math-and-meta

[prisma kraken]

🙂

changing topics a bit, i'm starting to feel that the APA's are a little bit too good

[thorn bane]

pls dont do OC supercomputer
i know it seems nice with an assembler and less logistics
but it could be 2 RCUs and cooling systems and it would still be more resources then the other recipes

[ashen girder]

Hey! APAs are how I beat phase 5 with 36 turbo fuel generators, 8 coal generators, 31 thermal generators and 7 biomass generators. Thank you very much.

And 27 batteries power storages.

[prisma kraken]

change your math, cooling system (the alt that takes motors) became a lot cheaper

[ashen girder]

And a partridge in a pear tree.

[prisma kraken]

pasta in a pear tree 😛

[ashen girder]

I combined OC SupCom with Turbo Electric Motors, Electric Motors, and all the Silicon/Quickwire alts. Not a drop of oil. I'm super happy with it. 😂

[thorn bane]

wait what?

[ashen girder]

They meant Cooling Device, not System.

[thorn bane]

they upded the speed from 3.75 to 5 but it still roughly the same numbers right?

i guess 20% less heat sinks but eh

[ashen girder]

And that's why WP will continue to be a garbage metric to evaluate recipes by.

[thorn bane]

sure but 20% doesnt offset 5k to 12k

[ashen girder]

No, but the 5k and 12k are a garbage metric anyway.

[thorn bane]

idk man...

[pseudo moth]

ok, so, to get a plutonium setup using satisfactory tools, i'd need to define how many fuel rods i want, to find out how much uranium nuclear waste i need, to calculate and find out how many uranium fuel rods i need to burn?

i can make 1 plutonium rod per 2 uranium rods, is that it?

[thorn bane]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=2ki0lF4LSD3HSeDlBCPO
you can input uranium/plutonium waste in the Items, Input tab

[velvet venture]

didnt build any yet, to the point that resources are spread so far around the map, piping and conveyoring them back to main base it seeming more and more difficult. Do i just make a drone/train network? if yes which of the two would be better

[ashen girder]

a.) You don't use it by itself, b.) You do use it with Turbo Motors and c.) It works great if you want to cut out entire resources.

[pseudo moth]

yeah i did that, and then i'd need to find out how many uranium rods generate that amount of waste, right?

[thorn bane]

ah yes sorry
it depends on alts but with default Pcell and PRod its
1 URods = 0.25 PRods = 1.25 FRods

[pseudo moth]

thanks!

[polar wave]

Yes, using standard recipes 2 uranium reactors can support 1 plutonium reactor.

[prisma kraken]

btw, i think i found a way last evening to convert the full 2100 uranium into ficsonium for recycling

i need to look at it all more closely, but it seems like it is possible w/o blowing out the map resources

[thorn bane]

doesnt that just eat up all sam?

[rigid fox]

Does anyone know why it says I've unlocked all the recipes even though I haven't; there are at least two I'm looking for that I don't have.

[lethal condor]

Trying to plan my electronics factory with just a few resource inputs

😓

[jolly sparrow]

WHAT THE HELL ARE THOSE NUMBERS

[lethal condor]

Satisfactorytools does weird rounding when setting output to 'maximize'

It's not actually gonna be those numbers, this just gives me an idea to the production chain

[jolly sparrow]

DONT DO THAT

oh

[lethal condor]

It's just a baseline I can build off

Right now I'm trying to decide if it's worth doing silicon HSC over the regular recipe

Problem is that recipe uses like 4x as many manufacturers

[jolly sparrow]

so

big is better

[lethal condor]

For scaling, sure, but the speed of the machines is uhh

3x as long

[jolly sparrow]

waht is this for presanal >

?

[lethal condor]

Electronics factory, to get a decent baseline of products for T7 and T8 advanced components

RCUs, control rods, etc, for later

Supercomputers

[ashen girder]

2/40 seconds vs 1/16 seconds isn't as bad as it seems. 👀

[alpine turret]

I just have a quick question, when useing drones, is it better to try to make batteries for them like usually or make rocket/ionized fuel for them, considering some effort/results.

[lethal condor]

Oh right it puts out 2

Yeah that's not so bad

[gleaming shuttle]

best drone fuel is plutonium rods :)

[livid meteor]

how? there is not even a pipe connected!

[gleaming shuttle]

batteries are more "efficient" than fuel but require setting up a separate chain

and fuel does the job

so if you have a fuel plant already then you can just feed that to your drones and not really worry about it

[livid meteor]

I'm a bit disappointed by rocket fuel ngl.

[gleaming shuttle]

i like the battery production chain though

[fringe pawn]

Turbofuel and rocket fuel are only a bit of a letdown because diluted fuel is just too good.

Honestly, I wouldn't have been surprised if they just straight up removed diluted fuel in 1.0. Not nerfed, just removed.

[livid meteor]

Wait is normal fuel better for fuel gens?

I meant for jetpack tbh

[lethal condor]

Biofuel for jetpack

[livid meteor]

Yea

I know, that disappoints me so much

[fringe pawn]

Liquid biofuel remains the best for the jetpack IMO, the longest burn time is the most valuable thing.

[livid meteor]

basically getting the best fuel in early game

I mean I can still unlock ionized fuel

[cursive heron]

holy, I accidentally unplugged a plug that should not be unplugged I was this close to breaking my fuse

[lethal condor]

😰

New fear unlocked

[rigid fox]

Quick question. Do conveyers on straight automatically move around buildings, or did I just get lucky with the angle?

[urban kite]

lucky

[lethal condor]

They clip through stuff

[rigid fox]

damn

[fringe pawn]

I'm going from coal to rocket fuel in this playthrough. I'm planning on 500 rocket fuel (120 generators, or 48@250%). The reason is that with MK2 pipes, I can just overclock my pure oil node and still gain oil production out of it. Only 135 crude for that 500 rocket fuel.

[vivid escarp]

How much Atom generators can i feed with 14.5 Uran / Min

[thorn bane]

72.5

[vivid escarp]

How much water does 1 need

because i dont have much sea left

[thorn bane]

240/min so 2 extractors

[cursive heron]

I should make this a screensaver

[vivid escarp]

im there yet

[lethal condor]

Geiger static intensifies

[livid meteor]

I just did the math and noticed that I could fuel 87 fuel gens. I'm not building that

[thorn bane]

overclock

[livid meteor]

Reminds me of "let's game it out"

[livid meteor]

That is with overclock

[thorn bane]

oh xD

[livid meteor]

And I'm only using 1/4th of my fuel

So if I would use all of it.... rip

[ashen girder]

I built a blueprint that fits 6 fuel gens in it. It helps.

[livid meteor]

I ain't building 351 fuel gens

[alpine turret]

i have to build 600 gens but dont want to do it either

[vivid escarp]

You do! Because "Pioneers do what the must because they can"

[thorn bane]

why are yall overbuilding nuclear

[livid meteor]

I rather just build more nuklear power

[true junco]

All im reading is "reasons to build nuclear" lol

[ashen girder]

I finished the game with like.. 39? fuel generators.

[livid meteor]

I have enough fuel rods to fuel 14.4 of them anyway

[ashen girder]

Just gotta be frugal with yer energy.

[livid meteor]

Man but what do I do with all this rocket fuel now. Feed lizard doggos?

[ashen girder]

Bottle it. Use it for drones.

[jolly sparrow]

i have 250 fuel gens

[honest nacelle]

Guys, is it worth it? (The beam recipe I mean)

[lethal condor]

My turbo plant is fueling 170.67 gens lol

[thorn bane]

you can use the blueprint designer to build 4 fuel gens now btw that helps a lot

[fringe pawn]

Finishing the game with 5000MW is probably pretty doable if you're willing to do 5% clocked encoders and particle accelerators built in quantity, which isn't even really a big deal.

[ashen girder]

If you've got extra limestone and want to save coal and iron, yeah.

[thorn bane]

can do it on 1gw if you just charge batteries and wait
but like why

[ashen girder]

Beams aren't super useful in general though once you start unlocking pipe alts.

I'd take iron wire of those two.

[ashen girder]

Mine has 6. 👀

[terse stone]

I'm working on a personal challenge of completion criteria, where I automate the space elevator parts at 1/10 of their cost per min.
Phase 1 Cost: 50 × Smart Plating -> Target 5/min
etc.

The bottleneck seems to be making 100 Nuclear Pasta/min for Phase 5. With slooping and alt recipes I am able to squeeze out 102 Nuclear Pasta/min (10 goes to BWD so I make 92 Nuclear Pasta/min). Currently this stays within the capacity of the Copper Nodes on the map but I'm over on some others.

Curious if other folks have done a rate challenge and if it's possible to actually do 1/10th rate for Phase 5

[fringe pawn]

I think the only ongoing use of beams is versatile framework. And if you just AFK long enough to make 3~ ISCs that's enough for the whole game and you can forget about it and delete production.

[thorn bane]

why are you using fuel power if youve unlocked nuclear xd

[ashen girder]

Because rocket fuel's still better than nuclear.

