math-and-meta

[amber edge]

as long you automated phase 4, phase 5 is easy

[dusky bronze]

U8 phase 4 was "fun"

[fallow siren]

for reference, this save was finished under 50hrs

[prisma kraken]

i still wish there was a hard mode option that gave goals that required a lot more stuff

[amber edge]

how even

i entered phase 5 with almost 300 hours lmao

i really take my time tho

[fallow siren]

i reach phase 4 in under 20hrs and the rest goes to phase 4&5

[amber edge]

yeah i will say phase 4 is the longest phase

[fallow siren]

this is the abomination i made in that save

[amber edge]

smart location

rocky desert, red woods, grassplains right next to it

[thorn bane]

idk 1k pasta is a lot

[amber edge]

lot of resources

[fallow siren]

that place is nice cuz oil is nearby and u can get all resources within 1km

so i just belted everything

[amber edge]

as long you actually automated them in phase 4, its easy peasey, just play normally and it will be done

phase 4 pushes you to build infrastructure around map, to me

[versed violet]

Actually not. With old milestone when it required 1k in phase 4, I manged to get that manufactured in less time than it took to build the factory that made it.

[amber edge]

then phase 5 you have system going

[thorn bane]

idk was always one of the last for me
maybe because of the copper

[amber edge]

sure it eats lot of copper, but theres plently enough in world, as long you have worldwide rails its easy task to bringin copper from any corner in map

theres three pure copper nodes west of red wood, thats 3600 copper ores

i mean east

[thorn bane]

je just checked i was at 480 when i finished the other 3
oh also my interesting power xD
pretty sure the 3 parts where made on battery power alone

[normal mirage]

how long did it take to a factory for that power?

did you use nuclear power plant to get what much gw?

[fallow siren]

no, im using rocket fuel and APA

[prisma kraken]

a month or 3, idk 1.0 came out in september, i kind of put it down around christmas

[normal mirage]

is it better to use rocket fuel or nuclear?

[thorn bane]

rocket fuel

[vapid gorge]

I mean it's up to you. Nuclear you don't have to deal with infinite fields of generators and pipes

1 nuclear gen is like 10 fuel

[normal mirage]

so if i want ot make like 100-130gw of power nuclear would be better or rocket fuel?

[vapid gorge]

define 'better'

[versed violet]

do you have hazmat suit unlocked?

[vapid gorge]

there is generally nothing in the game that is strictly 'better' unless you narrow your definition a fair bit

[versed violet]

nuclear does not require pipes. Except for generators themselves (need water), everything else can be done in dry method

[amber edge]

nuclear power itself comes from steam lol

[vapid gorge]

If you want a fair bit of power I recommend nuclear. The base recipes are pretty straight forward and you can get a shit ton of power from them.

[normal mirage]

which one is eaiser to work with

[vapid gorge]

for most people , less pipes = easier

since a lot of people have issues with them

[amber edge]

they heats water into steam which turns turbine proving energy and condenses into nuclear water waste, nuclear power is not dry at all

[vapid gorge]

you do have to decide what you're going to do with the waste , but storing it is simple enough

[versed violet]

shh, don't turn them off!

[normal mirage]

wdym

don't most recycle waste into power?

[vapid gorge]

they do. But it's more steps

[thorn bane]

you tell me

[vapid gorge]

it's pretty easy to set up a large blue printed storage in the corner of hte map if yo uwant to though

[versed violet]

recycling waste does require piping

[opaque quartz]

I finished my second playthrough w 75 GW, including fully automated pasta. I was doing the container->slooped machines for the other elevator parts tho

[vapid gorge]

on top of bad opinions on piping Zyr has shared with you an overly complex system with all the more complex alt recipes

a fairly straight forward uranium plan https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=IUfuhrqXq7PVux2itEJ3

[opaque quartz]

300 uranium ore can make up to 90 GW by itself depending on alts used

[vapid gorge]

but you can also use more Uranium and simpler alts if yo uwant and likely have more power than you'll ever need

[opaque quartz]

Yup

[vapid gorge]

there's basically nothing else it's used for so unless you need that extra power no need to save the uranium

[opaque quartz]

I’m almost done w my ficsonium build. Getting the plutonium plants going now to start making the waste

[thorn bane]

my condolences

[opaque quartz]

The build itself is straightforward, it’s the logistics that are a bit hairy

But I think I’ve got it all sorted

Only going to burn 3 plutonium rods/min which will net me another 75 GW

And half that again for the ficsonium rods

[normal mirage]

how much power it is going to make?

[normal mirage]

if i were not to recylce the waste how do i store it?

[opaque quartz]

From a single impure uranium node 300 ore/min:
Uranium 4.8 rods/min - 90 GW
Plutonium 3 rods/min - 75 GW
Ficsonium 15 rods/min - 37.5 GW
202.5 GW gross

I’m making 3.2 plutonium rods/min but using .2 for drone fuel and overflowing to sink

[opaque quartz]

Lots of industrial storage containers. Uranium plants produce 50 waste per rod burned and waste has a stack size of 500

A single ISC holds 48 stacks which is 480 rods’ worth of waste - equivalent to a single NPP running continuously for 2400 minutes (40 hours) generating 2.5GW

Based on the number of rods you plan to burn you can work out the rate of waste generated and therefore how much storage you would need for a given runtime

You can cram a lot of ISCs in a blueprint so it’s a viable strategy. Just find a corner of the map you don’t care about to store the waste

[prisma kraken]

if you sloop the fics rods, you end up doubling that step and eliminating the need for extra DMR

[opaque quartz]

Yeah. I’m opting to sloop the reanimated SAM constructors instead since they are cheap and I only need four of them to fully tap the pure node on top of the swamp waterfall

[prisma kraken]

well, in the words of a sage: why not both?

[opaque quartz]

Fair question. I probably don’t want to build any more NPPs after this lol

Even w blueprints it is time consuming

Although the 1.1 auto-connect works pretty well!

[prisma kraken]

i haven't really found much use for it yet, but when i've tried it, it feels a bit unpolished

[eager stirrup]

Are geothermal generators worth it? Or would it be best to just solely use my fuel powered generators.

[prisma kraken]

i'm guessing that's going to get some fix-ups before experimental goes mainline

[opaque quartz]

Yeah it’s got some rough edges at the moment

[opaque quartz]

It’s free power

[prisma kraken]

geotherm isn't ever going to make you enough on its own. what it is great for is 1) starting up a new factory on the other side of the map and 2) providing a power baseline that you can use to bring your world back up after a catastrophe

[opaque quartz]

The output is variable, however, so it will make your power grid lines wavy which some folks really hate

[prisma kraken]

some people also like running their rails on it as a separate grid and keeping all the variable power naughties on that grid

[eager stirrup]

Ah, alright. I knew of the fluctuating it had, so I wanted to know if it was something that I could just skip over or not, good to know it's pretty much only used for small projects.

[prisma kraken]

well, if you tap enough of the geotherm wells, you get a fair bit of power that's very decentralized. it most certainly isn't enough, but it can defer the need to build you next power plant until after your next big factory

i think that's probably the biggest benefit of it is being able to kick the can down the road

[eager stirrup]

I've had the thoughts of not having the power to start another fuel extractor and refinery for fuel, so the geothermal doesent take power to start up? That'd make making sure I have the power to start a fuel generator less worrisome

[prisma kraken]

correct. building a generator on a well is insta-power

[eager stirrup]

Oh nice, that'll end up being very helpful, thank you.

[prisma kraken]

i think in about every playthrough i've had, there's a phase where i run around and build out geotherm on all the wells just to stay well in the black

[opaque quartz]

If you already have HSCs and modular frames automated they are easy to plop down wherever

[vapid gorge]

you can also build power storage to kick start any project you need. Pretty simple

[prisma kraken]

it used to be a lot pricier to build them and less worth the hassle

[opaque quartz]

I wouldn’t beeline the research of them specifically

[eager stirrup]

I'm probably going to start alien power augmenter tomorrow. Anything I need to know before starting or is it pretty straight forward?

[vapid gorge]

they're just a machine. Just dupes power

[fallow siren]

wdym? just placing the APA or actually automating alien matrix?

cuz u wont be able to until very late game

[eager stirrup]

Alien matrix? I may not be far enough to even use the apa, I have no clue what alien matrix is

[fallow siren]

no need to know

late tier item

[eager stirrup]

Ah, alright

[sonic sparrow]

how many aluminum ingots should I be aiming to build with my first plant - would ~600 get me through the game or should i be aiming higher?

[eager stirrup]

God, i just realized how early game I am since I have no clue what you just said lmao.

[quick gorge]

Well I'm needing 224 doohickies a minute to make 112 magufins

[prisma kraken]

the alien power matrix tech comes very late. you can start using the APA's for the 10% buf early (and should!). feeding the matrices in their belt port raises the power bonus to 30%

[fallow siren]

build how much you need "currently"

personally, my first aluminum plant for mk5 belt and some casing use 150-300 bauxite

the rest it really up to you

[prisma kraken]

i like sizing it to 600 baux on a pure node initially since the belts come as a quick unlock

[sonic sparrow]

yeah thats what i usually do just debating if i wanna go bigger from the get go

[prisma kraken]

i'm a big fan of designing stuff anticipating the next tech level and then retrofiting the faster belts in after

[eager stirrup]

Ugh, I'm so stupid. I set up computer and circuit boards on one conveyor using a merger and completely missed over the fact that that causes it to completely stop if one is produced faster the then other into the manufacturer

[sonic sparrow]

don't feel bad, i accidentally mixed up an iron ore / iron ingot belt that fed 30 assemblers. 😦

[eager stirrup]

I've set up entire automation lines completely forgetting the smelter multiple times

[fallow siren]

you could evade all those problem if u just kept one item per belt

[eager stirrup]

I was low on materials for mk4 conveyors belts so I had to set it up with one conveyor to go ahead and get it started and completely forgot about it, I have a temporary fix right now, I'll fix it right later when I have the materials

[oblique flame]

I'm trying to use up 2520 nuclear waste to make 22.4 plutonium fuel rods a minute, but I cant seem to do that without using the fertile uranium recipe (and I'd rather not have covert stuff into extra uranium for that) am I missing something or did the recipies get changed

[vapid gorge]

are you trying to math things out by hand?

