math-and-meta

[prisma kraken]

there's faster methods now, update 5 was a while ago

[lethal condor]

Oh I know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPdYsM0pAfs

Here's a whole video full of build tips, including the newer methods

[autumn herald]

its actually a pure node, i just check, but its all alone

[prisma kraken]

when i need a perfect circle, i still do it the hard way, but for just building curves for roads, since they don't need to be as fine-angled, i just use road barriers on the corners to angle the next foundation 30 degrees

[lethal condor]

I just blueprinted a few 3-foundation long curves

They're modular so I can stack them as needed

And delete individual foundations as needed to get sharper curves if I want

Easier than building it out myself lol

Anyway sorry to rain on your parade @jagged shoal, but I was just trying to save you the trouble of reinventing the wheel

[jagged shoal]

I also blueprinted it but I haven't really looked at anything online because I like figuring it out myself I should have figured this is all old news lol

look I am an engineer so I actually program conveyors for a living so getting to invent stuff on my own is kinda half the fun lol

[lethal condor]

All good lol, I did a lot of this myself too then I looked at some videos and saw some inspiration

[jagged shoal]

I was playing around with beams earlier and that other trick in the video is one I will keep in my back pocket

[lethal condor]

Bitz has a cool clip on how you can use beams to merge two disconnected grids

It's very useful for building organically and off-grid

[jagged shoal]

Now the world grid is something I don't entirely get is there a key to toggle snapping to it?

[lethal condor]

Default is Ctrl

Aim at the ground with a foundation and it'll snap

Now, it's hard to control the exact vertical snapping

So if you build far apart and then try to bring two paths together they might be off by a meter or 2

[jagged shoal]

Yeah it doesn't like that

hmmmm. problem is when I do lots of weird curves for my train tracks between stuff

[vapid gorge]

curves and the world grid don't play well together. gotta pick one

and since the grid sucks butt it's not a hard choice

[lethal condor]

https://www.twitch.tv/its_bitz/clip/BrightTsundereCatYouWHY-xCwNDCUmfXo0HDbH?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

Try this clip

[vapid gorge]

This is one of the reasons the grid is balls , cause you can just do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX_2i8T3Dbw

[lethal condor]

Yeah that's probably the same method lol

[vapid gorge]

You don't even need to connect different factories with foundations so it's always baffling to me

[lethal condor]

It's mostly roadways

[vapid gorge]

eh, roads are ugly. generally too wide to look good. Natural paths are quite nice

[lethal condor]

You leave my railway alone!

[worn heath]

Just started tier 5/6. Is this a decent factory for stators, wiring, motors?

[vapid gorge]

skinny 😛

[vapid gorge]

seems fine? it's really entirely up to you and your goals

you could do Iron Wire and not need copper?

[ashen girder]

If anyone's curious, we got @sinful oasis all sorted. Turns out you need 3 pipes to move 1260 water, not 2 pipes. Added an exhaust pipe and it helped clean it up!

[sinful oasis]

I can't believe it was that simple

[lethal condor]

Mk2 pipes do in fact have a capacity of 600

[sinful oasis]

there's... a lot of numbers in this game I lose track of some of them sometimes lol

[scarlet sky]

Personally I wouldn't bother with making automated wiring in a basic parts factory, but that's more of a playstyle thing, all my project parts until phase 4 at least are temporary factories. I also don't think you need that many stators, they're not used in many things. You need a lot more motors than stators generally.

[ashen girder]

Especially with most things being belts and hitting 1200.

[worn heath]

I don't have this recipe yet.

[worn heath]

awesome thanks for the advice, that makes a lot of sense.

[scarlet sky]

This is what I did this game

Needs a couple of alts though

[worn heath]

yeah I only have cast screws and solid steel ingots rn

[prisma kraken]

rate mine:

[lethal condor]

desirepath/10

[scarlet sky]

For automated wiring I just set up an assembler or two and a few containers to feed it, and hoofed in all the ingredients

[lethal condor]

I call that the 'mystery box' method

Throw some stuff in a box, fancy stuff comes out the other end

[scarlet sky]

It has its merits

[prisma kraken]

i call that 'box factory'

quite often newly unlocked parts start getting made by one until i set up proper automation

[deft lichen]

Did someone figure out if you are even able to covert all the Plutonium waste Produced by a max nuclear Power build ?

[scarlet sky]

From what I've been reading, the answer is no, but I'm not sure yet

[vapid gorge]

yeah? it's complex but it works just fine

[deft lichen]

you sure you can even Produce that much singularity cells?

[scarlet sky]

No I think the question whether or not there are enough resources on the map, theoretically, to actually convert all the waste from a max plutonium build into ficsonium

[vapid gorge]

oh the plut waste, haven't bothered looking

[deft lichen]

yeah uranium waste ist not the problem

[scarlet sky]

So far the hive minds seems to be suggesting that it's more efficient to just mine, or transmute something into, more uranium than it is to close the loop

[deft lichen]

i think it was 30 Plutonium rods per minute at the end

[vapid gorge]

are you converting other resources to uranium or something?

[deft lichen]

no

still thinking about the best use of somersloops in the lane

[ashen girder]

Pretty sure you run out of SAM trying to convert all of it to Ficsonium.

Or maybe not. 😂 Now I can't remember.

[deft lichen]

i think I am out of anything else first

300 singularity cells per minute

= 30 pasta

600 dark matter crystal

theoratically half with somersloops

think I run out of Sam for the dark matter

[ashen girder]

You can make DMCs without ongoing SAM, there's positive feedback loops you can use that just require an initial infusion.

[deft lichen]

okay then its maybe possible with good use of somersloops

[deft lichen]

can you explain what loop you are referring to

[ashen girder]

So, like, power shards require 2 DMCs and produce 12 DMR. You can make 4 DMCs with 10 DMR.

Superposition Oscillator is 6 shards into 25 DMR, and 25 DMR can make 10 DMCs.

So each time you run one, you can wind up with more DMR/DMCs than you started with.

[deft lichen]

ah okay but i still need to input the rest of the stuff okay

[ashen girder]

Yeah, but the rest don't require SAM. 😉

So it's a way to reduce SAM in a factory.

Like everything else, it's a balancing act.

Dark Matter Trap is comparatively expensive as far as DMCs go.

0 diamonds is 10:1, 1 diamond is 5:1, 2 diamonds is 5:2.

[deft lichen]

yeah

scim taking ages to calculate 150 fisconium rods with all alt recepies

[vapid gorge]

sure tools then. scim is balls

[cursive heron]

I have an unused 600 uranium node, the intrusive thoughts are telling me to turn it into plutonium for drones for a truly nuclear society

[ashen girder]

dewwwit

Don't be a coward, Rai! Make your little flying friends radioactive!

[cursive heron]

whats the ratio for maximized plutonium rod output

to uranium waste

[cursive heron]

you need to manually enter the uranium waste, issue is maximizing plutonium rod output requires uranium so need to balance out uranium usage for both plut and uran

[deft lichen]

5:6

uranium used to make uranium fuel rods and converting it

with all the Alt recipies

yeah as I said you will get 30.53 Plutonium rods per minute (60 with sloops)

Website says you cannot turn it all into ficsoniom

because you run out of oil and Sam

[night pasture]

I found another undocumented cave location, contains 1 purple slug, and 1 summersloop. Has 3 tripple blue spitters, and two regular spiders. the first section is accessible while the back section where the summersloop is needs a nobelisk. there's also another way up in there but it's a bit tricky. Involves holding crouch while jet packing up through the hidden passage.

the entrance is at the player marker location, gonna get a second pic rq of the entrance

right at the crosshairs

this was also the last one I needed for the summer sloop steam achievement

[sand epoch]

What makes it undocumented?

[weary lotus]

what do i do with 1470 waste water

[buoyant fulcrum]

32.667 coal generators

[weary lotus]

god i love polluting the environment

[vapid gorge]

from aluminium? use it in the bauxite production

[weary lotus]

im too tired to figure out how to get it back into the thing i have spaghetti pipes

im making a second grid so extra power will be useful

the uranium peak isnt that far.. i could just.. make more nuclear..

[night pasture]

it's not listed on
https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#4.5;155755;-140272|realisticLayer|caves

there's also some caves over here that are not on the map either

don't go into one at the bottom of that crater unless you can deal with the nuclear hog in there. there's another cave about half way up that needs a noblisk to open also and extends to the other side

that one is safe-ish. just a large spider

[deft lichen]

pakage it and sink it ...
put it back in the loop...
pure ingots....
wet conrete...
sooooo much

[scarlet sky]

Yep I just got done in by a surprise nuke hog

[cursive heron]

free real estate for my 108/min plutonium waste

[cinder silo]

Sorry about my proper slow response, for some reason, Aeronautical engineering unlocked it even though its listed elsewhere.

