math-and-meta

[compact adder]

Anyone got the maths for turning 8400 nuclear waste in to plutonium fuel cells

[opaque oak]

No? Because that needs mods?

https://u6.satisfactorytools.com/production <- Calculate yourself?

[vast jungle]

8400 is easy... 8400/minute? No... 😉

[frosty pawn]

would be nice if we could choose some tabs to use as input for another tab, so like set up a modular frame graph and an industrial beam graph and then use those as inputs for a heavy modular frame graph. would have to do some more fiddling in the input sub-tab but would help me plan logistics in addition to individual factories

[frosty pawn]

https://u6.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=J6u1Ae5uXDYuWXbDP47A

1260 plutonium cells

no alts though, you could probably get more with alts

just checked, yes you can, but oh boy is it more complicated 😅

[vast jungle]

hmm... who the hell did design the recipe for the Thermal Propulsion Rocket? It seems a lot more effort than the Magnetic Field Generator and the Assembly Director System...

[opaque oak]

Hmm... have to see how the fluid platform buffering needs to be changed for gasses...

[mystic moon]

It is the most complex by a fair margin

[vast jungle]

Just finished the pasta... And trying to decide what's next

[mystic moon]

Well the magnetic field generators are relatively simple, same with the assembly director system
You could do both of those at 5/min in under 50h I'd think

That'd get all 4k done probably before you before you finished your build of the rockets

[vast jungle]

Nuclear pasta in the titan forest was a mixture of fun and frustration... 36 times copper alloy just for the powder 😀

But maybe it's a good thing, i need to surrogate electromagnetic control rods and cooling systems anyways. Time for a new aluminium factory

[rose aurora]

Hello all! What's the trick to get Nuclear to run full time? I've spent a week babysitting my nuclear plant and no matter what I do, my water and sulfuric acid get backed up eventually. How do you prevent fluids from getting backed up?

[deft lichen]

don't merge fresh and recycled water

[rose aurora]

what do you do with the recycled then?

[deft lichen]

have machines that run exclusively using fresh or recycled water

alternatively burn the water off in coal generators and use only fresh water

[rose aurora]

good idea. what about the sulfuric acid?

[deft lichen]

still applies but you can't go the burn off route

[rose aurora]

makes sense

[tropic hawk]

You can try packaging and sinking it

[rose aurora]

that's what I thought he was going to say

I don't have plastic near me yet but I can make that happen

[opaque oak]

Only reason the sulfiric acid backs up is when the enduser cannot exhaust the byproduct water.

[tropic hawk]

There is an alt for canisters that only requires iron iirc

[opaque oak]

So no need to do anything with the sulfiric acid loop.

[deft lichen]

sinking fluid is always caused by poor planning

[rose aurora]

that's OP

[opaque oak]

And with sulfiric acid, you should be able to just have closed cycle once you have primed the thing.

[rose aurora]

So you're saying my problem is the water?

[tropic hawk]

Number one rule of nuclear: Assume you screwed up somewhere. Build redundant systems to ensure smooth production of radioactive products

[tropic hawk]

Maybe. I would have to see the set-up before I made any definitive judgements

[rose aurora]

I'll fix the water first and see how it holds up

thx gents

[tropic hawk]

Our pleasure

[deft lichen]

🤷 I had more problems with looping fluids in aluminum rather than nuclear

[tropic hawk]

It's wierd how I have more trouble with aluminum than a full nuclear plant...

[bronze silo]

how is this too steep? lol

[tropic hawk]

Conveyor walls are stupid when it comes to belts. I say make that portion first then do the other side

[bronze silo]

will do

[tiny sentinel]

So I've got a simple oil rig set up with standard recipes (I'm waiting till I get blenders before I set up a bonkers turbofuel powerplant so I can skip the packaging loop)
Anyway, here's what I'm making:
600 Oil ➡️ 400 plastic + 200 HOR
600 Oil ➡️ 400 Rubber + 400 HOR
600 HOR ➡️ 400 Fuel

all my machines are on the same level with pipes connecting them via sub floor logistics. However, my production of fuel doesn't seem to match the math,
I set up 34 Fuel Gens with one clocked to 33% since 400/12 = 33.333
I've checked and rechecked my pipes but some parts seem to be not flowing. I'm just frustrated and can't seem to pin point why my fuel isn't hitting 400/min as expected
Seems a lot of the HOR is backing up, but it shouldn't be. I'm making 600 from my rubber and plastic combined, but it's not getting into the machines at a very quick rate, even though all machines are on the same level, so headlift shouldn't be an issue.

[wind spade]

try looping the pipe

[signal inlet]

Do Pipeline junction crosses allow more than 600 fluid/min to flow through them?

[tropic hawk]

They have unlimited throughput

[signal inlet]

Great, cuz I'm using one with two "600 crude oil/min" to balance the two lines

[wind spade]

if both are 600/min, why do you need to balance them?

[signal inlet]

it's a little more complicated than that

[tropic hawk]

We got the time

[signal inlet]

I'm splitting 3 lines into four lines

so it's for "pipe balancing"

[tropic hawk]

What is the input, and why do you want to split it?

[signal inlet]

3x "600" crude oil per minute

[wind spade]

why not keep 3 lines? each line to it's own set of machines?

[signal inlet]

cuz there are four split blocks with refineries

4x 12 refinieries to be exact

[wind spade]

well... you should've built 3 if you know you have 3 pipes 😛

[signal inlet]

it's cuz of the design

I'll show you

but I gotta go far away

the building is huge

[wind spade]

3x16 would work as well, but 🤷‍♂️

[signal inlet]

nonono

as i said it's cuz of the design

[wind spade]

now, simplest way to do what you want is:

600  600  600
 |    |    |
 +--+-+-+--+
 |  |   |  |
12  12 12  12

[tropic hawk]

Well you could feed each system and then take the overflow and combine it into one pipe and feed it to the last row

[signal inlet]

don't have the space for these additional ones

[wind spade]

12 are the refineries

[signal inlet]

that's also because of the design

[tropic hawk]

The 1's as you call it are pipe symbols...

[wind spade]

for them you want to loop the pipe

->--+---------------+
    |               |
    +--+-- ... --+--+
    |  |         |  |
    R  R         R  R

or

    +---------------+
    |               |
->--+--+-- ... --+--+
    |  |         |  |
    R  R         R  R

design is one thing, but I assume you also want functional fluid setup 😛

[signal inlet]

this is my plastic, rubber and fuel megabuilding 2 levels producing rubber, 2 levels producing plastic, one level producing fuel and then one levels for the trains

you can see some of the chimneys sticking out of the roofs, that's one of the 12x refinery blocks

[wind spade]

well I won't really comment on your design, if you came to ask about math, I've given my answers 😉

600  600  600
 |    |    |
 +--+-+-+--+
 |  |   |  |
12  12 12  12

^ this for split works nicely

and this for each 12 refineries

    +---------------+
    |               |
->--+--+-- ... --+--+
    |  |         |  |
    R  R   ...   R  R

[signal inlet]

blue are the refineries red is where the logistics are housed

[wind spade]

also heavily recommend to feed from above, not from below

[signal inlet]

its just the bottom most level, where the crude oil is fed from below

all other levels will get fed from the top

another question, I've tried doing it with blueprints now, but is there any way of placing pipe junctions vertically without them getting weird angles like that?

[oblique notch]

Yes. You have to make sure your bounding boxes (the invisible box that would surround your bp) is the size of x foundations

[signal inlet]

@wind spade this is how the pipes are being managed on the other floors

[signal inlet]

I don't get it

I can't even place it correctly in the blueprint

idc if it's in a blueprint but I just need the junction to not have an ange

[oblique notch]

When you save a blueprint it automatically puts a box around all the items, as small as It possibly can. The snap points of that box are dynamically assigned based on the size of the box.

So If you put foundations down in your BP, and build everything so it doesn't overhang a foundation, then you'll have good snapping.

As for placing, put the pipes first and snap the junction to a pipe. You can always remove the pipes later.

[signal inlet]

ye, ye that's what I did

but the problem is that the pipe junction allways has this weird angle

[oblique notch]

It could be a perception illusion.

[signal inlet]

It's somehow aligned to some weird global grid or something like that

[oblique notch]

Those show up a lot. Unless if you snap pipes to the junctions they give a not straight pipe

[signal inlet]

nono, I can't place down pipes if there's a normal junction close to that

it sais Invalid form

[oblique notch]

You placed a long pipe then put junctions on it, then removed the pipe?

[signal inlet]

it really is a weird alignment

[signal inlet]

yes

[oblique notch]

Then it may be the model mesh is off slightly.