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=1ODV0Xy6TaIKmCOdYaM7

[vapid gorge]

here, using all the alts https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=NDFu6pHpCCHW0tLasOQ0

-fertile

[oblique flame]

they must have changed the recipies.. since before 1.0 ore conversions.. you could do 22.4 plutonium

[vapid gorge]

you can.

in the last link I sent you
that you did not check

[oblique flame]

instant plutonimum cells

[vapid gorge]

?
you said 22.4 p rods pm, without fertile alt, and 2520 uranium waste

that's what that last plan is

[oblique flame]

yup, i was just trying to find what would give me that, Im trying to add in alt recipies one at a time to futz with the numbers without giving me stupid supply chains

Thank you 🙂

[vapid gorge]

they didn't change the recipes in 1.0 for this

[oblique flame]

indeed, you are correct

[vapid gorge]

at least not the ones pertaining to waste and uranium

[oblique flame]

i just didnt have instant plutonium cell selected

[frosty owl]

Cries in clogged Sushi Fuel Rods

[lapis jetty]

Mildly organised factory

[pastel obsidian]

nice work

[open carbon]

@lapis jetty very neat.

[lapis jetty]

Yay

Compared to my aluminium production this is incredibly neat

[open carbon]

@lapis jetty you get a /10

[pastel obsidian]

what did you do to your aluminum production?

[open carbon]

@pastel obsidian I tried to fit mine in a mk2 blueprint designer.

[lapis jetty]

I built this last night and i was very tired

[open carbon]

@lapis jetty hey if it works it works.

[lapis jetty]

This is a better view of the chaos

[lapis jetty]

Its producing things if it ever has an issue i wont know why

[open carbon]

Hmm, kinda organised not gonna lie.

[pastel obsidian]

I have my bootstrap setup on a mk 1 bp I think

[open carbon]

@pastel obsidian neat.

[pastel obsidian]

its ugly as fuck but i am proud that it all fits on one backage

[open carbon]

@pastel obsidian you should be proud.

[pastel obsidian]

awe thank you

[lapis jetty]

Is it worth getting more power setup

[pastel obsidian]

what are you using

[open carbon]

@lapis jetty maybe try setting up nitro rocket fuel, it nets you about eight gigawatts

Just remember to dispose of that compacted coal.

[lapis jetty]

Ok

Is t[hat a researshed thing or is it unlocked from phases

[open carbon]

@lapis jetty rocket fuel’s basic recipe is in the sulfur tree, once you unlock it you can get nitro rocket fuel as an alternative recipe.

Nitro itself takes fuel, nitrogen, coal, and sulfur. You need 100 fuel/min for it which you can get from the diluted fuel alt recipe.

[lapis jetty]

OKay

[open carbon]

Good luck.

[lapis jetty]

why does it need hard drives

[open carbon]

@lapis jetty is that turbo fuel?

[river plover]

Until yesterday the https://satisfactory-calculator.com/ worked fine with my saves. Suddenly stopped to load on 51%. Does anyone experienced this? (I'm using the 1.1 game)

Error message

Something went wrong while we were trying to parse your save game...
Please try to contact us on Twitter or Discord!
Source: undefined

[lapis jetty]

ye

[outer vale]

says right there maybe you should try contacting them on their discord 😛
obvious first thing'd be, are you on the right version (top-right)?

[open carbon]

@lapis jetty its counted as an alt recipe. Once you unlock it though, it will unlock two other fuel types, one of which being rocket fuel.

[river plover]

Oh! Sorry. I clicked the wrong Discord icon in the page.

[open carbon]

@lapis jetty

[lapis jetty]

cool

[open carbon]

@lapis jetty some might say…

Neat.

[lapis jetty]

Some may

others are suffering pipes not having a straight mode

[open carbon]

@lapis jetty yeah, straight mode is just an absolute jem of a feature.

[lapis jetty]

fr

If i have 480 crude oil pm i need 8 refineries to use all if it to make fuel right?

[open carbon]

You can use an alt recipe called diluted fuel, it only requires 100 water/min and 50 heavy oil residue/min for 100 fuel/min.

you need to have blenders unlocked first though.

[lapis jetty]

i have blenders but Im setting up a new oil procsessing thing so i dont have any heavy oil residue

[open carbon]

Do you have the alt recipe that makes residue just from crude oil?

Cause if you do then you can just over clock a single refinery to make 50/min.

[lapis jetty]

I dont

Also i already have everything placed for making crude oil into fuel

[open carbon]

Okay then, either method works.

[lapis jetty]

I already have Rubber and plastic automatesd so should i just sink the polymer resin

[fallow siren]

use the resin for even more plastic and rubber

[lapis jetty]

But i dont need more

i already have an excessive amount

[pastel obsidian]

Sink it, if you need it you can make something out of it later

Make a little fabric too

[lapis jetty]

im already making fabric

[crimson moat]

I built 400 on my first aluminum which was fine for basics (automating sheets for belts, fluid tank storage/upload etc) but in P4 i spent way more than that. A few thousand more between everything i think

[tawdry blade]

Did 720, which allows for more uses of alternate recipes. Those aluminum beams are dope

Also gives a nice ratio
24 pure aluminum smelters
5 sloppy alumina at 80% 2 run on pump, 3 on byproduct water
4 refineries making scrap

[full heron]

my coal power setup. for some reason the coal gens 1 and 2 shut down randomly because of lack of water

if i clock the extractors to 120m³/min it works. at 90 it doesnt for some reason even tho it should be exactly the amount needed

[vapid gorge]

overhead images of the whole thing

could easily not have the head lift

[full heron]

at 120 suddenly it has enough lift tho?

[vapid gorge]

120 is water

not head lift

that's why show everytihng

overhead shots

[vapid gorge]

yeah absolutely not aenough headlift

[full heron]

since when does flow rate affect lift ability?

[vapid gorge]

it doesn't

you need pumps.

[full heron]

then explain how at 120m³/min it has 0 problems

[vapid gorge]

this definitely goes higher than the 10m headlift from the extractors

[full heron]

is headlift loss gradual?

[crimson moat]

When you're in the boundary between having adequate headlift and not, it slows down flow rate in some circumstances rather than preventing it completely.

[full heron]

i see

[vapid gorge]

head lift from machines is always 10m,

from pumps it's whatever it's rating is

[full heron]

yea ok, this never affected me in the past because i apparently always built that half meter lower that was enough

[vapid gorge]

seems likely 🙂

also when you have something that adds or changes headlift it resets headlift. So you can't just spam pumps in one spot and stack headlift

[lapis jetty]

I cba to figure out rocket fuel rn so this is with turbo fuel

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/558721941410807812/1360937214846177323 this was it before

[upbeat summit]

ok so i have like double the amount of resources that i'm planning to use when i'm building this factory, any advice on what should i build more?

[vapid gorge]

what's your next milestone you need to do? build something for that

[open carbon]

@lapis jetty good job buddy! good luck with the pasta!

[upbeat summit]

hmm valid enough advice honestly

[vapid gorge]

it's hard to tell people what to do in a sand box 😄

[upbeat summit]

well for stage 4 i think i hven't inputed a few things

but i was thinking that since i have so many resouces still lying around

maybe i could increase their per min production

[vapid gorge]

valid 🙂

[lapis jetty]

Pasta is tasty

[dusky bronze]

is this what im supposed to do when having 2 stations going to the same spot?

[open carbon]

@lapis jetty mmmmmm, neutron stars… scrumptious!

@dusky bronze can you provide more details?

[dusky bronze]

i've got 2 stations above me, each going to the same train station

[open carbon]

@dusky bronze uh then yeah!

[lapis jetty]

Btw remeber that you can reply to messages and that still pings the person

[dusky bronze]

if i had 2 trains instead, the throughput should be 600 for each container

[vapid gorge]

whad do you mean by '2 stations going to the same station' ?

[open carbon]

Oh that’s way easier.

[vapid gorge]

do you mean 1 belt to ISC, 2 belts to platform?

[dusky bronze]

ive got 2 belts going out of the platforms and 1 coming out of each ISC

the belts coming out of the ISCs are being merged

[vapid gorge]

yup, fairly normal buffering

[vapid gorge]

if that's enough throughput , sure

[dusky bronze]

we'll pray it is

[vapid gorge]

well calculate how much throughput each platform is expecting. Build according to that

[open carbon]

I’ll pray for backup

[dusky bronze]

thank you

[dusky bronze]

thats just (amount of items/time for train loop) right?

[vapid gorge]

well you know how much you're trying to move onto any particular car right?

[dusky bronze]

yes

[vapid gorge]

so merge as needed

if car A + car B's throughput is equal to or less than the belt, you're good

[south canyon]

Is this the biggest rocket fuel setup? Of course not. Is this the biggest power setup I've ever made? Absolutely.

[vapid gorge]

definitely too much 😛

[south canyon]

142.222x Turbofuel Refineries 🙃

@250% clock speed that's 266GW roughly tho!

[open carbon]

Wow

[south canyon]

Plenty for my phase 5 shenanigns.

ngl I'm not a fan of nuclear, not because of the process, but because waste is a pain in the butt.

[vapid gorge]

a lot easier than infinite fields of pipes and fuel gens

[south canyon]

At phase 5 I see now that I can get rid of it, but I may as well just scale up my current power.

[vapid gorge]

the base recipes are very simple

[south canyon]

also I learned that

with base Turbofuel, if you run a single generator at 250%

[thorn bane]

no turboblend?

[south canyon]

it's 1:1, since the generator consumes 18.75, and the refinery makes 18.75

[open carbon]

I imagine you had a tough time with steel pipes?

