math-and-meta

[burnt musk]

yes

[spice ether]

you say total intake should be 480/min are u talking oil to rubber/plastic? cus thatd be 600/min

[vapid gorge]

ok so if the bottom refineries are starving yoru plastic and rubber should be stuttering on and off if the math is right, right?

[burnt musk]

yes byproduct is not an issue

[vapid gorge]

if the byproduct isnt backing up then you're consuming too much HOR

[burnt musk]

no the only thing that is studdering is my flow rate of hevy oil

[vapid gorge]

... if it's backing up then the HOR producers should be getting clogged. One of hte many reasons to remove the buffer

can cause and or hide problems

[burnt musk]

HOR?

[vapid gorge]

heavy oil residue

so yeah, run it w/o the buffer, see if the plastic/rubber refs are backing up

[burnt musk]

trying that now

[spice ether]

600 oil/min should net you 200 plastioc/min, 200 rubber/min which also makes 300 HOR/min which u can then make into 200 fuel/min w 5 refineries

[vapid gorge]

cause either

a) they are backing up as there's a flow issue getting to the fuel producers
b) they aren't backing up and it means your math / clocking is off

those are the main causes to this sort of thing.

first step to trouble shooting pipes? figure out if it's A or B

[burnt musk]

im going to go with option A. i took out the buffer and the flow rate of the connecting pipe is stuck at 350ish

[vapid gorge]

I wouldn't totally trust just flow reading but yeah that's an indication. You can post some overhead shots of the set up. Next step.

[burnt musk]

copy will try to do so, also hiting another potential problem area

[vapid gorge]

honestly I'd guess you probably need to loop your HOR feed pipe like this

but there could be other issues. Layout and elevation changes make a huge difference

[burnt musk]

i tryed that as wall and they were still starving

for some reason even though the math says i should be outputing 600 HOR/Min the flow rate says otherwise

[knotty siren]

Feed from a higher elevation?

[burnt musk]

so one thing i did just chnge is all piping is now on the same level

[knotty siren]

If possible that is

[vapid gorge]

yeah really need images

it's nearly impossible to diagnose pipes w/o them

[burnt musk]

let me know if this works

[vapid gorge]

there's a lot more going on here but try to replicate the loop I shared with you exactly

then flood the system by down clocking the consumers

[wary rapids]

Designing the 320 gen plant

[wary rapids]

nothing fancy

[vague ibex]

So I may have forgotten that 780 divides by 3 into 3x260, and so while making 3x260 I accidentally invented dividing by 3

Should I delete it or should I keep it as a testament to my idiocy?

[wind spade]

Wait until you invent a manifold 🙂

[vague ibex]

I refuse

I only ever use manifolds when I absolutely have to because of super specific decimals

And even then I use balancers to make them somewhat close to normal values just to make the startup process better

Occasionally I'll even overproduce with the sole purpose of transforming the excess to be sinked

(I just love conveyor spaghetti and how balancers look)

[wary rapids]

Im thinking its gonna work out

The only qustion is i probably should autmatepower shards before building all the generators

[sonic gull]

Help! I think this idea I have isnt possible 😦 I tried to design a tileable blueprint for my truck stations in this screenshot. Hypothetically, Each station would get its one truck. But for some reason The stations seem to stop working if I try to have one truck pass through one of the stations without unloading or loading... Is this not possible? a possible bug?

notice in this screenshot of this BP there is 2 truck stations. I know Trucks Queue in a line if there is a truck in front of them. So I thought If a truck were to come to this pair of stations, and there was already a truck in the first station (the one closest to the player in this screenshot) it would wait til it is done loading, and then the trucks would move along and the waiting truck would pass through to the next. THIS PART WORKS BTW! However, for some reason one of the stations just simply doesnt work. It will not allow me to press F to unload/load the trucks. I am not given the pop up to do so and nothing happens when I press F anyway...

I think That maybe the stations are too close together

Yep. I have answered my own question... after some testing,Truck stations need to be a certain distance apart. If the stations are too close together, the Truck will pass through the first station, and not be able to detect that it is enterd the seconds stations loading zone until after it has completely left the first stations loading zone! This must be an intended feature to preven trucks from being in two loading zones at once!

more testing...

[sonic gull]

Seems like truck stations just break if you try to have a route with more than 2 stations on it???

someone smarter than me should test all this

Well actually all, Just ignore me. I am a knuckle dragging, rock smashing, dirt munching, pea brained neanderthal. It works fine...

[unborn ermine]

Yeah I remember someone saying something ages ago,
making sure the node for stopping is not interacting with the other station or something like that.

[whole glen]

a fake world😂

[heady vine]

that's a lot of LED
but what's the meta?

[coarse bay]

can train still make energy?

[vapid gorge]

not more than they use, just a bit from braking

[oblique hollow]

yea still only like... 33 MW or so

[oblique hollow]

best case, you are moving downhill (so minimum power demand) and you are braking regeneratively
that makes trains actually produce net positive power: +8 MW

[cloud tree]

been out of the loop a bit, so with the ficsmas event you cant really do anything yet right just need to wait for the days to pass to unlock the calendar?

[north mauve]

There's plenty that can be done now, but you cannot do more until waiting.

[analog meteor]

dude i thouhgt that was real life

[supple basalt]

That's very novel for SF Discord/Reddit. I like the diorama look. You should post those on Reddit, too, if you haven't already.

[north mauve]

This seems like the simplest way to plop down a SAM Fluct DD factory. That seem about right? Provided I have an ISC buffer chest, does that seem like all I'll ever need?

We had a couple manus at our first base producing these from a general bus (🤮 ) and I'm trying to clean it all up. So I was thinking of just plopping this down somewhere I'll never go again.

[deft lichen]

you can ping the @ moderator role

[wind spade]

we have a @Moderator ping for these cases (and it was pinged like 5 times already)

[deft lichen]

not sure what's going on (?)

[wind spade]

#satisfactory was fun with a bot

maybe even in other places

[north mauve]

Apparently I cannot. I tried a few times on both mobile and desktop. Oh well fixed now

[tough fiber]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/blueprints/index/details/id/7716/name/Petrochem+Stack
Is this an efficient way to make plastic and rubber?
basically crude -> heavy -> diluted fuel -> recycled rubber / plastic
-> polymer -> a little rubber

[worldly agate]

Yeah, probably. It'll at least do until T9 where some of the buildings require it in large quantities, but the buffer should be sufficient unless you're building several at once. I have a blueprint which builds 6 (which actually uses 6 stacks, so I have to drag out of depot and wait for it to reload 😮‍💨)

[north mauve]

Six what?

Converters?

Ah yeah that would do it, since six require more than five stacks

I can just use two DDs for one ISC when it comes down to DDs being empty. I don't think I'll need to increase the output and double up on manus making fluctuators.

[worldly agate]

That looks reasonable for a modular build or small quantities. I usually build a large set of refineries for recycling (a row of rec plastic and a row of rec rubber), then use a smart splitter to make sure they're fully loaded.

[north mauve]

But your issue isn't solvable no matter how much I build, so I don't have to worry about it haha

[worldly agate]

Yeah, I just like building in blocks. Unless you plan on building ~60 at once (however many's in the iStorage), the buffer will refill your depot eventually.

[north mauve]

I build in blocks but rarely more than one floor at a time except for rare bespoke facs

[tough fiber]

of course. but... In general, it's good value e.g. to produce fuel and plastic in order to make recycled rubber?

[worldly agate]

Yes, it's by far the best oil : rubber ratio as long as you use diluted fuel. I've actually ended up scrapping my excess resin in most of my factories (may ADA forgive me) rather than making residual, although that's just me being lazy.

[north mauve]

I have so many coke and resin sinks. I don't think I actually produce energy or material from resin or coke byproducts anywhere on my entire map.

[tough fiber]

I also have sinks for coke but now that I'm mkaing a centralized plastic factory I think I'll start making steel and copper from it, cuz why not?

and maybe later i'll give a try to the diluted/recycled ways

why did they make the blueprint size limit? was it a restriction of the game design? or just to spite us?

[north mauve]

Game design I expect. It forces you to build clean, modular code factories

[tough fiber]

Does it though?

[north mauve]

Yes?

[tough fiber]

I did get that stackable crystal factory, which I made into a nice skyscraper. But that was a lot of work too... to connect them

and I created some tilable manufacturers and assemblers, which is nice too

[north mauve]

BPs made me realize how dumb non-manifold building is

[tough fiber]

Yeah I only manifold, don't see a reason to do anything else

[north mauve]

I have a BP for each building, with the max amount crammable onto one plane, and with a logistics floor underneath

12 smelters is a lot.

[tough fiber]

but all in all I really prefer the free BP tool in DSP... where you can BP an entire planet... And you still try hard to make clear, modular things.

[north mauve]

Everything but nukes and encoders fit in a mk2 BP. I don't even think the mk3 is necessary for the game.

[tough fiber]

I think for a game with such a huge world, it's more appropriate

[north mauve]

There's nothing forcing you to do that though. You could easily make pure trash in something that big. That's why I think the sizes are intentional game design choices.

[tough fiber]

without clipping?

[north mauve]

People consider belts touching mergers/splitters clipping, so it depends what you mean. Also my refs and constructors have parts that stick out of the 5x5, especially constructor arms.

But no hacky egregious clipping. They look very clean.

[tough fiber]

also seems to me that there aren't so many public download blueprints?

[tough fiber]

you mean those loose belts and hoists sticking out the wall? hate those 🙂

[north mauve]

I don't stick out the wall with belts, I mean for under a manufacturer, I have the belts stacked with ceiling attachments, and when you put a splitter snapped to one of those belts, there is some very minor clipping

And for con/refs sticking out, I could just not put walls right on the 5x5 border and then the clipping problem goes away. But boo, no.

