math-and-meta

[noble current]

now I am thinking if I also shouldn't just flush everything and keep just like a bit for rebuilding

just to not get distracted by other stuff

[cinder silo]

Depends on the material, it's why I tried to build auto-storage early on, but my prototype was janky AF

[noble current]

basically just keeping essential things like industrial beams, steel pipes, steel beams and frames/rotors

got like 3 big container of each

[cinder silo]

Without knowing your requirements and layout it's hard to advise other than showcase what I have and hope ideas presented are useful.

[noble current]

well, I can get rid of basic stuff like screws and plates, because I got 3 pure and 6 impure nodes around, which themselve's are enough to give me spare materials to start from scratch - keeping steel related items and rotors and frame still would allow me to jumpstart the quality of the factory

[cinder silo]

Screws, yeah binnable, keep plates nearby because you can use a surprising amount of them.

[noble current]

screws/rods would be the first thing I'd relocate to the impure nodes

[cinder silo]

Rods get used in such stupid amounts, I'm forever not grabbing enough in spite of having railings and power points everywhere.

[noble current]

basically 2 nodes for each product

well, it's just for rebuilding, not for the entirety

I soon get myself an actual factory of it, just for the time being

[snow dove]

i need concrete to stack to 1000

[frosty owl]

I can hear Amelek screaming

[cinder silo]

Just build a small construction yard nearby, there is always limestone.

[noble current]

just add another "0" to it

5000 stack seems fine

[snow dove]

yeah i do that, but still annoying

[snow dove]

i was thinking you meant 10000

[cinder silo]

You've seen how I build, imagine the concrete use 😛

[noble current]

won't hurt either

[snow dove]

ahem

[cinder silo]

I'll raise you 😛 , go go concrete by the megaton.

[snow dove]

that’s a lot of concrete

[noble current]

stuff already getting cleaned up

[snow dove]

but it’s for a larger area

[cinder silo]

Yeah, took me a while 😄

[snow dove]

looks like mine is more concrete dense

[cinder silo]

Keep my tunnels in mind too, they're all concrete and innervate the map.

[snow dove]

oh yeah

[cinder silo]

I dread to imagine just how much concrete I've actually used.

[noble current]

6188 coupons/min for tearing down basic stuff of the concrete sky

just jumped to 8804

[cinder silo]

How do you get that many coupons per minute? did you trash dozens of cans filled with thermal rockets?

[noble current]

no, got like 5 big storages of each base product (screws, plates, rods, concrete) backed up and ontop many ore and ingots being backed up as well

got like 5 or so sinks running at the same time

[cinder silo]

I have multiple sinks but c'mon look how many points per coupon and I only have 2814 stored, no way I could get 6k coupons a minute.

[cinder silo]

Oh points per minute, not coupons 😛

[noble current]

OH

sorry my bad, I thought per minute part quiet sorry

[cinder silo]

Confused me there, it's all good.

[buoyant jungle]

Ya, buddy put coupons and I was confused too.

[formal sundial]

does anybody know of a calculator to determine how many items of materials needed to produce a number of another item?

ie, how many screws and iron rods do i need to make a specific number of rotors?

[maiden steeple]

https://u6.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=shiqs7f5ZkP9Fk2d2VuZ

just look at the arrows

that will tell you the number per rotor

[formal sundial]

thanks!

[noble current]

coke being produced 120/min, do I see it correct?

The mk 3 conveys 270/min, correct?

so there shouldn't be a problem with 2 coke belts merging on a mk 3 belt, right?

so why does it clog up?

[maiden steeple]

wheres the coke going?

is that backed up?

[noble current]

sink

on a mk 3 belt

[oblique notch]

double check all your belts and lifts are the right mk

probably got one that is a mk1 in there or something

and double check the sink is powered 😛 i have done that too many times to count

[noble current]

yes they are all mk 3 and sink is powered

[oblique notch]

hard to tell then without seeing the rest of the system. Gotta be somewhere in there that is not correct or mis-aligned. make 3 belts are more than capable of 240

[sharp lion]

let it run, might be that there was coke still in the machines or smth, maybe the merger isnt actually connected or smth?

[noble current]

idk if it does clog a little when it tries to merge at the same time

because they're running in sync

[oblique hollow]

a little bit of clog doesnt matter

just takes some time to get sorted out

remember: the machines output at belt speed

[prime orchid]

hi

what's up

[oblique hollow]

so for a short while, the merger gets flooded with 2x 270/min down to a single mk 3

it just needs a moment

this is also why pipe flow rate goes up and down so much: the same happens in pipes

[rotund blade]

for over 600/min do i just add a second pipeline with junctions connecting them or is it more complex than that?

[snow dove]

i would just use two 300/min lines because 600/min can be tricky to get working properly

[rotund blade]

yea but i need 800/min

actually most of it'll be feeding directly into another refinery so it should be fine

[forest blade]

you can split into 2x400 if you insist on mk2

[tawdry sail]

U need mk2 to 400/min

[forest blade]

that is correct. the alternative would be 3 mk 1 lines for 800

[tawdry sail]

I had some issues with mk2 pipes. Specially when you put a pump in it or you connect them with a pipe floor connector.
But nothing too big, you dismantle and build it again and it work.
There is another bug with mk2 pipes??

[golden thunder]

i'm doing a nuclear power plant and im trying to split the uranium fuel rods that each power plant gets an equal amount rods but no matter what i do there will be a power plant with 4/5 rods in it

[oblique hollow]

get another power plant and split those 4 rods up again

[golden thunder]

But I'm also not sure with my split is equal

[oblique hollow]

you got any numbers and pictures?

[golden thunder]

3 manufacturer making 0.4 fuel rod to 6 power plants

[oblique hollow]

well this is an equal split so i see no issues here

must be your imagination

[noble current]

does it make resource-wise sense to use the purification recipe (water + resource) on normal nodes, or just on pure nodes - in the case of iron?

[fierce cypress]

It makes sense to use it on ore, as I said yesterday, don’t think about it in terms of nodes

[noble current]

mhm...I just keep thinking about "what's the most I could get from these nodes" and I just can't stop that thought of limiting myself to these nodes..

it's like "oh hey, there are 6 normal nodes, what's the best I could do with them the most efficient way"..you know? /:

[fierce cypress]

I plan a factory bases of the outputs with doable inputs, then find a spot that works with the right amounts of everything, then I mess around with stuff to minmax other nodes if I want to, it’s up to you how you build

[versed violet]

in case of iron? Use smelters and just tap more nodes. iron is everywhere. On the hill. In the forest. On your desk. In your blood.

[noble current]

alright, just wondered because I still don't have a productive infrastructure e.g. trains so long distance collection still falls out of the window - and since those are 6 normal nodes I was kinda wondering

[versed violet]

pure nodes allow to save energy. there is couple near waterfall in the grasslands. Or you can scout map with scim if wanted.

[noble current]

rocky desert/crater lakes is where I am at, fruitful region

[oblique notch]

It doesn't matter. You get the same amount un relative based on the recipe. If you had 120 ore you get x from one and y from another. If you have 240 ore you'd get 2x and 2y... so if x>y then x is still better

[mortal egret]

Today, I'll finish the systems for Plutonium fuel rods, then tomorrow, I'll set up the power plants

[tawdry sail]

Personally, I use purification recipe only on caterium and sometimes on copper.

[versed violet]

copper is better mixed with iron imo. Maybe use steam for the sheets.

[oblique notch]

I rarely use copper alloy. Because I always feel like I need more iron and not more copper. But In that vein I do use iron alloy all the time

[versed violet]

Want to build a parabolic antenna/arecibo radar using the radar tower. Which curvature from the pic looks better, 3 slopes/segment on left or 2 slopes/segment on right?

[oblique notch]

I think yhe right side would end up looking too small for the radio tower

[versed violet]

I kind of agree, but wondering where to fit that monstrosity in here. I need 20x20 blueprinter

[maiden steeple]

Why do you hold hover pack controls in both hands, when you can operate it fine with one hand?

[versed violet]

No, you can't?
left thumbstick controls movement (left, right front back)
The right thumbstick controls direction (looking up/down/left/right.
the triggers control lift - press to descend, push to ascend.
You can easily see this ingame

[maiden steeple]

But it works if you have something in your main hand, right?

[cinder silo]

Like the employee of the planet mug.

[versed violet]

you shouldn't be able to drive hoverpak and hold a rifle, but its handwaved I guess

[cinder silo]

Yeah, still amusing playing the jump trooper.

[versed violet]

Imagine outrage of the players if css said this is solely a movement device and not a combat platform

[oblique notch]

Because recruiting the player in that way would Not Be Fun

[noble current]

what are some rates at the end of Phase2 at which it's recommended to produce resources at? are there any guidelines for orientation or such?

[wind spade]

rate is mostly "how much you're gonna use for building"

and depends on how fast you build and what

[noble current]

so not really a rule-of-thumb?

[wind spade]

nah, more like "build some small amount and if you find yourself running out of that resource, add more"

[vapid gorge]

I like dedicating about 1 pure node (or 2 normal nodes) to each basic part and then smashing them together as needed? I've found it's a convenient amount of resources to move up the tiers. Just leave yourself room to expand as you get better belts and miners.

But that's a 'me' thing.

But yeah very much just a how you want to do things things. But that might give you a very vague number to aim for?

[noble current]

not really, since idk how much stuff is further needed - neither for trains/tracks nor for other stuff.

All I do know for sure is that concrete factories are never enough and can be built plenty to support my factory building process

[vapid gorge]

sorry was that to me?

[maiden steeple]

This is what I’m doing. #math-and-meta message (ass quickwire and ai limiters, i forgot those)

*add

It’s just enough to stockpile

[noble current]

oh, QW/Limiters are actually the only "finished" one with 600QW and 15 Limiters/min - plenty of that for now

[maiden steeple]

Only simple parts, no motors or hmfs

I have a friend who asks all the time so I’m not going for any specific item/min count

*afk

Autocorrect

[vapid gorge]

Well it depends what you're going for. Are you trying to just unlock all the tiers? Or just want to finish phase 4 and you're done?