[south canyon]

I gave it the maximize rocket fuel, and it ended up choosing the standard recipe.

made sure they are on just now

hilariously I'm actually oil limited in the location I'm doing this and not sulfur limited.

tho I am cheating by bringing in an input of 1200 compacted coal/min

[thorn bane]

ye i guess default TF is more oil efficient

[south canyon]

I'm using the Lake Forest oil location, which maximum can yield 1200/min

it also makes a hearty amount of resin!

The REAL challenge is fitting 143 refineries in a single location.

and make it look neat.

I do have a legit question, and that's WHERE to try to fit this lol

for the map view bottom right ping is off-site compact coal, middle right is Diluted Fuel, middle left is HRO, and far left is on-site compact coal, should I try to take this northward?

[heady anchor]

that really confuses me.. if set to 30 m3/min it lets through around 28 m3/min but not 30 m3/min - if you set it to 32 m3/min you will get about 34 m3/min lol (i need 30 btw xD) its one thing in whole world that I check regularly because I don't want the system to get clogged (fortunately the tank fills or empties very, very slowly - so I don't do it often lol) 😄

[south canyon]

is the pipe capacity full?

[outer vale]

valves only have 256 actual valid values, anything set in between will just round

if this is a recycling setup, usual recommendation is to just completely separate your fresh and recycled water

[south canyon]

That, and the pipe's capacity also affects it too, as a pipe that isn't full all the way won't have optimal flow rate.

[heady anchor]

yes, pipe are always full

[south canyon]

Then the issue is what @outer vale stated.

[oblique hollow]

no, thats no longer accurate

[heady anchor]

oh yes but thats just 30m3/ min of fresh water xD

[oblique hollow]

28/min = 30/min flow

[outer vale]

in 1.0 or 1.1?

[oblique hollow]

pipes and valves just dont accurately display flow

[heady anchor]

1.0

[oblique hollow]

1.0 AND 1.1

[heady anchor]

ooo i see

[oblique hollow]

if you set 45/min, it will likely show some value close to 45 but never actually 45

but when you check the pipe, it will likely be closer to 45

so take everything with a grain of salt

[south canyon]

Huh, didn't realize they changed that.

[heady anchor]

its funny when i set up as u wrote (28m3/min) its says i get 28,3m3/ min xD

[oblique hollow]

regardless, if this IS an aluminum build with water recycling, a valve likely wont prevent the system from locking itself.

[oblique hollow]

when it displays 28/min, but you set 30/min, its likely 30/min
when you set 28/min and it displays 28/min, its likely 28/min

[heady anchor]

it is, but i guess its fine for me ..i got industrial tank connected to get over flow of water

[oblique hollow]

it always +- a few percent difference in what you set vs what you will see

[oblique hollow]

the precise layout of course always matters. No build is alike

and even identical builds can perform differently

[south canyon]

I usually like to just use the excess water for something I can then sink.

Something inconsequential like wet concrete for example.

[oblique hollow]

the display accuracy of valves and pipes i believe is still close to like 256 values
but the actual flow rate values underneath are much more accurate

[south canyon]

As I said before with aluminum, you either dump the excess water into something that you don't mind sinking, or purposefully under-run the input water to avoid any possible excess.

Pure Iron/Wet Concrete are decent things to pour that excess into.

since both iron ore and limestone are VERY plentiful.

[thorn bane]

no just separate fresh and recycled water

[oblique hollow]

the other alternative is that you CAN recycle it in aluminum, but you need to seperate byproduct and fresh water.
that method is guaranteed safe

the seperation means that freshwater can never lock up the system

[south canyon]

Isn't that highly ratio dependent, though? Depending on the scale of it you may not really have the option for that I feel like.

[oblique hollow]

and if byproduct water is missing, the system naturally has less alumina, which means theres even less water.
It naturally self regulates

[oblique hollow]

yeah of course but its not that hard to pull off

you just take all the byproduct water and process it to alumina, then make up the rest of the missing alumina from fresh water

you can clock things however you want

[heady anchor]

🔵 fresh water (30m3/min), ⚪ old water

[oblique hollow]

yes there is a fixed ratio of fresh water to byproduct water, but thats the same for if you do a closed loop or a split water loop

[oblique hollow]

Instant scrap?

[south canyon]

To be fair, I used open loop, but mine never backs up and, as far as I can tell, runs optimally anyway.

[heady anchor]

also good idea xD

[oblique hollow]

instant scrap is very safe no matter what you do.
in fact, it doesnt even need fresh water (in the loop part) if you just run it to the sulfuric acid refineries

[heady anchor]

yes

[thorn bane]

i recommend coal gens, since you have coal (or petr. coke) there anyway

[oblique hollow]

Instant scrap is a different story compared to alumina + electrode scrap or normal scrap

[heady anchor]

as wrote the tank fills or empties very, very slowly - so I don't do it often hehe

[heady anchor]

oh yes on this set up i do not produce silica. alt recipe

[south canyon]

Oh real quick, someone mind nudging up the channel and seeing where my turbofuel refineries would fit? The planner screenshot is up there close by with it.

Less aesthetical question, more just "how fit" question.

[heady anchor]

i mean its ok, its just 30m3/min but get really confuse about the valve flow and wanted to ask u guys..

[south canyon]

Looks back and forth, staring at his sloppy alumina setup. So about that.

I'm using VERY LITTLE.

[restive sparrow]

Depending on what recipes you're using you need a different ratio. I've set up a blueprint for sloppy alumina that pairs up with a blueprint for electrode scrap. 4 refineries each. It scales pretty darn easily. Each block of 8 refineries takes in 600 bauxite, 240 coke, 180 fresh water and makes 1200 scrap.

[south canyon]

Seeing that reminds me.. normally I dislike the Leached recipes. With one exception and that's caterium.

Pure Iron Ingot (7:13) vs Leached Iron Ingot (1:2)
Copper Alloy (1:1:2) vs Leached Copper Ingot (9:22)
(woopsie had the ratios reversed)

they feel like they have marginal benefits compared to caterium's.

Caterium has worse ore to ingot numbers , and since leached offers the highest per minute and is less wasteful, if sulfur isn't a problem then I would prefer to do it over pure.

[thorn bane]

i really wish theyd buff them
the extra refinery for sulfuric acid just makes it kinda not worth

[south canyon]

Higher per minute numbers?

or just better ore-to-ingot numbers?

or both too I guess.

[thorn bane]

per minute numbers

[open carbon]

Wait, what are we talking about again?

[south canyon]

Leached recipes.

[south canyon]

Iron and Copper seem good, until you compare them to the pure/alloy ones.

[open carbon]

I’ve literally never used a leached recipe.

[south canyon]

Caterium doesn't have the same luxury, so it's the best use case.

[open carbon]

Pure recipes are just great.

[thorn bane]

they make low numbers/min though so you have to spam a lot of refineries which kinda sucks

[wind spade]

or until you start thinking locally

[open carbon]

But the refinerys go brrrr

[opaque quartz]

alright, we're fully operational

[open carbon]

How could you say no to one?

[brazen kettle]

What is more effective between pure aluminum ingot and the regular recipe?

[oblique hollow]

leached copper is less than 3% behind pure copper

[oblique hollow]

pure makes less aluminum

its up to you what you prefer

[thorn bane]

default is bauxite efficient
pure is quartz efficient

[brazen kettle]

So it makes less but it easier to deal with

[oblique hollow]

yes

[open carbon]

Pure aluminium ingot can be paired with sloppy alumina and the basic scrap recipe.

[outer vale]

Sloppy Alumina and Pure Aluminium Ingot let you control how much quartz you want to use. More quartz = more output per bauxite

so "best" depends on how you value the two

[brazen kettle]

How much bauxite is there in the world

[wind spade]

a lot

[thorn bane]

12300

[oblique hollow]

you will never use that much unless you are a special kind of player

[south canyon]

ohp beat me to it

[thorn bane]

eh, warp drives kinda inhale bauxite

[oblique hollow]

actually, i just remembered something.
leached copper does have one benefit over pure:
its much more worthy of being slooped

especially overclocked

IF you ever wanna do that for some reason

[thorn bane]

why would you ever sloop something so early in the chain

[oblique hollow]

i dont make the decisions, just listing stats

[south canyon]

I think the qualifier @thorn bane was IF.

The classic adage of "You can do something, but should you?"

[thorn bane]

60 warp drives uses 100% of bauxite using 5171 machines
at 250% oc thats like 2000 machines
thats definitely doable

[heady anchor]

leached recipe is 1.1 recipe?

[oblique hollow]

no

[thorn bane]

1.0

[heady anchor]

never saw any lol

[south canyon]

I actually ended using leached caterium in the end.

I just... legit don't have a use for a sulfur node in the vicinity, but do need a lot of quickwire (and wire).

That and I didn't feel like training over more caterium.

[heady anchor]

i use pure recipe only when i got access to water or simple want use water i produce.. otherwise i go for others recipe like: Copper Alloy Ingot, Iron Alloy Ingot etc (these two give you a lot more and cost a lot less - the needed power for the production itself is much less than using a refinery)

it's good to have a variety of recipes, you adapt the factory to the environment, not to the recipes you have.. which often makes logistics easier.

[dusky dust]

Then again, you only have to make 200 of them, so automating them to the point where global aluminum availability starts to be problematic puts you on the "special kind of player" category. :)

[thorn bane]

well yeah its for coupons
but 60/min isnt super crazy
like thats something i might go for, with only 2000 machines
its definitely not as crazy as other "maxing out the world" builds

[south canyon]

Jesus, how many of the drives/min could you make before that becomes a limiting factor? (assuming no phase 5 shenanigns)

[dusky dust]

Right, I'd personally call that a special kind of build. :). There are degrees to everything, of course, but 60/min of any elevator part puts one in the "I'm doing this to myself" category. :)

[oblique hollow]

hmm.. come to think of it:
The one case i can imagine slooping a leached copper refinery is with a factory making all kinds of copper parts.
With the unique exception of nuclear pasta, i dont feel like any other of those recipes are really worth the somersloops.
The cost of 2 sloops is not a lot when compared to the amount needed to make other kinda of products worth it.

like.... i aint gonna sloop wire constructors or copper sheets (pure or normal)

and following it down... circuit boards.... alclad....heat sink...

