off-topic-tech

[dire igloo]

Mostly for immersion

[midnight osprey]

It’s the only way I know

Then again, watching a 1080p feed looks bigger on some monitors as it takes up the whole screen.

[tough owl]

oh the joy I have

[midnight osprey]

Need faster internet lol

[wanton orchid]

sounds like your pi selected the wrong band

usually 2.4 is more "shitty" but also have more range

depending on your ap quality

[twin dew]

Not my test, Tomshardware, so possible.

That they fucked up like that.

[twin dew]

Wow, the Pi 1 booted from the "mangled" memory card I created by converting the Ext4 partition to BTRFS with one-partition mirroring for everything, and moved / /boot, /home, /var, /var/tmp and /var/log to their own subvolumes on it.

With XXHash64 checksums, module for which isn't loaded by default either into the initramfs.

For the conversion, I used USB card reader in the Pi 4.
To do stuff on the Pi 1:s card.

[summer scroll]

"supplementalwotsits"??

also what you do mean tracking down license

[midnight osprey]

do all monitors have a visa mount these days?

[edgy hazel]

Mine has american express

[tough owl]

personally use mastercard

[midnight osprey]

lol

vesa? lol

[edgy hazel]

and yes most monitors have vesa

[glass panther]

well the implementation had no license on it so I had to figure it out from a different source so I could ethically share it 😛

[glass panther]

mSupplementalToPowerRatio

[glass panther]

I used to have a heavy duty vesa mount on my secondary monitor, then I moved house and I could not be bothered to reattach it to the desk

I've used those twin arm vesa mounts at previous roles, hate them.

[minor pawn]

Bruh my laptop black screened and i had to manually shut it down and now it wont power on anymore

[glass panther]

unplug all the things then try turning it on again

[summer scroll]

so for coal with no overclock that gives me ((60 * (75 * 1.00)) * 10) / 1000 = 45, so that is correct

[sage pier]

almost all monitors have either 75mm or 150mm vesa mounting which is standard for every vesa mount

[summer scroll]

checking nuclear - ((60 * (2500 * 1.00)) * 1.6) / 1000 = 240, also correct

[sage pier]

to have both options

[summer scroll]

thank you

[sage pier]

for the actual monitor mount arm

usually the monitor doesn't have both options

[edgy hazel]

hey Reika, while I understand that SignpostMarv is allowed to disregard rules due to his blue name, I'd really appreciate it if you could move this sort of discussion either into the #math-and-meta channel or into the modding discord (xkVJ73E - for your convenience). People usually come into the offtopic channels to have a break of satisfactory talk. I mean this with no offence to you and thank you very much for your consideration ❤️

btw what is happening with one health provider after another getting hit https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/healthequity-data-breach-exposes-protected-health-information/

[stray badger]

yippie

[edgy hazel]

this is like the 5th one this month and we have the 6th

[glass panther]

thanks goes to @still blade for having the non-licensed implementation and pointing me to the wiki to reverse-engineer an ethically shareable implementation

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHxQC95syc0

tl:dw
Zotac left the front door, back door, roof hatch, and cellar door open to their entire RMA department

and then some

[stray badger]

wonderful

[languid gulch]

"improperly configured settings" is a hell of a way to say "all the department's docs, including receipts from customers & vendors, were google searchable"

[summer scroll]

did you see the previous discussion about that, and how I mentioned every other place complains and says that the discussion does not fit that channel

maybe this server should create a "satisfactory non-gameplay" channel or something

for things about SF but not about the gameplay itself (which is what #satisfactory is apparently supposed to be)

[edgy hazel]

I did. Maybe take it into DMs then

[dire igloo]

you did a hell of a lot of ingame maths tbh, but apparently it ain't #math-and-meta

because it's programming math not automation math

[summer scroll]

yes

and since it is not gameplay it is not for #satisfactory

and since it is still about SF it is not for #off-topic-tech or #off-topic-general

and since it is not about mods it is not for that server

[glass panther]

not disregarding rules due to privileges, interpreting them differently.

[edgy hazel]

<@&387163995947270144> can we get a ruling here? The satis talk is getting annoying

[glass panther]

observes more messages of people complaining than anything related to the technical discussion of parsing a file that happens to be satisfactory-related

[minor pawn]

Guys please take this to #off-topic-general /jk

[pure karma]

honestly yea take modding stuff to off topic or maybe get marv to add a modding channel

[glass panther]

not modding-related, wouldn't be appropriate

[pure karma]

but this is just math and meta stuff

[glass panther]

A channel for sharing and discussing factory builds, material ratios, so on and so forth.
nope

[midnight osprey]

I have a bit of an odd layout for my monitors, 2 in the centre, and one vertical to the side

[summer scroll]

there does not seem to be a fitting channel

hence why I suggested creating one

[edgy hazel]

Talk about nerd stuff here like science and programming and hardware stuffs. Not Satisfactory stuffs, there are dedicated channels for that.

[pure karma]

this isent a math channel is the argument here

[glass panther]

have got one center, one vertical to the left, one horizontal to the right

[summer scroll]

rather than basically trapping people in a perpetual loop of "can you take this elsewhere?"

[glass panther]

would like a #tooling channel

[midnight osprey]

cool, thinking about a 4th 😛

[glass panther]

we're talking about programming.

[midnight osprey]

wouldn't mind putting that on a 30 degree angle between my keyboard and lower central monitor

[glass panther]

is confused on topology of arrangement of screens there

I can has doodle?

[pure karma]

but its the programed math of the game so its off topic then

but its not tech related

[glass panther]

... yes it is.

programming

[pure karma]

i guess 1 line of "code" is equal to programming

[glass panther]

because dumping a wall of typescript would be rude

(also not everyone interested in this coincidentally satisfactory-related topic is using typescript for the job)

or json schema, even

[edgy hazel]

it's just 2 people talking about json parsing of satisfactory and some satisfactory specific calculations. What about this qualifies as "Not Satisfactory"?

[summer scroll]

noone said it was not SF

the point is that the SF channels all also complain that the discusssion is not appropriate for that channel

thus forcing me to continuously be told to go elsewhere

[edgy hazel]

and this channel is complaining too

[summer scroll]

no matter where I go

[glass panther]

waits for haigen to finish typing

[minor pawn]

Doesn't work

[elder goblet]

This is a Satisfactory discord server. The reason for these off topic channels is to allow a small space for people who might want to post something unrelated to the game for discussion. We aren't going to punish anyone who mentions anything game related here but we do have dedicated Satisfactory related channels for most things and would much prefer people post there instead. Based on what I saw the discussion is mostly #math-and-meta related. The channel descriptions haven't been updated in a fairly long while, so I'll probably chat with the team on amending it. In the meantime let's keep the discussions in the right spaces and not argue about it 🙂

[glass panther]

we don't have tooling-related channels

#math-and-meta current description renders it unsuitable

[midnight osprey]

lol. Like this but much bigger

• tablet

[summer scroll]

I care less about the description and more the fact that people - granted, perhaps based on said description - are policing what can be said there, and in so doing saying that I should not be talking about this json there

[glass panther]

👀 that seems way too distracting

[midnight osprey]

the keyboard?

I touch type so only see it when I want to, lol

[edgy hazel]

I currently see these off-topic spaces as channels for people who want to have a break of satisfactory related talk, while still being able to stay in touch with the community. Would be great if it could stay like that 🙏

[glass panther]

I mean I suppose the benefit of Haigen making a ruling is next time someone says to gtfo of [insert channel here], one can say "Haigen said so" 🤷‍♂️

[elder goblet]

I understand, hence why I said we will be looking at amending channel descriptions. For the meantime just use it anyway and if anyone gives you grief just ping me.

[minor pawn]

I guess my laptop is dead

[glass panther]

cc @mortal pike re: previous discussions and people complaining

[glass panther]

do you smell any burning or ozone?

[minor pawn]

Nooe air is normal and no smoke

[glass panther]

is it a dell?

[minor pawn]

Wait how does ozone smell like?

[elder goblet]

That's the idea, but at the end of the day this is a Satisfactory discord server, so like I said I'm not going to start punishing people for mentioning the game here, especially if they weren't sure where to post something since there wasn't a dedicated channel for it (or suitable fit based on descriptions)

[glass panther]

every been around something that arcs electricity?

[minor pawn]

Nope and its an asus

[pure karma]

a so another shesucks laptop bites the dust

[minor pawn]

Its 4-5 years old btw

[pure karma]

seems like asus laptops like most generally either end in overheating or battery problems

[minor pawn]

Imma try again tomorrow rn imma go to bed

[glass panther]

check if there's any known issues with that particular model where the charging circuit on the battery goes kaput.

at my previous dayjob, we had laptops with a known issue where the charging circuit would randomly go kaput and you'd only notice if you paid attention to the battery charge level while it was plugged into a dock (because if you had it plugged into a 45w dock instead of the 65w mains, it would slowly drain the battery)

[minor pawn]

Its a rog strix g512

[pure karma]

that dosent sound like an issue that just sounds like a charger thats slower than the power consumption of the laptop perhaps?

