math-and-meta

[vapid gorge]

yeah if you want to know if something is 'efficient' you have to be very specific.

It's usually trade offs in resources and or complexity/energy.

so one recipe can be more efficient in it's oil use, or maybe it's more efficient in it's sulfur use. That sort of thing.

There's no single 'most efficient' thing like that.

'better' with power is usually less work per mW, nuclear is probably the least effort for most bang

[grave prism]

I see, thanks for the help.

[vapid gorge]

yeah no stress!
it's actually part of what makes this game so great. There's no single optimal path.

depends on your goals, the location you want to build in, the other things you're building, other recipes you're using that can make things more convenient for you

like if you do caterium circuit boards and caterium computers? you can make computers with just oil and caterium.

useful in a lot of ways. But you coudl do Caterium Computers and Silica circuit boards to use crystal and stretch our your caterium

more complex , but more caterium efficient

[grave prism]

Yeah i was thinking on building my megafactory in the dune dessert? Or by long beach( got attracted to the idea of using refineries to do the pure recipes ) thought havent chosen yet lowkey been loot hunting while i figure it out

[wind spade]

I'd recommend not building megafactory 😛

build multiple smaller factories all over the map

[vapid gorge]

yeah, especially if you haven't built very large systems before it can become a mess pretty quick. If tyou haven't gone through all the tiers before just build as you need, learn the basics, then after everything is unlocked work from a final end goal.

tiers 1-9 are kinda just a long tutorial

[grave prism]

How so?

[vapid gorge]

what I do to progress is set up a starter base that build a bit of everything in a very inneficient method, but that's not for everyone

[wind spade]

unnecessary logistical complication and performance hit

[grave prism]

I mean i got a soup of small factories in the grassy fields with outputs of like 2.5 and such just to get stuff unlocked

[grave prism]

Gotcha, any tips on how to break them down then?

[wind spade]

you only need like 2.5-5/min for most things

[wind spade]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[grave prism]

Huh, not a bad concept might give it a try

[high umbra]

So I just learned you can turn copper ore into copper ore via a converter chain-

[vapid gorge]

not a surprise

[high umbra]

as far as I can tell, you always lose items if you convert one ore through others back into itself so you can't just turn SAM into other ores

[vapid gorge]

I mean if you look at it the other way you add some ores to SAM ore to turn SAM into other things

just a point of view

[high umbra]

yeah, what I'm trying to say is that SAM can't be converted into more of one ore if you only feed that one ore in

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah there seems to be loss each step

[livid turret]

Law of conservation of matter or just trying to avoid infinite loops

[vapid gorge]

well you'd never get infinite loops as you consume SAM each step

[wary rapids]

this program may be ineffective at plaining tier9

Im not sure that makes any sence to need dark matter as both an input and have a need to use up extra dark matter for crytals

[vapid gorge]

that's basically illegible

[wary rapids]

i can read it- is just wrong.

having worse probelms with tools.

it wont tell me how much of a thing i can make from a thing.

i have to manual all my outputs.\

[wind spade]

use the maximise mode to figure that out

(and then switch back to items/min)

[wary rapids]

im looking for that mode

[wind spade]

the items/min selctbox in your screenshot

[wary rapids]

great

[vapid gorge]

I mean, you made it so I would hope that you would at least understand a thing you made with your own hands. It'd be super sad if the program was so bad people couldn't understand what they've put on it :\ But it is not friendly to anyone who isn't the author

[wind spade]

at first I thought it's a reply to me and I got really confused

but I mean it technically fits perfectly given that I made Tools 🤔

[vapid gorge]

author of the plan I meant more. If you set up a bunch of bubbles and know the outputs you're going for you have a lot of inherent knowledge that should let you read the thing

Like, I make a bunch of short hand notes for plans that make total sense to me but would be basically gibberish to eveyrone else

but that doesn't matter since at no point do I need to show it to anyone

[wary rapids]

im sorry im geting lost trying to follow all the errors in this tools diagram.

but thanks greeny

if you thought the last diagram was messed up i cant even show this one.

[vapid gorge]

what is the final output you're looking to make?

[wind spade]

what errors? the diagrams should be mathematically fine

[wary rapids]

mistake were made. im starting with a premise of makeing turbodiamonds with 300 oil and coal. with turbo blends fuel then finding how many late game space parts i can make with that.

[wind spade]

well, set up raw resources and inputs in Items, Input, then select the part you want to make and hit maximize for that part

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=xBD6PPQdv76BRGAGjRgF like so

tick turbo blend , and turbo diamonsds in the alt recipe list, un check the base diamond recipe

make sure hte inputs are limited as you like

you might be able to decrease the oil consumption with some of the more oil efficient alts? but doesn't look like it's much of an issue

[wary rapids]

omg my brain got totally borked by someone bringing up this years taxes. brb.

I should start with the premises off what i can do with 525 dimainds per min sence my ussall tools can get that far.

[vapid gorge]

well with the recipes you've suggested you'd need a lot more than 300 coal pm, as that's only making 30 diamonds pm

[wary rapids]

not 300 coal

300 oil

[vapid gorge]

ah thought 300 each were the limiter

[wary rapids]

it should come out to 500 plus coal

5 thousand coal

[vapid gorge]

that's still only 218~ diamonds pm https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=giI0pbjl0X3kFQbD26Iy

[wary rapids]

just on the diamods.

that part is solved.

[vapid gorge]

ok did you click on the link?

[wary rapids]

i am

[vapid gorge]

ok so you have 218 diamonds pm - did you want to change the recipes to extend that somewhat?

there's probably a few recipes you can chuck in to make more

[wary rapids]

yeah wer using recycles plastic.

[vapid gorge]

here I add the very efficient oil alts https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=OkRVg39HKBOIQN1ybEGt

536.482 diamonds pm

[wary rapids]

so all the resin must make rubber then make plasitic from that to get enogh containers.

[vapid gorge]

generally that's how the efficient oil alts work yes

[vapid gorge]

the recycle loop made in tools can generally be altered and then done manually for a better human layout

but the one in this link looks fine honestly

[wary rapids]

i know its an arbirary amount of turbo fuel but i think ive worked out that the logistics of supplyinh the 5000 coal is reasonable.

and my power grid might be able to handle it.

[vapid gorge]

you could also put a limit on the coal if you want, set it to 5000 instead of hte 5300 its using in the link

but I think your second question was 'what do I use the diamonds for?'

[wary rapids]

perhaps it might be more productive to see what you have done for balistic warp drives and ai expansions.

i will tweak these recipes to show 525 diamonds

[vapid gorge]

well I just hit maximise war drives here in a cloned tab? feel free to tool around with the recipes though https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=mAlNeRBITXsplaFYQuae

the only limit on that plan is the 300 oil

[wary rapids]

i see that limited the modualr engines.

[vapid gorge]

quite possibly? you wanted to do both mod engines and warp drives on the same plan?

[wary rapids]

no mod engines are an intermedated that requires rubber.

[vapid gorge]

quiiiite possibly? I'll often break down a plan like this into smaller chunks so it's more managble

but you introduced a fairly limiting oil factor in here. Assuming you aren't adding more than the 300 oil?

[wary rapids]

this is saying i can make 72 per minuite if i take all 525 dimineds and use them all for warp drives.

[vapid gorge]

quite possibly? it sounds like you're putting more oil into the mix. What I did was clone the diamond tab and then maximised the Warp drives

so it's still workign off the 300 oil. You can create a new tab for Warp drives and add Diamonds as premade input?

[wary rapids]

i just wanted that much oil for the first turbo dimonds operation.

[vapid gorge]

ah then what I would do is add the 525 diamonds pm as an input, and then turn off the diamon recipe for the warp drive

[wary rapids]

ops it added 4230 other manufactoer dimonds.

[vapid gorge]

yeah you have to turn off the diamond recipes in your warp drive tab. like this

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=SxcSYnmTGzqiN0IKgBGw

that way it plays with a limit of 525 diamonds

[wary rapids]

so what im seeing here is i need to tell it all my raw resources.

[vapid gorge]

that's one of the issues if you're planning forward. Planning backwards is much easier

but generally you only need to limit the main limiting resource

like the link I just shared to you

8.468 warp pm

[wary rapids]

i see well i can see from this 72 per minuite is defineatly unreasonable.

thats 72 pasta per minute.

[vapid gorge]

yeah I didn't see your new plan but I'm assuming it made an ass ton more diamonds

where as the last link is diamond limited

Honestly I'd really plan backwards from a final goal rather than doing it this way, but I'm not your dad

[wary rapids]

i havent made the diamonds yet im just half finished with 3 train routes.

and i havent worked out were the dimonds will go. sence thiers allot of varibles

[vapid gorge]

fair. If you haven't unlocked everything and not working from a final master plan I'd just wing it 🙂

but gl with it, need to finish cleaning the rat cages

[wary rapids]

alright cya soon.

[carmine fox]

Hello there

Would a setup like that work? Would all 11 pipes get enough nitrogen gas?

[vapid gorge]

pain

[wary rapids]

id like to know that.

[vapid gorge]

I think, in theory, it's not impossible for it to work

I would however not do this

[wary rapids]

ive made some progress

[carmine fox]

do you have a better suggestion?

[smoky shoal]

something like that works for me with rocket fuel

[vapid gorge]

if at all possible don't mix pipe lines, process them seperately

use clocking to manage it

[carmine fox]

Well it's not impossible, I could build a few more packagers to unpack the nitrogen gas

[vapid gorge]

absolutely do that

[smoky shoal]

doesn't gas just equalize?

