math-and-meta

[icy sun]

Does a sushi belt setup conflict with a manifold?

[median heath]

What is my name title?

[icy sun]

haha, teach me

[median heath]

You have to ask questions.

[icy sun]

I'll have to write it out, appreciate the help in advance

[median heath]

This is Discord, we type 😉

[median heath]

Also, if you have to write a whole thing out, I would say you're approaching the situation wrong.

Break it down into pieces, and give me one piece at a time so we can make sure you understand the concepts, not just how to make this specific system work.

[vapid gorge]

if you were asking about clarification on Sev's name it does not conflict in any way. You can sushi manifold or sushi balance

[icy sun]

it must be something wrong with my setup/understanding then

[median heath]

You can normal balance before sushi manifolds (what end up doing).

[median heath]

At any point are you use Any Undefined?

[icy sun]

ya

[median heath]

Problem A.

[vapid gorge]

like most things in the game you can do 99% of it right and that 1% wrong will break it

set to overflow

[icy sun]

but then it will send the wrong item through

[vapid gorge]

only things that can't go any other way

so a common way for a sushi smart splitter to go is 1 side Named Item, main flow Overflow

[icy sun]

if I have a sushi belt of copper and iron ore going into a smart splitter with left set to Iron and center set to overflow, but center leads to all copper smelters, won't overflow send excess iron into the copper smelters and back things up?.

[vapid gorge]

sure, but that's why oten it's good to set a final over flow to a sink

if you built it right, once it's balanced out and constantly running you can remove the final overflow

the trick with sushi is you want it to be always consistently running otherwise you'll get clogs w/o an overflow to sink

[vapid gorge]

and think of it like this - if there's no way for excess iron to go won't it clog and back up the copper from moving?

[icy sun]

that's what the original issue was I think, heh

let me test an overflow to remove backups. thank you both

[vapid gorge]

remember to have a sink at the end!

[icy sun]

If i have the iron ore splitting at my miner and going to two factories, will using this sink overflow mess with it eventually balancing? since it's not backing up and redistributing?

I only need 39 iron going to the factory where I'm trying out the sushi belt, and I need 107 going to the other factory up the way.

[median heath]

Always clarify that in an ideal system this sink should never actually activate. It is purely there for when the GAME fucks up.

[icy sun]

because that 146 iron, split at the miner is going 73/73 now, with the excess over the 39 needed down here being sunk instead of balancing back to my HMF factory that needs 107

I'm using a sushi with the copper and iron to keep my long-distance bus neat, and to try and learn how the game works better

[vapid gorge]

I mentioned it before 🙂

[median heath]

Well tbf you don't remove the final overflow 😉

And I just caught up on reading.

[vapid gorge]

couldn't you if it got balanced out? dupe bugs are rare

[icy sun]

this won't balance out though right? because the sinks prevent backups and the manifold needs a backup to balance?

[vapid gorge]

I'm not sure what you mean by 'won't balance out' ?

as long as each splitter is set to Item and Overflow it should even out fairly quickly

are you splitting that sushi line into 2 though?

@icy sun

[icy sun]

This is just a hypothetical to help me understand

[vapid gorge]

ah well it would depend how you want to set it up

if you're merging it like that at the bottom it won't work like you want it to

if you merge it and have it just be 1 long line through both factories with a sink at the end? sure

[icy sun]

that 150 iron becomes 75/75 and the left factory never gets full, while the right factory sinks 25, correct?

[vapid gorge]

yup

So either you'd want to make it 1 long line, or split both copper and iron up before merging and make 2 sushi lines

[icy sun]

cool. so my error is splitting at the miner. I need to bus it through

[vapid gorge]

wdym splitting at the miner?

[icy sun]

the 75/75 in my hypothetical

[vapid gorge]

ah right. Well if you're using this as an example you could split the 150 into 3 belts and merge 2 of them to have 1 at 50 and 1 at 100

[icy sun]

so a manifold?

load balance

[vapid gorge]

well not at that point

so using yoru example you have 100 iron + 50 copper on one side and 100 copper + 50 iron on the other

I wouldn't call it a load balancer because you're not using it to feed anything at that point

but in this example you could easily split each resource into two belts and merge them appropriately

[icy sun]

but I can't rely on machines backing up to create a manifold in the traditional sense, because of the sinks

[vapid gorge]

you can - as long as you do those initial splits

so split the iron into 100 and 50 and the copper into 100 and 50. And then just merge them into 2 sushi lines for each factory

the other way, in this example, would to just make it 1 line going through both factories with 1 sink at the end

[icy sun]

i do have to use the same splitter/merger logistics of a load balancing system to achieve that though, right?

to do the first way

[vapid gorge]

only at the main resource lines, not feeding hte machines. Splitting a line into certain parts per min is an aspect of load balancing but you're not using that mechanic to feed it in a load balanced fashion

[icy sun]

i understand

[vapid gorge]

you can also do it in one line like this

so as long as you have a belt that can move 300 pm this is workable

[icy sun]

which appeals to me more than doing the second way, haha

I haven't tried doing the splitter/merger dance yet

[vapid gorge]

I mean either way works and I'm sure they will both have + and - depending on the exact situation you're in

[icy sun]

I appreciate that

[vapid gorge]

like if both factories are right next to each other? 1 line is probably simpler

if they were further apart and had a lot of crap between them maybe splitting and managing them at the start is easier

[icy sun]

yeah, my plan is a big resource bus feeding like five factories that only needed the mats from one iron/copper/cat/lime and just having it all manifold. It sounds like employing sushi is gonna mean I need to rebuild the bus infrastructure though, which I already completed for the entire project. So I think I'll do the efficient thing and separate the copper and iron lines that feed this factory and stick to the original manifold plan for this project. Then for the next one I can use this knowledge to sushi a master belt through multiple small factories

[vapid gorge]

by bus do you mean like in Factorio?

[icy sun]

just a big long aqueduct

[vapid gorge]

ah so just a lot of belts.
well you wouldn't need to rebuild, just manage merging stuff at teh destination

[icy sun]

hmm

[vapid gorge]

I'm almost certain with Clocking you can make it work very easily

if just splitting a belt is getting messy? look at clocking the machines differently to make life simpler

[wind spade]

Yeah, that's not a bus 🙂

[icy sun]

what's a bus?

[vapid gorge]

something where thigns are taken off and put back on and sorted and moved along

while it's something you can do in satisfactory the game definitely doesn't lend itself to it

[icy sun]

Ahh, I gotcha. I always thought a bus was just a collection of belts that traveled a distance, taking on and/or dropping off resources

[vapid gorge]

yeah a lot of people think that, common don't stress

[icy sun]

Crisis averted

What should I call that?

[wind spade]

Belts

[vapid gorge]

a stack of belts?

[icy sun]

Haha, deal

[vapid gorge]

a highway? xD

[icy sun]

Beltway

[median heath]

Gross.

[wind spade]

Yeah, you never build on both sides of bus

Also not leaving space between belts

[frigid sandal]

is it worth making turbo fuel or stick too diluted fuel till i get nuclear?

[vapid gorge]

up to you - you can get to nuclear with coal just fine too

Some people find the complexity of the various TF recipes fun

[frigid sandal]

alright thanks

[wind spade]

personally I'd say diluted gives enough power for nuclear and doesn't require two extra raw resources, so I'd stick with that. but your save, your rules 🙂

[fringe pawn]

Sulfur is close enough to crater lake coal that I can see 200 coal plants being viable endgame power.

[ebon pilot]

I'm jumping from normal fuel to nuclear.

[median heath]

As you should.

[frigid sandal]

yeah im running fuel rn without diluting it rn so I think i should have enough till nuclear

[vapid estuary]

although having packages floating around one's world is ripe with possibility, if the only usage is the packaged fuel recipes, my overall feeling is heck no

[wind spade]

the packages never leave their 1:1:1 loop

[floral spade]

Satisfactory has confirmed that I shouldn’t be driving a tractor

[ebon pilot]

Why?

[oblique hollow]

Revoked drivers license

[primal flicker]

Watch me do this for 1.0

[uncut flicker]

Is there a reason for this freight car not loading anything? Freight platform is full, station is on the time table. He stops then leaves 1-2 seconds after

[primal flicker]

Station set to Load and not Unload?