[minor pawn]

Idk if thay would help

[midnight osprey]

I once had a Rog, gave it away

[edgy hazel]

charging light works yes/no?

[glass panther]

the issue was when the charging circuit would fall over, so it wasn't charging up when the 45w supply would've covered the power needs

[minor pawn]

Nope

[edgy hazel]

tried another charger?

[glass panther]

@minor pawn tl:dr; check if the laptop has a "reset charging circuit" tutorial/kb article.

also some laptops magically work if you remove the battery and just power it from mains.

[minor pawn]

I don't have another charger that fits

[glass panther]

@summer scroll re: possibility of new channel, one supposes the main argument against it would be that anthor's got their own discord for SCIM so having a channel that would serve a purpose for discussing general tooling development would end up becoming a tooling support channel

[edgy hazel]

back of the laptop seems to have a usb-c slot. Have you tried charging through that?

[minor pawn]

The chraging isnt the real issue rn the issue is that it wont turn on even tho it should have 80% battery

[tropic fern]

Algum br pra jogar???

[edgy hazel]

Try a CMOS reset

[minor pawn]

Hiw do i do that?

[edgy hazel]

Idk google

[minor pawn]

Ok

If that wont work imma take it to a repair store and hope they don't say its dead forever

[glass panther]

typically there's a paperclip-sized recessing button or a battery to remove

but do check the kb articles for your laptop in case there's a recessed button that does something else

[minor pawn]

Ok

And where do i find the kb articles?

Cause tbh i have never heard of those

[edgy hazel]

Documentation of the laptop.

[glass panther]

manufacturer's website, generally

[edgy hazel]

Best found via a google search lol

[minor pawn]

Anyways good night

[edgy hazel]

N8

[sterile plinth]

I use XMP idk if that counts as OC

regardless, i get crashes for the most random of reasons and theyre annoying

they are like, deep low level crashes, my shit gets corrupted often

i was running my minecraft server and suddenyl i get some critical structure mode or Kmode errir or whatever (both of them are bsods)

and some chunks got corrupted or some shit was rollbacked

not cool, i believe the only thing that can cause so many different various and unique errors on a new windows install is ram

[jagged snow]

Or cpu, or drive, or even something like psu

[languid gulch]

what's really stupid is that using XMP is something that Intel counts as overclocking as far as voiding CPU warranty

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChIs72whgZI9w6d6FhwGGHA/community?lb=UgkxtGYmGT4dkcTKnxT3hmD46haxaL5LALEy

silly zotac

[dire igloo]

#off-topic-tech message

[tough owl]

ah

[jagged snow]

I missed it before, so thanks for the repost

Didn't realize the follow up video to the community post was out

[tough owl]

www.ebay.com/itm/234813129991 anyone need 30 cases?

[worldly ivy]

W h y

[mortal pike]

so tool dev discussion now goes in math and meta, or will there be a new channel?

cc @elder goblet

btw I'm entirely open to the modding discord being suitable for this but seeing as they're not mods I'm not sure if it's any more applicable

[glass panther]

modding discord equivalents are still more for mods than they are tooling

[mortal pike]

yeah that's what I figure

[glass panther]

#off-topic-tech message

[mortal pike]

guess it's more a case of is it more accurate to find a space here given it's directly related to the game file or is it more accurate to do it in the modding discord because that's about game adjacent development

[glass panther]

re: @elder goblet's ruling, gonna say here for "how do I do this in [language x]" (cos that's not Docs.json-related), #math-and-meta for such stuff as "how do I avoid infinite loop when calculating infinite series of recycled plastic from recycled rubber"

[mortal pike]

issue with that is that in the same conversation me and you had we swapped between talking about js/python as a whole, general algorithms and application to docs.json about 5 times

so going off of it as written by haigen right now we either flood this channel with docs.json talk (which I get why they don't want it) or we flood math and meta occaisionally with mildly unrelated but applicable given context code snippets that they probably don't want

[gilded helm]

If random people weren't chiming in, maybe a thread?

[stray badger]

good idea, please do that

[mortal pike]

Could work but then inevitably someone would ask or start talking about it without knowing, whereas a dedicated channel maybe draw in people who want to casually learn or didn’t know it was a little thing going on

Like I thought “hey I kinda want to make a tool, this could be really painful” and then I google to see if anyone else has the data and it turns out the devs included a file all along and then I talk about it here a bit and it turns out that even more tools and processing around it exist, but if there was a channel I would’ve just checked the channel and all of that could be pinned with the occasional discussion about how to use it

[gilded helm]

My admittedly spotty recollection is talking about tool development in math and meta previously. But I'm pretty sure ever since I bought the game, there's discussion around having a channel for non-mod tool development.

[mortal pike]

With 1.0 releasing it would make a lot of sense to add

Seeing as there’s a good chance there’s a lot more people who will be joining and at least some of them will be curious about the tools

And I imagine some of the tool makers at least will be polishing things up

[gilded helm]

Up to now, I think the issue has been avoided because greeny and anthor just have their own servers.

Obviously that's not necessarily an ideal solution to other developers

[mortal pike]

Yeah

[wanton orchid]

you would want a satisfactory tools server

like the mod one

there are a lot of thing to discuss and work on

like fiscit calculator backend things

[twin dew]

XMP is OC from CPU memory controllers perspective.
And it is type of OC that the Memtest doesn't detect the problems in all cases.

But at same time, unstable XMP shouldn't cause non-BSOD reboots if the system doesn't have ECC RAM.
So if you are getting those, more probably CPU problem.

Unstable RAM can cause data corruption and BSODs, but pure reboots without BSOD need some type of detected uncorrectable HW error in most cases. Power problems being the one exception AFAIK.

[wooden vessel]

tbh everyone on the modding discord will know what you're talking about and trying to do, and likely have tools to help with it, at least in certain channel(s)

[fervent sparrow]

I'm kinda dumb with fans and stuff, but I'm trying to play with my CPU fan to see if I can lower my temperature, is there an easy way to do that through Windows? Like, I have the Fan Control software, but the fans have no name, except for the GPU ones (which shows 2 instead of 3 LOL)

I have 1 CPU fan and 3 in the front

Edit:I was able to change the speed on the front and back case fans, but can't find nothing on the CPU fan

[wanton orchid]

if it's standard fan configuration you sould be able to also change the cpu fan speed,
but you have to open your computer or see through it to check
close every apps so your pc idle for 5-10min, then you can almost stop every fans you have in control, except the one you are testing that you put at max
then you note which one is which, and the control limits

once you've done that you can start tuning

on your graphic card, one of the fan is controlled directly on-board, for safety reasons

though it depends on the manufacturer, but that is what I commonly seen discussed online

[fervent sparrow]

That's the weird part. All the fans recognized, none of them were the CPU one. The fan is spinning, connected to the correct port, but it's just no being reached out to

[twin dew]

Probably the MB firmware fan control overriding the port?
And would need to be configured or that control disabled in the BIOS.

[fervent sparrow]

Yeah, I might try that, I'm currently struggling to format my usb drive to get the BIOS update on it. I installed Linux in the past, but now I can't wipe it because it's written protected hahaha

[twin dew]

No, not protected.
Just the normal Windows GUI tool not allowing to delete partitions it doesn't recognize the format for.

[fervent sparrow]

Yeah, I used EaseUS to wipe it, but the Windows one to allocate

[twin dew]

The command line diskpart for example can do it.

Part of Windows

[languid gulch]

i feel like the most reliable way of messing with fans is always in the bios

[twin dew]

The Pi 1 is so SLOW!

Pain to configure 😆

[edgy hazel]

it is lmao

the comparison between apt updates between my pi 2b and my pi 5 is insane

I'm already done with upgrade on the 5 until the 2 is done with update

[twin dew]

Fortunately that one will not be connected to Internet once finished.

[edgy hazel]

what you're gonna use the 1 for?

[twin dew]

To give my main computer IP via DHCP on management VLAN.
As the Windows functionality for "Alternative IP" doesn't work if the specific interface has never gotten IP via DHCP after last reboot.

Tried to use old ADSL router, but that fucker couldn't be configured to understand that it didn't have default route to give.

[edgy hazel]

Ah nice. Yeah my 2 is/was on DNS duty

[twin dew]

First LAN on main computer is connected to LAN.
Second is set to be able to connected direct to WAN/Internet or any of the VLANs via cable panel.

In theory that "Alternative IP" would have been easy solution, but with few minute wait after plugging.
But that doesn't work in that specific case and Windows instead configures that "no network config" IP range instead.

*ARGH*

[visual tree]

Almost finished with my satellite setup. Just need to replace an old cable and tidy up "spaghetti" behind the dish, replace coax connectors inside the house and cover the conduit entrance at the wall properly

There was a small opening in the conduit and wasps made a mud nest which made pulling new cables much harder....