[vapid gorge]

mixing a ton of pipes together is asking for flow problems

[vapid gorge]

or just process them as is.

for example process the 600 line as 600 - and then split off 225 of the product somewhere else with clocking

if you've already built the machines consuming them? .... yeah build more unpackagers

[carmine fox]

I have built them already and they are built that way exactly because I didn't want pipes to mix, in that case the fuel

[vapid gorge]

right, use the packagers and clocking to split them up more neatly

[wary rapids]

by inputing my manually found modeler numbers into the tools program i was able to see my phase 5 raitos. determine i need no additional sam for dark energy after the factory has been bootstrapped. and understand the benefits of making a cluster of quantum encoded processes.

[meager flicker]

are you doing rocket fuel?

[carmine fox]

yes

[meager flicker]

i just finished my set up in the blue crater lmk if u need any help

it's a fun factory to set up

[carmine fox]

yeah but with big numbers comes big problems 😄

[wary rapids]

i was thinking i may want to try rocket fuel. but im not sure what happens to unpacked gas canisters.

i mean do they fail to unpack if the presure is to high.

i went with turbo blend fuel on my last plant but id like to try nirto rocket fuel in the lower right quad.

[vapid gorge]

send them back to be packaged

but also - just do nuclear power. 1x nuclear gen is 10x fuel gens

[wary rapids]

how does that water feeding shake out. can i go 2 overclocked tubines and feed one reactor?

and do i need any loops.

[vapid gorge]

well often times it's good to OC nuclear power plants , npps, to 250% so it needs 600 water. Then you just feed 1 pipe per npp

if you build over water you can fit 5 water extractors under a npp moderately well? but I'd over clock the water extractors too

[wary rapids]

alright i was hopeing that would work sence the numbers get messy otherwise.

[vapid gorge]

lots of ways to do things 🙂

[wary rapids]

for sure i was leaning tward making a dumping ground for waste with blueprints of containers in a viod somewhere.

something that could last 2 years.

[vapid gorge]

I suppose? the plutonium rods you make from the waste though are great for drones

[wary rapids]

how often would they fly by irrdated you. i mean in that case would you make airports a short walk from a main base.

something about that idea seem like it is awesome.

just becuase that would be allot of drones.

[vapid gorge]

yeah depends how you build xD but you could jsut wear your rad suit

[wary rapids]

just start sinking those fillers.

hmm making plantt irradated is solution to nuclear waste. - not problem.

[mortal viper]

My math is bad, but is 2 MK1 pipes enough to feed water to 16 coal power plants? Or do I need 4?

[vapid gorge]

16x45?

[wary rapids]

15 coal per plant

[vapid gorge]

45 water pm , 15 coal pm

[wind spade]

they are asking about water though

[mortal viper]

Yeah I dont want to go overboard with my piping D:

[vapid gorge]

careful about bottom feeding in the future, it's often easily safe for coal gens but can cause issues if not done properly with other things

[mortal viper]

Oh even if I have a water tower that is elevated higher?

[wind spade]

don't do water towers

[wary rapids]

fluid cant go up unless the pipe under it is 100 percent full manifolds with inputs equal to their consumption rates tend to form gradients which never self correct.

[vapid gorge]

all water towers do is add headlift, which you can do with a pump

headlift isn't the issue with bottom feeding

[mortal viper]

Oh ok

[vapid gorge]

you can make bottom feeding work with more complex systems, but it's fiddly and requires really carefully managing your pipes. I don't recommend it.

I only bottom feed but I'm super strict with my piping

[fallow siren]

how do u guys maximize fluid train throughput?

i tried smth like this, into 2 buffer and merge the buffer output

[vapid gorge]

haven't we talked about avoiding buffers before?

ah for trains my bad

[heavy gust]

I only use them for trains

[vapid gorge]

these are tested fluid train systems #design-and-architecture message

I'd build them exactly like in the image as they rely on VIP junctions

there's also this one #design-and-architecture message

[fallow siren]

thx

[vapid gorge]

no stress, I like the last one do to the simplicity

and unless you have quite a long train you can use a small buffer

[fallow siren]

i actually have 2 trains shipping nitrogens, one train is actually very far like 1km, maybe ill use the industrial buffer for that

[vapid gorge]

oh this is for gas

[fallow siren]

but can i still use the same setup?

[vapid gorge]

nooooooo

[fallow siren]

hmm

[vapid gorge]

package that up.

packaged gas compresses 4x , and it's much more compact shiping hte containers back on the same train

so a train drops off packaged nitrogen from like 1 car, and picks up empty containers at the same time

Recently a player named Ladyhawk actually developed a buffer system that worked with gasses, which is fascinating, and apparently pretty reliable. But.... it doesn't have much use since it's much more compact to package it

[fallow siren]

some ppl actually recommend me to also package nitrogen, then i will rebuild it later

[vapid gorge]

well you can fight something like 12,000 gas units in one car packaged, or ... I think 1200 gas in 1 fluid car?

I can't remember. Maybe 2400

either way you can fit a lot more packaged

drones are very good for packaged gas too - since they can pick up the empty cannisters on the way back

[fallow siren]

its 2400/m for one freight

[vapid gorge]

yup, much more compact packaged

[heavy gust]

Spam more trains on the track untill nothing backs up

[vapid gorge]

Ah ok so 1 fluid car can move 1600 fluid in one got, a freight car can move 12,800 gas in one car. But you'll need another car to move the cannisters back

[unborn ermine]

if I was going to plan that out, split the packing into two cars, having a third for canisters.

depends on the node

[vapid gorge]

why? you'd need as much packed gas cars as empty cannister car

[unborn ermine]

Oh my brain was combining the two

long day

4 then

[vapid gorge]

it happens. 🙂 it effectively means you can only move 6400 gas per freight car since you need an equal amount of space for return

but that's still 4x as much as unpackaged in a fluid car

[patent blaze]

Packaging makes sense now that i think about it since you can smart splitter overflow it

I might have to redo my nitrogen setups so i can make dedicated cooling systems or something

[north mauve]

You would have to do the basic math and write it out to make sure that the excess from each junction combines and never goes over 600, starting from one side and working your way to the other.

[carmine fox]

I did that in my head and it made sense! But since I decided to rebuild it it didn't matter anymore, I now have 11 pipes going straight from packagers to the blenders

[oblique hollow]

You can already do some slight optimization by seperating this into a group of 8 and a group of 3

8 x 375 is exactly 3000 so thats just 600 x 5

[carmine fox]

yeah but with that weird setup I thought I'd just play it safe by adding a bit more from the other source. Now that of course is not a problem anymore

had to fix my sulfur 3 times now, hope I did it right this time X_x distributing 5500 sulfur to 22 blenders is not really fun

[north mauve]

I've still only built one thing bigger than mk6 belts could handle. The game really doesn't require it.

[carmine fox]

yeah that depends on what you mean by require 😄 to finish the game? certainly not? to build huge factories, it would be useful

[sharp cargo]

What are people's thoughts on the instant plutonium cell recipe? It looks like it saves several steps, but i'm having a hard time figuring out if it is less efficient in terms of amount of non-fissile uranium --> encased plutonium cell output?

it looks ike the recipe makes better use of waste -> plutonium fuel rod output, and is easier as it skips the pellet, but I'm not sure I'm reading that right

[formal ether]

Hello! I need some help with my fuel generators.
I have 600 oil going into 10 refineries on the fuel recipe. Which should produce 400 fuel per minute. Going into 20 fuel generators that each should take 20 fuel per minute. So all generators combined, need 400 fuel per minute. But for some reason. Every few minutes. The system just fails. Do I need more pumps, or am I missing something?

[north mauve]

Find the one that isn't consistent and debug from there

[opaque quartz]

Turn off the generators closest to your refineries to allow the pipes and generators further away to flood with fuel. Once you’ve confirmed they are completely full, you can progressively turn those generators back on

Also check and make sure you don’t have any Mk1 pipes hiding in your plumbing as they are limited to 300/min

[formal ether]

Thanks! I'll try this. Would that have something to do with not enough pumps? Also, 100% sure there were no mk1 pipes used.

[opaque quartz]

Pumps are only needed if head lift issues involved. Are your refineries getting starved for oil from the extractor? Are your extractors at a lower elevation?

Looks like your refineries and generators are all at the same level so no pumps should be needed there

In any case, the best approach for troubleshooting anything in this game is to be methodical and follow a process of elimination

[formal ether]

Refineries are full with oil and producing. These are the extractors.

[opaque quartz]

If the refineries are not struggling then it’s likely just that the generators and pipes didn’t have enough time to flood before everything started running. My original suggestion should resolve that

[formal ether]

That worked! Fuel looks stable, but I'll be keeping my eyes on it. Thank you!

[vapid gorge]

follow the issue backwards

are you not getting enough fuel?
check the fuel producers, are they clogged or starving?

[fallow siren]

i just remember i can clock the fuel gen to 96% to get 4/min rf

im not dealing with 4.167

that number is ugly af

made a blueprint for it so theres no silly mistakes

[opaque quartz]

Clock your generator to 240% and it will burn exactly 10 RF/min

And you’ll have to place 2.4x less generators

[sand epoch]

And need a few k shards

[fallow siren]

i dont have enough shards for that

i need at least a thousand shards

[opaque quartz]

Time to go slug huntin! Remember to sloop a constructor when converting them to shards to double them

Or you could overclock to 120% and use 5 RF/min per generator which would only require one shard per genny instead of three

[unborn dome]

For the alumina solution water loop, how do I ensure the water coming out of the aluminum scrap refineries takes priority over the water coming from the water extractor, so the refinery outputs don't back up?

Would clocking the extractor at exactly the amount of water I need from it to make up the difference suffice?

[vapid gorge]

Don’t merge the fresh and waste in the first place

[unborn dome]

Hmm, I think at least one would need to merge though?

