math-and-meta

[fringe pawn]

Nope. Just going to bury the plutonium waste and let the radiation build up in the SE corner. If I calculated things right, even at a max plutonium burning setup (fertile uranium and other nonsense) you have at least 5 years of runtime before it's a problem.

[grand osprey]

No, nothing is overclocked.....though I am noticing some of the fuel gens aren't getting any fuel again, which is weird, the refineries providing the fuel are all green and constantly going

[dire dew]

if they WAS working then its not a flow issue, maybe u miscalculate how many gens u needed for the fuel your making ? 😮 double check the math :S?

[thorn bane]

ah i see
then ye probably nothing beats that

[grand osprey]

Here's what I've been using, the 2400 allows me to use 120 fuel gens, 5 groups of 24 which I've done

[dire dew]

if you lost green lights then ur probs using more fuel than whats coming out ? 😮

[dire dew]

is that polymer resin going to an awesome sink? because if chest fills then residue stops being produced? check for any yellow lights

[grand osprey]

It is being sinked for now, i have a use for it later when i get this sorted out

[fringe pawn]

fwiw I did my first 1.0 playthrough using only diluted fuel and augmenters.

WEll, and coal and bioburners.

[scarlet sky]

*sunk

[thorn bane]

oh god xD

[fringe pawn]

Honestly wasn't even that bad. Numbers aren't crazy on phase 5 stuff.

[dire dew]

hmm, im no expert with packaged water*, but i understand u need load balancing, so check for yellow lights where those are concerned to make sure there all ok?

[thorn bane]

did you sloop overclock encoders?
those things inhale power

[fringe pawn]

Diluted fuel is still simply too good, I'm surprised they didn't nerf it

[scarlet sky]

Oh jesus wtf I just realized I haven't unlocked diluted fuel yet...

[fringe pawn]

Yep

[thorn bane]

dayum

[grand osprey]

seems my heavy oil isn't getting to where it need to go....might have to balance the pipe somehow

[dire dew]

yeah try pump it forward so it cant backflow blocking refinery exits + giving headlift

[fringe pawn]

Part of it was I batched different things. So I wasn't running pasta at the same time as warp drives. Peak power consumption was 3 slooped (100% clock) particle accelerators doing pasta.

6k peak power each

[dire dew]

least you found the potential problem causer 😄

[scarlet sky]

I wanna build a fuel gen plant, but not with the vanilla fuel recipe. I can either reroll/save scum, or go on an adventure...

[fringe pawn]

On this playthrough I'm not researching augmenters so I have 104 sloops for 26 250% warp drive builders.

[thorn bane]

damn thats crazy
im curious how are you dealing with dark matter residue?
are you making power shards?

[fringe pawn]

Dark matter residue actually becomes a limiting factor, you want more of it.

Underlying that, SAM is the most valuable resource.

[thorn bane]

ye thats why the power shards
they are DMR positive

its 60 DRM -> 4.8 crystals but only consumes 2

[fringe pawn]

Right, basically any way to make as much DMR as possible using resources that aren't SAM

[thorn bane]

which one did you chose? oscillators? ai xepansion thingies?

[fringe pawn]

AI expansion

[thorn bane]

ah i see
ye makes sense for points i guess

[fringe pawn]

Well, both are in there, I forget why I ended up with the balance I did

[thorn bane]

its such a weird but cool way of balancing a factory
i sadly just dont have it in me to build that many machines xD

[dire dew]

dealing with nuke waste hurt my brain

l0l ^ ?

[thorn bane]

wait till you see ficsonium

[fringe pawn]

It looks like my current plan gives 2.5 plutonium rods per minute for drones. But it doesn't look like the wiki has info on what exactly that means at this point.

It's too bad I can't put the extra uranium in the converter for something.

[loud ivy]

What should I be making right now with 300 resin per minute 🤔

[orchid pond]

clothmaxxing

[dire dew]

whatever u like, can do plastic/rubber/fabric or just dump it in the sink

[loud ivy]

What app is this

[fringe pawn]

Just to be sure, is Satisfactory Tools is showing average power consumption (peak power consumption)

[dire dew]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production its a website 🙂

[loud ivy]

If I set up a splitter with one output to storage and 1 to sink, if the storage fills up could it clog the other splitter output preventing it from dumping excess into the sink?

[dire dew]

smart splitter

[thorn bane]

yes

[dire dew]

u set it to "overflow" to the sink to achieve this

[loud ivy]

Oh I don't think I've actually tried smart splitters yet, it actually has an overflow setting for one of the outputs?

[dire dew]

yes, if you do what you said then it will 50/50 to your storage + sink until your storage chest is full.... the smart splitter makes it 100% to storage till its full, then sinks extra 🙂

can be very important for late game setups involving oil/aluminium to prevent machines backing up

[radiant lance]

it's also very useful for making priority systems in general. if you're making a material that is being used for another part but still want some in storage, you can set overflow to go into storage

[gleaming shuttle]

also simple stuff like prioritizing dimensional depots or sorting input items (e.g. having a storage box you just throw stuff into that gets sorted automatically and processed into biofuel)

[thorn bane]

i actually like 50/50 storage/other production 🤷
that way you get both and once storage is full, its still 100%

[gleaming shuttle]

smart splitters can also be used for machine logistics on shared belts but you have to be careful

can simplify small-scale manufacturer setups and stuff

[loud ivy]

The devs just sitting on the dimensional depot this whole time... It's so epic

[radiant lance]

better to send it all to the production line and only let it go into storage if the production line can't take anymore

[gleaming shuttle]

but doesnt scale well

i mean if thats your scheme you dont really need smart splitters for it

just make your storage output directly into the production line

[remote ice]

i've started having lines feed into a awesome sink if the output overflows

[gleaming shuttle]

smart splitters are actually useful for the opposite case, where you want to prioritize storage over production

[remote ice]

it keeps things more consistent than having it back up

[gleaming shuttle]

e.g. building materials on lines that dont need to be running at 100% constantly

or stealing coal from a weapons factory and sending it to fuel trucks

[radiant lance]

true lmao

[dire dew]

i just stick a mercer box and a conveyer lift on every single item i produce to storage now, perma have every item in the game lol

never have to run around to grab this or that, i just have it 😄

[sand furnace]

Ahh. Pure Caterium Vs Tempered Caterium?

[gleaming shuttle]

pure caterium has the usual tradeoff of being technically more resource-efficient but using way more power and space and being more complex

[radiant lance]

tempered caterium is a bit worse on caterium to ingot ratio, cheaper power wise due to better throughput and not using the refinery, but needs petro coke (good if you have it, annoying if you don't)

[gleaming shuttle]

tempered caterium is fine but not really a standout use of petroleum coke

[sand furnace]

Super. Im looking for stretching my Caterium out as far as it can

[obsidian trench]

Does anyone have experience with building train stations all over the world that deliver raw or slighty process resources to a central mega factory roughly in the middle of the world?
Is it a good strategy or more hassle than its worth? Im trying to find a strategy that can last me till the end of the game and I do like the look/feel of a mega build instead of having tons of smaller factories all over.

[gleaming shuttle]

if you have a bunch of petroleum coke lying around, you should probably be prioritizing coke steel over tempered caterium by-the-numbers

[dire dew]

i just did regular smelted on 1 node and got to p5 no probs lol

[gleaming shuttle]

but tempered caterium is fine too

[radiant lance]

if you want to stretch it the best ratio is leached > pure = tempered

i actually was wrong, they have the same ratio

[dire dew]

just need a few ai + high speeds + some wire and ur gold

[radiant lance]

they both use 2 ore for 1 ingot

[gleaming shuttle]

if you use leached recipes you are actually crazy tho

[radiant lance]

oh absolutely lmfao

gotta get those mf leached iron ingots 💪

[sand furnace]

Ill stick to pure caterium then. Trying to get the most out of a 300 node for a project

[gleaming shuttle]

yeah that sounds like a reasonable use case for pure caterium

i dont like using pure recipes for stuff like iron because you need to set up so many refineries

but with caterium youre usually only tapping 1-2 nodes at once

[radiant lance]

yeah pure recipes are annoying

[gleaming shuttle]

so its more reasonable

[dire dew]

like 10 high speed and 5 ai limit is plenty enough for a long while to get to p5

[verbal lake]

that's why blueprints are good

[gleaming shuttle]

even with blueprints its a pain

you still gotta set up the water and pipe it in

[dire dew]

could even do 5 of each no problemo + sloop them later :p

[obsidian trench]

(Its also a lot more power)

[gleaming shuttle]

making water extractors aesthetically pleasing is a whole ordeal

[obsidian trench]

Refinery takes 30MW while a smelter takes 6, plus the Water Extractors

[radiant lance]

i hate water extractors so much

when I get fracking i'm unironically going to prioritise water from that over extractors

[dire dew]

the only way is to put underwater foundation so they "snap" then remove foundation after lol

[gleaming shuttle]

yeah i know that trick but its still awkward

[dire dew]

yea i get what you mean, such a odd shape and size to deal with

[gleaming shuttle]

fsr the placement mechanics for water extractors feel weird

the footprint is so awkward

[sand furnace]

Oh definitely, this is just for a project of making the most out of what I have for a fun project

[gleaming shuttle]

i wish water wells were more power-efficient than water extractors

[radiant lance]

yeah it's really silly considering how limited water wells are + how easy it is to get water from extractors

[gleaming shuttle]

it makes sense "flavour-wise"

irl, fracking for water is a really dumb way to get water lmao

but it does make them feel kinda pointless

[night pasture]

I havn't tried them, do you even get that much out of them?

