math-and-meta

[near smelt]

because i need more then 600/min now in one of the two other pipelines which would mean adding a third, and also the aluminum wasn't even balanced anyway and i should just produce extra anyway even though i dont need it.

[vapid gorge]

well if you've got other issues and it's getting over complicated , sure, go for it

one of the reasons for independency 🙂

[prisma kraken]

changing the default settings for the wait behavior ends up with unintended side-effects. what if the consuming end eats just about an entire train load of material during the time it takes for a round trip?

[pastel obsidian]

You can set it to wait to unload

[prisma kraken]

...in theory having trains wait would reduce traffic, but i don't think the level triggers are sophisticated enough to really be able to accomplish interesting optimizations. That's more my opinion than empirical experience though.

what i can say is that whenever i've messed with those settings, it's led to cascades of unexpected behaviors

[pastel obsidian]

The problem is you don't want trains constantly loading and unloading it hurts the efficiency of the station

[near smelt]

if electrode aluminum scrap produced 100 water instead of 105 water this would be so much easier

[vapid gorge]

clocking the waste refineries a little bit more and the fresh solution a bit less should fix it

[pastel obsidian]

Just use the extra water to process the quartz or something

If you have extra Petro coke burn it

[near smelt]

or by overclocking the fresh refineries and producing 10 extra aluminum scrap my clock ratio's look like this because I am stupid and forgot to mention, I have extra bauxite 🤦‍♂️

[vapid gorge]

yeah you're juggling a ton of things. Split them up

[near smelt]

100% my bad. i was just being stubborn in producing exactly enough to get exactly what i needed for the next step in this grand plan of mine

[vapid gorge]

I mean that's generally how you go. but you've lost track of where all the juggled balls are

[near smelt]

especially when my roadmap looks like this 🤣

[vapid gorge]

my advice there is to make the overall plan that, but then create seperate tabs to break it up into hubs

[pastel obsidian]

It's funny there isn't anything on it

[near smelt]

thats because it's zoomed out so far you can't read it. here's me zooming in on half of it, but the plan for this factory is to automate stuff that i missed automating in previous tiers, like high speed connectors, and then also automating a bunch of the phase 4 things like super computers, pressure conversion cubes, and radio control units.

[vapid gorge]

yeah that's fine. my advice still stands

[ashen stirrup]

I'd assume the ISC buffer can handle that

[near smelt]

good advice too. I was just too caught up in trying to produce exactly 3095.454 aluminum scrap a minute. and it caused me a huge headache. thanks for sticking it out though, through my stupidity and stubbornness.

[vapid gorge]

no stress 🙂 and making that much pm is fine. just keep them in more manageble chunks

[plucky tusk]

Lol i read this wrong. I build all my trains like that. Just stick a locomotive on each side and have it go back and forth a to b

Just have to build the stations like this <——>

Super simple if you have a hard time with signals. And more efficient imo

Rather have direct drop off then have it enter a loop

[late hedge]

anyone know why my constructors are stuttering? i have it set to consume 27 ingots per minute and the input is exactly 27 per minute

[pastel obsidian]

Hoverpack?

Are they full of ingots

[late hedge]

this is the one causing issues

[vapid gorge]

you likely haven't waited long enough for hte manifold to stabalise

I also highly recommend against using teh SCIM 'realistic' layouts. They are ... just so bad

[late hedge]

yea thats prob what happened i filled up the other smelters to 100 iron and it fixed itself

[late hedge]

should i be using the otherone?

[vapid gorge]

well I'd recommend a different planner in general, but mostly to make your own layouts

[pastel obsidian]

Try the others to see what works for you

[vapid gorge]

while the SCIM ones are technically workable, they just don't take into account human space use or anything

[late hedge]

which planner is recommended?

[vapid gorge]

I recommend this one https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

tons of options and much better user interface.

[pastel obsidian]

Tools and https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/ are the popular ones

Steam

Satisfactory Modeler

Model your Satisfactory builds. Set up your machines however you like, adding optional limits to the number of any of those machines and the tool will calculate how the parts will flow and how many of each machine type are getting used.

This does advanced calculations that no other Satisfactory planning tool can do, including figuring out how sp…

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[vapid gorge]

it also just gives you the raw numbers making it easy for you to create your own layouts

Tools is also infinitely faster than modeler, which is dog shit

[pastel obsidian]

Wow do you speak to your mother with that mouth

[quick gorge]

I prefer modeler.
Imagine having preferences

[vapid gorge]

people are allowed to like objectively worse things

[quick gorge]

You're starting to sound like reddit

[vapid gorge]

considering your tastes I won't put much stock in that 😛

[quick gorge]

My synesthesigic friend says I taste like "Orange Madagascar"

So I think my tastes are fine 🙃

[vapid gorge]

eh, mcdonalds is popular and some poeople enjoy that too although it's, objectively, some of the lowest quality 'food' available

[late hedge]

what do you do if resource nodes are like 3000m away from ur factory

[quick gorge]

I prefer the visualization is the main thing

Choo choo :)

[late hedge]

was a huge pain in the ass to conveyor coal 2000m from the node to plant

[quick gorge]

You have the train unlocked?

[late hedge]

what tier is that lol

im tier 3-4 rn

[quick gorge]

It's in 6

[near smelt]

Most coal is pretty close to water. My suggestion is to just build your powerplant above or near that water and then drag a powerline out there so you can get its power. Unless you really want to put a coal powerplant in a specific spot. But pre train and truck. Your options are long conveyor lines or the tractor. And the tractor is bad because it would burn some of your coal on its way to deliver it.

[pastel obsidian]

What are you using the coal for steel or power

[late hedge]

for power but about to build steel plants

[pastel obsidian]

For power just build it near a coal node near water 💦 and drag a power line to the base

[late hedge]

theres no nearby coal nodes that are near water 😭

i started in the grassland place

[pastel obsidian]

Use the nearby one for steel

[near smelt]

I recommend the coal to the north for power. There's a lake there for water.

[late hedge]

blue is the map ive explored green is where my main factory is black dot is my coal plant

grey line is the conveyor for coal to plant

[near smelt]

These ones for power. The green ones for steel.

[quick gorge]

I have seen soo many coal gens on that lake :P

[near smelt]

I think most people who start in the grasslands build their first coal plant there

It's almost required XD

[late hedge]

is grassland a good start

[quick gorge]

It is designed for new players so I'd hope so

[near smelt]

Eh. It depends. It's super safe, but resources are kinda far apart. Other spawns has resources that are closer but also can hurt more. But really, you'll eventually build everywhere so it doesn't matter.

But for a first time. I agree with Natro. Yeah grasslands are probably best

[south bluff]

the only limit to my conveyor lengths are how many plates I can carry! Haven't used trucks yet at all 🙂

[near smelt]

Same here. I just use belt lines till I get trains

[quick gorge]

I've often taken the coal on the bottom with the very close by sulfur node to make compacted coal and in turn use this tiny puddle for starter power, also use the same compacted coal for compacted steel ingot and fine black powder so I can get nobes and blow everything I need up

[near smelt]

You can fit a water extractor there? Never knew

[quick gorge]

iirc you can cram 3 of them in there if you do it right

2 or 3, I forgor, it's in the save I started when 1.0 dropped

That is quite a lot of alt recipes I mentioned but I know where most of the crash sites are and half of their requirements are so close in proximity I can just not remember them. There is that one black powder one that has only gotten me several times

[pastel obsidian]

It's a nice start for beginners

It looks nice, flat lots of space, safe the low quality nodes pushed you to build lots of small factories which is what you want when starting out.

Easy to delete and rebuild

Or fix problems

[quick gorge]

I do normally start there and do a couple laps to get all the collectables before migrating to the dunes while being able to hypercannon to and from 🙃

[late hedge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production
this doesnt seem to have option to add power shards etc?

[pastel obsidian]

You can skip half the game by just collecting crash sites

[pastel obsidian]

Nope

[quick gorge]

And considering I know the map like the back of my hand 😏

[late hedge]

so i can just use 1 assembler at 150% clock speed with power shards right

[pastel obsidian]

I would recommend the modeler if you want to learn how different recipes interact overclock and sloop

Both require a learning curve

[pastel obsidian]

Yes

[vapid gorge]

yup, each machine is 100%

so it's entirely up to you how you decide to split the clocking

27 machines? 2700% clocking however you want

[late hedge]

if i had 60 input and one side took 40 the other takes 20 would it balance itself

[vapid gorge]

particularly useful when you'll need multiple sections of production dedicated to the same item, as well as deciding how you're clocking groups to feed the next part

[vapid gorge]

yup, manifolds work that way

[late hedge]

it would only balance after one side is full right

[vapid gorge]

depends on the layout. If it's just a straight manifold with machines along it, the first machines will fill first

[pastel obsidian]

It would be split 50/50 the side with 40 will eventually overflow and back up giving the the side 60

[cerulean stratus]

I think it's funny how in this game it's easier to deal with sushi than to do a 45/55 split

[fallow siren]

manifold does that easily

[vapid gorge]

Yeah manifolds do that automatically

[hushed trellis]

split the 60 into three 20s and merge two of them

ez

I made a diagram a while ago actually

[unique cypress]

In what situation are both of these a valid solution?
Those are 2 completely differnt things

[river night]

or just dont, and it will in fact balance itself, since one side cant consume more then it does

[hushed trellis]

when I get home I will make a sketch of this hypothetical 20:9,11 balancer

[hushed trellis]

I love balancing

[outer vale]

split into 24 (2, 2, 2, 3), merge 9 outputs for one, merge 11 for the other, send the other 4 back to the start. ezpz. And can probably skip some splitting and remerging

[thorn bane]

20->10->5->1 seems easy
merge 10 with 1 for 11
merge rest for 9

[hushed trellis]

it's basically just a manifold with two mergers at the end

like a 7:2,5

[unique cypress]

Since when are we calling ratio splitters "balancers"? If that's a balancer then a manifold is one too

[plucky tusk]

I wouldnt lose too much sleep over it man

[thorn bane]

since forever
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Balance
"Balancer... It is the opposite fill method to the manifold. "

[plucky tusk]

Vocabulary 🙄

[unique cypress]

Yeah I don't see any ratio splitters in there

[plucky tusk]

🤓

[cerulean stratus]

go ahead, manifold the train stations

[unique cypress]

If it's one belt, you can

[vapid gorge]

also once the train system is flooded trains are just giant manifolds even if you don't do single belt per platform

[analog meteor]

it would balance itself

[cerulean stratus]

yeah, that's if they're flooded

[hexed spruce]

Retooled the Turbofuel setup - 15,000 MW and 150 packaged TF p/m - quite happy with the result

[unique cypress]

WTH is up with this community using "p/m" 1) it's wrong (minute is min, m is a meter) 2) it often doesn't make sense in a sentence 3) I have literally never seen it used anywhere else

[hexed spruce]

Not a bad setup from 600 turbo fuel p/m

[amber umbra]

@unique cypress Often this type of game uses “m” for “minute” in graphs for reasons. That combined with many people not being in STEM fields leads to the usage.