[tough fiber]

4 plastic buldings feed 1 coke factory. I couldn't make a BP for this... Could I? At least on 5x5

maybe I should start working with the plus mod. as I am so resentful 🙂

[north mauve]

4 refs easily fit in a BP. I stamped out 66 pretty quickly for my plastic/rub fac

[tough fiber]

yes, but not 4 + 1 (for the coke)

if we want to be modular

(this design above uses a 4 ref BP)

[north mauve]

I don't think my plastic/rubber factory has coke at all?

[unborn ermine]

I remember hearing a Mk3 can fit 5 refineries in a row.
Cant wait to get there eventually

[tough fiber]

But mine does. It's an example anyway... Don't you have use cases where a minimal module would not fit in a reasonable BP?

[north mauve]

If I wanted five refs, I'd just paste my four twice and delete the excess

Alternatively I could have built upward (maybe not for refs, I have no idea if they fit), but for most buildings that can work. For example, my RCU fac has a BP that is two stories tall. Assemblers or cons plus a ref on the bottom floor, and a manu above, with a gap in the floor for the ref to stick out. So the ref spans two floors, without blocking what I needed on the rest of the second floor

No clipping either, I think? Maybe a tiiiiiny bit of second floor foundation into a part of the ref, I dunno I haven't looked at it in weeks

[tough fiber]

It does sound nice

[plain fossil]

all of this for one assembler making 7.5 Scomputers/min

it is SO inefficient

[knotty siren]

If it works then it works

[main shuttle]

do lizard doggos tend to stay where they originally spawn in, or can you walk them all over the map

[deft lichen]

they will follow you

if they get stuck they'll just stay where they got stuck

[tired barn]

ok so

[unborn ermine]

I recommend making a small-ish pen for them, making the floor have more than one layer, just in case they phase through the foundation ect.

[tired barn]

32 refiners making 18.75 turbofuel mer minute each. yet the mk2 pipe won't fill up. Do liquids not work with a manifold?

The ones on the end won't drain

[unborn ermine]

best to section the pipes into smaller chunks, sometimes merging/splitting near the pipe capacity can have issues.

[tough fiber]

I hate fixmas

[unborn ermine]

you can turn it off in the main menu, and turn it back on Dec 25th to get all the calendar rewards.

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[gloomy palm]

😁

#screenshots message

[weak rose]

what would be the best way to fuel drones? cuz transporting all the fuel to all the different drone ports sounds like pain

[main shuttle]

i was more thinking of nabbing them and walking them all the way home so i could do mass collection in one location

unless that makes them despawn

[north mauve]

For every section of drone ports, add one. That one is a fuel delivery drop-off drone. It flies to your nearest fuel pickup station.

The pickup station can be the destination of all the drop-off ports.

[north mauve]

A: How can I make satis-calc use a specific ore for a trigon planner?
B: What's the best production planner/calc?

[outer vale]

b) Satisfactory Tools

[unborn ermine]

in Tools, and probably Calc, you can set a recipe for the ore conversion or recipe for a specific Trigon chain.

[outer vale]

I had a very quick look in Calc and couldn't see a way to disable default recipes, only add alts

[north mauve]

Yup tools does what I need

@wind spade Thank you

[north mauve]

Yeah that's the problem. No way to tell it "Please stop choosing alum ingots for trigons", thus making it kiiinda worthless? Even if you tell it the input includes 9999 iron ingots, it doesn't change. I bet I could request this on his discord but eh

[outer vale]

I understand it's got more issues than that, but yeah that doesn't help

[north mauve]

Actual UI wise I really like it

Er, visual. UI seems to be the issue.

[outer vale]

the only two issues I have with Tools atm are

1. You can't do a full "with x Uranium how much uranium and plutonium fuel rods could I do" without having to manually copy uranium waste, awkward feedback loop there of get result -> change waste -> repeat (or reverse engineer the ratios manually)
2. No plan for Ficsmas recipes

both have been acknowledged with reasonable explanations, but they'd still be nice to have

ah, and being able to disable the conversion recipes without completely disabling the converter

best tip for that one's to search for recipes with a ( in 'em, tad awkward

[unborn ermine]

Yeah most things like that lend itself better to having the multiple production tabs, ie chains in this instance for uran ect.

[prisma kraken]

+sloop-aware calculation

just someone who is the author of one of these tools, please add sloops

[worthy thistle]

Can someone help me with fluids problem?
2 of my 5 fuel refineries wont empty their fuel. like its backed up, but my fuel generators are not running because they are not getting the fuel. something isnt right

[amber umbra]

@worthy thistle Make a post in #1038092680493801533 with pictures. People like pipe troubleshooting.

[worthy thistle]

I think I got it. I didn't prime my pipes. looking like its stabilizing

Nope didnt work it jsut emptied again

Posting on the Q&H page gives me a greyed-out POST. Any idea why?

[prime island]

What’s a good number per/min for crystal oscillators? I know it’s somewhat subjective but want to get a feel what others do to make the late game math much easier.

[wind spade]

for most items, 5/min is more than enough. You can always build more later if you feel like you're running out, but I'd say 5-10/min is enough for most items (not counting concrete or belt materials)

[prime island]

Thank you. I was trying to calculate how much I needed from the usage numbers on the wiki.

However, I’m not at tier 7/8 so it was a shot in the dark.

[wind spade]

generally I don't recommend "producing in advance"

just make what you need for storage, which is (as I mentioned above) usually very small number (often you can even get away with just one machine making things). Later if another factory needs that item, it will make it itself

[wary rapids]

it's kind of crazy how well nitic acid simplifies fuel logistics. a 320 generator plant can meet get it nitric acid requrements from a single car with a round trip time of 18 min.

[wind spade]

Ficsmas Tools up! https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0-ficsmas/

[outer vale]

Heck yeah, cheers

[uneven burrow]

how do i make a refinery need 43 heavy oil resude per minute

[outer vale]

over/underclock it

[vast jungle]

just set the necessary output number and SF calculates the underclock factor... if you need to OC, you need the put in the shards first

[oblique hollow]

you can enter math equations on the overclocking field

you just enter 43/(usage at 100%) x 100

If the refinery usuaally needs 30 /min, you enter 43/30 x 100

just remember to input shards if the refinery usually needs less than 43

[fierce oracle]

Do you have it unlocked?

[neon magnet]

This pro-tip just made my week. YOU CAN?

[oblique hollow]

yes

Try it

[magic dock]

Besides headlift gasses still behave the same as liquids right?

[past reef]

and maybe no gravity making priority junction impossible to do

[magic dock]

Ah I shouldn't need those anyway but thanks

[night bronze]

not sure if I'm missing something, what's the benefit of the 'dark matter trap' alt recipe?
a slight decrease in power requirement maybe?

was trying to get the crystallization recipe to remove the coal requirement but landed on that one first, wondering if it's worth using at all

[karmic fjord]

It makes the most crystals per dark matter residue

[night bronze]

ah ok that's fair

idk how I missed that but thx, that is a fairly convincing argument for it

[karmic fjord]

Yeah, you can completely eliminate sam ore from that production chain with that recipe

[night bronze]

wait what?

[karmic fjord]

No extra dark matter residue required

From sam

[night bronze]

oh like directly from sam? so you're just taking the by-product residue from other recipes?

[karmic fjord]

Yes, for my factory I ended up with extra residue using that recipe

[formal vessel]

So im still in the early stages of the game but im getting started on my first Megafactory and am working on running my Reinforced Plates line, i was wondering woul you recommend Stitched or Bolted Iron Plates? I somehow have already unlocked both of those but i dont know which would be the most efficient use of materials.
Im guessing Bolted because Iron is so common.

Thanks

[wind spade]

personal recommendation: don't build megafactory, build separate factories

as for alt recipes, it really depends on your preferences, resources nearby, etc. Stitched plates generally save more materials, bolted plates are more expensive than default

[formal vessel]

Oh really i didnt realize Bolted were more i must have overlooked that.

[magic island]

yeah the Bolted tradeoff is that it's a faster recipe with a higher cost

[wary rapids]

Your actually going to run into allot more complications when you scale something like reinforford iron plates. The easiest way to see that is to run the numbers on your manufactured processes and work backwards. Youll find that for ever manufacturer run at 100 percent the amount of inputs is allot. @formal vessel

it turns out while the total resouces are allot the amount of reinforced iron plates i needed to make inside is only 11.25 per min.

and i would never be able to remmber that without running it though a calculator or returning to this building.

Thiers no way i could plan for phase 4 at this stage but it turns out i was able to meet my goals in phase 4 without making anymore HMFs.

[heady valve]

does a backing locomotive help push the train any on a two headed train or is it just extra weight?

[formal vessel]

See i havent been able to figure out how to balance transportation that well i had a truck running coal and steel and i wasnt able to use it as fast as the truck could move the supplies so i ended up just running long belts

[inner flame]

do yall think regular turbofuel or heavy turbo fuel is better?

[sonic gull]

What is everyones thoughts on trucks? I made a tilable blueprint seen here. This depot has a total of 10 truck depots I use 1 drone port to fuel all 10 with turbo fuel. So at max throughput and effiency with mk6 belts im looking at a throughput of 24000 items/min in the same area footprint of a 4 car train station which could do less than half of that due to stopping when loading and unloading.

[wary rapids]

turbo blend fuel.

truck stations like that meet all the rule of cool reqirments of any base.

[sonic gull]

Rule of cool is what I go by lol. Definitely effects how quickly I beat the game though lol. Doing a modded playthrough for 1.0. Only QoL Building mods like a copy and paste one, infinte nudge, and infinite zoop. Lets me get those cool slanted wall like in that SS to stray away from the boxy look that normal building forces.

