off-topic-tech

[pure karma]

yea they show up on the home page every once in a while

[gilded helm]

I once made a solid effort years ago (2019 or earlier) to train Youtube's algorithm but it was pointless. I couldn't get rid of the random suggestions.

It's especially glaring because it used to be so good before it started focusing on monetized content and hoping you get addicted to the irrelevant crap they try to show.

[pure karma]

it was good until recommendations started being for watch % over watch time

the weird thing is streams still use the old system

[glass panther]

youtube product manager: "people aren't reading this shit"
also youtube product manager: "imma make people read this shit"

[wooden vessel]

My “home page” is subscriptions. You can filter to just videos.

[cobalt pond]

man what more do i need on my laptop to run this game better? it has a 4060 but the game is taking up a lot of it still even in just the home screen

[pure karma]

lower the graphics or stop ussing a laptop really

also the game is generally mostly cpu limited

[cobalt pond]

my cpu was fine

[pure karma]

overall ussage and individual ussage are two difrent things

[cobalt pond]

ram fine too i have 32 gigs

[pure karma]

heres is an example

just because the overall is 15% ussage dosent mean all the cores are at 15%

[cobalt pond]

how do u see all that?

i usually look at task manager for my stuff

[pure karma]

ods are at laptop cpu clock speeds you will end up single core bottlenecked fairly hard

[cobalt pond]

well how do i fix that

because my laptop is a beast for other games

just this game is killing it

[pure karma]

well for that im ussing msi afterburner but really any monitoring software works

task manager over exagerates and dosent give actual numbers its essentially predicting stuff a lot of the time

[cobalt pond]

ah k

[pure karma]

i gets the job done but take it whit a grain of salt

[gilded helm]

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Laptops have combined CPU/GPU power limit of, say, 200W. If you've turned all the graphics up and your GPU is sucking up 160W, that leaves you with little CPU power available.

Games that demand a lot from both CPU and GPU tend to be way worse on laptops for this reason.

[pure karma]

yea disable stuff like lumen if you have it on and keeps render distance maybe low if you want to actually keep the rest high

[cobalt pond]

ah k

could i somewhat fix this by upgrading my cpu?

[pure karma]

my laptop was working whit 3W-15W

[pure karma]

cant upgrade a laptop CPU

well you can but like i dont think there is any scenario where it would be worth it

[cobalt pond]

ill have to check if it is socketed or not

[gilded helm]

Even if you could upgrade your CPU, it's an overall power management issue most likely. If your CPU is limited to 25W during gaming, you'd need to specifically upgrade to a CPU that has really good 25W performance.

[cobalt pond]

its probably not but oh well

[pure karma]

yea i dont think i have ever seen a socketed laptop cpu

[cobalt pond]

modern laptops dont really do it

[gilded helm]

A handful exist, but you need to specifically seek them out, anyone who has one would know.

[cobalt pond]

i have a gigabyte laptop... i doubt they do it but its worth it to check ig

[pure karma]

gigabyte stuff is generally solid for the price other than there GPU mounts there stuff is generally solid

but i doubt anyone is still making socketed cpu's for laptops

[gilded helm]

Even newer Eurocomm machines have dropped socketed CPUs I think?

[cobalt pond]

i should probably redo the thermal paste

[gilded helm]

There's probably a Gigabyte discord out there, or other user community. Check there for info. In Lenovo Discords we often don't advise repasting because stock is actually good enough that most people won't do better unless they're good at getting mounting prerssure and liquid metal application just right.

[cobalt pond]

alright will do

[stray badger]

PSUs too...

[charred pewter]

so... for the past few days when i go to 'shutdown' my pc... windows pops up this red exception dialog right before it shuts off ... goes to quick i cant tell what its saying or whats doing it (I suspect a recent windows update) .... how or is there somewhere that an exception error would be logged?

event viewer ... seems its something with explorer.exe throwing a popup about something not being able to be written, then it closes out quick

ok, apparently its something to do with a recent windows 11 update and having an xbox controller plugged in ... if i unplug the controller and reboot (error is thrown), a second and third reboot no errors so long as i keep the controller unplugged

found a post about it ... microsoft is aware and say "it wont harm anything, ignore it" ...