[noble current]

all tiers with the focus on building efficient but also good-looking/clean

[vapid gorge]

oof. First play through?

[noble current]

kinda my first real playthrough, yea

at least rn I am at the furthest I got so far

[vapid gorge]

I feel that goal is pretty rough personally?
Partially because 'efficient' is going to be what you value as efficient, AND it'll change as you get new tech and recipes

Like, do you want to build factories with mk1 miners, but build enough machines to handle mk3 miners?

[noble current]

I already got mk2 miners and mk4 belts

[vapid gorge]

ok will you upgrade those facotories to handle bigger loads or go build more hubs elsewhere?

if you want constantly clean/neat/efficient factories it requires a lot of rebuilding of things or design so you can easily expand.
Fairly time consuming but it's something you can do

I, personally, don't tend to really handcraft factories to be neat and clean until I've unlocked everything

[noble current]

I see, so rather just focusing on just producing stuff until I have everything and then start cleaning things up/caring about efficiency?

did I understood correctly?

[vapid gorge]

Up to you.
Jsut depends what's important to you.

but that's my approach.

For me wanting constantly neat and super tidy stuff when it's going to have to change feels frustrating.

On the other hand - if you keep rebuilding factories you'll really learn design and building skills

[noble current]

well I am willing to spend time in this game

it's just the level of, how I feel, complexity that hits me with a bit of a roadblock when it comes to automation

[vapid gorge]

and that's going to help a lot if you want to try to do big/cool/weird/complicated things

[vapid gorge]

do you use satisfactory tools?

[noble current]

ye

also satisfactory-calc

[vapid gorge]

for the planning I'd stick to Tools. Calc tries to break down paths and I've never seen it be shown in a useful way

And to further break down your planning I recommend spread sheets

Not even for math just for records and planning

[noble current]

well, it kinda helped me to get the "smallest design possible" - at least for the basic products

in terms of space

kinda also helped me to break production down into separate levels

[vapid gorge]

I'm curious to see it? but it's logistics choices I find very weird and not conducive to neatness or good design.

This is part of a spread sheet that I use for layout for example

This is in my own short hand so might be a mess to you, I effectively just wrote down notes of how much each resources pm, going into refineries at X clock rate, producing solution, ect ect.

It's a way for me to break down what I plan in Tools, keep records of the number of belts and pipes to slim down design and have an idea of layout.
So in that example where it says B375 at the top, that's making 450 solution that's getting directly fed into 1 refinery in front of it

[noble current]

sure - this is for example my 600/min quickwire factory, each "step" basically got given it's own floor

[vapid gorge]

And personally I find having a very solid grasp of how many belts/pipes are going where to be pretty important to neat layouts and good looking work

[noble current]

bottom floor being the refining to get more ingots - 2nd floor being the conversion of ingots into actual qw - 3rd floor being the storage

[vapid gorge]

Looks straight forward and efficient 🙂

going to use them on location?

[noble current]

so far it's an open "finished" project - planning to have 2 outputs on this storage floor - 1 once I got a train system running - the other for Limiter production

and thanks to smart splitters, I also don't really have to worry about running out of qw when I need it for mk 2 poles for example

[vapid gorge]

moving wire and screws to another hub always feels weird to me. Because of the stack size each platform will be moving only a handful of wire stacks.

[noble current]

well - it'll be transfered only 300/min anyway, the other 300 already are preserved for the 15/min Limiters

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah, nothing 'wrong' with it, just always something that poked my brain xD

[noble current]

tho idk how much a train can carry, never got so far and just unlocked them - tho the issue being all the combination of resources for example HMF require

[vapid gorge]

OH- another advantage to waiting for good lookign structures later - the hover pack makes architecture and design amazing.

[vapid gorge]

oooh have you made a plan for the HMF yet? I know a lot of people look at them and feel they are imposing

[noble current]

not really an idea yet, since I also just teared down my spaghetti basic iron/steel factory

[vapid gorge]

This is a variation of the path I use. I simplified the process a bit with the recipes https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=L6m3uu2y1g1KXHsm23uc

I like using the alt recipes with steel pipes in them. Just feels like a simpler set up with fewer part types? It's not as resource efficient as other recipes but I don't mind that as much since iron is everywhere

[oblique notch]

i do this in game with signs

[noble current]

I assume, this recipe doesn't have any byproducts ending unused? like, it's producing exactly the resources needed for only 10 HMF/min?

[vapid gorge]

I sometimes use a combination? The sheet just helps with a good overview of a whole system in one shot

[vapid gorge]

yup. tools is usually good that way. Sometimes you get byproduct for things like oil products and theres no way around it

[oblique notch]

agreed

[noble current]

like, that's for example idk - if it's occuping the nodes completely, it already makes for me planning easier to say "ok - this 2 pure iron and pure coal nodes for this endproduct, these for something different" etc - if I know how to categorize things easier, it kinda would help me out way easier, y'know?

[oblique notch]

red is always input/consumption for me, green is output/production:

thhe green isnt finished cause the belts arent hooked up yet, but it will eventually say how much is on that line at that moment

[vapid gorge]

so like you want to plan for the amount resources you have and then max it out?

[oblique notch]

this is what I do. Im bulding a copper parts factory producing wire, cable, and sheets. Not using a ton of alternates, and just using two normal coal nodes. at 250% oc. This is what i eventually reached with Tools

nice round numbers for output (belts) and while the #s are a little wonky (37.2 sucks) ill just overclock here adn there to make it worthwhile. Like I built 9 refineries in my first building, so ill do that 4 more times and just oc one of the last ones in the chain to 220%

(or spread it out among that last building to save a little power, 13ish % per

[noble current]

kinda~ish

like, let's say 10 HMF is supposedly a decent amount of production and an endproduct, it already helps me knowing how to plan the steps before ahead. but if there's something that requires HMF to the same or bigger amount than those 10, it already bothers me how to prepare for it to meet further conditions

sorry english isn't my main language and me finding the right words might be a bit difficult >.<

[vapid gorge]

Oh well 2 things with the link I shared to you

1. You can change the desired output at top to whatever number you need and it'll tell you want resources you need

[oblique notch]

you can't fall into this trap. Thats a big trap, because you will never feel like you have enough. I used to be that way.

Instead now I just pick a product and build x amount. If i find I need more later, I build a new factory to produce more, or tear down the old one and upgrade it with a better alternate.

Trying to anticipate your needs is not a winning strategy here, because you just dont know until you've built Aluminium production 10 or 15 times.

[vapid gorge]

2. you can set in 'items input' the amount of resources from the nodes you have manually, then set the production to 'max' Examples

[oblique notch]

or Nuclear 10 or 15

[vapid gorge]

after I chagned the resources I set it to max and it tells me what I can do with it 🙂 https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=BxCWnGs0jHCrKMVSlPnB

[frosty owl]

That's the difference between making a HMF factory for you (just for storage) or for future factory use: future factory use needs knowledge you don't have. Try sticking to making those just for your own use (for now), choose any amount that works our nicely for you (just one manufacturer, or using up X Frames/min...)

[vapid gorge]

But yeah like Lynk says thinking that way can trap you since, until you make a final world plan with end numbers you need you'll need to keep changing what you make right?

[vapid gorge]

Or just make like... 100pm! That'll probably do you for most large ish set ups xD (if that sounds fun for you)

[wind spade]

I could just set up a bot that writes "don't make your factories depend on each other" every 4 hours and it'll most likely answer a question someone just asked lol

[vapid gorge]

Not many people need more than 100 HMF pm

tbh though - if you're feeling overwhelmed? I'd probably suggest the way I approach it. Make a bunch of stuff that works, unlock the tiers, then figure out what you need to do 🙂

I've changed my approach to what I want completely at least twice now.
Whole Megafactories made obsolete

[noble current]

another thing that kinda bothers me is how the nodes are spread out - surely, at the rocky desert/crater lakes where I started, the resources are kinda in a good distance to each other, making interconnecting them for stuff like motors bit easier, but well, it's obviously not the entirety of the world

[wind spade]

yeah, separated factories ftw

[noble current]

and planning around THAT when looking for new nodes also gives me bit of trouble

[wind spade]

they can be near nodes they need

[vapid gorge]

Well 2 things about that

they made the map so you'd have to use logistics to move things around

Also, I hate the rocky desert. It blows

All the good resource spots of the rocky desert are on the border of other biomes

[noble current]

it's like "ok, now I'm close to 6 iron nodes, how do I get coal from 3km away"? kinda stuff

[vapid gorge]

trains trucks and long belts 😄

[frosty owl]

You damn geographist.... no, wait

[noble current]

ye, trucks suck on the hilly terrain - long belts kinda tiring having this long flat concrete floor that supports the belts - and just unlocked trains so...yea, also trying to add the stations after a factory is done - to better plan where the storage will be and how the storage would be connected to the train network

[vapid gorge]

ok I'm trying really hard to not be bias to my methods here BUT

If you don't like having to transport tons of stuff I feel that leans into unlocking a lot of late tier stuff and recipes.
It makes it easier to have hubs that produce things in one spot w/o having to to move tons of stuff huge distances away

[oblique notch]

These things you worry about - they are totally acceptable to think about as potential problems to overcome. And thats the important part right? Is that you find overcoming problems fun. Everything in this game is a problem to solve - I dont have enough of this so I need this. How Do i get that from there over here. How do i get this over there. How do I power it all. ect ect.

Which is why I think programmers / devs like factory games so much. it scratches the itch that got a lot of us into programming in the first place - How do I use this toolset to solve this problem?

Break it up. Solve one at a time and dont worry about the rest. Tomorrow, when youve solved one problem, you can tackle the next.

[vapid gorge]

What Lynk said.