[hard meadow]

I hate ACUs now

[formal vessel]

lol i swear to god it is always the lifts, my whole copper chain was going so slowly so i had to follow my belts all the way back to the source, there was one mk1 lifts holding everything up

[magic dock]

Are there rough numbers where you can say: Don't bother with this type of transportation and go for this type instead?

For example, I am thinking of doing drones as I never really used them before but don't want to set them up if its going to be a hassle

[wind spade]

Imo it depends on distance, required throughput, stack sizes, terrain and existing transport network

[versed violet]

Is the missing rim piece a texture glitch or intentional?

[uneven burrow]

wat

[oblique hollow]

you can enter math into it.
You read correctly

[uneven burrow]

well rn i got 50 oil resude and the machine needs 60

so do i just like

[oblique hollow]

then you input 50/60*100

[uneven burrow]

alrighty then

[oblique hollow]

and it will adjust the clock rate

[uneven burrow]

83.333333

[oblique hollow]

yep

[uneven burrow]

thanks magic man

[oblique hollow]

60 * 83.3333% = 50

[wind spade]

if you're bothered by the missing 0.000033333...%, you can round up to 83.3334%

[uneven burrow]

and how do i make 2 fuel gens eat 33.33 fuel

[oblique hollow]

well, first off is how much would one fuel gen get?

[uneven burrow]

no idea

[oblique hollow]

if you have 33.333 and have 2 generators, how much would one get if you split evenly?

[uneven burrow]

do i just do 33.33/2

[oblique hollow]

thats how much each generators gets
then you need to adjust their clock rate

[uneven burrow]

16.665

[oblique hollow]

yep. how much does a generator usually use?

[uneven burrow]

oh right

20 per minute

[oblique hollow]

aaand whats the math you need to enter?

[uneven burrow]

no idea but i got the answer

83.333333%

[oblique hollow]

same deal as before

[uneven burrow]

thanks magic man x2

[oblique hollow]

16.666/20*100

its always:
(how much you have / how much the machine wants) x 100

[uneven burrow]

tanks

[livid turret]

Great way of explaining the rule of three using Satisfactory

[keen moss]

what does that means?

[livid turret]

Nothing, it's an error due to distance. A sort of phantom node

[wind spade]

multiple nodes with mixed purities

[drowsy tartan]

Is this a good idea or should i do something else with the fuel (not fuelgenerators)

[livid turret]

Fuel is just for power, plastic, rubber or better types of fuel so nothing wrong with your setup

[oblique hollow]

do you have a use for this much plastic and rubber?
because otherwise this is an goal with no clear purpose

[drowsy tartan]

Im just trying to not have to worry about making plastic and rubber for a while

[oblique hollow]

transporting it is the hard part when you later need it

[drowsy tartan]

I have a dedicated area that has enought space for 5 trainstations for later transportations so thats not that big of a problem

[tight sentinel]

brother.. press windows + shift + s 🤦‍♂️

[wind spade]

*press printscreen

[hard meadow]

uhh ol

[hard meadow]

huh I didnt know that

[frozen wave]

what's the better choice here for best optimization later down the line? I've unlocked crystal computers which uses and oscilator and chips to make computers, if that changes anything.

[wind spade]

see #math-and-meta message

[sonic gull]

we in that fr

[tight sentinel]

windows has had the ability to take screenshots for like 30 years, that keyboard shortcut is just an easy way to do it 👍

[wind spade]

easier than single printscreen button? 😄

[hard meadow]

I would personaly take 1

[hard meadow]

i dont think I have that

[tight sentinel]

printscreen works too, just depends on what you want

[wind spade]

pretty much every keyboard has it, it's next to F12

PrintScreen or PrtScr or similar

[frozen wave]

are they used in many things late game?

[tight sentinel]

using the snipping tool lets you pick just an area of the screen

[hard meadow]

yeah

[wind spade]

honestly, read the message I linked above and pick for yourself. You can get both anyway

[hard meadow]

a lot

[frozen wave]

how do you do that with the buttons.

[wind spade]

you just... press it

and then paste the image here

[frozen wave]

I mean, highlight what word is a button

[wind spade]

`word`

[frozen wave]

do you preceede the word you wanna highlight as a button with 'word' ?

[tight sentinel]

` is to the left of the 1 key

[wind spade]

you use the ` backtick

[frozen wave]

enter

ah cool

[tight sentinel]

obviously you can do it with any amount of text

[frozen wave]

is just use windows + shift + s for printscreens.

[unborn ermine]

Alt + Print Screen is where its at these days for me,
captures the active window/game.

great if you have multiple monitors and dont want to mess with windows apps/editing.

[vapid gorge]

that's a link to a specific comment

[ivory condor]

This game looks to confusing

[oblique hollow]

it is confusing if you dive in head first

[versed violet]

question: does explosive rebar daamage trees? and does it destroy gas plants?

[oblique hollow]

it counts as a bomb so yes

[versed violet]

yes to both?

[deft lichen]

it destroys everything nobelisks can

[barren valve]

what is this i want it, the thing your using to visulise this stuff

[inner flame]

how much power does 180 m^3 of turbofuel make

[unborn ermine]

!wikisearch fuel-powered_generator

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel-powered_generator

[unborn ermine]

You start with your fuel, 180/min
and divide that by the burn rate.
then multiply the number you get by the power per generator.

[marsh gate]

How do I do the math to know how many FICSMAS gift trees could max out (or closely max out) an Mk5 belt?

[worn trout]

Math

I forgor how much the mk5 transports

But just divide that by 15

[unborn ermine]

Yeah, also Satisfactory Tools got updated for ficsmas items, so you can use that now too.

[north mauve]

780?

52 or two whole foundation blueprints

Plus two more

[plush gulch]

780

[rare rampart]

Im having trouble figuring out how much throuput I need of each material

Basically What do I prioritize in my factory at each stage?

early game sucks

[unborn ermine]

I would say, go for a handful of what you want, around 5-10/min to start

as you go, see what you need more of as your stockpile grows and you explore.
then plan out factories for what you need once you feel like you have a good handle on things.

[drowsy tartan]

Satisfatory modeler, its free on steam

[uneven burrow]

magic man i require your help again

nvm i figured it out

[ruby field]

How do I calculate Uranium Waste storage?
My understanding is that Uranium Waste stacks 500, one Industrial Container hold 48 stacks, meaning 24000 Uranium Waste per Industrial Container.
If I create 10 waste/min, it takes 2400 minutes before it is full?

[deft lichen]

yes

you can blueprint the containers

or alternatively reprocess to plutonium rods and sink those

[ruby field]

Thank you. We are planning to do reprocess them, but that part isnt ready yet 😦

[livid turret]

This, 10 reinforced plates per minute can carry you up to phase 4

[grim crane]

oh wtf 😭

2.5k SCREWS

I hate this game

[deft lichen]

2 screw constructors in front of each rotor assembler

[grim crane]

i will OC them

So ill see how this will turn out

[deft lichen]

screws are easy if you don't work with them as with other parts

[grim crane]

But i might run into Iron issues near this

Because someone send help

[wind spade]

don't think about the arrows as belts and everything becomes easier 🙂

[grim crane]

lol

Im thinking about where th f im gonna place that all rn

Kinda running out of space

[wind spade]

place it near nodes it needs

also the amounts of items you want to make seem excessive

[grim crane]

There is one free iron node still here
But i also have no space in my building left

[grim crane]

I started to build most of these at t4 lol

[wind spade]

I'd only build like 5-15/min of each

[grim crane]

Lets not even talk about this

as my first production

[grim crane]

But where is the fun in that

[wind spade]

fun in not needing to do gigantic builds for no reason

[grim crane]

I burned myself out so hard on this Update1 safe that i basically had to recover for a week until i could do anything in life

[grim crane]

I just like big productions dont ask

My old save produces like 200 quarts oscilators

or 100

I dont remember

[wind spade]

may be a reason for your burnouts 🙂

[grim crane]

Maybe

But i also use this game to get off school depression

so when it occupies my whole mind its easier

i have a very unhealty relationship with this game since 2019...

[grim crane]

actually nvm

its 290

A lot of this was unhealthy holy

[magic dock]

So I need to do 5 blenders of nitric acid which requires 1200 nitrogen total (240 each). So I will need 2 Mk.2 pipes but whats the best way to divide it over those 5 blenders?

I was thinking of doing this:

B B B B B
| | | | |
+-+-+-+-+
  |   |
  ^   ^

but not sure if that works

[wind spade]

what input pipes do you have?

[magic dock]

You mean to the manifold or to the blenders?

[wind spade]

how are you mining the nitrogen

[magic dock]

Im using the resource well in the eastern dune forest that only has pure nodes

[wind spade]

so, 300 each?

[magic dock]

Did actually not yet think of how I wanted to connect those

Is that max for a pure well node? because then probably yes

[wind spade]

I think so

then you can just clock blenders to 125% and have 4 of them, so one pipe per blender

[magic dock]

Ah wait that also works of course (and then it will be 250%, was already at 200% due to the layout I made)

Thanks👍

[wind spade]

most of the game is simplified if you stop thinking about the bigger picture ("I need to move 1200/min nitrogen") and start thinking about machine-level logistics and match ratios

[magic dock]

Will keep that in mind, haven't worked with the blender and resource well much so with water and oil I always got away with simple manifolds

[wind spade]

manifolds are obviously great, but if you take a few minutes to match ratios, you don't even need them in most places 🙂 clock speed is very useful and powerful tool 🙂

[viral sorrel]

Are the red ornaments supposed to produce slower than the blues? I assumed they were the same but the math wasn't mathing, so I checked and the reds are much slower

[wind spade]

they have different production speed, yeah

[grave prism]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=MhKOFDALk3NpK4Y2Tons what do you all think? feasible to do under a single roof or gotta split if so how do you go about it?

