math-and-meta

[oblique hollow]

states 120/min, outputs 120/min

you can open the menu of the miner and try to time it

[rose coral]

Where does the conveyor go from miner

[prime mist]

simple noob question

a conveyor merger can handle 2 belts with 30/min each and no backflow right?

[woven crater]

it goes to a constructor to make reanimated sam and it is filling up the constructor's buffer

[rose coral]

See how much constructor needs

[white bloom]

mergers and splitters have unlimited throughput, it's only the belts that are limited

[woven crater]

120/min 😛

[prime mist]

Oh that's very lovely. Thank you.

[rose coral]

Then is your output from constructor full too?

[woven crater]

nope

[rose coral]

What is us the efficiency percent of constructor?

[woven crater]

100%

[tame harbor]

What's the settings on the machines downstream?

Ah just saw it

Is the constructors buffer full?

[oblique hollow]

it is filling

[wind sail]

well this will be fun

[tame harbor]

What about downstream of the constructor?

[wind sail]

(this is for like 1080 steel a minute

[woven crater]

i'm going to try to flush the line and see if it "fixes itself

[tame harbor]

[wind spade]

@gloomy quartz see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[rose coral]

My do you need mk3 there?

Is okay anyway

[woven crater]

mk2 belts are expensive

[rose coral]

How is mk3 belt cheaper than mk2

[wind spade]

it's not

[maiden arch]

what is the parts/min rate you go for when automating project assembly parts?

[wind spade]

steel is more expensive than iron

[prime mist]

I assume its more convinient to produce for him with current factory production?

If he produces alot of steel but not that many screws, can be more comfy to mk3

[wind spade]

you don't need screws for mk2

[woven crater]

yea, also how does the calculus change with solid steel ingots?

[rose coral]

Reinforced plate need screw

[prime mist]

yeah, if one of the alt recipes but depends if he has them

[wind spade]

not with all recipes

[white bloom]

he alludes to alt recipes

[rose coral]

Idk how mk3 belt is saturated

If both ends is 120 idk man.

[woven crater]

I think there was a visual bug with the miner UI and it's buffer was full

[rose coral]

Ok now that explains the extra item on conveyor

Bro i just reroll a hard drive and now it says +6 inventory or +5 inventory

[oblique hollow]

rip lmao

[rose coral]

I guess +6 it is

[wind sail]

12 out of... 54.

[true junco]

In 1.0my first HD offered me inventory on the first roll. 😆

[main thicket]

up and running after hours of troubleshooting

[ancient oriole]

big storage was really just 2 or 3 double containers. Numerical-wise, its pretty big.

19,200 if 2, 28,800 if 3.

[royal yacht]

Ayyyyy

[tame harbor]

My lazy go-to is 1 building worth at 100% clock of the fastest producing item, or whatever gets me to under 3 hours after finishing the automation.

Then I add stuff like sloops and go explore for a bit

[maiden arch]

so at phase 1 that would be one assembler worth of versatile frameworks aka 5/min, right?

[ancient oriole]

With 16,900 screws p/min, you can make 975 rotors p/min.
All it takes is 1 pure copper node and 3 pure iron nodes.
Pure Iron Ingot and Pure Copper Ingot alternate recipes.

And theres exactly a spot that have all that + an extra pure limestone.

[tame harbor]

Yup, then overclock the smort plating to 250%

[royal yacht]

1900+ with slooping

[ancient oriole]

Yah, thats a wild number of rotors p/min.

[tame harbor]

In 200 minutes it'll be done and you can spend that time exploring for Spheres, sloops, hard drives, and high end stuff you haven't unlocked yet

Only just finished phase 2 and got early oil up and running

[ancient oriole]

That means in a lil over a minute, it will have filled one double container.

[royal yacht]

That’s mental

To be honest though with that many rotors I’d likely be combining with stators for motors

[ancient oriole]

but it does require 86.66667 assemblers. But you'd never need to make another rotor factory, ever again

[royal yacht]

Yeah……..

[ancient oriole]

52 refineries for the copper

and 66.85 for the iron

[wind spade]

or 780 copper + 380 iron + 705 coal

[ancient oriole]

To make?

[wind spade]

975 rotors

[ancient oriole]

Ah, make steel, yes?

[wind spade]

steel rod, yeah

[ancient oriole]

Certainly makes use of less space, but that means transporting coal or steel to the spot I'm thinking of.

[ancient oriole]

What should I then do with the rest of my 1960 iron at that spot?

[wind spade]

I'd usually pick spot after I've picked recipes 🤷‍♂️

or together with it

not pick a spot and then trying to fit production there

also 975 rotors sounds like 960 more than you need 😄

[white bloom]

what's the cost and ratios for alien production amplification again? you put 1 somersloop into 1 production building and that will 2x output and 4x power usage? combinable with regular overclocking to 250%, presumably?

[wind spade]

yeah, some machines have more slots for sloops though, so there you get x2 production once you put all of them there (scales linearly)

[ancient oriole]

But I can make 975 there, and sink the ones I no need. Big coupon gain

[wind spade]

if making for sink, I'd make something more complex than rotors

[white bloom]

so x2 is always at all slots occupied, but how many that is depends on the building. how many is that for each building? and power is x4 yes?

[wind spade]

wiki may have some info on it already. I'm not sure

[white bloom]

unfortunately not, that's why I was asking. I checked there first. ^^

BIG new feature for sure. implications are massive. someone on reddit pointed out you can use it to effectively 4x your alien dna capsule production which will help a lot with coupons

but it's going to be interesting to account for all these new options when doing production maximization

[ancient oriole]

Its really just to do something with an area, without moving anything else over there.

[prime mist]

Couponmaxxing for Mario

He needs those lovely FISTIC rewards

[white bloom]

only endgame there is

numbers go up

[wind spade]

yeah but still you're most likely able to make more than rotors

[royal yacht]

Best (unreliable) coupon source early game is doggos

[wind spade]

at least motors are possible

[white bloom]

I've been hand crafting xeno zappers. takes very little resources to get surprisingly many points

enough for my early game needs

(concrete foundation and double ramp)

[ancient oriole]

but dude, 16,900 screws

[ancient oriole]

So make stators + rotors ? Which recipes would you suggest

[wind spade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=fsFHaPjXXx08GHK1vzNS this gives me 205 motors

tho idk what's your node cap

[potent isle]

new to the game does anyone have an idea why this is not working?

belt from miner to a splitter to 3 smelters to a storage to constructors

the storage to constructor part is working completely fine

[wind spade]

for future, I wouldn't build storage for ingots

or ores

[potent isle]

i understand but i had a lot lying around and couldnt just waste them for now

[ancient oriole]

780

[wind spade]

you're not wasting anything really, items are infinite

[potent isle]

does the storage part also reduce efficiency?

[wind spade]

it's just pointless buffer

ideally it will be always empty anyway

[potent isle]

got it

[tranquil sphinx]

Which is better overall for production speed? Standard Recipe or Stitched Iron plates?

[potent isle]

do you have any idea why the smelters might not be working?

[royal yacht]

Production speed is a shit metric

Building count is better

[wind spade]

building count is a shit metric

[tame harbor]

Also 2x slug power shard harvesting

[wind spade]

resource saving is better 😛

[royal yacht]

Resource saving > building count > speed

[tranquil sphinx]

Stitched gives me 3 per build

while standard gives me 1

[royal yacht]

Then stitched is “faster” for the same amount of buildings I guess… in other words… more for less buildings :3

[potent isle]

fixed it was just a glitch

[royal yacht]

I prefer default in most early game cases, but if you have available copper stitched is good

[wind spade]

iron wire

[royal yacht]

Iron wire do be kinda nice for that yeah

But that wasn’t a specified available alt :3

[cerulean edge]

Hello. 1.0 doesn't seem to be perfectly complete in Satisfactory Calculator, so maybe it's just that the numbers are wrong, but is it possible that burning your plutonium and then turning it into ficsonium fuel instead of sinking the plutonium costs more power for the machines than what you gain all together?

[wind spade]

many people have said similar things, so I'd say it's entirely possible

at least that ficsonium chain is power negative

not sure how it is with plutonium sinking

[cerulean edge]

Okay, thanks, I can imagine that it's true, because you're supposed to use that alien power augmentation thing, and maybe that's how it's supposed to work.

[ashen girder]

Far as I can tell, there's 3 possible outcomes they expect:

• Uranium power, sink Plutonium rods
• Plutonium power, store the waste
• Ficsonium power (slightly less than Plutonium), waste is burnt off

So if you don't mind collecting and storing the waste, you'll get more power. The tradeoff being a permanently irradiated section of the map.

[tame harbor]

And if you fail to keep up with additional storage you have a power shortage

Ficsonium feels like an alternative to sinking the rods

And ideally sits between those 2 extremes

[royal yacht]

It basically is, but you get to add plutonium power and ficsonium power

[ashen girder]

Yeah, you get some of Plutonium's power without the cost of storage.

