math-and-meta

[hushed silo]

cathedral goes hard

i get it, pipes need rework or smth like that

[scenic pawn]

yeah i deadass built a single window and thought it looked like a church and i had no other ideas in mind for this one

[scenic pawn]

i mean they work they just sometimes feel really hard to debug

[hushed silo]

post water tower here and watch the salt

[vapid gorge]

there are easy ways to have reliable pipes, if you like you can ask me to help with specific issues you have.

[hushed silo]

chat id like to hear some suggestions on how to make 1425 diamonds/m

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

[ruby current]

I'm debating a speedrun. I'm between games. I enjoy my sleep. Do I start tonight or not?

[wind spade]

you should debate it in just one channel

[plucky tusk]

You mean you don’t speedrun every game?

[split sierra]

spoke too soon

the junction works fine its just that i may have accidentally disconnected the oil pumps half a desert away

i'm rebooting the whole thing now thank god i didnt dismantle the old coal plant

and thats why you build priority power switches and dont postpone builing the control room for "later"

lesson learned

[bleak jungle]

what i am doing wrong with this trail rails.. I get always (No exit point)

Purple is block

and dark red is path signal

[fallow siren]

no u dont need path signal for that

just block signal is enough

[bleak jungle]

where? and why

idk when i use path.. its so weird

[fallow siren]

remove all path signal and replace with block signal

[bleak jungle]

in which scenario i should use

[fallow siren]

also send the full railway network

[bleak jungle]

latest is no exit point

here is fully with colors

[fallow siren]

every block signal will gives signal to next block signal in the path, if theres no connected rail, it will say no exit

[bleak jungle]

but there is a end (station)

i dont have more atm

[fallow siren]

can u send me full network in 2d?

[bleak jungle]

how?

[fallow siren]

so i can see whats wrong

no just draw it or take a pic from scim

[bleak jungle]

here is it the green ones are block signals

[vapid gorge]

is it 2 way rail? like a train going back and forth along the same line?

[bleak jungle]

no, he can drive like this wait

this is the plan later i added to test with no exit point the 2 stations

[vapid gorge]

I would guess either

a) you don't have an engine facing both ways
or
b) you don't have stations facing the right way

or
c) both

[bleak jungle]

i have it all correct... idk what is wrong

[vapid gorge]

show overhead shot of the stations and the train you are using

[bleak jungle]

now i have this issue: wait images floow

[fallow siren]

use 2 rails, no need to overcomplicate things like this

[wind spade]

don't put signals on bidirectional rails

[fallow siren]

just make it like this

[fallow siren]

also if its just 1 train, signals arent needed

[bleak jungle]

later its more than one train

[fallow siren]

u dont want to add more trains with just 1 railway

[bleak jungle]

i rebuild my fully map rn thats it but i hate the signals.. i dont undertstand it

[vapid gorge]

your station is facing the wrong way here

and you don't have 2 engines

[bleak jungle]

no? its driving out

[fallow siren]

u wont face this problem if you just build normal railway network

[wind spade]

it needs to arrive in the station direction

[vapid gorge]

yeah but to come back it needs to face the other way

[bleak jungle]

why this? i drive only in one direction? from one to other

[fallow siren]

2 engine needed if u want to go back and forth

[vapid gorge]

because trains will repeat their instructions

[fallow siren]

train can only go one direction

[bleak jungle]

i want from this to this first.

[vapid gorge]

it needs to be able to return to destination.

otherwise the instructions are broken

[bleak jungle]

ok ok

fixed thx but for what are path signals then here? i see a screenshot who other use path signals

in same what i build here

[vapid gorge]

just use block. You don't need path signals

[fallow siren]

u hardly need path signals

[vapid gorge]

*never

you can use them ofc but you never need them

[bleak jungle]

uhm ok why? i see a lot of stuff with path

signals

[vapid gorge]

because you can build great and functional rail system using only block

path signals is to do weird advanced things you don't need.

what you need here is just block

[bleak jungle]

hm i want to build things like this: later

[vapid gorge]

this just needs block

[bleak jungle]

and here i need path so that is what i want to understand howw

bro here are user using path

[vapid gorge]

ok? you can still do that with block

[wind spade]

the biggest problem of following a tutorial is that people think anything else is wrong

hence why I don't recommend watching tutorials and rather learning the mechanics

[vapid gorge]

is it path in, block out @wind spade ? I can never remember

[wind spade]

it is "block everywhere, path only if you know what you're doing and need a lot of throughput" 😄

but yeah, path in block out is often said as a recommendation

[bleak jungle]

so where i use path?

[vapid gorge]

ta, can never remember

not in your current example

[wind spade]

if you need multiple trains to enter same block but not share path
or if you need a train to not stop in next block

[vapid gorge]

in this? nowhere ?

[bleak jungle]

but where then? bro i ask where? i want to know

[vapid gorge]

at intersections? if you really want to

not here

[bleak jungle]

i found this. but how it is working with path and block here?

its soo hard to understand, when one in circle then path is block everywhere?

[vapid gorge]

'path in block out'

[fallow siren]

its simple, add path signal everytime u enter junction, and add block signal whenever u exit the junction

[wind spade]

(also, don't make roundabouts)

[remote flame]

To back up what greeny said (and please correct me if this is wrong as I myself still bugger up the odd signal in some complicated junctions I've done and accept when green lights come on bwahaha)

When you understand the distinct difference between block and path signals, a round about has one major flaw that a simple T junction or x junction does not have.

Suppose using that image above, your train comes in on the western (left hand) side and wants to turn left. To do that, it crosses the path of the southern and eastern rail lines, so it reserves a 'path' inside the 'block' that won't allow trains to enter that intersect this path. (A path is like a line drawn from source to destination inside this block, a train may enter the same block (aka the round about) as long as it does not cross paths with this line.)

Because most round about designs are quite bulky, it stalls the trains on the southern and eastern rails for quite some time before completing the full left turn.

A crossroad design where tracks cross over one another, is the same principle as a roundabout with how to set up the signals, and is far smaller (and hence quicker) for trains to enter/exit, increasing its throughout potential whilst still behaving accordingly.

I won't say to not do round abouts as they are an elegant solution, but it can become far more congested if multiple trains need to make long turns occupying the whole round about. Idk just my opinion anyway haha

[north mauve]

Boooo

[wind spade]

yeah they are kinda scary how everyone uses them without thinking 😛

[north mauve]

Mine are perfect and elegant and my trains run smoothly

[wind spade]

why build a roundabout when you can just make a normal T/X junction

same space, more efficiency

[north mauve]

Because they're prettier

[wind spade]

hard disagree

[north mauve]

I mean

[wind spade]

train roundabouts are super unrealistic

[north mauve]

It's subjective so your opinion doesn't matter in my world

[vapid gorge]

they are bigger and less efficient. It's fine to like them but those are objective facts

[north mauve]

Mine aren't bigger

[vapid gorge]

generally people will never have enough trains to really care about the lack of efficiency

bigger than normal junctions

[wind spade]

they can't be smaller than X junction, most often they are bigger

[north mauve]

"most often" ??? All mine are exactly the same size.

[vapid gorge]

and definitively bigger than my stacked junctions

[wind spade]

same size as?

[north mauve]

7 foundation diameter

[remote flame]

So the post I just made are the facts, but both solutions work. I might actually try some research on how much traffic difference each method can cope with before one prevails king over the other!

[vapid gorge]

T and X junctions are much smaller than that

[north mauve]

That's huge!

[wind spade]

you can fit X junction into like 7x7 foundation square

looks like even 6x6

[vapid gorge]

the circled bit is the actual junction

[north mauve]

I honestly don't know what I'm looking at here

[wind spade]

this is smaller than any roundabout that you can build

[vapid gorge]

just a T junction for this track

it's extremely compact and has a small footprint

[north mauve]

That's a wildly different design

[north mauve]

That looks impossible to path signal the inside, no?

[vapid gorge]

actually the way stacked rail works is almost exactly like parallel track

[wind spade]

you don't need path signals inside tho

[vapid gorge]

it just uses vertical space

[north mauve]

So four trains can show up and all turn right at the same time with no path signals here?

