math-and-meta

[frosty whale]

organization and place to build

But I know it's only the beginning, before water pumps and coal

[vapid gorge]

Just a splitter, it’ll flow and eventually containers fill

Doing it that way means you don’t really have to think much about efficiency early on, just have several containers between production sections for parts

[scenic lintel]

Anyone know of a 1 to 7 splitter?

This is what I thought of, it's just a little bit weird

[wind spade]

--S--S--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |  |  |

[scenic lintel]

I wasn't thinking manifold

wait maybe this could work maybe

[wind spade]

your thing above is also a manifold

it will rely on overflow

[scenic lintel]

Is there a way to have it balanced?

[wind spade]

yes (though why would you bother with it?)

(split into 8 and merge one back to start)

[alpine mortar]

what recipes are the highest yield bauxite -> ingot?

is it the one using petroleum coke to make it 1:1 or is there an even better yield set of recipes

[fallow siren]

sloppy > electrode > aluminum ingot (foundry)

the yield is 3:2 instead of 1:1

but ofc you need to ship in some quartz to make silica

[civic bronze]

steel beam (aluminium beam) > screw (steel screw) > 1 million screws > profit

[vapid gorge]

mountains of silica

[alpine mortar]

I'm in need of 3175 alu ingots so my bauxite situation is starting to get a little bit dire

still have plenty of nodes left, but I'd rather use them efficiently now than actually run out later

[vapid gorge]

You won’t run out. There’s tons of bauxite in the world

Just use pure ingots and skip the silica

[alpine mortar]

sure, its just with this im not left with too many left

I'll be using 8400

If I don't use the higher yield recipes

[vapid gorge]

With sloppy electrode pure there almost 13k ingots on the map. You’ll be ok.

Easier to use alum efficient recipes like heat fused frames

[alpine mortar]

the electrode is so nasty, I hate coke, might rework my existing 2 identical aluminum setups for it though anyways

yeah I was looking at that recipe but it seems barely worth it no?

wait, i was looking at the math totally wrong, that is super worth it lol

[vapid gorge]

What? Electrode is so easy. You can have two pipes of oil and process the entire worlds supply of baux

[alpine mortar]

Yeah it's not difficult, i just gotta figure out which random node ima pick and linkup a trian there to bring out coke

[vapid gorge]

Or drones.

[alpine mortar]

would they have the throughput? Probably actually, could use that, I have an extra 1180 canisters of rocket fuel/min im not using 🙂

[vapid gorge]

You can have infinite drone throughput. Just use more drones

[alpine mortar]

yeah im aware, just at a certain point it gets silly

[vapid gorge]

But you wouldn’t need many even if processing all the bauxite in the world in one place

[alpine mortar]

how do you prefer to make the coke personally, via rubber and use the residue? or just straight residue sink the resin

[pastel obsidian]

Hor to coke

Rubber and plastic is made via fuel

[alpine mortar]

alright then

[vapid gorge]

Yeah the HOR alt, then coke recipe

It’s the most oil efficient option.

[fallow siren]

electrode coke is pretty cheap anyway

12.3k bauxite barely use 1.5k oil

its like 10:1 bauxite to oil with sloppy+electorde

[pastel obsidian]

With how much I overbuilt my plastic, rubber, fuel and coke factory I need to recoup my investment

[kindred coral]

question can 1 pure coal mk2 miner provide enough for 8 coal gens?

[fallow siren]

it already enough for 8 gens with mk1 miner

mk2 miner provide enough for 16 gens

its an easy question that u can asnwer yourself, literally just check the numbers and do the math

[pastel obsidian]

Do you have mk 2 belts

[kindred coral]

yes

[fallow siren]

^

pure node with mk1 already provide 120/min

mk2 is 200% cycle of mk1

coal gen intake is 15/min at normal clock

its easy math

[vapid gorge]

Calculate things by parts per min, not node to machine. You’ll save yourself grief later

Look, at what the miner is producing, look at what your machines are using, compare

[nimble haven]

Sometimes i forgot that satisfactory is a game and you can do what ever tf you want in it. Like you dont NEED to make everything look nice.

But you can id you want

Hey whats that one website to see the tree of items needed to get a product? Like if you are looking for like how to make stators the tree will break down what is needed and how much of it for X amount of stators to be made

[arctic coral]

hello guys, I'm having trouble understanding pipes it seems, can anyone help? I got a factory on 2 floors, uses crude oil for refineries to make plastic
first floor of refineries gets 50/50 crude oil no problem but second floor doesn't, looks like the fluid reach is not enough or something? but I put pumps everywhere where needed, less than 20 meters apart
oil extractor is on pure node and I got 1 valve limited to 360 m/3 per minute for 12 refineries (12 x 30 = 360)

tag me or reply to my message please so I can get a notification! :))

first floor

second floor

the ticked ones get 50/50, the X mark ones get a lot less

[polar thorn]

Let’s say you need to package fuel with exactly one packager. And one oil node.
How do you find the exact ratio without any waste?

[stray nest]

Try running it in a loop

Like this

Also, shut off the refineries, let them all fill along with the pipes. Then start and see how it goes

[arctic coral]

do you mean the first illustration or second?

[arctic coral]

I'll try that also

[stray nest]

That could work too. Yep.

[arctic coral]

I will try and test with turning off -> filling pipes -> turning on first then I'll report back, thanks a lot! :))

[stray nest]

Also now seeing you have a valve, remove that as well during this time^
So long as you are putting more into the system than you are using, you should be fine without it.
Valves have their own set of issues and are usually just not worth having.

Can also tend to mask whatever the real issue may be.

[fallow siren]

you hardly need valves unless youre trying to do a very specific pipe network

[arctic coral]

I see, I see, thanks a lot! so if I want to use the other 240 oil I have left for other refineries, I don't need valve anyway?

I am currently using 360 crude oil for 12 refineries for plastic (left valve on picture) and 60 crude oil for residual fuel (right valve with 240 remaining), let's say I want another 6 refineries, 30 crude oil each, that's the remaining 180 crude oil I have left, if I wanna maximize input / output ratio, I still remove valves or? cause if I have issues now, what would happen later? xD

[stray nest]

It is best practice to both
A. Always keep consumption slightly lower than production

B. Always keep maximum flowrate through any pipe slightly below its max. Fluids flow back and forth and production of fluids is never a solid line like power. This allows for those edge cases
As long as you allow for those things, and properly plan for headlift, it can mitigate many issues people have with pipes.
When I say slightly lower as well, all I really mean is a percentage or two.

For example you have 3 pipes. A 600, split then into 2 300s.

If you underclock one machine in that entire network to 95-99%, you should in theory never run out of product. That can amount to 599/600. Just allow the machines to fill first before turning them on. [I will usually try to even this out and split the percentage if theres an even amount of machines/if pipes are split.

The amounts and %s vary of course depending on what you are doing but you catch my drift.
Of course this means your oil extractors will fill up eventually but keeping the pipes full is rarely a bad thing.

If you want to account further for larger amounts of machines and backflow and such, adding more headroom there can help as well.

[arctic coral]

okay, thanks a lot for the tips! I'll keep them in mind, much appreciated :))
I am still kinda new to the pipes so it'll help a lot

[stray nest]

No problem. Let me know how that works for you, if you still cant get that to work, ill be around most of the day here after another 2 hours so could join and help in pioneer.
Otherwise the more pictures the better when asking for help.

[vapid gorge]

So just as a thing, you do not need to keep consumption lower than production,

If your system functions it’ll work.
Just flood the system.

And as for 600 flow - it’s entirely possible to do 600 pipes you just have to be tidy about it.

Keeping them to 300 pipes are more stable but just because shorter pipes with fewer machines on it are a bit less touchy and will accept more shenanigans

If you don’t want to be in a situation where you need to keep strict pipe layouts for high volume flow that’s fine, but it’s also easy to do

[stray nest]

^perfect flow requires perfect setup though which is more than a lot of people can handle lol

[arctic coral]

well I usually strive for perfectly balanced conveyor belts and pipe flows so I would try to do 600/600 😄

[opaque quartz]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[summer flare]

You were almost there. Here's a couple of arrangements.

[vapid gorge]

You effectively can’t ’load balance’ pipes, and there’s lots of situations where a group of machines don’t produce 600 fluid. So use whatever is in them

[fierce ruin]

what does forced mean, why cant i change it, every time i change a setting it warns me that dx11 isnt supported

[deft lichen]

you likely have a launch argument set which takes priority

!wikisearch launch+arguments

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=launch+arguments

[fierce ruin]

OH

[wind zinc]

you **dont **want to use DX 11
its just worse than 12 in every way

other than the way it handles running out of VRAM

[paper plover]

Im trying to make a lot of coupons with the SINK, is there a website that gives us pts by product ? Trying to maximize the return 😄

[opaque quartz]

!wikisearch awesome+sink

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=awesome+sink

[paper plover]

Thanks !!