Not ideal at all. But what can you do.

“p/m” is super weird though. Never seen that even here.

[unique cypress]

Satisfactory consistently uses either "minute" or "min". Which is why it baffles me that I've seen "m" here and only here

[unique cypress]

It's annoyingly common on the subreddit

[amber umbra]

Factorio has pretty thorough production graphs and uses “m” for minute afaik. Probs a lot of crossover. Otherwise likely people on phones regressing to the minimum amount of letters. S, M, H for time units.

But yea, I’m super picky on units and verbiage irl. Gotta pick your battles though.

[restive sparrow]

also in description of mathematics (including ratios like "per minute") the slash is doing the job of the "per" so TF/min would be sufficient

[thorn bane]

cute 🙃
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1367537203055431691

[hexed spruce]

wat

the fuk

[thorn bane]

@wind zinc those are 500/min pipes xD
3000 / 500 is 6 pipes of 500/min
500 fits nicely into 48 gens at 250%
i did use 600/min oil though but split it in 2x 300/min going into the refineries

[wind zinc]

oh

[plucky tusk]

Gonna start usin p/m seems like a good way to say it

[restive sparrow]

m = meter
min = minute

✅ PARTNAME/min

[thorn bane]

600m³/m
cancel out the m for m²

[wind zinc]

soooo
thats 600 cubic meters per meter

[restive sparrow]

which is equal to 600 square meters (or meters-squared)

[plucky tusk]

600 pm

[jagged warren]

petition to start using milihertz instead

for example: i am producing 100 mHz of turbofuel 👍

actually, even hertz might be sufficient

1 Hz = 60 parts/min

[dark nymph]

ppm
Parts per Minute 🥴

[jagged warren]

ppm is parts per million

[outer vale]

picopicometres

[jagged warren]

"part" isnt a unit so saying something like 30 iron/min is the proper way to do it according to physics

because the unit is min^-1

[dark nymph]

1 Festmeter = 1,4 Raummeter = 2,3 Schüttraummeter

dont have the englisch words

[oblique hollow]

oooh dr uhu bringing out the german words

[wind zinc]

nuh uh
ppm = parts mer meter

[oblique hollow]

percentage per mile

[jagged warren]

pioneers per mission

[unique cypress]

imo the most sensible way is x/min or x [item name]/min. For example 60 iron ore/min. Or just 60/min, just like the game does
Including "parts" is just dumb imo, because "60 iron ore parts per minute" is not a sentence that makes sense. Regardless of how you abbreviate "parts per minute".

[waxen condor]

Finally finished with my Main storage which also Produces 1 Nuclear Pasta p/min

[potent creek]

Anybody here use Satisfactory Tools? I'm having issues with it... I want to make Bolted Frames (Alternate Recipe) using Cast Screws and Bolted Iron plates but it just won't let me do it... It keeps showing me Iron Rods in the Visualization

So annoying lol

I did selected BOLTED FRAMES in the Alt Recipe section, but it keeps showing me how to make regular Modular Frames

[eager girder]

I think it only picks the alt recipes if it thinks they are actually better

you may be able to disable the original recipe though

[potent creek]

Oh really!!!

ok I guess I am making Rods then lol

I'm not sure how to disable to original recipe

[plucky tusk]

You can still use cast screws

[thorn bane]

on the right column (Base recipes) search for it and disable it

[potent creek]

God bless the Satisfactory community for being the best in the whole world

it worked. I learn something new every day

What I truly love about Satisfactory Tools as opposed to Satisfactory Calculator planner is that when I go over my mouse towards an item, it tells me exactly what I need to set the clock speed to.

In satisfactory calculator it doesn't show that

[outer vale]

or at least, it shows you one possible option

depending on the actual resource flows, it may make sense to break it up differently

[unique cypress]

1. both bolted frame and bolted plate are expensive, so this calculator won't use them unless it doesn't have any other option (it always chooses the cheapest available recipes)

2. Those clock settings are just suggestions. As long as the clock speeds of the machines you placed add up to 552% or more, it'll work

[potent creek]

hmm so what recipe would you use if you were me?

[unique cypress]

Iron Wire, Stitched Plate, Iron Pipe and Steeled Frame, if you have steel, or just the first 2 and default Frame if you don't have steel. That's what I use

[thorn bane]

just finished my coupon playthrough making 40/min warp drives for 100,000,000/min sink points and im so happy we have warp drives
my pc actually doesnt explode even though im using 92% of the oil and 40% of sam on the map
i actually got what i wanted here https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/455858725518049280/1247968308188414074
a complex part limited by sam/diamonds which is super awesome compared to the previous ADS meta that was just spamming iron wire
some pics:
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1367610089502015649
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1367602008185372713

[jagged warren]

all jokes apart, yes. item rate is dim T^-1 therefore the unit is min^-1, so for example a flow value 5/min of computers, or even better, 5 computers/min

[thorn trail]

@thorn bane are you producing anything of significance other than the 40 warp drives/min? 92% of the oil and 40% of the sam on the map seems a bit much for just 40/min. Are you slooping the BWD production chain at all?

[hollow mist]

Does anyone happen to have the production chart for 300 oil to 900 plastic/rubber?

[outer vale]

with which recipes? you could just plug it into Tools

[hollow mist]

The nuts recycling chain

[thorn bane]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=mlkNZ5aUOISS00q7jpGC
this is the planner
rest of the oil comes from 6000/min rocket fuel
im only slooping the warp drives (32 sloops)
i went with oil diamonds which is why the oil demand is so high

[thorn trail]

I'm currently doing 45 BWD/min with 6600 rocket fuel/min for power but only using around 5,520 oil. Doing a mix of oil diamonds and pink diamonds vs just oil diamonds, but that still doesn't seem like it would account for 4000+ extra oil usage. I am using pretty much all the map's sloops at strategic points in the production chain though, maybe that is the difference maker.

[thorn bane]

ye im only using 32 sloops cause i didnt wanna do a lot of exploring

[thorn bane]

are you using purely dark matter trap?
i need 1280 diamonds, maybe yours is more balanced towards sam?

[thorn trail]

only using 900 diamonds, using dark matter trap with a couple of the particle accelerators slooped @ 250%

[thorn bane]

ye thats probably it

[thorn trail]

i think i'm only touching 2 sam nodes as well, one pure and one normal

[thorn bane]

well yeah if you sloop sam or DMR or DMCs

[tender nest]

haii
im inside your particle accelerator!

[amber umbra]

@hollow mist Big picture you do:
oil -> fuel
fuel -> rubber/plastic
The rubber plastic recycling loop uses a 1:2 ratio of refineries. 1 rubber, 2 plastic if making plastic for example.

Messy notes if you need example numbers, layout.

[restive sparrow]

Haven't done the math on it yet but I'm guessing 7x3x4 industrial containers should hold enough plutonium waste for a little while.

[crimson moat]

||It'll store about 4 years worth of output from 1 plant at 100%||

[prisma kraken]

remember to engineer an egress from the storage

[marsh nacelle]

can i get this any smaller?

[thorn trail]

yes, all depends on how much clipping you are willing to tolerate and if you are willing to use mods or not

[marsh nacelle]

i havent dabbled in mods yet unfortinately

[thorn trail]

even without mods you can force the conveyor lift to be flush with the target if the starting point is in the right position

hard to do in the case you are using due to the right position being within the clipping zone of the assembler though

[vapid gorge]

Sure, feed it with a sushi belt abd only have 1 splitter and belt

[marsh nacelle]

thats some jargon i havent learned yet

elaborate?

also do anyone have like templates or something i can base my blueprints off of?

[vapid gorge]

A sushi belt is a belt with multiple items on it

A smart splitter has 3 outputs.

So you can spin a smart splitter 45 degrees and feed the 2 inputs that way and send overflow out the third

[marsh nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

i didnt even think of that

[restive sparrow]

Whatcha mean by that?

[prisma kraken]

if you ever want to recycle the waste, make sure there's a way to belt it out of the storage unit easily

[restive sparrow]

Ah yeah. Inputs and outputs are on diagonal opposite sides (which made it easy to stack them by 180 degree rotation)

[prisma kraken]

easy way to paint yourself into a corner 😉

[restive sparrow]

Would be pretty bad if you made it a spiral somehow and the end was in the middle

[prisma kraken]

no comment 😛

[restive sparrow]

Hahaha. Love when advice comes from experience.

[prisma kraken]

really more of what i did was build it in a direction where i had to run an inconvenient belt looping back out of the somewhat linear storage array some pretty long distance

[restive sparrow]

Each layer looks like this

[prisma kraken]

but we've all quickly stacked some storage crates to add space and have needed later to drain them as well, sometimes it ends up being inconvenient

[restive sparrow]

I'm putting this atop the giant mountain with the uranium node at the top. When this starts to fill up will the radiation extend way down?

Would I be better off just putting this out at sea somewhere?

[prisma kraken]

i'm pretty sure the radiation bloom is spherical, yeah

[restive sparrow]

I'm just not familiar with how big that gets.

[prisma kraken]

i favor out at sea

lemme see if i can load an old save in scim

[restive sparrow]

I was mostly thinking of putting it here to simplify drone fueling.

I have 2 drone stations up with the uranium node, one that will be bringing in packaged fuel so I can homebase the uranium delivery guy there and have it fueld that way.

If I put an island of containers out somewhere and try to drone to that those drones wouldn't have any fuel

I guess unless that container island -also- has 2 drone ports so I can import fuel there too.

