math-and-meta

[long shuttle]

if i have 2 refineries at the same level would it still be bad to send the output of the 1st ref below the floor and then bring it out right before the input of the 2nd ref?

[prisma kraken]

doing this is bad mojo... having manifold consumers at 2 different heights prioritizes fluid flow to the machines at the lower level which will starve ones on the upper level by creating backflow. instead of fluid entering a machine that it was intended to reach, it flows back down

[unborn ermine]

if its simple it can work, but only if it is.

[prisma kraken]

pipe rule #3 is keep all consumers of a pipe network on the same level

[unborn ermine]

I have my alumina solution going down and back up, but in a very simple manner.

[long shuttle]

they aren't at 2 different heights, i have 1 refinery that is sending fluids into another refinery and i was thinking of ways to nicely route the pipes and was wondering if underfeeding would be an issue if both machines are on the same floor

[prisma kraken]

(rule #1 is keep pipe networks simple) 🙂

it shouldn't be if the intakes on all consumers are level

bottom feeding does cause other issues which can be a hassle, but generally it works. Just when it doesn't things are really tricky to figure out with the extra complexity

(there was a reason i stated rule 1)

[prisma kraken]

gotta love building in the swamp, lol

[long jungle]

it works

[fringe seal]

that's it for today

using the ramp makes the rail there significantly easier but still kinda difficult

no decoration whatsoever still

[cinder crystal]

Is the 900/m plastic plan shown in the wiki still valid with 1.0?
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Plastic

[fringe seal]

you'd be using packager to un/package fuel, not refinery

so, significant reduction in footprint

do you have access to blender?

[cinder crystal]

I figured that out. Which is why I'm asking if it's still valid mathwise.
I have, I'm on phase 4, just unlocked the thermal propultion rocket and find myself in need of a lot more plastic. So decided to go for broke.

[fringe seal]

blender is in tier 7

[cinder crystal]

Yes, and I have it unlocked. Ah, you mean to do the dilluted fuel recipe in the blender instead of dilluted packaged fuel?

[fringe seal]

if you have it

the recipe

[cinder crystal]

I do.

[fringe seal]

I have no idea whether the diagram math is correct or not tbh, I need to calculate it myself

[patent blaze]

do i have to be worried

[fringe seal]

the strategy should be correct

[next bone]

uh uh

[patent blaze]

its whatever really lol

[fringe seal]

idk like, it seems to resolve to 900 plastic / min

but you should also calculate it yourself

[patent blaze]

who invented the 7:13 pure iron ingot ratio

i want to hurt them

[plain fossil]

ok i have 900 packaged sulfuric acid ready

how long will that last me

[plain fossil]

lmao yeah, i wanted to use it but basic ingot was 20 smelters, pure is 9,231 refineries

[patent blaze]

i will just tank it

but it will hurt me

i did 9600/128 into each machine but that gives like 139,289 output

[plain fossil]

yummy sulfuric acid

ignore the pipes

[cinder crystal]

It seems to be correct too. Thank you.

[fringe seal]

uncooked spaghetti

[jolly furnace]

just finished my HMF factory. is there a better way to align these manufacturers such that they take less space?

[plain fossil]

with mods

[sand epoch]

Face/face sushi or lotw of cliped belts

[oblique hollow]

i mostly use vertical splitters and then connect them to the manufacturer with lifts
first splitter is ground level, second one is higher up, etc.

[gray quarry]

give me that inventory, a constructor and a sombersloop and im getting so much tickets

[vast mist]

the lifts can be on top of each other like this

(ignore the full belts; seems I forgot to power the sink or something)
(yeah that's what it was.. why do I keep doing that)

[low veldt]

Hey guys. Can someone tell me if my early game power grid is set up right. I have it like this

Constructor (produce biomass from leaves/wood) > Constructor (produce solid biofuel from biomass > 3 way conveyor splitter > 3 biomass burners. I dont plan to add a 4th before i unlock coal

[vast mist]

better angle

you do have to line up the lifts with scaffolding (stackable conveyor poles or splitters/mergers) because the manufacturers inputs aren't on the grid so they won't line up with your bus coming from the side otherwise

[vast mist]

when you unlock overclocking and slooping you'll want to scale that up a little
I still have my 900 MW early game power plant up and running; it acts as a sort of emergency battery if I go over budget

[vast mist]

I'm building an aluminum factory at the moment, 4 floors producing 150 ingots per minute each, using sloppy alumina + electrode scrap + pure aluminum ingot
each floor requires 150 water per minute and produces 105, meaning I'll need to supply 45 water per minute per floor
what I was wondering is, could I feed them all with a single pipe and a water extractor overclocked to 180 per minute?
I feel like it'd work fine if I built the machines next to each other, but I want to make it a big tower so I'll need to use pumps and presumably valves
I've never used valves before, so I'm not sure whether just setting one to 45 per minute on each floor would do the trick
I fear that if it's too little, the machines will throttle, but if it's too much, the machines will eventually fill up and be unable to continue working until they're drained

I guess my question is, if a refinery is outputting water into the pipes, does that prevent a valve from output water into those same pipes?
or, does the valve take precedence, preventing the refinery from emptying?
or is it a secret third thing

[brisk smelt]

dont put valves

feed n floors with freshwater and m floors with wastewater, that should be the better one

[vast mist]

I'm not sure the lowest common denominator for 105 and 150 will fit my 4 floors

each floor has one sloppy alumina refinery clocked to 75% and one electrode scrap at 100% (and 5 smelters but that's not relevant)

[brisk smelt]

hmm then try first, sounds good in theory but implementation is more important here

[vast mist]

perhaps it's easier to just run 4 pipes; I'm already running 3 for aesthetic reasons (2 of which I planned to leave empty)

would be nice if they made valves support floating point numbers like the pipes that are attached to them

anyway thanks for the advice; I'll run some experiments with valves before trying them in an actual factory

[prisma kraken]

yeah, it all went to tickets, my 'stuff processor' was chewing on it a while!

...just checked, 30 tickets away from nut #2

[steel knot]

What’s the best way to incorporate sloops in rocket fuel?

[prisma kraken]

probably the end blending step

why is it every time i travel to the swamp it turns to night time?

it doesn't really, but i swear it feels like it, lol

[steel knot]

To use the compacted coal in a turbofuel loop?

[prisma kraken]

well, there's 2 recipes for rocket fuel, one of them doesn't take turbofuel and probably is the better one for slooping

on top of that, the other rocket fuel recipe that does take turbofuel as an ingredient - the turbofuel has 3 recipes, one of which doesn't use compacted coal

but what's true for any sort of production chain that you intend on using sloops, you get the most value from slooping and overclocking the end step

if you're looking for a pros and cons to the different methods for producing rocket fuel, that is a different question which doesn't have an objective 'the best' sort of answer

here's a comparison i drew up comparing what are the 4 real recipe chains for rocket fuel with 600 sulfur as input being held constant between them

if you were instead to hold the crude oil input constant, you'd find that nitrorf is the winner

note: the default tf and heavy tf have both compacted coal as input and output, and the input could be reduced by recycling the byproduct. my comparison does not factor that in

none of the recipes except for the heavy turbofuel path are bad and all three of the good ones most likely will give you enough power to 'win' the game, so its really personal choice as to what you want to build past that

also, the 'power used' stat is probably a little off from actual values, but is a pretty good proxy for how complicated the build of rf will end up being

[vast mist]

okay I did one experiment so far
with a valve set to 45 it rounds down to 44.9, which results in the refinery shutting off for a few seconds every once in a while
with a valve set to 47 it rounds up to 47.2, which results in the scrap refinery filling up with water byproduct and breaking the system
so I guess valves work exactly as expected: poorly

[prisma kraken]

yeah, valves only throttle in 1/256th increments of the pipe flow rate for some dumb reason

tl;dr. don't use em

[vast mist]

I just wanted to know exactly what the rammifications of the limitation would be, and yeah they're really bad

[prisma kraken]

i don't think they even prevent backflow properly, though its been a few years since i even bothered building one except as a cosmetic piece (they do look kinda cool)

[vast mist]

for aesthetics I've taken a liking to the pipeline wall mounts, you can shift them 2.5m into a wall and get a neat detail piece

like this

but I guess that's not really on topic in the math channel

[jolly furnace]

for the phase 3 items did you guys end up using trains or not?

I have not touched trains yet and I just finished all the milestone req for 5 and 6

[vast mist]

the small patch of oil at the edge of the dune desert and surrounding nodes were all I needed for phase 3

[jolly furnace]

yeah I kinda figured

I looked at the breakdown for the engine parts and its not that

[vast mist]

I did use vehicles, mainly explorers to bring over phase 2 project parts from their factory

[jolly furnace]

necessary

yeah I have 4.8k advanced frames thats been sitting in storage fromphase 2

[vast mist]

I built the phase 3 factory with the speed of the phase 2 factory in mind, so that it could keep working at full speed after supplies ran out

a 2 hour wait for a project part is fast enough; it takes longer than that to build the factory, so I just do other stuff while I wait for them to produce

[stone delta]

Hey guys. I wanted to report that I have finally solved the sloshing/free-head-lift issue that was plaguing vertical pipe manifolds. I call it the NIH pipe manifold. We should get together some time and test it out for verification and pursue a publication on this finding.

[low veldt]

Its too late to math. I just unlocked coal. I am only using one conveintly located water extractor for now and a pure coal node. Looks like my most limiting factor is Mk1 pipeline speed? Can i safely do three generators with one water extractor and one pure coal node?

[stone delta]

The ratio is 8 coal generators for 3 water extractors.

[low veldt]

So looks like i can only do 2 at the moment. Thanks.

[stone delta]

Yeah. I recommend just sticking with blocks of 8. Makes the math easier.

