math-and-meta

[umbral barn]

so dont stress?

[unique cypress]

unless the imbalance gets bigger

[umbral barn]

like that?-

[unique cypress]

yeah, a delta of 120 is more than I'd expect

still, could be due to varying belt lengths

my balancers are a lot more compact and everything is much closer together

[umbral barn]

and im assuming the transfer rate can just be fixed with extra trains?-

[unique cypress]

yes

6 stops on one train is a lot

even without any distance to drive, that's already only 1k/min/platform transfer rate

(for mk5 belt and uranium ore)

[umbral barn]

why would it be 1k a min?

[unique cypress]

because each docking takes 30 seconds. 6 stations, and it's already at least 3 minutes to drive the route

this is what throughput per platform looks like for 1 train, 2 mk5 belts per platform, stack size 100

[umbral barn]

howd you get it down to 1 train then?\

[unique cypress]

this is per platform

so you need more platforms/wagons

[quaint vale]

is there a ration of water extractors to coal generators?

[dusky dust]

The usual ratio recommended is 3 water extractors to 8 coal gens. Keep in mind that the throughput limit of any segment of mk1 pipe is 300/min, so you need to do some creative piping to make that work

(Honestly it's slightly weird that we always recommend that but then also turn around and tell people to keep pipe systems as simple as possible, because the 8:3 piping isn't as simple as possible, but c'est la vie!)

Search for "coal-powered generator" on the wiki for some diagrams of piping arrangements which work, if you don't want to have to experiment for yourself

[quaint vale]

oh that's slightly annoying, gotta try to find a bigger lake than

[dusky dust]

Keep in mind there's a lot of places on the map where there's coal right next to pretty sizeable lakes; it's well worth seeking one of those spots out

Ideally you're not moving either the coal or the water more than a couple hundred meters or so

[quaint vale]

ok

is there a marked map so i can see the ideal places?

[dusky dust]

SCIM (https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map) is the usual thing people use, though keep in mind that it's basically a full-spoiler map

If you started in Grass Fields, just follow your Coal-scanner results north/northwest

[quaint vale]

is it worth it to go 100k for a good spot?

[opaque quartz]

The game encourages you to spread out. If there’s a good spot for power, build there and run power lines to your other factories. There is no distance limit or transmission losses on power

[crimson moat]

to simplify you can do stuff like this #math-and-meta message

that is 88.88 clock on gens to make it 3:1 with a smaller overall unit and simpler pipes.

[umbral barn]

stupid question but are belt balancers always consistent? I just tested my 3:3 and i had a box with 200, one with 202, and one with 198 (i tested it via 3 freight platforms)

[unique cypress]

Being off by 2 is fairly normal with this kind of test

To properly test a balancer, you should use a few thousand items, or a constant flow and throughput monitors

[umbral barn]

ah

also how do i properly space my trains out?

im tryna make sure i dont have 2 or 3 trains arrive all at once

if anything i want them to arrive as the buffers empty ;w;

[unique cypress]

Depart when empty/full does that automatically

[vapid gorge]

considering the game is only 7k across, no

[umbral barn]

sir... there are 6 stops and 3 trains...

how???

[vapid gorge]

have a waiting area in front of hte station.

but also this is one of the reasons doing long loops with many stops can be a problem.
For example, if you're loading different amounts per car , making them wait until full could back up other platforms.

the system is much easier to handle when you're doing 1 train between two points

[umbral barn]

a waiting area???

[vapid gorge]

empty rail off the main line in front of the station.

[unique cypress]

Set the unload station and the last load station before that to depart when empty/full, the others to one load completed

It should automatically delay the trains correctly

[vapid gorge]

it takes up a lot of space though potentially

[unique cypress]

Or at least it did the last time I did it 🤷‍♂️

[umbral barn]

couldnt that potentially fuck up the balancing setup you helped me make?-

[unique cypress]

Recently, I started doing multiple trains instead - one per load station

[unique cypress]

No, because it's gonna do all wagons at once.

It'd only mess up the balance if you didn't load/unload a wagon
But I don't see how that could happens

[umbral barn]

also i had an issue with setting it to wait until empty/full and wait 0 seconds, it uhm, just unloads and then leaves, completely disregarding the wait its supposed to do

[unique cypress]

Sounds like it did what it was supposed to do?

[umbral barn]

why did i think it would leave after the fucking platform was empty 😭

[unique cypress]

No, it'll leave after it is empty (or full)

[umbral barn]

oh good point

also uhm... my buffers are filling up and are becoming completely full, is that a bad thing?-

[vapid gorge]

yes

[umbral barn]

shit well uhm, how do i handle that

like make an overflow before it hits the isc?-

[vapid gorge]

well it sounds like your system just can't handle the throughput

which is often the case if you have many trains stopping at 1 station

[umbral barn]

well its supposed to move 2100 a min

[vapid gorge]

per platform?

[umbral barn]

total

[boreal canyon]

So what is the most effecient way to produce normal fuel to get the best ratio of crude oil to fuel?

[umbral barn]

this is the setup

[umbral barn]

dilued packaged fuel or diluted fuel if you have blenders

[vapid gorge]

I can't see the whole system, nor can I see the whole length of it, or how yo uset anything up, or what stacks the items you're moving stack to

but it sounds like you have a throughput issue

either because you're just tryign to move too much in an ok designed system or you have an accidental bottle neck somewhere

[unique cypress]

Heavy oil residue and diluted (packaged) fuel

[vapid gorge]

oil -> heavy oil residue -> diluted fuel

[vapid gorge]

I would guess that with all the stops you added and extra trains the platforms can't handle it

[umbral barn]

that is the whole system in terms of offloading, belts are mk 5 and im moving uranium

heres the thing it worked fine before i implemented the balancer

[vapid gorge]

yes but I don't know how many platforms youre using where or how long all the total trips are. It just sounds like you don't have enough throughput

[umbral barn]

5 stops for loading, one unload, each loading stop is balanced as well

[unique cypress]

If you have 3 5-long trains, it should be enough for 2100/min up to 22 minutes round trip

I sincerely doubt you have more than that

[vapid gorge]

yeah that's not great. Like, is it impossible to set up a system like that? no. But you need a lot more platforms at each station to manage it splitting it over them.

It's really up to you at this point. Doing what you're doing is like spinning a bunch of plates on sticks. Doable with practice and knowledge. do it if you think it's fun
but if you just want a working system don't do this

[umbral barn]

yeah and the incoming is sitting in the mid/high 700s on each frieight platform

[unique cypress]

That's 3500 total though?

[umbral barn]

thats the incoming per min -.-

[vapid gorge]

and mk5 belts?

[unique cypress]

Yeah that's what you said? I don't see how that's an issue

You're not trying to move more than that

[vapid gorge]

wait wait wait.
how many platforms at each loading station, how many at the unloading?

[umbral barn]

idk its showing this which shouldnt even be possible

[umbral barn]

5 platforms at each loading station, being fed by 1 mk 3 miner

[vapid gorge]

and unloading station?

[unique cypress]

Buffers draining probably Leave it running for a while

[umbral barn]

also 5, tbh at this point i think its the balancer since i calculated it to be moving 2100 uranium a min and the minimum amount of belts that can do is 3 mk 5 belts

[vapid gorge]

ok so it's impossible.

you said 5 loading stop, each with 5 platforms being fed by 1xmk3 miner correct?

[umbral barn]

no the buffers are backed up, like so backed up the station itself is full

[unique cypress]

On the load or unload side?

[umbral barn]

correct, 1 mk3 miner at each at 250%

i can send overa pic of the route

[vapid gorge]

so logic it out.

each outward platform is handling nearly a full node, but the INCOMING platform you're asking it to handle FIVE nodes

platforms have limited throughput

[umbral barn]

at unload, the balancer itself is also consistently stopping

[unique cypress]

There are buffers on the load side as well. Those need to empty first

[vapid gorge]

5 stops x 700pm being loaded into each platform = 3500pm from that one train car.
this is physically impossible to unload at the platform

[umbral barn]

where did you get 700 pm from?

[vapid gorge]

look, your descriptions of your systme has been really piecemeal and confusing. You can write out a diagram of the whole thing, with numbers going to and from each platform at every stop. That's really the only way to solve this.
But it sounds like you're trying to cram far far far more than yo ucan ever deliver at yoru unloading station

[unique cypress]

You're currently putting in less than you're pulling out. Eventually, they have to equalise. As long as they equalize at 420/min/platform and 2100 total, you're fine

[umbral barn]

heres the thing

they are empty... and the loading stations are showing around this number (within ten on the normal nodes and within 100-110 on the impure))

minus station 5

which is having some issues with the loading buffers

the platforms are full

but not the isc

this idiot isnt loading...

and this is the one set to wait for full

[vapid gorge]

again, would need a detailed diagram of what you're doing.

[umbral barn]

how?-

[vapid gorge]

paint. or a piece of paper and a pen

another reason why A to B trains are simpler. You can debug them much faster

here we have to look at all the details of 6 stations to see what the hell is going on

[jovial creek]

hey so im planning on setting up fuel gens and my idea was for my first plant just have a full 600/m oil comming from one pure node. Would that be an issue due to backflow as i would be running a full pipe to 10 different refinery's?

