math-and-meta

[wraith ruin]

a hell of a drug

[drifting trench]

actually never mind, can drones grab two different fuel types to takeoff?

because i was worried that a drone would be left with like 4 rocket fuel and not be able to take off

[tiny hearth]

i had exactly that happen yesterday. truly the final form of straight mode

[drifting trench]

it seems like they can

all of my drone ports switched over on their own without issues

[lusty tinsel]

Hey i read through that guide on pipelines and honestly cant figure out why my pipe manifold isnt full

anyone see anything?

its 4 refineries making fuel with 240 input

[drifting trench]

maybe its just struggling to get down the manifold because its consuming the exact amount?

[lusty tinsel]

this is a question i asked earlier though

[muted crypt]

the pipe isn't able to fill because it's consuming exactly what's being put in

[lusty tinsel]

i was told that you dont have to overproduce for a full pipe

[drifting trench]

I honestly don't know im just curious

[muted crypt]

if I put five of an item into a storage container input, and pull out five of that item from the storage container output, will the storage container ever fill?

no, it won't

now use that same analogy for your pipes

[hollow wave]

i've always had to like, toggle off one machine until it was full and then turn it back on

[drifting trench]

are all the refineries getting the crude they need?

trying to prefill is usually the answer

[muted crypt]

should be, four refineries consuming 60 crude/min checks out as 240

[drifting trench]

I was just curious if there was an actual problem or if the pipe just wasnt filling as is expected

[unique thicket]

anyone got any ideas as to why my pipes aren't supplying my generators with t-fuel even tho i make enough of it? i've noticed that the fuel doesnt flow to the t-fuel refinieries quick enough so it doesnt produce it all but it makes no sense

[muted crypt]

The question was "why isn't my pipe manifold full?"

it's because no excess fluid is being put into the pipe to fill it

[unique thicket]

i see i've come at the right time

[muted crypt]

consider turning off some generators until the pipe fills

[drifting trench]

prefilling just fixes manifolds a lot of the time

[lusty tinsel]

doesnt this analogy suggest that you need to overproduce. if thats the case how would you know by how much?

ok so shut off gens and prefill

and i shodnt have to increase output?

[muted crypt]

correct

[unique thicket]

i think thats how i started but i'll try, but i see that the refinieries for the turbo fuel arent being supplied with fuel fast enough either, and i already let the pipes fill so im not sure whats going on there

[muted crypt]

if you want the manifold to fill, you need to not be consuming as much as it's getting

[lusty tinsel]

ill try

[muted crypt]

I would need more information to be able to piece together the problem

[muted crypt]

just turn off the refineries for a few minutes lol

[drifting trench]

I wish there was a way to open the codex by pressing a hotkey on an item in your inventory like jei in modded minecraft

unless there is and i dont know

[muted crypt]

you can right click -> open in codex

[drifting trench]

omg

[muted crypt]

you're welcome

[drifting trench]

yeah holding it

[unique thicket]

do you mind if i dm you my productions real quick?

[muted crypt]

go for it

[drifting trench]

im still learning stuff in this game after so long

like i just realized a few days ago you can place power poles on lines

[vagrant idol]

YOU CAN????

[drifting trench]

yeah hahaha

[vagrant idol]

woah

[drifting trench]

that was my exact reaction

[muted crypt]

not actually 100% sure what you mean by this

[vagrant idol]

after the line is down you can chuck a pole on it

[drifting trench]

you can place a power pole on an existing power line and it just connects in series

[vagrant idol]

no more deleting poles cus i ran out of space

[muted crypt]

oh like with the power connection, yeah

I only keep power line on my hotbar and just hit e to change to poles if I need them

[drifting trench]

im a middle mouse enjoyer

especially with blueprints

just being able to select a blueprint in a second is so nice

[lusty tinsel]

prefilled to 100% crude in all 4 refineries and 100% in pipes, switched all 4 back on and pipe went back to being barely full

[drifting trench]

wait do you mean placing a new pole with the power connection itself?

or actually placing a pole on a line

[muted crypt]

the former

[drifting trench]

im confused

[lusty tinsel]

does everything downstream the output need to be 100% too?

[drifting trench]

do you know about the power pole on a line thing then? or am i just misunderstanding

[lusty tinsel]

ohh i know why

im going over pipe flow rate

[drifting trench]

thatll do it

[ashen girder]

Works with power towers and wall connectors toooo.

[remote ice]

do pipe junctions have a throughput limit? Could I, for instance, have two pipes with 600/minute flow go into two different pipes on one junction, with a total of 1200/minute going "through" the junction?

[drifting trench]

junctions have no limit

as long as no pipe going out will have more than 600 its fine

[grand jasper]

hmm was compacted coal good or bait for power?

early

[snow sundial]

really isnt worth it imo

[drifting trench]

i mean if you have sulfur it just effectively turns suflur into coal for power

5 coal 5 sulfur for the burn time of 10 or so coal

[grand jasper]

ah i see. so it makes sense i didnt remember that recipe at all

[true junco]

Compacted coal power is something i leaned into in my very first save because grassfielda and shortage of coal. But thats really a trap.

[drifting trench]

i mean it is potentially a lot more power but sulfur is kinda limited so its a trade off

and there really isnt anywhere that has both coal and suflur next to each other

[edgy leaf]

near blue crater lake

[drifting trench]

and the northern dune desert

[edgy leaf]

btw riggster, weren't you involved with the bottom feeding stuff? there were some interesting developments if you're interested, I made a thread #1288570155609227366. unless I'm mixing you up with someone else, then I apologize

[drifting trench]

i was the hypertube person lol

[edgy leaf]

ah

hypertubes, pipes, same thing !

[drifting trench]

all tube shaped

[edgy leaf]

I've been just as stubbornly obsessed with pipes recently, specifically bottom feeding. for some reason having more headlift makes it work, even though I technically.only need 10

[drifting trench]

huh

i think i have one setup that uses bottom feeding, im gonna go look at it to make sure its actually working now

[edgy leaf]

the vertical distance from the place where the pump is to the machines is 9.5 meters

a mk1 pump provides 20 meters of headlift, when I use a mk1 pump the system is very inefficient, machines stall and water extractors fill with water and stall

a MK2 pump provides 50 meters of headlift, when I use a MK2 pump the system works perfectly fine, nothing else changed

[drifting trench]

hm some of my aluminum refinerys that are bottom fed are like 85% effienciency despite not being near the 600 limit

[edgy leaf]

I only need 9.5 meters of headlift, why doesn't it work with the mk1 pump but it does work with the MK2 pump?

[drifting trench]

but only some?

[edgy leaf]

it's nonsensical

anyway I need to sleep, cya. have fun being bothered by pipes now muahahaha

[drifting trench]

im so confused

why no worky

i have 4 refineries on a single water line and its the one closest to the input on the manifold thats struggling?

and i just put a pump and it works now

okay game

[swift portal]

Is pure aluminum ingot worth it, you guys think?

[drifting trench]

this single pump fixed my aluminum

[drifting trench]

when combined with the other aluminum alts i think so

[swift portal]

Yeah? Which ones? I have sloppy aluminum

[drifting trench]

sloppy and electrode scrap

[swift portal]

Needs petroleum coke though

hmmm.

[drifting trench]

its like a 1:10 ratio of crude to bauxite ore

and you dont need any quartz or coal

[grand jasper]

oh no.
i have to set up oil
without all alt recipes

i need alt havy oil residue right?

[drifting trench]

you really dont need any at first

[wind spade]

you don't need it. It's nice to have, but you can do oil without it

[drifting trench]

just turn the excess heavy oil to petro and either burn it or sink it

[grand jasper]

i completely forgot oil. is there a chart i can check?

[wind spade]

codex ingame

[drifting trench]

Is it bad i still think resource wells are new even though they have been in the game since update 4

[deft lichen]

Minecraft horses still feel new

[latent bramble]

AI limiter takes copper and quickwire ..not sure how they combine
but sounds like a resistor
so AI limiter is a resistor ?

[deft lichen]

that's like wondering how do plastic and copper sheets combine to make circuit boards

it's an advanced circuit, most likely

[drifting trench]

I remember fiddling with the new launcher to get it to work to use the horses

[latent bramble]

plastic and copper - can make boards ...but still need components to fill it in

[true junco]

Note that instant scrap (unless it has changed in 1.0) is just as efficient in turning bauxite into aluminum scrap. It just takes a lot of sulfur and some coal instead of petro-coke.

[drifting trench]

true, i just think 120 crude for a pure bauxite is a lot easier to get

but no solution is nice

[modern rose]

Guys my math worked my coal generators now have enough coal

[drifting trench]

heck yeah

[modern rose]

All it took was Mk3 conveyors

[frosty owl]

Yeah, tbh that's the most annoying part of sushi 🙄
If signs could be "connected" to machines or of there was a way to change multiple signs at once (eg: using a "variable" that once changed it changes in all signs using it) managing sushi belts would be much less annoying

[high latch]

made something silly. it automatically balances two inputs to be a 1:1 ratio based on the input rate of the first input. only problem right now is it cant do both sides and it actually has a minimum throughput of 0.2 when theres nothing on the other belt

could quite easily be made to support other ratio's but I think the approximating thing makes it slightly inaccurate

[hollow wave]

someone should make a mod where you can overclock pumps to get more head lift

[versed violet]

You mean, megapump mod?