Of course, that's predicated on it taking more than 150,000MJ to make a ficsonium rod. 😂

[royal yacht]

I really can’t say with certainty because I’ve not tried yet but I’d be surprised if plutonium + ficsonium is still negative, even if just the ficsonium part is

[amber jacinth]

cough

[ashen girder]

This doesn't actually answer how much power work (MJ) it takes to generate 1 Ficsonium rod. 🙃

[tame harbor]

I wonder how going for multiple, underclocked but slooped buildings along the ficsonium chain can offset the power deficit.

Though that many sloops power augmenter are probably a better investment

[wind spade]

@fair helm see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[amber jacinth]

I'll run some calculations when I get home today 👍

[hybrid granite]

It is in fact, entirely possible to get the alien power augmenter without ever using any power
I just got all the parts for it and research without ever placing down the space elevator, and no power was required during the process

[ashen girder]

That's the number. If it's >7.65TJ, it's net negative even including Plutonium. (Assuming 1 plutonium turns into 1 ficsonium)

[royal yacht]

Can you by any chance also work out how much power would be generated at each nuclear stage?

[royal yacht]

Ah ok

[still smelt]

Is it worth it to sink parts that I'm nowhere close to having a use for (only just completed phase 2) or should I hold on to them for now?

[royal yacht]

2:1

[ashen girder]

You have to burn two plutonium to make one ficsonium?

[ashen girder]

Looooootsa tickets for those guys if you're early.

[amber jacinth]

That depends a lot on the ratios being used - especially with the converter Stuff now.

[royal yacht]

Idk someone said smth like that

[ashen girder]

Well, Plut is 7.5TJ of energy and Fics is 150GJ. 😂

[amber jacinth]

2 plut waste → 1 ficsonium rod

[main thicket]

nevermind it crashed again

[royal yacht]

Noooo

[tame harbor]

So it's what, 15TJ+150?

[ashen girder]

So if it takes more than 150GJ to turn 1 plutonium waste into 1 fics, it's net negative compared to storing the waste. If it takes more than 15.15TJ, it's net negative compared to burning plutonium.

[magic island]

those things are a ticket jackpot in early-mid game. by the time you actually need to use them, you'll be able to make them, so sink away imo

[royal yacht]

Yeah, I track from sinking plutonium personally as that’s the previous radiationless

[ashen girder]

Like I said, there's 3 outcomes. One is just accepting the radiation and building a city around it called Megaton and hoping some wasteland wanderer doesn't decide to blow it up for funsies.

[still smelt]

[deft lichen]

You got your answer from greeny, the rates are written on the wiki (either view the fuel item or generator page), they should be up to date already

[ashen girder]

Ew maff.

[royal yacht]

Maff? In this factory game?

[still smelt]

Me when unlocking oil/aluminum processing. (ratios make brain ouchie)

[main thicket]

dude i placed the 300 pipe into the 112 and the 112 into the 300

[thin stump]

this good?

[frosty raven]

It's not great

[thin stump]

not better than solid i guess?

[frosty raven]

Definitely not

[chrome mountain]

Where do I find the session ID in 1.0 🙏 🙏 please I want to play with my friends

[hybrid mulch]

Where do I find the session ID in 1.0 🙏 🙏 please I want to play with my friends

[thin stump]

this is the other pick

[frosty raven]

Oil's a pretty precious resource, and Soild Steel's efficiency is pretty much unmatched

[ashen girder]

Save both, find another drive.

[frosty raven]

I'd say the math is pretty kind to Fused Wire. Good speed, good material efficiency, and both of those translate to pretty good energy efficiency

I'm not sure if I'm gonna bother with it myself, though

[thin stump]

i'd rather just make caterium wire

[ashen girder]

I'd rather just make iron wire. 👀

[frosty raven]

Caterium Wire's the fastest and most material efficient

If you don't have anything better to do with that caterium, by all means

[ashen girder]

Yeah, but I want my Caterium for Quickwire. 😄

And my Copper for my Sheets.

[true junco]

Its pretty good considering petroleum coke is extremely easy to make a lot of. Idk if its changed in 1.0, but of all the paths to making steel, coke steel had the highest global yield.

[frosty raven]

I don't use Iron Wire, but I can't argue with how stupid plentiful iron is

[true junco]

Oil is not rare at all. And the amount of coke you can make from a small amount of oil is huge.

[true junco]

Iron wire is pretty good. I rarely use it, but it can be very convenient just because it uses only iron.

[frosty raven]

Same page there, then

[wind spade]

all recipes are good tbh

[thin stump]

what's the point of adhered plates? anyone uses those?

[wind spade]

yes, people do use them a bit

very cheap plates

[true junco]

Unless a lot has changed, solid steel is really good only when paired with either pure iron or iron alloy. Coke steel is way better than default steel imo, and is very handy when coal isnt handy.

Note. All recipes that require petroleum coke including in generators are deceptive. They all seam worse than using coal, but if you use HOR to refine the crude and then make petro-coke, youll find it takes a small amount of oil to make a huge amount of coke.

[ashen girder]

4 coke per oil that way.

[kind prairie]

What's a "small" amount of oil?

[soft summit]

they have cocaine in satisfactory?

[thin stump]

i always wanted to make a huge amount of coke, and there's noone on this planet who will stop me

[thin stump]

satisfactory IS the cocaine, just sold on steam (and epic) and more affordable

[soft summit]

I like the sound of this

[true junco]

30 crude can make 120 coke.

1 ref set to HOR, 1 Ref set to make coke.

[kind prairie]

Actually not bad, thanks.

[royal yacht]

Such an easy mistake

[ashen girder]

21,600MJ of coke for 30 crude, 20,000MJ of fuel (not diluted).

[sudden sluice]

are these two underground?

[ashen girder]

Diluted boosts that up to 60,000MJ though.

[main thicket]

you can see on the altitude on the satisfactory map (the site)

[true junco]

Unless something else has changed. You could maximize global bauxite to aluminum scrap refinement using less than 1000 crude oil via the "Sloppy+Electrode" combo with HOR+coke. Which was tied for best efficiency withy the sulfur heavy path.

[frosty raven]

How do you figure? Solid Steel is a direct upgrade to regular steel production. The material efficiency is increased and the per-ingot energy cost of turning ore into ingots is the same between the two recipes (the cost of smelting iron is offset by less time spent running the foundry per ingot. it's actually a little little cheaper in practice because less energy is spent on mining ore). Less material, less energy, higher speeds. What's to complain about?

[wind spade]

direct upgrade tradeoff

[sudden sluice]

it says 21 but i went there and i didnt see them lol

[frosty raven]

No tradeoff. The only cost is a bigger footprint.

[wind spade]

which is a tradeoff

as well as more complexity

[main thicket]

maybe hidden behind a rock or smth?

[frosty raven]

I'll have to measure out how the area compares for any given number of steel ingots per minute, I guess. Higher speeds does mean less foundries, so the footprint increase may not be too bad

Still, I'm of the opinion that complexity of design and size of factories are one-time costs that don't deserve much weight compared to ongoing costs

[ashen girder]

Refineries are also really expensive powerwise.

[frosty raven]

This is the meta channel, where factories are abstract things that the player hasn't looked at in a dozen hours

[ashen girder]

Oh, wait, are they cheaper now? 😂

Am I dumb? 🙃

Refineries at 30 MW vs Foundries are 16 MW, fair enough.

T9 Stuff has rotted my brain. 🤣

[wind spade]

that's your opinion and it's perfectly valid opinion

but it's not enough to remove complexity from analysis completely for all people.

[ashen girder]

Also you need two refineries for this. And an oil extractor. vs a miner.

[glass jolt]

I'm trying to run 2 miners and 5 constructors off a biomass burner. consum is 26.2 MW with 4 constructors and 2 miners, circuit trips when i try to turn on a 5th constructor. Is this a bug or expected?

[wind spade]

@sweet ocean see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[ashen girder]

Also, Power being a pretty important ongoing cost.

[kind prairie]

Anyone have experience with large smelting arrays and shipping the bars/ingots off to another area for processing? Last time I played, I was smelting on-site for each factory, but after Factorio, I'm curious how it might work out in Satisfactory.

[deft lichen]

sounds correct? should be producing 30 MW, and a constructor takes 4 MW if not overclocked

[wind spade]

in SF you genreally don't centralise production

you make things in place where they are needed (ideally near nodes)

[kind prairie]

Yeah, that's how it went on my last play-through. Thanks for confirming.

[frosty raven]

Exactly. Power consumption for Solid Steel is cheaper per-ingot than the standard recipe

[glass jolt]

yeah its not overclocked. So the power demand is greater than expected, as the interface would indicate.

[wind spade]

it's pretty much equal, assuming base recipes

depends on miners to make or break

[glass jolt]

@deft lichen wait, it looks like there's a phantom .8 MW power consumption O.o
this wouldn't happen to be because I'm doing this in a certain quartz cave, is it?

[wind spade]

do you have idle machines?

[glass jolt]

I put them all on standby

[frosty raven]

The cost of the foundry vs the smelter + foundry is the same, but since Solid Steel asks for less ore it spends less energy on mining

[glass jolt]

do they draw power even when toggled off?

if so, that could explain it...

