math-and-meta

[wind spade]

drones are super useful

and batteries are great as vehicle power source anyway

most energy dense apart from nuclear sources

[thick plank]

You need to connect all of your factories to the power supply anyways, except if you want to build seperate power grids all over the place. And at that point its just more cost efficient and time efficient to bring the raw resources to a central location and process everything there then to create different factories that rely on each other and have to use drones to send stuff from point A to point B

[wind spade]

no, it's most logistically efficient to process near nodes

and you use drones to ship final product(s) to central storage, and/or for personal delivery system

and even the game says you should do outposts (developers and community also suggest that)

centralisation is a pain

[thick plank]

Yes but just shiiping finished resources you can use either trains, or when you really want to use drones you dont need that many batteries, so that dowsnt take up much of the sulfur supply

[wind spade]

well if you do mass turbofuel, you don't really have sulfur left 😄

[thick plank]

Didnt mean you dont want outposts, I meant you should make the factory for a finished product all in one place

[wind spade]

not necessarily

[thick plank]

Lets just see this the following way: you can set down a railwayline once and just have to use energy to run it. Or you could put down drones and youll have to do a multi layered distribution system, all costing heeps of batteries. Trains can do the same at less of a cost and you can build them earlier. If you just start with a train system already set up, its more cheaply to connect new production lines with that one then to build up an entire drone distribution system

[wind spade]

"multilayered"? batteries are in central storage and 99% of drones go to central storage anyway

and I'm not making a train to carry 5/min of some advanced product

[thick plank]

I dont know exactly how you do it, so far most systems I have seen use drones to deliver batteries to different drones

[wind spade]

batteries are delivered from their factory to central storage
most drones ship products to central storage
so they are fed from batteries shipped to central storage

[thick plank]

Oh fuck. Ive just done a few calculations. In fact, turbofuel is less oil and energy efficient then dilluted fuel.

You can turn 1m3 of heavy oil into 1m3 of turbofuel for 2k MW. For 5 m3 you require 4 compacted coal, wich could give you 630 MW in the coal gen. So for 5m3 of heavy oil and 4 compacted coal you can generate 10 GW. If you subtract the power youd gain from burning compacted coal, youd gain 7480 MW per 5m3 of heavy oil.

If you convert those 5m3 into dilluted fuel and burn that one, youd recieve 7500MW. So making turbofuel looses you 20 MW per 5m3 heavy oil, plus the extra required machienes.

Ill have to change a few setups

[oblique hollow]

@ruby jackal recently did the math for resource efficiency and also concluded Diluted is more resource efficient than Turbo. Nuclear slighlty below diluted but still above Turbo, if you dont use plutonium that is.
With Plutonium used Nuclear is at the very top

(I hope that was a silent ping)

[wind spade]

does that assume WP efficiency?

[oblique hollow]

Only WP, yes

[oblique hollow]

Doesnt that assume you use Turbo Heavy?

Turbo Heavy has the lowest resource efficiency of all Turbofuel

[thick plank]

If you do it via the blender, its more efficient. Considering the loss of potential power gained from burning the petroleum coke and then using the sulfur to enhance your coal power production, youd gain 1.5 GW per 6m3 of heavy oil, so pretty much the same as youd get for 1m3 of heavy oil put into a dilluted fuel plant

[thick plank]

Yup, thats why the second part. The problem is that my current setup uses the heavy tuebofuel stuff cause at that point i hadnt unlocked blenders

[oblique hollow]

Turbo Heavy supposedly uses more power than Turbo Blend but whenevee i tried to verify that with SF tools, turbo heavy used the least power, disregarding miners

[thick plank]

My second setup uses blenders though, so that ones fine. And my third setup is just for burning away excess turbofuel from my production for ammo and jetpack fuel, so that ones fine to stay too

[thick plank]

Do you know by chance how much extra power the blender recepie used when compared to just the dilluted fuel setup, so how much the power gain is diminished by increased upkeep?

[oblique hollow]

All i know is blenders use 75 MW and make 45/min turbo

diluted makes 100/min fuel

That is 10 and 8.333 generators, respectively

250 MW difference

So any amount of processing extra that takes 250 MW on turbo's side equalizes power efficiency / decreases it

[ruby jackal]

My planner is now at least usable: https://github.com/Scott1903/satisfactory_planner

just going to make it an .exe not host it anywhere

[oblique hollow]

neat

[deft lichen]

Python executables are fun (every antivirus is going to scream)

I have personal experience with it and it was painful

[ruby jackal]

I did it for my KSP engine planner and I agree

[warped dragon]

whats the recommended amount of power storage to each coal/fuel generator?

[oblique hollow]

there is no general ratio for that as it just depends on how much time you think you need to troubleshoot a power failure

its more in relation to your consumption than it is to your power generation

[sand epoch]

0 really..

[warped dragon]

i just like habing them especially if im redoing any power grids i aint gotta worry about everything powering off time i get it back up and running

[oblique hollow]

If you think you will need an hour to solve a potentially grave issue, take your maximum used power and divide it by 100

thats your storage amount to get 1h

[warped dragon]

perfect thanks

[median heath]

0:0

[true junco]

My personal recommendation would be Zero.

[versed violet]

1 power storage per normal geyser. 2 for pure, 0.5 for impure.

[vapid gorge]

use a priority switch to never have your power station turn off in case you go over yoru capacity

[lyric shale]

this is the problem line

[mystic moon]

Overhead screenshots of the entire setup, please

[lyric shale]

how can the flow rate through the pump be different than the flow rate immediately after it

[vapid gorge]

what was requested was 'overhead shots of the layout' not this

[lyric shale]

I can't fly

[vapid gorge]

build a tower

or ladders. or ramps. many options

pretty sure scout towers are one of the first things unlocked

[lyric shale]

I literally can't build anything because I've run out of mats trying to get the coal powerplants to work

[delicate wave]

this game gives you everything back for deconstructing bruh

[vapid gorge]

a scout tower is like 3 rods and a plate or something go build it

[lyric shale]

I've spent every last thing trying to get them up and running and they just refuse

[lyric shale]

I'm out of parts and I'm not tearing anything else down

[delicate wave]

then go climb a rock

[mystic moon]

Or go get more materials

[vapid gorge]

if making a handful of items is blocking you from figuring out a simple issue then you're going to have a break down with the rest of the game

[lyric shale]

best I can do

[vapid gorge]

And how many gens are you feeding?

[lyric shale]

3

[mystic moon]

And what is 3*45?

[lyric shale]

135

[vapid gorge]

How much water do they use and how much are you producing?

[mystic moon]

And how much water does that extractor produce?

[lyric shale]

I'll get a slug

[vapid gorge]

So when you said you’d ‘been through and through the design’ you did what exactly?

[delicate wave]

get a pen and paper man lmao

[pseudo niche]

I've had moments like that. Where you've looked at something and it's just not right but its just some silly thing you overlooked somewhere else

A lot of moments like that

best thing I can suggest before going to coal power is setting up a 'small' factory for 10 rotor/plate per minute.
It really helps out with 'damn, I don't have enough' and you don't have that sinking feeling of 'oh no, this is going to take so much longer why didn't I make more'

[lyric shale]

yeah, I got the coal plants up but my entire iron line is down

copper is up but I don't know how much power the iron line will add

I had 6 biomass burners going and the whole thing had power

that's 180 MW so I figured 3 coal plants would be enough

but every time I try to connect the iron line, it trips

[pseudo niche]

Remove all lines running out of iron, so it's a 'contained' unit
check power draw just for iron

dropping a bunch of burners might not be a bad idea to get yourself rolling again

I also suggest dropping a burner or 4 at your coal plants JUST to restart water when/if it trips and shuts down

like, don't let the burners connect to anything else so it's just swapping 2 power lines so water restarts

[lyric shale]

I wish there were a way to just switch the water over to coal power once the biomass burners have done their job

[median heath]

Why would that not happen automatically?

[lyric shale]

because the coal can't run without water

[median heath]

Ok.

[lyric shale]

if the water is down, the coal will be

[median heath]

Ok x2.

How does either of those explain why the water would not automatically switch what is powering it?

[bleak lynx]

because he doesnt have them connected to their main grid, they are on a standalone would be my guess

[lyric shale]

also, why do I have to keep trapping alphas in this one area?

[bleak lynx]

a solution would be to have auxiliary pumps that run on your standalone grid, so when your standalone shuts down, only those "booster" pumps shut down, while your mains take over

[lyric shale]

I've trapped 3 today and, when I come back, there's always more

you can't kill them

so, how so you kep them from respawning?

[bleak lynx]

never restart your server

[median heath]

Oh this is multiplayer shit?

[bleak lynx]

functions the same

[median heath]

No, lmao.

[bleak lynx]

mk

[median heath]

Looks at host of specific-to-multiplayer issues and only-on-multiplayer bugs...

No, they do not function the same.

[lyric shale]

these things really shouldn't be in the game

you can't kill them and they just keep respawning

[bleak lynx]

show me an issue in that list that has anything to do with the issue hes having

[median heath]

Enemy respawn issues? Yes.