[lethal condor]

Nuclear is haaard

[ashen girder]

Also, I actually made that blueprint while waiting for Phase 5 to finish. 🤣

[lethal condor]

screeches in geiger

[urban kite]

a pump doesnt do anything on a gas right? other than making it flow one way?

[thorn bane]

nope

[viral fractal]

how do i split this

better pic

[urban kite]

you dont

[ashen girder]

With splitters.

[alpine turret]

overflow

[ashen girder]

Just a line of splitters.

Two lines if you're feeling gratuitous.

[wet rain]

you can manifold with injectors.

Split them into 3 sets of 5, with a merger being between the sets, and then take the splitters 3 and run them into splitters that split the line into the manifold.

I dont have pics at the moment but its like

S-S-S-S-S-M-S-S-S-S-S-M-S-S-S-S-S

[viral fractal]

aight thanks

[glossy schooner]

do you really need 20 smart plating/min...?

[viral fractal]

Yes.

[glossy schooner]

elevator parts are not worth going this hard to automate

imo

[ashen girder]

21.5 hours later: "more smart platings than I'll ever need again".

[viral fractal]

go big or go home ig

[ashen girder]

Ficsit does not waste.

[viral fractal]

on a tight schedule

[wet rain]

oh you wanna minmax manifold?

yeah do 4 sets of 4 and underclock the last one.

[ashen girder]

Make sure you do 38 AutoWiring/min or you're gonna fall behind on that one.

[thorn bane]

idk smart platings are needed for Ballistic Warp Drives

[ashen girder]

And with 20/min, you can feed 4 BWD manufacturers.

[thorn bane]

4/min?
that sounds slow af

[lethal condor]

The Sloops br0ther

[fringe pawn]

I even sloop pasta and copper powder 😛

The final pasta delivery is the hardest of the 4 IMO.

[ashen girder]

Took me the longest of the 4, at least.

[thorn bane]

ye same

[fringe pawn]

Yeah. Hardest might not be apt, but none of them are hard honestly.

[ashen girder]

Doesn't help that BWDs also use them. 😂

[thorn bane]

especially once i realized that i need pasta for BWDs as well

[ashen girder]

So I was splitting time for awhile until my warp drives finished.

[urban kite]

nothing is "hard" in this game if ur willing to leave ur computer open overnight lol

[fringe pawn]

And singularity cells.

[ashen girder]

Singularity cells is how BWDs use them.

[fringe pawn]

I mean for portals as well

[ashen girder]

Oh, I haven't built any portals.

My poor lil power grid would shit itself if I tried to use those I bet.

[thorn bane]

i put mine down
set up a belt for it
realized its expensive AF
and instantly deleted them lul

[fringe pawn]

Portals require 2ppm cells to run. You can use them on demand (no continuous feed of cells) if you're willing to accept the 30 second power up.

[honest nacelle]

Do you guys think Steel Pipes or Beams are more used? Never got too far into the game and I am trying to plan between 60 beams/m or 60 pipes/m (the other one would be 30/m

[urban kite]

pipes

[ashen girder]

Pipes pipes pipes.

[thorn bane]

at that point beams for mk3 belts

[ashen girder]

Unlock EIP and Mk4 belts. Skip Mk3 belts.

[jolly sparrow]

my head

[urban kite]

i skipped right over mk3 belts

[thorn bane]

wat
dude mk4s suck
mk3 till mk5 all the way

[honest nacelle]

I don't mind waiting for some beams for belts at 30/m tbh, I am thinking more late game

I don't want to redo this factory soon

[ashen girder]

Nah, EIPs are cheap as shit and you need hundreds of them anyway.

[urban kite]

no?

[cursive heron]

one constructors worth of steel beams and pipes and you're good

[honest nacelle]

Btw, what are pipes used for?

[thorn bane]

its 3 beams to 1 EIP
and they stack to 100 isntead of 200

[ashen girder]

Fuckin' everything if you use the alts for them.

[urban kite]

with alternate recipes you can fully (almost?) replace beams with pipes

[honest nacelle]

I only have molded beams alt recipe

[ashen girder]

It's 0 beams to 1 EIP. 😛

[honest nacelle]

Oh, thats nice to know

[fringe pawn]

Versatile framework is the only recipe that can't ditch beams. Power towers, ISCs, and other buildings require beams, though.

[lethal condor]

You can also fully replace steel for EIBs now

Iron pipes

[ashen girder]

You can. Whether you should or not is a different question.

[thorn bane]

versatile framework
plutonium fuel rod
i miss beacons

[lethal condor]

Yeah, it's a lot more iron, but the option is there

[honest nacelle]

I'll go with pipes then. If my math is mathing I can make 80 pipes/m and 30 beams/m close to my base

[ashen girder]

Aluminum beams. 👀

[thorn bane]

wait really?
i never considered it

[honest nacelle]

What is EIB/EIP that y'all talking about?

[urban kite]

can you make alumionum without coal?

[ashen girder]

Encased Industrial Beam/Pipe.

[urban kite]

i wonder if you can make all parts without coal

coalless run when

[ashen girder]

EIB is the default, EIP is the same thing but with pipes.

[thorn bane]

you can use petr. coke instead with the alt

[ashen girder]

Mk4 belts use them.

[urban kite]

tons of buildings use encased industrial beams yeah

[lethal condor]

A lot of people say to skip mk4 belts because EIBs are expensive but I build a shit ton of them anyway

[ashen girder]

And EIP (the alt), reduces both the amount of steel and concrete you need for them.

EIBs are only expensive if you're trying to use iron pipes. 👀

[lethal condor]

Because you need them for HMFs anyway

encased heavy frames bae

[urban kite]

but mk4 is the breakpoint where you can build a factory to fully use a mk3 overclocked impure node 😭

or ist it mk5

[lethal condor]

If you're OCing a mk2 miner on an impure node you're also OCing a mk2 miner on a pure node

Which makes 600

[ashen girder]

Mk3 on an impure at max speed is only 300/min. 🙃

[urban kite]

exactly

[fringe pawn]

rocky desert player who's confused at this idea of impure nodes

[lethal condor]

I build my whole plastic rubber and turbofuel factory on mk3 and mk4 belts

[ashen girder]

Meanwhile I have mk6 belts for my remains->dna factory. 😂

[urban kite]

grass fields with 10 impure nodes all next to eachother

[ashen girder]

THEY'RE SO PRETTY

[lethal condor]

Now I tapped a single pure bauxite node and i'm pooping mk5 belts

[sacred root]

Am I overthinking stuff or is the Turbo Heavy Fuel recipe more efficient than the one where you used diluted fuel?

[lethal condor]

I use both

Diluted fuel for recycled plastic and rubber

[ashen girder]

7/6 vs 5/4

[fringe pawn]

Turbo heavy is only useful if you haven't unlocked diluted fuel.

[lethal condor]

Pre-blended diluted fuel recipe

[fringe pawn]

With diluted fuel, default turbofuel and turbo blend use less oil than turbo heavy.

HOR alt just makes all of them better.

[lethal condor]

I'm never doing long manifolds of fluids ever again

[ashen girder]

Oh, and 9/5 for default turbofuel.

[vivid escarp]

What Calculator is that it looks so good

[lethal condor]

Obsidian notes

It's not a calculator you have to do that part manually lol

It's just a note tool with nice GUI

[bleak veldt]

is there a guide on throughput with drones with different fuels?

[jolly sparrow]

is 600 packaged fuel enuf for some drons

[ashen girder]

Drones inhale packaged fuel, fair warning.

[jolly sparrow]

how much will 600 get me

[orchid pond]

600/min?

[jolly sparrow]

yea

[orchid pond]

entirely depends on the travel distance

[vivid escarp]

Can i somehow disable this thik think think every time i fly with hovy the hover item?

[lusty tinsel]

if i OC power gens, is there a net gain of power if i do it by OC everything up stream or do I have to use additional buildings to have a net power gain

[bleak veldt]

Is there a formula or something for it

[jolly sparrow]

lets just say wrold end to world end

[orchid pond]

drones are annoyingly difficult to calculate around. i would build the drone lines you need and then build fuel to match the demand

[lethal condor]

They simply consume fuel faster. OCing gens just lets you get the same power from placing fewer of them

[honest nacelle]

For the truck instusiasts out there, I am thinking of using some trucks to do the logistics for my next factory, I was planning something like this. For this distance, how many trucks do you guys recommend to keep as much uptime as possible?

[bleak veldt]

sounds like one train down the middle of the map for all the aluminum it is

[orchid pond]

trains > drones for most things especially for moving large amounts of items!

[urban kite]

ah but trains are cooler

[thorn bane]

but then again belts>both so might as well

[lusty tinsel]

Oh I see, so you don't get more power.... you just save space lol.

[cursive heron]

d r o n e s

[orchid pond]

for mass transport trains are better than belts, they have functionally infinite throughput and can be used for any number of factories without having to build new lines

[fervent trench]

I am building an intermediates factory and I want to try and make it scalable. Those that are at/near end game, what is the largest number of assemblers/constructors you have dedicated to a single item?