[low veldt]

Well im just starting the game and i dont need much power right now and i dont want to find a bunch of water sources yet

[stone delta]

That's fair. It takes the about 24 coal generators to advance to the next power source. I recommend automating the parts needed for coal generators and water extractors for scalibilty in the future.

[low veldt]

Oh wow ok. Thanks for the tip. One last question. If i keep my biomass burners, will they only burn fuel for peaks that my coal cant keep up with or will they burn fuel anyway

[stone delta]

They only burn fuel above what coal cannot produce.

[stone delta]

I can hop int your game session and help you with power if you would like.

[prisma kraken]

yes, on demand power backup until you get power storage unlocked. worth keeping the burners around for a little while after transitioning to coal for that reason

[versed violet]

Is this thing in the hub new?

[vast mist]

looks like a snow globe, probably related to ficsmas

unrelated to anything: I just realized you need to deal with both outputs to make aluminum
if you let the scrap build up without using or sinking it, it will permanently brick the system until you flush the pipes and deal with it

[versed violet]

scrap is easy, just overflow into sink. water is hard because cannot sink fluids

[plush gulch]

Every pure recipe or wet concrete is pretty nice though

[vast mist]

it's not that it's difficult, it's just something that had me scratching my head why it stopped working when I dealt with the fluids correctly

the scrap built up so it couldn't produce any more, which means it couldn't take any more alumina solution
that then slowly built up because it still had 45 water per minute from an extractor
after a while there was no more room for alumina solution so it started filling up the water
once that happens it's joever, the system can't fix itself until you drain it

felt like a detective working out what happened to my factory

[versed violet]

shouldnt be possible to fill up on water if you built the system correctly aka some refineries running solely on recycled water

[vast mist]

this one's just two refineries total to get me sheets so I could use mk5 belts to build the actual factory

[livid turret]

The interesting thing is that it says snow biome

[versed violet]

thats what got me thinking. is it a sign of things yet to come? Or just a joke saying "you have snow biome at hub"

[livid turret]

Joke most probably

The balancing of a new biome would be difficult

[vast mist]

I'm not sure how to make this work.. it'd be easy if electrode scrap output 100 water per minute, but it's 105

[oblique venture]

is 4 thermal propulsion rockets /min a reasonable goal?

it seems like the hardest part is the modular engines lol

I already have 50 motors/min automated and 1000 rubber

6 fused modular frames being made, and a temporary 4 turbomotors, and another temporary 30 cooling systems (all in /min)

so I think 4 thermal propulsion rockets/min would be a good goal to work towards, am I missing something?

[jolly furnace]

what weapon do you guys use the most? I have been rocking the shatter rebar gun for a while but was wondering if the rifle is any good

[vast mist]

the rifle is great

the other ammo types for it are cool, but the standard stuff is good enough for me

[jolly furnace]

alr cool thanks

also. are the turbo engine and the ACU important crafting items? I decided for the phase 3 launch it would save me a lot of time and stress to just use already stored items I have to produce them rather than automating them

[vast mist]

adaptive control unit is an ingredient for one of the phase 4 items so you'll want to automate those for sure

same for modular engines

[jolly furnace]

just for the next phase 4 launch?

[unborn ermine]

Basically ANY of the space elevator parts are needed for the next phase products

its a chain

[vast mist]

all the the phase 3 items are used for phase 4, and all the phase 4 items are used for phase 5
yeah what that guy said

[vast mist]

okay I guess I could do it like this, but it won't fit with the modular skyscraper idea I had in mind

[jolly furnace]

oka cool that is a tomorrow problem then

[prisma kraken]

those numbers work out nicer when you put sloppy at 75% and electro at 100%

[vast mist]

I do that for my current design yeah, it's just that each set of machines requires some fresh water, rather than having some run purely on fresh water and some purely on waste water (which someone here recommended I do)

[prisma kraken]

yeah, if you are separating the pipes, i gotcha

[vast mist]

that's what I'm gonna have to do I think, just run 4 pipes up the tower

each carrying 45 water per minute, because the 44.9 or 47.2 I could get from a valve would result in problems

[prisma kraken]

i honestly just mix the water feeds and then put an overflow sink on the scrap line

[vast mist]

I think that would work great if everything was level, but I've got one set of machines per floor, with pumps in between

pumps also act as valves right? so the lower floors would get to much water I think

[prisma kraken]

yeah, bad mojo to have consumers at different levels of a pipe

[vast mist]

if I wanted to start this project from scratch I'd give myself more space and add a packager on each floor
so I just bring water bottles up and empty ones down, and clock the packagers exactly right

[prisma kraken]

i build aluminum in pretty much the stupidest way possible

[vast mist]

just sinking the excess water in bottles? based

[prisma kraken]

no, that's the freshwater. because i'm coming of of a fracking well for water, i can't control how much i'm getting in each pipe w/o a package/unpackage

[vast mist]

oh that's funny, I didn't realize it worked like that

I wanted to build a factory around a water well but now I'm not sure whether I want to mess with those if it adds a lot of complication

[prisma kraken]

you can set the clock rate for the fracker, but not each individual tap

so, i'm using all of the water for aluminum and also a pure cat factory, as such, i can't clock the fracker down, so yeah, its low tech but it works out with the value add of the pipes not needing pumps

i had it running for a while with water being pumped up as well, the design works regardless

[prisma kraken]

i guess you're doing the pink forest bauxite as a megalithic build?

[vast mist]

when I designed this I decided water would be a problem for future me (I am now future me)

[vast mist]

no actually this is on the west coast using bauxite I bring over from one of the nearby mountains

I starting to favor building near oil, it's just so versatile

[prisma kraken]

gotcha, that's still pink forest bauxite 🙂

[vast mist]

oh my bad I didn't realize

[prisma kraken]

there's oil up there at crater lakes, btw

[vast mist]

aye, I plan to make rocket fuel and maybe fused modular frames there

[prisma kraken]

fmf's are one of the things on my 'next' list

[vast mist]

I used tickets to buy some radio control units so I could get drones early
that way I could for example make the heavy modular frames in the dune desert where there's plenty of resources and space, then just fly them over to the crater for further refinement

[prisma kraken]

yeah, good way to go

[vast mist]

I keep trying to make myself like vehicles, and sometimes I almost succeed
but then I have to rerecord a route 6 times because of various issues

my favorite has to be the explorer, since it has good speed and handling; I used it to bring phase 2 project parts from my factories in the forest to the oil at the edge of the desert for phase 3

I was close to giving up after the recording showed the vehicle docking at every port in the factory instead of the one I was next to for the fourth time, but then I realized I could just remove the unwanted nodes

satisfactory modeler has been absolutely invaluable since I started using it
(the zeroed out buildings are ones I was planning on including but decided not to for the sake of getting it done)

okay I'll stop typing and let someone else have a word
(none of my friends are interested in the game so I have a lot of info dumping to catch up on, but perhaps I don't need to do that at 6:28 AM)

[prisma kraken]

yeah, vehicles are good for simple loops where trains are a little too much. I find out of all of them the tractor to be the best for its capacity, handling and smallish hitbox. I use them all for simple tasks because having the activity around is nice.

any time i try to create a shipping/distribution hub with multiple vehicles and stops, i end up regretting the attempt 😄

[steel knot]

What causes my ionized refinery to stall at 83% efficiency? It’s slooped and has plenty of input. It finishes and then the output pipe to the packager takes a few seconds to empty

[vast mist]

I just ran a test for like 15 minutes where I have a water extractor producing 46 m3 per minute into a valve set to 46 m3 per minute, which according to the valve is rounded to 44.9 m3 per minute
because of this rounding, there should be an extra 1.1 m3 water per minute produced that builds up inside the extractors reservoir (so about 15 total after the test)
here's the interesting thing: there isn't; it's able to dump its water with no issues whatsoever
what this tells me is that while the valve says the flow limit is 44.9 m3 per minute, it actually is 46 m3 per minute

another test I could run is time it precisely and see how much water I can build up into a fluid buffer in a certain amount of time
or maybe I'll put two buffers with different valves and compare them

[prisma kraken]

seriously, i wouldn't even bother trying to reason about valves. just don't use them

[vast mist]

I like doing the research just for its own sake

[prisma kraken]

yeah, we all have and conclusion has been reached by consensus, lol

they're incredibly poorly implemented and no problems in the game need them

the closest explanation to how they really function i've seen is in McGalleon's pipe guide, and i'm not sure that even correctly describes how they work

[vast mist]

after a few minutes I'm noticing the difference between the buffers just about matches the difference between the valves, another indicator that the 8 bit thing might only be for the UI, not actually affecting the valve's real flow rate

[prisma kraken]

its possible, and also possible that the ui is displaying a rounded number

[vast mist]

maybe I'm researching wrong, but so far what I've found doesn't line up with what I've read

it's funny that it first "rounds" it to steps of 600/254, then chops off all but the first digit after the point

[prisma kraken]

i haven't touched them in quite a while, but someone mentioned to me that there may have been a bugfix

i'm honestly of the opinion that if you can get a valve to do the exact thing you want, its from sheer dumb luck

[vast mist]

this doesn't feel like a coincidence

(the calculator on the left is the values inside the buffers, the one on the right is the values of the valves)

[prisma kraken]

i think maybe you're getting good results because buffers also do funny things

[vast mist]

I guess I'll need another way to test it, like packaging the water and storing that for counting

the pipes right before the valves say 44 and 46 respectively as well (sometimes flucuating by 1 in either direction, but with these as their center points)

[prisma kraken]

maybe? idk... many people have tried all sorts of experiments and can talk your ear off about things they've tried

[vast mist]

are those documented anywhere? I'd love to learn more

[prisma kraken]

I don't know where, some people who chat here love running tests on it all though

my solution to such problems is just to build things in a way that they work because they're so simple

[vast mist]

some more testing with refineries shows that if I provide way too much fresh water it clogs the system, but if I provide only a bit too much (for example 80 where it requires 45), it just kinda sorts itself out by lowering the flow rate every once in a while

which is weird, but whatever I guess

I can definitely see why people don't use valves, but I do think they're interesting if nothing else

[vast mist]

it seems the cutoff for it sorting itself out is probably 2x the desired value
so 80 will work because it throttles itself low enough often enough, but 100 slowly builds up because it's too much

by sorting itself out I mean I start with all the pipes full and the refinery's output having 25 m3 water
then I set the valve value and wait a few minutes; if the value eventually reaches 0 that means we're good

I even put a pump right in front of the valve to make sure it's not headlift priority or something

[cyan heath]

Is this a good start for my factory?