[wind spade]

with just path singnals at entrances, yes

but compared to a roundabout, you can also have two opposite trains turning left at the same time

[north mauve]

Well yeah my roundabouts don't allow turning left at all

Just three right

[wind spade]

well yeah by "turn left" I mean "go through the junction so that it ends up exiting via the left track"

[north mauve]

Regardless I find their design elegant and simple. I do not find it an eye sore. Cross junction look hideous the way all the rail overlap and clip

[wind spade]

as long as you don't need the throughput 🤷

but they have worst throughput from all the junctions out there

[north mauve]

Almost no one needs the throughput

[wind spade]

if you have a lot of them, the effect stacks

[north mauve]

I have 20 locomotives and I haven't ran into any throughout issues.

Yeah define a lot though? I'm not at it

[wind spade]

(also depends how much they can prolong their journey)

[north mauve]

Often there's no slowdown at all

[wind spade]

if you have a train that takes 2 min roundtrip but only need a train every 4 minutes, obviously slowdowns won't matter to you

[crimson moat]

why doesn't this work? Everything is selected

[wind spade]

need to input waste

[dusk ferry]

do you guys think this would be a sufficient long term iron factory for all the basic stuff? (tossed in the iron rebar for my iron gun thing)

[hushed silo]

for basic needs or for future manufacturing too

if its just for personal thing and building

then 120/m of each is an overkill realy

30 is fine for it realy since most of the time you will not be using it, allowing it to back up in storage

but that ofc depends on how quickly u want to expand and stuff

[dusk ferry]

mostly for personaly storage / crafting / building ect.

[hushed silo]

u will be fine

[dusk ferry]

i make stuff i need like screws and pipes at the factories for other stuff anyway

this is going into a depot for me to just quickly grab them

[hushed silo]

u can prolly turn some of that production into more advanced items like mod frames and rotors, motors etc

[dusk ferry]

i have seperate factories for those

well for rotors, frames, and reinforced plates so far, not one for motors yet

[hushed silo]

well then

120/m for basic stuff is multiplayer quantity

[dusk ferry]

oh i forgot ill also be pumping everything extra after the storage is full into a sink, so 120/m of those going into my sink along with my excess rotors and frames ect

[hushed silo]

yea alot of that will be going into sink

[fallow siren]

120/min is overkill, just 20-30/min each is enough and store them into storage containers as buffer

and u dont use screw for building materials except awesome shop

[dusk ferry]

well i was using the extra to pump into my sink

[dusk ferry]

hey math guys, if i have a line of 180 items coming in, how many splitters / mergers do i need to make it so it turns into one 120 line and one 60 line

wait nvm

[outer vale]

1 splitter, optionally 1 merger

[dusk ferry]

180 into a splitter = 60 per line so then just merge back 2 lines for 120

i think

[outer vale]

yup. Or you just let it self-balance

[dusk ferry]

well i have to send 60 in a different direction

[outer vale]

personally I'd just do the split+merge like you said. But I know people like to evangelise manifolds and letting things solve themselves

[fervent thicket]

any suggestions to improve this?

[vapid gorge]

it'll still self balance with 1 splitter

[hushed silo]

if u wanna do screws the best way is from steel rod if u wanna save on iron and use a bit more coal
u can do copper ingots from caterium and copper mix aswell
personaly wouldnt do quickwire stators but i can see why u did that
also there is no need to automate automated wiring, unless u wanna sink project parts later on

[wind spade]

honestly I can't really see what's going on in there

[fervent thicket]

i think im too far into it to not automate the thing

[hushed silo]

if u wanna sink em thats valid
if u trynna just complete the project box feeding is way easier

[north mauve]

also there is no need to automate automated wiring, unless u wanna sink project parts later on
Boo, all space elevator parts should be automated. Every single one is needed for later on, and they produce a lot of coupons.

Personally I find "making exactly enough for the elevator" to be a very lazy way. There's no reason to not fully automate it all. Nodes are infinite.

[plucky tusk]

Yeah nut I’m not gonna rely on my shitty mk1 smart plating the whole game

[north mauve]

5 s plate/min is enough to produce the final item in a 100% manu

In other words, one 100% manu of the alt recipe for smart plating (with plastic) is enough for the final item. Very, very easy math.

Kinda nuts that something so early can be setup for the end game

If I ever start a new save, I'll plan ahead and have a target final item/min and make each tiered piece in enough amounts that I only have to think about it once as early as possible

[hushed silo]

exactly, no reason to autoamte even

[fervent thicket]

wait so automated wiring doesn’t need to be automated?

i can still remove it because i’m lazy

[wind spade]

technically nothing needs to be automated

but space elevator items give a good chunk of sink points

[thick plank]

thats true, but its also a valid strategy to just put some dedicated machienes down whenever you need a specific part for the lift and then just fill it manually

[plucky tusk]

I usually just sloop the parts

[north mauve]

Game is easy and casual enough, no reason to not go through the minimal amount of extra effort to automate spelevator parts

[minor seal]

Just 1 splitter, no mergers if you want a more compact method, have one splitter with a mk1 conveyor, it’ll only take out 60 per min and then you have a 120 line coming out the other output!

[idle badger]

@fallow vector Soooo I've come to the conclusion that the planet of Massage AB-b is a fake, not anything CSS has done, but in the world of Satisfactory it is.... unless its core is made of a SUPER dense element making the density incredibly high. I did the math and its weird to say the least... Buckle up. This photo is from the 1.0 trailer and it got me thinking after rewatching it recently... The red line is 7km long (Approx. given usage of the save editor/calculator site) and given the scale of the entire satisfactory map as the island in the middle, the planet is TINY. First hints were that the pioneer can run across it in mere minutes. Now also given that the gravity is almost exactly half that of earth, it being small is expected, but this is TINY... Its estimated circumference is 2200km. (For scale, Sweden from the most northern tip to the southern is about 1,572km) I calculated the gravity by conducting terminal velocity tests falling from 1km. Also with that information, I was able to estimate the thickness of the atmosphere to be around 7km, so its not only tiny and dense at the core, its also has a thin and dense atmosphere, much more than Earths. (Approx 7.4km to be exact). Also explains the need for the pioneer suit to protect against the immense atmospheric pressure. But with those calculations done, I could move on to how dense the planet is approximately. The estimated density of the planet would need to be approximately 50,130kg/m^3 to have half earths gravity given its size. This density is significantly higher than literally anything natural I have researched so far. Earth's average density about 5,500kg/m^3 for a reference. This absolutely proves that such a planet would have to be composed of unusually dense materials... so I've determined that the planet is non natural. The best thing I have settled on is that it was created and is artificial. Possibly created by a species that is so advanced, they can create worlds and possibly more. Would also explain the somersloops and mercer spheres being so unnatural as well. I ran my calculations myself then proofed them with an AI so I know the numbers are accurate. Also from that photo, the rocky desert appears to be true north. Still have yet to determine magnetic north. Also working on creating a function solar system simulation model that is true to the game and one that is true to how it would work if it were real. (because 45 minute days and 15 minute nights just dont work with both stars being 180 degrees from one another in the sky at all times) In conclusion, Massage 2AB-b has the surface area closest to the country of Mongolia.

[wind spade]

or SAM is super dense

[idle badger]

Thats a really good point. I wonder if there are any references to its weight. I know the trains have listed weights for full vs empty (11 ton vs 16ton) but its the same no matter what youre carrying.

[wind spade]

there's many things that we don't have in our universe (e.g. caterium), so there's many unknown variables 🙂

[idle badger]

Yeah its what makes it tough and worth the challenge XD As an electrical engineer, I do love a good math challenge.

