math-and-meta

[strong quest]

That would be great!

[amber jacinth]

For trigons?

[strong quest]

Yea

[amber jacinth]

It uses the alum conversion-- the trick with this lies in doubling the map's SAM using slooped RSAM constructors. 34x 250% ones can get you 5100 RSAM/min.

Here's that calc: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=qdvEupReDAVGw3dxmhBg
...as well as a less intensive nuclear setup that is a bit more feasible overall: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=i9eXwC4KIqIxfNGvJG7x

[strong quest]

hmm I'm very curious how your setup uses 110 uranium - mine only says 36.6666 which is a big discrepancy

[amber jacinth]

Alts?

[strong quest]

Yea, looking over your setup to see which ones are different

Different Plutonium Fuel Rod recipe

[limpid mesa]

Ok i need to split 5 into 2,2, and 1 using spliters and mergers
Is that posaible if so how

[amber jacinth]

1:5 and merge two at the end

[limpid mesa]

TF IS THAT

[amber jacinth]

A 1:5 splitter

[limpid mesa]

Ok wait

I get it i think

[amber jacinth]

Manifolds are also an option, depending on what you need it for

But if you're pushing only 5, manifolds would not be great

[limpid mesa]

Ok thank u

[lime yew]

Soon too be 1500 MW of ultimate powaaaaaa

[unborn silo]

so uh, question for the math heads: do y'all know if splitters/mergers and belt conveyors are like... working? i have 8 T1 belt coveyors feeding manifold into a single T4 belt, and the second to last belt is getting clogged, which strikes me as mathematically impossible

[strong quest]

Is the T4 belt not actually pulling 480? Like whatever is down the line isn't using it fast enough?

[unborn silo]

the final belt is consistently operating at what seems to be full speed - it is not stopping

[strong quest]

What about the machines it connects to?

[unborn silo]

also generally running (though the same problem exists in all of such manifolds i have built)

[strong quest]

The only way that wouldn't work is if the machines down the line are not working 100% efficiently. You can check two ways: either the stat in the machine's config page, or by looking for yellow lights flashing from green/yellow

[unborn silo]

(it's really ironic that i've built a fuel power plant and it's not the pipes that are the issues)

[unborn silo]

again, the final belt is consistently running at regular speed, and is T4. it is not stopping. it is the second to last and earlier belts that are stuttering

[strong quest]

60 * 8 is 480 (T4) like you're thinking, so the only issue can only be on the 480 end

[unborn silo]

each merger is only being fed by a single T1 belt conveyor (and the previous merged line). I have eight mergers, which means eight T1 belts being input

[strong quest]

It may look like it's moving everything, but maybe it's only moving 470

[unborn silo]

hm, possible

[strong quest]

Check the stats on the machine config, look for yellow lights, and verify your expected inputs on all connected machines add up to the expected 480

[unborn silo]

i might just have not fed enough empty canisters into the system for consistent packaging throughput

thank you for the advice! i've never gone much past oil processing lol

[strong quest]

np at all 😃

[rocky grotto]

Hey I've been playing for a while but I still cant figure out the best way to calculate the max I can extract from an ore for example If I was making a basic iron component factory I don't know what I can get from 240 iron any tips?

[calm mauve]

use one of the calc web pages

[cloud comet]

Is there an easy way to get rid of refinery biproducts?

I'm making 150 heavy oil residue per minute and I don't really need the petroleum coke that I can make with them

[rocky grotto]

Fuel? if not just flush it or make a massive storage for the coke

[hybrid star]

quick query, early mid game I have 2 turbo fuel recipes, the basic one using compacted coal and fuel, and the other one using heavy oil residue. Bang for your buck as regards energy produced which is better. I know I could do math but if someone could save me some late night brain cells that would be great

[polar wave]

You got an AWESOME sink for solids, and for liquids can either convert them to fuel and burn it in gens, use alt recipes to get use it, or put it in containers and sink it

[cloud comet]

Oh, I didn't consider making it into fuel but then again, I have no use for fuel (and 60m3 per minute of my crude oil is already being spent on fuel despite not having an use for it)

How can I flush it though? I know I can flush pipelines but isn't that a 1 time thing?

[unborn silo]

you can turn it into petroleum coke and Awesome Sink it

[rocky grotto]

^^^^ forgot about the sink

[cloud comet]

Oh, that makes sense

[unborn silo]

you could also turn it into fuel and use an alt recipie for recycled plastic/rubber to maximize your outputs

[hybrid star]

later on especially around alu if they haven't changed the recipes a lot you end up making wet concrete to get rid of the excess water, or something

[lusty tinsel]

When using a manifold approach, do you continue to manifold past the smelters?

[unborn silo]

the general plan for efficient oil-related production is to turn crude into heavy via the targeted alt, spend the polymer residue on plastic/rubber, use diluted fuel to turn the heavy into fuel, then either use the fuel in other power sources (eg turbofuel) or use the recycled plastic/rubber alts to turn the fuel into the resource you actually want

[vapid gorge]

wdym?

[fierce berry]

The dimensional depots make it so much easier to make "Tier 1 Factories" in a Mk 1 blueprint since you don't have to care about where the outputs go

Trying to get all the overflows into one sink nicely is still a pain though, anyone got any tips on that?

[vapid gorge]

don't spaget, give yourself space for it

have a logistics floor if you like

or don't bother with a sink and let it back up

[fierce berry]

I'm sorry I need my straight line power graph

Logistics floors help but it's still quite spaghet in them haha

[lusty tinsel]

I'm trying to setup a full efficient smart plate factory with 120 iron ore in. I have a manifold setup behind the smelter as this seemed to be a highly recommended approach. After the smelter im trying to figure out how to feed the constructors

[vapid gorge]

that's a you issue, you can very easily not have it spaget with space and planning

[fierce berry]

I just have random conveyor floor holes stuffed everywhere, since there's no good way to have a system where you merge the overflow into the same column of foundations every floor

[vapid gorge]

more manifolds yes

[fierce berry]

You're right, I gotta get good (or get better mk blueprints)

[cloud comet]

Wait, it's not accepting petroleum coke

[unborn silo]

also Regarding oil logistics, the way you want to manifold pipes is so that they only flow in a single direction, right? ie built like a comb, not a trident

[cloud comet]

I got bamboozled

[vapid gorge]

have a logistics core

[unborn silo]

did you plug it in

[vapid gorge]

is it powered?

[cloud comet]

Oh, lol

[fierce berry]

Interesting, I'll implement this for my next factory, thanks

[lusty tinsel]

is it same all the way down the production line?

[vapid gorge]

manifolds work for every system.

so yes, you can manifold everything

[fierce berry]

As far as I remember, as long as you feed from above/same level, have a loop around to avoid the water hammering back, and pre-fill the pipes it should be fine

[lusty tinsel]

damn so it will always look jammed unless i switch to load balancing?

[vapid gorge]

no? once you have a constant flow, with end products being used or sunk it'll flow smoothly

[unborn silo]

explain what you mean by having a loop around

[fierce berry]

*The main line flows smoothly, the branches that go into the individual machines don't

[lusty tinsel]

ohh i see it just takes time cause it has to fill up to reach the production further down

[vapid gorge]

that's probalby the most stable manifold loop you can build

[unborn silo]

is there a reason the bottom end is connected to the input?

[vapid gorge]

because fluids prefer to pool down

you don't have to have the loop pipe on top, on the side works too, but this might provide extra stability. I haven't bothered doing rigorous testing because I can't afford to spend years on it

[vapid gorge]

think of fluid systems like a jenga tower, there are lots of ways to do things that will be more or less stable. The less stable ways can work but you need ot know limits and how to manage them

[fierce berry]

By the way, I heard that Variable Priority Junctions are no longer the water recycling meta, did someone find a better way?

[lusty tinsel]

so in this setup im manifolding anything with a shared input. in my picture the S will me the manifold where i split down, the M is just the merger output

am i over thinking this or is it really as simple as line up all relavent buildings and manifold them

[ashen girder]

Really is that simple for the most part.

Only gets more complicated when you're surpassing the belt capacity.

So trying to shove 500 screws/min down a 270/min belt.

I build a row of buildings, build a row of splitters on one side, and build a row of mergers on the other side, then connect them in a big ole line.

[lusty tinsel]

so i literally just line up all smelters manifold into constructors manifold into assemblers (sharing various inputs, rods, screws, ets) and call it a day?

[ashen girder]

Make sure every belt only ever has one product on it, and your throughputs aren't above your belt capacity, and yep.

[lusty tinsel]

ok easy enough

[ashen girder]

It can get complicated sorting out how to get parts from three different places across the factory to a fourth place, and then route that output to some other place.

That's why spaghetti is so common. 😂

You can just.... not care.

[serene moon]

is there any tool i can use to calculate a plastic and rubber loop?