[uncut flicker]

Yes

[vapid gorge]

take a picture from further away

[teal tiger]

is this inventory space a mod or just late game?

[median heath]

Mod.

[teal tiger]

sucks

[median heath]

Maximum normal inventory is 81 slots.

Not really.

[oblique hollow]

Big inventories suck for organization

[little elk]

big inventories ~ AGS with no build cost

if you care about not running back and having everything, why not activate ags and not worry at all

[median heath]

81 slots is more than adequate if you aren't carrying shit you don't need to carry.

My inventory has 4-5 completely empty rows at all times unless I am actively building a project.

[little elk]

whenever i'm desinging blue prints i wish i had ags on on my save. i usually would not want it elsewhere though

[little elk]

yeah you need to put the dismantled belt load somewhere 😄

[median heath]

Have an AGS save specifically for making BPs. Then just copy the files to your normal saves.

[little elk]

yeah i was thinking that exact thing but due to having to copy it i wonder if it is more hassle or more clean (folder / bp mess wise) in the end

[median heath]

The "hassle" of moving a file between folders...

The horror....

[oblique hollow]

I just keep an ISC of stuff next to the BPD.
Or, you know. Put stuff IN the BPD storage

Because that uses stuff from the BPD first

[little elk]

i usually just have a awesome shop next to my BP designer😄

still not able to put in words how needed and awesome this BP system is ❤️

[fringe pawn]

I wouldn't feel bad turning on AGS for making blueprints. EMpty your inventory, and when you're done designing, just delete all the stuff that ended up in your inventory.

I do blueprints in a separate save just for performance, though.

[true junco]

I wouldnt do that. Anytime I have cleared the designer it deletes everything in the designer storage before filling it with the dissassembled materials.

[oblique hollow]

oh right that funny bug

aaaah if only 1.0 was here

[oblique hollow]

its actually the inverse: loading a BP

dismantling a BP correctly returns materials

but loading a BP uses all stacks of a needed material

[true junco]

However it happens. I always empty the BPD storage before selecting a BP or clearing one. 😆

[plain sail]

how can i get alternate recipes faster? ive been trying to get the silicon circuit board recipe for a while but i cant seem to get it...

[grizzled grove]

Upload thy save to https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

Once uploaded you can change your save however you wish like unlocking every alternant

Save the file it gives you, throw it back into your saves folder open it in satisfactory

[plain sail]

thanks

[primal flicker]

It's a numbers game. There are more than enough hard drives to research. Best vanilla strat is to keep build a temp MAM every 10-11 minutes to research while hunting for more. And research every possible drive (it returns back to your inventory after 10 minutes of no recipe can be unlocked).

Or you can go to your load saves screen, pick the last one, and enable AGS to unlock all recipes.

[plain sail]

does this affect any recipes outside of alternates?

[primal flicker]

It just unlocks them when you get to the required tech milestone

[plain sail]

oh alright. thanks!

[vapid gorge]

it's also a full map spoiler in case you like exploration

[hot bison]

any tips on staying playing the game instead of after a hour quitting

[vapid gorge]

how far along have you gotten?

[hot bison]

basically just starting Tier 5 and 6 of the space elevator

i just got plastic

and rubber

[vapid gorge]

Well you haven't unlocked most of the interesting things about hte game and it is a sandbox. So once you've unlocked everything hopefully you have an idea about what you like about the game and make your own goals

if there aren't at least a few aspects of the game you find enjoyable maybe you just don't like the game?

[hot bison]

i love the game i think its mostly cause i dont have anyone to play with is a big reason

[plain sail]

i do the same thing

[hot bison]

i can play a game by myself for like a week straight but them i stop

[vapid gorge]

imo it's very strongly a single player game but you can always try #1201555265942724758

[plain sail]

i only play when my friend is playing

[vapid gorge]

I'd never let anyone touch my factories

[hot bison]

i dont have any friends lmao

[plain sail]

well thats one issue

[hot bison]

lol

same thing when i play ark primal fear too

or any game for that matter. ill have challengs for myself but never end up doing them

[unkempt plaza]

I find its a lot easier when I plan out everything instead of just running around and doing random things. Make use of the to-do list, gather all materials needed before you set off to build something, have a general idea of how you want things to look before you start building

[lament jolt]

Can anyone help me figure out if I did my nuke water trains right? 3 drop off stations (18 wagons each), 6 18 wagon trains (2 per station), 1 pickup station (with a place holder station in-between) connected to 72 water extractors at 250%.

Total round trip on furthest station near the power plant is a bit shy of 4:24.

I will test with some spawned nuke fuel in a bit, haven't finished the delivery belt work yet, or the production plant, or the recycling plant lmao

Each of those 3 drop off stations feeds two separate reactors. My power plant will be 108 each at 250% also

Per fluid freight platform*

[oblique hollow]

how much water are you piping into each platform

1200/min?

[lament jolt]

Yeah, the source station gets both inputs at 600.

[oblique hollow]

That doesnt work

[wind spade]

also just out of curiosity, why not build the plants over water?

[lament jolt]

I'm strange and eccentric

[wind spade]

and yeah this won't work - train platforms lock up when train is docked

[oblique hollow]

Frright platforms, when docking, dont accept or output fluid for 27 seconds. So you cannot run something at max throughput. The max per platform is closer to around 800 - 900

And that requires using buffers

If you dont have any buffers eight now either, its even worse

[lament jolt]

max water extractors I could fit under this was not enough

[primal flicker]

Would a packaged water train actually get more throughput?

[wind spade]

not really

[oblique hollow]

Its about equal

[vapid gorge]

Over ocean you could

[oblique hollow]

You lose space due to canisters

[wind spade]

yeah that's why you usually build nuclear plants over ocean

[primal flicker]

Time to run a big water pipeline maybe

[lament jolt]

I'm playing via GeForce Now, and don't wish to rebuild 108 reactors over the water where there is enough room for 216 extractors. If I understand my train pathing, one third will pause every so often, then the other two will have plenty for a bit

[oblique hollow]

Pathing doesnt affect this as much

Its the fact that the plaftoms cannot sustain the demand, fundamentally

[lament jolt]

What I mean is three trains can drop off in sequence, while the other 3 are en route. Was debating adding one more train for each drop off station...

[oblique hollow]

you'd need to have a rount trip time of about 100 seconds per stop

to approach 880/min water

[lament jolt]

4:25 is the average, so far. That was before I built the 5 additional trains and signals.

[wind spade]

the limit is per platform and you can't work around it

[oblique hollow]

that puts you way below 300/min per platform then

[lament jolt]

Water Source

I'm open to increasing trains, just don't want to move the power plant.

[vapid gorge]

This is going to be both a literal and metaphorical train wreck 🍿

[lament jolt]

Aw, thanks for the vote of confidence!

[vapid gorge]

Why are the buffers in series??

xD

[lament jolt]

Because 72 water extractors feed a total of six 18 wagon trains.

[median heath]

Why are there multiple buffers....

You need 1 per platform. That's it.

[vapid gorge]

Having them in series will not help

[vapid gorge]

I believe they are also trying to move two full pipes per platform

[median heath]

1. That isn;t possible.
2. Still need only 1 buffer. Just an IFB instead of a normal.

[lament jolt]

Yes, that is correct. One train refills while another drops off

[vapid gorge]

As has been explained that doesn’t matter as platforms stop the flow while unloading and loading

[wind spade]

just fyi a side view may also be helpful

[median heath]

You CANNOT push more than that config allows.

@wind spade only side view I have 😬

I didn't do a portfolio series on this specific configuration yet.

[wind spade]

better than nothing, just saying that from the 4 images you can't see what's under

[lament jolt]

I did see that the source station would refill at 1200/minute. Interval on trains coming in is about 1:30 at max, idk.... I'll tinker with it

[median heath]

1200/min isn't possible.

[lament jolt]

Refill, with 4 extractors on two pipes. It is totally possible

[median heath]

It literally is not possible.

It cannot be done.

[vapid gorge]

What do you not understand that water flow stops loading and unloading?