[frail hinge]

Hello! I have a Question, mmaybe its a dumb one but its a question. So i have a stream of 270 iron ingonts which i want to feed to nine constructors, how Do i do that 100 precent efficent if its possible, or should I do a manifold

[wind spade]

manifold is 100% efficient

if you really want to balance it, then splitting into 3 and then each belt again into 3 would be the way to go, but honestly I'd just go with manifolds everywhere

[frail hinge]

oki, thanks!

I just dont like the spool up time, but i always go with them anyways

[wind spade]

you can prefill machines by hand, then there's no filling up time 🙂

[amber umbra]

The way I equilibrate manifolds is set it all up fully, cut the output belt of the final machine type, manually add items from dimensional depot to production line, let it afk to fully finish filling everything, reconnect output belts.

[spice radish]

how do you make a 4 to 4 balancer

[wind spade]

first question should be "why do you need it"?

[spice radish]

i have 4 belts that i need to be even

[wind spade]

why tho? can't you just use what is on each belt?

[spice radish]

because i need to send the same amount to 4 places

[wind spade]

and the belts aren't even?

[spice radish]

no

[wind spade]

how much is on them?

[spice radish]

2 780 and two like 750.892

[wind spade]

where did you get 750.892 lol

[versed violet]

Did anyone make a spreadsheet for calculating recipe costs in MW/piece/minute yet? I am wondering which recipes are the most energy/resource efficient.

[wind spade]

the problem is that you can't consider just one step, but the whole production line

[hazy hill]

actually nobody.

[versed violet]

In most cases, it will yield good enough result. perhaps even optimal result.

[wind spade]

I personally don't think so, since I was trying to do this back in time 😄

[hazy hill]

you need to design the entire production line for economy/efficiency. There is no point in taking alternative recipes separately because new resources will be needed to complete the required tasks. if you need to do one thing, then take the final recipe and look for equally effective recipes for its inputs.

or just use satisfactory tools

[versed violet]

greeny calc optimizes for volume, not energy consumption

[wind spade]

you can still force recipes and compare power draw

[versed violet]

yeah, so thats why I want an excel telling me which recipes have the lowest equivalent mw draw

I am not going to hand test all 10k combinations

[wind spade]

but if a recipe has lowest MW, it can use ingredients that in turn make the recipe not worth

so the excel won't give you the answer

[hazy hill]

just build a couple of generators. why do you need to calculate an insignificant amount of megawatts to save

[versed violet]

You appear to be mistaken. I want a sheet that includes the price of ingredients, in MW/unit/min, on top of the machine power usage.

[wind spade]

(not to mention that things like loops and byproducts will just break it)

[wind spade]

but which recipes you pick for the ingredients?

[versed violet]

the one with lowest cost per unit obv 😂
(which is the point at which I got stuck working with excel of my own)

[wind spade]

what about byproducts and loops?

[versed violet]

Assume byproducts deduct from the total cost. Free resin is free resin. Loops make things funny, but excel usually doesn't explode, it just stops repeating.

[grave prism]

Theres a reddit post for all the alternate recipes idk if there is one including normal ones tho

[wind spade]

that doesn't analyse MW per item

(and is heavily subjective anyway)

[grave prism]

Its a start no? Doubt anybody has done the whole thing. Plus i find that power is not really a limiting factor. Is usually resources on the map right?

[wind spade]

it doesn't give you any relevant data

[wind spade]

limiting factor is usually the player. Resources are technically a limit, but hardly anyone runs out of more than like one or two resources, and that's without SAM conversions in mind)

[versed violet]

minimizing the power usage has a side offect of minimizing the building count & sizes.
eg. Pure refinery recipes may have the best production yield, but are horrible from MW/unit perspective - in most cases you are better off placing couple more miners and just using regular recipes.

[burnt hazel]

Electrode aluminum scrap or steel screws? Both are on the same drive. I think I should go with the scrap but it is screws per minute.

[wind spade]

#math-and-meta message

[burnt hazel]

ah thank you.

[north mauve]

Looking for recommendations on power shard synthesizing

I have nearly all recipes, and soon will have 100% of them. So that's not the problem.

I don't yet have any plans for them other than fill the DD

Coal for diamonds or oil? Or something else? Dark Trap Matter recipe?

[latent anchor]

750.892 isn't that bad, I tried making a HMF factory that fully utilized 2 coal, 1 iron and 1 limestone deposit and the maths got crazy

somewhere in there I think I got to 416/237 or similar

[hazy hill]

how to connect conveyer vertically 5 times and spend less space for this?

I have a column of manufacturers and I need resources to go from one conveyor to each floor. mmm, I had somewhere a compact drawing of a separator, I think I’ll have to look at it

[fallow siren]

ok i got nice number for hmf production

[frosty owl]

A sushi belt could just snake around from the bottom level to the top one, manifolding each machine one after the other.
Overflow could be merged with the output to be managed later.

[wet palm]

Hey guys, I’m just getting into nuclear pasta for the first time, and like what a good per minute amount I should shoot for in my nuclear pasta factory? I was going to do 10PM but then find out I will need over 300+ refineries for pure copper ingots for the copper powder. Now I’m thinking 5PM maybe? Just don’t want to mess up the next tier/phases if I only set myself up for 5 but maybe that’s enough? I dunno

[vast jungle]

just starting with ONE pasta generator is already enough for finishing the game... if you want to be quicker, one OCed and Slooped machine can be better...

Building more is just a matter how many you want, not how many you need

[wet palm]

Hmm good point. Sloops could save me here in the end

[vast jungle]

1 machine to finish the game, as many as you want to have fun building a factory

[wet palm]

For sure, I hear ya!

[past reef]

The number of pasta for t9 pretty much only base on how many warp drive/singularity cells you want

5 is enough for reasonable warp drive speed, if its too slow for you you can make more

[wet palm]

I think I will target 5. 150 refineries sounds a lot nicer than 300 for copper powder lmao

[vast jungle]

depends on how much copper ore you locally have and WANT to process

[wet palm]

Also I have a 10 fused frame factory already and I’m only using 4.5 of them for my thermal propulsion factory. So the other 5 could be a perfect fit for the pasta.

[wet palm]

Yeah another reasons why I wanted to lower it, copper ore ain’t so easy on the map..

[vast jungle]

one pure node accessed with a MK5 belt can already provide a lot of copper powder

[wet palm]

Well my calculator said I need 5k copper ore for the 10PM pasta

And mk5 is only 780, so yeah I would need a fair amount of copper ore nodes…

[vast jungle]

Copper Ore processing can get huge... 😄

[wet palm]

Yeah lmao. It kinda feels like I should just setup a system to gather all the copper on the map and bring to a central location then make ginormous ingot factory. Lmao

[vast jungle]

I normally process as much as I can locally

[wet palm]

Same as what I do, at least before this chat 😂

[vast jungle]

😄

sigh Aluminum Setups are really the Drama-Queens of Satisfactory

[vapid gorge]

they are fiendishly simple and straight forward unless you choose for them not to be

[vast jungle]

I made the simplest setup possible I think... three refineries, Sloppy Solutions and Electrode Scrap... in effect I am just using OC/UC to make half of the wikis 21/40 ratio solution

I just setup two more of the BPs I made for them... one hard-locked, one did not... the order of adding the resources made the difference 😄

like I said, Drama Queens 😉

[vapid gorge]

Unbreakable 780 processing.

impossible to lock up

they are very simple unless you choose for them not to be

literally impossible for them to lock up

the ratio examples for all the recipe combos

[vast jungle]

I use the one in the bottom right...

one Sloppy Refinery at 45%, one Sloppy Refinery at 105%, one Electrode Scrap Refinery at 200%... 360/m solution

[vapid gorge]

then you've mathed and/or clocked wrong

or maybe you aren't processing all the scrap and its not a 'lock up' and more just a generic back log like any system

but in that case it should self balance once you start processing the scrap properly

[vast jungle]

I cannot even misconfigure them because they are blueprinted...
as far as I can tell the problem either happens at initial startup or not at all

[vapid gorge]

maybe you missclocked or built in the blue print?

if you've followed those ratio examples there's core build or math problem going on

something simple like a wrong mk belt or pipe, or just one machine with wrong numbers in it

[vast jungle]

I guess the "compact" layout with the short pipes causes issues... the loop gets not chance to get up to speed because of too much water in the "waste water" pipe

[vapid gorge]

I'd have to see the whole layout to even comment on specifics

It's very easy to bugger up a pipe system though

and you shouldn't need any loops for this

[vast jungle]

there is a loop for the solution/waste-water... its right in the wiki picture

[vapid gorge]

this?

[vast jungle]

exactly... the three refineries on the right feed into the bottom-two on the left, the two on the left feed into the three on the right

I would call this a loop

[vapid gorge]

yeah, loop tends to describe something else, at least when people talk about pipes in satisfactory

you can just call this a normal manifold, it just feeds a previous step it's part of

it's not a standard manifold layout, but not super weird either

I get what you mean though

[vast jungle]

its only of the reason a lot of people stumble on the "fuel/plastic/rubber" recycling loop when they do it the first time... you have a loop in the machine dependencies...