Both nodes are normal

What should I do next?

[prisma kraken]

probably belt the ingots into making some plates, rods and screws

[cyan heath]

Okay, what I was thinking too. Screws are a bitch, lmao

Wait one second

Should I belt miner 2 into miner 1 instead?

Feel that would be more space efficient

[prisma kraken]

they're not that bad, the initial rips and rotors you need them for are better made in volume later with alternate recipes, so going overboard on screws isn't really something you should do - just make enough to satisfy the rip and rotor production lines so you have those (more important) parts automated. You might want to set aside a stack of screws for making some equipment, but you really don't ever need them for building stuff

[cyan heath]

rip?

[prisma kraken]

only building that takes screws to make is the awesome shop kiosk

[cyan heath]

Oh reinforced iron plates lol

[prisma kraken]

reinforced plate

[vast mist]

rest in peace - make gravestones in the new halloween update

[cyan heath]

How should I go about making screws? My previous factory wasn't able to keep up with the screw production to make enough rotors

[prisma kraken]

belting miners together isn't good or bad to do, you have 4 smelters and probably only have 60/min belts atm, so until you get mk2 belts, you can't make use of all the extra ore anyway

[cyan heath]

I have mk 2 conveyors

[prisma kraken]

(2 smelters are satisfied with 60/min - 4 of them take 120/min

[cyan heath]

I'm at phase 2 currently

[prisma kraken]

um, ok, well, i saw 4 smelters, lol

[cyan heath]

So should I replace my conveyors with rips or just leave em mark 1?

[prisma kraken]

mk2 conveyors are incredibly pricey early on, use them when the extra speed is needed

[vast mist]

the main line going into the smelters will have to be at least mk2, since you've got 120 items across the 4 of them

[prisma kraken]

when you get the mk3 conveyors, they're a lot cheaper to build with - that's when i change my belt hotkey to an upgraded belt

a similar thing happens with the mk4->5 belts

[cyan heath]

Gotcha. So mk 2 belt the ore into the smelters, then only use them if transporting resources into other buildings is necessary?

[prisma kraken]

use your judgement

[vast mist]

I'd say that example falls under "if necessary" yeah; 120 is a bigger number than 60
as in, if you take 2 miners that each provide 60, you can't combine them into a single mk1 belt, they'll throttle

[cyan heath]

Gotcha

[prisma kraken]

you can often also double up mk1 conveyors for longer distances to save on some materials

[cyan heath]

There are deadass 5 iron ore nodes nearby my factory LMAO

[prisma kraken]

but really, early on, you should try keeping your intro factory from sprawling too crazily. less is more.

[vast mist]

you'll need em; then as you unlock overclocking and higher tier belts and miners you can split off a single node into all the places that used to be fed by multiple, and use the now freed up nodes for more factories

[cyan heath]

Yea my last factory was ass

(For reference)

[prisma kraken]

i mean, it looks like an early game factory, lol

[cyan heath]

Christ there is so MUCH to learn lmao

[vast mist]

I feel like I'm still a novice and I've been playing for almost 500 hours since 1.0 came out (I'm.. unemployed)

[prisma kraken]

i still have mine at home base and it looks worse than yours, lol

[cyan heath]

There's also a 6th one underneath some of that foundation

I just didn't use it cause it didn't line up with the others lmao

[prisma kraken]

i think it took me about 1000 hrs to really figure out what i was doing, lol

[vast mist]

I'm still using my factory from before I unlocked foundations to make plates, rods, and screws for personal use

oh and also wires, cables, sheets

why rebuild it when I have bigger better things to make on the other side of the map

[cyan heath]

Should I belt the resources into all their own different constructors?

[prisma kraken]

my intro trainwreck

[vast mist]

1000 times yes
using a shared container will bite you in the ass so quickly

[cyan heath]

Right I figured.

What should I produce in each?

[vast mist]

I tend to just go for one machine of each resource, overclocked if necessary (some recipes are really slow)

you'd think 5 per minute isn't enough, but if you just go out slug hunting for an hour and come back you'll have a lifetime supply

[cyan heath]

I'll probably go with 2 for screws in that case. My last factory was producing only 40 per minute which couldn't produce the rotors efficiently

Though having 2 screw constructors is only 80 per min

[prisma kraken]

yeah, for rotors and rips you really want to make screws that go straight into the assemblers for the part

it takes 120 ingots/min for 10 rips/min and 90/min for 8 rotors/min if you make the parts for them as standalone builds

[cyan heath]

When it comes to putting the rods into the screw constructors should I make separate ones?

This is confusing 😭

[prisma kraken]

if you don't have the cast screw alt recipe, sure

[cyan heath]

How do I go about unlocking alt recipies? Should I go hunting for drop pods?

[vast mist]

yep

[prisma kraken]

yeah, you need to unlock the MAM to research them if you haven't already

[cyan heath]

I have

[prisma kraken]

each crash site has a hard drive you collect and then analyze in the mam which gives you RNG choices for alt recipes

[vast mist]

almost every factory I build uses alt recipes, they're great

[cyan heath]

Is there any way to scan for them or no?

[vast mist]

oh yeah if you want a specific recipe, save after the 10 minute wait, then reroll
if you don't get what you want, load your save and reroll again
don't do this while manually uploading items to the dimensional depot if you don't want to dupe stuff
(I think it happens after you die with keep inventory on? I'm not 100% on the details so I just make sure I'm not uploading while I save)
(this isn't relevant for you yet I figure but it will be at some point)

[prisma kraken]

researching all the stuff the mam allows for really makes a lot of stuff easier

[vast mist]

yeah I think you unlock it in the quartz research tree

[prisma kraken]

the object scanner equipment can be upgraded to find hd's, but you have a lot of stuff to unlock before you can do so

i think that's gated my oscillators in the quartz tree

its kind of a phase 3ish unlock

[cyan heath]

Ugh, gotta go out and find Quartz then

[vast mist]

oscillators are super worth it to automate, not just for their practical uses and sink value, but because you can make billboards for fancy lighting

[cyan heath]

Any tips for that or is it just "Have good eyes"

[prisma kraken]

build something high and look around 🙂

[vast mist]

if you don't object to using external tools, I like the interactive map on satisfactory calculator
though this new to the game it might be more fun to just explore; external tools come into play later when you have grand plans

[cyan heath]

I'm honestly looking to just find it, exploration can come when I need it haha

[vast mist]

looks like you're in the rocky desert; go to the north west corner of the map, you'll find a coast with some coal nodes
nearby there's a cave entrance, might be blocked off I don't remember (there are other entrances but I'm bad at giving directions)
deep inside that cave, past the horrible spiders, you'll find quartz

[prisma kraken]

good tip: in the quartz tree, the bladerunner equipment is really 'OMG how did i live without them'

[vast mist]

I do not miss being unable to jump on 4m foundations lol

I mean I still could with slide jumping but it was awkward

[cyan heath]

Over here?

[vast mist]

yeah that's the corner; coal nodes aren't showing up because you only have pure nodes visible

[prisma kraken]

nearly all the hd's in rocky desert can be obtained without special equipment

[cyan heath]

Unless I'm in the wrong place, I don't see my nodes here

[vast mist]

oh and tame doggos when you can
I had one give me 8 turbo motors right when I unlocked the sink
one of them gave me enough coupons to unlock pretty much everything right away

[vast mist]

you're not looking for quartz nodes, you're looking for a massive cave entrance

[prisma kraken]

iirc, there's 2 that you need to build ramps to collect, but the rest are pretty much finding the special spot to jump up to

[vast mist]

see the yellow? that's the cave

if the entrance near the coast is blocked, try one of the other ones; I'm confident the one on the east should be open

[cyan heath]

...Are we using the same website?

[prisma kraken]

(clearing RD of drives is usually my first expedition early on in the game)

[vast mist]

ye just differnet settings

[cyan heath]

Okay nvm lol

[vast mist]

this is the journey (cause I'm like 70% sure the west entrance is blocked by rubble)

[prisma kraken]

i started in grass fields this time around, so i grabbed the closer to home ones first in this playthrough, but most of the hd's in the starting biomes are pretty easy to get

[vast mist]

I started in the forest, the spot with 6 pure iron nodes, it worked well but I eventually built some hypertube cannons and started making outposts elsewhere

[prisma kraken]

i think you need some ramps to get over the ledge to get into the cave, bringing some concrete with you is helpful

[vast mist]

aye never leave home without concrete

and get depots for your basic items asap

I do not miss running home for 6 iron rods

[prisma kraken]

but that cave has some friendly inhabitants that you may want the basher upgrade to deal with

[vast mist]

I play with retaliate because at some point the enemies became less of an obstacle and more of a nuisance

[prisma kraken]

(or candy cane)

[vast mist]

like, I have bombs, stop biting me

man it's 9:25 AM and I haven't slept yet

even for the weekend this is excessive

[cyan heath]

It is

Guess who just found out the hard way

[vast mist]

oof

you're gonna love nobelisks

[wanton basin]

is there an equation for how much more power over clocking & using somersloop?