[opal locust]

I got an aluminum ingot factory up and running, now I need to take them to some copper to process the ingots into sheets and casings.

[opaque quartz]

IMHO the game gets really fun once you have aluminum production rolling

[opal locust]

for reference, this is where I setup that aluminum ingot plant, at the waterfall near the western islands.

[outer vale]

or take the copper to the ingots

[opal locust]

that's a lot of belting, and the coal node I pulled from for this aluminum was already pushing it.

[outer vale]

it doesn't change the amount of belting though, does it?

either way you've gotta send one to the other

[fierce ruin]

yhi t locks it to 63 fps for some reason on that

[opal locust]

I was thinking this is the push I need to learn how trains work.

[outer vale]

could be

it's a fair distance, trains would make some sense, though mind the verticality

could slap a train at the bottom of the cliffs and use lifts to send the resource up or down as appropriate, rather than trying to send the train all the way up

[opal locust]

the ingot plant is at sea level

not on the cliffs

[outer vale]

ah okay, makes that easier then!

funnily enough I'll also be doing aluminium ingots there shortly

[opal locust]

for reference, there's the exit storage of the plant.

I'm going to need to clear out a lot of vegetation aren't I?

[outer vale]

potentially, if you can't route around it and don't want to build over it

[harsh schooner]

why are u choosing that spot for a factory lol

[outer vale]

rail are pretty flexible and you are dealing with mostly desert, so you can probably avoid it

[harsh schooner]

if u need copper thats so far away

[outer vale]

it's a reasonable spot for aluminium processing

[fierce ruin]

all resources perfectly accounted for

how satisfying

19 hours too

[outer vale]

wherever it goes the copper's miles away, so may as well make the first step where it's convenient

[fierce ruin]

somersloops really are great

[outer vale]

are you confusing this channel with #screenshots again 😛

[fierce ruin]

...no

[outer vale]

fwiw in my prior save this was my aluminium setup. Used quartz and copper, which I brought in via this train

[fierce ruin]

how does someone measure the throughput on trains?

[harsh schooner]

i used the centered lake of this screenshot as my production for alu,

[outer vale]

get a stopwatch

[harsh schooner]

bro ur not even phase 2 and already doing trains? respect

[fierce ruin]

hey im just preparing lol

[harsh schooner]

lol

[fierce ruin]

never used them last time apart from personal transport to my oil

[outer vale]

on my 1.0 save I used the area near the bottom-left of that image, had to ship the coal and bauxite down the cliffs but used the lake next to that uranium

[opal locust]

I just belted the coal and bauxite

[outer vale]

fellow concrete pillar enjoyer

tangentially, while I think of it: make sure you've got a sink set up, either on the aluminium ingots or on their later processing.
IIRC you mixed your fresh and waste water, which means if production backs up, it'll lock itself up and won't restart without manual intervention

[fierce ruin]

i ran into a problem in my previous save with the aluminium because i would need to flush the water

[opal locust]

got that handled

[outer vale]

excellent

[harsh schooner]

what is IIRC?

[outer vale]

if I recall/remember correctly

[harsh schooner]

ah okey

thanks

[fossil galleon]

phase 5 here I come

[lapis jetty]

My factory is being strange again

[fierce ruin]

in 20h and 8m ive managed to complete phase 2, hooray!

[dreamy nimbus]

eh yeah fair if you know the gamw

[opaque quartz]

When you see a dip like this, only at your coal generators and see if any of them are blinking yellow. Can you take a screenshot of each generator panel and see how they are looking?

[fierce ruin]

i think it took me like twice the time last time lol

[lapis jetty]

Im not at the generators rn and i just like flipped the fuse and power worked again thats whats confusing me

[opaque quartz]

Share a screenshot of each generator panel

There is a supply issue somewhere

[alpine steeple]

isnt this meta ?

[lapis jetty]

Sure but you will have to gimme a minute to get there

I accidentally removed The extra over clocker from one of them

idk why that last one has such a bad time with water

[alpine steeple]

what pipes u using and how many coal plants r they feeding with powershards

[lapis jetty]

4 plants and i only have mk1 pipes unlocked

[dreamy nimbus]

same

[alpine steeple]

does each powerplant have 2 powershards in?

[lapis jetty]

2 have 2 and 2 have 1

[alpine steeple]

2 need 90 water each for a total of 180 and 2 need 68 for a total of 310~

thats why its doing that ur 10 water short if ur only using 1 pipe

[outer vale]

a gen at 150% need 67.5, so even more out

[alpine steeple]

yh realised as soon as i reread it lol

so what its like 315 water needed @lapis jetty is it being fed by 1 pipe?

[outer vale]

if you only have one pipe then yes, you're trying to push through more than you can support

[lapis jetty]

1 pipe is being used

[alpine steeple]

thats why each pipe can only do 300m3 per minute and u need 315m3 per minute

[lapis jetty]

Ima just remake the plant because its incredibly disorganised

[outer vale]

yeah those clocks are quite odd

!wikisearch cg

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[outer vale]

the usual recommended layouts ^

[alpine steeple]

how much coal u got?

[lapis jetty]

I already had bottom layout planned in my head

[lapis jetty]

Im using a mk 2 miner on pure coal node

[alpine steeple]

so u have 240 coal per minute meaning u need 16 power plants as each take 15 per minute

so u need 720 water

or 6 water generators

[lapis jetty]

I don't need anywhere near that much power rn

[alpine steeple]

u will soon

[lapis jetty]

Is it normal to have this many issues on the first play through

Like nothing i have made is optimised

[alpine steeple]

its normal dw

[outer vale]

not uncommon, people often don't pay attention to things like numbers

[alpine steeple]

my first playthrough my power was so unstable that it would go from like 100w to 3k w

[lapis jetty]

I was doing maths when making my powerplant i just forgot to account for the pipes not being able to provide enough water

[alpine steeple]

lol i do the same and i have 600 hours

[lapis jetty]

For me rn mk3 conveyors are cheaper to craft than mk2

[outer vale]

yeah that happens

[lapis jetty]

Due to lack of resources im going to either have to do 3x3 layout or 3x4

[wind spade]

*3GW

[dreamy nimbus]

Mk1 Cheap
Mk2 Expensive
Mk3 Cheap
Mk4 Expensive
Mk5 Cheap
Mk6 The Goat

but I'd still recommend you to build an encased industrial beam factory even though mk4 are expensive, you could just use the mk3 everywhere and mk4 when needed

[lapis jetty]

Im kinda lacking in the actual good factories at the moment because everytime i try to build one my power grid dies before i can even connect it

[viral sparrow]

encased beams are imo tied with motors for the most important thing to automate before phase 3

[lapis jetty]

Annoyingly i have to walk from my powerplant to my base because my player cannon doesn't work as i dont have any power

[viral sparrow]

tractor

[dreamy nimbus]

well automated yes but you won't need more than the recipe does pm as long as you don't use mk4 everywhere, else just build a bigger factory if you need more

[viral sparrow]

okay...

i never said how many youd need lol

[lapis jetty]

Im being murdered by angry armadillos and i dont like ir

[viral sparrow]

Nuke Nobelisk

[dreamy nimbus]

either you're poorly filling your power plants or you're consuming more than you're producing, I'd recommend having a headstart above your max consomation so the second case can never happen

[lapis jetty]

Im currently making a new powerplant

[dreamy nimbus]

a bit too far for him I'd reckon

I really do hate making those high speed connectors farm

[lapis jetty]

Im at a weird stage where i feel im underdeveloped for the progression i have

[dreamy nimbus]

well have you automated all the main items until now ?

[viral sparrow]

thats what the start of phase 2 feels like for me

[dreamy nimbus]

he's at the start of phase 3 I reckon

[lapis jetty]

Im struggling to get recourses for phase 2

[dreamy nimbus]

but yeah mostly when you get coal power and fuel power

[dreamy nimbus]

why

[lapis jetty]

Because i don't have enough factories

[dreamy nimbus]

so make more ?

[lapis jetty]

I don't have poer

[dreamy nimbus]

wdym, you can just make them

[lapis jetty]

And power them with what

[dreamy nimbus]

with power plants ?

if you don't have enough power make new power plants ?

[lapis jetty]

I am

But i had to remove my powerplant because it was awful so currently i have now power

[dreamy nimbus]

then you're not struggling if you know what you're doing, you're just fixing things

[dreamy nimbus]

Don't remove power plants...

