math-and-meta

[median heath]

Everything non-oil in 45's
Everything Rubber/Plastic in 81's.
Simple.

[pseudo cedar]

Production, consumption?

[median heath]

Output.

[pseudo cedar]

275.625/81 is 3.4027777777… so is this one of the pipe things where you bent the rule?

Or are computers screwy as I said xD

[median heath]

275.625 / 45 = 6.125

Computers are not Rubber nor Plastic.

[deep citrus]

your production and machine numbers all depend on your planning really

[pseudo cedar]

Sorry for the fandom it came up first

[median heath]

Imagine using Fandom....................

[pseudo cedar]

Again it came up first. I’m on my phone

[deep citrus]

use the wiki.gg wiki

[pseudo cedar]

Point stands, though

[median heath]

What point? All you did was link an image with no context.

[pseudo cedar]

I know. It’s bookmarked on my computer. But I’m trying to get something fast

[deep citrus]

yeah they pay for that

[pseudo cedar]

Plastic. Your screenshot includes plastic

[median heath]

So what?

Plastic = Plastic
Comptuer =/= Plastic

[pseudo cedar]

.

[median heath]

..

[pseudo cedar]

To be clear, 84/81 is also not a nice division

[median heath]

🤦‍♂️

I'm done trying to explain.

Play how you want, I do not care.

[pseudo cedar]

I’m being a bit of a dick, I know, but I’m genuinely curious

[deep citrus]

this is just how they decided to do these things

[wind spade]

Product is computer, intermediates are irrelevant

[pseudo cedar]

Does the rule work whether or not the products are different? If so, why

[deep citrus]

try to not be one /gen

[pseudo cedar]

Because producing 84 boards, alone, does break the rule

So why does producing 84 boards in order to produce computers not break the rule

[wind spade]

Where did Sev say 84 boards is fine?

It's 84 machines making boards, not 84 boards

[pseudo cedar]

Yeah I’m a dipshit. Lol

[wind spade]

The rule is related to items/min, not number of machines

[pseudo cedar]

But also, because I had to check, 735/81 isn’t clean either

[wind spade]

Boards are 45

They are not plastic or rubber

[pseudo cedar]

So 16.33333333…

[wind spade]

The division is also irrelevant

Point is that making things in multiples of 45 leads to non-repeating decimals on machines

Which it does - it's 84 machines

[pseudo cedar]

If you’re building in multiples of 45, the production count not dividing cleanly into 45 should, as far as I can tell, break the rule

Because every number is a multiple of 45 if “multiple” can mean repeating decimals and the like

[wind spade]

No, because recipes put more numbers in it

[pseudo cedar]

Hence, the book?

[wind spade]

Book is just what I said, but longer

#math-and-meta message

[pseudo cedar]

You could have just … said this

[wind spade]

I don't remember the book by head

[pseudo cedar]

I would assume sev does, given that he made a tree with it, and he didn’t say this

[deep citrus]

"the book"?

[wind spade]

#math-and-meta message

[deep citrus]

yeah I saw it

why is it named like that

[pseudo cedar]

So I guess the answer to my question is “you found an exception”

[wary tulip]

Um, why not just dump overflow into the grinder?

[pseudo cedar]

Because perfectionism

Which to some degree I get

[wary tulip]

Eh, I just push for functionality and good architecture. The math is less important.

[wind spade]

Long texts are usually called that in discord

[pseudo cedar]

Is the book worthy of a pin, or no

[wind spade]

Not really

[deep citrus]

Sev gets perfectionism for that tiny production loss and I do for the /m production numbers (or as close as the game can get to them then I guess lol)

[wind spade]

Production loss?

[deep citrus]

idk, words

[pseudo cedar]

It’s not even. Go a little over and it evens itself out.

[deep citrus]

what would you call it

[pseudo cedar]

It’s the power imperfection, I guess

The machine turns off for a second

[wind spade]

I'm not sure what you're talking about so idk how to name it

[oblique hollow]

Productivity loss

[deep citrus]

that's better

[oblique hollow]

Efficiency is the same but machine uptime varies

[wind spade]

Oh right the message could be understood in a different way, I got confused

[pseudo cedar]

It’s the extreme of “I’m not just going to leave the screw constructor taking 20/min when the supply is 15/min and let it turn off for 25% of the time”

I wonder how sev’s early game is before MAM/underclock unlocks

[wind spade]

You can unlock that almost instantly

[regal wyvern]

The most accurate words I've seen for it are "Duty Cycle" which is a representation of what % of time the machine is active

[wind spade]

And early game recipes are friendly

[pseudo cedar]

Yes, almost, I know

[wind spade]

That's usually just "efficiency"

Or machine efficiency

[pseudo cedar]

The screw example is a little annoying

Concrete moreso because early on you’re more focused on maxing out the node and without underclock that means having one machine being off half the time

[wind spade]

You shouldn't ever think about "maxing a node" imo

[pseudo cedar]

Early on you want as much concrete as you can make

Normally I agree

[old plover]

everything is in 9s 🤯

[wary tulip]

Yeah, early game maxing the nodes is quite important.

[median heath]

Not how it works.

[old plover]

i know

[pseudo cedar]

I mean everything in 405s is the real rule

[median heath]

No.

[pseudo cedar]

It’s universal, ish

CCB and 2 bad recipes don’t follow it perfectly

[median heath]

Technically it is the 5.625 - 10.125 rule, but we went up to the nearest integer because it sounds better.

[wind spade]

Which can always be more nodes, and don't necessarily need to max nodes.

Also clocking exists

[pseudo cedar]

Basically as early as I can possibly make a miner, constructor, and belt, I want to start making concrete. This is typically before the damn tutorial ends

Clocking requires field research

That’s a lot of concrete in the meantime

And in northern forest, you have one concrete node near the objectively correct starting place

[wind spade]

Field research does not need concrete

[pseudo cedar]

There’s one around the corner but you could also collect leaves to make other items

[wind spade]

Objectively bad place

[pseudo cedar]

Near quartz, near coal, near 2 copper and 4 iron. Objectively good place

[wind spade]

In a game which forces you to spread out?

And tells you to build outposts?

Thta place has also almost 0 building space

[pseudo cedar]

I’m aware of that, but it might be nice to get quartz before you start doing that

You know, for some speed when you’re running back for more concrete

[pseudo cedar]

Up and over the side

[wind spade]

Which you need because you picked a loc that needs a lot of concrete to build a place

[pseudo cedar]

There’s a reason it’s the speedrun start

[vapid gorge]

build up!

[wind spade]

Speedrun strat is completely different from normal playthrough

[pseudo cedar]

Jesus dude you really like circles lol

[vapid gorge]

speed runs use the drop pods for hte most of it

[pseudo cedar]

Yeah, but if you’re trying to do the early game quickly there’s no better spot

[vapid gorge]

good thing it's getting nuked

[pseudo cedar]

Quartz, caterium, coal, all the iron you can ask for

[vapid gorge]

not for long

[pseudo cedar]

Honestly yes. But in the meantime I’m abusing the crap out of it

The desert is probably the new best start, so I’m going to start a game there and learn it better before 1.0 once I’m done with ADS production

[wind spade]

Early game you don't really need a lot of concrete unless you for some reason decide to pave the world

[pseudo cedar]

I mean pave the sky, but effectively yes

Again, that spot needs concrete

And I build high up

[vapid gorge]

sky factories are bad for your comps health

[pseudo cedar]

It’s fiiiiine

[vapid gorge]

also hideous

[pseudo cedar]

Better looking than what I build on the ground I’ll tell you that much

[vapid gorge]

it hits your resources much harder and sky logistics are jsut a pain. In every way are skyfactories worse

[pseudo cedar]

I put oil and alu on the ground because piping up foundations is expensive on my power network, but iron? Copper? Steel? They go up high

I’m not averse to learning how to stay on the ground but that means unless I learn how to build well it’s going to look worse

[regal wyvern]

Why would up in the sky be worse on the machine? It doesn't have to render the world, right? Or do you just end up with way more building blocks?

[pseudo cedar]

Shadows I would guess

[vapid gorge]

far more lighting physics with shadows, renders far further out as you can see more

[pseudo cedar]

Also on the ground it can typically skip half the foundation render

[regal wyvern]

Ahhh I see

[vapid gorge]

it's an issue I've seen in most sandboxes that have light physics and buliding

[regal wyvern]

So my cool skybridge train passing over the forst for sightseeing is probably hurting my machine

[pseudo cedar]

Oh running a train up high is objectively the best way to run a train

[vapid gorge]

a single bridge? prob not a huge amount

[pseudo cedar]

You could run this game on a 960 if you were willing to sacrifice your factory looking cool

[vapid gorge]

hugging hte ground #design-and-architecture message

[pseudo cedar]

I mean it’s cool, but it seems like a looot more work than some of the cool skybridge designs I’ve seen

[vapid gorge]

it's pretty quick once you know how to curve

[regal wyvern]

Traditionally I've built roads along the ground for belts and piping, but I've been playing around with trains in a creative save and thought all the hilly terrain would use extra power so I was thinking of just skybridging just above the trees.