[prisma kraken]

yeah, i figured that out, its kind of annoying though in that it krimps your ability to make mk3 miners early

[cinder silo]

Had me stumped for a time, after hunting through reddit I finally found out why and got around it.

[prisma kraken]

i was actually happy that it wasn't intentionally blocked all the way until teir 9, which is something i could see as a 'no you actually have to build a factory to do this'

[sand epoch]

Has scim always been covered in ads and popup watch my vids.. or is that new?

Wondering if my ad blocker has been doing wonders for years now.

[cinder silo]

Ads on scim, oh wait, ublock origin.

[prisma kraken]

if anyone knows the site maintainer, mention that the ads displayed are bordering on abusive

i've gotten a few of those 'your pc is infected' popups on there

[sand epoch]

Dont have a blocker on tablet had was told i had to watch a video just to keep using the site. Lmao

[night pasture]

I use two blockers on chrome
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ublock-origin/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/adblock-plus-free-ad-bloc/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb
using both in tandem seems to solve a lot of issues with instrusive ads

[sand epoch]

Hows the 1.0 refit going? Or did you decide to start over?

[cinder silo]

I started a new save as a priority, I'll go back and fix my old world as a side project.

[sand epoch]

New still underground?

[cinder silo]

Not yet, the basics only need temp surface installations, and the underworld was primarilly logiistics.

[sand epoch]

Noticed the new kill boarder has my nuc plant cut off now.. not looking forward to trying to fix that

[worn heath]

Are the numbers at satisfactory-calculator ever wrong?

[sand epoch]

No clue. Never use its planner, too chaotic

[vapid gorge]

terrible planner

[worn heath]

What do y'all use?

[sand epoch]

Tools

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[prisma kraken]

the numbers listed there for smelters look very strange... 3.7 smelters to process 120 copper doesn't seem right unless there's some overclocking going on

[worn heath]

It's the same in the other calc as well, and my bottleneck is unrelated to the copper. It's the steel pipes.

[cursive heron]

why is it a bottleneck

[prisma kraken]

yeah, well, something that may help is that mk3 belts have 270 capacity instead of 240, you're leaving 30 iron and coal on the table

[worn heath]

Hard to say. I've currently flooded the system with pipe so I'm seeing if it could stabilize.

Is there is potential issue feeding a manifold into 2 assemblers and then a storage container? Like if it overfeeds the storage container could the assemblers get constrained? That would also explain the issue I'm facing.

[lime wadi]

You're barely utilizing your coal, and maybe 75% of your iron.

There's definitely room for more steel pipes if that's your problem. Need more iron to spare? Switch to steel rotors.

[vapid gorge]

if you don't use a smart splitter? yes it won't balance out until storage is done

[gray peak]

ms paint

[worn heath]

even if it's last in the manifold?

[vapid gorge]

well yeah

[worn heath]

I know I can increase the steel pipes, but I shouldn't have too according to calcs. I think there's something else I'm misunderstanding.

[vapid gorge]

you need a smart splitter set to overflow

[worn heath]

why? Don't manifolds try to fill the first exit first?

[vapid gorge]

yeah but if the last split is going machine and storage then it'll split half to machine and half to storage. If that half isn't enough for hte machine the machine will starve

[lime wadi]

Smart splitter on the end of the manifold is always a reasonable failsafe in case you end up stealing from it later

[worn heath]

I haven't unlocked smart splitters yet

[vapid gorge]

best get to it, they are very useful

research all your MAM stuff asap tbh

[lime wadi]

I also recommend one at the start of the manifold that puts Any Undefined aside, so you don't have to delete a whole manifold when you inevitably screw up

[worn heath]

I'm confused on if the exit is machine, machine, storage then storage must be filled first.

I'm just gonna loop storage to the start of the manifold lol

[vapid gorge]

do not loop belt manifolds

https://tenor.com/view/headache-başağrısı-stressed-stress-gif-20156502

just stick a smart splitter at the end

[lime wadi]

Just know that if storage isn't full, your machines will be starved. That can cause cascading effects later on. Usually people dedicate a line to storage specifically so that this doesn't happen. Especially important if you end up building say, nuclear, way down the line.

[worn heath]

I know. I'll replace it with smart splitters when I get them.

[vapid gorge]

just never loop belt manifolds

it'll end in tears

[worn heath]

Dedicate a line to storage

Like keeping the entire line separate of the manifold?

[lime wadi]

Looping the manifold to the beginning will not change the amount going into the machine vs storage. You will split the belt three ways, put a third in each, and loop the last third back. That third gets split into three ninths, and so on. In the end it approaches the original 50/50 split you started with.

This is touching a bit on load balancing, which is a different way to do logistics. Blending load balancing and manifolds doesn't happen terribly often outside of sushi belts.

[worn heath]

looping the manifold to the beginning will not change the amount going into the machine

I guess it's just too late for me because it seems to have clearly changed. Both my assemblers are fully saturated versus not before the loop.

[vapid gorge]

gl with your satisfactory life

[lime wadi]

It's hard to tell what you're specifically talking about without screenshots

[worn heath]

I've already said I'll change it, this is a temporary bandage while I go get smart splitters.

[lime wadi]

Smart splitters are manifold's best friend.

With the power of mixing load balancing and manifolds, maybe you too, can become a sushi chef

[golden grove]

this section of rails is giving me trouble. the P with the x is giving a conflicting entry signal types error
isn't it supposed to be "Path before splits, Block after merges"?

[lime wadi]

Think of it as Path into any intersection, Block leaving it

[lime wadi]

For the bidirectional one you also need a Path to ensure you don't trap a train in it

Path both directions.

[golden grove]

oops. the left lane is supposed to be going down lol. it's right-hand traffic

[lime wadi]

oh, my bad

[upper arrow]

is there a possibility to just "nuke everything off the map"?
like lets say you reached mk3 miner and mk6 belts and you wanna redo everything with said items but that means having to nuke stuff
or on other milestones like mk2 miner and mk4 belts
i know there is mass deletion up to 50 items

[scarlet sky]

Actually the path signals here don't really add any benefit, I would simply change them all to block signals

[lime wadi]

No, path signals are good for the main line. If two trains are approaching the intersection from opposite directions, they will be able to pass each other through the intersection simultaneously, preventing unnecessary slow downs

[scarlet sky]

ohh yea I see it now

[lime wadi]

It would also allow a train traveling north to go at the same time as a south traveling train turning west.

So paths are very good here

[gleaming shuttle]

yeah, if one direction on the line is low-traffic then block signals can be acceptable here

but path signals scale better on any decently-trafficed intersection

the downside to path signals is that they force trains to slow down in the preceding block, but the upside is they allow multiple trains to go through the block at once

hence reducing total numbers of stops if theres lots of traffic

if theres very little traffic then its possible for blocks to be better than paths even on weird intersections like this

[golden grove]

wait, I'm an idiot. the train going down will never go to the left

[gleaming shuttle]

but i'd "default" to paths if you dont know what youre doing

[gleaming shuttle]

ideally youd get rid of the intersection entirely and have the slipline go over/under the other line

[lime wadi]

The layout doesn't change. Put some blocks parallel to the paths facing the appropriate direction :)

[gleaming shuttle]

but if you have to have the intersection this signalling is fine, just place block signals to end the block

[scarlet sky]

You mean to the left of the page but the train will never turn right?

[lime wadi]

Yes

[scarlet sky]

Generally the "confilicting entry signal types" is because there's another way into the block preceded by a path signal that you're missing somewhere - or the game bugged out and connected tracks that shouldn't be connects, which happens. Deleting and rebuilding the tracks can help there.

[golden grove]

no space. the gap between tracks is only 1 foundation. and I wanna get this project over with already, it's taken so much time, lemme move on lol

[golden grove]

ye lol

ok this is giving no erros. idk how safe it is for the trains

[lime wadi]

Redesigning intersections can always happen later, don't worry :) see how this works out with the path signals and you should be fine.

Also, path signals always default to the red x until a train actually approaches.

[lime wadi]

This is because path signals actually reserve a specific path through a block and checks if it intersects with another reserved path. If not, it flips green.

[golden grove]

that turn switch I wanna hide it what is it for anyway

[scarlet sky]

Yeah, you basically didn't "close" the block created by the path signals. It was probably complaining about multiple entries to the block on the top right, going up

[golden grove]

yea but earlier it was the yellow warning

[lime wadi]

That looks functional to me. Put a test train on autopilot through and see if it works ^^

[golden grove]

havent played factorio in months but my brain is still somehow in factorio train signaling mode

[lime wadi]

Both games have rather similar signaling tbh

[mossy trail]

HI guys. So, you need to use a storage container buffer with trains. What about drones? Do they need a buffer too?