And after you've worked up the tiers and if you decide you still hate moving things you can bug me about my plans to make a factory set up that builds literally every item in the game w/o having to drag things more than 600m away

[noble current]

I don't generally hate moving things - as I said I am really founded of the trains, it's just the conditions I think I would use them to their best potential aren't met for me yet

[vapid gorge]

Fair. I think you'll have to just play around with them until you figure out how you want to use them 🙂

[frosty owl]

Imagine hopping onto a gaming server to get lectured about the game by a teacher

[vapid gorge]

Get out you! Scram! 😛

[frosty owl]

The beauty of games

[noble current]

I guess I ignore automating things like motors for now that interjects different resources/production trees and just handcraft them while focusing on stuff like base recipes of HMF's for example... 🤔

like, interjecting resource recipes just confuse me too much at this stage where I am at still, I feel like..

and due to the confusing I seem to try to get ahead of myself, wanting "too much at the same time", which in return might be the roadblock after all...

[vapid gorge]

that happens a lot, it's a thing 🙂

Something I've found that helps me is to keep a container at the end of production lines and fill it up with parts. That way when I get new parts I can just belt the containers to machiens and make them

[noble current]

or belt them into freight trains, start a complete new factory and kinda add those products with the train

yea

[vapid gorge]

yeah see how you feel about that 🙂 if it works it works, if you don't feel it's right? You get to try something new. I built this nonsense then realised it didn't work for me. There goes 100+hrs xD

[oblique notch]

you should could force yourself not to manual craft more than the first machine that uses the part

if you stop manual crafting, youll build smaller builds cause you dont have a choice. Then you start to expand them later once youve built a nice little stock pile

[noble current]

I..don't really understand?

I mean, if I manually craft motors for now, I don't have to worry like 3 steps ahead about how I connect my steel factory with the copper factory and the iron factory, in order to get all the motor parts, I simply need to get to all factories, manually collect set amount I need when I need and handcraft them, no?

[vapid gorge]

I think they're just saying it's a good idea to get some automation of a part early, even if it's only 2pm going on in the background. You'd be surprised how much they'll pile up while you go off and build things

[noble current]

ok now I'm kinda confused, because someone told me earlier, not to use end products of one factory as a resource for another factory - which is why I said what I said

[oblique notch]

So, you need 2x rips to make a Constructor right? In most of my games I manually* crafted 12 RIPs for my first 2 constructors and 1 assembler. Everything else came out of those machines

[noble current]

that's what I am referring to

[oblique notch]

yeah thats a design choice

greeny is very adamant about it, because he likes to avoid transporting between areas.

I build smaller factories that produce a couple of levels of parts. Sometimes multiple times. Then i cart those parts to other factories

[vapid gorge]

Although I'm a little confused because there's very few spots where you can go from raw resource to phase 4 space parts w/o SOME transport.

Like I'm building raw to super computers somewhere (the plan) but I'll have to drone those s comps somewhere

[oblique notch]

So i have a set of buildings that produce Wire, Cable, Copper Sheets. They produce a lot. When Im done, ill train those resources to the next factory that is going to use them to produce something else.

[wind spade]

no, I don't want factories to depend on each other

[oblique notch]

If i need more Copper sheets? I will either expand the original or create a new small factory somewhere else

[vapid gorge]

ooh clarification chance

So ... if I had a hub that needed 20 hmf pm to keep going and those were getting droned in from a hub just making those HMF would that factory 'depend' on the other?

[wind spade]

yeah

[oblique notch]

which i find silly. The core gameplay loop of a factory game is to create a factory that lets you produce parts ... to create a bigger factory... that you then use to produce parts... to create a bigger (and more advanced) factory. That... ect ect

[wind spade]

unless the sole purpose of the HMF factory is to just make the 20 HMF

[vapid gorge]

ok how would you get around this dependency w/o a mega factory that just brings in raw resrouces from all over? I can't bend my brain around

[vapid gorge]

Ah... hmm

[oblique notch]

so if it produces 20hmf, and you have one factory that needs 10 and another that needs 5, are you okay using that?

[wind spade]

point being - you can rebuild a factory for a single item without harming any other item's production

[vapid gorge]

Ok I think the way you are presenting it to people with that one statement can be confusing.

[oblique notch]

AH

black box encapsulation

[wind spade]

indeed

[oblique notch]

its not that factories dont depend on each other. Its that they have set amounts they produce, and no matter what you do inside it, it has to continue to produce that amount

[noble current]

I...still don't get it... but maybe I'm too inexperienced for understanding it..

[wind spade]

example from a setup that is not in the style I suggest:
You have a factory making 20 HMF, which imports stuff from a centralised MF factory.

If you want to change the MF factory to use different recipe, you harm your HMF production.
If you want to increase HMF production, you also need to upgrade your MF centralised factory.

[noble current]

I am not an engineer or a programmer irl - I just play this game because I just like it. no big brain capacities here /:

[oblique notch]

Basically its liek this Ana:

Factory 1            |            |  factory 2
 producing 10 hmf    | -> 10mf    |   producing x something that needs hmf

what greeny does is make sure that no matter how factory 1 is constructed or what recipes it uses, it will always output 10hmf/min. That way he can change it around. Rebuild it. Use a different recipe, but it will always be producing (or have one belt outputting at, even if it grows beyond) 10 hmf/min so that factory 2 does not have to every change

[wind spade]

I've shown an image that clarifies what I mean:

[oblique notch]

nah, thats a bad example

because if Iron Plates api is '10 to storage, 20 for others' then its OK - as long as that is always maintained

[wind spade]

arrows are [any sort of transport], texts are [any number of machines making the item]

[wind spade]

but in my case they are physically separated still

because then you can easily rebuild just RIP factory

without hurting iron plate production

[noble current]

so it basically is 1 node for each product/factory?

[oblique notch]

Ana - Think of it as each step has a contract with the next step.

You have a factory that produces 100 Iron Ingots/min. It has a contract with another factory that it will always provide that 100 ingots/min. That other factory can be anywhere on the map. And since the two factories have a contract, they must always use it

[wind spade]

(also, separation does not have to mean "completely different place/building". It's just logistical separation)

[oblique notch]

it doesnt matter what nodes or where or what or how many. Its just that "This factory produces X of item, and is contractually obligated to continue to produce that and factory 2 needs X of item, and is contractually obligated to continue to use that amount"

[wind spade]

you can have both in one factory next to each other, but it should be clear which one belongs to which process, so that you don't have to do any calculations or anything to figure out how much you can dismantle

[oblique notch]

Internally, you could change factory 1 from using smelters and standard iron ingots to using Pure iron ingots. As long as it can continue to provide the agreed upon 100/ingots a minute to factory 2, it doesnt matter that you just changed it.

[wind spade]

yeah but what if you want to change one factory to a different recipe, which means you suddenly need less of some ingredient?

[oblique notch]

Then you expand the factory

[wind spade]

less

[oblique notch]

because its contractually obligated to accept that amount

or

[wind spade]

you have to figure out how much you can dismantle

[oblique notch]

you reneogtiate

[noble current]

but doesn't that mean that I need to know how much of the very end products I need to produce already at where I am right now?

[oblique notch]

only if you are super hard case about it. For Ana, I wouldnt worry that much.

Make a factory that produces ingots. Then make a factory that uses those ingots. Then make another that uses that. ect ect.

[vapid gorge]

Do you mind if I msg you real quick?

[noble current]

@vapid gorge sure go ahead

[wind spade]

no, the exact opposite. Because you only build what you need right now. For example, if you build modular frame factory and then in the future you realise you need modular frames also for heavy modular frame factory, you build another modular frame production as part of heavy modular frame factory

[noble current]

so in case of motors... I build at a place where iron, coal and copper nodes are arguably close together and start the rotor/stator production into the motor being the "temporary final product"?

[wind spade]

the screenshot isn't a great example, but let's say:
Factory A produces RIPs using bolted plate
Factory B produces screws
both factories then have screws in their production

now imagine I want to change factory A to produce it using standard recipe, so it has reduced screw usage. if I have both factories logistically separated, I can just rebuild all I know is part of factory A. If I don't have them separated, I have to think/calculate/something about how many screw constructors do I need to remove or rebuild.

[wind spade]

you can also make a factory that makes stators, rotors and motors, all three separate 🙂

again though, this is just one way to play and I do prefer it, but that doesn't mean others need to use it 🙂

[noble current]

but if I build 3 different factories, doesn't the motor one depend on other factories, e.g. the rotor and stator factory?

[oblique notch]

yes but they are a single system

I honestly wouldnt worry about what greeny does here too much Ana. This is the kind of stuff devs and Architechts spend many long meetings arguing over - where are our API gulfs and translation layers. where is our encapsulation going to fall. Does this belong inside here or there.

Its not worth it for a game if you dont want to do it 😛

there have been many a meeting ive been in thats last 4 or 5 hours going round the same basic things. and everyone arguing and switching sides like its the end times 😛

Each time you log in give yourself a small goal. "Today Im going to start getting Motor production done" and build that. Tomorrow work on something else. It doesnt have to be perfect, it just has to be worth your time

[wind spade]

no, the motor factory has it's own rotor and stator production

[wind spade]

yeah this is what I said many times (most recently 3 messages above yours), it's just what I suggest as "easy" way to build modular things and be prepared for any future rebuilds you may want to do

but nobody forces you to do that and you're free to play in any way you like 😛

[noble current]

I am just trying to understand, not to critize

[wind spade]

yeah it's fine 🙂

[mortal egret]

Almost done with my nuclear set up, just need to get the reactors set up, but I'll do that tomorrow

[fierce cypress]

^^

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah, the flat belter guy

[prime orchid]

Does this one building always have the same number? If it never goes up then that means it just got some extra to start with and now they stay in there. Or if the number is growing then that could be a run time efficiency issue. (Slow clock speed or water input not keeping up)

[prime orchid]

You can do this and in fact it is a perfectly fine and fun way to build. Don’t let others tell you how to build. If you have a factory that focuses on making say motors 100/min, you can prioritize the output to a factory that needs motors 50/min, then send the overflow to storage, and then when the storage is full you can overflow into a sink. If you ever need more motor production then you just grow that motor factory. Have fun :)

If you don’t care about being 100% efficient you can even prioritize a small storage as an emergency stock that you only dig into when you’re really in need

That way if you’re blowing through them, the storage gets restocked first making sure you have more when you really need it

Or you could just have storage overkill that you never have to worry about that

[normal shadow]

If I'm producing 350 batteries / min..what's an approx sustainable amount of drones? They could be flying to anywhere, but the land zone will be the middle of the map.
I just want to fill the sky!!