[gleaming shuttle]

i still use them if theyre nearby though

[radiant lance]

you get a good amount, depends on the purity of the wells surrounding the source though

[gleaming shuttle]

at max overclock theyre the same as any fluid node, so 75/150/300 per well

[night pasture]

not really worth it then

just run some pipes from a nearby ocean

[gleaming shuttle]

yeah the power costs break even relative to water extractors at 15 nodes

but no well in the game has 15 nodes, so

[radiant lance]

still worth it in my heart because don't need to pipe from the ocean + cool building go boom + don't need to think about the evil water extractor on my shoulder

[fringe pawn]

Hm, found a Reddit post claiming .06 plutonium rods per trip for drones. Excellent.

[verbal lake]

lol

[modern rose]

Can someone gimme a rule of thumb for the Coal generators

[radiant lance]

8 coal gens need 3 extractors

[modern rose]

K ty

[gleaming shuttle]

watch pipe throughput though

1 pipe isnt enough to transport all that water, 2 is

(or a mk2 pipe)

[modern rose]

How many coal miners does one need for all 8

[prisma kraken]

i'm not saying you are incorrect, but your verbage isn't accurate

[gleaming shuttle]

max flow, sorry

youre right

[radiant lance]

8 gens at standard clock speed use 120 coal

[prisma kraken]

one pipe segment does not have capacity to transfer all the water, but a network of mk1 pipes in an injected manifold configuration is sufficient

[modern rose]

K ty

[tropic mason]

whats the advantage of trains over belts, it seems that a train loading station can only provide a maximum of 1.5 belts worth of throughput for a like 1000x spatial footprint

[dire dew]

i prefer to do 1 water extract / 2 gens and undclock it

[viral fog]

better make more pipes and feed

[gleaming shuttle]

this is still 2 separate pipes though

[dire dew]

many. throughput for one, the ability to call items from factory a to b, the ability to drive on your rails cause you spread to many factory 😄

takes a while to set up but very worth

[gleaming shuttle]

in the sense that your manifold is separated from your extractors by 2 different pipes

[prisma kraken]

if that's your jawn, cool, you just need to inject the water into the generator manifold after some generators take some out

[gleaming shuttle]

and you dont need an injection configuration per se, a 2-sided manifold works just as well

[prisma kraken]

that's kind of the same thing as an injected manifold

[gleaming shuttle]

eh i guess

[dire dew]

it all works, using 3 on 1 manifold require specific placement though but it works

[gleaming shuttle]

when i think of "injected manifold" i imagine injecting midway in

to "refresh" it

but i guess it does work out to be the same thing

[tropic mason]

ya i do love the train network and has many QoL advantages, from a purely throughput view they seem pretty useless if only 1.5x capacity

[prisma kraken]

yeah, topologically they're much the same

[dire dew]

its a burden to start, but the more you expand upon it the better it gets, it becomes a "global belt"

[radiant lance]

from purely throughput, the objectively best logistics method in the game is belts and only belts

[prisma kraken]

you aren't thinking wide if you think trains are only 1.5x capacity

[dire dew]

it was mission critical for me doing p4, cause this factory needed that and that factory needed this, and no way i was belting 1/2k distance lol

[radiant lance]

however, consider: that sucks balls actually. trains are fucking cool and they make things a lot easier

[prisma kraken]

multiple train cars let you parallelize transfers at much higher than belt speed

[gleaming shuttle]

yeah everything in the game is ultimately limited by belts

train stations require belts to take output from for example

so trains will never be higher throughput than belts

but once you have a train network set up, theyre much easier to manage at scale (and imo more fun)

[radiant lance]

when will coffee stain let us connect train stations to building inputs 😔

[tropic mason]

yes i completely agree but take wet concrete for example if overclock (reducing number of machines important to avoid lag etc etc) they take 300/m so a loading station cant quite service 6 refineries and a loading station is the footprint of 4 refineries

[prisma kraken]

a single platform/train car won't be, but more platforms/more trains do end up far exceeding belts

[gleaming shuttle]

if you wanna reduce lag you probably shouldnt be using wet concrete

[dire dew]

while yes, limited by belts, a train can handle multiple carts of belts, rather than you having to drive 4 belts to 1 central location, the train do that job for you, and the more you need to do it the more beneficial it becomes to just have a rail rather than 100s of belts running around the world

[gleaming shuttle]

if youre allowing more loading platforms, then you can also just allow more belts

[latent anchor]

hang on a minute, I've never thought about transporting water with trains

[tropic mason]

id like to maximise to use of available resources, running into lag will be the killer that stops the factory growing so only trying to reduce where possible along the way

[latent anchor]

sounds more convenient than piping it all the way

[prisma kraken]

well yeah, throughput is about going wide

[gleaming shuttle]

this is what i mean by "manage at scale" yes

[dire dew]

for sure for sure, no right or wrong way to play though, if u wanna belt shit accross the map have fun 😄 haha

[prisma kraken]

every factory game ends up with logistics systems bottlenecks

[gleaming shuttle]

i refuse to make belts longer than a few hundred metres

[prisma kraken]

it is one of the challenges in them

[radiant lance]

my HMFs are hungry

[tropic mason]

kinda sucks we cant have dynamic station logic

[rare oar]

Math and I are not friends, If I have 450 Sulfur how many Turbo Fuel Refineries can I build?

[prisma kraken]

and when you hit that point, the solution is add more belts or trains or spaceships, etc

[radiant lance]

yeah FUCK making long belt lines. if you're over like 300 meters i'm putting a truck there

[latent anchor]

wet concrete is good, but that pure copper recipe that lets you get 2.5x copper bars is absolutely crazy

[dire dew]

luckily for you, https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production this website likes math, just set your input numbers + alt recipies 🙂

[prisma kraken]

its a trap

[latent anchor]

if coal isn't a concern you can just substitute the sulfur numbers in for the compacted coal numbers, I don't have the exact turbofuel production numbers on hand but it should help that 1 sulfur is used for 1 compact coal

[prisma kraken]

good way of spending 100 hrs building out fuel power is to use pure copper before you're making pasta

[dire dew]

i will say though, if you want your turbo setup to be a success, the math has to be EXACT 😛

[tropic mason]

would pretty much solve things, my initial plan for not having that was train collect max throughput at A delivering to B/C/D using a third input each, however.. trains are limited to <1800/m per loading station and can travel max 50s between two stations to achieve that rate, add in a third station and the max travel time drops to 20s, 4th if the train was instantly teleporting between stations purely due to the docking time the producer at A is full and has stopped/sinking

[latent anchor]

default recipes tend to be more power-efficient, refinery recipes tend to be resource-efficient (more worthwhile imo)

[dire dew]

yeah i wish you could "call" for loot too so u havent got trains driving around eternally dropping off next to nothing lol

[prisma kraken]

idk where you're getting 1800/min, train stations asymptotically approach belt speed if your trip time is long enough and stack size is large enough

[dire dew]

isnt it 2400 ? if u run two m6 into a station?

[tropic mason]

eg. 100 stack size a wagon carries 3200 so can flow out of the loading station in 80s + the 27s loading time, maximium through put is 3200 items moved in 107s

[latent anchor]

there are timetable settings for making a train wait somewhere until full/empty but there's a bug that keeps trains stuck filling forever with that, so it's a little sad (I have reported it on the official site btw)

[prisma kraken]

he's counting the ~28 seconds the belts stop as 1.5x belts

[dire dew]

yea like i have 1 train supplying 40 oil per min and it just loops eternally lol, it really doesnt need to, like 1/9 trips its doing something lol

[prisma kraken]

which isn't a very good approximation

[latent anchor]

I cannot wait for the non-crash bugfixes to start properly, making trains wait until empty saves space on the train lines, increases throughput, etc.

[jovial lichen]

Is turbo fuel worth using a sulfur node in 1.0?

[upper arrow]

quick question, will the third (right) one fill up with a manifold setup like this? i feel it should but idk sometimes

[dire dew]

yes

[latent anchor]

I'd at least recommend making jetpack fuel with it

[prisma kraken]

complex question

[jovial lichen]

im talking about using at least 1 node for power

[prisma kraken]

if your plan is to eventually use it as rocket or ionized fuel, definitely

[gleaming shuttle]

tbh i'd say "usually not", because "most players are better off skipping turbo fuel and going for rocket fuel"

but if the choice is turbo fuel or nothing, then absolutely yeah

its just that you can get by on regular fuel until rocket fuel

[latent anchor]

I'm just saying, turbofuel/rocket fuel/ionized fuel power is definitely worthwhile but if nothing else you should have good jetpack fuel

[gleaming shuttle]

and once you get rocket fuel, turbofuel is largely irrelevant

unless you prefer it as jetpack fuel (rocket fuel is technically better but requires more feathering)

[jovial lichen]

So just skip turbo fuel and go rocket fuel? I can do either

[prisma kraken]

i'm going to give some round ballpark numbers as an answer

[dire dew]

thats how i would do it

[prisma kraken]

a decent sized dilluted fuel power build will give you somewhere around 30gw of power for a size that doesn't take weeks to build, a comparable sized TF build gives ~40gw - 133% more power

[latent anchor]

it's funny to me how large you can make a fuel plant lol

[prisma kraken]

transitioning that TF build over to rocket fuel later would then yield ~120gw

which is in the fat city range of power generation

[upper arrow]

its an output but i guess i just have to split merger with splitter and vice versa
yeah i thought about that but i wanted to see if i can make manifeld work