[vapid gorge]

honestly just get a mod that flattens the map if you insist on building in the sky

[pseudo cedar]

I mean you could also build under the ground if you don’t want to mod

I just think the train trick is a little too cheaty

[vapid gorge]

plenty of ways to get under the map w/o clpping

[pseudo cedar]

Yeah but train trick works basically anywhere

Idk I’m willing to learn how to build… normally but I have no damn idea where to start

Other than “not in the northern forest” but still

[analog meteor]

how fast can you beat sf

whast the world record if there is one.

[pseudo cedar]

With duping, 1:47:39

For all 4 packages

Actually 1:46:31 now

Though that one isn’t in src yet

[flat raptor]

This is originally a reddit post i made, but im also puting it here, feel free to help if you have a fix.

also there might be some weird phrasing since im not native to english, so tell me if anything dosent make sense and imma do my best to clarify

[oblique hollow]

6.66666 x 15 = 100/min coal

[flat raptor]

fucking hell so my math was right but i did it wrong

[oblique hollow]

dealing with full pipes first instead of full belts is the odd part

full pipes arent much more beneficial than just piping in what you need for a line of, say, 8 generators
which would need 120/min coal and 360/min water

[regal wyvern]

Yeah. You need 3 pumps per 8 gens, or 21 pumps for 56 gens

[oblique hollow]

doing one or the other yields you to non full belts or pipes

[flat raptor]

i never liked the way pipes work. idk why i never make them work the way they need to work. so i've almost always used full pipies for projects.
and yes, my first save wasn't with optimised factories.. that's why im used to that maybe

[oblique hollow]

so you can pick
decimal generator numbers, full pipes, non-full belts
or
full belts, integer generator numbers, non full pipes

[median heath]

Why would fullness of belt ever matter?
Like... ever?
Correct amount being sent is what determines if things work or not.

[regal wyvern]

I mean it's not that bad. At the end of the day you need X water per minute, which requires Y pumps. "Full pipes" just adds an extra step and more toom for error.

[oblique hollow]

its their choice on how they wanna handle using their miners

[flat raptor]

i dont have great quality coal deposits and i really want to use them to their fullest extent

[median heath]

Node purity is another thing that doesn't matter.

Correct total amount is correct total amount.

[flat raptor]

get as much power as i can out of the most ammount of coal i can get

[median heath]

But that isn't what your post said?

It said you care about water amount.

[flat raptor]

yeah i explained it wrong as i said im not native and idk why while typing it made sense.
aight so the issue is getting all the coal i can get to my factory without loosing any resources

[oblique hollow]

losing in what way?

[median heath]

There is no loss.

[flat raptor]

i guess just getting the most out of everything? like getting all the coal in the area and using just the right ammount of everything

[median heath]

How much coal are you moving?

[flat raptor]

1200

[oblique hollow]

whats your highest belt mk?
mk 2?

[median heath]

1200 / 15 = 80 Generators
8: 3 is Gen : Water so you need 30 Water Extractors.

Done.

How many belts or pipes that all gets split between is truly irrelevant, because Supply = Demand.

[oblique hollow]

this can be done as 10 groups of 8 generators with 3 extractors each
or 16 to 6
or any other multiple of 8 to 3

[flat raptor]

mk1 right now, as i said im with friends that are new to the game
(havent specified that i let em do most of the work so they figure things out and when they arent here i just work with what we arl got and let em do the upgrades and figuring out factories themselves)

[median heath]

Oh, multiplayer.

🚶‍♂️

[oblique hollow]

if you only have such slow conveyors available....
consider not using 1200/min at your stage

getting 600 MW out of 120/min is pretty strong already

[flat raptor]

i mean i can move 270/mn this isn't too much struggle

[oblique hollow]

so you have access to steel then?

[flat raptor]

yes

[oblique hollow]

right. then you can just move 5 x 240/min on a mk 3 belt and ignore the spare capacity you have left on them

[flat raptor]

aigh imma work on that

thanks a lot

[oblique hollow]

240/min coal can supply a group of 16 generators

so thats rather simple.

As for piping:
you know pipes can move in both directions, right?

[flat raptor]

yup

you want to maybe try and pipe em from both side?

[oblique hollow]

yep

[flat raptor]

that would work but that would mean i need to do my whole water system from scratch :(

[oblique hollow]

its much harder to adapt a piping system in a way that wouldnt turn it into a complex cancer-like structure

[flat raptor]

wait not actually

[oblique hollow]

simple piping is preferred over complex piping

[flat raptor]

that would 100% work with my system nvm

[oblique hollow]

im sure you can reuse the pipes

[flat raptor]

just need to switch some things around

my bad

[oblique hollow]

just reconnect the water extractors in a different order

that should work out

as for pipeline pumps:
if your generators are above your water extractors, a pipeline pump right in front of a water extractor is safer than trying to guess where "10 m height" is

its just not worth the risk and 20 m for 4 MW is cheap

[flat raptor]

i had no plans until now to make it multiple floor high... but that might actually me a good idea to spare me space

[oblique hollow]

i wouldnt go too crazy with height when it comes to fluids

but a little bit of verticality is usually fine

[flat raptor]

ill maybe put in behind my water extractors just a little higher (maybe 12meters or something) if i do that

just do i can use the space for later farms or pathways.

[regal wyvern]

You could measure the height with foundations, but maybe that's more futzing than you want

[oblique hollow]

beams or walls are a bit easier for that

[flat raptor]

beams my beloved

[regal wyvern]

I use foundations because I stack them to a certain height and then begin my platform directly from there, but yeah lots of measurement options

[flat raptor]

also quick question. is there something like a wiring system or logic system you unlock down the line? like what you'd fing in shapez that would let you disable or enable things with math gates and stuff? (haven't played in like 2 years, haven't seen the new stuff)

[median heath]

No.

Isn't needed at all, so it's mod-only. 🤷‍♂️

[flat raptor]

:(

[lapis copper]

how do you get exact building counts? i almost never get that

[median heath]

Stop solving forwards.

Pick your target and solve backwards from there.

[royal yacht]

tbf the 45:81 thing is kinda important too for integer building counts

[tawdry lynx]

Anyone know any sites where I'm able to map out production lines like this? im currently using notepad but I wanna try find someone more clean to use on website form, iv tried running along with satisfactory calculator but its just not to my taste.

[royal yacht]

what functionality specifically are you looking for?

because I think I understand what your issue with the calculator is but I'm not entirely sure

[burnt wraith]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production is the other option

[deft lichen]

it won't tell you the overclock of individual machines, just their count

14.5x Assembler = 1450%, distribute it how you want

[tawdry lynx]

I wanna find smth along the lines of notepad and a mix of excel where I'm able to write stuff down in catagories and check them off once completed, and possibly a way to link different catagories to each other so for example the line im doing now, I can make a Steel ingot catagory in the list and link it to the steel pipes and industrial beams. but so far on my search I havent rlly found anything, so I just popped in here to see if anyone might know anything along the lines of smth like this.

[deft lichen]

have a look at https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Online_tools#Factory_planners

[versed violet]

If you want it fully locally, use spreadsheet (calc, excel etc). Notepad doesnt cut it, spreadheets can be made interactive and recalculate counts for you.

[royal yacht]

ok yeah some of that is stuff I've noticed. IDK if any of that ties into greeny's updates for one of the calculators but I was considering similar stuff

[carmine iron]

100k MW just with oil

[deft lichen]

there's a bunch of planners in the wiki page I linked

[deft lichen]

#screenshots

[carmine iron]

i forgot to mention but it was to show how diluted fuel can enhance a standart fuel power plant ; )

40k => 100K

[median heath]

100 GW*

[carmine iron]

same

[median heath]

Not really.

100k MW = I do not understand metric in any capacity.
100 GW = Correct.

[carmine iron]

"k" widely known has "tHoUsAnD"

anyways i done with pipe

[median heath]

Because what would you call max nuke?
1.19kk MW?

[carmine iron]

yes

[median heath]

🤮

[carmine iron]

my save, my metric system

[median heath]

My block button 🤷‍♂️

[carmine iron]

i will do it for u

[royal yacht]

100m KW

[median heath]

No no, keep editing 😁

Seeing it change every 4s was what I thought you were going for!

