math-and-meta

[ember fractal]

LOL, find some pure oil nodes

[spare jolt]

Good for a power plant or recycled plastic-rubber loop though

[desert oxide]

The next closest oil is more south in the blue crater, but there are also alot of other resources there too*

[grim walrus]

all gone p much xd

i need oil for turbo motors for warp drives xd

[desert oxide]

For the rubber?

[grim walrus]

uhh plastic

if theres anyway to cut out plastic would be nice

[desert oxide]

You can make 1350 rubber from 450 crude, but if you need other stuff for turbo motor (for Radio Control and CoolSys Heat Sinks)..

Pretty sure there are paths that you can cut out plastic from TM, but you will need one or the other regardless for RCU

[grim walrus]

and circut boards xd

[desert oxide]

There are two CB recipes that dont need plastic..

[grim walrus]

ye 600 plastic 300 for circuit boreds and computers

[desert oxide]

Radio Control System doesnt need computers, crys osc/cb/casing/rubber and use silicon circuit board, tap the quartz at the top left of swamp

[grim walrus]

how i add alternative recipes to the sim

[desert oxide]

The SCIM calc?

[grim walrus]

ye

[desert oxide]

How about this.. how many TM do you want to produce?

[grim walrus]

7

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production/index/json/{"Desc_MotorLightweight_C"%3A"7"%2C"altRecipes"%3A["Recipe_Alternate_TurboMotor_1_C"]}

thats wat im goin off of

i can just use coke and ruber

[desert oxide]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=j24WRO54bSwjTLpQ1SfZ
Easy to do with that amount of oil, plenty to spare too

SCIM wont do the recyled rubber/plastic loop though.. so a bit harder to math in there but satistools does

Id probably also add steel screw to simplify the iron production, but otherwise that should work well in swamp

[grim walrus]

alr cool ty!

now to get coal to swamp xd

[desert oxide]

Yeah thats always a pain.. its close-ish to the quartz but still gotta go near the middle to get a decent amount over there

[grim walrus]

well time to spend 20 hours makin turbo motors

[desert oxide]

Little bit better recipe selection: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=y1JpmeaLPZoFByOlE6gH (includes steel screws, solid steel ingot, fused wire/quickwire)

[brittle terrace]

whats everyones opinion on fluid trains? are they worth using? i need to transport 3600 fluid/min from one side of the map to the other

[desert oxide]

Most will tell you to package but I never do and just use larger (1 loco - 5 cargo) trains to move as packaging creates more overhead and managemnet of trains and outputs IMO, just make sure you use buffers at both ends of the train stations and its fine

Just keep in mind.. if you have a full 2-way rail network.. you can always add another train with the same route

[deft lichen]

they're good, throughput is comparable to two mk6 belts afaik

[leaden cosmos]

They are equivilent to a packager loop, liquids behave nicer with the train than gases so will work

Any idea on the round trip time? Its going to be a few cars for that rate

[vast jungle]

fluid train have half the capacity... or the same, if you want to move the empty canisters back

[brittle terrace]

trip time im not sure

[leaden cosmos]

Dont have the train lines setup yet?

[vast jungle]

trip time is the same as a train for solid items

[brittle terrace]

still building the train tacks to each location right niow

just trying to mentaly plan out the logistics of it all 😄

[leaden cosmos]

Itll work was jump hoping to narrow in on how many trains / length of train

You will want a long entrance rail so a few trains can queue up if your keeping them shorter.

My gut feeling is your looking at about 12 cars if a single train or 2x6 or 3x4

[ember fractal]

It's worth packaging nitrogen

Because of the compression ratio

[brittle terrace]

im working on a oil---> ionized fuel rn

[arctic willow]

quick check - can you set 1-2-3 priorities as outputs on a single smart splitter or does it need two?

(not sure if there's a combination of overflow and undefined that'll get it done)

[leaden cosmos]

You would need 2, straight as any on both, overflow as left on both, straight is 1, forward overflow is 2, rear overflow is 3

[arctic willow]

kinda what i figured

[leaden cosmos]

If you use both as overflow on 1 then it evenly splits the overflow

[arctic willow]

found that much out through what i was trying

[cosmic olive]

Would it be unwise to have 88 coal generators running on the regular coal, and 50 running on compacted coal overclocked to 250% to reduce the amount of generators needed?

a coal generator overclocked to 250% will consume 37.5 coal per minute, or 17.86 compacted coal per minute.

as we have 4,200 coal being mined per minute, and 900 will become compacted coal (as that's how much sulfer we're mining for this per minute for this power plant),

3,300/37.5 = 88

900/17.86 = ~50.39193729

88 + 50 = 138 generators

Should I go with these numbers, or build a larger plant without overclocking it?

[round nacelle]

do you guys know how i can increase the transfer rate?

[patent blaze]

what are the odds that my save breaks with increased object limit? im thinking like corruption

[prisma kraken]

what's listed is the average over some sliding time window of what's moved through the station

the number is never very exact, but over time sort of converges on a close value to what you're actually moving

as such, the number is just a gauge of what's coming through the station. if you want a faster rate, ship more stuff

[round nacelle]

ok thanks

[broken laurel]

Is fertile uranium better than non fissile uranium? As in overall production setup and such.
On first looks would it seem like that it allows me to just remove extra silica needed, but I'm not entirely sure here

[velvet venture]

how to calculate how much packaged oil/min = crude oil/min?

a far off factory needs 64 oil/min. Planning to drone it in. So how much Packaged Oil/min should I aim for

[ember fractal]

64/m

[grim walrus]

whats 3.111 smelters

how i boost to the .111

[river night]

OC one to 111.1% or some other combination

[ember fractal]

Click the % number and type in 1/9*100

You can type in fractions into the % rate and it will give you the right number

[spiral wigeon]

how do yall deal with byproduct dmr? I have 200 extra.

[modest verge]

Use the Dark Matter Crystallization alt if you're just trying to get rid of byproduct, plus Dark Matter Trap if you're trying to maximize Dark Matter Crystal production

[misty rampart]

is there any way to connect satisfactory dedicated server to discord channel? , like "x" player log in to the server welcome! , and that put on discord channel by a bot

[brisk smelt]

liquids are 1:1

gases vary from 2-4:1

[grim walrus]

is 8.642 foundrys just 8 and 1 boosted to 65%

[grim walrus]

is there a way to add a checklist to this btw its hard to fallow what im doin without seein what ive done

[prisma kraken]

yeah, tl;dr dark matter crystal with the alt makes it without diamonds or time crystals, and DMC can be sunk. Do however think about how you might use the DMR in another recipe instead of sinking it. several recipes are dmr positive and others are dmr negative

[modest verge]

With proper planning you can balance your production to be DMR-neutral, without sinking DMC

[prisma kraken]

i still have yet to figure that out for myself 🙂

[modest verge]

There's a formula on the wiki for balancing DMR and DMC production using the alt recipes
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Dark_Matter_Crystal#Tips

It's easier just to overproduce DMC and sink it though

[prisma kraken]

i already worked out that math, thanks, i meant using the recipes in a ratio that doesn't need such tricks - it's just a problem i haven't bothered playing with the numbers to solve yet

[modest verge]

Oh I see what you mean

Yeah that's even more obnoxious to balance

[spiral wigeon]

nuclear pasta lowkey slept on for getting golden nut

its imo faster than ballistic warp drives when you account for build time

[modest verge]

I got the golden nut while building my P5 factories in part from feeding my P4 nuclear pasta to the sink lol

[spiral wigeon]

This morning I went all out on nuclear pasta and produced 40/m so it only took like 12ish hours

Downside is none of my factories have inputs rn

[grim walrus]

842.334 how do i fit this into 16 smelters

[spiral wigeon]

I’d just do a manifold and overclock until the numbers are right

[vapid gorge]

842.334/16

[grim walrus]

that gives me a long repeating number

[spiral wigeon]

Do a load balancer for 16 machines is inefficient

Especially when you can temporarily overclock the miner to make it fill up in around 5 minutes

[grim walrus]

im also workin with the swamp and not alot of pures xd

[spiral wigeon]

Makes sense

I ran a train around the perimeter to bring resources in🤷‍♂️

[grim walrus]

well i dident think that far ahead when i started my world xd

[spiral wigeon]

I mean the perimeter of the swamp

[vapid gorge]

it do be that way sometimes

just round the 4th decimal up

[grim walrus]

to much brain power used in this game xd

[west cedar]

I have sad news… my 1.5TW factory won’t work… there is literally not enough resources on the map for me to convert my plutonium waste to ficsonium. I will have to store the plutonium waste and setting for 1.1 TW maybe I can boost it with sommersloops and pretend 😦

[glossy wagon]

I'm actually proud of myself for this one.. biggest coal operation ive ever had in this game... and i suck

[grim walrus]

uhh what do i here its tellin me i dont need to package it but i do

unless its diffrent in a blender?

[vapid gorge]

blenders don't package

[vapid gorge]

but also use the waste water IN the scrap system

[grim walrus]

now im lost xd

[vapid gorge]

don't do that

[scenic cloud]

There are 2 distinct alt recipes. Diluted via a packager and diluted in blender

[grim walrus]

i need that for rubber

lol

[vapid gorge]

... YES... but get the water from somewhere else

don't link your rubber and scrap productions

[scenic cloud]

Yea, water from Alu should go back into Alu, it yields fewer points of failure. Tho if you're disciplined about sinking things it's fine.