It's not an even split

At least not with the sloppy alumina recipe

Maybe if I use a pair of valves both facing the refinery where the merge would occur (the refinery where neither side has enough water left to run the refinery), calculated to only let the exact amount through from each side?

Or perhaps just use two underclocked refineries and keep fresh and waste truly separate...

[vapid gorge]

Doesn’t have to be under clocked , just two groups of refs. One that uses waste, one fresh

Let’s say you have 10 refineries making solution.

40% of the water used in the system is waste.

So make a group of 6 run on fresh, and 4 that run on waste

[unborn dome]

Yeah, it's just that it has to be clocked such that neither has too little water from their respective fresh/waste source.

[vapid gorge]

Easy clocking and it’s basically an unbreakable system

[unborn dome]

Yeah, underclocking sounds like it's probably less hassle than valves

[vapid gorge]

Valves don’t stop back flow

While it’s technically possible to direct feed waste into fresh it’s not a reliable solution and often breaks

VIP junctions exist, but also a bit of a coin toss building them right

Keeping waste and fresh split? Simple and reliable

[unborn dome]

But if I made a T-junction, with the refinery, the fresh water, and the waste water, and put a valve on the fresh/waste, could I not limit the flow such that the refinery gets the exact amount of water it'd need?

[vapid gorge]

No

Again - valves don’t stop back flow

[wary rapids]

Im making aliumina in the least efficient way possible but i went with it after testing that these modules can be over clocked.

[unborn dome]

So what's the point of them limiting flow?

[vapid gorge]

There isn’t really a point to valves

[unborn dome]

I'm using the electrode+sloppy+pure alt process

[vapid gorge]

People have created weird things with them but they are unreliable and when the junctions don’t work you can’t really troubleshoot it

[wary rapids]

id like to try that next.

[unborn dome]

Nice round numbers

[unborn dome]

Downside being you need petrocoke rather than coal

[vapid gorge]

It makes more scrap and it’s much easier to move a small amount of oil instead of a shit ton of coal

[unborn dome]

Yep, I'm actually just going to ship the coke by train, easy

[vapid gorge]

Move the oil before expanding it. Much easier

[wary rapids]

im probably going to be trying 1:1 modules with 60 inputs of water. but until i test them it's just theory.

[wary rapids]

i should be testing something very soon for a use in a nuclear plant.

[wary rapids]

I have my first prototype sloopy alumina teting tommorow

buffer will be critcal in the first few seconds.

7 seconds

first 3 seconds 10 water is used.

it's fairly hard to pridict what it will do. bu i wasnt sure if my last design would work.

[tough fiber]

Why does this happen? How can I solve it?

[latent anchor]

I disagree slightly here, there is hardly any uses for valves but they do exist (most notably in VIP/VOP junctions but they're also good for making manifolds distribute evenly to eliminate fill time)

Huffing some heavy copium right now? Maybe, but I refuse to believe valves are entirely useless

[tepid rain]

I forgot if I asked this here our not but when transporting items via train, accounting for the max belt speed of 1200 would it be better to split the loading between two freight cars instead of one? I understand distance is a factor but looking for what may be the leass headache methood to asure a solid throughput.

[hushed trellis]

when is it a good idea to overclock? i've been considering not doing that but looking at my factories there may be times where im gonna have to

[sand epoch]

With no info.. going to guess you have mk1 pipes.

[oblique hollow]

make less acid?
Oh wait no this is just the classic pioneer trap for fluid loops
Yeah check if your pipes are mk 2 first

and second check if you receive concrete and uranium fast enough and the uranium cells dont back up either

[scarlet kindle]

how do i exactly output the 52.5 / min and 67.5 / min to different conveyors

[tepid rain]

Whenever you want really. I overclock stuff right off. A machine at 200% is the same as having 2 machines with no overclock running. If you want to save space, then you can cut the number in half. Outside that it's good when you need to set up a spasific number of items, or devide a resource between two differing items.

[tepid rain]

the machines attached at the end of the lines will do that for you. As in the machines making the rods will only allow 52.57 ingots along that belt line.

[wind spade]

several options (from most to least recommended):

• have two groups of smelters, one making 67.5, one making 52.5
• manifold (line of splitters for each constructor)
• balancer

[tepid rain]

manifolds are easiet as it will balance out its self once all the machines fill.

Kind of like this setup here. The top line, the 2 constructors (overclocked) can only consume 60 ingots, so only 60 will ever fit on that line. The next two constructors only need 105, so only 105 will go down that belt as its all that can fit. the remaining, goes down the last one. Thus using all 300 evenly split.

it's a nice automatic process, controled by the machines item per min need.

[hushed trellis]

something like this, assuming the 50% rod constructor is at the top

what blueprint is that anyway? basic iron?

[scarlet kindle]

modular frame, wanted to make a more efficient one

[hushed trellis]

ohhh

[tough fiber]

Sorry I should have put it... It's mk2 pipes

[tough fiber]

But if I make less acid, then I won't have enough... I guess I could make just a little less, hopefully it will solve the issue. But it's annoying, because this shouldn't even happen.
Also I do have enough of the other resources, and the cells output doesn't back up

[oblique hollow]

Theres few things in the game as tricky as fluid recycling because doing it "the simple way" is also the most unsafe way

any kind of stutter from machines can lock this up

but since you already have 4 blenders, you can try the following reconfiguration of your pipes:
Supply 3 blenders with fresh acid only.
collect all the byproduct acid from all 4 blenders and feed it exclusively to the 4th blender

[tough fiber]

Yeah I think I'll do that... Even though it means one blender will be a little hungry. And I will have to rethink it every time I scale up

[oblique hollow]

it will only be hungry while it all starts up

and that is useful actually

it means that it wont ever have too much acid

[tough fiber]

Well, it will only have 80/100 acid... But that's not such a problem

[oblique hollow]

well it needs only 80

you overclocked your blenders to 200%, right?

[tough fiber]

it varies actually... 2 of them at 250

[oblique hollow]

then your numbers dont match up

so 2 at 200% and 2 at 250%?

[tough fiber]

250 + 250 + 200 + 100

But it's shifting. I'm generally in the process of scaling up my power

[oblique hollow]

just go with a uniform 200%

you already have the right number of shards

just put 1 shard each from the 250% blenders into the blender at 100% and scale it up to 200%

[tough fiber]

yeah i think this will work. thank you!

[hushed trellis]

so it'd look something like this

[harsh cosmos]

What's the name of the website? @hushed trellis

[hushed trellis]

Satisfactory Layout Tool, or SaLT. u can download it from itch.io. only downside is there's no recipe text like in my screenshot, i put that there myself

[harsh cosmos]

ty

[fierce ruin]

can anyone help me with material cost for the advanced aluminum parts i would like for this not to cost 5000 oil as i dont believe there is that much even on the map for me to use

am i just wanting too much output

cause this is also a 27k MW factory

[prisma kraken]

you need to use the recycling loops for rubber & plastic to boost the yield; all-in-all MOST of the rubber that aluminum parts use is eaten by heatsinks

[fierce ruin]

i figured to just cut down on the out put i dont think there is a way to just completely remove it

[prisma kraken]

turbomotors are perhaps the most resource intensive part in the game. Out of the 3 recipes for them, the turbopressure alt is the cheapest at the expense of some more complexity

[fierce ruin]

i dont have access to alternates for turbo rn

[prisma kraken]

but you're dealing with endgame parts. they're designed to be pretty chonky things to create

[fierce ruin]

yea ill just have to cry i guess

however this process comes with an extreme amount of excess heavy oil residue

[fierce ruin]

which i did the math could make enough rocket fuel to create 385k MW

so i may not have to ever think of power again

[wind spade]

kMW doesn't exist, use GW

[fierce ruin]

i typed it as 385k you know 385000 there was a space there man

[wind spade]

well k still means kilo

so kilomegawatt or kilo megawatt is both still weird

[fierce ruin]

where tf do you live

i meant k as thousand

[wind spade]

in a world where SI units are a thing

yes, k = kilo = thousand of [whatever unit]

[fierce ruin]

ok?

[wind spade]

but SI system has only one prefix

you can't mix prefixes

and M is already a prefix (mega)

so MW is 1000000 watts

[fierce ruin]

i know that a caterium gen makes 250mw so i just multiplied that by 1542 to get 385000mw so i abreviated the 385000 sorry i didnt use all your nerd conversions

[wind spade]

those are taught on almost all schools afaik

[fierce ruin]

again where tf do you live

[wind spade]

europe?

[fierce ruin]

crazy

i live in the us

where we dont use the metric system

[wind spade]

well US doesn't use metric system that much (but afaik they still teach it)

[fierce ruin]

nope

[wind spade]

at least from the few people that I know from US

you should switch to metric anyway

[fierce ruin]

i have been taught it one time in one class only in 11th grade no other time

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[wind spade]

also, the same prefixes you most likely already know, because of things like kB/MB/GB (kilobyte, megabyte, gigabyte)

[fierce ruin]

ok and

https://tenor.com/view/who-asked-me-trying-to-find-who-asked-spongebob-spunch-bob-gif-22526294

[wind spade]

I did

[fierce ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[wind spade]

I guess you should stop with the gif spam 🤷

[scarlet kindle]

Tysm

[prisma kraken]

actually we do. and wonder all the time why people in the country insist on standard units

[umbral kraken]

you should be able to put a valve on the 240 acid out and limit it to 240 then you should not have any problems

[livid turret]

There is a thing with accounting sufixes that people tend to use where "k" equal thousands, "M" or "mm" equal millions and "Bn" equal billions. Due to the game not converting MW to any other measure it stands to reason that most folks use the accounting abbreviations of thousands and etc

Also not being engineers

If you read a power pole it will say 11,000 MW and I would write 11k MW

[fierce ruin]

thats what i did and i was wrong apparently

[tough fiber]

Tried that... there were still problems

[carmine fox]

I was never able to completely fix those problems which is why I don't build like that anymore

sad but that's how it is right now

[wind spade]

well the SI system is designed exactly for this 🤷 and if you asked mos people about 1000 MB, they'd tell you 1 GB 🙂

[umbral kraken]

did you have a pump after that before you connected it too the other line that was from the uranium cells?