[signal inlet]

it's even worse where I originally wanted to place the pipe:

creating a blueprint made it less worse cuz I just aligned the blueprint creator to that weird grid

I don't have that problem when the junction is horizontally though

Like, they are perfectly fine

[glossy aspen]

Any suggestions on what I should do with 4270 heavy oil residue P/M

[signal inlet]

fuel, then burn it to produce energy or you could go even further and produce turbo fuel then burn that in fuel generators

[glossy aspen]

i mean thats a good what

3412.5 turbo per min

[signal inlet]

or 2847 fuel per min

[glossy aspen]

thats 28 fuel generators

or I could turn it into pet coke and put it into a sink

because I'm set for life on power

[signal inlet]

but why would you wanna do that If you could generate that much power

[signal inlet]

oh

[glossy aspen]

wait lemme see my main grid

[signal inlet]

damn, I wish I had that much power

[glossy aspen]

I use a mod refined power and its way more expensive to run than just nuclear power plants but

[signal inlet]

400 hours in and i've got like 6GW

[glossy aspen]

It produces a shit ton of power so I'm happy

[glossy aspen]

damn

[mental hollow]

Just 6000mw????

[glossy aspen]

do you sink plutonium fuel rods though

[signal inlet]

but I have things like this... soo...

[signal inlet]

yep

[mental hollow]

da hek

I havent begun setting up a giga factory

o.o

[glossy aspen]

this factory alone makes 1500 heavy oil

[signal inlet]

I keep pushing the "build a nuclear power plant" task further by connecting another thermonuclear fuel or whatever it's called

[mental hollow]

geothermal?

[signal inlet]

my max consumption is like 14GW

[signal inlet]

ah, fck ye

[glossy aspen]

funny

[mental hollow]

wew

[signal inlet]

"thermonuclear".. bruh.. I gotta go sleep

[mental hollow]

I don't trust those geothermal thingies

[signal inlet]

wdym?

[mental hollow]

Fluctuating between what, 150-400?

[glossy aspen]

put em on a thermal spot and they give off varying amounts of power every second

[signal inlet]

yee

[mental hollow]

Yea, the varying part

[glossy aspen]

thats why I only use them for charging bats

which I still haven't done yet

[signal inlet]

idc, got like 16+ energy storage thingies

[glossy aspen]

how many awesome sink points is enough per minute?

for a good amount

[mental hollow]

Idunno, i just use the awesome sink for dealing with waste material i dont know what to do with :P

Im only at around 22k/min

[glossy aspen]

damn

how many hours is in your world

[mental hollow]

60

[glossy aspen]

• Have you gotten to the point where you haft to basically sink everything you make

[mental hollow]

Not yet i suppose

[glossy aspen]

oh

guess im just different

[sand epoch]

I wish it was per minute.. lol

[mental hollow]

spicy coupons

[glossy aspen]

gained a few since i posted that

[signal inlet]

half my power is coal and the other half is fuel already but with this new factory I'll be able to burn 16GW worth of fuel

[mental hollow]

show points per minute you coward

[glossy aspen]

for the record

[mental hollow]

o.o

[glossy aspen]

i use the mod refined power and I sink my extra reactor cores

they are a bitch and a half to make even 5 per minute but

i still make a good billion per second off them

[glossy aspen]

• 500K of that consumption is for them, and no the buildings dont need more power; besides overclocking

[mental hollow]

Every major production ive done so far is all overclocked

Difficult parts I haven't overclocked yet

All in the name of saving space xD

[glossy aspen]

wait what if I packaged my heavy oil residue and just sinked that

i can use the plastic some of them are making for the canisters

[mental hollow]

Go for it

[glossy aspen]

nvm I'll just turn it into petrol for aluminum

[oblique notch]

you do know you click once to put the junction, then can use the mouse wheel to rotate it around the axis? and ctrl to snap it to that long snap line going through?

[strong quest]

@glossy aspen wait until you hit the 32 bit limit. I did in update 3

[signal inlet]

Yes, but no. Iirc you use scrol wheel before you click once and that green line isn't where I need it to be

[proper wren]

Arkadaşlar Türk var mı

[wind spade]

english only server

[proper wren]

no turkish server

@wind spade

[wind spade]

well... if there's no turkish server you can always make one

[proper wren]

how can I do it

[wind spade]

go to discord, click on the plus icon in server list 🤷‍♂️

[proper wren]

ı dont uınderstand

@wind spade

[proper wren]

🐒

[glossy aspen]

what in update 3 is equivalent to 10K thermal propulsions rockets a minute

[fierce cypress]

10k TPR/min is impossible

to supply that 2bn points continuously you'd need ~3k TPR/min, which is still impossible - im assuming they were buffered

[solemn dome]

TPR?

[fierce cypress]

thermal propulsion rocket

[mental hollow]

Nut

[mystic moon]

Yep lol

[glossy aspen]

funny mods are fun

[mystic moon]

That's a mod?

[glossy aspen]

yup normally you need a packenger

found a mod that just gives out a 1:1 on heavy residue

300 per minute in and 300 per minute out

[wind spade]

so unbalanced one

[glossy aspen]

I mean

i make well over

let me open my spreadsheet

2.5K plastic per minute

for containers, but I forgot to add them in to my factory plan so

Instead of using the heavy oil from the plastic and rubber in this factory for recycled oil and plastic like I planned I'm just gonna do this. I just had that recycled thing because I didn't want to store all that heavy oil residue.

[mystic moon]

I was thinking this was a pre-u3 factory

[glossy aspen]

But now I can just bring it up a floor or ship it to another factory

[opaque oak]

Place a horizontal pipe at right height that stops 1m before desired pipeline cross location.
Remove the support.
Stick pipeline cross to end of that pipe.
Remove the pipe.
Attaching to vertical pipe doesn't allow for exactly right orientation.

[cold owl]

Can someone help me understand how splitters and mergers work

I drew this picture cuz I'm stupid lol

So I know I need 9 smelters to saturate a mk3 belt that supplies 270 iron/m

And I wanted to stack them vertically in groups of 3

In that picture, do I use mk3 conveyor lifts to ensure that all smelters receive 30 iron/m?

[mystic moon]

Mk1 would be fine there

[cold owl]

Okay thank you!

[mystic moon]

And then just mirror the same thing on the other side but with mergers
What you're doing here is called a manifold

[cold owl]

Cool

I bet it gets trickier when I have to do fractional ratios lol

[opaque oak]

The cool thing about manifolds is, that you don't need to calculate any ratios.
Just stuff the thing full of items and make sure no single belt segments need to transport more than it can.

[cold owl]

Would the mk3 belt in my picture be the single belt segment?

[opaque oak]

And everything will balance when the belt system is full and input is same or higher as the output.

Any single belt part you build.

So a segment of belt between splitters for example. Or belt from a machine to a splitter. Etc.

[cold owl]

ohh ok

[opaque oak]

So you can have belt systems with total transfer more than your max belt, but with suitable building no single belt is asked to carry more than it can.

And because those upper splitters are only supposed to transfer 30/min, then Mk1 belt with 60/min rate can do it.

[cold owl]

Ohh

Okay I think I get it now

[opaque oak]

And the main belt needs to transfer 180 to the first splitter, so it needs to be Mk3 or better.

But the second segment could be only Mk2, and last one only Mk1. But better to keep those as Mk3 too.

Because it is good idea to not use belt at max capacity if possible.

180 to first splitter, 120 to second, 60 to third. And 30 onward from each mainline splitter.

[cold owl]

Going to attempt to do this but it won't be 100% efficient because I only have two mk2 pure iron miners overclocked at 150% to saturate two mk3 belts so my total iron input will be 540/m instead of the necessary 542.5/m

I'm only at tier 4 so I can only use mk3 conveyor belts atm. Trying to figure out how to split the 540/m iron input into two 270/m inputs with mk3 belts

[vast jungle]

just reduce the number of iron plates a little bit

[open patrol]

or screws

[vast jungle]

(I assume you already have found a single power slug so you can underclock)

[open patrol]

i see cast screw alts being used on that sheet.
if i understand it correctly.
you have 40 surplus screw

[cold owl]

Yeah I have cast screws and underclocking unlocked

[open patrol]

can underclock to trim down on the surplus screw production, or iron plate if yer a madlad

[cold owl]

Are screws used for anything else in the future?

[open patrol]

not particularly.
there are alot of recipes that use screws, but those recipes have an alternate recipe that replaces screws with something else

e.g
regular vs stitched plate.
regular reinforced plates uses bolts and iron plate.
stitched plates uses iron plates and wires (wires themselves can be crafted with iron from a different alt recipe)

[vast jungle]

screws become a bit more relevant when you can make rods from steel... but it really depends on what alternate recipes you have. you CAN get rid of them completely

[cold owl]

i only have cast screws so far

i have steel beams and steel pipes unlocked

[open patrol]

thats fine.
yer at the point of the game where screws won't literally screw you over.
some t5-8 recipes require screws in the hundreds per minute.