The power thing, no, but he seems to have moved on from that as he isn't answering the question about it.

[bleak lynx]

the respawn thing yea

my bad on the confusion there

[median heath]

That's what I was pointing at about MP stuff. No worries.

[bleak lynx]

i meant the power situation

thats just a matter of proper management

100 solutions to the same problem

[lyric shale]

ok, the iron line is back up

how do I tell a truck to unload at a truck station?

when I pull up to the coal camp, I can hit F and load up

but when I get back there's no option to unload

[vapid gorge]

also hook up the coal gens to the water extractors? power poles can have multiple lines

[true junco]

Check the station settings?

[topaz jetty]

anyone got any good supercomputer designs?

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=jVPtgzJzfRYWKOzz8Iva

[topaz jetty]

This is... excessive.

[vapid gorge]

Asking for a 'design' is a little silly tbh, there's tons of different paths using different resources and parts

and 10 pm isn't much.

Though I'm sure you could cut it down by using more resource efficient recipes

the linked plan is only base recipes so I'm sure it could be significantly cut down

[topaz jetty]

Yeah, not sure which recipies to use though, i would like to use less oil

[vapid gorge]

swap recipes in and out. So in the planner check a different recipe for circuit boards and turn off the base recipe. Compare that to locations on the map that would make it convenient

[topaz jetty]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=47fnbPBfHInJRuymdvNT so far i have got to this, since i have some batteries to spare

[vapid gorge]

is there a reason you don't want to use oil?

[topaz jetty]

dont want to use much oil mostly because i cant be bothered with setting up all the refineries and piping

[wind spade]

Oil is pretty easy once you get hang of it

And the game expects you to learn it because you'll need it later

[vapid gorge]

this is pretty resource efficient and doesn't need more than 1 pure node of any resource type https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=3CilojliutdUwF2WEKwV

[vapid gorge]

you could swap to pure copper ingots and then do a mix of Quickwire and Fused Quickwire and only need 1 normal node of Copper, Caterium, iron

or lower the super computer output slightly I guess

[topaz jetty]

Interesting.. it looks good but I will look into some other options as well before I decide

[vapid gorge]

There's a number of spots where you wouldn't really have to import much to do it all in one spot either

and many spots where you'd only have to import 1-2 resources

The Pure ingot version though takes a lot of copper refineries though. Prob better to just do Copper alloy and have a pure copper node

[frosty owl]

I just wish sushi to get more views and attention

[wind spade]

My fiancee's nickname is "Sushi" 🙂 and she wishes that too (she does cosplay)

[quick gorge]

I might attempt sushi factories the night time I play

[main shuttle]

has anyone done the (admittedly insane) math or farm of all the "loose" nodules to see how many resources that ends up giving you without ever having to put a miner down?

[wind spade]

Farm? There's no farming

Also wdym by "nodules"? Do you mean deposits?

If yes, then the math cannot be done due to their randomness

Though technically the game can be beaten without putting down a miner

[topaz jetty]

‘Beaten’ as in P4?

[wind spade]

Yeah

[topaz jetty]

Do the deposits respawn then?

[wind spade]

No

You can get ores from doggos or buy items from shop and scavenge crash sites

Or hand-mine nodes

[topaz jetty]

Huh interesting

[wind spade]

Tons of ways to play without miners

[main shuttle]

yea i kinda figured at least 1 crazy person would have tried to run around the entire map doing nothing but mining by hand 🤣

[elfin wyvern]

we did a mp run unlocking just the bare minimum of research to send package 4.. so no base building.. no logistics .. oh the pain 😂

[main shuttle]

i feel like it might be fun with a lot of people, but i don't think the servers can handle that

[lyric shale]

why can't I place an oil extractor on an oil node?

[oblique hollow]

this isnt an oil node

[lyric shale]

?

[oblique hollow]

this is an oil well

[lyric shale]

it literally says crude oil

[idle stirrup]

it needs a pressurizer

[oblique hollow]

oil **nodes **are black splotches on the ground

this is an oil well

[lyric shale]

how are those different things?

[oblique hollow]

they need different extractors

[idle stirrup]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Resource_Well_Pressurizer

there's resource wells for Nitrogen, Water, and Oil. That one you found is one of them

[lyric shale]

what tier is a pressurizer unlocked at?

[oblique hollow]

7

[idle stirrup]

click the link, read the wiki

[lyric shale]

I don't want to explore for another oil node when I've literally just found one

[oblique hollow]

well sorry, but you wont be able to use this one

[lyric shale]

seems broken

[oblique hollow]

not clearly indicated to beginners unfortunately

since you seem to be near the crater lakes:
the closes available oil nodes to you are either on the northern coast of the map or on the west coast (or alternatively more to the east near the desert)

or you go 800m east

theres 2 oil nodes there

[topaz jetty]

Okay, was just building my supercomputer factory, realised that my power grid could not sustain it, started improving my power plant... and then realised i have fuel as a byproduct and can generate an excess of 1 GW

[placid matrix]

not the best, but the large group of stuff at the bottom middle is the standard starting area, and the station where the cursor is is a good oil site

[oblique hollow]

that one isnt anywhere close to where they are unfortunately

doubt they wanna cross 75% of the map for starting out with oil

[placid matrix]

idk where they are on the map at all, i havent gotten there yet, so i was just showing from the standard start spot thats where i found mine

idk for sure but think it said that it was the closest oil

at the time at least

[oblique hollow]

most likely they are on the northern half on the map due to the trees there and the fact that only one resource well is anywhere near the red forest

[placid matrix]

ah

so near quartz and stuff?

and buaxite

[oblique hollow]

bauxite yes

quartz is a lot further south tho

[placid matrix]

yea forgot, just recently got quartz and i was thinking since i went direction from the red forest to the quartz

[median heath]

You didn't find an oil node though.

[river night]

the pressurizer nodes, whatever their proper name was, is an end-game augmentation to resources (and the only source for some new ones), you want a plain oil node first

[median heath]

Deposits =/= Nodes =/= Wells

[lyric shale]

how do I turn off the parachute animation?

like, how do I control when the parachute deploys or not?

[median heath]

It deploys only when you press space while falling.

[whole basalt]

for 2 modular frames per min (1 assembler) and a mark 1 miner on a pure iron node (120 per min), what all is needed to make 2 modular frames per min? the calculator is giving me decimals, which is confusing me

[deft lichen]

which calculator?

decimals mean you'll be tweaking clock speeds

[whole basalt]

the satisfactory calculator

[deft lichen]

...url

[whole basalt]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production/index/json/{"Desc_ModularFrame_C"%3A"2"%2C"input"%3A{"Desc_OreIron_C"%3A"120"}}

plus, im using 4 smelters

[deft lichen]

I recommend using https://satisfactorytools.com/production

1.6x something means 160% clock no matter how you get to it

so could be 160% overclock, or 100+60%, or 80+80%

if you want to use all of the 120 iron, in Tools, change items/min to maximize, and limit the ore in the items, input tab

[whole basalt]

I dont want to overclock. I only have 1 overclock thing

[deft lichen]

you don't have to, as I just said

[whole basalt]

I dont see a tools tab

[deft lichen]

1. change to maximize

2. set the ore to what you want to use

3. hover over each machine node to get instructions on how to do the clocking

[whole basalt]

how can I do the balancing of all of the numbers?

with conveyor belts I mean

I have all the machines built

[vapid gorge]

define balancing?

[lyric shale]

how can the pipe on either side of this support be completely full AND completely empty?

[vapid gorge]

are you on multiplayer or server?

[lyric shale]

I don't actually know

I just started. I'm just playing alone on my local computer.

[vapid gorge]

you would know, so single player. Try rebuilding the empty pipe

not using Geforce Now gaming service are you?

[lyric shale]

no, I don't think so

[vapid gorge]

you would know xD sometimes if you build too fast it doesn't register a connection. It's very rare single player but it can happen

[lyric shale]

do I just need to rebuild this section or the ENTIRE thing?

[vapid gorge]

but generally just as a thing - if you aren't getting belt or pipe or train flow rebuild the thing

[vapid gorge]

just the section that isn't working

[lyric shale]

ok, just rebuilt it and the distal section of pipe STILL isn't filling

[burnt wraith]

it looks like the pipe on the right side is going up an incline, is there enough headlift?

[vapid gorge]

is it a long pipe?

[lyric shale]

the proximal portion on the right side is generally full

so, I assume so?

yes, it's long

[vapid gorge]

yeah it takes time for pipes to fill up, the longer the pipe the longer the fill

are the machines consuming the fluid already?

[lyric shale]

I mean, I just took an hour phone call and waited for it to fill and it hasn't

[vapid gorge]

if they are on turn them off for a bit

[lyric shale]

no, they aren't

[vapid gorge]

ah well you're probably running into the other issue of long pipes.
Not knowing how to provide head lift

[lyric shale]

the distal portion to the left is all horizontal

[vapid gorge]

put an extra pump on see what happens

[lyric shale]

I did that and the pump wouldn't even pump

connected power and everything

[burnt wraith]

maybe the pump is backwards?