[winter dirge]

i have a (maybe) new meta

T H E T I M E O F D A Y

so like i use skyUI and i like to pause time

but i found that there are four times i use

7:00, 12:00, 17:00 and 24:00

7:00 and 17:00 are very pretty but kinda dark

and then night (24:00) and day (12:00)

are just night and day

so 17:00 looks like this

and 7:00 looks like this

of course you have night (24:00 or 00:00)

and just daytime (12:00)

And fog is turned up at some times in some places

[split sierra]

is the output distribution cool for my first factory? i wanted to build it in the east swamp area and that pretty much taps every node in that area for 250% mk2 miners

[open patrol]

fuel/fabric/rubber/plastic

[split sierra]

looks good but i have a question, is the fabric refinery always on and the excess gets sinked?

[languid ember]

Needs recycled plastic/recycled rubber loop!

[split sierra]

Depends on the needs but yeah it’s still funny that the best way to make plastic is by using rubber

[open patrol]

in this case, the fabric i'm using for filters. and sinking excess. the plastic and rubber is currently just waste product being sent to another factory's machines to be added to the full recycle loop. (this fuel is used for a 20GW fuel power plant). i did these wacky ratios because i would've ran out of water to feed the residual rubber system

[still schooner]

anybody knows how can i split 2 into 11?

[wind spade]

merge -> manifold

[still schooner]

i cant merge

[wind spade]

two manifolds and merge last machine (or two manifolds of 6 machines, last underclocked to 50%)

[still schooner]

how can i draw stuff here?

[still schooner]

?

[wind spade]

you have two inputs, so each input goes to 6 machines, but one of them is underclocked to 50%

[still schooner]

how are you doing this?

like drowing

[wind spade]

paint

[still schooner]

where

[wind spade]

windows?

[still schooner]

oh

ok

[hushed silo]

originaly i didnt wanna comment but u realy need alot of water for oil related stuff

[open patrol]

Yuh

Residual rubber, diluted fuel, and recycled loop

Drinking enough water to irrigate the arizona desert

[split sierra]

idk what possesed me to build my turbo fuel factory in the middle of the desert

i ended up skipping the diluted fuel step for the water and the limited sulfur nearby

[hushed silo]

damn right

[green dust]

I am sinking 1 ballistic warp drive /m among many other stuff like plutonium fuel rods, nuclear pasta, packaged ionized fuel.... how long do you think it will take to get 1k coupons? is it ni the hours time frame or more like DAYS?

[plucky tusk]

DNA points might help

Sloop the remains and protein for 4x

Go on a lil killing spree

50 remains turn into 200 dna capsules that’s like 200k points

[wind spade]

@plucky tusk don't worry, I don't like windows either 🙂

[north mauve]

Sloop your BWD and then sink 2/min!

It might be a while. Just play the game.

[green dust]

IT IS ALREADY SLOOPED😭😭😭😭

[north mauve]

Oh. Well, I managed to get my golden nut in phase 4.

[wooden jasper]

make a Prime Splitter array. Split input as if you were doing 12 machines, then merge the twelfth output back into the original belt

less uptime than a manifold but still plan on using faster belts than you need to sort the materials out quicker

[brave wing]

whats the site for this kind of planner?

[vapid gorge]

it's a terrible program on steam. It's only popular because it's there and has terrible user interface and function

[brave wing]

oh ok because it kinda looks good for the GUI

[vapid gorge]

you have to do every bit manualy, you can't make a sweeping change that will just alter the whole chain

can't save and share links. It's just real bad

[brave wing]

ok so its really bad

gotcha

[vapid gorge]

I think the only reason some peopel use it is because satisfactory tools has a small learning curve

[bleak jungle]

Where should i place which signals? Block or Path can one help me there? i came from red arrow. can drive in each sttation

[wind spade]

99.9% of setups only need block signals

[bleak jungle]

for what path?

[night tendon]

Path for junctions and Block for straits

[oblique hollow]

every station must have a block signal at the entrance because path signals arent allowed to lead directly into stations

[bleak jungle]

ok

[oblique hollow]

the rest is pretty optional

[bleak jungle]

is there a possible way to copy complex things

i dont want to rebuild each

[oblique hollow]

such as rails? no, not really

[bleak jungle]

no not that

[oblique hollow]

Well for everything else theres Blueprint Designers Mk 1 to 3

[bleak jungle]

need this 4x but i cant use blueprint builder. its not that good for it.

[oblique hollow]

your only option is the blueprint designer

unless you try mods.
but even those wont help much

[bleak jungle]

can i copy the current build into designer?

[wind spade]

only by hand

[bleak jungle]

i dont get the monitors so rotated again

[oblique hollow]

no its not designed for copy-pasting stuff into it or for building it around existing stuff

[bleak jungle]

kk

[oblique hollow]

why not?
do the signs not save correctly?

[bleak jungle]

i have rotate with "H"

and that was hard work xdd

[oblique hollow]

did you rebind your keys?

[bleak jungle]

no

[oblique hollow]

usually H is for locking and nudging

[bleak jungle]

i use nudging

to rotate perfectly

[oblique hollow]

well you can use nudge in the designer

[bleak jungle]

oh ok

[oblique hollow]

you can use all normal building tricks inside the designer too

[bleak jungle]

ok

[oblique hollow]

you can color stuff, change materials, rotate, clip, snap to and all the other stuff

[twin imp]

would this sort of thing work to pump oil up at it's maximum rate?

[plucky tusk]

Pipeline pumps lol

[split sierra]

What

[wind spade]

don't do water towers, loop pipes and have isolated systems instead of all merged

[oblique hollow]

mixing 600/min pipelines and watertowers doesnt work out well at all
Keep it seperate. Mk 2 Pipes do not like it at all when you tell em "go figure it out yourself"

[plucky tusk]

IMO just stop pumping fluids up just bring items down

Stop maxing out pipes

If you do end up piping fluids up for whatever reason. Use horizontal to vertical build mode and use pumps

And make sure pump is closer to the bottom bc gravity is in fact a real thing

[north mauve]

Hold on I thought Ficsonium was hard

It's literally just DMR and cells??

That's trivial. Just like the rest of phase 5.

Oh, right, Ficsonium Fuel Rods. Still though that's just ECRs which I ended up making way too much of, excited photonic matter which is literally free, and then trigons which are also fairly trivial

[oblique hollow]

The cells are the annoying part.
And so is the extra 100/min Ficsite tris for the fuel rods

its not that its difficult

its just too expensive to seem worth it

50 bajillion copper to gain sustainable Plutonium power.
You already have to do quite a bit to even process uranium into plutonium

[north mauve]

Sure, it's barely worth it. But processing uranium waste looks 10x harder.

[oblique hollow]

Even if it might seem fair on paper, for the amount of effort you put in it does seem pointless

plutonium and ficsonium together technically make up 75% more power over just uranium
(to be clear: uranium is the baseline power output of 100%. with plutonium is 150% base power. and with ficsonium added on top its 175%)
But its also a lot more effort than just doubling nuclear

each step in the chain makes half as much power as the step before it (if you generalize and dont really look into alts or sloop stuff)

[north mauve]

Nuclear pasta is probably the hardest part of the entire Ficsonium fuel rod line

[oblique hollow]

yes. Its slow and guzzles copper like Turbofuel guzzles sulfur

and then of course theres the entire chain of MF > HMF > FMF > PCC

[hard tendon]

nuclear pasta is cool though, making 18/min

but cubes are pain

[patent blaze]

That stack of belts

All you had to do was rotate the machines 90 degrees lmao

[hard tendon]

i was following the rule of cool

[patent blaze]

It is pretty sick ngl

[hard tendon]

i wanted 18 belts side by side

fav place in my save atm

copper was the easy part though

[north mauve]

So big. I built up.

I'm only making 8 though

[plucky tusk]

Rule of cool is the best

[bleak jungle]

should i do this so? with my train station? can one help?

[quartz imp]

is turning all my iron to steel to use the steel recipes worth?

[opaque quartz]

You need both iron and steel throughout the rest of the game

One does not replace the other

[north mauve]

Is that a path signal at the very end between purple and train station? You don't need that. Also you have one between pink and purple and pink and grey. One of those is redundant due to the other.