[lime wadi]

It just comes down to how the pathfinding works really

[vast jungle]

Satisfactory path signals are a bit more complex compared to Factorio... that saves a ton of signals in intersections

[gleaming shuttle]

the main limitation of satisfactory relative to factorio is that trains are "dumb" and always take the shortest path

(though stations count for a bit of extra length)

[cursive heron]

no, they don't pause when loading unloading

[vast jungle]

factorio trains can also be very dumb...

[gleaming shuttle]

yeah but in a different way

e.g. factorio paths get deprioritized if they have a nearby train on them

so slip paths/passing lanes/etc can actually get used

in satisfactory, a train will always pick the shortest path ignoring everything else

(again, except they count stations a bit more than regular rail)

[remote ice]

hmm, can you blueprint water extractors somehow?

[cursive heron]

200 shy of a TW

[vast jungle]

Factorio had train signals longer than Satisfactory, so we can hope for upgrades in a DLC or v2.0 😄

[cursive heron]

I wish

[remote ice]

🤔 what if i put the blueprint creator underwater

[gleaming shuttle]

yeah, the train stuff that currently exists is "sufficient" but it would be nice to have a couple more fancy features

i just like playing around with trains

and satisfactory's world is so well-crafted that it feels like a perfect sandbox for a nice train system

factorio trains will never be as satisfying just because theyre moving around a flat grey map

[verbal lake]

getting somewhere

[vast jungle]

or maybe a thin layer of foundations just above/at the water

[verbal lake]

just deep enough to let it let you place one maybe, i know ppl have placed em on foundies underwater

[verbal lake]

there's just a hard no for that entity in a bp designer

😆

[lime wadi]

Behold. MJ per ore mined equation.

Example: a Miner Mk. 2 on a Normal node at 100% clock speed spends 7.5 MJ mining a single ore.

[remote ice]

i tried it, and you also cannot place the water extractor first and then put the blueprint designer over it

[prisma kraken]

it also has a hitbox that can't overlap one of a bp, really annoying

[remote ice]

well, maybe there's a glitch out there that'll let you overlap buildings

[tired quartz]

its been so long since i played this game lol, just got my first hard drive but im not sure what recipe to take.

5 ingot for 20 screws or 10 plates and 20 coper wire for 3 reinforced plates.

i feel like the reinforced plate is better but thats just because im not using half my copper for anything yet

[prisma kraken]

like i bp'd a simple concrete dock to place an extractor in, and couldn't place an extractor down

[lime wadi]

If you're not sure, wait, save it in your hard drive library. You don't have to choose immediately anymore.

[tender nest]

how do i do this

[lime wadi]

Making a hard drive stash increases your chances of finding alt recipes you want. Picking puts the other one back in the pool, so only pick when you're confident you're going to use it.

[verbal lake]

I guess that's what mods are for

[prisma kraken]

they're both good, cast screw works really well with base rotor and stitched plate is quite an upgrade to the base rip recipe, especially since you're not using wire for much yet

[lime wadi]

You set the clock speed to 33.3333%. You can unlock this by researching Power Slugs in the MAM.

[vast jungle]

its just a Refinery at 1/3 output speed, rounded to 4 digits...
1/3 * 100% = 33.3333333333.....

[prisma kraken]

you know, titan forest got a heckuva lot more trecherous

[lime wadi]

Sure did. More lizard doggie though.

[prisma kraken]

i haven't seen the doggos, spend too much time in the air 😛

there's always been a doggo pool there though

in any event, i kind of wish they had went a little lighter on the cliff hogs and nuke hogs

[lime wadi]

My titan forest is about to get very loud.

[prisma kraken]

its not that i find them hard, it's just that it takes forever to kill packs of them

cool junction

[lime wadi]

Need to fix it up a bit and get more computies for signals. Problem is I have no coal or oil power in this save yet.

[verbal lake]

would be nice to have a weapon that actually feels like it does dmg

[river night]

I hope the tree collision boxes are better now then they used to be, i had some trouble building that close to the titan trees in the past 😄

[lime wadi]

They are much better.

[fierce ruin]

if i have a mk3 miner pumping out 1200 a minute but only got mk5 belts

[lime wadi]

They even tucked goodies away in the treetops

[fierce ruin]

is there any way to make it so it doesnt get backed up

[lime wadi]

Guess you're underclocking to 780 ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[fierce ruin]

i feel like theres a way just dont remember how

[lime wadi]

The way is mk 6 belts

Or only over clocking to 780

[vast jungle]

you mean not overclocking too much ^^

mk6 belts sound cool... and EXPENSIVE

[lime wadi]

Of course you can still build things in preparation for being 1200 later.

You'll just have to underclock things to 65% for the time being, most likely

[tired quartz]

will i perminantly lose access to the other recipe or is there enough hard drives to unlock everything eventually?

[vast jungle]

yes... design for two input belts, each with 600/min and then you can upgrade easily later... just with a short MK6 and a splitter

[vast jungle]

there are more than enough HDs for everything

[remote ice]

surprisingly, not all that expensive

[lime wadi]

Or if you were fully over clocking your production machines too, 162.5% works

[vast jungle]

MK6 just a time-crystal each... thats LOTS of coal

[lime wadi]

Only works if you have another node available though.

[tender nest]

norway
(no way)

[vast jungle]

you could easily run your factory with 2x 390 until you get the MK6

[remote ice]

i hooked it up to a pure oil node with the alt recipe that uses oil directly, its been way more than enough for all my building needs so far

[lime wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/meonly-gif-19710542

[remote ice]

its a fairly large amount of resources, sure, but the production chain is so short that you can basically just plug it into a single pure node and you're golden

[lime wadi]

Do.. do you mean 600 until mk 6 or 390 until mk 5?

[vast jungle]

MK5 is 780... if you design your factory for 2x600, one or both of the belts will be short of items... easiest way is to evenly split the 780/min (you can get with a MK5) until you get the MK6

you could also just design your factory for 600/min input... and double it when you get the MK6

[tired quartz]

also not sure if this is the place to ask this, but im currently using a program called DIA to make flow charts and track resource usage. im using the satisfactory tools pinned to help plan production then adding the production to the chart. i like the chart i have better than just keeping everything in the pinned tool because i can see how much extra of everything i have on hand.

i was wondering if anyone knows of a similar softwar that would allow me to set up like this but have some way of automaticaly deducting values from the parent in the tree so i didnt have to do it manually every time.

[lime wadi]

I just pretend that:

• mk 1 - 24/min
• mk 2 - 48/min
• mk 3 - 108/min
• mk 4 - 192/min
• mk 5 - 312/min
• mk 6 - 480/min
  And build everything at 100% clock speed. Then whenever I want more, I can overclock everything the same amount and it just works.

I just care about my frame rate more than a 85% power tax

Which is so easily offset by the sloopies now

To be fair I am doing a goofy run of the game where I don't underclock. I always build at ratios. And load balancing only.

It's been rather satisfying having belts that constantly move and don't start-stop, actually.

Only real place this goofs me is with steel screws before mk 5 belts.

[fierce ruin]

framerate is overrated

[vast jungle]

as long as it is double-digit per second

[fierce ruin]

yeah 10 frames is the optimal

[lime wadi]

My little "gaming" laptop hates you all

[fierce ruin]

just look at let's game it out, he plays it fine

[lime wadi]

Can't open anyone's saves

[vast jungle]

I played SF for more than a year without a dedicated GPU (AMD APU 4650G)... that was... hard

[tender nest]

im using intel intergrated graphics

also

[prisma kraken]

all recipes can be unlocked, there's a few more hd's on the map than there are recipes

[prisma kraken]

i'm actually starting to follow this sort of mindset - not quite how you're going about it, but building for 480 knowing that that can turn into 1200

[lime wadi]

Yeah that's basically what I do. When dealing with fluids, I'll put no more than 120 in a mk 1 and 240 in a mk 2 as well. So when I overclock everything, I don't need to replace anything.

It's just how I future proof things without building hundreds of machines.

[prisma kraken]

fluids i generally just build to their ultimate size

[lime wadi]

I accept a small power tax for the convenience

[frosty owl]

[lime wadi]

Which the total power tax for over clocking to 250% is only about 86%

-# it's technically 2.5^log_2(2.5) - 2.5, an irrational and ugly number

[prisma kraken]

yeah, a lot of older players kind of have burn-in from OC'ing being more expensive than it is now

[frosty owl]

Didn't a full overclocked machine cobsume less than 1.5x what 2.5 machines would?