[drifting trench]

Idk if anyone will find this helpful lol but here is my space elevator part sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hbOmq0xJcqHOT9erlx-kg8aUCDLp6jV_EOwbZ3wIdUU/edit?usp=sharing

you can make a copy to edit it

[clever bay]

uranium fuel rods to plutonium fuel rods to ficsonium fuel rods....that ratio is 4:1:.25 right?

[drifting trench]

5:1:10 if im not mistaken

[clever bay]

ah 5:1:10 thank you

[amber jacinth]

Fics is 1:5 from plut, no?

[drifting trench]

yeah wait im wrong

ignore me

[clever bay]

so 25 uranium: 5 plutonium : 25 ficsonium ?

[drifting trench]

4:1:5

so for example i have 9 uranium 2.25 plutonium and 11.25 ficsonium

[clever bay]

ah so 20 uranium : 5 plutonium : 25 ficsonium

[amber jacinth]

It does depend on what alts you use for plut, as well

[drifting trench]

true

[clever bay]

you're right, I'll just check my recipes and math

needed some numbers to start thanks everyone

[amber jacinth]

If you want to burn off the most waste possible, then yeah, it's 4:1:5

(No alts for fics 😭 )

[clever bay]

yea I want to create a closed system as best I can is my main goal

[drifting trench]

there is almost no alts for tier 9 other than the billion ones for diamonds

[fringe crow]

Does this check out?

[drifting trench]

you could just merge the belts and manifold it

[clever bay]

errr....20 uranium rods produce 1000 per minute? Power plants burn .2 of a rod /min produce 10 waste / min

therefore burning 1 rod / min = 50 waste / min

[drifting trench]

50 waste per rod

10 waste per plutonium rod

[clever bay]

so 20 rods per min give me 1000 waste that i have to deal with

and then i have to deal with 50 plutonium waste per min if I'm producing 5 rods

[amber jacinth]

The most feasible max nuke setup I've concocted is 60/15/75 rods of each

This is with zero byproducts and assuming no sinking

[drifting trench]

is that with any converting or just the normal uranium

[amber jacinth]

400 uranium worth of converting

[drifting trench]

2 sloops and ya could double that

[amber jacinth]

33.33 RSAM for that, 3125 RSAM for the nuke factory

Note that this does assume you double RSAM with sloops

[amber jacinth]

Sure, but then you run out of RSAM to use in the actual nuke factory real quickly.

[drifting trench]

fair, i didnt realize you were already using it all just for the nuke

[wind spade]

new feature soon?

[amber jacinth]

I played around with 75/18.75/93.75 but the bauxite usage was over the max amount allowed, and RSAM usage was almost at max

[drifting trench]

PLEASE

[vapid gorge]

what's the benefit over just unticking sam?

[wind spade]

SAM productions are possible I guess 🤔

also is a bit more user-friendly and clearer than "disable a raw resource" imo

[drifting trench]

i mean only the rsam and the fluctuators dont use the converter if im not mistaken

i always just unticked the conversion recipe

[unborn ermine]

Great because it retroactively works with a few other recipe chains as well

[wind spade]

it was requested a lot (not just for SAM, but mostly for SAM, though some people wanted it for e.g. blenders)

[amber jacinth]

Definitely helps with the unlockable stuff (like making an oil setup before diluted) 👍

[clever bay]

oh thank god

having to uncheck all the converter recipes is annoying

[unborn ermine]

I can also see some people wanting it if they are steering clear of say, instead of leaning into refineries when checking stuff out.

[wind spade]

can just disable SAM (for now)

need to still fix a few things and changes before publishing this but should be up in like an hour or so

probably earlier

[amber jacinth]

pure ingots go brrrrrr

[glad shadow]

how many nuclear reactors can one manufacturer service properly?

[wind spade]

depends on a recipe

[glad shadow]

vanilla

[amber jacinth]

Two per, iirc

[vapid gorge]

don't calculate things based on machines.

[vapid gorge]

look at the wiki for burn rates

[amber jacinth]

the fuel rod recipe produces 0.4/m, and reactors burn 0.2, so

[fringe crow]

Starting in the Grassy Plains, I wanted to build something that used up the entire 180 Iron without any alt recipes. Ended up with this. Was fun to build as a starter.

[static nacelle]

does satisfactory tools support sloops?

[unborn ermine]

not yet, you can do some workarounds though

[bleak veldt]

Is this going to work?

[unborn ermine]

like adding what would be double of X item into the calculation

[static nacelle]

True

[tall sigil]

if you mean the water numbers on the pipe, yeah it will merge together. you could eventually put up a fluid buffer just to be sure 🙂

[unborn ermine]

I see a valve, 99% chance it will back up and clog.

thats all I know

[bleak veldt]

the valve is to prevent backflow

I dont want the 80 flowing back to the left

[wind spade]

it sucks at that

[bleak veldt]

can I use a powered pump?

[wind spade]

you can just loop the pipe and let fluids do their things

[bleak veldt]

I dont want this

[wind spade]

loop the pipe

[bleak veldt]

what do you mean loop the pipe?

[drifting trench]

as long as inputs and outputs on a manifold are the same it should just work

[wind spade]

building exactly like this pretty much guarantees that it will work

[bleak veldt]

ughh its so ugly! oh well okie dokie

thanks greeny

[distant narwhal]

is the starting coal meta 8 coal plants, 3 water extractors and and 180 coal or am i thinking wrong?

[wind spade]

120*

and it's not meta, it's just a clean ratio doable without changing clock speed

[distant narwhal]

oh sweet guess as soon as i get some kaboom then i can double my current set up sweet

[drifting trench]

and you can do this so you only need one pipe for all the coal generators

[distant narwhal]

Thats so much cleaner than how i have it lol spaghetti is not my favorite but man do i make alot of it

[drifting trench]

my factory is always some flavor of lasagna

spaghetti but with some orderly layers

and dont ever mention the pipes or belts coming into my factories

[fringe crow]

I basically build spaghetti under the main layer for me.

EG

[drifting trench]

I also made whatever this is

[cyan geyser]

#screenshots did i fail math class

[foggy tendon]

Whats the best recipe chain for fuel?

is it heavy oil residue - residual fuel?

[ashen girder]

Diluted fuel

[wind spade]

depends what do you mean by "best"

[foggy tendon]

most oil efficent

[vapid gorge]

@bleak veldt do not use valves or buffers

valves do not prevent back flow

[urban kite]

Yeah it's surely HOR -> diluted fuel or diluted package fuel. Both diluted recipes produce the same ratio of fuel, but diluted packaged uses a bit more space and power (but you get access to it earlier).

[frail linden]

low lvl spaghetti fr

[nocturne briar]

sorry for the question but should i take molded beam or steeled frame

actually i think beam is better for me

[glossy schooner]

am i stupid for only just coming to the realization that train weight only matters climbing up an incline?

[sacred pilot]

did they make shards in generators just multiply the input and output linearly in 1.0? Can I blow power shards simplifying a power setup?

[tame harbor]

Yeah HOR->Diluted is what you want.

From there going for regular Turbofuel->Rocket Fuel is the best way forward

[tame harbor]

Always have

[cursive heron]

yes but not 1.0, been like that for a while

[sacred pilot]

kk

[tame harbor]

(Or at least they did in 0.8)

[sacred pilot]

don't think i've played since 6

[tame harbor]

12 Shards in Fuel Generators gives you 2.5 GW

And even before Tier 9? Using sloops you'll be swimming in shards

[sacred pilot]

I'm sharding these bad boys lol I just realized how big 25 of them will be

[tame harbor]

Sharding those makes them take an even 600 m^3/minute

[sacred pilot]

mmmm love it

[tame harbor]

(but I half wonder if I'll even use Nuclear for my end-goal base)

[sacred pilot]

the tier 9 power consumption just gets so out of control

[tame harbor]

Rocket fuel is just dead simple

[sacred pilot]

I decided to go 'screw it' mode

[tame harbor]

Set up shop in blue crater and go to town

HOR->Diluted->Turbo->Rocket consuming all 2,550 crude in Blue Crater, (and almost 3,600 Sulfur/Coal) makes enough rocket fuel for 566.666 GW

Takes 906.66 250% fuel generators

To say nothing of hooking up, all the inputs

[sacred pilot]

I used the mk3 bp maker to immediately make a 2x2 fuel gen manifold

[wind spade]

live now ^

[lethal condor]

That’s a lot of slug juice

[tame harbor]

2,719 shards in just the fuel generators
not counting any other buildings like extractors or blenders to keep the sanity buildings down.

orrrr about 4 hours 31 minutes of letting this run in the background. (will need a one-time injection of ~200 R-SAM->DMR to kickstart the loop)

[lethal condor]

Time to crush some slugs

[past wagon]

Hey team, so I know this looks slightly unhinged buuut
Hows this look for true Starter T3/4 production factory /min? I've squeaked by with no actual foundations the first couple hours, copper products going online first to facilitate Coal power to power the rest 🤔

[ashen girder]

Feels like overkill to me.

