math-and-meta

[versed violet]

My flexible plan is to use base recipes, as those are mostly expected to stay the same. I mean, 30 ore into 30 ingot is an obvious simple thing with no reason to change.

Don't forget the encased industrial bean.

[vapid gorge]

and if you're using copper/iron alloy recipoes

[versed violet]

well, not using them because of the known (and unknown) changes. not even solid steel. I reckon all basic ones except the encased beams should be "safe", even ig inefficient.

[true junco]

For all we know, every single recipe has changed. Have they even confirmed a single specific recipe that hasnt?

[orchid pond]

why would they confirm recipes that havent changed

they would just not mention them, as they have

[vapid gorge]

because everyone is itching for any information and it's fun to dribble it out?

[orchid pond]

yeah but "hey guys modular engines are the same recipe" isn't exactly news

a lot of the production lines are really well balanced, the ones that need tweaks (ie computers, nuclear fuel) are being slowly dribbled out

i imagine most recipes are the same

[vapid gorge]

So? you can say the same thing about hte hmf recipe but because some people have strokes over things not using whole numbers, it changed

[median heath]

Why did Computers need tweaking?

[vapid gorge]

because people hate screws I guess? idk

lots of weird changes

[true junco]

Because "screws bad" i assume.

[orchid pond]

IIRC it was to avoid the first manufacturer part requiring a full 4 components

as for whether or not that's valid, CSS seems to think so and that's good enough for me ig

[median heath]

Idc why they think they needed adjustment.

Given almost every other machine requires a part it makes to make it beforehand.

I asked why you think they need adjustment.

[orchid pond]

I don't particularly care if computers are adjusted or not

but the reason they are being adjusted is because CSS thinks they need to be, which is what I meant by "needs tweaks"

personally I look forward to not needing screws for early computer setups but I really don't mind it either way

[jagged horizon]

@versed violet I've been playing around with both Satisfactory Tools and Satisfactory Calculator, and also working on my own spreadsheet.

These tools are great, but I have several issues - which is why I am working on my own spreadsheet and solutions.

1. Graphical calculators will provide the numbers and flow, but often lack an efficient breakdown using splitter and merger tools or load-balancers I'm also a big fan of using storage containers throughout the flow to help ensure smooth flow.
2. The solutions are often confined to 2D - I'd like to play around in 3D and sketch-out builds that incorporate features like splitter/merger floors, vertical conveyor belts, conveyor belts with splitter/merger heads.
3. Realistic distances - object placement that actually considers the amount of space/volume required between components. This also considers height changes, obstacles, etc.
4. Component Color Coding Objects/Maps/Signs: Early in the game, I set points on the map with color coded points (iron = grey, copper = greenish, limestone = light yellow, sulfur = brighter yellow, coal = black, etc.) Then I keep the same color scheme for signs, buildings, etc.

I've been playing around with the open-source program FreeCAD, using it to create blocks and shapes that represent building, conveyor belts, splitters, etc.

FreeCAD should allow the use of layers and object snapping to have a reasonable degree of certainty before actually creating the factories in-game. FreeCAD can also import and set up components using Python - usually, I'll run the requirements through a GPT model. I think it needs a bit more work, ideally, it's find a balance between ease of use and detail.

I'm using GFN to run Satisfactory, so no mods 😭 or blueprint imports.

[wind spade]

For 1) usually people do manifolds, so Tools intentionally do not show splitters and meegers, since there's infinite ways to split and merge. Also, no idea how containers will help with smoothness

2. they are calculators, nor floor planners. And best floor planner is Satisfactory 🙂

(You can ofc do anything you want, these are just my reasonings on why and why not)

[jagged horizon]

@wind spade thanks. I was looking at your GitHub repo today. Will you be updating the tool when 1.0 launches?

[wind spade]

Not sure yet

[oblique hollow]

Imo computers not needing screws is decent for seperation of resources. If you wanna complicate it and bring iron in by using iron wire to make cable, that is a fine choice

[versed violet]

Continuing the thread - the calculator is not arrangement planner, it just counts the total machines/resources needed and that is perfectly fine.
However, it lacks persistency. In excel I can color off the machines built or machines needing rechecking (as you can see in yellow here #math-and-meta message)
Excel also allows naïve floor planning by calculating how many rows of machines are needed, summing up the machine sizes + required belt space, then counting how many 8m tiles that is.
I'm also a big fan of offline/local tools that don't need resource heavy browser.
Then there is the mentioned before aspect of tinkering with building numbers.
Oh, and multitab excel also allows easy setting up of imports/exports between factories.

[median heath]

"How many rows of machines" is going to be very specific to the individual, so there is no way that Tools could even attempt to show that.

[wind spade]

persistency - I plan to touch on that in new Tools
floor planning - as said above, every person has their own build style, so adapting to all build styles is impossible and making some "average guess" would be useless for most people
offline/local - I'd like that too, however it would probably still run in some sort of browser emulator, so idk if that's something you'd like 🤔
tinkering with machine counts - also something planned for new Tools (changing clock speed mostly)
import/export between tabs - planned for far future for new Tools

[versed violet]

Floor planning is not in the picture. Its just something you can do manually in excel, semi conveniently.
If you want to run it locally, perhaps proton would help to package it as exe.
Just having excel/tabular export would suffice for me - the calculkator is used for calculating totals and finding recipes, rest of the work is more comfortably done in excel (storing. tinkering, floor planning and marking off things already built)

[wind spade]

yeah proton would be the way to go without having to rewrite it completely in some different technology

[versed violet]

rewrite wouldnt make sense

[versed violet]

Uh, does train station (not freight platform) use 50MW or 0.1 MW? Wiki says 0.1MW, but ingame looks like 50.

[median heath]

Should be 50 MW.

But they idle and drop to the standard idling 0.1 when there is no train.

[frail pond]

does the old stockpile method not work? i got 6 onstructors getting materials from one big Mk3 belt but the last 2 arent getting enought

[wind spade]

how much is on the belt? how much does each constructor need? is the belt mk3 everywhere?

[frail pond]

its 3 smelter making 90/min and 6 construcros using all to make 90 rods/min

but the last 2 go idle half of the time

[wind spade]

are all of the previous ones filled?

[frail pond]

yes

[wind spade]

to max?

[frail pond]

i am manually filling them to check

nvm found the issue

im doing all the belt spagetti below the floor, one of the lifts was an mk1 but the counterpat above was an mk3

it was slowing everything down

[viscid dew]

so i built a satisfactory spreadsheet for the first time and need some help verifying that it is fine and i did not miss anything

[viscid dew]

i am having a slight dicrepency between this and the satisfactory calculator is there a reason for this?

[oblique hollow]

i dont even know what im lookint at

[median heath]

☝️

[fierce ruin]

im having a problem with my first train station where my entire system clogs cause there is more of one item than the others. Do i fix this by making that item its own freight car/station or should i make a large storage center that filters out the trains deliveries?

[wind spade]

which calculator

[viscid dew]

The one at satisfactory-calculator

[wind spade]

that sometimes gives weird results for me 🤷‍♂️

[viscid dew]

I think it is because that assumes the belt speed as well and my spreadsheet doesn’t

[wind spade]

it doesn't assume belt speed afaik

[viscid dew]

Also I tried the other one but couldn’t find a way to set up overclocking

[viscid dew]

No I set the belt speed

[wind spade]

just divide the number by 2.5 if you want full overclocking 🤷‍♂️

[oblique hollow]

seperating would be the better move if you didnt unlock smart splitters in the MAM yet

[fierce ruin]

ive been using smart spliters but it still clogged

[oblique hollow]

then you maybe didnt use them correctly?

[rapid pier]

how the hell are you supposed to balance the reinforced iron plates in a modular frame factory????

[oblique hollow]

whenever you have mixed cargo, you NEED an overflow splitter that leads into an awesome sink

[oblique hollow]

balance? you mean how to split it up between machines with belts?

like that kind of balancing?

[wind spade]

usually just a single splitter

[fierce ruin]

oh that makes more sense instead of making more storage i hadnt been sinking it

thank you

[rapid pier]

i know how to split, but how do i split the the assembler producing 5 r.i.p converts into 3 r.i.p to work properley without overflowing

[oblique hollow]

you dont try to make a perfect split

make 15/min plates and split it into 5 assemblers making frames

overflow is usually recommended here

[wind spade]

well overflow is usually the way to go
if you really don't want overflow, just make a balancer (but prepare for pain)

[oblique hollow]

as a 1 to 5 balancer is doable but needlessly complex

[rapid pier]

then why did satisfactory make it almost impossible to balance

[oblique hollow]

its a puzzle

[rapid pier]

?

[wind spade]

because you don't need to

[oblique hollow]

balancing just isnt very good in this game

its an optional way of doing logistics and the usual method is to NOT balance

[rapid pier]

but its so annoying when stuff isnt perfect

[wind spade]

idk, I consider manifolds perfect

[oblique hollow]

3 to 5 with a manifold belt

100% usage of reinforced plates

seems perfect to me

just that the belt itself is not a "perfect 3 to 5 split"

[rapid pier]

i used manifolds to do the math and nothing lines up

[oblique hollow]

if you want you can also just adjust the clock rate of the reinforced plate assembler so it makes 4/min

[oblique hollow]

sorry, but then your math was off

[rapid pier]

how so?

[oblique hollow]

cause of experience? i know it works and that it works at all

ive seen others used it and i used it myself countless times

so the chance of that suddenly not being true anymore is just not given

[wind spade]

manifolds always work at 100% efficiency, once they are filled

[oblique hollow]

manifold main downside is it takes a dozen minutes for everything to fill

[wind spade]

but you can prefill or just build next part of factory while it's filling

[oblique hollow]

and if you are impatient with it it can be frustrating or seem broken, but it really isnt

[rapid pier]

15/2 = 7.5 7.5/2 = 3.75 or 7.5/3 = 2.66

does not line up

[oblique hollow]

why 2

[wind spade]

but the first machine doesn't need 15

[oblique hollow]

modular frames use 3/min plates

[rapid pier]

all of the do

[oblique hollow]

not 2

[rapid pier]

i know

[oblique hollow]

so why 15/2

[rapid pier]

thats why it does not line up

[oblique hollow]

do you mean the way the manifold works?