[ashen girder]

SFTools can do it.

[outer vale]

just make sure you tell it about the alts

[lusty tinsel]

thanks

[ashen girder]

Yup! Have fun!

[cloud comet]

Is there anything I can do with geysers?

[ashen girder]

Geothermal generators go on those.

Caterium tree IIRC.

[serene gull]

Trying to figure out path and block signals to move stuff to my main base and now my head hurts

[ashen girder]

If you install all 31 of them, they'll net you an average 7.1GW of power.

[lusty tinsel]

one more thing, do you run it all at a hundred? or underclock the fractional amount

[ashen girder]

Depends on what you want. I run it all at 100 because IDGAF. If you care, you can run the last at the partial. If you're trying to optimize, you want to divide it equally among all machines. So instead of 100% and 50%, run both at 75%.

[vapid gorge]

are you doing 2 way rail?

[ashen girder]

The more machines you use to produce the same amount, the less power used per produced item. And the math is better if you balance them all to run at the same speed than have super different clock speeds.

[serene gull]

I want to make my diffrent stations drop off the goods at one location

[vapid gorge]

that doesn't mean you can't have 2 way rail

[serene gull]

I don't know what does are, brain to hurt now

[vapid gorge]

literally just 2 lanes. 1 for 1 direction, the 2nd for the other direction. Like a road

[serene gull]

Then train hit other train

[lusty tinsel]

oh i see, so for example if i output 47.742 rods i just divide that by 4 (since rods only output at 15 without OC) and set each constructor to 11.93

[vapid gorge]

HOW

have you ever seen a road?

[serene gull]

3 trains go into 1 station

[vapid gorge]

don't have 1 station

that's a bad idea

[ashen girder]

Bonus: you can copy and paste the settings to you don't have to set each one separately that way.

[serene gull]

To tired now figure out int morning

[vapid gorge]

the boxes are stations

[lusty tinsel]

I wanna just double check something, so if im outputting iron ingots to make rods/plates and i got 46.52 / 73.548 iron ingots outputting respectively, do i need to manifold the iron ingots separately to two different constructor groups (one making rods the other making plates)?

[serene gull]

Thank you sir :]

[cloud comet]

Depends on how much you want of each one

[lusty tinsel]

this is the build, im trying to understand how to manifold it efficiently

[cloud comet]

Might be better to have 1 input that is manifolded through both constructors groups

[lusty tinsel]

well thats the problem though

[cloud comet]

And you'd have to underclock the constructors or the ones after to match the amounts you need

[lusty tinsel]

there i sno way to get the accurate distribution for plates and rods if i do that

even if i use over or underclock

[cloud comet]

How is it not possible by underclocking?

[ashen girder]

As long as the totals add up, and you're within the belt capacity, it'll eventually even itself out.

So yeah, I would have the same belt feeding both plates and rods.

[lusty tinsel]

does this work cause the succeeding production sets the rate regardless?

[ashen girder]

Keep in mind, a machine can only take as much as it uses in net. Any left over is pushed to the next machine.

[cloud comet]

Yes, but you probably want to underclock the rod and plate constructors to save energy

[lusty tinsel]

right, use take the constructor output total and divide amonst that contructor group

[cloud comet]

If you don't underclock you'll have to wait for the whole production line to fill up to even out the rates

It's better to even it out layer by layer

[ashen girder]

So, in this example, you have 120 iron ingots on a belt. You split off to the rods first. If your rods are clocked correctly, they will consume exactly 73.548 rods/minute.

That leaves you with 46.452 iron ingots on the belt for anything else.

If you then feed those to the iron pipes, they'll consume all of it in this setup.

Once everything gets properly saturated, all of the machines will run at 100%.

[lusty tinsel]

ok this makes sense

[ashen girder]

Note This will feel like it isn't working at first. The first machine preferentially takes half the flow until its input is full. Once its input is full, whatever it can't use gets forwarded to the next output of its splitter.

Once all of the machine input stacks are full, if and only if the numbers are balanced, it won't stop running.

So if you've accidentally only produced 100 ingots, your final pipe constructor will never run at 100%.

Or if you've accidentally produced 135 (and are on a MK3 or better), eventually the whole line fills up and starts stutter-stepping.

Just remember: splitters try to divide their outputs evenly. If they can't, they send what they can down the first output and split the remainder evenly.

So if you've a splitter taking 60 in, with two machines taking 15 each and a third output heading to another splitter, pre-saturation it will send 20 down each line. Once it's saturated, though, it will only be able to send 15 down two of them, and will send 30 down the 3rd.

[lusty tinsel]

but eventually even at the ore level it evens out right

once the other smelters get active

[ashen girder]

At every level, as long as the numbers are lined up.

If you're producing 120 ore and have smelters consuming 120 ore, it will eventually run at 100%.

If you've got a Mk1 line, though, half your smelters are never going to get anywhere near 100%.

Also, make sure you familiarize yourself with the efficiency percentage. It's super important for this.

It's the little percent right in the middle of the window.

If it says 100%, it means the machine has been running nonstop recently, and has not had any issues draining its outputs, and every time it's finished, it hasn't had to wait for enough inputs to start.

If you feed it exactly 50% of what it needs, it'll say 50%. If its downstreams are only consuming 50% of what it produces, it'll say 50% after that manifold saturates.

This is irrespective of clockspeed.

[lusty tinsel]

does using a higher quality convery needed mess anythign up?

[ashen girder]

Nope.

[lusty tinsel]

i see so this is uptime essentially

[ashen girder]

Yes, exactly.

This guy.

If your machines are producing exactly like you want, and you have a machine that has 50% there, you can safely set its clockspeed to 50% of what it's at currently and save some energy.

That number also takes time to update. It isn't instant.

Since it's calculated from real, historic data.

[toxic dove]

does anyone know the max amount of mercer sphere and somersloop you can get in this game ?

[ashen girder]

106 Sloops, 103 usable after research.

298 Mercer Spheres, 201 usable after research.

[lusty tinsel]

thanks again! now to build the damn thing. I am so anal about this ive been reading more than playing haha

[ashen girder]

Yeah, I get that! Just remember, it's really not hard to diagnose and fix issues.

Between the efficiency display I just mentioned, and the indicator light: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Indicator_Light

And getting a feel for how the belts should be behaving, and how inputs and outputs stack or don't stack, you can quickly narrow down any sort of issues.

Like seeing belts running with an even space between every item is a telltale sign that you have a lower capacity belt throttling it.

If a machines output is filling up, that means its downstream producers aren't consuming enough for whatever reason.

Point being: just build it. You get a full refund on everything so you can always just tear it all down and start over.

Better to move forward than get stuck!

Anyway, bedtime for me. 😂 If you have more questions tag me and I'll answer them in the morning!

[upper arrow]

what are good recipes to find/use for someone who is fresh into p3 (but able to use mk4 belts already)
i know there is no "bad" recipe but as a beginner the amount of stuff there is is overwhelming so nice recipes to look out for always nice

[hollow wave]

most of the time the better question is "which recipes work with what I have to accomplish a specific goal"

[hot junco]

Phase 3 is Tiers 7 and 8 so the main new things are Aluminum and Nuclear Stuff (and Turbo Motors I guess.) So for the most part the best alt recipes imo would be Sloppy Alumina and Pure Aluminum Ingots. For Nuclear stuff its pretty much only Uranium Fuel Units and Infused Uranium Cell if you want to min-max your uranium.

[boreal summit]

P3 is tier 5 and 6

Trains and Oil

[hot junco]

Oh.. fresh into p3 I read it as p3 done reading hard for adhd brain

[boreal summit]

totally valid

reading is about the only thing my brain does well

[hot junco]

Well in that case all the good Oil stuff. Heavy Oil Residue, Recycled Rubber/Plastic and Diluted Packaged Fuel

Idk if you can unlock the Heavy Encased Frames as well

[boreal summit]

Also since you're ramping up steel production in this phase you might look at the steel alternates as well

[hot junco]

True, Steel Rotors if you havent gotten those. Steel Screws (if you dont delete screws from your factories entirely)

[boreal summit]

Like my steel factory, to get the most out of it with the resources nearby (and the level of miners you have access to at P3), I opted to use the Heavy Steel recipe. Takes a lot more machines and more power, but you get more steel per each iron and coal you mine

[glossy schooner]

Wait steel rotors good???

Bruh i rolled over it

[boreal summit]

It can be, in some situations

every recipe has its place, some just have a much more niche use than others

[hot junco]

Good is subjective but it makes it so Rotors and Stators use the same things makes Motors super easy early on

[torn quarry]

tf does this number mean?

oh

[glossy schooner]

Also im looking at the heavy encased frame and this recipe just seems leaps and bounds ahead of the base recipe, if you have enough concrete

[boreal summit]

it's uptime basically, how much of a given time period the machine is active and working

[torn quarry]

like, out of its entire life?