[vast jungle]

its okay, Screws are fine... for now 😉

[cold owl]

okay great I'll go with this setup then since it has the most whole number buildings :)

[vast jungle]

thats parts of the fun of Satisfactory... finding the right numbers for your planned factory

[open patrol]

^

[cold owl]

yeah I'm finally taking the time to plan and build an efficient and enclosed factory now that I have more stuff unlocked. Been spending a lot of time planning how it's going to look like and enjoying every second of it^^

[vast jungle]

oh, and don't forget... MK3 belts is a SWEEEET spot to be in... easy to produce and quite useful.
MK4 belts can be a pain, it will only get better when you reach Aluminium and the MK5 belts

[vapid gorge]

why wouldn't it be 100% efficient?

[opaque oak]

Because he only had input of 540/min and it wanted 542.5/min input.

[vapid gorge]

ah right. Prob just want to make the plan be iron limited then right?

[opaque oak]

He fixed it in later revision to be 540 in.

[leaden anvil]

how many water extractor that i need for 9 coal powerplan, i tried 5 but the water can reach in the 9th power plan but didnt sustain it, can only using mk1 pipe right now, also im using 1 line input where is start will be 1st and 3rd (in a row schematic, 3x1)

[frosty owl]

I suggest staying away from non-finite clocks too, if possible.
Eg: making 7.5, 12.5 or 15 rods/min instead of 5 or 10/min. The latter gives a clock of 66.6667% which would eventually starve every now and then if fed 10 Ingots/min
Same for the smelters as they have the same output/min (just times 2)

[wind spade]

I recommend doing setups of 3 extractors, 8 generators, 120 coal needed, two pipes needed, e.g.

  G  G  G  G
E-+--+--+--+
E-+
E-+--+--+--+
  G  G  G  G

[leaden anvil]

ah i understand after seeing the schematic, and my mistake is on the middle one where is the water is splitting again and it will be dividing more, means it will be get less water isnt it?

[vapid gorge]

?
I don't understand your question.
Just make sure that at no point more than 300 water has to pass by. So each generator will consume 45 water reducing the amount flowing

[leaden anvil]

do i need reconnect the last line? or just leave it like that?

[vapid gorge]

Pictures would probably help

[wind spade]

you can do both

shouldn't matter

[leaden anvil]

its okay from greeny schematic above, i noticed the mistake that i made, it because im splitting the water more than needed from the extractor into power plan, making the inconsistent supply of water, basically i made mistake on the design and it causing the power plan didnt had enough water supply

[vapid gorge]

I'm glad it's working - but in the future you need to include the lay out of hte pipes in a pic for pipe trouble shooting 🙂

[leaden anvil]

yep and thank you since i also im making sure the math are right, because basically 2 question on 1 line,
first is the math, i thinking around 4 or 5 water extractor, for 9 coal powerplan, but actually it just need 3
and the design are also wrong where is splitting water too much causing 5 water extractor i had didnt working properly, which is ended with inconsistent of water supply

[vapid gorge]

unless you are overclocking the water extractors you need more than 3 for 9

one of hte main reasons why a lot of diagrams for coal gens is a lot of people have trouble with pipes and fluids and 3 extractors feeds exactly 8 generators with no change in clocking. Keeps it simple for people

[leaden anvil]

ok, so 3 extractor will b enough for 8 generators, so i probably making it 12, then i just placing 4 with 100% clock, since all my shard are going into assembler right now

[vapid gorge]

and from that other screen shot you have 5 extractors, that make 600 water, but I assume you only have mk1 pipes that can only move 300 water

[leaden anvil]

yes, thats why i need utilizing another pipe line, and using 3 extractor and 8 generator in 1 line, and make another line with same configuration it should be fine with 3e X 8cp X 2pl

(e = extractor, cp = coal power plan, and pl = pipe line)

[vapid gorge]

3 extractors make 360 water, you'll need 2 pipes for that as well

[leaden anvil]

ok

[vapid gorge]

you really need to do the math for throughputs.

[leaden anvil]

yeah, i guess simple math for fluid will hardly working with bigger line, thats why i instantly notice the mistake

[vapid gorge]

well you just need to add up what you're doing

each extractor does 120 pm
if you have 3 that's 3x120=360 and the tool tip for hte mk1 pipes tells you it can only move 300

[leaden anvil]

yep, i made mistake when counting that because sometimes i got mistaken by the belt number

[cinder glade]

So I only have up to Mk2 belts, is there anyway to reduce the impcat

[mystic moon]

Underclock

[vapid gorge]

so it kinda sounds like you want minimal design blocks that can handle most products @mortal hill ?

[craggy kayak]

why is my fuel plant not running effiecient?? any ideas i take 1200 oil in make 1600 heavy oil residue and use 1200 (2 mk2) pipes to bring it too my dilutet packaget fuel refinerys. for some reason my pipes dont reach the transportation limit because of some refinerys backing off. im not sure why.. maybe backflow.. would that be and issue in a 15 refinery manifold?

should i use valves yes and how ? my first play through sry

so it reaches a max off 592

and its running for over 15 hours

[wind spade]

don't use valves
try looping the pipes

[oblique hollow]

with this many machines, its better to use more mk 2 pipes to move the heavy oil up

using one mk 2 pipe at 600/min is simply too unreliable/tricky

[craggy kayak]

Ok thanks.. I reaches 600 sometimes but still unreliable. I just use 4 pipes then instead of 2. Thanks for the tip

[wise sky]

i have a question how can i split a line transporting 10 items per minute into one with 6 and one with 4?

[wind spade]

well there's two ways:

• you can balance it with 1:5 balancer
• you can use a single splitter and let it balance itself

[wise sky]

okay thank you

[oblique notch]

also consider a habit of not thinking about it as "this is my line of iron ingots" but rather "this is my line of iron ingots for plates, this is my line of iron ingots for rods, this is my line for rods to screws, this is..." for everything you produce.

If you produce enough of the previous step in the chain to satisfy the current to satisfy the next you wont ever have to worry about crazy splits, manifolds will be all you ever need. (and then when youve spent several hundred, or thousands of hours in the game, and your bored, you can return to perfect splits...)

[strong quest]

🤣 no idea

[fierce cypress]

so i am once again back with the question about train deliveries and sushi, what do i need to do?

[vapid gorge]

Fall into a heap and cry?

[fierce cypress]

[vapid gorge]

I suppose you could try to loop excess items back to the buffers instead of sinking?

[opaque oak]

Put smart splitters before the buffering for the station and buffer per item?

Platform -> 2x smart splitter chain -> ISC per item -> 1x output belt per ISC.

[vapid gorge]

I think the trouble will be that the items from a train buffer won’t be coming at the speed the need to be? So there’ll be a lot of waste?

[opaque oak]

Yeah, cannot use sushi after the buffers.

Thought this was about mixed freight in the train.

[vapid gorge]

Maybe if the platforms are delivering, over time, the exact amounts it might balance out?

[opaque oak]

And not after it.

[vapid gorge]

Ah yeah mix freight is the simple part

[mystic moon]

Yeah, for example I'm using trucks to deliver to my storage room on a mixed belt

But that's my storage room so it doesn't really need to be consistent throughput as it will get there eventually

[vapid gorge]

Do you not sort it on delivery?

[opaque oak]

That thing can have full ISC per item as buffer, so the bad delivery timing from the mixed train won't matter much.
But if you want sushi again after the buffers you have to do that as separate problem with balancers and belt limits.

Or even several ISC:s in series.

[fierce cypress]

i could try a throughput limiter again

[vapid gorge]

Have you considered talking to someone about this harm you’re causing yourself?

[mystic moon]

Yeah I do

[vapid gorge]

And this is coming from me :p

[mystic moon]

I've got one truck station per bank of 18 iscs

[opaque oak]

I have separate belt in my nuclear power plant for sulfur, because it is coming straight from train, so cannot really put in the sushi with rest of the stuff.

[mystic moon]

And that is fed into a manifold of smart splitters that feed two containers each and just overflow into a sink at the end

[vast jungle]

I have a few Sushi belts that are extended over train stations... it "works" as long as you don't load them too much

[open patrol]

sushi?

new to this terminology.
what dat mean

[vapid gorge]

multiple item types on one belt

[open patrol]

ELI5.
I only understand conveyor belt, and pipe.
stick belt on one end and the other end

[vast jungle]

yeah, somehow got "infected" with the term from a friend... Sushi-Belts are mixed belts... and they can be quite troublesome

[open patrol]

IC.
actually.
so i take that i can use smart splitters and feed a bunch of X,Y, and Z into a manufacturer and be non-disadvantagous?

[vast jungle]

not completely

a mixed belt must NEVER stop... because if one item type stops, it stops the whole belt

[open patrol]

mm.
can it be manifolded?

[vast jungle]

so each mixed belt needs an Awesome-Sink at the end

you could manifold a single item type of it, but the mixed part must continue to flow

[open patrol]

makes sense.
enough

[vast jungle]

and sending them over train can be a headache if you have too many item types,

[open patrol]

oh, i'd never do that

I tried sending even two items over train

broke my brain so hard i swore off transporting multiple stacks on a vehicle.