[fervent thicket]

is this layout ok?

any suggestions or improvements

[hushed silo]

🗿

i think the worst part is shit ton of trigons

[hushed silo]

bro turned the spicy dune desert into italian ristorante

[hushed silo]

once u have diluted fuel change to blend or basic turbo

normal turbo is better when u have sulfur to cover up

[plucky tusk]

Nitro rocket and have turbo as a residual 😈

[hushed silo]

nitro rocket is some lazy stuff

mix of blend and turbo into rocket is peak

[fervent thicket]

but if this works out, won’t it better to just stick to it as it is

the power generation should be enough right

[hushed silo]

for a time yea

can someone tell me rn what is copper and iron ore use when tryna make 100 ingots of each with alloys alts?

[fossil galleon]

need some help froma pipe expert

[fierce ruin]

If I want to produce modular frames at a clock frequency of 167 and reinforced sheets ask for 5.01, is that relevant for a constant 100% efficiency?

[fossil galleon]

I've got 10 refineries producing 60 HOR/min, and the pipe connected is constantly flowing with 600 HOR/min. I have the pipe connected to blenders making diluted fuel, 6 blenders taking 100 HOR/min each. Yet one is working at about 80% efficiency. any ideas?

none of the refineries producing HOR is at less than 100% efficiency

and there's no fluctuation in flow in the pipe either, it's always 600

[gloomy bridge]

Make sure the pipe that supplies the oil goes above the main level of the outlets into the machines. Like at least 4 or 5 meters above, so that it always goes into the machines at 100% all the time.

[wind spade]

loop the pipe

[fossil galleon]

there's no problems with oil supply though, the refineries are running at 100% efficiency

the blenders are the problem

[fossil galleon]

loop how?

[amber umbra]

You need to build pipes in specific ways to get 600 fluid/minute. It’s a special pipe feature that isn’t a thing for 300 fluid/minute.

[wind spade]

it's a thing for all pipe manifolds

[gloomy bridge]

Water mechanics in SF are really like those in the real world, you need to have the water falling into the machines to keep the numbers high.

[fossil galleon]

oh wow, why am I learning about this just now

[amber umbra]

“isn’t a thing that occurs for most players for most pipe setups for 300 fluid/min” yeesh

[fossil galleon]

is hammering also a thing?

[fossil galleon]

interesting

I'll try that

[gloomy bridge]

Yes, which is why the loop will fix that.

[wind spade]

yes (except for bursting pipes, that doesn't happen)

[fossil galleon]

that's so cool

thanks guys

[gloomy bridge]

np, hope all this helps.

[fossil galleon]

how about outputs, nothing special needed there?

this is fine?

[wind spade]

not much, just in general make fluids flow down

but if things work, no need to change them

[amber umbra]

The other workaround for the pipe feature is splitting up production lines to keep pipe flow below ~590 fluid/minute. lets you avoid looping pipes if you prefer.

[gloomy bridge]

Looks good, but I like to keep the pipes shorter. The less length, the less they have to flow.

[wind spade]

I've seen setups that weren't able to even reach 550

[fossil galleon]

that's because of the looks 😂

[wind spade]

I don't think there's a fixed number that is guaranteed to wrok

so just loop the pipe and be happy 🙂

[hushed silo]

tried it once, didnt solve the issue at all, never touching again

[fossil galleon]

this is why

[wind spade]

it's not "solve all issues", it's "solve some issues, you still need to build rest of pipes well"

[gloomy bridge]

Looking good. Nice work.

[fossil galleon]

thanks!

[hushed silo]

fixed this part specificaly and it worked perfectly

[wind spade]

you said "didn't solve the issue at all" before 🤔

[hushed silo]

yea

i did it my way

ur made me run into same issue

if u didnt get it

[fossil galleon]

seems hard to make the pipe loops work when you have 3 pipes feeding into 6 machines

2 water, 1 HOR

seems like it would be a logistical nightmare

[hard tendon]

i feel your pain

[fossil galleon]

it's even worse when you're a freak who cares about looks

like me

[hard tendon]

saying what i have is ugly? 😢

[fossil galleon]

absolutely not haha

I'm talking about fitting something like that in a limited amout of space

[hard tendon]

yeah, im glad space isnt a limiting factor for me, that would be even worse

[wind spade]

that makes me feel like there's another issue waiting to happen with your setup. Loops always help or at worst do nothing, they never hurt

[fossil galleon]

kinda dug my own grave with this one, but it'll be fiine

[hard tendon]

looks really cool though

[fossil galleon]

right?

[hard tendon]

you could try this as well

[fossil galleon]

yep, I'll see what I can come up with

[hard tendon]

anyone know why i cant sink my ballistic warp drives?

[vapid gorge]

Another item is stuck in front of it or you don’t have power

[hard tendon]

rebuilt the sink and now it works

[vapid gorge]

Or not actually connected

[hard tendon]

had power and nothing on belt, seemed to be an issue with the sink itself

spike in p/m was pretty spicy when machines drained again

🙏

back to reality now though

[scenic pawn]

does using smart splitters set to overflow on a max capacity belt work for load balancing

e.g. 270 + 270 --> 480 + 60

[wind spade]

sometimes yes, sometimes no

why do you even want to load balance?

[unborn dome]

[oblique hollow]

average floating point error:

[wind spade]

yeah, someone really needs to teach computers how to store floating point numbers properly

[vapid gorge]

ok lets use this image

the top recipe is per cycle

1 iron ore produces 1 iron ingot. Takes 2 seconds

so the whole recipe is 1 ore

in 1 cycle

[opaque blaze]

ok

[vapid gorge]

the Basic Iron Ingot recipe is 5 Iron + 8 limestone in one cycle and THAT will produce 10 ingots in 1 lump

now the first recipe? 1 ingot per cycle but manages 30 ingots per min right?
that doesn't mean the second recipe that does 10 ingots in a lump does 300 per min because each cycle has a different time it takes

[opaque blaze]

riiiiight, ok

[vapid gorge]

think of them as a 'batch'

you use 2 eggs and 4 cups of flour to make 1 cake. How long does that cake take to make? is it going to be longer than a different recipe to make 1 cake with different ingredients?

imo looking at the cycle or batch incredients, like 5 iron + 8 limestone, is good to compare efficiencies of different resources for output

[opaque blaze]

right

[vapid gorge]

while the per minute values of each item are good for planning systems since it becomes a universal unit. Everything can work off of per minute

so once you've decided on your recipes you can basically ignore the resources per cycle, and just look at resources per min

it seems like you pretty much got it, anything you feel needs clarifying ?

[opaque blaze]

this is esentially where I skipped to when looking at the alts generally

[vapid gorge]

ah well that's totally a thing you can do if you don't care about resource efficiency. And early on it's not as big a deal

[opaque blaze]

I will have to re examine the stuff more closely, thanks for the info 🥂

[vapid gorge]

no stress 🙂

[opaque blaze]

Yeah, i am really ealry in, i JUST got coal going

[vapid gorge]

but yeah I tend to not care about efficiencies much when I'm just going up the tiers. If the factories aren't permanent I just do whatever uses the most convenient resources

[vapid gorge]

ah so you finished the pretutorial 😛

[opaque blaze]

Yeah, JUST starting to make somthing more permanant now that I finally have some walls and pipe passthroughs, etc. Plus the POWER to runn it all without becoming a human lawnmower, lol.

[vapid gorge]

imo, aim to find a spot with 3-4 coal nodes next to water and jsut build as much coal power as your belts will allow. And keep expanding when you get new belts

you'll need it

[opaque blaze]

would be sick if the carts worked as a mower/mulcher as well, haha.

[vapid gorge]

and from how I see it tiers 1-9 are just to get you up to speed to do your own goals 🙂

[opaque blaze]

yeah i set up 10 coal gennys, using 4 currently but can bring the rest online any time. just trying to finish off the research tree real quick, then gonna really get after making some big as factories. 🙂

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

some convenient layouts for early coal.
the 3 extractors to 8 gens work perfectly

and mk2 belts will feed 8 gens too

[hallow ivy]

Can someone help explain to me how resource requirements for foundry's/constructors/smelters? I have 1 mkr 3 belt with a constant 270 items running through it but say a foundry requires 45 coal per minute. This int heory is supposed to only support 6 foundry's. But I have 8 foundry's using that one lane. The foundry is constantly full of coal and iron.