[vast mist]

non-answer but I tend to just start it up and find out
without power storages I'd explode my grid half the time
some reference values are approx 50 MW for a constructor, 200 for an assembler, 700 for a manufacturer (all max overclock/sloop)

[cyan heath]

I HEARD A LOUD NOISE AND THEN A FUCKING STINGER JUMPSCARED ME

I'm too tired for this shit why am I playing this game at 3am

[vast mist]

oh lord maybe these quartz nodes aren't worth it without proper weapons

there's also SAM tho, so if you can find some steel pipes at crash sites and a handful of mercer spheres you'll be able to make dimensional depots, the best thing since 1.0

[cyan heath]

I got some quartz. Didn't have the wire to build a mam machine right then and there tho so it's back off to the factory to get it

I just saved and quit though. Too tired to keep going lol

[vast mist]

fair yeah, it's nice to sleep sometimes

before you head home I recommend getting a ton of quartz and SAM, as much as you can carry

using portable miners if you have the resources to make them on hand; otherwise just press E and afk for a few minutes I guess

[warm bane]

I've seen people say that the Instant Plutonium Cell alternate recipe is a trap, why is that ?

[fossil galleon]

first time using this app and I fuckin love it

61.5 GW, 1475 rubber & plastic and 250 extra turbofuel from 1 pure, 2 normal and 1 impure node

these nodes exactly

god I love when stuff lines up

[prisma kraken]

i'm making 120 gw of power, 3600 rubber and 900 plastic off of that oil

[fossil galleon]

good for you man,

[prisma kraken]

its a lotta oil, lol

[fossil galleon]

idk what's the most efficient, just started playing around with recycled rubber and plastic

don't even know if rocket fuel is the move

[prisma kraken]

i can say yes to rf

its really good for power

[fossil galleon]

you got a schematic of yours?

I just wanted to skip all the compacted coal and nitric acid, hence the nitro rocket fuel

probably not the most efficient resource wise but idrc

[prisma kraken]

this is pretty much the build sans some clocking differences

2000 rf feeds 192 generators at 250%

my plan is to upgrade it to ion fuel, but i have other stuff i need to build first and i'm not hurting for power

[fossil galleon]

sick

ig there's a thing or two I still need to learn lol

[outer vale]

Just seeing how quickly storage would fill with Plutonium waste, any mistakes here?

• 9 plutonium rods/min makes 90 waste/min
• Waste stacks to 500, double crate has 48 slots, so that's 24,000 waste per double crate
• 9 double crates then holds 216,000 waste
• At 90/min, that's 2400 minutes = 40 hours with just 9 double crates

I'd much prefer to do wasteless, but man you get so much more power burning the plutonium

and without spending like 7500 SAM to make Ficsonium

[prisma kraken]

yeah, your math looks right

[fossil galleon]

wait you're making 3600 rubber + 900 plastic from 450 oil + 600 resin?

[prisma kraken]

no, 1) you are reading that wrong and 2) it doesn't list the plastic and rubber production

[fossil galleon]

no but the 2k rocket fuel takes 900, which leaves 450 out of the initial 1350

[prisma kraken]

that's the power. it makes 120gw off of 900 oil, 600 sulfur and 800 nitrogen

you're not counting the 2 pure nodes here

[fossil galleon]

ohhh then it makes sense, nah I only used 1350 oil

nevermind then haha

[prisma kraken]

the rubber looks like this as a build

(its 4x normal recycling loops)

that's a pretty standard build to make; 300 oil -> 900 rubber or plastic

how i'm making the plastic is sort of a 1-off situational thing with 'everything leftover', and that looks like this

it also kicks off 960 coke for making aluminum up the hill

[fossil galleon]

aha alright

[prisma kraken]

all together, the crater is actually pretty crowded with stuff other than power

[fossil galleon]

goddamn

[prisma kraken]

i knew it would get that way b/c there's just so many resources in the crater, so i built the power plant way high up

[fossil galleon]

alright I made it better

when is nitric acid unlocked?

[prisma kraken]

i think that's unlocked with particle enrichment - pretty late in phase 4

iirc, first recipe that uses it is plut rods

all the phase 4 unlocks sort of jumble together for me because you kind of do them all in one shot after setting up aluminum and buying some supercomps & turbomotors

[patent blaze]

First recipe would be rocket fuel

If we’re talking game progression, i would do nuclear after rf

[cyan heath]

Is this a good start?

I'm producing Reinf. Iron Plates

The 4th one on the right isn't recieving much and I feel I'm missing something

And the one on the far left is recieving more than it should

[prisma kraken]

the machine buffers need to fill up for the belt to start distributing stuff evenly. after about 10 minutes, you'll see things even out. We call this 'manifold warming'

[vast mist]

that's how manifolds behave

grab a portable miner or two and get yourself some stacks of iron
if you just manually put those in the machines, you don't have to wait

[prisma kraken]

if you were instead to belt it as a split into another 2 splits into machines, that would balance the input to each machine exactly and avoids that behavior. For most factories, people prefer the manifold design for its simplicity and live with the lag in production as the manifold warms

[cyan heath]

Oooookay, I understand now

[sly fjord]

I dont bother with any of those two options, just wait.

[cyan heath]

Are Manifolds generally expandable to how many machines you need?

[sly fjord]

As long as the belt has capacity enough

[oblique hollow]

usually. the limiting factor is your input belt

[prisma kraken]

yes, but you end up running into belt speed limits at some point

like if something is gobbling 100 wire/min, you're not going to be able to ever make a manifold longer than 12 machines with an mk6 belt

[jolly furnace]

i just finished phase 3 and it is weird that I have not used trains? the dimensional depot makes me feel like I have never needed to use them. I feel like ive been missing a part of the game, I have not needed to use any type of automated transportation 😭, everything I do is belted under 1km. does this change in phase 4?

[cyan heath]

So am I supposed to wait for each smelter's input belt to get so full of ore that the splitter can't, well, split stuff into there?

[prisma kraken]

not really, i think that's about when i started buiding my rails to deal with large volumes of rubber & concrete for HMF's

[jolly furnace]

is there an alt to put rubber in hmfs?

[prisma kraken]

starting a rail network is kind of a huge amt of upfront time where you're building a lot of stuff that isn't really progressing you in the game (one of my big criticisms of SF), but that time gets paid back as you add more rails and are thanking the fact that you're doing that instead of fetching your tractors from (0,0) on the map

[jolly furnace]

yeah ig thats true

[prisma kraken]

yes, but i'm not using that

the rubber is going to concrete and rips

[jolly furnace]

ah okay

[prisma kraken]

the heavy flexible frame recipe makes use of rubber to reduce the other ingredients of the default, but i'm not a big fan of it

heavy encased frame uses gobs of concrete and uses less mod frames per momma cube, and that turns out to be so much better of a trade-off

[jolly furnace]

hmm, ig thats something to think about for when I have to make HMF as a component for another bigger part...

[cyan heath]

Smelter 1's input is full of ore by this point and I just replaced the conveyor from the merger to the 1st splitter with a mk 2 which is making it a lot faster

[prisma kraken]

8 mf's for 3 hmf's is a lot nicer than 5 for one

even with heavy encased frame, the mod frames i'm making take about as much space as the rest of the stuff in the HMF factory

the case to be made for heavy flexible frame is more where you are making mf's in a separate factory and bringing them to oil+steel, and it does work out for that

i haven't said anything about the default recipe for hmf... it just isn't very good even after the 1.0 rebalance to make it better

[jolly furnace]

yeah I got the alt really early so

Ive never even tried it

[cyan heath]

So I just completed Tier 3 and all of Tier 4's milestones require foundry stuff

My nearest coal deposit (Which I'm using as a power source) is over 1000 miles away

What do I do?

[outer vale]

travel further

you'll be expanding across the whole map eventually

can also overclock your nearby miners to get more out of them if you haven't already, but eventually you're just gonna have to expand

[jolly furnace]

why is this solution "unstable"?

[outer vale]

if not at 100% efficiency

because things start backing up

[prisma kraken]

if the machines ever pause, which is the precondition for the 'very unstable' statement there, the recycled water and the fresh water get out of sync in ratio, the freshwater floods the pipes and doesn't leave space for the wastewater to be output

[jolly furnace]

ah okay

so just as long as the math is corretct, isnt this the optimal solution for alumn?

[cyan heath]

So find another ore and just start extracting that?

[outer vale]

sure

[prisma kraken]

you can sidestep that by ensuring that aluminum refineries never, ever pause by using overflow sinks

[jolly furnace]

oh yeah with ss

[cyan heath]

So do I just want to belt the coal to my main factory?

[outer vale]

or the common recommendation is to not mix wastewater and fresh water

[prisma kraken]

btw, it is 1000 meters or 1km, not 1000 miles

[outer vale]

if that's your thing, or just built the new factory where the coal (and presumably iron) is

you don't have to ship everything back to one central base

[prisma kraken]

i build alum effectively with the 2 types of water mixing and deal with possible lockups whet trains stop, etc. those are pretty rare.

[cyan heath]

Ahhhhh okay

[outer vale]

sure it's doable, most piping setups have solutions, but it's recommended to build simpler because it's more likely to work, particularly for new people who aren't familiar with all the pipe buggery

didn't say it was the only way 😛

[jolly furnace]

hmm okay im prob just going to make the waste go into their own refinery, seems about the same efficiency with less difficulty

is it common to underclock the alumn solution refinery?

most of the examples I see its at 50 or 75

[outer vale]

depends on your numbers

[jolly furnace]

hm okay

[cyan heath]

I've got 2 coal deposits pretty close to each other, both are impure, should I belt them both into the power plane I have set up or should I use the other one for foundry item production?

This is my current coal power setup, both nodes are impure but there's a normal node further back. What should I do? Is it a situation for me to figure out?

There are 2 iron nodes nearby that I intend on using for foundry production - both are pure.