[hot junco]

I think its like a 5 minute cycle or something?

[boreal summit]

no, just like the past few minutes or something, idk exactly

[inner portal]

its over a couple of mins like 10/20

[hot junco]

Your machines do practically nothing if its missing input, it has no power or the output is full

[boreal summit]

If you're not getting the expected output from a set of machines, it's useful to check the efficiency % to see which one(s) is the problem

When you have a chain of different machines with different recipes and you're using exactly the amount of resources/parts needed - even little hiccups in efficiency can turn out to be a big problem.

[hot junco]

It actually uses less Iron, Coal and Concrete than the default recipe

[glossy schooner]

Less concrete? I guess the fewer eibs make the difference...

[hot junco]

Default is 5 beams for 1 Frame
Encases is 10 beams for 3 Frames

[glossy schooner]

It genuinely just seems better in all ways, unless production time matters to you

[hot junco]

It technically is ahead even in that regard

[glossy schooner]

Yeah

[random creek]

The main upside to it is less resources(disgusting screws) and simplified production chain

I dint even automate it till I get it

[hot junco]

I cant decide whether to cook up 1200 Batteries/min for all my drones or just make Rocket Fuel and use that

[glossy schooner]

Fuel variants sound fun

[crystal charm]

is there an option to get satisfactory tools to not look to use the convertor?

[hot junco]

Go into the base recipes and disable them there

[glossy schooner]

Can't wait to get to t7 and hunt hard drives

Turbo blend fuel and diluted fuel look nice

[torn quarry]

what is the input hole for the sloop melter for?

[hot junco]

You mean the power augmentor?

[crystal charm]

i don't see an option for conversion recipes, unless i'm missing something

[hot junco]

Its annoying to find. Type in the resource name and you'll find it

[crystal charm]

oh so i have to find stuff like caterium ore, and remove the ones that are made by the convertor

[hot junco]

Pretty much

[crystal charm]

gah, should just have an option to disable the building

[hot junco]

They might add that

[crimson fox]

alr ive been struggling to figure out this belt setup so if anyone has any ideas plz lmk
so ive got 4 270 belts (1080 total) and i need it split to 360 and 720
my highest belt speed atm it mk4

[crystal charm]

isn't mk4 only like 480?

[glossy schooner]

Yeah

[crimson fox]

yeah

[hot junco]

Honestly not that bad to split gimme a sec

[crystal charm]

it'll be a litle messy, but yeah not overly hard

[crimson fox]

i ve been tryna make it look half decent

[hot junco]

If you send 480 resources into a splitter and connect mk2 belts to all outputs and combine those together you get 360 on one

You can basically repeat that since 2x 360 is 720

[glossy schooner]

Or merge the other line, no?

[hot junco]

Cant merge them without mk5

[glossy schooner]

I assume this is manifold injection on the 720 line

Merge two 270s and bottleneck with the 3 120s

[crimson fox]

yhis the the setup with 4x 270 outputs

[hot junco]

What am I looking at

[crimson fox]

crap ton of smelters lol

[hot junco]

There is smelters in there?

[glossy schooner]

Probably in the layer below i imagine

[crimson fox]

yeah 36 to be exact

[hot junco]

uhm.. yeah

whats all that for?

[glossy schooner]

Css add smelter mk2 and my life is yours

[crimson fox]

i like keeping things comapct lol

[hot junco]

I wouldnt call that compact xD I'm sure we can cook up something easier

[crimson fox]

i could maybe find a dif way to set it up differently but the numbers ujst work nicely since I have 1080 iron ore input and it splits nicely into 270s

this is what im basing the numbers off of

[indigo lily]

what u guys think

[hot junco]

Regardless this is prolly the easiest way to split something into 360

You feed anything >360 through the glowy line and get 360/min on the merger

[crimson fox]

isnt splitting that line 3 ways back into a merger the same as just running the belt without any splitters/mergers

[hot junco]

No cause you use mk2 belts

3x 120/min = 360/min. They cant pull more than 360 combined from the glowy line

[crimson fox]

ohhh

i see

[hot junco]

So you split off 360 and whatever is left on the glowy belt can be merged with fresh stuff and you can repeat the same again

[glossy schooner]

It's like a valve for your belts

[crimson fox]

so then id have 180 going through that glowy line i assume?

[hot junco]

If you use mk4 you have 120 left

[glossy schooner]

Why does the encased heavy frame have horrendous ratios

[hot junco]

Alternatively you can also just.. use your mk4 belt

and split off a mk2 belt

As long asthe mk2 belt never fills up you will have 360 on your mk4 belt

[crimson fox]

yeah
alr thx for the help

i didnt know abt that belt setup so now i should be able to set it up nicely

[hot junco]

Overclocking to 3/min makes it nice again or underclocking to 1.5/min

[glossy schooner]

Does it also make the input ratios good

[hot junco]

https://imgur.com/9YWuRqj

[glossy schooner]

Honestly i will pay however much extra power for reasonable ratios

Oh that's quite nice

[hot junco]

Can also underclock if you dont mind building more manufacturers of corse

[amber jacinth]

For 6% overclock? The power is basically negligible for that nice ratio lol

[glossy schooner]

But my power shard waaaa

[amber jacinth]

womp womp

[hot junco]

Not like powershards are a problem anymore thankfully

[amber jacinth]

Use power shards liberally 😛 you can get them easily

[glossy schooner]

Ik

Slooping slugs gives a ton

[amber jacinth]

I've been using them just so I don't have to figure out a bigger footprint for my factory

[hot junco]

https://i.imgur.com/xo2XEnC.png

Power is crying though

[amber jacinth]

Fair

[glossy schooner]

Expand the plant

Dewit

[hot junco]

Working on it. Just need to decide if I wanna cook up like 600 Batteries/min or make Rocket Fuel for drones

[rotund ingot]

is it a bad idea to turn all of the oil nodes on the west coast into plastic and rubber?

[hot junco]

Thats what I did

[round zinc]

Phantom, assuming you've got a power setup elsewhere, sure, why not?

[rotund ingot]

I was planning on doing the recycled rubber/plastic. it ideal for that to be 1-1? or should I be making more of one than the other?

[hot junco]

Depends on what you wanna do in the game. I'm turning the 2.7k Oil in that area into 2.7k Plastic and 2.7k Rubber (and 180 Diamonds) so that I dont have to worry about either of those until way later

[rotund ingot]

mmm, forgot about diamonds, I like that idea, Ill save some space for that

[hot junco]

It's quite a chunky setup xD so give yourself enough space

[torn quarry]

what do you put in the sloop zapper's hole?

[hot junco]

Alien Power Matrix'

[torn quarry]

ok

[ancient oriole]

Can you even make Diamonds before T9 ?

[hot junco]

Technically as soon as you unlock the particle accelerator but not sure on that one

Actually nevermind its a t9 milestone

[ivory wedge]

Hey guys are there any vets on here that can really help me get started wtih fuel and trains. really like making it clean?

[hot junco]

Clean as in design or clean in general layout?

[white bloom]

@hot junco It should before T9 from the alt recipe Turbo Diamonds. You become eligible for getting that from hard drives by unlocking the MAM Sulfur Research node "Turbofuel", or T9 Matter Conversion, whichever happens sooner. At least according to the wiki. You do need the Particle Accelerator to actually run that recipe though, which is unlocked by T8 - Particle Enrichment, so it looks like that's the soonest you can use it.

[hot junco]

Yeah should be at the end of t8 when you unlocked that

[crystal charm]

i began mapping out the requirements for 10 radio control units p/m

and god damn, that's a lot of raw material input

[lime siren]

Is replacing fuel with the heavy oil residue into turbofuel desired in the whole heavy oil residue, then turn the polymer resin into plastic and rubber pipeline? It skips the recycled plastic and rubber step, which makes me afraid this would be less efficient...

[hot junco]

In general Heavy Oil Residue is pretty much the best things you can do with Crude Oil. Its actually the more efficient way of doing recycled Plastic/Rubber through a combination of steps

[lime siren]

Yes I know that. My question is more: in the usual most efficient way to use oil, some of the fuel resulted from dilluted fuel is fed into recycled plastic/rubber to boost the yield.
Math wise, turning the heavy oil residue directly into turbofuel yields more power, but skips that recycled plastic/rubber step.
Is this a huge impact on final yields?

[hot junco]

By turning it directly into turbofuel do you mean Turbo heavy fuel?