Also seems to be missing the elevator parts.

[leaden cosmos]

You will probably want to suppliment iron plate and concrete for the depot

[kind silo]

you might feel in a bit of a crunch when it comes to tier 5 and 6 on the encased industrial beams because they are used for mk4 belts. make sure you get a good backlog of encased beams and motors because youll need those for oil production. for general usage, the plates and rods and modular frames and especially the concrete is a bit slow when going into the higher tiers. dont skimp out on steel beams too as you build in tier 3 and 4 as they are the main belt supply for mk3 belt. you will enjoy bein able to build glass windows with all that silica though hehe

[leaden cosmos]

I think on our multiplayer server we needed 6x240/min to keep up with blueprints 😄

[kind silo]

you may also need to look into more rotor production if you intend to use some alternate recipes or alternative means of oil refinement because of water extractors. as long as you arent rapidly building you should be fine; just know that when you put all your parts to the depot youll start to know what parts you use the most as those parts will run out on the depot first

also wesjones, dont forget to put wire, steel pipe, and reanimated sam on the menu so you can use your supply to craft parts for depots now and then; if you upkeep it and handcraft every now and then when they stock up in the depot youll have a mass supply of an array of parts really early on and itll help you build

apart from all i said, what production rates you want are mainly dependant on how you build; if youre a spaghetti builder and rarely build foundations, maybe a higher productio nrate of the belt materials will interest you, and if you like building al ot of foundation, making multiple dimensional depots of concrete might interest you as well, and if you like mass factory like me, then getting a high supply of the advanced parts might interest you too (don't skip out on the cables, its easy to miss it!)

[vagrant idol]

is there any way to completely overflow a fuel generator without crashing a small grid

[kind silo]

what do you mean by that?

[past wagon]

All great thoughts, thanks!

[kind silo]

glad to help

[vagrant idol]

im using a lot of manifolds that I'd prefer to overflow, i usually fill up all my fuel generators before activating, but it would be more difficult this time

usually i crash the grid so they still accept fuel

[cursive heron]

what does crash the grid mean

[vagrant idol]

i make a tiny power grid with a biofuel gen and something big so it crashes

a crashed grid still lets coal and fuel gens accept input\

simply having power, they dont accept inputs

[cursive heron]

oh you mean purposefully blow the fuse

[vagrant idol]

yea

[cursive heron]

if you want them to fill without consuming* any inputs you need to go to every generator and flip the switch

should be a switch icon on the bottom right of its UI that will turn it off but still accept input

[vagrant idol]

i think ill just crash a grid instead

[cursive heron]

yes, have fun

oof thats gonna be a nightmare to troubleshoot down the line, the producers are below while the consumers are elevated

[vagrant idol]

yeah, should be alr tho

if my pumps dont work ill just make some water tower type things

imma be making 3000 turbofuel

[kind silo]

oh so youre saying you want to prime your generators without using the fuel

[vagrant idol]

i wanna overflow the entire system without having the generators start

[kind silo]

a grid crash would work well for that, make sure you have battery power to keep the fuel generation running until its ready to give power back

[cursive heron]

second option you have I just remembered is to disconnect them, as long as they're not wired to anything (including empty poles) they shouldn't consume any fuel

[vagrant idol]

i have like 150,000 mw in batteries

[vagrant idol]

yea but then they also wont accept fuel

[kind silo]

you can see which pipes are not working and checking the flow rates of the supply pipes will help you understand where something is underproducing

[vagrant idol]

yea

[glossy schooner]

what's the best way to get rid of a little bit of waste water?

[vagrant idol]

it'll be a few days till i start it anyways, just wanted to prepare

[cursive heron]

wetconcrete

[kind silo]

@glossy schooner packaged water, sink it

[glossy schooner]

rn i have 10.5 sloppy alu refineries feeding 10.5 alu scrap refineries

10 of the scrap refineries feeds water back into 6 sloppy alu but that leaves 0.5 refineries worth of water

[cursive heron]

how are you getting net positive water

from byproduct

oh wait 6 sloppy alu

yeah just wet concrete it

[kind silo]

thatès valid too

[cursive heron]

just make sure to use an n-pipe so only excess goes into wet concrete

[kind silo]

do they know what an N-pipe is? maybe provide them a picture of an n-pipe @cursive heron

[glossy schooner]

yall think this will behave normally?

[ember fractal]

Probably ™️

[cursive heron]

hopefully ™️

[pulsar idol]

so now we can recycle the plutonium waste?

this is new

[bitter plume]

Hey new player here. Anyone able to tell me how good the Quartz Purification recipe is? That Dissolved Silica seems like it could be great for maximizing quartz output for aluminum production

[cursive heron]

maximizing every quartz node in the map and using quartz purif + distilled will output 15,187.5 silica and 8437.5 quartz crystal

with sloppy alumina and default aluminum you'd need 18450 silica for 14 760 alu
with default alumina and aluminum you'd need 10 250 silica for 12 300 alu

[bitter plume]

Yall are built different using every node on the map o.O

[cedar ivy]

Most never get close.

[bitter plume]

I meant like maximizing one pure node

[cedar ivy]

that's just the theoretical upper limit

[cursive heron]

though you probably don't need 8.4k quartz crystal/min since thats only going into crystal oscis, radio control units, and power shards

upper limit for making alien power matrixes (50/min for 10 augmenters) needs 3420 quartz crystal

[cursive heron]

eeeh this really depends whether or not you need the quartz crystal

[cedar ivy]

seems like a mix of purified and silica/cheap silica is ideal

[bitter plume]

damn apparently I never found a cheap silica recipe lol

I need the silica more than i need quartz crystal as im only making occilators with it

[cursive heron]

easier to analyze a theoretical upper limit than a conditional case to case basis

[cedar ivy]

granted it is pretty conditional... I still would want to know what's the likely demand for quartz crystal vs silica, and i know there are quite a few other silica-using alts

[drifting trench]

The difference of slooping all space elevator parts for phase 5

[cedar ivy]

not that i'm asking for it right now, just that's something i'm pondering

just knowing the upper limit of aluminum production is good to know

[cursive heron]

ratios for quartz crystal recipes are for every 1 quartz crystal its
default: 1.67 raw quartz
fused: 1.38 raw quartz
pure: 1.28 raw quartz
purification: 1.6 raw quartz (but also makes 0.92 silica)

[bitter plume]

Exactly what I wanted to know thank you

[delicate cradle]

Please ignore how bad the handwriting is, but this is my math on my turbofuel powerplant that uses all available resources by the blue crater lake. If someone can help, maybe check if my math is right, id heavily appreciate it, and if needed i can explain the numbers

[cursive heron]

silica/qc demand depends on your alts, highest consumers for silica are circuit boards, silicon high speed connector, non fissile uranium, and default aluminum*
highest consumers for quartz crystal is oscillator, power shard, and radio connection unit

[cedar ivy]

Yeah.

seems heavily leaning to silica

[delicate cradle]

For the notepad: on the left is recipes, on the right is machines needed

[cursive heron]

which is again conditional since circuit board and hsc can also lean more into caterium

[cedar ivy]

but other than uranium, which isnt that high of demand, those are optional alts to substitute for something else like copper

[bitter plume]

Yea I have the CB HSC alt recipes that I havnt been able to make great use of yet but that Purification Recipe seems like it will solve my issue

[delicate cradle]

@gusty rampart add a pipe pump mk2 right out of the oil extractor, should help with your flow problems(couldnt talk in screenshots without a photo)

[hollow wave]

is it just me or do all the weapons suck? unlocking a lot of them for the first time and they all kill things at the same speed

[clever bay]

so, wait

if a drone uses uranium fuel, it doesn't make any waste?

[cursive heron]

no

[clever bay]

is there a way to calculate fuel consumption rate of drones or is it trial and error?

[unborn ermine]

I think from seeing screenshots, it calculates it after a trip is done.

[clever bay]

hmmmmm

[unborn ermine]

like it shows all

[hot junco]

After the drone finishes one trip it will tell you the exact amount

[clever bay]

mmmm

[hot junco]

As well as time spend and stacks per minute transfered

[clever bay]

so here's my conundrum

[rapid lintel]

you know what they should add to the game?... a splitter/merger looking box that you can place on a belt that tells you how many resources per minute is going through it

[sour ingot]

is there a "best" item to dump into the sink? im at 600/1000 tickets needed

[hot junco]

In terms of raw value is slooped warp drives

[sour ingot]

All of my excess production is going into the sink currently and its still barely moviung

[clever bay]

alien protein

[hot junco]

if you can make those of corse

[clever bay]

oh 600 TICKETS

sorry thought you meant points

didn't read sorry

[sour ingot]

no worries

[clever bay]

yea warp drives

[sour ingot]

What's a warp drive

[clever bay]

ok, here's my conundrum. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=s6yMJYPRhzhRnx8KgISs

[hot junco]

Its the final space elevator part

Has crazy point value for resources needed

[clever bay]

Want to make 20 uranium 26.667 plutonium and whatever ficsonium I'll get to that later

[pulsar idol]

i wanna start using nuclear power, however i need to be in tier 9 to be able to recycle the plutonuim waste

[hot junco]

That doesnt work

[clever bay]

In order to make this I need 2100 uranium per minute aka all of the uranium on the map

[hot junco]

The amount of your plutonium rods is your uranium rods / 4

[clever bay]

it should?