[twin dew]

But how the heck do I make SystemD/UDev make adaptername**:0** "aliases" for same network adapter...
To configure multiple networks that can be enabled and disabled separately...

Everywhere the stuff still either talks about ifconfig, or NetworkManager.

Yes, IP allows for multiple IPs on one adapter, but I want one or the other without touching config files.

[glass panther]

me: keeps regularly breaking mice
also me: buys mice in bulk to save money
also also me: immediately stops regularly breaking mice

[twin dew]

Need some simple way to switch specific network adapter / .link between two .network files...

And those cannot be up at same time, as one will use DHCP-client to get IP, and another will be static IP that will have DHCP server active.

But seems I will just do it manually.
As the DHCP config is only needed until configuration is done, and later only if I want to update software, which needs physical network change too.

[pure karma]

i dont break them but the mouse button just stops working because it starts being so worn out it dosent actualy hit the trigger on the board anymore

[glass panther]

yeah for me it's that shit + getting hyperfocussed on cleaning the gunk / stray beard hairs out of the mouse and accidentally breaking the mouse button flaps

[twin dew]

Probably could do it with virtual network adapters etc, but not worth the effort.

[sterile plinth]

As I said it is constant BSODs and corruption. There is kmode exception, critical structure error, those are the most common

[twin dew]

You said reboots, not BSODs.

Crashes it seems.

[sterile plinth]

#off-topic-tech message

Umm I said constant crashes and corruptions, not reboots

[twin dew]

So try without XMP then first?

[sterile plinth]

Well that's not really a solution, my PC will be slower

[twin dew]

But at that point the OS files can be so corrupted that that is causing BSODs.

TRY.
If that helps, then we can look for what works.

[sterile plinth]

If the ram is problematic I may as well buy new one, I just need to be sure it's actually the issue

[twin dew]

Point was to try to find the simple cause.
Is it the RAM or is it not the RAM.

[sterile plinth]

Wouldn't memtest86 with xmp on be better first?

Since it also checks if the problem is the ram or not the ram

[twin dew]

Depends.

But you can do that single pass memtest run first.

And then if you got errors, another single pass with XMP disabled and RAM on all-auto.

[sterile plinth]

How long does a single pass take on average? So I know

I have 16gb 3600mhz ram on xmp

[twin dew]

Expect about 60 minutes.
Can be faster.
And if couple of slow specialist tests would be disabled the time would drop by third or so.

By default the free version tries to run 4 passes.

[sterile plinth]

Alright, I'll try this night.

For context I get about one crash a day, but sometimes for example when I'm running my Minecraft server I got 3 crashes in an hour

It's not really linked to the intensity of the game, I have played with really taxing shaders or have played other games and It doesn't really crash because of that

Funnily enough I would say it conveniently crashes whenever I am NOT playing a game, but rather when I'm watching YouTube or doing something unimportant

The few times it does crash during games however half my configs got corrupted

[dire igloo]

so you'd rather have a PC that crashes than one that's slower?
Also, this is just a troubleshooting step to figure out if XMP is the problem. If it isn't, you can enable it again

[sterile plinth]

I would rather buy new ram haha

Anyway I'll try memtest with xmp on then with xmp off and see what happens

[dire igloo]

that's the point tho: if the RAM is the issue, you know your options (new RAM or no XMP)

and if it isn't the issue you'll know that you have to look elsewhere

btw, just to make sure, you're on AM4, right?

[sterile plinth]

B550 and Ryzen 5600 so I think yeah

[dire igloo]

yes, that's AM4

[soft bloom]

i finally tried making those myself.
quite a weird thing. didn't manage to let my perfectionism leave that residue, so i had to add powder to every.single.cointainer of this i ever packed.
its nice seeing crystals.
works.
isn't toxic (but having glasses and gloves is advised when working with materials).
still haven't figured out a good way to pack this except for bottles. thing plastic bags with double zips seem to gentle. and i haven't found silicon bags that don't cost like gold (joke but really...)
recommend

[sterile plinth]

What language does that?? It should instantly error if you try to add up two objects (in JavaScript atleast arrays are considered objects)

[dire igloo]

I love the idea of combining those with radiative cooling

[wanton orchid]

not if the object defines being added with the other object's type
then you have conversion going on

it's why there is a lengthy topic of knowing the difference between implicit and explicit / strong and weak conversions
that are defined in C++ for instance
JS on the other hand is an implicit conversion freak and don't have strong/explicit conversion concepts

So it is doing a LOT of chained/combined conversion misleading shit

on C++ that is actually hacked with template sub instanciation

[sterile plinth]

In JavaScript converts everything to everything for no reason

This is why rust is my favorite language, you can create a struct (like a class) and define anything for it

You can define addition subtraction bitwise operations

Comparison, shallow cloning deep cloning

And the most useful of all undoubtedly, you can define equality between classes/objects

[wanton orchid]

(especially with dynamic instanciation of a static base template class templated method as derived implicit inherited method resolution)

(yes that exist in C++)

[minor pawn]

What would be a good replacement for a rog strix g512 with an intel i5 and a rtx 2050 (or 2060)

[edgy hazel]

MacBook

[sterile plinth]

Comparing two JavaScript objects is probably the most painful thing ever

[minor pawn]

-_-

[sterile plinth]

This is because objects can server two purposes in JavaScript when there should be different types.

Objects can either be used as Maps or as Structs, which server completely different purposes

[edgy hazel]

this dude 🤣

[wanton orchid]

Also welcome to JS asynchronous functions
event subscribing hell
with no guaranteed atomicity in any way other than consistently accessing basic variables

[edgy hazel]

just building a 3d printed armoury for his baby

[minor pawn]

I am looking at a laptop with a 4050 and in the description it says "for heavier games we recommend a 3070 or rx 6700"

[twin dew]

Down to 18 packages marked as manually installed and 202 packages total. 59 of which are "do not get rid of these" by official Debian documentation (Required and Important, althought I did remove some Important packages).

[rocky yarrow]

I assume you may have already been pointed that way, but it's Javascript, via the video mentioned here: #off-topic-tech message

[stray badger]

Yeah cause the 4050 sucks

[pure karma]

duh its a 50 series card lmao

its the 1650 of RTX

a joke

[minor pawn]

Ow

[pure karma]

if you want a dedicated gpu when it comes to nvidia the only half decent deals which aren't that good because laptops are overpriced like crazy is anything 4060/4060ti

[minor pawn]

Also i have a question, are the hp victus's good gaming laptops?

[minor pawn]

What about 4070?

[pure karma]

idk if you can find one its prob like 2K+

[pure karma]

idk but avoid acer if you plan on using it for more than a year

like it depends what your needs are... if you want cheap you wont have good performance or a durable laptop

[minor pawn]

Then what laptop do you recommend?

[pure karma]

honestly none of them

because dells from like 2018 are the only laptops i have used where i was like yea this is built well but obviously they dont have performance for shit

it depends what you value more

if you want good performance most of them will offer that but good luck getting durability and a quality standard whit that performance for a decent price

[edgy hazel]

Yeah gaming Laptops are usually pretty trash

[twin dew]

Until you get to 2500+ ones.

[edgy hazel]

Yeah but even those ain't that good for the money you spend

[pure karma]

even the 5K are shit lmao

at like the 2K+ range you may aswell use a mini ITX desktop in a backpack instead or something whit a battery pack

its fine but they are generally coroded like crazy especially in cold environments

[edgy hazel]

And if you have a separated parents situation, a SFF PC would be a good move

And then just get a display for each household

[dire igloo]

name a better solution for gaming without being tied to your home setup

[pure karma]

mint from the outside never means mint form the inside

[dire igloo]

as in: anywhere. Not just switching between a distinct amount of spaces

[pure karma]

literally any touchscreen tablet whit suport for a keyboard

[dire igloo]

shit like travel for work

[dire igloo]

1. Tablet OS usually don't support modern games
2. horrible performance

[minor pawn]

Am trying to find a laptop cause a desktop is currently not going to work for me

[dire igloo]

good luck installing steam on an iPad or any Android tablet

[pure karma]

tablets can run windows nowadays so no?

and you can say the same for a laptop when it comes to performance

[dire igloo]

check if transporting an SFF PC is more viable

[pure karma]

block up all the fans on a laptop and see how well it performs lol

[dire igloo]

name a single tablet with a gaming capable GPU

[pure karma]

well all of them but yea all of them

all of them can game

[dire igloo]

what a stupid take
"go artificially put some restraints on this thing, you'll see that it'll perform the same"

[minor pawn]

Its mostly for school and i dont have enough money for both a decent laptop and a pc

[dire igloo]

link one that you can reasonably play Satisfactory on, early to mid game
It's not super demanding like Cyberpunk and it's a perfectly realistic thing to want to play on longer travels

[dire igloo]

yeah, no way you can set up an SFF rig in school.