[rapid pier]

because it splits into 2

[oblique hollow]

yeah, but only initially

[rapid pier]

a conveyor splitter

[oblique hollow]

first machine needs 3, it gets 7.5/min
what do you think happens to those 7.5/min that it gets once the inventory runs full?

does it just keep accepting 7.5/min?

[rapid pier]

i did not understand that sentence

[oblique hollow]

first belt split - 7.5/min one way, 7.5/min the other way

[rapid pier]

right

[oblique hollow]

7.5/min goes into one assembler that only needs 3/min

[strong loom]

Hi, was anything new announced regarding (alternate) recipe changes (since the standard computer recipe)?

[oblique hollow]

what happens once the inventory of the assembler is full of reinforced plates?

[rapid pier]

who said its going into an assembler

[oblique hollow]

it has to
thats how the manifold gets used

[rapid pier]

define manifold?

[oblique hollow]

manifold = row of splitters directly into machines

one splitter per machine

[rapid pier]

isnt it the structure that over time splits less resources because it always halves the amount of recources?

[oblique hollow]

thats only part of the deal?
the manifold does that if you ignore where those splits go into

[rapid pier]

what?

[oblique hollow]

if you had awesome sinks on each split, then yeah, you would always get half as much after each splitter

because awesome sinks never fill up

but thats not how you use a manifold
you split stuff into a machine so it fills up and then overflows

[rapid pier]

you suggesting me to use awesome sink for overflow?

[oblique hollow]

no, that was just an example of how it would work out numbers wise like how you described it

[rapid pier]

why does it need to overflow?

[oblique hollow]

please try to follow along this example

lets finish this first

you'll get it when we are done with that

[rapid pier]

why though?

[oblique hollow]

because im trying to describe manifold usage?

and how it is supposed to be used and how it is supposed to work?

[rapid pier]

oh

ohhhh

when the assembler overflows it fills up another row of assemblers gradually

[oblique hollow]

yep

and then that assembler overflows

all the way until at the very end, the last 2 machines recive exactly what they need (that is just a quirk of how the numbers work out when you use manifolds)

[rapid pier]

one question

[oblique hollow]

sure

[rapid pier]

how do i balance ann odd number of assemblers using a manifold

[oblique hollow]

well, you have one splitter per assembler

5 assemblers to use 15/min reinforced plates, right?

cause each one needs 3/min

first one gets 7.5 and slowly fills up
once full, it will only accept 3/min
so now the first splitter no longer does 7.5/min and 7.5/min, but 3/min and 12/min

because the first assembler just cant accept any more

now the second assembler receives 6/min (12 / 2)
it needs 3, so it overflows again
now the belt splits into 3/min and 9/min
third assembler gets 4.5/min, so that one overflows too

[rapid pier]

oh wait

why did i think i need 2 rows of manifolds for it to work

[oblique hollow]

you only need one

15/min fits onto a mk 1 belt

the other manifold is for the iron rods

which is 60/min split over the 5 assemblers

so thats 4 rod constructors

[oblique hollow]

I hope most of it is clear now?
Any questions left?

[rapid pier]

no.

[vague garnet]

Late response because I didn’t see it at first, but thanks for this.

[wind spade]

non-satisfactory things go to #off-topic-general

[lucid valley]

Cheers king

[median heath]

So like... half of #design-and-architecture given how unsatisfactory it is 😉

[steady steeple]

HELP I am so confused I tried to do math but it isn't mathing!!

I am making screws 120/m, using a splitter to make two lines 60/m into assemblers to make reinforced plates. The assemblers however are not running at peak efficency because there aren't enough screws. What is happening?

[hybrid granite]

You are using belts that can handle 120/min where they're needed, yes?

[steady steeple]

ah does it have to be mk2?

[hybrid granite]

Yeah

Mk1 can't move 120/min

[steady steeple]

thats the missing piece

thank you

[ruby jackal]

Did I just see a Mk6 belt?

[versed violet]

Random idea:
Final space parts delivery phase should require parts/minute sustained over 10 minutes.
And parts 'expire' 1 min after being built.
To force user to actually build a factory 😉

[north monolith]

With how big CSS are on forcing stuff on people, I'm pretty sure that could happen only via mod

[versed violet]

Yes, these evil CSS people forcing us all to play their game.

[north monolith]

(I know irony is dead and all, but I hoped you'd catch it)

[versed violet]

Sorry to break it to you, but if you are in here, you are already part of the Cult.

PRAISE HANNAH!

[oblique hollow]

IKEA Star Core my beloved elevator part

[north monolith]

I truly am a big fan of the Landscape With Stone Dicks With Just A Spot Of Blue On The Top®

[wind spade]

@worldly lily see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[stone stag]

I need the pump at the top, (its going down behind me), or else theres 0 flow rate

[vapid gorge]

so pumps reset head lift

[median heath]

This is the flow direction, right?

[vapid gorge]

if hte point on the left is lower than the point on the right you don't need any pumps

[stone stag]

yes

[stone stag]

oh, I can try to remove some of the pumps then

[median heath]

Did you let the entire pipe fill up before trying to decide "it doesn't flow" or did you just expect immediate perfection?

[stone stag]

I waited for nearly a minute, still not any flow rate

[vapid gorge]

take some overhead shots

[median heath]

Because these say "Hi, I am empty, don't try to diagnose me."

[vapid gorge]

built something tall if you have to

[median heath]

Yeah, takes longer than that depending on length of pipe.

[stone stag]

dont have cheats enabled

[vapid gorge]

you can build stuff with foundations

or scout towers

[stone stag]

alright, I will remove the pumps and wait even longer

[vapid gorge]

or ladders

[vapid gorge]

also turn off anything that might be consuming the oil, let it flood

[median heath]

Pipes are not belts.
Never think about pipes in terms of belts.

Yellow section is naturally going to fill first, then BOTH red sections before green even thinks about having full flowrate.

[stone stag]

currently not connected to anything since im still building it

[stone stag]

makes sense. didnt think satisfactory had this kind of physics

[median heath]

Why would fluids not have fluid physics?

[stone stag]

not all games have realistic physics...

[median heath]

This is Satisfactory.

[stone stag]

im very new to the game

[vapid gorge]

it happens. Keep pipes simple, let systems flood, you'll get there

[median heath]

What other games do/don't do is irrelevant 🤷‍♂️
One shouldn't assume just "because other game" that "new game I am playing" works anywhere similar.

[stone stag]

alright. I appreciate all the help! I will finish this pipeline and see if it flows fine!

[stone stag]

quite hard to know when you are brand new to a game. assuming a game has very realistic physics can prove problematic if it does not

[median heath]

Sims4 is the most physics-intensive game there is whatchu meeeeeeeaaannnn.

[stone stag]

the right pump says it has a headroom of 18.5m (exact same as the left pump). why is that? (note that it flows from right to left)

[rain sun]

Hm because both have then? If you have that section again after the pump on the left with the same incline, then of course it has the same headroom.

[stone stag]

it doesnt seem like that pipe is 18.5m in elevation

[rain sun]

Are that the 4m steep foundation ramps?

Then it fits, that would be around 4x4m so 16m and there is a part at the bottom so it could be 18m

I am also not sure, on the other side on the screenshots above it looks like the pipe goes down and then up, you don't need pumps in the bottom then, refer again to that PDF that I sent you and read the "Water tower" section. With the pumps in the valley you reset the headlift, which does not make much sense of course. The yellow part fills first of course because it is the lowest, pipes fill from low to high as is also stated in the PDF in the Introduction. Then you only need pumps that are for pipe sections that are higher than the initial output, which you notice when the pipe does not fill up although the lower part is filled. I hope that helps a bit!

[stone stag]

makes sense

[rain sun]

You can easily test when you have the 1m and 4m walls, just zoop them and count them

[dry fjord]

I have 1 Belt A with 240 Iron Plates/min on it and another Belt B with 50, and only have access to Mk3 belts (270/min).What is a method that would allow me to merge 30/min of B into A without backing up the machines feeding A

[versed violet]

manifold. or smart splitters if you really want to make sure

[dry fjord]

I've tried both. This tries to force all of B onto A until it gets backed up, which results in all the previous machines getting backed up

[versed violet]

where is the remaining 20 going?

[dry fjord]

onto A. I'm not getting one belt with 270 and another with 20, I just get one overfilled belt with 270

[versed violet]

how many smart splitters did you use?

[dry fjord]

One, on B. How would you use more?

[versed violet]

well, you put one smart splitter on each input (250 and 50) before merging them with merger, set one port on them to overflow and merge the overflow belts into one. You get whatever fits on mk3 in primary and remainder on overflow belt

[dry fjord]

I'll give that a shot

[versed violet]

red are inputs, green are outputs.

[dry fjord]

Think that might've solved it. Thanks!

[versed violet]

Tunneling question - how do I increase view distance here?

[cinder silo]

@versed violet That looks like the fog, the only way to do that is console command, r.fog 0

Under-map fog is far less defined because it isn't really meant to be seen, hence the weird cut offs with it.

[grave cairn]

hey I've had satisfactory for a hot minute and I'm trying the make my factory's electricity stay flat but i always make it jump up and down when i start screws any tips on that

[prime tiger]

basically, your factory has to 100% efficient for the power consumption to be flat

[neat surge]

Hi, how do I pull out 50 and 40 from 90? I need help with making 8 rotors per min.