[grim walrus]

hmm ok

[vapid gorge]

it not impossible to do it like the diagram but it'll be much harder to get it running smoothly and MUCH harder to trouble shoot

[grim walrus]

hmm ok i put it back into the system now to figure out how much water to take away from extracters xd

[scenic cloud]

420 I would think

[grim walrus]

the soulution takes 600 water alone

[spiral wigeon]

before I put everything in my elevator for phase 5, whats the best way to view the elevator?

[grim walrus]

with a coffe mug is nice

[spiral wigeon]

should I hyper tube launch myself away immediately for a better view of the upgrade?

[grim walrus]

u fall much quicker then it finishes

[leaden cosmos]

literally anywhere nearby, don't need to be in the sky 🙂

[spiral wigeon]

ok

[spare jolt]

phase 1 in 6 hrs, i'd probably take like 500th place on speedrun.com

[vapid gorge]

600 - the waste waterwhich is 420

[vapid gorge]

I highly recommend you make some refineries work only on fresh water and some only on the waste

so 180 and 420 in your case it sounds

these are example ratios based on different recipes

[prisma kraken]

its not a bad time, but definitely not chapionship pace

[potent shale]

i am using a system like this
problem is that the refineries at the end of the line arent getting enough oil to work properly
what can i do to fix that ?

[toxic hemlock]

My aluminum water is backing up and I don't know why

it's consuming 750, generating 450 as byproduct, and intake is 300

[vapid gorge]

did you directly mix the waste water into the fresh?

[toxic hemlock]

Yes

[vapid gorge]

that's why

[toxic hemlock]

I set up valves

is that not sufficient?

[vapid gorge]

yeah valves wlil generally not help as they don't stop backflow

[toxic hemlock]

Isn't stopping backflow literally the entire point of valves?

[vapid gorge]

nope

[toxic hemlock]

???????????

[vapid gorge]

they'll stop specific units of fluid moving back through - but that fluid can hit the FRONT of hte valves and knock back the fluid behind it

and the overall flow is what you're concerned with

when you connect fresh and waste you have this ----> <------ , shenanigans will ensue

it's the least reliable way to handle waste byproduct

it's doable but finicky

[toxic hemlock]

So how the fuck do I handle waste water without sinking it?

[vapid gorge]

3 main ways from least to most reliable

[fringe pawn]

Which recipes are you using?

[vapid gorge]

1. direct feed
2. use a VIP, less finicky but I don't like them
3. most reliable - split the systems into fresh and waste water systems

[vapid gorge]

like so

[toxic hemlock]

Sloppy alumina, regular aluminum scrap

[vapid gorge]

so you want the top right ratio

2/5 of the bauxite processed by fresh water, 3/5 by the waste

[toxic hemlock]

Why do the popular logistics games try to do weird fluid simulations that just result in a miserable experience

Best part of Factorio 2.0 was killing that

[gray sparrow]

they're not bad in this game once you get the hang of them. keeping things as simple as you can is the name of the game

[toxic hemlock]

They're arbitrarily more difficult that belts for no benefit

[gray sparrow]

sure, i would personally find that less rewarding when i do figure it out though. there's no real "boss" in this game, but I look at things like having to recycle waste back into your system as a boss of sorts

[toxic hemlock]

Sure, but 450 + 300 != 750 isn't clever, it's just jank

[gray sparrow]

it can = 750, just use 3x mk1 pipes. 250 in each

at least that's how I would do it and have done to make things easy for myself.

[slow raft]

Is there a way to calculate how much distance you'll get from a hypertube cannon?

[potent shale]

trail throuh error

[gray sparrow]

i used good ol trial and error

save your game before jumping in the cannon and test. if you die, reload the save

[toxic hemlock]

Are there any good rules of thumbs for replacing trains with drones

[gray sparrow]

I havent made the jump to drones yet so I can't help on that one

[slow raft]

I want to get uranium as soon as possible, for the memes

Just to have it

[past reef]

provided that you already have surplus battery/packaged rocket fuel+, if you are transporting not more than 3 stack per min you can drone to reasonable distance

[vapid gorge]

very different things.

are you talking about just throughput?

[toxic hemlock]

I find train setup incredibly annoying

[vapid gorge]

that's fair. This is a graph of drone throughput #math-and-meta message

using mk6 belts. though you can convert down with basic math if you don't have that yet

drones are very simple A to B

to keep refueling easy try to have hubs where multiple drones meet that way you only have to refuel those points

[toxic hemlock]

Yeah naturally

[past reef]

train trades higher throughput with upfront logistics setup and power instead of mini fuel consumption (around 3 battery/rocket fuel per min per drone)

[vapid gorge]

but most vehicle logistic choices take a bit of experience and skill to use

honestly most issues people have with trains and trucks is they try to apply them to situations that are awkward for them

once you have that experience though it's much simpler

[toxic hemlock]

The geometry of building them is annoying

You don't need to deal with that with Drones, presumably

[vapid gorge]

I imagine not? not sure what you mean by 'geometry' of them though

like putting down the rails?

[toxic hemlock]

logistics are easy; building fucking blueprints 200 meters up is obnoxious

[fringe pawn]

Hills

[vapid gorge]

oh you're building sky infrastructure?

[toxic hemlock]

Just trying to get up some cliffs

[past reef]

then that's a build location issue you don't need to corkscrew 250 meters up a cliff

[toxic hemlock]

It's fine when you're on the ground, but even then, you can't place rails in the air, and you can't see if your blueprints are close enough for rails

[vapid gorge]

yeah that's part of the 'experience of when and how to use them' bit

you can do corkscrews or train elevators - but in general part of the plannign is choosing which logistics options to deal with what terrain. Also part of planning the locations of the factories in teh first place

[toxic hemlock]

you can just make seamless supports but that's annoying for turns and uses an annoying amount of resources

[vapid gorge]

what you do for that - build a line of foundations the entire path first

put down blue printed pylons as needed

connect them up.

remove the initial line of foundations

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1284874261852590111/1284878809782554625/unknown_84.png?ex=671e49a4&is=671cf824&hm=89d0c1eaf8c37ef9daf4ed3796883832927b0bd63e412e99509871390a4c8ba7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1132292225087307796/unknown_-_2022-10-16T144436.997.png?ex=671ede8f&is=671d8d0f&hm=c504252b8c223ff4e86e13ac382a3ae545aa1d8dc26418b5ed726f21245093d7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

you can have very tidy rail that way

[toxic hemlock]

Yeah but that's still a pain whenever there are elevation changes

[vapid gorge]

part of hte 'planning and experience' 🙂 people's first rail systems are often garbage because they learn what potential issues are

you could also plan a rail elevation change just so it hugs a cliff for a long while with constant climbing. that's a good tactic.

running head first into a cliff though is awks

[ember fractal]

Skytrain ftw

[prisma kraken]

that's definitely the quickest way to get a train line running

[unborn ermine]

Finally got around to finishing this little Rocket Fuel plant, functionally at least
(totally didnt bungle things up and had to fix things all over the place)

Best part is?
FLAT LINE

Now Im figuring out what I want to do, like that train I have planned for my aluminum plant

[prisma kraken]

mine's probably about as flat as it can be with the t9 stuff going

[unborn ermine]

set them to 1% and make a bunch

[prisma kraken]

then i'd have to automate supercomputers 😛

for the high-end stuff i'm still working off of box factories

[unborn ermine]

Imagine if someone spent the time to get all of their T9 machines synced up like the geo network or better

[prisma kraken]

idk if you can with the quantum encoders, i think their usage is random

[unborn dome]

So what happens if I go slightly over the 50m headlift on a mk2 pump? I'm at 52.8m. Will I still get full flow?

The wiki says it's actually up to 55

[pastel obsidian]

You might get lucky you might not

[unborn dome]

The pipe at the top shows it's fully-filled, so I thiiink that means I'm good?

[pastel obsidian]

If you have problems you know where to look

Adding an extra pump is an easy fix all things considered

[unborn dome]

The space is pretty tight and aesthetically-important, so I'd really rather not. 😅

So I'd have to rejig

[pastel obsidian]

You have 50 meters

[unborn dome]

Yes but it's 50m of this

So hopefully it Just Works™

[pastel obsidian]

Fingers crossed

Maybe we will get mk 3 pumps for fixmas

[prisma kraken]

generally, you can go a few meters over, but you may see things clicking on and off, when in doubt reposition pumps to stay under 50

i've had 2 pipes next to one another that seemed identical in construction, one worked one didn't, you're rolling the dice with it

[unborn dome]

Hmm ok. From what I'm reading they have a 10% overhead, but it sounds like perhaps that's unreliable?

[prisma kraken]

i think pipe networks have hidden memory of what their max headlift was at some point and if you follow the right sequence of steps in building, that never resets

just a theory

some stuff i've seen in experiments seems to suggest that when you build things in different orders over time, causes them to work differently. that's about all i can definitively say

[vapid gorge]

I wouldn't rely on it no. If you're worry is about having pumps clipping through I'd put some more maybe at the midpoint and use that as an excuse to make a 'joint' there and just encase it all in concrete or something

maybe make support struts

[magic island]

maybe pipes handle their logic by build order? ie, the game checks each pipe in sequence to decide how much fluid to pass in which direction

causing different results (compounded over time) if the same design is built in a different order

[jagged vortex]

So help me figure this out, if I have a smart splitter set to "all" in one direction and a specific item in another, will the specific item be split between bpoth directions or will it only go in that one direction?

[vapid gorge]

both

[jagged vortex]

Because I want to de-spaghetify my manufacturers

[magic island]

the specific item will go out any outputs it's allowed to, including an "All" output

[vapid gorge]

are you trying sushi belts?