[tough fiber]

I don't think so

[umbral kraken]

then you might be getting more sulfuric acid from the uranium cells than you think if not then you should probably do what the other guy said and separate the sulfur lines

[livid turret]

And they would be wrong because 1GB equals 1024 MB if we're going to be precise about SI but you could say 1k MB and still know it's a thousand MB.
The point is that it's not wrong to say 1k something referring to a thousand units of whatever

[wind spade]

1 GiB = 1024 Mib
1 GB = 1000 MB

bytes are weird when mixed with SI

[livid turret]

The point still stands, I could write 2k meters or 2 Kilometers and my first k would mean thousands and not kilo

[wind spade]

2k meters still reads as "2 kilometers" (or "2 kilo meters"), which is fine
the problem is if you'd do 2k km, because then it would be "2 kilokilometers"

and sure, maybe some accounting field uses different prefixes for numbers... but these are not just numbers, these are amounts of units, so this field is defined by SI units and should be used accordingly

[pine gazelle]

How many of the last project assembly piece (not spoiling) do I need to sink to get from 500 to 1000 AWESOME tickets?

[livid turret]

Suffixes exist to abbreviate numbers, using a bigger or lower measurement unit is optional

[vapid gorge]

Pumps are used for vips

And ‘entirely useless’ is a stretch. As I mentioned they have been used in some unreliable junctions and set ups where it works for some people and not for others without any real way to troubleshoot them.

So effectively useless since I would never recommend those things to people

[vapid gorge]

Miners and oil extractors ect get you more resources

Everything else is space savings so it’s a design issue

[wind spade]

SI prefixes exist to abbreviate numbers 🤷

[unborn dome]

It'd accurately be two megameters, and I don't know why we don't use this more often 😂

[plush marten]

for those who are making diamond what is the alt recipe that you guys are using ?

[opaque quartz]

I used pink diamonds because I had lots of available quartz to use

I believe oil diamonds are the most resource efficient?

[sand epoch]

Prefer basic myself :/

[prisma kraken]

turbodiamonds becomes the best at scale with blended tf

the annoying thing about it though is it eats fluid containers, so you need to set up some stout production of them as well

(good use for the compacted coal byproduct from rocket/ion fuel is to make steel cannisters)

[fallow siren]

@vapid gorge btw since im working with 8 pipes full 600/m rocket fuel, they are gas but do they still need loop?

if yes then what section i need to loop, is it right on the output of blender or around fuel gen? or both

[vapid gorge]

Often yes, and the inputs of what is consuming it

[fallow siren]

noted

thx

[steady gate]

wich one of these should i take cuz i honestly dont know the mathmatics behind nuclear properly yet

[wind spade]

all recipes are good for something and you can get both/all anyway

[steady gate]

true

[wind spade]

(and you don't need to select a recipe now anyway)

[steady gate]

i've been having a glitch where i cant get the last alt recipie saying there are no rewards available

figured it out

forgot to research a single thing in a MAM tree

[oblique hollow]

Better to pick nothing then and wait. Thats a valid move

Figure out nuclear a bit and then try and see if these 2 recipes could assist in your plans

[steady gate]

fair fair, i'll see if i can find another hard drive so i can just get both and not have to worry about it

[near zodiac]

I have two water extractors feeding five coal generators. I noticed recently that it was not enough, since 5 generators consume 250ml³ of water per minute, while the extractors were supplying 240ml³. So, I inserted a third water extractor, supplying that pipeline plus other two who had similar problems, so it would supply 40ml³ to each pipeline, having 280ml³ being transported in each pipeline. That would be enough for the five generators but one pipeline is still not being able to transport enough water.

The math isn't mathing

[amber umbra]

@steady gate For the final HDD research available at a given tech level, I’ve found restarting the game will show the HDD that is hidden. Idk the details of what causes it, but that workaround has been effective for me.

[steady gate]

i see i see

thank you ^^

[opaque quartz]

The standard ratio is 8 coal plants per three water extractors. But a single pipe mk1 can only carry 300 water max, so the arrangement of the plumbing matters

!wikisearch CG

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[oblique hollow]

5 generators use 225 m3/min
Not 250
You are looking at the wrong number

[vast mist]

I tend to just run more pipes so I stay below max capacity

[near zodiac]

No? Each generator consume 50m³ of water
50x5=250

[wind spade]

no, each generator consumes 45m3 of water

[vast mist]

it can store 50, because that's the stack size for fluids (in most buildings), but consumption is 45

[wind spade]

it literally even says "consumption" there 😉

[near zodiac]

how do I subtract stupidity from myself?

[vast mist]

one mistake at a time (as long as you learn from them)

[wind spade]

mistakes are normal. You only need to make sure to never repeat a same mistake twice

[near zodiac]

can't guarantee that

[wind spade]

well, at least try 🙂

[near zodiac]

I suffer from stupid

chronical stupidity

my problem still stands tho

[wind spade]

what's your problem?

[near zodiac]

water isn't reaching the coal powerplants

[wind spade]

show some images

[near zodiac]

of what exactly

[wind spade]

your piping

[near zodiac]

gotta pay me dinner first

[vast mist]

don't send unsolicited pictures of your pipe

[near zodiac]

can I send videos here?

[wind spade]

yeah but images are enough

[near zodiac]

pretty long pipeline

[wind spade]

or you can make a #1038092680493801533 thread, which will be even better

I'm mostly interested in coal gen piping

(and generally it's recommended to build the gens near water so that you don't do long pipes)

[vast mist]

any time I use a discord forum (in any server) it just feels like screaming into the void

[wind spade]

I feel that here you often get reply relatively quickly

[vast mist]

I'll have to try it sometime, but so far haven't needed to ask for help much

[wind spade]

the gens seem to be working though?

[near zodiac]

they start and then stop

[vast mist]

I would go ahead and tear those down tbh, rebuild them on a foundation on the water

[wind spade]

prefill the whole system before running it again

[near zodiac]

they were working fine until last night

I didn't change anything on them

then suddenly they stopped working

[near zodiac]

you mean make a foundation above the water here and put all of them there?

[vast mist]

yeah but like not way above; I feel like if you're using more than one pump you're taking the liquid further than necessary

it's just a lot easier to work with if you're right next to your source

transporting the coal is easier, as belts don't use power, or have finicky fluid dynamics

[near zodiac]

so, like this

[vast mist]

yeah that seems like a good spot to me, you won't even need any pumps

[near zodiac]

gotcha

do I leave the ones I have on the other place?

[vast mist]

do you have enough coal?

[near zodiac]

yup

[vast mist]

then I'd say just leave those for now and build these up in the meantime

then perhaps relocate the other ones once these are working

[near zodiac]

got two mk.2 fully overclocked coal miners working for me

[near zodiac]

I kinda wanna leave them there for aesthetic purposes

got used to looking at that mountain and seeing several coal gen up there

[vast mist]

you certainly can, but it does mean you'll have to figure out why they're having water troubles

when in doubt perhaps just add more extractors? you'll waste a little power but you'll be more certain the pipes are full

at least in my coal gen all of the pipes are 100% full all the time, it takes the uncertainty out of it

I don't really know what I'm doing, just that reducing the amount of possible failure points usually helps

[near zodiac]

I'm an efficiency enjoyer. Make the best with the least possible

I might take away a few coal gen from where they are now to put them in the lake tho

[vast mist]

I'd still recommend pumping in more water than necessary until all the pipes and buildings are full
you can remove the extra extractors afterwards

[near zodiac]

yeah I'm already on it

[unborn dome]

Does anyone remember, when Update 4 came out, what changed with aluminum production? I had a U3 aluminum factory and I can't recall how U4 broke it.

[wind spade]

just prefill with machines turned off

[grim crane]

Idk if this belongs here, but why isnt it taking the free one?

[wind spade]

trains always use the shortest path

[grim crane]

Even if its taken?

[wind spade]

always

[grim crane]

Thats stupid

[wind spade]

no, that's how the game works

(also spirals are very inefficient)

[grim crane]

Thats why i have two

[wind spade]

one ramp would be better than two spirals 🙂

[grim crane]

ik

But the spirals look better 😭

[wind spade]

but they will never use the other one, if they don't go in two different directions

eh, they look unrealistic

[grim crane]

I just think they cool

Cus this in the intersection for like 7 trains rn 😭

and a ramp might look bnad

but imma build one

I need my Bauxit Troughput

[wind spade]

then do a transfer station

[oblique hollow]

Just be careful with spirals, a train that manages to go up a ramp of equal steepness might not be able to climb a spiral if the weight is too big

[grim crane]

the spiral is one huge blocksection

You dont make a lift multiple blocks

[wind spade]

that also doesn't really help 🙂

[grim crane]

A stuck train also does not

I was just hoping the trains are smart

Cus this is also not short

[wind spade]

that just screams for a ramp 🙂

can even do it attached to the cliffside

[grim crane]

Yeah i will build one...

[grim crane]

Nah straight trough it goes

Ramp

[wind spade]

could look good if you're for looks

[grim crane]

oh god

imma just go straight
and find a solution later

[wind spade]

yeah straight is fine as well

[grim crane]

i just got blown up by a present ...