[umbral barn]

well this is what the route looks like (i can see the radiation 😭)

[vapid gorge]

you generally don't need to do anything with raw oil fed to the refineries unless your pipe layout is weird/bumpy

[vapid gorge]

sorry buddy, would need tons of detail. And that looks like an insanely long route. I highly doubt you have the throughput for it

[jovial creek]

so i can just have 10 refineries each taking 60 oil from one node with no issues?

in a manifold layout

[vapid gorge]

often yes.

it's the secondary steps in fluid where you more often need a loop

[jovial creek]

just checking because i had someone bring up the issue of backflow regarding running a full water pipe into different coal gens being not ok due to backflow so i was hoping i wouldnt run into the issue if i ran a 600m pipe of oil

[vapid gorge]

the thing with fluids is there's no all purpose solution to what ever you do.
for example in this situation you might need to pre flood the system, but if your oil is coming from below kinda weird, you could need a powered pump

[umbral barn]

this is fun...

[vapid gorge]

if there's some other turbulence happening due to the shape you could need a loop, like so

[jovial creek]

by preflood would setting up an initial buffer tank of 2.4k for exmaple letting the system run then disconnecting the buffer tank be fine

[jovial creek]

oooo okay thanks for this ill save this incase

[vapid gorge]

no. Just under clock a few machines

[jovial creek]

oh yeah good point lol

[vapid gorge]

avoid buffers

[jovial creek]

it would have just been temporary to artificially increase the oil production

but yes underclocking would be easier

[vapid gorge]

still, buffers can easily mess with flow

[jovial creek]

true p[lus im at 600 already lol it would have done nothing

[vapid gorge]

and if you're running it at 600 a buffer can't force more than 600 down a path anyway

[jovial creek]

yup thank you for the help once again

i appreciate it lots

[vapid gorge]

there's basically always a simpler more reliable method than using a fluid buffer in ever yfluid situation

except for trains

and no problem 🙂

[jovial creek]

im currently storing the by product of rubber and plastic in like 12 different fluid tanks while i was unlocking the packager

oh shit speaking off i need to go drain them

[vapid gorge]

turn the heavy oil residue to coke, sink it. Great source of early points

[jovial creek]

i was going to do that but i really want to stop using solid biofuel for my jetpack so im jjust using that excess to tunr it into packaged fuel just formyself. ill have it going to a dimensional with an overflow into an awwesome sink. not many points but points regardless

[vapid gorge]

oh sure some packaged fuel is great. make sure to sink the excess

[jovial creek]

its only an excess of 40/m fuel anywas so it wouldnt be much petroleum so i figured why not upgrade my own fuel

[vapid gorge]

oh and solid biofuel is garbage for the jet pack, turn solid biofuel -> liquid biofuel. Arguably much better than regular packaged fuel

[crimson moat]

use liquid biofuel, it's massively better than both

[jovial creek]

but how do i get liquid biofuel?

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch liquid_biofuel

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=liquid_biofuel

[vapid gorge]

don't remember off hand

[jovial creek]

as in i get its from solid biofuel but how do i get solid biofuel without having to cut down treews

[vapid gorge]

ah well you can kill beasts

mulch the meat down. But that's the down side of liquid bio fuel. Can't be fully automated

[crimson moat]

you cut down a few trees, sloop the constructors/refinery/etc and then you make enough liquid biofuel to fly around for 1000 hours easily

[vapid gorge]

but it's great for the jetpack

[jovial creek]

nah its fine idm using fuel i dont like using non sustainable methods

ok fine when u say great. how much greater

[vapid gorge]

much longer burn time.

more flexibility.

[crimson moat]

53s instead of 17s hover time

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch Jet_pack

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Jet_pack

[jovial creek]

oh wtf

[vapid gorge]

I think there's a list of the fuels on there

[jovial creek]

a 4x increase

[crimson moat]

Ya nothing truly replaces it until ionized fuel at endgame

[vapid gorge]

I think you don't get as much vertical lift with it, but the jet pack really isn't about vertical lift for most of the game

[jovial creek]

yeah and it would mean i dont need to make empty canisters

[crimson moat]

regular Fuel is garbage, it has less vertical lift than liquid biofuel

[vapid gorge]

well you do needto package the liquid biofuel to carry with you

[jovial creek]

yes true another good point

[crimson moat]

rocket fuel is good at lift and maneuverability, but not duration, so still want some liquid bio on hand

[vapid gorge]

you could carry it in your dimentional depot stack or something so you only use it when you're realy exploring maybe? or just use sloops to get 8x as much fuel

[jovial creek]

8x as much?

isnt it only 2x?

[vapid gorge]

if you double every step it goes 2x 4x 8x

[crimson moat]

You get 2x going from leaves/wood/meat to biomass, then 2x going to solid, then 2x going to liquid. So 8x

[jovial creek]

oh shit thats genius. im convinced

[vapid gorge]

maybe 16x, I don't remember how many steps there are

[jovial creek]

so what about the 40 fuel/m? just petroleum coke and sink it?

[vapid gorge]

shrug if you want. You could do a small fuel power station I suppose

I tend to dislike smaller power stations scattered around, but you're not me

[jovial creek]

no point im setting up a huge 20 fuel gen power station rn

[vapid gorge]

fair 🙂

[jovial creek]

yeah im the same anyways id rather have it centralised rather than random ones

[vapid gorge]

😄 wait until you get make a good sized diluted fuel set up somewhere 😄

[jovial creek]

ok so coke the excess fuel setup a mini biofuel thing with sloop and the 600 oil can go in one pipe and if any problems loop it as u showed me or try uncerclock

[crimson moat]

you also dont need to leave the sloops in, because it makes 300 liquid biofuel per minute with oversloop. That means that 1 minute of slooped liquid biofuel can last 10 hours of actual gameplay. If you sloop a batch for 15 mins, you will just never run out for weeks

[vapid gorge]

well you probably want to underclock initially to flood all the machines and pipes.
it can help flow issues and it's a good trouble shooting signal, because if your fluid levels drop in the pipes and machiens you know there's a problem

[jovial creek]

which is great ebcasue i have only 7 sloop right now anyways

how muhc sloop is it for the total 8x

[vapid gorge]

not sure sorry.

[crimson moat]

i think only 4

[jovial creek]

oh ok perfect

[crimson moat]

constructor, constructor, refinery

[vapid gorge]

been a long while since I made a slooped biofuel thingo

[jovial creek]

also real quick. this bugs me for sdome reason but what if i like. lose a summersloop somewhere?

i really hate losing things

[crimson moat]

you can save edit and add it back in

[vapid gorge]

somewhere as in used in a machine? or in a box?

[crimson moat]

using SCIM https://satisfactory-calculator.com/

[opaque quartz]

or use SCIM to find where you left it

[crimson moat]

it's not cheating if you're meant to have it

[opaque quartz]

Only way to truly lose one is flush it down the toilet in the hub

[jovial creek]

ok ok thank you

time to set this up

[vapid gorge]

I don't use them for anything but weird little set up likes that or power slugs so don't really bother keeping track of them

[jovial creek]

wait how would i go about adding it jsut in case ofr the future is it i just command line it in or something. just asking because im going complete vanilla and havent edited any settings as well as wanting to get achievements etc so would i vbe able to add one in, in case anything happens, without changing anything of the sorts

[jovial creek]

yeah ill probably never need them all but its just a little thing in the back of my head yk

[crimson moat]

there's an easy save editing GUI on there, and it doesn't affect achievements

[jovial creek]

awesome ty

[crimson moat]

i know what ya mean, it sucks on some games when you're 300 hours in and you have a bug delete the best sword or something 😄 😄

[jovial creek]

yeah i feel better knowing in case anything like that happens i can add it back or something.

im currently 50 hours into my first ever playthrough of this game and honeslty im loving it. its all ive been doing and i styarted literally an hour after 1.1 came out so my timing was perfect

also since im using these i thought i may as well ask is it a good idea to have like a system like this to asccomodate excess power temporarily

i just have a 100 of these batteries for what i hoope is the right reason

10kMWH is crazy for me

[wind spade]

*GWh

[crimson moat]

Yes, in fact it's quite neccesary to be efficient in lategame as machines have variable, high power consumptions. If you don't have energy storage then you need to build more power generation to accomodate it.

There's also random stuff like you might overclock+sloop something temporarily and don't want to blow your grid for that.

[wind spade]

kMWh doesn't exist 🙂

[jovial creek]

the k is for 1000 since i wass shortening 10000 mwh

but yes i could have just said GWh mb

[wind spade]

and the M is for 1000000 and you are only allowed one prefix with SI system

[jovial creek]

ok thank you noted :)

[wind spade]

(also 10 GWh is shorter than 10 kMWh 😛 )

[umbral barn]

idk how the fuck this happened but now its empty constantly...