What's your budget for the laptop then?

[dire igloo]

this was what I was referring to

[minor pawn]

1300 max

[dire igloo]

you can get far better than 4050 then

4060 minimum, maybe 4070 is possible

[pure karma]

your lookign at like 2100 for a 4070

idk what curency that is but no discounts like 2100cad ish for 4070 laptops is what they seem to be going for on average

[dire igloo]

they start at 1149€, stop talking bullshit
https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=11295_03+05+17+-+RTX+4070

geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=11295_03+05+17+-+RTX+4070

fckn whitelist

[dire igloo]

this is Belgium

[minor pawn]

Aint de germany?

[dire igloo]

not Canada. if someone states their budget, don't assume CAD - it's significantly lower value than USD, EUR and GBP.
Only AUD is the other commonly used currency in the tech world that's similar poor value

[minor pawn]

Yeah i should have specified

[dire igloo]

yes, but the prices should be similar.
it's definitely A LOT more realistic than Canadian pricing

[pure karma]

well 1500USD then to about 2000 is the range i have

[dire igloo]

at least to me as a German your username is very obviously Dutch or Belgian.
Knowing that you were in here before, I just searched your messages for mentions of "NL", "Belgium", "netherlands" and similar - didn't even have to check that last one

[dire igloo]

you personally for whatever you're buying for yourself?
or you as an advisor to check for whatever may apply to them?

[edgy hazel]

Yeah but that's just something which is very hard to do. A lot of performance in a small package and not allowed to draw much power and also designed and built to last. There are just too many contradictions.

[dire igloo]

well duh

you don't buy a laptop for best performance or best value

[edgy hazel]

So I'd rather just put myself into a position where I don't need that.

[dire igloo]

using the device in school essentially eliminates any form of PC

[edgy hazel]

A gaming laptop in class?

[dire igloo]

I've gamed a lot during uni classes

even if it's not for gaming, good luck getting a good laptop and a good PC for 1300€ total

[edgy hazel]

uni maybe, but normal class?

[dire igloo]

instead of a good laptop at 1300€

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/runway-jet-aircraft-carrier-gif-5406031

[dire igloo]

gotta keep yourself entertained with a boring teacher

[pure karma]

yea i game during normal class

remote play comes in clutch as long as you have a high capacity battery

[dire igloo]

I know people who were allowed to use a private laptop in class and promptly decided to game on it

[dire igloo]

and good wifi

[pure karma]

not really its limtied to 15mbps which i guess is average

[dire igloo]

per device or total network capacity?

[pure karma]

15 per device

[dire igloo]

perfectly usable

wouldn't want to install ARK over it tho

[edgy hazel]

isn't that loud af? I remember my macbook going jet engine once and there were a lot of eyes

[dire igloo]

"yeah, sorry, this thing is broken"

[edgy hazel]

"Then turn it off"

[pure karma]

thats why i remote to my home pc so my laptop is just idling the whole time

cant be loud if the only thing hot is the battery

[dire igloo]

tell me you're from Germany without telling me you're from Germany

[edgy hazel]

Lmao

[pure karma]

"ahh well uh the power button dosent work ehh"

[spice agate]

Hello guys i need help plsssssssssss

[dire igloo]

"I am taking notes with this, I have all the class things open on it"
(alt+tab/win+tab)
"here, see?"

[dire igloo]

dontasktoask.com

[edgy hazel]

dontasktoask.com

[pure karma]

alt tab is the life

[dire igloo]

I won't help anyone unless they specifically tell me what they need help with first

[spice agate]

I don't understand should i ask or not

[pure karma]

the fact that i only started using it barely like 2 years ago disapoints me

[dire igloo]

open the link

[edgy hazel]

you'd understand if you go to the link

[wanton orchid]

playing conversation game instead of trying to explain your issue shows a lot

[wanton orchid]

I mean it would be
dontasktoasktoask.com at this point

[edgy hazel]

Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

[dire igloo]

you are supposed to tell us your issue.
you are expecting us to help you without knowing anything about your issue.
So how can we know if we might even be able to solve the issue?

[pure karma]

that website is gold 😂

[spice agate]

Sorry, My problem is related to game crashing on startup. okay, so I basically know what the issue is it's actually my related to my graphics cards which crashes at while under certain amount of load I've haven't played satisfactory for a while (was running perfectly fine in same condition before) but after updating my game no longer seems to run but crashes my entire pc within couple seconds after starting the game, kinda stuck in a very weird and bad situation, I was hoping if you guys have anything to help me out with with this.

[dire igloo]

#1038092680493801533

this is the wrong channel to ask about Satisfactory

as is evident by the channel description and it being in the Off Topic category

[wanton orchid]

I mean satisfactory should not be able to crash their pc
they are talking about the pc not satisfactory
although I would also advocate for checking satisfactory state first in related channels

[spice agate]

It worked fine before the update, but after the recent update it's not longer running.

even after completely reinstalling the game.

[pure karma]

so then its a question for https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533

[wanton orchid]

what recent update

[pure karma]

the one from December ig 🤷‍♂️

[spice agate]

Idk tbh, last i've played satisfactory was like 2-3 months ago.

[pure karma]

there hasent been a update since dec 12 2023

[wanton orchid]

wasn't there some patches pushed after update 8 access branch ?

[pure karma]

yea in december and november

but nothing in 2024

[stiff anvil]

its todo with the unreal engine i had the same problme until this update came out and it fucked it until i got a new PC do it fixed it because its newer

[wanton orchid]

yes

[stiff anvil]

i think

[wanton orchid]

Last Updates after update 8 didn't change engine

maybe update your graphic drivers idk

I know Nvidia been fucking around with 430-530 version

[twin dew]

For many Nvidia users, you needed to DDU away your GPU drivers and reinstall.
Because Nvidia optimizations didn't update right from UE4 to UE5 and those crashed the game or caused other issues.

[wanton orchid]

I freaking hate Nvidia

they fucked the gpu environment with filthy Microsoft

[spice agate]

If that's the case, I might not be able to play for a long time.

[stiff anvil]

fairs

[twin dew]

Basically the driver doesn't use the game provided shaders but used Nvidia "optimized" ones, and without the full clearing, it kept using the replacement for U7 with UE4, and not the newer ones for U8 with UE5.
Causing crashes etc.

For some people.

[spice agate]

I have AMD

[twin dew]

But make #1038092680493801533 thread with HW details and crashlog as text.

[wanton orchid]

give psu ratings and class along your config

if you have pre-built then just give model if that matters

[spice agate]

[CrashReportClient]
bHideLogFilesOption=false
bIsAllowedToCloseWithoutSending=true
CrashConfigPurgeDays=2
bImplicitSend=True

crashreport :/

[spice agate]

I've reinstalled the game there is no config

[twin dew]

That wasn't one.
Those are the settings for the crash reporter, the old crash report is different file.
And it isn't the log either.
But make the thread.

[wanton orchid]

I mean your pc component config

[twin dew]

And reinstall doesn't remove old config files.
Or old mods etc.
Uninstall only removes the "known files".

[wanton orchid]

if you have a unreal crash log after crash then your pc didn't really fully crashed

[spice agate]

did a complete uninstall from thirdparty app

[twin dew]

Neither Steam or Epic remove the install directory or any extra files there, or the game specific AppData directory with configs and saves.

[wanton orchid]

it's config
i.e it's not the game itself but how it has been setup
reinstalling will not override that unless you explicity scrap it out

[twin dew]

And possibly failed update from UE4 to UE5 can leave behind files too that cause issues.
Or if you installed mods long ago and then later uninstalled the mod manager, the mods are still there even after game reinstall.

Because neither SMM uninstall or game uninstall touches them.

[wanton orchid]

Anyway if your pc didn't really fully crash then it's satisfactory focus
so out of here

other people that can help you will not see it here

I'm wanting to try to build a uPC/Server so freaking hard

I'm genuinely feeling depressed about it

if you wonder why it's kinda simple : it would help me stabilize my situation
but building the thing in itself have no much guarantees
..

[spice agate]

Its freezes first and the black screen pops up after a min

[wanton orchid]

and need undetermined amount of work

[twin dew]

Lets continue in the right place, in the thread you made: https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1259549825330839655

[wanton orchid]

try alt-tab / virtual desktop switching

[minor pawn]

Yeah cause its less expensive to buy 1 thing for both class and free time

[dire igloo]

.

[minor pawn]

I may have interpreted that wrong lol

[dire igloo]

if you did, so did I

I just sent that period because what you said is essentially what I had said

[twin dew]

The DHCP Pi 1 should be almost ready.
Just need to write firewall rules for it.

[jagged snow]

My system is really starting to drive me nuts

Can't seem to find a pattern to it but it sometimes just resets bios on boot

Mem goes back to jdec and rebar gets disabled

[twin dew]

What MB?

Gigabyte with dual-BIOS?