[thorn bane]

well multiple belts also have infinite throughput and dont cost power

[urban kite]

you know what else has infinite throughput? Factrory carts. Just neet a bazillion of them and stations to match. 🙂

[thorn bane]

so does handfeeding with a big enough community

[cursive heron]

I don't know if it was fixed but extremely long distance belts can have decreased throughput just because it kinda bugs out after each belt connection

[thorn bane]

thats fixed

[orchid pond]

it's a matter of convenience. i'd rather run 1 train line around the map than 500 belt lines

[ashen girder]

they have functionally infinite throughput
Be careful saying such things here. There's math people about. 👀

[lethal condor]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[thorn bane]

sure
and they look cool
they just arent better

[ashen girder]

Scatter!

[orchid pond]

that's what the "functionally" is for lol. for most people's needs, they have no solid throughput cap

[lethal condor]

Who needs trains when I just build a 59 mile beltway across the planet

[sacred root]

So Alt: HOR > Diluted Fuel > Turbo Blend Fuel, I got that right?

[lethal condor]

And simply wait 20 years for stuff to get from one place to another

[orchid pond]

numbers-wise, they may be slightly worse, but i would argue that convenience factors into how "good" they are

[livid meteor]

I'm getting a stroke trying to align this, ngl

[lethal condor]

No one will know it's not aligned

[orchid pond]

the benevolent nudge tool:

[lethal condor]

No one... (except you)

[livid meteor]

And the lift inside that will refuse to connect

[orchid pond]

nudge nudge nudge

nudge is your best friend

[livid meteor]

man

[lunar trout]

im new to the game and im confused why the iron is clogged up like that?

[livid meteor]

[urban kite]

ur belts are too slow, i think

mk1 belts only do 60/min but a single smelter produces 30/min

[lunar trout]

should i put mk2 belst

belts

[glossy schooner]

they're also probably clogging because you're not using all the iron coming in...

[lunar trout]

all of it is going into the machines

[urban kite]

no it isnt overflowing into the machines

just at this wild splitter setup they have

[uneven geyser]

eyeball it first, there's a throughput indicator in truck stations. if its too low, you need more

[glossy schooner]

ok it's definitely a merging problem then

[urban kite]

if you use mk2 belts between the first merger and first splitter it should work? i think

[uneven geyser]

watch the machines usage, sum it up. maybe you need more machines

[lunar trout]

i have like 12 machine

[urban kite]

like right here it cant handle 90/min if its only mk1

[uneven geyser]

rieskaman, since this is your first playthrough, i recommend trying to figure out by yourself. But there are tools for that https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/
just make sure you don't spoil yourself on later recipes

[muted tide]

what item in 1.0 is worth/best setting up a factory for to sink in your guys opinion

[livid meteor]

well, now I live with it. Swiss cheese tower

[glossy schooner]

lasagna

[honest nacelle]

Oh, i didnt know

I thought it was by feeling

[ashen girder]

To be fair, the throughput indicators used to get real wacky over time.

I'm pretty sure they're fixed now though.

Just be careful because if you haven't been moving stuff, and you have a backlog, it'll take awhile to equalize out after the initial loads.

[honest nacelle]

Nice to know about the indicator but what do you mean by equalize? Should I dump excess output?

[ashen girder]

Say your truck stop is completely full. The truck will load up as many stacks as it can, and the other end will just see all those stacks incoming at once. Then after the next trip, it'll see the rest of that backlog, and calculate based on those two numbers.

At some point it'll empty the sending side every time, and that's when you'll see your actual throughput.

Because then it's only moving what it can get while it's gone.

[honest nacelle]

Makes sense

[jolly sparrow]

i have a bad idea

[ashen girder]

Does it involve a lot of limestone?

[urban kite]

basic ingots my beloved

[jolly sparrow]

yea but not what you are thinking

[ashen girder]

I'm not thinking anything but "Does it involve a lot of limestone?" 😂

[urban kite]

wet concrete?

[jolly sparrow]

operation hell all those nods in one place

[urban kite]

it is a very nodeful location

[jolly sparrow]

yea

[uneven geyser]

my latest invention: 22.5 computers per minute at the end of the world, + some SAM fluctuators

if storage full, all the oil goes to fuel then energy

[ashen girder]

So.. consuming out of your storage reduces your energy production? 😶

[livid meteor]

I hate that recipe because of the water

[ashen girder]

Good news! Nitric Acid and Sulfuric Acid are both made out of water!

[livid meteor]

Ah nice, it's 100% self sustaining

[ashen girder]

Huh. It actually is, isn't it.

[sinful oasis]

sorry if it's not the right channels. I'm kinda confused on how 2 to 5 load balancers work

[ashen girder]

This is the best channel, but you'll probably be told not to bother. 😂

[livid meteor]

Ok, so all I need now is to build walls, so noone can see this abomination I made

[sinful oasis]

well like, trying to figure out if any of the belts would ever exceed the capacity of the original belts. I tried writing it down but the loop makes it hard to figure things out

[ashen girder]

Ah, fertile is. Non-fissile is not self-sustaining.

[gray wing]

Hello, im making my first concrete thing with one pure limestone node. Im getting 120 limestone per minute, but my constructors can only process 45 each, do I build 2 or 3 constructors?

[ashen girder]

Have you unlocked overclocking yet?

(Also, 3 is the answer regardless.)

[gray wing]

Not yet not

Thank you!

[ashen girder]

Build 3, then go find a slug.

(Do not eat the slug though, tasty as they look.)

[mossy trail]

Hi. My miners produce 520 compacted coal/min, then the train delivers this coal to another place far away. And its only 470 coal per minute. How do I fix this?

[gray wing]

I got one or two slugs

[ashen girder]

Shove those bad mama jammas into the MAM.

[urban kite]

add more cars?

[jolly sparrow]

more train if i remember

[gray wing]

What should I research?

[urban kite]

also make sure you have buffers

[ashen girder]

There's a tree for the power slugs. You want to get the one on the right side.

It'll allow you to underclock things, so you can then run your 3 constructors at 66%.

Or the last one. 😂 I can't remember.

[mossy trail]

Storage containers as a buffer?

[gray wing]

Oh wait I see it, im unlocking overclocking rn

[ashen girder]

I feel lied to.

[still forge]

yo guys could someone quickly calculate or tell me how many Uranium Waste per minute would 24 Uranium Fuel Rods produce?(48x 250% Nuclear Plants)

[urban kite]

i would go with industrial storage containers yes, and connect both outputs to the station. Because trains loading/unloading blocks the station for a bit

[sinful oasis]

like, wouldn't this number be higher than the capacity of mk5 belts or am I missing something?

[still forge]

none of these numbers exceed mk5's capacity

[urban kite]

it's being split tho

[mossy trail]

Right now it goes like this. I should split the belt before container and add new storage container? Right?

[glossy schooner]

none of these exceet 780

[urban kite]

no that looks exactly right...

[ashen girder]

red + green is 780, +blue is more than 780.

[mossy trail]

I mean, for second freight car

[glossy schooner]

red + green out into bottom will clog and force more to the top red + green, wouldn't it?

[urban kite]

oh, yeah

[glossy schooner]

which will balance itself out

[sinful oasis]

it'd balance but not without slowing down the belts, right?

[glossy schooner]

your input and output belts will be full speed so does that really matter?

[sinful oasis]

actually wait, fair

[ashen girder]

The top which is also 780 + blue.

!wikisearch balancer

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=balancer

[glossy schooner]

oh right. why is it split like that?

[ashen girder]

Because that's how balancers work.

[glossy schooner]

💀

i hate load balancing

[ashen girder]

You need to add the extra splitter and merger you see in the bottom left to prevent it from bottlenecking. 👆

[glossy schooner]

ok with the math laid out it makes more sense

[gray wing]

Is setting 3 constructors with 45 per minute each like this a good way to do it if i got 120 coming in? If I use overclocking?

[glossy schooner]

i would underclock to 40 ppm input to each but it's fine yeah

just a bit of a power save and prevents the ugly yellow light appearing

[sinful oasis]

oh hm, like I have bauxite coming in from a truck depot and I'd want it split into 5 refineries, except it's so much that I'm limited by belt speed

[gray wing]

Thank you!

[glossy schooner]

i am blasting you with the manifold beam

[sinful oasis]

oh that's a huge help I think

[glossy schooner]

use manifolds

[sinful oasis]

I do use manifolds, one belt won't cut it

[ashen girder]

See. Told you. 😁

[glossy schooner]

use manifold injector

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[sinful oasis]

oh! huh okay haven't heard of that

that sounds easier.. I think? Thank you!

[ashen girder]

It's what I would do, too.

[glossy schooner]

the only use case id see for load balancing is probably radioactive materials so that you don't have buildups in the factory

[sinful oasis]

guessing the SS is a smart splitter with it set to overflow?