[jagged vortex]

Yeah

[vapid gorge]

one output 'item' other output 'overflow'

[magic island]

Sounds like you want "Any Undefined"

[vapid gorge]

Any undefined can break systems

you want overflow

[jagged vortex]

Okay so for example set right to RIP and forward to any overflow?

Got it.

[vapid gorge]

the reason 'any undefined' can break sushi is in that example, you've defined RIPs. so once one side is full on RIPs it'll get clogged

where as if you set it to overflow, once that side is filled with RIPs they will flow to the next machine

[prisma kraken]

i think there's probably just a bug in the code that causes it to bypass recalculation of headlift, it's only a theory

[jagged vortex]

This is my first time working with these so I was just praying that I didn't need to make multiple elevator belts to split the parts

[vapid gorge]

as long as you have teh throughput for all the items, set the SS to 'item' and 'overflow', and have a overflow sink at the end? you'll be fine

[magic island]

Well, that's just due to the general principle of always needing overflow to prevent clogs

It's not that there's anything wrong with "Any Undefined", just don't use it to REPLACE an Overflow output

[prisma kraken]

9/10 times with sushi, when in doubt, use 'overflow' instead of 'any undefined'

[leaden cosmos]

the only time is when you want stuff to clog 😄

[vapid gorge]

I can't actually think of a situation where you would prefer 'any undefined'.

[prisma kraken]

when you are draining a specific item off the belt to sink it

[vapid gorge]

over flow still works there

[magic island]

Output A: Thing I want
Output B: Any Undefined (other things I want)
Output C: Overflow

[leaden cosmos]

that or you keep a dedicated overflow lane

[vapid gorge]

I'm pretty sure in that situation everything other than 'thing you want' will go down 'undefinied' until 'thing' clogs it

[prisma kraken]

i sometimes use it in the sorting array i build for gatherables

[vapid gorge]

wait no, 'thing' will then go overflow

[leaden cosmos]

I went that approach for my hub area, straight is any undefined, left was overflow, right was storage for the part
and had a loop path through the middle that had its own overflow so if something weird got in the network it kept on spinning some amount so I could tell what was going on

[vapid gorge]

I guess? Honestly I'd just do over flow at each step and have one sink

I can see how 'any undefined' works in that case but it might just be less compact and more steps to get to the end result

[prisma kraken]

it has uses, but like they're pretty rare and special case

[vapid gorge]

I imagine there could be layout and design choices where you'd want to break it up with it and 'any undefined' could be useful there

but it'd have to be pretty specific and rather niche

[leaden cosmos]

I went with it because multiplayer server, anyone could point a drone to the hub and make things weird 😄

[prisma kraken]

its more useful if you are routing items in a context where there isn't any sink

[leaden cosmos]

it does also mean that for any later splitters, you know that everything your getting is something the earlier stages didnt match on

[magic island]

could be used as an early binary split entering a warehouse

Programmable splitter, Left output is one list of items, Right output is Any Undefined, then both proceed further into their own sushi sorters (that still have overflow sinks)

[prisma kraken]

pretty much, it is 'i want to route these things this way' and the other stuff will be handled by other different routing

i can see some interesting hacky things you could do with it to route a specific item one way on a slow belt to rate limit what comes out the undefined side

[vapid gorge]

yeah that design relies on sinks for each 'item' you're splitting off rather than just a final sink at the end.

Which again I imagine some design and layout choices would fit with that? I'm ... not sure what they would be though. Or at least why you'd make those choices rather than a final sink

other than just 'enjoying complexity' I'm not sure what the goal of hte process would be

[prisma kraken]

i really avoid building such things though. the game is very quick with how it does belt logic, but when you start using smart splitters at every junction, it does start taking a toll

i can't think of an application, honestly. what i do know is that some people have done some interesting things that are akin to making analog logic circuits with belts

Stin Archi was experimenting with that stuff a bit

[vapid gorge]

I suppose. I was forgetting pepole making effective belt/power switches like that

[prisma kraken]

Also, that Kinstruction guy's ala cart drone ordering system

that was all the rage for a hot minute, lol

[vapid gorge]

I never looked into that, though I thought those worked on setting up priority mergers and using garbage mined items as 'on/off' switches

[prisma kraken]

yeah, i played with the idea a bit and actually refined it to using a packaged water loop for the fill material

ended up being much more elegant, but still sort of something that ended up being a screen door for a submarine 😄

[vapid gorge]

SF doesn't have the options like Minecraft redstone to make it interesting

mostly just a few novelties

[prisma kraken]

agreed, there's the wiremod thing (its newer name is escaping me), but base game just doesn't have much for logic gating

best you're going to come up with is some sort of analog level trigger that does something somewhat interesting

if that's what you like building, cool, but i really think such things where you're passing tons of items at high speed through loops just kills game perf

[pastel obsidian]

It would be nice to have a place that shows how much of each item is being produced consumed and sunk

[unborn dome]

Well so far so good

[bitter plume]

besides elctrode circuit boards is Petrol Coke just entirely useless?

[pastel obsidian]

It's good for aluminum and caterium

[worthy talon]

would it be a bad idea to sushi line uranium, plutonium, & ficsitonium fuel rods into nuclear generators so idon't have to build 3 seperate sets of nuclear generators

[spare jolt]

electrode scrap and turbo blend fuel are good recipes

[pastel obsidian]

Its basically turning crude into coal

[prisma kraken]

its good for stuff later in the game. electro cb is a good situational recipe, but for mass producing boards you really want cat cb or silicon cb

[bitter plume]

I can see a use for large amounts of steel ingots pm but unless im misunderstanding the Alumina Scrap recipe and the Turbo Blen Fuel just seem bad?

[prisma kraken]

no, they're both very, very good recipes

sloppy+electro+pure for aluminum gives you 1:1 bauxite->ingot

and blended TF is how i prefer making TF because it uses less sulfur and no coal

[spare jolt]

i dont use turbo blend because its too complex for me, but electrode aluminum is a must have, especially on the south to rocky desert spawn

[spiral wigeon]

yall got any tips

[unborn ermine]

Turbo blend is how you get the most out of regular rocket fuel recipe

[prisma kraken]

but coke in general has a hodgepodge of uses that are situational. it has slightly more range than coal in vehicles due to its 200 stack size; you can get some extra power from it in coal gens (sometimes useful for disposing of waste water)

[bitter plume]

If anyone has the math on the alumina id appreciate it but im not understanding why Turbo Blend is considered good? It seems strictly worse than the other two recipes. Sure it produces more Turbo PM but it also uses more oil, more power, and sulfur?

[prisma kraken]

don't skip the game tutorial?

[unborn ermine]

Its a lot of oil but sulphur is saved, so say, perfect for the west coast

[unborn dome]

Are you playing on a dedicated server? I think that skips the onboarding process. Try starting a single-player game and building up the HUB and whatnot.

[bitter plume]

Because Rocket Fuel and Ionized Fuel's biproducts are compacted coal they can feed back into turbo fuel if you wanted to go that route

[prisma kraken]

here's a comparison, normalized to 600 sulfur as input

[unborn ermine]

I used a current max belt for mine, 780/min sulphur, so it was ~1200/min oil needed.

[pastel obsidian]

I think it's fine you don't run into sulfur problems till post late game

[unborn ermine]

and like I said, west coast isnt packed for sulphur, so its great.

[bitter plume]

Default is def the way to go if your using rocket fuels coal

[prisma kraken]

yeah, 600 sulfur can get you 40gw of tf or upconverted from the tf to rf, 120gw

[unborn ermine]

Im compacting myself 1040/min steel off of my plant

[bitter plume]

ionized go brrrrr

[prisma kraken]

you also get 200 + 250 compacted coal back if you upconvert from there to ion fuel

[bitter plume]

Are the tempered recipes worth considering?

[prisma kraken]

i don't find them very compeling

[unborn ermine]

Tempered is like compacted, if you are wanting to spend it.

[prisma kraken]

tempered cat looks kind of sweet if you have the spare coke

not having to build pure cat... yeah, that's a thing

[bitter plume]

i dont mind complicated setups i loved the leached recipes

[prisma kraken]

tempered copper. meh. pure sucks but unless your making 60 pasta/min, stick with copper alloy

[bitter plume]

just wondering about the efficiency esp cuz water is everywhere and pure is p decent

its slowwww but effcient enough i g

[unborn ermine]

Pure is slower, so you have to scale up.

[prisma kraken]

pure builds are huge and cumbersome and eat power

the recipes are kind of a newb trap

[pastel obsidian]

You get almost the same amount for 1/8 of the footprint

Wait you do get the same amount

[unborn ermine]

with just a pinch of iron

[prisma kraken]

copper alloy, even after the substantial nerf it recieved in 1.0 is still one of the best recipes in the game

[pastel obsidian]

Who made the compacted steel Ingot

[prisma kraken]

it was more useful in previous game versions where you didn't have as much you could do with coke

makes for some dense steel builds though

[pastel obsidian]

It used compacted coal

[prisma kraken]

errr, read that wrong

compacted steel got nerfed and buffed

they kind of went overboard making the cycle amt so small

but it makes a butt-ton of steel

[fringe pawn]

The buff was applied in a way that nobody should use, though. Because right now compacted steel is only useful for rocket fuel byproduct. Which makes the resource efficiency buff moot.

[pastel obsidian]

It makes 10/min on the wiki

[prisma kraken]

yeah, really the changes to the HMF recipe chain to reduce the steel cost sort of made compacted steel a non-starter

[fringe pawn]

If you use compacted steel during T3/4, it's so power inefficient, the resoure efficiency is negated by the extra coal generators you need for 6x the foundries compared to solid steel.