[jovial creek]

@vapid gorge just realised when checking recipes that it would be silly to produce packaged fuel anywas as i would need to divert 20 of my 40 plastic just for the canisters

[vapid gorge]

I mean pakcaged fuel is great for automated systems like trucks. So it really just depends on what you want to do. liquid bio fuel for an automated system is probalby more effort than it's worth

[jovial creek]

yeah i have alot of excess monster parts anyways

honeslty beautiful removed the fuel storage's replaced the recipe to coke ion the refinery managing the by product and oc to 1.5x and boom sinked it.

no need to mess with pipes

which has also doubled my points per minute

thank u guys alot for the tips

50METRES HEADLIFT W MK2 PUMPS YESSSSS

[umbral barn]

whats the max time you can transport 2100 items a min for before it impacts thruput?

[crimson moat]

per train platform with mk.6 belts?

2100 takes 52 seconds to fill the container and then 27 seconds to move it on/off the train, so that's already impossible because 52+27 = >60. Max is like 1600-something (and realistically 1200 if you don't wanna hate your life)

[umbral barn]

well im moving all the uranium in the world on one route and the round trip time is <15 minutes, its being loaded evenly among 5 freight platforms at each loading stop (5) and then unloaded evenly at the unload point

[crimson moat]

if you use 1 train with 5 carts and a 15min round trip, and you fill all carts on every trip around, you would move about half of that.

To have good margins you need 5 min round trip, around 3x carts, or 3x train count.

you can pretty much fix that by just putting 4+ identical trains on the route with block signals spaced out far (like every 20% of the track). That makes trains arrive 3-4x more frequently and spreads them out across the track so that you don't have 4 come in at once and then none for 15min.

for 1 train only, you would need more like 15 carts. That also needs more buffers, because loading/unloading is done at 15min interval which is very long. E.g. you need at least ~31,500 uranium in the unloading point (7 ISC's) so that it doesn't run out between trips

[vapid gorge]

please just consider dedicating 1 train per station, and just going between tehre and delivery one of several delivery point stations

[umbral barn]

Every 20%? When I did my signaling i had it so one block fits one train

[crimson moat]

That's fine if you have many trains on the track or for a short track, but with a huge track and only 3 or 4 trains, making blocks like that can result in them trending towards being all clumped up in one section of the track.

If we have 4 trains and a train is less than say 15% of the track ahead of our current train, we want to wait to space out a bit more rather than get closer together.

[umbral barn]

TwT
How do I figure out how much space is 15-20% of the track?

This is the route for reference (stops numbered)

[crimson moat]

can mostly just guess, doesn't have to be exact. I think [number of trains]+1 or [number of trains]+2 blocks is optimal

[thorn trail]

SCIM has a measuring tool if you want to use that

[crimson moat]

It's just that if you have 50 blocks then you might have a train in block 41, another in 42, another in 43, another in 44 meanwhile the other side of the track has nothing - and that can massively increase your need for buffers as well as generally screw up your throughput because stations cannot load trains back-to-back, they have a "recharge time" to fill with resources due to it being rate limited. So a train coming in every couple of minutes is good, having 3 trains queued at 1 station is not good.

[umbral barn]

Oh yeah def, even if I have no clue what constitutes a block TwT
(I think a block is one rail segment?-)

[crimson moat]

yeah

you could prolly just put a block signal after every station and be fine

that way a train won't leave station #2 until the previous train left station #3 already.

[umbral barn]

:0

I could have 6 trains

[crimson moat]

You just need at least 1 more block than train count because otherwise train 1 can be waiting for train 2 which is waiting for train 3 which is waiting for train 4 which is waiting for train 5 which is waiting for train 6 which is waiting for train 1, and nothing happens (deadlock)

[umbral barn]

I'd probably do 18 blocks, 1 block for each station then a block between each station

[crimson moat]

that's 12? 😄

[umbral barn]

Look I've been fucking with belt balancers all day and now my brain is fried

Also i didn't know this but you can see radiation on the map with satisfactory calculator and i think it's super cool

[vapid gorge]

you have too many trains dropping off at one station as it is

[crimson moat]

A train coming into a station every 2-3 minutes is fine

[patent blaze]

how many trains would i need for 12300 bauxite?

guess i can just copy paste another railway next to it for sulfur and coal, they total 12300 aswell

[vapid gorge]

entirely depends how yo uset up the system

[patent blaze]

true, im thinking about making a loop through pink forest out to the edges of the map

will probably need to add another separate loop for sulfur and coal, since they're more spread out

water is also another question, might set up a packaging plant and have a water train

[vapid gorge]

have multiple delivery stations accepting the bauxite - have a dedicated train between that and each pick up station

[vapid gorge]

just process it next to water?

[patent blaze]

still not sure where i wanna build it, wanna keep it away from nuclear to minimize lag

[vapid gorge]

near water 😛

[patent blaze]

:)

was thinking maybe in the ocean east of the swamp

since the train does a loop it doesn't really matter since there are bauxite nodes out there

[vapid gorge]

I don't understand what about them doing a loop matters on that

and technically any 2 way rail is a 'loop'

[patent blaze]

wasn't there a map of "natural" roads somewhere?

[fallow siren]

scim has a toggle to show natural roads on the map

[patent blaze]

thats exactly what i was looking for, thanks

[unique cypress]

At that point it'd be better if you had 5 trains. Each stopping at exactly one load station and the unload station

They could also only be 3 wagons long then (probably, depends on the distance to the farthest node)

[oblique hollow]

You could just have 3 very long trains

[unique cypress]

Not with all trains set to depart when empty/full

[unique cypress]

Nope, nevermind, I don't think you'll ever need a 4th wagon in this case

[vast bramble]

having a major problem with fluids (of course), so before I post the whole thing, should this work at all? #screenshots message

[wind spade]

Generally it's recommended to keep pipes simple and isolated, don't connect them like that
(that being said, sometimes even weird setups do work)

[vapid gorge]

Post in #math-and-meta

And also what greeny said

Also avoid valves

More images?

[vast bramble]

this is what I'm trying to do #screenshots message

not a complete beginner, being playing for 2k hours, just struggling in 1.0+. started a new save after a lot of stuff stopped being 100% eff

[wind spade]

Why not post the images here

#screenshots is for showing off your builds

And for your problem - connect each pipe to the number of machines it can feed

[vapid gorge]

You’ll have an easier time processing each pipe individually

Then clock the refineries as needed into the groups you want in the next step

[fallow siren]

you connected them to output, not input

the other way around

[somber estuary]

How does the game calculate fluids in pipes

[fallow siren]

your pipe is connected wrong, that is the output port, not input

[violet ginkgo]

[kindred carbon]

Just a flow and outflow number I guess, no actual physics

[ruby otter]

except head lift

thats just a height calculation ig

[somber estuary]

I have a water pipe which should trransport 600 Water/min and it tranports a lot less

[ruby otter]

is it getting enough water?

one water extractor only does 120/min i think

[fallow siren]

is the pipe connected to long manifold?

[somber estuary]

Jes

[fallow siren]

cuz 600/min doesnt really work well with long manifold, you want to make it as short as possible

or loop it

[vapid gorge]

Shape is really important. They aren’t belts

Show how you’re feeding the machines?

[somber estuary]

Good enough (THe maschines in the middle)

[vapid gorge]

Maybe another pic during the day

Oh you’re feeding from below

That’s at least one of the problems

[vapid gorge]

Are they 2 different manifolds?

[somber estuary]

Jes

[vapid gorge]

Ok so if you want to make life easier for yourself feed them level or from above

[somber estuary]

Thanks

[vapid gorge]

Like this with a loop

While it’s not impossible to feed from below it’s a lot more delicate

[patent blaze]

is fertile uranium worth using? since it uses uranium ore

[wind spade]

if you feel that it's worth, use it 😉

[vapid gorge]

if you want more p rods, sure

[unique cypress]

Usually not but it depends

[patent blaze]

im planning my aluminum right now and i could set it up in a way to make 12k ingots while saving enough bauxite to produce 750 extra uranium ore

since there's only 2100 iirc

[vapid gorge]

2100 uranium to rods is enough for basically anything you’re gonna build

[patent blaze]

the silica is the only rough part

yeah but i've already made a huge nuclear production in my last world, all in one building

[vapid gorge]

Use the ingot recipe that doesn’t need it

[unique cypress]

Well you say only but even if you sink Plutonium, it's still 630GW. And you can double to quadruple it with augmenters

[patent blaze]

well yeah but then i'd "only" get like 9000

[vapid gorge]

It’s a metric shit ton of silica for not much of a boost. Just use more alum efficient recipes if you really need to

[patent blaze]

but then again i'd need a lot of quartz for computer stuff probably

[patent blaze]

with pure ingots and instant scrap its 1:1

[wind spade]

computers can be done completely without quartz

[patent blaze]

oh

lol cant u make circuit boards from oil

[wind spade]

the basic recipes need 0 quartz

[unique cypress]

Yes, but it's a shit ton of oil

[kindred carbon]

Wait wdym?