[jagged snow]

Nope, asrock b450

[twin dew]

Weird that it doesn't tell what went wrong in the POST to cause it to go into fail-safe mode.

But most likely failed memory training.

[lone coral]

[jagged snow]

Maybe, no clue

Just running xmp @ 3200

[sand saddle]

I started looking into merino wool shit to make my mandatory service life less miserable.
Shit costs... and I have no clue which of the cheaper offerings are good quality.
I don't like shopping... I should just wing it off amazon reviews lmao

[languid gulch]

LOL Paul did Steve dirty today 🤣

[soft bloom]

btw he also has vid about making such coating on fabric

[stray badger]

for socks or clothing in general?

i got my wool stuff from REI, not exactly cheap but i was NOT cold

i think it was Smartwool

[tough owl]

rei my beloved

[dire igloo]

I know, wasn't successful sadly.
There's another one on making fabric water repellent

[frosty tundra]

any chance there is info on modding for the game? is it open source or is there a thread about how we could start ?

[twin dew]

Which game? This is Off-Topic, so it cannot be Satisfactory, so you have to specify.

[low scaffold]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @twin dew

[sand saddle]

Socks, boxers and shirt

Yeah I’m getting smartwool socks

[glass panther]

shorn from sheep that shave themselves?

[sand saddle]

Lol

Just a brand name

[sand saddle]

My mom is watching a show on the 15'' laptop in the living room which has a 65'' TV and actual speakers

[dire igloo]

Put it on the tv just out of spite

[vast tundra]

Is this a good build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PYQYsh I am getting the white gpu but pcpp dosnt have it

[stray badger]

Get the phantom spirit air cooler, a 7500f does not need water cooling

[vast tundra]

But I want it for ascetics

[stray badger]

Its your money then

[jagged snow]

Are you sure the aesthetics are that much better? You can have some pretty darn good looking air cooled systems

And often aios don't look that good with the poorly routed soft tube

[dire igloo]

It's like $15 more over PS120SE

[jagged snow]

For a lot less reliability

[dire igloo]

That's perfectly fine

[dire igloo]

It's like 7y lifespan vs 15+

[jagged snow]

Hopefully 7y

[dire igloo]

Overpriced SSD
Cheap case with shitty Molex fans
Could consider Arc A770 for GPU
Super overkill PSU

[dire igloo]

Picking an AIO for aesthetic reasons is perfectly viable
He also picked one that's not a $200 Kraken Elite or smth bullshitty like that

[languid gulch]

also wait another week for prime day on the 16th

[dire igloo]

Reworked the list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3hKLGP

[edgy hazel]

@dire igloo worth a ping, you going to FrOSCon? froscon.org

[dire igloo]

I have never even heard of that until this day

[edgy hazel]

I'll take that as a no lmao

[dire igloo]

Honestly, sounds dope as shit

[edgy hazel]

They got a frog as logo

Gonna be my first time tho so I can't tell you anything about it

[vast tundra]

Exactly

[vast tundra]

I am fine with that I am mostly build a build that has a good upgrade path

[dire igloo]

Check out my rework of your list then

[vast tundra]

I did it’s good

[dire igloo]

Better case and saved some money on a couple things

Could actually consider a GPU upgrade

[vast tundra]

Ya what would you upgrade to I am going to change the ram and Ssd to the one u suggested

[dire igloo]

I put four different RAM kits, with and without RGB.
All hynix die tho, so should you want to do manual OC, you can

It's tough to recommend a GPU upgrade while sticking to the white theme.
7700xt steel Legend is the most reasonable one I found
Tho RX 6800 is super nice value at $350 - black tho

[vast tundra]

Ya I am going to look into it

[dire igloo]

Most important change is the case btw. Same price but a lot better quality.

PSU also noteworthy, saved $15 without sacrificing quality (and 750W is still super overkill)

[vast tundra]

Ya

I might switch to the 6800

[dire igloo]

Neat

Spray paint is always an option

[visual tree]

They better not ruin this: https://www.theverge.com/24086056/apple-tv-plus-neuromancer-streaming-series-william-gibson

[charred pewter]

not heard of that book series ... sounds like it has a cult following, so yeah, if they screw it up, they gonna be backlash!

[visual tree]

Considering how bad movie adaptations of books or videogames end, hope this won't be the case

*and tv series

Worst adaptation I've watched so far is Resident Evil adaptation by Netflix, that was embarrassing....

[charred pewter]

was that the movie(s)? that was ... i mean ... it was good in its own, but they shoulda just come up with a whole new name for it all

[dire igloo]

Thoughts on good omens?

[edgy hazel]

Tumblr goes crazy for it

[visual tree]

It is a netflix series

The reviews are so bad they decided to cancel the series

Haven't heard of good omens though, hope it's not worse lol

After I watched Matrix Resurrections in the cinema, this was my reaction

[charred pewter]

guess i missed that one ... (and thankfully so it seems)

[dire igloo]

They had the author work with the crew to ensure it's up to the original - also top notch cast

[visual tree]

Good to hear, might watch it later after I am finished with the 3 Body Problem on Netflix 😄

I'd rate it 7/10 so far

[cobalt ivy]

Hello, is there anyone playing Dead Island 2?

https://tenor.com/view/lol-omg-lol-laugh-gif-12956385894842429484

[dire igloo]

My sister had a naga from 2014 until she sold her rig, she loved it.

idk about modern iterations tho

Can always use it wired

[stray badger]

arc? really? idk if arc is good for people who want stuff to just work without technical workarounds

[tough owl]

Arc seems to be working in its current state no?

[stray badger]

arent there still driver issues with older games?

basilisk ultimate never forced, only suggested once. i use it on linux now with 0 issues

i like it so much that when the battery does quit (3 years so far with no problems) ima just replace the battery

[jagged snow]

Mostly performance issues on stuff older than dx11

Which is fine because they perform stupidly well anywayd

[stray badger]

i guess, tho i still play some older games

so it would probably not work well for me

[jagged snow]

Yeah but imo it's not a big deal to lose 1/4 of your perf in a game getting 400fps anyways

[stray badger]

it is to me cause thats only 100fps

[jagged snow]

If you're cpu limited it doesn't come into play

[jagged snow]

What are you playing that's that old and 100fps is too low

[stray badger]

Any old FPS

I paid for a 180hz monitor, im damn well gonna use it

[dire igloo]

Those issues refer to performance, not instability. It'll work, but you won't get as many fps. newer titles it performs quite well
plus XeSS and Quicksync beat AMD's counterpart and sit closer to Nvidia's offerings - which at this budget are just atrocious value

[jagged snow]

Fsr 3 was a big leap but didn't entirely close the gap

It's also wildly implementation dependant

[stray badger]

XeSS works on AMD tho

but also since the perf issues are on old games that dont support any of them, it doesnt really help

[vast tundra]

I am going to build my first pc soon any tips

[sage pier]

get familiar with psu cables on the psu side

if you have a fully modular psu

very tedious my first time

[vast tundra]

ok

[stray badger]

plug cables into PSU before putting PSU in the case

and get a case with good clearance for the CPU power connector

[mental oriole]

[languid gulch]

nah, just go for it

[languid gulch]

the future of SSD cooling

[maiden coyote]

Generator should be getting picked up Wednesday.. $400 worth of wire and $200 worth of conduit later I've got the feeder installed.

No more extension cord feeding the shed either... yay.. still need to staple it to the wall, and put a ground in. Ended up going with 4/3 tray cable rather than use-2. TC cable can be exposed, direct burial, or run through conduit. And its legal to run unprotected through walls... fucking sucks to strip it.. not that use is much better

[edgy hazel]

You need the new self adjusting drill

[midnight osprey]

Hey guys I currently charge my iPhone using an 85w usb c port from the back of my monitor. Thinking about getting the Apple Watch Ultra 2. I don’t want to go back to slow charging.

Could something like this carry the 85w of power to fast charge both devices at once if I needed to?

amzn.eu/d/0hShvqjP

[dire igloo]

Question is: does XeSS perform better on AMD than FSR does?

[dire igloo]

Prepare by watching tutorials.
Download the mainboard manual from the product page, get yourself familiar with the layout.
Have your tools ready.

And most importantly: take your time and stay calm.
You can always ask for help should you run into any issues

[twin dew]

Now running the temperature tests for the current paste.
To replace to Thermalright Heilos (probably PTM7950)

Now I need to repair the reset switch case front panel PCB connector...

[soft bloom]

throw it into oven, let it melt, turn into plasma - declare quantum pathing and call it a day

[soft bloom]

сверла інтертув?

this reminds me of these tiny shorts that do "respect 😎 🆒 "

[bold tapir]

guys should i buy 200hz 2k monitor?
it costs $140
btw its 21:9

[jagged snow]

Nice, hope that works out for you

[twin dew]

"2k"? What is the actual resolution?

[bold tapir]

2560x1080

[twin dew]

Then how is that "2k"?