[median heath]

No matter what you think you can achieve. Unless you modify the way the game operates at a code level, it is not physically possible to push 1200/min fluid or the full capacity of 2 belts through a train platform.

[lament jolt]

Not throughput

[primal flicker]

It's 1200/min when no train is docked, right?

[lament jolt]

I mean the platform refills at 1200, when empty of a train. I need that at least to have enough water to fill a can

[median heath]

Why would you care about this context?

[primal flicker]

Exposing the source of confusion, i.e. why the game UI gives misleading info here.

[vapid gorge]

So if ever the platforms pause you can’t get 1200 throughput right?

[lament jolt]

I know that. I'm thinking of timing other trains to come in before the platform is down to 1100 for a refill back to full

[wind spade]

that's... not how it works

[vapid gorge]

How would creating more pauses help?

[wind spade]

the more trains come to the platforms, the more time the platform keeps locked, the less fluid can enter

[lament jolt]

Pipes still move water with gravity

[wind spade]

that's irrelevant

[vapid gorge]

Do you just not want to believe us? Cause at this point I have to believe you’re trolling

[lament jolt]

No, I'm not trolling. Think of a glass of water with two straws. Take one out but try using both to drink the water. It can't be done due to a quirk in physics. Similar concept with more trains, I think.

[wind spade]

no

[vapid gorge]

Well the person who wrote the pipe manual has told you that’s not how it works

The person who wrote the throughput equations on the wiki has told you

The person who wrote the production planner for the game has told you no

And someone with 3k+ hours in the game has said the same thing.

If you aren’t trolling please consider you are wildly wrong

[primal flicker]

More trains means more time that the station inputs are closed.

Docking a train before the platform is full is shooting yourself in both feet.

[wind spade]

ignore anything else, just think about this:

• the fluid platform has two inputs, both of which can only do 600/min at most, 1200/min in total when no train is docked
• when train docks, both inputs LOCK UP, meaning they can't accept any fluid, so 0/min during train docking
• after train leaves, it continues to be 1200/min

simply using logic - the total average should be less than 1200/min, right?

[primal flicker]

And to follow, the maximum throughout occurs when trains are spaced so that there is just enough time for the platform to completely refill between docking lockouts.

[lament jolt]

@vapid gorge nice way to be a friendly person in a chat room. You don't have to reade.the riot act over my design. I'm NOT playing to follow the perfect game or be 1000% efficient. It is a game, for FUN, and so what if my design is flawed. If it mostly works, batteries can take up the slack for my factories if some of the power plant is offline while waiting for water.

[primal flicker]

Do you want the power plant to work?
Or to mostly work?
Because I'm sure the consensus opinion would be that those are different goals.

[oblique hollow]

Then why bother asking if it doesnt matter

[vapid gorge]

Sigh you were insistent that what you were building was to move 1200 fluid pm per platform and we were trying to warn you that it would not at all work as intended

Now you’re back peddling with ‘it doesn’t matter how much it moves!!’ Instead of admitting you could have been wrong. Dick move

[oblique hollow]

Do you want help or not?
And if yes: with what

[lament jolt]

I asked because I wanted to see if anyone had success in running something like it. I don't actually need 108 fully overclocked plants to always be online. I'm building for fun, and to see how close I can get it working to my style

[wind spade]

the whole conversation started with you asking

Can anyone help me figure out if I did my nuke water trains right?

all of us were (in friendly way, at least from start) telling you that you indeed didn't do your fluid trains right

[lament jolt]

Internet is full of people who take things too seriously

[wind spade]

how seriously do you want us to take the question "did I do it right?"

[vapid gorge]

Don’t ask for help I guess since you don’t like getting it

[wind spade]

there's definitely people that had success moving water to nuclear plants
but for that, they most likely kept each platform to 600 fluid at most, added a buffer in front of it and each platform was connected to one clocked plant (or if not clocked, to equal amount of non-clocked plants)

[oblique hollow]

It depends on how functional you want the answer to be:
Pipe water to a nuke? Yes, been done before.
Pipe water to a nuke and have it run at close to 100% efficiency? Also done by others before, yes.

Yours counts towards the first category

It works. How well it works is irrelevant it seems

[lament jolt]

Ok, if each plant has a small fluid tank in front of it, and that tank is full before the rods arrive, with my approximate 2:21 seconds to bring a full train up, might it work better? Does that make a more reasonable question?

[primal flicker]

You said 72 extractors to 18 platforms? That's 480/min throughput, per platform. Definitely achievable. Comes down to proper use of the tested and proven buffer design, and timing of round trips per loco, I think.

I would not put buffers anywhere EXCEPT at the platforms, on both ends.

[lament jolt]

I want to see if this could balance enough for the 27 seconds of no flow from above

[oblique hollow]

Two nukes chugs 480/min water.
If you pick a large fluid buffer, thats 1200, so 5 minutes until empty.
You would need to fill this tank at a rate of more than 480/min so it can refill. With 600/min, you would need to supply it for 10 minutes continuously

[wind spade]

the limitation of moving water through trains is always the train platforms
you have two options:

• connect a pipe directly to the output - gives low throughput
• connect a pipe with a buffer (as Sev shown) - gives higher throughput (but can't EVER reach 1200, realistically you're gonna get like 800 at most, even with two pipes and a buffer)

so you have to always plan around this, easiest (if you don't want to dive deep into the math) is to just have one pipe go into one platform

[primal flicker]

The platform buffer configuration that Sev showed you should be used both at the loading and unloading platforms. Eliminates the need for what you've got there. And more reliable.

[wind spade]

don't build buffers anywhere expect the loading and unloading platforms, use the configuration Sev provided

[lament jolt]

And when 1.0 comes out, who wants to bet they overhaul fluid pipes?

[wind spade]

nobody

[primal flicker]

I doubt it

[wind spade]

fluid pipes are fine the way they are

just people thinking about them weirdly

[oblique hollow]

I heard they might fix some bugs

But i didnt hear of an overhaul

[primal flicker]

Can valves be rescued?

[oblique hollow]

If they wanted to overhaul them they wouldn't fix old bugs

[primal flicker]

Because if not, they should be removed.

[lament jolt]

Valves need a power or control panel, I think. Like the power switches and priority

Building a loop of pipe with a pump on a switch is too strange, to me

[oblique hollow]

Belts dont have that either

[vapid gorge]

build in sections of like 3 machines using only 1 junction then.

that usually works loopless

[wind spade]

valves are not needed at all 😛

[oblique hollow]

Turning off the pumps is an odd choice

[primal flicker]

I feel like they were designed by different people than whoever actually worked on the fluid physics simulation, and that they must have been conceived from a "pipe = liquid conveyor belt" view of things...

[hot bison]

Yeah im trying to do that more and more. Thanks for the input!

Anyone in the desert spawn know how I can make steel things with 1 iron node close to multiple coal nodes. I scanned the area and there are no more iron nodes close to the 2 coal nodes I have available

[granite nova]

i have a question is it worth converting my heavy oil into petroulem coke and using it for a mini coal power plant setup?

[wind spade]

move out 😉

[oblique hollow]

Im pretty sure theres more than one iron node

[fickle cave]

i uploaded satisfactory mod manager but i don't know about it is secure

someone for help me?

[oblique hollow]

you mean the spot neat the lake, right? close to the forest

That one has coal and iron

[oblique hollow]

Its made by the community and we generaly trust it

as long as you downloaded it from ficsit.app

[fickle cave]

yes i download in the fiscit.app

[oblique hollow]

yep thats the one

[fickle cave]

ficsit*

okay

thx yu

i upload the refined mode

it's so good

[oblique hollow]

You can join the modding discord to learn more about mods there and talk with other people who use it

[brisk shore]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @oblique hollow

[fickle cave]

yeah i join before i requested you

but i been scared just that

[primal flicker]

Which desert?
In either case, the answer is normally "do the math".

[oblique hollow]

45 iron and 45 coal = 45/min steel ingots with default recipe

!wikisearch steel_ingot

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=steel_ingot

[granite nova]

can one of yall help me with computer production

[vapid gorge]

more specifics

[granite nova]

i need to bring plastic and rubber to base and automate encased beams

oh and circut boards

[vapid gorge]

And?