[prisma kraken]

its really your choice what to do regarding how you logistically want to situate your main base and steel production which needs coal. there's 3 or 4 coal locations in the greater rocky desert area, so you can set up steel at one and power at another or build them co-located

one thing that i'll point out is moving power a large distance is a matter of running a power cable whereas steel probably ends up being several belts worth of stuff

[cyan heath]

Yeah, this coal plant is hooked up to my main factory way back. I can hold up to 250 MW of power but that's only because I have a biomass power setup back home that is also hooked up to it.

[prisma kraken]

as such, when i build my coal plant, i end up putting it pretty far away

[cyan heath]

I intend to tear that down if and when I can cover everything I already need to power with the coal generators alone.

[prisma kraken]

suit yourself, fuel power is an order of magnitude larger than coal power, but even after making that transition later in the game, i'm still making 12gw of power on coal

(that may sound like a lot, but it really isn't)

your power needs jump orders of magnitude along with your generation capability 😄

[versed violet]

Do you have sloppy alumina + electrode?
My setup is made from modules 6 sloppy + 8 electrode, and sloppy alumina refineries are divided into 4.2 running on fresh water and 1.8 running on recycled water. This takes in 1200 bauxite, 480 petrol coke, 360 water and outputs 2400 scrap.
For your 600 bauxite setup, just divide all those in half.

[vast mist]

those are the recipes I'm using yeah, it's just that this setup doesn't lend itself well to the modular approach I was going for

I think I'll build a second aluminum factory elsewhere later (those 4 nodes in the forest can get me 1200) and use your approach there

[jolly furnace]

wet concrete or steel rotor 😭, these are both good

[versed violet]

if you ever need to deal with water byproduct, wet concrete is good

[wind spade]

pick whichever you want, you can get both anyway (and imo steel rotor isn't that good)

[jolly furnace]

okay thank I was leaning kinda towards wet concrete since the alt HMF uses so so much concrete

[cyan heath]

Is having conveyors backed up with resources normal?

[wind spade]

not really, people normally sink overflow

though it's normal on manifolds

[versed violet]

Ideally, no. But it is a valid state.

[vast mist]

I love steel rotor, it simplifies my motor factory a lot
but the real answer is to just get more hard drives

[cyan heath]

Okay. I have a coal production Manifold(?) now that's already backing itself up lol

[vast mist]

let's see a screenshot of that

[cyan heath]

Both nodes are Impure

[livid turret]

Miner Mark 2?

[cyan heath]

Mk 1's.

Coals are burning at 15 per min.

[outer vale]

is the water extractor clocked up?

[livid turret]

Then it should stabilize and the last one should never fill if the numbers are correct

[outer vale]

one extractor at default clock can't supply enough water for 4 gens

[cyan heath]

Ooooooh shit you're right

[outer vale]

though also one of those gens might not even be connected

[livid turret]

Also 2 water extractors at 75% equal 4 coal gens

[cyan heath]

Nah all of em are

[outer vale]

hmm, why's one red rather than yellow then

but yeah, solve the water first

[livid turret]

Missing water probably or not yet receiving enough coal until the others fill

[cyan heath]

Prolly cuz it wasn't recieving enough water

[paper pewter]

Is this a good plan? Im at tier 6 rn

[livid turret]

Get drives and if you are lucky, steamed copper sheets will save you a ton of copper and packaged diluted fuel will give you double the amount of fuel per heavy oil residue

[paper pewter]

Oh I have steamed copper sheets, ok gonna use those thx

[oblique hollow]

do you have a plan for those circuit boards?

just circuit boards alone isnt good enough

[paper pewter]

I dont have blender for diluted fuel tho

[livid turret]

You can do packaged
Diluted fuel in refineries

[oblique hollow]

you have the refinery for diluted packaged fuel

[paper pewter]

yes I do have plans for thos, computers, high speed connectors etc

[oblique hollow]

thats its own recipe

[vast mist]

setting up a blueprint with two refineries and two packagers for diluted packaged fuel in a closed loop is very useful

[paper pewter]

I mean thats quite a lot of packagers tho

[vast mist]

that's because you're producing 3200 fuel lol

that's 160 * 250 MW I think?
maybe a bit overkill for this stage

[livid turret]

I made a BP in a 5x5 with one refinery, 2 packagers, one packing water and one unpacking fuel and 2 fuel generators at 150%. Used MK1 belts so I also added 50 canisters to get a closed loop

[vast mist]

could you show that? I struggle stuffing in the generators so I kept them separate

[livid turret]

Let me find the screenshot

[paper pewter]

I see

may be for now Im not gonna use this recipe

[vast mist]

oh wait you just take in heavy oil residue, mine also has the refinery for that (I use the plastic scrap to make cannisters so I can have some fuel for personal use, and sink the excess)

[livid turret]

If you use faster belts, you can add less canisters to the BP

[paper pewter]

Thanks a lot for the oil tips, but do you mind if I ask you for any advices for this plan?

[livid turret]

Looks ok to me, if you have the materials, go for it. Worse case scenario you end up searching for more

[paper pewter]

I glanced at the interactive map, I feel like I can easily shove it in the middle here

[cyan heath]

I have 2 pure iron nodes and 1 normal coal node, what's a good setup to make sure I'm using those resources efficiently?

[livid turret]

Efficiently for what?

[cyan heath]

Products I'd make in a foundry.

Should I just underclock the miners?

[livid turret]

Check how much iron and coal you need per minute using the steel ingot recipe in the foundry and work from there

Your limitation will be coal

[cyan heath]

Should probably start automating modular frames at this point

It's kinda hard to figure shit out cause I need modular frames but I also will probably need the rips

Any tips for that?

[livid turret]

Make a line dedicated only to the final product

So replicate the line for reinforced (and every other item) only to build the amount of modular frames you need

[cyan heath]

So what you're saying is make a new line solely for mod. frames?

[livid turret]

Correct, the wiki calls it "independence"

[cyan heath]

I see.

[brisk smelt]

import some plastic and rubber and stuff for heavy while ur at it

[cyan heath]

Anything I should change about this or is this the best I'm getting off of solely 1 normal node

[brisk smelt]

overclock miner and use pure recipe

[cyan heath]

...I don't know what you're referring to by a "Pure" recipie

Like I know alt recipies exist but which one

[brisk smelt]

its called "pure iron ingot'

[cyan heath]

Okay time to reroll a bunch of times lmao

[wet python]

he probably doesn't have it yet, need refineries

[cyan heath]

Yeah I'm working on foundry shit right now

I've only completed phase 1

[wet python]

go for it, don't mind efficiency issues for now

[unborn ermine]

See chat, this is an example of giving "bad" advice

[wind spade]

start from end product, figure out what you want to make and how much and work backwards. Much better approach than artificially limiting yourselves to some nodes

[cyan heath]

Yeah okay. Just trying to do that without overproducing and clogging conveyor lines and stuff

Lordy this is all confusing 🤣

[unborn ermine]

tbf greeny, starter setups ARE limited because of logistics/distances

[wind spade]

they are only limited if you chose that yourself

[unborn ermine]

best to just work with what you have and see how you want to spread out.
Thankfully there is no penalty for tearing stuff down and giving an area another go once you have better tech/recipes

[wind spade]

the penalty is wasted time

you can just build new and have both old and new

[unborn ermine]

Man you really do love being a contrarian

[unborn ermine]

the most nitpicky ass comment

time is irrelivant in a sandbox

[wind spade]

some people value their time

[unborn ermine]

some people value their oppinions not being nitpicked to death

[cyan heath]

Wait so I have a normal coal node and two pure iron deposits

Foundries need 45 a min to be efficient but I'm not sure how to split the coal effectively

[wind spade]

manifold

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[thorn bane]

just do something temporary till mk3 belts

[cyan heath]

Okay but how should I go about it when I get those belts?

[thorn bane]

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[cyan heath]

Use a manifold???

[thorn bane]

yes
but they kinda suck with lower tier belts

[cyan heath]

Hmph.

I'm still confused about how I should go about all this.

Is it worth noting I had to belt the coal a long distance to get it to the iron nodes?

[wind spade]

then don't write in a public forum where anyone can talk about your opinions and provide their own

[unborn ermine]

Its nice when people do this kind of behaviour, its like "I have the moral high ground, go away if you don't like it"
Im talking about bringing up points and then you immediately shoot them down with a counter nitpick on the regular

[cyan heath]

Can we just stop arguing so I can get help on this damn factory

[wary rapids]

am i doing that right switching the prioity to off turns on turns off the power.

[brisk smelt]

no...

it enables priority grid

thats all

[wary rapids]

its a gui malfunction i miss when words were used in place off emojis to represent concepts

when the button is right its on

[cyan heath]

What should I do with the shitton of leftover parts I have?

[knotty siren]

Sink?

[thorn bane]

nothing
let the factory shut down when its full
even saves you power

[cyan heath]

I mean just the stuff I have in my inventory lol

[thorn bane]

move to the trash icon

[outer vale]

sink all the things

[main shuttle]

ok, am i overly paranoid for wanting to throw all the geysers onto a separate grid, have them only attached to coal & sulfur for compacted coal production for power generation that'd be going out to power everything else

[thorn bane]

yup youre paranoid
power storages make you have power even if something goes wrong
and priority switches allow you to shut down everything that isnt compacted coal production automatically anyway

[main shuttle]

yea true

i still need to work on switch stuff 🤣 i suck at it

[fringe pawn]

The sticking point is making the separate power lines for the geyser grid look good as they spider web across the map.

[main shuttle]

oh i've clearcut the map, it'd definitely be a time suck tho

[cyan heath]

Is there any way to flatten the terrain or do I just build around it lol

[thorn bane]

theres no terrain in the sky 🙃

[outer vale]

build around it

[cyan heath]

What about the rocks

Can I get rid of the rocks

[outer vale]

these questions don't seem very math or meta-y 😛

if they're cracked, you can blow 'em up with nobelisks

[cyan heath]

Fair lol

Just trying to build a foundation for my copper factory

[versed violet]

My geysers are hooked solely into minimal uranium rod factory, so it cannot ever fail.