[prime tiger]

wdym pull out what exactly

[neat surge]

Iron rods

Like lets say I make 90 iron rods per min, and I need to have 40 go to the asembler, while the other 50 goes to the screws

my question is how do I pull 5 from the 45 so it can go to the other 45 to make it 50

[vapid gorge]

manifold

[prime tiger]

You can just use a splitter. The amount each side receives doesn't matter over the long term. It will balance itself eventually.

if one side is receiving more than it's suppose to it will evenly fill up, creating a backlog of iron rods

the overflowing iron rods will go to the other side where theyre are needed

[neat surge]

Yeah the thing is, I am stupid at manifolding

[vapid gorge]

you don't have to think about manifolds, that's whats great

[vapid gorge]

if you have a system that uses 50 and a system that uses 40 it'll self balance with 1 splitter

[neat surge]

thats crazy..

thank you in the end.

[prime tiger]

exactly just make sure that the one side is dialed down to accept only 50 rods per min

[vapid gorge]

well if you're feeding 45 into a system that uses 40, what's going to happen when it's filled up?

[neat surge]

ooo

5 goes into the 50

[vapid gorge]

right

[neat surge]

aight, thanks my dudes

[vapid gorge]

other very simple way to get specific amounts on belts, maybe when a single manifold isn't quite right

Clock the machines to put the exact right amount of items per min on a belt and only merge those

I call it selective merging because apparently very few people think about this so prob needs a name

[neat surge]

I did try to do that, but it went into waste and resorted to asking

[vapid gorge]

waste?

[neat surge]

I mean that I scraped that idea and wanted to ask

[vapid gorge]

ah

[vapid gorge]

what was the issue you were having with clocking machines to merge only certain groups?

[neat surge]

My brain keeps on playing tricks with me and I keep on messing things up, so I always try to keep up with someone that it is for my liking.

[vapid gorge]

I don't know what you mean by "so I always try to keep up with someone that it is for my liking." sorry

[neat surge]

I am so tired that I don't know what I'm even typing, what I meant to say was something for my liking, aka merge and split only.

[vapid gorge]

go sleep 😛 figure stuff out and/or ask me things tomorrow 😛

[versed violet]

Yeah, fog fixed it.

[grave cairn]

there it is i also tried separate containers i just don't know how to fix it

[vapid gorge]

ok so you're wanting to work on your smelters first? not power syste?

[grave cairn]

i got the smeltes and first row of constructors flat lined i need my screws to stop blinking yellow

[vapid gorge]

so the issue is your screws are backing up right?

how many screws per min are you making
what speed is that belt into a container?

[grave cairn]

mk2

[vapid gorge]

and the screws?

[grave cairn]

all of them except for the first 2 smelters are mk2

[burnt wraith]

this one isn't connected?

[vapid gorge]

no, how many screws per min are you making

[grave cairn]

40 per minute

[vapid gorge]

total?

[grave cairn]

i didn't realize that

[vapid gorge]

you have 2 constructors not connected up but I don't think that's the main issue

[grave cairn]

each so 40 times 4 is 160

[vapid gorge]

how much can a mk2 belt move?

[grave cairn]

120

[vapid gorge]

there you go

it's the simplest thing but also the most critical, that you keep in mind how much your logistics can move per min

with the 2 constructors that aren't connected you'll be making 240 so will need at least 2x mk2 belts to move them continuously

[grave cairn]

got it 🙂 thank you

[vapid gorge]

do you want to sort out your power now?

[grave cairn]

im about to add more coal factorys if i cant figure it out i will send a text

[vapid gorge]

if your power is up and down then that means your generators are starving from 1 or more materials
manually check them to see which it is and then follow the problem back

[vapid gorge]

@peak haven you can toggle which purities you see also on the right

grassy fields, where you are, is the lower left

[peak haven]

Yeah I’m specifically set up like, right here

[hard galleon]

10 refineries at 60 crude oil/m for 40 fuel/min going to 20 fuel generators at 250 MW for what should be 400 fuel/min total

refineries are being fed by a 600/min crude oil extractor

i waited for all to be full so there is a buffer but it is still consuming fuel faster than i make it

[wind spade]

fuel gens at 250 MW? they do 150MW each

[hard galleon]

i overclocked

and says they consume 20 ea

20 fuel a min each

[wind spade]

250MW is impossible to clock for

same for 20/min

[wind spade]

the display rounds the values

[hard galleon]

so it is rounding down?

should i put them all to 249

[wind spade]

it uses 12*1.666667 fuel per minute, so 20.000004/min

[hard galleon]

ahhh ok

that makes sense tbh

[wind spade]

not sure if that's the cause of your issue, but it's at least something you should be aware of

[hard galleon]

it would make sense because it took a few hrs to finally start having a couple generators stop producing for bits at a time

changing them all to 249.9

puts it at under 20 fuel/min each so hopefully it fixes lol

[manic mulch]

Alright I need to make sure I'm not going insane.
So I plan to fully utilize the 900 m^3 crude oil in the northern spire coast to make 500 turbo fuel per second.

Do I actually need 7500 sulfur and coal per minute, or 400 per minute?

All my other calculations seem correct for initial handling with 42 + 2/3 refineries but holy cow I am brain farting so hard over this.

[oblique hollow]

depends on the recipe

Turbo Blend fuel?
Turbofuel?
Turbo Heavy?
Diluted fuel or no?

in one case you have compacted coal, in the other case its sulfur directly

[vapid gorge]

why not use a planner if you're going mad?

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production

[manic mulch]

Because I like to challenge myself before I resort to using the planner

And I want to check my math with a second pair of eyes

[manic mulch]

Regular turbo fuel made in a refinery. No alt. recipe.

[oblique hollow]

That recipe is kinda regarded as an alt

since you unlock it with a hard drive in the MAM

either way

[manic mulch]

I mean sure, but refinery turbo fuel.

[oblique hollow]

that one needs compacted coal, which is basically 1:1 with sulfur

should need 400/min sulfur

as its 500 / 18.75 x 15

[manic mulch]

Ah. Yeah total brain fart until I reached that point

I freaked out when I calculated 7500 IPM compacted coal but I multiplied instead of divided.

[vapid gorge]

doing addition and multiplication isn't really the point of the game but I guess if you have fun doing arithmatics then sure.
I however highly recommend the planner when you're playing around with factories and want to swap out alt recipes and not have to spend 2 hours every time

[manic mulch]

I enjoy spending time doing arithmetic and planning factories

Especially since my last save I was shocked by assembler logistics and I just gave up

But I'm back and I got things figured out more.

I also am spending hours on bridge architecture instead of plopping down a bunch of conveyors.

Literally brought 2 truckloads of materials for the buildings including belts and pipes to the spire coast for this and I'm so excited to get this working.

[mighty tusk]

I have a 240/m output from 8 constructors with wire, and I need to split it into 180 and 60. The output from the constructors is in 2 seperate 120/m mk2 belts since I dont have mk3s. I thought about 2/1 splitting the one line and then merging the 2 with the other line but the math doesnt work out right. Anyone know how I should go about this

I am stupid, I was calculateeing a 3 split of 120s as 30/30/30 not 40/40/40

[vapid gorge]

how much wire does each machine make per min?

[mighty tusk]

30

I found a website called "Satisfactory Splitter Calculator" (The bot deleted my message with thee link), and it gave me what I needed for splitters

I did have an issue with a copper ore run where for some reason when I had the lift connected directly to a splitter it would repeatedly pause, but I decided to connect it to a belt then into the splitter and that stoped

[wind spade]

I can give you that as well 🙂

--S--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |  |

works for anything 😛

[manic mulch]

Manifolds forever bay bee

[magic turret]

hi everyone, is this how tubes work?

like, is the final output to the left correct?

[vital garden]

Yes

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MdZ8Xr8P_SF_FL7B6WDjCZGS-x9Cwt-x/view

this is also very helpful

[magic turret]

i love you 🥹

[mighty tusk]

manifold wouldve been horrible for what I was trying to do

[vapid gorge]

manifolds work in every situation

[calm mauve]

manifold master race!

[vapid gorge]

so yeah 1st - manifolds work for everything.

and if your machines are outputing 30 each you can just have 2x belts of 120 and split one of them in 2

I'd avoid that splitter calc, it's much much simpler to actually put the number of items you need on the belt in the first place

you have full control of it with clocking machines. It'll save you tons of time and space

[mighty tusk]

What splitter calc was easy i was just having a brain fart

[vapid gorge]

inputing numbers into it is 'easy'

but it gives you wild diagrams if you're not doing very basic things that you could do w/o the page.

Seriously though, look at clocking and putting the right number of items on belts in teh first place

[mighty tusk]

This was easy to do

[vapid gorge]

that's not at all what you described

"I have a 240/m output from 8 constructors with wire, and I need to split it into 180 and 60. The output from the constructors is in 2 seperate 120/m mk2 belts since I dont "

and you can't merge 160 onto 1 belt with mk2s

[mighty tusk]

Yea I typod and meant 160 and 80

[vapid gorge]

ok, you still can't merge 160 onto 1x mk2 belt

[leaden onyx]

I've read the pipeline manual, but there was this one special circuit I couldn't see or understand what the application for it would be, nor why you would want this to happen

Why would you want backflow to happen if a blackout occured?

[vapid gorge]

what it says 'water towers' , which are a bit pointless

[mighty tusk]

With the clocking of the one constuctor, it only needed 40 a min so I kept the 120 and 40 seperate

[vapid gorge]

you can get the same effect just by having the pipe go up and then down

[leaden onyx]

Ohh I get it

[mighty tusk]

Technically I did this

[vapid gorge]

a lot of the manual explains effects and things that are possible to do with pipes - a lot of the things you can do aren't particularly useful and/or the easiest/best solution to things.

just options

[leaden onyx]

Gotcha
It still was very informative and thoroughly enjoyable to skim through

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah Galeon has found weird things.