[vapid gorge]

but yeah, I'd guess there's probably a simple mistake in your blueprints. Set ups like this are some of the most robust you can make

[vast jungle]

without loops there is not much that can go wrong unless you get the input or output of the factory wrong

[vapid gorge]

ah see, I don't even have dependencies doing the recycled oil products. Just start with see rubber from resin. Much simpler

[vast jungle]

me too... but most people build the recycling stuff in loops... and propose its the best way to do it

[vapid gorge]

I mean you can do it, I just don't see a point when you can have the seed rubber from the waste product.

they probably see it in the SFtools layout and get tunnel vission that you have to do it that way

[vast jungle]

other fun "loop" are these huge "Diluted Packaged Fuel" with all the packaging merging together and then manifolding back into the refineries... this can go wrong in funny ways 😄

let me just hop over somewhere I can place the BP and remove some walls to get a few screenshots

okay... finally got everything removed that prevents to see the lower floor

this is the general setup... the refinery on the left is Electrode Scrap at 200%, the other two are Sloppy Aluminia... the middle one at 105% OC (for waste water), the right one at 45% (UC) for fresh water

same side, view from above

[vapid gorge]

what is getting clogged? too much water in the scrap machine?

[vast jungle]

back side

[fringe seal]

I did not thought about this but
this does make sense

[vast jungle]

this one here is getting clogged with water

most likely the one on the back also with Solution

[vapid gorge]

sounds like there's a math issue

[vast jungle]

I typically can unclock the BP by flushing the circled pipe 10 times... or adding a buffer sideways to the pipe, which then normally levels of at 60-100 water and stays constant

[timid zenith]

returns into satisfactory

[vast jungle]

thats why I think its a pure startup issue

[timid zenith]

I realized that I dont have steel production yet

for steel I need coal I dont have coal

[vast jungle]

when the loop runs at 100% it works... but during startup bad things seem to happen

[vapid gorge]

yeah that's weird. that really shouldn't be the case

[royal lintel]

27 (one underclocked) refineries manifolded on one side, been experimenting & this is my last attempt at getting it working still nothing (middle 2/3 not getting enough fuel) pre-filled and left over night & they're empty again

[vast jungle]

get coal, get steel, get automatic power AND MK3 belts.. be happy!

[vast jungle]

I can try to reproduce the problem so I can show the state of the blocked machines

[vapid gorge]

it does look like youahve a loop, but yeah, in my experience I've seen set up slike this, even flooded, will starve after a few hours

[timid zenith]

yahhhhhhh

[vapid gorge]

either break it up into 2 pipes and 2 loops, or over clock 13 machines to 200% and make it a smaller loop

[vast jungle]

I am not sure what you mean... its not that one machines output directly feeds into its input.

maybe this perspective helps a bit more

[royal lintel]

I'll probably try splitting it into two loops first, keep the power usage down that way. Thanks for the help

[vast jungle]

ahh, sorry... comment was to Skelyos27...

[timid zenith]

another coal generator

now I wont see blown fuses for some time

[vast jungle]

more difficult to reproduce the problem than I thought... I have run into it a couple of times during this playthrough... if I get it again I will save the game into a custom file

okay, if my Alu setup doesn't do strange things again I now should have 900 Casings/min...

[vapid gorge]

just as a thing, even if you over clock a whole process with every machine at 250% you only use 33% more power overall, so .... its really not a big deal

[timid zenith]

ideal

[tepid rain]

Exactly. I don't get why everyone wants to try and 'save' powewr. Just build one extra power plant to handle the extra load. I run nearly everything at a min of 200% to cut down on the total number of machines I have in my world (to try and cut down on lag a bit) and I've never ran pot of power... heck overclocking the very power generators already covers the extra power draw.

That said, with the new 1200 belt speed we have... when working with oure nodes and maxed mk3 miners fully overclocked, or just maxed items in general. Sending resources via train do you recommend splitting the total between two freight cars per item to get the maximum throughput or is it still 1 car per max belt like it was when max was 780?

[royal lintel]

Might have to get some somersloop power shard production going then

[tepid rain]

I... never had to throughout update 5-8? Power isn't that big of a deal... like said you only use like 30% more if you have everything in your world overclocked, and if your overclocking your power production that mind you only needs more of a resource to run it you're offsetting that power need anyways. If you have such little power that you need to underclock everything to 'save' as much as you can... you either didn't build enough power to start with or have a crazy idea that you can somehow 'waste' power in this game when really just make a but load of it and be free.

[royal lintel]

I mean I'm just being stingy af, I'm using 15k & this power plant is producing 60k...

[tepid rain]

ImKibitz on youtube for his update 5-8 lets play overclocked EVERYTHING and ran it all off of one nuke power plant.

[vast jungle]

mission accoplished... I had too many HMFs... now I have too many HMFs and too many Fused Frames 😄

[tepid rain]

There is no such thing as too many

[vast jungle]

they all go down the sink as soon as the ISC/DD is full...

still, the factory worked out nicely

[tepid rain]

Oh trust me it is still not too many. wait until you start needing those frames again in some other factory.

ie my 12,000 quickwire a minute.... and I still need more.

[vast jungle]

the new factory make 45 HMF/min and turn some of them into 15 Fused Frames/min... thats a lot I think

[tepid rain]

There's a saying I seen a few youtubers use 'when you think you made too much, you always find you didn't make enough'.

[timid zenith]

People be making the craziest builds for hmf and the best I can do is 2 basic frames per minute

[solid mauve]

I did 4 with the base recipe and thought that was a lot lmao

[charred saffron]

HMFs is the the first moment where you start to realise just how massive factories can/have to get. It's quite a bit of work if you want to produce everything locally

[fallow siren]

the difference for computer and hmf factory in term of size is quite big

it still easy cuz u just do extra step after steel for hmf

just took a lot of time cuz of how big the production lines are

[vast jungle]

I think most computer factories also take more kinds of inputs compared to HMF

but still, they both grow A LOT if you want to have a decent output

[amber umbra]

45 HMF/min pretty big. I’m finishing phase 4 with 10.8 HMF/min.

[north mauve]

I can't seem to fix other people's setups. If I build my own, they're flawless and never break (/s) but if I try to fix someone else's, even though everything looks absolutely perfect on paper, it still backs up.

Anyway my battery fac can go die I don't even need it I can just deliver rocket fuel and plut rods all day long

BUT I WANT THE BATTERY FAC TO WORK AND RESPECT ME DAMMIT

I literally pumped 100% of the water output from the blender into a second production line that should be starved forever and instead it fills up. I don't understand how I can supply a factory with 80% of its water needs, and come back to clogged pipes.

[amber umbra]

Without pics we can’t really say much.

[north mauve]

Yeah I know I'm not even in game. I just wanted to vent.

[oblique hollow]

maybe that other factory has other missing inputs or connections

The one battery factory i have runs flawlessly

Byproduct water goes into dedicated sulfuric acid refineries and its all good

[magic dock]

Are fluid buffers recommended for fluid freight platforms like they are for their non fluid counterpart?

[charred saffron]

I would assume so. The intake of resources pauses entirely when a train is loading, which could cause your pipes to suffer flowrate issues or fill up quickly depending on the size of the factory. Buffers would give the system some breathing space during the loading process

[north mauve]

Yeah, if you think the next pickup will show up before they refill.

My fluids are barely used so I don't need to

[charred saffron]

At the very least I can't see it hurting the process, even if it's unnecessary

[oblique hollow]

It is necessary in fact

Otherwise fluid cars cant deliver as much

[north mauve]

It's not necessary if you're not using that much.

[unborn ermine]

usually, if you are debating a pipeline or a train, more capacity is defo the standard.

[proud totem]

I think since pipes themselves are also buffers (albeit small buffers, but still buffers), if you aren't delivering/using much fluid, you are fine not having a buffer. But I would guess the amount would have to be relatively small.

Similar for belts, I think you can technically not use a buffer with the train if your belts are long enough to be the buffer. Though I might have to actually think that through a bit more...

I think the stipulation is there would have to be a merger from the 2 station belts into 1 main production line belt, and those 2 station belts would have to be the long "buffers"

[unborn ermine]

Yeah it would be a convoluted solution, the two "longer" belts being split production.

[north mauve]

New to phase 5: What do you do with your DMR byproducts?

[charred saffron]

You can get away with it with a high belt level and relatively low amounts of product, since you'll be able to load the backlog before the next train. With pipes, if the flowrate is solid, it works the same. However, fluid physics and flowrates tend to be whack, and it's pretty safe to assume you need to move a lot of fluid, so I'd advice against gambling on it and just install a fluid tank or two in front of the station

[charred saffron]

DMR?

[proud totem]

Oh yeah, of course. Like, I'm still always going to use an actual buffer, because its not worth the headache otherwise

[north mauve]

Dark Matter Residue. the new byproduct for every recipe

[tidal dock]

make dark crystal

there is alt recipe that only need DMR, too.

[north mauve]

So I likely need to overflow sink the crystals, unless a more common ingredient is the limiting factor

What's a good number of superpos osc to make? 5/min from ONE encoder would be enough for one building each of BWD and AIES, with a spare for DD/portals.

And is it better to make them separately from the AI/BWD facs? I'm thinking so but I don't know.

[tidal dock]

If you have everything unlock already, you can take extra crystal and make power shard and sink power shard.

[north mauve]

I thoguht shards couldn't sink

[tidal dock]

oh, you're right.

maybe I'm sinking ballistic warp drive, still.

haven't touch my main base factory for a long time.

[unborn ermine]

Oh man you "could" sink shards if you sink packaged Ionic Fuel

[north mauve]

I think the matrix item might be a more common way to sink shards

[unborn ermine]

oh neat they are used for other stuff?

[tidal dock]

well, make some Singularity Cells, too. I use them to keep warp gate running.

[north mauve]

I think I'm making ~5 pasta/min, so I might be able to make a whopping 50 singularity cells/min which sounds nuts. That's probably way more than I need for portals and BWD. At that rate I might as well start using my plut rods

[frail hinge]

so i have 180/min iron plates coming from 10 streams which 8 of them are 20/min and two are 10/min (from 9 constructors) and i need to separate them to 6 assemblers each 30/min, so how do I do that? I am having some issues figuring it out

oh nvm, i figured it out, thanks anwyways!