[prisma kraken]

this is the bloom from a single truckstop with a stack of plut rods in it:

[restive sparrow]

lol

[prisma kraken]

so yeah, probably the bloom from a storage array, when i've temporarily set that up, iirc, it grew to about half the size of the swamp

i'd guess 1km diameter max

it doesn't matter too much anymore now that you can where the hazmat suit at all times, but make sure you have your filters automated

*wear

[vapid gorge]

Most people tend to still use 1 smart splitter per input. I’ve only seen one other person actually do one for two. I’m sure there must be others but it’s probably a small group

[restive sparrow]

True. I'm making 5/m so it wouldn't be an issue. Keeping the radiation isolated to the far reaches of the world is more for flavor than anything else.

[prisma kraken]

honestly, if you're planning on recycling in one form or another, the problem is only temporary

[restive sparrow]

My plans are unclear 😛

[tawdry blade]

unclear and nuclear

[restive sparrow]

Nice catch lol

Ok I got myself out in the middle of nowhere and for funsies I placed the blueprint like 16m down in the ocean and brought the inputs up like a snorkel, then stacked yet another set ontop.

2.5 containers' depth underwater. Burying my problems in the ocean just like real people (assholes)

I guess I'd need 2 drone ports to even take advantage of the dual inputs of industrials...such a shame

I'm only gonna be making 21.33 waste a minute anyways lol

This has been an amusing journey in overengineering.

If my calculations are correct this gives me ~1575.25 hours of storage. That should just about do it.

[bleak wagon]

thats a good amount of time

because i want to make my life difficult im using all the uranium and processing it all into ficsonium fuel rods

I have yet to finish placing refineries

theres something like 500 refineries

[thorn trail]

just an FYI, this matches reality for spent fuel rods. They are stored in a dedicated pool of water ( the spent fuel pool ) inside the facility till the rods have cooled enough for further waste processing.

[prisma kraken]

yeah, plenty of storage. the recycling always takes longer than you expect, however

[hexed storm]

Hey guys, quick question, what's the biggest nuclear power plant and the highest power production that you know of from the community?

[frosty owl]

That's something I would be pasting in search engine to answer ^^

[hexed storm]

That's what I did, but since the highest one was surprisingly low I thought to ask actual players directly

[frosty owl]

Out of curiosity, what did you find? O.o

[hexed storm]

The highest was 1.19 TW, I didn't find anything higher then that

[frosty owl]

Tbf, I'm not finding anything either. Quite a few reached that "milestone" as it was the max for a long time (before 1.0), but that was already much more power than anyone would need.
Now the max power one can make is even higher (thanks to converted Uranium and Ficsonium) and yet the "maximized" factories (with factory plans including all resources on map) require less buildings/power than before 1.0... So I reckon nobody pushed to the current limit or higher than the prior one nowadays

[hexed storm]

Oh I see, I was planning a big powerplant for my base but I didn't think it was this big compared to the usual so that's why I searched for it

[frosty owl]

Note: before 1.0 maximize factories took up to ~800 GW max (overclock included). Now they take about 600 max iirc

[hexed storm]

Ohh I see, so I'm going overkill for sure

[frosty owl]

"Max nuclear" has always been overkill, but now it's even more so 😅

[hexed storm]

Yeah ahah, just the nuclear is gonna be 1350 GW, and then I wanted to put 10 APAs too to make it 5.4 TW

[frosty owl]

Yeah, right, I forgot about those... Even less of a reason for people to push nuclear further 😅 😆

A good Reddit search might unveil some people who went over the usual Terawatt milestone (I'm trying to avoid that, sticking to Google)

[hexed storm]

Yeah, there I found someone reached the TW but not more

[quick gorge]

I'm doing some of my own sushi 😏

[hexed storm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/s/O73M4W78iF
I found a 2.7 TW one, this is probably the biggest I could find

[frosty owl]

From when?

[hexed storm]

It's 6 months old

It looks like it's the biggest recorded nuclear power plant and also the biggest power production in the game so far

[frosty owl]

It aligns with the info I have ^^

[hexed storm]

Great, thanks for the help

[frosty owl]

Always welcome~

[hexed storm]

When I build mine I'm gonna post it too

[woven swan]

Baby’s first real factory

I’m tired this took five hours it’s almost 1am all of this was for two heavy modular frames a minute

Is it good? No! Am I ever taking it down? NO! I can just unplug it and it will exist on its own because I’m too proud to get rid of it!

The math checks out though so I’m happy with that

By the time I wake up I’ll be starting phase 4

[waxen condor]

I can't believe this only took me 4 days to build https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=NKEZTsY89nuoNqkMbB0o (second tab)

[dreamy nimbus]

if only you knew what factories will be coming next

[torn plaza]

jesus christ

"yeah iron plate, iron rod, seems like a nice starter factory, oh steel too? pretty big factory, aluminium?? pretty out of pocket but okay, computers? turbo motors? nobelisks? nuclear pasta??? jesus christ"

[nocturne coral]

Iron plate is a gateway component. As a parent it's important to talk with your kids about iron plates and what they can do to your household. Say no. Say no to iron plate.

[hexed spruce]

so guys I have 2 lines of ore coming in one at 780 pm and another at 300 pm is there a way to split them evenly so each belt has 540 pm?

[outer vale]

split both in half, merge the halves?

obligatory "build the machines to match the belts"

[hexed spruce]

I'm transporting the ore via train so that doesn't really work

[outer vale]

why not?

they'll be on belts at some point

[hexed spruce]

I guess it's just peace of mind knowing both outputs are the same per minute

[outer vale]

and which part of that suggestion wouldn't achieve that?

you split the 780 into two 390s, you split the 300 into two 150s, and merge one of each with one of theother

[hexed spruce]

i meant to this

i did the split then merge thing

[tawdry blade]

This whole thing could been one industrial storage container

[outer vale]

they don't guarantee any particular split ratio

[tawdry blade]

I thought they would just alternate between top and bottom, giving 50/50

[outer vale]

nah

[tawdry blade]

jank game once again lol

[outer vale]

they have a preference, which can arbitrarily change

[tawdry blade]

What were the devs thinking

[outer vale]

probably "this isn't a splitter, so why spend time adding specific handling for this"

doing that is more effort than not 😛

not to mention that it'd then commit them to that behaviour forever

[ashen stirrup]

Or perhaps they didn't want load balancers to be easy

[outer vale]

eh, two splitters and two mergers is hardly rocket science

[restive sparrow]

You can even leave it plugged in and hooked up to DDs!

[nova steppe]

once again a pipe question, why is this flow rate dookie?

I know bottom feeding liquids is not the ideal but this setup works fine with my water

[unique cypress]

I'm seeing at least 4 things that I'd consider a bad idea:

1. bottom feeding, obviously
2. a buffer
3. manifold connection in the middle
4. an extra loop between pipe ends

[waxen condor]

why so big though ?

[waxen condor]

Wrong(I have a Storage system where one Large Storage goes to a nother and my dimensional Depo but it allways trys to fill the Large Storage befor it fills the Depo)

[restive sparrow]

Industrial containers will use the bottom output 100% of the time until it can't keep up, after which point overflow comes out of the top (from my experience)

[unique cypress]

Last time I checked (though that was like U6-U8), the prioritized output changed randomly every save load

[quick gorge]

... why are you giving me licence plate vibes KY?

[nova steppe]

The loop and manifold was considered a good idea by some tho

That's why I implemented it

[unique cypress]

After reading hundreds of comments on pipe related posts on the SF subreddit, I conclude that nobody actually knows how pipes work or how to fix issues. Including me. I do not know what exactly you did that made this setup not work. I just listed things that I don't do. And it's been years since I had pipe issues. I have no clue what I'm doing right, I just know that apparently I'm not doing anything wrong. So the things that I'm not doing are not strictly necessary to make things work. Are they helpful? Are they harmful? No clue

[woven swan]

I slept for 13 hours after completing this thing, finals season + satisfactory till 1AM is not a great idea it seems

[nova steppe]

Pipes will forever remain a mystery it seems

[woven swan]

Also! Which upgrades should I begin phase 4 by getting?

[dreamy nimbus]

it isn't

[dusky bronze]

anything related to logistics and/or getting more resources

i think phase 4 is mk5 belts + mk3 miners

maybe also hoverpack

[dreamy nimbus]

it is

[dusky bronze]

(its been a very long time since i last went through phase 4)

[dreamy nimbus]

with like aluminum, Uranium power

[dusky bronze]

first of all hoverpack then

[woven swan]

I see, I saw someone mentioning how they go into drones (which is something I’ve REALLY wanted to get) and to make a drone refueler station (drone that takes fuel to other station

[dusky bronze]

yes

[woven swan]

I see! Might also go into power quickly as well, we’ll see

[dusky bronze]

nuclear power is really good too, but its a bit tricky compared to rocket fuel

[woven swan]

The miners does sound like a good idea, I’ve mostly been depending on MK3 conveyors because I just recently got access to a surplus of industrial beams

[dusky bronze]

imo first thing you should do whenever you get to a new phase is get the new belts and automate them asap

[woven swan]

Makes sense, I just read somewhere that the even number conveyors aren’t as worth it in the beginning of the game cause the materials are just tedious

Which I 100% agree with for mk2 because like reinforced plates are a PAIN to get beginning of the game

[dusky bronze]

yes

[outer vale]

yeah you'll generally have a lot more 1s and 3s than 2s and 4s

then 5s are trivial to make in bulk and 6s are also pretty easy

[woven swan]

What is 5?

[dusky bronze]

780/min

[outer vale]

mk5?

[woven swan]

I’m guessing aluminum?

[outer vale]

yeah

[woven swan]

Yeah, like what’s the material to make them

[dusky bronze]

alclad aluminum sheets

[woven swan]

Makes sense, yeah

So the best power source for starting phase four is rocket fuel?

[dusky bronze]

theres an argument for it being the best hands down i think

[outer vale]

"best" is always subjective, but it is pretty strong. Though doesn't it require blenders?

[woven swan]

I have about 5 normal fuel generators but it’s very inconsistent cause the pumping doesn’t reach the ones at e end /(

[woven swan]

No idea, I haven’t unlocked phase four yet or even played i before

[outer vale]

so you won't be able to start phase 4 with it

[dusky bronze]

if you use all of the resources available i think they have similar power output, but rocket fuel is a lot easier to make than taking uranium ore all the way through to ficsonium

[outer vale]

heck it'll probably be one of the later things IIRC

[woven swan]

I’m using normal fuel rn, have 3700MW give or take, it spikes between 2500 and 3700 cause oil pumping is stupid

[outer vale]

didn't do turbofuel then

[woven swan]

Ah ok

I’ll be learning a lot today… once I’m done with my final exam

[outer vale]

though even for fuel that sounds low lol

[dusky bronze]

just using all the oil in the west coast i think im getting somewhere between 30-40GW

[outer vale]

if you have trouble with fluids then you will likely have trouble with rocket fuel too, since all fuel-based power builds on the previous stage of fuel-based power

but hey, learning experience

[torn plaza]

we're used to diluted fuel numbers I guess

[woven swan]

It’s only 5 maxed out ones and one not maxed out one

Like plants

Yeah

[outer vale]

yeah true

[woven swan]

625MW of power each

How do you set up these giant power systems?