[median heath]

100KnW 😉

KitsunekoWatts 😉

👀

[deep citrus]

100m kW would be 100 Watts because m and M are different things

[royal yacht]

shh

[royal yacht]

that would be funny af but no I just had a moment of sanity questioning, which is how you know I'm doing something intentionally stupid instead of just stupid

[median heath]

Instead of Joules, which is Watts over Time, this is Watts over distance (meters).

New measuring type. 😛

[royal yacht]

kilowattmetres...

[median heath]

☝️

[deep citrus]

that doesn't make any sense

[royal yacht]

would be much easier to try and BS what that would even be if I had any undersanding of kilowatthours

[royal yacht]

I like that, definitely using it in future factories

one kitsunekowatt will be equal to one power factory's output, with 0 distinction over whether that means one set of 8 coal generators or about 6 fuel generators

[versed violet]

Do note that ingame values are inflated by factor of thousand.
for example, a constructor is basically a hydraulic press and uses 4MW, but real life hydraulic press would be in 4Kw range. It falls apart a bit when we consider coal power plants.

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production

[wind spade]

k = kilo = 10^3 in metric.

[topaz jetty]

That is as a prefix to a unit not at the end of a number

[oblique hollow]

k still means kilo, aka thousand

so 100k is literally 100 kilo or 100 thousand

[main dragon]

Wait a minute...
Wasn't kg known as kilogram?

[deft lichen]

huh? kg is a kilogram

it's 1000 grams

[oblique hollow]

saying just kilo is common when talking about kilograms
But k is not shorthand for kilogram.
just for the 1000 part, kilo

[main dragon]

Fr lol... Maybe 100K is 100 Kelvin 😂

[regal wyvern]

Only if it's a capital K

[deep citrus]

K is kelvin and k is kilo

[regal wyvern]

Science is case sensitive

[wind spade]

One is correct, other one is wrong

[deep citrus]

kilo just means a thousand

like kg means a thousand grams

it is kinda stupid that the base units are m, L, W, J, etc but then for mass it's kg not g

[regal wyvern]

everyone decided grams were too damn small

[deep citrus]

yeah ig

[regal wyvern]

Though they could have just decided that a cubic centimeter of water is one milligram and everything would have been fine. But here we are

[deep citrus]

it's very cool how so many things in the metric system are based around water

water is a very pog compound

[regal wyvern]

Well, they were originally. I think they've since been redefined

Haven't looked recently, though

[deep citrus]

well it's that many conversions work really well and cleanly around water

of course the "anchor" of the base units has changed to be things in nature and the universe

like how long a meter is is like a suuuuuuuuuper specific fraction of time in which that time light travels a meter

well actually I think kg-s have to do with water

well they were defined with water and then they went through different weights and they're defined with water again

well

hm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_base_unit#Definitions

[median heath]

Colorful!

[versed violet]

There is only one unit 😁

[pseudo cedar]

Reminds me of the C C C C C measurement system

[crisp lava]

Any ideas on how to make this very early factory more efficient and productive?

[river night]

the thing with making early game more productive is to leave it quickly and then make a proper factory 😄

you dont exactly have much choices, if you are constantly waiting for something .. make another constructor for it

thats about it

[crisp lava]

thx

[median heath]

I can show you my last layout if you want 🤷‍♂️

[carmine iron]

flat line

[signal raptor]

Is your inventory modded? I cant find a way to get all that inventory space

[median heath]

#rules English server.

[carmine iron]

yes

such a time saver

[signal raptor]

I bet

[tame harbor]

Wdym you don't like taking 4-5 trips back and forth from your main base/storage place to build out a fuel generator plant

[oblique hollow]

wdym you dont take a train full of stuff with you?

[carmine iron]

even with huge inventory i have to do a lot a travel

700 power plant

[median heath]

wdym you don't set up automated delivery so you don't have to take anything with you?

[oblique hollow]

ok but thats kinda a problem you created on your own
Building 700 generators is insanity

[carmine iron]

yes but you krnow, i need power

[oblique hollow]

build 100, go nuclear

[carmine iron]

place all one by one

around 3000m3 of oil used

[crisp lava]

sure

[median heath]

Bottom is Plates, Rod, Rebar
Middle is RIPs
Top is Rotors

[crisp lava]

nice

this will be useful in the future thank you

[median heath]

Second floor: All of this is just Modular Frames 😄

[flat raptor]

rounding error/unefficient splitter?

i've got a setup with x2 8 coal generatror each using 15 coal.
the water levels are good and there is no overflow/underflow of fluids.

i got a 240/s belt of coal splitting in two for each part of the factory.
the 240/s belt is sometimes stopping/stuttering for no apparent reason.
both the 120/s belt are full and arent stopping/stuttering.
is there any reason my 240/s belt going into a splitter should stop
or is it just a rounding error of the internal game logic and only a visual bug?

also, this might be a multiplayer issue, but i haven't tested for it. it isn't likely tho,
would not see why would be an issue.

sorry for asking so many questions lately but im encountering problems i've never had before update 7-8
i am looking to perfect my knowledge before 1.0 so feel free to educate me :)

this is where the splitter has an issue

[versed violet]

mk3 belt is 270/min. This might mean it is feeding 270 then stopping for a moment before other belts pick up

[flat raptor]

holy fucking shit it's 270 im a dumbass

i've been trying to trubble shoot for an hour

and i just figured it was double last tier

im so stupid

[versed violet]

nope

[flat raptor]

thanks for the help :)

[versed violet]

data error, not stupidity error

[flat raptor]

idk why im used to tiers generally making double/using double of what last tier was (or 1.5)

my bad sorry for taking your time i should've tought of that

thanks a lot, you're a legend :)

aight here's why i tought it was 240. i got a mk1 miner overclocked on a pure node making 240/s but since it was full of coal it had trouble of emptying it's inventory
so that's why it was 270/s and not 240/s.. it would've fixed itself but i sped up the process manually

i guess i should start by the beginning of the chain next time

[versed violet]

even if miner is 240 and your generators consume 240, you may see some jerkiness in the belt

[carmine iron]

anyone know how much sulfur there is in the map ?

[flat raptor]

100% speed

250% overclock

my bad cropped it wrong

[carmine iron]

nice thanks

[flat raptor]

well you get it

anymore questions go the the wiki, it almost has everything

[carmine iron]

No more question thanks 😇

[versed violet]

Mind that the answer is valid only for 2 more months.

[vapid gorge]

seems fine?

[deft lichen]

Reminder that the Fandom wiki is not maintained
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Satisfactory_Wiki

[sand epoch]

It's a wiki... why would it be?

[deep citrus]

what?

[sturdy cypress]

can someone explain priority mergers on manifolds and how to set one up?

I think i will be needing one at the arrow, but im not sure. I have 2 belts (one at 780, one at 588) coming in from the right. each refinery uses 150, with the rightmost refinery only using 18. after the rightmost 5 refineries use up almost all the materials on the belt, i need to bring in the other belt. not sure if thats where I should place a priority merger or what

[calm mauve]

there isnt a merger in game that can do priority inputs. you can sort of make one but it needs a few parts. you wont need one though. a standard merger far enough down the manifold will be fine

[dense cave]

I would think you can merge in anywhere after the 2nd machine

[calm mauve]

found it. https://new.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/z38vth/a_perfect_priority_merger/

[vapid gorge]

you look like you're wanting to build an injection manifold - not a priority merger

[vapid gorge]

I've seen examples of pseudo p mergers - my understanding they aren't perfect and will items slip through sometimes.

[vapid gorge]

as for the injection manifold - just clock the refineries to use the amounts on each belt - no need to merge

[calm mauve]

yeah its not something i use

[sturdy cypress]

total amount of the line is equal to the two belt amounts

[calm mauve]

you could break the manifold at some point and overflow the excess into the second belt

[sturdy cypress]

i think so, i think ive heard that term and it seems more correct

[calm mauve]

how much ore is each refinery using?

[sturdy cypress]

150 * 9 + 18 * 1

[vapid gorge]

?

[calm mauve]

well that math adds up to 1368

which sounds wrong to me for a single refinery

[sturdy cypress]

mean 9 refineries at 150ppm, one refinery at 18ppm

[vapid gorge]

is this bauxite?

[calm mauve]

kk, and is it a tier 5 belt at the start?

[sturdy cypress]

yup

[sturdy cypress]

polimer resin byproduct from my fuel plant

[vapid gorge]

ah well your easiest option is to make 2 sets of refineries - each set consumes each belt. No reason to merge them

[calm mauve]

at the 5th refinery use a smart spliter with normal exit rule towards the refinery and overflow onto the next refinery. 6th refinery is a merger, from the smart spliter and the second belt

i think that would do the trick

the smart spliter will keep 750 ore in the first bit of the manifold and overflow the last 30 once it buffers up

[sturdy cypress]

like this ? but with smart splitter at 5

[sturdy cypress]

that sounds like what im looking for, ty

[calm mauve]

uber paint skills.