[prisma kraken]

it used to be 1.666x with a cycle yield of 37.5 iirc

[pastel obsidian]

That's not so bad

[prisma kraken]

it was less dense but didn't do the 2x

[bitter plume]

i do heavy encased frames so i never really had a problem with them

just alot of iron and a lil concrete

[prisma kraken]

where it was useful was squeezing all the steel you could make out of an area like north forest or dune desert where there's a lot more iron than coal

really in previous game versions, you needed a ton more steel btw HMF's and motors

the HMF cost was tweaked quite a bit by reducing EIB's cost and now the iron pipe recipe also allows you to make more without needing coal

[pastel obsidian]

How is the iron pipe recipe

[prisma kraken]

overall, the recipe changes reduce the number of biomes you need to burn on motors & hmf's

[spare jolt]

very inefficient

[prisma kraken]

its very good in some places like with steeled frame

when you couple it with iron alloy (which is amazing now), the 4:1 ingot->pipe isn't so bad

btw, iron alloy makes more ingots per iron ore than pure

[fringe seal]

I'm assuming splitting a pipe across multiple floors is a bad idea

[pastel obsidian]

How much are you splitting

[prisma kraken]

if you do it right you can. the rule is never have the consumers of a pipe network on multiple levels

[fringe seal]

the math demanded that I need to split 400 into 160 and 240

[fringe seal]

on one hand 400 is much less than 600
on other hand, yeah

[pastel obsidian]

You should be fine if you use a 600 pipe

[prisma kraken]

what happens is consumers on the lower level always steal input away from the one's on upper levels

[fringe seal]

I'm interpreting that sentence as "if it is mathed out and if the pipe is full, it should be ok"

[pastel obsidian]

That also happens if you make it on the same level where the closer machines seat input to those at the end of the manifold

[prisma kraken]

even if the math is square, splitting the level of consumers on a pipe is bad mojo

split it into 2 pipes that go to each floor

[fringe seal]

I guessed that was the case

hmm

[pastel obsidian]

Try it with one pipe adding another pipe imo wouldn't be that hard

[prisma kraken]

if you really figured out the inner workings of the game's pipe simulation, it probably is possible to have all machine's cycles fire at just the right time to negate the fact that the lower level consumers steal the upper level's input, but good luck figuring that out

[pastel obsidian]

Just put a sloop in your producer to flood the pipe and buffer the consumers

[vapid gorge]

...I doubt that.

I can't imagine there being a reasonable sequence that allows to avoid back flow

[prisma kraken]

i'm saying that i think it might be possible, but you'd probably be hating life for a week or two, lol

i.e. if you get it working you had some dumb luck

has anyone here made an ammo plant using converters yet?

[vapid gorge]

I was just thinking about the pipes that were very long in a looped manifold and the loop being unable to manage all the unstable points after hours

[prisma kraken]

conceivably, a filled buffer at higher level should allow it to work, but i wouldn't place money on it all

[fringe seal]

then when you load from the save the perfect system you had also resets probably

[prisma kraken]

yep, i really, really don't build things in a way that i'm exploiting weird game behaviors

i like building something and not having to jiggle the handle 🙂

[fringe seal]

given this comment, this is not safe I presume

top-down view of the pipes I currently have

the blue is pipe, all looped in a 8-refinery manifold

[vapid gorge]

so 2 groups of refineries feeding 2 groups of refineries?

[fringe seal]

crude oil is injected from somewhere else

[vapid gorge]

keep them in 2 groups.

avoid linking up fluid systems when possible

[fringe seal]

it's not one group of refinery feeding the other

[vapid gorge]

oh...I don't understand what is going on then in the image

[fringe seal]

gimme a min

[prisma kraken]

paint3d is getting a workout 😛

[pastel obsidian]

I thought they deprecated paint 3d

[vapid gorge]

ooohhh.... why is each oil input being split in 2?

[fringe seal]

the one pure node demanded that I use 600
and I of course decided on 12-long row of refineries before I noticed it

[bleak ivy]

does anyone else wish that pipes and pumps etc had a figure for average flow rate over say a minute? i don’t find the instantaneous measurements very useful since they tend to vary wildly unless the pipe capacity is maxed out

[fringe seal]

the entire blue parts are looped at least

[vapid gorge]

huh look that should work

[unborn ermine]

I did my pure node in one row and looped it, working

[vapid gorge]

flood the system and maybe put powered pumps on the Xs for safety

[fringe seal]

the third group of refineries are not drawn but imagine that there's a third blue line

[unborn ermine]

Actually have one that splits THEN loops in two segments, also working (600/min)

[fringe seal]

gotcha

[vapid gorge]

splitting manifolds is possible, just a bit more finicky.

[fringe seal]

by all accounts this should not work...??

[vapid gorge]

well, there's a good chance you don't even need manifold loops with that. Raw oil tends not to

[pastel obsidian]

Nice

[vapid gorge]

however if you're performing shenanigans, and you flood this system and still getting some jank after the pumps? I'd prob loop and flood the branches individually

[fringe seal]

I'll just chalk this up to fluids being incomprehensible

[unborn ermine]

iirc I did do a prefill as well, was a while back tho.

[vapid gorge]

nah, think of it this way, does the idea of doing things that can be grouped as 'less stable' and 'more stable' with pipes make sense to you?

[fringe seal]

sure

[vapid gorge]

ok so the trick with pipes is that it's not super clear w/o experience how much the 'less stable' designs affect each other. LOTS of variables. So in general you're better off using as many of the 'more stable' options

[fringe seal]

the problem I have is that it often feels like our understanding of pipes run perpendicular to how pipes actually work

[vapid gorge]

it's like a jenga tower

[unborn ermine]

One of the splits, the sides jump from 298 to 390ish.

[vapid gorge]

well real fluid systems for cities and things are things of great work and design and have actual pressure that has to be managed very careful so it doesn't explode

if you ever meet the people responsible for maintaining your town's water system? shake their hands and thank them for their service

[unborn ermine]

I will beat the person who made my apartment's plumbing

[fringe seal]

true, but RL physics need not apply for this game

[vapid gorge]

that's probably the lowest bidding contractor putting in a shitty pump. Thank you capitalism

[vapid gorge]

well.. RL physics is much worse than this game's fluid physics xD

if you ever do an engineering degree Fluid Dynamics will be your 2nd most hated topic

Thermo dynamics only gets 1st because it includes having to deal with fluid dynamics

[unborn ermine]

Things like my kitchen sink burping because my neighbor did dishes.
Or that my neighbor upstairs uses a dishwasher and the drains cant handle it so I get a flooded apt

[vapid gorge]

hey, if you have stricter building code regulations you get Communism, is that what you want?

[unborn ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-our-now-gif-21036569

[prisma kraken]

honarary mention goes to P-Chem

[spare jolt]

What was the nerf?

[prisma kraken]

pre-1.0 it was 2 copper + 1 iron = 4 ingot

now it is 2+2 = 4

unless you're goal is to do something crazy big with nuclear or portal tech, the 2x yield from alloy is more than enough in the game

[jagged vortex]

Is there a way to turn off rounding in the calculator? I'm getting sick of trying to figure out the exact percent needed for exactly one of my machines

[prisma kraken]

wdym?

[pastel obsidian]

You can paste in the formula

100/3 is just 33.333333

[spare jolt]

i.e. basically nothing changed because there's still a lot of iron on the map

[jagged vortex]

So for my current factory I need 10.63x smelters to churn out 318.89 ingots per minute and I had to go out of my way to do some extra math because the 10th factory doesn't need to be set to 163% but rather 162.9667% to curn out 48.89 ingots/min

Rounding up adds just a bit too much iron into the mix

[prisma kraken]

yeah, also the buff that iron alloy got really means that you can use both recipes to multiply your ingot count in the early game by using them together. I was able to make a factory that takes 300 copper + 900 iron ore and get 90/min mod frames out of it

that's at phase 2 tech level

[spare jolt]

Yea I really gotta utilize these more

Considering i started my new game on grassy fields which has a ton of impure nodes

[prisma kraken]

i prefer taking numbers like that and rounding the machines to an even number like 12 and then figuring out how much each should make at an equal clock rate

i.e. if you need 120/min, you just enter into 12 machines 'make 10/min'

[vapid gorge]

yeah that's not rounding, in that case you need 318.89 ingots per min

[magic island]

the copper alloy nerf was barely a nerf, because almost every copper location has an equal or greater amount of iron too

[prisma kraken]

it tells you how good the recipe really was

[vapid gorge]

Also iron is a trash resource.
Very nearly as good a trade as adding water to a recipe, plus you get teh bonus of not needing to deal with fluids

[prisma kraken]

yeah, i gotta say that i really dislike doing pure builds

[jagged vortex]

The calc says 10.63x not 10.629667x

[prisma kraken]

probably 10.63333333333333333333333333 repeating

[vapid gorge]

share the plan?

[jagged vortex]

Sure gimmie a sec.

[prisma kraken]

man, that's an ugly number

[vapid gorge]

ugh, scim. Let me convert this to tools

[jagged vortex]

There's another calc?

[prisma kraken]

lol

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

also factoriolab can do satisfactory but sftools is better

[vapid gorge]

I think I got all your alts ? https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=RSAMzTuRDIaDBVcSlz52

[vapid gorge]

sorry, missed 2 outputs https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=St1lbxDJ3OV9ROeDtwCT

[jagged vortex]

I'm going to ignore the SAM

I don't think it's required since I'm near Caterium not SAM

[vapid gorge]

that last link removed sam from the options

[prisma kraken]

fyi, that number (10.633333) is 319/30

that's gross, lol

[jagged vortex]

This whole thing is gross

All this just to make a crappy circuit city

But this is MUCH better

[vapid gorge]

ok the reason for that is the actual needed clocking is 10.62962
which you should round up to 10.6297 total constructors

Which is odd? generally tools does more than 2 digits on machiens

Hey greeny, do you know why your tools is rounding up to 10.63 here?