[sand epoch]

And got a free detonator and bombs..

[grim crane]

More like free brain damage
to my already brain damage i have from playing this game

[normal spruce]

There's actually a lot of real-world spiral viaducts used for railways.

Granted, not that tall.

[wind spade]

rarely more than one 360 turn and definitely not 24m radius

[normal spruce]

True.

They look gorgeous tho

[wary rapids]

spiral ramps like this are very effecient. im currently working on the train staion for this route.

[wind spade]

*inefficient

trains have to slow down and you're just going up, instead of up AND across in case of ramp

[wary rapids]

it seemed a fast drive. will clock the route soon.

[wind spade]

not compared to a ramp

[wary rapids]

im thinking it may be under 3 min

[versed violet]

Correct me if I'm wrong - assemblers do not have snap points for signs?

[wary rapids]

i thikink it looks like the train would slow down on that curve

im legitimately not sure if greeny is recommending to always go up without bends. then make curves on flat points.

[near zodiac]

the ratio for coal gen and water extractors is 8 to 3 right? But can one water extractor feed three coal gens?

[wind spade]

no

[wind spade]

without turns

trains slow down in turns

[wary rapids]

so your point is to aviod turning as much as possible.

less turns more speed

more speed less freght cars.

[wind spade]

or more throughput, yes

[amber umbra]

If you like train spirals, use train spirals. The 3D nature of satisfactory means that you can always run additional tracks making rail efficiency not a hard barrier.

[near zodiac]

So, I got 21 coal generators and 7 water extractors. Theoretically, this wouldn't be enough since the coal gens consume 45m³ of water per minute, times three is 135. One water extractor produces 120. But if I interconnect all 7 of them, I have 120/7 which is around 17,14. The extra amount of water needed for each extractor to produce enough water is 15, so I am producing 2,14m³extra out of that

if everything is correct, obviously

[wary rapids]

i see to you just added one extra on the end to make up the diffence.

[near zodiac]

I think I'll produce enough

gonna do a few and see

[near zodiac]

yep, it's working mighty fine

[wary rapids]

im happy this route averaged 2:43 in 3 trips.

[vapid gorge]

I mean... this will probably work, but mostly because coal gens are robust and can tolerate weird piping. I wouldn't do this with future pipes though

[zealous iris]

I have 4 pipes, each filled with 480 water, for 1920 total water. My factory requires 1600 water.

Is there a good, and efficient way to split off 140 water for another set of refineries making plastic?

Or would it be easier to just run another pipe with a dedicated water supply?

[wind spade]

yeah, one junction

[zealous iris]

Can you expand on that please? hehe

[wind spade]

put a junction on a pipe, connect a pipe from it to the plastic refineries

[zealous iris]

but if that one pipe of 480 is serving 4 blenders consuming 400 of the 480, the system will fail.

[wind spade]

well yeah, just connect it from a pipe that has 140 extra

[zealous iris]

thats my problem. each pipe that has 480 water is going to 2 blenders consuming 400 water.

so i have 4 pipes, each with 80 water surplus.

[wind spade]

if you need 400 water in a pipe, just put 400 water in it in the first place 🤷

much easier than dealing with issues like this

[zealous iris]

right, so back to my original solution which is just to bring in another pipe of water.

=/

If I joined all 4 pipes back together after the blenders, i wonder how well it would work, or probably not at all.

[wind spade]

pipe systems work best when as simple as possible and not interconnected

[wary rapids]

I see what your asking now_ MSD. just run another pipe. Splitting from your 4 blender lines and mergeing it into a new line introduces dozens of varibles that can go wrong. youll be way better off skiping all that.

[wary rapids]

for future reference you can always downclock water pumps. by manually inputting the amount you need. Then if you have a feeding problem on a water line a small amount over what you need can fix certain issues.

[fierce ruin]

how's this design for a belt compressor

it's scalable (sorta, lots of splitters needed though)

the design is you can take any number of throughputs from any belts as long as you start from the bottom and it'll compress perfectly

[knotty sedge]

Do you have access to smart splitters?

[fierce ruin]

yeah

i marked it as smart splitters

dym programmable, i have those too

[knotty sedge]

P sure you’re over complicating it lol, give me like 2 min to draw smth up quick

[fierce ruin]

I just want a more compact design that does the same thing

[fierce ruin]

yeah, I'm sure it can be optimized much further

[fierce ruin]

you can take any amount from the bottom belts and it'll compress, and that's the thing I want

[tired valve]

the numbers and ratios for aluminum (trying for 7020/min) are really doing my head in, really the liquids are just crazy to try to figure out and balance

[fierce ruin]

I also want it to be infinitely scalable, it's a bus belt segment design

[knotty sedge]

Don’t even bother trying to re-feed the water byproduct back into the original water line, it never works right

We need smart valves so badly

And smart mergers

[fierce ruin]

same thing but with iron ingots

[tired valve]

NOT A GOOD TIME TO TELL ME SUCH THINGS

[low ember]

Not sure if I am understanding your design right but I dont think you even need these

[fierce ruin]

the design is to source 4800 iron ore per minute

and 1200 copper ore per minute

combine them to make 9000 iron ingots per minute then source an extra 360 from somewhere else to fill 12 entire mk5 belts

[knotty sedge]

Eh fuck it, ykw? Just watch the short GamingWithDoc or whatever his name is posted on the compressor

[fierce ruin]

these are necessary actually, say I take more than 1 belt, like, maybe all of the first belt and half of the second belt

[tired valve]

What do you even do with the water by-product then? I keep confusing myself on fluid logic for the sloppy alumina at this point tbh, needs 18 pipes to get it all out but then 23 pipes to use it all and i keep locking myself up trying to figure how to split that while maintaining throughpout

[fierce ruin]

run that scenario through your head and you'd realize that the bottom belt would have 50% throughput

[knotty sedge]

Wet concrete, pure ingots, smth with quartz I think, coal power plants, nuclear power plants, etc

[fierce ruin]

and that is NOT good.

because it isn't compressing properly

I do want to make it more compact but I don't want to make it less effective

plus, once my math shows a belt will be empty, I can just remove the "top" belt and get away with smaller pyramids

[knotty sedge]

Are the belts all going to be mostly full or are some of them gonna be somewhat empty?

[tired valve]

True, good points.

[fierce ruin]

the idea here is I can source a mk4 belt from the bottom belt and a mk3 belt from the second bottom belt (the bus belts are all mk5), and it'll still compress properly

wait no that's fine

[knotty sedge]

P much just check the codex and see what waters used in and what resources you’ve got nearby

[fierce ruin]

what I meant was a mk4 belt from the bottom belt, a mk3 belt and a mk2 belt from the second bottom belt

or maybe a mk4 and mk3 from the bottom and a mk2 belt from the second bottom

I want it to still compress properly

the only partially filled belt should be the top belt

[tired valve]

Anyone have a suggestion/link/video for a good way to "balance" liquids? like for example sending sloppy alumina to refinery? e.g. say you have 5 fully saturated mk2 pipes worth and want to distribute it evenly to refineries (so that'd be like 17 refineries)

[wet python]

use small groups of refineries and underclock/overclock them to set the exact ratio

[fierce ruin]

also I have developed a disdain for large prime numbers

f*ck 7, f*ck 11, f*ck 13

i hate them with a burning passion and these numbers should burn

(i am pissed at the pure iron ingots recipe lmao)

[tired valve]

but like you cant just use a splitter for 1 pipe, would you just run all 5 pipes down the length of the refinery row and at some point have them loop into each other

[knotty sedge]

Bc there’s no perfectly even splitters like there are for conveyor belts I don’t think it’s really possible, so a manifold type input is really your only option. I’d recommend having having multiple input points, though

[fierce ruin]

Pure iron ingots: you get free stuff, but the input and output ratio are both prime numbers

"enjoy"

[knotty sedge]

Tempered > pure

[fierce ruin]

nah don't got oil near my iron ingots

using alloy

it's pretty alright, just need to supplement it a little and it'll be fine

new problem: I have no copper :(

solution: pure copper is amazing

[knotty sedge]

I always try to get my copper figured out before my iron bc coppers so much harder to get a ton of

[fierce ruin]

i'll just source some copper ore on a choo choo train

[tired valve]

so in theory assume each set of 2 splitters is a new row of Refineries.. you could obviously do this but each individual pipe despite the number of splitters cant be fed more than 600m3 of liquid correct?

[fierce ruin]

copper's also used less

[knotty sedge]

The ratio for the iron and copper alloys are soooo unbalanced

[fierce ruin]

I have iron wire and steamed copper sheets

[knotty sedge]

nuclear pasta has entered the chat

[fierce ruin]

and 9360 iron gotta be enough for anyone really

[knotty sedge]

any late game recipe involving wire has entered the chat

[fierce ruin]

solution: get copper elsewhere

lots of copper in grass plains

[knotty sedge]

You’d need 2 or 3 nodes to get enough copper powder

[fierce ruin]

pure nodes?