[lyric shale]

no, flow direction was clear

[burnt wraith]

okay

[lyric shale]

here's the view to the extractor

the top of that pipe appears to be full

the section to the left is horizontal

[burnt wraith]

the info it gives you is for the entire segment, not the part of the segment you press E on

[lyric shale]

here is the rest of the pipe

[burnt wraith]

also, is there a pump that's blocked from view by your hand?

[lyric shale]

no, I took it out because it wouldn't run

it just sat idle, even with the power connected

[burnt wraith]

yeah seems like headlift to me

[lyric shale]

where do I put the pump?

at the bend?

or lower?

[burnt wraith]

near the bottom of where it starts to incline

[lyric shale]

I'll try it again...

[vapid gorge]

then the head lift isn't getting ot the pump

[lyric shale]

ok, now it worked perfectly

distal pipe is filling

[burnt wraith]

sweet!

[lyric shale]

ok, now what do I do with all the fuel that these refineries make?

I can build a fluid buffer but nothing else

[vapid gorge]

why did you build it if you didn't ahve a reason for us?

[delicate cloud]

Fluid buffers are okay but you’ll have to manually flush each one you build every once in a while or the production will halt.
I’d make a small packaged fuel plant to ease the fuel, then you could always sink the excess

[median heath]

@vapid gorge building new fluid train stuff 😏

Unrelated: I'm getting that the maximum a single BELT segment can hold is 47 items, has anyone gotten higher?

[delicate wave]

Before i do something massively stupid, the idea of "just put every component on trains" from factorio still works right? Like I can, for example, mine iron -> train -> smelt iron -> train -> plates / rods -> train right

Tbh, even if it IS stupid, I might do it anyway because it will look cool

[weak plinth]

umm... sure.. it "works" if your plan is to have every building to be nothing but train stations. They're pretty big you know.

[jovial wyvern]

If you define the location of an item by its center point, you might fit 48 on a single belt segment.

[median heath]

I'm defining it by "when you go to delete the belt, how many are literally on it"

[jovial wyvern]

An experiment... Place a storage container. Add a 5 meter belt to its output. Add a 56 meter belt to the end of the 5 meter belt. Add a 10 meter belt to the end of the 56 meter belt. Put at least 60 items in the container. Let all three belts fill. Delete the 56 meter belt. It might be 48 items. At 1.186 meters per item, the ninth item from the end of the 10 meter belt will have its centerpoint just onto the 56 meter belt. Depending on how CSS coded their belts, this might allow for a 48th item to "fit" on the 56 meter belt.

[delicate wave]

meh, the map is pretty big too :D

[vapid gorge]

Start belt welding 😛

[median heath]

?

[vapid gorge]

You don’t know belt welding? Two belt sections. Place a merger or splitter on the spot the connect, after delete the splitter and then the two belts are one

[delicate wave]

Solid Steel > Steel Ingot right

[median heath]

No.
Why is "belt welding" relevant to Train Fluid configurations?

[vapid gorge]

You were talking about max number of items on belt

[median heath]

Not in what you replied to

And said belt thing was clarified as "Unrelated"

[vapid gorge]

Eh, must have clicked on the wrong one

[median heath]

Also, belt-welding would have ruined the comparison I was doing. So no worries 🤷‍♂️

[topaz jetty]

I only wish that worked for pipes

[vapid gorge]

It can but is much harder to do.

Who would you care about that for pipes? It was only good for belts when a belt bug existed

[main shuttle]

have they ever talked about why inventory is 9 spaces wide, but storage is 8?

[median heath]

Because max storage is a multiple of 8, while max inventory is a multiple of 9.

ISC = 48 slots
Inventory = 81 slots

[main shuttle]

still strange to me. seems like giving them the same width would help with manual organization

[median heath]

?

Inventory = Multiple items all in the same "container"

Storage = One, singular, solitary, specific item per container.

Organizing the 2 mediums is nothing alike, so not sure how same width matters at all 🤷‍♂️

[chrome abyss]

so @vapid gorge

see that pic?

[vapid gorge]

Sure

[chrome abyss]

i wanna make it so i put 60 on the first square where it says 35/m cooper ore, and let the calculator handle the distribution of the rest

[vapid gorge]

It can’t none wil.

[wind spade]

It can if you're fine with equal amount of all products

[vapid gorge]

If you want to keep the same ratio you’ll have to do some basic maths

[chrome abyss]

i am

[wind spade]

Select "maximise" for all products and in "items, input", limit ore to how much you want

[vapid gorge]

Didn’t think all max did that

What an odd function

[chrome abyss]

where is that maximise?

[vapid gorge]

Instead of items per min section

Click on sections of the page and see what happens, you’ll learn a lot by poking things

[chrome abyss]

do you see a maximise button? i dont xD

[opaque oak]

The other option for the "Items/min" dropdown?

The arrow at the right shows it is dropdown.

[opaque oak]

And on that page you can limit how much resources there are available.
Default is map limits.

So you just change the Copper to 120.

[chrome abyss]

there is no raw copper

[opaque oak]

Don't use that...
That is for "coming from another factory" inputs.

[opaque oak]

For raw ones, you change those ones in the this image.

The left side ones.

[chrome abyss]

i changed it to 60

but on vizualiation is still the same

[opaque oak]

Because you are only using 35 copper for that.
So 60 is enough to feed it.
You need to change those "Items/min" dropdowns to read "Maximize" instead, like said multiple times.

[chrome abyss]

i dont see any dropdowns tho 😦

[vapid gorge]

click it

[opaque oak]

The whole white box with "Items/min" reading on it?
With arrow on the right edge telling it is clickable dropdown menu?

[vapid gorge]

just like whne you're choosing items it opens a drop down menu

[chrome abyss]

there is not items/minute menu here!

[opaque oak]

The middle on each row?

Between the item on left, and amount on right?

[chrome abyss]

OOOOH

finally! tjhank you!

[opaque oak]

And for the record.
When using "Maximize" the production chain might not be "optimal".
Once the end-numbers are what you want, change back to the Items/min mode and enter those numbers back in to the right side boxes.
And only then check the actual chains.

In Maximize mode, it doesn't care how much of the other raw ores it uses, beside the limiting ones.

And in Items/min mode it tries to get everything as low as possible.

[vapid gorge]

I'd honestly avoid trying to make plans like that

[chrome abyss]

how would you do it?

[opaque oak]

Affects when using even one "Maximize".

[wind spade]

Me too but the function is there if you want to use it for some reason

[vapid gorge]

set numbers you need to make

[wind spade]

Pick end goal, work backwards

[vapid gorge]

if you just want to make parts per minute of various things to use later though I'd just make a bunch of each

Like use a whole node for wire, a whole node for sheets

[chrome abyss]

i have good enough notion to decide end goal numbers...for example make 100/min of iron plates is very different from making 100/min of rotors

[vapid gorge]

but the point is that when you decide to work forwards and if you want smooth production you're suddenly very limited in what the next products your making

[chrome abyss]

its a lot of weird decision because for example i alreadu have a factory for basics like iron rods, plates and screws

but i know rotors require some of those, when making a factory for rotors, should i include the necessary items ágian in the same factory?

[vapid gorge]

what I do, since it sounds like you're just unlocking stuff, is bring items together and let them build up. I don't bother making dedicated factories

items will build up in containers over time

[chrome abyss]

but then ill need those items for other factories :X

[vapid gorge]

overflow into other containers?

[chrome abyss]

hmm

[vapid gorge]

make a bunch of stuff, have over flow fill up containers - when you get new items? link the lines of stuff being made into new items, flow them into containers

don't have to plan too much and you make a bit of everything

[chrome abyss]

do you have an example of that

[vapid gorge]

You can't really see much, old starter base

1 node for each basic item
1st floor smelter
2nd floor constructor
3rd floor assemblers
ect

I left enough space to be able to expand machines to use faster belts and miners

it got a big messy at manufacturers at the top because I got lazy

but that factory made a bit of everything except nuclear parts and phase 4 parts

[wind spade]

Make the intermediates again for next factory

[vapid gorge]

that's another way to do it. Depends on what you think will work for you. If you feel abit overwhelmed by descisions and planning my way might let you learn the basics while not stressing about planning as much

[chrome abyss]

oooh...you seperate floors by machine type...interesting

[opaque oak]

Probably per product.

[vapid gorge]

building in floors means you can expand sideways as you get faster belts and miners

leave at least 1 direction to expand a section by, leave space between production sections

[chrome abyss]

i see, thanks

[vapid gorge]

no prob! in this way when I get a new product I add a new floor or build a new section to the side combining items by splitting off outputs. it's not 'efficient' but stuff builds up over time while you go do other things like explore or plan, or bring in new products from elsewhere

it's not for everyone but I feel it lets you learn how to build w/o the stress of planning

[chrome abyss]

then you are gonna wait for end game to make propper factories ?