[vapid gorge]

mostly a layout thing. It's easy to shape it weird, lose track of head lift ect

[fallow siren]

fluids are bidirectional, they go both ways and long manifold sometimes can cause sloshing which limit the flowrate into 595/min instead of 600

[limber spear]

is there a point in connecting both water systems here ? (everything is clocked to 4x120/min coal inputs)

[vapid gorge]

Absolutely not. Keep fluid systems in smaller dedicated segments as much as possible

[limber spear]

alr ty

[umbral barn]

would a 1:3 belt balancer just be a single splitter?

[limber spear]

if you mean something to make for example 120/min be 3x40/min then yes

[umbral barn]

im setting up trains and my sulfur train is setup to load evenly but i dont wanna make a super complex 1:3 balancer if i dont need to

[limber spear]

splitter is 1:3

[minor tartan]

How much coal per minute do you need for a coal generator?

[limber spear]

15 iirc

[minor tartan]

I've got 2 impure nodes darn

[limber spear]

2 generators per node then

[minor tartan]

yea

would i only need 2 water pumps?

*extractor

[limber spear]

iirc they always need as much water

[unique cypress]

You can overclock them if you unlocked that

[wind spade]

it tells you in its UI

[opaque quartz]

A single coal gen takes 45 water/min. a single extractor produces 120/min

[opaque quartz]

There is a good coal power spot in each starter biome with adequate coal and water next to each other

[crimson moat]

[unique cypress]

put belts only on one end of the manifold. they'll still connect in that direction, but not the other

[crimson moat]

only on one side?

[unique cypress]

looking at the screenshot, have the belt extend out of the blueprint on the left, but not the right

[crimson moat]

good tip ty

[unique cypress]

I'm pretty srue you'll only be able to extend the manifold in one direction, but it's fewer belts that can connect to random shit

[crimson moat]

yeah need to have a duplicate bp or count the position very carefully then (I am expanding out from the middle so that i don't have to measure) then but it works

not too bad anyway like this as i can just delete that one belt and remake it

[violet ginkgo]

which one?

[unique cypress]

I'd take iron, but as always, whichever one you'll use more is the better one

[wind spade]

whichever one you want

[minor tartan]

Iron wire is usually better, as iron is more abundant

[crimson moat]

Yeah, iron and limestone are so abundant that it can be considered free for large scale planning. Even if you assign zero value to those two resources, your builds will be limited by other things running out first.

I lean heavily on iron wire, iron pipe and the limestone recipies like Cheap Silica. When you do use copper and you're not using Pure, copper alloy ingot is really good too (converts iron 1:1 for copper, i.e. free copper).

[unique cypress]

pure copper gives even more ingots per ore

2.5 instead of 2 of alloy

[crimson moat]

They do, but pure copper at scale is a pain to set up and uses a lot of power and space.

Copper alloy ingot takes 1/5'th of the time and space to set up, and gives 2/3'rds of the benefit. So you don't really wanna be just smelting copper ever, because alloy ingot is there and iron ore is worth far less than copper ore.

[unique cypress]

plus alloy takes iron, so it's still the same amount of items to transport

both refineries and foundries are pretty fast to build with blueprints

[crimson moat]

For the copper ingot output per minute, Pure Copper requires 20.4x as much processing area (in cubic meters) than Copper Alloy Ingot. 20x.

I use pure copper everywhere for large scale ore efficiency, but if space and build time were concerns, Copper Alloy Ingot is a massive upgrade over just smelting copper.

[opaque quartz]

Make your blueprint just a single machine with the splitter and merger and power pole and belt stubs on one side, and then you can use it to make any size manifold w auto connect

[hallow quartz]

MK7 Belts when?

[wind spade]

never

[crimson moat]

#screenshots message

Has anybody made a house out of biomass stacks? 😄

[unique cypress]

considering current belt progression, that's like a mk 15 belt

[minor tartan]

7,500 per minute output??

[hallow quartz]

Yes.

[hallow quartz]

actually more like mk12 but who calculates that.

[copper cypress]

can someone come in my dms to help me for some reason my pipes have water(im using pumps) but my coal gens dont get that water for some reason?

[wind spade]

no, post in #1038092680493801533 and show your problem

[quaint vale]

i'm having trouble in general with learning how pipes work, could someone kindly reference me some documentation/yt video on the topic?

i'm operating on the assumption that they are similar to factorio pipes with physics

[quaint condor]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/satisfactory_gamepedia_en/images/3/39/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[quaint vale]

huh.

seems like i don't undestand junctions

[fallow siren]

very different, also to consider that fluids in factorio got overhauls in 2.0

they become extremely simple

[minor tartan]

How do I do this? Each smelter outputs 30.

[fallow siren]

see the numbers again

it says 3.75x

its basically 375% clock speed, you can divide it to 3 100% and 1 75% or 375/4

[minor tartan]

I mean how do I connect everything up so I have 62.5 going to the constructors and 50 going to the other constructors

[fallow siren]

manifold, it will self balance

you can load balance, but you need to split 20 and 2.5 into their own belt

or you can clock the smelter so they outputting 20 and 2.5 to get 62.5 and 50

mk2 is enough to carry all those ingots, so you will have easier time using manifold

oh you can also clock two smelter into 25 each so you get 50

[opaque quartz]

!wikisearch manifold

Sigh. Bot is busted again

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Manifold

[minor tartan]

Yea I just did a manifold

[minor tartan]

Is the solid steel ingot recipe better than the base recipe?

[crimson moat]

It's much more resource efficient, just takes some more area and power but it's a great deal

[minor tartan]

Cool

[marble onyx]

Question if im making 500 screws per minute and i have a mk3 belt it cant hold all of it but would smart spiltters work?

i havent used smart spilitters at yet

im also usng 100 screws per assmbler

[vapid gorge]

A smart splitter doesn’t increase throughput

Make two manifolds at least

Clock machines as needed

[marble onyx]

no im making enough screws just im making more then my converys can handle

would a smart splitter with an overflow spilt in half so its 250 for one convyer and 250 for another?

[crimson moat]

put half (or less) of your screws on multiple conveyors to begin with, don't merge them all and then try to split again later

no, smart splitter is limited by input belt speed

[marble onyx]

i see

thats sucks

ya cuz the back of my screws arent moving at all whihc im guess is due to the limit of the blet

[crimson moat]

yeah, you basically just don't merge the outputs of screw machines

[marble onyx]

ah well

[crimson moat]

just clock them and put a belt from the screw machine to the recieving machine directly

it can even be like a 5 centimeter belt if those machines are next to eachother

[marble onyx]

so u just over clock them to make max screws and put them directly?

[crimson moat]

what are you making with screws?

[marble onyx]

Rotors

which are then making Motors

[crimson moat]

rotor takes 100 screws per minute

either underclock rotor to 50% and put 1 screw constructor behind it (works on mk.1 belt)

or

have rotor at 100% fed by 2 screw constructors (works on mk.2 belt)

you just can't put 20 screw constructors, merge their output, and send that somewhere - because belt capacities can't handle more than a few screw machines per belt. Screws exist to teach you that lesson

[marble onyx]

Ok ill do that next time but what i did before was take 5 constructors and then spilt them off form the main belt and feed 3 (on at 50%) rotors

it just doenst look the prettiest

[vast bramble]

scared to jinx it, but looks like one change fixed my problem. before (240 fed into 240 before the manifold, tried also to feed from top and use a pump, no help) - #screenshots message, after - #screenshots message (fed it directly into the manifold)

ran for a couple of hours, holds 100% everywhere. the whole thing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Boeg_WyY0

might even risk to move the pipes back under refineries as it was originally (worked for me before) 🙂

[violet ginkgo]

why is oil extractor stuck at 0.1?

[wind spade]

Because the oil is instantly moved to the pipe next to it

[vapid gorge]

is this bar not moving?

[violet ginkgo]

no its moving

[vapid gorge]

then it's running, greeny is right

[violet ginkgo]

but wouldnt the refinery start getting oil too? its also stuck at 0.1

[vapid gorge]

not if it's moving imeediately to the pipe which it tries to do

are you machines not getting oil?

[violet ginkgo]

no

[vapid gorge]

they aren't?

[violet ginkgo]

nope

[vapid gorge]

if that bar is moving, it's extacting, if it's extracting it's sending down the pipe so its going *somewhere

whats the image of your refinery?

[vapid gorge]

is it only that 1 machine?

[violet ginkgo]

yes

[vapid gorge]

mods? server?

[violet ginkgo]

coop, no mods

[vapid gorge]

pirated copy?

rebuild the pipe, see how it goes

[violet ginkgo]

no

i tried rebuilding, same thing

[vapid gorge]

at this point I would get host to restart the game. something weird is going on,

[violet ginkgo]

i am the host

[vapid gorge]

restart teh whole thing

[violet ginkgo]

exit out or you mean delete save data?

[vapid gorge]

save. restart the game. reload

[violet ginkgo]

done, this time game wont even load

it just takes me bxk to main menu

[vapid gorge]

sounds like you're having some major issues with 1.1.
was 1.1 working before for you or you freshly updated it?