[vast jungle]

I did this for extending my "smart splitter autosorter" from one base to a second one

[open patrol]

and i'm tempted to just ship raw resin instead of shipping both plastic and rubber cause of this rubber/plastic switcharoo incident i had

[vast jungle]

and I use it everywhere to deliver multiple types of small item quantities from a factory to the autosorter

[vapid gorge]

nah, once it balances out yo udon't even need a sink

[vast jungle]

only if you can fine-tune the content of the sushi-belt to the sum of all mixed machines

[vapid gorge]

which you should absolutely do if you are doing sushi manifolds

[vast jungle]

the only thing I would consider adding manifolds to a sushi-belt is to use a smart-splitter to get one item-type of the belt and then manifold this item type...

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah, it can definitely be nice to feed all 4 inputs on a manufacturer on one belt if you have the throughput

[vast jungle]

like I said, I mostly use Sushi-belts to deliver stuff to my warehouse...
e.g. from an "electronics" factory that produces Circuit Boards, Highspeed Connecters, Computers and Supercomputers

[open patrol]

smart splitters seem ideal for that

[vast jungle]

but if the belt ever becomes "unbalanced" then it might block...

[open patrol]

today i learned there are no AI limiter alts.
sadge

[vapid gorge]

yeah you probably still want the end belt connect a sink, but if you ahve multiple sushi belts going on i na factory you can just link them all to the one sink

[opaque oak]

Mixup, 1 belt with 4 smart splitter with individual inputs to manufacturer vs. just single perfect belt going into manufacturer with all 4 items on it.

Cobalt has the first type, Henning thought of the second one.

[vast jungle]

even the first type (without awesome sink) can be a pain...

[opaque oak]

first needs the end sink

[vapid gorge]

ah Sushi ballancer? that's a different beast

A crazy beast only a crazy person would do

right @frosty owl ?

[vast jungle]

I think I would not even build my "Sushi train extender" anymore... to much trouble and not enough capacity

I even tried to build a "stack compactor" for the Sushi station

[vapid gorge]

I wouldn't try sushi with a train line in between just sounds like a massive headache

[vast jungle]

it is

because the input of the train station easily blocks before the train is even partly full... because of lots of stacks with only a few items inside

[vapid gorge]

and even if you fed items back at the end of the sushi into the buffer .. ugh.. like... possibly if the train is only delivering a specific number of items, over time it MIGHT balance out so yo ucould do sushi w/o huge waste?

[vast jungle]

my compactor was like this...

an ISC fed by one sushi belt, two belts into the train station, one belt from the train station back into the ISC
this way the chance is higher to fill up stacks

still, I was really happy when the backlog of "base 1" finally was away and the trains (I had to add a second one) were delivering all stuff to "storage base"

[fierce cypress]

this is basically what im trying to do for mine

[zinc crater]

they only way that will work clean is a series of smart splitters breaking the sushi belt up to where it needs to go

[snow dove]

i mean yeah, that’s how sushi works, you sort it out with smart splitters

[zinc crater]

lol I know, I just meant to Tomato. they'll need smart splitters to split from or to the proper train car.

[snow dove]

they’re merging from the train car

[opaque oak]

Which means they will come in sets of stack size or bigger, unless the flow is really low.

And need to be buffered by type and merged at controlled rate into the sushi.

[opaque oak]

Reprocessing area is somewhat spicy... #screenshots
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[barren elm]

Just looks like you're producing too much

[opaque oak]

Just the minimum, was at 1.5 cycles of Plutonium Fuel rod input, so 45 Encased Plutonium Cells in each manufacturer, when single cycle uses 30.

So will bounce between 30 and 60.

24000 radiation per stack of 200 (edited, mistake originally with 50).

And four manufacturers doing plutonium rods in that cell.

Uranium Node is 10000 radiation.

I did max out all the storages and added ISC full of those cells to see how much safety zone I need for final build when there will be more of those reprocessing cells.

But didn't take a screenshot of the result.

[barren elm]

Can't be minimum if radioactivity is building up

Either that or you ran the machines too early and you've got an unused stockpile

[opaque oak]

It is stable with minimum level for the reprocessing to work. Because the Plutonium Fuel Rod production needs 30 Encased Plutonium Cells. So there needs to be 30 of those in the machine for the cycle to start. And with normal balancing, you get the other 30 cells for the next cycle while the first one runs.

So you have 60 cells just before the first cycle ends and the buffer drops to 30 and next cycle starts.

Each one is just very radioactive.

The left side with just dots is the Uranium Fuel Rod production, and the dots coming down are Uranium Waste.

Just the reprocessing gets spicy because of the big item amounts with high radioactivity each. Even when it is running balancers and the actual lines and output buffers are empty and input buffers have minimal amounts.

Whops, the stack size was 200 not 50

7.5/min of the Encased Plutonium Cells, but with cycle-time of 4 minutes...

[frosty owl]

Adding ti what Baldur said
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/segj54/plutonium_cells_are_way_too_radioactive_details/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[frosty owl]

A "solution" can be overclocking the cells-processing machines so they don't pile up as many (and end il starving for part of their production cycle)

[frosty owl]

If you know that the total throughput is within belt limit, there's no particular need to add throughput reducers or similar: just merge and expect temporary back-ups when items are unloading from the station
Buffers on either side of the merge can avoid the back-ups from reaching sensitive beltwork if needed

[wise sky]

how much coal does a coal generator consume at 100% efficency?

[deft lichen]

15/min

[wise sky]

ty

[sullen kiln]

I've heard people saying not to assume pipes are flowing at maximum efficiency at all times. I'm working on a diluted fuel power set up. Should I underclock some machines or is the concern just exaggerated? I'd like to have a constant level of power

[vapid gorge]

SO. What you heard was probably in relation to it potentially being tricky to get pipes to flow at 600pm

There's a couple ways to go about it - you can spend extra care to set up systems that will reliably do 600pm or you can spend less care and do like ... 550 set ups.

imo there isn't a huge difference as you probably need to do the same steps in how you lay your pipes in either case

It's just if you build assuming 550 max instead it gives you a bit more leeway

[mental pine]

If you need 1 cable you need 1 cable

[sullen kiln]

What are the 600pm strats? Just setting up storage for all the pipe systems?

[vapid gorge]

Storage? You mean buffers? No avoid buffers and valves unless you're doing something specific

It's more like-
-make dedicated production lines: if you need to make 450 fluid for a set of machines? Have a set of refineries or whatever making only 450 fluid and only merging them, and sending it to the section that needs it - don't merge and split things

Always loop your pipe manifolds
Don't feed from below (unless you want the extra work)
dont have unescesary elevation changes
Don't introduce verticality in your manifolds (having the manifold climb to a new floor)

always flood your system before turning it 100% on

You can do 600pm systems but you have to accept building in stricter rule sets

if you go with lower eg 550, you follow the same set of rules but can often be more flexible.
Break a little rule as a treat (sometimes)

[sullen kiln]

Thanks for all the info. What do you mean for "always loop your pipe manifolds"? Just connect the "exit" back to the "entrance"?

[oblique notch]

Yep

[vapid gorge]

basically yeah. In this image I have the fluid at a higher elevation in the loop than the points where the machines are being fed (the lower loop). Ignore the pipes going upwards I'd avoid doing that, yes @oblique notch , I'll make a new example 😛 https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/932761153703149659/1061145968495570986

[sullen kiln]

thanks, that example clears it up. Is there a collection of examples like that somewhere?

[vapid gorge]

there' might be in the pipe manual pined in this channel? There's a lot of stuff in that manual that you don't nescesarilly need but it's an interesting read. In general though you won't need to use any of the example junctions they give, except maybe some of hte waste fluid examples

Like even the VIP junction in there is... generally not a thing you need to do.

[fierce cypress]

will the temporary backups impact of efficiency - ie, will machines shutdown due to resource shortage

[wind spade]

iron plates need 30 ingots/min, iron rods need 15 ingots/min, so if you're mining 60, you have just enoough

[vapid gorge]

eh, quick questions are prob fine on here

[opaque oak]

And the radioactive spiciness isn't a problem, just thing I noticed.
I can even move the radioactive parts much closer to the normal side now.

[astral willow]

looking for an optimal place to put a nuclear power plant - any ideas? it will be fully self contained with all waste recycled, just need to get the inputs there

[opaque oak]

The Swamp uranium node is the only one with most/all other needed nodes nearby AFAIK.

[astral willow]

that's the one on the east? is it in a cave (I couldn't find it at surface level)

[opaque oak]

Behind the waterfall, entrances at north and south ends of it.

[astral willow]

ah okay cool, will try get it set up there

[sand epoch]

I prefer keeping the reactors and yheir production line separate 🙂

[vapid gorge]

look for big set ups sure, but I can see doing a single node production entirely on site. Got everything you need very localised in the swamp

[opaque oak]

And you can still separate those two within the biome. Keeping radioactive parts and non-radioactive parts separated.