@wind spade

[jagged vortex]

Well what do you know

I go stark raving mad trying to get everything perfect, and I actually find a bug to be squashed

Neat.

[vapid gorge]

it... might not? there may be something odd with the actual ratios between the ingots and iron wire?

it's possible it's rounding up because the 108.888 ingots pm you need gets rounded up

[vapid gorge]

in any case. Tools has a much more user friendly interface. I highly recommend

[jagged vortex]

Yeah it's way faster I noticed

[vapid gorge]

you can easily save plans too - apparently you can download files that will save groups of plans together? I just use the 'share' button and save the url in my spread sheets and lable them

double check I got all the alts you were using though. the resolution on your image was a bit small I could have missed something

[vapid gorge]

actualy off hand I'd guess that since you have an Or input that you have to round up for and a ingot input you have to round up for that's why it has 10.63? but I'm not sure. Since both calcs did it I'd imagine it's something to do with how computers math

[jagged vortex]

Eh, it seems to be even after some fiddling

It's an ugly ratio

Now that that's all done I can finally after 4 hours hook this bad boy up to miners and power

[prisma kraken]

iron wire and stitched plate always end up making strange ratios

you need to make everything at like 45x the size for the numbers to be non-icky

or clock everything up to 250 and only make it 18x the size, lol

[bitter plume]

^me

"This numbers headache is totally worth making this factory 1.2x smaller!

[leaden cosmos]

then there is aluminium where 1 shard in 1 machine and 2 in the other makes the math way easier 🙂

[wind spade]

Or clock machines for the "weird" ratio and be done

[fathom ice]

to transfer 1,200 m of gas do i need to train freights or can i do it with 1 ?

[leaden cosmos]

1200/min?
not possible with 1 car

[fathom ice]

whats the max per cart ?

[wind spade]

Two

[leaden cosmos]

your input pipes are 2x 600/min and the inputs stop for 27.08s
so you cannot cram in 1200/min to a single station,

the car holds 1600, but the station cant load that rate

[vapid gorge]

package it and it becomes more convenient

[ebon girder]

Does anyone know if this works: You put 2 truck stations opposed to each other, one is loading and one is unloading, it will remove the things the truck carried, while adding the stuff from the other truck station (ofc until the removing station has removed everthing, then it would probably start removing what the other station is currently putting into the truck).

[vapid gorge]

... what? maybe sketch what you mean?

[ebon girder]

and then you put the right timing into the stop, and re-route the stuff you dont want removed back to the loading station

ok

[leaden cosmos]

are you trying to make it so the truck arrives, unloads in 1 stop, loads in 1 stop then continues on?

[vapid gorge]

I don't think you can clip stations like that

[ebon girder]

you can

[vapid gorge]

also, why would you?

[ebon girder]

yeah, that's what I am asking, if you can do this to make one load and one unload

what items are unloaded first?

[vapid gorge]

maybe? try it

[ebon girder]

yeah, I have to try it I guess

[vapid gorge]

why woudnlt you just have 2 belts continue to move things?

[ebon girder]

but that's what the chat is for 😄 to exchange, maybe someone here is truck experienced

[ebon girder]

oh, missunderstanding.... I want the truck to arrive with a full belly, and then the unload station is removing stacks, and the load station is filling the empty slots with something else. and then I want to time it right, so that it doesn't start to remove the loading goods.

ok, I will try it

we ll see

[vapid gorge]

but the truck isn't moving in this right? it's just sitting in between loading and unloading?

oh you actually want it to do a loop and load and unload at the same time. Yeah you'll have NO control over what gets unloaded even if it can do both simultaneously

have it stop to unload, then stop in front of another station to load

[ebon girder]

ok, I tried it, doesnt work. The truck is always ignoring one of the two stations

Only one arms moves and one station is triggered. Pitty

[vapid gorge]

I mean, even if it didn't ignore one you'd very likely just swap items between stations

[ebon girder]

yeah, as long that that would have happend only AFTER the arriving goods are removed, I would filter them and move them back to the other station and minimize that effect by blancing the time of the stop.

but meh, doesnt work

[vapid gorge]

they aren't all delivered in one shot, it's stacks per second

[desert knot]

How many items are used to build stuff ? I want to know in order to design my storaeg but I don't want to spoil myself even more

[vapid gorge]

32~ ish? probably more now ith t9

central storages aren't particularly useful though, build one if you think its fun though

[desert knot]

Yeah I want one to have everything at one place and have a cool line of belts

[vapid gorge]

aim for at least 40 then

[desert knot]

I really don't want to have to modify the storage ^^'
Is taht with or without consumables

with or without the alien artifacts

[ebon girder]

better go with 50 then

[vapid gorge]

without

add at least enough for every ammo, bomb, alien thing

inhaler I guess though those are handcrafted

[ebon girder]

if you also want to store every single ammo and nobelistk type and equipment stuff, power cells etc etc.... maybe you even want 60 😄

[desert knot]

I can have 36 belts on 9 foundations with walls on either side so I'm probly going for that many infinite ressources

[desert knot]

No I'm gonna sotre them together

[vapid gorge]

that'll be difficult to automate and store even vaguely evenly

[desert knot]

programmable splitter go brrrr

I g I can go for 48

Yeah sure I'll go for that

[vapid gorge]

it's more that you're not guaranteed to have them all arive around the same time you might fill up the container 3/4 full of 1 type of ammo before the rest come along

[desert knot]

wait actually I can go for any multiple of 4lol

[desert knot]

Yeah but I don't use a lot of them anyway, the only one I see myself automating is nobelisks

and masks

[toxic hemlock]

What's the point of water resource nodes? They use more power than an equivalent number of extractors with pumps

[pastel obsidian]

just another place to get water from

[vapid gorge]

access to water in places you normally dont

[ebon girder]

Effort. Some nodes are located where getting water is a logistical effort

[vapid gorge]

sometimes you just need a small amount of water somewhere

[fringe seal]

it would take 102 seconds to move items from two Drone Ports immediately next to each other.
let's assume I need to move plastic, which stacks to 200
drones have 9 slots
9(slots)/(102(sec)*2)*200(items/slot)*60(sec/min) = ~529 items / min

better than I thought hm

[oblique hollow]

Ive now checked this one out now in the save you sent me.
These refineries use 480/min crude total, not 600

Ive been looking at this for multiple minutes now on 3x game speed

[plain fossil]

chat what do i do with 2 industrials full of fluctuators

i started making them without knowing what ill do with all of them

[frosty owl]

Did they change fluid dynamics?
Or is it just the change to the junction size that affected things?

As far as I know, fluid dynamics are the same since ~U7 when they fixed the fluid loss bug, right?

[leaden cosmos]

hook up to your depot, handy for making more depots 😄

[plain fossil]

yeah i have a depot hooked up

its the mercer spheres that im too lazy to get

HWHAT?

[oblique hollow]

they definitely changed SOME things because snutt said in the phase before 1.0 that they were looking into pipe bugs

[plain fossil]

is that connection intentional?

[frosty owl]

I stopped looking at videos/news a bit before 1.0 due spoilers, so I'm not up to date on that

[leaden cosmos]

yes, but only to wall nubs, it makes a good entry / exit point for zipline travel

[ember fractal]

Something about pipes or fluids was changed, not sure what

[leaden cosmos]

they are likely always being looked at, belts and pipes are 2 of the most performance related computations in the game, most of the machines come down to are all inputs enough to run, and is there room at the output to run,
belts have gotten cheaper now they do combination shenanigans to lower the compute load,
pipes I don't think they can pull the same trick on and remain with some more expensive computation

[spare jolt]

hey all. what is the approximate ratio of iron to copper i should go in the early game? like, is 2:1 enough?

[quick prism]

Just make at least 1 line on every material, it doesn't matter early game

[plain fossil]

what are goood alternates for computer components

i also have caterium computer

[past reef]

there's also crystal computer with silicon high speed connector + silicon circuit board that saves quite a bit of space

caterium computer is simplest in terms of logistics (only need to bring caterium and copper sheets) I think?

[vast jungle]

depends heavily on how much caterium vs. how much raw quartz you have closeby... the Alts allow you to go heavy into the Quartz direction

if you go for Crystal Computer, you will need quite a few Crystal Oscillators...

[plain fossil]

caterium computer i think

[past reef]

supercomputer forces caterium so I'm slightly hesitant to put the local caterium on caterium computer

[deft lichen]

you'll have trains by then

[scarlet sky]

This should work as a variable priority output junction, right?

[oblique hollow]

variable output? yea

[scarlet sky]

Yea to make sure the pipe network in the generator farm is filled, and then send the output to get packaged

tx

[willow frost]

Would this work to make sure nothing gets clocked? 500 fuel up one pipe, 460 up the other (960 total). 420 goes to turbo, the rest goes to fuel gens

the one that goes up and back down into the wall is going to fuel gens

[scarlet sky]

You may need a pump before they split and/or valves afterwards but otherwise that should work

[vapid gorge]

which direction is it going ? ^_-

[vapid gorge]

big oof. In general don't try to do a merge split like this. Make the 2 sections create the exact amount each destination needs

if you insist on doing this I'd put powered pumps everywhere and flood the system

pumps

[prisma kraken]

it took me a minute to reason about what you have pictured, I think it should work, but with pipes in the game, whenever you're asking such questions, it probably won't

rationally, junctions don't have capacity caps, so you should be fine doing the merge and split through one like that and the hump should prioritize the TF of the generators, but idk

[willow frost]

the hump prioritizing turbo was mainly what I was going for. Once the turbo is full then the gens start recieving fuel

[vapid gorge]

if the system works at all? sure

but aren't the gens and turbo sections clocked to consume exact amounts?