[fierce cypress]

A Drone consumes a minimum of 4 Batteries per trip plus 1 Battery per km of flight distance. so say anywhere between 70 and 25 depending on distance, longer distance trips will use less batteries/km.

[normal shadow]

Thanks :) I'll work on some where between that then

[blazing ravine]

How do you manage sulfur? There are so few nodes I have analysis paralysis. What should I use them for?

[vapid gorge]

generally very little because of that. Nuclear for the most part

Other people like compacted coal and instant scrap. Definitely a thing where you need to look into logistics

[noble current]

I mean yea, my goal would be, when overflowing into other factories, to always have more than I need for the next factory.

For example: I produce currently 600/min quickwire - just not AI Limiter. My idea was to just substrack barely enough to make a few Limiters/min to support my needs of smart splitters, but not too much than it'd make use of a noticable amount of quickwire - in this case I planned into overflowing only 300 quickwire/min for 15/min Limiter production which equates into 50% of what I produce for quickwire right now

[prime orchid]

15 limiters per min is not "just enough to support needs for smart splitters" it's total overkill lol you're not going to be using 900 smart splitters every hour :P

1/min is plenty for smart splitter needs

[noble current]

well, it's my first proper playthrough, so idk what expects me in further T7-T8

having is something is always better than needing something - and in worst case the overflow of those 15/min is sent to a sink and givng me points

plus, if I need quickwire for different, I can still adjust the limiter production, if it's above my needs

[prime orchid]

i remember thinking the same thing, but turns out, it doesn't get used for much

[noble current]

I assume it's easier to let 4x 45p/m belts manifold into 1x 108p/m and 1x 72p/m machine, rather than trying to load balance it into 2 belts, correct?

[vapid gorge]

I'm not sure what what you mean? Generally manifolds are faster and simpler to set up though

[noble current]

I mean if I just fill the needs just into an overflow system, or if I should be explicitly 108:72 split belts since I have 2 machines - 1 requires 108p/m another 72p/m from the same product

[arctic willow]

getting down to 72 would require a division by 5, which can't easily be done with balancers (unless you feed them back) - at which point even I'd give up and manifold it

[noble current]

I see

[mortal egret]

I almost never use load balancers
Unless it's for sending Uranium fuel cells to nuclear reactors

[frosty owl]

Division by 5 can easily be done with balancers
That's the most basic load-balancing one can do that goes over the "trivial" level of difficulty (splitting in 2-3-4-6-8...)

[arctic willow]

i use a mix depending on the layout, space and numbers 😃

[noble current]

if I split this mk 1 belt from the mk 4, it means that the mk4 proceeds with 420 and the mk1 with 60, correct?

[mortal egret]

Yes

[noble current]

which means, that if I'm splitting the 60 again, 30 will be going back to the 420 making it 450 and the other will be 30, correct?

what I am trying to understand is, if this setup would balance between 455p/m and 25p/m

[arctic willow]

if there's one last belt in there that i can't see because of the camera angles 😛 , yes

[noble current]

ye the last belt is hiding behind the splitter with the lift

[arctic willow]

that's what i figured 😃

[noble current]

neat, that's actually my first attempt on my own of splitting into those numbers 😅

now I am wondering, if there's a more compact way to do this..

[arctic willow]

you can shift and reshuffle it a bit but i don't think there's a smaller number of splitters and mergers to do it (until someone comes along and says to manifold it with one splitter)

[wind spade]

Damn now I can't say it

[noble current]

it'd clog up production lines to just manifold that part, sadly

[wind spade]

It wouldn't

Manifold works the same as balancer, it doesn't use less or more items

[noble current]

oh you mean setting on the last input a s.splitter and set that one to overflow for the 25 to get rid off?

[wind spade]

Manifold = don't build balancers, split with single splitter per machine and let it sort itself

[noble current]

the issue is, the machines only need 455 and not 480

[arctic willow]

most compact version i could come up with

[wind spade]

Then yeah, smart split overflow to sink/storage

[noble current]

oh that's actually looks neat!

[arctic willow]

it's actually completely wrong (i forgot a belt at the start )

just imagine there's a mk1 in the corner between those first two splitters

[noble current]

nah already got that one in my mind placed

[wind spade]

I'd still use just one smart splitter, but it's up to you 😛

[frosty owl]

Tips: Use a smart splitter to ensure 60/min (and no less) go on the MK1 belt. Don't make the "limiting" belt segments (like the MK1 one) more than one belt segment long

[noble current]

assume by "one belt segment" you mean this?

also, what's about to happen if I mess up and make accidentally more segments?

[frosty owl]

Each piece of belt you can select with your dismantle tool is a belt segment

[frosty owl]

The items back up a bit at belt-to-belt connections (b2b), so the balancer becomes slightly imprecise

[noble current]

I see

[oblique notch]

90% certain thus is just a visual bug

[frosty owl]

Using a high-tier belt segment going out of the splitter followed by a slower belt segment allows to make longer "chocked" belts

[oblique notch]

Not an actual backup

[frosty owl]

That's the basis of the b2b bug: items "stuttering" at belt connections (the fact that there's a visual artifact there too is just a bonus)

[noble current]

also, I assume the s.splitter being some kind of failsafe?

just wondering since one can't actually set fix numbers into the s.splitter

[snow dove]

being able to just set numbers kind defeats the point of logistics

[noble current]

I know

I am just wondering why the suggestion of the s.splitter

[snow dove]

prioritizing the mk1 belt means it won’t mess up at all

[noble current]

oh so I just set it up wrong? I see..

I assume, right must be "any/all" and forward must be "overflow"?

[snow dove]

mhm

[noble current]

I want the 455 on the mk4, that's why the load balance in first place

as a reference of intention

[frosty owl]

Simply put, yes.
Not using one often doesn't lead to full belts

[noble current]

ok..and which is the correct setup? just got confused a little...

the main 455 set to "overflow" or "any/all"?

[frosty owl]

The MK1 belt is the one you want full so you set that output to "any"; the remaining items go on the MK4 so you can set that output to "overflow"

[noble current]

oh, and since the mk1 can only 60, it literally forces a max of 60 onto the sideline and as such it also forces the correct amount on the mainline through the overflow setting, correct?

[frosty owl]

Thus my prior suggestion of having a single MK1 belt segment, else it might be even less than 60/min

[noble current]

neat, I feel like I slowly starting to understand the belt logistics

[noble current]

thanks so much for all the advice and help ❤️

and especially the patience with me

[cobalt jewel]

I've made something to remotely set the output rate of multiple items and lost a bit of sanity in the process

[oblique hollow]

the question is why would you

just set input rates according to the output available to you

on-site changes are easier than off-site

[cobalt jewel]

say I want to send X items to the space elevator for processing I dont want to send them with full capacity and then have random left over stuff lying around especially with higher tier items

via truck, train or whatever

and I have more granual control over how much stuff I sent where

[oblique notch]

why do you say this?

curious as to what evidence you have. It doesnt really matter as far as ic an tell -

it wont affect the machines at all if you are using a slower belt as long as that belts max capacity is higher than what the machine needs a minute

[frosty owl]

Because that specific MK1 segment is used to carry exactly 60/min, no less (and obviously no more). Using multiple consecutive MK1 segments would incur in b2b issues

The context was a load-balancer, without even involving machines

[oblique notch]

i still am of the opinion the b2b is just visual

the stuttering visual does not mean a stutter in item transfer, because the visuals and items are not directly linked (the items influence the visuals, but they are their own rendering after the fact, faked away from the items on the belt/in the inventory, in order to increase performance)

[frosty owl]

I don't claim that belts that show stuttering at junctions are backing up (items do that on non-full up belts all the same). What I'm saying is that each b2b connection causes a small loss of max throughput; such loss is cumulative, but can be avoided using a single (full) belt segment ||Until U7 may change that||

The data show how an increase of b2b connections leads to an increase loss of throughput
#1006573529183027401 message

The effects on MK1 belts are minuscule, but I think it's worth pointing out as doing similar load-balancing shenanigans with higher tier belts can lead to noticeable issues if the b2b issue isn't accounted for

[tired maple]

if i need 5 of something and it outputs 2 and i need 4000 of that item how would i do the math?

[wind spade]

4000/2*5?

[austere notch]

Hey guys... bit of a complex question which I'm hoping has already been answered somewhere.

iirc from college stats - I might need some calculus to do this properly. I'm looking for a formula to maximize (and optimize) production of each top tier component with the given parameters being the maximum input rate of each base resource...

...thoughts?

[frosty owl]

I'll let the green man speak

[wind spade]

what ratio do you want between the end game resources? (and which ones are those?)

[wind spade]

I'm blue though ||da ba dee||

[frosty owl]

Petition to change greeny's colour to a greenish colour

[austere notch]

Hard for me to lookup as my internet is kinda crap atm and I'm on my phone - but I would say equal parts of the final resources for the space elevator, minus & accounting for necessary inputs to nuclearly power (and convert to plutonium) the mega-factory.

[frosty owl]

The latter part can easily be solved with SFTools
The first part... Probably the same ^^

Have you ever used the maximize function on SFTools?

[wind spade]

scim has maximise?

[austere notch]

Basically I'm looking for maximum consumption of the planet's resources at the highest possible complexity level of production.

Wait SFTools / SCIM has maximize??? Like... give it all inputs and it'll maximize output at a given tier??