[vapid gorge]

yeah that's what I was doing before I took a break last year

My fuel station

[chrome abyss]

you are majking a circular thing 😮

[vapid gorge]

my work in progress uranium rod factory 🙂

yup xD I was orginally only going ot make the centre bit build on a curve but then made everything curved

[chrome abyss]

i love circles, but i dont like the way we have to do them

[little elk]

nice advice.
again something learned ✅

[vapid gorge]

@autumn basin this sounds like what you have set up

this should work fine as long as all hte items you're putting on the belt don't go over the belt limit.
if it does then you can't have this work with only 1 belt

[wind spade]

See also https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency for another way to do it

[chrome abyss]

cobalts method seems easier

[wind spade]

It's always building the same amount of machines

And imo independency si super easy

[chrome abyss]

if im reading correct independency is basically what i was saying before....dedicated factories

[wind spade]

Yeah

It's much easier to start each project separately than trying to hook it to existing ones while rebuilding/expanding them

[little elk]

in the end, greeny's advice is good advice that you can take if it improves your gaming experience. It likely will. But if you don't feel the advice, then there is nothing wrong with the other way and figuring out your project another way

[chrome abyss]

rn my way is spaguetti a la crazy....because even tho the game says the first location is the best, the nodes location dont help that much...i just started steel production and i had to some crazy belting to make it happen :V

[true junco]

The grassfields is arguably the worst location. I like it but it is starved for the rarer resources, and powering there can be a big problem for many folks. There are a few small ponds for water, and very little coal. No oil, no geysers, no uranium*

*uranium is actually in a cave that is connected to the grassfields but the area its attached to is so far from the main GF area i dont think it should be considered the same zone.

[cerulean cliff]

Hi everyone! Is there any mode which shows efficiency of a machines?

Would be cool addition to the bottom where we can tune the clock speed

[oblique hollow]

Theres a website that shows total factory statistics, but ingame the only machine efficiency indicator is the productivity meter

productivity meter should be unlocked in Tier 1

it shows up along the power usage and production time of the recipe in the machine's menu

[cerulean cliff]

Wow, I totally missed this. What the percentage means?

[oblique hollow]

"Amount of time this machine has been active for, compared to it's total timeframe"

50% would mean this machine is only active half the time

[cerulean cliff]

Can I reset it somehow? So I can remeasure after improvement? Shut down and turn on?

[oblique hollow]

why reset it?

if you turn on standby it should decrease to 0 i believe

keep in mind that productivity increases gradually as the machine completes a production cycle

so it can take quite some time to reach 100%

[cerulean cliff]

Thanks,

[chrome abyss]

i guess i should move to another location maybe, but its a lot of stuff to move on my small inventory :X

[sudden sable]

I would recommend the Forest as a good location to move to, plenty of resources still and they are more localised than the plains. there is an area (cant remember the co-ords without looking) that has 4 Pure Iron, 1 Pure Limestone and 2 Pure Copper Nodes right next to a cliff, so if you wanted to move and improve your factory i would highly suggest there, also on top of this there is Quartz, Caterium, Sulfur and a coal node not far from said location. so it's a great set us for basic and advanced productions.

[chrome abyss]

where is this forest in comparison the grass lands?

[oblique hollow]

northeast-ish

north of the grass fields is a huge crater

east of that is the presumed location with 4 iron nodes

theres a few forests but that is my guess

[sudden sable]

I'll boot up my game and grab the co-ords

[sudden sable]

Co-ords of my suggested move location: -390, -1357

[fierce ruin]

hey can somone help me deal with a power problem im having

[median heath]

Not unless you actually describe the problem.

[fierce ruin]

half my coal generaters arent getting enough water and the ones right before it are and the pipe that leads into it has no water but the one right before that is full

ig thats more of a water pressure problem

[median heath]

Screenshot of setup?

[jovial wyvern]

How many generators, how much water are you supplying?

[fierce ruin]

thats the set up and i have 2 pumps pumping water into a small tank thats full

the last 3 are the problem ones

[wind spade]

you should not use tanks

[fierce ruin]

i will switch it out rq

should it just be a pipe then?

[wind spade]

also do you have 2 "pumps" or 2 "water extractors"?

[fierce ruin]

water extractors

[wind spade]

did you check how much water does one coal gen need and how much water does one water extractor provide?

[fierce ruin]

no but in the begining one water extracor was powering 4 just fine then i went to 5 coal gens and ive had power trouble since

[wind spade]

one water extractor can't power 4 "just fine"

please check the numbers

[fierce ruin]

how ive never done that before

[wind spade]

pretty much nothing in this game works by just eyeballing it, you should always do some math

[fierce ruin]

this is my first factory

[wind spade]

well open the machines and see

your second screenshot already has the info on needed water for coal gen

[fierce ruin]

this?

[wind spade]

that's pipe

you need to open water extractor and coal gen

[median heath]

1. Pumps aren't needed unless fluid is going UP.
2. Buffers are bad.

Discord loading delay.... why 😭

[fierce ruin]

thats the pumps stats

[wind spade]

yeah, now for the coal gen, you've already posted a screenshot of it before, so you can just check there

[fierce ruin]

so should i add more pumps ?

[wind spade]

I assume you mean water extractors?

[fierce ruin]

yes its just easy to say pumps

[wind spade]

it's not

"pump" is a buildable in the game

which has a different functionality from water extractor

so by saying "pump", you're just confusing everyone

[fierce ruin]

fine

water extractor

[wind spade]

now, back to your problem - how much water does one coal gen need?

[fierce ruin]

45+ a min

[wind spade]

why the + 🤔

ok, so you need 45 per minute in one gen, how many gens do you have?

[fierce ruin]

bc it needs 45 a min but having more going in is better

[median heath]

False.

[fierce ruin]

7

[wind spade]

no it's not better

[fierce ruin]

oh i was told its better to have extra water going in

[wind spade]

no

you should always produce as much as you need

[median heath]

By whom?

[wind spade]

anyway, you have 7 gens, each needs 45 water, so how much water do you need in total?

[fierce ruin]

someone who was trying to help me yesterday

[median heath]

Do not ever listen to anything that person advises you to do regarding this game for the rest of your foreseeable playtime.

[fierce ruin]

got it

and 315 i believe

[median heath]

315 / 120 = ?

[wind spade]

alright, how much water does one water extractor make?

[fierce ruin]

111

[wind spade]

do not spoonfeed answers please

[median heath]

I'm not.

[wind spade]

where do you see that?

[median heath]

I'm merely taking your words and putting them in numerical form.

[fierce ruin]

is flow rate not the amout its generating?

[wind spade]

which I want them to do themselves, because otherwise it's not relevant

[wind spade]

no, flow rate is how much fluid flows in it at a given moment

what is being generated is on the left side (same as with miners and other machines)

[fierce ruin]

120 a min

[wind spade]

the ability to make formulas from text is a very important one

[wind spade]

alright, so you need 315 water and one water extractor makes 120, how many extractors you need?

[fierce ruin]

3

[wind spade]

well not fully, but yeah, you can round up if you want

how much can one pipe handle max?

[fierce ruin]

it can handle 68.5

[median heath]

Prese O.
Type in Pipe.
Go to the Pipe codex page.
Read the building description.

[fierce ruin]

it says 300m a min

[median heath]

👍

[fierce ruin]

adding a 3rd seems to have solved the problem

the pipes are pumping 53 a min in instead of 38

[median heath]

Pipes don't pump.

[fierce ruin]

ik

[median heath]

Then why did you say it?

[fierce ruin]

the pipe is moving water from thewater extractorsand moving it into the 5th gen correctly now

[wind spade]

also, if it can handle 300/min and you need 315/min, do you see any potential problem? 🙂

[fierce ruin]

i do

so should i add another set of pipes?

[wind spade]

depends how you have it connected now

a screenshot showing that would help

[fierce ruin]

like that?

[wind spade]

you don't need those pumps

[fierce ruin]

yeah ik that now

[wind spade]

you only need pumps if you ever go up

[fierce ruin]

before i thought that it pushed things forward so got pumps on a buncha pipes around my factory

[wind spade]

and I meant how did you connect the water extractors

did you hook all of them to one pipe?

[fierce ruin]

yeah just one long pipe

[wind spade]

so that pipe needs to carry 360 water per minute (that's what three extractors make), but can only carry 300

[fierce ruin]

should i split the pipe and run the new pipe into the 3 that dont work?

[wind spade]

well there's many options, you could run two pipes

or do anything else really, just need to care about having max 300 in one pipe

[fierce ruin]

alr ima do the second pipe thing

where should i put said second pipe

bc i put it like right before the gens and it stoped gens 4 and 3 aswell

[wind spade]

!wikisearch coal_generator

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=coal_generator

[wind spade]

that's also a good source of information

[fierce ruin]

alr thx for the help its working as of rn

[wind spade]

that goes into #off-topic-general

[old bramble]

Sorry

[pulsar bough]

Does anyone know how to make computers and heavy modular frames easily?

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=p4JWPHWE8BOEctY7UmM9

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=ZG2FP5ivGHafGzCCaFt1

play with recipes

[pulsar bough]

k, thanks!