[sturdy cypress]

would what i did above work (ill reply to show exactly what im talking about)? cuz with the design in this paint, how would i continue the line past the 6th since merger has 1 output

[sturdy cypress]

.

[calm mauve]

woops forgot the spliter. merge into a spliter at the 6th

[sturdy cypress]

cool, thats what ive done now. TYSM for the help, hopefully everything works out like i think it should

[calm mauve]

you will get the normally manifold stuttering until it fills up.

[sturdy cypress]

cool, i think im all good then

this is why i needed this. also pardon my spagetti meshing of belts in my balancer, i wanted to make it compact

[calm mauve]

i would have limited the refineries in each line to 5. That would have made feeding each manifold a lot simpler

[vapid gorge]

... why not just clock sections to handle whatever was coming on the belts?

infinitely more compact

literally infinite as the balancer wouldn't exist so zero space

[calm mauve]

4x5 arrays, with one refinery in each array slightly overclocked to take the ore count from 750 to 780

[sturdy cypress]

9/10 of the refineries are already clocked to 250%, and also i don't have 4 belts of 780, if i did this would have been so much simpler lol 😭

[vapid gorge]

so? you make 3 groups that handle 500 and 1 group that handles the 780. Very simple clocking and groups

like, if you have fun doing weird belt compressors go for it. But if all you wanted to do was process the material this looks like it was way more effort , time and space

[charred delta]

What can I do to improve this design?

[vapid gorge]

Not care about load balancing mostly

hell a lot of this you can just clock to produce the right numbers

are you load balancing as part of the goal for the design?

[charred delta]

Not particularly

[vapid gorge]

then I'd just manifold it. Much simpler, don't need to make giant diagrams, less time and space

like, if you enjoy the puzzle of load balancing? go wild. If you don't there's not really much point to it

[charred delta]

I'm trying to get designs for when I hit the higher tiers to automate

[vapid gorge]

load balancing is even more of a wild ride the more complex you get

Like on the right side you can just do this

You’ll have to make more screw sections as 1 belt can’t handle the throughput but that’s very manageable.

[charred delta]

Could you technically run that whole design off of 1 mk2 miner or no?

[vapid gorge]

unless screws sure, because it's one of the few recipes where the throughput expands

so it goes smelters to constructors for rods, and you can feed all the screw machines on one belt - but you'd need to break up the screw machine outputs into multiple groups

I'm not looking too hard at what numbers you're using but I'm sure you can manifold it pretty easily, especially if you use clocking to make the groups tidy

I'm heading to bed but there's a wiki page about manifolds

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[vapid gorge]

I'd avoid injection manifolds as they produce no real benefit and imo it's easier to trouble shoot systems when they aren't interlinked but it's up to you

[deft lichen]

injection manifolds lower the amount of machines

[vapid gorge]

sometimes

[charred delta]

I'm honestly not a big fan of the double manifolds

[vapid gorge]

wdym 'double manifolds' ?

[deft lichen]

e.g. instead of having 3.25 machines per group and 5 groups of 4 machines = 20, you have 5*3.25 = 13 machines
that's a significant difference

[charred delta]

Unless I just need to upgrade my belts

[vapid gorge]

you can clock things so that never happens

[vapid gorge]

I still don't understand what you mean by 'double manifolds'

[deft lichen]

what?

[charred delta]

2 sets of 4 smelters on across from each other with ore flowing into them

[vapid gorge]

send parts per min down a line that uses only say 3 machines instead of 3.25 forcing you to use 4

[deft lichen]

that's not always possible, but I get your point

[vapid gorge]

shrug you can do machines on only one side, doesn't make a dif

[vapid gorge]

do you have an example that's moderately likely? I'm a bit tired and it doesn't seem like it'd be more than edge cases

[deft lichen]

will check

nvm, I thought this happens with aluminum, but it can be easily avoided as you're saying

[vapid gorge]

yeah fair enough, I've found in most cases looking at set ups I would only ever have 2-3 more machines with individual manifolds compared to injection in groups of 20-30. And that's w/o clocking things to help avoid that.

[vapid gorge]

like I'm sure there's probably recipe combinations in certain volumes that would, if you tried to down clock the previous step with the assumption you wanted no over clocking, that THAT step might have a few extra machines, but to the point you described I'd guess it's pretty edge

[short jungle]

is there a webstite or app to make these schematics?

[versed violet]

Does satisfactory have an official catchphrase? Like "Rock and stone!" or "Factory must grow"?

[deft lichen]

https://app.diagrams.net/

[regal wyvern]

Dunno about "official," but "Ficsit does not waste!" seems to come up in game

[median heath]

🇭 🇦 🇷 🇻 🇪 🇸 🇹

[charred saffron]

lmao true

[hardy wyvern]

Explore, exploit, efficiency first

[flat raptor]

You are so lucky that you found this most valuable artifact.

[lethal garnet]

I never thought about using it that way, it really opened my mind to possibilities

[charred delta]

I'm gonna test it out here soon to see how well it works

[lime yew]

Anyone know what software this is? is it able to be publically found or what is it?

[vapid gorge]

@lime yew why? manifolds absolutely don't need anything like that

[vapid gorge]

Load balancing, if that's your thing, is certainly a puzzle - manifolds are just as efficient and require about 1/10th the work

[summer flare]

Possibly think about modularisation for scaling, even at this early stage, like what would you need to do to make 8 pmm rotors, or 20 ppm reinforced iron plates.
For example, I would suggest for the reinforced iron plates, I would have the 30 iron ingots currently shown making plates be used for the rods to screws needed. You now have a module making reinforced iron plates, so to double production, feed another 120 iron to a duplicate (or overclock the buildings to 200%).

[charred delta]

I'm currently setting it up now to test

[flat raptor]

slide jumping gives more height, but why?

i have a debate with a friend and we got 2 theories, either they want it to be higher so they add upward velocity after a crouch jump or jumping is determined by a set boost that also stacks with un-crouching velocity?

do anyone have the technical answer as to why jump crouching gives more height?

[deep citrus]

you mean if you jump and crouch?

or do you mean crouch jumping?

like the order is important here

or like do you mean sliding then jumping?

[flat raptor]

sliding for a short period of time and then jumping

[deep citrus]

idk its very cool and satisfying movement

[wary tulip]

Parkour!

[royal yacht]

it's probably to do with the way that sliding starts and stops with ground checks and momentum, so it probably allows you to carry more momentum

could be a really simple thing like reduced drag while sliding, which could slow you down less as you go up

[median heath]

🛝

[lime yew]

120 iron ore input line splitting into 60 - 60 splitting again into 30-30 x2 feeding 4 smelters Is this peak efficency or is there anything I can do to make it better?

[median heath]

You could just put 1 splitter behind each and run it in a straight line instead of webbing it 🤷‍♂️

[lime yew]

tbh I like the look of the web

[true junco]

Whatever floats your goat.

[median heath]

🐐
🌊

[median heath]

Am drawing math blank...

How to find "distance traveled" if I have a speed in km/h and a time in minutes?

Example numbers: 252 km/h and 1.2 minutes

[charred saffron]

You convert everything to identical units (either turn minutes into hours, or turn everything into meters and seconds (I recommend the 2nd approach just because calculating time is whack, even though it's more work)) and work from there

[median heath]

Got it.

[charred saffron]

If memory serves me right 252 km/h would be 70m/s, which, times 80 seconds total, would result in 5600 meters aka 5.6 kilometers travelled

[median heath]

So, if my math is right, and you want a full 780/min output from a single drone, you have to space them 5.04 km apart.

[median heath]

252/60 = 4.2

I'm keeping it in km, this is drone math.

[charred saffron]

Ah yeah that changes calculations, hold on

[median heath]

/60 gets you km/min

Which is what I needed.

[charred saffron]

Which is indeed 4.2

Yeah your calculations are correct then. 5.04km should be the perfect spacing

[median heath]

Idk if it is perfect, min, or max.

It is the point where TtF = RtD, but I'm not entirely sure what happens on either side of that point.

If TtF > RtD, then it's just Input = Output as the Drone will never be full.

If TtF < RtD, you start losing throughput, and I need to math that out.