[cyan heath]

At this stage of the game (Phase 2) is it worth just turning all my wires into Cables?

[outer vale]

not all, you're still gonna need wire for some stuff

[cyan heath]

Alright

[cyan heath]

I just unlocked smart splitters, what should I do now?

Should I tear down my factories and rebuild with them in mind?

[prisma kraken]

probably not worth the effort just for that

they're super-useful tools, but only very rarely do i ever desing with them in mind

[cyan heath]

Alright fair

[prisma kraken]

the major use cases for them are to make item sorters for stuff like power slugs & biomass and to direct factory output to a sink after storage is full (i.e. making a mall)

a few things like the recycling loops for oil are easier to build with smart splitters unlocked, but really most uses you'll find for them are to keep belts moving by overflowing to a sink, and i don't think you should need to rebuild anything just to leverage that

[cyan heath]

Alright

You've thoroughly confused me but Alright lmao

[prisma kraken]

just nod and have faith it'll all make sense one day 😄

[cyan heath]

Yeah

I just see all these bigass factories with these multi-floor setups all encased in their own buildings meanwhile I'm still trying to figure out how to make mod frames efficiently 😭

I've reached a point where there's so much shit I could do that I'm overwhelmed and don't know where to start next hahaha

[prisma kraken]

small manageable goals

[cyan heath]

Where have Mk. 3 Conveyors been all my life

They're SO fast

[unkempt kite]

Use them to feed any overflow to awesome sinks

[cyan heath]

How do I go about that? The only real overflow I can think of are all the iron rods I'm producing and maybe the ores?

[unkempt kite]

'

[cyan heath]

Oh so they can split like, a separate amount?

[cyan heath]

OOHHHHHH okay

[unkempt kite]

there is an even better version of it later in the mam that allows for even more precise sorting

[cyan heath]

My coal generators at the back of my Manifold aren't full while the ones at the front are. Is this... normal? I'd assume the manifold would have warmed by now.

For reference I have 4 coal generators attached to two impure nodes

[unkempt kite]

are they turning off?

[exotic flower]

I normally connect belts to the generators before connecting power, so that they fully saturate, then connect pipes, then turn the generators on.

[cyan heath]

No but I need to expand my power soon (Reaching near the capacity atm) and I'd assume that'll cause problems in the near future.

[unkempt kite]

try turning off the generators at the end for them to fill up, then turn them on. if you want them to look full

[exotic flower]

I'm guessing if you turned your generators on before they were all filled up, and the amount of coal coming in is equal to the amount being consumed, then you would have less coal in the last ones than the first ones, because manifold fills the closest ones up more quickly.

[cyan heath]

I don't necessarily want them to look full I just know it'll cause issues in the future if and when I want to expand my power generation

[unkempt kite]

if they arent turning off then it wont be a problem as long as you dont need more coal then the ammount supplied

[exotic flower]

The main thing is are you using the correct mk belts for the amount of coal, and are you providing enough coal.

[cyan heath]

Well I'm using Mk. 3 belts right now and I have 4 gens with 2 impure nodes going into them

That's 15 coal going into them per min, at least in theory

[unborn ermine]

I like hand filling them myself, and then removing a chunk afterwards from the machines at the end.
(have a stack of items at 50% and pull out the other 50% from the machine as an example)

[exotic flower]

If they use 15 per machine that's 15*4=60, so you only need mk1 belts until you add more generators

[cyan heath]

Really? Hm.

I still don't understand when to use the correct belts.

If it's any help, here's what it looks like.

[exotic flower]

Mk1 is 60ppm, mk2 is 120ppm, mk3 is 270ppm

[cyan heath]

ppm?

[exotic flower]

Parts per minute, so that's the maximum throughput of the belt

Items/minute

[cyan heath]

I see

So if I wanted to upgrade to 8 gens I'd make them all mk 2's?

[exotic flower]

So if your two coal nodes provide a total of 60 coal per minute, then that will perfectly match the speed of a mk1 belt

[exotic flower]

Yes exactly, that would work perfectly

[cyan heath]

Ohhhhhhhhhh that makes sense now

So generally use conveyors that amtch the amount of items I'm producing?

[exotic flower]

Yep for sure, it looks better and helps to remind you of how many items are going through. And of course the belts that go from the splitters to the generators can be mk1, since they only need 15 per minute

[cyan heath]

Right right

But if I wanted to belt an item over a long distance would it be better to use Mk. 3 belts?

[exotic flower]

it would only make a difference if you wanted it to saturate faster, so sometimes I will use a higher tier belt and then downgrade it later

so if you have the material you can, but once the belt is full then the result will be the same

For example if you have a constructor that takes 60 items per minute, it will fill faster with a mk3 belt, but once it and the belt is full I would change it to a mk1 belt (just select the mk1 belt and click on the mk3 belt, it will change to mk1).

[cyan heath]

Right okay

I'm asking because the source of coal for my Foundries comes from a 60/min coal deposit far away from it

[exotic flower]

Right, distance only matters if you are waiting for the materials to make the trip. Once they do, you are limited by the consumption of the foundry.

[cyan heath]

Hmmmmm

[exotic flower]

so you generally want to match your output speed with your belt speed with your input speed

[cyan heath]

The farthest coal gen in the manifold is still significantly lower than the other three

[unborn dome]

It seems like a single nitrogen well cluster (particularly that all-pure one in the eastern dune forest) is more than enough for everything, if it's packaged and shipped to the rest of the map?

[cyan heath]

And only the 1st two are full

Again not an issue now but when I need more power later I feel like it will be

[unkempt kite]

Do train tracks connect when using blueprints?

[unborn dome]

Nope

[exotic flower]

if you want them all full you can turn them all off and wait for them to get full, then turn them back on. It doesn't matter how much coal is in them though.

[exotic flower]

with mods yes, vanilla no

[cyan heath]

Okay.

[unkempt kite]

so i should buid it without tracks then add the tracks after?

[unborn dome]

Gotta leave some slack at either end of the BP so you can fit a minimum-length track (1.5 foundations) to connect them up.

[unborn dome]

Without tracks, or with a small gap in between

My rail supports look like this - the straight part on the concrete is part of the BP, and I build the rails in between.

[cyan heath]

Huh, and ever since I swapped the coal lines to mk 1's the foundaries at the back have been stalling

Scratch that all of them are kinda stalling

[exotic flower]

for troubleshooting I click on the machines and look at efficiency, if they aren't at 100% then you have to see where the bottleneck is

make sure that they are full of water as well

[cyan heath]

Was probably because I had 3 foundries at 1 60/min coal node

Which doesn't work out really lmao

[unkempt kite]

how do i fix this space below my blueprint?

[exotic flower]

You could build your blueprint inside an empty blueprint designer and save it as a new one

I use a mod that allows you to nudge vertically, so that helps as well

[exotic flower]

https://ficsit.app/mod/InfiniteNudge

probably would just use this

you could try nudging from the side, but you will still probably need the mod

[glossy wagon]

Shouldn't this be filling up my batteries?

[unkempt kite]

consumption has to be lower than production and bio generators dont charge batteries

[glossy wagon]

but i have a 1600 capacity?

[unkempt kite]

are you using biomass burners?

[unborn dome]

1600 MW of biomass? 😳

[glossy wagon]

1/2 coal half biomass... ah ok

have 12 coal generators

[unborn dome]

Ah yeah that's the issue

[glossy wagon]

Thank you

[unkempt kite]

the biomass burners are inflating the capacity number

remove the burners and it should match the production number

[unborn dome]

You have to have production higher than consumption for the batteries to charge.

[unkempt kite]

yes

[glossy wagon]

I just got oil so I will be working for fuel power. Thanks guys

[hard meadow]

Replace it

Nvm

[unkempt kite]

this game hates me

[hard meadow]

I mean make it a blueprint then rebuild it

[hard meadow]

Whats going on?!

[unkempt kite]

look at the lower image

[unkempt kite]

cant build the designer because of the empty space below the blueprint

[hard meadow]

Well build the disigner then the blueprint

[exotic flower]

so if you are using the mod you want to hit "H" to hold it in place, then hold left shift and tap the down arrow

[cyan heath]

Upping my power limit so I can work on iron production over at the Foundry factory

[exotic flower]

good deal, you might try connecting your water pipes all together, it can be helpful sometimes

[cyan heath]

Systems up and running and after a couple blown fuses we're getting power. Just gotta let the thing warm.

[unkempt kite]

always a problem with blueprints.

[exotic flower]

lol just hit h and nudge it over, also you can hold left ctrl to nudge more slowly

[unkempt kite]

i dont like nudging it every time

[cyan heath]

hmph.

I've got 4 constructors from a pure Iron node and I'm not sure what to do.

I wanna make reinforced iron plates so I can make my way up to Versatile Framework but I'm confused on which constructors should be producing what.

Should I have less than 4 constructors? idk. Anyone got any advice?

[burnt musk]

so i have some math that aint mathing and it has to do with fluids

if i hav enough refinerys to generate 600 units per min. why is my pipe line only ever at 300 ish most times?

[exotic flower]

Mk1 pipes, need mk2 for 600

[burnt musk]

i inderstand that the next pipe cant have more than its previous connection but what am i missing

[burnt musk]

all are already mk2 pipes

[exotic flower]

Not sure, what is the efficiency of the machines?

[cyan heath]

Trying to make mod. frames, how do I improve/compact this setup?

[sonic gull]

Are the pure ingots better always after finish building or is it more power efficient to use the standard?