[vapid gorge]

btw these use alt recipes you may not want to use or don't have - so make plans based around where you want to build them

you'll probably want to edit them

[pulsar bough]

ok

I was looking at the site and it required lots of power so ill probably just mess around till I figure something out

[pulsar bough]

I've got another question, is there any way of separating a specific item from a storage container if it has multiple different items?

[hoary juniper]

Belt into smart splitter then whatever you do t want back Into the container

Better to just separate it if you can though

[vapid gorge]

depends what you want to do with it , in general if it's from storage? not really,

[pulsar bough]

I'm trying to separate plastic from a storage container hooked up to a truck station with rubber and fuel

[vapid gorge]

so the truck is delivering plastic and something else to that station ?

[hoary juniper]

Smart splitters (or have each resource delivered to a different truck station. That would be better for throughout aswell)

[pulsar bough]

well tractor, but yes

[vapid gorge]

@hoary juniper
in that case from the station have the items go into a smart splitter sorting out things with 1 path going to a sink so it doesn't clog with overflow

and then each item to it's own container

[pulsar bough]

what is a smart splitter?

[vapid gorge]

a thing you unlock in the MAM 🙂

[hoary juniper]

Yes, good point

[vapid gorge]

you can set which items get sent down which output

[pulsar bough]

which sector?

[vapid gorge]

have 1 path set to 'overflow' and send that to the sink

[vapid gorge]

can't recall... caterium maybe?

[hoary juniper]

Yes

[pulsar bough]

k

[hoary juniper]

I cant spell it but it is that tree

[vapid gorge]

they've changed the mam trees since I last used it

[hoary juniper]

After ai limiters

Oh then maybe my knowledge is out of date

[pulsar bough]

thank god I had a caterium vain next to my base 🙂

[median heath]

Well go humble it.

[gritty rampart]

Can somebody who knows this game better then me help me sanity check this math? It feels like it's bordering on impossible.

[lime junco]

Is the diluted packaged fuel alt as efficient as the blender diluted fuel alt? I don't have blenders yet, but want to try and make a efficient turbo fuel setup.

[wind spade]

That depends what efficiency are you talking about

It converts same amount of HOR to same amount of fuel

[topaz jetty]

It is the same input and output just more steps

[lime junco]

That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure, thanks

[lime junco]

Yeah, HOR

[lethal coral]

@median heath Could you Share your Motor Blueprint you mentioned on Reddit?

[median heath]

Input Copper Ingot to bottom middle and Steel Ingot to bottom right.
It takes care of the rest.

[median heath]

One of the only BPs I've designed that I actually use myself.

[topaz jetty]

I really wish i was smart enough to design BPs to build a specific thing etc. right now i just have blueprints for basic single machne setups which are helpful for building huge production lines

[median heath]

If you ever need one, just let me know.
And I'd be more than happy to over-screenshot while building to walk you through my process.

[violet timber]

What’s a good place that has relatively close access to stuff for basic super computer resources

[lethal coral]

Thats so cool, thanks!

[true junco]

That depends a lot on the alts you choose for circuitboards and regular computers.

Those can lean heavily into quartz and/or caterium or use none of either.

[violet timber]

Normal recipie cause I don’t want to make rcu and I don’t the have the stuff for the other one

[true junco]

Yesbut what recipes for thr components of super comps. Because there is a huge difference between default computer, crystal computer and caterium computer. And you need computers for default super computer.

Personally i like caterium computer into default super because of reasons.

[vapid gorge]

I have no idea what is going on here, what are you final outputs you want?

[lethal coral]

I took a turn on it myself and came up with this daisy-chainable Version

[vapid gorge]

you could simplify this with smart splitters this a lot

and sushi belts

and maybe overclocking

[median heath]

Given there are only 1 input points, is it not inherently already daisy-chainable?

You just run belts down the middle of whatever and place as many of the Prints next to the belt as you want and just split off from the belt to the print. No?

That is how mine was designed. With that concept in mind.

[fresh mesa]

Do I need mk 2 pipes to feed 14 fuel gens from 4 refineries with the standard recipe?

[median heath]

No.

[fresh mesa]

So the farest one can stay fed, if the fuel is coming from one direction?

[vapid gorge]

loop your manifold

then flood the system by having 1 machine clocked lower until everything is flooded

[fresh mesa]

Can you explain how that works when it comes to fluids? Currently I havce the main input feeding into a buffer that's higher than the inputs of the gens as that's what I saw the blueprint that I'm following do.

[vapid gorge]

show me where you found this 'blueprint' ?

[fresh mesa]

well, it's not so much as a blueprint as it is a youtube guide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbohS-mE_RA

I wanted something simple since I need a power bump before I make a HMF build and I don't have any other available coals deposits reasonably nearby

[vapid gorge]

yeah teh person doesn't know what they are talking about

one of the big issues with copying stuff online w/o know what the go is.

So often, not always, but often you need to loop input manifolds like the image I shared to you

so often that honestly I do it all the time to save time and sanity

If you loop and pre flood a system it manages any back flow that can happen.
For example in the vid it's a straight pipe - but what happens if a machine sucks fluid from the middle? Specifically what happens to the fluid in the pipe further ahead now presented with an empty pipe section behind it

[fresh mesa]

Ok, let me loop it and I'll come back

[vapid gorge]

make sure to flood it too - don't skip steps

[fresh mesa]

yeah, I got the thing all flooded

[vapid gorge]

you'll have to reflood after the loop as you're creating new pipe space

all machines should be full before clocking the down clocked one back up

[fresh mesa]

other side

Ok so the upper pipe is meant to flush down when to help fill out gaps?

@vapid gorge

so far it seems to be filling well. I just need to connect the power and attach it to the main grid

then it's making a power storage area lol

[median heath]

+12 to "Never watch YT video guides"

[vapid gorge]

remove the buffer

otherwise looks good

[fresh mesa]

Don't need the buffer? sweet

[vapid gorge]

effectively - never use buffers or valves

the only exception is train platforms where you need to use the buffers

[fresh mesa]

sick

Success!

thanks again

[gritty rampart]

60 super computers per minute is the final goal. However I have an issue of power so I might have to just build a single machine for now and come back to it when I have nuclear power online

[vapid gorge]

are you just using base recipes? are things coming from elsewhere? the picture you shared is not useful

[gritty rampart]

I wanted to see how much like base material I would need for each item. How do I make the screenshot more understandable?

[vapid gorge]

using a different planner tbh

[gritty rampart]

Ok fair!

[vapid gorge]

like this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=dpJr2sIroquSpn4BWlMm

those are just base recipes. I'd use a number of alts in the plan myself

[full abyss]

Why do you need 60 supercomputer per minute?
Sorry, im not very experienced player, just a genuine question

[vapid gorge]

why do any of this really?

[full abyss]

By the way, anyone knows a good online planner? Where i can choose parts and machines, so i can plan my own layout instead of the website automatic suggestion (that give me things like 1.34x constructor or the impossibility of use mk1 miners?)

[vapid gorge]

the one I just linked

[full abyss]

Oh, ty!

[vapid gorge]

imo easily the best planner. Far far better ui than any of the others I've seen

[vapid gorge]

btw teh 1.34 concstructors is just you need 134% running constructors doing it. you can split it how you like

[full abyss]

Hm.. indeed. I cant overclock so many things but i can run 2x on 0.67% indeed

[vapid gorge]

or 1 at 100 and 1 at 34

[full abyss]

But still sad to not have a full website to blueprints with splitters, Merges and “simulate”

Btw i can do it with a savegame with cheats, so nvm.. i just want a website to plan these stuff when i cant open the game xD

[vapid gorge]

wdym you can do it with savegame and cheats?

btw that sounds like the opposite of what you originally asked

[median heath]

Imagine not making 90/min...

[true junco]

None of this is necessary. Enjoy the view from your drop pod.

[coarse copper]

That planner doesn't even have uranium waste

[vapid gorge]

tools? of course it does

[wind spade]

best planner for actual splitters and mergers is satisfactory itself

[gritty rampart]

It appears as of if the tool you linked can't do plutonium fuel rods for some reason?

[wind spade]

it can, but you need to input uranium waste, because that can't be produced by any recipe

[gritty rampart]

Ah. makes sense!

[coarse copper]

Nah

[wind spade]

yes it does

[coarse copper]

I search Uranium and there's no Uranium waste

[wind spade]

where do you search?

[coarse copper]

Output

[wind spade]

well you can't make waste so that makes sense

there's no recipe that makes waste

and output only shows things that have recipes

[coarse copper]

And I search plutonium fuel rod and I can't plan the factory for that

[wind spade]

we just now talked about it #math-and-meta message

[vapid gorge]

the guy's block note is literally 'doesn't listen' xD

[coarse copper]

Satisfactory calculator is better

[wind spade]

how so?

given that SCIM

• can't do loops
• can't do more recipes per item
• can't optimise production
• from my testing a long way back is way slower especially on large productions
• doesn't remember your productions and doesn't have option to share them (well you can copy a link I guess, so not exactly true)

[coarse copper]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production/index/json/{"Desc_PlutoniumFuelRod_C"%3A"12.6"%2C"altRecipes"%3A["Recipe_Alternate_WetConcrete_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_SteamedCopperSheet_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_PureQuartzCrystal_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_PureIronIngot_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_PureCopperIngot_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_PureCateriumIngot_C"%2C"Recipe_PureAluminumIngot_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_SloppyAlumina_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_UraniumCell_1_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_Silica_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_Quickwire_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_NuclearFuelRod_1_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_IngotSteel_1_C"]}
So how do I do this on that tool?