[lapis jetty]

thats a lot of power

[south canyon]

Uh... so ran the tools through, apparently 72.491 drives/min assuming no phase 5 shenanigns. Good grief.

fully uses up all bauxite in the world.

[lapis jetty]

nice

[thorn bane]

depends on alts i guess
its already using all for 60/min for me
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=X0SPmrimb2bICkhCV4EZ

[lapis jetty]

whats wrong with tier 2 pipes

[open carbon]

Some might say… neat

[thorn bane]

mk2 pipes dont do 600/min in long manifolds, they do like 550

[lapis jetty]

so just have short manifolds

[south canyon]

I can't see to view the visualization part.

[thorn bane]

well yeah but for stuff like turbofuel that isnt really possible

[crimson moat]

It's the same issue for all pipes btw, backflow through unevenly split junctions eats a % of their flow rate

[oblique hollow]

its not long manifolds, its uneven splits

[opaque quartz]

I saved the day at only 75 GW (mostly diluted fuel + rocket fuel). Didn't do any of this nuclear build until post-game

[oblique hollow]

the more uneven the junction has to split, the worse it gets

[crimson moat]

• but multiple uneven splits also compounds the problem

[oblique hollow]

Believe it or not, junctions like splitting up the input evenly among the connected output pipes

and if they dont get to do that, you get backflow

[thorn bane]

well yeah but most people dont do 300/min pipes
mostly cause coal needs 360
but theres lots of people trying to do 600/min turbofuel pipes

[dusky dust]

Various aspects of the fluid simulation become harder to deal with once your throughout approaches 600/min, but you can work with them even then

[oblique hollow]

truly the best case scenario would be to just divide the network into smaller pieces

[thorn bane]

well long manifolds is 99% the cause of uneven splits

[oblique hollow]

and just... use more pipes

[dusky dust]

The easiest way to get reliable 600/min on mk2 pipes is via some specific and (IMO) non-obvious build techniques

[thorn bane]

soooo do not use 600/min pipes but multiple <600 pipes
yep

[south canyon]

Also where go?

Right ping is off-site compact coal, middle right is Diluted Fuel, middle left is HRO, and far left is on-site compact coal. Where do I put the 143 refineries? lol

[dusky dust]

600/min on mk2 is generally fine so long as you follow the usual advice

[crimson moat]

for coal i do and recommend this #math-and-meta message

truly the best case scenario would be to just divide the network into smaller pieces

most efficiently done right before the manifolds, like this:

[oblique hollow]

yeah, so you just gotta make an "even" split and then have the fluid be input into the network at multiple points.
once you split the 600, you are below the flow limit, so now uneven splits acan be handled by the junction again

[dusky dust]

I use 600/min fluid manifolds pretty frequently and basically never run into problems nowadays

[oblique hollow]

loops are but one answer to an "initial even split"

[thorn bane]

yup thats 120/min and not 300/min

[crimson moat]

example of 100% pipe flow (you don't need nearly as many arms)

[opaque quartz]

just like my first time around, the more time consuming part of the nuclear build was the logistics (6 train stations sourcing caterium, coal+sulfur, iron+copper ingots, quartz, bauxite, and uranium+reanimated SAM). the actual production side was comparatively easy. now I need to figure out how to decorate and enclose this

[dusky dust]

On mobile right now so I can't paste my usual block of text. :)

[crimson moat]

basically impossible to screw that design up haha

[thorn bane]

eh the 3:8 design isnt really rocket science

[crimson moat]

It's needlessly complex for people who don't understand the fluid systems

i spent hours trying to diagnose problems with 3:8 when i started out, and people regularly show up asking the same questions

[thorn bane]

well yeah but it doesnt require slugs and doesnt waste buildings

[crimson moat]

Using 9 gens per 120 coal and 1:3 doesn't require slugs, it just requires 1 extra gen per 120 coal which is basically trivial

[oblique hollow]

the 3:8 can also just be 1 and a half to 4

[crimson moat]

e.g.

[dusky dust]

I do think it's amusing that we go from "keep your pipes as simple as possible" and then also recommend the 8:3 piping. C'est la vie!

[crimson moat]

Yeah. This pic is 1:3, x3 (per 120 coal)

then x4 again.

36 gens total instead of 32, but the piping is dead simple. As simple as you can get without doing 1:1.

120/300 on the pipe. Extremely short pipe, one even split. You cannot screw it up

there are a whole host of ways to screw up a longer, merged 3:8 pipe.

This: https://i.imgur.com/QhoE5aF.png is un-screw-up-able. It's independant, it doesn't go anywhere near flow rate limits etc.

[oblique hollow]

i truly believe the pipe system cannot be redone in much any other way without changing the aspect of verticality / headlift

most common solutions to pipes dont even bother with any verticality aspect

[crimson moat]

A massive simplification would be to allow for valving through a junction by adding valve functionality to either pipes, or to junctions. But that would greatly trivialise piping.

[oblique hollow]

eh, you can make use of valves after junctions in some cases actually.
it behaves rather well

but everyone would need to test and verify that on their own

im not up for arguing that point unless others are willing to test it

[crimson moat]

Better, in some cases, but you can't valve through the pipe<>junction<>pipe connection

so it backflows a lot still and fails

less than a naked manifold but still to a problematic extent that you have to design around

[oblique hollow]

again, run a test for some cases.

[crimson moat]

I've ran a ton of tests, others have too in collab, it still breaks in all of the same ways but just sometimes more slowly / less severely - since you cannot valve through a junction with the valve being its own part and not being able to connect to a junction.

[thorn bane]

dont think im ever gonna touch valves
just dont think they are necessary since we have solutions that work without them

[oblique hollow]

the solution factorio used where all pipes just turn into a big pipe unfortunately doesnt do well with verticality at all

if you wanna do verticality, you would either

1. have to do the math per pipe again, which is where SF's current model is better
   or
2. make a head lift check for the entire network first and if it fails, input no fluid into the pipe at all

[thorn bane]

i mean their pumps disable after x tiles
would it be that hard to change that logic to disable after x headlift?

[crimson moat]

If you had a valved junction for example where you can put a flow limit per-side, such as 15/600 left and 575/600 forwards, you could eliminate the issue. Such a part exists IRL, but we can't do it ingame.

If you had a valved pipe where you could only allow a pipe to take in fluid from one side, it would also eliminate the manifold issue.

[oblique hollow]

If we had that, the case would likely look like this:

1. machine makes fluid. since all connected pipes share the same volume now, all pipes start filling equally
2. some condition check notices that we are exceeding head lift
3. the machine stops inputting fluid

now you would add the pump, which would split the network.
But the case for "what if there is no pump" is the one that looks super weird and unnatural

factorio has all pipes instantly get access to fluid within their "extent" range

and with verticality involved, this would look very unnatural

[upbeat summit]

is there any mod that could tell us how much of any ore we are producing in the whole game?

[thorn bane]

would it?
like the machine cant output fluid since the headlift is exceeding
doesnt sound too bad to me

[oblique hollow]

you'd have to ask on the modding discord.
or you use the interactive map website, it shows you statistics

[oblique hollow]

yeah but in the meanwhile the entire network magically filled to a certain %

[thorn bane]

isnt that what pumps do already?
they fill above headlift and then shut off sometimes when exceeding the headlift

[oblique hollow]

they current logic has pipes communicate one by one, segment per segment

not the entire network at once

[brazen kettle]

Aluminum sheets aren't nearly as important to mass automate than casings right?

[oblique hollow]

in the current one, pipes fill bottom to top.
in the "shared volume" model, all pipes would fill equally and then stop

seeing a network like this partially fill every pipe and then stop is akward

[thorn bane]

ye thats true

[oblique hollow]

the machine on the other end would already have some fluid

and then all of a sudden "whoopsies sorry, cant fill more unless you add a pump somewhere"

[thorn bane]

and stuff like VOP would break

[oblique hollow]

overflow wouldnt exist anymore

unless we got a new kind of valve that only opens once the network filled up to x%

and an accurate pressure system likely wouldnt work because flow would only exist if theres a pressure gradient between every single pipe

so you naturally have a pressure loss

and no damping and whatnot means you just get nasty oscillations

because freakin harmonic oscillators
we already have our problem with these in the current model, but its somewhat ok at handling those

though i only need to mention buffer to buffer connections

[thorn bane]

well if they are the same network then they wont fluctuate right?

like all buffers are at the same %

[oblique hollow]

assuming we talk about the model similar to factorio, yes

but i was talking about realistic pressure systems right now

[thorn bane]

ah

[oblique hollow]

without friction

as our current model doesnt want flow losses due to horizontal distance and we likely wont ever want that to begin with

[atomic forge]

Hello,
Does anyone have a Nuclear Plant layout that has as much efficiency as possible, but still has no waste (sinkable)?

I tried Reddit and YouTube, but what I found is that most of them don't take care of the waste.

[wind spade]

what kind of "efficiency" are we talking about?

[atomic forge]

Getting as much power as possible

[wind spade]

"as much as possible" is converting entire world of resources to power, you won't have any resources left for other projects (and your PC would die)

[atomic forge]

I need a new PC anyway 😂

[wind spade]

any PC would die. It's practically impossible to build that much

[atomic forge]

But I just meant using the 2100 uranium all for power

[crimson moat]

i believe that you get 630gw (without converters making more uranium) and can make all of that waste into plutonium rods to sink

with converters and sloops, you might be able to hit terawatt range (as it's not that hard to make 2100 uranium, doubling what you can mine on the map)

but i am not 100% sure of any of this, haven't made a concrete plan yet

[wind spade]

then you have several options:

• burn UFR, store UW
• burn UFR, process UW to PFR, sink PFR
• burn UFR, process UW to PFR, burn PFR, store PW
• burn UFR, process UW to PFR, burn PFR, process PW to FFR, burn FFR

for each of the options, there's multiple alt recipes that you can choose and it's basically up to you (and your local resources and preferences) which will you do

[atomic forge]

I don't want to deal with the waste. So it would have to be the second one, with sinking the PFR

[atomic forge]

That's also what I got 🙂

[wind spade]

second or fourth option is for you then

[thorn bane]

yup thats pretty good

[atomic forge]

The fourth option has no waste?