[lime wadi]

And with alien power augmenters being a thing now it's not difficult to offset now

[prisma kraken]

btw the augmenters and rocket fuel, yeah

[frosty owl]

I'm doing one where I don't use more than 1 input slot for solids on each machine (eg: feed a manufacturer/Assembler/Foundry via one input)

[prisma kraken]

the augmenters are more a mid-game thing

i'm using them as a crutch atm to avoid building fuel and working off 12gw of coal and some geotherm

5 apa's supplementing that is pretty bonkers

like that's just my intro coal plant and 4-5 geotherm gennies

[fierce ruin]

time to consume my life for the next month

[lime wadi]

Comparing situation a (fully overclocked to 250% constructor) to situation b (three constructors at 83.3333%). You use 42% more power for the same output, but in far less space. The cost is 4 additional MW, which would be like having another constructor @ 100% basically.

An example with cleaner numbers is situation a with two 250% constructors, vs situation b with five 100% constructors. The power tax is down to 34%, or 6.8 MW. It's really not that bad to overclock things and save space, as long as you're willing to pay a lot of little taxes that add up.

[vast jungle]

Blueprints are your friend 😉

[fierce ruin]

i dont have any blueprints for this

[vast jungle]

but you can make one... trim down the build to something very small... e.g. 1 Aluminium Scrap, 2 Aluminium Solution, 4 Aluminium Ingot (and the necessary constructors for the Silica) and try to BP this... if this works, you only have to set and hookup the BP 50-51 times

three Refineries and 4 Foundries could fit into a MK3 Blueprint

[fierce ruin]

im not sure what you mean

i only have mk2

im doing this tier 8

[vast jungle]

if you look at the numbers for the three main components of the build, its 51 times the same thing...

so instead of designing a HUGE factory, design something that solves 1/51 of the problem

if you get this into a 6x6 foundation grid (48m high), you can BP it later and then scaling up will be much easier

[fierce ruin]

never really blueprinted machines

done modular stuff

[vast jungle]

if you don't want you don't need to... but it could save a LOT of time

[fierce ruin]

that helps visualize it alot better thank you

i couldnt visualize what you meant

wait

if it is requiring water from the scrap then doesnt that mean the system wont start up very well?

[cursive heron]

power consumption of an overlocked machine is ~44% more compared to the same amount of machines clocked evenly to produce the same output

ex 3 smelters at 83.33% clock producing 25 ingots each is 3.1MW each (9.3MW)
1 smelter at 250% producing 75 ingots is 13.4MW

[vapid gorge]

it just takes time to spin up if you use teh waste water

[fierce ruin]

ah alright

[vapid gorge]

my prefered method is to make some of the refineries just run on waste water. It's the most stable option

examples

[vast jungle]

it will start up slower and then finally get up to speed

[fierce ruin]

idk how to build this blueprint

[vast jungle]

but the small diagramm gives you an idea how much resources each "block" needs and what it outputs

[fierce ruin]

idek if it is possible with the mk2

mk2 blueprint thing

[vast jungle]

most likely you will need the MK3... you could try to build it within 6x6 foundations... if you manage it, you can later BP it with the MK3

[vapid gorge]

build the refinery blueprint for alum? I mean you probably can if you overclock the crap out of it

[fierce ruin]

mk3 aint till tier 9 aint it

[vapid gorge]

easier to do by hand though

[vast jungle]

or underclock to get down to less Refineries

the top left diagramm should work with 3 Refineries...

one set to 100%, one set to 66% and one set to 33%

[frosty owl]

So less than half more! :D

[nova steppe]

||What's the best alt recipe for making diamonds?||

[fierce ruin]

even by overclocking, this is a struggle

also put the foundries backwards

[vast jungle]

diamonds are expensive... so its more a question what resources you have plenty... and how many diamonds you need.

if its just for belts, you could easily grab a pure coal node and turn all of it into diamonds

[vast jungle]

don't forget SF is 3D, you can put in a multiple floors into a BP

[vapid gorge]

it looks like you're merging fresh and waste water?

[fierce ruin]

yuh

[vapid gorge]

that's the exact opposite of the diagrams shared

[vast jungle]

merging fresh and waste water is dangerous at best...

[fierce ruin]

just a slow start up aint it?

[vast jungle]

because the fresh water will fill up the buffers and then the waste water has nowhere to go

[vapid gorge]

no it'll clog the whole thing

[nova steppe]

I need like 1120 diamonds / min

[fierce ruin]

well if im using the exact amount of water im producing and dont start the water extractors until everything is set up

[vapid gorge]

no that's not the issue, fluid is bi directional

[fierce ruin]

then buffers would allow time for everything to kick on

my pipes should be under half full when it starts up intially

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH

i see

yknow what

i think im gonna do this no blueprint

because this is hurting my head

[vast jungle]

if you use coal, you just need 22400 coal/min 😉

a little bit more than half the coal of the whole map

[fierce ruin]

god damn

thats alot

[nova steppe]

haha, yeah I also did some calculations. Making the ionized fuel for actual generators, May cost me more power than it will gain for me

[vast jungle]

🙂

[nova steppe]

yep...

[vast jungle]

the production complex will be the easy part of this project 😉

[fierce ruin]

last i heard

rocket fuel was more resource efficient

and better power wise

because ionized is so power hungry

[nova steppe]

Yep

I will just package some rocket fuel to turn into ionized, for jetpack & completionist purposes

[fierce ruin]

yup

jetpack go brrrrrrrrr

[cursive heron]

shards being renewable and energy being dirt cheap there's really no reason not to overclock

[fierce ruin]

power is very time consuming

not cheap

[vast jungle]

BP creation is a puzzle game... finding a good configuration with limited space can be hard
even harder if you need to split into multipe BPs that work together

[fierce ruin]

i never mess with bps exempt like train stuff

i like my big long lines of machines

[cursive heron]

took me less than an hour to setup 900 rocket fuel in blue crater for 54GW including piping and belts

using nitro recipe

would've been faster if I had the mk3 blueprint to put down more piped/wired gens per click

only actual time consuming power production is nuclear

[fierce ruin]

you can get 500+ GW out of blue crater with rocket fuel

[vapid gorge]

too many fuel gens just do nuclear

[cursive heron]

exactly, its not that difficult

or time consuming with the right blueprints

[cursive heron]

I did, just saying it would've taken dramatically less time to maximize rocket fuel in blue crater than setup nuclear

and yes everything is overclocked

[vapid gorge]

I don't see how that's at all a counter argument to 'too many fucking fuel gens'

[fierce ruin]

if you overclock every fuel gen to maximize blue crater then it is still like 280+ instead of 2k+

[cursive heron]

that the overwhelming amount of fuel gens would've still taken less time

for the same amount of power

power is cheapo

[fierce ruin]

maximizing blue crater is enough power to never have to worry about it again

especially with rocket fuel

[cursive heron]

cheap and easy, no reason not OC everything

[vast jungle]

and I think you can put 4 Fuel Generators into a MK3 BP... so setting 300 Fuel generators is "just" 75 Blueprints 😉

[fierce ruin]

blue crater^

oh

wait wrong ss

[cursive heron]

dont think bluecrater has 6k sulfur

[fierce ruin]

there ye go

[cursive heron]

I mean atleast not counting the one going towards swamp

[fierce ruin]

it is maximizing the crude oil output of blue crater

not limited on any other resources

[cursive heron]

are we including the resources between crater and swamp or just crater

the biggest bottleneck for absolutely going ham for power in crater is sulfur and nitrogen

[remote ice]

oh wow, rocket fuel really takes quite a lot of nitrogen doesn't it?

[fierce ruin]

i think swamp too

[cursive heron]

specifically crater only resources is 2100 sulfur and 1500 nitrogen

[fierce ruin]

the piece of the map someone showed me while we were doing this was pretty chunky

[cursive heron]

2550 crude oil

even if we add the resources in the connection between swamp and crater it adds to 3300 sulfur

[prisma kraken]

for anyone mystified by aluminum, this is a design that works pretty well:

[fierce ruin]

what if

i just make a conga line of refineries

[cursive heron]

crater also isn't the only place prime for rocket fuel

ignore the blop of radioactivity

[remote ice]

or consider this

instant scrap

[fierce ruin]

thats where our plastic and rubber refineries are

[prisma kraken]

gold coast is pretty prime as well

[fierce ruin]

i planning to build this aluminum factory over the ocean

just working on unlocking stuff for it

[cursive heron]

I've yet to come with any need for hyper massive rubber/plastic tbh even considering ratioed space parts and using rubber/plastic where I can. Oil nodes far west can already output 1800 rubber/plastic

like thats more than enough

[fierce ruin]

yeah we aren't exploiting that entire area

[cursive heron]

maybe if I use rubber concrete or something

[fierce ruin]

just part of it

[cursive heron]

spire coast is more like diamond coast

[prisma kraken]

what i like to do with oil, once you understand how to modify the basic 300->900 design is instead of doing 300->900, do 300->what i need for another factory, then burn the rest of the fuel

[fierce ruin]

hey im at spire coast

building an aluminum factory on the ocean rn

[sleek mantle]

i usually build mine at the north west corner on the ocean. train in bauxite.