[north mauve]

I know I say this a lot, but, this game doesn't actually care about balancers. If you want to have it nice and balanced, go right ahead. But if you didn't know, it doesn't actually matter and you can save yourself a lot of time by ignoring it. Generally you just need to disconnect the machines and let the belts fill up, then turn it on and it'll balance itself.

[unborn ermine]

and even nuclear, its just peace of mind when it comes to radiation with balancers.

well and time, but its not the end of the world if you make stuff before hand.

[vast mist]

I think the reason my factory cart logistics were so efficient is that there's a duplication glitch with their inventory

at least it happens when you delete the cart; will have to test whether it's also happening on load/unload

[uneven burrow]

why does the alien power augmentor have a input

[amber umbra]

@uneven burrow It's a lategame thing. Look it up if you want spoiler. Nothing too crazy really... or is it

[uneven burrow]

and then it goes into the flying state?

like when the pillars start flying

[amber umbra]

Sounds like a possibility.

[uneven burrow]

i cant ima look it up

the hell i cant find anything about the input

oh

alien power matrix

man i wanted to make flying bois

but dang tier 9

what if i uh

cheat it in

[cobalt meteor]

is the 45-81 rule still a good thing to design to if you want to avoid any clock cycles going past 4dp? i remember that from a while ago but idk if 1.0 or other updates rebalanced recipes to make it not work as well

[grim crane]

Sooo

I just ran out of power
And is 2550 oil into turbo fuel overkill???

Ist one whole ass biome

1416 with the normal recepies and

2720 Liters with alternative recepies

this gonna be fun holy

wait thats 362 generators 😭

[proud totem]

IMO, overkill doesn't exist. Really the 3 rules I go by now (which are somewhat subjective to the individual)

1. Does it produce enough of what you need for other things? (in this case, does it produce enough power, answer is likely yes here)
2. Is it fun?
3. Is it cool?

If 362 generators is not fun, and a lower number is more fun while still producing enough, then do that

[grim crane]

1. 90666 MW, should be enough until nuclear

2. yes

3. fuck yeah

[proud totem]

Then there you go. And I 100% agree

362 generators is sweet

[grim crane]

if i just cheat power shards and 250% the generators i can make it only 146

[proud totem]

Or just go slug hunting for an hour or two and sloop them

But its your game, up to you tbh

[grim crane]

I dont think i can find enough slugs for 438 power shards rn

and i honestly dont care about cheating those

wait Calculator wtf 😭

There is not ENOUGH SULFUR???

[proud totem]

Remove SAM from the inputs

That will force it to use sulfur. It tries to minimize resource inputs and is somewhat opinionated in that

[grim crane]

Ahh k k

[livid turret]

Remove the converter machine from your config

[proud totem]

That also works

[grim crane]

this is gonna be fun

Idk what to do with that much resudue

[proud totem]

Plastic and rubber? Or sink it

Any reason you're not going the diluted fuel route?

[grim crane]

this is gonna become a screw situation again....

[livid turret]

If you get the turbo blend recipe, you can pay more oil in exchange of less sulfur

[grim crane]

dont ahve the blender lol

I barely just unlocked fuel power

[proud totem]

That's fair. Diluted fuel is possible with packagers and refineries, but not the turbo blend

[grim crane]

im just having, minor difuclties rn... and i did not rly even start

[proud totem]

But having a packager/unpackager loop adds some complexity. Though I like loops

[grim crane]

i dont like loops

They where such a headache in my old save

all those loops for the perfect aluminium production

I complety converted like 4 Bauxit nodes...
That shit was ass

[livid turret]

Then a suggestion, just use fuel, packaged diluted is far easier and less trouble than turbo and when you factor everything, turbo is just like 25% more power

[grim crane]

25% more is 25% more

[proud totem]

Fluid loops are way more difficult than item loops IMO though

[grim crane]

Because you cant just make emergency Sinks

YOu need to package then sink for overflow protection

and if you have the loop fill once because of backlog

HF!

[proud totem]

But a packager/unpackager loop ideally has no potential backing up IIRC

Since the loop part is all item based with the canisters

[livid turret]

This is a simple loop

[grim crane]

To simple

time to plan the logistic for that many refineries....

[livid turret]

If you use MK1 conveyor you need to add 50 canisters, faster conveyor = less canisters in the loop

[proud totem]

Technically I think the loop part is all still item-based though

[livid turret]

What do you mean?

[grim crane]

wait does this need water?

[livid turret]

Diluted requires water

[grim crane]

Ew

[magic island]

lifehack: sloop the DPF refinery until you have enough overall canisters in the loop to run indefinitely

[grim crane]

Yeah no not doing that

[proud totem]

The items that are "reused" are not fluids/transferred in pipes. They are canisters which are items. Item-based loops are easier because of overflow splitters. And in this case even easier since the canisters have no input source that could clog the system (unlike bauxite which has an input source and being water, no easy overflow)

[livid turret]

Well, with diluted you get double fuel by adding water...

[grim crane]

I hate using water so much

[proud totem]

Free fuel for water seems like a good trade off to me TBH, but up to you

[grim crane]

I only do it for Pure recepies, because i dont wanna run out of nodes in a 50km radius

Otherwise i would no bother AT all

I absolutly hate working with water

since pipes got introduced im in a constand war with them

[proud totem]

I think we all are

[grim crane]

I honestly want a mod that removes them

I still cant see why everyone wanted them so badly

[proud totem]

Just put an unpackager before every machine \s

[grim crane]

Mhh

that would work, but its still a extra step

[livid turret]

Anyway, BP makes it easy to set diluted packaged, easier than transporting all that sulfur but if you have the infrastructure...

[north mauve]

To continue our conversation from design, I will say yes, that is overkill. Why bother building that much turbo fuel when you can build a comfy amount of turbo fuel (way, wayyyy less than that), and then move to our savior ROCKET FUEL when you unlock it?

[grim crane]

I did do some math on rocket fuel right

and

honestly

I might go to it

but idk if i wanna deal with it

[north mauve]

It's very simple, and I just went with the alt recipe. Gas doesn't need pumps so I built straight up without a care in the world. RF produces so much damn energy per oil node that I coasted on it until phase 5, and then only went over because I was shoving sloops in particle acclerators literally because I was bored of not needing more energy

[grim crane]

yeah but the alt needs the blender

And at that point ill just go full on Nuclear

I have some crazy shit planned for that

[north mauve]

RF is like 100x simpler than nuclear, by the way

And can be set up earlier

[grim crane]

yeah but it uses oil

[north mauve]

I have 35GW from a singular oil node. One. Uno.

[grim crane]

i wanna go away from Oil

At some point

[north mauve]

But you were going to setup 344 gens for turbo fuel

[grim crane]

yes

Or i keep the turbo until i get the blender for rocket fuel

but then its good to already have the resources at one central spot

So i can convert to Rocket easier i guess

Wait

2550 Crude oil is 5600 ROCKET FUEL???

[north mauve]

I believe ideal ratio is 1:2 or at least very close to ideal ratio. I dunno, I just went for a very lazy route.

[magic island]

yeah you get an absurd amount of RF from oil

project-wise I think it is easier to decide how many RF generators you want to build, and then marvel at how little oil it actually requires

[north mauve]

Oops lol no it's 1:4

#screenshots message 150 -> 600, 300 -> 1200, 2550 -> 10,200

[grim crane]

omg i need the smart mod back rn

1358 Fuel generators would be an absolute obsene amount

And i am all for it

and its suprisingly cheap

[north mauve]

Yeah that's why I was wondering why you wanted to go for turbo and then nuclear, yet say RF was too complicated

[grim crane]

I was looking at other recepies

without dilutedr stuff

But this might actually be smt i can setup as part of my turbo fuel factory, and convert to later kinda

There is a small line between genius and madness

And i am riding the mental hostpital line

[grim crane]

Wait when do you unlock the blender?

might just half the Turbo fuel

[tough fiber]

how is instant scrap any good?

[north mauve]

More alum per bauxite at the cost of added complexity and other resources

Also it skips the alumina solution process

But sloppy seems to negate it so I dunno

Bauxite to scrap, instant scrap is 1:2 not bad
Baux to scrap, sloppy + standard is 5:9 which is amazing for how simple it is, but less than instant (by about 1/9?)

[wind spade]

Just go nuclear at that point

[vapid gorge]

... just go nuclear

[drowsy tartan]

I've just got to the stage to start nuclear but is there anything else but to make power with uranium or should i use all of it for powerplants right away

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch uranium

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=uranium

[north mauve]

Nobelisks is all I know

[vapid gorge]

praise the wiki, love the wiki

[vapid gorge]

and unless your plan is to go full nuclear, there's no need for it, you won't need all that power

[north mauve]

Yup just explosives which aren't a real item anyway

[drowsy tartan]

I agree but it only gives the recipies it doesnt say what the end goal you can make with uranium is that is why i asked

but i got it

This good idea??

[vapid gorge]

use a more legible planner and I could give you advice

[vapid gorge]

and just keep clicking the recipes it makes to follow it to the goals...

you aren't locked to the one page

[knotty sedge]

Good luck making that many crystal oscillators and magnetic control rods… not to mention the obscene amount of nuclear waste you’ll need to process, at that point storage imo is basically unreadable, you need to make plutonium and either sink that or continue to ficsonium

[unborn dome]

Would it make sense to make batteries at my aluminum factory? Seems like I'd just have to ship in sulfur.

But also, if I'm going to use batteries and drones, how many batteries/min do I typically need per drone? Like is 60 batteries/min too much? Too little?

[north mauve]

Aww the little tap out the side for nukes

Is that the map maximum non Sam amount of u rods?