[lapis jetty]

Also my base has 0 power so why do my jumpy things not work

[dreamy nimbus]

You can upgrade them but not remove them

else you have no power

that wasn't a great move from you

[viral sparrow]

^ instead make a new one so you have power to supply everything, then you can tear the old one down and rebuild it

[lapis jetty]

It was barely functional so i am currently making it functional by breaking it down and placing back in correct way

[dreamy nimbus]

if you have enough power from elsewhere sure, but if you don't just don't

[dreamy nimbus]

if it was barely functional, you can just fix it ?

[viral sparrow]

thats why i said a new one first..

[lapis jetty]

It is easier to restart

[dreamy nimbus]

oh yeah mb, my BWD factory isn't working so I'll just redo one

(one of the biggest factories in the game)

for things such as power and main basic ressources you fix them or rebuild them elsewhere but not tear them down apart...

[viral sparrow]

i get where hes coming from though

[lapis jetty]

This is just whats easiest for me rn

[viral sparrow]

he shouldve made a new one first then remake the old one

he didnt do that and thats just a mistake he made and thats fine

[dreamy nimbus]

^

[viral sparrow]

this game is all about making mistakes

[lapis jetty]

Im currently walking on my hyper tube because its still faster than walking from my steel factory to my base

[dreamy nimbus]

maybe first work on your power before that

[lapis jetty]

I need to walk on the hyper tube to get back to my powerplant

[dreamy nimbus]

oh it was really walking and not working mb

I assumed since you make few mistakes when writing english

[lapis jetty]

I just permanently have shakey hands so typing on my phone is hard

[dreamy nimbus]

fair

[lapis jetty]

Why are my jumping thingys still powered if they have no power

[dreamy nimbus]

idk I don't use them

[opaque quartz]

coal power is like the first boss of the game, tbh

[lapis jetty]

How do i make the bottom method with the coal side cuz like i cant really use splitters as the ones at the end will not get much coal

[wind spade]

they will... eventually

[thorn trail]

the ends of manifolds eventually fill up if your input rate is sufficient

[opaque quartz]

all three of the builds in that diagram are using the same inputs and outputs (120 coal per minute, 360 water per minute, 8:3 gen:extractor ratio)

[scenic lintel]

If I'm hooking up water extractractors do I need to use multiple pipes lines if I have 10? Each one extracting 120, a Mk1 pipe holds 300, so At max is it able to hold 3 extractors? or does it need to be multiple lines?

[opaque quartz]

a mk1 pipe can only support 2.5 water extractors worth of water. so yes, if you are trying to move more water than that, you need more pipes

reference the coal generator schematic that was linked above just a bit ago

[lapis jetty]

This is what i have so far

[oblique hollow]

3 generators at 100% need only 135/min water

45/min per generator (at 100%)

[thorn trail]

actually, that looks like 4 per pipe

[opaque quartz]

they are following the third layout in the wiki schematic

[oblique hollow]

that would be 180/min per pipe
just need 3 water extractors and then split the output of one in half

[thorn trail]

god it's been too long since I have done anything without blueprints, I am forgetting the basics. don't listen to me.

[lapis jetty]

That is what i was doing because im following the wiki

[oblique hollow]

then you are good to go

just dont merge 3 water extractors into a single pipeline segment

that wont work

[silent shoal]

Why can't I scan?
I'm trying to find a specific alt "Nitro Rocket Fuel"

[paper plover]

if you at last phase / stage of the game, even if you got extra HDs. You have unlocked everything 🙂

[thorn trail]

you can only learn recipes that are available for what you have unlocked in the milestones and the MAM

ie. you can't get a rocket fuel recipe from a hard drive in phase 1

[silent shoal]

I unlocked Nitrogen Gas.

[thorn trail]

have you unlocked regular rocket fuel through the MAM?

[silent shoal]

yes but not turbo fuel, ill try unlocking it

[opaque quartz]

you can't unlock rocket fuel in the MAM without unlocking turbofuel first

[zealous coral]

@timid wren

[timid wren]

Still doesnt explain shit

[zealous coral]

so what you need to know more?

[timid wren]

well, i try to figure it out myself, it gonna be fun more this way

I just probably need to pick some amount of uranium and just follow path and do math

[opaque quartz]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

remember that you need to add nuclear waste as an input to get the plutonium/ficsonium recipes to work

[timid wren]

I dont know how to use that tool

[zealous coral]

I also had problem with this website so i created my own tool

[timid wren]

Im just gonna yolo, since later i might redo all tthings

[wind spade]

feel free to ask

[timid wren]

I really cant be bother to learn that tool rn, i need break from learning things 😄 i want to play da game

[wind spade]

it's very simple tbh

[timid wren]

simple things are hard when you tired, tho thanks for encouraging, maybe one day

[lapis jetty]

I just got back from doing things is one mk2 miner on pure coal enough to power this

[dreamy nimbus]

you can't unlock rocket fuel before turbo fuel.

[fierce ruin]

yes

[vital charm]

reinforced iron plate regular or bolted with cast screw?

[wind spade]

I mean answer to this and any similar question is "depends on your preferences"

[fierce ruin]

i would personally do this to create a loop (the boxes are junctions) to ensure they get enough water

the 3 there would be for the water extractors

[lapis jetty]

I was told that mk1 pipes cant carry enough water for that

[fierce ruin]

yeah, they cant carry 360, but this method makes sure it works

dont exactly know how though, but it 100% works

[zealous coral]

for me bolted are the worst one. personaly prefer stitched

stitched with iron wire

First od all, bolted use a lot of resources even with cast screw, secondly i try to avoid screw as there are problems with logistic with them

[opaque quartz]

the water extractor in the middle is sending half its water into each feed pipe, so you end up with 180 per pipe which is enough for four coal gens

the trick here is you are not trying to send all 360 water through any single pipe segment, as the max for a mk1 pipe is 300/min

that's "how it works"

[silent shoal]

Thanks I didn't see that
In my defense I'm not the one dealing with MAM

[lapis jetty]

Conveyor belt mk3 is the only thing keeping me sane rn

With This factory can i oc my coal gens

[outer vale]

think it through

how much water would need to go through each pipe?

[lapis jetty]

Lemme find a calculator rq

Currently i need 180 waters per side i have 3 pumps which each make 120 water so i am currently using my max water pumpage

So i cant oc

Because my pipes cant support more water

Is that correct

[outer vale]

yup, with that pipe setup you'd have the same issue you initially had

[lapis jetty]

Wont i always have that issue until i get mk2 pipes

[outer vale]

you could split them up further, or just not overclock at all and build more instead

[opaque quartz]

or build more pipes

i.e. run one water extractor per two coal gens or something similar

but yeah it's easier to just build more. you're in the right spot (waterfall lake) for coal power. there are enough coal nodes there and enough water to be able to build 24-32 coal gens easily

[lapis jetty]

I overclocked my front two power gens and the system seems to handle it

[opaque quartz]

my suggestion? stop guessing, and do the math

you're gonna have a rough go of it as you progress if you aren't able to work these things out in-game

[fierce ruin]

this is my current coal setup for instance

[opaque quartz]

this is clean. nice work

[fierce ruin]

i always prefill pipes (and in the case of manifolding also the buildables) and try to build more of a building before i think about overclocking

[lapis jetty]

While the water the powerplants can store is providing enough of a buffer for at least two powerplants im just going to play it safe and use what i know will work

Cuz its already 220mw above my max consumption and about 300w above what im actually using

[outer vale]

sticking with the 3:8 ratio does tend to make it easier, just building multiple copies of it as needed

[harsh schooner]

i had the same and then i decided to build 60GW with rocketfuel and before that turbofuel

sinc 2400 mW werent enough

[fierce ruin]

yeah im going diluted then rocket fuel

[harsh schooner]

yeah i didnt had diluted so taht sucks

[fierce ruin]

putting the coal/fuel gens on standby and then turning them on slowly seems to help

[zealous coral]

i use a buffer between pipes and this solving the problem.

[opaque quartz]

generators are the only machines that will accept input while on standby, so it works well for prefilling pipes (water in coal gens and NPPs, fuel in fuel gens, etc)

[opaque quartz]

buffers are completely unnecessary

match your inputs to outputs

[zealous coral]

Im sure it was necessary but it was so long ago :). I see i have here 12 extractors and 32 coal plants, 5 buffers and all in mk1 pipes and all lights green

[outer vale]

The one real use for buffers is for buffering stations, since they cut off during load/unload

[lapis jetty]

I keep forgetting to set smelters for iron ingots

[outer vale]

Outside of that they're ~useless for anything automated

[zealous coral]

i suppose buffers itself were not needed, just moving pipe up to control water overflow

[opaque quartz]

you can accomplish the same thing with just pumps

[versed violet]

Bolted has lowest power usage and size footprint. Can be paired with steel screws.