[glossy schooner]

correct

technically not required but it significantly speeds up the warmup period in my experience

[urban kite]

i have a 2-2 balancer on the end of the industrial container buffer in my train station 🙂

[sinful oasis]

gotcha. I'll give that a shot then! Now I just need to figure out this somered water byproduct issue and I should be set! Thanks!!

[glossy schooner]

i run 1-2 buffers into my train stations personally

though i will admit i'm still a big noob in terms of train logistics

[urban kite]

strictly speaking i dont think my balancer is necessary there either. it could just manifold

[livid meteor]

Can 1 drone port be used for different routes or do I need to build multiple ports for multiple routes? Cuz I got an idea of a "gas station" where they can pick up their fuel. But it seems like I have to make multiple ports then (1 for each route)

[glossy schooner]

i think it makes more sense to have a "drone hub" and then have a set of drones pick up fuel from your fuel factory and deliver it to the hub, no?

at least, that's how i'd plan it.

[ashen girder]

Two ports for every outpost: one to receive fuel, and one to deliver its goods elsewhere.

[livid meteor]

yea but it seems every hup is part of exactly 1 route

unlike trains

[ashen girder]

Consider that the price for true point-to-point logistics unlike trucks and trains.

[glossy schooner]

tugboat's probably got the better idea, i haven't messed around with drones too much

[livid meteor]

Well I guess I just spamm drone ports then

[glossy schooner]

i probably should, though. as long as i'm able to get empty fluid tanks to where i make my rocket fuel...

[ashen girder]

You only need one receiving fuel to feed the rest, unless you have that many drones.

[glossy schooner]

maybe i should have a drone that goes from my alu factory to my fuel factory!

[ashen girder]

My first two drones: one delivers empty canisters to the fuel depot, one delivers fuel elsewhere. 😄

[glossy schooner]

brilliant.

[livid meteor]

mine are transporting uranium

[ashen girder]

Also, you can have multiple drones picking up from one place. So you only need one port sending fuel from your fuel plant.

Two if traffic gets too high.

[glossy schooner]

now i'm thinking with drones, i need to get more invested in these.

[livid meteor]

Meh I prefer trains tbh. But those 2 spots are just so badly reachable that I just decided to send drones

[glossy schooner]

you can just add more drones in the same way you can add more trains to a railway, right?

[livid meteor]

well 3*

[ashen girder]

I think so? I don't remember.

[glossy schooner]

i'm too stupid for trains, i built one for my alu factory and got flamed for it xdd

[livid meteor]

👀

[ashen girder]

Rude. 😦

[livid meteor]

I mean look at this

I became a bit lazy

[glossy schooner]

drones seem like they should be better for low input/output factories, anyways. i've been procrastinating on making electronics factory due to the amount of different inputs

[grand jasper]

so to do this i have to make 3 groups of packaging so my belts can keep up right? 3 groups of 9

[livid meteor]

what are "low input factories"?

All I do with drones is transport 1 item anyway

[ashen girder]

Usually people suggest dedicating two packagers per refinery so you don't have to worry about that.

[livid meteor]

If you merge multiple items into 1 drone port, gg. Chaos is imminent

[ashen girder]

Eh, not any more or less than other vehicle types. Just have to be careful and keep it flowing.

[grand jasper]

oh i can just make life loops over the top of the ref

[livid meteor]

Well yea, but that's why I never mix items in freight wagons and so on. As soon as they pile up or clogg a container you're lost

[grand jasper]

can i mass copy settings from buildings somehow

[glossy schooner]

my factory needs plastic(oil), quartz, caterium, iron, and copper, all in low amounts, but it's difficult finding a good area with all of these in the same area

[ashen girder]

Just takes a smart splitter to prevent that. 😉

[glossy schooner]

so now i'm planning on using drones at each miner to circumvent needing close proximity

[livid meteor]

No thanks. 1 mistake any my facotie blows up

I keep it clean and seperated

[ashen girder]

Probably for the best.

[hollow egret]

I'm automating HMFs for the first time ever, and I was wondering - is it better to make HMFs for adaptive control units on their own + passive all-purpose HMF factory, or have an even bigger all-purpose factory and siphon off some of the output? What's more efficient and easier to implement?

[glossy schooner]

i have taken the independent factory pill and you should too

[wind spade]

27 groups of 1:1:1

[grand jasper]

jeah realized that. but my other question. can i mass or quick copy settings?

[lethal condor]

HMF are used for lots of buildings so I have a dedicated factory for them

[livid meteor]

Isn't it just preference? I personally did a "giga" factory which is not even that big but uses 1 big conveyor bus

[lethal condor]

Ultimately you don't need much production of anything tbh

[livid meteor]

like this

[wind spade]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency is my recommendation

[livid meteor]

Just to let you know, I died in the process of taking that screenshot, no more fuel to land

[ashen girder]

!wikisearch space elevator

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=space

[glossy schooner]

mega factory has a cpu throughput limit

[ashen girder]

!wikisearch space+elevator

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=space+elevator

[glossy schooner]

you've got rocket fuel but no hoverpack?

[ashen girder]

Friendly reminder that the wiki lists the total numbers of every project part you need.

[livid meteor]

I tabbed out, posted the screenshot and was too slow to tab in again

[glossy schooner]

hot swap to parachute to take the pic smh

[hollow egret]

Independent factory as in factories don't depend on each other for resources? This is the route I'm doing right now, I'm just curious if the situation will ever change in the future with extremely complex recipes etc

[livid meteor]

pfff, who uses parachutes anyway

[ashen girder]

Parachutes are god tier now.

[glossy schooner]

they're pretty good, they keep momentum without needing to feather a jetpack

i hear you can also goat simulator with em up

[livid meteor]

liquid biofuel?

[glossy schooner]

personally hate liquid biofuel

[ashen girder]

What's your beef with LBF?

[glossy schooner]

the lift sucks (i hate most fuels tbh)

[grand jasper]

you can do what?

[amber umbra]

It’s the duration not how up you get personally.

[livid meteor]

Meh, my drone is ignoring the 3rd port he's supposed to fly to

[hardy latch]

LBF just feelbadman 😦 I'm tryna take off like a rocket. But I always carry both just in case.

[livid meteor]

That's why those exist

I take off faster than any other fuel could make me

[glossy schooner]

i also find that LBF tends to only be ok for fighting, changing your vector kills momentum

you need to be airborne less if you have actually good lift

i also kinda wonder if you can get more distance by jetting up with rocket fuel and swapping to parachute

[remote ice]

I have invented a brand new type of hypertube cannon that gives you INFINITE SPEED* at the cost of softlocking you

[hardy latch]

Now have someone delete an entrance while you're inside and see what happens

[livid meteor]

you just do this

[remote ice]

and hit them with the xeno basher

if you hit them with the xeno basher they detonate simultaneously, instead of on a delay like with the remote

[glossy schooner]

i do still need to automate ammo production

[livid meteor]

Wait. can't drone make round trips?

I thought I could setup a connection like A->B->C->A->...

But it seems like a drone can only do A->B->A

that sucks

[ashen girder]

Point to point.

Each drone port can only go to one other drone port, as far as I'm aware. Any drones it receives return to where they came from.

[glossy schooner]

it has a home and destination

hold up, drones have 9 slots? why did i think they only had 5

i need to start using these

[mild remnant]

Do you know if someone has a complete spreadsheet of a MAX Uranium usage in Nuclear PowerPlant (Without converters) and if they use Plutonium too?

[livid meteor]

rip

Then I have absolutely no use for them

[ashen girder]

Sorry! 😦

[livid meteor]

I guess I have to build another train station

Or a really long conveyor belt

[ashen girder]

Why don't the drones work for you?

[livid meteor]

Because I don't have fuel at every spot where I would put a drone port

So I need a 3rd stop where my fuel is

[wind spade]

or deliver fuel via another drone
or have all drones deliver to central storage where fuel also is

[livid meteor]

Unless I'm lunatic enough to build another drone connection from my fuel port to every other drone port, which would simply end up in a drone mess

I feel like that is an insane afford and I rather just drag a conveyor belt accross the map

[wind spade]

it's your save, your choice 🤷 options are out there

[glossy schooner]

drones can refuel at both their home and destination port

only need to supply fuel to the factory

[livid meteor]

none of them have fuel

[ashen girder]

You only need fuel on one end of the connection.

[livid meteor]

again, none of the ends have fuel

[ashen girder]

So if all your drones are dropping off at one place, you can just put fuel there.

[glossy schooner]

i imagine one would use drones by picking up stuff from miners and droning it over to a factory, which then may or may not drone the output away

[livid meteor]

Yea but if they all drop off at one place they ain't goint to the target or source

[glossy schooner]

it would be trivial to just drone some fuel to the factory in this example

[ashen girder]

If that one place happens to be at a train station. 👀

[livid meteor]

The only time it works in my opinion is if you have a central storage with fuel

Yea, trains are way better

Still my personally favorite transportation

[glossy schooner]

i think this game has enough logistic options that it doesn't really matter which one you use

[ashen girder]

Also you can just do two drone ports at each pickup spot.

[glossy schooner]

(but belts are required.)