[prisma kraken]

i don't have a good feel for the power draw of the T9 stuff yet, and i know it is a lot, but i'd be surprised if a modest build that fullfills the endgoals of the game pushes much more than 100gw of power

[dire dew]

yeah you split the middle one onto the left and right ones, for your clean 480's easiest way to do it

[radiant lance]

did the math last night and a PA making nuclear pasta at 250% overclock with sloops takes up to 20k MW

hungriest mf alive

[prisma kraken]

yeah, overclocking pasta isn't a good value

[upper arrow]

well i build the manifold already so i wanted to know if it even works, if it works i would prefer not having to redo it

[dire dew]

you can still lift it into stack converyers to manifold in the direction u wanted ect

[upper arrow]

if it wont work then i have to rebuild

[radiant lance]

yea i did that math and then realised you can just overclock and sloop pressure conversion cubes

which is ABSURDLY worth it

[dire dew]

well i can check the math on ur other one but basically everytime it goes in that direction its halved

[prisma kraken]

that sounds like an awesome place for sloops

[radiant lance]

just on an assembler too, so doesn't require many sloops and it's really cheap on power

i'd be impressed if there's a recipe more worth slooping

[upper arrow]

yeah im just curious if the last one ever fills/runs at 100% which is my main concern because idk if this will fill back up so it gets it

[prisma kraken]

that actually dovetails with another spot i've been thinking sloops would be good

[dire dew]

yea u got too much at the top, so it would overflow to the bottom yes, but this isnt exactly an ideal setup (excuse the terrible paint job l0l)

[radiant lance]

holy fuck

[gleaming shuttle]

pretty sure you need to sloop this for ficsonium to be remotely worth it

like i think it was balanced around that lmao

[prisma kraken]

the problem with the ficsonium rods is they require pasta to make

[upper arrow]

well if it will fill i will keep it that way and try to not forget about simple balancer setups, ty

[dire dew]

it will work fine though zod but u can make it so clean my way

[upper arrow]

*the next time i have todo this

[prisma kraken]

idk if y'all have ever mass-produced pasta, but it turns into a pretty big challenge marshalling all the copper in the world for it

[gleaming shuttle]

i like turning the entire grassy fields into a massive copper foundry personally

[prisma kraken]

cuz thats what kibitz did

[dire dew]

this is literally the way ur doing it but even 🙂

[prisma kraken]

there's usually a more elegant way 🙂

[dire dew]

he was ask if he can overflow, his way worked but thats the "neater" even number method

but his method would totally work fine

[prisma kraken]

yeah, doing that 3->2 split is nice though

it might just be me, but i have a hard time recognizing that as a solution until i step back and re-examine things

[dire dew]

just makes life easier should things change in the future, knowing there both 480 rather than going through machines adding stuff up lol

yeah its a handy trick to make odd even

[thorn bane]

wouldnt it work with smart splitter to the right and overflow straight?

[dire dew]

itl just do that any way since the top already hits 480 cap

[thorn bane]

this is the usual injection manifold setup

[dire dew]

nah scroll up ur doin it backwards XD

[surreal dagger]

valves prevent backflow, right?

[dire dew]

yup

pumps do too

[surreal dagger]

I have an oil setup that keeps stuttering, so I added a valve in between each section to incentivise a more one-way flow

[thorn bane]

hahha reading is hard

[dire dew]

can help when u have a big manifold of outputs for sure, but i would just put 1 at the end of the manifold

[surreal dagger]

I have 10 outputs in a straight line

[dire dew]

you might just have too much residue so a flush could help (if residue is inside the machines = bad)

[gray peak]

720 foundries is quite a lot for a group
that's an army!

[dire dew]

dont flush entire network though just flush a little segment untill the machines no longer have inside

basically till your yellow lights stop

[dire dew]

your machines ahead are 100% consuming right? if they are just flush a little bit out the pipes like i say above ^

[prisma kraken]

well, that was a comment from a while ago, lol

[surreal dagger]

Everything is 100% effecient

[gray peak]

wait
it is bruh
I didn't even realise that, discord just put me there

[surreal dagger]

originally the residue to fuel was the issue but now it's the oil to product/residue

[dire dew]

check the residue machines if they have residue inside give a segment a flush till all green

[surreal dagger]

the input isn't enough

[dire dew]

mark 2 pipe 600 oil extract?

[surreal dagger]

yes

[dire dew]

ok so what u wanna do is, turn off half ur residue machines

and pre-fill them

so the pipe fully backs up with oil

[prisma kraken]

you know, little things kind of make me happy:

[dire dew]

i had this issue myself

[dire dew]

i uploaded 200 and forgot they exist XD

[scarlet sky]

You need 400 miners?

[prisma kraken]

yeah, pretty much

[dire dew]

forgot to tag you scroll up ^

[viral fog]

i allways craft then when i need it

[surreal dagger]

oh I saw that

ty though

[thorn bane]

why isnt this a dimension depot

[prisma kraken]

i don't know how many i'll end up needing, but i have them and more importantly, i don't need to ever make one by hand again

[gray peak]

automated miner recipe is the goat!

[prisma kraken]

it is

[dire dew]

you might find ur lacking residue ahead so u might have to follow the whole system through, like turn ur residue consumers off, then fuel consumers, (ride the wave) but then it should be smooth

[thorn bane]

nice!

[viral fog]

make one 50 stack and look how long they get

[surreal dagger]

okay, thanks! will do.

[prisma kraken]

(for the unlikely case i need to speed-build 2000 mk3 miners, lol

[scarlet sky]

I mean I'm in the middle of making a thousand DNA capsules... but at least those have an immediate purpose

[radiant lance]

new automated miner recipe + depot + iron pipes means you get to set miners up in 5 minutes and never worry about them ever again, it's so nice

[scarlet sky]

That crate is enough for 400 of them

[viral fog]

dont forget to summersloop powershards

[prisma kraken]

yeah, plus another 300 in the dim depot pipe

[scarlet sky]

But then again, I for some reason stockpile stupid amounts of biofuel... to each our own

[jovial lichen]

How much power would 1200 rocket fuel be? (not sure how I would calculate that sorry)

[viral fog]

is 3x144 fuelgen

i set up that yesterday make a blueprint for 4 gens

[scarlet sky]

!wikisearch biofuel will have the answer you're looking for. Each rocket fuel is 3,600MJ

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=biofuel

[scarlet sky]

Er, !wikisearch rocket_fuel

[viral fog]

!wikisearch rocket_fuel

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=rocket_fuel

[scarlet sky]

Yeah in the right sidebar

[prisma kraken]

rocket fuel is 3600 MJ, which powers a generator making 250mw for 3600/250 = 14.4 seconds

[jovial lichen]

dang so that 1200 would only be 17k power. was hoping for a little more but its the most ive done

[viral fog]

108000 power

[prisma kraken]

that in turn means that each generator would burn 60/14.4 = 4.1666 RF per minute

your 1200 rocket fuel per min would be 1200/4.16666 = 288 generators

[viral fog]

well minus the power all the factory need for producing

[prisma kraken]

and that in turn would generate 288x250 mw = 72gw

[viral fog]

oh did you have the blender recipe for fuel and water? 🙂

[jovial lichen]

Yes

[prisma kraken]

(i did the calculation the long way so that you could see the process)

[jovial lichen]

thank you!

[jovial lichen]

you are talking diluted fuel right?

[viral fog]

i guess yes its in blender with water

[prisma kraken]

PSA, when you see MJ as a power rating, when you apply 1 MJ of power for one second, it is 1 MW; MW = MJ/s

[viral fog]

dont forget to get rid of the compactet coal easy to buirn them in coal gens 😄

[jovial lichen]

I think I found my next big adventure lol

[reef turtle]

I shared a screenshot of my 1800 rocket fuel/minute power plant a little while ago.

[prisma kraken]

yeah, rocket fuel is pretty sweet

[reef turtle]

Here: #math-and-meta message

[night panther]

If my production can produce 60 per minute how much ingots do I need

[prisma kraken]

i think the blended TF portion of a rocket fuel build may be my next project

[viral fog]

its easy with blueprintet

[prisma kraken]

18000 psuedo widgets (i made that up because w/o units, numbers are meaningless)

[night panther]

Without units?

[viral fog]

60 what is the question?

[night panther]

Ohhh

[viral fog]

😂

[night panther]

I’m trying to make copper wire

[reef turtle]

1 copper ingot makes 2 wire.

[viral fog]

1/2 ratio

[reef turtle]

So 60 wire/minute needs 30 copper ingots/minute.

[night panther]

So it’s just divide in half

[prisma kraken]

1 smelter, 2 constructors with base recipes

[night panther]

I’m trying to look for the formula so I can do this on my own

[prisma kraken]

each constructor takes 15/min and makes 30

[viral fog]

i allways use my phone calculator to do the math

[obtuse lark]

maybe im not figuring this out right.

I have 8 water extractors. to keep them running at 2034 with no down timee, what am I missing on flow rate?

[night panther]

Where did u find that

Is that a website?

[prisma kraken]

you know the search bar does math

[night panther]

Wtffff

[reef turtle]

It's the ratio calculator I'm writing. It is still somewhat unfinished, but: https://kirkmcdonald.github.io/satisfactory-calculator/calc.html#vt=boxline&vr=fix&items=wire:r:60

[viral fog]

8x 120 = 960 water

[night panther]

Brooo please finish this I would use the duck outta it

[prisma kraken]

until then, there's https://www.satisfactorytools.com/

[reef turtle]

As for how to do the math: Divide by the amount made, multiply by the amount needed. That's really the central idea.