[latent anchor]

SAM is insane, because of converters I've planned in my head a gigabase that I could almost certainly ever build centred around converters, production maximization, trains and priority mergers

essentially it would gather all the convertible resources at some central spot through trains, process them using converters to combat shortages later in the production line, and use priority mergers (which I've built working models of) to prioritize use of raw resources over converted ones

[vapid gorge]

you'll never realistically use all the base resources on the map, SAM is more of a gimmick in that respect

[latent anchor]

except for uranium

[vapid gorge]

you don't need that either.

Sure make a bigger power plant. I guess.

[latent anchor]

this is a post-game base

no point except to be big

[vapid gorge]

Well it's more that a PC cannot, physically, process anything even close to all the resources on the map.

[latent anchor]

alas, that may be the case

[vapid gorge]

no it's definitely the case

[latent anchor]

reality doesn't get in the way of me making plans though

I just won't build them

[vapid gorge]

the highest end pcs turn into a slide show getting anywhere near that point

[latent anchor]

I'd just have to see how far I get

this is not the only time I've come up with some stupid idea my computer cannot account for lol, in Shapez I tried to make a make anything machine that outputs 16 full belts

[wind spade]

You most likely cannot realistically use all the power from uranium

[latent anchor]

this base is not realistic

[vapid gorge]

possibly with slooped fully OCed particle accelerators. But at that point your goal is to use the power

[latent anchor]

never said I was gonna build it, but the aim was to use 250% OCed buildings to process as much resources as possible

[vapid gorge]

actually, no, you'd have to mod in extra sloops I think even for that

[wind spade]

Well there are resource limits

[latent anchor]

this is what makes it unrealistic

it's meant to get capped out by the resource limit by using so much

it's mostly an idea I play with in my head

[wind spade]

Yeah and my point is that you can make more power than you'd ever need to process whole map worth of resources

[latent anchor]

the factory is meant to be able to produce the maximum amount of any item possible, so it would use a crazy amount

the stupidest idea I've ever had

very unrealistic goal, but I've come up with a few systems that could be used on a smaller scale because of it

for example, you can use priority mergers with converters to turn excess resources of certain kinds into resources you're lacking, and it can automatically adjust to what the factory needs

anyway, the part I left out here is that I'd want to make power in bursts, by filling a battery and manually cutting the rod supply off from the reactors, before proceeding to wait until the battery is near empty

overall this idea just isn't practical though, and would be better to recreate on a smaller scale with more limited resource availabilities

[unborn dome]

Anyone? Re batteries

[vapid gorge]

look up fuel types in the wiki, it's based off distance traveled

[livid turret]

It depends on distance

[unborn dome]

Yeah but just generally speaking, is 60 batteries/min overall for all my drones a decent number?

I haven't built any yet, trying to figure how big of a battery factory I need.

[vapid gorge]

no idea how many drones you go

[unborn dome]

0 atm lol

[vapid gorge]

then 60 is fine yes

[unborn dome]

But maybe if I had 10 drones?

[vapid gorge]

look up the fuel table, sort out how much they use 😛

I'd say that's probably fine though yes

probably

[unborn dome]

Yeah the wiki only has MJ values and speed, but not burn rate

Like yeah, battery is way better than packaged fuel or turbofuel, but it'd be nice if it said like "units per minute of flight" or something.

[livid socket]

small little math question for this but I might be thinking too hard

if I want to do 10 constructors that are all underclocked by the same amount, do I divide the material input or output by 10?

[unborn dome]

Output

Then type the resulting number into the items/minute field on one machine and copy/paste it onto the rest

[livid socket]

alright was just making sure, thanks

[vapid gorge]

clock them all to 99.26%

[livid socket]

I don't think that's correct

actually

shoot I never remembered the second output

yeah you're right

[timid zenith]

why doesnt my tractor take in coal as a cargo and not fuel?

[charred saffron]

You probably have the wrong input port in the station. The two inputs stacked on each other are for cargo, the third one is for fuel. Trucks and tractors will automatically take fuel if they can fill up their fuel stack with the contents of the fuel slot in the station

[timid zenith]

I know about that, I have all of this yet it doesnt do anything when I press F

[charred saffron]

Fuel doesn't restock when you press F, it just does automatically when you enter the station's range afaik

[timid zenith]

nvm it does transport coal mb all

just had to wait for it to actually do the path

it will now work as a conveyor

[mossy prairie]

how do i even this out so there no odd numbers on belts ive got 510 iron ingots to work with, and if its overkill are there any different items that ishould be using

[vapid gorge]

wdym?

[mossy prairie]

to make it easy for splitting so instead of 472,5 iron ore pm to round it up to 475 while its still at 100% efficientsie

[vapid gorge]

make groups of machiens clocked to what you need on each belt

[magic dock]

If you mean "How do I split this over multiple belts with these numbers": The ingots are a 1:1 ratio so you can just play with the clock speeds of the smelters to match it, same for the iron rods. Both the screw lines and RIF lines are both a multiple of 50 and 5 respectively so just connect the proper amount of machines to each belt

[vapid gorge]

group A smelters make 225 pm
group b makes 137.5 ect

[mossy prairie]

no ive got 510 iron ingot pm to work with and want to have that maximazed while also keeping it at 100% efficientcie

[vapid gorge]

go to inputs, put in 510 ore, then hit maximise

[mossy prairie]

it wont be round to so it would be inpossible to have it split and uuf

stuff*

[vapid gorge]

that's why yo uclock machines to make what you need so you don't have to split it

as per my previous message

[magic dock]

Splitting here is just adding a lot of extra work

[mossy prairie]

i dont think i really understand

[vapid gorge]

make the plan I suggested to maximise, post the image and I'l lwalk you through it

[mossy prairie]

this?

[vapid gorge]

great , what's your fastest belt?

[mossy prairie]

mk 3

[vapid gorge]

Simple then, you have 2 sources of Iron I take it?

[mossy prairie]

huh?

[vapid gorge]

well you can't have 510 on 1 belt right?

[mossy prairie]

yeah

[vapid gorge]

so where is your iron coming from?

[mossy prairie]

ive got the smelteers set up already so 32 smelters with 15 going to an other factory so 17 smelters

[vapid gorge]

ok so do you know how to clock your machines?

[mossy prairie]

yeah

[vapid gorge]

ok so you're going to have to change the clocking of your machines

[mossy prairie]

yup

[vapid gorge]

make group A B and C produce those numbers. And only merge those groups

that way you don't have to do any weird splitting

[timid zenith]

steel

[mossy prairie]

yeah okay

[vapid gorge]

the power of clocking your machines and selectively merging their outputs is probably the single most powerful and simplest logistics method you can do

[wind spade]

The arrows do not represent belts, they show flow of resources. How you lay belts and group machines is up to you 🙂

[mossy prairie]

so this is A

[vapid gorge]

sure

[vapid gorge]

and you could make this B if you wanted

since 1xmk3 belt can hold all of it. And you have constructors all the way down

there's essentially infinite ways you can do the layouts

[mossy prairie]

ohhhh

so just merge them into 1 manifold with different recipes set

[vapid gorge]

that's certainly an option yes

though I highly recommend you plan out how you'll more the screws at least first

planning at least 1 step in advance really helps

[mossy prairie]

or do that with them all no?

yeah

[vapid gorge]

I mean, as long as you have the belth throughput you can have set ups like that yeah

you could have all the rods on one belt and go past both machine groups that need them

[mossy prairie]

il just cheat myself another belt rank and then i should be good with the first part

[vapid gorge]

you really don't need to, and this is part of the learning process because you'll get to the point very quickly no matter what where you'll need more than 1 belt

[mossy prairie]

yeah but otherwise ill have to remove my smelter layout wich is already working

[thorn bane]

you could also just do 1 factory for smart plating and 1 for frames
then you dont have >270 belts

[vapid gorge]

just clock them differently?

[mossy prairie]

then ill have to add more

[vapid gorge]

if that's too much of re working a system as you go you're in for a world of pain later

[mossy prairie]

thats true im gonna build the first part then if i need your help again ill tag you okay?

[vapid gorge]

sure, I might be a sleep in an hour or so though

[mossy prairie]

you live in america?

[vapid gorge]

Australia

[mossy prairie]

how late is it there

[vapid gorge]

1015pm

[mossy prairie]

so 22:15

[wind spade]

@kindred forge see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[uneven burrow]

W H A T

dude i got 300 per minute and i got 9.333k power

cuz im making some packaged turbofuel

[hazy hill]

i think its max power from bottom right location. (excluding impure node)

[charred saffron]

Excluding wells blue crater is probably the best location, yeah

Including oil wells the west coast has a lovely well right next to those 4 nodes, which gives 2700 oil/min total at max overclock. I'm planning my late game rocket fuel over there because the coast also has all the necessary resources to support rocket fuel production

[fierce ruin]

what is considered good production rate out of reinforced iron plates,rotors and modular frames for a 20 h save?

[hazy hill]

the amount you need for further development

[charred saffron]

As much as you need for your use (unhelpful answer, I know).
RIF, rotors and frames are easy, single resource objects, they're easy to produce locally wherever you need them, so produce as many as you need for the factory you make them for, and maybe make like up to 10/min (prb even less) for personal use in building

[carmine fox]

I need some help with rocket fuel production... I would like to use Nitro Rocket Fuel and recycle the compacted coal to turbo fuel and then rocket fuel normal recipe. I have 8000 Fuel / min to work with.. can someone help me?