20 uranium = 1000 waste per minute

[hot junco]

your ficsonium rods is plutonium rods * 5

[clever bay]

oh right yea im not worried about ficsonium just yet but good callout

[pulsar idol]

i rather just make like 5 of the fisconuim fuel rods

[clever bay]

so ok GETTING the uranium

[pulsar idol]

not god dam 20

[clever bay]

I'm prolly gonna use drones

[pulsar idol]

best option

[hot junco]

Its also 1000 waste per rod

not waste per minute

[clever bay]

now to get things up and running ill prolly use turbofuel

[hot junco]

20 Uranium rods produce 200 waste per minute

[pulsar idol]

how to recycle

[sour ingot]

Oh frick.. I am currently handcrafting those lol

[pulsar idol]

101 lesson

[clever bay]

but i thought id be cheeky and use uranium fuel rods for the drones

[sour ingot]

is there a way to see how many id need for the last 400 tickets?

[hot junco]

Space elevator parts cant be handcrafted

[pulsar idol]

ooof

[sour ingot]

manually feeding manufacturers lol

[hot junco]

Thats a different story

[clever bay]

1 rod = 50 waste per minute since fuel power plants burn .2 rods / min and make 10 waste / min

[hot junco]

1 rod is not 50 waste per minute

[clever bay]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/codex/buildings/nuclear-power-plant

[hot junco]

Uranium burns for 5 minutes in total producing 50 waste TOTAL and 10 per MINUTE

[clever bay]

OHHHHHHHhhhhhh i read that wrong then

[pulsar idol]

u can use the waste to make plutounium

and use that waste to make into fiscon fuel rods

[hot junco]

Thats why your ratios are 4:1 Plutonium, 1:5 ficsonium

[clever bay]

so 1 rod produces 10 waste per minute therefore 20 will produce 200 waste

got it

[hot junco]

Which leaves you at 50.4 Uranium, 12.6 Plutonium and 63 Ficsonium if you fully max the uranium without converting

[clever bay]

ok that changes numbers then

[hot junco]

however, 63 ficsonium per minute will absolutely delete all SAM on the map unless you build the most annoying t9 loop ever

[clever bay]

yea nah I just wanna make 20 uranium rods to cover power then burn off the waste as efficiently as possible from there

BUT back to my conundrum

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Drone

so ok I can be cheeky and make rods with like packaged fuel fueling the drones for a while

[hot junco]

Also dont use maximize on this unless you wanna give yourself a headache

[clever bay]

but then I can pull a lil switcheroo and switch the fuel of the drones to uranium fuel rods

meaning I can now use the turbo fuel for other things

I'm just debating if that's the right call

[hot junco]

It is a call

[clever bay]

since I don't know how much fueling drones with uranium fuel rods will "siphon" my supply of fuel rods for power

[hot junco]

iirc Uranium drones need 0.04 per minute

[pulsar idol]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=E4BRHWeW3asNHRNoNbqk

i might aim to make 10/min

since its enough for me to start

[clever bay]

so 5 drones making trips......average trip from the swamp to all the parts of the map and back is like 5 minutesish

eh that's super minimal i think then

[hot junco]

I'd balance it around one uranium node on the map so you use 300 or 600 uranium per minute

[pulsar idol]

i can just lower its down to either 5 or 7.5/min

[clever bay]

because if a drone takes 5 minutes per trip that means they'll need a new fuel rod every 125 mins

[hot junco]

Think the nearest round number you can make from 600 uranium is like 14 ish

[pulsar idol]

isnt that one node?

[hot junco]

Ye

[pulsar idol]

or 2?

overlocked 250%

[hot junco]

well its one normal or two impure

[clever bay]

normal node with a mk3 miner fully overclocked

[hot junco]

but they are super spread out on the map so combing two is kinda annoying

[clever bay]

or 2 impure

[pulsar idol]

oh

thats quite good

[hot junco]

iirc its ~41.xxx uranium per rod if you use UFU

[pulsar idol]

should i do 5, 7.5, 10 or 14/min uranuim fuel rods?

as a start for nuclear power

[clever bay]

I'm doing 20

[hot junco]

If you think about it. 14 Uranium rods will fuel 70 nuclear power plants making 175 GW of power

[pulsar idol]

im just starting to build on.....

[hot junco]

or 28 if you overclock to 250%

[pulsar idol]

one*

oh, i might do that

[clever bay]

this is about as clean of a setup i can get https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=sQYWjXLvmhAjHujwQPDg

Some of the alternate recipes introduce more problems than they solve

but I'm also smelting on site and training or belting in from there

[pulsar idol]

i might do 28 (overclocked 250%)

[hot junco]

Doing that whole fuel stuff is definitely an undertaking

[clever bay]

isn't there something weird with overclocking reactors? Like it's less efficient somehow?

[hot junco]

Nope

[sour ingot]

I wonder if dumping hoverpacks into the sink would get me to the 1000 coupons faster

omg ty checkit

[pulsar idol]

i mean i can do less, like making 7.5 uranuim fuel rods per min

with less 250 overclocked power plants

[hot junco]

Oh that wasnt directed at you

[vast jungle]

hmm... did the step from Copper Alloy to Pure Copper got re-balanced?

Copper Alloy takes 50 Copper to make 100 Ingots (and 50 Iron)... Pure Copper takes 40 Copper alone to make 100 Ingots

[pulsar idol]

ohh whoops

[clever bay]

Yea I think so, someone on reddit found a closed loop if you sloop one of the machines

[pulsar idol]

so how many 250% overclocked nuclear power plants needed if i build a 7.5 nuclear fuel rods per min?

[clever bay]

I forget the details tho

[hot junco]

Like 15?

[vast jungle]

what do you mean with "closed loop" ?

[pulsar idol]

i guess thats ok?

[clever bay]

power plants burn .5 rods / min soooooo

7.5/.5

sorry over clocked power plants burn

[hot junco]

Still 93.75 GW of power

[pulsar idol]

still alot

[clever bay]

closed loop meaning you don't even need water input after everythings primed, it feeds off itself

[vast jungle]

I don't think this works for Copper and Iron... because all recipes take Ore and produce Ingots, so there is no loop involved

[fallow yew]

Hey guys, can I ask a basic question here?

[clever bay]

no no not that part

[hot junco]

You just asked one (:

But go ahead just ask away

[clever bay]

hold please

[fallow yew]

Thank you

[clever bay]

yea here https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fr8wfcjo8cvqd1.png

Right refinery Sloppy Alumina at 250%, takes 500 water in, makes 600 alumina solution.

Left making scrap at 166.66% with sloops bringing that to 1200 scraps and 400 water for 400 solution.
Middle making scrap at 83.33%, 300 scraps and 100 water for the remaining 200 solution.

Once I filled the bottom pipes with water, I cut off its source, runs indefinitely with no additional water needed.

[vast jungle]

but thats just for the water... not for the Bauxit

and water is practically free

[clever bay]

right yea you can't optimize beyond that but i thought it was neat! Not having to deal with by product is always nice

[fallow yew]

I have a small issue with distribution. For example, my factory needs around 1080 Iron ores per minute to produce iron steel ingots. The issue is I only have a mk4 belts which have a 480 item per minute limit. Initially I thought of splitting the iron ores line into 3 and I made a diagram. I just want check if my answer to the issue is the most sufficient one atm.

[clever bay]

so you can use a manifold design instead

[vast jungle]

just start with a full MK4 belt, use a manifold and when the belt is getting nearly empty, merge in the next belt... repeat until no belt is left 😉

[clever bay]

based on your diagram tho it looks right

just more beltwork is the thing

[fallow yew]

Exactly. I am using a manifold design. I just wanted to check the belts splitting and merging if it makes sense.

[vast jungle]

I think it makes sense...

[hot junco]

Once saturated your plan will work yes.

[clever bay]

wait iron steel ingots?

[hot junco]

solid steel most likely

[fallow yew]

Iron & steel*
Sorry for the typo

[clever bay]

oh so this is your iron line GOING to steel?

[drifting trench]

my current plan for t9 parts. the sam fluctuators, 45 of the oscillators and power shards are for alien power augmenters

[clever bay]

I still need to complete the assembly director phase of space elevator....