[wind spade]

not sure about SCIM, but SFTools does indeed

if you add multiple products, it produces them in equal rate

[crystal venture]

I'm on my first world and I found 4 oil nodes close to each other, but I'm thinking there must be more somewhere in the world right? Except they don't show up on my scanner. I want to keep all oil related things in a single area but I can't figure out where the rest of the oil is

[austere notch]

I will check it out - thank you

[wind spade]

first, keeping everything in one place is usually discouraged, separated factories are much easier to maintain (and fps-wise).
second, scanner shows only 3? closest nodes iirc
third, you can use radar towers to uncover map and look for other nodes (or use online map to look where nodes are, if you're fine with spoiling yourself)

[crystal venture]

oh I didn't realize scanner only shows 3 closest thanks

I have some travelling to do it seems

[wind spade]

in addition, if you're looking for the formula itself rather than the result, TL;DR is "linear programming / simplex method", or I can give you the long rundown how it works 😄

[crystal venture]

hmm keeping things separate

[austere notch]

@wind spade - I didn't know you built SFTools ❤

[crystal venture]

wrong reply?

[austere notch]

Thank you! Excellent tool!

[crystal venture]

well I guess that gives me an excuse to put trains everywhere

[austere notch]

Yup - sorry - thought I removed it

[austere notch]

Or drones 😅

[wind spade]

well part of this may also be "build near nodes that you need for given production" 🙂

[austere notch]

I'm actually pretty curious ^^

[wind spade]

alright, let's make a thread for it, I'm tired of DMing people with it lol

Satisfactory Tools - optimisation algorithm

[austere notch]

Personally - I have a main factory, an oil-products base (transported via trains), and a drone battery factory.

Everything cycles through the main base, overflowing to a storage cave, and that overflow goes to a few awesome sinks.

Now i want to try to fully exploit the planet via only drone logistics and have built the shell of a new mega-factory to work towards that lol

[tired maple]

Any one else think thay know the answer to my question

[austere notch]

@wind spade was right - though your question is a bit vague. Can you clarify your meaning?

[austere notch]

Thank you - what are you looking for? The number of Electromagnetic Control rods for 4000 Magnetic Field Generators?

[frosty owl]

||TFW you finally meet your childhood hero ||

[austere notch]

lol pretty much

[frosty owl]

There's an answer right below your question though...
Is that incorrect?

[austere notch]

@tired maple - this is the answer.

[tired maple]

Ok thx

[tropic hawk]

Oh, congrats on your promotion

[tropic hawk]

It gets weirder because iirc he doesn't play the game much at all, but does keep the tools up to date

[wind spade]

huh?

[barren elm]

Promotion to bluey

[vapid gorge]

Shorter wavelength is a promotion?

[versed violet]

it reflects his frequency of interaction

[wind spade]

it reflects how baine is lazy to restore my old role and just calls it a promotion when I was testing things under different roles

[versed violet]

Does SCIM have a radar tower coverage view? With so many of them its hard to tell which area is under radar and which not.

[vapid gorge]

wait. hasn't your name always been in blue?

at least... for years

[lunar iris]

so after doing some wiki diving it looks like if I want to get the most awesome points out of an iron node until I'm ready to actually use it for something, turning it into screws is probably the best bet? 1 point for 1 ore turning into 8 points for 4 screws?

[vapid gorge]

I guess? What tier are you at?

[lunar iris]

4-ish?

[cinder silo]

At least greeny has his name back to normal, for a short time he had it as grrrny due to a typo by me and he ran with it 🤣

[lunar iris]

though Reinforced Iron Plate doubles that efficiency

[vapid gorge]

oh that's reasonable. You should check out what petro coke, crystal and silica get you. I often have those on in the background early on

[lunar iris]

atm I'm taking it slow and sinking all the ore

until I'm ready for it

[versed violet]

how about tapping all the quartz nodes for easier points?

[lunar iris]

I'm only in the Northeastern desert atm, slowly expanding

and it's making Silica and Quartz Crystal, filling a storage, then sinking everything else

[wind spade]

well light blue

[vapid gorge]

oooh you should find some quartz nodes. 50 per crystal.

[lunar iris]

I'm still on what is basically my first play through so I'm not rushing anything

technically not but actually yes

[vapid gorge]

there isn't a section in the people bar on the right with light blue, what does either blue mean?

[vapid gorge]

Not actually?

[lunar iris]

I've poked around once or twice but never really gotten as far as I ahve

[wind spade]

both are basically "does things for community", there's no real difference apart from color and the dark blues considered "doing more" or something like that

afaik some of dark blue ones are alpha testers

[vapid gorge]

Good list of points here. In case something convenient might give you a boost 🙂 https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/AWESOME_Sink

[lunar iris]

just unlocked the packager and since I'm not really using the oil for much yet I'm thinking I'm gonna set up a packager and sink the oil/oil products I'm not using too

I'm not really concerned about points atm

it's just more.......not leaving things to sit while I bumble my way through

if I can sink them I might as well

[vapid gorge]

Early oil produces HOR as a 'waste' product. Turning it into coke and sinking it is pretty convenient 🙂

[lunar iris]

even if I have to triple my power output via coal

[cinder silo]

My very early points got used for, concrete walls/foundation, conveyor floor/wall holes and wall power points, can go very far with just that.

[lunar iris]

got all those already

all the stickers except for 1

[vapid gorge]

ladders

[cinder silo]

Everything else is just nice to have or fluff.

[lunar iris]

the conveyor holes thing got fixed in the last day or two, right?

[vapid gorge]

I heard that, no idea if true. I'm stickign to u6

[cinder silo]

The conveyor holes "are" fixed, not on my machine yet because I haven't updated due to an ongoing experiment.

[vapid gorge]

I'm v surprised belts and holes were so gunked up this exp. Maybe they were trying to fix the b2b and created a monster xD

[cinder silo]

Probably, I even demonstrated mk4 belts on single sections cause a subtle but present backup as well now, that was absent prior to U7.

[vapid gorge]

Belts unionised. 'you don't like us droping 1 or 2 every once in a while? Fine. We'll drop 50'

They do so much work but so unappreciated.

[cinder silo]

Got an ever growing error rate on an ongoing mk4 experiment now lol.

[vapid gorge]

man U7 must be a nightmare for finely tuned maps

[cinder silo]

Yeah, it takes just under an hour for Vencam's entire uranium fuel rod production to completely fold up due to a steady accumulation of error that makes the 765ppm just back right up and yellow light one damned refinery making pure copper.

[vapid gorge]

I'm surprised it takes more than 5 minutes tbh

[cinder silo]

It is a very slow backup, you can see the copper ingots in the refinery buffer gradually counting upwards like a damned time bomb.

[vapid gorge]

if it's JUST that you could have an overflow sink? Maybe? actually I can see that as not being a solution

[cinder silo]

Problem is the system is designed to use exactly what is produced, with the belts giving like a 0,1 error per minute, the entire thing is running ever so slightly short, then the copper doesn't get there in time and the finely balanced system falls apart in a spectacular fashion.

[vapid gorge]

Yeah, he must have teh sads 😦

[cinder silo]

The entire factory is a very finely tuned and tbh well crafted installation but it is very sensitive to things being disturbed.

[vapid gorge]

part of what makes him a mad man xD

[vapid gorge]

Ugh I don't suppose I can pay you to rewire my power plant? I'm dying

[cinder silo]

Still though 765ppm on a very short stretch of belt should be possible, that it backs up like mad is just screwed.

Heh, my wiring design would probably cause you some nightmares 🙂

[vapid gorge]

I dont know.. U6 broke a bunch of my cable connections in my power plant. I have it segmented it - extraction/pump, HOR, Coke, Blenders ect so I can set it up in chunks

[cinder silo]

My overarching design puts power in to three groups, first being the actual mains/hover grid, this is the overall enmeshed power grid that is embedded in the floor & ceiling, it enables me to hover everywhere all the time, second is fed from that via building power switch, is for the machines power for that building, and finally a light switch., that is fed by the power switch, it enables me to shut down a building completely + lights with the flick of just that buildings switch.

[vapid gorge]

oh not disimilar. Except I get around the hover pack bug by just enabling fly. Cause that bug is annoying

[cinder silo]

Quick look at my standard building power setup is.

[vapid gorge]

I like it 🙂

[cinder silo]

This shows roughly how the wiring is done in the ceiling space, hover grid goes on the actual ceiling and machine power is via the cables hung from the beams.

[tropic hawk]

Last I saw, you were green instead of blue.

[fierce cypress]

Green? More light blue, bet yea greeny got promoted

[crystal venture]

I have a pipe of crude oil that is supplying 600 cubic meters/min, and I want to refine it into plastic. 20 refineries producing plastic will use exactly 600 cubic meters/min, but I can't figure out how to evenly distribute the oil to them all. 20 seems to be an annoying number, not divisible by 3 or 4

or should I just not bother and make something that doesn't distribute evenly and wait for overflow to handle it

[vapid gorge]

are you trying to load balance fluids?

[crystal venture]

by load balance do you mean making sure the pipes all supply oil at the same rate

[vapid gorge]

yes

[crystal venture]

yeah

[vapid gorge]

like with belts?

[crystal venture]

belts?

[vapid gorge]

conveyor belts, splitting them up so they have X number on each?

[crystal venture]

yeah but with oil

[vapid gorge]

fluid is bi directional, you can't load balance it

So yeah you just manifold it.
But also you'll want to loop the end of hte manifold back to the start before you split it off

[crystal venture]

this wouldn't?

[vapid gorge]

no, like I said fluid is bidirectional, it flows back and forth to the point of least fill.

pipes do not behave the same as belts

[crystal venture]

I know but

if I had fluids going into the single pipe, wouldn't this supply the oil at the same rate to each of the refineries

[vapid gorge]

it would do so regardless, as pipes are bi directional and self balance

like a manifold

All that does is make it unnecessarily complicated and make it more likely to have instabilities in the flow

[crystal venture]

so one splitter feeding into another and another and so on would balance itself?

[vapid gorge]

yup, just like a manifold

[fierce cypress]

pipes are self balancing and do not behave like belts

[crystal venture]

alright I'll stop worrying about how I'm putting my pipes together then

thanks

[vapid gorge]

oh no, you have to worry about how your pipes are put together

like I said, you're doing a 600 flow pipe? You need to link the end of hte manifold in a loop back to the start.