[opaque blaze]

cool, thanks for the info. cheers 🙂

[vapid gorge]

as requested - post overhead shots of your system. Something isn't working right

[vapid gorge]

ok the answer is 'who knows' that's a mess and things are going everywhere

I see at least 1 yellow light so some of the machines are starving

[wind spade]

or full

[vapid gorge]

or full yeah.

[hallow ivy]

So the math is supposed to math but I just don't have it done efficiently?

[vapid gorge]

if the outputs aren't getting used they'll also stall and not use more items

[vapid gorge]

well from the previous mentino you' overbuilt foundries.
you said you could only feed 6 but you have 7 with over clock? if that's the case they will work sporadically and if you aren't using the outputs eventually fill up

so there is no physical way you could feed 7+ foundries in a stable way

[hallow ivy]

Ahhhh okay got it. I am actually trying to make things work. MAkes allot more sense now

[vapid gorge]

I woudln't stress out about it too much. the whole game is a bit of a tutorial to get you to the point of making your own projects. Just build and learn 🙂

making thigns more tidy will help you though as it'll be easier to keep track of what you're doing

[hallow ivy]

1 270 belt of iron plates to make screws. o7

18 constructors for iron rods to make 27 constructors of screws. 270 o7

[fallow siren]

use signs to keep track in your factory

it helps a lot

[hallow ivy]

Oh I am getting to that! Using signs for which machines are for what. Which are free ect. Ty tho!

[plucky tusk]

unreal

[plucky tusk]

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[plucky tusk]

^

🙏

[crimson moat]

@vapid gorge

the reason for this is because there's a pipe left of the red one, which has less water in it.

so they equalise

[wanton torrent]

For learning pipe mechanics should I just watch videos online about fluid dynamics in physics or is there imporrant stuff to know

[vapid gorge]

mostly keep it simple. A lot of stuff on youtube suggests unreliable fluid options

For example these are some basic rules for simple reliable piping. The rules are flexible but you need to know how to bend them #math-and-meta message

[plucky tusk]

just pay attention to these channels for a few days youll quickly learn what not to do and see what to do

its painfully easy tbh. most of the stuff in this game is

mostly just user error

[wanton torrent]

Thanks, ive played the game for a long time (never finished but hit train tier on multiple saves) but only recently figured out efficiency theough resources like this discord so its been more fun on satisfactory recently

[hushed silo]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/satisfactory_gamepedia_en/images/3/39/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

^ u can read this

[wind spade]

this setup is not recommended to use

[hushed silo]

this game doesnt have pressure aka it doesnt matter how much water is stored above, it only matters whats the head lift and flow rate is

also prefilling systems generaly help with some issues

also

feed systems from above and even split to the middle of it or from both sides

it should prevent issues occuring even tho getting fluids upward is somewhat pain, if only we had easy method to do so...

also dont believe everything* you read, try what works for you and your system, eventualy you will figure it out

[thick plank]

What I found works for all my fluid machienes: After constructing em, I sacrifice some incense to the omnissaia, build walls around it and never look inside

[vapid gorge]

The pipe manual that was linked to you is more of a record of what are possible fluid mechanics that can happen

In general you never need to use any of the junctions or gadgets as they are less reliable than simpler options.

Even the water tower example

[thick plank]

In general you should follow KISS

The more complicated you go, the more chance for game to start acting strange. Oh and if theres a large ammount of fluid moving through the same pipe network (for example fuel in a powerplant) id advice you preflood the entire system before turning it on and including a fluid storage at the point furthest from the injection point

[hushed silo]

is this how to make silica chat

[oblique hollow]

certainly not

[hushed silo]

why not

[oblique hollow]

sacrifices aluminum for silica.
Generally a subpar deal

[hushed silo]

the sacrifice is

3400 aluminum ingots for 8.5k silica

with all nodes tapped when pure

[oblique hollow]

also how tf do you have 20400 bauxite

that much doesnt exist on the map

[hushed silo]

all pure nodes

[oblique hollow]

theres 6 of them

[hushed silo]

all nodes are pure, its a mod

[oblique hollow]

ah. Then just say that

[hushed silo]

essentialy with this,
1200 bauxite goes into 1000 ingots and 500 silica

[oblique hollow]

thats still all of the maps bauxite for a weak silica amount

[hushed silo]

with sloppy alumina i got 1200 bauxite into 1200 ingots

ig its weak but saves up on quartz

that was my main goal realy

[oblique hollow]

if you tap all the quartz nodes you get 34000 silica
with the basic recipe and all nodes as pure

so better question:
what are you saving up for

[hushed silo]

power shards ofc

but realy i wanted to see how nonsensical can aluminum factory get

[oblique hollow]

do you need 50 billion/min power shards?
for.... ionized fuel?

[hushed silo]

not realy

[oblique hollow]

Then this was really just a "how odd can i make aluminum / silica production" case.
Because everything else wouldnt make sense

[hushed silo]

whats so odd about it

[oblique hollow]

you said it yourself

i wouldnt call it nonsensical but odd

[hushed silo]

how would you do aluminum

[oblique hollow]

lets just say differently

[hushed silo]

which recipies

[plucky tusk]

Whatever the blender recipe is 😈

Instant scrap

Then it’s like a 2 step bauxite refinement

[thick plank]

turn on creative, spend 24 hours just spamming out aluminum conveyors, switch to normal, e viola

[plucky tusk]

Why would i spend hours on bauxite refinement when you can just throw it all in a blender and call it a day

[hard tendon]

doesnt work if you need all the aluminium

also sulfuric is cringe

[thick plank]

I guess because the different way is more efficient. And because the entire game is built around spending time building factories. But you do what makes ya happy, aint no way I can stop you anyways

[hard tendon]

or is instant scrap just as efficient as sloppy (only considering bauxite)

[plucky tusk]

It’s like 15 bauxite to 30 scrap

[oblique hollow]

sloppy + electrode is equal in efficiency to instant scrap

the only difference is one uses coke and water and the other uses coal and sulfur and water

and the refinery based ones have an annoying water loop

[hard tendon]

i prefer coke ❄️
jk, the water loop isnt really too bad to deal with, you could just dump all the excess water into wet concrete and not have a loop

[plucky tusk]

Efficiency? Idk funny? Yes

[thick plank]

i mean the water loop thing isnt too bad. As long as you dont overload the water input you should be fine

[hard tendon]

blenders are also 2x cooler than refineries

[oblique hollow]

this is a topic that i wont get into today because for some it is hell

[plucky tusk]

Pile of blenders will do a lot

[thick plank]

i shouldnt be using those words, sorry

[hard tendon]

i think im mostly biased after building 400 refineries and only 50 blenders in one factory

[thick plank]

gotta be honest now, I really dont like the looks of a blender

for me the refinery is peak satisfactory

[hard tendon]

but the cool animation on top

[thick plank]

i find that one silly actually

I am just extremely biased for refineries

feels more grounded to me tbh

[hard tendon]

is refinery also fav building in game?

[plucky tusk]

Says here instant scrap gives the most

[hard tendon]

thats not using the sloppy alumina recipe though

[wind spade]

This is pointless to look at

[plucky tusk]

🤓

Nah ur prolly right it doesn’t show sloppy

Id have to look into it later but I don’t think you get that much less with instant scrap

[hushed silo]

good thing about instant scrap is that it requires the least ammount of water

[oblique hollow]

and has the cleanest cylce, but now im repeating myself

[hushed silo]

they arent

they are a pain to set up

[hard tendon]

They are pain, but blueprints help

[hushed silo]

most i could fit into one blueprint is 12

but guuuuh i still hate it

double fluid double item

[plucky tusk]

Looks like 150-300 with blender and 150-480 with other

So idk do what you want ig

[robust notch]

its been loading like this for 10 minutes and im not even done lol

[wind spade]

if you used SFTools, you'd get the response in two seconds

[wanton torrent]

Just do it by hand lol

[robust notch]

Bet

[wind spade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production 🙂

[robust notch]

Thx

Wait nvm

I was using this until I switched to modeler

Cause it was overusing all of my copper

Is there another alternative?