[prisma kraken]

what i can say is that you have way too small of a pipe segment with the junction spliced onto the pipe next to the support

remove the support & snap the junction onto the pipe end

[vapid gorge]

the main this is fluids can act real weird doing a merge/split like this

pumps can help keep the flow stable though? doesn't guarantee it though

[prisma kraken]

that's one of those unwritten rules if you splice junctions onto pipes or splitters/mergers onto belts - you never want to do so at the end of the belt or pipe segment

[drifting flare]

anyone got the coal/ water pump ratio image on hand?

[scarlet sky]

Not sure which one you're looking for, but this setup would work:

[vapid gorge]

it's just on the wiki

[scarlet sky]

Ah here we go https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Coal-Powered_Generator#/media/File:Coal_Generator_Schematic.png

I usually do the middle option from the last one

[drifting flare]

perfect, thats all i needed haha, i was going to look at the wiki, but it would have been faster to ask here first lol

[astral crater]

math question (not sure if it goes here) but i dont quite understand liquid, is the 20m per min in cubic meters? if a water extractor produces 120m³/min you could like get 6x the needed amount out of this right?

or what exactly is the 20 per min?

[mild copper]

you need 20m3 per minute

so yeah you're right

[astral crater]

oki thanks

[rotund summit]

do you guys connect your geothermal line to main grid? if not what do you usually use geothermal for?

[spiral wigeon]

I personally do bc it’s too inconsistent to run a factory off of imo

[mild copper]

I think the only reason I placed them was for free power, not sure I needed it

[rotund summit]

i currently run a separate line for it but idk i might just connect them to the main under a priority switch or something

[wary storm]

I see the fuel power generation tutorial on the guide is outdated. Anyone got the maths for 1.0?

[spare jolt]

i dont because too much effort of running around and putting the powerlines

not worth it imo

[spare jolt]

what maths exactly? fuel gen produces 250 MW while taking 20 fuel/liquid biofuel, 7.5 turbofuel, 4.166667 rocket fuel or 3 ionized fuel

[wary storm]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Setting_up_Fuel_Power

or something like that

[grand jasper]

is cluster nobelisk nice?

[spare jolt]

sorry I'm not using this tutorial, I use community calculators or calculate myself

[spare jolt]

is more bombs better than one bomb?

[mild copper]

baby bombs

[grand jasper]

thats a good salses pitch

[mild copper]

nukes my beloved

[spare jolt]

but seriously, if we're talking about the vegetation, then yea, it's totally worth it

not so much for combat though, unless you don't mind leaving a barren desert after fighting with alphas for an artifact

[prisma kraken]

yeah, the nukes use is leveling terrain & killing yourself in a fight, lol

in all seriousness, there's a few spots on the map with tons of large spooders and if you can chuck a few nukes into their camp ground, the fight can be quicker

[wary storm]

power generation with rocket fuel is worth it, or should I stick with turbo fuel and move on to nuclear?

[prisma kraken]

rocket fuel can supplant nuclear for power needs

that being said, i'm still working off of a 40gw tf build with a bunch of APA's along side

[spare jolt]

totally worth it, expecially if you're using nitro RF recipe

though it takes twice as much sulfur instead of iron plates and water

[prisma kraken]

there's a ton of sulfur on the map at this point

there actually always was

one thing about sulfur though is that the converter can make a lot of other ores with sulfur as the source material, you may want to be conservative with your use of it with power, as once you have a power plant that is using a resource, that resource is kind of can't-touch from then on

[prisma kraken]

i'm honestly of the opinion that nitro rf is the worst way to make RF. it is easy to build, but it just ends up being mediocre. for 600 sulfur and 4x the oil you cna make more than 2x the rocket fuel with blended -> default rf

[grand jasper]

soon

[prisma kraken]

the pasta is-a-cookin!

[grand jasper]

just waiting for the final train

[wary storm]

mmm I can do that. setting a new train line will be a pain tho

[amber umbra]

I’m at the point of working on phase 4 elevator parts. Gets a bit overwhelming since I kinda need to refactor a few earlier parts (plastic/rubber). Did a mini nuclear pasta setup last night. Particle accelerator is cool.

[spare jolt]

it takes iron plates and water though, so two more items to care about

nitro is just simpler, even if its less effective

[amber umbra]

Water is likely “free” since you’d build near oil and that’s near water.

Naturally is an ease of design, build vs output.

[wary storm]

I definitely prefer the simpler approach

[prisma kraken]

agreed, either one makes more power in a reasonably sized build than you probably would ever need with APA's to supplement it

[drifting flare]

is there a uranium node on the map?

[prisma kraken]

5

they are all kind of hidden and/or remote

[drifting flare]

haha, perfect, means i can auto mate nuke bombs lol

[prisma kraken]

probably easiest one to find is in the massive cave near the void hole

[grim walrus]

anyone got a fused frame recipe that dosent take 1300 iron ore xd

[grand jasper]

T9 here i come. now what do i vonvert into ficsite?

[prisma kraken]

HMF's take a lot of steel, no way of getting around it

[grim walrus]

sad xd

[prisma kraken]

aluminum is the best conversion ratio, but atm for just doing game complete unlocking, i'm making it from iron

not hard to find 2400 iron next to a sam node on the map 😉

[scenic cloud]

I found two reasonably near caterium and Sam nodes and just ran a train

[grand jasper]

what area?

[scenic cloud]

the pure SAM node in western dune forest, and the caterium in dangle spires

[grand jasper]

also how much ficiste is a good starting point? i get like 37 out of 600 sam if i go iron. but i have no frame of reference

[scenic cloud]

I built it out of the two pure nodes and it was massive overkill

you really don't need much IIRC, a full SC should probably be enough to beat the game.

[grand jasper]

two pure you mean 2 puer sam?

[scenic cloud]

No, one pure Sam and one pure caterium

[amber umbra]

I feel like scaling based on one node of each resource required for a recipe is a good starting point.

[ember fractal]

You could sloop the blenders and get tons of RF while still having a quick and simple build

I'm a fan of the nitro recipe

[grim walrus]

anyway to get around need 5k copper ore per minute for 35 singulatertys

[grand jasper]

and after making ficsite ingot i can just sloop the trigon constructers if i see it right. that should give me enough to cerate a few things from it. 600 sam then become 300 trigons

for 2 sloops when OCing the constructeres

[ember fractal]

Not bad

[prisma kraken]

i've been crunching the numbers on that, turns out you actually get more trigons if you sloop the converters

...at least with the aluminum recipe

[zenith hare]

I'm creating my first mega factory, and I have 21 different outputs. What I'd like to do is have each output go into storage, but once storage is full go into a sink. How might I accomplish this without making 21 sinks?

[fathom ice]

do gases need pumps ?

[spare jolt]

why do you need 21 sinks? if the output doesn't even fill mk1 conveyor (say rotors), you can just combine those into one best conveyor and sink it

[zenith hare]

I want to have 21 storage boxes, but when the boxes are full to output into a sink

[spare jolt]

put smart splitters before the storage, and then merge the overflow

i understand if you sink low-density resources like ingots, but if it's rotors, motors, computers etc., you can just merge them onto your best conveyer and put into a single sink

[spare jolt]

still don't see much of a problem except squeezing in the smart splitters and rerouting the overflow without conveyer intersections

[grand jasper]

is something like this enough to have multiple trains on a line? or what do i have to build to enable that

or where can i find a tutorial to make a trainnetwork. a basic one

[molten stratus]

Is that a single line that's bidirectional? If so, you should make it a dual track to avoid a ton of pain

[grand jasper]

ok i suspected that much.

[pure crow]

Yeah, dual track. Periodic block signals on normal rails. Guarded intersections (i.e. path signals on entrances, block signals out). Off-rail train stations so loading trains don't block paths for passing trains. Those are sort of the rules of thumb and makes things a lot easier.

[keen moss]

how do i

[iron wren]

Drag your power grid from "undefined" into a priority group

[patent blaze]

Damn it still seems like a nightmare to get rid of decent amounts of plutonium waste

I made up a plan using 76 waste/min and its asking for 16000 copper ore /min

[iron wren]

Do any of you know of a site to calculate your power production? Satisfactory tools doesnt work because it doesnt work with nuclear waste

[scenic cloud]

Yea, you're better off just sinking fuel rods and using the resources you'd be dealing with plutonium waste on convertering more uranium.

[patent blaze]

It does, you can add it as input

[iron wren]

Oh turee

*true

[keen moss]

omg thank you so much, now it feels like my little pony: friendship is magic... TY!

[patent blaze]

True

I’ll just uraniummaxx then

Aiming for a terawatt on my world

[scenic cloud]

Noice

[patent blaze]

Assuming it doesnt corrupt before that, i think i already hit entity limit and i havent even placed a reactor yet

[iron wren]

How big is rhe entity limit btw?

[amber jacinth]

yeah, the ficsonium chain is a nightmare for resources

[grand jasper]

how do i signals?

[ivory aurora]

What makes production and capacity different_

[pure crow]

Hmm... at what number of belts worth of throughput, would you say is enough for just about anything, assuming you were running a bus for it (say, 1 type of ore)? Been wondering how the bus players think about this.