[crystal venture]

but I don't need to worry because you just explained how to do it ;)

[vapid gorge]

preferably the loop will be at teh same heigh ore below the other pipe

[fierce cypress]

self balancing =/= do whatever

[vapid gorge]

Ok, the looping is important though

[crystal venture]

yeah I know about that

that was what I was going to do if this didn't work out

which it didn't, so here I go with the loops

[vapid gorge]

essentially if you're doing anything near the 600 limit? manifold loop. Honestly even if it's like 400 - 500 loop it. It fixes so many issues

[crystal venture]

Just in case so I don't make a fool of myself later, this is what you were talking about right?

[vapid gorge]

looks good!

[crystal venture]

cool

[lilac geyser]

whats the point of a loop ?

[crystal venture]

it brings higher pressured pipes to the area with the lowest pressured pipes, which helps it to supply fluids more uniformly

(I think)

[fierce cypress]

avoids sloshing and backflow

[lilac geyser]

i dont see how that can fix it

[fierce cypress]

why not?

[vapid gorge]

ok so if some fluid near the end of an unlooped pipe decides to move backwards becaues the pipe behind it is LESS full than forward - what's going to happen to the incoming fluid hitting a full pipe?

[deft lichen]

Simply put a pipe with many junctions has a lower throughput due to all the splitting going on, a loop around is a good remedy

[cobalt jewel]

fluids do be very funky especially with full capacity. You want to use all tricks to balance it otherwise you will have a cascading effect that steadily gets worse

I have an alluminium factory that processes all the bauxite on the map with water reuse in a close loop. Getting that factory to not choke on itself was a nightmare

[frosty owl]

Copper ingots starved a single-input Fused Quickwire Assembler which would then clog on Caterium Ingots (and from there, cascade)

[frosty owl]

Considering that it loos like the current bugs will carry over to EA, making it impossible for me to load the savefile "safely" on any current version of the game... a bit :/

[oblique notch]

You are being pretty pessimistic.

[frosty owl]

No, I am being realistic, based on Uzu's comments.
Atm the file can only run safely in EA. If U7 goes to EA with the current issues, the savefile won't be loadable on EA either (without clogging)

[round moon]

yeah they are rushing the EA release

[neon wraith]

Ok I'm not all here today, but I need to fix some math on my spread sheet.

I have 126 Silos @ 250%
That would be 20 waste/min per so 2,520 Waste a min correct?

[vapid gorge]

oh no... here I go, not updating my game again

[neon wraith]

So that means I need 67.2 Blendars making Non Fissile Uranium?

[vapid gorge]

shrug use satisfactorytools.com to double check

[prime orchid]

Blendars

[neon wraith]

The hip way to say them

If my math is right, Seems Plat fuel is uneven, if you're using 100% uranium @ 126x250% silos

[prime orchid]

Pressure isn’t a thing in satisfactory

[noble timber]

Pipes work based on pressure, it very much is a thing

[neon wraith]

No, they work on Flow Rate

[noble timber]

Flow rate is generated by pressure

[prime orchid]

They work based on a few different things, pressure not being one of them

[neon wraith]

No, Flow rate is Generated by Flow Rate

[prime orchid]

Lol

[noble timber]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/satisfactory_gamepedia_en/images/3/39/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

Take a read of this

“Pressure-Based: Pipes use Pressure to generate movement of fluid - the Flow Rate.”

“Pipes build up Pressure as they fill. The more they are filled, the faster they flow. (1.2 m Head Lift)
The Fluid in Pipes will flow from places of high pressure to low pressure - from full pipe to less full pipe Until a Pipe's internal Volume is full, it can't transmit Head Lift from machines or pumps.”

[neon wraith]

This is written by someone using Those terms

[noble timber]

@oblique hollow can you confirm?

[neon wraith]

The only Pressure pipes have is Head Lift, as long as you have proper lift, pipes are still going by the flow rate in them. Pressure NEVER increases or decreases this flow rate. If Head Lift isn't there, then its 0 flow rate.

That guide was written in simple terms for people to follow.

[oblique hollow]

wah

whats this about again

[noble timber]

Pressure

[oblique hollow]

what about it

[noble timber]

Being real or not

[wind spade]

pressure increasing flow rate

[prime orchid]

Headlift isn’t pressure it’s a height limit

[oblique hollow]

Its important to discern between Head Lift and Work Pressure

[neon wraith]

That guide he linked says pressure = headlift

[noble timber]

No it doesn’t

[oblique hollow]

It also distinguishes between 2 types of pressure

[noble timber]

It says pressure generates flow rate

[wind spade]

flow rate isn't headlift

[oblique hollow]

A reminder: Head Lift is a type of pressure, but its not the type of pressure used to calculate flow rates

this second type of pressure that determines flow is work pressure

[neon wraith]

rereading it now as its been months since i've read it

[oblique hollow]

Head Lift, by all means, is just for verticality

The other type of pressure is loosely related to it

but its much more related to pipe volume and flow rate

Work Pressure, Flow Rate and Pipe volume are in a triangular relation to each other, with Head Lift only somewhat coupled inbetween

for most cases, its ok to say "not enough pressure" as in "the pipe is not full and thus it cannot fully pass on head lift"

or to just say pressure = pipe volume

full pipes are under pressure

empty ones not

[prime orchid]

But they don’t have “pressure”

[oblique hollow]

they do

but its a complicated hidden way

and not the type you expect like in real life

[neon wraith]

If you have 5 water wheels, then a Tier 2 Pipe of water will have a 600 Flow rate regardless of this hidden pressure, correct?

[oblique hollow]

it should, yes

[neon wraith]

Then there is no pressure you need to think about then?

[oblique hollow]

no, there isnt, you only need to worry if your pipe is moving higher than the head lift it currently has

[prime orchid]

A complicated hidden way to mimic somewhat of a working principal of pressure for all intents and purposes but it’s not an actual pressure value

[oblique hollow]

depends on what you expect it to do

we have the kind of pressure that makes fluids flow from full to empty pipes, but its not directly related to the pressure needed to surpass gravity

[neon wraith]

I've always understood, If you have correct headlift, you treat them like belts. 5x120 = 600 to the first machine, then it goes crazy math

[oblique hollow]

if there was no "pressure" then fluids wouldnt have a reason to flow

[prime orchid]

It only needs to do work in a way that functions for the game, hence not breaking our computers to calculate actual pressure

[oblique hollow]

it does its own kind of pressure and flow rate and volume

[prime orchid]

They do though, empty pipe next to full pipe, no?

[oblique hollow]

yeah but according to a dev interview, thats handles by pressure calculations between pipes

it analyses pipe content and then calculates pressure values between pipes
those then get translated to flow rate

it gets funnier when you consider pipes can be more than 100% full (this isnt a joke, pipes have extra capacity called "overfill" which is directly related to pressure according to dev notes)

[prime orchid]

Capacity isn’t related to flow rate correct?

[oblique hollow]

it isnt, but current volume is

[prime orchid]

More like an extra buffer

I figured it had to in order for the basic calculations to function

[oblique hollow]

if a pipe has maximum capacity 5m³ or 20 m³, it doesnt matter
only what percentage of that capacity is filled

because, yes, you need your pipe to have a volume corresponding to the needed pressure for a given flow rate

convoluted way to say: a pipe that is 50% full (a flat pipe mind you) will be able to support 50% of maximum flow rate

vertical pipes are more complicated, naturally

[prime orchid]

Is this why trying to find a spot for a pump on a vertical pipe is problematic

[oblique hollow]

nah

pumps give you the head lift value accurately

snapping pumps to pipes just leaves a bit of extra pipe inside the pump, making the pipe "longer than expected"

[prime orchid]

Not that I mean the first pump at the bottom

[oblique hollow]

also not, people just suck at estimating 10 m height accurently, plus this extra bit of pipe left after snapping

[prime orchid]

Seems like even if you place them under the headlift of the extractor, they can still run dry

[neon wraith]

Does anyone know the Number of Platnium Fuel rods you can make if you're doing the Max Nuclear @ 50.4 a min? I'm trying to find it on the wiki, but i'm at a loss

[oblique hollow]

use satifactory tools?

10 waste/min for 0.2 rods iirc

[neon wraith]

I'm trying, but hating it on my phone

[prime orchid]

50.4 what

[oblique hollow]

understandable

[neon wraith]

Max nuclear fuel rods you can make a min is 50.4

I have 126x%250 Silos. that should be 20 waste a min x 126 for 2520 Uranium Waste.

[steel elk]

damn

[neon wraith]

Trying to plan stuff out when I get home, and putting stuff on a spread sheet. On the phone it's a bit harder

[steel elk]

you need 4 belts just for that waste

imagine the uranium-> plutonium processing

[neon wraith]

Tha'ts what im planning out lol

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14nrZB3mwtmYEkgayibFlrlJnZpW_77jI5dJsasB6Dx4/edit?usp=sharing

I think my math is way off

As i'm getting 89.6 Fuel rods a min

[prime orchid]

are you storing the waste, sinking plutonium fuel rods, or burning them and storing plutonium waste?

[neon wraith]

I swore there was a Max Power for Silos thing on the wiki, but can't find it now

[neon wraith]

Storing the waste for now, as its a huge reduction

[prime orchid]

wait you were asking about making plutonium rods, what do you mean you're storing the waste?

what is your goal

[neon wraith]

MAX POWARRRR!!!!

[prime orchid]

max power would be burning the plutonium rods

[neon wraith]

yea, and the waste is way smaller that way too

I found this in Triva
The most Plutonium Fuel Rods that can be made per minute is 30.54 alongside 22.91 Uranium Fuel Rods.[2] However, this does not yield the most power. Producing 22.4 Plutonium Fuel Rods alongside 50.4 Uranium Fuel Rods does,[3] sustaining a total of 476 Nuclear Power Plants producing exactly 1,190,000 MW (or 1.19 TW) of power.