[burnt musk]

100% , 20 refinerys (10 running platics, 10 running rubber) all of them are running at the same time with crud oil input at full cap all the time

[unkempt kite]

so close

[burnt musk]

all of them on the same pipe network

[exotic flower]

So guessing your flow rate stays around 300 because the pipes are setup to distribute the load more evenly so you aren't bottled at one pipe, but idk

[burnt musk]

that maks logical sense but fluid never logical

thanks for the input

[sonic light]

unbelievably tidy

my entire factory is just

well it’s BAD

[cyan heath]

The key is Manifolds.

[sonic light]

What’s that

[brisk shore]

Official Satisfactory Wiki

This is the totally awesome community driven wiki for Satisfactory!! Come on in and check it out!
<3 @cyan heath

[cyan heath]

Shit wrong command uhhhh

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[sonic light]

i’m gonna def send a picture of my factory tmr

[burnt musk]

@cyan heath whats your desiered output per min and have you thought of going vertical?

[cyan heath]

Don't know, Didn't think of that.

[burnt musk]

well your desiered out put will define how much machinery you need and from there you can plan your tower

@cyan heath

heres a rough draft of your request

best i can do is get it in a 5x5

[prisma kraken]

mod frame?

[burnt musk]

yes

[prisma kraken]

yeah, that's about the best you can do without thinking about bigger scale

[unborn ermine]

you could raise the smelters a bit and tuck the mergers below.

just a teeeny bit of space

[prisma kraken]

lemme fire the game up. What's the target in/out rate?

[burnt musk]

@prisma kraken we never had one or rather @cyan heath didnt put in specifics. this was just a proof of consept for compact build of mod frame at base rate

[prisma kraken]

k

[cyan heath]

Yeah. I'm not necessarily looking for the optimum, I'm just looking to get the things so I can make them into versatile framework.

[prisma kraken]

this is more or less what i would build

which takes 240 ingots

i use the cast screw alt recipe. if you don't have it, go hunt some drives. save yourself a bit of pain

how i would build it, is something like this with the 4 assemblers on the floor above (unpictured)

the build can technically be done in a 4x4 cube, but the belting of it is a pita

[cyan heath]

Oh shit cast screw recipie is good

[prisma kraken]

well, it isn't useful past the early game really, but in the early going, the recipe is amazing

it doesn't use less resources, but saves you a machine or two

if i were looking to make more mod frames out of iron ingot only, i'd really look to using iron & copper alloy with stiched plate to make the rips

this is what i built for my 'starter' mod frame factory

you probably could do it with mk3 belts, but it really is much simpler on mk4 tech

[cyan heath]

Still confusing to wrap my head around LMAO

[unborn ermine]

So apparently I had my RF area mathed out correctly, yet the looped manifold for the nitric acid input was slowly starving, leading to one of my RF lines into starving.

[prisma kraken]

i'm still not a believer in the loop panecea

[unborn ermine]

its annoying, the fact that the gasses in a 600/min pipe flow cant feed a simple manifold of 5 machines

[prisma kraken]

it does sometimes solve the problem, but i don't have a good theory as to when it will vs when it won't

[unborn ermine]

I also added packagers to the end of the manifold and somehow they are also becoming emptied

[prisma kraken]

idk, there's a reason why i do nitric acid in 300/min chunks that are all of a tap feed. if i need less, it gets packaged

[unborn ermine]

Thats probably a next time thing, if this cant hold its it for power unless I make a separate setup.

[prisma kraken]

every time i do nitric acid i forget that i probably should do that and have to tear the build apart to refit it with packagers

its actually more that nitrogen is a limited resource and i usually need to split the well output several ways

that is much easier to do with it packaged on a belt

[unborn ermine]

its even funnier that the water, which is metered out specifically as well, is much more stable and being split like this

Yeah its already starting to empty out my pipes
I wish it was simpler than gutting the setup here, worst possible situation.

[prisma kraken]

this is the sort of crazy that i'm doing

[gloomy igloo]

1 + 1 = 2 right

[prisma kraken]

like, it's getting packaged, split and then unpackaged, lol

[gloomy igloo]

if i make 1 rotor every second
and 1 rmp every second

thats 2 smart plating

[prisma kraken]

for certain values of 1, yes

no, the base smart plate recipe is 1+1=1, the plastic alt is 1+1+3 = 2

[unborn ermine]

The worst part? I might be able to do that, but I would need to manuver things around and most likely feed from a second floor instead beacuse of my space restrictions.

Better part about my setup, could do half of it at a time, due to it being a 2x 600/min pipe setup.

[prisma kraken]

yeah, i opted to do the gas in pipes of 300 straight into a blender

[inner lion]

Can someone help me figure out how to make priority input for merging fluids?

I'm trying this: https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/ookl0c/psa_variable_input_priority_vip_for_pipes_exist/

And it's not working for me

just kidding, It seems like it just started working

[wind spade]

In general it's recommended to not do priority with pipes and just have two separate systems

[inner lion]

Thanks

[vast jungle]

damn... I had believed a Blender based Plastic/Rubber Recycling plant cannot block itself to a sub-100% efficiency... but it can. And I triggered it by the attempt to get the Fuel-pipelines full (full pipes are happy pipes)... 😦

[oblique hollow]

No need to fill them up to the point of backing up your machines

[vast jungle]

just have to remember to flush one of the HOR pipes to guarantee that there is space for it. the interaction between the polymer=>Rubber and the HOR´=>Fuel has some interested effects 😄

still, the new Rubber/Plastic blueprint is working... and for once I am happy with the look

[low veldt]

I have 3 coal generators on only one water source right now. I assumed that its ok and my biomass generators will pick up the slack whenever my 3rd coal source dips, but thats not happening. I Guess I need to go hunting another lake?

[plain fossil]

how do i make 2 trains go separate tracks

let the other train pass type deal

a path is already reserved but the 2nd still tries to go through it even tho the 2nd one is free

i have been bypassing this issue with a station in the middle that one train goes to and waits

[robust raptor]

Dual rail is the best way

[plain fossil]

ehhhh i was lazy

[robust raptor]

If you don't currently have a dual rail network, it might be a bit difficult to refactor what you have now if you already have an extensive rail network

But dual rail is much easier to extend and expand

[timber axle]

yeah 2 directional always becomes a nightmare in my experience

I don't even need drones in the endgame because its so easy to expand

[robust jasper]

Im new to the game so I was hoping to some input on this basic iron setup

[timber axle]

looks good to me

don't overthink it, you'll probably will end up improving it many times later on

[robust jasper]

OK thanks

[low veldt]

How do I split the 3 water pipelines to 8 coal properly?

Connect all 3 water pumps to one pipe then split it again at the coal generators?

[brisk smelt]

input on junctions 1, 3, 8

*1,4,8

[low veldt]

is there a pic online for this? I cant seem to find it

[brisk smelt]

input like so

treat liquids as a closed-form system: 1. input always equals output if and only if 2. there is no flow bottleneck

[hard meadow]

Yes I deffidentaly understand this

[brisk smelt]

good

[timber axle]

I always set up my coal like this, because the water flows in from two directions you effectively get double the throughput on your pipes

[deft lichen]

!wikisearch CG

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[plain fossil]

i might have figured out path signals no way

the wiki fed me so much false information

[timber axle]

path signals are basically just wait until you can find a valid path through the following block

[deft lichen]

huh?

[plain fossil]

idk maybe i just didnt understand the schematic

bc when i tried it exactly as shown it didnt work at all

[timber axle]

I found them really confusing at first too because I was used to the factorio signals

[plain fossil]

never mind on train insists on going towards an occupied block signal

[brisk smelt]

signals don't dictate train pathfinding

[plain fossil]

theres a path signal waiting for reservation

[robust jasper]

Can I also get some input on this copper and limestone setup for early game.

[charred saffron]

Looks good to me

[plain fossil]

expand

[robust jasper]

OK thanks

[robust jasper]

This is just to get started. Ill expand in the future

[charred saffron]

tbh for the basic resources this is probably fine, you can let containers of this build up while you're doing smth else and then you have plenty of stuff for a while

[robust jasper]

Thats what i was thinking of doing

[charred saffron]

In my current savefile I went for overkill just for fun (10modular frames, 12 rotors, 20 reinforced iron plates + 60-ish rods and iron plates/min) but the run before that I ran on the stupidest, most impractical basic resource factories and it kinda worked

I had everything I needed, especially when I started needing less of it because the factories became more advanced

[robust jasper]

Okay ill keep that in mind as I progress farther in the game.

[brisk smelt]

oh 10 modular frames certainly is not overkill at all

you need a lot of them for heavy

[robust jasper]

This was just for start of game tho

[charred saffron]

I'll prb be making a new factory for that, these are personal resources I made a factory for xD

[vast mist]

issues with 600 per minute pipes, is that just for liquids, or does it apply to something like nitrogen gas too?

[wind spade]

there are no issues with 600 pipes

it's always human error

[analog meteor]

wow are you sure abt that tho.

[wind spade]

yes, because people can do 600/min easily if they follow basic pipe rules

[analog meteor]

i mean there shouldnt be many rules to follow

its just pipes

[oblique hollow]

Thats more a gameplay issue

[wind spade]

well they have semi-realistic flow simulation, so you kinda have to deal with that

[oblique hollow]

According to the devs it works but it has a lot of conditions

Sooo the real complaint overall is "pipes are still too realistic and require too much effort"

Which i can get behind

[charred saffron]

mfw my pipes don't work like the liquid equivalent of belts and bend the laws of physics 😠

[analog meteor]

yea ok but it seems like there are unrealistic things that stop mk2 pipes and stuff that shouldnt be an issue with real physics but idk

[wind spade]

loop pipes, feed from above, it works

[oblique hollow]

Its mostly the realistic issues thaat mess with mk 2

not the unrealistic ones

Mk 2 struggles with water hammer of all things

[analog meteor]

but i dont get why that would fix it bcs idk why i would need to loop it

[oblique hollow]

The most realistic thing you could get

[analog meteor]

wait how is that a thing in pipes?