[fallow yew]

I am running the iron ores into smelters for iron ingots and foundries for steel ingots

[drifting trench]

I might genuinely finish phase 5 before i finish this factory

[clever bay]

lol Phase 4 is where things get daunting imo

[drifting trench]

yeah

phase 5 costs are honestly a little too cheap

[hot junco]

Exactly my thought

[clever bay]

huh, don't spoil it I'm taking my time

[drifting trench]

like you only need 128 Quantum processors for phase 5

thats a bit too cheap

if you sloop that is

and like

like unironically the hardest phase 5 part it seems is the 1000 pasta

[hot junco]

Which you shouldve automated from phase 4 already so its a set it and forget it angle

[drifting trench]

yeah

but still pasta just takes a while to make

I still have it done but yeah

[pulsar idol]

hmmm does using 4 sloops double the output of a item?

[hot junco]

Depends on the building

[pulsar idol]

if so i might do that for my nuclear power factory

[hot junco]

in manufacturers yes, 4x is double on every cycle

[pulsar idol]

oh so 15 rods per min

[vast jungle]

Constructor = 1, Assembler = 2, Manufacturer = 4

more precise:
1 Smelter, Constructor
2 Assembler, Foundry, Refinery, Converter
4 Manufacturer, Blender, Particle Accelerator, Quantum Encoder
(from the wiki)

250 OC Particle Accelerator with Loops... hope your Power Grid is still okay 😉

[regal nymph]

Chat I have a adumb question
What do you prefer
Output x y z each at 30 per min with ducky logistics
Or output x y z at 15 30 and 60 per min with easy logistics ?

[hot junco]

Yes?

[regal nymph]

I just redid my steel factory and realised I could redo it again to even out outputs but idk if I should bother

[hot junco]

If it works why change it?

[regal nymph]

Because it could always work better

Not like I lose anything by redoing old factories so

[vast jungle]

this highly depends on the type of output and why I need them

[regal nymph]

Yeahh that's fair
Guessing steel pipes being at 60 is a lot less valuable than encased beans being at 30?

[vast jungle]

for some items the output numbers don't matter at all, you just "round up" the number of production machines and use a smart-splitter to siphon off some of them into a container... for others, you want high throughput to not run out during major construction ^^

if you are on MK4 belts, EIBs might be REALLY important... and expensive.
When you transition to MK5 belts you ask yourself "what the hell do I do with all this EIBs?"

[regal nymph]

I'm at mk3s rn....

Yeahh I guess I'm not upgrading eibs lmao

That is very useful info though
Gonna want to sliop the assemblers for a bit to build a backlog for t4

[vast jungle]

I have MK4 tech but still use MK3 belts... because I like how dirt cheap they are and I don't want to spend time right now on a larger EIB factory

you can always just use a bit ok MK4 belt for the miner and then split into two MK3 belts

[regal nymph]

:2divernoted:

[vast jungle]

more belts, more complex factory, but it works...

[pulsar idol]

mhm

[regal nymph]

So like the thing where you do your main manifold line at max tier but then the split offs to smelters are MK1 because each smelter takes 30 max anyways?

[vast jungle]

yes... or when you are using an injection manifold because you have too much input for one belt

the issue is that MK2 and MK4 belts are expensive compared to MK1/MK3/MK5

[eager solar]

I did eib with iron pipes and encased iron pipes alt, it makes them really easy to set up

[regal nymph]

Hmm noted noted
Also tbh the only reason mk 2s are expensive isi because of stack size

[river night]

i tend to use mk4 only when necessary, although i wouldnt split a belt to avoid it, its not that costly once you setup automation for EIBs

[regal nymph]

I've seen that recepie around and could probably use it yeahh
Shame I'll need to explore efofr rut though

[river night]

I imagine the same will apply for 5/6, not quite there yet (eg. use 5 most of the time, 6 only when required)

[regal nymph]

Alright

Last one thing I need to ask

Will making a water tower with a backlog help with coal generators being thirsty as all hell? I have like 64 generators in the whole world and the same 4 keep struggling with water in spite of me overfeeding them and putting like 3 pumps per pipe

I even tried turning them off for a while to build a water backlog but that just dried up and I am producing 180 water per minute

[eager solar]

Worth it, I started in n forest with a bunch of iron nodes and some limestone unused, alts allowed to auto about 5/mins of pipes, eib and motors with just those

[river night]

sounds like some piping issue somewhere, more pumps dont help, only need the right amount of pumps

[regal nymph]

Ah fun

Whatever guess I'll just need to redo the whole water setup

[regal nymph]

I mean alts are fun yeahh but I've got plenty of nodes in the rocky dessert so I can make do with base recepies

Thanks though lategame I might just redo with alts

[eager solar]

Better do another one than redo a factory tho

[regal nymph]

I mean yeahh

But it's like right in between 2 pure iron nodes 2 normal coals and 2 impure coals and 5 pure limestone ones

Location is made for this

[vast jungle]

liquid towers nearly never help

easiest way to get coal generators running smoothly is to use one Water Extracter UCed to 75% for each pair of Coal Generators... no piping issues, so side-effects... just a few more independent pipes

(or if you have too many power-shards, 1 Water Generator OCed to 150% for 4 Coal Generators)

[marsh plover]

Is crude oil > HoR > Diluted fuel > Turbo Blend fuel the best recipie to make turbofuel? Or is
Crude oil > HoR > Diluted fuel > Compacted coal + regular turbofuel recipie better?

[vast jungle]

depends on how much you value Sulfur compared to Oil...

Blended Turbofuel is easier to do, but you get more Turbofuel per Oil-input with the original chain... and it costs you more machines and Sulfur/Coal

and of course if you want to build a powerplant in Tier 5/6, the Blender is not yet available

[marsh plover]

I have the mentioned recipies, and i want to get as much turbo fuel as possible from the crude oil input.
So using no alternative recipies makes the most turbofuel? 😮

[regal nymph]

Ucd?

Ah underclocked

Smart

[cursive heron]

turboblend removes coal and uses less sulfur but uses more oil

[low flume]

oh my god the overflow sink for my stored modular frames has been unpowered since before I completed phase 2. so many lost materials it hurts

[cursive heron]

for 900 turbo its 405 crude, 720 sulfur, 720 coal with compacted
675 crude, 450 sulfur with turbo blend

[thorny iron]

I wanna produce a few Modular Frames (120/min to be precise)
Did someone analyse the alternate recepies? Steeled frames produce more per assembler but more steel than default + steel rod. Any recommendations on the recepie chain? Power is not an issue but screws make logistics to complicated and to much machines are more challenging (or laggy idk how good the game is) so maybe based on resource value?

[vast jungle]

it sidesteps the "3 Water Extractors for 8 Coal Generators, but beware of piping" issue 😉

[vast jungle]

often Crude Oil is more plenty than coal and sulfur... so I would go with the Blended recipe if you are already Tier 7/8

on the other side, if you want to continue to Rocket Fuel, you get compacted coal as a "by-product"...

[marsh plover]

I guess ill go with blended, already have the trainstations setup for that ant it was my initial idea. But when i looked into it more it seemed like compacted coal variant gave more turbofuel.. Mainly looked at the weight points on the wiki without knowing what it actually mean ><

[vast jungle]

the weight points are an attempt to turn a multi-dimensional problem into a single number... with the usual effects of "oversimplification"

more important to understand the tradeoffs between the recipes

[marsh plover]

feels like im never gona get to the point where ive run out of resources on the map. And space wise i think the blended one is better

[vast jungle]

Sulfur, Caterium and Quartz can sometimes be "too far away" if you don't import them by train... but the rest is usually plenty

[cursive heron]

you're building fuel plants near oil not the other way around, blend is easier because it removes having to import coal

[marsh plover]

Im not building anything close to resources, to fed up with shit poking thru the foundations ><

[vast jungle]

thats what Nobelisk is for 😉

[cursive heron]

isnt that what conveyer and pipe holes are for

[marsh plover]

Yeah but not everything can be boomed 😄 the two first bases where in a coozy place but ended up being to small cause i build to close to the ground and with no expanding in mind.. 😄

now its not about having a good veiw of the outside enviroment, i rarely see the outside cause something needs to be built or better optimized

[vast jungle]

building with Enviromental constraints can be both fun and annoying

[edgy leaf]

im yearning for conveyer wall holes..

[vast jungle]

just use 1x1m Displays turned completely black to fake them

[edgy leaf]

thats just not the same...

[vast jungle]

yes, but its nearly the same and doesn't look "wrong" on first look

[latent swallow]

anybody know whats a good number of packaged fuel to make to run about half a dozen drones?

[vast jungle]

maybe a full train car? 😉

the precise number highly depends on the throughput (number of flights!) and distance of your drone connections

[cursive heron]

~3 packaged rocketfuel/min per drone

[sullen mulch]

what do you guys reckon, thinking about taking this on as a project to actually make use of all the resources in the bottom right of the map, obviously I'll be doing a nuclear build pretty soon after but the packaged fuel would be good to have for vehichles too especially drones

[latent swallow]

got the numbers for regular packaged fuel and turbofuel?

even an estimate is fine

[silent citrus]

Are people into underclocking much? Just found that if you build 100x at 1% you save 77% of the power usage it looks like lol. Seems almost gimmicky, kind of wish underclocking was linear and just overclocking exponential maybe

[cursive heron]

no, not really any point in using lower tier fuel when you can just mass produce rocket

[latent swallow]

only using lower tier fuel bc its convenient for what i have planned atm, definately could make rocket fuel it just needs more logistics work to get everything in

[vast jungle]

1600 Sulfur is quite a lot, bit with MK3 miners its feasible... even more with MK6 belts

[sullen mulch]

yeah big time, i mean for now it'd all me done on MK2 but there are 2 pure nodes in the area for sulphur making it doable with the aluminium basics but I could wait for MK3 miners

[stone wolf]

hey guys whats your go to recipes for computers and HMF?