[wind spade]

FFRs don't produce any waste

[thorn bane]

just remember to not use the plutonium alts, since the goal is to get rid of the waste

[atomic forge]

I don't know all of the acronyms, so I'm not sure what FFR is

[thorn bane]

ficsonium fuel rod

unlocked in tier 9

[atomic forge]

Looks like my Nuclear just got postponed then, I just finished tier 8

[wind spade]

XFR = fuel rods (Uranium/Plutonium/Ficsonium)
XW = waste (Uranium/Plutonium)

[thorn bane]

honestly it kinda sucks though
so i would still go with 2.

[atomic forge]

Thanks 🙂

[atomic forge]

Because it's a big hassle to make?

[thorn bane]

yes and very expensive

[atomic forge]

Can I make the second one with Tier 8 finished?

[thorn bane]

its the last mileston of tier 8 so yes

[atomic forge]

630 GW should be fine as well 🙂

[dusky bronze]

would anyone be able to help with pipe inefficiency?

[wind spade]

better to ask specific question with images in #1038092680493801533

[thorn bane]

630GW is A LOT
you sure you wanna build that much
you realistically probably only need a third of that

[wind spade]

not that big of a hassle, but it's basically not that much extra power (but has the advantage of being wasteless)

[atomic forge]

Do I need uranium for something else? If not, I might as well get the power from it 🙂

[wind spade]

not really

[dusky bronze]

technically nuke nobelisks but i think thats about it

[atomic forge]

Wasn't the second one also wasteless?

[thorn bane]

its more the amount of machines
like think of it as using all the coal on the map for power
thats a lof of buildings

[atomic forge]

I just use cluster bombs

[wind spade]

yeah, but you're sinking fuel rods, which is also "wasting" potential power

[atomic forge]

If it's not that more, I think I'll be fine 🙂

[wind spade]

plutonium practically doubles your uranium power

[thorn bane]

my "hassle and very expensive" was when comparing 2 to 4

[atomic forge]

I'm using 165 GW now at maximum, but I'm around 100 GW at maximum consumption

[wind spade]

which is just making ficsonium (and P plants)

[atomic forge]

It also postpones my power upgrade, so it kind of makes sense to me

[wind spade]

tbh even just doing basic uranium and storing waste is completely fine

[thorn bane]

yup
making fisconium is a hassle (since dark matter) and very expensive (LOTS of sam)
imo its not worth

[atomic forge]

Definitely. I just don't want to

[thorn bane]

like it uses freaking nuclear pasta

[atomic forge]

I'm the set and forget type 🙂

[atomic forge]

That's a pain 😛

Haven't automated that yet. I'm just using the dimensional depot to fill it up atm and let it run for a while with sloops

[white bloom]

it really isn't, yes. If you want to stay sustainable, keep it at burning uranium rods and sink the plutonium rods. The opportunity cost in upcycling to ficsonium is enormous. A combination of uranium and rocket fuel power can cover anyone's entire power demand

[wind spade]

can cover anyone's entire power demand
depends on the scale you build at

[white bloom]

really no, because it covers even the demand of production chains that utilize all world resources

[thorn bane]

honestly just go rocket fuel only xD

[atomic forge]

I did, for now. But I also want Nuclear 🙂

[wind spade]

I doubt it does, you're most likely using outdated information

it did pre-1.0

[thorn bane]

ye i get that
i mean i personally also just like making complex parts so making ficsonium was fun
its just personal preference

[wind spade]

but with addition of SAM and tons of variable power machines and T9, it won't cover max possible production

especially if you clock and sloop a lot

[white bloom]

you're wrong about that: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink/Theoretical_maximum_of_points

that's with clocking and slooping

[wind spade]

where exactly does it say the power used?

[wind spade]

so yeah it doesn't cover, as you're making RF as well

[white bloom]

you can sort by the column power used in ascending order, so the negative recipes are listed on top

1% uses uranium only. 100% and 250% use uranium and rocket fuel only

[thorn bane]

"A combination of uranium and rocket fuel power can cover anyone's entire power demand"
this is a combination of uranium and rocket fuel

[white bloom]

so yes you can fully overclock and oversloop everything to the max and have all covered with just uranium power and rocket fuel for best results

[dusky bronze]

things seem to have sorted themselves out since yesterday

[wind spade]

I was talking about nuclear covering power needs, not nuclear+something

[white bloom]

you were responding to me

#math-and-meta message #math-and-meta message

[thorn bane]

just miscommunication
but ye honestly just rocket fuel is probably enough for all "realistic" factories
and the fact that its only 2 steps with the alt is just crazy

[wind spade]

I haven't seen the "RF" in the message

(also I hate RF)

[atomic forge]

Which recipe is that?

[dusky bronze]

i should be making 220GW with my rocket fuel setup but its 60GW short of that for reasons i cant even begin to fathom anymore

[white bloom]

you're not mistaken, because there was no "RF" in my message. I literally spelled out rocket fuel 😄

[wind spade]

you know what I mean

[white bloom]

yes 😉

[atomic forge]

Thanks 🙂

[white bloom]

worth remarking that the optimal solutions tend to use a combination of both rocket fuel recipes, so it isn't a case of Nitro RF being flat out better than the other. It's probably about not tapping too deeply into some resource that's also needed elsewhere, rather spreading the load a bit.

is a visualization of the 100% chain, barring I made some mistakes hand-pasting everything in gephi, lol

[quick gorge]

That's a colourful consolation. . .

[viral sparrow]

this is incredibly hard to understand lol

[thorn bane]

oh thats interesting
do you know why

the relevant part

[white bloom]

• orange: resource
• purple: item
• blue: default recipe
• green: alternate recipe
• dark-ish green: power
• red: sink

[quick gorge]

Astrology is weird man

[thorn bane]

i can see rocket fuel in the stars

[quick gorge]

OH shit, I tried to look at it on my phone and it wouldn't render so all the words weren't readable so I thought it was a bad picture and that's why I made my joke but nah it's my phone, looked on ma computer and it's fiiiine

[white bloom]

it's just the result of the linear programming solution. It's incredibly hard to verbally or causally interpret sometimes. I gave my speculative reasoning in the comment you linked.

so we know for sure that this combination of recipes gives (within the assumptions, for the stated goal) the optimal result, but we don't get to have a nice explanation for this or that. Not like a linear chain of thought at least. Rather it all in all works out to be the best like that.

[wind spade]

also depends on what "optimal" means

since "optimal" doesn't necessary mean "max"

[white bloom]

(within the assumptions, for the stated goal)

[thorn bane]

i wish there was a tools planner for it
like i could figure out he U8 one, with all the different ratios of wire etc. just took some time

like a lot of it is just recipe A uses up all of some resources so you complement with recipe B

[wind spade]

for what?

[thorn bane]

the max coupon build

[white bloom]

yes, those are the easiest cases to identify. But it can also be because one of the recipes taps into another resource from which another recipe produces another item very efficiently, but using up some yet another resource, and at the point where the latter is used up it cannot consume more, so then the remainder of the former resource can be used by that original recipe. and so on and so on, arbitrarily many steps removed.

[thorn bane]

i wonder if you just increased the available nitrogen if it would only use 1 recipe (leaving everything else in place)

[white bloom]

I can try that, wait a moment

[white bloom]

nope, it still uses both recipes. 4915 /min from standard, 2720 /min from nitro

[thorn bane]

interesting
what planner are you using?

[white bloom]

my own python script 😄

[thorn bane]

ah :D

i wonder if i could make a tools planner if i just multiplied out the sloops

[wind spade]

wdym?

[white bloom]

for comparison, with normal resources: 3883 /min from standard, 3660 /min from nitro. So actually, increasing nitrogen availability pushed the optimum more towards the standard recipe somewhat, but it doesn't go further than that (I gave it basically all the nitrogen it wanted, it chose to only extract at 18% clock speed on the well pressurizer, so after some quantity nitrogen stops being useful just like it used to pre-1.0)

[thorn bane]

like instead of 110.238 warp drives i do 110/2+0.238=55.238
and set that as goal for tools

[white bloom]

if you want to make a certain amount, yeah you can do that. Just have to keep the additional power cost in mind.

and if you use maximize you can think of the output getting doubled after the fact if you have enough sloops and power to do so

this is with the decision on what recipe to apply the sloops being already fixed

[thorn bane]

yes

something like this
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=7iNXjkeqxLw9qCtI7scF

[white bloom]

the hard part is figuring out where to use them in the first place, but the generally circulating advice "use on end products" works out well for what I've seen with the recipes the game has. That's not a mathematical necessity, like there could be recipes where it's better to sloop some intermediary steps, but with what's there this rule of thumb works just fine.

like with the points maxing it's "fully oversloop all your ballistic warp drive production, dump the leftovers on AI expansion servers" and that's the end of it, lol

[white bloom]

yup, no problem there. you can think of whatever you're going to oversloop as having doubled output. if you wanted to oversloop an intermediary you could add the amount as an additional input to account for that but with end products it's no problem either way.

[thorn bane]

@wind spade wait does the map only have 69300 limestone not 69900?
tool is saying 69900 wiki is saying 69300
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Resource_Node?diff=prev&oldid=55283

[wind spade]

no idea

the numbers in tools are from way back when 1.0 came out

and those were sourced from anthor

[white bloom]

SCIM says 15|50|29 limestone nodes, implying 69300. Apparently one limestone node was downgraded from pure to normal at some point.