[viral fog]

maybee im Oldschool but calculator can be allways seen and you can build ingame 😄

[night panther]

Thank you

[night panther]

You wouldn’t be able to help me with this would u?

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1289818951622197300

[viral fog]

yea and with big factorys split the productions line in sections so its easy to math

[reef turtle]

I don't have any experience with hosting Satisfactory.

[dire dew]

thats not 1.0 😛

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

for 1.0^

[night panther]

Thank you anyways 🙏

[prisma kraken]

ahh, sorry, i didn't realize the main url was still old

[dire dew]

yeah it caused me a big F in my computer factory produced way to much oscilator cause it was on ud8

and no need to appologise was just letting you know 😛

[remote ice]

you know, its kinda funny that now that we have sloops, its once again possible to make machines that can't run at full speed even with mk6 belts

the issue was fixed and reintroduced in the same update

[reef turtle]

I don't really have a problem with that. The main issue is miners being blocked on belt speed, because that has implications for total overall production. But an individual machine being blocked can always be fixed by just making another machine.

[dire dew]

add another machine XD but thats funny yeah lol, but wait? sloops = more output not input 😮 or u mean it cant handle the output?

[radiant lance]

and also like. it's capping screws

[surreal dagger]

my oil rig will produce really fast for a while, and then it just stops. is there a way to fix this?

[jovial lichen]

does it need fluid pumps?

[surreal dagger]

it shouldn't

[remote ice]

yeah, its definitely much less of a concern for other machine types. And you can't sloop miners anyway

[surreal dagger]

there is like 15m of headlift with a t2 pump

[dire dew]

hmm?

u sure theres not a # mistake in your flow of machines?

like i kept running outa oil then realise i place 11 refinery not 10

one time

[surreal dagger]

it will produce REALLY fast, cap out, spaz and the tank will drop almost till there's nothing left and then it will kick back on and produce it all back

the thing is- it's producing 600/m and the refineries are supposed to take 600/m

[dire dew]

did u remember to OC ur oil

[surreal dagger]

yes

[dire dew]

havent misplaced mark 1 pipe?

must all be mark 2

[surreal dagger]

no, I've build exclusively mk2

do + junctions count as t1 pipe? or are they like splitters where there is no cap to flow rate?

[dire dew]

how many refineries + what recipie?

[surreal dagger]

5 200% speed plastic & 5 200% speed rubber

for a total input of 600 crude oil/m

[dire dew]

are you smart splitter sinking the plastic/rubber?

if the belt stops the refineries stop

[surreal dagger]

I like maxing out throughput

although they are making 200/m it's all mk4 belts into a sink

[stone imp]

dont know if this is the correct place to ask but why doesnt my train just use the left track?

[surreal dagger]

so it's not a belt issue

I didn't realize you could post screenshots in here, I never took the time to think about it

[dire dew]

u prefilled oil like i said before?

[surreal dagger]

yea, I did

[thorn bane]

trains dont repath for signals

[stone imp]

how do i get it to use the left track though?

[dire dew]

alwaysbuild2rails ;3 think road.

im not sure what can be problem then pheem :S?

[stone imp]

😢

[thorn bane]

you dont

[surreal dagger]

I found the issue, there is so much HOR in the pipes that the refineries in the back are not producing. which will make the oil cap, and then stop for a few seconds as all machines do when full

[stone imp]

each one one way?

[dire dew]

dude i literally told you to check + flush that first 😛

[surreal dagger]

it's not actually impacting production it just looks scary

[surreal dagger]

I did, I let the whole system prefill

[dire dew]

yep, each obeying its own direction ===============

[surreal dagger]

and it hasn't emptied yet

[dire dew]

i mean its fine if lights arnt blinking yellow

[surreal dagger]

they're staying yellow

[dire dew]

u dont need that many valves dude, put ONE at the very end of the fold

[stone imp]

how far between them, i saw a video saying signals behave strangely if they're too close?

[dire dew]

• flush the segment outside the yellow ones a couple times till they green

[dire dew]

i always do 3 platforms wide but you can get away with 2

[stone imp]

so add two platforms inbetween theses tracks or what do you mean?

[stone imp]

thanks

[dire dew]

make a blueprint like that with a foundation at the bottom

and u can zoop 10 platforms between each section and add the rails

[stone imp]

i always forget to use blueprints

[dire dew]

really helpful for rails

[surreal dagger]

I've heard people complain about bi-rail systems

[stone imp]

why, the complexity?

[surreal dagger]

I would assume so, I've never really gotten past trains

[dire dew]

complexity ? ;o

[surreal dagger]

I prefer a closed loop one-way monorail system that has lots of cuts

[dire dew]

thats the blueprint, and see how it have foundation at the bottom

can zoop 10 out and just connect the rails 🙂

then when its set up remove platforms and run that pillar down to the ground like u can see on the right

[reef turtle]

This is extremely similar to how I do it. Main difference is I use frame foundations instead of pillars.

[dire dew]

for sure blueprint can be any design, the foundation base is the main trick for ez / fast building

[stone imp]

are there any satisfactory discords where you can vc or stream

[dire dew]

im sure there is but u can always add people and chat/stream

[stone imp]

true

just youtuber servers i assume

[reef turtle]

Part of me wants to build a full loop of rail around the map. Right now, my rail line goes from the west coast, down south past the falls and into the grass fields, and then dead east to the crater.

[dire dew]

88 superior

4 quarter loops ;]

[stone imp]

like a window?

[reef turtle]

Yeah, at some point it would need to connect up onto the plateau.

[dire dew]

like that lol

[stone imp]

at each destination do you have a station for loading and another for unloading?

beacuse i feel like my trains would get too long

[dire dew]

youtube guide on trains dude 😛

[stone imp]

thanks

[dire dew]

u have multiple stations at 1 location sometimes

[stone imp]

asking too many questions

[dire dew]

its just better answered in the videos that are out there then u can understand better 😛

trains are hard to word lol

[reef turtle]

I only have three trains, bringing crude oil, bauxite, and nitrogen back to my main factory.

But having the full loop would make it simpler to have satellite factories doing whatever.

[dire dew]

questions are welcome here 😛 but the visual aid on trains will help more than my autistic text :L

[stone imp]

fair

[dire dew]

yeah i got like 20.... by the time i completed p4, but really depends what ur doing and where ur doing it

i straight up refused cars/drones, trains do it all lol

[reef turtle]

The grass fields have pretty easy access to most resources, so I'm just using trains to bring in the ones that are far away.

[frosty owl]

Or like an effigy

[prisma kraken]

wow, the spider presence in the swamp has increased, lol

i may be wrong but the big ones seem like they got nerfed a little and the green ones maybe had a little bit of a buff

[frosty owl]

The Greens are horrifying... They can 2-shot you

[proven plaza]

I automated smart ammo cusz of them

[cloud comet]

I'm trying to make an bauxite production line with the basic recipes, I have 1800 bauxite/min and 15 refineries for them but I'm not sure how I should handle the water inputs

I need like 20 water extractors for 2400 water/min but how should I wire (or pipe) them up?

Each one uses 180/min, so 3 water extractors for 2 refineries could work but it feels inefficient

[past reef]

can always overclock extractor, 1 shard = 180 pm

[cloud comet]

How power-efficient is that, tho

[past reef]

think about the waste water from the basic alumina solution recipe though, either dump them into wet concrete or loop them back and separate the grid for waste water and pumped water

[cloud comet]

Yeah they will be looped back

[past reef]

of course less efficient than all 100% extractor but you're on red forest you can't put infinite extractor

[cloud comet]

Oh wait, I did the math wrong

I'll need 1800/min if I loop them back

Actually I can do 1 extractor per refinery with that

900 is looped back, so 120 is needed per refinery

[cloud comet]

But wait, how do I even get the output of each water extractor into each refinery

The placement should've been the other way around

[past reef]

one third of water for solution refineries should be recycled, better to make modular layout for aluminum if you're doing recycling

[cloud comet]

That's what I got as well

[past reef]

see that 135 out of 405 water is recycled so you should probably do 3 refineries and 1 taking recycled water

[cloud comet]

That makes more sense than looping back half of each scrap refinery into 2 bauxite refineries

[past reef]

whole number

[cloud comet]

But then I need 540/min for the 3 refineries that take water straight

[past reef]

180 is from the scrap refineries

will take time to spool up or you can just sloop the scrap refineries for a couple minutes

you can underclock all of them for a nicer number for water/bauxite, up to your factory layout too (number of extractor) and space ( with 1.8k bauxite you need 5 of those modules

[vapid gorge]

really no need to sloop, just invites makign a mistake

[past reef]

yeah best to leave recycled system alone to start up, slooping to fast start linear production line is okay but tighter margin on loop

[zealous bronze]

Is there a tool to calculate the amount of output/input/excess from each factory? For e.g., I have a water station that makes 1200 m3/min of water, and a concrete factory that uses 625 m3 of water/min. Or do I have to make that on my own (Excel)?

I want to do this for multiple factories.

I can see satisfactorytools.com making the calculations only for singular factories. like if there was a way to share data between the production tabs and calculate, or something like that

[junior escarp]

yo
anyone good with like alternative recipe choosing in here?
cuz i have like 7 hard drives scanned, tho idk what to choose

[wind spade]

#math-and-meta message

[wind spade]

generally you don't want to have excess 🙂

[wind spade]

not really, but you can add input to a tab that would represent production from another tab

[zealous bronze]

tru I understand lol. I'm just pretty early in the game and I'm creating extra mats so I can skip maybe 1-2 iterations of refactoring my modular factories/train stations

just testing this idea out anyway, ik this isn't efficient either

[wind spade]

might find this interesting https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[zealous bronze]

yeah i do this to skip the production lines in the calculations, but its kind of tedious at the moment as I have a lot of tabs and i am manually just writing a large number for the factories i have

thanks for the link 😄

oh wait wtf you made the website, cool

[prisma kraken]

man, that was a lot of spiders

[shadow sinew]

is moving liquids by train ever good?