[alpine mortar]

😨

[dusky dust]

Yeah, Pure Copper especially can get pretty nuts

Though honestly any of the recipes at that scale will probably be kind of crazy

[alpine mortar]

alloy was even worse so I'm trying to do pure

[dusky dust]

Well, at that scale I think I'd probably be pretty tempted by Alloy. It's not that much less ore efficiency, at the cost of needing Iron (but who cares, Iron is everywhere and plentiful), and as a bonus you don't need to place water extractors and deal with potential piping issues

Though blueprints help a lot, of course; can at least plonk down decent-sized refinery chunks

[alpine mortar]

I mean if I use alloy it turns into this which is a lot less appealing than a 14000 water and a lot less copper

I swear alloy used to be better, was it nerfed or something? 🤔

[dusky dust]

Heh, only 25% more copper, and a third of the machines that using Pure required (with a building type that's easier to densely blueprint, to boot!)

Yeah, Iron requirements for Copper Alloy were doubled in 1.0, unless I'm misremembering that

(Well I think technically everything but iron was halved, is more accurate)

[dreamy nimbus]

what are you even trying to build ?

[alpine mortar]

very true about the machine quantity and ease to place down, but the amt of extra time spent placing more rail for that amt of iron is lol

[alpine mortar]

dump the rest of my HMFs into nuclear pasta cuz I made a lot more than I need

[dusky dust]

Heh, I suppose there's that, yeah. :D

Honestly at that scale anything's gonna be kind of painful; really it's just pick your poison. :)

[alpine mortar]

yeah exactly, honestly just posted it cuz i thought it was funny

I have a bunch of other preliminary factories to build before having to do that

"having" this save file is kind of a meme atp anyway, I'm kinda just having fun building big for no reason

[dusky dust]

Yeah, building big is its own reward, if that's your thing, :)

[restive sparrow]

Here we go...another newb with plumbing problems. The very last 2 generators in a string of 8 are not getting consistant waterflow. The entire system isn't more than a couple meters off water level so I doubt headlift is the problem. The problem seems to be the longer pipes in that section but I don't know what to do about that. Any introduction of pumps simply starves something else.
All 3 generators are at typical 100% clock speed (no underclock).
This should be a pretty standard reproduction of a 3-8 coal setup, the only difference being the water extractors are run along side instead of straight across.
It should be acting like the diagram in pic 3.
Yes, I know feeding from below is not ideal, but nothing is requiring much headlift.

I tried shutting down the final 3 generators, let them fill all the way up then turned them back on and those final 2 just slowly drain back out.

[rich arrow]

How can I get this thing to stop spawning on my roads? I've killed it like over 10 times already

[wind spade]

place powered buildings near its spawn

[rich arrow]

Do decorative buildings such as lights work?

[thorn bane]

feed the generators from above not from below
its not just headlift, fluid sloshes/backflows weirdly if its trying to go up a pipe

[rich arrow]

Because power poles don't seem to be stopping it

[opaque quartz]

This piping is extremely needlessly complicated

It’s much simpler to build the plants at water level and place the extractors directly across from them

!wikisearch cg

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[opaque quartz]

Run a single pipe across that connects to all the generators. Feed it from either end with two of your extractors and then the third in the middle

Single elevation

[thorn bane]

its fine
id combine 2x for 240 and 120 and not have the loop but none of those things explain why his setup isnt working

[restive sparrow]

Understood that shorter runs directly across are better, I'm just trying to salvage my first build.

Sloshing maybe ok. The other generators should be more than full enough to fill up the end ones sloshing or otherwise.

Plus why only the end ones have problems? The only difference is pipe length leading up to the entry point.

The sloshing doesn't bother absolutely any of the others

and thy're all at the same elevation.

[opaque quartz]

Did you let all the pipes flood before turning on the generators?

[restive sparrow]

I understand below feed is not ideal, but I'm trying to understand why this is happening.

I did. I've also more recently turned off the gens that weren't full on water, let them fill (checked others stayed full) then turned back on, and they drained back down

[thorn bane]

what exactly happens when its backing up? like which generator is running full and is there a pipe thats limiting?

*which water extractor

[restive sparrow]

Oddly all 3 of them seem to pulse on and off a bit (more on than off).

All pipes seem to be full except the corner that feeds up to the last generator

[thorn bane]

and the flow of the pipes? are any fluctuating close to 300/min?

[restive sparrow]

No scratch that not true. Not all FULL.

No pipes appear anywhere near 300. Mostly fluxing around 100-150

[opaque quartz]

Pipe flow and pipe fullness are not the same thing

[restive sparrow]

I know that.

Section near the far left end, to the left of the intersection where it enters.

[thorn bane]

ye idk the only thing i can think of is the feeding from below
someone said that adding extra pumps helped so that might be worth trying out

[restive sparrow]

Thats fluxing 0 to 100 or so.

[proven pawn]

why are my iron plate constructors (pink) idling?
its supposed to be recieving the iron iongots

[restive sparrow]

Pipe going up to 2nd to last gen.

Pipe going into last gen

[thorn trail]

fluids always settle at the lowest level possible due to gravity, thus your elevated pipe sections require all the pipe below them to be full before they get any fluid. That elongated pipe at the top level between the first and last generator would be my suspect, as it is getting a portion of the fluid once the lower pipes fill diverting fluid away from the generators till that elongated pipe fills

[opaque quartz]

A pump might help here, but failing that i would remove all the bottom feeding

[restive sparrow]

I only put that loop pipe in to try to help. It was worse before

[restive sparrow]

Yeah this was my suspect that I might have to. Just a HUGE pain in the ass.

[opaque quartz]

At the end of the day, pipe systems work best when simple

[thorn trail]

regardless of where the problem is, bones is correct that the design is suspect due to the feeding from below

[opaque quartz]

I think you could fix the bottom feeding here without a tremendous amount of effort

[restive sparrow]

There's still absolutely no explanation for why the earlier generators are completely full on water. Pipes shouldn't care so much about length.

[thorn bane]

pipes are black magic xD

[restive sparrow]

generators 4-8 are completely full and don't give a shit about bottom feeding

[thorn trail]

pipes are not belts, they must fill up before fluid will move through them to the next pipe if there is an elevation change

[restive sparrow]

I don't know how rearanging these pipes wouldn't be a ton of effort. The piping always seems to be huge effort.

[restive sparrow]

Right...and all of the pipes are doing the exact same thing

[thorn trail]

and when machines before them are also consuming fluids, they are consuming that fluid from the pipe that was already filled up

[restive sparrow]

All of the feeder pipes into the network are full the exact same way

[thorn trail]

thus the pipe is no longer filled up and must refill before any movement at the ends

that is why length matters, because it means much less pipe to fill before you get movement at the ends

[opaque quartz]

One trick I use is to clip a 2m foundation in front of the pipe input, place a junction there, and then remove the foundation

[thorn bane]

also it helps to make a blueprint

[thorn trail]

also, I'd suggest keeping your piping at the same level as the generator inputs and bring your solids in from above. much easier to work with conveyor lifts than doing vertical with pipes

but that is more of a general practice suggestion

[restive sparrow]

Yup. Again, just trying to salvage my first build. Good advice though. Below for solids works too depending on your setup.

[thorn trail]

You already have that long pipe at the generator level extending from start to finish, you can attach 3 pipe junctions onto that elongated pipe in the same spots as you would for your manifold distribution and move the feeder pipes up to them, then eliminate the bottom feeding completely

[restive sparrow]

Oh shit I forgot you can just attach junctions directly to existing pipe

My 2nd generator plant is on the right/background of this pic. This feed from below is working perfectly because it is symmetrical and it is a long enough vertical run to fit pumpshttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553550313533997057/1352751985983623208/image.png?ex=67df27f6&is=67ddd676&hm=55923c08141aca9bff9f33c426709d6f83e22bb2be661877dffd536543656e4e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1537&height=864

[thorn bane]

its the feeding to the generator that matters not how you feed the long pipe

[thorn trail]

exactly, in that case there is no place for the water to settle

[restive sparrow]

The feed is from below but the run itself is nice and level which I think helps

[thorn trail]

no, the input is from below, not the feed

all of the places where the water could exit the system via outputs is at the same vertical level in your second factory

[ebon fulcrum]

Hi everyone, just wanted to know, has the pipeline issue been fixed since the official release of the game?

[thorn bane]

with "feed from below" we mean the pipe connecting to the generator
on the second picture it is leveled so its not feeding from below

[thorn bane]

which one
some have some havent

[ebon fulcrum]

the fact that when it works 300/min it doesn't do them

the flow was not good because of the fact that the processor can have latencies, it seems to me that this was the bug

[restive sparrow]

The 2m foundation trick worked fairly well. This is a complete mess and I hate it, but it works:

[vapid gorge]

You’ll often have issues when you’re effectively bottom feeding

The lower pipe is feeding the upper one

[proven pawn]

is this biome good to expand from green plains?