[hardy kraken]

anyone know how to find out how fast you go once you come out of my hypertube launcher

[median heath]

[median heath]

(Double all throughput values if using 2 drones between 2 ports)

780 still being hard limit

[median heath]

@fierce ruin for an INPUT port that has multiple drones dropping off at it:

• Maximum Possible for 50 Stack is 627.907/min if there is ALWAYS a Drone Waiting (and said Drone is completely full)
• 100 Stack needs 1 Drone every 1.154 minutes to maintain 780/min
• 200 Stack needs 1 per 2.308 minutes
• 500 Stack needs 1 per 5.769 minutes

[vapid gorge]

so this stays consistent if you have 2 belts and 1 drone?

[median heath]

Huh?

[vapid gorge]

got a headache.

[median heath]

Explain how 1 Drone has 2 output belts?

[vapid gorge]

why not math for 2 belts into a port with 1 drone?

... don't they? it's been a while since I looked at them but I thought they had 2 input/outputs?

[median heath]

No, they never have.

[vapid gorge]

maybe my brain is fooling me

ah, never mind then xD

[true junco]

But it does have 2 belt inputs... one is for batteries. 😆

[vapid gorge]

@fierce ruin so what are you trying to do exactly

[fierce ruin]

Well

to start off, i'm making this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production

20 uranium fuel rods a minute

[vapid gorge]

you need to click the share button to get a link

that just sends me to the calc

[fierce ruin]

Ah, sorry

[fierce ruin]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=agRYHlAacLvL7ZbMhI9V

[vapid gorge]

no stress

[fierce ruin]

I'm starting off with the iron smelting portion

[vapid gorge]

sure - what's the issue?

[fierce ruin]

Uh, Just belt splitting in general?

[vapid gorge]

are you particularly against manifolds for any reason?

[fierce ruin]

To be 1000% honest, i don't know what a manifold is.

[vapid gorge]

ok no prob - real quick though - you know one of the uranium recipes in the chain will be obsolete come sept 10th right?

does that affect your choice to build this now?

at least one

[fierce ruin]

I didn't know that at all.

[vapid gorge]

The beacon recipe is confirmed to be changed to I think rotors

but there's going to be touch up on a lot of general recipes too so who knows if it'll break your chain

plus a lot of nodes are getting moved around

[vapid gorge]

on the other hand - because the story won't unlock properly unless you start a new save maybe it doesn't matter

[fierce ruin]

That is unfortunate.

[vapid gorge]

food for thought - though I'm happy to take you through the splitting - it'll help you a lot with basically every build you plan in the future

[fierce ruin]

Well.. What is the difference between splitting and a manifold?

[vapid gorge]

ok so there's 2 main ways to feed machines

Overflow Manifolds
Load Balancing

[fierce ruin]

For now, i've got 5 normal iron nodes fully clocked out with mk2 miners on them, with the 5 nodes going into 6 train freight platforms, being moved to where i'm building this big factory

[vapid gorge]

both are efficient - manifolds are a lot simpler

[fierce ruin]

Well, for iron, i'm gathering about 1500 a minute, whilst i only need 1386.667 a minute

[vapid gorge]

mk4 belts I take it? I don't remember off my head hte lower mk production rates - do you know how much ore ppm each node does ? it's important in how you'll manage things

[fierce ruin]

300 from each node, while having 5 nodes

[vapid gorge]

ok and where is the coal coming from?

[fierce ruin]

Uh

[vapid gorge]

similar area?

[fierce ruin]

Sort of.

[vapid gorge]

if so you could just make this part of hte factory in one location and then move the stators and beacons 🙂

[fierce ruin]

I am building just below the limestone nodes on the very left

[vapid gorge]

I know it's getting a little away from manifolds but they are all related

ah so not next to each other - thats ok

[fierce ruin]

Perfectly fine, lol

[vapid gorge]

ok let me do a little sketch then

[fierce ruin]

For now i've got mostly everything coming in

I'm just not sure on how to properly distribute all of the iron and such.

[vapid gorge]

there's effectively infinite ways you could really lay it out but I'll give you an example to work through

[fierce ruin]

So from each batch of iron being brought in, i can have about 8 smelters per

[vapid gorge]

so most of it is pretty sraight forward right,
300 goes to the steel mill,
2 groups of 300 goes straight to wire,
1 group of 300 goes down a belt that feeds constructors to make rods, wires, plates
and the last 186~ just feeds into wire

[fierce ruin]

Alright

[vapid gorge]

and a manifold is just a belt that feeds machines down the lines. You don't need to manually split it

[fierce ruin]

Ahh

That makes a ton of sense

[vapid gorge]

so in that picture 1 constructor makes wire, 1 could make rods, 2 could make plates

pretend they aren't smelters

[fierce ruin]

So since the calculator says i need 46.222 smelters, how would i split that up?

[vapid gorge]

Clocking 🙂 don't forget about it. It's your single most powerful logistics tool

with the groups of 300 it's easy since 10x smelts does 300 ore at 100%

[vapid gorge]

so when it says 46.222 smelters it really means you have 4622.200% worth of production rate

and you can split that anyway you like

[fierce ruin]

Ah, okay.

[vapid gorge]

so if I needed 5 smelters? I could have 2x smelters set to 250%

=500% production

[fierce ruin]

I sort of understand that

So from 300/s that would equal.. how many smelters?

[vapid gorge]

well from memory iron smelting is 30 ore pm on a smelter

[fierce ruin]

Yes, 30 a minute

[vapid gorge]

so if you're putting out 300 ore pm , and 1 smelter does 30 ore pm that's some simple division right? 🙂

[fierce ruin]

I'm dumb. Yes it does lol

[vapid gorge]

nah, not everyone has math brain

some people can just juggle numbers without looking at them. It's not a fault to not be able to do that

When I'm teaching maths I always have to make sure I don't jump obvious steps because I'm used to doing it automatically 😄

[fierce ruin]

So since i have 5 miners, with 4 going straight into freight platforms, and one splitting into two freight platforms, will that affect my setup at all?

[vapid gorge]

well it depends - are you doing anything with that excess iron?

[fierce ruin]

Well, for now, i am transporting it in 6 freight plaforms to my factory.

Would it just be better to use 5 freight platforms instead of 6?

[vapid gorge]

look yeah? You might as well clock the last miner to just make what you need too

[fierce ruin]

Yeah..

[vapid gorge]

dont stress 🙂 its all practice!
once you get used to this you can even go fancier if you like

[fierce ruin]

Well for now, i'll start with doing all the smelters and such.

[vapid gorge]

something fun you could try - make groups of constructors that make 1 of each type of item to just directly feed into a manufacturer to make the beacon

have iron ingots from the left into a few constructors

[fierce ruin]

Ahh okay

[vapid gorge]

it's a bit more planning but I find it fun 🙂

[fierce ruin]

I really should create schematics to make this all easier.

[vapid gorge]

blueprints? they're useful to some degree but kinda prevent you from creating specific solutions to things. Like they wouldn't lend themselves to the last image I shared with you

but would be useful for solid groupings like what we were discussing before

like this could be easily BPed

[fierce ruin]

Yeah, doing stuff like this

Though it's sorta nice placing everything down.

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah def. Most everything I do now is tailored solutions like the last diagram, so less useful to me.

good for when you're making fancy architecture though

[fierce ruin]

That's so true, yeah.

[vapid gorge]

and when you're planning things don't be afraid to do quick sketches. I find a spread sheet good for that too. I treat each box like a machine or belt and can put in the number needed

[fierce ruin]

And.. Freight platforms are also able to output my needed 300 items a minute right?

I've seen mine vary from like 160-333

[vapid gorge]

depends on belt speed and distance but with mk4 and not too long a trip should be easy

are you buffering them properly?

[fierce ruin]

I'm not really sure.

All honesty, i haven't created any buffers at all.

[vapid gorge]

ah ok quick question - have you noticed what happens to items moving onto platforms when trains are loading or unloading?

[fierce ruin]

This is sorta what i've done for my stations.

[fierce ruin]

Unfortunately, yes.

It stops outputting items.

[vapid gorge]

right - so if a belt gets paused what happens to that throughput?

[fierce ruin]

Uh.

It stops temporarily.

[vapid gorge]

ok and if you're moving 300 parts pm on a belt and the belt pauses is it still moving 300 parts per min?

[fierce ruin]

Till it runs out

Right?..

The platforms stop moving items out while they're in the docking animation stuff.

[vapid gorge]

Not quite what I was trying for 🙂 but thats ok

if you have a belt moving 300 pm for 1 minute how much will you have?

[fierce ruin]

300

Am i just being dumb

[vapid gorge]

right now you have the same belt and you're catching items for 1 minute

but that belt pauses for 30 seconds, how many items will you have over that 1 minute

[fierce ruin]

150 items

[vapid gorge]

so over that 1 minute how much was that belt able to get to you?