[granite nova]

thats it

[primal flicker]

What's the problem?

[vapid gorge]

so use belts or vehicles to bring them in

[granite nova]

ok

[wind spade]

or use the resources where you made them, start outposting and don't have a single "base" 🙂

[granite nova]

ok

[wind spade]

any option is fine really, the game can be played in many ways

[granite nova]

alright

i was gonna try do that

but there werent any iron or copper there

[wind spade]

well usually you plan where you build the factory based on available locations 🙂

[vapid gorge]

you could pick a different spot then

or choose to bring in the resources

[granite nova]

well the oil is 300-250m away

so i think imma just bring in

[vapid gorge]

sure

[granite nova]

thanks for the help both of u

[hot bison]

The starting dessert that’s recommended for beginners

[vapid gorge]

there's plenty of iron nearby. at worst - you use that iron node and a coal node.

[primal flicker]

Yeah just use the recipe information in game to figure out the ratio of coal/iron and go from there.

[median heath]

Ice cream?
Or brownies?

[obsidian edge]

how much is 1361?

[median heath]

Pie is a more advanced dessert.

Cake has layers...

[obsidian edge]

1x6x57?

[median heath]

Your phone has a calculator.

[obsidian edge]

this is a math chanel right?

[regal mica]

this isnt a channel where you go to get someone to do math for you, this is where you come to talk about how it applies to the game

[versed violet]

here we solve satisfactory problems relating to game, or weird cases like this:

[unborn schooner]

so im struggling with something that might be very simple
im producing 180 steel pipes i want to use 140 of these for industrial beams
i want the remaining 40 for alternate steel frames and rotors bc those need 10 per machine
however i dont know how to split of 40 from 180

[slim sorrel]

split a 60 belt off then split that line into 3 lines put 2 into 1 merger thats your 40 then the other back into the 120 left to make 140

[unborn schooner]

would this work?

[fierce cypress]

yes

that works

[deft lichen]

great image, isn't it? 😄

[primal flicker]

The answer, of course, is Master Shake from Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

[wind spade]

many options:

• have two groups of machines making steel pipes, one group making 140 and one 40 - each group goes into one belt
• manifold (just a row of splitters, it balances itself over time)
• 1:1 inputs (each steel pipe machine goes to one machine needing steel pipes, again clocking it to match ratio if needed), or 1:X or X:1
• balancer (what guys above sent)

personally I'd recommend one of the first two options

[unborn schooner]

ye im using the little contraption i made the screenshot of rn its working so far but im using manifolds to actually get the pipes into the assemblers

[wind spade]

you could use manifold here as well 🙂

but personally I like the "group machines so that you never have to split" the best

[woven anchor]

🍔 = 6
🍟 = i or -i
🥤 =

[versed violet]

Please spoiler tag the answer 😉

[devout kayak]

this is impossible, 🍟x🍟 is essentially 🍟^2, which cannot be negative, yet has to be equal to -1 because 18 / 3 is 6

i think

[median heath]

Fries ^ 2 = Cholesterol

Idk where this "-1" business is coming from.

[mystic moon]

Google imaginary numbers

[devout kayak]

yeah, i know imaginary numbers. Maybe i shouldn't have, but i just assumed the problem was operating in a domain of real numbers because the person was relating it to satisfactory, and it's kinda hard to incorporate i into a production line.

[devout kayak]

since 18 / 3 is 6, 🍔 = 6, so 🍔 + (🍟x🍟) = 5 is eqivilent to 6 + (🍟x🍟) = 5, and when you subtract 6 from both sides to isolate (🍟x🍟), you get (🍟x🍟) = 5 - 6, which is equal to (🍟x🍟) = -1

[median heath]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-missed-over-your-head-gif-8604199

[devout kayak]

no i get it, i just wanted to explain why 99% of people can't solve it

[fierce ruin]

Hi, probably a bit of a simplistic question for this but I've been wondering.

If I'm running an extrator and belts at 480/s supplying furnaces consuming 45/s, that ratio comes out to 10.6

Would having 11 furnaces mean some aren't smelting some of the time, so it's better to built 10 furnaces so that they're all completely full allk the time? Even if it back sup the miner?

Mostly just tring to understand if I have the logic right ont his ^^ thank you!

[wind spade]

why not build exactly 10.6? 🤔

clock speed is your friend

[fierce ruin]

awww hell you're right

so would that mean setting the last machine to 60% speed?

[wind spade]

indeed 🙂

[fierce ruin]

Awesome! Thanks!

[heady vine]

having 8 250% clock nuclear PPs, how to know how much fuel they, how much waste they produce, and how much plutonium FRs can be refurbushed from that waste?

[wind spade]

a plant at 250% produces 250% power out of 250% fuel and makes 250% waste

[primal flicker]

Exactly the same as 20 of them at 100%

[heady vine]

having 20 100% clock nuclear PPs, how to know how much fuel they need, how much waste they produce, and how much plutonium FRs can be refurbushed from that waste?

i need a ratio...

[wind spade]

some of this info is on wiki

[primal flicker]

!wikisearch Nuclear_Power_Plant

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Nuclear_Power_Plant

[wind spade]

how many PFRs you can make depends on recipe choices

[primal flicker]

Recycling ratios can change significantly based on which recipes you have available/intend to use. The majority of players choose to max UFR and sink the waste as PFR, but making more PFR and burning them for power is also viable.

[heady vine]

100% recycling

i think i remember something around 4 UFR and 200 waste

but can't remmber how much PFR i can make from that

[wind spade]

again, depends on recipes you choose

[vapid gorge]

use this and the wiki https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production

[heady vine]

exactly what i am using. but there i still need to select desired amount of PFR

[wind spade]

because it still differs based on recipes 🤷‍♂️

you can make more PFRs for more sink points or less PFRs for less resource usage

[primal flicker]

@heady vine this way makes more plutonium, just for fun. But it's an example of how greeny's tool can be used to dial in exactly the production you want to achieve.

I like how the water from fertile uranium is 1:1 recycled in the nitric and sulfuric acid. No VIP needed anywhere.

[mystic grove]

im not sure if this is the correct channel to put this in, but does anyone have a design that has multiple resource inputs, stores the resources, then distributes them equally to different outputs? if that makes any sense

[wind spade]

in general I'd recommend not storing things mid-production line

if you want something in storage, make a production line that outputs things to storage

[deft lichen]

What you're looking for is a n:m balancer but it's bad design in two different ways

[wind spade]

and for the distribution - it's generally easier that if you need X, you make X, connect it directly, and not have to distribute things at all

kinda related - https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[mystic grove]

yeah, im stupid and wanted to do a world where i have one base that processes everything, i know its impracticle but i felt like it. So basically the issue I have right now is the fact that all my resources are not being distributed properly so im trying to make 'resource pools' before the production line but its not working out very well yet

[wind spade]

it's not working very well because the approach isn't designed to work well 🙂

[mystic grove]

I really with there was a programmable splitter/merger that you can have two inputs and two outputs, that would make something like what im thinking really easy but its unnefective cause its useless in almost every other area

and yeah as i said i know its impractical

[wind spade]

obviously you can do whatever you want, but you're fighting against the game, so issues are to be expected

[mystic grove]

very true

[wind spade]

hence why I recommended to do things in a better-ish way

otherwise there's not really much we can help you with, since what you're doing is what you want to do and if you're dead set on it, then there's not really much to improve

[heady vine]

so then how to make a choice?

[wind spade]

you have to make it

[mystic grove]

im too far into the world to change now but thanks anyway

[heady vine]

2.4? strange

[heady vine]

based on what? haha

[wind spade]

on your preferences

[heady vine]

it seems like a flip of 32 coins

[wind spade]

in the message you've replied to, I've given you basically two extremes, you can choose between them

[primal flicker]

2.4 PFR = 24 NPP
1.8 UFR = 9 NPP
All whole numbers.

[soft knot]

are there any tools or sites for satisfactory that would help me work out how to get certain numbers with splitters and mergers? i’m trying to split 840 into even quarters and I’m not the best with maths

[wind spade]

usually people just use manifolds

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[soft knot]

😭 i have 3 values of 240 and one 120 and if i get the even quarters of 840 they’ll be going into a smaller manifold system

[wind spade]

if you have 240, connect it to machines that need 240 🤷‍♂️

[median heath]

So you just need to pull 30 from each of the 240 lines.