(I thought up multiple ways to merge & split N belts, but the solution gets pretty ridiculous, I'm wondering if like, 4 is enough)

[patent blaze]

For ore? You might need like 10 belts of copper ore idk about the others

But i suggest smelting the ores into ingots at the extraction point, if theres water there then use refineries

[grand jasper]

cloudy diamonds looks kinda nice. but it needs more accelerators. so its more power right?

[fringe pawn]

50% more power per diamond, yes

[heavy gust]

praying for ficsonium to be buffed

[fringe pawn]

I'm honestly going to be kind of disappointed with the 1.0 playtesting process if they only decide now that Ficsonium isn't what they intended. Or pretty much any recipe rebalancing they do.

[heavy gust]

idk what they wanted it to be

because right now its pretty much nothing

does nothing, since its too expensive to be used at even a small scale

[pure crow]

Didn't it enable people to use Plutonium Fuel Rods without producing permanent waste? I guess the Ficsonium itself is kind of underwhelming, though.

[heavy gust]

yes, but you need so much sam for it

that it realy doesnt work

[scenic cloud]

The issue is that if you use the SAM to make uranium, you end up with more power.

[scarlet sky]

There aren't enough resources on the map to sink all the plutonium waste afaik

[heavy gust]

it only works for minuature plants using like 300 uranium total

and with those, waste never was an issue to begin with.
So what is its identity?
it was suposed to be a way to take care of the waste

[pure crow]

Oh, I see.

[heavy gust]

there arent enough to even sink 1/3 of the plutonium

i wanted to make a plant with 1/3, but that idea died very fastt

there is a post for it on the QA site, but it could get a little more love.
most people that play the game just didnt get to that point yet

[fringe pawn]

Nuclear power is already a bit of a novelty. Rocket fuel, or even diluted fuel, is more than enough for anyone to finish the game. So I don't necessarily think it matters whether Ficsonium is balanced (whatever balanced would mean). But if they intended for it to be something other than a novelty, and didn't realize that's all it is after the 1.0 playtest, that'd be perplexing to me.

[heavy gust]

yeah for now i just did rocket fuel. Its 1/10 the work
no waste
low resource consumption

but i would LOVE to do complete wasteless nuclear at a decent scale.
very disapointed that its not possible

[snow knot]

why is my mk1 miner on pure getting clogged ? I have all my belts for mk2 so it should be transporting 120 pm. (this is the only source of coal on the line)

[heavy gust]

possibly issue on the consumption side/

[scarlet sky]

yea what's on the other end ofit all?

[snow knot]

im not getting enough coal on the generators its going to (8)

they are frequently shutting down and sometimes i have to restart the whole thing

[fringe pawn]

300 uranium is 7.2 uranium rods, 3.2 plutonium, and 16 ficsonium, right?

[heavy gust]

about right

no wait

[scarlet sky]

The most likely scenario for something like this is that you have a Mk.1 belt somewhere you're missing

[heavy gust]

i think putonium and ficsonium is 1:1

at least on my crumbly sheet of paper from a week ago when i did the math

[fringe pawn]

32 plutonium waste turns into 16 ficsonium rods on Tools.

Which would be 3.2 plutonium rods.

[opal pivot]

is it me or does polymer resin make no sense here?

[heavy gust]

force it to use heavy oil alt

by removing the resin alt from the list of useable ones

and use diluted fuel if you can

im turning 300 crude into 1200 rocket fuel

[opal pivot]

yeah, just makes no sense why it would go for that xD

or not go for diluted

[heavy gust]

a bug prbably

[opal pivot]

I wish satisfactory-calculator let me force recipes

[scarlet sky]

Basically, those solver algorithms/libraries are far from perfect

[stray dagger]

do heavy oil alt

[scenic cloud]

Use satisfactory tools

[opal pivot]

yeah I am

[scarlet sky]

Yeah I generally find tools to have the better planner.

[opal pivot]

unfortunately it isn't working with liquids for me

[scarlet sky]

SCIM's map is freaking awesome though

[heavy gust]

10 waste is 10 fisconium
5 fisconium is 2.5 rods
so 10 waste to 5 rods

32 waste to 32 ficsonium
32 fisconium is 16 rods

[scenic cloud]

Shame

[heavy gust]

so yes

i thought it was wrong, but turns out i remembered it wrong

[opal pivot]

tools tells me to package then unpackage 🤣

[grand jasper]

well shit

[opal pivot]

ahh unticking the packager seems to have fixed it...

[heavy gust]

fisconium cost should be rediced by like 80%.
its so far beyond useable

halving the costs would still leave it to be bad

[scarlet sky]

Tools though, my god that planner loves SAM ore

[opal pivot]

I legitimately don't see the point in anything nuclear with how good rocketfuel is NGL

[grand jasper]

it really wants to convert everything

[opal pivot]

I have more rocketfuel from one mine and a couple of droned mines than I will ever need

[fringe pawn]

Even assuming you get the DMR for "free" from some other process, the resource cost of getting rid of 32 plutonium waste is hilarious. But I do maintain that it doesn't need to be balanced because it's pointless anyway.

[opal pivot]

And that was WITH me using a bad recipe

[scarlet sky]

Really it needs a whole new function so you can specify exactly how much material you want to get from SAM

[heavy gust]

i kinda want to do it since i want to do the process.

but i dont want any waste

[scenic cloud]

Sinking plutonium rods is the way sadly

[scarlet sky]

You can just use only what plutonium you can process the waste for, and sink the remaining rods

[fringe pawn]

There's no functional reason to care about getting rid of waste though. You can safely burn plutonium and tuck it in a corner.

[heavy gust]

nah that sucks

if i cant do a perfect solution im not even gonna start on it

[scarlet sky]

Just cuz we can't use all the plutonium we produce doesn't mean we shouldn't use any of it

[heavy gust]

i want to do closed systems only

[scarlet sky]

This is also true, there's plenty of places on the map, as well as under it, to store an effectively limitless amount of plutonium waste

[fringe pawn]

At some point it's too much work for the developers to support the infinite number of possible arbitrary player goals.

[heavy gust]

yeah sure

[scarlet sky]

Waste-free plutonium is not arbitrary, it's ficsonium's whole purpose

[heavy gust]

but when ficsonium is the worst option available by a wide margin, maybe there is something to do about

[fringe pawn]

And it does that. It seems like people just want it to be more resource efficient.

[heavy gust]

yeah that on top.
waste free plutonium for me was THE THING they added in 1.0

what a let down

[scarlet sky]

No, it doesn't and that's the whole point here. You cannot sink all your plutonium waste. The map does not have sufficient resources.

[fringe pawn]

You're choosing to make that much plutonium waste though.

[heavy gust]

it does not do that by any measure.
it is too expensive to even do it for small plants

[scenic cloud]

IMO the worse issue is that it's worse than the old method of waste management of sinking plutonium rods

[heavy gust]

its way worse than that.
and also the other option is to use sam to create more uranium (why would that ever be more efficient)

[scenic cloud]

Sure, you could train across the whole map to sustain a medium sized power plant, but yea, you'd get a power plant making more power with fewer buildings just by making uranium instead.

[heavy gust]

nothing like using 60% of all the resources to eliminate waste from like what? a 300 GW plant?

better of making a few rocket plants and using sloops to increase power

1.1 will surely come with some changes

[fringe pawn]

I wouldn't count on it.

[heavy gust]

would be very sad

[fringe pawn]

I would change compacted steel and dark ion fuel and some other thingss before I'd touch ficsonium.

[heavy gust]

whats wrong with compacted steel

ionized fuel is also very underpowered

[fringe pawn]

It's useless in tier 3 and 4. It's so power inefficient that you need extra coal plants, defeating the point of its resource efficiency.

[heavy gust]

all the tier 9 stuff is crazy expensive.
kinda gives the impression it was designed with a map that has like 3x the resources

[scenic cloud]

I assume it's designed with sloops in mind

[fringe pawn]

The dark ion alt is especially perplexing because is uses 2.4x the rocket fuel for the same amount of ionized fuel. And eats up the aluminum packaging.

[grand jasper]

how do signals for trains work. i tried the block once and it just caugt the train in the station

[heavy gust]

dark ion only exists so you can make some fuel for the jetpack with minimum efford

and that it does fairly well

[scenic cloud]

Compacted steel is a weird one, yea. Not sure you'd ever be so iron strained that it'd make sense, the map is rather rich in iron.

[heavy gust]

im always using it

saves coal

[scenic cloud]

Interesting, I just did petroleum coke for that.

[heavy gust]

if you have oil around, sure

[fringe pawn]

Compacted steel ingot is not more coal efficient, assuming you're running off of coal power.

[heavy gust]

im not

[fringe pawn]

For 60 ingots, compared to solid steel, you need 2 more coal plants. So the real coal consumption is 40 for solid steel and 45 for compacted steel. Hence my original point of it being terrible during tier 3 and 4.

[heavy gust]

oh nevermind

im stupid
i thought we are talking about solid steel all this time

yeah n ocompacted steel is useless.

but solid steel is good, so its not even an issue

[quartz violet]

having to build 10x less generators lol

[heavy gust]

you can make 4 generator blueprint, that makes it a lot less anoying

[scenic cloud]

For really big factories nuclear is more efficient resource -wise as well

[vivid aurora]

anyone familiar with excel solver/crystal ball?

[ebon girder]

I also use compacted, because it's a complex chain and I always try to use the most complex chains 😄

[scenic cloud]

Based

[opal pivot]

IDK why but I always get this on tools when trying to calculate rocket fuel

I think the alternate is bugged

[scarlet sky]

Did you enable compacted coal and turbofuel recipes?