In general I'd suggest avoiding water towers, keeping pipes simple with as few mergers and splits is generally your best bet

[leaden onyx]

Yeah, they're definitely more finnicky than I thought they were, according to the manual

[vapid gorge]

they're totally doable, it's just you should feel very comfortable with pipes before doing complex things that aren't expressly needed

[quick gorge]

Give me a sec Baldur

[opaque oak]

Satisfactory Alien language subsitution cipher and messages.

Ok, got blocked by server, moment, need to reformat.

[wind spade]

@trim flicker see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[trim flicker]

oh alr thx

[torn quarry]

is heavy oil residue good?

im too lazy to do the math myself rn

i dont mean the material

i mean the alternate recipe

its litterally jsut called that, its crude oil -> polymer and heavy oil

oh wait its so much more heavy

[vapid gorge]

If you want the residue it’s pretty great yes

[torn quarry]

i also think its better at eeking out fuel

[vapid gorge]

Look at the diluted fuel recipes

[torn quarry]

fair enough

to bad ive already located my oil processing plant for the time being not near water

actually watter isn't that far away

[torn quarry]

is it more efficient to burn turbo fuel in your generator or use compact coal and fuel seperate

[calm mauve]

turbo fuel FTW

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=gPaMrZAKEzK9E5d9OsYL

[leaden depot]

Is this a valid VIP for sulfuric acid for uranium cells? The 10 output feeds to the input, and we get another 30 from the main line below. Do I need both pumps?

[calm mauve]

its back to front. the supply line should be above the recycle lines

[leaden depot]

It needs more lift to reach the juntion point. I know this is upside down from the classic example.

[calm mauve]

the priority is lower fluid before above

[leaden depot]

Hmmm. Is there any way to do it with the supply below? Do I need to run the recycle down?

[calm mauve]

yup that would work as long as the merge point is supply above recyle

[leaden depot]

How's this? recycle is in foreground, supply from right. Do I need a pump on the recycle line to reset headlift?

[calm mauve]

almost

i would move the join from the supply side so it isnt a 4 way junction

instead move it to somewhere along the recycle line so it feeds from above

you prob dont need the pump in the pic

you might need a pump to lift the final product up to the next floor

[leaden depot]

feeling pretty good anout this

just gotta find a cleaner look for the down pipe

[calm mauve]

im not sure on that double join you have as the supply is joining the recycle line at the same level

i would add a separate vertical join for the supply along the recycle line somewhere

here is a pic of my battery setup with recycled water. #screenshots message

[leaden depot]

its not backing up with everything hooked up to magic machines. I think I'm safe like this.

output staying empty

[calm mauve]

nice

[leaden depot]

The pump isn't strictly needed, but I'd rather just reset the lift so I know it'll make it up.

tyvm

[wind spade]

That depends what efficiency are we talking about

Personally I wouldn't use turbofuel at all

[leaden depot]

I'm very interested to see if there's any fuel recipe changes other than needing fewer gens. Somehow making turbo fuel worth it would be great.

[nova steppe]

What should my outputs be for some nice round numbers, I need the 35 circuit boards and atleast 45 rubber and 10 plastic

wait im stupid

I just posted a fixed version.... I fixed it without knowing

[wind spade]

round numbers are kinda pointless to aim for imo

[hybrid granite]

They're not necessary, but they feel nicer to work with
Plus, no nonsense with floating point precision

[wind spade]

that's only relevant once you hit like 6 decimal points

which you don't here (and shouldn't anyway, given that clock speed is limited to 4 decimal places)

[delicate pendant]

But...they are neat

[wind spade]

and irrelevant

10 is a nice number
142.8456 is also a nice number

[hybrid granite]

I like how round numbers look more than decimals, unless the decimals are nice fractions like .25 or .333
But that's just cause it's easier for me to keep track of, and if you can keep track of decimals like .8456 then more power to you

[wind spade]

.333 is not a nice decimal because in reality it's .3333333333333
and why would I have to "keep track" of it?

the only thing I need to do with the number is to set it as clock speed to a machine and then I never have to think about it again

[hybrid granite]

I keep track of which machines I've underclocked so I figured you might, but that was an assumption on my part

[wind spade]

I mean the machine's indicator will glow differently afaik, so I don't really need to remember. But even if I had to track which one I clocked, I don't really need the number, since the number is in the machine for me to read, should I need it

[hybrid granite]

I only remember it glowing a different color if it's overclocked
But it really doesn't matter much, it's just part of how I play the game and I shouldn't have assumed it was how you did

[true junco]

Most if not all inate decimals in recipes in per-minute are binary fractions. Ie. All the fractions on an imperial ruler.

[arctic knot]

How so?

[wind spade]

why not? what difference does it make if you're making 5.8459 per minute or 20?

only thing that matters is that you're making enough for what you need

[dry fjord]

The game seems to have a problem with big decimals, so I try to avoid them.

[wind spade]

Only decimals that matter is clock speed and that's limited to 4 decimal places

[true junco]

All recipes are in whole numbers anyways. Whole number of inputs, whole number of outputs. I dont recall off hand, but i think most if not all cycles are in whole seconds aswell.

(All assuming 100% clock speed)

The decimals are a figment of clocking and defining productions by an arbitrary time. Per minute being arbitrary, and not how the game actually works anyways.

[oblique hollow]

well yes the items can never be halves

[river night]

Its not much of a figment, but a result of relating production of two different machines, you can do that directly or through a common denominator - eg. per minute

[oblique hollow]

but theres enough recipes with decimal inputs and outputs

[ashen girder]

I think their point is that everything's a whole number of inputs per a whole number of seconds.

Just like you can't consume half an item, nothing occurs in half seconds.

[vapid gorge]

.333 = 333 x 10^-3 , there you go, whole number

[ancient hinge]

Well I will need 5375 MW for my upcoming factories... I have fully unlocked everything up to tier 4, what should I do? I mean I could just make big coal pp but... Is there any othee way? I could unlock neccesary things in Tier 5 if theres better option

[median heath]

I would suggest a 2-fold approach.

1. Just make the coal plant.
2. Scale down your plans, there's no reason to be consuming 5 GW of power in Phase 2. 🤷‍♂️ Save larger builds for later in progression when you have better options to accomodate them.

I build much larger than most, and I even I don't cross 4 GW of consumption until I'm just about to cross into Phase 4.

[feral vine]

Hello I have a question for uranium waste, is the amount of waste outputed from the nuclear generators per machine or per fuel rod

[median heath]

Per Rod.

[feral vine]

so if i have 6.4 times ten no?

[median heath]

1 Rod = 50 Waste

[ancient hinge]

O thpughtvthere are just 3phases

[feral vine]

per minutes no?

[median heath]

T1-2 = Phase 1
T3-4 = Phase 2
T5-6 = Phase 3
T7-8 = Phase 4

[median heath]

No.
1 Rod = 50 Waste.

[ancient hinge]

Is it really that much?

[median heath]

No matter how fast or slow you burn.

[ancient hinge]

Oh thank you

[median heath]

My eyes are blinded by you using your phone when computers have built-in screenshots functions...

[ancient hinge]

I am om egypt with crappy wifi and no dc on my year didnt used notebook

[median heath]

Also you said "Tier 4" but are making Computers... which are not available in Tier 4.

[late wave]

let him be

[median heath]

[ancient hinge]

Ik... I am planning forward, I forgot about that one...

[feral vine]

They give 50 in their whole lifetime, i wanna know the amount of waste per minute

Any idea?

[median heath]

1 Rod = 50 Waste

So if you're burning 1 Rod/min, you get 50 Waste/min

If you're burning 0.2 Rods/min, you get 10 Waste/min

[ancient hinge]

Than its just over 3.5 GW so thats nice...

Thanks

[feral vine]

Oh thanks, that's what i needed!!

[late wave]

basic math

[feral vine]

i know but my question isn't clear

it's ok

[median heath]

Clear as mud 😛

[feral vine]

so if i'm producing 6.4 fuel rod per min I do 6.4x50 and boom total amount of waste per min, i plan to burn them in 32 generators

[median heath]

👍

[ancient hinge]

Just to make sure fuel generator does what I think it does?

[median heath]

Takes fuel and generates, yes.

[ancient hinge]

Okay

And how hard drives works? Is it fixwd witch hard drive gives witch options or its random?

[median heath]

Random.

[ancient hinge]

Bc if its random I get rid of recycled plastic and rubber alternative recepies and than I have a lot of by product (fuel)

[cerulean stratus]

So how do I use Boolean logic with smart splitters

[vapid gorge]

you mean have multiple commands?

[cerulean stratus]

No
Actual Boolean logic

Like Or gates and And gates

[vapid gorge]

I'm not versed well enough with boolean to see how it could apply to splitters

you can use programable splittlers to have multiple commands.

if you have 2 filters on one then it's X and Y

and implicity NOT any other item

having 2 filters also lets X or Y through

if you're talking about most cuircuitry type things like minecraft redstone they have explicitely stated 'no' in videos

[wind spade]

Thread

[sharp mist]

i got 15 output and i need to split it in 3 and 12 how can i do this?

[outer vale]

just split it two ways and give it time

[hybrid granite]

Yeah that's the easiest way
The other way would be a five way split then merging four of the lines

There's not much reason to do it that way unless you're working with nuclear stuff and want to spread the radioactivity

[ancient hinge]

How can you split it fife ways

[hybrid granite]

You have it split into six, and you merge one of the lines back into the input, before it splits

[ancient hinge]

Clever

But that needs its separate building.... I think thats good only if you are sending items far far away

[hybrid granite]

Separate building? Why? It's just a couple splitters and mergers

[ancient hinge]

Oh, I forgot, my factories are small... They are the size of those splitters...