Splitter with a mk1 will take off 60, split that again to get 30 and remerge the other 30 back to the main.

[soft knot]

thanks i’ll try that

[wind spade]

will it always? 🤔 I think there was some research on this some time back, that with certain speeds of main belt it may not split 60/min

[median heath]

Use a smart to force priority. Simple.

[wind spade]

yeah with that it should probably work

without that I'm not sure

[wind spade]

but honestly I'd just do this ^

[soft knot]

i would but i have like 36(?) assemblers set up for compacted coal got 4 entry points for coal so I’m trying to distribute the coal as even as i can for smaller manifold set ups

[wind spade]

build it so that three entries needs 240 and one needs 120 🤷‍♂️

[soft knot]

yeah maybe

[wind spade]

in general you should consider your logistics before building a factory

[soft knot]

yeah that’s what i’m doing 👍

[heady vine]

ok so i found that my setup was for 150/50 waste split

[unborn schooner]

how do i split a 172.5 conveyor into 1 belt with 50, 1 with 60 and one with 62.5

or can i just split it in 3 and let it overflow so it evens itself out

[mystic moon]

overflow

[unborn schooner]

alr

[heady vine]

this is going to be it

but i am sad that it wont introduce as much of a jump as i was hoping for...

its almost easier to build another 9GW fuel PP

*two ofthem

at least i wont need to solve any logistic problems

[north monolith]

How radioactive get areas in which Uranium fuel rods and Encased uranium cells are produced, provided there are no other sources of radioactivity? So just the uranium fed directly to the machines with minimal buffers and these end products? I've read on wiki that stored uranium waste can contaminate up to 400m radius, how about these ones? Will they also go up to 400m with time, or will the dissipation rate balance the radioactivity buildup in a smaller area?

[primal flicker]

If you properly load balance the radioactive things it's not bad at all.

Perma-storage for waste involves dozens of containers full of it in a single stack. Big difference.

[wind spade]

it depends on how much you have (and you'll always have other radioactive sources in your world)

it scales much slower with amount though, so while first few items increase the "radius" by a lot, later you may need thousands or even more items to increase the radius by same amount

and there's no "dissipation" or "with time"

radiation is fixed, if no new item is made, it stays exactly the same

[north monolith]

OK, maybe I assumed wrong so I will ask - do things and the area around the sources of radiation become irradiated themselves and stay radioactive even after the source is removed? Or is the radioactive area a direct result of the presence of sources of radioactivity and if the sources are removed, radioactivity disappears immediately?

I assumed things become radioactive because when in my gameplay I put a power tower next to uranium stuff, in the beginning there would be no radioactivity on top of it. But when I visited later, the tower itself seemed to become radioactive.

Iirc that's how it works irl, but I could be wrong

[primal flicker]

Only the RAM is radioactive.

Nothing becomes irradiated.

[north monolith]

OK, so that stuff is just a buggy behaviour?

[primal flicker]

And IRL only heavy metals exposed to sustained high levels of radiation become significantly irradiated.

[primal flicker]

There is a bug where radiation remains after removing a uranium deposit, for example. Normally fixes itself on reloading the save.

[wind spade]

no, radiation is calculated every tick

[north monolith]

Thanks, that clarifies everything. Is there a max radius? These 400m mentioned in wiki? I've read someone writing somewhere that they had to start a new save because the whole world was radioactive, they stored so much waste. Is it possible?

[wind spade]

there's no max radius

and storing waste can't really get you to whole world radioactive, you'd need thousands of years for that

[primal flicker]

There's a formula. It drops off at an inverse cube rate so you have to cube the amount of material stored in one place to double the size of the radiation zone.

You'd have a hard time making a damaging zone with a 500m radius. Long term storage of waste is not impractical from that standpoint, only the number of containers you have to build and link together. And blueprints have somewhat trivialized that.

[wind spade]

especially if you build it at build height level or in the corner of the map (or both), it'd take years to reach your base

[primal flicker]

Decades, even.

[north monolith]

Thank you both for your explanation

[median heath]

Put it on a train. Will take only minutes 😉

[primal flicker]

Can you still build under terrain?
Serpentine belt that goes under the entire land area.

[median heath]

Even in 1.0 you'll be able to build under unless they raise the death floor considerably.

[primal flicker]

Didn't UE5 make it harder to clip through terrain? So it may become limited to the places you can go through void holes.

IDK if tunnel rat's kind of accomplishments will be able to be replicated, at any rate.

[median heath]

Harder =/= impossible 😉

[sick scarab]

what is the best way to get 200 plastic with 150 oil p/min at pahe 3 because no blender only mk4 conveyer belts?

[primal flicker]

You don't need blenders for any oil products.

Belt speed doesn't matter either.

[mental spire]

Hello guys its my first game in satisfactory and i just did the second-to-last space elevator thing so now i see tier 7 and 8 of the HUB and i see a lot of crafts that need computers ... so my question is in your opinion what amount of computers i need to produce to be at ease with end game productions and not wait for dozens of hours ?

[wind spade]

my opinion is that you just make a few to storage for personal use. And then if a factory needs computers, you make them seprately in that factory

[mental spire]

hmm ok i see

[wind spade]

see also https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[mental spire]

you way to think means that you have to change your factories very often in the game and do one factory for pretty much each (current) end game item.. don't u have small factories to produce a good amount of heavy modular frames for exemple ?

[wind spade]

no, you don't change anything with this approach

you make small amount to storage, and you most likely never will need more

[mental spire]

hmm okay thank you for your help

[teal tiger]

i have 2 oil extractor, one with 600 oil the other with 150, i have total consumption of 750L crude oil, but one factory takes 300 and the other 450, will it regulate itself?

cause somehow im short of crude oil

i just merged two oil extractor with junction crosses, and splitted them aswell with junction crosses

[primal flicker]

An H setup of piping will allow things to self balance.

No valves, pumps, or buffers needed.

[teal tiger]

does my method work aswell?

so i expected a overflow in one system since its 50/50 but gets alot more than that, and the overflow just goes to the other factory

just like conveyer belts

[primal flicker]

Can't push over 600 in one pipe so an H between two junctions would work best I think

That will split 150 off the 600 line.

[teal tiger]

what happens with the open ends?

cause like.. i only have 2 inputs.. a H has 4

[primal flicker]

They'll dead-end/backflow when they reach capacity.

2 in, 2 out

[teal tiger]

oh yeah sure

[primal flicker]

150 + 600 in, 300 + 450 out

[teal tiger]

i mean if i look closer

i have a H system

[vapid gorge]

It's not impossible for it t owork is the short of it - what I would do though is process the 600 and 150 in their own groups and then merge the outputs of the initial process to it's respective factories

[weak plinth]

you can just make a big loop of manifolds out of it: just connect the end of your 2 refinery pipe manifolds together, then feed in the oil from your 2 extractors to the other side of the manifolds.

I do this everywhere simply because it prevents all problems with sloshing etc and even allows to build much more machines in a row since you can feed more than 600 into one manifold.

[wind spade]

@marsh ravine @round agate for alt recipe choices, see #math-and-meta message

[marsh ravine]

thank you thought thats where i saw em last.

[wind spade]

uh?

[wind spade]

I'm linking you a message in a channel, not channel directly 🙂

[marsh ravine]

huh

im confused

[round agate]

Ah thanks

[wind spade]

if you click on the link in the message above, it leads you to a message in this channel, where I've explained how to pick alt recipes 🙂

[marsh ravine]

sorry i dont use discord alot, i didnt know what that was

[wind spade]

yeah it's fine 🙂

[granite nova]

how do u make an intersection on a railway

[primal flicker]

You cross two rails.

[teal tiger]

first time building a train do they fit here through?

[sand epoch]

Build it and see...?

[sharp scaffold]

Select train and see

I think 5-10 height in wall is enough

Assuming each wall is around some meter or larger

[teal tiger]

whats this so called train loop?

the easiest way of getting around the map. in which terms? cause the terrain is flat there?