[sand epoch]

I did the whole production in the crater and flew the rods into the ocean for the reactors and the waste back for recycling 🙂

Get the occasional blast of radiation as im wandering around map due to drones 🙂

[vapid gorge]

Hah xD I'm doing all the rods on speedrunner cliff and flying them off to the coast for burning and waste processing. Cbf moving a ton of waste. There's not really 1 good location left for me that can do all waste recycling anyway

[opaque oak]

I have my whole nuclear setup north of rocky desert, non-radioactive parts near the shore and radioactive parts out in the sea.
With separate rail network bringing ore in from all over the map.

And drones for uranium.

[vast jungle]

similar for me... nuclear setup including all support is in the Swamp... separated by "radioactive" vs. "non-radioactive"
I even get all necessary ores with conveyer belts from closeby

[opaque oak]

Max nuclear for me, so need to get ore from all over the map anyways.
So the large ocean was nice and have startup belt for 100 uranium from the impure node for emergencies.
And could get much of the stuff from nearby, but some stuff had to be gotten from farther out.

Circled all the nodes I had to get trains to.
Switched the second Nitrogen source later to the Jungle Spires and not the Eastern Dune Forest like circled.

[vast jungle]

I think I could support up to 30 nuclear powerplants... at the moment I have 10

[opaque oak]

Final rail network without the stations on all places but the locations done with the loops.

[vast jungle]

so its 2.4 GW coal, ~ 20 GW Diluted Fuel, 1.2 GW geothermal and 25 GW of nuclear 😉

not sure I would do the nuclear power again if I start a 4th playthrough

[vapid gorge]

Why? It's fun :d

[vast jungle]

hmm... not sure

a LOT of effort for 25 GW of power...

same reason why I stopped using Turbofuel... D(P)F just seems to be easier for the same output

[opaque oak]

Nuclear is just for those that need lot of power or want the challenge.

[vast jungle]

maybe I will change my mind after/while finishing my phase-4 space elevator factories... the first one already consumes something between 5 and 10 GW...

(3 nuclear pasta per minute)

[frosty owl]

They might starve during the first back-up, but should have piled up items to make it through the next back-up by then

[fierce cypress]

great, well it should\™️ be fine ||assuming i havent butchered the beltwork||. ill moniter it after i turn the factory on to check

[alpine geyser]

Currently tackeling the "Look Mom, I used 100% of the Uranium" - Power Plant
Did You build the rails on ground or on platforms?
Would You recommend to use the exact roads You used for the rail network or did it just occur to suit you well?

[frosty owl]

Having a separate rail network gives you less headaches if you ever have train issues as you can have a dedicated train line for nuclear stuff, which can't collide or be messed up by other trains

[opaque oak]

On platforms as close to the ground I was able without cutting down trees.

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And the big thing was to separate the power for cold start purposes.

So all the nuclear supply trains can run while all other trains wait for power from the nuclear plant.

And only nuclear related miners run etc.

[craggy kayak]

how big would you scale a late game computer factory/supercomputerfactory... are 15 supercomputer per min enough or is it better to scale larger ?

i just need the computers for the superstatecomputer recipe nothing else so i thought of 30 per min ?

[frosty owl]

"Enough" for what? ^^

For personal use, I can do with 0.2~1/min

[vapid gorge]

shrug I'm planning on doing 480pm

[craggy kayak]

ufff

[craggy kayak]

nahh the supercomputerfactory wich i would scale around 15 per minute, i just want to build the factory once and dont worry about it again for other things like personal use ans Assembly Director Systems

or just 4.8 ??

i just dont know how much supercomputers i will need in future so i can start to build a big enough computerfactory for the world since i dont need computers exept for building for anything else exept radio control units where i plan to use radio control system recipe

[wind spade]

tip: don't plan for future. Plan for how much you need now. You can always expand later

[craggy kayak]

i mean supercomputers dont have many uses exept building and Assembly Director Systems.

[wind spade]

and ADS will probably have their own factory anyway

[craggy kayak]

yeah.. i will just send the supercomputer there

[craggy kayak]

thanks for the tip

[wind spade]

oh I meant that it will make it's own supercomputers

[craggy kayak]

i know

but one drone port and i simplify the factory

just need to build SPC at one place

[wind spade]

well not really "simplify". Just move some of the buildings around

[craggy kayak]

sure ok

[wind spade]

you'll still need same amount of buildings making supercomputers (and their ingredients)

what I'm suggesting is "build only part of it for now, unless you know exactly how much you'll need later"

[craggy kayak]

ok thanks for the advice

[wind spade]

(you can ofc build it your way as well, I'm just suggesting alternative approach)

[strong spoke]

And I don't like spiders xd

[opaque oak]

Who does?

The ingame spiders.

[gloomy palm]

[stone oar]

Hello would this work ? would the last pipe get enough Oil ? i produce 300m3 and 5 refinery consume 300m3

[wind spade]

it will work, for even better stability loop the pie

with looped pipe it should work 100%

[stone oar]

like this ?

[oblique notch]

I wouldn't mix mk2 and m1 pipes. But yes.

We usually recommend the loop goes up and over and back down the main pipe, but that should help out enough to be OK- especially at only mk1 values

[stone oar]

yes i was changing them used 1 bc they were in my hotbar

i'm full mk2 i used mk1 by mistake

[oblique notch]

If you don't need mk2 for the amount your consuming (you said 300m³ consumption) I'd recommend you stick with mk1. There is a hidden value of "overpressure" that occurs when the liquid of a pipe is a percentage amount over the volume a pipe is supposed to be able to hold. This is a factor is pushing liquid "forward" - because mk1 have a smaller max value and because it's a percentage check, that's my guess as to why we don't see thr same max flow issues with mk1 pipes running as 300 m³

[stone oar]

ok so for liquid i should try to use the "smallest" pipe when possible

[oblique notch]

In general, yeah. Mk1 always seem to have less flow issues when near/at max value so at the very least if you don't need it you'll give yourself less headaches.

Of course, if you are at 300m³ your no where near max flow of a mk2 so probably a moot point lol

[vapid gorge]

you know if you hold E when you're building an item it brings up a radial wheel of similar items right?

[stone oar]

i have a second question because i have 600m3 of fuel to pump if i were to make a straight line, pump it all in and make a line of the 50 fuel generator required to use it all will the last fuel generator be get the fuel ?

[stone oar]

yes but i use all of the hotkeys bar for everything and i just happened to use on with mk1 in it 😄

[vapid gorge]

if you flood the system and loop the manifold, sure

I assume 50 generators use 600 fuel?

[stone oar]

yeh

[vapid gorge]

yeah, it's not hard to get 600 flow, you just have to have good pipe laying practice

[stone oar]

i lay the pipe many times a day i'm very experienced in it, in fact i work at a university for pipe laying

Ok great help guys thanks, i was treating junction as i was treating splitter i will not tell the monstruosities i previously build

[wet python]

Is turbo fuel worth it, IF you have sulfur nearby?

[vapid gorge]

depends what you like? I enjoy putting together TF blend recipe

[wind spade]

I mean everything is worth if it gives you what you need. I personally prefer fuel -> diluted fuel -> nuclear and not bothering with turbofuel

[wet python]

TF blend is less efficient in crude oil consumption but i guess it is way easier to make, right?

[vapid gorge]

well there's one spot that has oil and sulfur very conveniently next to each other.
But yes in general fewer types of resources in a recipe often means less logistics.

[gusty nexus]

Turbo blend is the best in terms of maximizing the sulfur iirc, which is the scarcest component of the process

[hybrid prawn]

I'm looking for a starters Iron setup. How many nodes and stuff do I neeed?

[wind spade]

well, as many as you want

[gusty nexus]

What are you looking to make, and how much

[wind spade]

there's no general amount you should build

[gusty nexus]

Start from there and work backwards

For example if you are going to be drawing 240 ore/minute, figure out how much reinforced plates or modular frames you can make from that

[hybrid prawn]

Okay thanks.

[wind spade]

that's... not backwards lol

[worn crag]

hello my fellow factory nerds i have an issue that requires assistance. just finished this 48 generator coal plant and im having an issue with water flow. ive done the math and everything should be right, plant split into 4 sections with twelve generators. 12 gens need 540 water a min i have a mk 2 pipe bringing 600water/min from 6 extractors extracting 720/min. but i cant hold steady flow to the gens.

[oblique notch]

I almost exclusively use turbo fuel, specifically the heavy tf alt. It's not as efficient but it's easy.

[wind spade]

try the classic "remove valves, buffers and excess pumps, loop the pipe and fill the system before using"

[gusty nexus]

Altitude almost always causes problems with pipes, too

But yeah step 1 is "unplug everything, plug it in"

[worn crag]

alright ill try that first thx

[worn crag]

ok so actually im just stupid, i just didnt give the pipes time to fill up they were just struggling on the initial fill, im just a tad bit impatient sometimes

[fierce cypress]

mk2 + 600 =

[wet python]

this spot?

this seems a nice ratio... but... how many generators do I need for 1200 TF/m?