[vast jungle]

ask yourself a different question... do you have more Quartz or more Caterium available at the place you want to build the Computers

[potent aurora]

i have a little calculation side project at work when i have nothing to do, but i cant access my game from here.
is there anywhere i can dl the en_us docs json file for 1.0? the file got corrupted that i used.

[regal nymph]

God I can't wait for T2 pipes

[drifting trench]

I can dm it to you

[potent aurora]

that would be apriciated 🤗

[cursive heron]

people are waiting for t3 pipes ngl

[wind spade]

Why?

[regal nymph]

Fairive seen the massive pipe networks people have to supply nuclear with water

[river night]

Those will never exist, in any case. The game doesnt like high volumes of fluid, or high flowrates rather

[wind spade]

Build nuclear above water

[regal nymph]

Even then it's so much pipe
But yeahh building above water helps

[silver aurora]

Is it better to have a node make just one thing and then transport them or try to set up comon area to craft things

[cursive heron]

I mean we were at a point where mk5 belts were also bugging out when trying to provide the full throughput and we now have mk6

[river night]

OC the reactor, one pipe per reactors, its a closed unit, maybe lots of pipe, but easy enough to make

[wind spade]

No? You just have the extractor directly next to the nuclear plant

[wind spade]

Mk5s never had issues

It was an issue of belt to belt connections, no matter what belt mk

[river night]

that was not an issue with mk5 belts being too fast, but rather throughput being lost on belt connections - which was the most obvious on mk5 because its the fastest, very different issue

[regal nymph]

Oh dam really? That's nice
Honestly I don't really know jack about nuclear setups so that's good info

[river night]

I mean, just build it how you like, shortening the water pipe is the easiest

[wind spade]

@fast jacinth see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[cursive heron]

belt to belt wouldn't that be technically the same as having the pipe to pipe issues, because as long as its a short pipe with few junctions it actually can output 600 m3
similar to belts

[wind spade]

Mk2 pipe can always do 600

Same as mk5 belt can always do 780

The only bug with pipes are the floor holes

[cursive heron]

then what's to say we can't have mk3 pipes

[river night]

the "problem" is the fluid simulation getting in your way, because 600 flow does not mean 600 in the direction you want it to go, you get backflow that uses some of that 600, and suddenly some place no longer gets enough, a very different issues to belts

[cursive heron]

since pipes and belts work flawlessly

[wind spade]

Because people already suck at building mk2s

[river night]

also the devs have said that they are just borderline on the precision required to run the fluid simulation, increasing it would likely start introducing issues

[unborn ermine]

I just had a silly thought.
Augmenters boost active power...
Do augmenters boost battery output?

[cursive heron]

can't tell if this is sarcastic or we actually gatekeeping having better tools for the reason of 'u just bad lol'

[wind spade]

No, because power storages (not batteries) are not power producers

[cursive heron]

kinda like the discussions that revolved around blueprints and area building, when blue prints and zoop weren't a thing

[wind spade]

Neither. People would complain how mk3s are even more broken than mk2s, when it would be user issue.

[unborn ermine]

It would be rather silly if it did yeah.

[noble timber]

Every day there is multiple people here with problems in their mk 2 pipe networks

[silver aurora]

Yeah but pipes issue are mostly user error

[noble timber]

Yeah

[cursive heron]

alright, we can't have nice things because other people would complain. Pretty solid point I guess

[noble timber]

So if people can’t use mk 2 how will they cope with mk 3 😂

[edgy leaf]

do any of yall know how to display pipe debug stats?

if thats even possible

this stuff seems very interesting but idk how to use it

[stone wolf]

definetly caterium, im in the dune desert

[wind spade]

Also, I have a parser that converts it to much more useful file, if you want that

[potent aurora]

sure, i can take a look, if i first can parse it to more readable it could maybe help.

[wind spade]

https://github.com/greeny/SatisfactoryTools/blob/master/data/data1.0.json

Warning, long file

[vast jungle]

Which means the crystal computer recipe might not be good for your situation

[potent aurora]

hmm, i seen that one already but that's already parsed, that would make me rely on you keeping it up to date in case of changes 😉
i understood you had a tool to do it myself.
but i apreciate the offer of using your file

[wind spade]

The parser for this will be available soon anyway. And since the file is part of my Tools, I'm keeping it up to date 🙂

[potent isle]

this oil stuff is getting pretty complicated is there a good youtube guide someone can reccomend?

[vast jungle]

first oil setup?

[potent isle]

yes

[vast jungle]

so you are wondering how you get rid of Heavy Oil Residue?

[potent isle]

yes and the extra from my research so far should be stored in a buffer

but that will eventually fill up to

and i will have to manually flush it

[vast jungle]

I would suggest look into the Recipe list what you can make from HOR... if its a solid, you can sink it

thats enough for a first Pastic/Rubber setup...

don't make it too complicated by trying to do something useful with the HOR for now, just get rid of it so you get the sweet constant flow of Rubber/Plastic running

[potent isle]

alright

[vast jungle]

afterwards you can more easilily progress through Tier 5/6 and think about how you want to extend your Plastic/Rubber production with a better factory

and while you do something else (e.g. look for more HDs), your factory will pile of Plastic and Rubber ^^

[drifting trench]

making fuel out of heavy oil residue and burning it is also a good way to get rid of it

[vast jungle]

I would suggest NOT trying to use the byproduct... because its easy to get wrong and you don't want an unreliable Powerproduction only because of your Plastic is full ^^

for now... later you can get fancy

[drifting trench]

just sink excess plastic

[wind spade]

Not spoonfeeding answers and letting the user know where to find info is better 🙂

[drifting trench]

fair but jeez

[vast jungle]

for "first time plastic/rubber", keep-it-simple is king... enough chances to make your own mistakes later 😉

[vestal path]

Just advanced past tier 2 and unlocked steel and I need some advice. I have a multiple layer square-based structure in the red square of that screenshot. I was thinking if it is clever to make some kind of resource extraction regions (red "circles"), set up some truck stations and bring them all to the square base. But maybe it's better in this stage of the game to just bring them with conveyors. What would you do in my situation?

[vast jungle]

you can do either, or build a complete factory at the new cluster of nodes... all of this works. Playing with Vehicles can be fun to form your own opinion about them, just make sure you have a "plan B" when the experiment fails...

[vestal path]

lmao, thanks for the advice. i've tried trucks before, but don't remember using them much. each truck station can be loaded with any material, right? the problem would be sorting them if they are combined since I don't have smart splitters

[vast jungle]

yes... mixed belts are in theory possible... but they can be (even with smart splitters) a huge headache (as you will notice when you use them).

[vestal path]

then I'll stick with factories on each region for now, and sending the final products and the excess materials to the central base

thanks Henning <3

[vast jungle]

as long as you don't mix the fuel for your powerplant into the mixed belt experiments are really fun...

[sterile tangle]

You know i really wanna trust the production planners like everyone says but what the hell even is this.

[noble timber]

I love a bit of sushi

[urban kite]

a diluted packaged fuel chain?

[sterile tangle]

It's my ficsonium fuel rod production 😭

[urban kite]

eh

[urban kite]

yikes

[sterile tangle]

lategame sometimes makes me wanna have a 💀 wish honestly... but it's fun :)

[noble timber]

This is why I prefer Excel to production planners

my brain cannot comprehend that image

[sterile tangle]

mine kinda can, i instead can't comprehend the ideas SatisfactoryTools is suggesting.

[wanton belfry]

ok... planner is telling me with 300 m3 fuel coming in I need 200 compact coal and 13.4 refineries to create 250 m3 Turbofuel.... but chatgpt is telling me I'll only actually be using 80.4 m3 Fuel. Suggest 50 refineries to use all the 300 fuel (obviously more coal would be needed).. but why is the calculator not recommending more coal/refineries? changing to 300 turbofuel says I need 360 fuel. what am I missing here? chatgpt wrong?

[eager solar]

Such as?

[wind spade]

chatgpt is a word generator, it's not a truth source. Never use it for SF planning

[urban kite]

i think its important to remember the planner doesnt optimize for simplicity, or clean numbers, or space. Just weighted points (iirc). Optimizing on more than one variable is much harder than just picking one 😦

yeah chatgpt is very prone to lying esp when you have more specific questions like satisfactory production chains

it does not know how to do math it just guesses

[wanton belfry]

figured that, just wanted a sanity check

[wind spade]

sanity check is always "open in Satisfactory Tools or some other planner and see the numbers"

[wanton belfry]

turbo is 6f and 4coal per min.. the math isn't wrong suggesting 50 refineries needed. is the tool factoring belts and pipes?