[true junco]

My last global train route was sort of that, but it went down to the coast where you diverted from the icky route then followed the coast past the swamp and then followed the cliffs until it got to the blue crater waterfall.

[wind spade]

no reason to build a loop imo

[teal tiger]

lmao how is my blueprint too big for the blueprint station

[wind spade]

most likely made with modded BP sizes?

[teal tiger]

nope

ig its cuz of this?

how is this possible i literally just built this blueprint

oh it was cause of painted beams

[rare goblet]

what is this?

[true junco]

There are plenty of reasons.

"Because i want to ride a train all the way around the map" being all the reason one needs tho.

[wind spade]

imo

[median heath]

Graphical bug.

[rare goblet]

oh ok

[median heath]

Imo, I would not build this loop.
You logistics should evolve to suit your needs.
Plan your factory locations then build the route that connects them. If it happens to match that loop, so be it. But most likely it will not. Your loop should match your locations.
Your locations should not be forced by someone else's loop.

[soft knot]

if i produce 384 turbo fuel a minute am i right in thinking I could use that to power approximately 85 fuel generators or is my maths very wrong? i haven't used fuel generators or turbo fuel before

85 doesn't seem right

and I'd end up producing 12,800 MW

[true junco]

Off hand idk. Number of generators is whatever your input fuelrate is divided by consumption per generator. (Which is base rate adjusted by clocking)

[soft knot]

so i divided 384 (fuel input per minute) by 4.5 (fuel consumption per minute) and that's given me approximately 85

so that must be right then

[median heath]

*ahem

This is Satisfactory. We do not deal in "approximately"s.

[soft knot]

my bad 85.33333333333333 fuel generators*

[median heath]

vomits explosively

[onyx breach]

Alright so we agree that this pose no problem for a manifold? Each black square are smelters with a consumption of 30/min each

Red square is a spliter btw

[dense cave]

I mean honestly, just go for a straight manifold instead of trying to do controlled splits

[onyx breach]

i don't have engouh space for a straight one

[wind spade]

unless one of the boxes is storage, nothing is a problem to a manifold

[onyx breach]

bc of terrain

[wind spade]

if one of them is storage, you may need priority splitters

[onyx breach]

ok

[vapid gorge]

@unborn heron if you want to post a pic of what you're trying to do from overhead I could prob give you suggestions?

[unborn heron]

So I think i found the problem. I've been ignoring numbers completely, so I went and looked at a guide, and equally distributed my miner to 4 smelters since 120 divided by 4 is 30, so that means my stuff is perfectly even, now I just gotta keep that consistency down the chain

[vapid gorge]

yeah ignoring numbers completely will do that 😄 so did the guide talk about a manifold?

[unborn heron]

this is what I got, completely redid factory and stop n go is fixed

[vapid gorge]

ok so what it looks like the guide told you to do was something called Load Balancing.

I generally don't recommend it if you're just starting it out and maybe overwhelmed with other things

[unborn heron]

idk what other thing to do, now im at the point where I have 2 producers making screws, a split where 2 are goin to the producers and the 3rd is going to storage, but nothings going to storage and somethings bottlenecking. I'm tryna figure out the balance of having some irons rods AND screws

this is so hard doing max effiency -_-

[vapid gorge]

well for one - don't try to do 'max efficiency' when you're having a bit of trouble getting the basics down

if you want to send something to storage and you haven't unlocked Smart Splitters in the MAM? just make 1 machine that produces items that goes to storage

[unborn heron]

its at least better than last factory I just tore down, last one was stopped almost completely then going, this ones just a tiny stop n go

O true. Lol

[vapid gorge]

for two just feed machines in a line like this

works out perfectly efficient as long as you're feeding the right parts per min (ppm)

[unborn heron]

I think I actually did that on my own lemme see

[arctic gyro]

big blueptinter?

[unborn heron]

yeah like that, although my machines are way spread further apart

[vapid gorge]

someone's mod

[vapid gorge]

yup that's the output it looks like, you can do that with input as well

[arctic gyro]

[vapid gorge]

it's gross and I hate it but it's a good example of a manifold

[arctic gyro]

true

[vapid gorge]

when the first machine in a manifold gets more than it's share it'll eventually fill up and over flow to the next. After a while it works at 100%

[unborn heron]

although machine in middle aint getting shit, and uh... manifold?

[vapid gorge]

that's what it's called when you have a belt feeding a line of machines one after the other

if the machine in the middle isn't getting anything there's a build error

this will be 100% for every set up. Fast and compact

[unborn heron]

I understand how the output works across various machines with the manifold, but I guess I don't necessarily understand the input

I have this setup which looks different from that

looks way different

[vapid gorge]

yeah and as I said the guide was a guide for Load Balancing , which is manually splitting things

[unborn heron]

but my output matches that

[vapid gorge]

where as Manifolds, like in the image, eventually deliver thigns evenly on it's own.

[arctic gyro]

Just set up the nuclear power plants in binary form on the priority powerswtich system, now I can turn on 1 to 7 nuclear plants with only 3 switches

Just thought some nerds might appreciate

[vapid gorge]

couldn't you do it with 1 swtich?

[unborn heron]

I actually don't know how to fix it now, just spent so much time making it this -_- I still dont understand why the middle split in my splitter wont send anything but the other 2 splits do

[arctic gyro]

How? The. You turn off all 7 or none

[unborn heron]

and mats are halting and going, so it should be going to the free machine

[arctic gyro]

Now you can have any number from 1 to 7 if you have 7 power plants and 3 switch

[vapid gorge]

in this image it seems fine? take another pic

[arctic gyro]

If 4 is on one 2 is on one and 1 is on one, you can alternate between having 0 - 7 like the 8digit system

[unborn heron]

see? Mats are at a standstill going to the two machines, middle machine is accepting shit

[arctic gyro]

If I had 8 more I could do 0 - 15 hexadecimal

[vapid gorge]

That doesn't show anything about what's going on on the middle machien at all

can't see the belt or the light of the machine

[arctic gyro]

What is your conveyor speed also the rod to screws is not 1 to 1

[vapid gorge]

too many cooks etcome

[arctic gyro]

So you would need one powerslug for every screw machine to make it run one to one with iron rods

[vapid gorge]

rebuild the belt and see

[unborn heron]

Already tried

[vapid gorge]

did you build the splitter ON the belt?

[unborn heron]

Yeah I did, I just rebuild the entire thing and it seemed to have fixed it, although my beautiful belts are now a centimeter crooked xD

[sinful birch]

0/10 game, had to do math to make sure I chose the most efficient option

[unborn heron]

Okay, now I have a SHIT ton of screws. At this point, if the amount of screws I have is egregious and I still have too many rods, should I just divert a path to a storage unit?

cuz im still stoppin' and going

[vapid gorge]

Don't build spliters/mergers on top of belts

it can cause issues like that

[unborn heron]

? I didnt think there was any other way

[vapid gorge]

But going back to manifolds - do you understand that this would work just the same?

[vapid gorge]

build splitters on foundations

[unborn heron]

I think I get it, so like, from the miner, have one long continuous belt, then build splitters on each one for x amount of machines, then for the output, do exact same thing but with mergers?

[vapid gorge]

yup, it just takes time to spin up to 100% but it's much faster than Load Balancers and you don't really have to think about it much

[unborn heron]

fuck but I already got this factory working great, I think maybe ill keep this one like this and ill manifold the next, only on phase 2 so I assume I got lots of room to grow

fuck me and my adhd, I've been playing for 8 hours straight

maybe it's time for a break..

[vapid gorge]

yeah you don't have to rebuild it, just something to keep in mind

load balancing can get very very complex very quickly

[unborn heron]

how in tf do I get both outputs into all 4 inputs? Notice the other elevator in distance

Unless both are supposed to get fed into same belt?

am I on right track?

[vapid gorge]

I'm not sure what the question is you're trying to do 2 belts into the machines?

[unborn heron]

Pretty much, two outputs into 4 inputs

[vapid gorge]

if so two manifolds. could put another layer on top , or just to the side and clip the belts

[unborn heron]

So splitters on top and bottom?