[violet ginkgo]

this is the first time playing

[vapid gorge]

first time playing 1.1? or the game at all

[violet ginkgo]

game

[vapid gorge]

ok but it was stable and running fine all the way up to oil?

[violet ginkgo]

yea

[vapid gorge]

maybe try loading a previous save file

[violet ginkgo]

ill try

[shy mist]

quick i need help with drones is this is worth of transporting by drones

[deft lichen]

why not

if you have fuel to spare, sure

[vapid gorge]

drones are pretty good at dealing with changes of elevation

[deft lichen]

in this case you could just run a really long conveyor lift down and then run trains (or trucks)

as there are no other changes in elevation besides that

but, drones are by far the quickest and easiest to set up

[vapid gorge]

also - almost every choice you make like this in the game is answered with 'if you think it's worth it, it is'

now if you ahve questions about whether something is more or less one attribute ? sure that's definitely debatable

[humble violet]

yo does anyone have a good reinforced iron plate setup for 2 pure iron miners

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=2HVSqLsEyNeS5TbYWM5j

[unique cypress]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=50qBT83s06kbLX9eUR7R

Assuming miner mk1, mk2 belts and no overclocking

[humble violet]

ooo ty yall

[quaint condor]

I may have missed it along the way, does the wiki say, or has someone done the math, on the max potential power that could be made if using the resources needed for only power, waste management (I.e nuke), etc. and not automating anything else?

[unique cypress]

you can use Satisfactory Optimizer to find out

[quaint condor]

Referring to SFT?

[unique cypress]

no

https://github.com/Zistack/Satisfactory-Optimizer

[unique cypress]

Satisfactory logistics would work too, but it would be more manual

It can't calculate Augmenters

[quaint condor]

OK, I will put this on the list of things to mess with later lol. Thanks.

[fallow siren]

@kindred carbon @lyric belfry my scalable dpf loop bp

[kindred carbon]

Can fit more than one?

[fallow siren]

this blueprint is the whole loop

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/932761153703149659/1360897957578145792/image.png?ex=68284bfd&is=6826fa7d&hm=03b84ccfc8b0dc527ed7aab490b0fa243952f94f5ac5faa7e75db6225c6dbb9c&

[lyric belfry]

just try it... im just saying make it scalable by using auto connect and (optionally) separate blueprint.. but of course you can make as many blueprints as you want..

as a rule of thumb: simpler setups are just easier to scale.. i stopped making blueprints packed with as many things as possible but rather made basic instances of shared input/output vs separated, or orientations or stuff like that and then make them scalable by using autoconnect.. i.e. making sure all belts etc. connect the edge of the blueprint

i can always go ahead, paste 4 of those (or like in this case a combination of them) into the blueprint maker and save that as a specific blueprint if i tend to use certain numbers more often of course..

[brisk urchin]

anybody knew about this?

it gives 15 turbo for only 16 crude oil

[unique cypress]

"only"?

default turbo uses 6.75 oil per 15

[opaque quartz]

Heavy oil residue is one of the more powerful alts in the game, it’s the backbone of diluted fuel and recycled plastic/rubber

I never bother w turbo fuel

[unique cypress]

turbo heavy is utter garbage

and turbofuel in general is not that good

[wind spade]

15 TF for 14.063 oil

[unique cypress]

14.0625 actually

[brisk urchin]

hm i miscalculated then

[unique cypress]

you also miscalculated that this recipe is any good lol

[brisk urchin]

bruh

[wind spade]

well it's "good" by skipping a step, so simplifying the production line

[brisk urchin]

yeah my goal was to power the most amount of generators with just 2 inpure and one normal oil extractor

[unique cypress]

then that's gonna require ionized fuel

if you really want the most generators

[brisk urchin]

ik ik but just with turbo fuel

[unique cypress]

with ionized fuel that's 800 gens btw

[brisk urchin]

im not at aluminum level so empty fluid tanks are a nono

[brisk urchin]

ye ik its hella good

[unique cypress]

it's not

[brisk urchin]

there nuclear

there is*

[unique cypress]

because you can get 72% of the power production via rocket fuel instead at only 4% of the power cost

[brisk urchin]

mhm

got it

[brisk urchin]

hows that possible

with the alternate heavy oil?

[unique cypress]

diluted (packaged) fuel

[brisk urchin]

bruh, i just noticed that i have been looking at that recepie the whole time just wondering if thats a fuel dupe

not even thinking about it transferring it into turbo

[golden thunder]

hi guys, do you guys know any way to make so that my 2 trains go in turns into the spirel? (3)

[brisk urchin]

so the 40 generators ive just built will get very inefectively fueled

dam

[wind spade]

signals 🙂 (also I'd recommend ramps over spirals)

[torn nebula]

2+3= satisfactory

[golden thunder]

ye i tried but nothing works

[deft lichen]

Do you have signals on your railway network in general?

You can't only signal one part of it, either the entire railway is signaled or not

[quaint condor]

Erm, dumb question, but is there a way to copy the result when doing math with N ?

[dusky dust]

I'd expect Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V to work, though I admit I've probably never tried from there

I at least know that Ctrl-V will paste values into fields

[quaint condor]

Unfortunatly no

[dusky dust]

Ah, alas

[quaint condor]

Yeah, that does lol.

[dusky dust]

Probably worth a Questions post about it, if one doesn't already exist

[quaint condor]

I'm not seeing anything. Though my search foo isn't the best either lol.

[minor tartan]

Whats the ideal coal power plant location in the desert biome?

[unique cypress]

east

east edge of the desert

whichever desert you're actuall on lol

both have decent coal plant spots in the east

the rocky desert has a good one in the west too

the dune desert has one in the west as well, but it kinda sucks

[quaint condor]

Has anyone ever done a specific factory utilizing only what's avaliable in that crater in the NE tip of the Dune Desert?

[thorn trail]

Yes, motors

[heady shale]

how do i make my supports do the thing thats happening in the bottom right?

[quaint condor]

Probably used a beam, frame floor, or frame pillar to place a pipeline wall support.

You would want to ping Colbalt as I believe that's his work. Or at least an image he references a lot.

[thorn trail]

don't even need a beam, just hold down the mouse button to lift up the pipe as you place it and it will allow you to wrap the pipe back around below itself

[quaint condor]

They are talking about giving it the attachment point I believe. Which lookes to be a pipeline wall support situated on top of a standard pipeline support.

[quaint condor]

Oh, I didn't know that .. haha, nice.

Retract previous 🤣

I assumed you couldn't do that as trying to nudge supports (if just placing the support and not the pipe) gives a clearance error.

[thorn trail]

i don't know if it drops the supports, i've got the self-destructing supports selected from Construction Preferences

also, was that the spot you were talking about in the NE Dune Desert?

[quaint condor]

That a mod or a setting?

[quaint condor]

Yep!

[thorn trail]

yeah, construction preferences is awesome

[quaint condor]

Ahh ok. I finally turned on SMM just to have SkyUI again 😏

[thorn trail]

try it out, it's highly configurable to get only the portions you want.

you can even use it as pure QoL so that it just changes the defaults for supports, power poles, etc

ie. Always using Power Pole Mk2 instead of Mk1

[quaint condor]

Will do

Ahh ok. Never been an issue I use all of them depending on what I'm doing 😏

The self destruct supports may be nice though if I'm ever worried about object count lol.

[silent trail]

ugh how do you find the lowest common denominator again? need to figure out the lowest amout of un clocked iron wire constructors i need to make to get an exact ratio into some stitched reinforced plate assembelrs

[wind spade]

type it into google 🙂

[umbral barn]

is there any reason why my trains bug out like this after painting my trains?

[crimson moat]

@white plinth This is a good method for ficsonium wasteless with all uranium https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=hFPRtU5G7mZgI51ym6cr

it generates 1102 GW gross, there's a lot of resources left over for other stuff, and there's room to play with the recipies

[kindred carbon]

1TW is crazy

How much of that goes to the production of the energy tho?

[crimson moat]

20% at 250% clock
15% of it at 100%
9% at 25% clock

you can selectively underclock the most power hungry machines, it's mostly some banks of particle accelerators and encoders.

[kindred carbon]

Ngl idk what any of it means im just curious how much energy ficsonium takes

[lean blade]

crap

[wheat sedge]

you need steel ingot to makeee encased industrial pipe

I'd choose 2

[unique cypress]

You don't

[wheat sedge]

ooh yeah 1.1 added iron pipe

well I'd still choose 2

[lean blade]

iron pipe is only a good recipe for motors

[wheat sedge]

I usually combine solid steel with molded pipe and beam for maximum efficiency

[unique cypress]

It allows you to make HMFs without coal

[crimson moat]

It's resource-efficiency-BIS for everything that uses pipes and pipe products, such as encased industrial beams. Spending iron or limestone to delete more valuable resources is worth it 100% of the time as far as resource efficiency goes.