[ashen girder]

They do, yeah.

[glass jolt]

TIL! thank you

[ashen girder]

Take note as idling buildings constantly consume 0.1 MW while not completing any crafting cycles.
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Units

This one's probably better:

Each building in standby mode (whether the pioneer flipped the standby switch, or if the building is not functioning due to a logistic issue) consumes 0.1 MW.
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Power#Power_consumers

[glass jolt]

disconnected a constructor I had on idle and now the 30MW are being happily consumed

[vast jungle]

You need a blender for the nice fuel loop anyways 😉

[cloud pollen]

hi guys, do you know if there is any site/app that will tell me how much of an X item I can produce based on the Y item input? e.g. I got 240 iron ore input per minute and I would like to know how much of a modular frames and rotors I could produce out of that.
I know that with satitsfactory calculator I can sort of do that by adding input, but then I have to tweak around with numbers of output items to get it right

[stone shadow]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com i think

got lots of good tools

[cloud pollen]

as I said, I know of it, and I can sort of do that, but I still need to tweak numbers around in order to match my input. It works, but with more complex items getting everything right might be a bit complex, so I was wondering if there is any way I could do that automatically

unless im doing something wrong

[stone shadow]

oh my bad i missed that

[wind spade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/ also works

[main atlas]

why are doggos giving me recipes to make nuclear reactors when im not even close to them jersus christ

[cloud pollen]

well, it works the same as satisfactory calculator, gotta play around with number of output items, doesnt calculate it automatically based on the input numbers unfortunately

[wind spade]

wdym "doesn't calculate based on input numbers"?

[cloud pollen]

what i mean is, like from my example, I'm adding the input of e.g. 240 iron ore, and in output i'm adding rotors and modular frames, and the app would calculate how much of both of these items I could produce based on the input 240 iron ore. satisfactorytools does it for the first item I add, but when I'm adding 2nd item it exceeds the 240 limit

[deft lichen]

you have to set a limit of 240 ore

and then select maximize, not items/min

[cloud pollen]

right, didnt see the maximize dropdown menu

im dumb, tyvm!

[hybrid granite]

It'd be nice if there was the option of maximize using recipe amounts instead of just pure maximize
I would want to have as many whole numbers as possible but maximize just goes for squeezing as many parts/min with no regards for clock speed

Sometimes I don't want to make 0.6212 of a machine lol

[south forge]

Wouldn’t you be able to round down then?

[cloud pollen]

another question tho, if its says e.g. 5.855 constructors, does it mean i gotta build 6 but underclock the 6th one to .855 clock speed?

[rain owl]

ugh so, im blanking out of this for no reason but i think like 1.0 changed the math and either i got dumb over the years waiting for this release or something isnt clicking in, lets say my next step in my factory is to make modular frames and lets say i have X desposits that give me 300 iron ore per minute that i wish to allocate for this task, how do i figure out how many modular frames can i make AT MOST with the input of 300 ore?
I feel like this was easier earlier, or i didn't care for perfect ratios but all of the calculators i see online are literally backwards, how many items you want per minute and it tells you the resource, what, how is that working

[amber jacinth]

Or overclock the 5th, yes

[cloud pollen]

gotcha, ty

[cloud pollen]

exactly the question i asked above, on https://www.satisfactorytools.com/ you can set the limit of input items (in your case 300 ore) and then in the production tab, set the output item to "maximize" not to items/minute

[rain owl]

thank you

[wind spade]

(also, heavily recommend to change from maximise to items/min once you know the max)

@heavy flicker see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[cloud pollen]

for any particular reason?

[wind spade]

maximise just picks whatever leads to max possible output
items/min optimise for raw resource consumption

so if there's multiple ways to reach the max output, items/min would pick you the most resource optimal one, while maximise just picks a "random" one

[sudden sluice]

all of this walk for nothing

[ember isle]

I love Somersloops so much....

[feral breach]

Any super secret source of mycelium near/at grassplains?

[ember isle]

Look in caves. You can chainsaw the big blue mushrooms.

And pluck the small ones by hand.

[kind prairie]

Tons of it west towards Blue Crater.

[arctic knot]

Quick question, i am using this setup for coal generators and the wiki said it should run but why are the last 2 generators not running at 100% effiency? The Extractors run at 100% all pipes get water, flushed the networks once to see if that makes a difference but it doesnt 😦

[ember isle]

That only works with T2 pipes. T1 pipes have a max flow of 300, and 3 pumps produces 360

Personally, I just keep it simple (if a bit inefficient) and overclock 1 pump at 150% (180/m) feeding 4 coal gens.

[heavy flicker]

alr

i think 1 is very good

am i right

[wind spade]

the point was to check that message

which gives you the info about how to choose alt recipe

[ember isle]

Ideally, you want to avoid screws using alt recipes the long run, but in the short term it's nice.

[heavy flicker]

oh

[ashen girder]

Basic Iron one of the new. I'm curious about those guys.

[wind spade]

nah, avoiding screws is no longer the case

[ashen girder]

Trading 50% ore for limestone is intriguing.

[heavy flicker]

still i dont think 2 is a good option

i mean look at those rates 5 for 260

[ember isle]

I'm generally not a fan of any recipe that adds extra ingredients. Replaces, fine. But adds? Not my preference.

[ashen girder]

5 steel beam. Steel beams are incredibly slow to make.

[heavy flicker]

same

[wind spade]

there's no good or bad recipe

just pick whatever you want 🙂

[heavy flicker]

this is like 780 screws

[grand osprey]

hello! I need to split some iron into a 1 to 3 balancer (i think that's what its called)
How do you make that with splitters? For reference, it's 45 p/m to one line, and 135 p/m to the other

[ember isle]

Please elaborate?

[heavy flicker]

true but ill avoid space

[ashen girder]

The amount of iron being made there can produce 640 screws without any coal.

[heavy flicker]

have you heard of solid steel

[ashen girder]

..yes?

[wind spade]

there's no reason to "avoid screws"

most people say that because of one of two reasons:

• it was a meta back in Update 2 where all the screw recipes were REALLY bad (none of those are in the game anymore)
• they have problems dealing with screws because they try to put them all on one belt (which they shouldn't, that's what the screws are supposed to teach)

[heavy flicker]

40 iron bars = 60 steel right

[ember isle]

Perhaps that is true, but for my purposes simplicity > efficiency. If I can avoid running multiple belts for an item, I will, even if it isn't truly optimal.

And I hate the absurd volumes of screws almost as much as I hate Refineries and the game's fluid dynamics.

[wind spade]

that's why screws are recommended to be built directly in front of the consumer. Most recipes fit nicely in 1:1 or 2:1 ratios, or can be clocked for such

[livid meteor]

What is the advantage to use the alt recipe Turbo Heavy Fuel?

[heavy flicker]

also i just did some quick maths may not be acurrate but its about 4 times more effecient

[ember isle]

Eh, I'll keep avoiding them. They're a PITA, and make things messy. No thanks.

[livid meteor]

Is it energy, space? bceuase I doubt it's resource efficiency

[heavy flicker]

without coal

[wind spade]

They're a PITA, and make things messy.
only if you deal with them wrong

I mean you can do whatever you want ofc, but I don't like people spreading their opinions as meta 🙂

[ember isle]

Back at you.

There's like 20 different metas out there, depending on taste, style, focus, etc.

And I think screws are still best avoided.

[wind spade]

that's not meta, that's playstyle
meta is "the generally 'best' way to play the game"

[ember isle]

Which doesn't exist.

[heavy flicker]

also i just realized you can make rotors stators and sam fluctuators with just steel pipes and wire

[ember isle]

Playstyle defines the best way to play the game.

[wind spade]

indeed, so telling people "screws should be ignored" is kinda bad

[ashen girder]

I'm confused.. I thought there weren't best alt recipes..

[heavy flicker]

for the person whos playing it

[ember isle]

Exactly. So saying there is an objective 'best' way to play the game is nonsensical.

[ashen girder]

Yeah, see, I'm in camp "get rid of steel beams" personally, instead of screws. You can build HMFs and EIBs with pipes too.

[wind spade]

which I'm not saying

[heavy flicker]

ik

[ashen girder]

Good talk. 😂

[heavy flicker]

but there is sure one for every one

[heavy flicker]

lets take josh for example he likes the chaos

[wind spade]

yeah that's the definition of the word

[heavy flicker]

i would say more popular

[wind spade]

quotes around the best

[ember isle]

'Best' isn't a good term to use in relation to 'meta'. A better term is 'optimal'.

[heavy flicker]

oh shit

my screen

its flashing

wth

i thought i was gonna crash fr

hes typing menecingly

WHAT

HE STOPPED

[dark aurora]

does anyone feel like the fuel gen change makes no sense at all?

[heavy flicker]

eh they added like 2 new fuels

ofc

it makes sence

[wind spade]

not really, why do you think so?

[ember isle]

And with regards to optimal, there are three major types (taking a page from Zachtronics' games histograms): Speed, Efficiency, and Space. I generally prioritize Space, so therefore I consider avoiding screws to be optimal.