[wind spade]

literally already answered above - you input uranium waste

[coarse copper]

But I want to include every machine that produces uranium rod as well

[wind spade]

then add uranium fuel rod production

[coarse copper]

Hmm

[wind spade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=UNJxwfCw1IAIHIdB9Oj1 simple as that

[coarse copper]

So I can't add nuclear power plant into the receipt?

I still do a lot of manual planning by hand because I build separate factories instead of a mega factory

[wind spade]

no you can't, but you can do very simple math to account for them

[coarse copper]

I just don't get used to not see the line point towards nuclear power plant

[wind spade]

screenshot it and add the arrow in paint

[sand epoch]

So many blocks, so little time.

[vapid gorge]

always got more time for blocks

[full sequoia]

i just now realized how big of a logistics nightmare my iron factory is

[vapid gorge]

You get better at it with experience and planning 🙂

[median heath]

What all are you making?

[full sequoia]

plates, rods, screws, rotors, reinforced plstes, and frames

[median heath]

Labeled:

[full sequoia]

my factory requires 86 constructors without overclocks

[median heath]

Do show 👀

[median heath]

HOW IS IT FLOATING 😭 😭

[full sequoia]

ill build it later

[coarse copper]

not enough space on the ground

[pseudo cedar]

Yeah I switched over a while ago. I did like being able to transfer a production line from computer to computer just by copying over the address bar address with SCIM, though. Tools needs a second button and with SCIM you could use Firefox to just pull the tab over.

[wind spade]

Tools have export/import and link sharing btw

[pseudo cedar]

No I know, but I can click a button to pull a tab from computer to computer with firefox. It copies the line with SCIM, but not with tools. Have to send myself an email with tools. Still beats SCIM with other aspects but having the line stored in the address bar is handy

[wind spade]

the problem is that the amount of data needed to be stored in URL would be so long that in some cases it'd go over max url length limit, which is why Tools don't use links like that

[pseudo cedar]

Well I can’t argue with that

[wind spade]

however in new tools I plan to do some changes regarding that, with most likely possibilities being (one or both, still under consideration):

• user accounts (your production things will be linked to your account, accessible from multiple places)
• unique URLs (URLs with some sort of ID of production line, which can be shared and accessed)

[daring owl]

hi i plan to do a nuclear power plant, what is the maximum number of fuel rod that can be recycle?

[wind spade]

all of them

[main shuttle]

good god i'm an idiot 🤣 forgot to check the wiki for sink values, was making quickwire to dump instead of just doing caterium ingots

[jovial wyvern]

Caterium Ingot - 42 points each. Quickwire - 17 points each. 1 ingot makes 5 quickwire with the basic recipe. 5x17 = 85 points from 1 ingot.

[main shuttle]

well damn 🤣 looks like i get to redo it. i usually have impure or unused nodes just dump straight into the sink without making anything past ingots, at least early on

been a while since i started from scratch

[uncut laurel]

thoughts?

in my mind obviously the middle one

[median heath]

None of them are bad.

[vapid gorge]

anything you're working on now or soon that you might use those parts?

[raven lark]

Please someone help me before I lose my mind

Im trying to Load balance a mssive row of coal gens with no overclocks and it just is not working no matter how i balance it.

and I cant figire out why

[median heath]

So stop trying to balance it and just manifold it.

[raven lark]

I do not know how to do that

[median heath]

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[vapid gorge]

a game example of what the link is talking about

[raven lark]

Thats basically what I am doing

[vapid gorge]

ok what is the issue? specifically

[median heath]

That is NOT balancing then.

[raven lark]

Its actually water more than anything.

[vapid gorge]

how about you take some over head shots of the whole layout

[wind spade]

#math-and-meta message

[raven lark]

i dont do exposed logistics but till try to get some good shots

[vapid gorge]

shots and maybe remove whatever foundations are hiding stuff cause it's near impossible to diagnose pipes w/o images

[wind spade]

and if you're new with pipes, you should have them exposed and above your factory, not below 🙂

[raven lark]

I have two rows of 16 coal gens and the two sides of splitters distribute coal. But the water has left random gens and the last gens empty.

[wind spade]

don't use pumps if you're not going up

[raven lark]

does this constitute pumps?

[wind spade]

do you have enough headlift?

[raven lark]

dont know. i could never understand how it worked exactly

well all of the gens are off now so i assume not

[wind spade]

each machine and pump provides headlift, which means "fluid can rise X meters from this machine"

[vapid gorge]

is this your first coal set up?

[raven lark]

No ive been playing for a while, but I have never done a coal area to this scale

aka 64 coal gens.

[wind spade]

scaling up coal is usually just repeating 3:8 setups

[vapid gorge]

ok I'll want a sketch then of how many gens to a pipe , where extractors are ect

but what greeny said is a sensible approach

[raven lark]

here is overhead

[vapid gorge]

how many extractors to a pipe you got there buddy?

[raven lark]

5 unclocked to a mk 2 pipe

[vapid gorge]

and how many gens to a pipe?

[raven lark]

13.6 or so if math serves me right

[vapid gorge]

so you've underclocked?

[raven lark]

thats definently the main issue but I just cant find a solution. But i do have excess water that i have added to the pipes which kind of helps but not really.

[vapid gorge]

you haven't connected the multipel pipes and gen lines together have you?

[raven lark]

I dont follow?

[vapid gorge]

are all the pipes independent?

like, does the water from one line of coal gens also connect to another line?

[raven lark]

i have 5 pipes each with 600m, and yes I split one of them onto another connected to gens.

so yes i do

[vapid gorge]

ok so a number of issues here

1. You don't have your manifolds looped
2. you're feeding from below
3. you have sections of the set up connected to other parts

separate your sections of coal gens and extractors into individual groups

if you insist on feeding from below you can try this manifold set up

delete the feed pipes and rebuild w/o using the floor holes, they can be buggy

[raven lark]

alright

[vapid gorge]

1st rule of Pipe Club - keep it as simple as possible Point A to Point B no mergers and splits if at all possible

[wind spade]

there's other rules (you don't have to follow them, but it usually helps if you do) - #satisfactory message

[raven lark]

That seemed to do the trick, turns out i also needed a pump, thanks both of you 👍

[oblique hollow]

@heady scarab what i wanted to say was that if you only ever merge a few refineries and thus a few pipes with a valve, it usually works for recycling water

Bigger setups can struggle, especially if you dont keep everything running at 100% efficiency

[heady scarab]

Well, I have three aluminum factories. Each and every one of them setup very similar to each other using that method. 200+ hours later, all of them still running at 100% efficiency without me having to touch a thing. So I don't know what to tell you all other than it works.

My most recent factory produces 3600 aluminum ingots a minute. The factory lines are broken down into 6 groups of 600 aluminum ingots. I bring in 6 bauxite lines from various nodes using a 6 to 6 balancer to make sure the bauxite lines going to each factory line are equal. I only have about 10 game hours in on that factory, but I don't have any reason to believe it won't continue to function without a problem.

[oblique hollow]

And i didnt disagree.
Its just that this is a circumstantial case of "it works for me"

That does not mean it scales well if you go for bigger networks

Many of these small units? works fine. Making them bigger units is likely an issue though

Which is why we usually advice to use them with caution

[heady scarab]

How much bigger do you want to go on the build? I mean, 600/minute gives nice numbers to work with on the recipes I used. I probably could have gone with the full 780/min for the MK5 belt but that just gives nasty decimals to work with.

[oblique hollow]

I didnt mean it complete builds, i think you are misunderstanding me

Or do you mean those like.... 3 alumina refineries use 600/min bauxite

[heady scarab]

I have 6 groups of 3+3 (3 sloppy alumina + 3 electrode aluminum scrap). If you want, I can stream and provide a tour.

And each of the sloppy alumina run at 75% each, to produce 180 alumina solution. Each consumes 150 bauxite, so each group consumes 450. The electrode aluminum scrap refineries require 180 alumina solution each, so they run at 100%. Those produce 300 aluminum scrap each, so 900 each group. I use a combination of a splitter and merger to create two lines of 450 aluminum scrap each. Each 450 aluminum scrap line feeds into 6 foundries underclocked to 50/min so they consume 75/min each (6*75 = 450) and produce 300 aluminum ingots. Since each refinery grouping produces two lines of 450 aluminum scrap, I have two lines of 6 foundries, producing 600 aluminum ingots. I repeat this build 5 more times for 3600 aluminum/min.

[graceful sorrel]

I'm really glad that the nuclear power plant is now fully operational.
There is no longer any need to worry about power shortages.