[wheat sedge]

poor guy getting scolded 😭

[unique cypress]

And steeled frame with steel pipe is imo the best way of making modular frames by far

[kindred carbon]

Choose 2

It’s so much better

[crimson moat]

iron pipe has been here at least since launch btw

And while solid steel is a fine recipe, spending 0 coal is better from a map-resource-efficiency POV than spending X coal. The iron is unused either way

[wheat sedge]

Fatal mistake. Never express your opinion in this server

[unique cypress]

Yeah, it's a 1.0 recipe

[kindred carbon]

“But it depends!”

[wheat sedge]

LMFAOO NAHHHHHHHHHH

[crimson moat]

There's opinion and then objective outcomes 😄

it was way too general of a statement to be always true in this case

[kindred carbon]

If you’re just starting out then a recipe for steel that’s 50% more efficient than the regular recipe is def way better than thinking about late game

[crimson moat]

yeah, solid steel is also more compact i think

[wheat sedge]

It isn't

[kindred carbon]

It’s not since you need smelters

But those can be hidden away in a lower floor yk

[wheat sedge]

It's more resource efficient, less space and energy efficient

I always aim for resource efficiency so I judge recipes based on that, as I have 300GW and space is never a problem, and if it is I just overclock

But it really depends on the stage of the game I am

[crimson moat]

iron pipe is 100 iron ingots instead of 40 steel ingots and it takes like 60% more constructors on the pipe step so it's gonna be more awkward and bulky overall i think

[kindred carbon]

For a recipe like this, going for two would make producing encased industrial beams way easier so two is an obvious option

[crimson moat]

but just from a global resource view, you have essentially infinite iron and limestone but can run out of coal

looking at local resources, that might be different e.g. limited iron in an area but a coal node nearby which is convenient for solid steel.

[kindred carbon]

So, I have around 2400 oil than I’m planning to fully utilize ( the blue crater biome), 1200 of it will go to power generation, the rest will be crafted into plastic and rubber which will produce heavy oil, so I guess I use the packaged diluted fuel recipe to recycle this into more fuel for my generators?

[crimson moat]

• Use HOR recipe to make packaged diluted fuel from all of the oil

• Send half of that fuel to generators

• Send the other half of the fuel, as well as the Resin (residual rubber) to a recycled rubber and recycled plastic loop which converts fuel to rubber/plastic.

[wheat sedge]

here you go https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=moKqwoD4yDuCanMZswl4

if you don't have blenders just use packaged diluted fuel

for the power I'd generally go with rocket fuel as the blue crater has nitrogen and iron nearby, but if you don't have blenders just do turbo fuel oor what comes to mind

[kindred carbon]

Yea so I unlocked phase 4, but I don’t want to go into aluminum production just yet, I want to build this mega factory first

[wheat sedge]

with 1200 oil you should get 160GW with rocket fuel

[crimson moat]

You might want to divert some of it (i think HOR?) to petroleum coke production to feed the aluminum, too

[kindred carbon]

Does this require an alternate recipe that I should look out for?

Yes HOR makes petro coke

[wheat sedge]

pure aluminiun and sloppy alumina to get rid of the quartz part

[crimson moat]

electrode scrap, preferably with sloppy alumina and pure aluminum ingot. They're 3 alts that i recommend before scaling aluminum, and maybe before making any at all.

[kindred carbon]

Sheesh, I won’t have blenders unlocked for a long time unfortunately but I’ll build with this in mind

[wheat sedge]

I wouldn't do it tho as the nearest bauxite to blue crater is around 1000 meters away and there are better spots for aluminium

[kindred carbon]

I have 11 hard drives opened with all rescans available so I’ll be hunting for this

[wheat sedge]

you can save before rescanning to reroll again if you don't get them

[kindred carbon]

… that works?

[wheat sedge]

I suppose it does

[kindred carbon]

Damn okay

I thought the odds were set before hand

[wheat sedge]

my HUB says that I haven't died in 220 or so days cus everytime I die I rewind the save 💀

[kindred carbon]

They’ve definitely overlooked this lol

[kindred carbon]

I kill myself everytime I want to go back to spawn

[wheat sedge]

it's pretty op I use it for many things

[wheat sedge]

[kindred carbon]

I can use trains, Choo choo motherfucker

[wheat sedge]

Do as you wish

personally I think I'd become messy making power, rubber + plastic and aluminium products in same facility

[kindred carbon]

Do I need any oil products for aluminum?

[wheat sedge]

specially considering you need to make rubber/plastic loops and recycle the aluminium water which require some delicate logistics

[wheat sedge]

Yes and no

the electrode scrap eliminates the need for coal but needs oil ( petroleum coke )

there's plenty of coal in the blue crater if you want to use :V

but there's also plenty of oil

[kindred carbon]

Looking at the map, the best thing to do would be to simply train the bauxite over and leave a separate floor for it in the factory. There are 2 pure nodes within like 1000-1500m and theyre isolated

With mk4 belts I can get 960 out of them, but I’ll plan for for the full throughput of mk5 belts

So 1560/min bauxite into aluminum

[kindred carbon]

Apparently this only works before you put the hard drive in

Diddy tapes ahh hard drive

[wheat sedge]

ah nevermind then I thought It did

I can swear I did it once

[unique cypress]

When you start scanning, the recipes are set. But the rescan is not set

Save before the rescan, not the first scan

[kindred carbon]

Ahhh

I was wrong

[unique cypress]

Unless they somehow patched that too lol

The last time I save scummed a drive was in 1.0

[kindred carbon]

Do I need to unlock a phase to a tier to get recipes for it?

[unique cypress]

Yes

With a few exceptions that are probably oversights

[kindred carbon]

Is aluminum one of them

[unique cypress]

Wet concrete is the only one I know of

You can get it at coal, but needs oil to be actually used

[kindred carbon]

Ah shucks

[unique cypress]

Other than that, I'm pretty sure you have to have both the ingredients, and the products, and the machine unlocked to be able to get the recipe

[kindred carbon]

Time to go into the mines for 200 modular frames I’ll need

Or 6000 screws even if I use the production amplifier 💀

[unique cypress]

? You don't have frames automated at aluminium?

[wheat sedge]

yeah same

[kindred carbon]

Not heavy frames

[wheat sedge]

oh yeah I can relate

[kindred carbon]

Yea sorry I meant heavy modular frames, not the regular ones

[unique cypress]

Get the heavy encased alt

Literally 2x cheaper and no screws

[kindred carbon]

I have those fully automated at a an insane rate of 10/min

[unique cypress]

The default HMF recipe is utter dogshit

[wheat sedge]

I used a few industrial containers feeding into somerslooped manufacturers to get heavy frame and computer

result: I have 300GW and haven't even automated HMF and computer

200 hours into the save

😂

[kindred carbon]

I have 2GW and I’m about to automate them what are you doing dawg

[unique cypress]

Tier 5 and 6 is when I start to build permanent factories. HMFs and Computers included

[wheat sedge]

#screenshots message

[unique cypress]

By that point, you don't really get better recipes for old parts anymore

[kindred carbon]

Yes the alternate one is also 40% faster

I’ll definitely use soomersloops for computers and HMF

Also the recipe is like 30-45% more resource efficient which is nice

[kindred carbon]

Lmao that must have been like 70 hours at least

[wheat sedge]

yeeah somewhere around that

[kindred carbon]

I’d never put that much time tbh, I’ll probably spend 20 hours for my end game power set up

I’ll use alien power augmenters

[wheat sedge]

I'll probably go do this tools and then the other one https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=tOwv8bXlei83h6y6yoZ0 https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=DrTsfXYnrXfuaxKCLHKy

then I'll do this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Hr9ZT7kLl7YaUbyCXI5a

[kindred carbon]

250 refineries is crazy

[wheat sedge]

100 if overclocked

[unique cypress]

250 is crazy? Try 2500

This is how many I'll be building

Eventually...

[kindred carbon]

Is there that many oil nodes and things to utilize refineries for lol

[unique cypress]

Pure copper

[kindred carbon]

Oh

Is it that good? You need a lot of copper for nuclear production right

[unique cypress]

It's the most copper efficient copper recipe

The downside is that it requires a ton of refineries and water

[opaque quartz]

Not for nuclear power, but for nuclear pasta (phase 4 and 5 elevator part)

[kindred carbon]

Can you use the production amplifier

[kindred carbon]

Yes I can see that, sheesh

[opaque quartz]

Yes. Pasta is one I usually sloop. Sometimes the copper powder constructor too. Doing both of those cuts your copper needs by 75%

[crimson moat]

can confirm one of the best sloop targets

[unique cypress]

Eh, I consider putting sloops in permanent factories a cop-out

[crimson moat]

dont do it then

it's weird to tell other people to not use game mechanics because you personally don't like them

[feral token]

how is it a cop-out, I don't follow?

[unique cypress]

I'm not telling anyone to not use it?

I just think that if I can just build a full factory, there's no reason to waste sloops on it

[crimson moat]

I'm not telling anyone to not use it?

what is the comment for then?