[wind spade]

yeah, why wouldn't it?

[shadow sinew]

like, is it better to turn oil into plastic and rubber and use solid trains?

[prisma kraken]

in a few niche cases, it can be, but it often ends up being more trouble than it is worth

[shadow sinew]

also, does packaging liquids give more capacity

[prisma kraken]

if you don't have to transport emties, solid cars end up with 2x capacity of fluid cars

[shadow sinew]

yeah, last playthrough I only used liquid transport for heavy oil residue for smokeless powder, for convinience

[prisma kraken]

if you're doing packaging and unpackaging on both sides and have to loop the containers, there's no win with packaging

[verbal lake]

plus, fluid cars look cool

[prisma kraken]

with gases (nitrogen, rocket/ion fuel), they compress when packaged, and that's a win

[shadow sinew]

everything with trains is cool though xd

[prisma kraken]

yeah for stuff like that fluid cars work ok, and its nice to get a little variance in the cars the trains pull

the other place i've used fluid cars is in extremely large factories where i'm actually using a closed loop train as the bus between factory parts

(think max nuclear)

[fringe pawn]

I don't like that max nuclear doesn't have a clear meaning anymore.

[prisma kraken]

i find getting the tuning on high throughput fluid cars tricky to get right, its very easy to over/underrun the capacity and it takes a lot of fiddling to keep the pipes full

[fringe pawn]

I suspect that power augmenters and sinking plutonium rods is better than anything that involves Ficsonium.

[prisma kraken]

yeah, we'll probably converge in time on a new definition for what max nuclear is once we find the good configurations

[verbal lake]

i prefer for many reasons

[thorn bane]

well you can use converters to make uranium
so its kinda weird

[scarlet olive]

Yep it is, and with the ressources you dont use to make ficsionium you made more uranium

[prisma kraken]

the thing is it's kind of a waste to start making more uranium, you have to dispose of it somehow

[thorn bane]

hm dont think so actually if you dont do instant plut and unit
its still a lot of power

[scarlet olive]

You make more uranium and sink plutonium

And sadly its much harder than just a rocket fuel setup

[fringe pawn]

The other problem is I'm really not convinced there's much use case for more than 1TW of power. I can see 2TW with some sort of gratuitous overclocking setup. But 1TW appears to be enough for using all the resources on the planet.

[scarlet olive]

To not make crazy more E

[prisma kraken]

yeah, i think rocket fuel is the winner with the power you NEED in the game

[fringe pawn]

Even good old diluted fuel, arguably

[torn walrus]

It's kinda crazy how much of it you can easily make and just dump into a bajillion generators

[prisma kraken]

yeah, well rocket fuel kind of jumps a magnitude in power from diluted fuel

[fringe pawn]

There's tons of oil on the map though. Rocket fuel is really good, but setting and forgetting diluted fuel early on remains a compelling option.

Especially now that they added even more oil on the West Coast. On my first 1.0 playthrough in the rocky desert, I didn't even need to tap into the resource well oil that was added.

[prisma kraken]

when i laid this out as a plan, i was agog at how much power you get from it

[junior escarp]

wish me luck lads

or should i go with 5 stator and 5 motor

[thorn bane]

ficsonium: 2/0.2+0.5/0.1+2.5/1 = 17.5 NPPs
uranium: 3.5/0.2 = 17.5 NPPs + 0.875 Plutonium sink
uranium might get capped on sulfur while ficsonium gets capped on sam quite fast

[prisma kraken]

keep in mind you can add oscillators later to a motor build and quadruple the output

[junior escarp]

a what

[prisma kraken]

if you swap out the motor assemblers for manufacturers and the rigour motor recipe, you quadruple the motors for the same rotors & stators

[thorn bane]

or add ai limiters and double it 🤷

[prisma kraken]

you mean w/ electric motor?

[thorn bane]

yes

[prisma kraken]

i'd rather add the oscillators, honestly

[thorn bane]

idk i hate building oscillators soooo many fucking manufacturers

ai limiters are nice
especially with plastic ai limiters

[prisma kraken]

oscillators got a bit of a density buf

[thorn bane]

wait they did?

[prisma kraken]

went from 2.8125/min to 3.3333

same cost, just faster cycle time

[thorn bane]

i mean thats the easy part
the hard part is the 100 manufacturers for the oscillators themselves xd

[prisma kraken]

errr, i think i'm wrong, wtf

[thorn bane]

youre thinking of computer

but ye its the same reason for me on why i use caterium

[prisma kraken]

you probably are right

[fringe pawn]

Default computer recipe actually feels usable now though. I did the old default recipe once, and resolved never again, no matter how bad my hard drive luck was.

[prisma kraken]

they did get somewhat of a side-effect buf with plastic AIL

default computer wasn't awful if you used steel screw

[gusty summit]

I`m looking for upgrading my platic fabric and now choosing a way to do it. I found this one option(screen)
So questions is:
Is it a valid and efficient option or better ways existing?

How better set a fabric, if i understanding all correctly here is 2 options:
First one set fabric step by step startin from 200 rubber -> 400 plastic -> 800 rubber -> 1600 plastic and leave 200 rubber as bonus
OR
Second one create a loop 1050 rubber -> 2100 plastic -> 1550 plastic as final product + 550 plastic to 1100 rubber -> 50 rubber final product and back to 1050 into 2100 plastic. This way i should add 1050 rubber manually one time to start production.

So any problems can reveal on both ways?

[fringe pawn]

Batteries feel useless now

[thorn bane]

loop ➿

[fringe pawn]

They're basically just an intermediate component in superstate supercomputers.

[gusty summit]

Cause it takes lower count of buildings?

[thorn bane]

well and ADS

[fringe pawn]

Not any more. Recipe change straight up removed them.

[prisma kraken]

the trick is you set the plastic and rubber to feed the refineries in a loop and use a smart splitter at the right location on the loop to overflow the production out

[thorn bane]

sorry meant adaptive control unit

[thorn bane]

its the same amount of buildings but a loop is easier to set up

[fringe pawn]

I know what you mean, the point is the same though. They're either a pointless fuel or an intermediate component in a supercomputer alt.

Are there any other uses?

[prisma kraken]

they're still good fuel for drones and possibly vehicles

[thorn bane]

im just thinking of space elevator parts but i guess youre more thinking in terms of sinking

[prisma kraken]

not sure it's worth making more batteries than you need for the space elevator instead of fueling transport with rocket or ion fuel

[thorn bane]

btw method 1 defenitely works its just a hassle to plan out the correct math

[fringe pawn]

You don't need batteries for the space elevator anymore

[junior escarp]

yeah i think i need to do a hypertube....

[fringe pawn]

Unless I performed some clever trick with alternate recipes, I finished phase 5 without ever making a battery

[thorn bane]

ye they changed that right? i swear i was going crazy

im still a super state computer fan

[verbal lake]

i set up production for batteries just because it was in the milestone, but then never used it, heh

[fringe pawn]

Superstate supercomputers are definitely resource efficient.

[honest nacelle]

For anyone here who uses SCIM calculator, why does it split the belts like this?

How dafuk am I supposed to follow it?

Manifold it and let it overflow?

[thorn bane]

yes

[thorn bane]

once the lines are backed up it will just balance itself

[gusty summit]

ty!

[honest nacelle]

Gotcha. If I put the constructor request the lowest amount first it should fill faster, right?

I mean, if the manifold feeds the 22.5 first, then the 30 then the 67.5

Not fill faster but like, all 3 will start running faster

[thorn bane]

this reminds me of an old setup i did like that xD
definitely fun figuring out if thats your kinda thing

[honest nacelle]

Instead of the last one waiting for the first one to fill using 67/m

[prisma kraken]

the difference is marginal, arrange things to be simpler to build

[honest nacelle]

Okay

[prisma kraken]

for wire, quickwire and screws, i'd say differently, but 100 stack items fill buffers quickly

[wind spade]

well... the arrows are not belts

[thorn bane]

can always manually feed ingots or shut down until filled but ye id just wait

[gusty summit]

oh do u use draw io to create custom schemes? Cause i faced with same problem, is it any res. exist for it?

[thorn bane]

yes but its kind of a pain

[high furnace]

how is this for my first big factory? no alternate recipes, only iron

[thorn bane]

id make more plates

youre gonna build a lot of belts

[high furnace]

normal plates?

[thorn bane]

ye for mk1 belts

[gusty summit]

I mean i want smth like calculator where i can put my buildings and connecting them without any calculation xd, just a scheme for factory building

just drawio but specially for satisfactory xd

[high furnace]

now it makes 59 iron plates

and the numbers are good

i never made anything this big bro hahahaha

[thorn bane]

sounds good

[edgy leaf]

it sounds easier to do that in satisfactory with a hoverpack

[fringe pawn]

What's the use case for the dark ion fuel alt? More rocket fuel and more dark matter crystals for less fuel?

[lofty kestrel]

gonna build this massive factory (my first one) im having an hard time to bring the ore together, should i use belt all over the biom? trucks or maybe wait for trains before building this? also i went for 200 from everything, would you change something?