[thorn bane]

oooooooooooh ai expansion server outputs dark matter residue
which i dont get if i dont sloop it
god dammit thats why the planner was wrong

[opaque quartz]

alright so after some consideration I think I am gonna sloop the ficsonium rod QEs after all. I set up the dark matter residue feedback loops to split fresh+waste, but it's jamming up right now because I didn't build up enough of a stockpile of plutonium waste to feed the whole system when I turned it on. this is causing one of the particle accelerators to stutter which throws the whole thing off. this means I need to collect four more sloops and redo some plumbing and then build another 6 NPPs. but it'll be much cleaner in the end

[oblique hollow]

this is aluminum water recycling but with fancy non-gas fluids

[opaque quartz]

yeah. I mean I approached it the same way (two sets of QEs/PEs) but the low volume of plutonium waste is the sticking point. if i left it alone or powered it off for a while and then let the waste accumulate, it would work 100% fine

[thorn bane]

except its 10x easier to just turn into crystals instantly and then deal with it as solids

[opaque quartz]

if I did nothing, or powered it all down for a bit, it would sort itself out

too bad there isn't a DMC -> Residue recipe

[thorn bane]

oooh wait yes you actually need the gas for ficsonium nvm

[open carbon]

I NEED to see what your power graph looks like.

[opaque quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1361009757162438898/image.png?ex=67fd329c&is=67fbe11c&hm=1fcf104da9ebe0ebb486d8708c740df4496784cf1f0c2d9bd0e7fc24c0606ab1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1290&height=960

[open carbon]

Oh wow

[opaque quartz]

75 GW from my original power grid plus another 205ish from this full-chain nuclear build

[open carbon]

Neat!

[opaque quartz]

the 200+ GW from nuclear is a single impure uranium node 300 ore/min

[open carbon]

Also neat!

[opaque quartz]

agreed. this is post-game tho, I didn't build this until after I had saved the day (which I did with only 75 GW from diluted fuel + rocket fuel)

[open carbon]

I see.

[thorn bane]

just checked
i did fresh DMR into ficsonium and then used the ficsonium rod DMR as crystals for warp drives etc. with an overflow sink
that way it always runs at 100%

[opaque quartz]

yeah, that works too. akin to sinking wet concrete out of aluminum production

I didn't want to have to source more SAM for dark matter residue production since i was already using so much for the trigons

[thorn bane]

ye thats fair

[dusky bronze]

is there a certain way im going to have to start up my aluminum factory to keep the water moving?
im using byproduct water for most of the water, and all of the alumina solution refineries have been prefilled by freshwater. I've prefilled everything i can

this is what im doing to distribute the fresh water across the pipes, with all the valves i have are there going to be problems

[wind spade]

usually you have separate group of refineries running on waste water and separate group on fresh water

and don't use vavles, ever

[dusky bronze]

is there a way to have it so that the fresh water doesnt backflow into the byproduct water refineries or is that just not a problem

[wind spade]

separate them, physically

[arctic saffron]

i used valves and my factory worked perfectly whats bad about them?

[dusky bronze]

so keep it like it is but remove all the valves?

[crimson moat]

They can't fix every problem with pipes bidirectionality because you can't connect them directly to junctions

They had a bug with flow restriction in the alpha and some people have bad memories of issues back then, or haven't played since

[arctic saffron]

oh fair enough

[wind spade]

they have no use

[crimson moat]

I and others around here have objectively demonstrated several useful applications of valves in 1.0; chiefly they reduce or prevent sloshing in some applications. Sloshing reduces effective pipe flow capacity because of the same fluid going back and forth, counting multiple times against the pipe flow limit

[opaque quartz]

!wikisearch alumina+solution

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=alumina+solution

[opaque quartz]

^^^ wiki has diagrams demonstrating the ratios for separating waste+fresh based on the different recipe combos

[dusky bronze]

ive figured it out

a couple hiccups when i started the factory but things have been sorted and im making 12000 aluminum ungits/min

[pastel obsidian]

You want one pipe that is connected to one reactor and two water extractors and that is it nothing else and no other pipes

[dusky bronze]

it was for aluminum

[pastel obsidian]

Oh that's a lot of water

[dusky bronze]

using all the bauxite

that screenshot was only half the water

[pastel obsidian]

Nothing really I think sometimes it causes your factory to go below 100% efficiency because of how the flow is calculated and some people use valves to solve sloshing which they don't do is why I think it gets a bad name

[heady anchor]

And for me 16GW it’s a lot, damn xD

[tawdry blade]

Tbh its simple math.

[crimson moat]

Valves do reduce sloshing, they just can't entirely prevent it when a junction is involved as they can't be connected directly to a junction

[opal locust]

Well, I've done all the milestones, MAM research, and alternate recipes. All that's left is to build factories for the Phase 5 parts

[opal locust]

thankfully my Supercomputer factory is making 2 per minute, so this setup is doable for Biochemical Sculptors

Though after this, I may have to finally look into rocket fuel for more power

I did run around and hook up every geyser with geothermal generators to my grid. I won't say no to free power.

[eager stirrup]

Is there an easier way to location somersloops? I've been using a mix of radar towers to find general location and item locator to find them but it's a bit of a pain

[fallow siren]

use scim

[vapid gorge]

online save editor scim, 100% exploration spoiler though

[willow harbor]

@vapid gorge

[pastel obsidian]

If you are playing on 1.0 there are some mods that help finding them easier as well

[vapid gorge]

yeah pretty much what I expected 🙂

[willow harbor]

that is 3 water per 8 coal

but I think i am simply missing 120 per min of actual water flow

[vapid gorge]

it looks like they're all interconnected though?

[willow harbor]

Uhhh

There are 6 water pumps for each row of 16 coal burners, there are two pipes stacked on top of eachother that loop at the right end of the line

[vapid gorge]

yup, why you're missing the throughnput.

[willow harbor]

But I only have mk1 pipes so I think I cant move enough water is what I was saying

oh okay so we were in agreement

[vapid gorge]

but in general keep fluid systems in smaller sections. Much easier to trouble shoot, you'll save yourself lots of pain in the future

[willow harbor]

awesome I think I know how I am going to fic it

ficsit*

[opal locust]

all that for 5 Biochemical Sculptors per minute, that's 1 Phase 5 project part done.

[viral sparrow]

where's the converters? or are you importing trigons

oh yeah i see them all the way on the left lol

[opal locust]

4 drone ports, from right to left, plastic(for caterium circuit boards), rubber(for caterium computers), supercomputers, and trigons

[viral sparrow]

because of how i set up my ADS in the previous phase i ended up with 24 biochemical sculptors/min and that thing was a mess

[opal locust]

I only needed 1.25 supercomputers per minute for this, and my supercomputer factory makes 2/minute

I'm fine with it taking time, save the massive builds for people smarter than me.

[viral sparrow]

there was a few somersloop used keep in mind

just a few..

[viral sparrow]

off the top of my head there was at least 20 used lol

[opal locust]

I'm fine on power for now, but the next project part will probably be when I need to break out the rocket fuel.

[viral sparrow]

magnetic field generators are by far the easiest one btw - ai expansion servers are waaaay harder

[opal locust]

I chose to throw all my somersloops into alien power augmenters, which is why I haven't needed to build a rocket fuel plant yet

[viral sparrow]

wait your phase 5 oops

dementia

[opal locust]

I'll tackle Nuclear Pasta next

[viral sparrow]

particle accelerator.....

[opal locust]

And I know I'm going to need a lot because isn't Nuclear Pasta needed for Ballistic Warp Drives?

[viral sparrow]

i think it's .5 per drive but i could be wrong

how many singularity cells are the drives

i've slept since i made them lol

[opal locust]

Well, it's 1000 pasta + the extra needed for the warp drives

[viral sparrow]

iirc it's 1200 pasta needed total but ive got no idea

[viral sparrow]

by the time you finish warp drives and expansion servers the pasta will be done

[opal locust]

Thankfully with Mk3 Miners and Mk6 belts, I can go back to my aluminum ingot factory and double its' output

which means I can scale up all the other plants that needed aluminum

the more FMF and RCU I can make, the more PCC I can make, and then the only thing holding me back is finding enough copper to make that pasta

[viral sparrow]

friendly reminder that pcc are in assembler and so therefore can be somerslooped for cheap

[opal locust]

This is probably the one time to consider using Leached Copper Ingots?

[viral sparrow]

i doubt it's worth the extra logistics

plus pure has a ratio rhat already fits into the amount needed for the powder

iirc caterium is the best leached recipe

[opal locust]

a pure copper node using pure ingot is enough to make 500 powder/minute

which is enough for exactly 2.5 pasta/minute

[viral sparrow]

another reminder powder is made in constructors

so the same thing applies, very cheap to sloop

[opal locust]

Honestly I just want to make more than the minumum for pasta because I love the particle accelerator, it's probably my favorite building to just sit there and watch

[viral sparrow]

it sounds nice too

[viral sparrow]

i'd say the minimum is probably 2 - 1 for bwd 1 for the spelevator itself

[opal locust]

I've run into an issue scaling up my aluminum plant. In doubling the output, I'm also doubling the water needed, and the waste water, and that's more than 600

And I don't know how to split these pipes properly for that.

[river night]

since you are doubling everything from a known state, just cut the pipes there

[vapid gorge]

keep them in small groups

don't need to interlink them
I'm sure I've talked about this with you before

[frosty owl]

#the-bigger-the-badder

[vapid gorge]

😛

[frosty owl]

Why the thumb down, lack of funni or lack of accuracy?

[vapid gorge]

accuracy

[opal locust]

if I did 4 refineries at 150% instead of 3 at 200%, that would split everything in 1/4 and be enough water in 2 sets of 2

[vapid gorge]

just process them by the node

[frosty owl]

The bigger the system, the harder it is to manage - > the "worse" it is?

[vapid gorge]

if you're doing a 1200 prob split it into 2 groups of 600 bauxite

[vapid gorge]

ah xD slang

so that came across as bad = good

[frosty owl]

I fail to grasp that o.O
I mean, they're literally opposites 😅

[vapid gorge]

English.