[wind spade]

wdym overusing?

[robust notch]

I make factories different from others

[wind spade]

not sure what do you mean, can you give me an example?

[robust notch]

I don't use a limited amount of resources

The factory I'm making rn has all the production for phase 3 and 4

[wind spade]

you can do that with Tools as well

[robust notch]

Yeah but tools doesn't let you select what specific recipes you want to use

[wind spade]

it does, with "recipes" tab

[robust notch]

That's just alternate reciles

[wind spade]

base recipes are there as well

[robust notch]

It's just goes with he most efficient route

That's not always what I want

[wind spade]

then enable only the recipe you want

[robust notch]

Why would I make half of my circuit boards with caterium and the other half normal

[robust notch]

Can you disable base recipes?

[wind spade]

yes, in the recipes tab

[robust notch]

Did not know that

Thx

[wind spade]

idk, Tools probably had a reason for it - if you share the production line, I can tell you more

[wanton torrent]

Or you could do it by hand 🗿

[wind spade]

I doubt anyone would want to do the calculations that Tools do by hand

[still schooner]

how can i split 11 to 27?

[wind spade]

wdym by that? like 11 belts?

[still schooner]

yeah

[wind spade]

why do you need that?

at that point I would just make each belt separate and use what is on that belt

if you have a belt with 600/min on it, connect it to machines that use 600/min

[still schooner]

i make 810 and each one consumes 30/m

[wind spade]

how much does each belt have?

[still schooner]

my max blet is 270

[wind spade]

so where's the 11 coming from?

[still schooner]

i got 11 belts and each one got 75 on it

its more than i need

so i can use 27 constructors instead of 28

[wind spade]

take two belts and connect them to 5 machines

repeat until done

[still schooner]

what about the last one

[wind spade]

wdym?

[carmine wigeon]

last one connects to 2 machines and you have 15 extra

[viral sparrow]

11 belts of 75 would produce a 825 not 810

[carmine wigeon]

overflow it to a sink?

[still schooner]

i know but i only need 810

[wind spade]

why make 825 then

[still schooner]

beacuse i cant make 810

[wind spade]

why not?

[viral sparrow]

reminder clocking machines works for miners too

i'm guessing your smelting stuff

[wind spade]

you can make any amount of anything, change clock speed

[opaque quartz]

What are you trying to do, exactly? Sounds like you are making it way more complicated than it needs to be

[robust notch]

This is why we use manifold lanes kids!

[still schooner]

wait

im making a reinforced plate factory

[still schooner]

.

[wanton torrent]

Manifold it at that point

[still schooner]

how can i manifold it?

[wind spade]

hook each belt to the amount of machines it needs

[hushed silo]

interesting enough, when nitrogen gas is not a limiting factor but oil is, tools insist on making some nitro rocket fuel when brought into whole picture

[plucky tusk]

Can’t you disable the recipe?

[proper bridge]

What is the best recipe to Name out of Fuel Turbofuel

[terse stone]

On the scim interactive map is there a way to read out how much copper ore capacity is left untapped?

Planning to make 100 NC/min and need to use the rest of the copper on the map but need to know how many copper nodes (and production capacity) is available to use. Figured I'd ask before manually reading all of them

[quartz imp]

big fan of the double manifold beacuse it kinda load balances

and it looks good

and its very easy to tack on more

anyone know a good early oil set up

[hard tendon]

if you upload your save it will show you

[quartz imp]

I just want somthing i can do quick for some jetpack fuel

[wind spade]

that depends how you define "best"

[robust notch]

Turbo blend is my personal fave

It's just helps when you don't have to worry about getting coal

[proper bridge]

Is simple and dont use top many things

[wind spade]

that can still mean anything

[robust notch]

Yeah you'd only use sulfur and oil

[wind spade]

basically just look at the recipes and pick whatever recipe you like the most

[proper bridge]

Okke thx

[outer vale]

All the turbo/rocket alts have different resource tradeoffs. What might work well for one place won't be as well suited for another

[proper bridge]

Okki thx at all of you

[outer vale]

does also matter what buildings you have available, you may not even be able to use the blender alt

[proper bridge]

I may use the Standard one

[hard tendon]

y u do dis to me

[outer vale]

because you asked for stuff that needs 1248 iron ingots

just put it on two belts

[wind spade]

or do direct input

[hard tendon]

its so close to being just one belt though

[outer vale]

adjust your recipes then

[wind spade]

why do you want to put all on one belt anyway?

pretty sure it fits relatively nicely into next step to do it in small modules or even direct input

[hard tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27443459

[real stratus]

TBH not that hard, pure iron ingot makes it so easy

[real stratus]

Oh yeah, that makes sense

Tho I've been playing in a way where belts "can carry" only 90% and pipes only 75%

It helps with swings in production

[hard tendon]

pipes only 75% is something i will do next playthrough

[real stratus]

It actually helps so much with flow issues, not sloshing tho

[wind spade]

practically there shouldn't be swings in production

and pipes can easily be built to handle max throughput

[robust notch]

I'm making over 8000 copper ingots rn

[hard tendon]

im making 21600 :3

(just for pasta)

[real stratus]

Yes, but no

Especially with fuel stuff, supplying all the fuel generatos evenly is hard is the pipe is at 600 all the time

If for any reason you get less fuel in one instant then the fuel afther that can't fill in fast enough and you'll get swinging power

[wind spade]

it's super easy, loop the pipe, feed from above and prefill the pipe, almost 100% guarantee it will work

[real stratus]

Well yes, but now you're using twice the amout of pipes

I just use 33% more

[wind spade]

which isn't a problem in a world with infinite resources

[real stratus]

No

But it is less enjoyable IMO

[wind spade]

and it's not twice as much, you're just doubling the loop

not all piping

the 600 pipe is still a single pipe

[plucky tusk]

I just do gens in rows of 6so each pipe feeds 12 For fuel that’s like 240 demand and if you got 600 pipes you should be fine. Turbo fuel you can do rows of 8. Never a good idea to max out demand to supply ratio you’ll just use as much as you’re dumping in and the fuel gens at the end will get starved

[vapid gorge]

Only at the inputs

[plucky tusk]

I just treat 600 pipes like they’re 300 pipes

[chilly swift]

anyone able to do a calculation for me

[outer vale]

1+1=3

[plucky tusk]

Yeah

[steady gate]

what kind?

for planning walls im decently reliable

[outer vale]

the game does have a built-in calculator

[chilly swift]

I have 28 Fuel gens and I wanna swap them from turbo fuel to rocket and want to know how much rocket fuel I need to be making

[plucky tusk]

4.167 per gen

Iirc

[outer vale]

25/6 if you want to be exact

[chilly swift]

so ill need 5 blenders making it

[outer vale]

I imagine that depends on the recipe

[outer vale]

116.6666666666666666666666666666666666... actually

[plucky tusk]

Something like that

116.7

[outer vale]

if we're rounding arbitrarily, let's say 100 😛

[chilly swift]

eh so is that how much I need to produce in the m^3?

[plucky tusk]

116.7

[outer vale]

if one gen needs (25 / 6) ~= 4.1666..., then 28 needs 28x that much

[plucky tusk]

Yeah just too lazy to add m^3 to every number

I’m on mobile that takes time

[outer vale]

what else would it be?

[plucky tusk]

M^4

If there was a fluid dd

lol

[steady gate]

technically it exists, but we cant interact with that because we cant break the 4th wall to look directly at our creators /j

[chilly swift]

or have we already broken it without realising?

[steady gate]

possibly

that would explain why i feel like im being watched 24/7 but that could also just be the FBI or chinese spies /j

[chilly swift]

always make sure your cameras are covered

have a bare room that has nothing in it

how strong are the mk3s compared to mk2s

[robust notch]

are you using converters?

[hard tendon]

Not for copper no

[robust notch]

damn

[hard tendon]

Just a lot of copper ore and water

[robust notch]

how much pasta?