[wind spade]

most space-saving builds include screws

[dark aurora]

they changed power gen from 150 to 250 (+66%) and fuel req from 12 to 20 m3/min (+66%)

which makes absolutely no sense to me

[wind spade]

yeah, so you can build less gens to make same power out of same fuel

[ashen girder]

They felt bad for people building 132 fuel generator power plants.

[heavy flicker]

funny thing i stopped playing satisfactory for a few month cuz i was to demotivated to do progress on my max effiencie power plant (2100 uranium btw)

then i heard about the toilet flush update

and didnt play untill then

also theres this part like in the middle of steel that i love not to complex but not too simple ya know

[heavy flicker]

i LOVE that tbh

should i show yall my pre 1.0 powerplant

[wind spade]

I've actually pretty much predicted that change in my thread about power a year or so back 🙂 though a few of the other things didn't happen so idk

[heavy flicker]

wow

[wind spade]

see #1184600832881201182 message , point 2.A

[heavy flicker]

also they should ad memer role or + few hundred houndred hours gang like + 500 hours or +5000

i have like 600+ hours

[wind spade]

I have like 50 hours 🤷‍♂️ don't want a role for it anyway

[heavy flicker]

since when do you speak dutch bro

[wind spade]

I don't?

[heavy flicker]

for some one who i see a lot on the discord has only 50 hours lol

dutch word for unknow

[heavy flicker]

also what does it mean

[wind spade]

and where did I write this?

[heavy flicker]

wait

[wind spade]

that was from a discussion about changes that we'd like to see with power

[ashen girder]

😂 The thread name shows up as unknown until you click into it.

So it's just your client speaking dutch at you.

[heavy flicker]

yea my settings are opn dutch so im pretty sure it didnt go trhough

[ashen girder]

You can click it.

[heavy flicker]

oh

lol

also wanna see my pre 1.0 fuel powerplant +50 000 megawats

[hallow beacon]

I know it's a long shot but anybody can recall any hard drive that has steel pipes? For SAM shenanigans

[scenic pond]

when you need it to be using 80 per minute, but the game just won't let you. haha

[heavy flicker]

YESNT

[wind spade]

some numbers are impossible to achieve

[ashen girder]

You won't get Iron Pipes until you've unlocked Steel Pipes in the HUB.

[heavy flicker]

sorry caps but like 20 40 steel for 5 15 pipes or some thing

[scenic pond]

i know, and i find it annoying. haha

[hallow beacon]

no ok I mean, some hard drive crash sites

that have steel pipes

[ashen girder]

Ooooh. Sorry, misunderstood.

[heavy flicker]

oh yoea totaly possible

[ashen girder]

Yeah, they definitely some do. If you're of the inclination, you can upload your save to SCIM and it can show you everything on the ground everywhere.

Edit: this only works for things you've been nearish to.

[wind spade]

what is the recipe anyway?

[heavy flicker]

i got my weird mercer thingy pre elevator cuz that

[scenic pond]

residual fuel

[heavy flicker]

idk like the waste one where you do oil

to "trash"

[sudden sluice]

what are the rates of a coal powered gen

[heavy flicker]

oh

[stone shadow]

45 water 15 coal, 75 MW

[sudden sluice]

ty

[wind spade]

set it to 125% then. 80 input

[heavy flicker]

you can see taht by clicking on fuel sources

[hallow beacon]

does it? Or does it only show the items on the ground that you have actually seen?

[ashen girder]

It shows all of them.

[scenic pond]

125% is 75 input

[wind spade]

oh mb, had wrong numbers

[scenic pond]

yeah, 133.325% is as close as I can get to 80 without going over. haha

[wind spade]

then yeah, it's impossible 🙂 closest you can get is 133.3333%, which is 79.99998/min

[clever marsh]

has anyone else run into issues where the sound mixing is broken with 5.1?

on my setup music and the chainsaw sounds don't play correctly

[hallow beacon]

doesn't seem to be working for me. Like, if I toggle "Show dropped items" I only see stuff I passed by

[ashen girder]

You know what, that's actually really fair. Mine just looks like it's the whole map because I've done a couple loops.

But there's large areas that don't have any where there should be.

[hallow beacon]

ok so actually finding steel pipes will be a major challenge probably

[ashen girder]

Not as bad as you'd think, actually. The tier of the items around the dropsites go up as you move away from the starter biomes.

So if you go to the Oil-heavy areas, dropsites near those will usually have T5/6 stuff.

[hallow beacon]

I'm at the gigantic spire with the pure SAM node

just placed my portable miners there

[heavy flicker]

oh i knwo that one

[ashen girder]

Go W/NW up the coast. There's probably some steel pipes thataway.

[hallow beacon]

ok so I checked the hard drive in the lake, no pipes. The hard drive by the beach in front of the oil islands, no pipes

[heavy flicker]

skipping parachute skipping coal

[hallow beacon]

I found some steel beams but no pipes

[ashen girder]

Yeah, you're in the right area then. Keep looking.

[harsh mason]

I found about 80 gas nobelisks at a drop site. Good for around 18 tickets when I sunk them

[heavy flicker]

also heres a nice way to say friend in ficsonium language

$l@v=

[hallow beacon]

ok found the pipes

[sudden sluice]

okay i need 9.6 maxed coal burners, each one needs 113 water /min, but the pipe can only move 300, so really i can only feed 2 maxed burners and get water left, what is the best way to use that leftover water? or should i just dont use it

[heavy flicker]

guys lets make ficsonium a connon language lol

underclock ig

[unique tree]

Is the Solid Steel Ingot alt recipe better than the default one for steel ingots?

[ashen girder]

Depends on your priorities. I like it.

[tame harbor]

yes

[quartz loom]

any of these an obvious S tier I should claim immediatly or any obvious shitty ones I should reroll instantly?

coke steel is pretty good right?

[ashen girder]

DPF is one of the best in the game.

[quartz loom]

even though its the packaged variant?

[ashen girder]

You got blenders?

[analog frigate]

how do I use valves? it's just for closing a pipeline?

[quartz loom]

not sure xD i havent completed phase 3 yet so im tier 5-6, if its within those I can unlock it

[ashen girder]

I think it's T7. So yeah. Diluted Fuel is slightly better than Diluted Packaged, but you can't unlock Diluted right now. 😂

And they otherwise have the same numbers as far as I'm aware. DPF is slightly worse because of the packagers, but otherwise works great.

[quartz loom]

gotcha, thanks

[tame harbor]

and for sadi pacakgers, you can just turn the polymer resin from the fuel recipe into plastic and into empty canisters, and maybe add a sink to keep it from backing up

[ashen girder]

Honestly, you shouldn't actually need to add canisters to it once you've got it running since you're just packaging and unpackaging them.

[quartz loom]

thats true lol, didnt think about it that way

[ashen girder]

But yeah, I usually siphon some off for actual packaged fuel.

[grand osprey]

I don't know if this is the tab for it, but I'm trying to use Satisfactory Tools' calculator for alt recipes, and it.....isn't using the alt recipe I want, and only selecting the alt recipe doesn't let it calculate
In this case it's Bolted Iron Plate

[ashen girder]

You have to unselect the recipes you don't want it to use. It tries to optimize it.

[grand osprey]

oh, I see now, thank you!

[magic island]

yes, it straight-up saves on iron and coal right out of the gate, and can synergize with iron ingot alts to save even more

[tame harbor]

which wil likely not wind up stacking too high thanks to stack limits on DD nowadays

[quartz loom]

this might be a bit overkill..? XD My current power capacity is 1950mw, this would produce 16,666.66MW lmao

should I do it anyways just to future proof a bit or is it unnecessary?

current power use as well lmao

[grim tartan]

Hey I got a question, with using steel rod recipe instead of regular recipe, which recipe is more efficient to use for modular frames, the regular modular frame or the steeled frame one

Heres pictures of the recipes for quick maneuvering

[pseudo moth]

yo @wind spade do you think it would be interesting to disable by default the recipes involving resource conversion on satisfactory tools?

i know it is pretty easy to uncheck them in the "recipes" tab, and they are technically base recipes, but i feel like a newcomer to the game and the calculator might get confused

[wind spade]

you can disable SAM if you don't want to deal with them

or if you are dealing with SAM and just don't want convertor recipes, search ( in the recipe list and they'll pop out

but yeah I'm working on some more permanent solutions

[pseudo moth]

nice!

[bronze kestrel]

Can i have a double check on my lay-lout and math please, i'm not that good at pipe's.. 900 crude oil coming in as 3x300. Producing 600 plastic a minute. And 300 heavy oil resideu in to 5 refiners, creating 200 feul. Thanks in advance!

Also wonder where the purple pipes connect, if i wont have fluid going the wrong way?

Or does the game.. just know ?