[lime siren]

Yes

[hot junco]

Well you always want to use diluted fuel no matter what

Its an easier process but the route through diluted fuel will always yield more

[lime siren]

I see. Was afraid of that. Alright, thanks. I will take an easy route with turbo heaby fuel now, then replace when we have blenders

[hot junco]

Thats usually what people do early on yeah

[upper arrow]

so those 4 recipes basically?
also yeah i noticed i phrased the question weirdly, thanks to kaelie i was able to get the answer i was looking for but hey you already answered me for the next phase unlock 🙏

i got most steel recipes i want already, got lucky early on

[hot junco]

Cause if you do the math:

Turbo Heavy Fuel: 5 Residue -> 4 Turbofuel
Diluted Fuel: 5 Residue -> 10 Diluted Fuel. 10 Diluted Fuel -> ~8.3 Turbofuel

[upper arrow]

thats what i have so far because i wasnt sure what to choose i just decided to research hard drives till i get to starting to produce this

[hot junco]

Pure Caterium is always nice to have later on when you min-max the amount of Caterium you have available

[upper arrow]

the ingot one?

[hot junco]

Yee

[upper arrow]

i mean at one point ill have all anyway since there are more hard drives than recipes but for now im focusing on getting to endgame casually

like thanks to 1-2 youtuber i watch casually as second screen experience i was able to get the recipe to yeet screws as much as possible

[hot junco]

Its nice to have even in a more casuall approach

Gives you 1 Ingot per 2 ore instead of 1 per 3

[upper arrow]

:noted:

there isnt a limit on how many anused hard drives i can have researched right

[white bloom]

not sure I understand your question, but if you try to research a hard drive when you already have all alts up to your current milestrone and MAM progress unlocked, it will tell you in the end and you are returned the hard drive to try again at another time when you've progressed further

[knotty sequoia]

weird not seeing “mercer sphere (WIP)”

[upper arrow]

yeah that sums it up, the menu looks as if there is a limit on how many scanned ones i can keep in store before i can use new ones but i guess the only limit is the recipes i have unlocked so far for discovery ty

will i get a scroll wheel at one point for my alternate recipes?

[junior escarp]

is there a better way to hook up 8 constructors or do I just do conveyor then split then conveyor?

[cloud comet]

You could scale vertically

4 on each floor

But yeah, conveyor then split then conveyor is easier to build and also works just fine

[wind spade]

Removing screws is no longer needed

[edgy leaf]

i just checked how much power you can make in 1.0 and holy its insane. over 256 fuel rods max from 50 and thats not even including the plutonium and other lategame stuff you can do or the APAs

[amber jacinth]

Screws are good… when used in moderation, like anything else. Just have to watch those belt limits.

[edgy leaf]

using cast screws and putting the constructors in line with the machines that need screws >>>

[wind spade]

There's pretty much no recipe that uses more than 1200 screws tho

[amber jacinth]

Fair

[junior escarp]

also what is like the best way to make a 2nd floor to a factory?

just asking

[rotund ingot]

is turbofuel a good use for the northern shore oil?

looks like the 2 sulfur nodes up near there allow for that pretty easily

[amber jacinth]

Vertical zoom foundations as high as you need?

[old crag]

Working on my fuel power stuff right now. Was going to turn it all into turbo fuel but realised i need 3k sulfur to do so, is it possible to gather that much around the map with mk2 miners and 480 belts? Or should i just use normal fuel for power?

math maybe wrong idk

[junior escarp]

no like what combination of 1m and 4m would look the best

[edgy leaf]

what color looks best? what painting looks best? its totally subjective

[hollow wave]

are there any that would be annoying with a manifold

[junior escarp]

ok so this setup should give me like 20 (merging two 15 rods per min to get 30, then splitting into 3 and only merging 2 of them back while leaving one out(will get connected to another conveyor network)

[wind spade]

You shouldn't manifold screws

[wind spade]

Why tho? You can just manifold

[junior escarp]

whut is manifolding?

now the thing is
...
where do i fit 7 constructors and 3 assemblers?

[amber jacinth]

Depends on what machines you're using. I think I tend to do 11-12m total between floors.

[wind spade]

--S--S--S
  |  |  |

[boreal summit]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Manifold

[median void]

Heyo. I have six oil wells with I believe 1020 oil per minute available, I'm using 480 of it on rubber and plastic and currently produce 320 fuel per minute total (using 240 more crude oil). Does it make sense for me to dump the remaining 300 essential crude oil all into fuel power generation?

[median void]

Give yourself more space to work with

[amber jacinth]

The game is never short on space 😛

[wind spade]

* per minute

[median void]

No, I do mean per second. My petrochem setup is currently filling half the map /j

[junior escarp]

what

[median void]

Oh yeah, extra context, I'm at the end of Space Elevator Stage 3 and want to deprecate my coal power plant

[wind spade]

Honestly, up to you

[median void]

Ykw I'll do it, I'm barely using my plastic and rubber supplies as of rn

[hot junco]

The numbers seem a little odd. Mind sharing what you're going for?

[wind spade]

Then why make them 😛

[median void]

Futureproofing

Also, having a yes amount of both is fun
(I'm sinking the surplus)

[wind spade]

That's usually not recommended tbh, but you do you

[lime siren]

Is there any use for oil other than rubber/plastic/fuel? I know fuel can be made into many things

[hot junco]

Diamonds in t9

well one way to make diamonds

[old crag]

1800 oil with alt recipes making 4850 fuel per/min if ive done everything correctly. Was just curious if i could turn it into turbo fuel for more power.

[old crag]

alt: heavy oil res and diluted packaged fuel

[hot junco]

1800 Oil would turn into 4800 Fuel not 4850

[old crag]

oops i guess

[hot junco]

Means you need 3200 Coal and Sulfur

[old crag]

can i get that much sulfer with mk2 miners and 480 belts?

[wind spade]

Yes, map is huge

[hot junco]

5x Pure, 5x Normal, 6x Impure Nodes making 600, 300, 150 respectively so with mk2 miners you can get like 5.4k

[old crag]

kk

[hot junco]

Its gonna be an undertaking getting all of that over to the golden coast

[old crag]

:/

[hot junco]

Majority of the pure sulfur is on the eastern side of the map

[lime siren]

Ok fuel I understand, but how much plastic and rubber is realistically needed? Keeping an endgame steady production kf things in mind

[hot junco]

You could technically use sloops to double your compacted coal after researching that

and then eventually take the sloops out once you have mk3 miners

[old crag]

i dont think i have that many sloops lol

[lime siren]

To add to that, if your power grid can handle it, overclocking to 250% and then slooping yields more product per sloop

But it cuts into power smth fierce

[hot junco]

If you cook up 4000 turbofuel per minute you will have more than enough

Thats 133 GW

[old crag]

im already 250% overclocking my un/packagers and the fuel refineries

[hot junco]

Its hard to put it into numbers depending on what a steady supply might be for you.

[lime siren]

Let's say smth modest. A 10th of a stack of everything I need on hand per minute? Excluding space elevator parts

[boreal summit]

again it depends on how often you use those things - like if you use a ton of coated concrete for builds then you're going to need a lot more plastic/m than someone who doesn't.

[hot junco]

Honestly borderline impossible to give you a number without doing extensive math

[boreal summit]

you'll have to feel out how the supply works for your playstyle

and adjust it accordingly

[lime siren]

Yeah that is fair. I will come up with some numbers, chuck them in the satisfactory tools and see what comes out

[boreal summit]

And don't get caught by the trap of trying to plan for future stuff you haven't unlocked yet. Build what you need right now, and expand later if required.

[hot junco]

10 Computers for example are ~320 Plastic/min (default stuff). Supercomputers need 4 computers each so 5 Supercomputers/min is 20 computers/min which is 640 plastic/min

[boreal summit]

But then if you use an alternate recipe that calculation changes, sometimes drastically

[hot junco]

My starter factory made like 600/600 per minute and that was enough to make like 3-5 of everything per minute up end of t8

[junior escarp]

update on the factory
screws done, just need the rotor assembler

[blazing torrent]

@ancient oriole @ashen girder
I ended up putting together a more "practical" 1TW nuclear plant that doesnt use up 2.37x the amount of SAM in the world and creates no waste
it generates 1.005TW at the use of 2100 Uranium -> max UFR -> max PFR which are then either sunk or spent for waste
in terms of minmaxing this seems ok enough

funny how Satisfactory gameplay can end up being ~12 hours in paint, wiki and discord without launching the game once

[blazing torrent]

also its pretty impractical over just sinking PFRs and having like 5 augmenters, but this feels cooler

6 augmenters and just sinking PFRs is 1008GW

[hot junco]

Its kinda sad how expensive ficsionium actually is

[blazing torrent]

i would have said the same 2 days ago too, but I think i agree with @ HeinousTugboat now

[ionic cipher]

How much Somersloops and Mercer Spheres is on the map? Does anyone know? I am just wandering if it is even possible to make Dimensional Depots for each item in game.

[pulsar stone]

im about to start nuclear power, is there any good way to not get leftover waste early on?

[hot junco]

like 307 and 108 respectively?

[blazing torrent]

298 mercer and 106 somer

[hot junco]

Agree on what?