[outer vale]

I can't remember how much power my first fuel plant was at this point, it's one of the few things I tore down this save to make better use of the nodes

[woven swan]

Fair enough

[torn plaza]

so long as you aren't overloading a pipe (mk1 no more than 300, mk2 no more than 600) and you allow buffers to fill, such systems work fine

[woven swan]

I’ll probably end up tearing mine down too

I’m set up at a little area with 3 nearby nodes

[torn plaza]

going between 2500 and 3700 means something isn't right

[outer vale]

make a production plan with your favourite planning tool, break it down so you're not exceeding any limits (pipes in particular), find a suitable spot, build

[torn plaza]

fortunately we can help

[woven swan]

isn’t using buffers

[outer vale]

good, that's one mistake avoided

[woven swan]

Yeah

[torn plaza]

by buffers I mean letting buildings fill up

not the fluid buffer building, those don't help

[woven swan]

Oh

[outer vale]

ah yeah, "full pipes are happy pipes" (tm)

[woven swan]

Well it’s something with how I’m distributing the fuel through pipes

[torn plaza]

full pipes are happy pipes

[woven swan]

Noted

[torn plaza]

put a screenshot of your layout here and we can help

[outer vale]

probably just some pipe throughput issues (either to low mk, or just not getting the full flow rate)

[woven swan]

Yeah probably the 2nd one

[woven swan]

Warning you ahead of time it is egregious, doesn’t even use foundations

[torn plaza]

uh oh

[woven swan]

And will be a bit of time because I have to take a final exam before doing anything

[woven swan]

In my world there are two very clear mindsets that I might have at any given time when building

“This must be PERFECT”

“The math checks out and I won’t look at it often, idc”

[dusky bronze]

gl

whats it on?

[woven swan]

I should unlock the 2nd tier of pipes

[woven swan]

Electrical properties of materials, which may include quantum physics if this final is cumulative…

[dusky bronze]

that sounds fun

[woven swan]

It’s not :(

[dusky bronze]

real

[woven swan]

I barely passed phys2 (electrics and optics and magnetism) so this is like marginally better cause it’s not a gen ed

[dusky bronze]

im gonna get nuked by a physics exam in a couple months

[woven swan]

Real, physics one or two

[dusky bronze]

12U (last physics course in highschool

also have a calc one at the same time so thats gonna be great

[woven swan]

Oof, you’re still in highschool I see

Good luck 🫡

Engineering student here, it’s better and worse in college

[dusky bronze]

yeah thats what ive heard

probably gonna go into engineering/something to do with planes after hs

[woven swan]

YIPPEE WELCOME TO THE CLUB

aerospace engineering is a thing

[dusky bronze]

yeah

[woven swan]

I’m in metallurgy, very fun, tiny major go brrr

[dusky bronze]

ngl lockheed martin might be pretty cool but maybe not with how the US is going rn

[woven swan]

The joke is at my uni: “uni students selling their soul to lockeed Martin for 90k a year starting salary”

[dusky bronze]

lockheed martin consumes all

[woven swan]

Yeah, moving on before I get political though

What is the best fuel to make a factory out of

[dusky bronze]

like for power?

[woven swan]

Ye

And do I make this thing up in the sky or where do I put it in the world

[dusky bronze]

technically the "best" i think is ionized, but the most cost effective power overall is rocket

[outer vale]

near the resources

putting it higher up means transporting fluids upwards, obviously doable but easier to not

[dusky bronze]

although rocket fuel is a gas so you can build the production on the ground and then the generators wherever you want

[woven swan]

Fair, I have a 3node spot that are all close together for oil rn

[outer vale]

with any realistic setup you actually use more power converting the rocket fuel to ionised than you gain

[woven swan]

Ah

[dusky bronze]

thats kind of crazy

[woven swan]

Wild

[outer vale]

sloops or unrealistic overclocking might tip that balance

[woven swan]

I still need to do more alien tech MAM research

And just MAM research in general…

[dusky bronze]

i havent done like any of the mercer sphere stuff lmao

[outer vale]

I wonder if maybe rocket fuel got buffed somewhere in the beta cycle, and ionised was just never changed to match

[woven swan]

The dimensional Depot is incredible

[dusky bronze]

mods to make 1000+ inventory slots are fun

[outer vale]

ew mods

[woven swan]

Fair enough but like

Dimensional depot is fun and does that for you

[outer vale]

though even 1000 slots doesn't stop you running out of something and needing to go pick some up

[dusky bronze]

i mostly just have qol stuff and a couple building mods

nothing too game changing other than the like 4-5 inventory mods i have installed

[woven swan]

Only cheating I’ve done in my game is using the save editor is to mass delete a bunch of shit and put the materials in personal chests

[dusky bronze]

ive uh

[woven swan]

So arguably not even cheating

[dusky bronze]

done a little bit (1.0 nerfed my nuclear plant so i had to cheat a few fuel rods in while i got rocket fuel set up)

[woven swan]

Oof

[outer vale]

not a 1.0 restarter then

[woven swan]

I’m using the 1.1 experimental patch rn

[dusky bronze]

ive tried starting a couple new saves but i just dont really have the time to start new saves rn

[woven swan]

Yeah the thing that stops me from doing new saves is getting through phase 1 and early phase 2 is such a slog imo

[outer vale]

fair, I've restarted on some (most?) of the major patches

[woven swan]

Gib steel gib steel gib steel to the metallurgy girl

[dusky bronze]

working on using all the uranium for a nuclear plant and i think its been 2-3 weeks now just getting the control building done and piping water to all rhe reactors

[crude notch]

i started new

[outer vale]

1.0 changed enough that restarting there definitely made sense

[woven swan]

Is it bad that I’m using the 1.1 experimental version as my main save

[dusky bronze]

as long as you have backups, no

[outer vale]

no, as long as you're happy with any potential loss

[woven swan]

Epic, cause my backups are all very far back

[dusky bronze]

i really want to get in to 1.1 but it would break all my mods and that would cause several very bad things to happen

[woven swan]

Thankfully most of the stuff isn’t done in the 1.1 stuff, fair amount of conveyors in curve mode and like 2 mergers on vertical lifts

But I don’t imagine curved conveyors are going to break 1.0, I just can’t make new ones

[outer vale]

wouldn't matter, can't revert a 1.1 save to 1.0

[woven swan]

Oh

[outer vale]

saves only go forward

[woven swan]

ralph Wiggins voice I’m in danger

[outer vale]

hence this and the "back up your saves" comments

[woven swan]

Makes sense

[dusky bronze]

you should probably make a backup soon

[woven swan]

I switched a while back and I’m too far in

[outer vale]

if something does go wrong and you have to go back to 1.0, you lose anything you did in 1.1 but at least you're not starting from scratch

[woven swan]

Yeah I have backups

[outer vale]

tbf I don't remember any experimental having anything save-destroying

[woven swan]

But all I’ve got in there is the 2500 versatile frameworks

[outer vale]

obviously early 1.1 has that thing where you've probably got a bunch of conveyor lifts running backwards, but they still work at least

[woven swan]

Yeah that, and I’m not even using much of the stuff, I’ve only used the curved conveyor option and a few vertical mergers

Time to stop procrastinating and take my damn final

[dusky bronze]

gl man

[woven swan]

Ngl that took way less time than expected, just chilling out for a few and then get back on, deciding now how I want to handle the long distance transportation of materials… I might make a sky-train place, unsure atm

[dusky bronze]

nice

trains will look better on the ground

unless you can build a sick bridge or something

i need to somehow figure out what to do with all of this

[tight kernel]

how would you guys feed these assemblers in a manifold if I only have mk4 belt?
I have the assemblers set up with 13 for rotors on the right and 13 for stators on the left,
also here is how much wire each machine needs

[unique cypress]

I'd do a 2:3 balancer and then manifolds on both sides. Maybe a larger balancer if it was more convenient for layout
Also, why are you measuring item rates in inverse meters?

[woven swan]

OH HEY!! i was just about to go into this chat to complain that I spent a bucnh of time making nice rotor factory to realize my world has this alternative and its now completely obsolte (im keeping it because ITS TOO PRETTY)

[tight kernel]

what do you mean inverse meters? if the 30/m i mean per minute

[tight kernel]

you defintely need to use alternate recipes, I'm using iron alloy ignot + iron pipe and iron wire and streel rotors. Easiest motors recipe

[unique cypress]

m is a meter, not a minute

[woven swan]

i know ;w; ive just spetn so much time making this pretty factory i'm just

[tight kernel]

if it's pretty it's worth it

[tight kernel]

for me here it is for 30 motors per minute
all of them together using alternate recipes

[woven swan]

yeah, but the amount of Iron i was using I decided to throw caution to the wind and restart

[dusky bronze]

are those panels in the walls just signs with borders or something?

[tight kernel]

which ones

[dusky bronze]

3rd picture

[tight kernel]

3 small billboards on top of each other, use the background

[dusky bronze]

i see

that looks really good

[tight kernel]

thanks mate

[woven swan]

so question: when making better fuel generators, do you use turbofuel in the fuel generators or rocket fuel

[tawdry blade]

I would just skip turbofuel by now.