[vapid gorge]

or on the side

[vapid gorge]

that's one of hte million ways to do it. it's just how you want it to be layed out

[arctic gyro]

its one of my blueprints for assemblers

[unborn heron]

I think I figured it out

[vapid gorge]

this also works

[unborn heron]

its hideous, but it worked. I used stackable conveyors for first time

I think that's the only use case Ive had for it yet

[vapid gorge]

you can build splitters on top of each other

[unborn heron]

Yeah thats what I did see ^

I saw someone that did outputs coming from below, but no clue how id make that shit work, this works.

[vapid gorge]

from below it's basically the same thing really just need lifts usually

[unborn heron]

it's not the shittiest setup, it took a few hours to get going but this factory is EONS more efficient

[arctic gyro]

[unborn heron]

BEHOLD, THE FRUITS OF MY LABOR

all this shit just for rotors, this aint even the main factory which is also a shitshow I havent touched

[viscid swallow]

The more u do stuff and play the game u will find ways to make stuff better.

[unborn heron]

thats the main shit show over yonder

ADHD took over hardcore, 9 hours is long enough, break time. I think I got a lot done today

[arctic gyro]

HELP THIS IS ONLY THE MIDDLE

[viscid swallow]

Btw in the start of the game you will be a mess but then u get to like the last phase of the game u can start setting up factory that stay for long long time but the ones u have now are just to help u tho the game

[arctic gyro]

lol that one light out of place

twitch twich*

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Need more planning

[arctic gyro]

no, this is the other half 😄

[viscid swallow]

U needed to make the tower bigger

[arctic gyro]

I did plan this

I need to decorate

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I bet u did but for me that is a mess in my eyes

[arctic gyro]

it obviously hollow

every floor is color coded into what is making 😄

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Nice

[arctic gyro]

also:

it produces 8653 turbo ammo per min that gets sunk for over 1 mill points

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Nice

That is lots

[arctic gyro]

and with a flip of the switch the sinks turns off and the packaged turbofuel overflowes to the tower with a smart splitter to 46+ fully overclocked generators. set to priority switch 8, so automated power if circuit breaks

or nuclear death..

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Nice

Back up plan for fail safe

[arctic gyro]

yes and if not it sinks over 300 000 more per min than the best item in the game per min 😄

in terms of points 😄

[viscid swallow]

Does that one item give the most points tho bc I think there is better ones for points

[arctic gyro]

well, one thermal propultion rocket is worth a bit more than 700k

[viscid swallow]

What about the star thing

[arctic gyro]

on machine at one hundre percent needs ALOT of stuff

that is the star thing

thermal propultion rockets

[viscid swallow]

Mmmmm nice

That tells me what I wanted to say

What about the other one

[arctic gyro]

120*8653= 1 038 360

[viscid swallow]

Yep easy math

[arctic gyro]

but look

all this from 450 oil, one pure sulfur, one pure copper some coal

just try making 8653 reinforced iron plates per min

[viscid swallow]

What recipe are u use for that many

[arctic gyro]

it says in the picture i sent first

its actually 5 different factories excluding the overflow powergenerators

and I also had to add 60 packagers for the overflow mechanism

because you just wouldn't be able to do the same with pipes

so im gonna make this tower into a rocket

also the red lights for turbo sinking only turns on with the switch aswell 😄

[viscid swallow]

I don't see Iron plates unless I am blind

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Nice plan

[arctic gyro]

they are equivalent in point sink

value

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Yep ik

[arctic gyro]

but no, I don not use them in this build

[viscid swallow]

So no iron plates

[arctic gyro]

nope

this is the top:

well, if i climed up the radar tower it would be

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Bro

Sky train lol

[arctic gyro]

I can drink my coffee cup 6 times whilst falling

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If u go to the top of the tower u can press Alt and left click it tells u how far stuff / ping stuff

[arctic gyro]

its not working?

w

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Nice that is tall

[arctic gyro]

I was kind of afaraid to die when stuff started to become white

hah, puny space elevator

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Yeah I think u have like 200m more u can go bc u can still see land

[arctic gyro]

Well, I think I'm good 😄

It has been, satisfactory

No I just need to make it LOOK like a rocket and mabe fix thos flying conveyer belts

but probably not

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Just use drones lol

[arctic gyro]

its like.. over 3k rifle ammo per minute that need transfer

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It is only like 4 drones

Ports

[arctic gyro]

and batteries

[viscid swallow]

Yeah just make some in the rocket

But u don't have to tho

[arctic gyro]

the rocket is packed bro

and symmertrical

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Idk just a idea

[arctic gyro]

look at those awesome sinks that will turn into the rocket wing side thingie 😄

[viscid swallow]

That is lots of wings

[arctic gyro]

12

how else would you sink 8653 resources per minute on 780 belts

6 on each side of the rocket

alternating between the floors

nom nom nom

This is the only room in the rocket that has the actual switch and would be a controll room of sorts

it's messy,

[viscid swallow]

Nice view tho

[arctic gyro]

and there is this other half tower wher the rockets would be attached to in real life, whilst building it, but this is making all the smokless powder and rifle ammo:

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Nice

[arctic gyro]

it has a bridge perfectly lined up with the control room

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Eipc

[arctic gyro]

but yeah, this shit, gots to goooo

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Yeah I don't like that to

[arctic gyro]

Im just saying I had alot of trouble getting this to run effciently

here are the 3 other factories dedicated to the rocket building and at their respective nodes

[viscid swallow]

Nice

[arctic gyro]

one of them actually has a drone port because of the quartz

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Yeah

One question

So if I have a road setup and have a 2 way train line in the middle of the road and all of it on the same lvl to

Does a truck stop for a train or does it run into it

[arctic gyro]

I think you need to use signal lights

[viscid swallow]

Bc I am going to build this

[arctic gyro]

lol what

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Yeah ik how trains work but idk how they work if they run on the same road line if they have to cut over

[arctic gyro]

what does it do, stunning

[viscid swallow]

This is just pic yet and I have not build it yet

[arctic gyro]

honestly, never built a train 😄 finished the entire game without that and jumpads

But i did look extensivly into it on youtube

before making that decision 😄

so, I think you still should use signal light and then there is this mode that should show you whether a line is red or green or yellow so that it can always show the correct path regardless

[viscid swallow]

Ik how trains work

[arctic gyro]

I don't, just trying to be helpful with what I know 😄

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Yeah ik thx man

[arctic gyro]

but, what is it going to do?

that building

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No idea yet but I am going in the are a where 900 oil is but the desert

[arctic gyro]

Show me something cool that you made 😄

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I have like Nothing right now bc I am cleaning my map so stuff is a mess

[arctic gyro]

Don't be shy

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I have that but I be removing it tho

[arctic gyro]

What is that? Also how?

Are those for trains? Do they work?

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It is just using ramp 2m and going up

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Yes for trains but I don't have it working bc I be remove it

[arctic gyro]

But a train can just do a turn like that?

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Yes if u build it right there is videos on it and it is done with no mods to

[arctic gyro]

Don't you have a nice looking hub? And minihub blueprints?

Or cool blue prints?

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Not really yet

The hard part will be getting water and I be using the 2 water wells

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Yeah, I haven't even been to the desert yet

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I am not build in the desert

I am on the outside side of it

[arctic gyro]

damn, someone built some radars

This is one of my Minihub blueprints

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Nice what is inside

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Nice hub

[arctic gyro]

so it has a workbench, crafter, mam, and that priority switch

but it's not the best

it also has storage conatiner and those you see there, and an extra room empty room

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It is better then mine

[arctic gyro]

This is better

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Yeah

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garage

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Maybe add some colors to it so it stay out more

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garage right

there is a storage container hooked up to a awesome sink for trash

the cybertruck fits perfectly in this garage, and you clip right to the second floor perfectly with it from where i have it set up with a veiw 😄

garage left

inside first floor

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That is my main area I be

[arctic gyro]

wow so tidy

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What is a good use for liquid biofuel bc I have lots of it

[arctic gyro]

jetpack?