20?

[hard tendon]

18 iirc

[robust notch]

im only making 7

[hard tendon]

Using 6 for ballistic warp drives, rest are going into sink
About to make another 6 for ficsonium

So 24 in total i guess

[robust notch]

im still in the process of building phase 3-4 production all in one go

im saving all of the pure nodes until i get mk6 belts so i dont have to worry about changing them later

[hard tendon]

Fair enough

Making 12-18 of all the space elevator parts

[robust notch]

is your factory finished already?

[hard tendon]

Ye, ive got 4 elevator part factories in different biomes
All i need to do now is get rid of plutonium waste

With the added benefit of even more power :3 550 000 MW isnt a big enough number

[robust notch]

how complicated is ficsonium?

just wondering if i should bother

[hard tendon]

Theres a lot of steps involved, but i think fairly similar to the ballistic warp drives
Uses a lot of SAM tho, have to somersloop some

I like building factories with big numbers and lots of steps, otherwise i probably wouldnt bother, its easy enough to store plutonium

[hushed silo]

cats takeover

[hushed silo]

i see little grim dawn server in there

[hard tendon]

Grim dawn is pog

[hard tendon]

My cat lucy

[bleak jungle]

How should i build a storage? i have 8 train platforms, how to store this things? i have programmable spliters a guy told me cirlce storage is shit...

[wind spade]

generally you just put depots in your factories and don't build storage

unless you really really want to build a storage just for the sake of building it

[bleak jungle]

i have 8 freights for trains, how to sort that good? many of programmable splitter?

[wind spade]

I wouldn't merge it in the begining

(but you can just use smart splitters)

[bleak jungle]

looks great

[marble garnet]

Pipework for my 12 nuclear plant from above, i hope this helps as im not quite sure what you wanted to see? Mylast few power stations always end up starved of uranium fuel rods despite constructors working flat our without downtime. Maths seems to be correct. Any ideas?

[vapid gorge]

it takes a long time to get a uranium rod manifold to balance out so that's not a worry

but you said your water is getting starved?

[marble garnet]

no, it isn't....water seems fine

[vapid gorge]

oooh ok. just wait then

maybe turn off half of the generators and it'll spin up faster

[marble garnet]

its been running for about 12 hours and ive even been transferring rods from the 1st stations to the last a few times. Guess i need to wait longer 😄

[marble garnet]

not a bad call actually, thanks

[vapid gorge]

transfering rods from teh first will just make it take as or longer 🙂

you can double check the clocking of the power plants and manufacturers that make the rods I suppose? but yeah nuclear plants take a LONG time to balance. Unless you shut down a bunch of them

[marble garnet]

when a station reaches 50 i'll shut it down and only bring it back when the're all full..this is a really good idea. thank you 🙂

[vapid gorge]

I mean that's one way to do it, but just turning off a few at the end will also do the trick. Don't have to get fancy about it 🙂

[chilly swift]

anyone got a meta for getting rid of excese fuel?

since i need more poly for plastic

[vapid gorge]

burn it in a fuel gen?

why not directly make plastic from the oil though?

[oblique hollow]

Oh there's a junction in front of it?

[crimson moat]

yeah

[oblique hollow]

Now im not surprised anymore

[crimson moat]

does that break it

[oblique hollow]

I told ya junctions have no clue whats a supply line and whats a sideline

[crimson moat]

ah i didn't follow that bit 😄

[oblique hollow]

Remove the junction and try again

[crimson moat]

7m7s again (exact same time)

[oblique hollow]

Flow was still as erratic as before?

[crimson moat]

Yeah

[oblique hollow]

Hm. Cursed

Does a pump or valve change behaviour?

[crimson moat]

testing

[crimson moat]

This is actually wild

It fills up around 30% of the way at 602/min and then just completely has a stroke

[ember fractal]

pipes 600 m3/min ™️

[oblique hollow]

Weird how broken the buffer is for you right now

[crimson moat]

Just the fat one haha

[oblique hollow]

Is that with pump mk1? Or valve?

[crimson moat]

this is not rocket science, it should work. All mk.2, same behavior with and without valve, with and without junction.

[ember fractal]

try buffering the buffer by putting 2 buffers in a row
=> ( ) <=> ( ) <=

[crimson moat]

this is just a quick test i made to evaluate water behavior, but lmao it does not make sense

[oblique hollow]

Do not buffer the buffer
Especially not with a valve between them.
And no external supply

[fair pebble]

fluid dynamics is horrible to figure out

[ember fractal]

yeh, don't buffer the buffer, I was just kidding

[crimson moat]

Ok i made some sense of it

extractor set wrong

and was masked by buffers

[oblique hollow]

No consitent flow i assume

[crimson moat]

am just double checking all rn and will re run

[oblique hollow]

At 7 mins it suggest you only made 300/min

[crimson moat]

ye

[oblique hollow]

Rip. All for nought

[crimson moat]

extra provided by buffer

😄

Dumb mistake sorry

Why is it 602m3/min and not 600?

[oblique hollow]

Measuring inaccuracy
Same reason why a mk 2 split into 2 will show 301

Its probably just floats at work

[crimson moat]

The small buffer started to slow down at 380/400

but the large one at 2380/2400

so i think it is related to the flow rate vs leftover space

it's not a flat 95%, just when there is <20m3 of space for a 600 pipe it throttles

Yeah, 2390/2400 with a mk1 pipe

so if it's going to fill in less than the next ~2 seconds, flow rate is reduced (probably as a protection against overfilling)

[fossil galleon]

has anyone experienced machines en masse idling randomly when using a hoverpack nearby?

20 blenders in two parallel columns turn yellow whenever my hover pack connection jumps from one power connection to another. this stops when I unequip it

[outer vale]

known issue, to do with connecting to different grids

[fossil galleon]

and I assume that it's a bug, not a feature?

[outer vale]

yes

[fossil galleon]

alright

[left trout]

possibly silly question about belt balancing. I have 2 mk4 belts with 455/min each as inputs. if I want 1 480 and a 430 could I just split belt B into 2 outputs, connect one of them to belt A with a merger and let the fact that the output belt (mk4) of the merger (from A and B.1) can only carry 480 force the "split" between B.1 and B.2 be effectively 25 and 430? or will that cause throughput problems?

[fossil galleon]

the easiest would be to use smart splitters and mergers to condense a 480 belt

you attach smart splitters to both belts, and then merge the any outputs to one belt (this one will be full) and the overflow outputs to another belt (in your case, 430)

[left trout]

ok, thanks. that makes sense

[fossil galleon]

my now looped and efficient fuel pipe logistics

[gritty wadi]

I'm having a bit of a logistics problem (in my brain) trying to figure out how to add in a Dimensional Depot as the last container in my storage.

Purple = Where I want to place the Depot
Red = Overflow line
Green = Main line
Other Green = Sink

[opaque quartz]

You want to put it in place of that container? Or on top of it? Are all those splitters regular splitters or smart splitters?

[robust notch]

Does anyone have a good method on planning belt work?

I have over 400 hours and my belts always feel messy

[opaque quartz]

Are you using “straight mode” when building them? Are you building on foundations?

[gritty wadi]

It would replace that current container, smart splitters infront on botom level, mergers on top for overflow, Im building using straight mode.

[opaque quartz]

The foundation/straight mode questions were related to the other post below yours

For setting up the depot I think you just need to put it where the container is? Make sure the smart splitter output is set to “any” for the ddu input so that it gets filled before overflowing. The uploader has the same exact footprint as a standard (non-industrial) storage container

[amber umbra]

@robust notch I do a "production blade" style where the machines are manifolded with a concistent width.

Pairs pretty well with blueprints and calculators online doing from raw to final item.

[vapid gorge]

@upbeat girder what’s the actual issue?

[amber umbra]

I didn’t explore the concept a ton, but limiting the amount of input belts for a given production blade seems good. If you need more inputs you’d split the production line into separate smaller parts. But Satisfactory is super unconstrained on how you belt route so lots of options.