But I have a couple big in plan

[hybrid granite]

If your factories are that small, that's impressive
A five way splitter does take a decent amount more space compared to a manifold but not so much more that you should require a new building, maybe a single row of foundations

Depends how compact you make it

[ancient hinge]

Well, its not that they are compact, they are starter...

So its not very impresive is it?

[hybrid granite]

Well, then it especially doesn't matter if it takes more space
Just build more stuff, you're going to need to build big at some point

[ancient hinge]

Yeah...

[hybrid granite]

And you're pretty likely to tear down starter factories anyway
It's up to you how you play, if you want to go super compact that's one way that works, but if you're just starting out don't worry as much about restrictions, just worry about figuring out what works well for you

[ancient hinge]

I worry about power line not being a straight line

[hybrid granite]

They'll always be straight, whether it's on a grid is up to you

[ancient hinge]

I mean the graf of power... Anyways isngood idea building atleast 5GW fuel generators pp or should I wait for better pp option

[ashen girder]

Just wait until you get Thermal Generators and Particle Accelerators. 😂

[ancient hinge]

But will it be soon?

[hybrid granite]

Just use whatever you have access to, you'll be able to make better stuff as you go along and it's super easy to tear stuff down and build new stuff

[ancient hinge]

What are particle accelerators doing with Thermal gen?

[ancient hinge]

No if you are improvising... Like me

[ashen girder]

Making your power line graphs go wobbly.

[hybrid granite]

They're both build buildables that fluctuate in how much power
The particle accelerators don't use power at a consistent rate, and the thermal generators don't make it at a consistent rate

[ancient hinge]

Oh

[hybrid granite]

We're all improvising to an extent
Some players just plan more than others

[ancient hinge]

Well thermal generators probably arent an option for me...

Wdym particle accelerators do WhAT?

[hybrid granite]

They're something you have to research in the MAM

[ancient hinge]

Where they ar

[hybrid granite]

Particle accelerators change how much power they use based on which recipe they're making

[ashen girder]

And over time, they ramp.

[ancient hinge]

Oh

[hybrid granite]

What tier are you on? You might not even have to worry about any of this yet

[ancient hinge]

4

[ashen girder]

Honestly, I'm not sure it's ever really worth worrying about your power graph being flat, as long as the one line stays over the other line.

[true junco]

Real power graphs have curves.

[hybrid granite]

Oh
Yeah don't worry too much about either the thermal gens or particle accelerators, they're both much farther down the line

[ancient hinge]

But thats not satisfying, and this is satisfactory

[ruby nebula]

Healthy at every wattage.

[wind spade]

Manifold

[hybrid granite]

You can use batteries to help that a bit but it's not always going to be perfect

[ancient hinge]

What in the word manifold.means

[wind spade]

Usage? Yes. Production? No xD

[hybrid granite]

Line of splitters feeding into machines
No load balancing needed

[ancient hinge]

Oh

[hybrid granite]

Much more compact but takes longer to get every machine going

[ancient hinge]

Yeah

[sage tundra]

do you guys think using blueprints in a new world is good?

[hybrid granite]

It can help, yeah

[true junco]

Real power production graphs definitely have curves. 😆 (like real as in IRL, because we definitely throttle IRL)

[ancient hinge]

Yep

[ashen girder]

I won't stand for this thermal gen erasure.

[ruby nebula]

You don't get access to Blueprints until Steel though.

[ancient hinge]

I have steel

[wind spade]

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[ancient hinge]

Okay I get it

[wind spade]

Those are on separate grid powering critical infrastructure

[ashen girder]

Hmm. That's a pretty smart use of those.

[ancient hinge]

Why not just not use particle accelerators?

[wind spade]

For what?

[ashen girder]

Particle accelerators are consumers, not generators.

[ruby nebula]

And late-game.

[hybrid granite]

Particle accelerators are tier 8
You do not need to be concerned about them for quite some time

[true junco]

There are a lot of things folks worry about needlessly imo.

[versed violet]

hey math, I have a graph problem to solve. Or maybe its a system of 4 equations with 6 unknowns, I'm not sure.

I need to deliver caterium ingots to Location One (L1). This is the primary objective. The transfer needs to be reliable and not use any extra resources. So trucks are out, drones are out, trains are ok, since I have them hooked to geotermal, but there is lack of space in target locations.
A secondary objective is to deliver rest of the miner output to L6. Or any caterium to L6, so it has its own source.

My available caterium sources are:
C1 (bottom left of map), currently truck shipped to main base but can be redirected to L2. L2 station is out of platform space and I would rather not make a kilometer long belt all the way to L1.
C2 in the swamp - currently used/siphoning couple ingots of other factory, but I would like to untangle this, so the other factory has the caterium node to itself. Delivered via L4 station to L5 station where it gets repacked to other train.
C3 also in the swamp - 50 foundations away, and 15 cubes below from L5 station, currently unused. Would like to avoid kilometer long belt, but could potentially drop a train station by when I expand north to get the uranium from the desert (the node they split-moved that I'm using)
C4 is close to my secret plutoonium manufactury and could be hooked directly, forgoing the need to ship remainder of the node used for L1 here.

The station/train connection are as follows:
Train 1 picks from L3 and L5 and delivers to L1.
Train 2 picks from L4 and delivers to L5.
Four more trains course between L2, L8, L7 and L6, delivering "secret base" mats.

Its mostly a conundrum of where/how to load caterium into a train.
L2 has a station with dozen platforms that will mess the contents of L1 train if it stops there (it doesnt stop there). There is no space to add more stations/platfoirms, whole thing already hangs above void.
L3 has no caterium nearby.
L5 has some 'nearby' but very long belts needed.

Halp.

[versed violet]

Wall of text continued:
L2 would be convenient from logistics point of view, as it could ship caterium to both L1 and L6, but I have no idea how to load specified amount of caterium into Train 1 without clearing first three platforms that I need to use for Train 2.

[cerulean stratus]

so, is there a way to get the same functionality of a priority merger, using smart splitters and overflow?

[hybrid granite]

Priority merger? Maybe you can explain the use case and that'll make it easier to figure out how you might be able to implement it

[cerulean stratus]

In this case it's mixing 2 different resources and choosing one when the other isn't available

for example, if I want to use coal for my generators, but only when petroleum coke isn't available

But normally this conversation devolves into "make it in a way that it doesn't use priority merger and you're a dumbass for asking for them"

[hybrid granite]

It's not exactly a common use case, which I imagine is why some people might just reject the idea

[cerulean stratus]

it's not just about the use case being common
Valves are often said to be an uncommon use case, but the option IS there

wait, valves do have a priority merger

[hybrid granite]

Well, either way, I imagine there could be a way to do it with smart splitters, whether or not it's easy or practical is hard to say

[ruby nebula]

Unrelated Question: How do you make stuff show up on your map like that?

[ancient hinge]

Well, if you dont want to use belts than mix it with containera it will be faster and cheaper, I dont really see there any other variant

[ancient hinge]

Satisfactory calculator

[hybrid granite]

That's using the Satisfactory Calculator interactive map (SCIM)
You can upload your save to the site and it'll show your factories

[ruby nebula]

Never used it, so i did not know the map could look like that.
Thank you.

[hybrid granite]

Yeah I'm not really sure how this would work
I'm trying to think of how overflow would help but it wouldn't because you're looking for a lack of items, not a surplus
For generators specifically, my thought would be just have extra that only turn on when you've got all the resources going or if it's to deal with byproduct, use an Awesome Sink

[ancient hinge]

I mean you can try to make jumppads for doggos and do it that way...

[ancient hinge]

Someone designed a not gate... So we can turn lack of it into surplus

[hybrid granite]

That's not something you can automate tho?

[ancient hinge]

But its fun

Or the letsbgame it out failiure way (change doggos for trucks)

[hybrid granite]

Well sure but he's asking for a way to reliably transport items, which jump pads are not in the slightest

[ancient hinge]

You have to do it once every other time truck will teleporrtbthere

[true junco]

Well besides that. Lol.

There is a way to build a sort of priority merger. Its quite large and ungainly and far from perfect but it can be done.

Ive built one before. But i was trying to do something even more pointless and it ultimately failed for other reasons. I think the priority merger part worked at least.

[cerulean stratus]

those priority mergers look like leaky pipes to me

huge leaky pipes

they do the job, but they're huge and there's inevitably some waste

[median heath]

You are not a dumbass.
But if you feel the need for a prio merger, there is arguably a flaw in your design approach.

[cerulean stratus]

I could do it without a prio merger
But I feel like I should be allowed to do it with a prio merger

pipes are allowed prio mergers, with the vip junctions

[oblique hollow]

thats a terrible argument

VIPs are cursed voodoo jank

do not use them

[median heath]

Not exactly "allowed" as much as "accidentally discovered it can happen and have no idea how it works"

[amber umbra]

On priority merger topic (ala Factorio splitter), afaik the wiki way that uses smart splitters is the only current way to do it.

[wind spade]

in Satisfactory you don't really need priority merger anywhere

[amber umbra]

But it's kinda a pain, so everyone basically just standardizes on not bothering. I was trying to "repackage" multiple belts into 780 belts for fun as context when I was messing with it.

[cerulean stratus]

do you need overflow splitters anywhere?

[wind spade]

to guarantee 100% uptime of factories

[hybrid granite]

Yeah you use them for awesome sinks most of the time

[true junco]

This is Satisfactory. You dont need to do anything. Just enjoy the view from the drop pod.

[amber umbra]

@cerulean stratus "wiki/Balancer#Belt_compressor". That's what I was remembering. I'm rusty on whether it's exactly what you're looking for. Cheers.

[hybrid granite]

Or if you want to store a product before you make stuff with it

[ruby nebula]

the view from the drop pod.
That is one thing (but not the only thing) I hope gets improved with 1.0.