[ashen girder]

Send one drone to its target, send the other drone to your fuel.

Only need one drone port on the fuel-side that way.

[urban kite]

if it were me, id have a central droneport at the fuel factory, bring resources to the fuel factory, and then ship them out. Two drones for each resource

but personally i prefer choo choo

[glossy schooner]

i wish i was better at choo choo

trying to figure out even a good way to use trains is annoying, personally

[urban kite]

fair enough

[rigid fox]

Quick question. I'm currently in t4 and can't reasonable afford the concrete for a 48 encased P/m build. Is there any way to lessen the limestone cost; currently 725?

[glossy schooner]

they're fun, but nothing i've built, outside my alu factory, would even make sense with trains

[rigid fox]

Using encased pipe alt

[urban kite]

wet concrete alternate?

[ashen girder]

Why are you trying to build 48 HMFs/min at T4?

[glossy schooner]

my belt lines simply do not run that far and i have no need for storage thanks to the depo

[ashen girder]

T4 wouldn't have refineries yet.

[rigid fox]

Tier 4 sadly so no oil stuff

[urban kite]

oh

tier not phase right right

[rigid fox]

Setting up for something bigger later on, but I'm already making the ingots and everything

[glossy schooner]

encased beams i assume

manu is not in t4 is it?

[rigid fox]

Yeah encased beams

[ashen girder]

Ah, my bad.

Yeah, HMFs are T5 aren't they.

[ashen girder]

If you really want this, you can use rubber concrete or fine concrete.

It'll extend your limestone, but at the cost of quartz or oil.

[glossy schooner]

phase 3 in any case. tiers are arbitrary outside of the phase they're locked behind in my experience

also doesn't encased pipe eat less concrete

[livid meteor]

Okay, I figured something out. At least it works for my uranium recycling site

1 drone port to feed fuel

[rigid fox]

I'll probably do that then and setup quartz while I'm at it, thank you

[glossy schooner]

definitely try and find encased industrial pipes, they cost 1 less concrete/ 16.6667% less than the base recipe

[rigid fox]

Yeah I'm using it (#math-and-meta message)

also less coal/iron

[glossy schooner]

im dented whoops

[rigid fox]

dwLike I'm getting 30 steel pipes and perms p/m and 48.333 encased beams on 600 iron and coal

[glossy schooner]

yeah rubber or fine are your only options outside of overclock

no wet concrete pepehands

[urban kite]

sloop the concrete constructors 😉 (dont actually)

[rigid fox]

Oh yeah, it's only 290 limestone and 43.5 quarts for 241.67 concrete per minute on fine concrete; definetly will use it

Thank you

[glossy schooner]

are you overclocking your miners btw?

[rigid fox]

Yeah but I'm still on tier ones

[glossy schooner]

isn't mk2 miner in phase 2?

[rigid fox]

I'm setting up steel alongside this so I'm going step by step

I don't even have a frame setup yet but I wanted to have infostructure for mk3 conveyers

[glossy schooner]

that's a bit too much forward planning for my tastes but if it works it works

honestly? just hand craft or assemble some EIB for mk2 miners

[ashen girder]

Overplanning has a nasty way of punking people in this game.

[plain rivet]

i feel attacked.

[ashen girder]

It ain't personal.

[plain rivet]

look i can't setup my starter iron factory until i have pure ingots

[livid meteor]

Do we know how many uranium fuel rods a drone burns per minute?

Or how long one lasts?

[ashen girder]

And I beat the game with 270 crude worth of turbo fuel. 😉

[sick girder]

I've got a factory that utilizes the maximum output from a train station with two freight platforms with Mk5 belts given that it's all I have access to atm. Even though I have trains constantly unloading with one waiting to take the place of the docking train at any given time, the factory cant keep up on the silica being dropped. Even with 0 delay, is it impossible to fully utilize a freight station's max output due to docking time? I'd like to optimize all my trains properly here.

[ashen girder]

I'm pretty sure it's more like hours per rod. The drone itself has a number that means something, but I couldn't tell you what.

[ashen girder]

is it impossible to fully utilize a freight station's max output due to docking time?
Correct.

[rigid fox]

just unlock refiners using calc 🤔

[sick girder]

RIP me

[livid meteor]

Okay becuase if it would be 1 rod per minute it would be a waste

[ashen girder]

Generally you can't get above 1.8 belts worth out of a platform because of it.

[gleaming shuttle]

yeah i just simplify things and assume 1 unloading platform = 1 belt

[ashen girder]

But make sure you use both belts in that situation.

[gleaming shuttle]

have 2 belts lead into an industrial container with 1 belt coming out of it

[magic island]

in fact, if you have trains "constantly unloading" at one train station, that will drastically lower your throughput because the belts stop while the trains are doing that

[sick girder]

Thanks for the tips, I'll have to adjust the blueprint I made for the pickup/dropoff part of trains

[livid meteor]

Not bad, I could potentially produce 19.2 plutonium rods per minute

[torpid gorge]

Mmmm yummy 1000 aluminum a min

[gleaming shuttle]

if youre not making 60 pasta / min are you even a satisfactory player

[torpid gorge]

My second plant once i get mk3 miner abt to produce 5k aluminum a min

[rigid fox]

Speaking of planning, I might not be able to reasonably do the fine concrete

[glossy schooner]

i'm still figuring out how to use the obscene amount of aluminum my alu plant already makes

most of it is going into a sink

[sick girder]

How much you got?

[rigid fox]

the only nodes near me are in the cave near the four normal coals in the northern forrest

[glossy schooner]

yeah i'm not exactly a big fan of fine conc for that reason

[lethal condor]

This cave is the bane of my existence

[rigid fox]

fr

at least it has a sam and tons of slugs

[lethal condor]

I ended up putting a wet quartz plant on the east entrance

Using the one normal node that's in there

[glossy schooner]

reminds me to set up shipping for the cave so i never have to go in and interact with the locals

[lethal condor]

I'm gonna bring the 2 pure nodes out of the west side

[glossy schooner]

belts or trucks is the question though

[lethal condor]

And then use drones to move stuff

Fuck trucks lmao they get stuck on hills in that area

[glossy schooner]

just pave all over it

[rigid fox]

Also, is this worth rescanning?

[lethal condor]

I wanted to drive on natural terrain tho

[rigid fox]

Or is copper rotor good

[lethal condor]

For the aesthetics

[lethal condor]

Molded steel pipe is okay

[glossy schooner]

asphalt roads are pretty aesthetic

[torpid gorge]

I like the steel pipe cuz it saves a lot of footprint

[glossy schooner]

not a fan of molded steel pipe

adding limestone is not really my jam

[rigid fox]

I get the idea but there's always available building areas yk

[glossy schooner]

and steel components are dirt cheap with solid steel anyways

seriously why did they add this into the game

[rigid fox]

I'm thinking rescan

[glossy schooner]

i would rescan personally

[rigid fox]

I already have charcoal and biocol in a single hard drive so I can't roll those at least

[glossy schooner]

or just hold it for future hard drives

[rigid fox]

I think this one is obvious

[lethal condor]

Both are good

[torpid gorge]

Both good

I prefer industrial pipe

[glossy schooner]

unlucky that you got offered steel rotor alongside

[lethal condor]

Steel rotor is probably superior though

[glossy schooner]

but eip is really good

[rigid fox]

• I'm making the 48 p/m encased

[glossy schooner]

steel rotor axing screws cannot be overlooked though

[torpid gorge]

Yeah unlucky that u have to choose

I guess whatevers most immediately helpful

[glossy schooner]

only a little unlucky

they're on their way to make a eib factory rn so left is definitely more immediately useful

[wind spade]

#math-and-meta message

[ashen girder]

Steel rotor is so good for motors.

[lethal condor]

It does have good synergy with the stator recipe

[prisma kraken]

have you ever figured out a good way to square the 70/min wire you need? i've never figured that one out

[magic island]

steel rotor + iron pipe + iron wire = iron-only motor factory

[wind spade]

also = super expensive rotors

[magic island]

yeah haha

but sometimes a gimmick build is fun

[prisma kraken]

late game flexibility or just you've got tons of iron and nothing else to do with it

[ashen girder]

I don't care about round numbers. 🤷‍♂️

[torpid gorge]

Challenge make 20 hmf with vanilla recipe

One trillion iron

[prisma kraken]

its not that bad, probably around 2000/min

[torpid gorge]

Nahhhh

[torpid gorge]

Just checked its 5k lol

[magic island]

late game does kinda pressure you to use less steel so you can allocate as much coal as possible to diamonds

but in the case of motors I would shift towards copper recipes, not the exclusively iron ones

[ornate cloak]

do uranium trains stay radioactive forever or is it like real high only when the train passes full

[prisma kraken]

i just did the math with stitched plate and mod frame - came in at more like 4k

[magic island]

radioactivity is tied to the presence of radioactive items. it doesn't "linger" if the items are gone, so you wouldn't have a perma-radioactive train after it fully unloads.