[fierce ruin]

Without pauses.. 300 items.. with the pause 150

[sand epoch]

🍿

[vapid gorge]

right! so it's real throughput with the pause is what per min

[fierce ruin]

😭 I'm sorry but i am most definitely confused now

[vapid gorge]

that's ok 😄

what I was trying to circle around was that the belt, because it was paused, really was only moving 150 pm

[fierce ruin]

ahh

[vapid gorge]

So if a 300 pm belt into a train platform gets paused every once in a while , will it have less or more real throughput?

[fierce ruin]

So, i should make a buffer, so the belts stay at 300 pm

[fierce ruin]

more real throughput

I think..

[vapid gorge]

well what happened with the example we went through? did it have less or more?

[fierce ruin]

less

[vapid gorge]

right 🙂

basically because train platforms pause belts you can never move 2 full belts.

there's a lot of math around how to calculate it but a fairly safe method is 1 belt per platform if it's buffered like this

as long as you don't have a really long train trip a platform can handle 1 belt

ISC = double container

P = platform

[fierce ruin]

ahh okay.

[vapid gorge]

so you need buffers on both ends

[fierce ruin]

So, i should have the platforms outputs, going into the same ISC?

[vapid gorge]

each platform should have their own ISC

[sand epoch]

waiting for the discussion that involves mk5 belts with low ppm

[vapid gorge]

I'm not sure what you mean with that?

[fierce ruin]

Got it.

Just setting up my ISC's now.

[fierce ruin]

Unfortunately, i am struggling to keep my eyes open, so i'll need to continue tomorrow. Thank you so much for the help!

Also, with powering this all. I am just planning on using two reactors fully clocked out to power all of this. With having myself just manually crafting the fuel rods.

[vapid gorge]

no stress! though not sure if that's the best idea or if you can manually craft them? a lot of manu recipes you cant

you could just build a bunch of power storages - much simpler

[fierce ruin]

Ah, yeah. That's an idea.

[fierce ruin]

Just gotta wait for this.. lol

[vapid gorge]

I'm sure it'll take you that long to build everything else 😛

[fierce ruin]

More than likely.

[vapid gorge]

though remember - batteries can discharge faster - so that will keep your 10,000 mw power needs going for 1hr

or 20,000mw for 30 min

honestly you could probably start up your thing when it's 50% full and be fine

[fierce ruin]

Probably. I'll just keep the whole thing off until it's all ready to be powered on.

Thus, the batteries will kick in to help start everything and then power will be fine

[scarlet sky]

Wow sometimes satisfactory-tools is just... weird

I ask for a chain for radio control units, and it has versatile frameworks and automated wiring as byproducts

I get what it's doing, but still... that's just weird

Oops thought this was #satisfactory

[median heath]

It does that.
I believe @wind spade said this is a rounding error and the display component of it is fixed in the 1.0 version of Tools.

[scarlet sky]

Ooh he's still working on it? I though he abandoned it for a newer tool

[median heath]

He is not working on the u8 version because he "abandoned" it for the 1.0 version.

[scarlet sky]

ahhh makes sense

[wind spade]

Link?

[fierce ruin]

I hate needing alternate recipes

[scarlet sky]

Lemme see if I can get it back

I figured you weren't working on the U8 version any more so i didn't bother to save it

[fierce ruin]

My satisfactory tools is bugging so badly.

[scarlet sky]

Nah I can't seem to find the right combination

[fierce ruin]

What?

[scarlet sky]

I hit a weird bug with Tools that gave me versatile frameworks and automated wiring as byproducts of a radio control unit production chain

Anyway if i can't reproduce it, it can't be that bad

[deft lichen]

you can report issues right to the man himself @wind spade

[fierce ruin]

I was just tripping, nvm lol

Though i have no idea why my recipe is making me do a whole different line just to have 140 rubber a minute, while it recycles

[scarlet sky]

Try unchecking the recipes causing you issues

In this case maybe disabling recycled rubber would help

[fierce ruin]

I mean it's added all this

For 140 rubber a minute..

I sort of understand it, but i don't entirely want to build it all.

[scarlet sky]

Yeah so open the Recipes tab and uncheck HOR, Diluted Fuel, and both of the recycled recipes

It solves for maximum output, not ease of implementation

[fierce ruin]

Ah okay..

[hardy kraken]

any help please all i know is that it takes around 2 mins to get through the tube and then around a milisecond to leave the confines of the world

[oblique hollow]

there is no precise method for that

[hardy kraken]

oh

[oblique hollow]

general rule: 12 to 13 entrances are enough to die if you go straight up and are also enough to cover the whole map by flying in an arc

without landing in the netherworld in 1 millisecond

[fast knoll]

Can someone help me set up a coal plant and organize/help build an actual factory. I’m having a hard time

[vapid gorge]

what are you having issues withj?

[fast knoll]

Pm me

[fierce ruin]

Oh, Cobalt! I've finished the part of crafting beacons for my uranium fuel rod factory

[vapid gorge]

nice 😄 you should test it out to work out hte kinks

[median heath]

Just in time for 1.0 😄

[fierce ruin]

Doing exactly that right now.

[vapid gorge]

I'd rather handle any particular issues you're having in the server

if your 'help' is wanting someone to play with you in game to build it you need to post in #1201555265942724758

[fierce ruin]

Unfortunately i'm stuck finding alternate recipes for the factory, though

[vapid gorge]

they're aware xD good practice

[vapid gorge]

you know you can scan for them with the object scanner right?

[fierce ruin]

... No i did not.

[vapid gorge]

same with slugs 🙂

[fierce ruin]

I've been using the MaM

[vapid gorge]

ah what I mean you can scan for crash site locations to find the hard drives

you then build a mam to unlock the recipe

[fierce ruin]

Ah, yeah. I've got 13 hard drives i've been going through

Unfortunate you can only scan one, instead of multiple at a time.

[vapid gorge]

cool! and you can build a MAM next to you and use it for a drive and dismantle it

so you don't have to go back and forth

[fierce ruin]

Yup, doing exactly that!

A bit of a weird angle, but this is what i have so far

Don't have the solid steel recipe so i can't craft stators yet.

[vapid gorge]

you may need to go on anoter hard drive hunt 🙂

[fierce ruin]

Maybe. I think i've gathered enough drives

Just need to painfully wait to get them all

[solemn wind]

Is this a good first computer factory? Just going to sink the rubber and quickwire. Thinking of using the fuel for power. Any improvements I could make?

[vapid gorge]

does it do what you need wit hwhat resources you want to give to it? if so it's good

[vapid gorge]

Tools has a much better ui though and doesn't spoil the map if you like exploration https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production

[solemn wind]

didnt know about tool and thanks for the feedback

[vapid gorge]

and 'how good a plan is' is entirely dependent on location, method of logstics, personal prefs

so w/o a lot of details can't really say toooo much about any plan in particular

[granite atlas]

I have 4350 Oil / Min at my factory how much should I direct to my turbo fuel plant

[short jungle]

all

[oblique hollow]

enough for however much power you need or want

[true junco]

As a matter of opinion: you should use 0 of your oil for Turbo Fuel...

[sand epoch]

All

[median heath]

Agree 100%

[wind spade]

None

You also shouldn't solve forward 🙂

[granite atlas]

I would be using 900 oil and 600 sulfur for 37'500 MW

I think it would be enough for now

[oblique hollow]

if thats your plan then go for it

seems decent

[granite atlas]

Alright ty

[elfin wyvern]

or skip fuel and go straight to nuclear

[deep citrus]

good fucking luck

[lime yew]

2 Pure Iron Nodes w/ Mk2 Miner
2 Pure Coal Nodes w/ Mk2 Miner
Alternate Recipe: Solid Steel Ingot

160 Steel Pipe per minute
120 Steel Beam per minute

[median heath]

👌

[sand epoch]

Why? Lots do it...

[thorn elk]

hello everyone

given the reveal of the node changes, did anyone do the math of how much of each resource we have now and what the difference is to before? thank you in advance

[deep citrus]

I think there's more of everything except uranium

uranium just got that node in the swamp split into 2

so it'll be 4 impure instead of 2 impure 1 normal

but overall of everything else I think there's just more of it

[wind spade]

@crisp lava see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[crisp lava]

thx

[median heath]

Reposting for @lunar stag

Double all values if using both drones to deliver to the 1 port.

Also, if using multiple ports to deliver to a single input port:

Input Port:

• Maximum Possible for 50 Stack is 627.907/min if there is ALWAYS a Drone Waiting
• 100 Stack needs 1 Drone every 1.154 minutes to maintain 780/min
• 200 Stack needs 1 per 2.308 minutes
• 500 Stack needs 1 per 5.769 minutes

[flat raptor]

what would be the ratio of machines needed to output the same amount of both steel craft-able (with default recipe)
got a 540 steel ingot input and want to have equal production of both steel beam and steel pipes.