[woven swan]

i see, im not there yet i was just curious and poking around in a creative worldto see what i would be doing

[tawdry blade]

Diluted fuel with belenders is enough to carry you past phase 4

And phase 3 is easily powered by even base recipe fuel

[woven swan]

yeah, thats what ive done until now, just hit phase four

currently working on motor automation cause I'm kinda at bare bones

[tawdry blade]

Yeah motors are very necessary

Dont forget to sloop the motors

[tight kernel]

why tough, I've just unlocked oil and was about to make a turbo fuel factory using diluted packaged fuel

[unique cypress]

Turbofuel is not a particularly good fuel. I mean it's not bad, but the only thing it has over regular fuel is oil efficiency and that's it. Otherwise it's just as good or worse than regular fuel. If you've got oil available and your only choices are regular and turbofuel, regular is easier

Rocket fuel is even more oil efficient, but unlike turbofuel, it's also significantly easier to make if you use the Nitro alt. And even if you don't, it takes less effort to set up, even if it's slightly more complicated

[tight kernel]

probably a very mega one using 300 crude oil so it's a large setup

[crimson moat]

For the most part i see turbofuel as a waste of coal/sulphur, and mass producing regular diluted fuel or making rocket fuel as superior depending on the phase

[tight kernel]

So i'm actually between multiple options now which are
1-Normal fuel setup using crude to heavy oil residue alternative then diluted packaged fuel > power
2- or the same set up but using the diluted packaged fuel to turbo fuel
3- or heavy oil residue to turbo fuel using heavy turbo fuel

[mossy tangle]

hey guys, what alt recepies would you think would be good for a 3rd phase factory?

[crimson moat]

#1 IMO

#3 is very efficient for going to rocket fuel, but rocket fuel's byproduct of compacted coal makes it a substantial challenge to rework a previous fuel/turbofuel setup into rocket fuel.

What you need to do with that is feed back the compacted coal into a second turbofuel stage (using the regular turbofuel recipe), and use both as inputs for the rocket fuel.

To convert a turbofuel plant into rocket fuel in that way, you have to add additional:

Fuel via HOR into diluted fuel (standard turbofuel recipe)
Refineries (standard turbofuel recipe) ^

Blenders (rocket fuel)

[tight kernel]

isn't #2 the same as 1 but gives a lot more power, but needs more machines?

[crimson moat]

It requires you to input sulphur and coal too. #1 doesn't.

turbofuel eats a lot of both for what it does

regular fuel uses none

rocket fuel uses a little for huge return

[tight kernel]

provided i have a node for each I can deliver by a train is it worth it? or I'm not gonna need that much power and I can always just run the same #1 setup on another node?

[crimson moat]

you can more easily make more power with regular fuel

[tight kernel]

I think that makes most sense until i've unlocked rocket fuel in phase 4

[crimson moat]

i would consider doing #3 as basically a planned out and half-built rocket fuel plant, in p3, to save time later. But it's complex

[bleak wagon]

how well would this work for feeding 1200 water to these blenders?

[crimson moat]

Quite possibly it would stall stuff, you're relying on 600/600 flow with junctions splitting unevenly. That causes consequential backflow, and there's zero backflow tolerance on 600/600 pipes.

Instead of running 3x4 on 2x600 with unequal splits, split each 600 pipe equally into 300+300 and run three blenders on each 300 pipe. Same supply, same amount of blenders, pipes not screwy.

[tight kernel]

i see your plan, but why go for the standard turbo fuel recipe? an easier setup would be heavy turbo fuel recipe with just turning HOR into turbo fuel with the by-product of compacted coal

[crimson moat]

You can do that but it's less sulphur and coal efficient. It may look like a relatively small difference, but it compounds because of the loopback. Maybe more oil efficient? It's better than not bothering with the loopback at all.

[tight kernel]

it's indeed much less sulfur and coal efficient (double the amount) however, much less machines and setup, so there is a trade. But all in all, mainly using the byproduct of Compacted Coal to feedback another setup like the previous one for more turbo fuel then more rocket fuel

[bleak wagon]

so something like this

[crimson moat]

yes but i would just move the ones on the end to a new row

[bleak wagon]

4 in each row works well for how my HOR is setup so i can live with the way the end pipes will be

[crimson moat]

Yeah it's fine. I honestly just didn't notice that it existed since Tools grabbed the more efficient recipe by default, it's almost as good though in terms of efficiency while being probably a lot easier to build

[woven swan]

Me realizing I can’t make diluted fuel until stage 5:

Unless I’m missing something

[bleak wagon]

actually theres a really scuffed way to do it

[woven swan]

Which I sure hope I am

[crimson moat]

stage 3 for diluted packaged, stage 4 for blenders

[woven swan]

Oh

[bleak wagon]

in a refinery you can do this

[woven swan]

Ohhh so I need to find the hard drive for it

I’m just trying to figure out the better power methods cause I’m just getting to phase 4

[tight kernel]

it is easier yes, but still using the diluted fuel gives a lot more. I made a comparison

the setup difference is defintely huge though

[crimson moat]

your numbers are wrong

[tight kernel]

How so?

[crimson moat]

turbofuel gives 1.25 turbofuel per compacted coal

turbo heavy fuel gives 1.0

so how are you getting 2.08x as much?

[woven swan]

Is turbo fuel better or nitro fuel? Haven’t gotten that far into the research tree

[crimson moat]

nitro rocket is for simplicity, efficiency be damned

[tight kernel]

this is measured for how much you're getting out of 300 crude oil. The one on the left is diluted packaged fuel set up. the one on the right is heavy oil risidue into turbo fuel

[crimson moat]

for efficient rocket fuel you do turbo heavy fuel into rocket fuel with compacted coal looped back into turbofuel

[tight kernel]

it might be that the one on the left will consume more CC

[crimson moat]

ah well

the only reason it has significant oil cost is because you're making way too much

[vapid gorge]

turbo heavy is the least oil efficient option. And every fuel step past base fuel is effectively just turning other resources (eg coal and sulfur in this case) into more oil
so in general, if you want simplicity, just make more diluted fuel elsewhere rather than truck compacted coal around

and you can easily get to nuclear on diluted set ups, if not just finishing phase 5 with it

[crimson moat]

for example if you had 666.66 turbofuel from the first one.. you'd have to be making about 5500 rocket fuel, which is WAY too much (2-5x more than required for reasonable usages)

I would recommend starting with ~1280 rocket fuel, so your turbofuel recipe input only costs 115 oil on that setup. At that point it doesn't matter if it's half or double oil, that cost is inconsequential

[vapid gorge]

this is also a handy tool that lets you create multiple tabs and compare resources used, machines, power ect https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[tight kernel]

so you mean ditch turbo and just run diluted to generators?

[vapid gorge]

a perfectly valid option. Depends what your goal is and what you find fun 🙂

if you think it's fun moving coal and suflur and mixing it all together? fucking do it.

[tight kernel]

DEFINTELY NOT

[vapid gorge]

xD then maybe just stick to diluted fuel 🙂

[tight kernel]

so perhaps just run half the setup on the left?

[woven swan]

Gotta find a butt load of hard drives then lmfao good luck me

[vapid gorge]

what I tend to do is wait until I get blenders to do fuel power. Then do blended turbo. There's a spot in the centre of the map with sulfur and oil right next to each other

[tight kernel]

a good tip is save your game after research, if it's not what you're looking for hit refresh, not what you want, reload that save and refresh again

[vapid gorge]

although there is some coal not tooooo far from there you could belt in off the cliff too

[crimson moat]

half of the left setup would be a rocket fuel plant for 165gw of power or a few thousand drones

about 79% of your turbofuel comes from the Turbo Blend Fuel recipe. The rest from the second recipe (turbofuel, or turbo heavy) and that last ~21% runs entirely on byproduct compacted coal looping.

[woven swan]

Ok that’s really smart? Do you mean like right before checking the MAM or do I have to wait 10 minutes every time?

[vapid gorge]

it chooses the recipe when you click the research

[woven swan]

Hell yeah

[tight kernel]

no you only wait 10 mins once, then save the game

[woven swan]

Ty for the advice, this makes life so much easier

[vapid gorge]

I think they mean refresh the 'rescan'

[tight kernel]

then rescan, if not what you want reload again to before the rescan

[vapid gorge]

at that point though just use Advanced Game Settings to unlock recipes for you or a save editor though

you'll want al the recipes anyway

[thorn trail]

if you are going to save scum then you might as well just install the mod to allow yourself infinite re-rolls on the hard drives and save yourself the hassle of reloading

[vapid gorge]

or that. But AGS is faster

[woven swan]

Is that something lots of people do?

[vapid gorge]

probably not.

exploring is good times and you want all the recipes anyway

they all give you options

[woven swan]

Fair

[vapid gorge]

but, as mentioned, there's in game settings that unlock all these things for you

advanced game settings

[tight kernel]

it seems that half the left setup will do me really good in the next phase, will it last me throughout phase 3 though?

[tight kernel]

you mean this recipe?

i'm sorry kinda lost me on the blend. You mean in addition to the original setup of 11gw, to create another setup with turbo blend fuel and take both to a rocket fuel setup?

also does normal coal work or does it have to be petroluem?

[vapid gorge]

yaeh I like the blend recipe. You make three 3 things with oil and then mix them back together 🙂

[crimson moat]

Right now you make 4 parts turbofuel via turbo blend fuel. Input diluted fuel, HOR, sulphur and coke. That produces 44gw (plenty for P3)

Later you add blenders to turn that into rocket fuel, and you add some additional refineries making 1 part turbofuel or turbo heavy fuel from the byproduct compacted coal. This makes 165gw of rocket fuel.

[vapid gorge]

but that's a personal thing.

as for rocket fuel I'd just suggest skipping that for power entirely

[crimson moat]

The byproduct compacted coal buys ~26% more rocket fuel with the standard turbofuel recipe, so basically you get 4/5 of your turbofuel from Turbo Blend and the last 1/5 from the regular recipe powered by rocket fuel's compacted coal.

you ignore that last 1/5 for now, because you're not making compacted coal

[tight kernel]

why

[tawdry blade]

I guess to keep the oil and sulfur and coal for different stuff

There is a lot of oil on the map, even diluted can be scaled to several hundred gigawatts

[crimson moat]

yeah you can make 150-200gw of rocket fuel for 750 oil

[tawdry blade]

I can see the idea behind skipping stages

less setup in total

I will still go for rocketfuel

[crimson moat]

for rocketfuel it's also that rocketfuel uses less sulphur/coal than turbofuel does

so you have to ship stuff that you aren't even gonna use later

[vapid gorge]

for lots of reasons?
it's tons of piping
massive fields of fuel gens that are impossible to make look good
boring?

you can have lik 400 fuel gens or like 40 nuclear ones

and even if the simple lines of nuclear power require more steps, you can make a few hubs and connect them with drones trivially. Although it's also not hard to do it in one spot either

and as mentioned before - every step of fuel is just turning other resources into more oil

[tight kernel]

so 2 sides, either diluted packaged fuel until nuclear
or diluted packaged fuel to turbo then rocket fuel

[vapid gorge]

eh. Rocket fuel is not distinctly different enough from fuel.