[knotty sedge]

30 ingots -> 5 powder at 50/min, 100/min needed to make 0.5 nuclear pasta/min. which translates to 600 copper ingots/min, on top of everything you need to make pressure conversion cubes

[fierce ruin]

that is f*cking easy, 600

a normal node can produce exactly 600 with my current setup

mk2 overclocked to 200% plus pure copper ingots

[knotty sedge]

For 0.5 pasta/min. you need over 1000 for phase 5, 100 for phase 4

[fierce ruin]

a pure node can produce me 1200 with just mk2 miners

[knotty sedge]

On top of everything for pressure conversion cubes, which are a nightmare in an of themselves

[fierce ruin]

2400 ingots with mk3 miners

with a singular pure node

[knotty sedge]

Pressure conversion cube: fused modular frames and radio control units

[fierce ruin]

and there's 3 pure nodes in the northern forest and 2 normal nodes that I haven't used yet in the northern rocky desert

[low ember]

Nuclear pasta sure is fun

[knotty sedge]

Ikr

So glad I’m done with that, just need enough to make the ballistic warp drives

[fierce ruin]

4 pure node equivalents is equal to 9600 copper ingots per minute with 200% mk3 miners

that's oughta be enough for any ravioli

[knotty sedge]

Which thankfully im making

[low ember]

I aint even automating those tbh

[knotty sedge]

Me neither lol

[fierce ruin]

man I need more workers

[knotty sedge]

Just shoving the ingredients into a bunch of storage containers and waiting

[low ember]

Yup

Though I would like the ticket points from an automated factory ngl

[knotty sedge]

Keep in mind how many you need for everything else leading up to nuclear pasta. You need hundreds of wire/min, copper sheets probably, and a ton of alclad aluminum sheets

[fierce ruin]

i have steamed sheets

and fused wire, just need pure caterium

[knotty sedge]

The caterium wire that uses copper in it is almost necessary at points to produce enough wire

[fierce ruin]

fused quickwire?

[knotty sedge]

Ye

[fierce ruin]

fused quickwire or fused wire

i mean, I have iron wire, which isn't exactly too efficient but I'd have enough iron

because the 9360 is only mk2 miners with 200% OC

mk3 miners with 200% OC would double that to 18.72k

so... probably enough

plus I'm only at late tier 6 (just need to get the MEs and ACUs)

currently building stuff for futureproofing

[knotty sedge]

To have one manufacturer making radio control units you need 7.5 HSCs/min for imo the most efficient recipe, and you need at minimum 90qw/min to make only 3 HSCs/min. and you need to be making a lot more than one machines worth of radio control units

[fierce ruin]

qw?

quickwire? im dumb

[knotty sedge]

P sure one of my setups somewhere needs about 1k qw/min

[knotty sedge]

Yeah, and HSCs are high speed connectors

[fierce ruin]

fortunately I have 2 pure caterium veins

should be enough for now...

[fierce ruin]

currently my factory is a centralized modular factory and little factories uploading building materials

got one just casually uploading 120 reIPs per minute

should be enough for building, and 120 IPs per minute too

and 120 iron rods per minute

and I still have to make a factory that uploads copper sheets and wires, and cables

[vapid gorge]

whaaaaat are you trying to do here?

you effectively cannot balance liquids, they are bi directional, you're creating a nightmare for yourself

[knotty sedge]

And you should avoid valves at all costs 👍

[tired valve]

Essentially trying to figure out how to get 8424 alumina solution (needs 14.04 mk2 pipes, so 15 pipes) to be used in 47 refineries lol

so for example, if not overclocked, 3 refineries use 540 alumina solution, so a fully saturated pipe has 60 leftover, and i cant figure out how to make sure that makes its way to the remaining pipes which will proceed on to further refineries

[strong falcon]

What are the smelter miner ratios? i thought it was 1 to 1 but online it said it was 4 to 1 but those where also way off

im using tier 2 belts for the main belts where everything conjoins 4 smelts and 3 miners. Seems to be over producing ore tho.

[vapid gorge]

don't do ratios of machines, you can clock machines to process whatever amoutns yo uneed

[vapid gorge]

your approach is... gonna cause issues.

what you really want to is create seperate chunks and process them like that, not do 1 big systems

[tired valve]

yeah i think ive made a blunder here, at least for aluminum. i made a few small systems and it was fine because it balanced fairly easily so i thought "cool just scale that up to 9 full mk5 belts" and it's bee probably close to 12 hours of trying to figure out how to "balance" these fluid outputs

[vapid gorge]

yeah fluids need a careful hand, pipes are absolutely not belts.

if you've played mine craft think about them more like redstone, needing an appropriate layout and connection system for it to work properly

for example this is 1 unit processing 780 bauxite to scrap

in this image the blue lined pipe is fresh water and the red line is the waste water

it's self contained, not connected to any other system and outputs scrap.

[tired valve]

like i have 36 refineries outputting alumina solution and that's really the point where the trouble began since the outputs per machine start getting high and you need like 18 pipes to handle all that output, and you cant exactly just connect them all together and manifold it out lol

[vapid gorge]

yeah thats why you immediately process the solution

[fierce ruin]

isn’t EA, blizzard, and riot much worse

[vapid gorge]

in the example above each of those solution refineries feeds directly 1 refinery.

I believe this is the clocking I used in this example with the sloppy solution and electrode scrap recipe

[fierce ruin]

oh wait i have apparently barged into an intellectual conversation

i should really stop shitposting before confirming that the conversation isn’t an actual discussion

[tired valve]

i dont know if you saw my photo above earlier but this is what im referring to when i say "i cant figure out balancing the alumina solution" lmao

[fierce ruin]

oh dear

use a water tower

pull one pipe up, let it fall down

link it to all the other pipes

[strong falcon]

sounds good

[vapid gorge]

pls don't use a water tower, just use pumps like a sane person

[tired valve]

like in theory this insanity could work if you ran all 18 pipes the entire length of the refineries and kept merging them with junctions or something lol. im trying to salvage it but..

[vapid gorge]

I wouldn't. this system has water waste and it's a pain to deal with if you aren't neat and tidy. And patching fluid systems is often more work

make a blue print not dissimilar to the examples I've given you, you'll be able to rebuild things quickly

[knotty sedge]

Liquids are gonna be the death of me I swear

We need smart junctions

Both as smart mergers and splitters

[vapid gorge]

woudlnt' do anything fluids are bi directional.

also if you want simple reliable fluid systems here's some basic rules to follow #math-and-meta message

[knotty sedge]

Make them act as valves at the same time

[tired valve]

yeah @vapid gorge im gonna take a look and maybe just go sky high with blueprinting it. mashing all the materials floor by floor has been a nightmare for this particular recipe

[vapid gorge]

valves also don't stop back flow - so again - they would do nothing

[knotty sedge]

fuck

[vapid gorge]

seriously - read and save the link. it's a simple step by step description to have consistent reliable piping

[knotty sedge]

I mean yeah I could do that, but have you ever considered

[vapid gorge]

verticality in pipes is fine as long as it isn't part of the manifold

[hushed trellis]

this is gonna be a pain to split

o nvm i got it :v

[opaque quartz]

Clock one at 125% and the other at 83.3333% easy

[hushed trellis]

or just do this funky thing

[opaque quartz]

Sure if you want to. It’s not necessary tho

[hushed trellis]

i like when things r perfect, no overflow, no underflow

gets inconvenient as hell in most games but what can u do

[opaque quartz]

Hence why clocking the constructors to the exact rate you need and it will use exactly that

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[vapid gorge]

1 splitter

and it self balances so it 'perfectly' fills machines

[fallow siren]

i finally turned on my rf plant, doing it each section so it wont crash my power grid

[opaque quartz]

Hell yeah. Remember to let the pipes and generators flood before you turn them on

[buoyant wren]

What website did you use for this?

[vapid gorge]

Satisfactorytools.com

[fallow siren]

ok the system is running fine so far, looking good, peak production should be around 350GW

[hushed trellis]

yea but eventually one will overflow while the other's slightly slow, it relies on overflowing from one end

[tardy mesa]

how many rotors are too many rotors?

[hushed trellis]

there's no such thing as too many in satisfactory

[vapid gorge]

It still perfectly restricts flow and is 100% efficient

[fluid mist]

would 20 assemblers use more power than 10 at 200%?

[vapid gorge]

No, ocing a system will overall use more power. But not much

[fluid mist]

thank you

[hushed trellis]

vice versa, an assembler at 200% uses more energy than 2 assemblers at 100% by 7.5 MW

[fluid mist]

Very helpful, thank you

[jovial jacinth]

Ironically, however, miner at 200% uses less power than the next tier higher miner at 100% (so both have the same ore/min)

[gray trail]

Yeah for example Mk1 250% 16.8 MW, Mk2 125% 20.1 MW, Mk3 62.5% 24.2 MW

-8 MW, someone call CSS right meow

[ionic wave]

it is more power shards tho….
plus by the time that power shards aren’t a problem the excess 8 mw might as well be a rounding error

[gray trail]

It's not a problem, just interesting

[vapid gorge]

you can make like.... 4000 shards just from slugs across the map

but also the power saved on ocing mk2 miner is basically nothing

[ionic wave]

i’m lazy :3c

[vapid gorge]

then why did you pick a game that's a job 😛

[ionic wave]

you got me there :<

[vast mist]

up there is recycled water, below is fresh water
do these valves serve a purpose? the idea is that it'll evenly distribute fresh water into the loops above, while keeping each loop separated

[vapid gorge]

are these connected to fresh water?