[frosty owl]

Ugh, let's skip the semantics

[viral sparrow]

it's funny because you'd think if speaking in person it'd be easier to tell what means what based on tone but it's not

such a dumb language

[vapid gorge]

it's fairly dumb yes

[vapid gorge]

but seriously, just keep them in their own tidy groups. You'll have unending pain if you try to link them all up

[vapid gorge]

but also specifically if you say 'the bigger the badder' that has the implication that in this case bad = good

[frosty owl]

It's not funny how this is behind at least 69% of internet arguments

[viral sparrow]

and still behind in person arguments too of course

[vapid gorge]

420% of arguments

[frosty owl]

Like... How the young ones say "oh, so bad" meaning the dictionary opposite?

[viral sparrow]

"she's bad" = "she's attractive"

[vapid gorge]

the rest of the sentence and tone xD ?

but it also looked like you were just being a smart ass

[frosty owl]

Thanks for the explanation, not being used to that slang I was quite confused by Cobalt's reaction ^^

[viral sparrow]

''twas only one of a million examples lmao

english is ... a language

[frosty owl]

Picking the right example in a convo is as important as "just pushing the right button" to fix a problem ^^

[opal locust]

Okay I split my Aluminum Ingot factory into 2 sets of 2 splitting the 1200 bauxite into 600*2

Now how do I stop the second set of refineries from idling because of water?

[vapid gorge]

keep the fresh and waste water split

[opal locust]

So then how do I split the numbers?

[vapid gorge]

depends on the recipes you're using

figure out what % runs on fresh, and what on waste

for example in that image the blue line feeds 1 refinery with fresh water, the red feeds the two.

[opal locust]

I'm pumping 360 water out, and need 600 in

I can't math that to an even number

[vapid gorge]

so you have 360 waste water?

[opal locust]

yes

[vapid gorge]

so 360/600 is run on waste water

240/600 runs on fresh

[opal locust]

right, and I have my extractors set to 240

[vapid gorge]

sounds good. Can OC 1 extractor to do that

[outer vale]

remember that clocking is a thing

[opal locust]

I am clocking

1 extractor at 200% and the refineries set at 150%

I got waste water to work perfectly fine at my battery plant, so why is it a problem here?

Oh right, the battery plant used waste water exclusively on the later steps

[frosty owl]

Now you're cooking

[opal locust]

I think I got it, set 1 to 180%, the other to 120%, 180% requires exactly 360 water and my extractor can pump 240 into the 120%

[outer vale]

that sounds about right

didn't you do aluminium before? should be about the same as then

[opal locust]

Yeah but I had a really scuffed solution for the waste water, this one seems much better

the refineries were still idling so I deleted all the pipes and put down new ones and they seems to be working fine now.

[vapid gorge]

it's a lot more stable if you keep the overflow scrap sinking

[opal locust]

Now to scale up the other half of the aluminum process and double my sheets and casings output

Nope, they keep idling

I've split the waste water away from the fresh but they're still idling

[vapid gorge]

is the scrap flowing freely?

[opal locust]

Yeah

[vapid gorge]

over head shots then

[opal locust]

It may have had to do with me needing to redo the smelters because I wasn't using all of the scrap and it backed up

[vapid gorge]

empty out the scrap in teh outputs then, when you split the waste and fresh it should restabalise on it's own

[deft drum]

How many items would I need for 2500 versatile frame work?

[outer vale]

you have access to the recipes and a calculator

[deft drum]

I had stuff to do ASAP so I asked here.
But now I have time.

[wind spade]

Depends on recipes

[outer vale]

(and slooping)

[fierce ruin]

let me guess, manually feeding a factory which creates the versatile frame work for the space elevator?

assuming you are using the base recipe, that'd be 15000 steel beams and 1250 modular frames

you could cut the amount in halve if you fully somersloop the frame work

[deft drum]

Yeah I figured it out.
Sloops are damn hard to find,

[pastel obsidian]

Use the satisfactory calculator website

[fierce ruin]

ok this is breaking my mind

theres:

2 sets of 500 screws (going into the 2 sets of 5 assemblers), then theres 60 screws which will be going into storage, and then 420 that i'll use for other assemblers

all are at 150%, though with 1 exception that is at 250%

the input of iron rods is 370 here, and that has been checked and is fine, but the outputs arent

theres: 60, 530, 590, and 480

???????

wait there's 27 constructors for some reason

im taking a break, this is hurting me mentally lol

[prime forum]

If you have excess, just send it to storage or sink it

Better to have excess than not enough

[brazen kettle]

What is more important, rubber or plastic?

[outer vale]

depends entirely on what you're making afterwards via what recipe chains

[brazen kettle]

What do you have more of?

[outer vale]

for build gun use? I just made a lil of both

as part of other factories? whatever those factories needed

I didn't try and predict future usage, that way lies madness

[wind spade]

don't make things "for future", make them when you need them

[brazen kettle]

That is probably smarter

[fierce ruin]

IM FREE! decided to keep it all at 100% and its sorted now

[radiant lance]

also generally you use relatively even amounts of plastic/rubber

it's not like steel/aluminium where most assembly lines really like pipes/casings

you do use a bit more rubber in my experience but you're best off making even amounts imo

[opaque quartz]

It really depends on alt recipes. Plastic is the basis for circuit boards and computers w default recipes but that can be avoided w alts. Similarly, there are some nice alts that introduce rubber like adhered plates and insulated crystal oscillators

[brazen kettle]

500 Rocket fuel a minute is a little overkill right?

Can I even sink it?

[oblique hollow]

If you package it

[analog meteor]

not worth the aluminum

[outer vale]

depends what you're using it for. Power? That's rookie numbers. Jetpack? Yeah, just a tad

[brazen kettle]

Jetpack and drones was the idea

And the rest for power

But like in the system I am thinking of making I will have 3000 rocket fuel over which will suffice for 180k power

[analog meteor]

yeah you can use it for drones

[dusky dust]

Personally I recommend isolating your rocket-fuel-for-power from your rocket-fuel-for-everything-else

IMO you want your power-generation-support stuff as isolated as possible

[brazen kettle]

Why? Because it is simple?

Or because of lag?

[brazen kettle]

But how much is one drone trip when using rocket fuel, can't be that much.

[dusky dust]

Because you want your power generation as solid as possible, and if it's a nice closed system there's less chance of outside factors impacting it. Also if you end up tripping your power grid at some point, it's a lot easier to get things running again if you've got a nice isolated system you can bring up on its own, instead of having to decouple production later

[dusky dust]

Anecdotally, my own packaged rocket fuel usage for drones tended to be 2-3/min per drone (and towards the lower end of that range)

Though the actual numbers will depend on your routes

Keep in mind when I say "isolated," that doesn't mean that you can't, like, produce it at the exact same site.

[brazen kettle]

Yeah ofcourse

[dusky dust]

Just keep 'em logically/physically separate

[brazen kettle]

I see what you are getting at

[dusky dust]

(And I wouldn't personally double-dip on the nodes, at least for fluids. Any oil deposit going to power would only be used for power)

[brazen kettle]

Can I send pictures in here?

[dusky dust]

Yes, though depending on the question, #1038092680493801533 might be a better place. :)

[brazen kettle]

I'll risk it

This is the system I am thinking of running

Do you see any immideate problems?

[outer vale]

not a problem as such, but any reason you're not using Diluted Fuel?

[brazen kettle]

That is probably smarter yeah, hold up. Let me check in to that

But 500 rocket fuel, seems excessive

[outer vale]

well it'd let you run all your transportation via drones lol

[brazen kettle]

I like trains though..

And also I kind of don't want to build like 760 fuel gens

I can bring it down to 180 with shards. But then I won't need nuclear plants, I want nuclear power

[outer vale]

wanting to build something is a valid reason to build it

[brazen kettle]

Absolutely true, excessive is awesome

But I can't find how many points you get for sinking rocket fuel

Found it, 1028 points

[thorn bane]

are you not using the compacted coal?
id split it up between turbo blend and default to use up the compacted
its a bit more complicated so you dont have to

[brazen kettle]

I am gonna use it for weapons I think

[thorn bane]

then make sure you have an overflow sink so it doesnt stall and stop your power production

[brazen kettle]

true, will have to do that on all the materials

[brazen kettle]

Thanks for the tip, so much more effective

[opal bear]

Y’all, I’m getting 120 Steel Beams a minute and I need to fit it evenly into Encased Steel Beam assemblers at a base of 18 steel beams/pm and maybe it’s a really simple equation but my brain is breaking and I’m stupid what do I do :((

(I’m relatively new to taking the math in Satisfactory seriously lmao)

Probably just gonna overclock everything until the numbers fit easier lol

[viral sparrow]

if you press N on your keyboard it brings up a calculator, do the total amount of parts you have (120) divided by the amount of parts used by one machine (18) and thats how many machines you need - if you get a decimal e.g in this case 6.6 recurring you can do 6 regular clocked then one at 66.6% to get a total of 666.6% - each machine is 100%

also, in machines, if you click the number under where it says target production rate you can set that yourself (provided its 2.5x or less the amount made) for easily setting the output

[opal bear]

I wanted to do that without having to figure anything else out but I SUCK at dividing conveyor belts into splitters properly, that’s really the thing I need help with probably lol. I realized that I can just go the miner and clock it to the number I need and then multiplying it up… my problem solving skills are improving at a progressive, but very slow rate

[viral sparrow]

do you know what a manifold is?