[fierce ruin]

thx👍

[charred saffron]

I can try and model it out, give me a minute

[uneven burrow]

you gonna have like 120k+ megawats

[carmine fox]

thanks, I am unsure how to do that which is why I asked

[charred saffron]

You sure you have 8k fuel btw? Even with diluted recipes that's a metric fuckton

[hazy hill]

hmm, yeah smth like that. i cant turn on all generators cuz i need 6lvl belts :(

[carmine fox]

yeh, I didn't use all the heavy oil residue

especially with fuel and generators I don't want to deal with pipe messups and fluctuating power which is why I am playing it safe

[uneven burrow]

i just did this

4 refineries each doing 75 turbofuel a minute

-20 for packaged turbofuel

[wind spade]

Just use more of slower belts

[hazy hill]

no, I’m generally satisfied with the amount of energy now. pulling a belt from other nodes to simply turn on all the generators does not sound reasonable. I have a couple of tens of hours left until I reach level 6 of the belts, I’ll definitely have enough energy

[charred saffron]

The compact coal output in the normal rocket fuel blender is being sent back to the turbofuel blender btw, that's a little hard to see in this modeler

Numbers underneath machines are how many of them you need, underneath resource extractors is how much of the resource you need per minute (this makes sense bc of purities and overclocking options, but it's worth noting before confusion sets in)

[uneven burrow]

IS THAT FIVE THOUSAND SULFUR

[carmine fox]

That is a lot of sulfur indeed but hey why not

[charred saffron]

5 and a half k*

[uneven burrow]

dude my power plant uses 60 per minute

[charred saffron]

Bro said they had 8k fuel to spare, I took their word for it

[uneven burrow]

i do use production amplifiers to be fair tho

[charred saffron]

glad I'm not you tho, Maja. holy shit xD

[carmine fox]

well yeah I do have 8k fuel and yeah I'd like to use it properly

ah it'll be fine 😄

I have a working drone setup, getting the sulfur shouldn't be much of a problem

[jade forge]

Hello everyone! Satisfactory Factories update 3 has been released! Check out all the new changes here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU4foy7xFAQ

And here on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1hb4qh0/satisfactory_factories_update_3_released_power/

[carmine fox]

I think I will do 5500 fuel to rocket fuel with alt recipe, that way I will have a bit more compacted coal later than I would need but it should'nt matter much since I can just sink the overflow

[charred saffron]

Your new numbers, my good sir

(just pretend I said that with the most pretentiously rich british accent ever for comedic effect)

[carmine fox]

no I meant just the alt recipe, the number with 5400 in the first picture is where I will go for 5500

that way I can still use the other fuel for turbofuel and rocket fuel later

[unborn ermine]

Codsworth from Fallout 4 it is

[carmine fox]

it's a bit off and won't be perfect, but that's not what I am aiming for anyway

[charred saffron]

Good enough lmao

[carmine fox]

hmm one drone can bring ~200-300 sulfur / min. That will be a lot of drones bringing sulfur

[charred saffron]

I raise you: train

[north mauve]

#math-and-meta message Depends on distance. Two drones with a buffer is probably better. But also, this is why trains exist.

[carmine fox]

I would have to set up a train network spanning the whole map just for the sulfur, so I will stick with the drones

And I already have a train network for my nuclear setup, I'd like to use drones for the rocket fuel setup

Some diversity

[north mauve]

I think I accidentally already have a train near all the sulfur

Ya shoulda built out a map wide train network to start with!

[carmine fox]

But I didn't want to! I felt like going Drones this save 😄

[real raft]

Dear God, and here I was getting annoyed by the numbers for my HMF Factory (The FrameWorks, trying to name my builds)

[hard meadow]

Is there even enough sulfer in the world for that?! Wouldnt you have to use the converter

Also what would you do with the blue stuff

[carmine fox]

no problem, theres 5 pure sulfur nodes + a few normal and impure

[hard meadow]

I forgot what its called

Alright

[real raft]

Polymer Resin.

[carmine fox]

The blue stuff? Water? 😄

[real raft]

Can be turned into Fabric, Plastic, Rubber or just sunk.

[carmine fox]

Ah that lol, I am currently just sinking it

[hard meadow]

Could you put this into modler just so its easer to understand

[hard meadow]

Yeah but thats honestly like a whole diffrent factory. And it cant go strait to the sink... right

[carmine fox]

It can go straight to the sink

[hard meadow]

Oh no

[north mauve]

I always sink my resin

[real raft]

It can, solid part

[carmine fox]

but now that I see that I only need water to make rubber from it I feel like I should do that

[north mauve]

I think I literally don't use resin anywhere except one little fabric factory that backed up 300 hours ago

And maybe at the start of my rubber/plastic recycler

[carmine fox]

since I don't use too much rubber it should be enough rubber for my purposes and I can make a plastic only factory from the other oil

[north mauve]

As a note the magic of diluted fuel and alt rub/plastic recyclers, you can make an enormous plastic factory out of rubber

[wind spade]

the numbers seem to be werid

[hard meadow]

Kinda

[real raft]

You can earn a little boost by processing before sinking, and if you're packaging the fuel for personal/vehicular use you can use that for the packages, at least some of them.

[wind spade]

is that 20 versatile framework? what recipes it uses?

[hard meadow]

Thats just how it turned out

[wind spade]

I got to this

[hard meadow]

Yeah. Just basic

[carmine fox]

This is a great idea actually

[wind spade]

ok with basic recipes it's this

[north mauve]

Psh I only left enough room in the plans for a sink, not for extra cons!

[hard meadow]

I forgot it makes 5 per minute

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[real raft]

I admit, in my current fuel plant I'm just sinking it but that was just to patch my power grid.

[hard meadow]

Can someone do like 50 vf per minute thing for me in modler i cant rn

[real raft]

Next plan is gonna be a Blue Crater turbofuel generator. Once I stop getting sidetracked.

[charred saffron]

I'll do you one better: look up on steam "Satisfactory Modeler." It's free

[wind spade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=RrtbjEMIDsAHH1ImwjaN

[hard meadow]

I know but I litterly cant rn

[real raft]

Available alts?

[hard meadow]

Basicaly all avialable ones yeah

[charred saffron]

I can't either. I was omw home from uni

[real raft]

Wanna use base or flexible for the VF?

[wind spade]

Tools are free and don't need steam to use 😛

[hard meadow]

Thanks. How do you gets yours to look like the the normal one is so much more confusing

[wind spade]

wdym "normal one"?

[hard meadow]

When I use tools it looks diffrent

I swear

[wind spade]

Tools always look like this

do you maybe use SCIM instead?

[hard meadow]

Nahh its ok i can do it

[hard meadow]

Yeah I thought thwy were the same

Crap

[static drift]

Nope, not the same. Tools is better imho

[wind spade]

no, SCIM, despite having a "calculator" in name, is generally used just for the map, while Tools are used for calculations 🙂

[hard meadow]

Tools is a little confusing with alts

[north mauve]

Tools is better for two things that really stick out

1. Tabs!
2. Disable default recipes, mainly for converters and shards

[hard meadow]

Esspecialy on my phone

[north mauve]

I used the calc up until phase 5 when it became worthless

[wind spade]

how so?

(also it isn't really designed for phone, but should work on phones, just may be a bit weird UI sometimes)

[north mauve]

I really liked the calc, and the UI is great, I like the viewer. But it's literally worthless if it involves shards or converters

[hard meadow]

Yeah its just loading weird and stuff ill just wait till im home

[wind spade]

personally I'd mention "speed" and "optimisation" 🤔

[hard meadow]

Thats just why I like modeler

Modeler has everything and its easy

[wind spade]

if you have an issue, feel free to share an image, I may look at it and tell you what's wrong or if it's a bug

[wind spade]

doesn't have any optimisation and you have to click everything manually 🤔

[hard meadow]

Idk I like it personaly

Never had any problems

[wind spade]

again, if you have problem with Tools, show us the problem and we can help you

[hard meadow]

Ok

[real raft]

I do get kinda annoyed when the flow chart in modeler limits itself based on an abundant resource but otherwise I like it.

[north mauve]

Oh? I can't tell.

Though tools may be a bit faster if it would wait for me to update the input numbers before trying for 10 😛

It does a thing where after selecting an item for input, I click in the number textbox, and then it does three things: refreshes the item that I just selected (slow image loading? but it's already loaded in the dropdown, how come it has to reload it in the field?) and then defocuses my cursor from the number input, which is very frustrating. And after that it refreshes the calculation.

I'd prefer if it:

1. Didn't take away my focus on the number input
2. Not refresh/recalculate until I've entered in the number I want. Maybe defaulting to empty string would be better, rather than 10, so it doesn't have to do the little dance

[wind spade]

I had SCIM take literal minutes or even crash a browser when doing large scale production

[north mauve]

Ah, perhaps I just don't build big enough

[wind spade]

maybe it was just the realistic layout, but still

[wind spade]

not sure what the "focus taken away" is caused by 🤔 it's definitely not intentional

(but also, even if the default was empty, it would still recalculate)

[mossy prairie]

im gonna need some help hee just finished all the contrucotors except for the 6,6667 for the iron rods so i should have 100 iron ingot remaining but i somehow still have 190 iron ignots left went over the entire factory to find were the calculations werent corect but i didnt find anything anyone can help?

[neon nexus]

Hi, I've done the maths to produce 30 versatile Frameworks per minute but I'm left with some odd ratios on my input of Iron and Copper (I need respectively 100 and 50 of each per minute)
But this left me feeling weird about that and I was wondering If any of you had a "soluce" to avoid that
Usually I just multiply it so that I can get a factor of at least 30 or 60 but then I end up building too big factories :/

[wind spade]

generally I'd just clock the miner and go with whatever numbers I need

[neon nexus]

But I feel like I'm losing productivity by doing that, since I've never been really far in the game I wonder if this can become an issue later on

[wind spade]

by the same definition you're losing productivity by not using every single node on the map