[blazing torrent]

cant really get rid of waste until you make Plutonium rods and sink them

[blazing torrent]

that it gives you a choice

[ionic cipher]

oh. so enough for Dimensional Depots as there is surely not more than 200 items in game right? But what about the soomers? Isnt that too little to do something significant with the power argumentation? 😄

[blazing torrent]

plus it can be useful for players that dont make max Uranium plants

[oblique hollow]

yes, you are forced to consider a trade off between augmenting and amplifying production

[lime siren]

Power augmentation is almost never worth. Just sloop the end machines of long production lines

[hollow wave]

||400% power|| is a lot of power

[hot junco]

That is a wild take. Saying that augmenting your grid is never worth

[pulsar stone]

so the Plutonium fuel Rods can be sunk, so i should unlock them before setting everything up.
cheers.

[ionic cipher]

I mean on one hand its nice to have 2x the final item, but if you amplify one lever lower you get 4x the items 😄

[oblique hollow]

augmenters become a bit better if you do the final research and give them matrices

30% grid boost

[blazing torrent]

you need a lot of Mercers for upgrades but surely there are enough. Somers sure, especially on something like SAM ore. You can also just double your grid for free basically. Matrices are a little too expensive for them to be worth imo

[hot junco]

&yeah idk. I wish they would do something about the endgame. Both Ficsonium and Ionized Fuel are.. questionable in terms of viability

I wouldnt call it a choice having to go through 50 hoops for a funny rod that is barely worth

[blazing torrent]

Ionized fuel is a good way to get rid of power shards and its amazing for drones and jetpack

[hot junco]

It actually is not that good in drones

[blazing torrent]

ficsonium is questionable but it can be viable

we had a ttalk about this yesterday, the drones fly hella fast with ionized fuel

[lime siren]

My bad, did not know the augmentation take was that hot. But then again I have not reached endgame yet

[blazing torrent]

sec, lemme see if i can find it

[hot junco]

If you let a drone fly from East to West edges of the map, Ionized fuel takes them ~5 minutes while batteries take 5:45

[oblique hollow]

its the same hoops as always with nuclear:
Store waste or do some multistep process to deal with waste

Now the choice is store plutonium or make ficsonium

[oblique hollow]

before it was store uranium waste, sink plutonium rods or store plutonium waste

each affect final power output and complexity of course

[blazing torrent]

i think the problem with ficsonium rods is more the cost

but it still gives you choices

[hot junco]

It would be a choice if it would cost half the trigons

[oblique hollow]

A single Accelerator making Ficsonium deals with 10 nukes burning plutonium

[blazing torrent]

if you want to be sane you do max uranium and sink plutonium rods + 6x augmenters
if you want to be insane you do what i designed and get 1TW with ficsonium

[oblique hollow]

its the same way 3 accelerators and 6 blenders deal with 300/min uranium waste

the cost only gets justified at large powe production scales

[blazing torrent]

@oblique hollow yeah but max plutonium waste is 224/min, to deal with that you need 2.37x the amount of SAM ore in the world

[brittle kayak]

Just out of curiosity: has anyone calculated which item is the most valuable, in terms of sink points, that can still be manufactured at 1,200 items per minute rate? 🙂 My first playthrough's final goal was 25 TPR per minute and that was eating up something like 60% of all resources available on the map or whatever, so there is simply no way those could be manufactured at tier 6 belt speed.

[hot junco]

You need to spend around 30 sloops to make enough ficsite for the rods that is the problem the rest is fine

I dont care that it has bad burn rate but the cost is just unbalanced

[oblique hollow]

I assume the max plutonium is without sloop boosting?

[blazing torrent]

yeah

cause at that point you need all the sloops for the SAM

i think if you sloop trigons and reanimated SAM you can get enough

but you end up with little to no SAM left over

[oblique hollow]

assuming you sloop SAM production?

Reanimated SAM that is

[hot junco]

If you dont sloop SAM production you have exactly enough to make 62.5 Ficsonium Rods/min

[oblique hollow]

and its probably all made from Aluminum > FIcsite, ye?

[oblique hollow]

In the late game it really seems like they want you to sloop stuff

given all the power

But again, i dont think max plutonium is EVER a concern

It will not be an issue, ever

[blazing torrent]

in terms of SAM usage in Ficsonium rods the trigons are the worst, so you wanna sloop those first, then RSAM

[hot junco]

If you reduce trigon cost from 40 to 30 per rod it's already fine

[oblique hollow]

Max Plutonium assumes max uranium i have to guess

Or do we actually just use all the plutonium alts

[hot junco]

I'm going of 50 Uranium Rods -> 12.5 Plutonium -> 62.5 Ficsonium

[oblique hollow]

cause those trade uranium efficiency for more plutonium

which is a mistake to make imo

[blazing torrent]

I cant answer your question but currently the most expensive item in the game is the Ballistic Warp Drive at 2,895,334 points and you would need 8634.6/min of that to get 25TPR and there isnt even enough resources on the map for 1000/min

[hot junco]

Which is nicer numbers of the maximum of 50.4 without converter

[oblique hollow]

Minimize Plutonium, maximize Uranium, something something FIcsonium

[hot junco]

Most likely Ballistic Warp Drives

[oblique hollow]

i dont think you can make warp drives at 1200/min

[blazing torrent]

you cant even make 100/min

lmao

[hot junco]

Why would you make 1200/min when their point value is astronomical?

[blazing torrent]

at least according to the calculator

[blazing torrent]

because for that amount of points you still need 8634 of them per minute

[oblique hollow]

cause they asked "..that can still be manufactured at 1200/min"

you didnt read the whole question

[hot junco]

My brain turned it into maximizing sink points ig

[oblique hollow]

the highest value item that can be made at 1200/min

[hot junco]

Like actually making 1200/min of it or its components fit on a mk6 belt?

[oblique hollow]

as far as i understood making 1200/min of that one item

they said "i made 25/min TPRs and that ate 60% of all the resources, so no way you can make a full mk 6 of them"

[hot junco]

Thre isnt much that you can make 1200/min of

[blazing torrent]

yeah but if you only want 1200 items per minute to reach 25 TPR you would need to make an item that is worth 20,833,333.333 points

wich is like 8x that of the warp drive

[oblique hollow]

Ficsite ingots maybe?

those seem like you can make 1200/min of them

[hot junco]

If you dont want to do anything else with them xD

[upper arrow]

The video im watching rn is mentioning daisy chaining in vanilla but when i google the topic i only find the mods etc

[oblique hollow]

its only 4800/min aluminum and 9600 SAM, assuming no sloop boosts

you can cut the SAM cost by 4

[oblique hollow]

some buildables can be daisy chained in vanilla, like power storages and lights
thats it

[hot junco]

Honestly might be packaged Ionized fuel

but thats only 6.3m

[oblique hollow]

the max RSAM you can get by slooping everything is 5100
with sloops, you could then make 5100/min Ficsite Ingots

[brittle kayak]

Because, for example, 10 items per min at 2.9 million points per item is worth less points than 1,200 items per min at 25,000 points per item one.

Basically, the real question is: what item would yield the maximum sink points per minute - might very well be the single most expensive one, but I kinda suspect it's not.

[royal yacht]

I think some people call it daisy chaining when you chain power poles and do like 2 machines to a pole

[hot junco]

Its pretty hard to make anything in the 25k Value range at those volumes

[brittle kayak]

Just an example, nevermind the figures themselves.

[oblique hollow]

9.873.600 points/min for MAX Ficsite ingots

[hot junco]

Actually arent cooling systems like pretty cheap overall?

[upper arrow]

The building he is daisy chaining are these which shouldnt be power storages unless im missing some key detail

[oblique hollow]

relatively

[hot junco]

Thats 14.4m points

and its possible without alt recipes

[oblique hollow]

look closely. they added wall power connectors above the refineries

[upper arrow]

Oh is he putting the power thingies on the building?

Yeah i was watching on low res before sending the screenshot, makes sense ty

[hot junco]

15 warp drives are also relatively cheap and make 43m points so I'll stand with warp drives

[boreal summit]

is there ever any reason to put screws in dimensional storage?