[median heath]

Huh? Why would it need changing at all?

[oblique hollow]

its kinda broken atm

or at least fell apart a bit

[median heath]

?

[oblique hollow]

the intro sequence

[median heath]

The pod or the view?

[oblique hollow]

the view from the pod, when you land

[median heath]

Was fine 2 weeks ago when I went through it 🤔

[oblique hollow]

cant quite say i had the same experience

maybe its area-specific

[true junco]

I mean specifically there is no need to actually leave the pod after it lands. Just enjoy the view. 😆

[vapid gorge]

just do a quick google. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4WCHx1W0KYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4WCHx1W0KY also basically any set up I've seen someone do with one could have been down with like 1 smart splitter elsewhere in the systesm

[cerulean stratus]

I did
This one looks like an old IBM computer

"Back in my day, computers were the size of a house!"

[vapid gorge]

well priority mergers imo are pretty pointless so I'm glad they look the part

[shy kindle]

Could someone help me fixing my blender diluted fuel setup?
There are some things that I think are not connected correctly (pipes)...I did the math multiple Times and it all adds up...

[ancient hinge]

I can try

[shy kindle]

currently troubleshooting this in design and architecture so if you want to join ...😂

[sharp mist]

why is my coal power plant doing this? i triple checked it now i i always have enough water and enough coal in it

[oblique hollow]

apparently not

one or two are struggling

[shy kindle]

or your pipes are not done right

[cinder silo]

Do you have a screenshot of your pipes, it reminds me of where someone is trying to push 360 water through a 300 pipe.

[sharp mist]

thats the problem ig yeah

but i made it with some help of an yt tutorial, so i have 2 waterpumps overclocked to 150% (360 water) and one of the pipes goes form the front in the first 4 gens and the other pipe from the back, but the both pipes are conected

i am not on my pc anymore so i cant really take a screenshot atm

[wind spade]

I'd recommend to not follow online tutorials, just experiment yourself

[sharp mist]

ik i had one builded myself but it was ugly af

i just copied the design for a good looking powerplant

[wind spade]

that way you don't learn anything though

[cinder silo]

Basic water setups as shown on the wiki.gg https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Coal_Generator

Whoops, I shouldn't have added the png as well.

Fixed the spammy booboo 🙂

[sharp mist]

so i bulded it like this

blue is pump overclocked to 150% black are gens and orange are pipes

[cinder silo]

This is a quick and dirty 16 generator plant I threw down some time back, you can easily discern the piping layout.

[shy kindle]

If anyone is good with pipes and stuff and has the time to join my world... PLEASE ANSWER!! I troubleshooted my setup the whole day and something with the refineries is just not working right

[wind spade]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 with images

[magic turret]

some guy gave me this https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MdZ8Xr8P_SF_FL7B6WDjCZGS-x9Cwt-x/view?pli=1

[shy kindle]

thank you but I was writing with the creator of said manual in the design and architecture chat 😂

he helped and explained a lot for me !!!

[vapid gorge]

@last valve fluids are easy if you try to keep things simple #streams-and-videos message

if your'e having issues with pipes I'd avoid those fluid buffers you have in line and not have the changes in elevation when making the loops to the fuel gens

[tiny fog]

Here is my coal setup https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/s/SRRLn3Rs3D

[shy kindle]

So this is my blender diluted fuel setup… the pipe inputs 600 heavy oil and distributes it as shown… for some reason some blenders dont get enough and some refinerys in the production of the heavy oil run full because of that…
(The problem is bevor the valves (10blenders) so it is not directly thier fault(I think))

[sharp mist]

do i need to worry about water dropping down in the end of the pipe if my coal gens produce constant power?

[oblique hollow]

if the generator works fine, no worries

its normal for the water to drop cause the generators drink it all up you know?

[sharp mist]

ty

[versed violet]

@wind spade Please accept my condolences for what you are going to go through after watching the latest CSS vid.

[wind spade]

recipes are usually simple, given I just read Docs.json

[versed violet]

It is going to complicate the base resource calculations. Depending on availability and cost of prune juice.

[wind spade]

not really, it's just another recipe

[upbeat tide]

Im gonna guess the whole converter stuff would just not be factored. Would be manual based on what the user has done

[versed violet]

I hope the recipe does not allow infinite loops to create resources from energy

[wind spade]

no, it'll be just another recipe, and it's up to the weights if it will be used or not

[upbeat tide]

And depending on how complex the conversions are, it may just not even be worth it. To make new uranium, caterium, quartz, etc etc

[versed violet]

does the calculator take power into account?
Or will we get a chain of iron into uranium by default as 'best' resource allocation xd?

[wind spade]

it does not

[deft lichen]

suggestion: make SAM ore off by default

*in case it shows up in pre-tier 9 recipes

[versed violet]

we dont know if its same ore yet

[wind spade]

given how little SAM is on the map, it's weight will be most likely a lot so the conversion recipes won't be "worth"

[deft lichen]

true

I'm thinking more about maximizing with world limits

ohh, max nuclear cap is probably higher now

well, most definitely given there is a new fuel rod

[versed violet]

much higher and no waste

[upbeat tide]

plus the new uranium impure node as well

[deft lichen]

they're downgrading another normal node to impure, so no change in uranium/min

[upbeat tide]

Ah didnt see that bit

[versed violet]

the waterfal node is split in two and other half moved to the desert

[true junco]

Well. I have a suspicion they just didnt discuss anything about SAM nodes on purpose for reasons. So we really have no clue if there is more, or less. Or by how much. I do suspect there will be a lot more uses for SAM than there will be SAM available tho. Like folks who want to have perfectly waste free nuclear wont have much SAM left over to do other things, and vice versa.

[sand pilot]

the converter has a bauxite to uranium recipe, there is no hard limit anymore. But SAM ore will probably be quite scarce so idk if it'll be actually useful.

[sand epoch]

Im assuming the "garbled" item is sam..

[simple moth]

3450m3/m Crude oil > 9200m3/m fuel with alt recipe in refinery and blender, correct?

[wind spade]

don't even need blenders for that, but yeah

[mental crater]

SCIM has it leaked...
(i did not share this information, neither was i aware of its existence)
(totally)

[thorny iron]

Is it possible that the Fertile Uranium recipe (Non-fissile Uranium) does not make sense for power generation purposes even if one relies on burning plutonium fuel rods

[sharp mist]

i dont need constantly 45 water in coal gens right? i need 45/min so per second its like .75

[median heath]

Yes, it is 45/min.

[vapid gorge]

but also flooded fluid systems tend to be more stable

[sharp mist]

it is stable but i had the problem that it was not so i fixed it

[thorny iron]

the recepie uses uranium resulting in lower amounts of uranium fuel rods and therefore power

[oblique hollow]

It makes more fissile material (twice as much as the other reicpe) and thus can result in more plutonium

If you want plutonium, thats thw recipe

[thorny iron]

but not enough to compensate

ok the wiki confirmed my calculations

[oblique hollow]

The efficiency of Uranium to Non-Fissile using that recipe is exactly twice as much if you ignore some uranium alts

[thorny iron]

"The fertile recipe can be used to maximize Plutonium Fuel Rod production, but the energy lost in reduction of Uranium Fuel Rod is greater than the energy gained in Plutonium Fuel Rod, which decreases overall power generation."

[oblique hollow]

Its literally just for point maximizing i think

[feral vine]

Guys if I put 2 buffers, when the train loads, both would fill and then output when fluid is transfered, should I put a pump so the buffer above fills up? or do I put the large buffers higher?

[vapid gorge]

you've got to set them up very careful, height changes are important

[deft lichen]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/9/96/Train_Station_with_600m3_Industrial_Buffers.jpg

[vapid gorge]

or this for more compact

[feral vine]

Oh thanks

pump is powered?

[vapid gorge]

best to always keep them powered otherwise they kill headlift

[deft lichen]

pretty sure this one has to be powered, else the fluid would never be able to go up into the buffer

[feral vine]

oh right

this gud?

[vapid gorge]

looks right, is the pump pointed in the right direction?

[feral vine]

yup

made sure

and is powered

[elder hill]

Would anyone be interested in a super-simple transportation calculator?

because I'm just going to host it privately on an azure domain for me and my pals, unless somebody wants it

[deft lichen]

if you'd wish to share your tool publicly, it can be linked on the wiki https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Online_tools

[elder hill]

nice

[deft lichen]

if the site is static, you can just host it on GitHub Pages or Cloudflare Pages for free

although you'll probably need a paid domain not with GH Pages

[elder hill]

do you know if anyone has already made it, with loading save-game capabilities like on https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[deft lichen]

you can check the wiki page for a list of known tools, afaik there is nothing like this, but I can't tell with certainty

[elder hill]

yeah, the azure free domain is shady as heck. you always end up with some "blackwater53.nothaxipromise.nobodyheardof.sf" domain lol.

[deft lichen]

GH pages are username.github.io/repository

e.g. https://factoriolab.github.io/satisfactory

[elder hill]

do you know if it has a basic pipeline for compiling vue3 components?

[deft lichen]

there are some workflows but I know very little about that

[elder hill]

i'll check it out. might be worth keeping the repo public so it can be used by others.

[shy kindle]

Can someone maybe join my World and help me with a Problem regarding pipes?
(I know I ask this everyday but I just cant solve it)

[deft lichen]

#1201555265942724758 if you need players to join you, #1038092680493801533 if you want to get help sooner through chat

[shy kindle]

Will do that

[ancient hinge]

me

[ancient hinge]

whats the problem?

[sharp mist]

if the recipe creates 2 per craft and it says 20/ min does it 20*2 per min or just 20?

[hybrid granite]

If it says 20/min it will output 20/min regardless of the amount produced for a single craft

[sharp mist]

okay ty

[true junco]

Yeah. Its not telling you cycles per minute.