[wind spade]

belts and pipes are irrelevant for number of machines

[wind spade]

no, turbofuel is 22.5 fuel and 15 compacted coal per minute

the 6 and 4 is per cycle

[wanton belfry]

ugh.. I wasn't looking at the per min

nothing more to see here folks. lol

[urban kite]

fused modular frames ""automated"" lol

[edgy leaf]

same, i still have the same setup for HMFs too ...

if it works it works, right?

[urban kite]

i finally actually autoamted 1.678 hmf's/min the other day

[edgy leaf]

awesome

i plan to make my plastic and rubber megafactory first

[carmine thicket]

Looks like my space part facfory

[wanton belfry]

how much fuel does a generator process per min? 12?

[urban kite]

depends on the fuel. I think regular fuel is 20

[wanton belfry]

turbo?

[urban kite]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Fuel-Powered_Generator

[wanton belfry]

oh.. I thought all fuel burned the same, just generated different power levels

ok.. so turbo actually burns 7.5

[urban kite]

nope, power is constant

[edgy leaf]

chat, which do u think is better, normal or classic battery? is it a mistake to turn all my bauxite into aluminum?

[wanton belfry]

ok, thanks

[ashen girder]

You don't need batteries at all except for one alt recipe. You can just skip it entirely.

[edgy leaf]

excellent

[urban kite]

batteries in shambles now that drones got themsevles some combustion engines

[edgy leaf]

yea..

[wanton belfry]

ok.. so 250 m3/min of turbo, 34 generators

[ashen girder]

I will say, it surprised me how resource and power efficient Super-state Supcoms are.

[fringe crow]

Whats the MK1 miner layout for Coal at lake north of Grassy Fields? Like, how many power plants do need and how many pumps etc?

[outer vale]

each coal generator requires 15 coal and 45 water per minute

[fringe crow]

Thank you. Was trying to remember the numbers.

[outer vale]

for next time, you could look these numbers up on the wiki or similar

[outer vale]

also in-game for most things, but IIRC power generators don't include the full info

[ancient hinge]

nwm... solved

[vapid gorge]

wiki is your friend

[ashen girder]

Pretty sure they all have the dropdown now don't they?

[ancient hinge]

accidentaly connected like this

[ashen girder]

That shows the /min consumption.

[edgy leaf]

opinions?

i want to turn all the oil into aluminum and fuel, am i missing something or can i do this without worries?

[urban kite]

one pure node of limestone makes 400 conc / min, yes? if my math is right (on default recipes)

why am i asking i can just open tools

[fringe crow]

Yeahh was also hoping for a visual as well tbh lol

[vapid gorge]

I mean it could look like anything. lines of machiens, double lines, squares, circles

[edgy leaf]

im at the point where i want to decide whati ll actually end up doing and im not sure how to define my goal, can yall help me?

[vast jungle]

wasn't there an Aluminium Alt combination that run without coal/coke?

[edgy leaf]

originally my idea was to make a stack of everything per minute but i dont think thats viable

[past harness]

Does anyone have any information on when the mods will arrive?

[vapid gorge]

end tiers stuff is quite difficult yes

[edgy leaf]

you either need coal or coke, i decided to use coke to turn 100% of the bauxite into aluminum and the rest of the oil to fuel with diluted. the coal is reserved for diamonds and steel

[brisk shore]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @vapid gorge

[vast jungle]

okay, bad memory... has been a while

[edgy leaf]

yea.. maybe a stack per minute of all the building materials

i dont want to automate elevator parts at all

[vapid gorge]

I'm planning on doing a big 1800 HMF factory 🙂

[edgy leaf]

ooh, going all in on a single thing also sounds alluring 🤔

[vapid gorge]

everything brought to one location

gonna mod back in steel coated plates cause that was a fun recipe

[edgy leaf]

sounds fun, maybe if i start a second playthrough. i want some more variety this time yk

[edgy leaf]

they removed that???

[vapid gorge]

yup! replaced it with steel cast

[edgy leaf]

nooo, the wiki isnt up to date on the list of building materials 😩

[vapid gorge]

really? oh you mean like t9 stuff?

[edgy leaf]

yea

[noble timber]

It is, you're on the wrong wiki

There's 2

[ashen girder]

Nope. 🤣 Tragedy.

[edgy leaf]

which wiki is the right one?

im on wikigg...

[noble timber]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Satisfactory

[edgy leaf]

yea thats the wiki im on :)

[vast jungle]

wiki.gg is the "right" one

[noble timber]

Oh. I wonder why coated is still on it then

[edgy leaf]

im talking about building materials list

last updated 2022

[ashen girder]

🤔 https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:Building_materials

[edgy leaf]

yes, thats the exact page im on...

its not up to date.

[past reef]

like stator not being used for buildables anymore?

[wind spade]

33 is the magic number

[edgy leaf]

where did u get that from?

[ashen girder]

👆

[edgy leaf]

what

[wind spade]

Updated storage list:

Plate, RIP, Beam, EIB
Pipe, Rod
CSheet, ASheet, Plastic, Rubber
Frame, HMF, FMF
Wire, QW, Cable
Crystal, Osc
HSC, AIL
Rotor, Motor, Turbo
Comp, RCU, Super
Casing, Cooling
Concrete, Silica
Fluctuator, Trigon, Time Crystal

33 in total

[edgy leaf]

why does it look different when i click on it???

[vast jungle]

widescreen monitor?

[edgy leaf]

thanks !

[ashen girder]

Try refreshing?

[edgy leaf]

look, the ficisit trigon is missing.

yes i have a widescreen monitor but that shouldnt change whats in the list... refreshing also didnt make anything new appear

[vast jungle]

hmm

[ashen girder]

Something's cached somewhere.

[edgy leaf]

AHA, clicking on purge cache fixed it

[ashen girder]

And yeah, that page is automatically generated.

Hence why it hasn't been updated in 2 years.

[edgy leaf]

interesting!

[potent isle]

is this a glitch ?

not able to reverse the conveyor lifs (setting up a plastic and rubber factory)

[edgy leaf]

its probably because the conveyer lift is already connected to an input

[wintry marlin]

is that even possible?

[edgy leaf]

i meant all building materials, the magic list from greeny (the u8 version)

[wintry marlin]

ah, i see...

[edgy leaf]

im not sure whats wrong here

[burnt pecan]

how many HMF should i be aiming for /min? its my first HMF factory on 1.0 and i just dont really know. right now im thinking 5/min (bc even that takes a TON of resources) but i thought getting someone elses input would help

[edgy leaf]

5 sounds good

[past reef]

for build mat 5 is okay yeah

[ashen girder]

5 is good. My HMF factory only does 10.

[burnt pecan]

HMFs are so expensive though 😭 even with alts

[ashen girder]

They're the first big expensive thing, yeah.

[wintry marlin]

i think heinous said sth about the total amount of hmf needed to finish the game, and it was a non stupidlz high number, so 5 is prob fine

[past reef]

I'm setting up 24GW turbofuel with blueprints but building all the blenders barely take 5 per minute

[burnt pecan]

arl cool

[potent isle]

the plastic is supposed to get ouputed from there, then goes to the hole but as i shared in the earlier screenshot the bottom is also an input for some weird reason

oh my bad got it

[wintry marlin]

probably depends what u count computers as

[ashen girder]

I put computers in between HMFs and Motors personally.

[ashen girder]

And yeah, something like 3250 HMFs will cover you for every space elevator part you need to make, ever.

[wintry marlin]

i just checked, if u wanna make 5 hmf per min, u need 1750 iron in if u only want to make it from iron

[ashen girder]

That's why iron pipes sucks.

[wintry marlin]

oh wait, and limestone... calculator hid the limestone miner

[wintry marlin]

but i love eliminating ressources

[ashen girder]

I love eliminating entire pure nodes of resources.

[wintry marlin]

my modular engine only needs iron and rubber, its amazing

[urban kite]

ill neve run out of concrete again (i hope)

[ashen girder]

😂 You should see my concrete setup.

[urban kite]

surely 3 depots is enough 😭

[ashen girder]

It's 4 constructors in random corners of the map hooked up to boxes and uploaders.

I've yet to run out of concrete while building.

[wintry marlin]

i mean, even with steel pipes, u still need 1.2k iron + 450 coal

[stiff walrus]

Any experts on load balancing around here? I want to splitt my 6240 iron ingots from my 96 refineries into 26x240 or 13x480 belts. I created this splitter/merger scheme. Did I do an upsi?

[wintry marlin]

(not considering alts)

[ashen girder]

(which you already are, though)

[wintry marlin]

i meant additional alts, i just opened calc and plopped in the iron pipes and encased pipe things

[ashen girder]

Okay, so replace Iron Pipes with Solid Steel.

Hell, or replace Iron Pipes with HEF.

[wintry marlin]

needs more iron and 150 less coal

[ashen girder]

1000 iron, 250 coal, 375 limestone for solid steel and 500 iron, 240 coal, and 360 limestone for HEF.