[wind spade]

what's that tool you've taken the screenshot from? 🤔

[wet python]

factoriolab. there is a web version but i have it as an app

probably the same thing just wrapped by chrome.

[vapid gorge]

actually the 3 farther oil nodes on that picture. There's as sulfur node RIGHT next to them

[wet python]

oh... this one? seems a nice place to build over the water

[vapid gorge]

Yup! With that sulfur node you’ll still have extra diluted fuel to burn but it’s still good

You could bring that coal down for the base recipe and even more power but most methods of bringing it down aren’t aesthetically pleasing to me

I mean, I guess you could build a more vertical building hugging the cliff? Could look good

[wet python]

i've built this vertical generator building (20 per floor) with a 3x4 blueprint . I was doing it near the cliff in the previous location I've shown

maybe i can extend it to the new place AND connect to the factory

nah, it's kinda far

[dense cave]

man, may as well just build something to keep you going, then go for nuclear

[loud acorn]

What’s the best way to turn 390 iron ingots into 30 MFs per minute and is it even possible

[gusty nexus]

use the online calculators

[loud acorn]

They’re painful

[gusty nexus]

https://u6.satisfactorytools.com/production

[wind spade]

doing math by hand is more painful tho

[gusty nexus]

with only iron, it takes about 572 iron ore to make 30 MFs

including all possible alts it only takes 82.5 iron

[wind spade]

including just water, it's 307.821 iron ore

[loud acorn]

I have most alts

[loud acorn]

I’m already using the alt that makes 50 ingots out of raw copper and raw iron

[gusty nexus]

if you're willing to use plastic, you can combine it with steel to make 30 MFs from only 82.5 iron/coal

[loud acorn]

Plastic is definitely a no go

[wind spade]

open the linked calculator and find the good balance yourself 🙂

[loud acorn]

Okay okay fine

[gusty nexus]

also it means instead of waiting on us to use it, you can just do it yourself and there's no need to play telephone

[loud acorn]

I thought the point of this channel was for people who enjoy doing the math

[gusty nexus]

it's not necessarily for people to ask other people to do the math for them

this isn't school where you ask the nerd to do your homework for you

[loud acorn]

Yea fair enough

[wind spade]

also we're literally putting your questions into the calculator and giving you back it's results

so it could be much better without us having to be the middlemen

[loud acorn]

Okay I think I got it working

I just have to do some messing around because it wants me to make 840 screws pm

[wind spade]

that's a problem?

[vapid gorge]

I mean the more screws you make in your life the more negative points you get. You'll get sent to The Bad Place.

[loud acorn]

I am having some trouble here

I’ve selected my inputs as 390 iron ingot and 90 steel ingot (which is what I have on hand)

It’s using up all the iron but not the steel

Instead insisting I mine more raw iron to make screws

When surely I could just use the steel to make steel screws

[wind spade]

you can disable raw ore in the Items, Input tab

(and make sure you have steel screws selected in Recipes tab)

[loud acorn]

Yea i have all Alts selected

I think I’m gonna load it on my PC this phone interface is killing me

[wind spade]

it's not really optimised for phone, yeah, sorry.

[loud acorn]

I’m on PC now and I can’t find this tab

[vapid gorge]

I find it’s often easiest to turn on the alts you want and turn off the related base recipes if you’re trying for something specific

[loud acorn]

Mine looks nothing like that

[wind spade]

I assume you're using a different tool then

did you click on the link above?

[loud acorn]

oh i just went on satifacotyr calculator

ill try urs

Okay your one actually worked

But the numbers are really really interesting

[vapid gorge]

You’ll see some rounding errors but if you get like .9997 just round up

And yeah - the calc tool is a visual nightmare. I only use tools

[loud acorn]

Yea it split my 90 line into a 44.595 and a 45.405 im assuming they’re both just 45 lines

[wind spade]

no, those should be correct

[loud acorn]

Oh

What a nightmare

[wind spade]

precision up to 2-3 decimal places is almost guaranteed

well, you can just manifold it

[vapid gorge]

do you know what a manifold is?

[wind spade]

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[loud acorn]

Yes I know what a manifold is

[versed violet]

Thats a monofold

[wind spade]

(also keep in mind that tools don't show you how to do beltwork, they show you the logistic flow of materials, it's up to you how you do your beltwork, so it doesn't have to be 44.595/45.405 split, it can be two sets of machines making 44.595 and 45.405 respectively)

[vapid gorge]

that way you don't need to split it 🙂
Another method I like is to create 2 sections of machines and clock them so that each group produces a specific number that goes to a different location

[loud acorn]

i have a total of 540 steel being made, 90 is just what i have left to go towards the MFs, im sure ill work something out

the end goal here is HMFs

[vapid gorge]

a worthy goal.

[loud acorn]

6 PM

made from 900 iron ingots and 360 coal

[vapid gorge]

I'd consider making a plan that already includes the HMF as they use, often, a lot of the same parts your MF will use

[loud acorn]

ive got it all planned out on paper

[vapid gorge]

ooooh do you have the encased pipe recipe?

[loud acorn]

i could probably do it all with the calculator but this way 3/4 parts have normal numbers and only 1 is fucky

[loud acorn]

yep im using it

[vapid gorge]

it's one of my favs. A few more machines and a bit more energy for huge steel savings

[loud acorn]

yea sourcing more iron hasnt been a problem its keeping the steel budget tight that has been difficult

managed to leave 90 leftover which will now help with the MFs

[vapid gorge]

hmmm do you have Steeled Frame ?

[loud acorn]

i dont but i dont think i need it

ive got 4 more hdds yet to scan tho

[vapid gorge]

I think it's another that would increase the number of machines and a bit more power but save on resources

plus you can just make pipes instead of beams and screws

[loud acorn]

yea but it uses steel instead of iron

ohhh i ssee what ur saying

[vapid gorge]

Weelllll technically your bolted recipe uses steel as well with the beams

[loud acorn]

yea i get you

[vapid gorge]

I can't remember if its a resource saver off the top of my head though

[loud acorn]

im using steeled frame for some of them apparently

[vapid gorge]

I think it is though? Reduces the number of Reinforced Iron plates by a lot

[loud acorn]

it wants me to make some of the frames steeled and some bolted

[vapid gorge]

It'll do that when you try to maximise fully

[loud acorn]

oh well it should be fine

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah I see that now that I'm looking at the pic properly xD

HMF factories are a pretty good start for making a dedicated hub tbh. Find coal, iron and limestone somewhere and ship the results as they take a lot of resources

[loud acorn]

fun little project for today

[loud acorn]

dedicated hub?

ive had a dedicated hub since iron rods

[vapid gorge]

instead of making everything in 1 location

[loud acorn]

ohh

[vapid gorge]

Spreading out factories gives you more flex in your resource use

Just depends how you want to approach things though

[loud acorn]

i have coal iron copper and limestone all in one place

[vapid gorge]

On a cliff in northern forest ?

[loud acorn]

nah thats my main base

HMFs are being made far away somewehre

[vapid gorge]

Ah well that's a great spot for a main base

[loud acorn]

top mess is main base, these belts coming down are where the HMFs will be made

[vapid gorge]

Yup, very similar to how my last main base was

I pretty much just build up on the cliff though making it self contained

[loud acorn]

What other resources are up there?

I’m only taking the coal from it

[vapid gorge]

In the top right corner of hte pic where your main base is? It has almost everything tbh

iron, copper, coal, limestone - caterium and sulfur are close by, oil just north in the cliff.

[loud acorn]

ohh i thought you meant on the coal cliff

like bottom right of the image

the crater

[vapid gorge]

Not a bad spot for a steel mill down there yeah 🙂 But I was slowly grinding away stuff while building so the coal node on the cliff was enough steel for me 🙂

[loud acorn]

most of my stuff is on the cliff but oil processing and computers is down the bottom

[cerulean lake]

are you using pumps to power the pipes as it flows upward?

[vapid gorge]

@mint girder ok so in that lasst picc there's ingots coming from below and going left and right - what is in those directions?

[worn crag]

yes mk 2 pumps

[cerulean lake]

i probably would be able to help more if i was able to see it in game

[worn crag]

yea i figured it was probably just a setup issue so i just re did it and was extra careful with the pumps so its running a lil smoother now

[fierce ruin]

@everyone Whens update 8 coming? any news?

[snow dove]

bro…

He actually tried to ping everyone

[wind spade]

I'd very much recommend to never ping everyone in any server. Most of them have it disabled anyway and the rest will probably not be happy with you doing that.