[tight kernel]

the blend part for turbo still seems too complicated though

[vapid gorge]

if you aren't using all the oil on the map you might as well just make more regular fuel

[vapid gorge]

it's honestly really simple. But up to you 🙂

[tight kernel]

Having a setup producing the right amounts of HOR and fuel and coke while managing by-products

[tawdry blade]

why packaged tho

[tight kernel]

will I need to save the oil for any future use? or can I go crazy with it until nuclear anyway?

[vapid gorge]

the only by product is resin and you can just sink it if you like

[vapid gorge]

entirely up to you.
if you want to make very large factories and a huge world I'd probably not rely on oil power that much. A lot of hte resource efficient recipes use oil products to pad out products

but you would need a very good computer and a fair bit of experience in the game to approach those sorts of goals

at least in a non messy way

[tight kernel]

that's if i try approaching the turbo fuel setup option with refinires right?

[vapid gorge]

no, that was more large factories needing a lot of resources. Ignoring power.

a lot of alt recipes use plastic or rubber to extend other resources

you know how Pure Ingot recipes use water to extend the ores?

[tight kernel]

otherwise if I get you correctly I only need diluted packaged fuel to generators for now, until I unlock the blenders then go for this recipe, and probably make them into rocket, until I unlock nuclear

[vapid gorge]

plastic/rubber is used tha tway in alt recipes later on

[tight kernel]

oh yes, like the iron plates once that uses plastic

[vapid gorge]

if you want. it's entirely reasonable to never use anything but regular fuel your whole game

you don't have to go massive.
and you can go straight from diluted fuel to nuclear if you want. Pretty easily in fact

I had 1 machien make rocket fuel for my jet pack. That's it xD

[tight kernel]

hahahaha

[vapid gorge]

iodized rocket fuel for the jet pack is great btw. Highly recommend

just fly forever

[tight kernel]

okay I think I'll go for that option, for me the best option is the one with the least building for power, using only diluted until nuclear seems easy however it'll probably need a lot of oil nodes and setups but simple

thanks for the great help!

[vapid gorge]

no stress. And there's a fair bit of oil on the map. You won't need much of it until you start using particle accelerators. Even then I got away with only about 32gw finishing phase 5?

[vapid gorge]

oh and if you do want to do Turbo before blenders but don't want to move sulfur and coal, i nthe centre of the map, by the lake there's all 3 resources fairly close to each other. you could make a sizeble turbo plant there

w/o lots of logistics

I think there's liike... 60+ gw there with the base turbo recipe? you might have to do a mix of fuel and turbo though.

[tight kernel]

oh where is that?

[vapid gorge]

pretty much dead centre

east of the crater lakes

[tight kernel]

found it

[vapid gorge]

there isn't enough sulfur and coal to make it ALL into TF, but the rest can be just diluted fuel pretty easily

turning all that into power will easily get you through phase 5

[tight kernel]

yup make as much as possible with the sulfur and coal, and the rest to normal diluted

[bleak wagon]

well this is a horrible sight

I got it running again

and have hopefully fixed the issue that caused this to happen

[proper laurel]

boy I hope nothing causes backups for any one of the four outer tracks
(I'd love it if trains just chose any platform set to the same name to arrive at based off of if it's populated or not, but as I've come to learn, vehicles don't think that much.)

ignore the one inner track, it doesn't handle freight service

this is what happens when you design a simplified version of Grand Central Terminal but rely off of fully automated dispatch.

You tend to do a lot of hoping.

[restive sparrow]

Hoping doesn't generally have a place in design and engineering. But here's to HOPING it works out for you.

[ancient mauve]

Of course it does. No plan survives contact with the enemy. (3D implementation)

[opaque quartz]

We’re out here vibes coding. YOLO engineering. Chill architecting

[vapid gorge]

why would you ever want trains to drop off stuff randomly to a station just because it has the same name?

assuming it's going to the same end point you'll still have throughput issues from the belts

[near smelt]

what's everyone's go to ficsite recipe? Im thinking of using the crater lakes biome for my initial ficsite and time crystal factory, the bauxite would come from the cliffes from the red forest biome, and the lake just has a sam node there although i forget what it's purity is

[vapid gorge]

never use much of it so iron is pretty easy. Especially if you use iron alloy

[near smelt]

well i still plan on making 60 ficsite/min for the mk6 belts. the other things im probably just going to produce enough for a few of the space elevator parts/min, maybe 2? idk i just got to teir 9 and phase 5 for the first time like 10 minutes ago, so i'm still looking at the matter converter thing and looking at all the nonsense that is going on in there.

[vapid gorge]

60 trigons pm is only 20 ingots pm. Very easy to do

also insanely more than you need for just belts

[woven swan]

This is where I get my fuel it’s great, there’s pure bauxite up on the cliff just west of it

[vapid gorge]

its a solid fuel spot. maybe the only spot with all 3 ingredients very close together

[woven swan]

Also satisfactory try not to add more progression of modular frames challenge (impossible) (I’ve just discovered the third tier)(god I’m tired)

[vapid gorge]

though I'm not as familiar with the 1.0 changes to hte nodes so there could be others

[vapid gorge]

fused?

don't worry, that's the last

https://tenor.com/view/agness-wandavison-wink-eye-gif-20639449

[woven swan]

I unlocked the ability to mine bauxite, panicked because I couldn’t ping for water, decided to make a sky highway blueprint system, realized “oh I’m stupid I can just see it on the map” and then finished my system blueprints

[vapid gorge]

not a fan of sky infrastructure personally, but to each their own

[woven swan]

Yeah, I’m trying to design a little thing that goes under it to make it look like it’s floating

So it’s not just there in the world

Also THERES MORE FUCKING CUBES points to pressure conversion cube

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[vapid gorge]

that's the last

[quick gorge]

Or is it?

Nuclear pasta feels like the cherry on top...

[vapid gorge]

shhh

[dreamy nimbus]

120GW and I was using like 30-40

i mean tbf I didn't build ai expansion servers and BWP factories entirely but still

[bleak wagon]

3093.72 plastic/min
1341.67 rubber/min

[dawn lark]

So I never really put much thought into trains, I'd only ever done double headed trains that ran back and forth on their own line cause I never really built anything big enough to need any more than that. And now that I've done some analysis of Time-to-Fill with help from the wiki I have found some pretty interesting stuff

These are the times that if a round trip were to exceed these you'd start to bottleneck it.

In other words you should definitely consider making copper powder and concrete right there on the mining drill, assuming you arent using an alt that would require water

Just added screws, looks like they sit right between Silica and Rods, making it still a better idea to ship rods and make screws at the destination

Besides the fact you'd essentially NEED 3 train cars/platforms just to deal with 4800/m potential throughput

[wind spade]

Kimda weird math imo, since what you should consider is "one freight car", which is usually fed by one belt, which means that only stack size matters 🤔 the "compression" just tells you how many cars you need

[dawn lark]

Well a platform can be fed by 2, with a bit shaved off for the animation time

So the only ones that push on the absolute limit are Wire and Screws

Based on the math on the wiki the limit on a single train car dealing with stack sizes of 500 would be 2,247.83/min.... assuming a perfect timing

Throughput as a function of Round-trip Duration for a train car carrying items with a Stack Size of 500 and being loaded by ×2 Mk.4 Conveyor Belts

I just wanted to find where that line was on various products that could be made locally because they only used one resource (steel being an exception since I was assuming it was being made where there was large amounts of iron and coal next to each other anyway)

[unique cypress]

Depart when empty/full adds exactly enough delay to ensure perfect timing, as long as RTD isn't longer than the optimal time

[dawn lark]

Yup, so I mainly wanna know what RTD I shouldnt exceed given these different products

[unique cypress]

Even if you do exceed it, you can just add another train and the optimal time will double

[dawn lark]

Yup, so this table is the baseline, but I do have a cell for train car count that they are all using in the formula

And these times also have the "animation constant" added in too

[wind spade]

Yeah but simple and easy is one belt per platform. You do not want to operate at limit anyway, due to possible delays on rails

[dawn lark]

Also true

Either way, I'm not targeting limit, just trying to identify it

And it makes it easier to make design decisions going into outpost creation, like if I wanna move something like a raw ore I should assume I'd need space for multiple platforms to make that time longer

But clearly a single train car could handle copper powder

[torn plaza]

did you make this yourself?

[unique cypress]

Yeah, I always do one belt per platform, because I know I'll never be bottlenecked by the animation. If I don't have enough throughput, I need more trains, not platforms

[dawn lark]

nah, from the wiki

[torn plaza]

i thought it was familiar lmao

this one has multiple stack sizes

[dawn lark]

oh I get ya, have trains always waiting to pickup/drop off so that animation time is essentially the only bottleneck that can happen, assuming signaling of rails doesnt cause a lock up somewhere

that is pretty cool, though it doesnt have Mk6

[prisma kraken]

really what's more important than the math is to keep your train usage in configurations that are below the curve

[dawn lark]

but I'm using the math to find how that curve adjusts for these 1-2 level products

oh wow, if I was to stack some accelerators and converters on a coal node I could let that thing sit for 3.5 hours before it would fill a train car hah

14 hours if it was impure

[proper laurel]

well if you have a big station with multiple platforms that all unload onto the same receiving system, it doesn't matter which platform they unload at, since they all load onto the same belts before being sorted.
That's how I designed the belt system here.

The way the beltwork is done has the trains unloading to the basement. The outer platforms use the blue arrows, the inner platforms follow the orange ones. Both follow the blue arrows to the sorting system in green. The materials to be sorted and any overflow follow the green arrows around the perimeter. Any overflow at the end continues onto the red arrows which then splits up in the corners to head to the sinks at storage level.

Since the blue and orange arrows all head onto the same belts leading into sorting, any train coming in can feasibly use any freight platform to unload with no negative effects, in theory.

[vapid gorge]

ok but the receiving end can only handle X amount of throughput, which can be done with 1 station

[proper laurel]

multiple lines from across the map all end here, so having one platform for all of them would bottleneck everything.

[restive sparrow]

The real bottleneck is how many platforms that go into one or two belts. I guess it's ok if this is all low quantity materials but you're never going to want to ship quick wire, screws, wire etc like this

[proper laurel]

though I do see what you mean with the belt capacity

[proper laurel]

yeah this is all to take excess bits and ship them to long-term storage.
The factories all use x number of items, the facilities make x+y number of items, and this is to handle the y amount so that I always have some to pick from whenever I need.