[hot junco]

Cause if you think about it, 15 Warp Drives/min is 43m points. To get close to that with anything produceable at 1200/min you need a value of 33k aka. Radio Control Unit or higher

[blazing torrent]

unless you wanna craft by hand or make awesome shops not really

[oblique hollow]

if you need screws in a hurry

[hot junco]

If you need an awesome shop on the fly I guess

[boreal summit]

hmm

Converting my starter base into my dimensional depot hub for all the construction parts I might want on hand

[blazing torrent]

@boreal summit there are 298 mercer spheres and you need 97 for max reserach, leaving you with 201 depos

thus i dont think its a waste putting them in

[boreal summit]

yeah, I'm aware, but in phase 3 I only have so much that I need on hand, and I haven't found a ton of spheres yet

[blazing torrent]

fair

[boreal summit]

I'm looking for spheres now and planning what else I might want in my depot hub

[blazing torrent]

just know that you can load your save into the online interactive map to see which ones you are missing

[hot junco]

Your ficsit contract legally binds you to pick them so go out explore

[blazing torrent]

unless you consider that cheating

[blazing torrent]

doctors orders

[boreal summit]

Oh I'm doing that for sure lol

been using that for hard drives for ages

I should also pick those up while I'm at it

[blazing torrent]

ive been using that map extensively

[hot junco]

I'm so happy to be done with hard drives and all the collectibles. I hate waiting 10 minutes for a bar to fill up

[brittle kayak]

RCU only yields 19.6k. If the point requirement is ~33k per item then you'll need to make Jetpacks or higher.

[boreal summit]

and I don't really see it as cheating since you get the coordinates sure but you still have to figure out how to reach it, not much different than using the scanner

[blazing torrent]

yeah

especially good when the slug is actually just in the ground

[hot junco]

RCUs should be 32k

[blazing torrent]

and you spend 30 mins looking for them

[brittle kayak]

Well, okay, disclaimer: provided fandom's list is accurate.

[blazing torrent]

looking at the sluggingtons on the left

[boreal summit]

and being able to know that you've already visited a spot and picked something up there before even heading out on a trip is also good

[boreal summit]

don't use fandom

[hot junco]

wiki.gg is the official one

[boreal summit]

it's been abandoned

[hot junco]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink

[boreal summit]

no guarantee that it's up to date

[oblique hollow]

yeah i dont think theres anything that can be made at 1200/min and still be worth more than 33k

[brittle kayak]

Yeah okay, fair. Thanks and yes, you are correct, according to that one.

[hot junco]

https://i.imgur.com/PAgK1Ga.png

15 warp drives with no alt recipes

[blazing torrent]

you can make 748 fused modula frames

[oblique hollow]

not even a full mk 5 belt smh

[blazing torrent]

47 mil points

[hot junco]

Can you make that many?

[blazing torrent]

and it requires a stupid amount of resources

[blazing torrent]

calculator says so

[hot junco]

Mine says you cant even with all alts

[blazing torrent]

oh

its 746, not 748

[hot junco]

Ah yeah that works

[blazing torrent]

also needs 261GW

[oblique hollow]

Magnetic Field Generators seem ultra cheap now

but soooo slow

[blazing torrent]

you can make 4884.44/min whcih is 53,728,840 points

at 11k points per

[oblique hollow]

hmm, not bad

whats the limiter?

steel?

[blazing torrent]

hard to tell with all the alt recipes

caterium maybe

[oblique hollow]

oh it maxes out just about everything

[hot junco]

Yeah it converts everything until it runs out of SAM

[oblique hollow]

SAM conversion is goofy

[hot junco]

I want a button to turn it off its so annoying

[blazing torrent]

apparently you can make 73.019 warp drives per minute

[blazing torrent]

turn off the recipes

[hot junco]

Gotta do it ever new sheet one by one

[blazing torrent]

211.4 million points

with sloops thats 422 but god knows where you will be getting the power for that from

771GW for the 73 per minute

[edgy leaf]

how many machines do u need for the 73 warp drives tho?

[hot junco]

Yes

[edgy leaf]

no i mean, if its more than 25 then u cant sloop them all

[blazing torrent]

just, yes

[edgy leaf]

no i mean the very last machines

[blazing torrent]

oh you meant like that, it makes 1 drive per minute in a manufacturer

for 2.5 with OC

[hot junco]

It's 1/min manufacturers so you would need like 25ish

[blazing torrent]

which is about 25 yeah

so exactly 100 sloops

[edgy leaf]

you need 30

thats 120 sloops, u only have 103 if you use the 3 in the mam

[blazing torrent]

oh yeah 30 mb

[hot junco]

Just wait for ficsmas

[edgy leaf]

do you think we can get more sloops during ficsmas?

[hot junco]

I'm hoping you can

[edgy leaf]

i doubt it. they're too strong

[blazing torrent]

yeah idk about that either

[hot junco]

Dont have a use for power shards or the superposition oscillator

[blazing torrent]

there is a reason its a limited resource

[edgy leaf]

btw, are there any working hypertube cyclotrons in 1.0?

[hot junco]

Nothing changed with them no?

[oblique hollow]

They broke in U8

Cause of Unreal Engine Upgrade and the resulting phyiscs changes

[hot junco]

Ah well havent tested since then

[edgy leaf]

ye i know. but i thought i saw some people talking about them here. it gave the vibes that they figured out a new way to do it

or maybe they were just talking about the old designs

[oblique hollow]

cant confirm that personally, didnt see anything.
Sorry. maybe some did but thats a bit elusive

[cloud comet]

How much energy do pipeline pumps need to function?

[cloud comet]

Yeah, those

[edgy leaf]

yep

[hot junco]

It says above build cost

4 MW

[cloud comet]

OH

I've never noticed that before

[oblique hollow]

ALL buildings with a fixed power cost state their cost on the building page

[cloud comet]

Thanks

[south surge]

Looking to go big and use all (at least most) of the resources on the map, is this overkill? 684,000 MW, and I plan on doubling with power augmentors

[hot junco]

If you fancy putting down 1100 Fuel gens all the power to you

Overclocked fuel gens*

[polar schooner]

2200 because he'll have 22800/m RF from somersloops

[south surge]

I did 800 in my previous world (not overclocked), and I do plan on over clocking these so I hope it wont be too bad

[hot junco]

You cant sloop them if you plan on straight up doubling your power with augmenters

unless you plan on using matrices

[south surge]

No I’m using power augmentors, so it adds on extra power after instead of doubling output

[polar schooner]

oh my bad

[south surge]

Nw

[cloud comet]

Is there anything I can do with an uranium mine at phase 2?

[hot junco]

Nope

[edgy leaf]

no, its for tier 8

[cloud comet]

Awww, I was hoping there would be some way to generate more power with them

Kinda starting to have issues after building lots of refineries

[oblique hollow]

gotta get to phase 3

or, in your case right now: get fuel power (or more if you already do)

[cloud comet]

I have none

I could power shard my 24 coal gens too

But my pipelines can't carry that much water

[oblique hollow]

then you need more pipelines

are you burning coke?

[cloud comet]

Coal

[lime siren]

3 pure oil nodes can give you 24000 MW, even when you take the easiest way to turbofuel and focus in plastic/rubber

Huge upgrade

[oblique hollow]

refining oil makes heavy oil
which can be turned to coke

coke burns in coal generators too

[cloud comet]

I was turning the heavy oil into more plastic and rubber

[edgy leaf]

i plan to make 30320 fuel/min in the end. normal fuel tho, not rocket fuel

[cloud comet]

That basically doubles my rubber and plastic generation

[oblique hollow]

at the cost of power

if you dont utilize that much rubber and plastic, consider turning that down and using the heavy oil for coke at the moment
or you focus on unlocking fuel gens

[south surge]

Oh damn

[edgy leaf]

in my u7/8 playthrough i used all the oil from the spire coast to turn into fuel, 60% for making plastic and rubber and 40% for power.

in this playthrough i want to make as much coke as i need for aluminum and the rest to fuel

[south surge]

Nice

You gonna go nuclear too?

[edgy leaf]

yep, eventually

then i can turn all my fuel into plastic/rubber

[south surge]

Cool

1 more thing, rocket fuel is a gas so I don’t need to use pumps right?

[edgy leaf]

if its a gas then no pumps

[river night]

right

[edgy leaf]

fuel converts 1 to 1 to rubber or plastic so thats 30320 rubber/plastic

[south surge]

Oh man that’s awesome

[edgy leaf]

ive never erally had issues with pumps tbh

[south surge]

I did, I stupidly put my fuel generators in a giant 500m tower

From my last play through

[hot junco]

Roughly what I'm going to do soon once I finish designing some stuff xD

[stiff walrus]

Is someone already done with this calculation? I'm losing interest

[edgy leaf]

what are you calculating?

[stiff walrus]

Alien Power Matrix

[edgy leaf]

satisfactorytols could do that for you

[hot junco]

Its not in there yet afaik

[edgy leaf]

oh really?

i thought it already had everything O.o

[hot junco]

Been missing for me

[edgy leaf]

oh it doesnt, weird

[stiff walrus]

Thats the reason, why I'm doing it by hand... And I don't use it very often

[hot junco]

Well what do you want to calcuate?

30/min?

[oblique hollow]

you could calculate the inputs for the matrices with tools instead

So power shards, SAM fluctuators, Superposition oscillators

[edgy leaf]

could you just do this here?