[wind spade]

depends what you want to build there

[fallow vault]

im coming from playing Factorio and i used this calculator to know how many factories and whatnot i need to make something at some speed. is there anything like that for satisfactory?

[opaque quartz]

#welcome message

[fallow vault]

i look dumb now thanks

[warm dawn]

@lone vigil

[frosty owl]

There was never such an issue AFAIK. Bad flow at 300/min should always be and always have been due to bad piping.
600/min may encounter/have encountered issues due to either poor hardware performance (eg: savefile too big or PC too small) and/or inaccuracies in the game's simulation

[vapid gorge]

I recommend the satisfactory tools one, best ui and functions

[quartz pasture]

So it looks like train load/unload causes the platform to stop transferring liquids

am I right then that throughput is best when the unloading train arrives as close to exact timing as possible?

My trains currently do not successfully transfer all 1600m^3 before the next train arrives

[dark nymph]

More stations?

[oblique hollow]

Actually, theres a sweet spot. Because one train right after another means the station is more frequently locked down and not accepting or outoutting parts via belt OR pipe

[opaque quartz]

Use buffers with the platforms to allow the flow to continue while the 30 second animation lockout is running

[wind spade]

@upbeat wadi choose anything you like, you can get all recipes anyway and there's no wrong choice.

Every recipe has advantages and disadvantages, it's up to you if you like it or not

[opaque quartz]

@lapis jetty here’s a screenshot of the plan I linked earlier (I’m also on my phone so this is the best I can do at the moment)

[lapis jetty]

Thats a lot of buildings for 2 a minute

[opaque quartz]

It’s really not

[harsh schooner]

then make more?? wtf

[fallow siren]

its nothing compared to more advanced part

[opaque quartz]

I used 2/min as an example here as that is a single assembler on the final output step. You’ll notice that the machines upstream are not even at 1x

[lapis jetty]

Okay

[opaque quartz]

So if you wanted to increase this to 5/min for example, you wouldn’t need many more machines

[lapis jetty]

I would just need to oc

[opaque quartz]

Or build more machines

[lapis jetty]

Or that

[harsh schooner]

just make ur on graph on the websie and see for urself wtf lol

[opaque quartz]

Two assemblers, or one at 200% OC, etc

[lapis jetty]

I can't rn

I was planning on seeing what i could plan when i got home

[opaque quartz]

My suggestion is to play with it when you are back at a desktop computer

Yep there ya go

[lapis jetty]

Then i need to go iron node hunting

I need to make a new powerplant first

[opaque quartz]

Iron is everywhere

[lapis jetty]

Ik

Its just i need to find a spot that can allow me to do what i need to do

[opaque quartz]

Yep. It’s part of the game. Scouting locations, making plans, figuring out logistics

The map is huge, and gorgeous. There’s lots to see and the game rewards exploration

[lapis jetty]

The map looks really good i do have to agree

[fallow siren]

south west of the map in grassy plain, theres 8 impure iron node
i build my 10/min smart plating there

[lapis jetty]

What the spawn grasssy plane or a diff one

[fallow siren]

grassy plain

[opaque quartz]

Grassy plains is the “easiest” spawn and is the default. There are four different spawns but it’s all on the same map

[fallow siren]

from my experience, with the right alts you dont even need to go out of grassy plain to finish phase 3, no oil computer and pure iron hmf setup

[opaque quartz]

You can get to the other spawn locations from wherever you start

[lapis jetty]

I gtg now cya

I will plan out a factory when i get home and check here if there going to be any major problems with it

[rich arrow]

How do I choose which recipes to use for the iron plates, the screws, the iron ingots, etc.? I only see the option to select the recipe for the final product (in this case heavy modular frames), I don't know how to change the recipes for it's materials, the materials' materials, and so on

[opaque quartz]

Try using satisfactory tools instead. Much better planner

[rich arrow]

alright found it thx

[fierce ruin]

finally. now time to work on my steel factory...

although i have no iron plates soooo

[harsh schooner]

pls fix that one belt there that goes up diagonally over such a long way

[civic bronze]

Bro is gonna have a great time with vertical splitters

[fierce ruin]

never

[upbeat wadi]

ok thanks

[lapis jetty]

Should i make another powerplant

[fallow siren]

if you feel like it

[fierce ruin]

is that the coal power plants?

[harsh schooner]

do you need more power? then yes, if u dont then dont 💀

if ur already building power then just make it twice as much as rn for future

[fierce ruin]

i'd say quadruple it

[harsh schooner]

well if he has the coal and water where hes rn

[fierce ruin]

good point

i forgot mk2 miners need steel pipes

[civic bronze]

"finally. now time to work on my steel factory..."

[fierce ruin]

i didnt mean it like that lol

[civic bronze]

Its the perfect time now 😛

[jagged warren]

do you guys plan ahead for your factories? as in producing more of something than you need knowing youll need it in the future

[opaque quartz]

Depends. When I made my nuclear pasta facility, I specifically also set aside extra pressure conversion cubes as I intend to use them for plutonium fuel rods later. But this is my second playthrough so this was a thing I already knew I would need

That planning ahead is tough if you don’t know what’s coming, so best to build for what you need now

[jagged warren]

i do know whats coming ahead, im not playing for the first time :p

[opaque quartz]

Well then yeah if you can develop a master plan of sorts it can be pretty satisfying

[jagged warren]

i personally plan ahead but only to some extent like lets say your tier 4 steel, ill usually produce 10 extra motors as i like making 5 MEs

but i dont build for turbo motors or similar which are way ahead

just wanted to hear about some other peoples playstyles :)

[civic bronze]

Generally not, unless i find perfect item, recipe chain and place

Having to do circuit boards every time for something is tiring, so i planned ahead, made 600/min from 900 oil and some water (whole oil well node on the beaches)

Already using 450+ from it

Via drones

#math-and-meta message here it is

[fierce ruin]

i sure dont lol

[civic bronze]

Forgot, uses 480 copper ore too, just 2 impure nodes nearby

[fierce ruin]

how does one manage to see train throughput

[opaque quartz]

The game doesn’t show it. Best way is to get a stopwatch

!wikisearch train+throughput

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=train+throughput

[fierce ruin]

awh shucks

[opaque quartz]

Wiki article above goes into detail

[civic bronze]

why do you need to know it?

[opaque quartz]

I generally just treat one platform as an extension of the belt that feeds it. Eg 600 going in will be 600 coming out the other side

[fierce ruin]

ill stick with belts instead

[dreamy nimbus]

what are the best recipes for the simplest factories which means, not a lot of complex logistic nor factory

[robust raptor]

It depends on what you're making and where you're making it

[dreamy nimbus]

where isn't the problem

[robust raptor]

Some alts can be really simple in certain regions of the map

[dreamy nimbus]

imagine I have all ressources at the same point and I was just aiming for simplicity

[robust raptor]

Well then logistics isn't a concern

Getting stuff to the same point is half the battle

[dreamy nimbus]

that's what I hate about this game

[robust raptor]

You hate... logistics?

What do you like about satisfactory then, I'm curious

[dreamy nimbus]

Inside factory logistics are fine

But outside factory logistic are ew

[harsh schooner]

make the biggest screw factory ever made

[dreamy nimbus]

nah I'm fine

[fierce ruin]

why is my game using <70% of my gpu, my fps isnt locked (unlimited) lol i want it to be 100%

i guess it doesn't need to? lol

[wind zinc]

CPU limit.

[fierce ruin]

nah my cpu is at 20%

[wind zinc]

just cuz its at 20% doesnt mean it isnt the limiting factor.

[fierce ruin]

the game is only using few cores of my cpu

[wind zinc]

yeah, cuz the game isnt coded to be able to use more

[stark compass]

will this be good for playing Satisfactory? I want to make big things and 100% the game online with a friend

[fierce ruin]

for 1080p for sure

[wind zinc]

CPU is fine
GPU will make you have to use or lowest though

[wind zinc]

BC it only has 4GB of VRAM

[fierce ruin]

his gpu will be fine if he runs low quality

[stark compass]

mhm, i've been a while wanting a better graphic card, any nvidia recommendation with a 500€ budget?

[wind zinc]

yeah, thats what im saying

[wind zinc]

does it HAVE to be NVIDIA ?

[fierce ruin]

5070

[fierce ruin]

frame generation

[stark compass]

yes, i have preference

[fierce ruin]

nvidia has better quality wise on functions lol

[wind zinc]

thats 550 and you might as well go to a lottery if you get one for 550

[wind zinc]

AMD has FG thats just has good

[fierce ruin]

mine was £1000 :p

[wind zinc]

why
buy it
for 1200€ ????