[shy knot]

that looks nice

[bronze kestrel]

Thanks, i'm just scared the fluid systems fuck me up. I have a rough past with them 🥲

They are like a bad ex

[white bloom]

managed to update my solver for the 1.0 recipes, nodes etc. and got a new global optimal plan for maxing out awesome points with the map resources - except that Somersloop features (APA) are not accounted for yet. Anyways, without using Somersloops, the new sustainable optimum (barring any typos parsing the recipes) is 296.6 million points per minute. I will post the detailed production plan formatted to reddit later

[random creek]

They work like belts minus they have splash back. If You wanna avoid that you can just make sure to feed from.the manifold above the input. That way gravity won't affect it because the only place it can go is down into the machine

[hollow wave]

given the number of mercer spheres on the map, what's the max number of fully upgraded ||dimensional depots||?
it's not on the wiki MAM page yet

[bronze kestrel]

So the "splash-back" could ruin my purple pipes towards the 5 refiners for the 200 feul on the left ?

[random creek]

If they stay on the same level I doubt it. You really only have to consider it when going vertical in a way that requires pumps

[calm mauve]

maths checks out

[bronze kestrel]

Thanks

[bronze kestrel]

Allright. They are all the same level

[calm mauve]

now with bonus fuel math.

[random creek]

I would've loved to feed my previous fuel plant setup from below for aesthetics but it just refused to flow properly until i did that

[bronze kestrel]

Just realise i don't have the building to burn the feul into power not unlocked yet ...

[random creek]

Just build a buffer and flush it when it gets full. Unfortunate side effect.

Or you can package it with some of the plastic being made and sink it

[calm mauve]

yeah id package some and sink the rest until later

[hollow wave]

found my answer with satisfactorytools, it's ||201|| if you use 3 of them for ||manual upload|| and ||204|| otherwise

[bronze kestrel]

Thanks for reminding me of sinking, just bought myself some plastic and rubber. unlocked 🙂

[quick gorge]

That sounds about right yeah

[ashen girder]

Don't sleep on manual upload. It effectively gives you five more inventory slots.

[hollow wave]

i'm not quite there yet since i literally just manually crafted enough materials to build the first ||depot|| using steel pipe scrounged from crash sites, but i definitely won't!

[analog frigate]

using powershards on miners increases output?

[hollow wave]

yeah it's by far the best use of power shards

[analog frigate]

thanks

[hollow wave]

miners are the only thing where you can't build more buildings to get the same effect

[analog frigate]

will use it for oil for the oil power factory

agree

btw, this feels like cheating

double power shards

[hollow wave]

it's in the game in 1.0

probably intentional lol

[analog frigate]

awesome

[wind spade]

eh, you have a way to make infinite shards anyway so it doesn't matter much

[analog frigate]

is that very endgame?

[hollow wave]

t9 yeah

double shards is a lifesaver early-game though

[wind spade]

one of the ways yes
other way is taming doggos and getting infinite slugs

[analog frigate]

doggos are like on specific areas

so I just need to feed them once and then do the doggo route?

[hollow wave]

that's infinite but it's also manual and takes quite a while

probably faster to object-scan for slugs and double-craft shards

[uneven wave]

Anyone using drones?

[clever marsh]

going to be awhile before I get there, but might use them eventually for certain low volume high value items

[uneven wave]

Yeah just trying to figure out how to use them

[ancient oriole]

Back in the day, people made a battery factory to fuel their drone needs. Its still the best option, but you can use different fuels now.

[uneven wave]

Yeah I have batteries and a couple ports. I am assuming I need a port for each new item I need transported.

[clever marsh]

what are the best items to get first in the AWESOME shop?

[wind spade]

given pretty much all of them are just cosmetics or small QOL things, there's really no "best" and you can get whatever you feel like you want

the game is also completely beatable without getting anything, so don't worry about that

[ashen girder]

Ladder, floor holes, concrete foundation, wall power plugs.

[torpid gorge]

Aesthetically, i felt stuff that allowed belt placement in different ways was my priority

[tame harbor]

plastic AI limiter, yay or nay?

[torpid gorge]

And yea power plugs lol

[wind spade]

do you want to make AI limiters from plastic?

you save a bit on quickwire and replace copper sheets with plsatic, is that something you're interested about?

[tame harbor]

eh wth might as well

[fierce ruin]

what is the site please i need this

[calm mauve]

this is Greeny's calc site. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[median void]

Question. The Satisfactory wiki says a single miner can disable enemy respawns, is that still the case if the miner is unpowered?

[calm mauve]

needs to be powered

[median void]

Ah, damn

Is a burner generator that backlogs the miner fully and therefore doesn't consume power enough?

[dim nova]

where are the keybind configs saved? im trying to sync between devices

[chrome orchid]

i do wonder if doggos will be able to find mercer spheres and somersloop 🤔

[dim nova]

C:\Users\[USERNAME]\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\Config\Windows\GameUserSettings.ini found it

[livid meteor]

Yo guys, when I have only 1 Iron node, what's the most resource efficient way to make steel?

Compacted Steel ingot or pure iron ingots -> somehow turning it into steel?

I think pure iron ingots -> solid steel is the best

[chrome orchid]

its the best ratio if you only got 1 iron node

[livid meteor]

that's my case

[sudden sluice]

guys can someone help me, 360 coal/25 coal gens, each one consumes 15 coal at base level, i overclocked it so it consumes 37.5, but that is 9.6 gens, what is the overclock i should put on the last one

[uneven wave]

Crafting menu cuts my Fps in half everytime. constant while open

[calm mauve]

i make it out as 1.5 for the last one. .6 of max overclock 2.5 = 1.5

[warm wren]

Does it take some great length of time for large numbers of fuel gens to get "going" 🤔 I'm producing 585 turbo fuel, far more than enough to run 100 generators, but I see a lot of red lights. The flow rate to the pipe coming up from the mixers is a steady 600, so it's not a problem with pump lift either, but just in case I checked that and it's well below the max lift thresh hold...

[sudden sluice]

thanks

[calm mauve]

when running mk2 pips at close to capacity for a large number of gens your probavly running into fluid flow back. you need to loop the system like this pic but even then it can be tuff to get it going.

[wind spade]

when running any pipes tbh

[ancient oriole]

Or a different solution. Just let the fuel gens, get filled before connecting them with a power line.

[sudden sluice]

does SAM ore work for anything else than reanimated sam

WHY

[sand canopy]

how many iron ore deposits do people typically use, I'm assuming more than just 4

[clever marsh]

in the early game?

also depends on purity

[drowsy hemlock]

Can someone help me do some math? I have 8 constructors making iron rods with one under clocked to 50%. I need to split it so I have 50 items/min going straight to 3 assemblers with one under clocked to 50% speed and then 62.5 items/min going into 7 constructors making screws. Basically what I'm asking is how many constructors do I have going straight to the assemblers and how many do I have going to making screws

[calm mauve]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production can do the math for yo

[drowsy hemlock]

That's what I'm using

[warm wren]

Pfft... The solution was simple... I just didn't know fuel gens had changed in 1.0... 585 is not in fact enough to run 100 of them, but 75 of them, their rate is now 7.5 instead of 4.5

[drowsy hemlock]

My brain is struggling to figure out how many constructors would add up to the values I need

[calm mauve]

if the calc says something like 8.5 constructors. that really means 850%. so as long as the over/under clocking adds up to 850 its good

[drowsy hemlock]

Huh?

That's...not what I'm asking

I have 8 constructors with one under clocked to 50%. I need 50 items/min going one way and 62.5 items/min going another. I'm struggling to figure out how many constructors would be producing 50 items/min

[calm mauve]

the calc can work it all out for you. tell it how many rods and screws you want and it will tell you the intemediate numbers

[drowsy hemlock]

This is what I have (pic taken from phone cause my laptop isn't able to be connected to Internet rn)

Am I simply overcomplicating things?

[calm mauve]

i see. i would just manifold the rod output as its less then your max belt size and just feed it into the next steps. no need to get fancy with load balancing

[drowsy hemlock]

I just realized that I have to change everything cause I currently only have mk.2 belts and the amount of screws Id be producing would overwhelm them

[wind spade]

you can just use manifold

[wind spade]

you can have them on more belts

[vapid gorge]

like people have said

Use manifolds

as for the screws just break the manifold into sections with 3 belts of screws

[drowsy hemlock]

Eh, I'd rather just lower the amount I produce just so I don't have to do anything extra. I'm aware that I'll probably have to bother with it at some point. But that's a problem for future me to deal with

...or maybe I will bother since even at 5 rotors/min I still need 125 screws/min lol

[wind spade]

but you don't need them on one belt

[drowsy hemlock]

Yeah I know

I was going to just not bother but I don't wanna lower the amount of rotors I'm making even more lol

[wind spade]

you don't have to

[vapid gorge]

your descision making process is hurting my brain

[drowsy hemlock]

Yes I know. That's what I'm saying. As I said I wasn't going to bother with splitting them across multiple belts but with how few rotors Id have to make in order to not split the screws across multiple belts it wouldnt be worth it to have them only on one belt because I only have mk2 belts

[drowsy hemlock]

I'm not the brightest with these things

[vapid gorge]

It's more you're beign given options to do the thing you want and then say 'I don't want to change things up' xD

[drowsy hemlock]

Yeah basically. I'm just being stupidly lazy and by doing so I just make things harder for myself

Although now I have to rebuild everything cause I deconstructed all of it thinking I could just make it "easier" for myself

[ebon pilot]

I just think it gets easier once you get mk3 belts going. Your passive income becomes smoother and your stuff-to-use can be available once you set them up

That way you won't have to be like my old days, bashing stuff using crafting bench whenever you need to build something

[fossil flare]

is there a hd alt recipie tier list that is updated for 1.0?