I had lots of power and a impure oil node

now I have a tower and 4 other building that require over 8k mw 😄

over there in the distance is my main place to be

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I have 11152 package bio fuel and the buffer is full to of 2,400 k and I have over 12k soild biofuel

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Nice

[arctic gyro]

Well, I never bothered with liquid biofuel 😄

all my biomass are used for filters or solid biofuel then overflow into sink

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Yeah I make to pack it up

[arctic gyro]

here is my best combat blueprint

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Nice bro

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my nuclear plant

This is basically my main area

im gonna hide all that spaghetti

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I am working on something and I show u.it then it is done

[arctic gyro]

this is basically right outside my actual hub, where I have all my storage containers 😄

my overflow system

such a beautiful game

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Working pipe wall thing is so hard and u will see

[arctic gyro]

what do you mean ?

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What it looks like so far

Still not done

[arctic gyro]

maybe build a foundation to the hight you want so you can snap and drag the pipes where you want from the floor instead?

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I will have the pipes run under the trains

[arctic gyro]

Then delete foundation

I can see that 😄

smart, sexy

That should be a blueprint my friend

so you don't have to do that x times

[median heath]

Why not just put the fluid on the train?

[arctic gyro]

sexyness?

aesthtics ?

but also, a very good point

I don't know how good the flow rate is by train though

[median heath]

Define "good"?

[arctic gyro]

without lag

[median heath]

Same as the flowrate on belted trains.

[arctic gyro]

like, if you need 300 pr/min and the train is traveling and loading

[viscid swallow]

One train car hold 1.6k

[median heath]

300/min is easily doable.

[arctic gyro]

just hypothetical though

i again, have never used train 😄

[median heath]

Being non-hypothetical:

[arctic gyro]

sushi manifolder is a great name

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Why I have pipes under it bc pipes are cool looking

[median heath]

Trains will always have less throughput than belts/pipes. It is inherent to their mechanics.

Using them is a choice.

[arctic gyro]

well, Im just not sure what is best

[viscid swallow]

Yep just like everything we do in the game

[median heath]

Lucky for you, there is no best.

[arctic gyro]

I do like the ability to see what is going on inside the droneports on the map

dont get that from the station stuff

but I mean, it all comes down to belt and pipes in the end

in which case the train seems to have the ability to have 2 conveyer belts to output at the same time or am I wrong?

I wish I could see inside the drones and vehicels as well

[median heath]

Trains cannot match the 2 belts because they have lockout periods where nothing is transferred.

[viscid swallow]

Just add 2 trains

[arctic gyro]

but I saw this video that solved that at least partially with a industrial storage container

[median heath]

More trains lowers throughput in the vast majority of cases.

[arctic gyro]

but then it only gets one good belt speed

same as drones then

[median heath]

Hi.
As the person who wrote the equations and the wiki page on train throughput--

Trains are incapable of matching the throughput of 2 belts per platform.
There is absolutely no workaround unless you modify the game code.

I do not care at all what YTubers think they know.

[arctic gyro]

yeah, one belt constantly just avoiding the lockout

no?

[viscid swallow]

Why does not line up in the middle ugh

[arctic gyro]

but yeah, not 2 belts

[median heath]

If you choose the limit yourself to 1 belt per platform...
Why?
You're just giving up an extra 300-500 items per/min no discernable reason. 🤷‍♂️

[arctic gyro]

what? I don't understand

[median heath]

Maximums
50 per Stack
-88.62s RtD
-1083.3 Items/min

100 per Stack
-150.16s RtD
-1278.66 Items/min

200 per Stack
-273.23s RtD
-1405.4 Items/min

500 per Stack
-642.46s RtD
-1494.25 Items/min

Fluid Trains
-107.08s RtD
-896.52 Items/min

If you force your limitation to 1 belt (780), you're choosing to NOT move 1080-1494.

I don't know why you would restrict your platforms to hundreds per minute less than they can handle.

[arctic gyro]

I don't understand :D, all I meant or thought, was 2 convyerbelts go into a industreal storage container and one goes out so that when the stopping of transfer occurs the one belt is still tranferring to avoid lag

[median heath]

You don't understand how one belt = one belt?

[arctic gyro]

but 2 belts stopping because train is stopping

insted of one continous

[median heath]

@vapid gorge help...

[arctic gyro]

is what I saw, so you take more out than you put in so you can take out without lag

kind of feel like it makes sense

but yeah, I understand that one belt is still gonna be limited to 780

but 2 belts will never go without lag, or will it?

I don't know, you're the one who wrote in the bible

[median heath]

Two belts will never reach 1560.
But if you don't need 1560, how would that be an issue?

If you need 1200, and you deliver 1200... ?

[arctic gyro]

what if you need.. over 3 k

[median heath]

Obviously any number over 1500 requires more than 1 platform.

[arctic gyro]

obvious to you my good sir.

[median heath]

Maximum platform capacities are listed above.
Highest number is 1494.25

So any number above that cannot be handled by a single platform.

[arctic gyro]

okey, but if you need it to be lagfree

[median heath]

No, you do not.

[arctic gyro]

you couldn't use 1 platform for 1400

[median heath]

Yes, you could.

[arctic gyro]

but how with the train stopping

[median heath]

Put your brain all the way back yo Tier 1-2.

When you plugged a Smelter into a Constructor to make Iron Plates.

[arctic gyro]

I finished the entire game without even unlocking trains

they are still "new" for me

[median heath]

Smelter produces at 30/min
Constructor consumes at 30/min

There is NOT a continuous flow of items. There is a "lag" between cycles. But everything operates just fine because supply = demand.

Because nothing in the game actually gives a shit about "per min".
That's just how all of you choose to think about it.

[arctic gyro]

I mean, if you're not getting enough per min, you are not getting 100%

The game kind of gives a shit

[median heath]

I assure you it does not.

Cycle times and clock speed are all it cares about.

[arctic gyro]

which is different?

[median heath]

Yes.

[arctic gyro]

aren't they directly corresponding to the items per min?

[median heath]

No.
You are choosing to make that translation.

[arctic gyro]

now I am so confused

[median heath]

Thinking the game cares about per minute leads to things like thinking 1/3rd of a machine is possible.

[viscid swallow]

Me made a 2 way road

[arctic gyro]

Can it be a road if it doesn't go 2 ways?

[viscid swallow]

Yes that is a 1 way road

[median heath]

And 1-way roads technically work better in this game.

[arctic gyro]

I don't understand how the clockspeed which directly changes the items/per min can be so much diffent 😄

can you reverse with the trains?

[median heath]

Clock speed changes the Cycle Time directly.

For people who think in "per min", yes it has an secondary affect on that.

[arctic gyro]

well, the machine is producing that item per min, so it's hard to not think of it as the primary factor when doing calculations

[median heath]

No, it is not.

The machine is producing items per cycle.

All of the "per minute" stuff wasn't even on the UI for a good amount of time at the beginning of the game.

[arctic gyro]

which is how many?

[median heath]

They added it later as a purely visual thing because people kept bitching.

[arctic gyro]

like how would you tell then ?

would you have to count itÆ?

[median heath]

When you open the machine.
Left side tells you amount needed per cycle.
Middle tells you cycle time.
Right side tells you amount produced per cycle.

[vapid gorge]

whats going on?

I'm not reading all that xD

[median heath]

At that specific point in the conversation we were moving into "I don't know how else to answer this" territory. We have diverged now.

[arctic gyro]

Making new friends every day

Maybe you have some cool and/or smart blueprint ideas

[vapid gorge]

I don't use bps really

[arctic gyro]

do you know why I cannot send screenshots in the screenshot channel, but I can in this one?

[vapid gorge]

look at the delay

[arctic gyro]

actually asking your friend, The Train God

I mean, interesting name, tested a bunch probably to write the wiki 😄

[median heath]

Please do not call me that.

[arctic gyro]

Well, Im trying to pronounce Sevrahn in my head

it's hard

[median heath]

"Sev" 🙃

[arctic gyro]

So, Sev, show me some build or blueprints or something cool 😄

do you have a youtube channel perhaps?

[median heath]

No.

[arctic gyro]

thought so

[median heath]

But also I don't work on demand. 🙂

[arctic gyro]

oh, I thought it was like sharing is caring fun and passion stuff 😄

not business

I mean, just scroll upp and see what I've been up to 🙂

[median heath]

This is math-meta.
Sharing-is-caring people are down in #design-and-architecture 😉