[bold tapir]

idk how to call it
its more then full hd and less then 4k

[twin dew]

2K if used in same way as 4K would mean Full-HD.

[bold tapir]

then how to call it

full hd ultra wide?

[twin dew]

By the resolution? And not try to create new marketing term, which both Full-HD and 4K are.

4K as name was just marketing that wanted bigger increase than 1080p to 2160p, so they instead switched to rounded horizontal resolution (3840 to 4k)

[bold tapir]

ah now i know ty

[twin dew]

As in "4K" is 3840x2160, and p means progressive (every line refreshed every refresh), old TV was interlaced (i), where the actual frame rate was half the refresh rate, and every refresh every second line was changed.

[bold tapir]

oh thats cool i thought that p means pixel

[bold tapir]

btw should i buy this one?
Titan Army P23H2M

[twin dew]

But the actual question depends somewhat on what you currently have, and what the exact model (given while writing) is.

I cannot check right now, busy repasting main computer CPU.

[bold tapir]

currently i have
full hd
60 hz
32"
TN

[bold tapir]

ok anyway ty

[languid gulch]

i usually call 2560x1080 1080UW

[bold tapir]

nice

[twin dew]

Yeah, old norm was the vertical resolution, progressive or interlaced, and then if not the "then current" default, the aspect ratio.

And as i has basically gone away except in special cases, that doesn't really matter anyway that you put the p somewhere.

[dire igloo]

Isn't 4K called 4K because it's roughly 4000 pixels wide?
2K would be Full HD then

[languid gulch]

it's dumb all around

[twin dew]

Yes, and that change from vertical to horizontal was just marketing gimmick to make the difference seem bigger.

from "1K" of 1920x1080 marketed as 1080p, to "4K" of 3840x2160 (in peoples heads).

When the 1080p would be 2K with the new marketing language.

[dire igloo]

idk why my brain thought you said 2K was QHD (because it's roughly 2x the resolution of FHD)

I used to believe for ages that 4K was called 4K because it has four times as many pixels as 1080p

So QHD would actually fit right in between

[twin dew]

@bold tapir And I wasn't repasting because the old paste needed replacing, but replacing with hopefully PTM7950 phase change material (bought as Thermalright Heilos).

[bold tapir]

what pc do you have

[twin dew]

Which one? I currently have 4 running and 2 off ?D
Ok, the main is self-build Ryzen 7800X3D with 2x32GB of Hynix M-die ECC RAM and Radeon 6600 for the moment as GPU.

RAM is currently running at stock 4800MT/s with JEDEC, need to re-set to manual 6000MT/s with very tight timings at some point.

[fluid wave]

What do you use it for

Cos that’s a very strong cpu to pair with a 6600

[twin dew]

Works fine for Satisfactory XD.
Just didn't have money to replace the GPU properly yet.

[fluid wave]

Haha ur build seems to just be missing a strong gpu

[twin dew]

Yes? By design?

GPUs are easy to replace as separate thing.
Rest of the system, not so much.

[wanton orchid]

phase change thermal paste wtf

[fluid wave]

Fair enough

[bold tapir]

good

[wanton orchid]

there is no point

I once thought of shrinking thermal paste

but pc thermal paste what

[twin dew]

No pump-out in GPU or laptop usage.
Very good thermals as it gets very thin bondline after few heating cycles.

Lenovo for example uses it by default in their higher end gaming laptops.

[wanton orchid]

what have that to do with phase change

[twin dew]

And the stuff has been so hard to get by, as it is made by Honeywell for industrial and space applications and they only sell B2B.

[twin dew]

Turns from paste to liquid at about 40-45C.

[wanton orchid]

then it would run out when liquid

what the point then

[twin dew]

Depends on the viscoscity etc.

[wanton orchid]

almost any oil paste is going to be more liquid when hot

that very sounds like snake oil marketing to me

[twin dew]

Cannot talk about the exact mechanics, but often give about 3C better temps on CPUs to normal pastes IIRC.
And usually brings GPU hotspots etc. way down.

Point is, the stuff actually performs in tests, and doesn't get worse over years in the normally problematic applications like laptops and GPUs.

For the real stuff, no idea if the Heilos is the real stuff or not.

And the Phase Change Material is the term Honeywell uses. And they also make normal pastes that don't have that term.

And I forgot to copy what I wrote first...

Honeywell brochure for the different thermal materials they provide via third party:
www.moddiy.com/reports/honeywell/ThermalInterfaceMaterials-Electronics-Brochure.pdf
Page 4 for PCMs, page 7 for normal pastes.

[twin dew]

Not spreadable at all at room temperature.
Was just thin sheet that teared up if handled wrong.

Where as normal pastes are liquid carrier and then for example aluminium powder or like as the heat carrier.

Something liquid as carrier for the actual heat transfer powder.

[midnight osprey]

Hey guys. This usb extender. Could it limit the amount of power being passed through it?

[wanton orchid]

yes and no
depends what type

[midnight osprey]

Not concerned about data. Just power.

[wanton orchid]

if hub/switch, yes

[midnight osprey]

I wanna split usb c to fast charge both iPhone and Apple Watch.

[twin dew]

Any such one uses power itself, and spreads what gets left over to the ports.
If not with separate power source.

And almost certainly doesn't do USB-C PD.

[wanton orchid]

but it have its own power rating, and should itself handle pd independently for high power

[midnight osprey]

So a waste of money?

[twin dew]

You would need powered USB-hub for fast charging multiple devices.

[wanton orchid]

I mean if you buy ice cream to fix your car, can you say that ice cream is a waste of money ?

[midnight osprey]

Good to know.

[twin dew]

Which specifically says it can do fast-charge.

[midnight osprey]

I’m guessing those are super expensive.

[twin dew]

Not necessarely that much more expensive.

[midnight osprey]

All fast chargers I have bought have been super slow compared to the port on the back of my monitor.

[wanton orchid]

these that can do fast charge, will usually have one or two specific fast charge ports

[wanton orchid]

what monitor ?

sounds like proprieteray shit fucking

[twin dew]

Might not have supported whatever protocol Apple uses to negotiate the fast charge.

[midnight osprey]

is there a wayt to see my monitor from PC settings?

found it

[twin dew]

And the devices then defaulted to 5V 500mA or 5V 900mA.
Officially USB 2 is 100mA without negotiation, 500mA with negotiation, and USB 3 ups that to 900mA negotiated.
And everything over that isn't USB PD uses one of the multiple fast charge "standards" that are mostly manufacturer specific.

[midnight osprey]

samsungs troll to Apple .. advertised as being able to charge their macbook, lol

[twin dew]

Or chipmaker specific like Qualcomm one etc.

[wanton orchid]

iirc usb 3 is 250mA without negotiation ?

[midnight osprey]

I don't like this new wave of high end products not coming with an appropriate charger

[wanton orchid]

why would you want 15 charger

[midnight osprey]

iPhone 13 pro max and watch ultra 2

[twin dew]

It would have a point, if the combined price of the charger and device would be same as before when they were bundled.
Better for the environment even now.

[midnight osprey]

I don't believe they reduced prices

I believe they took that on out of convenience, lol

[wanton orchid]

its not

[twin dew]

USB-C with PD for both of those to fast charge.

PD being the USB standard higher power charge standard, which is only available for USB-C.

[midnight osprey]

what is PD please?

[twin dew]

USB Power Delivery.

[wanton orchid]

like you are doing, lot of consumer will spam services asking "how do I charge my samsung phone if I dont have a samsung charger"
because they will have to learn the truth :

• they could have use any all along, because that's the point of having USB standard connection in the first place

[midnight osprey]

how about this?

[twin dew]

Probably has that PD on only one port.

[wanton orchid]

^ check it

[midnight osprey]

ack, lol

[wanton orchid]

high pd capabilities will come at cost

having multiple pd ports is not the general usecase

[twin dew]

But anyways, PD specced charge port can do 1+ of following: 5V, 9V, 15V, 20V at 3A, 20V, 28V, 36V, 48V at 5A.
Usually "up to" one of the ratings with support for all the ones below, but not always.

With the necessary negotiation with the charged device on which to use.

[midnight osprey]

my monitor measures in watts?

I need to skill up with regards to power ratings, lol

[wanton orchid]

pd 3.0+ chargers have also dynamic ranges, which will be negotiated by charged devices

[twin dew]

15W for 5V, 27W for 9V, 45W for 15V, 60W or 100W for 20V etc.

As the max.

[midnight osprey]

cool

[twin dew]

But of course you can have 20V and lower current for same wattage as lower rating max is.

For example.

[wanton orchid]

if your charger do 20V 3A
it will do 9V 1.5A easy for instance

[twin dew]

If it has the logic to output 9V, some of the early ones didn't.

There are USB-C PD chargers out there that can only do 5V and 20V, but not 9V or 15V for example.
Minority, but they have been made.