[prisma kraken]

only in passing

[velvet venture]

Hi guys, in the early-mid to mid game what item malls do you recommend to be a must have?

Currently at phase 4 and I have only 4 malls. What other malls do you think i should make to make my life easier?

1>Iron Rods, Iron Plates, Reinforced Plates, Screws, Rotors, Stators, Motors, Modular Frames,

2> Steel Beam, Steel Pipe, Encased Beam, Concrete

3> Wire, Cables, Copper Sheet

4> Alclad Sheets, Alu Casings

[prisma kraken]

electronics: computers, oscillator, hsc

[unborn ermine]

Its honestly crazy that the one alt reduces the iron needed from 4800 -> 2440 ore/min, 2360 less.

[prisma kraken]

i'd toss AIL in there too

[torpid gorge]

It really is kinda crazy

My last run i only had like 3 alt recipes and literally quit at hmf lol

My fault for not knowing the usefulness of alt recipes but you know

[wind spade]

put all in depots and have 0 malls

[velvet venture]

well I do hook a depo at the end of each mall item anyway, the mall keeps the depots full at all times

[magic island]

imo if it's used to construct anything at all, set up at least a small supply factory for it. even if it's just tuned to make like 1/min

[cerulean stratus]

interesting, I'm seeing some people having perfectly good setups, but having some fluid problems with manifolds

[unborn ermine]

assuming its not looping the water?

[velvet venture]

@wind spade still having trouble with builds that look like this, I can still manage to build them in sections thats not an issue, The issue now becomes dragging enough input into these systems as they are stretched thin across the map.

Is it better to drag all of them across the map to my main base with bus networks and then use them in the main base? Or is it better to have factories nearer to the raw resources and then transport them to my main base? Im getting confused by this.

[unborn ermine]

I know it can get dicey if you have a looooong pipe, but I cant imagine its a hard problem to solve.

[cerulean stratus]

this is things like turbofuel

[unborn ermine]

so also looping, the final feeding of generators?

[cerulean stratus]

in this case it was putting the oil in the refineries

[unborn ermine]

huh

[magic island]

this is a lot of different products to put into one plan. I would split it into multiple plans, and only group products together if they're closely related / use the same resources

and if these items are all just for personal construction use, there is no reason to build them in one "mall" location when dimensional depots exist

[cerulean stratus]

there was enough refineries for all the oil perfectly, but the oil would back up and the later refineries weren't getting it

[unborn ermine]

Yeah at that point I dont know
I just setup myself my caterium ingots with 20 machines to do 480 ore/min.
water was playing nice with the exact values AND was needing pumps.

[ashen girder]

Can you provide more specifics?

[unborn ermine]

I think people need to let machines fill first, or have some garbage buffer at the end for filling after the machine line starts, then delete.

[fierce ruin]

anyone got that chart thing for the drone throughput?

[unborn ermine]

Isnt that the calculated values after they complete a trip in game?
or is there another thing im forgetting.

Oh wait sorry, im thinking fuel not thoughput

[velvet venture]

yeah all these dont necessarily need to be together as long as they feed into a depot. Which is the end goal and I want to be pulling them out of my inventory anyway rather than having to go visit these malls.

But even for a single item like FmF's, 8 inputs, that too with Nitrogen and Bauxite which is hard to find, that makes it even harder to find an area in common with all the rest of the 6 resources.

How do I make it easier to get all that, that too in a base far from my main base.

I have a alot of resources already pulled to my main base, but making a system here would make the main base difficult to use for anything else in the future.

[sterile tangle]

Ofc the Nuclear production valve broke...

[verbal lake]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[ashen girder]

This looks like it's working as expected. Valves aren't very precise.

[velvet venture]

thanks, read it in full. I do understand the importance of decentralizing which is what I am thinking of doing, but the mid game parts require so many types of resources which is making it difficult for me to even set up a factory for a single item. (In the example Fused MFs require 8 inputs including Bauxite and Nitrogen).

So how do I go about dealing with that.

[heavy bone]

quick question for anybody here, trying to make sure im not ghoing crazy but did coal generators always burn through coal even with no load on them

[river night]

not always, but for a long time now

[verbal lake]

find a place to make HMF for instance, then drone it to the place to finish it off for fused MF, same with other thing

[ashen girder]

Since U3 I think?

[heavy bone]

huh well thats kinda stupid

[velvet venture]

I did think about that and trains. Drones seems simpler, but dont they require batteries?

[river night]

it really doesnt matter, your resources need to be setup to support full load anyway, and this way you actually find issues in your resource supply earlier

[verbal lake]

you can use other fuels now in 1.0

[lethal condor]

Drones can take all fuels now

[verbal lake]

idk if they take biomass or coal

[lethal condor]

All generators burn fuel at a constant rate. The tooltip for the building tells you this in-game

[verbal lake]

items with the word "Fuel" in them, fair

[lethal condor]

Biofuel gens reduce burn rate based on load

[mossy trail]

I need help with liquids again. I produce 260 Turbofuel and thep package it all with 8 packagers. All pipes are filled. All packagers work at 100% effeciency. But for some reason one of my refineries work at ~90% effeciency.

[wind spade]

you shouldn't use valves

[lethal condor]

Did you put down pipe junctions first, or put them on top of existing pipes?

[mossy trail]

I don't remember. Maybe it was a mix

[lethal condor]

Reconnect your pipes

[sterile tangle]

Good to know a feature expected to be reliable isnt reliable in this very stressful 7 day project moment

[lethal condor]

This is when you connect pipes to junctions

And when you put junctions on top of pipes

Notice the extra length

[sterile tangle]

Anyway i heard bottom pipes are prioritised - so the pipe will first empty the blenders in this setup right?

[lethal condor]

That's where your missing fluid has gone

It's a small additional volume per junction, but it adds up over long manifolds

[mossy trail]

And what is a good method? The first or the second?

[lethal condor]

You want to reduce the length of pipes, so place your junction first

Or place it over a pipe, then delete the pipes and reconnect them

Do the same with all valves and pumps, too

They have the same issue

[mossy trail]

But how it affect on refineries?

[lethal condor]

Pipes have a throughput. The longer your pipe the longer it takes for fluid to get to the end, and the extra volume might never fill due to 'work pressure'

If the pipe is too long then fluid never gets to the other end, or it gets there very very slowly

Pipes work best when the volume is fully filled

[mossy trail]

The pipes are full

I double checked all of them

[vapid gorge]

avoid valves they don't let flow through properly

[lethal condor]

Maybe one of your refineries is backed up on heavy oil

[mossy trail]

For some reason the last refinery in the line is full of fuel

[lethal condor]

Not outputting fast enough

[mossy trail]

The fuel not goes out of the refinery fast enough

[lethal condor]

Place a pump right after that output

So it pushes the fluid through

Place another pump at the end of the refinery manifold to help

People say you don't need pumps on horizontal lines, but I've found that putting them down on long manifolds solves all my pipe throughput issues

[wind spade]

looping long manifolds is better

[lethal condor]

I haven't had issues since I started pumping horizontals

I've got some lengthy lines

[mossy trail]

I looped the packager part (8 packagers). But it's only 5 refineries

[mossy trail]

Where do you place your pipes?

[lethal condor]

Like this, for these lines

Sometimes like this for space

[verbal lake]

this happens for me too, and the pumps claim they're adding headlift, even though all is entirely flat 🤷🏿‍♂️

[lethal condor]

Yeah they'll do that just because machine inputs/outputs aren't exactly level

[mossy trail]

But where are your pipes? At the beginning of the manifold?

[verbal lake]

either way, I manifold liquids just like I do all other machines and that solves my issues when any have arisen

[lethal condor]

Oh they loop in from around the corner

[mossy trail]

I mean, is there any principle or rule that should be used when placing a pump?

[lethal condor]

I have 80 refineries making HOR. 40 is going up to make turbo heavy fuel, 40 is going into making diluted fuel for recycled rubber and plastic

[mossy trail]

The pump helped me here, thank you!

[lethal condor]

I place pumps every 10 machines or so (on one line)

10 refineries, 10 fuel gens, etc

They're not always needed at the start of a long manifold, but they can help push through fluid that's stuck in the first couple machines

Since when you place a pump right after a junction, that junction is 'prioritized' by the pump so it'll "suck" the fluid away from the other branches to go down the pipe's branch first

(I have spent 100 hours diagnosing issues with this fluid system) 😵

I'm never making manifolded fluid lines this long again lmao

[unborn ermine]

hmm sounds like a loop solvable problem tbh?
one long ugly loop vs pump power.

[lethal condor]

Possibly yes, but my lines were too long for a loop to look aesthetically pleasing

[rich depot]

does anyone know a more efficent way of making ai expansion servers so i dont need to find 1476 coal per min

[verbal lake]

pump just "feels" better

[sterile tangle]

Do you also love it when your entire production is failing only to find out you accidentally placed a MK3 lift on a MK4 belt creating a bottleneck this whole time?

[livid meteor]

Is it really not worth to use plutonium rods?