I just think that if I can just build a full factory, there's no reason to waste sloops on it

That assumes e.g. that map resources won't run out, or building twice as many machines etc is trivial (which are not reality, or in fact even standard)

[wheat sedge]

Yeah I avoid doing that

I use them mostly to accelerate production, like elevator parts faster

Right now I have about 50 which I don't really use so I just snapped some into my power plant to get extra 70GW

Which I don't even need since my max consume is 30GW and production 10x that, but still

[delicate night]

im planning out a nuclear plant and using satisfactory modeler . its asking for 33.6 manufacturer ( i put 250% over clocking ) does that mean the .6 is at 60% efficiency and or at 60% under clocking

[crimson moat]

60% clock

[delicate night]

so put at 60% from 100%

[crimson moat]

3360% clock divided by machine count technically

3360 / 250 = 13.44 machines

3360 / 14 = 240% (clock)

[delicate night]

no it was 84 then why i add 250% it become 33.6

[crimson moat]

it's most efficient and easiest logistically to have all machines at the same clock

ah

[delicate night]

mb

[crimson moat]

I didn't even realise you could do that in modeller, but makes sense

[delicate night]

do what in modeller

[crimson moat]

you'd need 33.6 machines then, 34 rounded up, or you could drop the clock to [ (33.6 / 34) * 250] which is 247.0589% for all 34 machines

[crimson moat]

set clock speeds

[delicate night]

ok

[delicate night]

so for other i do (number of them / round up ( if needed )* 250% ) and then what that number is . Is what i put the last one as

[crimson moat]

That's the number that you set all of them to

[delicate night]

ok i put all 34 at the number given

[delicate night]

for me later is this the gist of it
in satisfactory modeler when it show 0.X do ( given number here / rounded number here )* 250% ) what that give put that to all of them

[high mango]

(exact / whole number) * clock

[delicate night]

thanks

[high mango]

the answer for this is ur changing the clock rate of the machines from 100% to 250% so 84 at 100% = 33.6 at 250%

if u wanted to do all 33 at 250% and the last one would be 150% clock rate

[crimson moat]

@tardy junco It helps. Fluid manifolds have gremlins due to emergent behaviors of unidirectional flow

The easiest fix is to just treat the pipes as having 2/3 of their rated flow value. Sometimes you can get 100%, but figuring out which situations are 75%'s and which are 100%'s is a highly developed skill

[tardy junco]

yeah i spent a good while trying to figure out what was up

a combo of valves and filling from the top has worked best for me

[silent trail]

are solid biofuel (logs) actually more efficent than biomass (mulch) or is it just the same fuel/biomass ratio but compacted into a bigger stack?
edit:
oh they actually have their mega jules listed.
8 biomass yealds 1,440 mj while 4 solid biofuel yealds 1,800 mj
8 mulch to 4 logs is the basic recipe.

[wheat sedge]

I managed to get 6 pipes flowing at 600 /min 24/7 somehow feeding into 360 generators

🐟

Hasn't given a single problem

[crimson moat]

They're more efficient, but the crafting time is huge so it's best handled by constructors.

Biomass has a low crafting time and a much larger efficiency gain so it should always be used

[crimson moat]

You can do, but there are a lot of ways to screw it up 😛

and splitting the 600 pipe into a pair of 300's before manifolding etc (or just putting 400/600 stuff in them to begin with) basically makes all of those ways to screw up impossible, for minimal time/complexity/material cost.

[vapid gorge]

looking at your screen shots that's not really the issue , doing injection manifolds like this can be really wonky #screenshots message

[silent trail]

thanks!

[keen pumice]

I use modeler a lot. it has a lot for logistics but little in ui as my friend get iritiated with the left and right clicks.
I personally try to use power shards/overclock as little as possible which gets smooth numbers but then dividing is a bit "fun"
to the point i tried to make my own script that tries to find the best split and merge operations to get the ratios i want.. didnt go well

[livid talon]

alright i'm new to coal generation and more specifically water extraction. i have mk 1 pipes and i'm trying to pump into 48 coal generators. my calculations show i need 18 extractors but i'm mapping out pipes right now and each pipe can handle 300m of water. do i need 8 separate lines of pipes or am I missing something?

[kindred carbon]

So how should I go on about my pipe set up? I’m building a massive refinery factory, should I be concerned about this

[kindred carbon]

Yea you need 7.2, or 8 pipes

[livid talon]

should I overclock any extractors instead then?

i think I have enough shards right now to do it

[kindred carbon]

It depends, if you don’t have enough space you should OC, if you do just connect all the water extractors, so you can get the full 300 flow from them

[livid talon]

wait so connecting them all together is fine or not? i feel like there's loss in water pressure

[kindred carbon]

Tbh I’m not sure, but it works fine for my water extractors set up. The game isn’t simulating fluid dynamics

[livid talon]

i have plenty of space for 18 extractors (i think) but perhaps just overclocking a few and piping out might be better. idk i'll give it a shot.

this pipe stuff is breaking my brain fr

[kindred carbon]

You can connect 1 water extractor that’s overlocked to 250% to 1 mk1 pipe

[livid talon]

and that pipe to what? 6 generators?

[kindred carbon]

If you have enough power shards I wouldn’t waste the space and headache of building all that

[livid talon]

or 8..?

[kindred carbon]

Yea, the first one should be over locked to 150%

[kindred carbon]

300/45 is 6.66

[livid talon]

💀 brain shattered XD

[kindred carbon]

It’s simple, a single coal generator uses 45/min water, so 300/45 is 6.66. To utilize more kf the water you’re extracting you can overlock 1 coal generator to 150% so that it draws what one and a half coal generator draw normally does

[livid talon]

so i'm connecting one pipe to 6 generators and overclocking one coal generator to 150%

if i understand that right

[kindred carbon]

Yes correct

[wind spade]

or you do the classic 3:8 module

[kindred carbon]

He is doing 48 generators

[wind spade]

that's 6 modules of 3:8

[livid talon]

it would still apply

[kindred carbon]

O shit you’re right

[livid talon]

but my concern is the excess water flow

don't wanna waste

[kindred carbon]

Doesn’t do anything lol

[wind spade]

there's no excess flow in 3:8

[livid talon]

300 flow pipes..?

[wind spade]

?

[livid talon]

my pipes only do 300 water flow

[wind spade]

sure, but that doesn't stop you from doing 3:8

[livid talon]

and if 3 generate 360, then isn't it overdoing it?

[wind spade]

you just don't push it all through one pipe segment

[livid talon]

how would that piping look then if it's not through one pipe?

this is why pipes break my brain

[kindred carbon]

Yes you need to either redirect the flow of the water extractor that’s overflow into a second pipe network

[wind spade]

  G  G  G  G 
E-+--+--+--+
E-+
E-+--+--+--+
  G  G  G  G 

[kindred carbon]

The middle E connects to the other 2, so left and right

[wind spade]

or

G G G G G G G G
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
E   E         E

put the extractors practically anywhere across the pipe

[kindred carbon]

This is how I did my first coal set up although it’s a lot more janky lol

[wind spade]

you just need to make sure no pipe section is required to carry more than 300

[crimson moat]

Yes. If in doubt, just treat pipes as having 2/3 of their rated flow rate capacity as that works every time.

If it's a pipe from A to B without any junctions, 100% is fine.

Other than that, it's very difficult to accurately describe and predict

[livid talon]

so i'm looking over the layout i have and uhhh...it's not looking promising

i have space all except on one edge. and i realllllly don't wanna tear down

[kindred carbon]

So im doing the heavy oil residue alternate recipe, should I do 480/min of 475/min flat?

[wind spade]

do however much you want, just take special care around pipes

[crimson moat]

You can e.g. make two sets of pipes which are 240 each. Just don't try to cram everything into one pipe and brush up against the flow rate limits, they hit earlier than most people assume due to unidirectional flow.

[kindred carbon]

This is breaking my brain, what’s the issue exactly? Do junctions have a flow rate limit

[wind spade]

pipes are bidirectional and fluid can slosh

[crimson moat]

No. Stuff that flows through a junction and then back counts against the pipe flow rate limit twice (once each way)

So if 500 flows forward and 50 back, you get 450/min net flow but 550/min actual (which the pipe cares about)

[kindred carbon]

Is this only an issue upon start up? I can get around that bit have a buffer that’s fills up everything in the system first

[crimson moat]

No, it's always an issue (and buffers make it worse if misused)

[kindred carbon]

Huh I see

That’s really dumb ngl, they need to rework this

[crimson moat]

it's an expected emergent property whenever flow isn't unidirectional (belts)

and it's trivial to work around

you just have to avoid making incorrect assumptions about how much a pipe can move from A to B

in the same way that you wouldn't put 300/min of stuff on a 120/min belt

[kindred carbon]

I guess this can mostly be solved by having an option to disable fluid flow from one way right?

[crimson moat]

yes but that doesn't exist through junctions

[livid talon]

so here's my layout..i have the pipes split up now with all junctions. the second image shows where the extractors will be going. am I able to do the replied setup with the middle extractor creating the joint closer to the extractors or does it need to be closer to the logistics?