[strange star]

I have a question in relation to splitters, what formula should i use to calculate the exponential item dropoff in a manifold with every split

Like with x items per min what will y items per min be at z splitter

[steep edge]

the formula is output at splitter x= y0e^(-0,693x) with y0 beeing your input value and x the splitter you are looking at

[strange star]

I feel like im not smart enough to understand the formula 💀

[steep edge]

maybe you want to rephrase your question 😛

[wind spade]

That depends what do you mean
After manifold stabilises, all splitters will get the amount of items they need

[strange star]

Could you write an example using the formula, where there is an input of 60 items per minute with 4 splitters

[strange star]

Was just curious ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wind spade]

For knowing the state of a manifold after X amount of time, I'm not aware of any formula, you have to use simulation

(Also you need to include stack size)

I have manifold tool on my old website which can do just that

[strange star]

What do tier 4 belts cost?

[vast jungle]

Encased Industrial Beams...

[strange star]

I wanna make a factory to make the parts b4 i unlock them as im close

[strange star]

Fml

[vast jungle]

they are the most expensive belts (MK4)

[strange star]

I mean i produce them, just slow af

[vast jungle]

MK5 is DIRT cheap and easy to produce

[strange star]

What do they cost?

[vast jungle]

1 EIB per segment?

similar to all other Belts?

[strange star]

I meant T5

[vast jungle]

the MK5 belts need Aluminium Alclad Sheets... basic Alu production stuff

and you easily gets lots of them from your first Bauxit factory

[strange star]

Ah ye i got none of that lel, i assume using bauxite nodes?

[vast jungle]

MK5 belts is Tech Level 7/8 stuff

[strange star]

Ah

[vast jungle]

MK4 belts are a pain, but necessary while you struggle with all the oil tech and power hungry new factories following it (and the need for quite a few computers)

[strange star]

YES, guess thats not just a me issue then

Had to pipe the oil through the scary forest lel

Like 2km

(The jungle type one)

[vast jungle]

build a fully automated EIB (single manufacturer) factory as soon as possible to accumulate them in a container

luckily you also get Trains in T6

and you can try to use Trucks before instead of LONG belts

[strange star]

Ye i have a single assembler making em right now, and im gonna unlock trains after i get better power infastructure

My power problems are very bad

[steep edge]

So if you want to know what your 4th Splitter outputs condition the 3 before are not running full you would do 60 x e^(-0,693*4) = 3,75.
The same as 60/2 = 30 -> 30/2 = 15 -> 15/2=7,5 -> 7,5/2 = 3,75

[strange star]

I make like 800 mw with a max draw of like 1.3gw

[wind spade]

see https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/machine-fill (click the red button, manifold tool is still usable). Fill input on the left side, see result on the right side

[steep edge]

but in a real manifold they will run full so you would get something different

[strange star]

Much less pain

[vast jungle]

try to get at least 24 or 32 coal powerplants... then pray your power hold while making your way to Oil power 😉

[strange star]

I have oil, just no way to use the fuel residue cuz no funni power gen

I forget, what is the default consumption rate of coal for a coal gen?

Gonna do some funni math in my head

[noble timber]

15

[strange star]

Oh nice i can run 18 gens off my current 240 coal supply

10 more then i have right now

[wind spade]

you can also open coal gen, put coal and water in it and see it for yourself, it will tell you 😛

[strange star]

Im not home tho ☹️

Its fine cuz wiki told me the rates and the formula

[mystic moon]

You should probably be generating more than double that amount by t5

[strange star]

Ye 💀 i just kinda forgor to do so, i have the supplies like coal and water to do so but i just kinda forgor, its too bad at this point now, so i have no choice

[mystic moon]

No choice but what?

[strange star]

To stop expanding the factory and to actually upgrade my power grid

[mystic moon]

Oh yeah

[untold scarab]

Anyone who has a way to maximize input on encased industrial beams or is it just meant to be annoying? they seem to be a pain

[mystic moon]

Maximize input?

[strange star]

Make more assemblers

And more steel, and more everything else

[mystic moon]

You build enough production to meet the demand

[strange star]

(Or enough demand to meet the production)

[untold scarab]

fair enough

[strange star]

Point is funni numbers match

[untold scarab]

wish the numbers were even on encased ones

[strange star]

You could underclock / overclock

[gray elk]

ohhhh

ok thx

[full pecan]

oh, wow that makes sense

i literally always fill everything from below and never knew that lol

i build every floor with a like "basement" where i route all the pipes and stuff, then each machine's output/input goes/comes directly into floor

[opaque oak]

Feeding from below can work, but it exposes all the other problems in the piping.

Which is why it isn't recommended.

[robust carbon]

I've found that bottomfeeding just requires a pump to stop backflow and then it's a-ok 💁‍♂️

[wind spade]

bottomfeeding isn't about backflow at all

it's about fluid fill levels

[oblique hollow]

experince on bottom feeding is very mixed

either its fixed with one pump or a pump per machine

either way, bottom feeding is a LOT slower than same level feeding or top feeding

[robust carbon]

Guess I've been lucky, third playthrough going and no incidents 😄

[frosty owl]

Or do that so you can find such issues more easily

[opaque oak]

Once you know what you are doing and are able to diagnose.

[frosty owl]

Or if one wants to start learning fast?

[opaque oak]

Playing on the Hard Mode.

[frosty owl]

As someone with an incredible smooth fluid experience ever since I started bottom-feeding, I can't agree with that

[wind spade]

but you know what you're doing 😛

[frosty owl]

I wasn't born sushi, but I think bottom-feeding helped me reach the "no more piping issues" point. Before that, my pipe systems acted more "mysteriously" to me, making issues harder to understand

[snow dove]

i do bottom feeding purely for its aesthetic benefits

[vast jungle]

I like to keep my belts and pipes visible in the factory floor

[snow dove]

i have two vastly different approaches to logistics:

1. where i hide everything away cause i’m trying to make it look nice
2. where all senses of appearance and order go out the window to make it work

both include lots of clipping, the former is hidden tho

[opaque oak]

I hide everything, but still try to make the hidden things somewhat nice and always non-clipping.

[snow dove]

but but but, clipped manifolds!

[ionic gust]

For me I have just started rebuilding all my modules to make it work without hiding it

[snow dove]

if you hide the chaos, is the chaos really there

[ionic gust]

I mean, true

[opaque oak]

What chaos?

[ionic gust]

damn

[snow dove]

AH! TOO MUCH ORDER

[ionic gust]

oh wow

[snow dove]

AH!

[ionic gust]

colour coded and everything

I have two sides to my factory

ORDAA

[snow dove]

hidden chaos>>>

[ionic gust]

And...

[opaque oak]

#screenshots message

[snow dove]

orange fanta vibes

[ionic gust]

Haha I was trying to go for COPPAAAA

[opaque oak]

Upside and downside. The feeding belts were sushified later.
The per row belts were kept separate.

[ionic gust]

Think its enough?

[oblique hollow]

likely

[marsh radish]

17*6=~10k power?

[wind spade]

enough for what?

[oblique hollow]

72 Power storages, thats 7200 MWh

[ionic gust]

102 actually, just didnt get all of them

[oblique hollow]

ah yea woops

then its 10200 MWh

how much power do you make

[lusty steeple]

How do I keep a constant flow of 600m3 water across long level pipes? Flow rate is uneven even though almost all pipes are full?

for example behind a pump its full of water but pump still spikes

turned off all my water excavators and only have a 180m3/m line feeding it now and yet the pipes are not drying up

just dont understand where the pumps need to be

[oblique hollow]

you dont use them at 600

build 2 mk 2 pipes instead

[lusty steeple]

I got this factory

I run 3 refineries with one mk2 pipe of water then 2 from another mk2

the 300 water that comes back from the scrap refineryI feed into the first mk2 pipe with a mk1 one

[oblique hollow]

as for checking whats wrong with pipes:

[oblique hollow]

the recycling is ALWAYS dangerous if you mix water

do this instead

[lusty steeple]

okay so top pipe goes to 3 refineries and bottom to 2

[oblique hollow]

yeah no this is too unsafe

seperate the water feed of fresh and recycled

[lusty steeple]

😭

[oblique hollow]

sry, some things are just not doable in a safe way

seperation is the only safe way

mixing is asking for trouble

because if the scrap refineries stop for some reason, your entire system gets clogged with water

because the water extractors flood everything

[lusty steeple]

makes sense

[oblique hollow]

only way to stop that is to not allow fresh water to mix with recycled water

[lusty steeple]

and my refineries are all clogged rn :d

[oblique hollow]

yeah there you have it. its a classic issue

[lusty steeple]

so what I need is to use the ratio 2 to 3 in the example?

[oblique hollow]

what recipes? normal scrap and solution?

[lusty steeple]

I believe so

alu solution + coal

-> alu scrap

[oblique hollow]

then yea, its 3 solution refineries and 1.5 scrap refineries

if you need more scrap, scale it all up

[lusty steeple]

I got 5 solution refineries and 2.5 scrap refineries

[oblique hollow]

2.5 / 1.5 is 1.6666666

soooo 3x 1.6666 solution refineries

works out

[lusty steeple]

where you got 1.5 from?