[wintry marlin]

HEF?

[ashen girder]

More iron?

[ashen girder]

Heavy Encased Frame

[wintry marlin]

ye it was weird

[ashen girder]

Check which alts it's using.

[wintry marlin]

wait no

im stupid, i only looked at 1 iron output from the miners

[tame harbor]

BEHOLD the most amount of rocket fuel you can make without SAM

Worth 1,705 GW of power generation

[ashen girder]

Pretty sure that's not the most.

[urban kite]

limited by sulfur 😦

[past reef]

turbo blend fuel?

[wintry marlin]

yeah, HEF seems to be a gamechanger. it went from 5 to 2.6 miners

[tame harbor]

Maybe, but much more and you're running out of Nitrogen, and Turbo Blend will cut into the remaining crude

[ashen girder]

160 coal to cut your iron ore usage in half.

[tame harbor]

Oof, Turbo Blend jumps the Oil requirements up to 93% of maximum

[past reef]

but you're limited by sulfur so (short term) way to optimize it is to use the one with less sulfur per turbo

[dusky zenith]

can do slightly more

[twilit siren]

this is a good recipe?

[dusky zenith]

(not as oil efficient, but technically more)

[ashen girder]

That sulfur byproduct means you can do more more.

[dusky zenith]

oil + nitrogen limited

[tame harbor]

Ran out of Nitrogen

[ashen girder]

Ahhhh.

[tame harbor]

100% utilization

Hope you dont need fused frames!

[wind spade]

every recipe is good

[potent isle]

what do i do with residue if i dont have fluid buffers yet?

[ashen girder]

Turn it into fuel and burn it.

[dusky zenith]

Just do this, 1 TW of power and only using 50% of some resources

[potent isle]

if i kickstart them just to get some plastic and manually keep taking out the residual is that possible?

[past reef]

better to make coke and sink

[wind spade]

fluid buffers are not solution for residue anyway

[past reef]

you can but you'd have to keep a long pipeline outside of the refinery and then flush the pipe

[wind spade]

just process the residue to anything

[tame harbor]

Either turn it into Coke and sink it, or turn it into fuel and burn it

Can also burn the coke in a coal gen

But if you do use the HOR into either flavor of fuel, you'll want to setup a storage container for the plastic and rubber and use a smart splitter to sink any overflow rubber+plastic so the generators won't stop

[wintry marlin]

burning is very funny if u dont underclock the generator, i had less straight power generated lines, than some peoples power consumption line.

#math-and-meta message

[ashen girder]

Ain't that some shit. Coke is ever so slightly more energy efficient in that recipe.

HOR -> Coke produces 540MJ per HOR. HOR -> Fuel produces 500MJ per HOR.

Careful you don't waste that gain on water pumps tho. 🤣

[dusky zenith]

3.59TW if sinking plutonium, 4.15TW if burning plutonium. 1.74TW if sinking plutonium but without using SAM+converters
ultimate power plant (using ALL the resources)

hangon the waste got screwed up by the SAM. Real numbers are 3.57TW and 4.13TW, using all the waste

[wintry marlin]

what do u do with the coke then

to get the energy? am i being stupid rn?

[ashen girder]

Coal generator.

[wintry marlin]

oh shit

i see

[short hollow]

how many Refineries and Fuel Generators do i need to maximze the effectiveness of a single crude oil PURE extractor with 3 power shards?
(i got the fuel alt recipe, and i can put shards into everything)

[ashen girder]

Runs at a delightfully round 7.142857 coke/min.

[wind spade]

depends on recipes and whole setup. Game gives you the numbers, do the math 🙂

[wintry marlin]

beatiful

[ashen girder]

Oh, wait, that's compacted coal.

[past reef]

if you want nice number/layout can only use 540/585 crude oil per min

[ashen girder]

Coke is 25/min.

[wintry marlin]

mhm, borin, doesnt create jagged power lines

[ashen girder]

Depends how much HOR you're handling, really.

[wintry marlin]

actually, just gotta clock it wrong and everything creates jagged lines

[polar wave]

I need to farm a bazillion tickets so I can get my nut and the other statues. Right now I’m continuing to make phase 5 parts and sink them. Are there better options for tickets/time? Willing to retool/expand just to farm tickets.

[past reef]

with diluted packaged fuel you can do 90 crude oil into 240 fuel for 12 fuel gens using 7 refineries (and the bunch of packager/water extractor)

[short hollow]

i mean i wanna make it a very simple layout just to make the fuel and power from it
litteraly this simple >_>

i got the alt recipe for fuel

[past reef]

you can do 8 refineries and underclock all HOR refineries to 75% per 100% diluted packaged fuel

like what I have here for 540 oil

[umbral topaz]

where can i find a layout/ tutorial for how a cyclotron works?

[wintry marlin]

afaik the strat for highest possible points using all ressources is warpdrives+fill with leftovers, so u prob want warpdrives

!wikisearch cyclotron

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cyclotron

[edgy leaf]

didnt they stop working in u8?

[polar wave]

That’s what I thought. Boo. Time to retool ballistic drive factory to be not crap

[wind spade]

it doesn't

[short hollow]

why packaged?

and i dont have diluted

[wind spade]

diluted packaged fuel and diluted fuel are both equal in conversion of HOR to fuel

[umbral topaz]

ok ty

[wind spade]

just one is available earlier than the other

[past reef]

the blender one is the same efficiency you just don't package (saving like 5W power?)

didn't bother to tear it down and swap to blender

[ashen girder]

5MJ per fuel, yeah.

[dusky zenith]

iirc blender uses a bit more power than refinery + 2 packagers

[short hollow]

but i only got the recipe that turns crude oil into fuel... with polymer resin byproduct

[dusky zenith]

could be wrong though

[ashen girder]

It also produces a bit more fuel.

[urban kite]

yeas the blender is more space and power efficient

[wind spade]

but the blender recipe makes more per minute

[dusky zenith]

ahhh

[urban kite]

it still uses slightly less power if you balance it out

[ashen girder]

DPF is 50MJ/fuel, DF is 45MJ/fuel.

[edgy leaf]

then the math is quite simple, u can do it urself

[urban kite]

its not very much less but it is less

[past reef]

the basic oil->fuel is simpler 60 oil into 2 fuel gen with 1 machine

[short hollow]

any tip? because i dont even know what to read to do that

[wintry marlin]

i have a setup with 4 refineries, into 8 refinieries for turbofuel i think

[wintry marlin]

just take the output of ur oil extractor, and divide by intake of refineries. thats the amount of refineries

[edgy leaf]

divide that by 2.5 if u overclock it

[wintry marlin]

and then take output of 1 refinery, multiply by amount of refineries, and divide by intake of 1 fuel gen, thats the amount of fuel gens u need

[wintry marlin]

i assumed already overclocked intake/output but yeah

[short hollow]

ye it'll be pure with full overclock

but alright thanks

[wintry marlin]

btw @rustic patio did u see the slightly outdated screenshot of my power lines? u will cry

[edgy leaf]

lol u pinged my old account. i missed it, can u send it again?

[wintry marlin]

#math-and-meta message xd

[wintry marlin]

ah, autofill xd

[edgy leaf]

ouch....

[wintry marlin]

still looking for a way to make blue line crooked

[edgy leaf]

nO

please dont

i think lategame machines that have variable consumpiton also have variable max consumption? im not sure.

[wintry marlin]

fuel gens to use leftover HOR, and not underclocked

[wintry marlin]

ooooh, i gotta hurry up to get there

[edgy leaf]

ive definitely seen crooked max consumption before so it is possible

im currently building a line of platforms around the entire world border, it got a lot smaller :(

[ashen girder]

It's dependent on recipe, yeah.

[edgy leaf]

no like, i saw the max consumption chang over time i think

[wintry marlin]

my concrete uploader couldnt xd

[edgy leaf]

i have my depots fully maxxed 💪

[wintry marlin]

oooh nice

[edgy leaf]

i also collected like 1500 powershards worth of slugs or something

[wintry marlin]

i spent to much time playing another game, dont get time for satisfactory

[past reef]

doing max depot too which means I have to save 250 purple slug

[wintry marlin]

god bless doubling powershard

[ashen girder]

That's very nearly all of them IIRC.

[edgy leaf]

oh i mean like, fully upgraded, not fully filled up

theres 257 purple slugs on the map

doggos can collect them tho iirc

[ashen girder]

"Here's my 5 xenobashers. Here's my 5 jetpacks. Here's my 5 hoverpacks."

[ashen girder]

Yeah, it's possible. Just rough.

[edgy leaf]

did they nerf doggo slug collection rates for 1.0?

[ashen girder]

I think they just expanded the variety of stuff they can bring.

[wintry marlin]

honestly, this is minecraft level of farming materials

[ashen girder]

(Implicitly nerfing collection rate.)

[wintry marlin]

unfortunately cant automate lizard doggo collection

i would leave every other farm, and only do a massive lizard doggo farm

[edgy leaf]

yea thats why u cant do that, they know we are insane