How do i get equal output?

[median heath]

8:3 would give you equal Beams:Pipes

But you don't really want equal. You want what you need.

[vestal python]

okay pardon my non cropped shots but wtf 12*75=! 450 12*75=900

where's half my electricity

[median heath]

P is the in-game photo taker, just fyi.

[vestal python]

ty but that doesnt solve my electricity

liike where if the fudge is my other half?

[frosty owl]

Likely either not connected or lacking input

[median heath]

Did you miss a wire somewhere?

[vestal python]

you know what probably

yep me and my friends are dumb

ty <3

[median heath]

Especially if they are 2 rows, you need to make sure there is a wire crossing the 2 rows.

[vestal python]

yea we have pwr going on the side bellow and one corner wire was missing...

[frosty owl]

The devil inefficiency is in the details

[wind spade]

alt+printscreen

[plush heron]

please press windows+shit+s nextt ime

clipper is essential bro

you dont need both screens

[wind spade]

why not just alt+printscreen

[plush heron]

Too far of a reach

I got that muscle memory locked down

[wind spade]

~~I mean maybe for people that only have one hand 🤷‍♂️ ~~

[median heath]

Or just use P for the in-game photo taker as it is only 1 button instead of 2-3 😉

[fierce ruin]

Two. gotta hit P and then hit left click

[median heath]

Separately.

Compared to both of the above options of hitting 2-3 simultaneously.

[plush heron]

I play brawl my hand is already contorted

[vestal python]

I know about that, I'm not completely incompetent. But it didn't do anything when I tried it so I resorted to the next best thing

[dawn sorrel]

60 Heavy Oil Residue Refineries using all the Oil from the Western Coast going into 48 Diluted Fuel Blenders, 400 Fuel Generators (which I have not built yet) producing 60000 MW

[analog meteor]

but it cant show you the menus rite?

what do you do when you want a pic of the menu of a building

[frosty owl]

Only screen-capturing can capture the UI, not the in-game photo-mode iirc

[leaden depot]

Is the current indication still that fuel recipes will be largely the same in 1.0? And just have double the power output? Designing some power plants I want to be able to reuse.

[regal wyvern]

Unsure on recipe but output isn't quite doubling

250 instead of 150

[wind spade]

you'll just need less gens for same amount of fuel

so you'll need to underclock or dismantle some gens

[true junco]

In other words the recipe for power produced per fuel is the same. The Fuel Generators just burn fuel faster, making more power per generator.

No word on recipes for producing fuels tho.

[wind spade]

well there's no recipe for fuel burning

[true junco]

Well. Idk what else to call it.

Thing goes into machine. Machine outputs a different thing.

[wind spade]

energy value 🙂

[leaden depot]

ok, so iiuc I can change nothing and I'll just have ~66% more power for free. nice.

[wind spade]

no, you have same amount of power

just with less gens

[leaden depot]

the video says gens are buffed from 150MW to 250MW, with no change to consumption rate

[wind spade]

consumption rate in total, not per gen

[versed violet]

that was later corrected. they give more power but use more fuel. no free lunch, just smaller sandwiches.

[leaden depot]

I see

[true junco]

Generators in 1.0 burn 2/3rds more fuel than their current rate and generate 2/3rds more MW as their current rate.

[dawn sorrel]

so i wont have to build this many power gens?

[oblique hollow]

you will need one third less generators... ?
or was it two thirds

two thirds it is

[true junco]

For the same power. New stuff might be power hungry enough that you need even more. 🤷‍♂️

[versed violet]

Dumb question - if I don't want blueprint designers 'stealing' my build mats when I clear the design area, can I just fill the integrated storage box with bogus items?

[true junco]

Idk if they fixed it. But when i first used the BPD it would delete the contents of its built in storage every time i cleared the designer. So i dont trust it anymore. Lol

[versed violet]

doesnt seem to be doing that now

[dawn sorrel]

3 to 4 load balancer bc im bored

[little tusk]

If we follow the pattern of getting new power sources every phase, we should get something cool in tier 9

Because before that it was:

• biomass for phase 0
• coal for phase 1
• fuel/coke for phase 2
• nuclear for phase 3

[barren elm]

Be funny if it were fusion

[little tusk]

Idk

Maybe

[median heath]

Oil is Phase 3.

Nuclear is Phase 4.

Coal is Phase 2.

Just fyi

[little tusk]

I sorted the tiers by the phase needed to unlock them

[barren elm]

We don't zero index lists here, this is a lua only channel

Anyway my hot take is nuclear is needlessly complicated for most circumstances (ie, anyone not minmaxing) and replacing it would be a bad idea because I think it'd just get skipped by the majority of people

[median heath]

Phase 0 would be Tier 0
Phase 1 is T1-2
And so on.

[median heath]

I named the tiers by their actual in-game named assignments 🤷‍♂️

[vapid gorge]

I'd be surprised if we got a new power source

[fierce ruin]

Yeah.

Like what would it be? Lmao

[little tusk]

Idk, fusion?

Tbh I have no idea either

But I would appreciate it

[little tusk]

Noted

[vapid gorge]

but why would you need it?

you've already got a very complicated nuclear set up that pumps out crazy power

if it's simpler people will just skip out on nuclear entirely as well

even if it's only a bit more complicated but makes more power then it's likelyh people will skip nuclear too

It wouldn't be the first time they've changed things up that effectively makes mechanics theyve created meaningless though

[median heath]

Because 1.78 TW isn't enough somehow 😉

They can't do it, Captain.
They need more powa!

[vapid gorge]

god, just watching a video mentioning HMF recipes becoming a whole number

[median heath]

To be honest, I hope T9 buildings do have crazy power requirements, but they don't add any new power.

Because right now nuclear is entirely skippable.
So a power-sucking tier would give nuclear more of a purpose.

[vapid gorge]

that would be nice yeah

[median heath]

No fusion power.
But the food court up at Project Assembly could be a fusion restaurant 😉😁

[fierce ruin]

What do you think they would be adding for new buildings, though?

You'd think at least one more building to craft a teir building or item.

[sand epoch]

Hmm.. teleport up to the food court...

[narrow spire]

Is there any advantage to using the Diluted Packaged Fuel over Diluted Fuel?

[wind spade]

Available earlier

[narrow spire]

So, it is Less power and space efficient?

[little tusk]

Yes, always use diluted fuel over diluted packaged fuel when you unlock it

[river night]

Diluted Fuel is "better" in some ways, but it requires the blender that unlocks much later, thats basically it.

[wind spade]

Very slightly

[cursive seal]

I got a question. What is the total amount of extractable oil in the map?

[narrow spire]

I play the game very slowly, it would take me like 2 months to build a computer factory, so I think i won't wait and i'll Just build the refineries

[wind spade]

11700

[cursive seal]

Thanks a bunch 👍

[wind spade]

Not like power or space efficiency matters much, both power and space are practically infinite

[narrow spire]

9900 is with oil nodes and the rest is with resource wells

[carmine iron]

Why people would skip nuclear ? Thats a lot of fun

[dawn sorrel]

for the challange and because getting rid of nuclear waste can be pretty hard

[wind spade]

you don't have to get rid of waste, and base nuclear is simple two-step process

[dawn sorrel]

and of course just for the fun of it, building an enormous diluted fuel plant can be very fun

you can generate up to 390000 mw with all the oil on the map

[wind spade]

assuming only fuel

[dawn sorrel]

yes, with the heavy oil residue alt and diluted fuel

but you will only have 7800 polymer resin left over

[blissful hull]

I’m assuming like the normal ore deposits, oil deposits also don’t drain?

[wind spade]

yeah

(tho "deposits" are the small rocks you mine, "nodes" are where you put miners)

[blissful hull]

ROCK IS ROCK*
-# (ye that’s what I meant)

[carmine iron]

We don’t have the same definition of fun 😂

[median heath]

ROCK IS THE MOST ELECTRIFYING FIGURE IN SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT.

[blissful hull]

Rock is Stone

[true junco]

Stone is cold

[median heath]

Steve is Austin.

[hot pecan]

That’s the bottom line…

[dawn sorrel]

Is this the most efficient combination of recipes and location for super computers or is there a better one?