[fierce ruin]

im training in everything

[prisma kraken]

i'm doing my first small alum build at the nodes in titan forest and moving coal from blue crater in a tractor for the time being

[cursive heron]

im droning everything

[prisma kraken]

i'm looking forward to playing with rocket fuel in them and seeing if i can move 600 ore/min with 2 drones

[fierce ruin]

we currently dont have ANY aluminum production

everything aluminum on the server was bought with tickets

[cursive heron]

doable

[fierce ruin]

server constantly runs so i set up everything to run into sinks for a long time

[prisma kraken]

in u8 with batteries, it was on the hairy edge

[cursive heron]

depends on distance

I have one at 2.3km distance and drones on both ends (recieve and supply ports), its transfering 6.02 stacks/min

[prisma kraken]

tbh, with how the sulfur nodes in dangle spires moved location, i think it probably is possible to get sulfur or compacted coal to the gold coast oil with 2 drones now

[cursive heron]

its just one port on the node and one port at base

beyond 3km is like 2.x stacks /minute

[prisma kraken]

if memory serves me correctly, i was topping out at like 220/min

[nova steppe]

Any failsaves I should implement here? Cuz I know recycling water in Aluminium Circuits can cause issues

I can also send the link to the schematic

[prisma kraken]

build it in modules that process 600 bauxite

[nova steppe]

So the Sloppy alumina at the top?

[fierce ruin]

yknow i just realized that my world doesnt even produce heavy modular frames and im working on aluminum

[nova steppe]

And what kind of failsafe would I build? Like a pipe overflow into wet concrete? and a priority switch for all the outputs?

Some heavy piping mechanics

[prisma kraken]

just build it right and never let it pause

[fierce ruin]

could always package and sink it if you dont want to go down another chain for another resource

[nova steppe]

Haha, I KNOW im gonna miss a belt somewhere

[fierce ruin]

can you sink packaged water?

[nova steppe]

ye

[fierce ruin]

cool

[prisma kraken]

i.e. toss an overflow sink after scrap and after ingots

[nova steppe]

alright

[prisma kraken]

if you need to deal with wastewater some other way than recycling it, use coal generators

[nova steppe]

Fair, I do have petroleum coke byproduct

[prisma kraken]

wet concrete isn't a bad idea either, but limestone isn't always near bauxite

[fierce ruin]

if you are trainning everything in then it doesnt hurt to also bring in limestone

[nova steppe]

So like this

[prisma kraken]

coal however is always nearby, and there's coke if you're using electro

[prisma kraken]

you'd have to math out the coke & water if you do that, probably easier just to tap coal

[fierce ruin]

i can't fit a fifth and i need 205 foundries

im sad

[nova steppe]

Thanks, I'd like to try it like this but I will keep a coal belt on standby if it all goes to shit

[nova steppe]

You can have foundry's fit in a 2-wide foundation

[fierce ruin]

i honestly have NO CLUE how im gonna make this

[nova steppe]

Not home rn but I can send you the bp when im home

[fierce ruin]

im gonna be inputting 12.3k bauxite

with mk5 belts

[nova steppe]

Jeebus, big plans

[fierce ruin]

yup

[nova steppe]

If you use elevators on the splitters and have the belts loop back with a merger in the middle it can be a little compacter

lemme sketch it out for you

[fierce ruin]

i need to figure out how many foundries a mk5 belt can support

[eager solar]

Can't you mirror your layout and have 8 fit?

[fierce ruin]

only 13

[fierce ruin]

yeah i plan too

just i need 205 so i'll have to be careful

[nova steppe]

This makes sense?

[fierce ruin]

nope

[nova steppe]

And then you have three layers, bottom one splitter, middle one mergers, top one splitters

elevate them down on the top ones

[fierce ruin]

a mk5 belt can only support 13 foundries

im gonna be sad

[nova steppe]

and merge through the middle

[eager solar]

You could also make a separate building and use floors

[fierce ruin]

i need a blueprint using 13 foundries with one input

[nova steppe]

Ah hmmm, 3 lines of 4 and then make modules of 12

for compactness

[fierce ruin]

are you saying i loop the mergers back into the 2 conveyor bus

and have 3 conveyors

[nova steppe]

think so yeah

[fierce ruin]

i dont think i can fit that into my mk2 blueprint thingo

im very limited by this thing

[nova steppe]

side view will look like this

[cursive heron]

I always add an extra machine and over underclock them if it turns into an odd number

[fierce ruin]

problem is space

i could design it like that but have to go back and hook the output back in manually

[cursive heron]

still alot less work than hooking everything individually tbh

[fierce ruin]

yeah

[vapid gorge]

just have a set of refineries that only run off waste water, unbreakable

[fierce ruin]

that extra material would clog the conveyor

mk5 conveyors can only support 13 foundries

thats 780 being pumped into the conveyor already

[cursive heron]

I meant 14 and then underclock them

[fierce ruin]

ah

[cursive heron]

so its still 780 but it doesn't look like you have teeth missing on one side

[void shell]

If X is the total amount of items needed for project assembly, what does most of you decide to have as your X%/min to finish for the later phases? I have no real clue what is actually too much or too little in the end. I am afraid I aim too high and overbuild. Is 1/100 of total needed reasonable? Then each thing would tick for 1/100 of X/min for 100 minutes?

[cursive heron]

most of my prints are adjust to either 600 or 1200 belts

8 fully overclocked solid steel outputs 1200

a very nice number

[cursive heron]

whatever you're willing to wait for

one machine outputting xyz at 100% eff is more than enough in most scenarios

[fierce ruin]

@nova steppe like this?

[cursive heron]

if you want an end end build, ratio it based on the amount of parts needed

[void shell]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, I aim mainly to finish the quest for my first goal, then I'll see if I go bigger base for some end game goal

[cursive heron]

if you're hyperminmaxing tickets, turn everything into ballistic missile

[void shell]

Yeah, well see where we go with that, that might be a very concrete item for end game goal. Good tip!

[nova steppe]

No, you put a splitter at each input, one input gets base height and the other one 3 high (standard elevator height). Then through the middle you run a merger. I cant really help you rn other then explaining it but thas about how it works

[void shell]

I want to do some megabase shenanigans but knowing myself I know I'll start to think about that before even finishing my first goal and not doing anything at all 😅

[fierce ruin]

oh

what i have rn but the things arent stacked on each other

[nova steppe]

holdon i might have a better sketch for oyu

[fierce ruin]

is this connected???

i cant get a conveyor in there to place

[cursive heron]

if you hear the snap sfx yes

[fierce ruin]

uh

[cursive heron]

if you want to make sure just delete the conveyer and place it again

[nova steppe]

@fierce ruin

and yeah they should be connected

[cursive heron]

you can do something like this

[nova steppe]

Yep, same principal

Even more space efficient

damn, nice one

[nova steppe]

damn mk6's look so juicy

[worn trout]

when i get mk6 i might be forced to build in aperture science colours

[fierce ruin]

im struggling

[cursive heron]

you can do the same logic with smelters/constructors

[fierce ruin]

i did it

[verbal lake]

being able to pick the color is clutch

[cursive heron]

I wish we could swap skins for mk belts, mk6 is a bit too futuristic looking that I had to swap color palletes

[fierce ruin]

how do you get rid of blueprints

i had to rename these

idk what i would need to underclock 14 foundries to in order to get an output of 780\

[wind spade]

How much does one make?

[fierce ruin]

60 per minute

[river night]

wouldnt it be easier to just use 13, because that makes 780 without changes

[wind spade]

Or clock two to 50% if you want 14

[fierce ruin]

13 makes things more difficult

also i decided to do 41 rows of 5 in groups of 10 with the last 5 being without a second set

[pulsar parcel]

i have decided that i need more power, 218GW sounds about right

[unborn ermine]

I miss one of my old worlds, I had a nice tileable and stackable foundry setup using frames and I cant find the old save.

[fierce ruin]

the factory speaks to me

[worn trout]

im gonna kms the geothermal gen is in the way of my refineries

geothermal isnt important right?

[wind spade]

I mean it's a free power that can't crash, can be useful

[cursive heron]

I mean its a nice decorative

at the very least

put it in a glass box

[fierce ruin]

is sloppy alumina better than normal alumina??

[wind spade]

depends what do you mean by "better" 🙂

[fierce ruin]

idk

[unborn ermine]

If you one or two augmenters, geo can be a nice touch of power when you are setting up new factories.

[fierce ruin]

OHHHH sloppy alumina doesnt make silica

[upbeat tide]

What have I done to myself? Planned a rocket fuel plant. Gonna make 2000/min at end. Gonna need 192 fuel reactors at 250%.