[ebon pilot]

The wiki isn't updated on that front.

But you can visit the individual alts in the parts pages.

[vapid gorge]

considering previous 'tier lists' were garbage, no - on the wiki there's excellent comparisons of when to use which recipes and how

[clever marsh]

the level 3 hogs really need to chill out

see them from 100 meters away and they hunt me down until I'm dead including following me up ramps and around corners for hundreds of meters

there's one in the north canyon guarding the crash site and it's killed me so many times the couple times I've accidentally fallen into the canyon while I'm trying to get back out and then trying to get my stuff back

[loud yarrow]

40 computers per min done

[sand finch]

Is there a spreadsheet somewhere that has every requirement and generation of every building?

mainly just looking for an index, not a full calculator

[calm mauve]

the wiki

[dawn lark]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/codex/buildings

[sand finch]

am I able to export out this information? I would like as CSV or XLSX

[calm mauve]

i dont think u can export it but there isnt that many different buildings, wouldnt take long to enter it into excel

[amber jacinth]

The cliff ones?

[dawn lark]

Wait until he sees level 4

[amber jacinth]

I have two of those buggers hanging around my outermost miners… very annoying, considering I’m only on phase 2 atm.

[hallow beacon]

can you use somersloop on slugs?

[white bloom]

ayoo let's go #math-and-meta ! https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1fgbtdn/10_maximum_awesome_points_production_no/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[drowsy hemlock]

I'm one of the many people trying to update the wiki. Unfortunately I"m not that far into the game so it's slow.

[slate plaza]

This VERY small length of pipe is coming out of a refinery operating at 100% efficiency. I don't understand the fluctuations. I've always found fluid dynamics in this game frustrating. Can someone explain to me what might be happening here?

edit: there is no head lift. its coming straight out.

[vapid gorge]

Very small sections of pipes cancause issues. It’s good practice to rebuild pipe sections if building junctions on top

But without overhead shots I can’t comment really

[slate plaza]

its a 5 refinery manifold going to one pipe in the middle

the video is of the pipe coming out of the middle refinery to the cross.

my main problem im trying to solve is im getting 100% out of all 5 of these refinery's but its not getting to the 16 generators

[vapid gorge]

you often need to loop the pipe manifolds on the input

like so

feed the fuel at the top of the loop and feed the fuel gens from junctions at the bottom

make sure to flood the WHOLE system before running the generators at 100%

[slate plaza]

This is helpful I’ll give it a go tomorrow

[hollow plank]

bro might be cooked in the late game. but you just gotta do a merger in front of the middle one and a splitter on the sides, then merge half of the constructors into one belt and the same with the other, then put them into the splitters which split into the merger and assembler

[hollow plank]

the uranium ones go crazy

[hollow plank]

this is the same scale as my space elevator stage 3 parts lol i'm making 30 framework and 6 of the other 2

[rose coral]

Make water tower, send water down to factory. Full flow full lift no worries

[drowsy hemlock]

I understood none of what you just said.

I'm basically just figuring things out as I go. I ain't a pro at the game. I"m sure it'll start making sense as I play.

[rose coral]

Bro if at end game i dont get to explore space elevator thing on top am gonna riot

[hallow beacon]

how many slots does the dimensional depot have when you first unlock it?

[dawn lark]

1 stack

[hallow beacon]

ok but how many items

[dawn lark]

all of them

[hallow beacon]

what

[dawn lark]

1 stack of whatever you put in it

[hallow beacon]

oh my god

I didn't realize

it's insane

[dawn lark]

Yeah, get the self upload upgrade and you can stash your sloops, spheres, berries, etc

You can have it feed you infinite nobelisks and jetpack fuel and ammo

[hallow beacon]

I'm gonna do it now. I just went into tier 2, unlocked iron pipes

I'm gonna unlock everything

before I even get coal

[true cliff]

somereason this isn't working for me

[dawn lark]

When I did my first coal plant I dropped 40 water extractors without using any of my inventory

[true cliff]

like am i tripping did i set the stabilising loop wrong theres 2 that are at 66% and its been running for hours

[dawn lark]

Well you're only using mk1, doesnt need stabilizing that much I suspect, how much water is going into it? How many "source pipes" are going into the loop?

[true cliff]

1 source pipe with 3 extractors, i thought the ratio was 3 extractors to 8? had whole convo where 300 flow rate works cause with this loop each takes 45 water

[dawn lark]

Annnnnd how much water is that?

[true cliff]

if ur gonna say its cause its giving 300/m i was apparently wrong cause flow rate doesn't dictate how much water can be in the pipe to supply @wind spade excuse ma ping but it driving me insane

@oblique hollow

[dawn lark]

8 coal gens is 360/m, you need two pipes into the loop

[dawn lark]

Yeah, one is 120, the other is 240, you have a single 300 rn

[true cliff]

but ppl say otherwise cause of some math ting and how i can stabilise it with 1 pipe no

[dawn lark]

Stabilizing doesnt magically increase the flow rate

[calm mauve]

you can do one pipe like this

[dawn lark]

It makes the flow rate more consistent across all the machines

[true cliff]

read that im supposed to fill the loop too, is that the issue

[dawn lark]

sure, filling the loop doesnt mean one pipe in

note that while the setup uses a single pipe running across all the machines, the input into the system always has 2 or more inputs, marked in blue

[true cliff]

hb this then

[dawn lark]

That isnt coal generators, so sure, you can use the loop, but it still needs 2 inputs

[calm mauve]

loop is only really needed for big builds. the 8:3 coal setup is small enough to be ok without it

[true cliff]

it ugly with two grr

[dawn lark]

Yeah it's for very high throughput near the cap of a mk2 pipe

[true cliff]

does mk2 pipe just solve the whole thing with small setup like this

[dawn lark]

To some extent, unless you max out the mk2 pipe

But for this specific amount of water, yes

[true cliff]

grr ok

[dawn lark]

Is you're using this many generators with mk1 pipes, 2 pipes is mandatory no matter what technique you're using

[hallow beacon]

ok I unlocked the manual depot uploader. It feels like cheat codes lol

can't stress how crazy this is, especially this early in the game

[dawn lark]

Yup, then get the speed up to the point it can handle a full mk1 belt

If you're using a huge amount of a single item, like concrete you can just use multiple depots

the items per minute limit is only per input, not per item type

[hallow beacon]

will get to that eventually, right now I think I'll speedrun the jetpack to go collect hard drives

this is going to make collecting hard drives extremely fast

[dawn lark]

I'm doing a no alts run, so I went all in on mercers

Found most of them using blade runners and parachute, using the inclcine glitch sometimes, or just throwing down a concrete ramp

[pallid spoke]

2400MW Goal gen

[dawn lark]

As soon as you get steel you can automate nobelisks and have them fed in to have infinite supply out in the field to break any problem, that isnt radiation

[hallow beacon]

I have steel. Or to be more precise, iron pipes. No foundry yet

still it's enough to automate nobelisk

[chrome vale]

Have you made it to compact coal in that save yet? Because I see regular coal on the conveyors

[pallid spoke]

only reg

pretty ez tho

[chrome vale]

so easy even a noob could set it up, and believe me, I am a total noob and it was easy* for me

[pallid spoke]

believe me it is, im just working on other stuff rn x)

[true cliff]

Is there a coveyor wall x4?

or nah

[ashen girder]

Nope.

[true cliff]

rip

[deep geyser]

if you have an input of 120 into a splitter and an ouput of two belts, one being mk1 and the other mk2, what happens?

[river night]

both get 60

[deep geyser]

i see

so the output can't be manipulated by belt speed

[river night]

as long as the belts are not backlogged, it splits equally

[deep geyser]

gotcha

[harsh mason]

If you think you need to carefully control volumes at the splitters you might be wrong

It's all about having at least as much input as you have demand at any junction and waiting for the system to self balance

[vapid gorge]

It can

If you have a line of 270 split to a mk3 and mk1 you’d still only get 60 down the mk1

But in general the way to control flow is by the consumption of the product down a split

Which is why manifolds work everywhere

[polar sleet]

I still don't understand why some people don't take advantage of underclocking to get input/output values that are easier to divide amongst the next stage of consumers. like I set my water pumps to 90/min for coal power plants since that lets each pump supply exactly 2 plants. super stable, even if I merge 3 pump together for 6 plants.

[pallid spoke]

I underclock to have an even and symetrical factory. we are not the same x)

[polar sleet]

I suppose. similar, though; but, different.

[ashen girder]

Probably because copy-pasting settings is still broken for water extractors. 👀

[polar sleet]

lol, right.