[fierce ruin]

Lmao 4080 super

amazing price deal

[wind zinc]

ahh
not totally insane then

[wind zinc]

FSR 4 = DLSS
in terms of quality

[fierce ruin]

well ye but your missing out on ray tracing, ai features and stability

soooo :p

[wind zinc]

if you cant get a 4070 super/non super or 5070 then i cant recommend anything

[fierce ruin]

all im saying do NOT go for any 4060s

[wind zinc]

the 9070's have similar RT performance to NVIDIA
AI fetures only matter if you wanna use it for work
and ironicly, NVIDIA has worse stability than AMD right now

[fierce ruin]

is that what you saw in the marketing or have actually tested them both for yourself

[wind zinc]

do I have to use both of them ?
just look at re occuring issues in satisfactory on NVIDIA that do not happen on AMD GPU's

• 50 series black screen issues

[oblique hollow]

baldur probably knows the most about that atm

[wind zinc]

And i havent had **any **issues with driver stability/bugs on my AMD GPU

[oblique hollow]

the #1038092680493801533 channel frequently has people bring up issues that can be traced to differences between GPUs and drivers

as far as i know, at this moment the most annoying AMD issue is fucked up pixels in lines

[wind zinc]

thats actually an NVIDIA thing
if we are thinking about the same issue

[fierce ruin]

last time i had an AMD gpu, it had red lines on lol

[oblique hollow]

i thought it was AMD, might be misremembering

[wind zinc]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1351715317633646592

[wind zinc]

when was that ?

[oblique hollow]

Issue with Nvidia 572.16 drivers.
Clearing games shader cache MIGHT help:
yea that

[fierce ruin]

RX 7800

[wind zinc]

and did you clear up your previous drivers ?

[wind zinc]

that also might not even be a software issue TBH

[oblique hollow]

honestly just searching for messages from @baldurfi and then you can get an overview of like the most frequent issues lol

[fierce ruin]

cant remember, but AMD drivers SUCK a lot

pain in ass to install and modify

[wind zinc]

as someone that has been using AMD GPU's for at least 5 years now
i disagree

[fierce ruin]

ive been using amd for 10 years

im a pc builder

[wind zinc]

i've only had major problems on a shitty IGP ( VEGA 3 )
its been solid on my RX 6600 though

[fierce ruin]

eh

most of my amd drivers just broke after few months

[oblique hollow]

isnt that a laptop igpu (the vega 3)

[fierce ruin]

its due to the heating of AMD's cards

[wind zinc]

yeah, its also on desktop though
paired with an athlon thing

[wind zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

sounds like a constant stream of issues i've never had
nor heard anyone have

[oblique hollow]

at this point this is more #off-topic-tech tbh tho.

[fierce ruin]

welp do what you prefer lmao

[wind zinc]

eg.: my brother bought a 7900 XT (he isnt very computer savy)
and i havent heard any complaints from him
and he has had it for at least a year now

[wind zinc]

just that its BC of thermal throttling is ridicuolus IMO
and i dont prefer AMD
they are just better value

[wind zinc]

yeah

agree'd

[fierce ruin]

would this manifold setup work? where both inputs are going in the opposite directions

[wind zinc]

i cant see a reason for why it shouldnt

[fierce ruin]

alr

[nocturne cargo]

currently doing phase 3, trying to make the modular engines - i did my calculations and it said it would take 5.4 hours is that right (my manufacterer is overclocked to 150%)

[fierce ruin]

500 modular engines?

[nocturne cargo]

yes 500 at 1.5 every 40 seconds

[opaque quartz]

Sloop your manufacturer and it will cut that time in half

[urban marsh]

how can i make my train tracks go down a steep incline without looking like dogshit

[thorn trail]

some people do spirals

[urban marsh]

i don't want a roller coaster

[harsh schooner]

just look in design or screenshot channel im sure u will find inspo

[zealous coral]

I build on foundations

This way it looks cool

[opaque quartz]

Put a ramp instead of a flat foundation on your pylon

[deft lichen]

build out 4 foundations, then build ramps and finish it with another 4 foundations
lay the track on the ramps starting after the 4th ramp and ending before the 4th-to-last ramp, then connect it on both ends

the ramp can be as long as you want, remove the clipping stuff at the top after you're done

[vapid gorge]

Build them on foundations

[stone delta]

Has anyone solved the vertically stacked pipe manifold sloshing and head lift issues?

[vapid gorge]

Yes, it’s called ‘don’t build vertical fluid manifolds’. A very technical process and name

[proven pawn]

what the hell

[opaque quartz]

if you have the previous intermediate parts already being produced (such as automated wiring), you can supply those as inputs in the production planner so it doesn't generate the whole production plan for those components over again

[proven pawn]

Oh good to know, though i dont have any spaceelevator parts automated yet

[outer vale]

if you break it down into smaller subplans it'll be much less overwhelming too

the bulk of that top part is making 1 HMF, so you could split out a separate plan for that

[opaque quartz]

sf tools lets you do multiple tabs, so it's really helpful to break your production chains down into smaller more managable chunks

[stone delta]

Ok. I am currently documenting the solution. I just wanted to make sure no one has done it before.

[proven pawn]

would i need to make the "Adaptive control unit" again for other space elevator phase or is it only phase 3

[opaque quartz]

every elevator part becomes the basis for more complex parts in future phases

e.g. automated wiring is needed directly in phase 2, becomes a consitutent part of adaptive control units in phase 3

[proven pawn]

oh so its better to automate it then?

alright thx

[opaque quartz]

up to you. since you need a fixed number of them each phase, another option is to build stand-alone machines that are container-fed to just make the exact number you need

sloop the final production machine to cut the input resource requirements in half as a bonus

[stone delta]

Anyone else interested in a veritcal stack pipe manifold solution with free headlift? I am currently documenting my solution.

[outer vale]

not personally but I look forward to the peer review

[vapid gorge]

Is it possible? Yes. Some fools have made certain manifolds work by feeding from the top

It doesn’t work all the time and is very unreliable

[stone delta]

Thanks. Do you have links for those that have tried their solutions?

[vapid gorge]

No, I don’t deal with unreliable set ups

[tired olive]

could anyone help me figure some things out with my factory

[outer vale]

without knowing the actual question it'll be a tad tricky

[tired olive]

just wondering why my smelters are not getting all the ore needed when i have enough coming in

conused why the first two or rreally only getting the ore

[opaque quartz]

manifolds take time to fill up

it will sort itself out eventually as long as your input and output amounts are correct, and your belt speed can support the total needed for the manifold

[tired olive]

ohhhhh okay i have 10-15 hourrs on the game so hella confused on alot of things

should i use mk2 conveyers just got em

[opaque quartz]

you have 6 smelters here, looks like iron ore?

[tired olive]

yup

[opaque quartz]

how much iron ore does each smelter take?

[tired olive]

30

[opaque quartz]

ok, and how much ore is your miner producing?

[fierce ruin]

is that being solely produced as a project assembly part?

[tired olive]

60 and i have 3 miners

so 180 total

[vapid gorge]

And how much can your mk1 belt move pm?

[opaque quartz]

ok. and you have a single belt feeding the whole thing? how much can the belt move?

[tired olive]

mk1 can move 60

[fierce ruin]

if you want you could split the input into 2 and then both into 3

[opaque quartz]

ok so what do you suppose the issue is then?

[tired olive]

the belt speed

[opaque quartz]

so how do you think you could fix it?

[tired olive]

use mk2 belts

[opaque quartz]

how much do mk2 belts move?

[tired olive]

120

[opaque quartz]

so does that fix your problem?

[tired olive]

i think it will

[vapid gorge]

Is 180 bigger or smaller than 120?

[tired olive]

bigger

[vapid gorge]

So how will you fit 180 on a 120 belt?

[tired olive]

split them to two like he said

[vapid gorge]

You can’t merge them in the first place

As you’ll always have the 120 bottle neck

[fierce ruin]

180 comes from the miner so you'd need a mk3 belt

[vapid gorge]

It’s 3x60 miner outputs

[opaque quartz]

he's got three miners that are being merged

[fierce ruin]

OH

then 3 sets of 2 miners

i mean smelters#

[vapid gorge]

In any case just process each miners output independently

You’ll almost always be limited by your belt speed

[opaque quartz]

3 sets of two smelters

or 4 and 2 (with mk2 belt serving the larger group)

but doing 2 smelters per miner to start with is the most straightforward option

the next tier of belt you unlock (mk3) can move 270/minute

you get mk3 belts when you get to steel production in phase 2

[fierce ruin]

i find it funny how mk1 belts are more expensive for me currently than like mk4

[opaque quartz]

general consensus is that mk2 and mk4 belts are more "expensive" because they require complex parts (RIP and EIB, respectively)

mk1 is basic (iron plates) as is mk3 (steel beams)

[tired olive]

thank yall for help i split every smelter into 2's

[fierce ruin]

im currently running off of iron plates from the awesome shop aha

need to finish my steel

[opaque quartz]

for reference, the original way you laid it out is called a manifold. these work great but you have to have the belt capacity to support it

[opaque quartz]

oh, honey

[fallow siren]

1 impure node should have you automate plates and rod

[robust raptor]

And mk5 belts are dirt cheap once you have aluminium set up

I love them so much

[opaque quartz]

iron plates are literally the easiest thing in the game to automate. why are you wasting coupons on them

[fierce ruin]

the water in my aluminium always backed up

[fallow siren]

buying iron plates from shop is just a waste of coupons

[fierce ruin]

i just need to finish my steel and itll be fine

[robust raptor]

?