[edgy leaf]

maybe because no time crystals?

[fringe pawn]

I guess?

That's one hell of a resource difference for rocket fuel and dark matter though

Plus you need to package it and consume aluminum in that process

[thorn bane]

ye fuel vs sam

[teal urchin]

I just put together a factory to make 1 modular engine, and .5 adaptive control units... And im scared lmao

[verbal lake]

its like reading a book, dont be scared at how many pages exist, just start with one and go one at a time

[teal urchin]

Haha, yeah

[thorn bane]

id get some more alts to make it easier
especially HMF and computer

[teal urchin]

Theres a spot I want to put it at, cause it has everything i need- except coal of course. And there isnt any coal nearby for like, a train line. Ima have to make a prety large train just to do it lol

[teal urchin]

Thats a good idea tbh. Tho, what is "HMF" ?

[thorn bane]

sorry, heavy modular frames

[teal urchin]

Oh- duh. Thanks ❤️

[fierce ruin]

do you use a truck station to refuel other truck stations?

[teal urchin]

Sometimes, kidna just depends

[verbal lake]

usually i just make routes that have fuel production at one or other end, or create fuel production at one or other end, but its your game, your choice

[gusty summit]

i made this (know its awfull)

not sure is it gonna work or no

but will try

[thorn bane]

i like using the 175 rubber to "kickstart" the loop

[gusty summit]

but isnt it same option?

I mean i want this 175rub to be produced

[thorn bane]

well ye but that way you dont have to manually start it

[gusty summit]

get it. Is 175 rubber enough for the next crafts? or better change the ratio rub/plastic?

wait, but i cant change the ratio isnt it?

Cause fuel overproduction

[thorn bane]

you could just make 1575 plastic and no rubber instead

its always 3x the oil you put in

[gusty summit]

I thought im going to use rubber in the future

[thorn bane]

ye you can make both if you want

[gusty summit]

But im not sure how many should i produce at this moment in order to not rebuild this factory in future

[unborn ermine]

fill containers and sink the rest until you are sure

[thorn bane]

idk hard to say
i think id just start with same amounts rubber and plastic? but it depends on a lot of factors

[unborn ermine]

Like computers, you can go all quartz and its just rubber for oscillators.

[gusty summit]

Is it worth it to craft them trough osc?

[unborn ermine]

When I was playing in the dune desert it was pretty nice to just need a single belt of rubber from the nearest oil node

Abused the quartz node up there with that water hole and used pure quartz recipe at the nodes.

[white bloom]

you can build the oil recycle loop in a way so that you can easily expand it later

[unborn ermine]

ironic that they made a water well there now too

[white bloom]

you just make two antiparallel belt cycles, one for rubber and one for plastic, and simply place all refineries in between them. The ones turning rubber -> plastic facing one way and plastic -> rubber the opposite way

If you roughly alternate them instead of all facing one way then all facing the other, belt capacity isn't even much of an issue

then just have your fuel pipe fork on one end and run parallel on either side to feed all the refineries

output from the belt cycles with smart splitters that only allow overflow to leave the cycle

self-balancing system

[round nacelle]

are there calculator sites that use manifolds instead of balancers?

[white bloom]

most calculators just tell you how much of some item goes into what other recipe. they are agnostic about your belt network topology, because it doesn't matter in the end

for a manifold you don't really need an external tool, as long as you know how much you have in total A and how much each machine consumes B, it's simply A/B rounded up many machines you need to build in sequence

as long as your belt capacity is not smaller than A, that's all you need to know

[main thicket]

can i put one depot per item ?

[next pewter]

Sure. there are a lot of spheres

[teal urchin]

So, i have tore down my starter area, in hopes to rebuild it. I have (with a max of mk.4 belts)
1380 Limestone, 2880 Iron, 480 Copper, in one small area.

Using those numbers, what all would you guys build there? I was thinking like.. All my iron/copper stuff, such as wire, cable, rods, plates, etc etc.
And then slightly more advanced things, such as reinforced plates, rotors, and modular frames.

But, what all would you guys do in this area? This is sorta gonna be a mega factory for basic shit, so any ideas would be cool (and any suggest alt recipes would be ever better!)

[next pewter]

Depends what you want. Want to go architecture, unlock tiers, unlock phases.

[cloud comet]

So, I have 750 silica/min from my bauxite refineries and 900 quartz/min (to be processed into 1500 silica/min) and I need 2250 silica/min for 32 aluminium ingot foundries, but I'm not sure how to split up the silica evenly into 32 of them
Each foundry is underclocked to 94%, so they use 70.5 silica/min

[teal urchin]

Its mostly just gonna produce shit to be put into storage, and then into a sink. Not shipped out to anywhere else. I want to try and make it 'look pretty' but, i want to make it functioncal first lol. Its gonna be pretty damn large, so. Basically gonna be a massive platform that Ill add architecture to later on lol

[cloud comet]

Or should I just make extra silica, feed it into 3 separate lines of 780/min and just split it 11/11/10?

[next pewter]

Two comments/suggestions:
if you want to max sink points w this: build smart plates and sink that.

why a platform? Dont just think 2D in satisfavtory. Its a 3D game.

[teal urchin]

My architecture brain aint that good, lmao. I make platforms, which I will then add all my machines to, etc.
AFter all thats done, and the build works, I will go in and add a building to it. I definitely WANT it to be pretty, i just dont know HOW to make it pretty. I truly am terrible at designing any sort of structure, and even more terrible at planning a structure out before hand. (outside of very rough ideas)

[next pewter]

Just make small amounts of all types for now, and see what you lack during building or expanding then can add a few machines for that lalter

[next pewter]

Multi layer is easy, really. Smelting on floor 1, tier 1 machines above, assemblers/steel above, etc. Allows much more flexibility to expand when u upgrade miners or belt types

[teal urchin]

Yeah that's sorta what I tend to do- and what I planned for here. its just such a large build, im not sure where I will begin when it comes to.. Designing a building to fit around it, lol

So far the only thing ive built that looks nice is my encased industrial beam factory

[next pewter]

Just group machines that are connected, close to eachother. On 2d you can only do that in 4 directions, in 3d in 6

[teal urchin]

It’s just pretty daunting. Like is love to be like the YouTubers who can build the most beautiful thing you’ll ever see, but I’m not quite that person unfortunately lmao

[next pewter]

I understnd just pasting architecture as an afterthought,can be a challenge to get right. But imho a working factory is first prio.

I think it needs a mix of planning, adjusting on the spot and experience to nail it.

[potent isle]

any ideas on how to setup a train station here?

those white markers are coal and sulphur planning to turn this into compacted coal and taking it to a nearby fuel source to make turbofuel

[past reef]

they're both near ground level not 200m up on the red forest though

you can put a train path to the west from the coal node to the west islands

[potent isle]

something like this?

or more farther down the south?

[past reef]

from your marked player position you can go straight west there's a path there iirc

kinda flip that half circle upside down

better leave that coastline for copper and/or caterium down the line for computer stuff

[potent isle]

I have been very confused about choosing the right place

because there is a very good spot in the south with everything needed

but i still have to make this plant as efficient as possible aswell

i just need a good supply of sulphur and coal

[past reef]

the top line can lead to a bunch of coal and sulfur on top left of map, the middle line is what your coal/sulfur path would probably be, the bottom line can lead copper/caterium/iron if you need

the coal/sulfur line can get to the quartz cave a bit to the right if you want to, I didn't do quartz near west islands oil this save

[potent isle]

oh yes ill connect another train for the quartz soon

and for the top line i though that coal might be useful for another coal gen in the future, how much power would i realistically need by the end game?

[past reef]

coal gens are really underclassed by fuel gens setup, 600 coal makes like 3GW but 540 oil makes 18GW from either diluted fuel recipes

I have only touched tier 8 this save, probably need like 30GW to comfortably make every sub-factory running, a big one normally takes 2-4GW

[potent isle]

so about 2 -3 good fuel setups should be enough?

[past reef]

yeah I'd recommend not making the 2nd fuel setup until diluted fuel so you don't have to tear down the old one

wouldn't need much more than 18GW of power for the new stuff like plastic/rubber/computer and what not, put off the 2nd fuel plant until tier 7 or so

[potent isle]

and is there any easy way to calculate a trains estimated travel time ?

or do i need to set the stations and rails up to manually see it?

[past reef]

hard to eyeball it, you can estimate with +- 1 minute accuracy by the number of stops it needs, a stop adds like 27s to the trip time

but on that distance it'd probably take 3 minute so you should be fine with a 600 belt per freight

[vivid escarp]

Do you have any Problems with building "tunnels" for your train?

[noble timber]

You just need to hop in one and measure it

[potent isle]

afaik there is no way to make tunnels?

[past reef]

not really I put train tracks on terrain if it'd look nice

[vivid escarp]

I used to build the train thought the wall there

[past reef]

there's a path there though, a bit steep W->E but train going that direction is empty in his case

[vivid escarp]

But guys are 900x Plastic / 900x Rubber enought for a while or do i need more like 1800x Min?

[noble timber]

Should be good

You can always make more if you need it

[vivid escarp]

No i cant, because im going to usee the last 3 of my OIL stuff for energy then

[noble timber]

You’re using all the oil on the map?