[vast mist]

the bottom pipe is, the top pipes go from electrode scrap in the front back into sloppy alumina in the back

so per set of machiens it's 105 recycled, 45 fresh water
9 sets next to each other means in total it'd be too much to fit through a mk2 pipe, but it doesn't need to because the waste water is kept closed loop in each set of machines

[vapid gorge]

sorry just to be clear , you have waste water merging wit hfresh wateR?

if so I can basically guarantee this won't work

[vast mist]

the math to make an integer number of machines work off of purely waste water would require I produce 4800 aluminum; I need 1350

[vapid gorge]

math is (probably) not an issue, it'll be flow

[vast mist]

I've built with mixing water plenty before and had no issues so far, so I'm not looking for this particular bit of advice

[vapid gorge]

ok good luck

[vast mist]

anyway, alternatively to having fresh water on the bottom and sealed off with valves, I could just hook em up the simple way, but I figure that'll cause issues since the total of flow in the system will be a lot

I guess I'll go with the first approach and just find out what happens ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[opaque quartz]

valves do not prevent backflow

this is the main issue with recycle water loops

[vapid gorge]

there's very unreliable systems that people have made which often don't work that inclue a valve and a buffer. Trouble is that when they don't work there really isn't any logical trouble shooting method for it

small differences in length of pipe, elevation or even how full things get can make it wonk

[oblique hollow]

the main problem isnt backflow

the main problem with merging fresh and recycled water is that the system really really wants to fill up with water because that is in fact the most stable state

when you really dont want that to happen

[vast mist]

so long as I make sure to use up all of the scrap, that will never happen though right?
my other aluminum factory works similarly and hasn't broken after dozens of hours

[oblique hollow]

why is waterlogging the most stable equilibrium for these systems?
Well, when you go through all points:

1. wrong type of pipe mk or belt mk used somewhere? Waterlogging.
2. insufficient bauxite? waterlogging (due to missing capacity to deal with water)
3. insufficient coal or coke? waterlogging (due to missing capacity to deal with alumina)
4. insufficient capacity to process aluminum scrap? Waterlogging (due to decreased capacity for dealing with alumina)

every single possible state points to the system wanting to clog itself with water

[oblique hollow]

did the other system also have the fresh water inserted from below?

[vast mist]

in that one it's pumped all the way up first, then flows down
because each set of machines had its own floor

[oblique hollow]

you accidentally built a fluid priority circuit in the first image

when you have 2 junctions above each other, the lower one has input priority

and so fresh water had priority

[vast mist]

wait what?? I built the fresh water below so the waste water would have priority, because like.. gravity

[oblique hollow]

yeah no

thats not how it works out

[vast mist]

why not?

[oblique hollow]

because pipes are weird and it just does this

we dont know why

[vast mist]

great

[opaque quartz]

yeah, this is how my aluminum factories work (VIP junction, valve, pump). wouldn't recommend it though, I only have it cuz I used Nialus' blueprint

[oblique hollow]

keeping the water seperate is usually preferable
you dont need to find some integer number of machines

[vapid gorge]

yeah they can work, but when they don't it's a pain

[oblique hollow]

all that matters is that you preserve the ratio of refineries that exclusively use byroduct water to the number of refineries using fresh water

[vast mist]

I know that I could make it work with underclocking but the numbers would be really ugly, so I don't wanna

if this was like a real life nuclear reactor I'd put my preferences aside, but it's a video game so I want a different compromise

[oblique hollow]

you could throw me all the numbers for your factory and i could try to give you the most simple option

[vast mist]

uh sure, I've got 1350 bauxite that needs to become ingots, using sloppy alumina and electrode scrap

at the moment I'm doing this with 9 pairs of machines in a minimal footprint

[oblique hollow]

funny enough aluminum processing in this game wants the same kind of safety as nuclear reactors:
Having passive process safety and fail-safes are prefered because active systems arent reliable

[oblique hollow]

eh, its not that bad actually:
you need the 9 scrap refineries still
6 alumina refineries at 75%, one refinery at 22.5% making alumina from exclusively byproduct water.
and one refinery sitting at 45% making alumina from fresh water

if i didnt mess up the numbers completely now

oh wait bauxite limit....

no wait

its correct

uses exactly 1350 bauxite

so you can keep 6 pairs in tact

agh why do i keep tripping over numbers...

oh right

got it now.
its 8 refineries at 75% and one at 30%

[vast mist]

sorry didn't respond, was hooking everything up for testing

[oblique hollow]

i HOPE i got the numbers right now.
I will admit that its a bit difficult to work it out

[vast mist]

here's the system with my configuration with the valves, it works and will probably continue to work forever, so long as nothing disrupts the inputs and outputs

I'll tear it down and build your system as well; doesn't take too long with blueprints

[oblique hollow]

i specifically took your configuration of the pairs into mind

so most pairs can be left as is, just need to adjust like 2 refineries and redo the pipes a bit

[vast mist]

I'll have to redo the piping yeah, I suppose I can leave the machines as they are

right now the piping is really simple, which I like

let's see if I can build your approach with my limited mental capacity

to start I'll take your numbers and put em in satisfactory modeler to get a better understanding

initially I wanted to use instant scrap, same ratios and no waste water issues (the blender produces exactly enough water for the refinery, just need to pump in some water to get it started)
but the coal and sulphur are further away than the coal, and I didn't know how to make refineries and blenders work together aesthetically (different width and height means I can't build a neat grid)

[oblique hollow]

yeah hold on im still checking the numbers

I hope im done checking them for the third time soon 💀

[vast mist]

I'm actually not sure how to interpret them, need more words around the numbers to make sense of it

[vast mist]

I'd probably go with 7 refineries at 67.5% each, because I like when things run the same speed (keep in mind I'm load balancing the bauxite)

[oblique hollow]

i thought you would want all scrap refineries to be fed 1:1 by alumina refineries if possible

[vast mist]

I'm also load balancing the coke, but it's easier there because I can just use a manifold throttled with mk1 belts so each machines gets the 60 it needs

oh I see, yes that would be preferred; more important than the other thing because keeping pipes simple has priority

[oblique hollow]

Ok.... i think i now have it

so....
in order to consume 1350/min bauxite, you need:
6 Sloppy alumina refineries running at 75% and 1 running at 22.5%.
these will ONLY receive byproduct water from the 9 scrap refineries

then 2 extra alumina refineries at 75% and 1 at 52.5%
these only get freshwater

so, you can keep 8 pairs in tact

(alumina to bauxite refinery pairs)

[vast mist]

here it is represented as nodes; doesn't show the reality of underclocking

the 4.725 machines are supposed to be 6 at 75% and one at 22.5%

[oblique hollow]

yes

exactly

4.725 / 0.75 = 6.3
so 6 x 65% and 0.3 x 75%, which is 22.5%

[vast mist]

in the meantime my system took only a few minutes to get waterlogged

dunno where exactly it failed, which I suppose is why people don't usually encourage mixing water

zero issues at my other factory tho so I'm not tearing that one down

[oblique hollow]

yeah its just generally not a stable system.
it wants to waterlog really badly

it only works if everything was right from the very beginning

the benefit of keeping it seperate is that you dont have to care if the water extractors are clocked a bit too fast

as the water cycles are seperate

what i wanted to mention:
the alumina refneriy at 22.5% and the one at 52.5% can both be paired up with one scrap refinery

i will try to draw an image real quick

[oblique hollow]

there
i intentionally drew 2 blue lines for the byproduct water as it is 945/min, so this requires at least 2 mk 2 pipes

as you can see, only one pair needs to be changed so it can have 2 alumina refineries

this effectively also means that the amount of alumina refineries gets split 70% / 30% when it comes to byproduct water and fresh water

[thorn bane]

why the 75% instead of manifolding at 100%?

[oblique hollow]

so you can have 1:1 scrap to alumina refinery

else you would need to pipe the alumina differently

[thorn bane]

just connect it all imo

[vast mist]

this is actually a pretty small change to the layout and logistics, while making a big impact on safety, I'm impressed

[oblique hollow]

if you want you CAN cross-connect all the alumina pipes

but it should work fine either way

[vast mist]

luckily I don't want to do that

I don't love having a hole there, and the fact it won't line up neatly with my smelters and constructors anymore is also a bit sad, but I think I can live with it

[oblique hollow]

in regards to load balancing:
it also only changes a single belt to a funny 30/70 ratio

so you can load balance all belts as usual

but one belt (the one that feeds the "split" refinery) should probably be a smart splitter

[vast mist]

I can probably just build a little thing with splitters that puts out the right ratio
3 to 7 isn't the easiest but it's hardly impossible; I'll also look into what can be achieved through carefully choosing belt speeds

[oblique hollow]

its luckily just one output belt from the balancer that needs an extra balancer

or, for safety reasons, you can use a smart splitter that prioritizes the refinery at 22.5%

so that if there is a bauxite supply issue, that one preferably gets the bauxite

in order to ensure that byproduct water keeps being processed

[vast mist]

yeah that'll work too I suppose; makes sense prioritizing the fresh water one

[oblique hollow]

oh no this is priority for the byproduct water one

the dark blue pipes are all byproduct water after all

[vast mist]

in terms of splitting I could smart splitter a priority 60, then take 3/4 of that to the 22.5 refinery and merge the rest with the overflow from the smart splitter
but yeah just prioritizing the 22.5 refinery is fine too

[vast mist]

oh I misread that

[oblique hollow]

either way, im surprised myself at how minimal of an adjustment this is

its basically just "add one refinery, change 2 clock speeds, redo the pipes and 2 belts"

and thats it

[vast mist]

I am curious if there will be any trouble piping the waste water back, since it's no longer 105 per pipe but instead a jumble of the outputs of all machines, which adds up to way more than 600

does simply running a couple pipes back into the water manifold at the inputs of the waste processing machines do the trick? (at different points so they don't all bottleneck on one side of the factory)

[oblique hollow]

hmmm thinking about it...
you COULD still run every pipe back individually

and then simply have a big manifold

this in essence

means you can reuse more of your pipes

[vast mist]

there'd be junctions at both the scrap outputs and the alumina inputs?
currently there's only one junction per set of machines, somewhere in the middle

[oblique hollow]

you cant really work out a reasonable ratio as 105 to 150 is a terrible relation

[oblique hollow]

oh wait sorry

[vast mist]

that's what I'm saying! it's horrible and I hope none of the nuclear or later recipes end up with numbers like this

