderator ping I saw or ticket I made, there was a reply or action within 24 hours, "worst" I've seen was a complex case with a lot to go through where the reply was within 48 hours

can't talk about cases I haven't seen obviously 🤷

||fuck this new internet, so unreliable||

[kindred carbon]

Why are you still using the old reply feature

[quick gorge]

That isn't a feature that is just markdown commonly known to be used in quoting someone.

[oblique hollow]

Its purpose is quoting afaik

[thick vigil]

There we go, 2 of 7 Coal generators keeping the wheels greased so the others will always have fuel.

[hardy sail]

is 20/min reinforced plates both viable and enough to get me through pre-coal early game

heres my rough plan

ive got underclocking unlocked atp so I can achieve the 4.8x constructors

got 2 pure nodes and will hand make reinforced plates for tier 2 belts for this factory