[vivid escarp]

No only all except 3 from my Production area

[noble timber]

So you can make more, you’d just need to venture out

[urban kite]

sometimes the numbers inm this game just work out and i love it. One normal iron node makes 240/min of both plates and rods, straihgt into the depot 🙂 🙂 if my math is right

[vivid escarp]

I build this now. This is 2400x Aluminum 900x Plastic and 900x Rubber. I have this 3 300x open for more stuff

I dont know what in later tiers need how much plastic

[noble timber]

No one can really give you a figure for how much plastic is needed because it all depends on how big/small you build

[urban kite]

and there are lots of alts that use rubber or plastic for diff things too

[next pewter]

Put oilpower on a spot far away. Where u wont need the oil.

[vivid escarp]

Then i build 1x plastic and 1x Rubber and 1x Energy

[next pewter]

Why split plastic an rubber?

W recycled recepies you can flexibly swap between both

Depending on your need.
100% plastic to 100% rubber.

[tight crag]

Question about portals:
has anyone figured out if that statement holds any truth?
Couldn't find any evidence in my playthrough

[next pewter]

Just loop output of plastic to rubber input and other way around,,w a smart splitter in front

[vivid escarp]

Thats what i did

[livid meteor]

considering I use a max oc packaged, would this cause issues? Cuz it's gas?

[lone yacht]

hello, whats wrong with this junction?

[deft lichen]

tracks are too close to each other

[lone yacht]

thanks

[grand jasper]

so is slooping just a flat muliplier of 2?

[edgy leaf]

yep

[past reef]

4x machine power usage but yes

[grand jasper]

but that way i can just dobule my shards for now right?

[vapid gorge]

20GW particle accelerators are hilarious

[edgy leaf]

i suck at math, how do i turn 1600 fuel into plastic without repeating decimals?

[vapid gorge]

and protein

[edgy leaf]

or is that also impossible

[past reef]

either do 270 oil into 405 rubber/plastic and multiply it, or balance the number out with residual plastic/rubber

[edgy leaf]

i have 1600 fuel tho, no oil

i want to use the recycled recipes

[past reef]

I mean in the process of making that 1600 fuel you'd have like a mk4 of resin right

[vapid gorge]

using tools is step 1

[edgy leaf]

i already have the refineries set up, i can do it. but they'd be clocked at 222.222.

[vapid gorge]

you want to plan out the groups of refineries for this BEFORE hand

[edgy leaf]

i did.

[past reef]

nothing you can do about that odd number unless you make the fuel number divisible by 90

[vapid gorge]

if you did you'd know how to group up the next steps. That's what I'm talking about. you want ot know exactly where things are going before you do any steps

[edgy leaf]

im not sure what u mean

i know how to group up the next steps, i already have it built

[vapid gorge]

... so what exactly is the question?

[edgy leaf]

is there a way i can avoid the .222222 at the end of the clock cycle?

[past reef]

I'd siphon out 25 fuel per min into the sink so I can get 17.5 group of (30 plastic + 90 fuel into 120 plastic)

[vapid gorge]

process a slightly different amount

[edgy leaf]

processing less is less efficient than just keeping the .2222

[past reef]

if you want whole clock number you'd have to plan out the entire factory beforehand not just step

[vapid gorge]

You wanted the solution. Those are you choices

unless you have a plant that needs that repeating .222222 plastic 'less efficien't doesn't really mean much

[wind spade]

processing less is still 100% efficient

[grand jasper]

just put a whole refinery there and sink overflow rubber to prevent clog and belt out overflow plastics on the output

[edgy leaf]

id get more stuff if i processed it with the .2222 and had it skip a single once a year or whatever

ill see if injecting rubber can fix it i guess

[wind spade]

you just use the fuel elsewhere

[past reef]

if you want to process 100% of the node you'd most likely have to give up layout and/or clock number

[edgy leaf]

hmm, is heat fused frame good?

[wind spade]

depends what do you mean by good 🤷 😄

[edgy leaf]

why is it good/bad for your playstyle? what do you personally subjectively like or dislike about the recipe

[vapid gorge]

iirc correctly you spend oil to save on bauxite for it

[edgy leaf]

is nitrogen the exact same?

[vapid gorge]

roughly

needs iron for hte acid

[edgy leaf]

oh, it needs more nitrogen

[vapid gorge]

not much

[edgy leaf]

25 vs 32

[vapid gorge]

and nitrogen is kinda a trash resource

makes for a good filler

there's heaps on the map andit's not used for much

[edgy leaf]

yea its only for fmfs and cooling systems

[wraith ruin]

Yeah each nitric acid is 4x gas that's why I don't like it

More nitrogen per frame

[past reef]

isn't heat fused more aluminum per frame, I feel like it's a nice sloop friendly one at least

[edgy leaf]

heat fused uses more nitrogen, would be weird if it also used more aluminum

[vapid gorge]

32vs25. not a huge difference. And there's lots of Ngas on the map

[past reef]

fuel is whatever at the point though

[edgy leaf]

alright then ill siphon some fuel off for heatfusedframes 🤔

i wonder if that will avoid repeating

[vapid gorge]

saves I think 25 alum ingots per frame?

a good chunk, -33%

for like 3 oil?

less really

[past reef]

oh yeah double the amount per cycle so I thought it's more ingot

[vapid gorge]

yeah it's best to look at the unit rather than pm for comparisons

though the output pm is also good info to compare speed

[wind spade]

nitrogen gas is very much unlimited. It's practically impossible to run out of it, unless you really try

[vapid gorge]

the fact that Heat Fused is 2x as fast is nice too

[edgy leaf]

thatsss 16 fuel per minute ill get so thats a 160% overclocked HFF blender, awesome

hm, i have to decide how much i want to siphon off per line, because my end goal is 1 stack of FMFs per minute

for that in eed to know how many lines ill have

[grand jasper]

you guys have some recommendations for aluminum alts to look for?

[vapid gorge]

one STACK per min? should prob just dedicate a proper system for that

[edgy leaf]

ill do that, im going to ship the fuel to that system with trains

[vapid gorge]

my pref is sloppy/electrode. No silica and oil is easier to move in bulk than the coal

[wraith ruin]

For starter aluminum I use sloppy>electrode>pure

[past reef]

I use normal + electrode scrap + normal ingot to save on quartz because of location and I want a bit more yield than pure for other module

[edgy leaf]

same, i always go with electrode/sloppy/pure. its a bit less aluminum efficient but doesnt take silica and is simpler to build, so its my preferred method

[vapid gorge]

and wit hthe oil alts you can bring in almost no oil for huge amounts of bauxite

[edgy leaf]

oh no i hate this project, its making me plan out my entire run...

[past reef]

instant scrap is fine but sulfur is more rare on the map

[vapid gorge]

oh no... 😛

[vapid gorge]

eh, even full nuclear you have tons of sulfur.

lots of sulfur, not the nodes are scattered

[edgy leaf]

i want to siphon out just the right amount of fuel for all the FMFs ill need, which is easy because i want 50/m. but i also need fmfs for pressure conversion cubes because they are needed for the most plutonium efficient plutonium rod recipe and i want to go full plutonium...

[edgy leaf]

so i already need to decide exactly how much nuclear i want to have in the end

[wraith ruin]

Yeah ... I hate when scope increases like that

[vapid gorge]

I highly recommend you make a completely dedicated system to deal with making uranium rods and processing waste

[edgy leaf]

in the past i wanted to totally max out nuclear, which was simple because you'd run out of uranium. but now with the converter u can sacrifice everythign for uranium

[edgy leaf]

BUUTT i want to process literally all the oil in this one spot, because itd be funny...

so i would have to use a different recipe for the FMFs that i need for nuclear

[vapid gorge]

Hey, it'sa recomendation. You don't have to do it, I'm not your dad

[edgy leaf]

yea i know, im not sure myself right now. just bouncing ideas around

[vapid gorge]

also it's not that fun

[edgy leaf]

funny, not fun. big difference

[oblique chasm]

I'd say it's better to do everything related to nuclear processing in a completely separate, dedicated setup, that you can just put in a completely different part of the powergrid

[vapid gorge]

ehhhh

[vapid gorge]

that's not even all the oil. That was all hte bauxite and 9000 plastic/rubber pm

[oblique chasm]

The issue with centralizing oil is that oil is like in a bajillion spots that are mostly around the edges of the map

[edgy leaf]

i already measured out all the space and prepared all the blueprints, i just need to assemble it now

[edgy leaf]

yes, biiiig train line and modular factory

[vapid gorge]

nah the problem with centralising oil is that tons of great alts use plastic and rubber to pad out recipes and then you have to ship it everywhere

[oblique chasm]

Fair ig if you want that lol

[granite crane]

And Rocket Fuel, which is actually a game changer in power generation

[vapid gorge]

y? jsut go nuclear and have fewer power station

[oblique chasm]

Well, yes, that too, but id say transporting the raw resources is also annoying af xD

[edgy leaf]

i want to totally switch to nuclear in the endgame so i dont want to touch rocket fuel. with normal fuel it can easily be rerouted to my plastic and rubber factory, not with rocket fuel.

[vapid gorge]

oil is one of those resoruces that actually expand when you use the recycle loop, so it's easier moving hte oil than the plastic/rubber

[oblique chasm]

That's fair

[edgy leaf]

yes, i want that. biiig trains going all around distributing rubber and plastic

[oblique chasm]

Go do then

[granite crane]

Theres a spot in the west side of rocky desert where you have a small way to oil, bauxite and every other resource in the game. So you can centralize it there with almost no effort

[vapid gorge]

fiar enough 🙂

[unique tree]

i need to build water extractors for my refineries, how do i snap the extractors to a grid or to pipes to have some sort of alignment?

[brisk hemlock]

I am tired brain: If I feed a splitter into two splitters, and loop a single of the six outputs back into the input of the very first splitter, the remaining 5 belts will be equal, right?