II don't know how old that is tho... As my math is saying a lot more then 22.4 Plut Rods

I'm going to sink the Rods till I need the Power, but I want to set up everything for when I need it. So trying to plan that out now.

[wind spade]

it's still correct

[barren elm]

Considering your result is off by exactly 4x, I imagine you've multiplied something somewhere by 4 where you shouldn't have

[neon wraith]

Ok cool, then my math is way off.

I'm starting with Uranium Waste. a Silo @ 250% puts out 20 waste per min. So that's 126x20 for 2520 uranium waste per min.

So 2520 is the Factor on making Plat Rods.

2520 / 37.5 = 67.2 Blenders a min making 3360 Non Fissile Uranium.

3360 / 150 for Instant Plutonium Cells

Yea i messed up in two locations

so far

messed up there too

[prime orchid]

it's the same without being overclocked.. 50.4/.2=252*10=2520

250% shouldn't produce 20/min

[neon wraith]

100% shows 10 waste a min, and 250% shows 20 waste per min on the wiki

[prime orchid]

oh apparently nuclear works differently but it's still not exactly 20

[neon wraith]

nuclear power was just changed on the overclocking

so i'm not sure with out being in game

[prime orchid]

are you on U6 or U7?

and is nuclear changed to the new linear overclocking in U7? or is it still unique?

[neon wraith]

u7

unsure

[cinder silo]

All power clocks are linear now.

[neon wraith]

bb in a few sorry

[cinder silo]

Before they were a little weird, at 250% clock you'd about get 200% which made maths a pain regarding them

[prime orchid]

so if it's linear now you should get 25/min in U7 but on U6 at 250% the burn rate would be 0.4000000199, and the waste would be 20.0000009951 per plant

however it's impossible to overclock more than 200% on U7 correct? it would require more water than mk.2 pipe can handle

[median heath]

They reduced base water consumption to 240/min

[prime orchid]

oh well i also just realized on U6 pipes would bottleneck power plant at 250%

limiting it to .4 burn rate and 20 waste /min

[oblique notch]

But in theory not anymore, given that 240 water/min at 250% is 600

(For u7) (bugs aside)

[cinder silo]

Pipes have been pretty well behaved, their quirks remain but are well documented.

[neon wraith]

Sorry got a job had to drive to do it.

So are the silos @ 250% still doing 20 waste a min?

[oblique hollow]

no, in U7 nukes at 250% now actually run 2.5x as fast

so 25 waste/min

for 6250 MW

[neon wraith]

Oh this is better! That means more power for plutonium

[oblique hollow]

they also use more rods, naturally

0.5 rods/min

so nothing changed, the nukes are just a bit faster now

[neon wraith]

So that’s 3150 waste a min

Makes it perfect 84 blenders for waste

[neon wraith]

I thought only water changed? Consumption changed too?

[oblique hollow]

its due to overclock change

250% is now actually 250% speed

before, it was 200% for nukes

[prime orchid]

how?

[oblique hollow]

they still need 0.2 rods at 100%

but at 250% that makes 0.5 since 0.2 x 2.5 = 0.5

[neon wraith]

25 waste a min x 126 silos

[neon wraith]

Shit then my nuclear might be off now….

[prime orchid]

i thought we were talking about 50.4 uranium rods /min

[oblique hollow]

126 definitely is not possible

[neon wraith]

Might not be 126 reactors x %250 now

[oblique hollow]

as they would all need 63 rods now

yeah its now less reactors

[neon wraith]

Noooooo

[oblique hollow]

its now 100.8 reactors

[prime orchid]

you need 100.8

[oblique hollow]

jinx

[prime orchid]

yah lol

100.8 x 25/min is.....

[neon wraith]

Damn I have the 126 set up /cries

[oblique hollow]

2520/min waste

[prime orchid]

this

[neon wraith]

I really hate that I’ll have to redo my nuclear now…. They said only thing changing was water….

[prime orchid]

over clock doesn't matter as long as the input is the same. only thing that changes is how many buildings you need

[oblique hollow]

they clearly said they are reworking overclocking for generators

that includes the nuclear reactor

[prime orchid]

i knew they were doing that for a long time lol

[neon wraith]

Yea but one videos I watched said only water changed to base 240

[prime orchid]

and i just got the game

welli've had it. just started playing seriously

[oblique hollow]

yea, because otherwise you have more than 600 water at 250%

[neon wraith]

I hate that it’s not perfect numbers

[oblique hollow]

they lowered it so it works fine at 250%

[prime orchid]

i thought they would just introduce mk.3 pipes xD

[neon wraith]

With 2100 uranium… 101 nuclear is just killing my ocd

[oblique hollow]

set one to 40% and another to 40%

102 nukes

[neon wraith]

Lol

Not bad idea

[prime orchid]

remember this is just for your uranium, you still got plutonium to burn

[neon wraith]

Yea I was working on that math

But now I have to go back on uranium

[prime orchid]

it's half as many, so 50.4 plants with 50.4 waste /min

wait sorry

89.6?

did i do that right

22.4 plutonium, /.1 input /2.5 clock speed

[oblique notch]

just turn off 25 of them for the time being

or for the time being, reduce everyone of them to 80%

er. maybe not quite that...reduce them to 80% of 250%?

if 126 generators before = 100.8 generators now, then 100.8/126 = .8, but if your generators were fully overclocked before, then yeah. 80% of 250% is ... hah. of course. 200%.

So just clock all your generators to 200% until you can go back and adjust

[coarse steppe]

200

[oblique notch]

duh right? I mean thats what they changed in effect with the OC change 😛

[potent nexus]

you know you can just set the output *0,8. The text field can do math.

[neon wraith]

It throws all of my balance off so it will have to be redone.

I had 7 set ups each set up feeding 18 nuclear

All load balanced.

I may just do a straight 100 10x10 grid now. That .1 can take a hike lol

[oblique notch]

if its load balanced it should be fine

switching them all to 200% will be idenitcal to what it was before the u7 change

consuming and producing the same amount as to what they were before. so if you

[neon wraith]

126 @ 200%?

[oblique notch]

had them load balanced theyw ill still beputting the same amount on the belts

[oblique notch]

yes.

[neon wraith]

Oh thank god

[oblique notch]

it may require a tiny bit of tweaking here or there, because if i remember right it wasn't exactly 200% consumption rate when you OC'd to 250, it was like 199.98? or 201.##? something like that. So you might find you are a little under or a little over and have to adjust slightly

but otherwise, its still the equivalent amount. The only change really is now that instead of generators topping out at 200% they now can top out at 250%. Other than that they act exactl the same

[neon wraith]

Might do all the math tonight and figure out what I want to do.

Maybe I’ll do a new set up with all silos together plus and uranium

[neon wraith]

well I think I fixed my Math. Max Uranium is 50.4 p/m and then plutonium would be 22.4 p/m

[upbeat tide]

This is correct. And uranium can support 252 reactors and plut can do 224

I built mine with 252 100% nuclear reactors...pain!

[neon wraith]

I wanted to do them at 250% but then turns into an odd number

[upbeat tide]

Not really it cuts it in half. But as of current its very easy to get unstable due to the 600 a min water bugs and general mk2 pipe issues

[neon wraith]

would be 89.6 reactors @ 250%

for plut

Yea I may just end up doing Single's

or 100%

[upbeat tide]

Yea my 22.4 plut is just sunk atm

[neon wraith]

so 252 and 224

[neon wraith]

nice

[prime orchid]

no the calculations from U6 would've been correct because the extra speed isn't possible due to pipe limitations

250% would require 600.000029853 water per minute

[neon wraith]

250% was set to 600, and 100% was set to 100 in U6

they changed 100 to 240 to match 250% I thought

[prime orchid]

in U7

[upbeat tide]

Yes thats true but my system is set for 300 a min per pipe so shrugs

[prime orchid]

lol

what's the fun in reducing nuclear plant size in half? go big

[prime orchid]

wait are those all pipes? wtf is going on in that picture

also how did you build through that arch? can you clip through it?

[neon wraith]

like under it?

[prime orchid]

what's the deal with all the pipes, why aren't they just going straight up to each plant from underneath?

[neon wraith]

got to Double that if i do 100%

OH jesus

i see what peipes now, i thought that was water under them

[prime orchid]

what in the world

[neon wraith]

he likes to lay pipe

[prime orchid]

i've never seen such a massive amount of pipes

[neon wraith]

how I have it under my reactors

but now that im cutting them to 200% ill remove one

May put a buffer in there as well

[prime orchid]

does that fit inside the footprint of the plants above? mine do. also those junction connections freak me out

[neon wraith]

yea

[prime orchid]

they aren't fighting each other?

[neon wraith]

My Reactors are on a 7x7

No they don't

the Pump that makes it goes up forces all liquid that way

so the 5 pumps just push 600 p/m into the pipes

to fill them. But some of them don't do 600 correctly and I can only get 98-99% out of those reactors

[wind spade]

buffers are usually pointless

[neon wraith]

im going to make them all 200% and remove one

[prime orchid]

with the problems pipes have i get so paranoid about setting things up to try to avoid anything bad

[neon wraith]

I find they help when their is a hick up, and the water wheels spin down/up

I almost never have any issues with pipes

it's the mk.5 belts that make me rage

[prime orchid]

me neither until i started doing manifolds for 15 refineries in a single row

i had to adjust

now they seem to be good

[neon wraith]

ok now with only 4, I can set them up nicely I threw in a buffer just because it goes nicely in the center

I just wish I could blueprint that better

they fit perfectly into the 7x7 area now

I could possibly do a nice 6x6 area if I used half foundation in center

[prime orchid]

this how i do it now.. undecided on buffering each one. haven't tested enough

gravity seems to help a lot in avoiding the issues

[neon wraith]

can you put the X pipe onto a Floor pipe hole??

[prime orchid]

hm?