[opaque quartz]

i'm so confused

[robust raptor]

It's literally a single constructor

Iron ingot -> iron plate

[opaque quartz]

why are you trying to make steel before aluminum?

[fierce ruin]

oh no, its part of my factory

yeah don't ask LOL

[opaque quartz]

too late, I already did

[robust raptor]

So you have aluminium, but are buying iron plates with coupons?

[fierce ruin]

no

[opaque quartz]

anyways, if you need help with water in aluminum production make a thread in #1038092680493801533 (or look at existing ones there) - it comes up all the time

[fierce ruin]

gotcha

[opaque quartz]

tl;dr don't mix fresh and waste water

[fallow siren]

are you not automating it? its literally the first item you want to automate

[robust raptor]

Or if you do (you probably shouldn't unless you know what you're doing), get ready to use one of the weird ways to do fluid prioritisation

[fallow siren]

if you dont want to deal with recycling waste water back to refinery, burn them for wet concrete

or other pure ingots really

[fierce ruin]

its part of my steel factory

[fallow siren]

thats not an answer for my question

[fierce ruin]

oh well if im currently automating it, then no

[robust raptor]

Well look, there's iron plates in your pic right there

Why not automate that first

[fierce ruin]

im like halfway done with the whole thing

[robust raptor]

???

In almost all cases, it is good to have more basic stuff automated before more advanced stuff

[fierce ruin]

i do (apart from the plates and rods currently)

[fallow siren]

automating iron plates is just 2 step, just use random impure node and youre done

[robust raptor]

Yeah, maybe it's a good idea to automate those

[fallow siren]

put them into depot

[robust raptor]

It really isn't that hard

You did steel, you can put down a constructor for iron plates

[fierce ruin]

yeah i already did that

ill finish the factory before i turn on anything

[fallow siren]

better just turn on the iron plate first?
you want to have supplies of them instead of relying on coupons

[robust raptor]

Well, whatever works for you I suppose

I mean, iron plates are so simple you don't need much space or effort to bootstrap some

Just place a smelter and constructor next to your iron ore line and that's easy plates right there

[fierce ruin]

ok so for manifolds, should the lane be a single mk type or should it change depending on the input?

because this is starting to back up even though with load balancing it wouldnt

[outer vale]

best to use one speed

ideally your fastest

[fierce ruin]

alright

what about the belt lifts?

[outer vale]

or at least, all the input lines from the manifold to the machines should be the same speed as the manifold line itself

[outer vale]

they're just belts

same rules

[fierce ruin]

wow it isn't backing up anymore

[outer vale]

individual machines backing up their inputs is expected behaviour of manifolds, only the last split won't be

[fierce ruin]

it was backing up the line causing the smelter to be backed up too

[opaque quartz]

yeah, if your main belt supply on the manifold isn't fast enough, it will bottleneck

did you have a starter factory that originally made iron plates etc that you tore down or something?

[fierce ruin]

yes

[opaque quartz]

well there it is

imho don't tear down factories. even if they are ugly and inefficient, if they still produce parts then they are still useful

otherwise you end up in the situation where you are wasting coupons on extremely basic parts

[fierce ruin]

i had to in order to build this iron factory

[opaque quartz]

no, you didn't

the map is huge

there are tons of great iron factory locations all over

in every biome

[outer vale]

over 90k iron available worldwide

[proven pawn]

yall is it good to use crude oil (phase 3) soley just to fuel generators?

[outer vale]

you're probably gonna need to use oil for other things too, but sure you can dedicate certain nodes for power

no different to how you'd use coal for coal gens or steel

[proven pawn]

ok great because i wanted to know if its considered wasteful to use crude oil jsut for power

[fierce ruin]

diluted fuel + HOR alt recipes are very good for oil power

diluted packaged fuel is the same you just need packagers

[proven pawn]

i dont have those yet sadly

[opaque quartz]

you'll need plastic and rubber too

[proven pawn]

i have those

[opaque quartz]

but the good news is that you can make a decent amount of all of those and fuel at the same time

[proven pawn]

when i automated plastic and rubber, i didnt have the fuel gen yet so i used coke for coal gens

should i redo it and fit a fuel gen

im kinda tempted

[opaque quartz]

just leave it be, tap a new oil node for making power

[proven pawn]

alright

[opaque quartz]

constantly rebuilding your existing stuff is a good way to get burned out imho

[proven pawn]

ah good to know

[stone delta]

@outer vale @vapid gorge Basically, the solution that I found was to feed the manifold from the top and use gravity induced fluid priority circuits to always fill the top building first before moving down to the next building. It appeared reliable after extensive testing.

However, it's unclear if this solution will work with gases, because gases are unaffected by gravity and I haven't tested that case yet.

[outer vale]

what's the "free headlift" part of that?

[outer vale]

jump link back so I don't have to keep scrolling

[stone delta]

You have a separate water loop that goes up and down, and then connects to the all of the bottom pipes with a zero limiter, and all the pipes get the free head lift. I am not sure why, but passively pumping water is more
to headlift disturbances from sloshing then active pumping does.

[outer vale]

that sounds like a standard water tower sort of setup

one high line connected to others to borrow the head lift

[stone delta]

Yes. However, if you naively just do the standard water tower to a vertical H manifold (feeding from buttom to top), it wouldn't work, because the sloshing will kill the headlift.

[stone delta]

If you also try naively feeding from the top, that wouldn't work either, because the top building will loose the headlift. The only solution that I found was you had to combine all three fluid tricks at once.

[outer vale]

not sure I follow with losing head lift there, but I'm not a pipe expert so I'll leave the peer review to actual peers 😄

[vapid gorge]

gravity priority circuits? like VIPs? yes, vips nor top feeding vertical manifolds aren't reliable options, it absolutely doesn't do it's thing with gases

[outer vale]

My memory of feeding from the top via gravity was something like this, with the lil kinks to stop it all cascading to the bottom right away

beautiful paint art, I take commissions

[stone delta]

What do you mean reliable? You mean reliable for both gases and fluids? I am only refering to fluids here. I have not tested gases yet.

I think this is the manifold that I built.

Ok. I think this is the picture that I drew last time for this vertical manifold. @outer vale

[tired olive]

thank yall for help my factory is running at 100% efficiency now

[proven pawn]

what do i do with polymer resin

[opaque quartz]

Open the codex in game. Press O

Search resin and see what recipes are available

[proven pawn]

thx

[opaque quartz]

FYI there is one useful recipe for resin that you unlock in the MAM, mycelia tree

[proven pawn]

nearly doubled my power with JUST this

[outer vale]

nice, but why the pump?

[fallow siren]

remove the pump and valve

no reason to use them for that setup

[opaque quartz]

Pumps are only needed for headlift (eg when pipes climb in elevation). Unnecessary here when everything is flat

[dreamy nimbus]

haven't seen that useless pump and valve

btw refineries have a 10m headlift

and in that case you don't need to stop backflow since it doesn't happen, the fuel gens take fuel which create pressure which make the fluid go towards the fuel gens

i think

[vapid gorge]

to be fair, the pipe is is going up towards the manifold which can cause some back flow that a pump can be used for directionality.
but with a manifold this short probably not needed no

[dreamy nimbus]

tbf I add pumps wherever I can

"just in case"

I've looked it up, basically gens make less pressure environnement where pipes with high pressure naturally flow towards

higher pressure -> lower pressure

the more fluid the higher the pressure

very interesting stuff

[vapid gorge]

tools is more reliable

[buoyant harness]

not only rounding issues

10.36 and 11.027 is a difference

[vapid gorge]

gonna have ot assume calc is using a dif recipe

[buoyant harness]

and no roudning issue

[vapid gorge]

if you have multiple recipes ticked in calc it'll pick the first down the list

[buoyant harness]

i did select all of the alt recipes

on both

[vapid gorge]

yup, they have different priorities on which recipes to pick

[outer vale]

I see Calc isn't using the same amount of silica as Tools

[vapid gorge]

this is not surprising

[buoyant harness]

so tools is cheaper?

like the income?