[upbeat tide]

Its best to combine sloppy with electrode scrap and pure aluminum ingot. Thus removing silica from the entire system.

[fierce ruin]

dont got all that

plus pretty sure thatd mean more machines

already making a ton

[torn plaza]

the default liquid alumina produces silica; default aluminium ingot consumes silica, but more than alumina makes, so you must supply silica somehow.

sloppy alumina makes no silica, and pure aluminium ingot needs no silica; the amount of aluminium ingots you get is lower, but you cut out silica completely.

another way of looking at it, you can use the default recipes to boost your aluminium production at the cost of adding silica

[upbeat tide]

My plan is to get enough sloops to boost aluminum scrap priduction via electrode scrap. Seems to make most sense to do it there instead of pure aluminum stage. For my plans anyway

[fierce ruin]

should probably save your sloops

[torn plaza]

sloops are highly limited, use them to boost end products like cooling devices

[fierce ruin]

for other things

i am building a maximized aluminum facility, inputting 12.3k bauxite

[torn plaza]

using them to make more aluminium scrap is a waste

[fierce ruin]

outputting 12.3k ignots

[torn plaza]

are you trying to become airbus

[upbeat tide]

Yup done that before

[fierce ruin]

just got the foundries all placed and connected

all 205

[upbeat tide]

Ah your doing straight up default

My old U8 aluminum foundry layout. The smelters were on two floors

[astral warren]

No alt recipes?

[fierce ruin]

yup

[upbeat tide]

But current goal is to get power up to snuff. 2k rocket furl using 900 oil, 600 sulfur, and 600 nitro will do the job nicely

[urban kite]

im making 10,800 rf 🙂 i think

[fierce ruin]

foundries galore

[astral warren]

Glhf with managing the byproduct water 🫡

[fierce ruin]

part of this system will be only running off of waste water

[upbeat tide]

Fine concrete and or coal power is glory for that

[astral warren]

I ended up just using VIP junctions for mine after rebuilding it a good 3 or so times, hasn’t backed up again so far but I’m still paranoid that it will eventually xd

[fierce ruin]

i just aint sure how to build backwards from the foundries because the math is going to be awful

each set of foundries needs 900 scrap per minute

split into 20.5 groups

[astral warren]

I think I have a similar foundry setup as you actually

Except they’re max overclocked so i only need 5 or so per group and I don’t have as many groups

[swift robin]

so i made a truck deliver both plastic and rubber to my main base area and i was expecting to encounter problems doing 2 resources in one truck, but i make sure that the unload station is always unloaded ASAP and any overfill goes to a sink. so far it's been working fine and i automated modular engines with it. should i be worried it's going to break still?

[urban kite]

i would check the loading station. As long as that one doesnt back up and its handling the full throughput, it should be fine.

[astral warren]

I reckon if you use one output for plastic and one for rubber, and your truck station can handle the throughput, you should be ok

[swift robin]

ah yes i may have neglected the loading station. i'll take another look at that part

it's a starter factory only making 133 plastic/rubber so no throughput problems

[golden thunder]

in the satisfactorytools, is there a way to make the site calculate overclocking?

[astral warren]

I don’t think ST supports it but some other sites might

[fierce ruin]

3 refineries underlocked to 83.3333% worked for a group of ten foundries

[deft lichen]

Well it already shows the total percentage

[astral warren]

I still find ST to have the most intuitive UI out of them all so I just manually do the math for overclocking

[deft lichen]

5x constructors = 5x100% = 2x250%

It doesn't do the math for you because it can't know what you want

Not like it's difficult anyway

[vernal swallow]

Is it a program to make those blueprints? If yes name pls

[vast jungle]

most recipes are a tradeoff... e.g. "more resource efficient" vs. "less buildings/power consumtion"...
or allow you to switch between different input resource

[vast jungle]

you make the BPs directly in the game...

[vernal swallow]

you can do that?

well thanks

[astral warren]

My most common use of alts are the pure ingot ones

Less input for more output just for the cost of some water is hella good imo

[vast jungle]

you build the "Blueprint designer" and then just build inside of it...

there are three version, giving you increasing area to build in

[vast jungle]

But the pure recipes needs a lot of Refineries... which is bad if you want to Blueprint a factory (as an example) because there might not be enough space left in the limited space 😉

[astral warren]

I can see that not being ideal for some ppl but I don’t mind building stuff by hand

The only exception being water extractors, I use a blueprint for those because I despise aligning them

[edgy leaf]

well, one refinery can do 2.1666 times as much iron per minute as one smelter

[astral warren]

It varies per ore a bit I think, for the copper processing setup I have going rn the amount of refineries needed was only slightly less than the amount of smelters I would have used without it

But for iron it seemed to be noticeably less

[nova steppe]

Not blueprints, but you can plan out a lil factory it's called SaLT

[fierce ruin]

this aluminum project is going to be insane once it is done

[vernal swallow]

What stage is this? Or it comes with 1.0

[vernal swallow]

I’ll try that too thanks

[cursive heron]

how did you BP water extractors

[vast jungle]

you get the MK1 BP designer (4x4 foundation size) with the Steel... your get the MK2 with Oil tech... and the MK3 with Tier 9

[edgy leaf]

with copper u only need 1.25 less buildvings

[edgy leaf]

tier 9, the very end

[edgy leaf]

1.0 isnt a stage

[astral warren]

I found them online, no clue how those people BP’d them though

[cursive heron]

ah, if its online probably save edited

[vernal swallow]

Yeah I meant the update

[astral warren]

Yeah that’d make sense

[edgy leaf]

its new in the 1.0 update.

[astral warren]

I’ve never actually opened a BP file before, I wonder if it’s just plaintext or not

[edgy leaf]

both the mk2 and the mk3

[cursive heron]

bps have been out for a while, update 7-8 I think
1.0 just has mk2 and mk3 bp designers

[vernal swallow]

Yeah ok that’s why, thanks
Much easier with this
I made a sketch on paper in my last world…

[vernal swallow]

yeah haven’t play for long xd, wanted to restart at the 1.0 update

[edgy leaf]

do ya'll think this will work?

imagine the setup being copied a bunch of times

[dusk hull]

Hello I‘m planning a aluminium factory which should produce aluminium sheet and casings, this factory should be the only factory producing these 2 items. Can someone tell me how many of these items I have to produce to have enough for personale usage and later tp produce other items+ are there any alternate recipes I can use to make it easier

[edgy leaf]

would this here be better?

[edgy leaf]

noone can tell you how much you should produce, you could produce 0.01 of each item per minute and you'd still eventually beat the game.

the only way to plan for the future is to know what you want to do in the future, otherwise id recommend just building as much as you need right now.

[dusk hull]

Ok I was never this far in the game so I didn’t know how much aluminium I will need for future items that’s why I asked

[edgy leaf]

yep. thats why its generally recommended for new players to produce as much as they need of one item

if you need more in the future build more

[dusk hull]

Okok

[outer vale]

Worth noting mk5 belts use the sheets. Casings are used for buildings.

(both are used for production chains, but that shouldn't be a factor here)

[dusk hull]

Like would 1000 of each item per minute be enough so I won’t have to worry about it again ?

[outer vale]

lol

[wind spade]

most items are only needed in amounts of 5-15 per minute

[outer vale]

for personal use, yes that'd definitely do it. overkill, but yes

[dusk hull]

Okok

[wind spade]

for early-game and often-uised items, you can do up to 30

[thorn bane]

use up a full bauxite node at turn it into 75% sheets 25% casings or something like that

[outer vale]

personally I weight it towards sheets because belts are more ubiquitous than buildings, but up to you really

[thorn bane]

i wouldn't get a second bauxite node if its just for personal use

[dusk hull]

Like a saw these new Items like Heat sink and fused modular frames so that’s why I thought about building so big

[dusk hull]

No not only personal

Overall

[outer vale]

yeah, but for those you'd build the aluminium bits into that factory, not siphon from elsewhere

[wind spade]

personally I'd not build in advance. If you need things later, build things later

[tawny chasm]

i've always assumed there is good reason that greeny's tool (SFtools) defaults to 10/min 😆

[dusk hull]

Okok then I’m gonna build small

[thorn bane]

id just turn 1 bauxite node (600/min) into ingots and then overflow split into sheets and casings but theres many different ways of handling it

[wind spade]

well, it's a decent number that doesn't show too little or too much, but honestly it was just a randomly picked number. Back in time I didn't know how much you'd need for production

[tawny chasm]

oh really? hah 😄

i've heard you say the 5-15 items/min before and i've always found 10/min to be reasonable for most things, like middlegame to endgame

but i guess it is also... 10 😄

[wind spade]

I guess a nice coincidence 🙂

[vast jungle]

for some items 10/min can be already a bit much 😉

[tropic mason]

10 warp drives per min gogo

[tawny chasm]

yeah i haven't got to tier 9 yet lol

and in previous playthroughs i never exactly got deep into tiers 7/8 😆

[tropic mason]

10 director systems per min 😄

[edgy leaf]

opinions on caterium computer and caterium circuitboard?