[mental spire]

hi here do you know if i can find and where a complete ressource map updated with 1.0 changes ?

[elder hill]

i was trying to look for the same, for planning purposes

[deft lichen]

SCIM in #welcome

Or

!wikisearch 1.0

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=1.0

[sharp mist]

what is this?

[outer vale]

doesn't look very math or meta

probably just inside a building

[oblique hollow]

looks like shadown planes

seems like you have some vanished machines here

[median heath]

Mk6 belt train maths:
50 per Stack
-67.08s RtD
-1431.13 Items/min

100 per Stack
-107.08s RtD
-1793.05 Items/min

200 per Stack
-187.08s RtD
-2052.6 Items/min

500 per Stack
-427.08s RtD
-2247.82 Items/min

Fluid Trains
-107.08s RtD
-896.52 Items/min

--

Fluid Trains vs. Freight
Fluid = 1793.04/min
Mk6 Freight = 1793.05

[next pewter]

Hehe, i have the feeling the 1200 was chosen deliberately to balance these two out!

[deft lichen]

780 would've been too weird to end on, 900 is too little of an upgrade, so 1200 it is

[wind spade]

@wind scaffold see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[oblique hollow]

so what, packaged fluids with mk 6 belts are now like 0.0005% more efficient?

this feels more like a rounding error than anything

[ancient hinge]

I have a prblem

I have wire and copper ingot running on one belt, and I want to use any splitter like this: if theres no overflow (theres only copper ingot) I want it to go right, but when there is (copper ingot and wire) than I want wire to go right and copper ingot to go in centre...

[ashen girder]

Splitters can't really do logic like that.

[deft lichen]

don't mix parts if you don't know how to separate them

[ancient hinge]

thats for @cerulean stratus for https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1278343388814639184 , its not for traditional use

[ancient hinge]

come on... there has to be some way

[cerulean stratus]

you might have to use multiple splitters hold on

[deft lichen]

what are you trying to do that requires this super specific setup...?

[ancient hinge]

yeah, thats what I thought, but I cant come up with how

[ancient hinge]

you get 30 copper ingots IN, and 60 OUT

red is what makes the issue

and dont mind the unconnected things

[deft lichen]

oh, you're trying to pointlessly ratio split

[cerulean stratus]

no, something more insane
we're trying to do logic gates with logistics

[deft lichen]

"we"?

[ancient hinge]

60 = 1 and 0 = 0

[cerulean stratus]

me and maslo

[deft lichen]

oh, so this is not about factory resource distribution - I'm out

[ancient hinge]

and if you want to feed that 1 in multiple logic gates, you have to split it

[ancient hinge]

bye than

[ashen girder]

I.. would just use a logic mod.

[cerulean stratus]

I have to ask why is wire going into that belt

[ancient hinge]

but wheres fun in that

[ashen girder]

I find it more fun to build logic than build NAND gates. 😂

[ancient hinge]

bc I am using that overflow mechanic

[ancient hinge]

read it

[cerulean stratus]

we already made an and, and an inverter

so it is possible

[ancient hinge]

this...

OR is simple

[ashen girder]

I'm sure it is possible. Once you've got NAND you can build the whole thing just fine.

[ancient hinge]

oh wait you said you made OR didnt you? @cerulean stratus

[ashen girder]

NOR also works IIRC.

[cerulean stratus]

it's just a merger that then sinks overflow

any overflow

[ancient hinge]

ooh, yeah, ok, so as I thought

anyway

[cerulean stratus]

what you might want to is just replace all the wire with copper ingots, and I think the solution is to go with the same strategy as the not gate

[ancient hinge]

yeah...

but "just" isnt the right word

[ashen girder]

Probably relevant. 😂 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOR_logic

[ancient hinge]

what? that an AND gate with NOT gate at the end

[deft barn]

Is there a website or something where you say "i need 18.75 motors per minure" and it shows you how to make a layout for that?

[hybrid granite]

Check the pins for the tools, they don't really give you the layout though just the amount of machines

[fiery tinsel]

how do you make compact manifolds? I wanted to use them for my circuit board setup, but I have very little space (around 35% of a foundation)

[deft barn]

Oh darn, why did i not find this tool back when I could have made an actual factory instead of a megacloud of spaghetti.

[hybrid granite]

There's also a tool called Ficsit Companion that I found a while ago
I haven't tried it but it's node based

Might help more with the layout but idk

[velvet burrow]

random question, am i going crazy or is there a secret message in the censored clips of the new main channel quantum tech video... kinda looks like some bits in the waveform

[ancient hinge]

satisfactory tools

[oblique hollow]

tools shows you numbers but now how to connect your machines

i dont think there is any website that actually tells you how to arrange machines as that part is just too subjective

it shows how much you need to produce and where stuff needs to go, thats about it

[ancient hinge]

well, I dont know website for that but you cant be that lazy...

[hybrid granite]

Satisfactory Calculator has an "advanced view" where it shows the individual machines, splitters, and mergers but it doesn't say how to actually lay them out and I think that's for the best cause it really doesn't have a best option

[clever bay]

does anyone have a sheet of the 1.0 recipes yet? I'm trying to plan out my 1.0 game

[oblique hollow]

nah

we dont have any rate or anything

[clever bay]

kk, waiting to break out the excel and go for a max points build

[wind spade]

why excel?

would be impossible to do max build there

[sturdy viper]

Is there any fix for hyper launchers in v8? Haven't been on the game for a while 🙏

[wind spade]

fix is to not make them 😛 personally I wouldn't abuse a bug

[oblique hollow]

circular ones are busted for good as far as i know

[median heath]

Sort of, yeah.
They are basically just equal.

[shy kindle]

Just a quick question do buffers let through the headlift generated by pumps before them?

[hollow furnace]

no, they reset the headlift.

[shy kindle]

that is unfortunate... thank you

[hollow furnace]

yw

[ruby blade]

Simply place them parallel instead of inline.

[versed violet]

dumb question - is it possible to replace 2nd wagon (right after loco) with a loco, or do I have to recreate whole train?

[deft lichen]

Build a new loco at the front, remove a freight car from the back?

[deft lichen]

They do. Buffers are just big pipe segments

[versed violet]

was thinking about that, but too much stuff loaded would get mixed. I just cut the loco from front and one wagon, train had extra loco at end, then put 2 loco at front and deleted last one.

[hollow furnace]

As Ondar pointed out, they do push through the buffer, My test was just taking it's sweet time to fill the buffer and I was wrong

[vapid gorge]

A single belt along a row of machines

[mint dew]

i dont want to deal with the heavy oil resadue

[vapid gorge]

Just turn it to coke for easy awesome points , jfc

[mint dew]

i am doing that now

[clever bay]

cant you turn it into plastic and rubber?

or turbo fuel

[calm mauve]

or even just diluted fuel

[clever bay]

yea you can make turbo fuel with some coal and sulfur https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production/index/json/{"Desc_LiquidTurboFuel_C"%3A"1"%2C"input"%3A{"Desc_HeavyOilResidue_C"%3A"1"}%2C"altRecipes"%3A["Recipe_Alternate_TurboHeavyFuel_C"]}

put that in some generators and you're good to go

[inner portal]

whats the move for fuel generators? do i use all the oil to make fuel and make plastic containers from the resin and water or should i have some dedicated plastic refineries and make diluted fuel from the heavy oil residue?

[calm mauve]

i'd make a separate rubber plastic factory from the fuel generator ones

[wind spade]

use all oil to make diluted fuel 🙂

you can then make plastic/rubber out of the fuel

and yeah, have separate factory for plastic/rubber and separate for fuel

[inner portal]

so i'd use this recipe for all the crude oil?

and then go from there?

[wind spade]

yeah

[inner portal]

alright, i've got this in plan for these nodes here, should i start on the project or do you think it'll be a hassle to transfer to turbofuel later on

[wind spade]

I do not think turbofuel is worth it

[fringe pond]

can i ask u what app did u use for this diagram ?

[vapid gorge]

The calculator on SCIM

It’s a poor calculator though

Try https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production

[fringe pond]

thanks

[cloud tree]

So ive seen many tutorial videos for coal power using 3 water extractors connected to one mk1 pipe. Why does this work? Isnt mk 1 pipe 300m3 water and 3 extractors 3x 120m3 (360m3) water?

[outer vale]

they're generally laid out such that no individual pipe segment needs to handle more than 300

[cloud tree]

Now twice ive seen them connecting 3 extractors to one pipe and that one pipe going up with a pump and than manifolding to the generators? That would mean after the 3rd is connected its 360 going up?

[ashen girder]

It isn't, no.

They're only pushing 300 if they're all going through one mk 1 pipe.

[cloud tree]

So how would you guy generally approach this to make the most
Clean build, connect 2 extractors to one pipe
Mk1 , entering the manifold from point a (the start of the coal gens), and than connect the other extractor to the end of the manifold?

[ashen girder]

I split one into two and run a pipe to either end, personally.

[deft lichen]

!wikisearch Coal+Generator

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Coal+Generator

[deft lichen]

this is why it works, no pipe needs more than 300

(this applies to all layouts in the diagram above)

[ashen girder]

Note that the 3rd image is effectively what I said, what matters is there are two connections from extractors to pipes.

[cloud tree]

Allright thanks for this, indeed the 2nd option in this image is what i just described. I find it interesting to learn how stuff actuallt works so i learn how to make stuff instead of only reproducing things and dont understand the why.

[cloud tree]

Yeh i thought so, thanks

[outer vale]

tbh I just use 1 underclocked extractor directly connected to 2 gens

[ashen girder]

Heresy!

[cloud tree]

Well i was thinking about a big plant 64 gens, do you guys place 2 rows of generators facing eachother? Or all facing the same way, and than with a logistics floor?