[vapid gorge]

no, just more reliable in function

[buoyant harness]

or does it rely on easy to build

[vapid gorge]

afaik
Calc - just chooses whichever recipe is first for the item on it's list
tools - hast different weights for different resources and picks based on that

[buoyant harness]

ahhh

[vapid gorge]

But honestly you should be narrowing down the recipe choice yourself for your factory to use the resources you want it to

it's essentially impossible to just have 'cheapest' plan be an option because cheapest in what way? which resources? different recipes have different trade offs, and your location and what is available makes that different for everyone

SCIM also has other issues, poor UI and bad at doing the recycle loop

[buoyant harness]

yea

[buoyant harness]

good to know

[buoyant harness]

yea

[vast maple]

waht is scim

[vapid gorge]

the next version of Tools might have an option where you can put in your own personal weights on resources? not sure

[vapid gorge]

an interactive map and calculator.

[buoyant harness]

satisfactory-calculator.com i guess

[vapid gorge]

the map is great, the planner is... not awful but there are better choices

[buoyant harness]

for the easy stuff this is reliable

[buoyant harness]

but for the harder ones and bigger factory, Cobalt said the other one is better (www.satisfactorytools.com)

[vapid gorge]

imo I don't see the point in using scim for any of hte planning since tools is good at both simple and more complex things, but everyone is diff

[buoyant harness]

yea

just saying i dont think theres something scim could make wrong for the production of iron plates for example

but yea

[buoyant harness]

this is better anyways so better use it from the beginning

[vapid gorge]

making iron plates with plastic and the oil reycle loop - would be bad 😛

[proven pawn]

chat chat chat

i got the diluted thingy yall been talking about

sooo, im supposed to unpackage this and get an even more efficient fuel gen?

[vapid gorge]

package, then refinery, then unpackage

[opaque quartz]

The 1:1:1 loop of packager refinery packager is a poor man’s blender, basically

[latent anchor]

There is a blender version of the recipe if you want to use that instead. However, it will need to be unlocked separately.

[opaque quartz]

You can’t get the blender version until phase 4

[latent anchor]

That's why I said "if"

still good to point that out though

[opaque quartz]

Yep. Hence my “poor man’s” comment - a stand in until you can get actual blenders

[latent anchor]

Yeah, I just was clarifying that the poor man's version isn't the only one. I reckon you were clear enough, but I'm a pedant so of course I had to say something lol

I should probably shut up now

[opaque quartz]

All good

[proven pawn]

whats the "Blue" signal on these machines?

[fallow siren]

over clock

[nimble haven]

wow . . .

[proven pawn]

how good even is this

[magic dock]

Extremely good, even has a special ability to only turn one way

||(In all seriousness, its a joke from the developers. Its essentially undrivable, only turning left and unstable in general)||

[proven pawn]

bruh

wym only turning left

[buoyant harness]

what should i take?

[proven pawn]

any

[buoyant harness]

turbo blend fuel is a tier tho

[frosty owl]

It's you who knows your own preferences, not us ^^
Do you like Turbo Fuel? Do you like Inventory Slots? Do you prefer one over the other? Are you in a point in the game where you don't care about one of the two...?

In other words, your question is akin to "which design should I pick for my buildings?" (in #design-and-architecture): something completely dependent on your own preferences (of which you gave no info on in your question).

So, yeah, I could "waste" just one second to "answer" your question, but here I go text-walling instead as the alternative just doesn't feel appropriate to me 😅

[frosty owl]

What do you mean?

[buoyant harness]

i mean i collected all hard drives

all but 1

www.oneesports.gg/gaming/satisfactory-alternate-recipes-tier-list/

[night tendon]

I would pick Turbo Blend Fuel

[frosty owl]

Then you really should not worry about recipe choice as there's ||less recipes than hardrives|| ^^

[storm imp]

In the end it doesn't really matter - as you'll have a surplus of Harddrives than what can be unlocked

So if you have collected all harddrives, you can just pick whatever

[proven pawn]

i honestly didnt know that

[buoyant harness]

i just need one which i cant collect bc it needs the superposition oscillator

which is impossible to get rn in game for me

[storm imp]

Yeah but I think if you have all harddrives, youll have like 7 or 9 harddrives left over, and no more unlocks to get

[vapid gorge]

You still have enough for all recipes

[buoyant harness]

what do you do with those - other than research?

[frosty owl]

You should delve into time-travelings technology for that, right now ...
Ie: ||changing the clock of your PC can force seasonal events to go off, giving you the needed items||

[buoyant harness]

bc theres not 7 hard drives to research

[storm imp]

Leave them for future updates :)

[buoyant harness]

oh ok

[storm imp]

But keep in mind - as you proceed - to unlock more Tiers, you'll unlock more Alternative Recipes

So once every milestones has been completed, youll end up with - as said, 7-9 left over harddrives if memory serves me well

[buoyant harness]

cheating

wait are there different recipes to unlock on ficsmas?

with hard drives

[frosty owl]

Not via hardrives

[buoyant harness]

ok

[storm imp]

Ficsmas has its own research tree in the MAM

[frosty owl]

||A research tree to research a tree with a tree ||

[timid wren]

~470/min Packed Ionized Fuel should be enough for my drones 😄

Oh fck, i get 2 Fuels back

[civic bronze]

making probably overkill personal factory to clear up green fields and its nodes of my early shenanigans

[oblique hollow]

this looks decent tbh

[civic bronze]

90 wire for when i decide to build a bunch of power storage

[oblique hollow]

10/min motors and 15 modular frames might be much tho out if all of them

[storm imp]

Talking from experience making a Power Storage buffer - Make sure to have plenty of Storage Containers linked together - as you will eat those Wires quickly :)

[timid wren]

You eat wires to make electricity?

[storm imp]

Ofcourse - Unless you run a Wireless diet :)

[timid wren]

There is a Bandwidth/Frequency diet?

[civic bronze]

Any idea if theres something i also could do with 120 copper ore/min im gonna have left from impure node?

[wind spade]

Leave for when you need it

[civic bronze]

Probably never lol, when i somehow run out of copper nodes i will have access to converter

Yeah ill just not worry about it i guess

Downclock the miner to 180

[dark nymph]

Shred it

[civic bronze]

Not worth the points for power imo

Power for points*

[upbeat summit]

question in this flowchart, why are they first producing plastic and then fuel from it? isn't that less efficient power wise

[fierce ruin]

probably don't have the HOR alt recipe

[vapid gorge]

This looks like a mess and is over complicated

What is your goal ?

[upbeat summit]

i just unlocked oil

[vapid gorge]

Go to www.satisfactorytools.com
Plug in what you want to make

[upbeat summit]

wanted to produce power while producing rubber and plastic as the side product as i don't have much need of hem rn

[vapid gorge]

Do it in seperate factories

Keep power and production seperate

[upbeat summit]

while ofc ensuring that i mximize their production as well

[upbeat summit]

ok, while for rubber i think the recipies are quite balanced out in the game, for plastic i think it's a trade off

[vapid gorge]

You need more plastic than rubber early on

[upbeat summit]

wrt residue oil produced, etc etc

[vapid gorge]

Look, if you find a diagram on Reddit? Assume it’s stupid. People put a lot of dumb crap on there

[upbeat summit]

lmao ok

[civic bronze]

The chart looks good tho, like someone drew it by hand in school not paying attention to the teacher 😂

[vapid gorge]

The other thing? Decide your own production and don’t copy them even if it’s ‘good’, you won’t learn 1/10th what you would setting up your own projects

Satisfactorytools.com is a great planner that just gives you the number, you choose your own layout

[upbeat summit]

ok.. fair enough

ok, so there i just input my current production and it will give me what i want as output?

[vapid gorge]

Yup!

I also highly advise doing seperate power and oil products

Plus the resin recipes don’t give you much

The other reason I suggest it is you seem pretty new and a bit overwhelmed so splitting it would help you out

[pastel obsidian]

There are plenty of oil nodes on the map, at the start I would just use the Cude to Rubber / Plastic / Fuel recipe onece you get the hang of it you can go for the more complex factories

[upbeat summit]

but aren't they linked.. like a flowchart....
u produce rubber u get by prod, which then u can use to produce fuel and so on... so i;m confused on when you say that produce power and oil products seperately

[oblique hollow]

thats why most opt to destroy the resin when making fuel for power

[fierce ruin]

yeah i just sink it

[oblique hollow]

and as for getting heavy oil when making rubber and plastic: theres an alt recipe combo that turns that to more rubber and plastic

[fierce ruin]

recycled rubber and recycled plastic my beloved

[oblique hollow]

or, alternatively, one can just turn the heavy oil into coke and sink it

that way you can decouple the 2 sides of oil

[vapid gorge]

Like mcgal said, almost sink the resin

[fierce ruin]

the most i can have is 480/min

could i have double inputs in the manifold?

[pastel obsidian]

whats this for