[oblique hollow]

And the loop gives thee pipe a bypass for those pressure surges

[oblique hollow]

Fluid in Pipe hit dead end, pipe reverse flow

Flow go into junction, junction merges flow with 600/min flow from other pipe

Result? 600/min pipe gets interrupted

[analog meteor]

oh ok ic

i thought water hammer was an issue with real life and that pipes break. but all ik abt is what a yt video i found talked about

[wind spade]

because that resolves backflow

well water hammer is also the water bouncing and crusing into the opposite flow

which is what most people call "mk2 bug"

[analog meteor]

ok learnt one more about fluids again ig

[timber axle]

I feel like a priority merger would go a long way towards making pipes nicer to work with imo

I always get tripped up with basic almuinum

[vast mist]

oh god I didn't mean to start a discussion, I just wanted to know whether the special things you have to do for liquids also apply for gasses

I need 600 nitrogen per minute and wonder if I can get away with transporting it in a single train car, accounting for docking time

[north lichen]

(haven't actually gotten to gasses yet, but from what I've heard) The special things you do for liquids don't really work, and gasses have their own inscrutable rules you have to follow

[vast mist]

I guess I could take from both outputs on the buffer, and just use half the capacity of each pipe, so it doesn't matter anyway now that I think about it

[timber axle]

Never really had any problems with gases tbh, I just treat them as liquids that don't need pumps

[vast mist]

alright 👍

oh yeah speaking of fluids and trains, why do people hate on them so much? it seems like a pretty good deal to me, compared to doing a ton of packaging and unpackaging and transporting empty cannisters back

[timber axle]

people hate fluid cars?

[vast mist]

perhaps the information / opinions I've read on those are outdated, from back when they had much lower capacity

[timber axle]

idk I don't engage in discussions about the game really 🤷‍♂️

[vast mist]

me neither, was just reading stuff on the google

[wind spade]

priority merger for belts?

[wind spade]

alu is simple, separate fresh and recycled water 🙂

[timber axle]

No for pipes 😅 I know you're not supposed to mix water but wouldn't it be nice if you didn't have to?

I did end up mixing the fresh and recycled water in my plant because I was too lazy to convert my initial design. Had to make sure to sink any excess material because any halt in production would make the water overflow 😛

[wind spade]

for pipes it's impossible, how do you make a "priority merger", if pipes can flow in both ways

[timber axle]

no I want it more like a valve with multiple inputs where it only flows in

and it prioritizes one of of inputs

[wind spade]

well given that valves are known for breaking setups with the way they limit flow, I don't see that as a good idea

in general, pipes work best if given as much freedom as possible. Most people run into issues when trying to limit them in amount or direction or anything

[vast mist]

here's some notes about valves from my own research:

• the flow rate in the valve's interface is snapped to increments of 600 / 254, but this seems to be purely cosmetic
  • when fed into a buffer the valve will provide exactly what you set it to
• when fed into a refinery system whose pipes are already full, the following things can happen
  • if the flow rate is below the requirement, refineries will stall because they don't get enough fluid
  • if the flow rate is more than twice the requirement, refineries will clog because they can't dump their byproduct
  • if the flow rate is between 100% and 200% of the requirement, the flow rate will fluctuate to sort itself out

[north mauve]

I have yet to use a valve

[strange sleet]

good morning folks. i've just finished phase 5 and am beginning my golden nut journey. is a crapton of ACUs the way?

[wind spade]

flow rate isn't cosmetic, it's indeed that much

see #math-and-meta message for info about valves and why not to use them 🙂

[vast mist]

not in any of my tests; a valve set to 44 fills a buffer 5% slower than a valve set to 46 for example (even though they both round to 44.9)

that and it doesn't seem to matter when there's pressure on the other side of the valve; it throttles to on average meet the deficit, as long as that deficit is lower than the valve's limit, but not less than 50% of it

[wind spade]

that may be due to many factors, like the percentage gauge thing

[vast mist]

what I mean by throttles is that it fluctuates wildly, but the average ends up being exactly what's needed such that the pipes on the other side stay full, and there's just enough space for refineries to dump their output

if you start with a refinery that has fluid byproduct backed up, as long as the valve's limit is less than 2x the system's deficit, it will slowly drain until it is empty, then stay that way forever while keeping the pipes full

perhaps my testing sucks but so far it seems like they just work tm

[wind spade]

well no matter what, vavles are kinda pointless, so not much reason to build them anyway

[north mauve]

You waited until beating the game to start? Madness

[strange sleet]

i have all other items purchased, including trophies

[north mauve]

I just sink every end item with overflow splitters

[north mauve]

Ah so you are truly mad

I bought the nut before any other trophies

[strange sleet]

so i can either afk at my current rate (yawn), or build some more factories to sink more stuff

[vast mist]

I need them for running a vertical manifold; one pipe into 4 floors that are far enough part to need pumps
maybe if I run the water up with a water tower, then let it fall down into all of the floors, it could work without valves, idk

alright I guess I'll shut up about it for now

[north mauve]

Are you sinking plut rods?

[strange sleet]

i don't have any nuclear set up. i am a rocket fuel enjoyer

[north mauve]

That's what I've done twice so far

[north mauve]

Aww, they are great for points

[vast mist]

you mean the water tower thing?

[north mauve]

Yes

[vast mist]

and then no valves I presume

[north mauve]

Acus are phase three, right? Isn't that kinda low on the totem pole

[vast mist]

I've got plenty of space for two pipes I suppose, one to bring the water up, and one that connects to all the floors

[north mauve]

You can also do the water tower off site

[strange sleet]

maybe i'm overthinking it and the answer is just more slooped warp drives

[vast mist]

it'd be impossible to hide because it's so tall, and I'm running 3 pipes anyway for aesthetic reasons, was planning on just leaving 2 empty

[north mauve]

No reason to hide it

[vast mist]

I'm not building an eyesore right next to my aesthetic tower, much easier to just incorporate it

[north mauve]

It doesn't even need to be nearby, but of course if your water is local it's easier to shove it in the building

[vast mist]

just one pump hidden in the basement

the tower stands on the ocean near the west coast oil shore

I wonder.. if the pipe that pumps up water were to connect directly on each floor
if the lower floors would get too much, or if the system on each floor would prioritize its own output, possibly even sending some of its water up the tower

either way just running it up and then down simplifies things so I'll just do that

[north mauve]

No such thing as "too much" since they have a hard limit on what they can consume. But, like all manifolds (same as going from top to bottom), some will have 100% full pipes all the time and the opposite end will get exactly enough and appear as a trickle, unless you're overproducing

[vast mist]

in the case of refineries that need to dump byproduct there can definitely be too much
unless the water will prioritize going to the next floor over filling up this floor once this floor's pipes are full

[north mauve]

Ah, sorry didn't know byproducts were part of this build. I don't know what you're building d00d.

[vast mist]

just aluminum

[fringe seal]

idk if this is a good idea or just deranged

[north mauve]

In what case would a train want to stop at one station and then scoot four foundation up to stop at another?

[fringe seal]

you can't anyway

with that setup

right. this might be more accurate

there's a central double lane bypass

and from it, you can branch out to 6 stations

the middle junction gets a little bit cramped though

[north mauve]

This seems like a headache. I never build my stations this way. It seems 9/10 people in this discord do though.

[fringe seal]

tbh this is "I don't exactly know what kind of things and how much would be needed" setup

I do have setups like this

[north mauve]

Why not build as you need

[fringe seal]

probably I should

but idk, "build as you need" may lead to spaghetti if you ever need to expand the setup

or mass dismantling and rebuilding

both sounds suboptimal

[cyan heath]

So while not efficient I have the resources for Space Elevator Phase 2 automated and I completed all the milestones. What do I do now? :p

[north mauve]

Complete phase 2? Explore for alien artifacts and drives?

Spent 10x the amount of time building actual factory stuff to make it pretty too

[cyan heath]

Working for the former.

My factory is kinda ass. Starts out with a manifold but once I get to the assemblers it just kinda splits out

Like NO space management

[north mauve]

Meh, you can rebuild in phase 3

Just remember to actually rebuild all space parts. They're needed every phase.

Don't be me and rebuild them every phase because they were never made permanent

[cyan heath]

This is my current setup, it's ass and idk how to improve it

Should I transition the smelter products into another manifold for the constructors?

[fossil basalt]

Looks fine to me

Not winning any design awards but it's organized and understandable

[cyan heath]

I've no clue how I'll organize this shit when I need to get to it 😭

[scarlet shore]

same problem w me, i just throw it all together and it works fr

[north mauve]

Once you start dealing with mk2 BP designers, you'll probably end up being guided by those restrictions

For example, I cram as many of one building type into a BP as I can on a single plane, and use a logistics floor underneath, and build my factories based around that. At least, I kinda do that now. Previously I did not use logistics floors so I would have a lot of conveyor lift spaghetti.

But I like to live in #design-and-architecture . There's nothing wrong with flat sprawl.

[wanton basin]

How much turbo fuel does a 250% fuel generator need to run?

[deft lichen]

2.5 * 4.5 =

[hushed kettle]

18.75

[fossil galleon]

if this is up to date then yeah 18.75

[deft lichen]

the fandom wiki is not maintained

!wikisearch Fuel+Generator

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Fuel+Generator

[fossil galleon]

Good to know

[glossy wagon]

From this chaos last month to this tiny bit of organization is a big achievement for me

[hollow plank]

how are u at particle accelarators with such a small factory

[tired nimbus]

Transporting Nitrogen long distances, how do you calculate the rough amount of packages, for a package & unpackage loop

[glossy wagon]

Have a train in another location at blue crater delivering plastic, rubber.. blue crater is also my power factory so lots of rocket fuel powered generators. I guess I don't understand how i'm not. Is there a specific component or something that you think i would typically be missing?