[hollow wave]

I also do this because it makes the pumps use less total power anyway afaik

[ashen girder]

It does. Two running at 50% is less than 100% power.

[subtle silo]

how in the world am i supposed to build this i cant even concieve this

shit looks like a neural network

[dark lava]

wtf is that?

[subtle silo]

a crafting tree

[dark lava]

i mean what for lol

[subtle silo]

a factory meant to make nuclear pasta, and fuel rods

the final boss of this game is late game logistics bro

[amber jacinth]

@ashen girder @royal yacht I got around 102 MJ per ficsonium rod-- probably a little higher, I'd say around 110 for safety. I gave up after a decent chunk of time doing small calcs on stuff like half a constructor lol

[upper arrow]

im new to pipes (mostly played before they were added)
is this how i balance 5 water inputs into 2 to have equal output?

[ripe sundial]

how would i split 15 items from 3 machines into 5 machines needing 3 of the item each?

[deft gust]

Combine the outputs of your machines into a signle manifold, then use a 5 way load splitter

[ripe sundial]

whats that?

im pretty early into the game, im making a modular frame factory

[ripe sundial]

oh

thanks for that

[deft gust]

Your welcome

[frail stream]

howd you make that so fast lmao

[deft gust]

Image was taken off the net

[kind prairie]

How'd you get on the net so fast?

[frail stream]

true

[simple oracle]

i assume none of those water extractors are underclocked so that won't work, mk1 pipes can only handle 300m^3

you need to feed the pipe water from multiple spots

[ashen zealot]

They have 2 output pipes so mathwise it should work

[ashen zealot]

Probably works, go ahead and test it out

[true cliff]

how tall should logistic floors be?

or what do ppl lik to do, what thickness for the "floor" of the factory

[zealous vessel]

Anyone got a good satisfactory calculator?

And like factory designer aswell

[calm mauve]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[zealous vessel]

Thx man

[prime mist]

Question: If it states 15 per minute, does it mean 15 total

or 15 stacks of 3 aka 45/min?

[deft lichen]

15/min

[calm mauve]

15 individual items

[prime mist]

alright, thanks

[analog frigate]

help, need oil power factories design, so many byproducts...

[deft lichen]

!wikisearch Tutorial:Production+line

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Tutorial:Production+line

[deft lichen]

This image explains the UI

[prime mist]

ah good to know to ignore cycles and only look for production rate

thanks friend, was very helpfull

[autumn copper]

any good way to get two 90 lines from a 60 and a 120?

[calm mauve]

set the machine(s) so they use the correct amount

[idle ruin]

underclocking is the future old man

[wind spade]

Easiest is to have two groups of machines to consume 60 and 120 respectively

[prime mist]

ya know the time is hard when you pull a pen and paper to sketch the numbers and factory design

but hey, 15 reinforced iron plates/min with only 2.5 iron ingot/min excess rest 1:1 no overclocks

[wind spade]

Underclock so that you have no excess

[river night]

if you underclock the miner, is the excess just hidden in the deposit? 🤔 too much philosophy in the morning

[wind spade]

Until you have mk3 clocked to 250 on all nodes, you still have "excess"

[river night]

although sinking an extra ingot or two feels like overkill for the logistics

[wind scaffold]

so I got this on my first reroll, it's a really hard choice

[wind spade]

You yourself must choose 🙂

[analog frigate]

there's any limit or penalization after X amount of fright cars on a train?

[wind scaffold]

I think it uses more power

[wind spade]

Less speed

[wind scaffold]

and less braking

[analog frigate]

that could clog the entire logistic then

what amount of freight cars should I aim for per train? maximum

[wind scaffold]

3-5?

[wind spade]

You can add more engines to compensate

[analog frigate]

oh nice

so 3 cars per engine?

found on the wiki

[wind spade]

Depwnds on how fast you want your trains to accelerate really

[analog frigate]

reccomends 4

[prime mist]

T1 miner will be split in 2x15, cant really underclock a conveyor belt

[wind spade]

You can underclock the miner

[prime mist]

sounds more complicated to somehow make the conveyor splitter output 15 and 12.5

[wind spade]

One splitter

Don't need anything extra

[prime mist]

yeah but dont splitters do 50/50 so it will be 13.75 each

[wind spade]

And what happens if you send 13.75 to something that only needs 12.5?

[wind scaffold]

or keep at 100% and send the excess to AWESOME

for coupons

[prime mist]

the iron plates get insuficient iron. requires 135 which is 1xT2 and 0.5xT1

and I dont wanna overclock to avoid 2.5 iron excess : P

[wind scaffold]

[wind spade]

No, the 12.5 side will fill up, then the splitter will send excess to the 15 side, splitting it nicely

Aka it self-balances

[prime mist]

Oh, dandy

Now we can 100% lossless factory, OC less

[wind spade]

@spark flame there's no "good" or "bad" recipes, see #math-and-meta message

[white bloom]

rather it depends on the criterion. some are for convenience, some for efficiency, some to overcome local scarcity

[spark flame]

Thanks this is the message i needed to read !

[analog frigate]

if a train freight platform is full, do train still stops on it and tries to unload?

[river night]

yes, but it will just go back home sad

[spice minnow]

hi guys i'm a beginner, sorry for the dumb question but how do i use different water extractors for the same coal generator?

is it like the conveyor belts witha pipeline junction?

[slate spoke]

yeah

Have a short (ish) pipe come out of the coal generator, then put the junction, then connect your water extractors

What's the purity of the coal node? You might be able to get more out of it

[spice minnow]

the problem is i need only 15 m3 of water from 1 extractor every 4 coal generators

[spice minnow]

i have 4 near normal purity but one is blocked by a rock

[slate spoke]

right

[calm mauve]

each coal gen needs 45 water per min

[spice minnow]

yes so every 3 it's 135 and a water pump gets me 120

[slate spoke]

yeah

[spice minnow]

so i need 1 spare water pump and divide it in 8 parts and each one gives me the last 15?

[slate spoke]

you could underclock the second one

[calm mauve]

generaly peeps go 8 gens 3 extractors. spreading the extractors out along the 8 gens

[slate spoke]

or, overclock your miner and do that ^

assuming you're at 60 coal/min production

[spice minnow]

yes it's 60 coal/min

[slate spoke]

yeah, if you chuck 2 power shards in and crank it to 200%, you can run 8 coal generators, which should need 3 extractors total

[spice minnow]

so if i go for the 8 gen 3 extractors, how do i even the water amount for every gen?

[calm mauve]

pipes are bi-directional

[slate spoke]

one feeding into each end, then one feeding in in-between the 4th and 5th coal gen

[spice minnow]

i'm sorry i don't get it 😭

[calm mauve]

top pic

[spice minnow]

oh... it was easier than i thought

thx

[slate spoke]

dw, it does that a bit

steel screws worth it?

[wind spade]

depends on your definition of "worth it"

[slate spoke]

not rerolling, using in production

[wind spade]

same answer

[fierce ruin]

idkw hats going on

but my pipes aren't piping

[wind scaffold]

screenshot?

[fierce ruin]

bit hard

i'll try

this whole side

the gens just aren't getting water and everything is connected correct

the gen on the front is getting water but none past it

[sleek blaze]

You could do my design. Been using it for years and still works very well

plus its modular

[wind spade]

@dapper mural see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

@manic elm @ancient oriole ^ as well

[fierce ruin]

idk why or what but absolutely now water is getting from that bottom pipe to the gen

all connected up

[wind spade]

generally recommended to feed from above and let gravity help

[fierce ruin]

well it isn't being fed from above

[manic elm]

I like both! 😅

[ancient oriole]

I feed from the side, I guess thats the neutral choice, neither good, nor bad, but maybe slightly bad?

[wind spade]

my point wasn't to post here, but to read the message I've linked

[dapper mural]

oh

[manic elm]

oh

[wind spade]

click on the link to take you to a message that explains how to choose

[dapper mural]

didnt notice that sry 💀

[wind spade]

np

[fierce ruin]

thanks for the great advice

the whole right side is working

the problem isn't the way it is fed

[wind spade]

it's still fine. Even feeding from below can work. But in genreal, feeding from above leads to least issues

[fierce ruin]

water isn't flowing through floro holes

[upper arrow]

im using the side https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production to do the math for me for products and even tho i checked stiched iron plate (alt. recipe for reinforced iron plates) it doesnt use said recipe

[bronze kestrel]

So quickwire used to be from caterium resource nodes in 0.8 ? Right ? That doesn't work anyomore in 1.0 ? I'm confused

[wind scaffold]

guys I got a question, do resources from crash zones respawn? the ones on the ground not hard drives

[wind spade]

it picks "most resource efficient" route. You can disable the base recipe if you want to force something else

[fierce ruin]

no quick wire is still just caterium

[upper arrow]

i had the same thought and it said impossible to do

[bronze kestrel]

Hmmm, then the calcurator is fooling mee

[upper arrow]

nvm ignore what i said, after i unchecked baserecipe i accidently had stitched iron plate unchecked

[bronze kestrel]

Disabled SAM in the list and now its fine 🙂

[wind spade]

send share link for that

oh nvm

[manic elm]

No, at least they never did before 1.0. So I suppose they don't.