SCIM link if you want to look at the production line in more detail: https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production/index/json/{"Desc_ComputerSuper_C"%3A"10"%2C"input"%3A{"Desc_LiquidOil_C"%3A"1800"}%2C"altRecipes"%3A["Recipe_Alternate_SteamedCopperSheet_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_PureCopperIngot_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_PureCateriumIngot_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_Plastic_1_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_Computer_1_C"]}

[wind spade]

that depends how you define "efficient". Also, SCIM doesn't really optimise your production, so I'd doubt results from it (it's correct in terms of number of machines, but recipe choices aren't made by SCIM, it just blindly uses what you set)

[dawn sorrel]

those are the most efficient recipes i could think of, but it does use a lot of caterium

[wind spade]

again, how do you define "efficient"?

(and the oil branch looks weird, there's tons of byproduct)

[dawn sorrel]

using the least amount of materials, my main worry with this it that you need to use 2 pure caterium nodes

[dawn sorrel]

id of course turn the byproduct into fuel

[wind spade]

least amount of which material? because using 200 iron surely is different from using 200 sulfur

for example Satisfactory Tools planner optimises for weighted raw resource usage, so if you want, you can use that one to optimise for "raw resource consumption"

[dawn sorrel]

in this case caterium, because the computer recipe uses quite a bit of extra caterium and the question is if it is worth it to use the extra caterium instead of more oil and iron

especially the reduced oil consumption is very nice in this case, as it allows you to create more supercomputers than with the standard computer recipe

(with the oil you have at this location)

the location is also an advantage as all the materials you need are in close proximity

but because with the standard computer recipe you would need to use more than 780 caterium anyways, but would get less supercomputers than with the caterium-computer alt I would say this is more efficient

[wind spade]

Tools found a way with 150 caterium only https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=S3y7L9cIiv40L5FhhWo8

you can disable recipes you don't want to use and see what changes

[dawn sorrel]

you could place that factory in this area

+it uses far less power

[flat raptor]

is there a way to make smart splitters have a priority output? lets say i want to feed left, but also feed right with a lesser priority. but still use front for overflow in case the system gets full

i know you can't really do it with a single one but is there a way to do a system that does that?

[sand epoch]

Just set 2 sides to the wanted item and the 3rd as overflow? Manifold with a safty valve?

[flat raptor]

yeah but it would 50/50 both sides.. no?

[feral breach]

Split the low prio side and send half back?

[lime yew]

I read up on what y'all were saying, I would have center overflow left be your priority line and split half of your right and merge it with the left

[sand epoch]

Yea, and the smaller side will back up and then you get the ratio you need.

You dont need to math it out, just let it flow

[unreal echo]

so I have a really dumb question, re: constructors and layout.

assuming an opposing pair model, like Constructor, Merger/Splitter Constructor, is there any advantage to having the splitters in the center, and the mergers on the outside, in terms of space or belt management?

I ask because it occured to me that due to how the constructors can snap to catwalks, having the merger in the center leaves a big gap, while doing a splitter in the center and orienting the machine appropriately lets you build a solid contiguous platform across the machines.

[median heath]

2 splitters.

Item left + overflow into the next splitter that does item right + overflow.

[vapid gorge]

if the machines using those items use those amounts theyll balance naturally over time

[vapid gorge]

do you mean having the feeding belts on the outside of 2 rows of machines with a belt in between the rows catching the product?

[unreal echo]

otherway around.

[vapid gorge]

well if it's one of the more rare products that give you MORE items per min than what is consumed you need more belts and that's useful

things like wire and screws for example

you'll need more belt space than the input

[unreal echo]

makes sense, thanks!

[vapid gorge]

honeslty it sounds like it's a concern for aesthetics from what you're asking? and if that's the case do what makes it pretty for you 🙂

not every parameter has to be tuned to the max

[unreal echo]

having the platforms means I can stand on it and quickly copy/paste recpies without getting tangled in beltwork.

[vapid gorge]

ah you have yet to get the hover pack 😄
Don't be afraid to put temp structures around to achieve stuff and to delete them after

[granite atlas]

Is this a good early tier 7 factory?

I got a ton of spare oil from my factory raw quartz is close too

[vapid gorge]

Does it do what you want with resources you find acceptable?

[granite atlas]

What do you mean?

Like if 720 aluminium casings and 320 alcad aluminium sheets / min enough for me?

[wind spade]

as said in #satisfactory , better to start from end product, instead of calculating intermediates and hoping they'll be enough

[granite atlas]

Should I unlock all tier 7 early by buying items from the awesome shop so I know what I can produce?

what I can and what I need to*

[wind spade]

no, just go one product at a time

future products will have their own factories and their own intermediates

[vapid gorge]

if you don't have a plan to use them how can you ever know? just make some things and when you plan out higher tier items make that. Stop trying to future plan, you can't

[flat raptor]

does anyone have a list/spreadsheet of all items needed to build machinery in the game? by preference by unlocking order? im currently plannning for my main hub and looking to have an idea of how to do the storage/infrastructure

[wind spade]

Non-consumable items worth storing:

Plate, RIP, Beam, EIB
Pipe, Rod, ECR
CSheet, ASheet, Plastic, Rubber
Frame, HMF, FMF
Wire, QW, Cable
Crystal, Osc
CB, HSC, AIL
Rotor, Motor, Turbo
Comp, RCU, Super
Casing, Cooling
Concrete, Silica

32 in total.

(made by Sevrahn)

[flat raptor]

thanks a lot!

[median heath]

1.0 has this down to 30 (potentially 29 based on how you interpret what Snutt said a month ago)

[wind spade]

based on current information, which is most likely incomplete

[median heath]

He outright said CBs and ECRs are not used in buildings.
So -2

But he also says Computers aren't involved in Trains, which... is the only thing they are used for? So maybe -1 more. 🤷‍♂️

[deft lichen]

oh wow, I didn't realize computers have so few uses

didn't manufacturers require them at one point?

[median heath]

He said Comps and HMFs won't be used in T5-6, but will instead be focused on things in T7.

Which... I think is just weird, but whatever 🤷‍♂️

Given Constructors take RIPs before you can even automate them...
And Assemblers require Rotors.

Foundries require Modular Frames... so what- are Manufacturers (a Phase 3 building) going to be as cheap as Phase 2 buildings now?

Same with Trains?

[deft lichen]

yeah, weird

[oblique hollow]

maybe they will need (more) plastic now lol

[wind spade]

constructors? 😄

[oblique condor]

can someone give me a bit of advice

i just got coal power but still very early game obv
my base is situated by 3 pure iron nodes
for my stage of the game what is the best way to utilize them

[oblique hollow]

there not really a general guideline except to just "make every part you need to build things"
The rest can be dedicated to some kind of larger project making some advanced part for production

for storage purposes, a low amount of parts per minute is fine like 15 /min of any basic iron parts maybe?

[oblique condor]

by basic do you mean like reinforced iron players and rotors and stuff?

[wind spade]

don't think "what do I make with this"
think "what item do I want and how much I want"

starting from nodes is usually bad way to calculate, because you're artificially limiting yourself to that node

[oblique hollow]

pick some product, pick a target amount ( can be any random number), calculate how much resources you need to build that
Too big for you? scale it down
Too small? scale it up

[amber cobalt]

hello, i have automated smart plating at my main base, i am now looking to make a second facility but i don't know what to automate next.

can someone help?

[median heath]

Your save, your world, your decision.

[amber cobalt]

im aware but what would be the logical option?

to help me progress faster

i'm unsure

[median heath]

This game is about making your own choices.
There is no "best" path.

The devs have spent a great deal of time ensuring there is no "best."

[amber cobalt]

okay but i need some guidance

what would you do?

[median heath]

I wouldn't have automated Smart Plating to begin with.

[amber cobalt]

well i have to for the space elevator

i haven't completed phase 2

[median heath]

Project Parts are finite in need and as such, there is no reason to automate them.

Just build the exact amount required and save automation for parts you will actually use continuously. 🤷‍♂️

Also, I'm going to assume you have more than just Smart Plating automated.

So as for "what next?" -> Pick something you don't have automated.

Steel, for example.

[charred saffron]

Exactly this. Automated Smart Plate means automated rotors and reinforced plate. Keep that, and get working prb on coal power and steel

[wind spade]

whatever you need next

[lime yew]

a Width efficient 1-4 splitter...

[vapid gorge]

you know once you split them the second time it's already 4 by then right?

[lime yew]

yeah I 100% know that and tried to tell the 2 idiots im playing with that but combined they have 2 braincells both fighting for 3rd place and would rather it look cool...

[north lion]

makes sense

[lime yew]

anyone know how to get this to hit exactly 50 fuel pm?

[chilly oak]

set the target, not the percentage

[sturdy cypress]

if you get brave with clipping its possible to make one that is tiny AF

[sturdy cypress]

might be easier to OC 2 to 25 than one to 50

nvm its still bad numbers

[lime yew]

probably would but since when do we play this game to be easy