[outer vale]

2 rows

I usually don't have a logistics floor for the coal, but a lil space underneath for piping

usually I build the gens above the water extractors, so the 2:1 tiles neatly which is always nice

[cloud tree]

I just cant seem to figure out how to make a logistics floor clean and conveinient to build. Imo it always takes so long to make the 180 pipe curves (going down) and conveiyer lifts and heigher up splitters etc. I dont really know how to utilize the blue prints for this

[wind spade]

I wouldn't build logistic floor 🙂

[ashen girder]

Ceiling and wall mounts help a lot.

[cloud tree]

Thanks ill look into that too. Same went for when i made the plastic and refinery stuff in another safe (i didnt play for a long time) it just felt i took way to long to build something, like if i was missing the knowledge on whats practical

[ashen girder]

Honestly, whenever I've planned a factory out in more detail, it's gone way faster. That takes a buttload of brainpower from me though.

[uncut pawn]

For my future use

Max uranium -> 2100/min
Encased Uranium Cells: 25 in 20 out -> 1680/min
Uranium Fuel Rod: 20 in 0.6 out -> 50.4/min

Reactors: 0.2 in 10 out -> 252 Reactors, 2520 Waste/min

Non Fissile: 37.5 in 50 out -> 3360/min
Plutonium Pellets: 100 in 30 out -> 756/min
Encased plutonium cells: 10 in 5 out -> 378/min
Fuel Rod: 10 in 0.5 out -> 18.9/min

Reactors 0.1 in 1 out -> 189 reactors, 189 plutonium waste a min

441 reactors total. 1.1TW power total

[vapid gorge]

in 1.0 more uranium on the map, recipes are changing, and you can, if you really want, convert more material to uranium

[uncut pawn]

Yea ive heard, means I can waste even more time

[wind spade]

afaik it's same amount of uranium

[hollow epoch]

and you could then also use the new fuel rods

[manic mulch]

I cannot wait to retrofit my HMF and CMP factories and remove the screws.

I only have like 3 active manufacturers right now so it won't be too much of a hit.

[tender gust]

If have a pipe with a junction one going down and one going straight. The straight part leads to my fuel gen, and the down leads to emergency fuel storage and the two pipes later reconnect, with a valve on the emergency side. If my input of fuel stops, will the system pull the fuel out of the emergency storage from where the two split or only when I open the valve?

[wind spade]

you shouldn't use valves at all

[tender gust]

Then should I keep my emergency fuel on an isolated network for if/when I need it?

[median heath]

Shouldn't need emergency fuel 🤷‍♂️

[wind spade]

fill, disconnect, keep disconnected

or just use priority power switches

[royal yacht]

I wanna try my hand at making some load balancer blueprints but I don't really understand the maths behind them

can someone explain how the 1:5 one was designed as it having recursion throws me off

[median heath]

Willingly making balancers?

I retract all cat photos.

[royal yacht]

lmao

I will probably still mainly use manifolds

I just figure I should get around to at least understanding load balancer maths even if I never use them

[median heath]

The recursion part of the math is how it was designed.

Math first, then actual building design.

[royal yacht]

yeah but I have no idea how to calculate it at all

like no clue which branch of maths to go down to even work out how to theoretically solve a 1/5 split with only 1/2 and 1/3

[median heath]

You type "1:5 belt balancer" into Bing image search. 😉

[royal yacht]

:p

[versed violet]

Two simple principles:

1. A splitter will always split equally to all connected outputs, in round robin style. (unless one of belts is full and skips the turn)
2. A merger will always pick form each belt in turn, round robin style, unless some belts are too slow and 'miss' their turn.
   Observe, that you can route into merger more than its output belt can handle, and merger must pick up from every input belt in turn.
   If you split the output into 6 parts eqaully by principle 1, then route one of the parts back to merger, taking advantage of principle 2, the end result will be 5 parts coming out and 1 part circling around inside.

[wind spade]

split into 6, loop back one, so you have split into 5

[royal yacht]

omfg

it's that simple... how have I only just realised that

[median heath]

1/6 = 0.166666666-
Loop 1 back means
0.16666666/5 = 0.033333333- to each.
0.166666666- + 0.03333333- = 0.2 to each.

Confirming ratio:
0.2 = 1/5 👍

[deft lichen]

Wait, can't you easily make any 1:n balancer that way?

1:7 is 1:8 but merge 1 back

[wind spade]

yes

1:X is equal to 1:X-N and merging N back

[median heath]

Simple math do be simple.

[royal yacht]

yeah I was like "oh that explains 1:5 makes sense" and didn't fully consider the next steps of that, read the wiki again and went "OH MY GOD THAT MAKES SENSE NOW"

[median heath]

1 / =

[oblique hollow]

= 1

=

[median heath]

= Life

[next pewter]

Is that a masked stinger? 🧐

[mental crater]

masked singer stinger

[median heath]

🎤

[vapid gorge]

I could have sworn they were adding 300

[wind spade]

and changing one normal to impure

[median heath]

Nah, they broke a normal into 2 impures. So it's the same amount.

[vapid gorge]

You shouldn’t split the manifolds on elevations either

[torn quarry]

im too lazy to to think, which is better turbo fuel or turbo fuel blend?

[median heath]

You're going to hate the answer if you don't want to think...

Because "better" is subjective.

[torn quarry]

wwhat do each favor?

i take it blend is the more 'sloppy' one

[calm mauve]

it needs a blender iirc

[median heath]

Blend costs more oil but less sulfur.
Regular costs more sulfur but less oil.

Pick which resource you care about.

[torn quarry]

they both cost same amount of coal?

is one faster? how about heavy turbo fuel?

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch turbo_fuel

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=turbo_fuel

[copper light]

Hey all, I'm planning a megabase with 1.0 release and am hopeful there are some datamined resources at least around starting areas, along with updated calculators and requirements for the various Space Elevator tiers. Can anyone direct me to the most current resources for such planning, please and thanks?

[calm mauve]

they arnt 1.0 compatible yet

[proper belfry]

The only information available is what the devs gave us. IIRC SCIM has a map with the rough node changes from the dev videos but that's all

[versed violet]

Any idea if nut shrubs occur in patches anywhere? I know the berries do and there is two spots in grass plains with dozen of them in one place, but is there similar thing for nuts?

not asking for bacon shrooms, cause they dont grow back

[torn quarry]

is there a way to refine bauxite without coal?

[versed violet]

there is an alt recipe

[calm mauve]

all your answers can be found here. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production

[torn quarry]

ok nope, there is a way to get alumina solution, but not ingots, which, idk there are a few things that use the one but not the other but not many

[versed violet]

you need to process alumina into scrap then smelt those into ingots

[vapid gorge]

follow the chain on the wiki

you can use oil instead of coal

[torn quarry]

ye, cool i guess

i had never realized how uncommon sulfur is until now

[median heath]

1. Why is that spoilered?
2. It isn't rare compared to its uses.

3. The only people who have sulfur issues are people who actively choose to make Turbofuel for power.

Max Nuke + ALL Bauxite using Instant Scrap still leaves enough sulfur for hundreds of Batteries per minute.

[vapid gorge]

@main thicket where is hte belt of 42 coming from? and where is it going to?

[main thicket]

its coming from a train station and going into manufacturers i think but i just did it a manifold so its solved now

[vapid gorge]

manifolds always work it's true.

[torn quarry]

nuclear is annoying because it requires so many different resources to craddle to grave it, with a bit of external help its managable but still a pain

[main thicket]

yeah they just take some time but its alright

[median heath]

Ah my eyes

😫

[vapid gorge]

yeah that's a terrible planner UI

[main thicket]

btw why sometimes when i add 2 or 3 water extractors in one line only one is working and the others are just idling?

[median heath]

Read the description for pipes.

Then do 120 * 3 - 300 👍

[cinder silo]

Planning nuclear as one huge plan is just asking for a headache, break it down in to smaller plans for the sake of sanity.

[torn quarry]

ive already isolated electromagnetic rods, pressure cubes and oscillators

[clever bay]

anyone have the numbers for a max point build for 1.0 yet? Including power items needed

[median heath]

We don't know all the items nor their point amounts so that would be impossible.

[clever bay]

frick, k

[median heath]

Also, why would you want everything solved for you before the game is even released?

[clever bay]

oh no I don't want everything solved. I just need to know the goal. I like figuring out placement and designing factories, just hard to know what final numbers i should work with

[median heath]

Numbers would be "solved."

[vapid gorge]

you're aware your computer will melt before you can process all the resources on the map right?

[clever bay]

oh for sure, doesn't mean I can't try

[median heath]

🤔

[vapid gorge]

I'm not sure about starting a goal that is essentially physically impossible, especially since there's even more resource pm availability on the map in 1.0 than now, but sure

[clever bay]

Not in my opinon. Like last year i looked up the max amount of assembly director systems and thermal propolsion rockets per min. The rest I did myself

[clever bay]

eh that's part of the fun for me, that and the story is what I'm looking forward to in 1.0

[median heath]

@vapid gorge are you proud of me? I didn't say ||Imagine automating Project Parts.|| this time. 😮

[vapid gorge]

nah, cause I know you suggested it once for yourself and you're forever sullied now

[torn quarry]

is 200 batteries per minute enough?

[median heath]

You are the sole person who can answer that question.

[torn quarry]

like, with a decent amount of drones

like what is aproxamately the consumtion rate of batteries per drone?

[median heath]

You are the one who builds the drones in your world.
So you are the only one who can know what your drone battery consumption is.

[torn quarry]

can i have like a rule of thumb

[median heath]

No, because there isn't one.

[calm mauve]

the rule of thumb would be. take your production and subtract each drone port consumption. if anser is less then zero you have a problem

[torn quarry]

whats like the formula for drone battery consumtion