[oblique hollow]

there, corrected

[oblique hollow]

all of those have better numbers actually

[vast mist]

thank god

[oblique hollow]

its exclusively electrode scrap that has this multiple of 7

[vast mist]

I'm still on the fence about using instant scrap; probably won't for this factory (fused modular frames) because you already did so much work for me, but I will do it for the next one (radio control units)
I enjoyed using it in my battery factory, but there I only needed one of each machine to meet demands, and didn't care about aesthetics

[oblique hollow]

Instant scrap has always been very decent.
1.0 introduced more sulfur and, more interestingly, ||ore alchemy||

[vast mist]

oh yeah I'm aware of that use of SAM, though I haven't used it for anything but depos in my playthrough yet, because I'm still on phase 4

[oblique hollow]

instant uses the least water and has the "cutest" water cycle, namely a 1:1 cycle when it comes to the byproduct water to sulfuric acid

[vast mist]

exactly, the simplicity of the water is why I like it

[oblique hollow]

the only real pain of instant is of course sourcing the coal and sulfur

[vast mist]

I could source it, it's not much further than the oil I'm using now

but I'm already committed to refineries now for this factory

[oblique hollow]

if you already have an aluminum setup then switching over is pointless, ye
both have the same efficiency anyway

[vast mist]

oh I don't have an aluminum setup here, like I'll need to tear it all down regardless

not gonna fit anything in between these refineries

I wasn't kidding when I said minimal footprint

the only reason they're not closer together horizontally is because I couldn't cram the smelters and constructors more

[oblique hollow]

ah, fair

[vast mist]

like so

but tearing it all down is no issue, I expect to do it several times while I plan the layout and logistics

you can see how having a hole where an electrode scrap refinery should be could cause issues with the aesthetic

but it's okay, I'll figure something else out

I wish I had a larger blueprint designer, something that could fit both the alumina and the scrap refineries

I guess I could... combine the 22.5 and 52.5 into one refinery fed with only fresh water, then take the little bit of excess water and package that into a sink
I mean it's a bit lame but oil isn't an issue and it'd fix the hole in the layout, as well as make designing the blueprints easier

or I could like, package and unpackage in a loop hidden in the basement to act as a valve (except functional), sending over the 45 excess water from the waste water side to the fresh water side
does require the water extractors are dialed in, but they're going to be anyway

[thorn bane]

could also do 1 at 97.5% and combine the 2 alumina pipes

[vast mist]

like this?

[oblique hollow]

well that could work

that way you once again have just 9 refineries

[vast mist]

intesting

as god intended

does mean I'll have to adjust the load balancer at the start; right now I've got 3 belts with 450 each; this would need the middle belt to get a little more and the right belt to get a little less (each belt feeds 3 machines)

[oblique hollow]

yeah thats a downside of this: machine number is now just 9 again, but the belt balancing gets more complex

[vast mist]

I think I might be willing to make that sacrifice, because I'm hiding that part of the logistics

meanwhile the 9 lifts of scrap to the next floor will be proudly displayed, followed by 9 lifts of casings for the next floor

[oblique hollow]

bleh, that machine needs 195/min

thats a multiple of 13

[patent blaze]

:despair:

[oblique hollow]

[vast mist]

take 60 with a mk1 belt, split into 30/15/15, merge 15 with the overflow and add 45 to the higher speed machine

[oblique hollow]

yeah adding 45 to 150 works if you can pull it off

[patent blaze]

13*96 is 1248 and then overflow the excess into a sink

[oblique hollow]

oh not its just this one machine

[vast mist]

using belt speeds to your advantage has been a game changer for me

[vapid gorge]

🍿

[oblique hollow]

all others are a neat 150/min (for the most part)

[patent blaze]

using only mk6 and manifolding my entire world

[vast mist]

that's also allowed

[patent blaze]

i do see how they'd be useful though

[vast mist]

there, the 115 goes to the 52.5% machine while the 45 gets merged into the 97.5% machine

normally I build it much smaller, but it'd be confusing if you can't see the belts

[vapid gorge]

in general using your fastest belt fills manifolds fastest so it's good?

[vast mist]

like this for example if I wanted to keep it flat (signs for illustration purposes, I normally just remember which ports do what)

the left merger outputs 45 and the right outputs whatever's left (in this case 115)

this method makes load balancing much easier for large amounts of machines or tricky numbers, since you can just treat it as a manifold and the belts balance themselves via throttling (priority splitter into slow belt)

[patent blaze]

load balancers are tricky

especially past 6 inputs and outputs

[vast mist]

for example in my heavy modular frame factory I have 60 machines making pipes from 1800 ingots, all "load balanced" using a throttled manifold

since each machine uses 30 ingots, I just pair them up, fed from mk1 belts

only 60 can make it on the belt, the rest goes to the next pair

[vapid gorge]

and unless you just like fancy belts, pointless

[vast mist]

I like fancy belts :)

when the math all works out and everything is flowing smoothly, it's satisfactory

but nothing against regular manifolds, I use them all the time

saves a lot of effort for factories I care less about

it depends on whether the factory is the means or the end

sometimes I just want some bombs and bullets and I want them now
you're lucky if I even use foundations, let alone avoid clipping, or spend weeks decorating

and sometimes I want a big beautiful tower I can be proud of

[vast mist]

anyway before I head off I wanted to say thanks @oblique hollow for helping me with my piping ratios so I don't need to mix fresh water and waste water, and thanks @thorn bane for coming up with the idea to combine the 22.5% refinery with another one so I didn't have to alter my floor plan

[oblique hollow]

hopefully it works out well, this one was a bit of an experiment in all honesty

[vast mist]

I'll report back when it's up and running, in the meantime I'll stop hogging the channel and go to bed

[tired valve]

@vapid gorge sooooooooooo i tried the original plan to make 7020 aluminum from the same mass movement of fluids anyway LOL

[vapid gorge]

rest in peace

[tired valve]

it's "working?" but i think i need a solid half hour to saturate all the pipes, filling those 18x 50m with alumina solution before electrode scrap wastewater flows in is taking forever

in the future ill never ever do this again however

[oblique venture]

Why does nuclear pasta provide more point then singularity cells

By a factor of 5

[fickle scaffold]

What's better power wise, when I need 1.5x production.

1. Overclocking single machine to 150%
2. Building 2 machines with 1 underclocked to 50%

[opaque quartz]

Two machines at 75% each

[fickle scaffold]

Does that matter? I thought it's cumulative stats that matter

[opaque quartz]

idk, might be a wash. Having the machines match feels cleaner tho

How tight are you on power?

Cuz you could do something silly like 15 machines at 10% each

[crimson summit]

Thanks to Iron Alloy Ingots alt recipe, I'm making 450 ingots/min (Mk.1 mines)
But... I don't know what to build with all of it. And when it goes up to 900/min (Mk.2 mines) it'll be too much.
Should I overproduce 1 item type in this location, or try to get a bit of everything?

[shut cedar]

in the early stages just make whatever you want. mk.3 miners overclocked with leached alt recipe gives 2400 ingots per minute and thats still not enough. just depends on what you need or what to do

[fickle scaffold]

Mainly asking for future

As I'm just establishing coal atm

[shut cedar]

2 machines at 75% is better power wise, the more the better. he is right 15 machines at 10% is the best on power or 150 machines at 1% is the best best

[shut cedar]

1 pasta makes 10 cells

[vapid gorge]

If you’re building to power limitations you’re building wrong.

It’s very easy to have more power than you’ll ever need

[remote flame]

Since it's the math-and-meta channel, the formula for power usage in any machine is; [Located directly on the wiki under Power Amplification or Clock speed]
MW Usage = DefaultMW x AmplifiedMW x (Clockspeed/100)^log_2(2.5)

Where:
DefaultMW - the standard, 100% clockspeed power draw of the machine you wish to calculate (4MW Constructor, 15MW Assembler, etc)
AmplifiedMW - The effects of somersloop boosting the machines output on power consumption. This has the formula (1 + SlotsFilled/Total slots)^2 (A constructor has 1 slot for 1 sloop total, Assembler has 2 somersloop slots, Manufacturer 4, etc)
Clockspeed - Fairly self explanatory, the clockspeed you desire to set the machine to.
You don't have to use log_2(2.5), it's common to just say its rounded down form of 1.321928, but it refers to needing 2.5x more power to double the output of the machine (200% clockspeed).

So in your case, A single machine (constructor 4MW, assembler 15MW, manufacturer 50MW) clocked to 150% equals approx. 6.84MW, 25.64MW, 85.46MW respectively.
Having 1 machine set to 100%, one to 50% = 5.6MW, 21MW, 70MW respectively.
Having 2 machines set to 75% = 5.47MW, 20.51MW, 68.37MW respectively.
Having 150 Machines set to 1% = 1.36MW, 5.11MW, 17MW respectively. Extreme case, but if you are concerned on power, I suppose you could do this... for some reason..

When you get to machines that have power fluctuations, some power like having their consumption graphs 'relatively flat' just for personal reasons, so they may underclock the machines a long way in that regard, or for the sake of logistics, whichever prevails

tldr; Power consumption is not Linear. The amount of MW difference is really negligible until you start getting in to manufacturers and beyond, and even so by the time you get to that point the easiest solution is just build a power grid that is big enough to support whatever you desire. I'd recommend designing factories that tailor towards simple logistics, rather than power consumption 🙂

[crimson summit]

• the exception is when you're still relying on Biomass Burners.

[plush gulch]

You could have saved 34 pumps lol

[tired valve]

Nah those are all pumping alumina solution up, water gravity feeds down from the opposite side - unless I’m misunderstanding which part you’re referring to haha

[fickle scaffold]

How many coal gens can I run with 120 compacted coal?

I've read that 50 gets you exactly 7 coal generators