[oblique hollow]

1.5 scrap refineries, as per the image

3 to 2 is the same as 1.5 to 1

[marsh radish]

1.5 meaning 1 at 100%, 1 at 50%?

[oblique hollow]

yes or one at 150%

but the image shows how to seperate it all

2.5 scrap refineries need 1.66666 refineries for recycled water

that can be 1 at 100% and one at 66.666% or just one at 166.66666%

all that matters is that you have enough refineries to consume all the byproduct water

either that or you burn some water in a coal generator

15 coal to eliminate 45 water is a neat price

and you get 75 MW from that too

[lusty steeple]

bad for the climate tho

[oblique hollow]

good for you tho

[lusty steeple]

okay I can run 1.66 refineries from waste water

[oblique hollow]

yep

[lusty steeple]

not sure what to do tbh

[oblique hollow]

your choice

burn the water in coal generators or recycle it

[lusty steeple]

because I need 5 refineries running at 100% to use up the bauxite

[oblique hollow]

subtract 1.666 from 5

thats how many fresh water refineries you need

they all process bauxite

the only difference is their water source

[lusty steeple]

subtract 1.666 from 5 what variable is 5?

[oblique hollow]

your 5 solution refineries

[lusty steeple]

whats a fresh water refinery? lol

[oblique hollow]

a solution refinery fed by fresh water

water from water extractors

[lusty steeple]

i see

[oblique hollow]

its a simple balancing game.
you need 5 refineries to feed 2.5 scrap refineries

2.5 scrap refineries feed 1.666 solution refineries

[lusty steeple]

simple idk

[oblique hollow]

if you do it often enough it becomes simple

its all routine or practice

[lusty steeple]

but I need 4.4444 coal plants to process the waste water if I run 1 refinery on waste water

if math checks out

since it takes 45m3/min

or I could just overclock to get the perfect value

[oblique hollow]

1 refinery uses 180 water

[lusty steeple]

guess that's what ill do, run 1 pipe to 1 refinery then 1 pipe to coal power

[oblique hollow]

you could use 1.5 refineries

that leaves one coal generator at 75%

and 3.5 refineries fed by fresh water

[lusty steeple]

I only have 2.5 scrap refineries

[oblique hollow]

which make 300 water

[lusty steeple]

so I have 300m3

[oblique hollow]

one solution refinery uses 180 water

1.5 refineries use 270

leaves 30 water

[lusty steeple]

oh I see

[oblique hollow]

30 is enough for a generator running at 75%

[lusty steeple]

wait, that means i have one running at 50% for solutions

I need them at 100% for bauxite

[oblique hollow]

you need a total of 5 refineries of production power

2 x 50% also makes 100%

1.5 refineries and 3.5 refineries also makes 5 refineries

[lusty steeple]

problem is I built my factory yesterday

I have no room to add 1 more refinery

[oblique hollow]

you just need to do some clocking

with power shards

[cedar mica]

I find it simpler to setup Wet Concrete, as the water burn, since it can be sunk if need be.

[lusty steeple]

ah yeah, keep forgetting about that part

[lusty steeple]

that's assuming I have that recipe

[oblique hollow]

in this case adjusting pipes, clocking refineries and adding a generator is simpler

no external limestone needed

[cedar mica]

Another reason I like Wet Concrete, just about all build site has a Limestone node nearby.

[oblique hollow]

unless its bauxite in the red forest

[cedar mica]

True, but you are in that case shipping in Water and Quartz, meaning you most likely go past a Limestone node to grab.

[oblique hollow]

yeah but if you dont wanna add to much stuff, this is easier

coal is already there, and the refineries are built

just change the pipes and add a generator

problem solved

[cedar mica]

Maybe solutions work, just need to make sure it runs.

[oblique hollow]

yeah i tested these recycling builds before

they are stable and safe if the numbers are right

[lusty steeple]

if I could fit a coal power plant in here that'd be great

[cedar mica]

Just dont loop the Waste Water, back into it self. That usually dont work well.

[oblique hollow]

yeah no worries

i told em to seperate it

so its 2 seperate water cycles

[lusty steeple]

its like it was meant to be, just gotta route the coal

air quality inside the factory is gonna suck tho..

[oblique hollow]

just add a ceiling exhaust xd

[thorn trellis]

crazy to see all this stuff that happens in the future of the game

[lusty steeple]

oh nvm

[oblique hollow]

well, there we go

blessed be the tall smokestack of the coal generator

#math-and-meta message
@fierce ruin start reading here

[lusty steeple]

how come you cant overclock it to use 300m3 water btw?

166.6666666%

[oblique hollow]

you could

i said that too

[lusty steeple]

.. oh

[oblique hollow]

#math-and-meta message

[lusty steeple]

would've probably done that but this works

you were spitting so many numbers, had no clue of what they related to at the time 😅

but now ive learned about how to deal with waste water for the future

[oblique hollow]

if you use different recipes for aluminum in the future, the image i sent covers them too

[lusty steeple]

yeah I noticed 👌

[oblique hollow]

just different ratio of scrap to solution refineries

theres a nother recipe for scrap that uses the blender

but that has a very neat ratio of 1 to 1

and uses sulfuric acid

so that has a perfectly closed water recycling loop

[lusty steeple]

👀 I'm creating my sulfuric acid right next to this factory

[oblique hollow]

the recipe is called "instant Scrap"

[lusty steeple]

hah nice

might convert to it in the future

[oblique hollow]

it turns bauxite straight into scrap

no solution needed

[lusty steeple]

sounds amazing

[wise sky]

why arent these 2 getting coal?

nvm solved it

[oblique hollow]

what was the issue?

[regal marsh]

they likely split the coal too much or smth

lots of stuff could've prevented it from getting coal i suppose, (wiring, splitting, connections, etc)

[lime frigate]

Or put a lower mk conveyor down

Seen that alot

[regal marsh]

it'd still be getting coal though, right? i thought lower tier conveyors still got from higher tiers just didn't take as much due to speed

[oblique hollow]

yea but not if the belt is somewhere where it throttles the input

if you need 120/min and you put a mk 1 belt after the 3rd splitter, thats a problem

[regal marsh]

well yeah, it'll destroy the speed of everything afterwards, but they said the generators weren't getting any coal at all, assuming they would accidently place a mk 1 belt, they would only watch for a minute or so and it'd be obvious that coal was getting into them, just not fast enough. aswell as how they point out only those two and it appears the coal line ends after the two with more getting coal just fine.

[bronze silo]

is this the best place for coal?

[vapid gorge]

I mean there’s coal there? What do you want to do with it?

[bronze silo]

a mixture of power and mk3 logistics

so far I have taken 3 lines of pure and 1 normal

and 1 normal from another area where I started the coal gens

[vapid gorge]

I mean there's coal and water there so looks pretty good right?

[bronze silo]

yes, I was just curious how it compared to other parts of the map

I started out in Northern Forest

[oblique notch]

There is coal all over the place. There really isn't a "best" place for single resources, but rather some places that are about equidistant from a selection of resources that you need for a given production chain

[vapid gorge]

For power all you need is the coal and water 🙂 distance isn't a huge deal as you jsut have to lay some quick cable

[bronze silo]

lots of POWAH!

[oblique notch]

It really doesn't matter where or what nodes you build on. Just go find another if you need more

[bronze silo]

nice word, lol

is it real or did you make it up? haha

I mean, it makes sense

[oblique notch]

Which word? Equidistant? Yes that's English

[bronze silo]

yep

my chosen eara is super laggy

area

[vapid gorge]

area? that sounds like a computer issue

[bronze silo]

I hope not, lol

though if it is, I do plan to buy an AMD 6950xt soon 🙂

[mystic moon]

This game is usually cpu bound

[bronze silo]

cpu is around 20%

though my gpu is 99, lol

[mystic moon]

Ah I see

[bronze silo]

5700xt isn't really meant for ultrawide displays, lol

[versed violet]

it handles up to qhd fine, but not really enough power for 4k.

[bronze silo]

I think mine is 1440p

[versed violet]

That will still make it have ~20% more pixels than qhd

[bronze silo]

yep

100 hertz too

[fierce cypress]

this should work as a 60/min limiter right?

[worn crag]

yea it should

[fierce cypress]

now i just need to work out HMFs

13/min into station, currently 100% going to storage + overflow sink, i need 6/min going to a different factory

i could overflow all to factory but that would take a while to backup

im not sure how else to do it though

what happens with trains and backed up items?

[frosty owl]

I suggest having the MK1 segment not be directly connected to the splitter for best results.
Eg: splitter, MK5 segment, MK1 segment, back to MK5

Reason: unless it's a smart splitter, there's a chance the MK1 belt may not fill up completely (just ~59.999...)

[frosty owl]

Trains (and long-range transport I'm general) can make the creation of overflow systems quite easy: if "transport" can't unload, what it's carrying is overflow and can be unloaded elsewhere safely