I mean I can make sooo many of them and it seems like crazy big energy

[scarlet sky]

SCIM can be useful there with its "upgrade belts" option, works for pipes too, when you upgrade a bunch of pipes but leave one little eensy weensy mk.1 segment somewhere

[edgy leaf]

using them? totally worth it if u dont mind the waste. using them and processing the waste? probably not worth it

[livid meteor]

but why? I can't imagine it takes more energy to recycle the waste than it produces

[lethal condor]

You can use ficsonium now to get rid of the waste

[livid meteor]

Yea but I've seen people in here saying it's not worth to recycle

[lethal condor]

Recycling the plutonium waste into a clean loop

¯_(ツ)_/¯

FICSIT does not waste

It's a sandbox game. "Worth" is subjective.

[livid meteor]

It just seems like not caring about plutonium backfires quick cuz the storage containers fill up very quickly

Since I play on a dedicated server it probably fills up 1 container per day

[lethal condor]

You don't actually burn the fuel you sink the rods

[livid meteor]

at least

[lethal condor]

If you wanted to get rid of it that way

So you're not making plutonium waste

But if you wanted to use the rods for energy, you turn the plutoninum waste into ficsonium fuel and burn that, which has no waste products

The downside is that it costs more energy, so you're basically consuming some of your extra energy by making your fuel loop clean

[livid meteor]

well it tells me it can't be sunken

[lethal condor]

That one can't, but plutonium can

[livid meteor]

wait it costs more energy to create 1 fuel rod than 1 plutonium rod creates?

[edgy leaf]

apparently using the resources you would use for ficsonium to make more uranium fuel rods instead brings more power than burning the plutonium fuel rods and taking care of the waste with ficsonium

[lethal condor]

Yeah

[mossy trail]

Theoretically can one train wagon manage 600 items per minute? I have another train for very short distance and it fails to deliver 600 sulfur per minute.

[livid meteor]

Urgh, I hope they change that

[lethal condor]

Yes, it can

Depends on how far it has to go

[edgy leaf]

trains can do over 2000 items per minute

[livid meteor]

To be honest it seems pretty punishing if making more uranium rods gives you more energy

[mossy trail]

Its like this

[livid meteor]

then again use plutonium rods in vehicles I guess

[edgy leaf]

because you need SAM for ficsonium, and not burning plutonium at all and using the sam you would use for ficsonium rods to turn it into uranium gives more power for less effort, plus u get free plut rods for drones

tho ive never done the math myself, just repeating what i heard others say

[edgy leaf]

what speed are the belts?

[mossy trail]

mk5

[edgy leaf]

two belts on each side connected to an ISC?

[livid meteor]

I guess they should nerf the ficsonium to uranium rate then?

or increase power from ficsonium rods

[mossy trail]

Oh, maybe it's because recieving platfor is full of sulfur already

[edgy leaf]

*sam to uranium. and they shouldnt. they should make ficsonium rods cheaper or make them give more power.

[edgy leaf]

it can only ever transfer as much as u take out

[livid meteor]

Wait a second, plutonium fuel rods can't be sunken?

oh wait I made cells not rods

[lethal condor]

Are you using a buffer on the output station?

[mossy trail]

Nope, already fixing this

[lethal condor]

Ie an industrial storage container with both inputs hooked up so the platform outputs at twice the speed it brings in

Ahh yeah there’s the issue

[gritty garnet]

whats the best turbofuel steup for 1.0

[lethal condor]

Blended

Prior to that turbo heavy fuel

[vapid gorge]

define 'best' ?
most TF per oil?

[tidal arrow]

i have a big problem lel

[vapid gorge]

and Turbo Heavy is almost objectively the worst

[rocky tusk]

is that mainly because you can't use diluted fuel in the recipe?

[lethal condor]

Turbo heavy is great because I use the resin to make polymer products

[vapid gorge]

yeah it's really oil inneficient

[vapid gorge]

and you get resin from the Heavy Oil Residue alt iirc

[lethal condor]

Oh I’m conflating my recipes again

[gritty garnet]

I want a sulfur and coal efficient design, i have access to 1800 oil and I cant access the blender cause I'm in phase 3

[gleaming shuttle]

it isnt worth making turbofuel with the compacted coal byproduct from rocket fuel right?

like mathematically its better to just use that fuel for more rocket fuel

[rocky tusk]

Not for power as I found out

[gleaming shuttle]

ive been kinda implicitly assuming this but have been too lazy to do the math

[rocky tusk]

with turbo fuel and then without turbofuel

optimizing for 600 oil

comparing the 105000 power generated vs 144000

Also, this is the first time I've ever done fuel generators aside from turning heavy oil residue from the byproduct of base plastic and rubber recipes into fuel. Turning 600 oil into 2400 rocket fuel powering 576 fuel generators is crazy

[vapid gorge]

HOR -> diluted fuel -> base turbo

[near garden]

Yes, just burn it in coal gen or use it for another recipes

time and power to make extra turbofuel is meh

[true junco]

Worth is always subjective

[gleaming shuttle]

in terms of power generation

[near garden]

So it will worth extra 15 GW if you want.

but with an extra oil node, and bunch of machine

[cerulean stratus]

What is this planner

[near garden]

satisfactory calculator site

[cerulean stratus]

Ah I see

[gleaming shuttle]

with an extra oil node
yes, and i was asking explicitly about the comparison to using that oil node for rocket fuel instead

[gleaming shuttle]

.

[prisma kraken]

yeah, sftools is a bit better than scim's factory calculator

[gleaming shuttle]

i know that making more turbofuel produces more power than doing nothing, im not an idiot

i am asking comparatively

anyway, the spreadsheet breakdown is useful, thanks

seems like its not worth it even if it saves some sulfur

[prisma kraken]

the different tf chains normalized to 600 sulfur, with nitro rocket fuel tossed in for comparison:

tl;dr if you have a fixed amt of oil and can vary the sulfur, use default turbofuel, if you have a fixed sulfur budget and can vary the crude oil input, use blended tf. if you just want an easy build that gets you rocket fuel, use nitro

[near garden]

Don't know if the math checks out, FYR

[prisma kraken]

I'll add that default tf and blended tf make around the same amt of power if you factor in the production costs and mj values of the inputs

[torn plaza]

though default will eat all of your sulphur

[prisma kraken]

there's enough on the map

[urban kite]

I just skip tf entirely and do nitro rocket

[prisma kraken]

and you can always make more from limestone or iron

[torn plaza]

i prefer turbo blend, uses more oil which is plentiful, and less sulphur which has other uses; though for rocket fuel, still useful to use a little default turbofuel to eat the compacted coal byproduct

[prisma kraken]

and if you are a sadist and wish to make it into ionized fuel, you get refunded 75% of the sulfur in the form of compacted coal

[rocky tusk]

depending on how much oil you want to use, I found it quite inefficient to make turbo fuel afterwards. Although I don't have another use for the compacted coal, so I just sink it

[torn plaza]

think you mean masochist and hell naw; rocket fuel for power, ionised fuel for rockets

[prisma kraken]

i'm planning on making steel with it

[near garden]

I use it for smokeless gunpowder, for science only

[rocky tusk]

funny enough, assuming you use 0 alternate recipes for the ionized fuel, you actually end up with a lower net power per 600 oil than just stopping at rocket fuel

[tidal arrow]

i need help figuring out how to evenly split

2 outputs into 32

[scarlet sky]

Divide it in half, 5 times

[rocky tusk]

just split em by 2 5 times

[tidal arrow]

ty

so each splitter will get 2 splitters until its all even?

[scarlet sky]

Yeah just only use 2 of the three outputs, and do it 5 times

[tidal arrow]

gotcha

[rocky tusk]

but yeah, no alt recipes produces 200GW, but spends ~80GW to produce for a net of 120, compared to a net of ~139GW from raw rocket fuel

[tidal arrow]

what about that simple line (forgor the name) but it takes longer due to factory ratio

[near garden]

Inefficient, but cool

[rocky tusk]

for sure, plus you get the benefit of using ionized fuel in your jetpack

[fathom ice]

any way to unbug the byproducts from satisfactory tools?

or what causes it ?

[fervent notch]

I need to start thinking about Nuclear Power. Can someone point me in the right direction to learn how to do it right?

[scarlet sky]

@fathom ice I have an even weirder bug for you

[fathom ice]

are there any other tools like that one that dont bug out with complex builds ?

[rocky tusk]

I mean, that's usually a pretty great visualizer that doesn't usually bug out

haven't used it in a long time since I made my own tool, so 🤷‍♂️

[scarlet sky]

@wind spade wrote it, I assume using an open solver that occasionally needs some tweaking

[fathom ice]

whats your own tool ?

[rocky tusk]

that spreadsheet

doesn't make trees, but it does calculate materials, machine counts and I can put in alternate recipes, as well as multiple outputs, and I can even account for brought in materials

[fathom ice]

nice

what radio control unit alt recipe do you guys use ?