[wind scaffold]

I'm asking because I've seen them respawn before 1.0, wanted to know if they still do

[wind spade]

they never respawn, unless between major updates as map changed

[wind scaffold]

haven't played before update 8

[wind spade]

they never respawn then 🙂 may have been a bug or you forgetting to pick one 😛

[wind scaffold]

ahw man

[royal yacht]

So as others pointed out this only stabilises the ability to have one pipe across the coal generators, you will still need to feed the loop from two places, but that can be 2 gens on one and 1 on the other. No need to split a gen 50/50

[true cliff]

grr

so ugly now smh hmph

[short drum]

Turbo fuel generator what kind of consumption does it have?
Does anyone happen to know

[cinder silo]

I think it was 7.5 pm, used to be 4.5 back in early access but the generators power output was increased along with its fuel.

[short drum]

7,5 turbo fuell/min on 1.0 ?
ok thanks

then I don't have to walk across half the map xD

[cinder silo]

Also means my next fuel plant won't be a 1.1km by 1km monster.

[short drum]

750 turbo fuel in 100 generators, electricity is then less important xD

[analog frigate]

damn trains are kinda hard to learn, aren't they?

[short drum]

actually quite simple ^^

how many tracks did you plan?
1 there and 1 back?

[analog frigate]

no idea, on my previous plays I never went beyond single line train because adding another train seemed complicated

[short drum]

Are you building on the ground or on a plane in the air?

[analog frigate]

I'm trying to understand, but I don't know if I should go for one train per material, or I could use the 4 wagons for 4 materials, not sure how much space do I need to set the blocks, only for the train or need to acount for wagons too?

[analog frigate]

plane in air seems easier, not easy to do curves on train

[loud yarrow]

I just make temp factories for them now as sommersloops just make it too easy

[short drum]

You need a freight platform for each wagon.

For a train with 3 wagons, for example, you need the station and 3 freight platforms.

Don't forget to set each platform whether it should be loaded or unloaded.

[analog frigate]

yep, complicated even to explain

I'm asking about if I should use one train per material or pull 4 materials per train, as in a "what's better"

[short drum]

can I send you a Youtube-video via DM?

[analog frigate]

and the block size, I'm asking about signaling

yes, please, already saw some but they didn't answered those questions

[short drum]

depends, does the train go to a specific factory or warehouse?

[analog frigate]

train goes all around the map, collecting and dropping materials wherever are needed

maybe it's not what they are made for and I should only use them for moving things to a centralized warehouse?

and always supply with belts all required materials and craft all prerequisites on a single factory with no trains? I guess it will be better for perfect ratios

[short drum]

Unfortunately the video is in German, I don't know if you understand the language but it's actually well presented visually.

If the train delivers something to a certain factory, I would build a train with, for example, 3 wagons so that all the materials are delivered and a train that picks up the end product and takes it to the warehouse

[analog frigate]

maybe I should just train base materials to a single gigantic base, not sure if train bandwith would make that a good idea

no, I don't speak german

[wind spade]

yeah we usually don't recommend one big loop all over the map

[analog frigate]

shit it's happening again the same it happened every time I tried, reach trains, have no idea how to proceed, quit until next patch

game tabbed, trying to understand tutorials, spend a few hours like this, quit

[short drum]

I always had the train network built as a grid for the map

[analog frigate]

#satisfactory-experimental message lol

[wind spade]

ideally you should build it based on your logistical needs, not "randomly add rails to a map and hope they will be useful"

[short drum]

yes, I agree with you but we have had good experiences with it so far

[ancient oriole]

Think of it as driving a car on the road, you have your red & green signals. You have the right & left side of the road.
Block sizes should equal your biggest train that goes through that track.
Its typically recommended to do at most 1 train and 4 freight wagons. As that is the most, it can optimally pull.
If you wish to make it even bigger, you'd add 1 more train to it and then you can add up to 4 more freight wagons.

Block signals are used to ensure that no crashes occurs on a single track.
Path signals are used in situations, where multiple trains could potentially be crossing an area at the same time.
Path signals 'pre-orders' a block. Block signals prevents others from entering a block, if a train is even slightly in that block.
Typical examples of when Path Signals are used, are: Roundabouts, Cross-section, T-section, and you basically don't need more than those.

[wind spade]

typical example of what you shouldn't build with rails: roundabouts 🙂

[analog frigate]

why?

what's the alternative?

[wind spade]

normal junction

[analog frigate]

maybe I should get some blueprints

[muted tide]

Any1 that could pm me a good train video

From basics to advanced

[analog frigate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/12sqggv/train_network_tips_and_tricks/#:~:text=Always keep parallel rails one,going up 4m foundation ramps. here are a ton

[ancient oriole]

Overly complicated for no reason, better to build U-turns, but roundabouts are cool.

[wind spade]

U-turns are horrible

U-turn means that a train is going the wrong way in the first place - why is it going the wrong way?

[deft lichen]

roundabouts and U-turns are both poor planning

[analog frigate]

so, what you guys haul by train?

ores? crafted things? only final materials?

[wind spade]

raw ores to factories or final products to storage (if I have central storage)

[analog frigate]

that could simplify my problems

liquids too?

[ancient oriole]

They actually have a use in the form of planning. If you having something on the other side of your track, that you wish for your train to reach, but have no way for it to get there, other than for you to mess up your train track or for them to take the long way.

[wind spade]

if liquid is raw resource, then yes

[wind spade]

or build a bridge

[analog frigate]

and is troughput enough? I should make a big factory from the center and start hauling everything there

ores I mean

[wind spade]

no, make factory per item 🙂

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[analog frigate]

so this is the oposite of what you're doing hauling raw mats?

[ancient oriole]

Can also just have built a t-section while at it, right after a cross section. Will also have the same effect.

[wind spade]

no, I'm moving raw materials to the factory, if it doesn't have all nearby

[ancient oriole]

Ye, trains are great for moving raw materials.

[analog frigate]

so you make one factory per each material you need, not transporting them other than hauling them to storage

If an item needs previous items, you just craft them again from ores, trying to source the ores from near, I guess the most amount demanding ones, then hauling the others by train

did I got that right?

[ancient oriole]

Typically, things like Ingots, Ores

[wind spade]

yeah, that's one way to play, which I recommend

[analog frigate]

I think I like it, I'll try, thanks

so there's no circuits

wait

[ancient oriole]

circuits?

[analog frigate]

are the ore trains going around the map deploying resources where needed, picking them up where they are?

[wind spade]

no

[analog frigate]

or do you dedicate one line just to bring ores to one specific factory?

[wind spade]

miner -> factory directly

[analog frigate]

so not all lines are conected, right?

[wind spade]

no

[ancient oriole]

I have multiple trains, for different resources.
One train, picks up both Sulfur & Coal, because its sent to the same train station. Then goes straight to the factory where its needed.

If I produce more than needed, I make another train, that can pick up more from there and send that train elsewhere, where its needed.

[analog frigate]

and you both reuse rails? if a path can be used do you just add an intersection?

[wind spade]

yes

[ancient oriole]

yes

[analog frigate]

I wish rails appeared on map

so, rails are best on the sky, right? over a foundation

[ancient oriole]

They are easier to make on a foundation. Because foundations make for easy measurements.

So ye, I build my rails over the ground, on foundations.

[wind spade]

not really, doesn't matter if you place them on the ground or not

[open linden]

Just build a small steel beam/pipe factory.
Should I use trucks to transport material for now?
Gathering nodes across distance uses a lot of belts

But train is in phase 3

[analog frigate]

I skipped trucks

bad experiences with them but were years ago

[regal bobcat]

google is not being useful, does anyone know a resource/calculator for maximizing production from a given input?

like right now im setting up my basic starter iron and copper stuff. i have 480 iron ingots /sec. i want to use as close to all of that and produce as much of the basics (plate, rods, screws, reinforced plates, rotors, and modular frames) as i can. i haven't been able to find a calculator that allows me to figure that out

[wind spade]

see #welcome , Satisfactory Tools can do that

(however it's not the recommended way to calculate)

[analog frigate]

I use https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/and set the item inputs to available mats

[open linden]

Can you explain why?

[regal bobcat]

thank you!

[wind spade]

you shouldn't limit yourself to what you have

if you need X ore, find a place that has X ore

[ancient oriole]

or bring x ore to you

[open linden]

Hmmm, I’m currently hand planning steel factory, but I find it hard to pick a number of end product

[analog frigate]

I mainly use those limits because I really dont know how much each I need, so I just look around what is there and just use that

[wind spade]

check which buildings use that product, estimate how much you'll be building those, use that to pick a number to produce

start small, you can always add more factories to produce more

[regal bobcat]

ideally yes, but I'm just starting out and want to work with what's available to me until I'm ready to expand

[wind spade]

see above

[open linden]

How does one estimate how much of the part you need?

[wind spade]

check out which buildings use that part

if a lot of buildings you expect to build often, make more
if just a few buildings that you won't build much, make less