[vapid gorge]

probalby? just manifold it and you don't have to brain

[oblique chasm]

Yes, although do keep in mind that you will need 20% more belt capacity on the input belt than you have as output

[wind spade]

yes, but you can also build a manifold

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[brisk hemlock]

Manifolding nuclear power plants is a bad idea

[oblique chasm]

So you can't quite max out the input belt

[wind spade]

it's not

[vapid gorge]

pre feed the gens.

[past reef]

personally I put 2 extractors in a 3x5 foundation hole then they'd roughly align with the grid

[vapid gorge]

no spin up time

[oblique chasm]

I personally am a big manifold hater for slow to produce stuff

[edgy leaf]

see, i already built the first slice. thats 24 refineries at 222.22222%, 8 blenders at 200% and 12 more refineries at 250%. they turn 600 oil into 1600 plastic. if i build this slice 21 times i can process literally all the oil on the map.

[oblique chasm]

Smh imagine not building a huge tower to process your oil in

[edgy leaf]

biiig flat area

im paving the ocean

[oblique chasm]

I'm building a fuel powerplant in the oil coast and i haven't even started with the oil processing part yet (im gravity feeding the fuel gens so they are the bottom floors of the powerplant) and it's already over 200 meters tall

[edgy leaf]

sounds really awesome

[granite crane]

The Problem is the waste it produces. Without a good management of nuclear waste you don´t have a good use of these although you can´t sink it. So the best and stable thing is to make rocket fuel with the alt recipe and blender, which uses nitrogen gas, sulfur, coal and fuel and produces rocket fuel and compacted coal, which can also get used by coal power plants or to produces more rocket fuel with the normal recipe

[oblique chasm]

Big tower make brain go brr

[oblique chasm]

You can process the waste, with a proper setup you don't get any waste

[granite crane]

And here you can centralize everything you need for the rocket fuel, managing this is so easy (you can get the coal through the cave to the bauxite sector on the top side)

[edgy leaf]

yes. i want to do full waste management, burning uranium, plutonium and ficsonium

[oblique chasm]

You can also build a big enough fuel powerplant to run your nuclear waste processing

Yeah that's what i'm doing next

[wind spade]

waste is hardly a problem. Even storing the waste is completely fine

[granite crane]

But unless you got there to use the plutonium waste you can set up a power plant with rocket fuel with almost no effort

[oblique chasm]

I'm basically building this fuel power plant just to be able to run the entire nuclear supply chain

[edgy leaf]

NOOO i also need FMFs for ficsonium.

[oblique chasm]

Rocket fuel is SO MUCH more effort than just normal fuel especially in the oil coast that it's IMO far from worth it

[granite crane]

One blender produces enough rocket fuel to set up 20 refineries on max output

[oblique chasm]

With the oil in the oil coast you can without slooping get 7200 fuel/min which gets you 90GW of fuel power, no turbo / rocket fuel needed

[edgy leaf]

i plan to produce 30000 normal fuel, thats enough for nearly 400GW

[past reef]

but it's just a line of sulfur into oil for turbo blend fuel, just add nitric acid with drones

[granite crane]

What? It exist an alt recipe producing fuel, then the alt recipe for rocket fuel only uses nitrogen gas, sulfur and coal. Where is there an effort to get 10 GW with one Blender?

[mystic forum]

Can someone explain me the basics of piping? I have 600 oil going to 20 refineries each consuming 30 oil. But for some reason some refineries at the end don't get enough oil

[oblique chasm]

The effort is in transporting the sulfur, nitrogen and coal there

If you're going to be building rocket fuel, at least go to the blue crater

[wind spade]

loop the pipe like this and prefeed the setup

[granite crane]

I only need one train line of 700m from here:

[oblique chasm]

You also only have 1 pure sulfur node to work with which will severely bottleneck your rocket fuel production here, if you do it at the blue crater it's much more worth it

[mystic forum]

I'll try thanks

[oblique chasm]

You have way more sulfur available there

[granite crane]

One pure Sulfur with MK 3 Miner produces enough to feed 3 Blender which also can feed 60 Powerplants on max output (10,47m³ demand, one Blender with Power Shards produces 223m³

this setup is only for mid game, in late you use plutonium I think

[oblique chasm]

This area is just straight up better for rocket / turbofuel

[edgy leaf]

greeny can u help me out, how do i calculate how to make the maximum number of plut fuel rods?

[oblique chasm]

You have more sulfur closer, more coal, and about the same amount of oil

[granite crane]

It is but you can´t centralize the rest for the start making it hard for early to mid. In late game where you have the resources to expand on the whole map, there are more places which fits better for energy production

But for the most time the spot there makes a good starting point and a good energy production until you got a full production cycle of nuclear plants

[silent pike]

Anyone have any insight as to why this setup is having water backup problems causing it to shut down? I have my water extractor set to 234 / min, I have all the refineries set to their exact amount, and it's all mk2 pipes. Since the water needed is exactly [water extractor + waste water], it should be using all the water, nothing should be backing up. Unless I'm understanding fluid dynamics incorrectly (again)

[wind spade]

because fluids are fluids and can go where they want. Usually simpler to separate fresh and recycled water

[silent pike]

But the only place for it to go is into the sloppy alumin... I have valves to prevent it from backflowing

[vapid gorge]

like this

[vapid gorge]

valves don't prevent backflow

[silent pike]

I was told otherwise, but ok

[mystic forum]

If it goes from below it won't work?

[wind spade]

valves don't do anything useful to your system

[silent pike]

good to know, lol

[wind spade]

why not?

[deft lichen]

they prevent backflow, but don't prevent sloshing, the actual cause of problems

[vapid gorge]

diagram how fluid still gets knocked back and stutters with valves

[silent pike]

tyty

[ashen girder]

They work good if you're too lazy to underclock your water extractors. 👀

[mystic forum]

Because I'm stupid?

:L

[wind spade]

well, they prevent backflow from one end of valve to another
which isn't really useful 🙂

[silent pike]

I suppose easiest solution is to just package+sink extra water and have water extractors provide all I need

[ashen girder]

Wet concrete or pure ingots.

[wind spade]

there's easier solutions (use in other recipes or gens)

build it near another factory that needs water and connect it to that

[vapid gorge]

no, the easiest solution is the dedicating of certain refineries using only waste water, like in the image I shared to you

[vapid gorge]

that's a 780 sloppy electrode set up

[silent pike]

That is so much more confusing

[vapid gorge]

which recipes are you using and how much bauxite are you processing?

[vapid gorge]

cause it's only confusing if you look at it blankly without really studying it

[vapid gorge]

so you want exactly what I did

[vapid gorge]

ok thats the bottom right diagram, the recipes you're using. and the fractions of bauxite used with FRESH water, (9/30) and the fraction using WASTE water (21/30)

so multiple 780 * (9/30) what do you get?

[burnt pecan]

planning to make a 15/min circ board/HSC/Computer/Crystal Osc factory any suggestions

[eager solar]

How much trubofuel/min consumes a fuel gen? Assuming normal clocking

[past reef]

7.5 turbo per min on fuel gen

[eager solar]

Thank you

[livid meteor]

Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? both exits of the train stations have path signlas, the green light there is a block signal

[near garden]

Poor my fuel gen

[near garden]

Have you tried with a train yet? cause signal only check when train asks

[near garden]

same on other side?

[livid meteor]

yes

[wind spade]

path signals don't work for manually driven trains

[livid meteor]

it's not it's auto

[near garden]

maybe the block signal on the screen not really connect to the rail, you can try move it a bit further from the junction

[cursive heron]

can you show the colored block segments

[livid meteor]

I'm trying to test drive another route to see if my track might be broken

I will in 5 mins

Ok, if I aim for another train station a goal it works

I guess my rails are broken somewhere?

[ashen girder]

Could be signals too. Keep in mind trains can only travel with the signals on the right hand side.

[livid meteor]

Still doesn't work

[silent patrol]

i have a problem thats too big for my brain. I have 1800 iron input from 10 miners (8 impure (150) 2 normal (300) all overclocked) and have 59 smelters that it has to go in to. How would i go about this

only have mk4 conveyors

[vapid gorge]

process each of the belt individually?

[silent patrol]

who's stupid idea was it to try and make HMF in the meadows

[silent patrol]

?

[vapid gorge]

why merger it all into one group of 59 smelters?

[silent patrol]

manifold

[vapid gorge]

many manifolds

maybe compress a few of the smaller belts together? but you can just make individual groups

[silent patrol]

yeah i was planning on splitting them down but i dont understand the calculations for that

sorry if im confusing you i dont really understand myself

[vapid gorge]

merge the belts into groups that are less than mk4
then make groups of smelters designed to consume those belts

[silent patrol]

the calculator tells me 59 smelters

[vapid gorge]

ok? you don't have to do it in one group

[silent patrol]

i get what your saying now

[vapid gorge]

you can also clock things in different ways

when a calculator tells you '59 smelters' what it's actually saying is you need 5900% production spread however you like

[silent patrol]

next question how much input per minute does one smelter make

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch smelter

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=smelter

[vapid gorge]

all the numbers are in the recipes in the codex and wiki

[silent patrol]

okay so they make 30/min and one of my mergers has 900 so thats 900/30 which equals 30 so id need 30 smelters for that one merger right?

just making sure my maths is correct

[vapid gorge]

how are you merging 900 together when you have mk4 belts?

[silent patrol]

dont ask questions...

GRAHHHH THIS IS A PAIN