[ashen girder]

I think I prefer silicon circuit board.

If I were building them near oil and caterium, though, I'd probably use those.

Funny enough, I don't think I have computers in my SuperComputer factory.

So, I mean, that's an option too.

[edgy leaf]

wdym?

[ashen girder]

I don't make computers in my Supercomputer factory.

Like, at all.

[thorn bane]

Quartz Purification made getting silica a lot nicer
also leached copper instead of pure made it better as well

[edgy leaf]

you dont use them or u dont produce them there?

[ashen girder]

I don't produce them there.

[edgy leaf]

yea i dont plan to either

[ashen girder]

OC SupCom buddies! Woo!

[thorn bane]

🤮

[edgy leaf]

noo i htink ill use the normal recipe

[ashen girder]

The normal recipe uses computers. 😛

[edgy leaf]

yes, i know

[ashen girder]

Oh, I produce everything from ore to end in my factories.

[edgy leaf]

ah so u dont use them at all

[ashen girder]

Yeah, sorry. I wasn't sure what you meant by that. I forgot some people do "logistics" things. 🤣

[edgy leaf]

will this train station design work out? (imagine a bunch of them stacked next to each other)

[ashen girder]

My imagination says "maybe".

Yeah, should work fine.

That's more or less how I build all of my stations, except I put both lines on one side instead of splitting them.

[copper atlas]

is there a way to balance belt, to get rid of power-on/off my sink. It's ugly on my power usage

[edgy leaf]

im worried that if i have it set to wait until full that it might cause a traffic jam if a second train comes to pick up from the same staiton 🤔

[ashen girder]

Do more math, make sure your inputs and outputs match.

[ashen girder]

Yes, it will do that.

[edgy leaf]

no i think flabuk means that the sink turns on/off beacuse items come infrequently

[ashen girder]

My answer still works for that, to be fair.

[thorn bane]

use a second grid for sinks/gysers/particle accelerators

[edgy leaf]

i had the same issue with my rotor factory, so i used a sink that was already getting cable

[copper atlas]

i got a belt with 62.5/m

[edgy leaf]

i think using a lower tier belt helps spread it out

[ashen girder]

When your second grid becomes bigger than your first grid, is it really still a second grid?

[edgy leaf]

yes.

[ashen girder]

Seems sus.

[copper atlas]

i use mk2 belt (62.5/m on it)

[vast jungle]

I did something similar once... its an interesting idea, but I am not sure it was worth the effort

[edgy leaf]

soo dont set it to wait until full 🤔

[thorn bane]

you could priority merge with limestone or something so its always active

[edgy leaf]

u have it set up like this, right?

[copper atlas]

i think i ll do it

[ashen girder]

I don't have two stations that close together, and it's two separate rails.

[edgy leaf]

im already doing the thing that uses the least effort that i could come up with. what could i do to use less effort? id love to hear it

[upbeat tide]

Has anyone looked at instant scrap since 1.0? Still as inefficient as it was?

[ashen girder]

But yeah, that's the gist of how I do stations.

[ashen girder]

Define "inefficient" please.

[upbeat tide]

The high sulfur usage

[past reef]

and it gives most aluminum scrap per bauxite how is it not efficient

[vast jungle]

I normally just try to stack train stations side be side... much easier to route them together... and if you take 5 foundations for them there is also space enough for an large container for each station directly attached.

[ashen girder]

The only thing they changed about it is water consumption/production

[thorn bane]

idk hard to say
batteries are gone
but leached recipes are in
🤷

[ashen girder]

It's tied for most, actually.

[vast jungle]

when I need A LOT of train station (my old main depot in my U4 playthrough), I three levels of train stations stacked on top of each other... it was just crazy

[upbeat tide]

Err... batteries are gone?

[thorn bane]

also it doesnt give silica so its worse xd

[past reef]

yeah sloppy electrode = instant but anyways

[ashen girder]

Only one recipe in the game uses them, and drones have better fuels now.

[thorn bane]

as in you dont need them for drones anymore

[edgy leaf]

thats not an option. also i want them spread out beacuse my factory is designed like that.

[upbeat tide]

Ooh ok

[vast jungle]

you could put two U-turns side by side with a bit more space

[upbeat tide]

Yea my default for alum is sloppy, electrode, pure so was mostly curious

[edgy leaf]

wdym?

[edgy leaf]

i dont think i have the space for that

[ashen girder]

Honestly, you could just skip every other station and put a siderail behind it if you want to be able to hold extra trains on this line.

[edgy leaf]

theres currently two rows of machines. imagine theres 18, each one needs one fluid freight platofrm

[vast jungle]

it neds five foundations in between the stations I think... you can maybe get away with 4 stations, but that would look strange

[edgy leaf]

i cant compress it any further

what i could do is put the train station somewhere totally different and run pipes from there, but thatd be more effort than just building it like this

[vast jungle]

you could rotate the stations by 90° and put them parallel to the factory buildings

[edgy leaf]

like, one row of machines, one rof of trains, one row of machines?

[ashen girder]

I like that your refineries have lil hats on them.

[thorn bane]

like this maybe
care old af screenshot

[vast jungle]

or you could put the factory ON TOP of its train station 😄

[edgy leaf]

thats two rows of machines, the red line is the world border. if i move the machines more to the west i collide with the world border. if i move them north i collide with the world border. if i splice in train stations between the rows then i collide with the dune desert mountains to the east

[ashen girder]

This'll run into the same issue, though.

[edgy leaf]

u said u have a lower effort solution and that solution is to tear everything down and rebuild it to make it twice as tall and have the trains below the slices

[vast jungle]

(not sure if I like train stations on top of factory, but it could also work)

[ashen girder]

Oh, I just realized the stations are pointing the other way around.

[edgy leaf]

i dont see how thats less effort than just putting the stations next to the slices

[vast jungle]

I once had a "train spiral" station design... two stations behind each other similar to your design with a train spiral on each side, so you could stack as many as you want on top of each other... totally crazy design ^^

[edgy leaf]

yes, lots of effort

sounds awesome

[vast jungle]

maybe a bit less with BP designers... you can put a one-track train spiral into a MK3 BP

[thorn bane]

sounds blueprintable

[edgy leaf]

i dont have the space for that...

[urban kite]

you can do it in m2 also

[edgy leaf]

i have half a foundation of space to the south and 0 foundations of space towards any other side...

[vast jungle]

I think minimal full circle radius for trains is 5.5 foundations... realistically 6 foundations

[urban kite]

except i havent unlocked mk3 and i built a train spiral

[ashen girder]

7 foundation circles for the win!

[vast jungle]

I have built a couple of train spirals by hand before SF blueprints were a thing

[ashen girder]

Each track being exactly 1/8th of the circle makes for great 4-way intersections.

[vast jungle]

dual-track spiral in 8x8

[wind spade]

@uncut walrus see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

also, ramps >>>> spirals

[vast jungle]

yes, ramps are definitely larger than spirals 😉

[wind spade]

more throughput, more speed, more realism

[urban kite]

Interesting argument, but have you considered: choo choo go spinny on the merry go round

[vast jungle]

I agree on point three, not sure about the other two

[wind spade]

trains slow down in turns

and going up and across is better than going just up

[urban kite]

okay but it looks cool

[thorn bane]

or the other way around and let the fluid flow down to the factory

[wind spade]

I personally hate looks of train spirals

[urban kite]

fair enough

[wind spade]

very unrealistic

[vast jungle]

mono-rails are quite unrealistic too

there is a reason they are used nearly nowhere

[urban kite]

its a sci-fantasy game so personally i couldnt care less about realism but i mean play how you wanna play that is the hwole point i tihnk

[amber umbra]

Build your rails as you like. Very personal preference.

[rotund summit]

hello, is it better to build a dedicated and separate factory for HMF instead of integrating it into my existing factories?

[wind spade]

imo yes

see also https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[thorn bane]

#math-and-meta message

[ashen girder]

Doesn't this say that no factory should depend on another?

Which is, like, exactly the opposite of what he asked?

[wind spade]

they asked whether it's better to build a separate factory for HMF instead of integrating it, I assumed they mean "integrating it into existing MF/etc. factory"

[thorn bane]

dedicated and separate is independent right?

[rotund summit]

yeah this is what i meant, i want to make adaptive control unit for phase 3

[ashen girder]

Oh, I assumed they meant instead of building a new HMF factory for their FMFs or whatever. That's fair.