Not sure if that is to spec or not.

[wanton orchid]

it's not in latest standard though ?

because that was confusing

[twin dew]

Yup.

[wanton orchid]

anyway pd 3.0 onward is safe in that regard
fully programmable pmic

[twin dew]

And to the general problem.
Even finding USB-C PD power bricks with multiple such outputs has been almost impossible.
Usually it is just either one USB-C PD, or one of those and then more basic USB-A ports...

[midnight osprey]

I can't find high powered chargers for lightning but only USB C

would this be OK?

[twin dew]

When I tried to find one that had at least two even 5V 3A 15W USB-C PD ports...

[wanton orchid]

why would you want high power charge over lighting

please check that what you want even exist in the first place

[midnight osprey]

oh my gosh, I am so silly, lol

[wanton orchid]

or is even supported by devices

[twin dew]

Don't those devices have UCB-C ports?

[dire igloo]

Is there any lightning device that accepts high power charging?
Most I can remember is 15W on iPhones

[midnight osprey]

the charging cable for the watch is simply a usb c, lol

[twin dew]

Yeah, the lightning-port Apple devices didn't use USB PD.

[midnight osprey]

iphoines max charging rate appears to be 27w

watches max 20w

[twin dew]

So both can do 9V, but will charge with 5V too, just limited to 15W at that.

[wanton orchid]

most phone and similar will support 15W 5V 3A

[twin dew]

For the older PD chargers.

[midnight osprey]

yeah, if I am spending so much on a watch that needs a charge every few days I want it as fast as possible, like when I in the shower, lol

[wanton orchid]

why just use one pd then

you can connect whatever you want else when the watch is charged

btw fun fact

[midnight osprey]

my initial hope was to simply use that port on the back of my monitor, but I wouldn't want to be switching it out all the time

[wanton orchid]

do you know what is the absolute ceiling of standard M.2 ports supported power through ?

[twin dew]

USB-C extension cord?

[midnight osprey]

good call

clearly my mind is fried today, lol

how does cable length affect power throughput?

[wanton orchid]

2m is fine usually, if you have a fully featured cable

cable rating are indicated on the cable description

[twin dew]

Depends on the cable quality basically.
How thick conductors it uses for the power pins.

[wanton orchid]

you can easily find pd 100W ones for instance

[midnight osprey]

cool

I will search now

[wanton orchid]

answer : 1675W

[midnight osprey]

wow, cheap

[twin dew]

Officially 0.5A per pin for the connector.

[wanton orchid]

50V 0.5A per pin

though I may have calculate that wrong, should devide by 2

837.5W

[twin dew]

And the voltage isn't 50V, 3.3V is the norm that is used.

[wanton orchid]

still

[midnight osprey]

so now I just need an adaptor for this end

[wanton orchid]

the norm for interface, not the M.2 rating

[midnight osprey]

that doesn't slow down power any lower than 20w

[wanton orchid]

interfaces can only provides ~10W max usually

[midnight osprey]

feck

double feck, lol

[wanton orchid]

what is happening ?

[twin dew]

Yes, if you used the connector for something different than the normal usage, of course you can then pump up the voltage.
But in actual usage form MB, then there will be nine 3.3V power pins on M-key slot.
Five for B-key.

[midnight osprey]

just my mind fucking with me today

the first cable I found was simpy a regular usb to usb

what I really needed was male to female

[wanton orchid]

I was talking about a fun fact, and specifically M.2 rating
I never talk about standard mb M/E- keys of course

[midnight osprey]

is this ok?

[wanton orchid]

its juste I was thinking about it as we were talking about power rating

[twin dew]

So theoretical 40.5W for normal M.2 M-key SSD slot.

[wanton orchid]

that's more than I thought

[wanton orchid]

probably

[twin dew]

Yeah, "Extension" so male to female by definition.

[midnight osprey]

you guys talked about quality of cable ... is this ok?
amazon.co.uk/Extension-Extender-Supports-Charging-Transfer/dp/B0D1KPD12G

[twin dew]

Cannot know.
With Amazon and no-name company you never know.

[midnight osprey]

good point!

reviews mean fuck all

[wanton orchid]

baldur do you have any recommendation for custom PCB low production amount suppliers ?
and/or personnal choice for PCB designer software ?

[twin dew]

And with Amazon and even name cable you cannot know if the supply is contaminated with fakes.

[wanton orchid]

I'm freaking new to this

[twin dew]

I have personally used EuroCircuits for the proto PCBs.

Eagle and Kicad are the two free options that are most commonly referred to AFAIK.

[wanton orchid]

thank you

bookmarking these

[twin dew]

Check the "Technical guidelines" documents at the Eurocircuits.

[wanton orchid]

I have a project I'm working on, and I'm heading toward maybe making my own RF antenna control circuit

[twin dew]

Mainly the PCB Design Guidelines section at least.

[wanton orchid]

and those are so small, I can't do it on basic proto boards

[twin dew]

Ah, seems I was out of date and Eagle is now part of Autodesk (or always was?) and costs now.

Has trial, but not sure how long.

Also Altium CircuitMaker now as free? option.
The full Altium is one of the top paid options it seems.

[glass panther]

anyone know of free storage services with javascript sdks for apis that actually work in the browser? (github auth doesn't want to work in the browser because CORS + the whole client secret thing)

[twin dew]

But anyways on the Heilos.
Possibly tiny bit better than the old paste at 100% fans, but not controlled enough to say more.
And the heat load is just too low on 7800X3D at full tilt.
But that it is at least the same is ok for now, I can use some of the second package for the chipset and 10G lan chips on the server MB.

Instead of using Carbonaut.

NH-U14S with single default fan, with offset mount.

CCD idle temps are down couple of degrees, IOD temps are down about 5C, when fans are back on Auto: Silent.
But might be that the case internal temp hasn't risen yet to same level.
Case input air is now little hotter than before, but MB temp sensor is cooler than in the pre-change idle measurement.

Ah, no, those 5C down are the MB provided VRM temps via SVI3.
So that matches the Motherboard being cooler for the moment.
So the temp difference at idle was about the case internal air being different temperature after the 100% fan time.

So somewhat as expected, no significant differences on good desktop CPU mount vs. normal good paste with "optimized" application thickness.
Optimized as in doing mounting tests with the specific combo and seeing the minimum amount of paste you can use before there being too little, spread evenly, resulting in thinner paste layer than the normal "extra will just be pushed out" method.

[edgy hazel]

You think I could do a repaste of my GPU without disconnecting it from my cooling loop

[twin dew]

With soft tubing, probably.
With hard tubing, almost certainly not.

[edgy hazel]

I'm soft af boi

Hard tubing is too much work for basic maintenance

[midnight osprey]

I want an AI bot

Clean my house for me.

[twin dew]

I would really rathes use a VI for that instead of an AI...

[midnight osprey]

VI?

[twin dew]

Virtual Intelligence, sub-sapient "AI".

Also non-general.

all the current "AI" are very shitty VIs.

Having actual AI to clean up after me without choice would lead to Skynet or like 😅

Or more like sub-sentient too, not just sub-sapient.

[midnight osprey]

🤣

I choose to not worry about the worse case scenario. lol

I think I shall just continue to be naive!

[edgy hazel]

Enough

GPU is sosig

[twin dew]

And why would I want a slave to do the cleaning if a program will do?

[midnight osprey]

Haha

The programming in my ADHD brain doesn’t do a good job of cleaning. Struggles to even get started!!!

Well, run

https://tenor.com/view/mmt-error-error-old-data-fatal-error-inscryption-gif-6023676896000678543

My ex wife did

She loooooved money

Of course!

Like playing call of duty at 3am. Haha

I only value the latter.

I once dated a woman that disliked that I wasn’t so driven financially.

I have more than I need. Why slave to get even more?!?!?

[dire igloo]

So she can leech off you

There's a pussy joke in here somewhere

Why bother with an entitled, chaotic menace that's constantly demanding attention and food when I can get all the same things but in a more compact formfactor?

Exactly, you get those benefits on top

At the cost of some furniture damage

[edgy hazel]

best achievement btw

[twin dew]

Then the actual usage for the Heilos.
Asrock Rack X570D4U-2L2T MBs chipset and 10G lan chip heatsink stock paste/gum replacement.
To allow it to run without those overheating with less airflow.

Also, just noticed that the Heilos packaging contains the exact PTM7900 series datasheet spec images on inside cover.

The PTM7900 Thermal Impedance (TI) vs. Pressure chart from first page of this one:
www.moddiy.com/reports/honeywell/PTM7900-ThermalManagement-Datasheet.pdf
And the PCM Performance chart from right side of the page 4 of this one:
www.moddiy.com/reports/honeywell/ThermalInterfaceMaterials-Electronics-Brochure.pdf

And that TI vs pressure might be wrong one, as the PTM7950 sheet has different one:
www.moddiy.com/reports/honeywell/PTM7950-TDS-EN 2022.12.7.pdf

[midnight osprey]

No thanks. lol

Lmfao

[midnight osprey]

I prefer dogs

If anything happened to mine, to have her personality in a robot dog would be cool!