[heady scarab]

Well, for now at least ;D

[graceful sorrel]

I'd love to ride the train... but I'm so confused about how to conceive that I feel like I'm about to burst... p ㅁp

[heady scarab]

what problem do you have with trains?

[graceful sorrel]

I don't have a problem with trains right now, but... maybe I want to take a train and ride all the zones...

But it's my future that hasn't come yet, so don't worry.

[heady scarab]

Ah, well there is a YouTube video where someone did that. I think they used the Global Rail Network megaprint.

[graceful sorrel]

Oh, then I'll have to look it up and refer to it. thanks. 😄

[carmine iron]

Hey, I I struggle with the satisfactory planner to know how much nuclear fuel Rod I could make maximum

Since I saw on the Internet that maximum Is about 50.4 per minutes but according to the planner, I would need 3000 uranium per minute which is 2100

And then I search for alternate recipes, but it need beacons, which are no longer in the game now and even with this couldn’t manage to get those numbers

[hoary juniper]

Beacons are still in the game currently but they are being removed in 1.0

[pseudo cedar]

Yeah currently they have no use except this recipe. In 1.0, IIRC, they’re being replaced with rotors

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=a4g1gUpeHwpQcRbVfSDm

[jolly idol]

Quick question, I've seen a lot of people loop their pipe manifolds back into itself, why would you do this?

[cerulean stratus]

are there any benefits to making the manifolds like this?

[median heath]

No.

[hoary juniper]

Pips work kinda weird and that reduces the likelihood of problems

[median heath]

Do you want the full 600/min flowrate?

[jolly idol]

Oh ok

[hoary juniper]

This has a long conversation about the weirdness of pipes https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1244418220362829874

[jolly idol]

I've never actually gotten far enough to have mk 2 pipes

[versed violet]

Water hammer. Game implements fluids so well, you get real life behavior of water reaching end of pipe then bouncing back 😂

[median heath]

Then you don't have to loop anything 🤷‍♂️

[jolly idol]

Oh sick

[jolly idol]

Sounds good, thank you

[cerulean stratus]

wouldn't it balance manifolds better?
I know it wouldn't make them fill faster

[median heath]

There is no "better"

Balance is a yes/no.

[oblique hollow]

it limits throughput

looping a belt back on itself throttles throughput to half of what the belt originally could move

oh wait nvm

you literally just split and merge forward

[median heath]

How?

[oblique hollow]

i just said nevermind below

i thought it was this but it wasnt

[median heath]

Yes, to THIS --> How?

[oblique hollow]

wdym HOW

you split half of your output back

1 + 0.5 = 1.5
if all belts used here are the same mk:
Belt cant move something thats 1.5x its max throughput

[median heath]

60 -> Split 30/30
30 Loops back to make 90
Belt can't handle 90 because 60
Merger input stalls
Full 60 just goes forward

60 -> Split 30/30
Belt after merge is now 90
90 -> Split 45/45
Belt after merge is now 82.5
82.5 -> Split 41.25/41.25
Belt after merge is now 80.625
80.625 -> Split 40.3125/40.3125

And so on.
What am I missing?

[oblique hollow]

"merger input stalls"
correct.
Which one?

[median heath]

Those are 2 scenarios.

Second scenario does not line up with your "throttles to half"

[oblique hollow]

i just said all belts are the same mk in my assumpton above

[median heath]

If all are the same mk, and you're filling the mk (i.e. the mk1 and 60) you just get 60 going forward.

[oblique hollow]

False

[median heath]

Fixed.

[oblique hollow]

So you say if the input belt is mk 1 and i wait long enough, i will get 60/min on the output side, after the splitter?

[median heath]

Unless you're saying you get 30 forward and this eventually backs up and stalls out?

[oblique hollow]

Yes, that is what happens and WILL happen

[median heath]

Ew...

[oblique hollow]

If you input 30/min, you get out 30/min

If you input 20/min, you get 20/min

anything above 30 gets reduced to 30 and the input belt backs up

[cerulean stratus]

is there any situation where that is useful?

Anyway, using the 1:2 manifold
speaking as input is 120 and machine needs 30

first machine
40 and 80 to the next
second machine
26.6... and 53.3... to the next
17.7 and 35.5

[oblique hollow]

meh, barely ever

[cerulean stratus]

actually this is pretty interesting. While by no means a load balancer, and it requires weird math with the 3 and 1.5, it makes all machines start working faster

you can mix 1:2 and 1:1 to make
40:80
26.6:53.3
26.6:26.6
26.6

[wind spade]

@dreamy sierra read #math-and-meta message for alt recipe picking

[frosty owl]

I had to figure that out in order to make a 300/min balancer for Uranium Ore (MK3 + 30/min)

[carmine iron]

Is it possible too produce 60480 m^3 of water per minute ?

[wind spade]

it's possible to produce almost any amount of water per minute

you practically won't be able to use all the water you can make

[carmine iron]

After calculation thats the amount of water i need for my nuclear generator

I might need more if I use alternative pure ingot recepie

[elfin wyvern]

Nuclear and water is easy. 2 water extractors per power plant and if you want to overclock, make sure they all are clocked the same so no need to try and balance water, just combine the 2 and feed into the plant.

[versed violet]

the map is literally surrounded by water.
I'd risk saying there is so much water you couldn't power all of the extractors xd

[grand osprey]

Good morning, I'm having some trouble understanding the math on unpacking oil
I have 5 refineries making fuel, no overclocking. So in total, they need 300m^3 a minute, i believe
So to give them the proper amount of oil, I need 15 packagers i think that should give the 300m^3
So does that mean I need to be feeding them 900 Packaged Oil per minute?

[versed violet]

doesnt oil pack 1m3 to 1 box?

[grand osprey]

I suppose? I'm basing my numbers on what the packagers say
In this case, it's 2m^3 oil for 2 packaged oil
And it unpacks the same

[oblique hollow]

yes

[oblique hollow]

its all 1:1 with cubic meters to packages

need 300m³/min oil? then thats 300/min packaged oil

the only difference between packaging and unpackaging is the speed: unpackaging is twice as fast

further, your numbers for fuel seem off:

[grand osprey]

That's the numbers I've been looking at in game

[oblique hollow]

yes

[grand osprey]

So it should total to 300 a minute right? for 5 of them?

[oblique hollow]

no

err

forget what i said: yes

i read 60/min and thought 30/min for some damn reason

[grand osprey]

roger that

[oblique hollow]

60 x 5 is 300, yes

if you wanna make this really simple: just put a packager unpackaging oil directly in front of each refinery

[grand osprey]

Oh, I see it now

I wildly overdid my math last night then

I thought I needed 15 unpackagers for 5 refineries

[oblique hollow]

late night math is never good

perhaps you confused it with the recipe for packaging and unpackaging heavy oil residue

[grand osprey]

So then that means I only need 5 packagers to match the 5 refineries, and I need 10 packagers to pack the oil in

No, I was only ever looking at oil last night

[oblique hollow]

huh. I blame tiredness then

[grand osprey]

My thought process was "each refineries needs 6m of oil, each unpackager produces 2, thus each refinery need 3 packagers each"

[oblique hollow]

that would work out if they all used the same time for production

but they dont

[grand osprey]

as in everything going off at the same time, simultaneously?

[oblique hollow]

as in "everything takes 6 seconds to produce something"

[grand osprey]

oh gotcha

[oblique hollow]

refineries take 6 seconds to make fuel from oil but packagers unpack oil every 2 seconds

[grand osprey]

so if I keep it simple like you said, put a packager behind a refinery , then just make sure it's getting the right amount of oil barrels, I should be fine?

[oblique hollow]

yes

you can distribute via a manifold and just use mk 1 belts for the oil unpackaging input

that limits the speed to 60/min and you dont need to wait for the input of the packager to fill up all the way to 100 barrels

[grand osprey]

Gotcha

wait

There's no belt that does a clean 300 a minute, even if I use mk1 belts to feed, i'd need to use a mk4 belt to get them to the packagers, wouldn't that slowly start to fill the packagers up?

[wind spade]

if you want 300/min, merge it to one belt from machines that make 300/min in total 🙂

[grand osprey]

i suppose it goes to mention that i'm packaging elsewhere and bringing them in via train, which is where my question sprouted from

[wind spade]

if you're bringing it with train, then it will have the same amount per minute as it has on other side

[grand osprey]

i dont know if that's going to mess with everything, cause of travel time of the train

[wind spade]

worst case you add another train, but 300/min is definitely doable with one car and one train

tho don't forget to add buffers for both loading and unloading

[grand osprey]

is that just as simple as putting a container at each freight station?

[wind spade]

yeah, connecting both inputs/outputs to the platform, and taking one belt from it to your production

[grand osprey]

like this?
https://i.gyazo.com/ba67cc1b5b248bd5d8d6d9dea1f6d995.jpg

[oblique hollow]

what

why the loop

[grand osprey]

Isn't this what greeny was trying to say?

[oblique hollow]

no

connect both outputs to an industrial container

or both inputs

not input + output

[grand osprey]

https://i.gyazo.com/96feee7d727085c23479f7474e51d02b.png

like this?