[edgy leaf]

ope, already did it

[oblique hollow]

yeah exactly this

[stiff walrus]

ty

[edgy leaf]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=8vyfqwydCd9WpD5NwuJk

[cloud comet]

Can I put more than 1 sloop in constructors? Trying to get the most bang for my alien remains

[edgy leaf]

nope

the best u can do with sloops is double stuff. even in manufacturers where u need 4, putting in 4 "only" doubles it. putting in less is less than doubling it

[cloud comet]

That makes sense, thanks

[lime ice]

But it's multiplicative for multi-step production

[rugged halo]

Which should I take?

[oblique hollow]

No clue, flip a coin
right one is more aluminum efficient (and nees less heavy frames i think) than base but you need fuel

[drowsy ferry]

Heat fused every time

[small wing]

is there already a way to calculate how much fuel drones will need?

[drowsy ferry]

To add on, the plutonium increase overall resource and power cost while the heat reduces both, granted of course you have access to everything

[oblique hollow]

the old method was
4 batteries fixed and then 1 for every extra km

but now they can use any fuel

sooooo 🤷

[small wing]

guess ill have to produce a random amount and check if thats enough sadge

[small wing]

you can sink it, its decent points in the early game for low effort

[cloud comet]

As ores?

[small wing]

ye

[cloud comet]

How many points is it per ore?

[small wing]

35

[cloud comet]

What about reanimated sam?

[small wing]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink

[proud nebula]

bro i was gonna call you the nerdest nerd but like your pfp cancels it

and why do our bio's kinda mach match i think its match not mach

i cant spell ik

@pearl nacelle i chose the 30mil depleted uranium bullets for the gau up my ass i aint marrying that car bro

my bad didnt even need to put them up my ass

[white bloom]

heat-fused frame

[polar schooner]

is there a recommended fuel gen layout? I'll have 1600 fuel coming out of 11 packagers side-by-side and don't know how to set up the 32 gens

[proud nebula]

i normally just slap a few down and push through to Blenders then make a bigger setup. that way you dont need to worry about the package /unpackage steps

[calm mauve]

i normally just slap a few down and push through to Blenders then make a bigger setup. that way you dont need to worry about the package /unpackage steps

[proud nebula]

To add on, the plutonium increase overall resource and power cost while the heat reduces both, granted of course you have access to everything

[polar schooner]

that's what I initially wanted to do but I haven't unlocked blenders yet (T5/T6), so I had to made due with this monstrosity

[edgy leaf]

how good is using fuel for drones?

it seems so so so so much easier than batteries

[proud nebula]

Consumes a lot, apparently

[edgy leaf]

im worried itll just eat all my fuel tho

[lime ice]

Consumes a lot, apparently

[deft lichen]

next time, it's better to make closed loops with 2 packagers and 1 refinery, rather than looping the whole thing
you can even blueprint it with the right recipes and clock speeds

[lime ice]

Drone fuel comparison #math-and-meta message

[proud nebula]

?

mb

nvm

[lime ice]

Edited

[proud nebula]

loinkabonkgalonklabonk

[edgy leaf]

oof, and ud have to waste oil on plastic too, or use steel..

i think ill just keep not using drones then. i considered rushing to them and using htem with fuel but its not worth it

[proud nebula]

'

ok so i did some calculations and there is 31475 uranium per minute on the map using converters

[small wing]

oh perfect exactly what i was looking for

[proud nebula]

np

[edgy leaf]

u can make 256.32 uranium fuel rods per minute now

[proud nebula]

oh

ye ngl i just copied that

i,m not that smart goblin after all

[edgy leaf]

are you sure its 31475 uranium per minute?

satisfactory tools says around 10k

[proud nebula]

oh ye idk i copied that from some guy in this server

[deft lichen]

this doesn't consider overslooping

(overslooping the fuel rods would be much more profitable anyway)

[edgy leaf]

how much does it take to sloop aconverter?

4?

[deft lichen]

2

[edgy leaf]

if its 4 you could get 7725 extra from slooping, it would use up all of your sloops

[heavy gust]

Is that wort power wise?

[deft lichen]

you can double the whole thing, because you can combine overslooping and overclocking

[edgy leaf]

that was with overclocking. (assuming 4 sloops tho)

[edgy leaf]

no, itd be better to sloop the grid with APAs

[deft lichen]

2 sloops per converter

28x250% converters and 1x150% converter, so 29x2=58 sloops used

[edgy leaf]

if u use sloops on the earlier converters ud have to use some more sloops on the later ones too

for max efficiency

[deft lichen]

slooping ores would be wasteful anyway as I said

you get the biggest gains the more expensive the craft of each component is & the less machines there are producing it

[edgy leaf]

yea and slooping power is even worse

if u max out uranium fuel units thats 427 manufacturers, slooping doesnt even make a dent in it. and even if it was only 50 manufacturers, itd still be more lucrative to just sloop the grid

btw, do any of u know some good vertical train intersections?

[topaz jetty]

Well I just saw that an particle accelerator with sloops producing pasta uses 20 GW and now I am genuinely concerned for my power grid

I guess it’s time to burn plutonium

[dire dew]

whats a basic starter nuke power set up that deals with the waste?

[pearl nacelle]

😭

[topaz jetty]

I’m going for 50 GW total prod with 4 uranium rods/min and the fertile uranium alt lets the waste be recycled very easily

[dire dew]

do u have a tool layout?

ive never touched a nuke reactor so idk what im doing lol

[topaz jetty]

I can make one wait a sec

[dire dew]

awesome if its not too much bother i appreciate that

i really dont want to end up with boxes full of waste l0l

[plush marten]

u can make that
u will use up all the sam ore but u would need some way to store that Pu waste because u cant make all that into FFR

[topaz jetty]

Here https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=6DjF37Q0yCFT4BFhJyIl

[plush marten]

i did that calc but i wanted zero waste build this time so yeah i would stick to 50 ish rod

[topaz jetty]

It has some aluminium alts and also the all important fertile uranium

[dire dew]

holy crap l0l

[topaz jetty]

And add on top 4 uranium fuel units

Total 50GW of uranium power and if burned another 50 from plutonium

[dire dew]

is the plutonium sinkable?

thus 100% dealing with waste?

[topaz jetty]

The fuel rods yes

Total elimination of waste

[dire dew]

is there an optimal location to build this? lots of different stuff involved

[plush marten]

u can convert pu waste to FFR

nd use it
no waste from FFR

[topaz jetty]

And if you want burning plutonium has 1/10th the waste production

[dire dew]

u can say dwieh and weiguwiegu and i have no idea what your saying

[topaz jetty]

The ficsonium stuff

[proud nebula]

iaint never taking the car

[plush marten]

PU - plutonium waste

[plush marten]

ty

[proud nebula]

look at my bio what do you chose

[topaz jetty]

That is literally this times 4 to produce for no waste and maximum power

[plush marten]

can both happen at the same time ?

[proud nebula]

hell nah bro

[dire dew]

im so confused guys

[plush marten]

why

[topaz jetty]

The current setup shared above requires 2 pasta/min

Very very expensive

[plush marten]

but doable 🙂

[dire dew]

ive completed p4

thats why i wanna go nuke for endgame

[plush marten]

noice

[dire dew]

i just dont wanna bucket full of waste

[proud nebula]

i mean ig if you are in to it

[topaz jetty]

Your gonna need nukes for endgame the quantum stuff is power hungry as hell

[plush marten]

convert it into FFR and use it in reactor
no waste

[dire dew]

yea i only got like 40k power atm from turbo

[dire dew]

brother whats a FFR

i dont understand abreviations

[plush marten]

ficsonium fuel rod

[dire dew]

alright thankyou 😛

[plush marten]

plutonium waste is proceed into that

[thin stump]

guys

[edgy leaf]

you would need some way to store the uranium waste

[plush marten]

thought it produces very less energy compared to Pu but there is no waste from it

[thin stump]

what do i do with an extra 1 plutonium fuel rod/min

[edgy leaf]

tractor

[plush marten]

convert the whole into Pu rods

[thin stump]

i got the math wrong, now I have 1 extra

[boreal summit]

sink it

[edgy leaf]

cant if u use up all the resources

[edgy leaf]

drones

produces no waste afaik

[topaz jetty]

I would not recommend ficsonium since it would be easier just to double the uranium and plutonium numbers from above

[thin stump]

is it a good fuel for drones? really?

[plush marten]

what i am doing is making 55 rods /min and using sam ore to manufacture FFR so that there is no waste left behind

[edgy leaf]

one plut rod per minute is enough for 50 drones

[topaz jetty]

And also it’s the last milestone in T9

[plush marten]

but the drawback is that there will be no resource left in the world

[edgy leaf]

well yea but i was talkig aobut making 256.32 ur fuel rods

[plush marten]

yes i was also planning on doing it
then after looking at the amt of waste i scrapped the idea

[dire dew]

does the fixonium continue after this?