[opal pivot]

yes

It works with the regular recipe

[heavy gust]

it refuses to do fisconium or plutonium

[opal pivot]

My theory is that there's something up with liquids in the calculations

[prisma kraken]

it is a puzzle to solve. by my tally, you should be able to make 60 ufr's, 22.5 pfr's and 225 ffr's with resources on the map and a modest 15/15/15 goal for the P5 elevator parts along with some extra stuff for portal fuel and APA's if you so choose

[heavy gust]

there is no puzzle, its too expensive

just like there is no budged planning to do for affording a new iphone when you have 200$

it dont fit

[prisma kraken]

it does fit. you just need to think about it

[heavy gust]

i have and it doesnt

[prisma kraken]

is it the best way of making power? no

try using different combos for recipes for pfr's

[heavy gust]

there are no different recepie combos, you need too much sam.
and there are no alt recepies that save on it

and the copper usage is also intense

with all the nuclear pasta

[prisma kraken]

34 sloops double the sam on the map

[heavy gust]

but thats way less of an issue

its still too much

[prisma kraken]

you must not be doing the math right, sorry

being fair, it took me a while to figure out as well

what i'm hoping is that there's a 3 sloop gift at ficsmas so it can be built properly

or possibly 13 so you can fit in an APA as well

[heavy gust]

even if i double the sam on the map, its 75% of that

[fringe pawn]

I think it's good that there isn't a clear best solution.

[heavy gust]

even if fisconium is good its not a clear best solution
rocket fuel is too good and simple to setup for that

but it not being almost unuseable would be quite nice

[scenic cloud]

The tradeoff should be logistics and added complexity of fisconium vs less power of nuclear. But it is more complex, needs more logistics, and makes less power

[fringe pawn]

Diluted fuel amplifying all the subsuequent advanced fuels is another issue.

[heavy gust]

yeah logistics and just production completexety

[deft lichen]

Ficsonium makes absolutely no sense to me

[scarlet sky]

Of course it doesn't, it's a fictional material

[deft lichen]

the tradeoff of plutonium power + waste or no waste makes perfect sense, adding insanely complex ficsonium to the mix does not

[heavy gust]

the amount of time and planning ficsonium takes is suposed to be the tradeoff

there needs to be some kind of reward for the time it takes to setup
there is none currently

if i spend 30 hours or more working on that fisconium plant, there is nothing wrong with that being the "best" option
and best always depends on what you want.
Most power?
space complexity?
logistics
time investment?

right now rocket fuel checks 3/4 of these

[scarlet sky]

Personally I'm hoping it gets a bit of a rebalance and becomes useful post game

[heavy gust]

it needs one. otherwise it might aswell not exist

[ember fractal]

So I just set up a power shard factory, 40/m
And it's putting a sizeable dent into my power grid

[scenic cloud]

I would like to see it on the most points per minute factory

[ember fractal]

It's 2 quantum encoders at 200% and slooped

[scenic cloud]

That'll do it, yup

[ember fractal]

I'm not even sure I need that many shards. Probably use a couple for ionized and store the rest.

[fringe pawn]

If you can let the game run overnight or while you're at work a few times, you can just dismantle the shard production later if you want.

[ember fractal]

Yah, I could build up a few ISC and then just disconnnect the factory from the grid

[fringe pawn]

I stopped at 20 ISCs, which is an amount that's unrealistic to use.

[unborn ermine]

lets be real 2-3 is pushing what a person might use

[ember fractal]

How many shards can fit in 3 ISCs?

[fringe pawn]

4800 shards per ISC, enoguh to fully OC 1600 buildings, so 3 ISCs does 4800 buildings.

[jagged vortex]

There has to be a way to use less iron here, I need more than 2 HMFs/min and my belts cap at 480 rn

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=aL7IID4Cen1SIa5i5Hd5

[ember fractal]

Either split the factory into smaller modular pieces, or get mk5 belts

[unborn ermine]

Solid Steel isnt in there

[jagged vortex]

I don't know what solid steel is

[ember fractal]

And yah, you need solid steel alt

[jagged vortex]

I'll go hunt for it then.

[ember fractal]

Go find hard drives, and then research them in the MAM

[ember fractal]

I'll set up 6 ISCs, that should be enough for me

[jagged vortex]

Oh wow that cut 60 iron out of the recipe

[unborn ermine]

Just doing Solid Steel, that goes from 480 iron needed to 420/min

Its so good

[ember fractal]

ooooooooh, hooold up
power shards cannot be sunk?

I only now realized

[unborn ermine]

Yeah

[jagged vortex]

Is it possible to add more than one alien power generator to a power circuit?

It makes it sound like it would rip the fabric in space-time

[heavy gust]

no, as many has you have sloops is fine

[ember fractal]

hehe, I have like 3 so far I think

gives a nice boost to my grid

[unborn ermine]

Yeah rn with a rocket fuel plant, all the geo, and two coal nodes(780/min) I get ~206-209GW

[jagged vortex]

Okay because in my head it would cause an infinite positive feedback loop

But I suppose it adds 500mw, then adds a 10% bonus to the final amount combined with other buffs

[unborn ermine]

something something diminishing returns, but the flat power can be a helper early on.

[jagged vortex]

Instead of taking the current amount and amplifying it which would be amplified by another which would be amplified by the first which would...

[ivory aurora]

how does overclocking work? that bar is not filling up

[heavy gust]

drag it

[ebon girder]

click and drag

[ivory aurora]

OHH

[heavy gust]

or enter 150% in clock speed

[ebon girder]

its pretty stupid, I know 😛

especially if you want to overclock A LOT of generators

[heavy gust]

or whatever production you want also work

[heavy gust]

why would you OC generators

[ebon girder]

save space

why would you overclock anything?

[heavy gust]

unless u do large rocket fuel plant with like 500 generators, space is not an issue

but even that would barely make a dent in the available space

[ebon girder]

I am doing a large rocket fuel planet with like 500 generators 😛

[ivory aurora]

Only 1 foundry near where im getting my coal

[ebon girder]

yes. PLANET

[ivory aurora]

so i had to make it 60/min

[ebon girder]

😛

[heavy gust]

then make a blueprint with all the overclocks already applied.

you can fit 4 generators in one

[ebon girder]

I know, it grew organically

while exploring etc

and I usually ignore slugs, cause I just build more machines.... EXCEPT when I realized that I make some thousand of rocket fuel and one OCed gen takes like 10 fuel

[ivory aurora]

How did y'all overcome the moment that all your nearby nodes were occupied

[heavy gust]

just walk

[ebon girder]

I think I still need about 150 more gens or smth like that

[ebon girder]

where did you start?

[ember fractal]

less machines you place, less lag

this becomes more of an issue late game

[ebon girder]

yeeah, and by then I can produce powershards

that's why I dont go for every slug I see... waste of time

[ember fractal]

so OC is more relevant as your save grows larger

[unborn ermine]

The setup I did was 2400/min rocket fuel, so unclocked it would have been 576 generators

[ebon girder]

yeah, that's mine too....

[heavy gust]

i did 1200,

put on an audio book and and time flies

[unborn ermine]

I clocked them at 240%
that let me do groups of 4 for the BP I had planed.

[ebon girder]

that's the mess I was talking about. the gens on the right were running without OC, then I changed to rocket fuel and had to OC every single one by hand 😄

growing pains

[unborn ermine]

Layout for mine, and the final checks.

The blueprint maker mk2... so good

NO clocking needed by hand

[weak rose]

is there a spreadsheet for fuel consumption on drones? mainly need to know it for my battery factory

[unborn ermine]

Wiki has it

or at least the base

[ebon girder]

I am waiting for my neural-quantums which wait for supercomputers, because plastic bottleneckwhich means my circuit boards are too low.... but any moment I have them and unlock blueprinter mk3

[weak rose]

wiki has this but doesnt really tell how much per km they consume

so i was hoping there was a better spreadsheet that would prevent external calculations

[unborn ermine]

if you do the first trip, you can see the distance in game, then compare via all the consumption rates they give.

[copper seal]

If I'm making a oil factory, should i use it to make plastic+rubber and use residual to make fuel, or should i make fuel and use residual + water to make rubber and plastic?

[ebon girder]

did I really just say "blueprinter" 😛

[weak rose]

righto, but i would rather know it before hand so i know how much batteries i should make per min

[ebon girder]

Up to you, first one is the starter setup you get first, the other is alternative and more efficient

[copper seal]

i could make either of the two, i can do it im just not sure whats better

[ebon girder]

like if you go HOR for diluted fuel and then into rubber to convert to plastic. but its also a big chain

[weak rose]

make straight fuel and use the resin for plastic and rubber

[unborn ermine]

Im torn, I dont want to boot the game rn, but I do want to to check one thing.

[copper seal]

HOR?

[ebon girder]

heavy oil residue

the pink liquid

[unborn ermine]

I feel like the fuel consumption might be given for all the varieties once a trip is made?
You could say maybe do a packaged fuel trip and see the results for battery, is what I mean.

[copper seal]

oh but i don't have diluted recipe

i just have fuel and residual fuel

[weak rose]

ohhh like that, yeah that would work

[ebon girder]

ah, ok, sorry

well, if you want to use the fuel, make fuel and plastic from the extra residue

[copper seal]

hmmm...

I think i want to get pipes mk2 though?

maybe i should just do straight rubber + plastic, unlock pipes mk2 and then redo it to go back into straight fuel

cause if i go straight fuel right now i'll have 480 fuel/min but i'd need to use multiple pipes