[opal bear]

I do not :)

[viral sparrow]

hold on a second

[wind spade]

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[viral sparrow]

thats a manifold - im loading my game to give a in game example rn

[opal bear]

Thank you guys so much, unless I’m able to split things evenly it takes me like 30 minutes to figure that out alone

[viral sparrow]

if my save wants to load

[wind spade]

You don't really need to split evenly in SF

[opal bear]

I know… I just gotta get a little more used to it think

[viral sparrow]

this is likely similar to what you're doing - splitting it in half then half again

then this is a manifold

once that first smelter fills up, the overflow 30/min goes towards the other 3 smelters and will eventually self-balance

[opal bear]

Wow, that is so simple when you put it like that. I kept accidentally building manifolds instead of even splits for things when I started and getting frustrated with it and never considered an actual use for them 😭

[viral sparrow]

on the other side you can just merge like usual

[opal bear]

You guys are the best, thank you

[viral sparrow]

heres one of my smelters manifolds in one of my early game factories - you can split in both directions and it still functions

the yellow lights are likely because things are full lol

yeah they are

[opal bear]

That’s beautiful, my world just expanded so much

[viral sparrow]

heres one more example with constructors

you can make blueprints for these to speed up placing lots of them too

[viral sparrow]

no problem :)

you can do the same thing for assemblers, foundries etc youll just have to stack splitters (or clip belts)

[opaque quartz]

The wiki article on manifolds explains a bit more of the why/how they work

But the short version is that every machine has a one-stack input (and output) buffer. When that fills up, it will force overflow of to the other splitters in the manifold until they reach saturation. As long as your total input matches the consumption of the machines, and your belt capacity is high enough, it will run at 100% efficiency after the “warm-up” period

[thorn bane]

where do yall build rocket fuel?
im not sure what the best place is

[crimson moat]

The hottest real estate is probably blue crater. Enough oil, loads of sulphur, some coal and definitely nitrogen nearby, although i don't remember which node is closest

I made mine on the top middle though with a train down from the dune desert's western sulphur/nitrogen.

[thorn bane]

wait ye thats perfect
ty

even close iron

[opaque quartz]

The west coast of the crater has the most resources the closest except oil. Sulfur is right there, coal is a bit south, nitrogen is also right there

IMHO nitrogen is best moved via drone since it compresses 4:1 and you can loop the empty tanks

[brazen kettle]

Blue crater is perfect, that is where I will build mine

[thorn bane]

eh its close ill just pipe it

[crimson moat]

depending on scale, it can be easier to package and belt stuff (especially gasses) instead

because a pipe is 600 nitrogen but a mk.6 belt is 4800

i think i had something like 600 nitrogen for 2560 rocket fuel though so it's prolly fine 😄

[thorn bane]

then you need to build packagers though
which suck

ye im gonig for 450 nitrogen

[snow maple]

packagers for nitrogen are very worth it bc of gas compression, for liquids they're not as good

[thorn bane]

bro im just gonna build on the nitrogen node
yall need to chill with packagers

[opaque quartz]

Packagers are cool and good

[crimson moat]

unironically

[dusky dust]

Yeah, not sure where the packager hate comes from

Nothin' wrong with 'em

[open carbon]

Packagers are one of my favourite buildings, that and the refinery and blender.

[thorn bane]

tbf they are A LOT better with nitrogen than with other stuff

[thorn trail]

my hate for the packager comes from it's port configuration, seems to me that the fluid input/outputs should be on the bottom not the top. i'm always running my pipes low and belts above them so it forces me to swap them around whenever I have to deal with a packager

[dusky dust]

I generally wish it was slightly higher; doesn't quite play nicely with horiz-to-vert build mode if building pipes from the ground floor. :D I agree it's an odd arrangement

[quick gorge]

If it was side by side it would be just like every other building

[open carbon]

I haven’t got to the point of using them with nitrogen yet, I just use fluid trains to transport gas and stuff.

[thorn bane]

as much shit as i give pipes they are still the best option imo

[open carbon]

But fluid trains look cool though

[crimson moat]

It's nice in a way because you dont have to elevate them to get the best flow, the port is elevated by itself on the exit

but yeah a little awkward

[oblique hollow]

I really like the arrangement it has actually.
Mergers or splitters on the floor is aesthetically more pleasant than junctions with a heavy cube on top

[opal locust]

I spent the morning rebuilding my RCU factory and now it produces 12.5/minute. Hopefully that'll be enough

[thorn trail]

has there ever been any mention of having configurable inputs and outputs for machines? Sort of like applying conveyor wall holes or pipe wall holes to the location on the machine where you wanted your inputs and outputs?

seems like it would be of very limited interest but useful in some niche cases

[restive sparrow]

Seems like that is covered pretty well by blueprinting.

[thorn trail]

with a configurable input/output you could have machines with inputs on 3 sides and outputs on the fourth, or packagers/blenders/refineries with solid input/output on one side and fluid input/output on another. might even be able to have machines with an input or output on the top or bottom

would allow you to so all sorts of crazy things, though like i said before, probably not that much interest in it especially for the work required to implement it

[oblique hollow]

No that has never been brought up really. Or if it did, it never gained traction

Also, all machines come with their own bulding challenges

And yes, as you said, truly modular machines would be a lot more work to make it work design wise and also be still good gameplay wise / UI / UX wise

[bleak wagon]

Realistically how many super computers do I actually need to make? Im thinking I could just do 3/min using the OC supercopmuter alt since theyre primarily used in building and im not going for phase 4 yet

[wind spade]

heavily depends on how you play

[thorn trail]

technically you don't have to make any, you can always just buy what you want/need for coupons

maybe buy what you need until you get a feeling for how many you are going to need in the future then automate?

[bleak wagon]

Right now Im trying to play minimally while unlocking things, but Im preparing to start work on a nuclear power plant and I want to make use of basically all the uranium and make it wasteless in the future. I can probably go with 3/min and let them pile up while I get through the rest of the things I need to for planning my power plant.

I guess I just answered my own question.

I also somehow managed to prep most of the stuff for making 3/min by accident so might as well just do it

[opaque quartz]

When in doubt, targeting one or two “final” machines of the production chain is a reasonable starting point

I like OC supercomputer because it is built in an assembler instead of manufacturer

Which means it’s cheaper to sloop too

[bleak wagon]

yeah thats what Im planning to use because Im making 10 radio control units/min rn and I have nitrogen close to where Im building and have a train taking aluminum over as well so stuff should be easy enough

[open carbon]

I just throw sloops any where they fit.

[bleak wagon]

I try not to sloop stuff lol

[open carbon]

I’m planning to oversloop my nitro rocket fuel blender for ionized.

Very curious what the blender looks like overslooped.

[opaque quartz]

Just remember that for recipes w byproduct, slooping will double the byproduct produced too

[open carbon]

I’m just sending the compacted coal to a sink for now until I find some kind of use for it.

[bleak wagon]

i have my aluminum slooped rn

it was interesting to manage the water made from that

[crimson moat]

you can make at least ~26% more rocket fuel per sulphur if you loop it into more production

[open carbon]

Ooh, just looked at the wiki, I could use compacted coal in turbo fuel, that way I have all four fuel types!

[open carbon]

I’m using nitro rocket fuel.

[bleak wagon]

Im just gonna be having a field day on nuclear this week. Also, how good are drones for taking uranium all to one location? I know its easier than trains so Im more just wondering how big the difference in efficiency could be if any

[open carbon]

Used one in my post game nuclear plant, it worked quite well considering it was also transporting sulfur.

[bleak wagon]

Probably gonna use them then since I think at least in my current situation theyre going to be more reliable and its going to be much easier to get around to every uranium node that way

Would still be good to know what the difference in rates between the 2 would be, but Im likely not going to test it because Im lazy

[open carbon]

I’m planning to use a drone to transport SAM from titan forest to a ficsite production part of my mega factory.

[bleak wagon]

I have to work on planning my mega factory sometime soon, but Im trying to get my power grid to a point of I dont have to worry about power ever again

[open carbon]

I currently am halfway through a 1.1 playthrough where I build all my factories in one spot.

Currently halfway through phase 4 deciding whether to do cooling systems or radio control units next.

[bleak wagon]

Im on my 1.1 playthrough rn as well, Just did radio control units and am starting on cooling systems/supercomputers since power grid fun, but after I get that done Im likely going to be working towards getting the planning done for using every node on the map to make everything in the game

[open carbon]

Oh I finished supercomputers yesterday!

I did rocket fuel and aluminium first for phase 4.

[amber edge]

anyone got chart for truck throughput rates?

[open carbon]

Nitro rocket fuel makes phase 4 kinda peaceful.

[bleak wagon]

Im mostly on a recipe search for finishing up what im doing rn

[open carbon]

I’m still debating whether I should automate cooling systems or radio control units.

[regal pier]

I am quite dumb and also bad at math. I have 54 coal plants running at 100% clock speed, and all fully fed with mk3 belts. According to the in game calculator i should be getting 4,050 MW, but I am only getting 3,100ish after connecting 30 biofuel gens from my beginner grid...
Current demand is ~4,200 MW
Can anyone spare a braincell to help?

[amber edge]

is all coal gens on

[regal pier]

yeah, when i checked them they all say running at 100% efficiency

[amber edge]

check their percentages

is it 54

[regal pier]

one sec, I'll triple check my counting

[dusky bronze]

1st picture: 12 refineries making 240 solution/min each. fills up 4 600 pipes, overflow gets distributed to be i think 4 600 pipes across all 60 refineries.

2nd picture: pipes are put in very weird i cant remember how it works but each takes 180 solution/min and i think theres 2 600 pipes per row, with the leftover requirement being supplied by the overflow from the first set of refineries

3rd picture that should be here: fresh water is mixed in with waste water. prefilled all the solution refineries with fresh water before starting up factory

this is what i did for my aluminum plant @eager geyser

[amber edge]

connect your grid

you probably have some grid unconnected

aka check ur wiring

[amber edge]

if its truly all connected, you have 13 coal gens not working if its 3100 mw

[regal pier]

There are 54 and they all appear to be running at 100% eff. They are all set at 100% clock speed, and seem to be full all the time.
I have three mk2 miners (max overclocked) feeding mk3 belts. If I did math right, each set of 270 can run 18 coal plants, and I have 3 sets of 18 plants

[amber edge]

you should do have 4050 mw like that but if you are only getting 3100, 13 gens isnt working

if its all 100% then its grid disconnected but i see grid seems fine with the diagram

[regal pier]

okay so I'm less crazy than I thought..