[oblique hollow]

yes

[grand osprey]

okay

Would it be simpler to have one station for each set of refineries? (I have 2 fuel generator setups atm) So that way I don't have to worry about splitting 600 items equally?

[oblique hollow]

why 600 now

[grand osprey]

Because I have a second set of refineries producing fuel

[oblique hollow]

you can solve this however you want

theres upsides and downsides to everything

[wind spade]

I usually recommend to have separate platform for each belt (based on what you need on the other side)

if other side needs belt of 200 and belt of 350, make two platforms and put exact amount into each (or merge it and manifold it on the other side)

[oblique hollow]

if you dont wanna deal with packaging you can just.... pipe the stuff in directly into a fluid freight platform

[grand osprey]

I do sort of want to deal with packaging because otherwise I will eventually have a station + fuel cart full all the time (that and i wanted to try my hand at it from the beginning of this save)

[oblique hollow]

is there a problem with having them full?

i thought you were only moving oil in and nothing else

[grand osprey]

it doesnt feel very efficient , I also need oil to make plastic and rubber for computers and stuff

[oblique hollow]

what would canisters solve here

you either have a platform full of oil or packaged oil

if you dont use it all you will have leftover

[wind spade]

train can be basically considered like a belt. It will either transport what you need, or it will be not enough. But there's nothing special with it, it behaves roughly equal to belts

[grand osprey]

It's aesthetics, mostly, + wanting to figure out how to package and unpackage fluids, cause I want to try and consolidate production into a couple of locations instead of spread out across the map

[oblique hollow]

aight then

[grand osprey]

but thank you for the help, that saves me from making far more oil barrels than I actually need

[wind spade]

always make only what you need 🙂

[grand osprey]

that's the goal!

Actually, one more question
Which level of belt would y'all use to get the barrels from the station to the packagers? It would have be mk4 because I'm producing 300 barrels a minute, right?

[wind spade]

I personally always use highest belt available, no reason to use slower belts

[grand osprey]

it won't overfill the packagers because I'm only producing what I need, right?

[wind spade]

yeah, max belt capacity is not relevant

if you send 50/min into 780/min belt, you'll still have 50/min

[grand osprey]

gotcha gotcha, thank you!

[grand osprey]

So I've run into an issue, and it's something that's cropped up before on other builds

I don't know how to make a good manifold that will distribute everything evenly
In this case, I'm packaging oil, so I need containers. Need 300 containers a minute, so that means I need 150 plastic per minute.
I don't have a problem with creating the plastic, the issue is making sure it gets into all the constructors

Here I have mk.4 belts taking the plastic to the construct's, which is then being fed by a mk.1 line. I tried a split like this because a straight line down the back was also running into this issue.

Help, please? I don't understand 🥺
https://i.gyazo.com/560c52fc864eade88c83cc045fa23862.jpg

[jovial wyvern]

TL:DR - Wait 10 minutes and it should be fine.

You have 150 plastic coming into the first splitter, which initially divides things three ways. 50 goes into the constructor, and 50 each goes down the two belts, ultimately being split again, sending 25 into each of the remaining constructors. This is not a problem, as the center constructor is using plastic at a rate of 30/minute, but it's receiving plastic at 50/minute. Its input is filling up at a rate of 20/minute.

A stack of plastic is 200 pieces, so in 10 minutes the center constructor's input will be full, and the line feeding it will only be able to transport 30/minute. At that point the remaining 120 plastic will be split evenly between the two other splitter outputs, sending 60 down each of the other two belts, where it's split again into 30 per constructor. The end result is all five constructors receive their required 30 plastic per minute.

The "straight line down the back" manifold also would have settled out eventually, with each constructor getting 30 plastic per minute. Manifolds just take a while to start up.

[vapid gorge]

are you sinking the containers for some reason? cause if not just bring the containers back for repackaging

[grand osprey]

I have been, i figured since it's all infinite resources it was fine, but that's a good point once i figure out the production

Also, i've had the game running since my made my initial post, and the problem hasn't solved itself out yet

[jovial wyvern]

Is the center constructor's input buffer full of plastic yet?

[grand osprey]

Yes

[jovial wyvern]

So what are you seeing at this point? If 150 plastic is coming in you should see 60 going down the two side belts and 30 going into the center constructor.

[vapid gorge]

it'll also clog up eventually since containers aren't being used

[grand osprey]

I see

Um, to answer the question, i'm not sure how to see that, but the constructors at each end are struggling to produce all the time

[jovial wyvern]

So the green lights on the end constructors turn yellow?

[grand osprey]

Correct

or, well, all of them except the middle now

[jovial wyvern]

None of the five constructors are overclocked, right?

[vapid gorge]

how long as the system been running for?

[grand osprey]

1. Correct
2. The system's been going for 45 minutes now

[vapid gorge]

ok so a small manifold like that probably should have stabalised by now

to test it - handfill the constructors with stacks of material - if they start starving again you know there's a flow or math problem right?

[jovial wyvern]

And you are certain you're getting 150 plastic per minute?

[grand osprey]

Yes, I have 8 refineries with one underclocked at 50% to get 150 a minute

[vapid gorge]

try the hand filling thing - it's a good trouble shooting tool

if you glut the resources they need to produce and later they start starving yo ucan narrow down the issue

[grand osprey]

trying that now

[vapid gorge]

after you hand fill them go away and do something for like 10 - 20 minutes 🙂 it'll give yo ua break from the problem and let it have time to show you evdidence

[jovial wyvern]

If you're using the basic plastic recipe (oil -> plastic + heavy oil residue), then are you sure your refineries are all getting the oil they need... none of them are going yellow temporarily? You can go watch them for a bit while the constructors do their thing.

[vapid gorge]

I'm getting them to work backwards through some basic troubleshooting skills 🙂 it'll be useful

[grand osprey]

I have two of these circuits, and one was underproducing, i forgot a refinery

[vapid gorge]

well that could be an issue 🙂

[grand osprey]

gonna give it a bit like you suggested, let it do its thing

[vapid gorge]

being able to work backwards and analyse each step is a very useful skill in the game 🙂

[grand osprey]

Problem Solved!

everything is producing as it should be, no issue

[silent sphinx]

@coarse hull do you have a diagram for your battery plant?

[coarse hull]

I’ll make you one, give me 30 mins or so

[silent sphinx]

ty

[vapid estuary]

If you are exactly consuming what you are producing it will take really a long time to converge to 100% working. The usual way to accelerate this is to turn off a machine or two early in the manifold, wait until input starts to back up, and then turn them on.

The reality is that after each splitter in a manifold, half the ingots are sent in. Over 8 machines, the bottom gets 1/128th (or, 2^7) what the top one does. Or is it 1/64. Anyway this means it will take forever until early machines in the manifold fill up and send overflow down the line. I usually stuff early machines with what I have in my inventory and go fill up somewhere else. And briefly overclock the supply if that's feasible. If I'm building forward in a factory, I usually have materials filling into containers behind me while I'm working

[wind spade]

It's often just a few minutes

And if you let it fill while building next part, you won't even notice

[coarse hull]

@silent sphinx apologies for the delay

(I Added A Drone Port For Export, But Thats up to you)

( Silica Bi-Product is Shipped Somewhere Else I Need)

[silent sphinx]

Tysm!

I wanted this for drone stuff!

[coarse hull]

happy to help, @ me if question

[vapid gorge]

There are very few isntances where valve feeding waste water back into a baux system will work - Highly don't recommend

in general - never use valves or take advice from people telling you to use them

[vapid gorge]

these are example diagrams of fullproof waste water usage for every bauxite recipe combination.

[wind spade]

what recipes are you using? the numbers do not match against any setup

[coarse hull]

For?

[wind spade]

I tried replicating it but it shows different numbers https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=nxVOr5e830dYKTkS6eq9

also, using valves is heavily discouraged

[coarse hull]

i mean, it works for something so small, its been 100% for a good 12 hour session

[vapid gorge]

Like I mentioend to Shen, sometimes valves can work with direct input waste water. With the right number of machines, and right shape of pipes.

It's not something to recommend.

[wind spade]

oh discord didn't scroll

mb, didn't see it mentioned already

[wind spade]

I don't doubt the math or anything, I just wanted to recreated it in Tools, as it may be slightly easier to follow

[coarse hull]

Just Had A look Through The File, ( didnt know this tool existed )
Its Using Different Stuff than me

1. I Didnt Use Foundry For Example For casings
2. No Silica Usage ( Moved somewhere else)
3. didnt use Petroleum Coke, Used straight Coal

[deft lichen]

SFTools doesn't directly show the separation between fresh and recycled groups of machines, but you can deduce it pretty easily from the input numbers

[coarse hull]

why 😦

[deft lichen]

you didn't specify the alt recipes in the diagram

[wind spade]

you didn't specify casings at all 😄

[deft lichen]

I think I got it

[coarse hull]

im lost now XD

its written tho? 3x smelter using alt recippe into 1 constructor

[wind spade]

eh, I meant alu solution, idk why I wrote casings

because it's made from aluminum, so it needs to be part of the aluminum chain