[restive sparrow]

Sushi belting can simplify a distribution topology but it gets stuck if one or more materials dominate the belts cause you need lots of them.

Frankly you can make anything work. It's just a matter of knowing the pros and cons. 👍

[vapid gorge]

the belt capacity will very quickly become full. often times 1 platform will do about 1 belt's worth of throughput

less if multiple trains are stopping there

[opaque quartz]

Just for kicks, I combined two of my drone routes into one (same source and destination) since both items were low volume. 3.2 PCC/min and 30 singularity cells/min from my pasta factory in the rocky desert over to the nuke plant in the swamp. mostly just wanted an excuse to use a priority merger

with just over 4 minute round trip time, I caluclate I need ~13.2 PCCs and 124 SCs, and that's exactly what the drone is delivering. you love to see it

previously I was oversupplying both of these items so at the nuke plant I have a full ISC of cells and a half-full ISC of PCCs - so although I have an overflow sink set up here for the sushi belt, in theory it should never be needed

[plucky tusk]

anyone know of an overflow setup for pipe? or i just gotta place em down and let it do its thing

oh wait nvm i just thought of something

[prisma kraken]

all you need to do is create a small hump in a pipe to prioritize flow to the one side over the other

[plucky tusk]

yeah i thought of a simpler solution, im makin packaged liquid biofuel but i dont want the system to back up so im gonna brun excess, just put a smart splitter after packaging then just unpackage

[prisma kraken]

that works too, but the gravity trick is simpler 🙂

[plucky tusk]

eh

[prisma kraken]

speaking of, this is my little package fuel plant - makes 300/min

[plucky tusk]

just need a canister alt otherwise i gotta bring plastic lol

[wind spade]

Well if you do 1 belt per platform, you have like 99.9% chance it will work

[wet creek]

is there a website to calculate the ratios for stuff?

[restive sparrow]

There are numerous production planners/calculators. The most popular and seemingly most effective is Satisfactory Tools.

[wet creek]

oh ok, thanks

[prisma kraken]

@restive sparrow were you asking a few days ago about a prod chain for making packaged fuel w/ built in canister prod from plastic?

[restive sparrow]

I don't recall doing so, but I made a factory just like that yesterday.

For my Drone fuel needs.

[plucky tusk]

took longer then i though bc i needed to upgrade copper production bet i got my biofuel automated

[prisma kraken]

yeah, i worked out the change for 150 oil:

[restive sparrow]

Kinda interesting that STools pushed me towards making packaged diluted fuel directly. Weird to be packaging water to make fuel but whatever lol

[waxen condor]

can drones use Rocket fuel ?

[opaque quartz]

Yes. They can use any packaged fuel IIRC

The wiki will know

!wikisearch drone

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=drone

[plucky tusk]

you can usually tell by clicking on the icon where the fuel goes will tell you what types are supported and the usage p/m

[woven swan]

Ok so I know its ugly but the problem is it doesnt work properly, I have 5 fuel generators total (one is connected right to the refineries) the math works out perfectly but the oil doesnt get distriubted and so I'll have a power output jumping between like 2500 and 3500MW

they're all fully overclocked factories btw

[woven swan]

I figured it out, im just stupid lmao

[woven swan]

the math did not work out completely turns out lmao

[plucky tusk]

lol

hardest part was the math but its a net 900ishmw from like 60 oil

80 ig

[woven swan]

im upgrading my power system to the fuel one using the two pure nodes to the east of the plains spawn

[plucky tusk]

i think pet coke is better than residual fuel for power production

[thorn bane]

they are roughly the same

[plucky tusk]

yeah 40 hor to residual fuel gets like 333.33mw and 40 hor to pet coke is 360mw

[thorn bane]

the refiners and water extractors eat that extra 30mw though

[plucky tusk]

yeah good point

[prisma kraken]

the ingredients are the same, i found it more straightforward to build with only one set of packagers

[restive sparrow]

I totally get that. It's probably the method I would prefer but I just went with what was suggested to me. Weird workflow but it works. Was also a bit of a weird plan because it doesn't kickstart itself. It had me making residual rubber as the start of the recycle loop but I needed containers to make the packaged water to kick off the rest of the cycle. I had a DD full of plastic so it wasn't a problem, just weird is all.

[restive sparrow]

Its super interesting that the part efficiency works out to be EXACTLY the same. What are the chances of that?!

[prisma kraken]

yeah, planners don't necessarily give you the best design

[thorn trail]

Are you using Maximize in SFTools or the exact number to make?

[prisma kraken]

well, the recipes for dpf and df are the same, you just did it in 4/5ths the input oil as me, so everything is .8x my build

[frosty owl]

Fine Concrete be like:

[restive sparrow]

Now that I know the diluted fuel is the same efficiency next time I would tell it to not use packaged diluted 😛

[thorn trail]

if you use the exact number SFTools seems to default to the blender route whereas if you select maximize it defaults to the packaged fuel route

[prisma kraken]

there's a small delta in the power it all takes, but it is 10's of mw

[restive sparrow]

I gave it limited number of ingredients (no sulfur, only 120 oil, no iron) and asked it to maximize.

[prisma kraken]

it just ends up being much easier to build if you leave everything in pipes until the end of the factory line

[restive sparrow]

The only reason it would default to anything would be because it's the most efficient option.

[thorn trail]

thats why then. take the number it gave you from maximize and plug that in as the items/min and watch it swap

[restive sparrow]

Totally. I'd take the small power difference.

[restive sparrow]

I never asked why it did that.

[thorn trail]

not true, if two things have the exact same efficiency in the criteria that is being sorted on then the algorithm will spit out either the first one calculated or the last one calculated depending on how it is coded

also, it appears that energy consumed is not part of the criteria to distinguish output recipes unfortunately

because the blender recipe uses less power, less buildings, and starts up quicker

so tools should always choose that over packaged when the output numbers are the same but it doesn't

[restive sparrow]

The fact that maximize and items/m give different results is cute. That's proof that it doesn't give a damn about power consumption and it's coincidental on which of equal output options get chosen.

[frosty owl]

Couldn't the results differ by an amount that doesn't display due rounding?

[thorn trail]

we are comparing this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=KDbVbD9W31yWtOMT6ajG vs this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=VDmrMBICUzIHtqoB7M6L

[deft lichen]

Tools only optimize for weighted resource cost and nothing else

power and building count are not considered

[restive sparrow]

Honestly the power difference for a small factory is small but for a big factory it would be sizable. For 120 oil (240 packaged fuel) it's 564.312 - 492.079 = 72.233 or just a bit under 15% different. The whole thing is shocking to me. Nonpackaged is a more simple layout and concept. The idea of making bottled water in order to make bottled fuel is stunningly stupid. IRL that would be WAAAAAY more steps and less efficient.

All of that said, in an ideal world it would be considering power and the packaged version should win out (which pains me to say, that's just the structure of the game)

[restive sparrow]

I am aware. That's exactly what I said this comparison prooves.

[deft lichen]

the big paradox is that most casual players are better off building a less resource-efficient factory that is smaller/less complex

[restive sparrow]

I think the entire existance of the packaged diluted fuel recipe is stunningly bad, especially the fact that you get it prior to being given the ability to make diluted fuel all by itself.

[deft lichen]

the oil loop is awesome and all, but it takes ages to build, to give an example

[thorn trail]

packaged fuel uses MORE power, not less. The only advantage of the packaged fuel route is that it is available in phase 3 vs phase 4

[thorn bane]

that recipes comes from a time where blenders werent a thing and you could only have 1 fluid input

[deft lichen]

yeah DPF is worse than DF but you can unlock it one elevator phase sooner, so it still has its place

[restive sparrow]

That's totally sensible.

[restive sparrow]

That fact should be adjusted. It makes zero sense to be able to make a thing in a bottle but be unable to make the thing.

[plucky tusk]

how would u adjust it

[restive sparrow]

Make the recipe available at the same time as fuel or diluted fuel. 🤷 Wow that was tough.

[thorn trail]

the recipe isn't the problem, the machine to do the recipe is

[deft lichen]

blenders require aluminum

[plucky tusk]

idk its an alternate recipe those are optional

[restive sparrow]

That's fine. So you don't get diluted packaged fuel until then?

[plucky tusk]

nah

[deft lichen]

--> "recipe existed before blenders"

[restive sparrow]

I know what it is. You're not going to change my mind on the fact that it's FINE the way it is, but it does not make a lick of sense.

[plucky tusk]

too much work for it to be replaced nexct phase

[thorn bane]

imo just remove the blender version
extra efficiency through extra complexity is nice

[plucky tusk]

lotta things dont make sense

[deft lichen]

it makes sense if you look at how it came to be, and consider that changing it would unnecessarily break people's factories

[restive sparrow]

That's why I haven't suggested removing the recipe all together.

[plucky tusk]

if it really bothers you make a mod for it

[restive sparrow]

Jesus christ dude read what I've said.

[deft lichen]

oh sorry, I did misread that 😅

[deft lichen]

it's 1am, cut me some slack

[restive sparrow]

You're good man you didn't say anything that misrepresented anything I said.

[thorn bane]

friendly reminder that maximize does NOT optimize resources
never build a maximize plan, it will waste resources
always use the number you get as a new input

[restive sparrow]

It wasn't for your benefit 😛

[thorn trail]

reading is tough, requires too much effort. Why can't I automate reading?

oh, that right, automated reading isn't until phase 6

[deft lichen]

don't worry, I'm pretty sure automated reading in the form of AI summaries is coming to this app sooner or later

[plucky tusk]

i made like 3 powerplants today my brain is fried lmao sorry i misread it

[restive sparrow]

allg bro

[plucky tusk]

should be good to start work on phase 3 tho

[thorn bane]

@wind spade do you know the order the solver chooses recipes for maximize that are irrelevant? like this #math-and-meta message
is it alphabetically? based on id?
for this planner i got iron alloy->basic iron->default->pure iron

[plucky tusk]

the numbers hate me

9 and 2/7 modular frames if i do 7 assemblers its be fine ig

nah we good jus a lil freaky with reinforced plates

[woven swan]

About to unlock drones, been told that making a drone system for dropping off fuel is a good idea, any recommendations on how to do that?