See, no, they meant what I thought. 😛

[wind spade]

my opinion:

• every factory that needs item X should make that item itself
• every factory should make it's items from raw ores

[thorn bane]

my opinion
nope, put it on the main bus 🙃

[vast jungle]

a compromise could be to build small BPs for "MF" production, so you can reuse the BP at other factories...

so you have independent modules to large factories...

"main bus"... ohoh... 😉

[urban kite]

eww busses

[thorn bane]

bus is life bus is love

[vast jungle]

until the train arrives

[thorn bane]

you just pull pipes, EIBs etc. from the bus and build a manufacturer
ez

[wind spade]

which assumes you already prebuilt EIBs and pipes before, so you built same amount of machines and just made more complex and convoluted logistics for no reason 🤷

[vast jungle]

even with the new MK6 belt this doesn't work that well in SF...

[thorn bane]

no you have them buffered because you unlock them earlier

[vast jungle]

hell, even in Factorio the main bus is often later replaced by LOTS of trains

[rotund summit]

hmm for example, i have 4 factories in close proximity and im only making enough to complete phase 3, eventually when i do need HMF for other stuff do i just start making that factory in another location?

[wind spade]

you know people here assume that the factory should run 24/7

[thorn bane]

mein bus in sf is better than in factorio since it 3d so your bus is way more compact

[vast jungle]

buffers run out... Satisfactory is about throughput

[thorn bane]

space elevator doesnt need throughput?

[wind spade]

factorio is practically 3D as well with undergrounds

[thorn bane]

ive seen soooooo many people having a buffer of space elevator parts, that they calculated the amount they need for the next phase

[vast jungle]

it has two layers... not that much 3D

[thorn bane]

you cant stack 10 belts on top of each other in factorio

[wind spade]

technically up to 4 layers

[vast jungle]

maybe even 7... because belts of same color can cross over

[wind spade]

(not counting crossing underground belts, which is even more)

[wind spade]

that's what I meant by 4

[vast jungle]

still not really 3D ^^

[wind spade]

no but you don't need 3D for a bus

however you need a proper game that makes bus work 😛

[thorn bane]

it just means its easier to have a line for everything

[vast jungle]

factorio bus works well because belts are mostly MUCH faster than machine input/output... which in not the case for Satisfactory, especially in early game

[thorn bane]

yes it sucks for early
its INSANE with 780/1200
blue belts in factorio are 3x as fast as yellows
mk6s is 20x as fast as mk1
late game belts in SF are waaaay faster than in factorio

[wind spade]

factorio bus works because it has variable input and output
you have neither in SF

[urban kite]

late game recipes in SF just chew through inputs though

i mean even early game recipes

[vast jungle]

"this thing needs how many Screws?" 😉

[wind spade]

late game belts in SF are waaaay faster than in factorio
1200/min = 20/s, that's not even tier 2 belt in Factorio

[thorn bane]

well machines make way less aswell

[wind spade]

not that proportionally less

[thorn bane]

green circuits are 120/min from 1 assembler

[wind spade]

screws are 260/min from one constructor

[thorn bane]

blues wich is very low throughput is 10/min
compared to frames/RIPs/etc.

[ashen girder]

650 if you're really trying. 😉

[thorn bane]

most endgame items are <3/min

[vast jungle]

lets not talk about Biomass creation... we really need a MK7 belt for it 😉

[thorn bane]

you need 480 manufactureres to fill a mk6 belt of computers

but ye the only multiple lanes on my bus i needed was 3x copper ingot and 2x steel pipes
everything else was enough with 1

[urban kite]

this is mk2 blueprint builder. You can stack this on top of itself and then connect the tracks and it works. No need for mk3 🙂

[vast jungle]

this looks to steep... are you sure trains can get this up?

[urban kite]

quite sure i used that bp all over my sulfur loop. I dont know if it would work for the standard 1:4 engine for sure though. My trains are 12 freight 4 engines

[urban kite]

🙂

[ashen girder]

Well, 2m ramp can do 5, and 4m ramp could do 2, but 4m ramp is also impossible for a rail.

[hybrid terrace]

how fast is it?

[ashen girder]

So somewhere between 2 and 5 makes sense.

[urban kite]

not very

[hybrid terrace]

wonder if less steep is better then with the train going faster

[ashen girder]

Less steep is always better for trains.

[wintry marlin]

am i allowed to say the thing i always say?

[ashen girder]

Well, actually, down hill at maximum steepness is best for trains.

That just usually comes with the uphill one.

[thorn bane]

so what youre saying is conveyor lift up and train down?

[wintry marlin]

simply conveyer all the way

[hybrid terrace]

jup and then just deconstruct the trains

[ashen girder]

Yesss. Unfortunately, regenerative brakes aren't strong enough to net you power. 😦

[hybrid terrace]

once theyre down theyre down

[wintry marlin]

does weight by the amount of items inside change train behaviour?

[lunar trout]

this is the smartest thing ive ever done😍

[ashen girder]

It does, yes.

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Freight_Car#Weight

[wintry marlin]

wait, so filling it up at the top, emptying at bottom and conveyer it to the top, while moving train up iwht low weight still isnt worth, right?

[ashen girder]

Absolutely not, nope. Each engine can produce at most 8 surplus MW of power.

Each station alone consumes 50 MW.

Each platform another 50.

[wintry marlin]

ah, unlucky

would be hilarious energy gen

[ashen girder]

Yeah, pretty sure regenerative brakes are just a fuck you to people that love straight lines. 🤣

(No offense straight line lovers.)

[vast jungle]

I wonder if you could restart a factory with a REALLY long line down 😉

[cursive heron]

what happens to drones en route if I delete the destination

[vast jungle]

I would say "try it"

[ashen girder]

Hopefully they have a sad and return back to their home.

[vast jungle]

most likely it produces a "deconstruction chest"

should be easy to check with SCIM

[cursive heron]

it deletes every drone coming to it

[ashen girder]

That's cruel. 🤣

Delete as in doesn't even leave a crate or anything?

[cursive heron]

leaves a crate in the air

[ashen girder]

Ah, that's good at least.

[cursive heron]

I need to move my drone fueler like a bit to the left and I can't do that without destroying my entire drone network

[ashen girder]

Build one nearby out of the way, redirect all of them to that one, wait until they've all cycled, then delete the old one and do it again.

[cursive heron]

I just realized there is no scrollbar I actually have to search the port name which implies I memorized them which I dont

[ashen girder]

Godspeed, friend.

[cursive heron]

oh wait no deleting the drone port only deletes the drone that has it as its home

every other drone just flies back

[urban kite]

eh?

[ashen girder]

Ah, okay, that makes more sense.

[ashen girder]

Floating point errors are hard.

[edgy leaf]

how many trains per minute can one normal roundabout handle roughly?

[cursive heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j939cbiQWyg

[edgy leaf]

oh nvm i mathed it wrong, it can handle it

yea every 30 seconds a train should be easy

[velvet venture]

at phase 4 part 3, these new parts are getting so complicated its almost impossible for me to have a single mega factory for even a single part. Thinking about using Drones to fly in the main materials. What would be the easiest to acquire fuel for the drones?

[cursive heron]

rocket fuel

[forest gazelle]

How you guys calculate fuels. It seems like I'm using the same tool, but I can't get any results when I peak any fuel. Are you using satisfactorytools or something else?

[urban kite]

about to make a mistake...

[cursive heron]

this is the footprint for 1800 rocketfuel/min, enough to power ~300 drones

though you do need to sacrifice a bauxite node to make 900 alu , 900 bauxite

[vast jungle]

I am worried to ask what you plan with all these Motors/Rotors/Stators...

[urban kite]

put them in an uploader of course.... 240/min matches the uploader speed so obviously i need to mkae exactly that many

[proven spire]

there must be a way to blueprint the stacked interchange nicely, right? right?

[edgy leaf]

using normal storage containers is enough for trains, right? i odnt have enough space for the big ones

[vast jungle]

hmm... the turbine intersection IS rotational symmetric... so... maybe?

[brisk tartan]

12.000 alu solution gives a bit of alu scrap and 7 thousand water? where is the error? what happened here

[ashen girder]

Okay, I can see using more than 240 concrete/min. How the hell are you using 240 rotors, stators or motors per minute while building?

[wind spade]

game counts fluids in liters

it's 12/7 as stated over the icon

[brisk tartan]

well sometimes you gotta be just dumb and ask before you're dumb and dont ask i suppose.. thanks greeny^^

[proven spire]

motors?
Ehm.. I have to build 1260 Fuel Generators atm.. YEP

[ashen girder]

Funny enough, I had more trouble with rubber doing that than motors.

Kept running out. 😭

[proven spire]

gonna do that area with fuel gens.. as 3 floors.. 😂