[neon wraith]

no i just tested

[prime orchid]

oh no

[neon wraith]

would have been amazing

[prime orchid]

i used to use floor holes but for minimalistic purposes i'm just clipping through floor

[neon wraith]

This is the 2nd floor. My distrubution floor. It's between the Water floor, and Reactors above

[prime orchid]

wow

so spacious

i cram everything

[neon wraith]

this will be for 126 Reactors above. they are in a 9x14 array

[prime orchid]

i put 36 in a straight line

[neon wraith]

I want to use 100% of the uranium

[median heath]

Am I the only one who does his extractors 1:1 with reactors?

[neon wraith]

explain

[prime orchid]

you overclock your extractors?

[neon wraith]

you mean 2:1 for 100% and 4:1 @ 200%

ohhh you OC them

that's a thought....

[median heath]

U6: OC to 250%, 300 water for 300 water.
U7: OC to 200%, 240 water for 240 water.

Simplifies piping considerably.

[prime orchid]

i'd rather underclock

[neon wraith]

yea... I'm liking that idea

[median heath]

Shards are infinite and their function is saving space, so.. yes.

[neon wraith]

I could cut down on a lot of space

cut the reactors down to a 5x5

[prime orchid]

their function also exponentially uses more power which is limited and the whole point of the reactors in the first place. space is pretty limitless

[median heath]

If you want the reactor at 200% it's the same 2:1 space you used to be using, with half as many reactors.

[median heath]

Power... limited...
We're talking NUCLEAR here, right?

[neon wraith]

200% is still 126 reactors

[prime orchid]

i don't mind using shards in reactors since it doesn't reduce efficiency but extractors do

[median heath]

Power in the range of 630 GW to 1.19 TW
And you're considering power to be limited?

[prime orchid]

well i'm not doing a max power build i'm doing a max TPR build with enough nuclear on the side to support it hopefully

[neon wraith]

yea even then still stay with 4 water wheels

[neon wraith]

I could go through that

[median heath]

If you are automating Project Parts I do not know how to have this discussion anymore...

[prime orchid]

lol it's the most complicated part in the game with the most sink value per item. that's just what i wanna do

[median heath]

Which is fair, you do you.

[prime orchid]

i want to make 100/min

can my computer handle it? probably not! xD

[neon wraith]

i want to use 100% resources on the map

[median heath]

My brain just gets stuck and short-circuits contemplating "why would you ever?"
But if it makes you happy, do not in any way take my opinion as shitting on your choices, it's not the intent.

[prime orchid]

will we get a more complicated part before i ever finish the build? probably! xD

[neon wraith]

ok looking it over ill stick with my 7x7 per reactor and 4 water wheels. Reactor's at 200% for 126 Uranium Silos

[median heath]

If quantums get added my suspicion is that superosc will be a component used solely for quantums. 🤷‍♂️
So 2 parts of more complicated nature.

[neon wraith]

I'm betting on this as well

[prime orchid]

choo choo

[median heath]

Which would mean +1 to the "things to not store" list.

[prime orchid]

what's not to store?

[neon wraith]

I set all my factories up to Store 2 containers before shipping items out. Rest gets overflow to the sync

[upbeat tide]

Im a bit late but

1. Im a macsist
2. This build is on the west coast, ran into spacing issues
3. Im insane

[neon wraith]

This is what I'm stick working on. Want to make a single foundation eleveator system

[median heath]

Currently?
Screws have no reason for infinitely replenished storage as their sole use outside of making other items is the Shop. So having a personal storage chest of them is fine, but you don't need a line of them running.

Heat Sinks is number 2 as it has no use outside of making other items.

[neon wraith]

stuck*

[median heath]

If SuperOsc (as I suspect) is used solely in making Quantums, same category as Heat Sink and therefore no reason to store.

[neon wraith]

I wish they would do their Hamster pipes like Oxygen not included.

[prime orchid]

oh i didn't even notice you're already at the border on the left i thought you had a ton more room

but still underneath you should be able to fit all of the extractors and pipes leading straight up into reactors without piping them all up from the side

[prime orchid]

why have i not done this

[neon wraith]

i have them alll over

helps going up and down bigger factories

just hurts some coming down lol

[median heath]

I do this, but I use only 1 tube.

[upbeat tide]

The three farthest rows would have not worked tho. But yea its a issue of own making

[neon wraith]

i do this so you don't get sucked up/down on accident

[prime orchid]

i got sick of trying to go up and down i eventually remembered jump pads were a thing so i put some of those around, but hypertubes make so much more sense

[median heath]

FICSIT reminds all pioneers that workplace accidents are the fault of the pioneer, not the company. 😉

[upbeat tide]

@prime orchid bit of a cross sectional look old image

To the right is maybe 30m of usable water room left

[neon wraith]

you can kinda see my 3 floors with this

[silent hull]

anyone wanna play? im bored

[neon wraith]

also my Floors have that spacer in between to run power

[wind spade]

#looking-for-group-old

[silent hull]

sorry im quie new here

[neon wraith]

enjoy the 100 hours of the game you'll play in the next few weeks

[silent hull]

lol

[neon wraith]

ok my first Row of reactors at 200% are now all running 100%

[silent hull]

why cant i chat in join group

[cinder silo]

Quite the reverse of what I did with mine.

[neon wraith]

check #rules may need to accept something

[neon wraith]

ahh you put the reactors on the middle floor

[silent hull]

did

[neon wraith]

I just love how clean this looks

[prime orchid]

staggered?

[cinder silo]

Yeah, they are built right over the water extractors., and waste is taken out via lifts to the attic mounted beltway, fuel is supplied from the same place via a huge load balancer.

[neon wraith]

no they just are in rows

[neon wraith]

yea my middle floor is the load balancer

[silent hull]

checcked rules still cant chat

[wind spade]

read pins in that channel

[prime orchid]

you're missing a reactors between all those other reactors xD

i think the fov made it look like they were angled

[neon wraith]

you have to fill out the BOT info at the top

[neon wraith]

I still have so many water wheels to place

[silent hull]

bruh

[silent hull]

do you want to play tho?

[wind spade]

still wrong channel 😛

[neon wraith]

No, im in a 600 hour map solo

[silent hull]

sad

[prime orchid]

daphonic is really lame consider yourself lucky he said no :P

[cinder silo]

I placed all the water extractors early, saved me so much finagling later on as the place gets built up.

[median heath]

I remember when my playtime was triple-digits 😦

[wind spade]

I don't

[neon wraith]

Yea, I tried to make a Decent blueprint but it's just not working out and I want to cry

[cinder silo]

Yeah that's rough.

[neon wraith]

let me try again with the new update

[prime orchid]

because of the bugs or the size

[neon wraith]

I'm still trying to get my Road/Rail system working with blue prints

[tropic hawk]

I just had a thought

What if you put the reactors under the map, then pipe the water and fuel down to them?

[prime orchid]

max rail segment length: 100m
blueprint dimension: 32m

||literally unplayable||

[neon wraith]

then you wouldn't see the pretty blue glow

I want a 5x5

there needs to be a Center

4x4 kills my inner child

[tropic hawk]

wait, they glow blue now?

[tropic hawk]

true

[prime orchid]

there already is a center

[neon wraith]

look at the front of them, they redid them in U5? i think

[tropic hawk]

he means center foundation

[neon wraith]

a center foundation

not between two foundations

[prime orchid]

why

[tropic hawk]

hey, game dev's finally broke the mould and realized what Cherenkov Radiation is!

[prime orchid]

mold*?

[tropic hawk]

There is this neat things called #design-and-architecture. its a lot easier to build things worthy of that if it has a center

[tropic hawk]

its the same thing, except my spelling isn't a fungus.

[prime orchid]

but it already does have a center lol

[neon wraith]

CENTER FOUNDATION jesus

[tropic hawk]

center foundation

also, im mildly surprised no one is asking what the heck Cherenkov Radiation is

[prime orchid]

isn't it obvious?

[snow dove]

the blue light from nuclear reactors

[neon wraith]

It's the blue electro magnetic radiation the reactor gives off under water when it starts up I belive

big youtube video on it

[tropic hawk]

i have been surrounded by people for so long that thinks radiation is green, its refreshing to finally have people that understand it is blue

now time to wait for them to make uranium waste gray...

[neon wraith]

I think it depends on its Medium

[prime orchid]

actually it is, apparently it's just an american vs british spelling

[neon wraith]

Uranium Glass glows green, and prob why Radiation has been associated with green for so long

[tropic hawk]

the association was because of comics using green for gamma radiation and radioactive waste, which got stereotyped

[snow dove]

and the green barrels of goo people think is nuclear waste

[neon wraith]

Isn't Uranium glass from like 1800's? Comics early 1900?

[prime orchid]

actual picture of real life uranium waste

[neon wraith]

My road blueprint - The Pillars

still can't put the pillars on 😦

[tropic hawk]

uranium glass took off in the mid 1900s from uranium salt that was industrial waste from Radium mining

[oblique notch]

put a foundation thats equal level with where you want the pillar to go

[tropic hawk]

again, from comics/cartoons

[oblique notch]

that makes it far easier to snap the pillar part in place, then remove the foundatio

[neon wraith]

I've tried that trick too but didn't work

[snow dove]

just media in general

[neon wraith]

1830s
Production. Uranium was first used to color glass in the 1830s and it has continued to be used for this purpose with the exception of a fifteen year (or so) period beginning in World War II.

[oblique notch]

how so do you mean?

i am patching right now, but i can show you what i do in a sec

[neon wraith]

coool

[neon wraith]

What comics showcased it that you speak off?

Damn still CANT put water wheels on Blueprints

[snow dove]

water wheels?

[neon wraith]

Water extractor

[snow dove]

oh

[oblique notch]

you probably wont ever be able to

[neon wraith]

you could the very first U7 patch

but then not since 😦

[oblique notch]

will this work? I have no idea never tried to upload a video before...

[noble current]

is it recommended to turn those normal splitters into smart splitters?

[oblique notch]

god no.

thats basically a manifold, you'll be fine

[neon wraith]

No... smart spliters are for Sorting and Overflow