[prisma kraken]

once you have a drone port supplying some fuel, your satellite stations can essentially be this:

one drone fetches fuel from the supplying station and the other (one or more ports) does whatever else you need

when you set up the port supplying fuel, you don't want to give it a drone which allows multiple other stations to come and fetch from it

[bleak wagon]

this should balance the belts right?

[plucky tusk]

I think it should

[bleak wagon]

appears to be

[acoustic quarry]

hey guys i want to use my first smart splitter and i want to make a full chest of plastic and 1 uploader then put the overflow into sink, should i put the smart spliter first ? then 1 output for chest one for uploader one for sink?

[vapid gorge]

over flow to the direction you want filled last

[acoustic quarry]

ok but i should put the smart splitter before the industrial storage correct?

[vapid gorge]

well you sound like you want several things filled right?

[acoustic quarry]

1 industrial and 1 uploader

the extra into awsome sink

[vapid gorge]

so a SS , main flow going to storage , over flow to SS with main flow to uploaded and overflow to sink

[acoustic quarry]

like this ?

[vapid gorge]

well if you want to do only 1 ss sure.

it'll split eveny to storage and uploader until one is full

[acoustic quarry]

yeah its just for plastic but i wanted to make sure i will have a full storage before i dump them in sink

[vapid gorge]

this is fine then

[acoustic quarry]

ty ❤️

[bleak wagon]

I kept running into a problem of trains locking up so i hopefully overengineered this enough it works without issues

[vapid gorge]

@wispy walrus like this

top down view
curved semi circle is how the station is facing, with a platform behind it, red are engines facting the way they are pointed, with a car in the middle

[bleak wagon]

for some reason im really struggling to understand how to make a large belt compressor and I cant seem to find much on them

[vapid gorge]

that's because it's very easy to design around ever needing/wanting them

[bleak wagon]

well i ran into the experience of needing one that takes 13 inputs

[vapid gorge]

use what's on the belts. Or design it so that you are putting on a belt the parts you need

or use over flow splitters on a belt to send to excess to another spot

[wind spade]

Planner doesn't "choose" recipes, but solves the whole thing as optimisation problem

[acoustic quarry]

idk why i dont understand, i produce 600 oil per min and i got 20 refinery (10 plastic)(10 rubber) and yet my last 6 refineries keep turning off because they run out of oil i even used 3 mark 2 pumps and mark 2 pipes

[bleak wagon]

alright i will go back to figuring this out ig, do you know of anywhere I can look more into belt compressors?

[vapid gorge]

did you pre flood the system?

[acoustic quarry]

i did it ran smoothly and now it keeps turning off

[vapid gorge]

you c ould add a loop

[acoustic quarry]

ill try ty

[vapid gorge]

and then re flood

[vapid gorge]

also jsut in general V, having fewer junctions on a manifold probably makes it inherently more stable, so in the future you could stagger the refineries to feed 2 from a junction.

[bleak wagon]

alright i finally seem to have made progress on this. belt compressors have issues with recipes that output multiple items each cycle, theres buffered compressors as well, is that able to mitigate that issue?

[vapid gorge]

shrug no idea sorry. I don't bother with them so I have no solutions around them

[bleak wagon]

alright, might as well try it out then

[vapid gorge]

I've seen some youtube tutorials linked on them before, but also people commenting on having trouble implementing them

maybe priority mergers in 1.1 will make them easier?

[bleak wagon]

maybe, Im still not really finding much on how priority mergers would be implemented into it, maybe I should do some testing into that myself

[vapid gorge]

considering they are very new I'm not surprised

[bleak wagon]

yeah

[vapid gorge]

but I'd guess you'd have a smart splitter set to over flow to another belt to 'compress' it, but have it flow into a priority merger that wouldn't let any flow unless the belt wasn't full

and then the same thing down to that belt a little further on?

[wispy walrus]

think i got it now, thanks again. now just need to rebuild it on a longer track in between my bases and with 4x freight cars on the train and 4x platforms per station to optimize

[bleak wagon]

I think i figured out how to setup the priority merger

yeah it seems like the priority mergers should have my problem solved

[open carbon]

“Isn’t dark ion power negative?” “Don’t do ion fuel, it’s power negative!”

You have all coerced me out of ion, the question now is, should I do ficsonium, or plutonium for recycling?

Which ones gonna net me more power and less sanity loss?

[robust raptor]

It's up to you, I'd actually say rocket fuel is a good option if you don't mind placing a lot of fuel gens and don't want to deal with the logistics of plutonium / ficsonium

Rocket fuel is dead simple and makes a lot of power

Plutonium is simpler than ficsonium and has a higher power ceiling since you can scale it up to all the uranium in the world for 630GW (just uranium rods) if you need to

[open carbon]

Thanks, I’ve already done nitro rocket fuel, and I think I want to do plutonium to sink it, ‘cause I have done it before and it means lots of points.

Maybe I might do like 5 uRods/min.

[vapid gorge]

I just wouldn't burn plutonium

[vapid gorge]

use plutonium to power drones and trucks 😛

[open carbon]

But what about those juicy coupons? Think of the nut!

[vapid gorge]

over flow the extra rods from vehicles to the sink

1 p rod is worth like... 250 batteries.

you don't need many to power a shit ton of drones and trucks

[open carbon]

I could use the rods to power the drones to get the uranium.

[vapid gorge]

it's a good plan

[open carbon]

I’ll do that first thing when I return to 1.1 when it releases.

[opaque quartz]

I’m running a bunch of drones off of only .2/min of excess plutonium rods and sinking the overflow

[acoustic quarry]

hey guys how can i add more shalker and stuff to my save? i mean more than the max amount

[plucky tusk]

Shalker?

[acoustic quarry]

those things you make overclock core's and stuff

[plucky tusk]

Sorry im just unaware of the vocabulary ur using lol

[opaque quartz]

You mean Power shards?

[acoustic quarry]

yeah

[vapid gorge]

well you can unlock Slooping and double the number of shards per slug

that gets you TONS
and later it's much easier to get them

[acoustic quarry]

i want more power shard and mercer sphere

[opaque quartz]

You can use advanced game settings to change anything you want in the game, but it disables achievements (cheat mode)

[vapid gorge]

well with slooping you can get at least 5000 shards from slugs on the map

and there's 200 spheres

[opaque quartz]

298 😬

[acoustic quarry]

where is this setting i cant find it in game play

and i can add more mercer sphere?

[vapid gorge]

maybe? its called advanced game settings, it disables achievements

[opaque quartz]

!wikisearch AGS

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=AGS

[vapid gorge]

just go exploring they are everywhere

[acoustic quarry]

thats what im trying to skip xD, but the only spot i saw advanced game settings it was before i created my save

[vapid gorge]

then use mods to cheat

you really don't need many spheres anyway

[opaque quartz]

You can turn on AGS at any time, it will disable achievements for that save

Or use mods. Or a save editor

[acoustic quarry]

ok ty im reading the document

[opaque quartz]

IMHO exploration is one of the best parts of the game and you are missing out, but it’s a single player game so do whatever you like 😊

[hollow pumice]

So I currently just need 500 Modular Engines to complete Phase 3. Decided to setup a rudimentary factory by the oil patch in the Desert Canyon. Realized with some alts and Mk3 Miners I can easily crank out 300 Smart Plating per minute, and if I can acquire 2250 Rubber and 300 Motors that can be 150 Modular Enginers per minute. Is it even remotely feasible to scale that into 60 Thermal Propulsion Drives per minute, or am I just going mad?

(this is obviously going to be a Phase 4 Project)

[plucky tusk]

Should mess around with some alt recipes might be able to reduce resource consumption

[opaque quartz]

Alt recipes always have tradeoffs. So it’s usually trading one resource for another

Or introducing another one to reduce the base resources needed

[hollow pumice]

That's what I'm trying to do for Motors since they eat almost 10,000 ore/min. Haven't found a good combination yet that significantly reduces that.

[plucky tusk]

Key word might

[opaque quartz]

If you have quartz available you could look at the rigor motor alt

[plucky tusk]

Copper rotors too

[thorn bane]

probably gonna run out of nitrogen

[plucky tusk]

Steel rotor would make it way more simple

[thorn bane]

also keep in mind that modular engines are slow to make
do you really wanna build 150 manufacturers?

[opaque quartz]

There’s really no reason to scale up elevator parts to that level of production unless you are trying to go for lots of sink points

[hollow pumice]

You're right though, it eats 12000 Nitrogen/min which is exactly as much as is on the map.

[opaque quartz]

You’ll spend way more time on the build itself than you would have letting a more modest build cook while you do other things

[hollow pumice]

True. However, number go up.

[opaque quartz]

Indeed

[plucky tusk]

Yeah thats why i avoid using the calculator. Gets me into trouble

When i do the math myself the factories become more reasonable

[opaque quartz]

IMHO I would save the bonkers projects for post-game. Save the kittens and puppies first (and unlock all the milestones)

[hollow pumice]

Turbo Electric Motor cuts out Cooling Systems which cuts Nitrogen consumption in half

Insanity is back on the board

[thorn bane]

oh no

[plucky tusk]

YEAH INSANITY

[thorn bane]

btw this is make 20/min TPR
#screenshots message

[hollow pumice]

challengeaccepted.jpeg

[plucky tusk]

Oh yeah thats righ i seen those single stack manufactories lol

[thorn bane]

hm im getting 72% bauxite use
which is a lot but seems doable?

[hollow pumice]

Is that with any alts?

[thorn bane]

this is definitely not the worst super factory idea ive seen
4800 buildings is up there but not toooo bad if you have a good pc

[hollow pumice]

I'm doing this on my laptop lol

I'm currently deployed overseas and need a long-term project to keep my occupied

[plucky tusk]

[quick gorge]

Do tell us when it sets on fire <3

[hollow pumice]

This is definitely not all going in one location

[opaque quartz]

Maybe get a fire extinguish to keep near your desk

[thorn bane]

yes, 8280 alu ingots

man i hate turbo electric
but you gotta do what you gotta do

[hollow pumice]

Heat-Fused Frames cuts 1500 Bauxite

[thorn bane]

honestly go for it, if you want a big project
maxing TPRs has always been fun since they dont use too many buildings and use cool ingredients
i went for ballistic warp drives which you make out of TPRs but theres no way you can make 60 of those xD

[hollow pumice]

I should probably finish Phase 3 first lmao

[thorn bane]

if anything fails you can still use your sloops to suplement what you need

[thorn bane]

oh this is also gonna use HUGE amounts of power xd

[hollow pumice]

That too