[crimson moat]

it exists as a part but you can't attach it where it would actually be needed to remove sloshing

[kindred carbon]

kinda dumb ngl. Definitely needs to be fixed

[crimson moat]

What needs to be fixed

change the label on pipe from 600 to 450? 😄

[kindred carbon]

The the fact that junctions can’t be set to one flow or another

[crimson moat]

Yeah, valved junctions would be nice (like a priority merger - but just configurable so you can say e.g. let 20/min go left, and 580/min go right). Because you have to attach like this:

pipe 1 <> valve 1 <> pipe2 <> junction <> pipe 3 <> valve 2 <> pipe 4

valves actually do not prevent junction slosh because the slosh just happens at the pipe 2 to pipe 3 part, which aren't valved.

Higher flow rate pipes would be nice too. Feels a bit silly running literally hundreds of pipes to move water from A to B, and that mk.6 belts can move fluids 2-8x faster than pipes.

[kindred carbon]

Yea just imagine if we were stuck to mk4 belts lol

[wind spade]

feels a bit silly not building that thing near water

[kindred carbon]

No need, just build it

[livid talon]

wdym, i'm asking where the middle junction extractor goes, close to the logistics or close to the extractor

[kindred carbon]

Ohh

Like this

[livid talon]

extractors top to bottom. 1 2 3. extractor 2's junction. do i put it closer to the extractors themselves or the logistics (first image)

[kindred carbon]

Just post a screenshot

[livid talon]

i mean thers' this one. and here's the one i'm working on to see if it works.

it's noodle and i'm trying to figure it out

[wind spade]

you could make your life simpler and just build it here

[livid talon]

you think ihave enough room for all 18? to me it doesn't look it but idk

[kindred carbon]

Is wet concrete a bad recipe?

[wind spade]

no recipe is "good" or "bad"

[kindred carbon]

Sorry it’s kinda random

[wind spade]

all recipes have their use, whether you like it or not depends on you only

[vapid gorge]

It also depends on the situation you’re in and personal preferences too 🙂

I use that recipe quite often as I build bigger systems and more Crete is useful

[livid talon]

full view of the area i'm working with.

[kindred siren]

wet concrete is for throughput the best 1 i think

[wind spade]

wdym "for throughput"?

[kindred carbon]

It’s a very fast recipe

The default one is 15/min

[wind spade]

not the fastest one

though "fast" can be easily replicated by just building more machines

[livid talon]

omg i've been overthinking this...what if i run each extractor at 180 water flow then just do 1:4 ratios..

[wind spade]

yes, you can change clock speeds to make different ratios 🙂

(though I'd still say 3:8 is simplest)

[livid talon]

with my constraints and stubbornness i'll go for less extractors but easier pipe management. at least to me it work better this way

[crimson moat]

even better, you can put gens at 88.88 and do 1:3 without overclocking and with 100% water utilisation

it just takes 3 sets of gens (9 total) to consume 120 coal exactly

[livid talon]

true. good thing there's copy paste

i'll test both ways see which i like better.

[wind spade]

eh at that point I'd do extractor at 75% for two gens

rather than have inifnite decimals

[crimson moat]

no big deal if your coal plant only consumes 99.999999% of the water and coal it's supposed to.

[wind spade]

sure, but if I can make it 100% 🤷

[crimson moat]

generating 0.0000001% more power (and am not exaggerating the magnitude here) doesn't make any noticable difference, having a simpler pipe layout or taking less area on the water does

[wind spade]

it's not about the power

[kindred siren]

you can make 80 concrete per minuten per machine at 100% i think

for 120 lime and 100 water per minute

[kindred carbon]

So I’ve chose to bit the bullet early on and build a proper oil powerplant, my original plan was a 1200/min crude into 10GW, 150 rubber and 100 plastic but I’ve decided against it. My new powerplant plan is turning crude into heavy residual oil, then into repackaged diluted oil

[wind spade]

and rubber concrete does 90/min

[kindred siren]

yea but its more annoying and you can use rubber for better stuff

[kindred carbon]

I’m guessing I’ll need a lot of refineries and packagers for this

[wind spade]

well you were talking about "fastest" recipe.

and rubber is super cheap, I'd say water is more annoying to deal with due to pipes

[kindred siren]

wel 1 base water extractor can power 3 refineries

so 1 pipe with like about 1 or 2 pumps

and you can have 240 concrete per minute

[thorny iron]

I plan on using rubber concrete the only downside for me is building a train station to get that rubber (they are huge)

[oblique hollow]

Uh. no

The wet concrete recipe needs 100/min

So for 3 thats not 1 base water extractor

Thats a max OC extractor making 300/min

[kindred siren]

true

my brain is off at the minute

[kindred carbon]

Guys, I have a small problem.

I’m making the alternate diluted oil recipe in a refinery, and I want to make a blue print for the packaged water -> refinery -package fuel

Can someone show me a blueprint or something

Wait so canisters are infinitely recyclable?

[oblique hollow]

Yea

You just loop the casinsters between the fuel unpackager and the water packager

You can put canisters into a packager and save the blueprint and the canisters will be included if you build the blueprint

[kindred carbon]

So I won’t need to go back to refill them later, very nice

[oblique hollow]

Yep

[kindred carbon]

So this whole thing will power 160 fuel generators

Definitely something lol

40GW

[kindred carbon]

@wind spade @crimson moat so I have 2 pure oil nodes outputting 600 each and I want to split them into 40 refineries, a single junction that splits the flow into 2 will ensure that sloshing won’t happen right?

So a single junction at the start

[crimson moat]

yes that's fine

[kindred carbon]

Okay thanks

[wind spade]

well sloshing will always happen, it just most likely won't affect your build 🙂

[crimson moat]

if you split evenly, the junction self balances so that there is no or virtually no sloshing (and if there is any, it's on pipes at half or less capacity so it doesn't matter)

e.g. if you Split A into B and C but B has a lower fluid level, B will recieve a higher % of the flow until B and C are the same (junction's stable self-balancing), then they'll recieve the same amount.

When fluid level and intake are identical, no slosh.

[wind spade]

I'm pretty sure slosh will still hapen further down the line

but as said, it won't affect the build

[edgy leaf]

slosh is a hoax

[unique cypress]

It's not but it doesn't always happen

[edgy leaf]

it's a hoax, it's just something the game pretends to do when you don't use enough pumps

the game wants you to sacrifice power to the pump lord by powering pumps

[vapid gorge]

I hope this is sarcasm

[unique cypress]

Yeah? Then place a buffer, fill it, and in front of the other port place a valve, and 2 junctions, spaced a few metres apart. Close the valve, connected all 4 parts into a straight pipe, open the valve and close it 5 seconds later

then look in the pipes

Try to fix this with pumps without removing the junctions, I dare you

[edgy leaf]

alright I'll do that later today, it'll be simple with pumps

can you send a screenshot of what you want me to build so I don't build it wrong?

[unique cypress]

Not right now unfortunately

just an industrial buffer, valve and 2 junctions in a line and at the same level

valve facing junctions

buffer -> valve -> junction -> junction

like 4-ish metres of pipe for each connection

[kindred carbon]

Okay now I’m done with building the refineries (still need to build the mergers for the polymer resin), I need to split 1600 heavy oil residue into 54 refineries, each should go into 11 refineries

Oh fuck I forgot about the water

So I’ll need 60/min water for each refineries

I’ll need 3240/min water in total…

I’m officially cooked

Wait actually that’s 6 water extractor, but I’ll need to account for sloshing, so 450 per extractor I’ll need 7.2 extractors

[crimson moat]

extractors cant do 450

[kindred carbon]

Actually I’ll just OC to 405/min production, so it’s 8 extractors and I don’t have to worry about sloshing

[kindred carbon]

Wdym?

[crimson moat]

they extract 120 water per minute

not 450

[kindred carbon]

I forgot about that, damn

[unique cypress]

120 is default, 300 is max

[kindred carbon]

So I’ll need 11 right even if I fully overclock all of them, and split into 8 pipelines for a little more than 420/ min water which feeds into 7 packagers

Spaghetti time

[ebon cobalt]

with mk2 lift to assembler, i isolated the 2nd assembler for testing

@fallow siren

[fallow siren]

3240? are you sure the math is right
1200 oil only need 3200/min

[fallow siren]

that lift, is it mk1 or mk2

[ebon cobalt]

mk2

and if it was mk1 it would backlog the mk2 belt

stop and start, but it doesnt its movign at the speed of mk1

can i screen share in a vc or smth

[fallow siren]

theres no vc

[lyric belfry]

faster belt into slower belt is just slower

no stop and start

[fallow siren]

what about the constructors, are they backing up?

[ebon cobalt]

yes

[fallow siren]

also, remove that splitter, no need if its just a single input

there might be hidden mk1 belt there

[ebon cobalt]

its supposed to go to a 2nd one after but i isolated

i removed and all mk2 still

[lyric belfry]

just rebuild

[ebon cobalt]

i have 3x

[lyric belfry]

if there was a glitching belt piece it would mess up snapping

i mean rebuild belt.. leave splitter/merger\

[ebon cobalt]

ive ripped down everything and rebuilt it all 3x