[verbal lake]

radio connection

[rocky tusk]

that's a lot of caterium

I'd probably use radio control system, and change what circuit board recipe i use based on the materials available

[verbal lake]

i like it because i can make it with just quartz, caterium and aluminum

[fervent notch]

I need to start thinking about Nuclear Power. Can someone point me in the right direction to learn how to do it right?

[sinful oasis]

is feeding a sloppy alumina manifold entirely through somered aluminum scrap byproduct water even possible because no matter what I do it'll keep backing up in the return pipes

I'm about to just give up, throw down a bunch of water extractors and lay pipes across the desert

[woeful geode]

When trying to go up hill with train tracks how do you keep it from dipping into the ground?

[scarlet sky]

Foundations but otherwise I gave up on that and deal with some clipping

[woeful geode]

They wont derail?

[scarlet sky]

Nope, you can clip tracks right through rock and the trains don't care

[rigid fox]

Quick question. For phase 2, how much of everything should I be making? I don't want to make too much or too little p/m

[woeful geode]

Awesome, Thank you

[scarlet sky]

One update put a giant 200M rock formation in the middle of a pair of tracks of mine, the trains didn't give a shit

[sinful oasis]

only thing trains collide with are other trains

[rigid fox]

Any suggestions?

[lethal condor]

You can make just enough to complete it if you like

Or you can look at how much the later phases need, since you turn earlier phase products into later ones by adding more complex components

[rigid fox]

Should I automate it?

[lethal condor]

You should automate everything tbh

Unless you're lazy like me and just want to unlock specific tech before I make my factories

So I can hunt for alt recipes, since those don't become available for the item until you unlock that item

[vapid gorge]

you can't really future plan - if you want a non thinking approach

1 node's worth of every basic item. Mix as needed

have buffers at the end of production lines to catch a bunch of extras

[lethal condor]

Yep. I use smart splitters to load into storage, then overflow into a sink when that fills up. And now since 1.0, it all goes into a depot.

[vapid gorge]

eh, if you don't sink everything it saves a bunch on power and hte machines act as extra buffer

[lethal condor]

Yes but TICKETS

[unborn ermine]

also some semblance of a "stable" power supply and use.

[lethal condor]

I like my machines running all the time because I hate the environment

[sinful oasis]

first set of refineries cost 1050 water total, second set produce 1260. 120 water/minute difference. Easy just sink the excess 120 with wet concrete until you can figure out what else you wanna do with it later. Simple stuff!

So why are they all empty now?? x_x

[prisma kraken]

i wonder if it has something to do with that fluid buffer i see between the refineries (runs and hides)

[sinful oasis]

that's just the alumina. It helps the scrap refineries not back up the sloppy alumin refineries when the pipes get backed up with water again

if someone wants to actually look at this I can take some better pics

[prisma kraken]

it should not need to

[magic island]

if you set up a fluid loop without any outside source feeding it (ie, nitric acid <-> water in plutonium processing, dark matter residue neutral power shards, etc), there is the risk it will eventually run dry even if it's apparently balanced

[sinful oasis]

oh welp

yeah that makes sense I suppose. This whole setup needs 1050 water/minute, wondering if just a single water extractor would be enough to help supplement it...

[prisma kraken]

here's the thing, output belts of these machines have to always be moving, any sort of pause causes water to back up and the fresh water to fill the pipes too much

people swear up and down about one design for the piping or another being bullet proof

[sinful oasis]

they are. The belts work perfectly and the scrap is not leading to any backups

[prisma kraken]

the trick isn't the piping, its that the production cannot ever pause

[sinful oasis]

it's purely the water backing up in the alumina scrap refineries

like it happened again >_>

[loud ivy]

Attached is a terrible drawing of my overclocked fuel gens and the pipes for them...

They eventually run of out fuel (refiners are overclocked and the math checks out)

This is the only reason I can think of for why they are running out...

Is the two off to the left (which almost always seems to stay full of fuel)

Causing the issue?

[prisma kraken]

put an overflow sink on your output ingot line

[ashen girder]

Don't forget to sacrifice three goats, a lot of people miss that step.

[sinful oasis]

I did. They all have sinks on their lines, there's zero backup on the scrap refinery line.

just until I can troubleshoot this water issue

[ashen girder]

I'd be interested in looking at it if you'd be willing to send me your save via DM.

[sinful oasis]

sure! I've been mulling over this all day lol

[magic island]

it's not even an issue of pauses or backups. sometimes fluid within a system gradually vanishes if it doesn't have an external source.

I once had a save where my plutonium plant fed the nitric acid with water from the fertile uranium. the amounts matched up exactly, so the loop should have worked. but eventually all the water and acid in the loop vanished, despite there being nowhere else it could've gone

[prisma kraken]

last time i had an issue like that, it was because i had a machine misclocked

[ashen girder]

There was a bug for some period of time where every time you loaded a save, machines disappeared their input liquid buffers. That's been fixed for awhile.

[sinful oasis]

it's either the fluid's backing up or just gone depending on my fix. Right now it's still backing up

[lethal condor]

Check out this discussion I had earlier #math-and-meta message

[deep nebula]

I need to know if I am overthinking this because I've been working on a steel smelting balancer. I have 3 pure MK2 miners on iron and coal. So 3x240 iron and 3x240 coal. With the default recipe that is enough for 16 foundries.

So my splitting setup for each belt is: 240 -> 2x120 -> 4x60 -> 8x30 .. then I split 3 of the 30's into 6x15 and merge 5 of those back with the 5 30's for 5x45 with 15 left over. This setup 3 times with each 15 that is left over for the 16th 45.

My friend came up with the solution to split the first 2 belts into 30's only and only the last one to 15's and then merge those together. Either way it's going to be a pretty big splitting setup. Anyone have done something similar or is my thinking completely wrong for this?

[ashen girder]

I'm just waiting for coupons, if you wanna send it to me I'll see if I can diagnose it!

[sinful oasis]

where's the save located again?

[ashen girder]

%LOCALAPPDATA%\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames

[sinful oasis]

ty!

[magic island]

well, I did run into a similar issue in 1.0 with my Ionized fuel plant.

the power shard residue was piped into accelerators that produced exactly enough dark matter crystals to make more shards. but the residue and crystals dried up anyway

[prisma kraken]

you are overthinking

[prisma kraken]

you have 270 belts, correct?

[deep nebula]

yes

[prisma kraken]

what is 270/45?

[deep nebula]

oh, so overclock the miners?

[prisma kraken]

yep, clock them up to output a full belt & split it 6 ways

[lethal condor]

Always fully overclock your miners

[magic island]

miners are the number 1 thing to overclock

[lethal condor]

At least up to whatever your max belt capacity is

[deep nebula]

Okay, thanks a bunch!

[lethal condor]

Same with any production building

[magic island]

any other machine, you can build more of. nodes are limited, push the miners as far as you can

[prisma kraken]

this also works nicely for the default concrete recipe

[autumn herald]

what is the best aluminum set up with one 240 bauxite node

[jagged shoal]

Just made a guide on placing angled foundations after I figured out how to align them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/satisfactory/comments/1ftcr1l/how_to_create_mathematically_perfect_angled/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[lethal condor]

That's a pretty complicated way to do it

There's a much easier trick with walkways

[prisma kraken]

is that a pure or normal node?

[leaden depot]

Is it normal to have a net surplus of dark matter? My spreadsheet says my alien power matrix + power shards + elevator stuff will have extra dark matter.

[jagged shoal]

Link?

[autumn herald]

normal with m2 miner

[lethal condor]

Bitz has a clip on the technique https://www.twitch.tv/its_bitz/clip/InventiveGiantKumquatWow-Sko9BnCyJghKP-pT?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

You have a bunch of unnecessary steps for the nudge method, too

[prisma kraken]

if you can find a nearby pure node (there's usually one in a group), its better for an intro baux build

bauxite is really much nicer to build for 600 input

[lethal condor]

You literally just need to nudge 4 and 4, then place. Then just place a foundation underneath the one you just placed

[jagged shoal]

Mmhm well I did just figure it out today so makes sense you can make it more efficient

[cursive heron]

well ok I'm seeing the problem with using iron for ficsite ingot, its 4 reanimated sam for 1 ficsite. Caterium recipe needs 3, aluminum needs 2

[jagged shoal]

Problem with this is snapping in the blueprint area gets weird.

[cursive heron]

sam becomes the limiting factor

[lethal condor]

That's fine, you can use the method everyone used pre-nudge

Which is to place down walkways alongside the foundation to guide the placement

There's another clip, let me grab it

[autumn herald]

why is it nicer to have 600? im using 3 refineries total to make the alumina scrap and 240 aluminum ingot

[magic island]

surpluses and deficits of dark matter residue are both possible & normal, depending what you're making

[prisma kraken]

it is nicer because you won't need to rebuild it

[vapid gorge]

the simplest method to avoid that is to have the waste water NOT mix with fresh water in the first place

[lethal condor]

https://youtu.be/cuebs3Irbbs?feature=shared&t=49

Here's a video on it from a while ago

That specific way is the sharp curve method

[toxic dove]

been using this method
this works pretty well