[robust notch]

love the design, ill have to use it

[crimson moat]

why does hazmat make me green

i'm blue normally

[wooden jasper]

Bro might be radioactive

[thin timber]

Uranium stains?

Idk

[plucky tusk]

Looks the same to me

[crimson moat]

this feels kinda trolling, why does it want me to recycle rubber into plastic to make iron plates

and input 8 coal to make rods

this is every recipe enabled except heat-fused frames

[outer vale]

because you turned on those alts, and it judges those as more resource-efficient by its own measure of resource weights

[crimson moat]

Do people really use coal for steel rods

[outer vale]

yes, though probably not if it'd only need 8 coal

[crimson moat]

this feels like trolling also, i have to disable many recipies and check it again and then disable a bunch more

[plucky tusk]

Yeah

Using waste water from aluminum to make fuel for a recycled plastic setup

Good luck homie

[crimson moat]

i think this is more in line with what i would actually want to do

[plucky tusk]

Sry auto correct

The one I’m doing is 15 heavy flexible frames pm

Just iron oil and limestone

[wind spade]

I mean you're selecting recipes that you're willing to use and then complaining that the tool used them 😄

[hard tendon]

fkin 2l/min bruh

[wind spade]

that's 2000 l/min

[hard tendon]

ah ye right i meant m3

this game has sort of distorted my sense of how big some of these numbers actually are

[tropic hawk]

welcome to industrial level production

[scenic pawn]

hey after a while some of my pipe loops just get empty

[opaque quartz]

First thing to check is that your math is correct. Are you producing as much as you are consuming?

[oblique hollow]

that is either a supply or a demand issue.
If there is very little verticality involved at least
Not making enough or using too much

[hushed silo]

where are my daily pipe appr3ciation posters at

[oblique hollow]

daily pipe shitposting

[carmine wigeon]

Being super lazy here but hopefully someone knows - I remember when 1.0 launched mk6 belts had some issue that they sometimes didn't perform to 1200. Was that resolved? (also the old mk5 belt bug)?

Or is it still best to be safe and assume something like 95% capacity

[wind spade]

the old "mk5" bug was "mk all" bug 😛

(and was resolved)

[carmine wigeon]

Noice! Yeah I guess I thought of it as the mk5 belt bug because in a way, it didn't matter on older belts since you could just upgrade

I did find a Q&A post saying the mk6 bug was resolved in 1.0.1.0

[steady gate]

i think its been resolved, or at least, im not having any problems with the 1200 throughput

ofc i cant speak for everyone, but for me it all works (mostly) as it should

eccept tractors and trucks but eh who uses those anyways

[carmine wigeon]

This save is going to be all trains so not worried about them 😉

[steady gate]

the trucks are still jank as all hell

[carmine wigeon]

But it's going to get very big with a horrible tick rate eventually so hoping that I can get 1200 reliably

[steady gate]

at the moment, with 56 train stations (4 to 8 freight cars) and 120ish drone ports im having no issues so i dont think seize is gonna matter much

eccept for the laggy belt placement

wich still exists if you have around 15k of the same mk belt in a small area

but that can easely be resolved by save editing, downgrading them and then upgrading them back once the factory is finished

[carmine wigeon]

I can deal with lag so long as the maths is working 100% in the background

[steady gate]

for as far as i know, it works

or at least, i hope it does otherwise i might be slightly screwed with my nuclear scaling XD

[carmine wigeon]

That's what I'm doing too 😉

Fingers crossed for both of us I guess

[steady gate]

fr, im just procrastinating with designing stuff i wont ever use XD

[hard tendon]

wew, how many p/m and power are you making?

[steady gate]

for nuclear? oh barely anything

6 fuel rods/min atm

making 217600 MW

[hard tendon]

was kinda expecting more with all those trains and drones ngl

[steady gate]

and im consuming 200k atm

oh i've barely started my nuclear

the drones are for nuclear, i dont want to accedentally cause a meltdown by leaving a train on the tracks

[hard tendon]

fair enough
my uranium and fuel rods and waste are either drones or belts

[steady gate]

at the moment im planning around give or take 7.2 TW

[hard tendon]

wowie

[steady gate]

but im playing modded, i just wanted to see how overkill i could make it

[hard tendon]

ah

[steady gate]

apperantly, very

[hard tendon]

im sitting at 550k mw atm, when i finish ficsonium probably about 650k i think

[steady gate]

sloops go a long way, turning 6000 uranium ore into 576 fuel rods/min

[hard tendon]

oh are all nodes pure?

[steady gate]

yep

i love that mod so much, it also makes calculating things alot easier

[hard tendon]

i see
thats a lot of waste as well .-.

[steady gate]

28800 to be exact

[hard tendon]

wew
thats a lot waste to recycle

[steady gate]

eh, magic sink

or the port-a-potty mod that i have installed where i can flush exactly one item every i think 5 minutes

i do plan on recycling them, but that'd involve spawning more uranium nodes

[hard tendon]

might need more sulfur as well

[steady gate]

suprisinglly no thats all obtainable on the map

nitrogen however

[hard tendon]

[steady gate]

17280/min

impossible, even with all pure nodes

[hard tendon]

thats a lot

[steady gate]

mhm, though its worth it because funny haha

[hard tendon]

how many entities is your save at?

[steady gate]

i also need a grand total of 48 copper/min

[hushed silo]

convert bauxite to nitro

[hard tendon]

not 48k copper?

[steady gate]

the drone port for nuclear currently

[hard tendon]

thats a lot of drones

[steady gate]

nope, a grand 48 for steamed sheets for circuit boards

[hard tendon]

impressive

[steady gate]

50 drone ports for all the resources

[hard tendon]

what fuel are you using for them?

[steady gate]

plutonium /j

[hard tendon]

based

[steady gate]

nah, batteries, i have more than enough being produced/min to keep up w that

building overkill factories comes in handy sometimes

[hard tendon]

true

[steady gate]

i mean, using 33 iron nodes for one iron plant at 1200/min belts

[hard tendon]

big numbers

[wind spade]

*GW

kMW is nothing 😛

[steady gate]

yes, and a very big headache dont do the things i do on this game XD

[hard tendon]

im happy enough making 12-18 t4 elevator parts

[steady gate]

tbh fair

i enjoy the methodical logistics of my headache inducing shenanigans

though, everyone has their own way of enjoying the game

[tired zinc]

is it possible to split items like that with belts?

[opaque quartz]

What’s your highest tier belt right now?

[tired zinc]

mk 4 but with some work i can make mk5 if needed

[opaque quartz]

You can set your foundries up in five groups, each group clocked to produce the number of ingots needed for the five downstream components. Use a manifold on those machines. You’ll need mk5 belts for the foundry input and the belt feeding the iron wire constructors

This is a pretty serious production plan, what are you trying to make?

[tired zinc]

im trying to make a "central factory" for almost everythink automated

exept alluminium

[tired zinc]

so just build a giant manafold feeding the macines down the line?

[opaque quartz]

As long as you have the belt capacity, and match your input and output numbers, a manifold will work fine

But I would do a separate manifold for each of your different machine groups, fed by the appropriate number of foundries for that group

You can’t do a single manifold for all of this because you don’t have the belt capacity

[wind spade]

I mean, you can also never merge them

nothing says that you must merge them into one belt

[tired zinc]

thats what i thougt but im trying to find an other way so i dont have to rebuild everythink 🥲

[wind spade]

lesson learned - don't build things until you have logistics planned 😛

[tired zinc]

ill start again from left to right i guess :P

thanks guys for the help

[alpine sable]

@wind spade
sorry for the delay I had another matter to attend to a bit more serious than gaming XD
anyway here's the intersection
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3419185581

[wind spade]

yeah that signal will break eventually

[alpine sable]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3419185474

[wind spade]

unless it's a path signal, in which case it isn't needed and hsould be removed

should be like this

[alpine sable]

haaaaaaa remove the intermediates gotcha good idea thanks

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3419210578
Thanks again it's working super fine

[hushed silo]

can any1 explain why heat fused frame over basic?

it uses more nitrogen and requires crude oil too