[vast jungle]

OMG... this could just fit into the MK2 BP Designer!

[plush marten]

yes

[plush marten]

its for people who dont wanna deal with waste

[dire dew]

ok so i will focus on curious's set up first... then worry about the next phases after

[topaz jetty]

The plutonium makes 20 waste put that into input with 8 ficsonium fuel rod as output

And you will see why I don’t recommend it

[dire dew]

yeah cause its gonna be monsterous l0l

rather just claim the basic power and sink those 2 rods lol

[plush marten]

the energy output is low af

from ffr

[topaz jetty]

At least for this relatively small uranium amount just double the uranium and plutonium and boom 100GW

[topaz jetty]

They are meant for waste recycling

[plush marten]

i thought we were maxing uranium 🙂

[dire dew]

@topaz jetty is there a location youd reccomend building this, cause i wanna make it 100% independant (no trains ect)

[topaz jetty]

I do not think that is possible really

[dire dew]

its just 9 resources i can make it happen ;]

[topaz jetty]

And it will be much simpler if the non radioactives are made farther away and then imported

[dire dew]

maybe at most transporting nitrogen gas lol

[plush marten]

i am torn b/w waste recycle and more power XD
like do i use sam for FFR or increase uranium prod

[dire dew]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

this schematic seems to have enough calibur of power

like why continue the complexity chain when u can just go set up rocket fuel in a day lol

[topaz jetty]

Independence only means the factory makes just one end product it does not mean it has to be one big factory

[plush marten]

i diid set up rocket fuel

put down about 500 gens till now and continuing

[dire dew]

i just did 1 node oil turbo fuel its served me fine for p4

but thats pushing it lol

[topaz jetty]

You can use SFtools for this too and it has a habit of mixing different production lines and it helps to keep stuff segregated

One byproduct goes here one output gets split there etc.

More confusion

[plush marten]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

trying to make this work 🙂

[opal pewter]

Chatgpt does some good work for calculations and mapping a build

[edgy leaf]

u need to click on the share button to actually share it, u just sent a link to the website

[plush marten]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=2oJJr8DJ8GaKlRWm3Uw4

can u guys see it now ?

[pulsar idol]

why soo much....

[plush marten]

for fun

[dire dew]

yea thats overkill but i respect it

[plush marten]

me and my friend love to push our limit nd torture ourself 🥲

will post it once its done

[topaz jetty]

Hmm maybe a #design-and-architecture question?

[coarse mason]

oh sorry yes

[plush marten]

and spoiler alert : we plan to convert that into IF 🥲

we dont know how much but we will fig it out

[dire dew]

btw is something going to go horribly wrong if i dont exactly match the 200/min waste?

or can i just make a 200- waste goes here hole and trust it

[topaz jetty]

How will you not match it

4 fuel rods in will make 200 waste as math says

[dire dew]

wasnt sure if anything else is going to produce waste also

[crimson fox]

are there any calculators for splitting belts cuz I need to split a 360 belt into 30, 150, and 180

[topaz jetty]

And the only reason this works with 200 is that with fertile uranium the numbers work out nicely

[dire dew]

just overflow it through 1 entire linked manifold?

[topaz jetty]

Nope just plants produce waste

[topaz jetty]

Use manifolds, trust me

You do NOT want to try over complicated splitting

[lone igloo]

Does this still count as within 10m headlift height?

[polar schooner]

so I thought you meant "don't run everything over 1 belt" and so I made four belts for transporting canisters.
Now I seem to have put too many canisters on the belt and my fuel unpackaging is being throttled by the transportation belts lol

[inner dragon]

I'm building a dedicated motor factory (probably the first time ever) and I'm not sure how I would go ahead with splitting

225 iron ingots / min into 125 and 100 / min.

(For rotor assembly, which means screws and iron rods, respectfully.)

Edit: Or maybe I could put the constructors for screws and the input for the assemblers (rotors) on the same manifold?)

[wind spade]

No and never will

[chrome atlas]

calculations is like the least useful thing you could ask chatgpt to do 😭

[novel plaza]

i have a 2 lane manifold going, and can all my conveyors go in the same direction or does the inside conveyor have to go in the opposite direction to the outside conveyors?

im new to not making spagetti

[wind spade]

And it sucks at that

[potent isle]

thinking about building my first steel factory here its very far away from home but i assume hypertubes will fix that in the future, is it a good place for the factory to scale aswell?

[past reef]

it's iron you can get plenty, can't you just use a normal splitter and flood the belt

if not do 3 way split (75 each first output) then 3 way split the middle (25 each 2nd split) and merge 1 to the left

[inner dragon]

I'll give flooding a go. Much machinery already in place.

[little timber]

I will share my plans with you in a second

[past reef]

For alumina solution + electrode aluminum scrap I should aim for 300s of ingot per module so I can get nice clock number for refineries?

[little timber]

This is my location and my production, just for reference, not saying its good or bad

using mk 3 belts ( 270 * 4 = 1080)

yeah, mk3 belts to make a steel factory, ironic but Id rather build it slowly just to get this set up the way I want it

[past reef]

that's a lot of beam for belts

[ashen girder]

When I'm in that area I set up a truck to haul coal from there to the valley with the pure iron in it. Works great.

[nimble flower]

I'm stuck in a hole

[ashen girder]

Build foundations out?

[nimble flower]

Right, that works

[ashen girder]

That's one reason I get ladders super early in the awesome shop.

[north wren]

Do gasses behave the same as liquids in the pipes aside from the unlimited headlift?
Like can you expect 600m³/min flow rate from gasses, or are they also as finicky as liquids?

[potent isle]

I have thought of that aswell but assume there would be some lag and not much of a constant flow

[ashen girder]

Never been a problem for me. 🤷‍♂️

[potent isle]

how are you getting the 1080 output? i have mk2 miners

[ashen girder]

I will say, where the coal actually is is not a great place to build unless you like sky platforms.

[heavy flicker]

hello

i discoverd something awsome

with gliders

if you glide on a slope 89 degrees or less you will fly up and i cal it the karen lift

[potent isle]

yup the place is extremely uneven I will have to do uplifted platforms

[heavy flicker]

since it is very annoying to do just like karens

[cedar harbor]

Guys is the EPM recipe bugged?

Or is it intended to have no input?

[pearl nacelle]

i think the cat because a tigers toung is like sandpaper im pretty sure

[proud nebula]

good answer

[snow maple]

intended, the only input is the power to run the converter

[cedar harbor]

Okay great. I think they should change the description to not mention SAM like that then.

[snow maple]

perhaps, though the converter does require sam to build, I think that's what they're referring to

[cedar harbor]

Trueee. I think it has to be clarified better though.

[snow maple]

i agree

[little timber]

270 per miner with overclocking

270 because mk3 belts, dont want anymore, cant handle any more

[potent isle]

got it so a lot of slugs

[little timber]

not really, I have 200 slugs and I dont have steel yet

just save them and double them with somersloop

its only about 30 shards for the miners

which is 3 purple slugs

[potent isle]

have not unlocked amplifiers cause i need steel

[little timber]

I got all the items from crash sites

manually craft a bit if you want, if not then dont worry about too much what Im doing, do what you want to do

[potent isle]

ill just kickstart the factory then get some

[little timber]

yeah exactly what I'm going to do, I dont have many mk3 belts so I will build the factory, then use the product to upgrade belts

so at the start it will be "broken"

also, 120*4 is reasonable output too, I just wanted more for some reason

[safe hawk]

@clear shuttle i think i have picasso beat

[little timber]

I do the diamond for this

[safe hawk]

fixed after feadback that im stupid

[little timber]

you didn't fix it, you should split 60 to 30, 30, then split to 10, 10 10, then merge it all back to 60

for style points, I like the first one more

[clear shuttle]

actually I just realized its even a 240 on an mk3 lane and I just doubled my factories now I need 6x30, so 180. but I did it somehow like you draw it

[safe hawk]

fyi you dont need balancers, if you just use a manifold it will eventually fix the ratios naturally due to consumtion and production not matching

[lone yacht]

based

[earnest tide]

I have a question, i am using Aluminum Scrap, the Recipe giving an 360 Scrap output. I have 3 of them, and been monitoring them for an hour now, and they are producing perfectly well. All this, in total 1080 Alu-Scrap a min, going to 18 smelters, demanding 60x18=1080.. So, this should be 100% stable. Still, over time, the buffer of Alu Scrap is getting lower and lower.
Ever so slightly and slow, one after the other stack is going away.

[ashen girder]

How are you belting it?

#satisfactory-memes go thataway.

[main atlas]

wheres that channel at, doesnt seem like i can access it

[earnest tide]

regular manifold, like all my other builds.
Everywhere else i have got things to work.
Using Mrk 6, one in, one out, handeling all the 1080 /min

[ashen girder]

In the Satisfactory Media section.

[main atlas]

oh right