Spy doggie

[dire igloo]

Heh, doggy bitch

[charred pewter]

cats rule

[twin dew]

Why don't I have money to buy 8x IronWolf Pro NT001:s?

For a NAS.

Need to set it up with just 2x 3TB WD Red CMR.

[winged valley]

Jellyfin mobile app wants to access my iphones accelerometer

Werid

[twin dew]

And I fell in the hole of trying to find out how to relay mDNS or other similar multicast between subnets on the router...

Without using Avahi.

And as Avahi is the most common option for mDNS in any form on Linux, it is pretty hard to find the other options.

Well, really only have to get Windows File Sharing to work without IPs between two subnets.
Need to find "right" solution for the name resolution for that, and not the depricated WINS.

[twin dew]

But seems that general multicast relay can be done with MACVLAN virtual network devices in a bridge with suitable firewall rules.
And that also should give me the thing I wanted with the Pi 1, two interfaces to same physical interface so I can have two easy network setups, one as default and another as manual enable.

Or with IPVLAN devices for the Pi at least.

[twin dew]

Basically on the Pi I need something to replace the depricated IP Aliasing (eth0, eth0:0, eth0:1 etc. for same physical interface).

Because I want two switchable network configs for one physical interface, without using Network Manager or like, just with SystemD NetworkD.

[midnight osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-shoved-pushed-gif-8616764

@inner shale #off-topic-media message

Quit tempting me!

If there is ever a bot that can clean up its mess…

I got overwhelmed in the past, and it chose my office as a litter tray.

[midnight osprey]

Does anyone have any experience with buying from Tech Market in the uk?

I’m tempted to spring for the Apple Watch Ultra 2

techmarket.co.uk/products/apple-watch-ultra-2-gps-cellular-titanium-49mm-pristine-condition-ref-68723?_pos=6&_sid=73daa3c58&_ss=r

They claim pristine condition.

[edgy hazel]

Bro is using us as a review platform

[tough owl]

Rotation possibly

[winged valley]

It doesn't need an explicit permission for that

Swift has global variables for phone orientation

At least I'm pretty sure it does

[jagged snow]

Yeah, IOS handles all the rotation stuff

[tough owl]

weird

They wanna see if you're phone moves while doing it I guess

[edgy hazel]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-target-wordpress-calendar-plugin-used-by-150-000-sites/
just stop using wordpress at this point

[jagged snow]

Firefox just got PiP and it's great

And coldplate pulled off the die on my gpu again

Hotspot back above 100

[tough owl]

Didn't it have have it for a while?

[jagged snow]

Did it?

There were addons but I think this is the first time it's been in the official build

No nvm, I just missed it

[languid gulch]

are there any prime day tech deal previews going on that are worth looking into?

[jagged snow]

Is it prime day today?

[midnight osprey]

A week away.

[languid gulch]

16/17th

[jagged snow]

Ah

[languid gulch]

but they like to tease stuff beforehand

[jagged snow]

The Verge usually does a roundup of prime day tech deals a few days beforehand

[languid gulch]

i'm allergic to the verge ever since the thing

[jagged snow]

Which thing?

[languid gulch]

their glorious pc building video

[jagged snow]

The weird article they did for that netflix xhow?

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah, that one too

[languid gulch]

looking at potentially building a modest pc for a family member and hoping for some good discounts

[pure karma]

14900KS is 50$ off if your that desperate for the deal sticker

not that i expect you to go for team blue

[languid gulch]

i did say "modest"

🤣

but also i have no problems going with intel if the performance and price is right

[pure karma]

i belive some of 12th gen is on sale too but other than that your kinda out of luck

[languid gulch]

relative has an ancient system on its last legs, so i was aiming for in the $600-1000 range

recent retiree still on windows 7 for some ungodly reason

[pure karma]

then yea your probably stuck whit amd

[languid gulch]

trying my best with a 5500/6600 combo to keep it cheap

oh and also since they're old they still want a cd drive

[pure karma]

😂

i havent seen one since like 2015 maybe

[languid gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QRzTKX

i can almost definitely do better, but i need help

[pure karma]

i aprove but then again probably no one else will agree

[languid gulch]

i have an external dvd drive i can just usb in when i need it

wants wireless, so there's that restriction, and also i've never felt comfortable recommending anything lower than a 6600 for a gpu, even for non-gamers

[pure karma]

yea i guess thats fair

[languid gulch]

and the focus G case has front fans included, which seems amazing for an airflow case at $60

[pseudo crest]

Is there any way to upgrade a laptop CPU? I haven’t found any, but I figured I’d ask here anyway.

[tough owl]

no

unless its a socketed pre 4th gen intel

[languid gulch]

or a framework laptop

[tough owl]

kinda?

its a new mobo and cpu not just cpu

[languid gulch]

true, tho with intel that's usually a given

best thing you can do for a laptop cpu is repaste once a year

and keep the fans clean

i'd love an ATX-ish standard for latops, with like 3 sizes: bludgeoning weapon, standard size, & slim

[tough owl]

clevo and tongfang need to come back swinging

[pseudo crest]

Dang. Thanks.

[vast tundra]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hRyBCd this any good

[stray badger]

16gb lol

Idk if i trust those super cheap ssds ngl

Case is probably fine but may be a pain to work in (symptom of being cheap)

Crucial ftw, 'merica baby!

Fractal north baybee

Micron chips fabbed in the U S of A

Also the north is fantastic

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/kilometers-can't-measure-freedom-freedom-usa-america-murica-gif-8776986503198367525

[stray badger]

11/10, beautiful, sooo nice to work with

[tough owl]

me over here with my xpg 2tb ssd with 4gb dram cache

[languid gulch]

calmest Florida resident

[stray badger]

Is that a good amount of cache? Idk

[tough owl]

no idea, I just wanted one without using nand as a cache

[stray badger]

Real

The flag gif

[languid gulch]

i don't live in florida

[stray badger]

Not true, they are a psyops

[languid gulch]

i live next to hell

[tough owl]

vegas broke all time record heat on sunday

[stray badger]

Arizona or Nevada?

[languid gulch]

exactly

AZ

[stray badger]

Came back to cali after PNW, wanted to cry

[languid gulch]

it's 7pm and 112

[tough owl]

www.xpg.com/us/xpg/583 this is the ssd I have

[languid gulch]

44C

[tough owl]

33 here 7% humidity

[languid gulch]

i'll take the heat with minimal humidity

no floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, tsunami, or blizzards

a shocking amount of life, just not stuff that can really tolerate living anywhere else

yea we got bark scorpions here

they do glow green or purple under UV light

it sucks to dig around here 🤣

our ground loves to destroy equipment

i'm extremely lucky, got 2 A/C units

so i can at least close doors and migrate to the other end of the house if one dies

eh, not really

when we do it's not humid enough to make it sticky

we do get haboobs tho

arabic got to name it first 😛

occasionally

my car said 124 yesterday on tarmac

51C

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXuc7SAyk2s

the best weather report ever

[pure karma]

the weather recently be like

[languid gulch]

i think steel BOILS at this temperature

he's a local legend for his humor & antics

[pure karma]

40C day followed by more rain than there is in the average river followed by a whole week of death

weather everywhere is fucked up these days honestly

[sharp oasis]

I got a job finally

[tough owl]

www.ebay.com/itm/186372019482 should I

[languid gulch]

"5 sold in the last 24hrs"

mining garbage would be my guess

[tough owl]

100%

I have no clue what id do with 10lbs of gpus

[languid gulch]

OLD mining garbage

[tough owl]

and the fact that none of them work

[languid gulch]

GTX680s, RX580s, yeesh

[tough owl]

www.ebay.com/itm/364594887930

at first I thought it was an entire tray but its just one

[pure karma]

yea thats all it is

[languid gulch]

also look at those empty PCBs

[pure karma]

anything being sold by weight instead of unit for tech is sketch

[languid gulch]

lol yea

"5 pounds of CPUs, $2000, i know what i got"

[pure karma]

the only case i would see something like that being usefull is maybe for repairs if you need some stuff from the boards to try and fix somethign else

[languid gulch]

or some minor miracle of a GPU being in there somewhere that's not worthless

[pure karma]

just found a 14900KS going for 50$ usd lmao

either its broken or thats straight up a scam

[languid gulch]

"2024 Corvette, $3500 obo"

[rocky yarrow]

@cobalt furnace Heh, indeed re: #off-topic-tech

My point is more just that in terms of driver performance and supportability, they've honestly really been rock solid

I agree that they should've opened their drivers years ago, but any reputation they've got for instability in Linux is 100% down to distros not handling them properly

[cobalt furnace]

I have

It was awful

I personal financial planner? Already got one.

Never got around to it