[wooden vessel]

the home screeen runs at full frame rate, once you're in-game you can lock it to 30 or 60

[wooden vessel]

record a video of it with an phone

use whatever slow mo it may provide

[cobalt pond]

hmm steam fps counter said it was only going to 80-70 in the homescreen

would that impact it that much?

[wooden vessel]

i don't know what impact you're observing. what i wrote means the screen runs at full frame rate. how complex is the world you're in and what frame rate / energy profile do you shoot for? a 4060 laptop chip isn't the best thing on the planet but it's not nothing, 80 fps homescreen and well above that when just landed in the world is what i'd expect. cap frame rate to 60 or 30 and your fans should slow down

in the amd world we routinely undervolt our GPU's to use less energy so that the gpu throttles less. same should be true for nvidia i think. 99% usage with a 1600 clock is super odd

i murdered the last GPU i redid the paste on, but if you run your machine hard you'll know if you should do it.

[pure karma]

the home screen uses the same rendering load as the games average for the graphic setings you have set where as most games use a idle work load

so 70-80 should be your framerate in a empty world esentially

its practically a free benchmark to get a idea of your performance built in

[cobalt pond]

i switched to vulkan and it used a lot less of my resources

im surprised this isnt default

[pure karma]

more resource efficient but its generally less stable in a lot of games

[cobalt pond]

its down from 80-99% all the way to 40%

like DAMN

[cobalt pond]

only other game ive see it used in was doom 2 lmao

with the gzdoom client ofc

[gilded helm]

You should also undervolt your GPU if you can. And even lower its power target. You might get better overall performance by lowering the power your GPU gets, to increase the available CPU power.

[wanton orchid]

what

[wanton orchid]

cpu power and dgpu power are not directly related

[jagged snow]

On a lot of laptops they do share a power budget

Maybe even on most

[pure karma]

i could defedently see a shared power amount being more likely especially in a scenario where a didicated gpu is involved

[wanton orchid]

cooling is directly related though

[sharp oasis]

I need some like not so legal advise.

So I agreed to a temporary work period of two days 10am till 6pm.
Assuming that she was going to pay me after the two days.
It ends up that she wants me to work more and won't pay me the pay that I agreed to. I have no clue what I can do about it rn.

She decided that I'm a full employee (against what I agreed) and will be paid payroll wise by end of fucking july

[wanton orchid]

the power budget you are talking about does not make them directly related
it just basically is dynamic power state management
it's not things like uBurst ceiling

[sharp oasis]

She owes me about $201cdn

[pure karma]

argue until she either gives up or figure out a legal way altho it wouldent really be worth it

when someone bullshits you bullshit them until they cant bullshit no more

[gilded helm]

I don't really have anything to add to how I already explained it. If a laptop has a 200W power limit and the GPU is sucking up 150W, it might be better to shift some of that to the CPU if you can.

[sharp oasis]

She's a snake and she's my grandmother so honestly I might see if I can like create a contract for next time.

This is what I agreed to

[pure karma]

well the grandmother segment is likely why

she likely wants to cheap out and by stretching the work time hopping she can get away whit paying you less than agreed because you just wont care at that point

[wanton orchid]

she is probably trying to scam you

don't get emotional
as she is actively trying to exploit that she is your grandmother for not respecting their agreement without much drawback

[sharp oasis]

Indeed

I might take this to small claims court.

[pure karma]

i feel like odds are likely it would be denied because "a text isn't proof of agreement" or something around thoes lines but it could be worth a shot if your that serious about it

[sharp oasis]

It's retail

So there are witnesses that I performed the work

So it's not just the text

And there's my logged hours

[pure karma]

true but if the wage agreement isn't good enough proof than yea you worked but for 0$

unless you signed an actual contract

[wanton orchid]

family pay roll for official work
that can't work legally what ?

[sharp oasis]

There is also this

So she agreed herself to pay me the base rate she pays

$15/hr

Plus travel charges

[wanton orchid]

"like a real person"
ahah so in your grandmother's head you are not a real person ?

[sharp oasis]

Cus I was driving in from 45km away for each shift

[sharp oasis]

Difference between student and min wage

I'm no longer student so I get paid "like a real person"

[wanton orchid]

yet a student is still a real person

[sharp oasis]

Student wage is $13.50/hr vs min is at $15/hr

[pure karma]

the issue i see here is that because you never signed any legal contracts you woudl likely run into the problem that you nerver actually worked in the eye of the law so minimum wage/income tax wouldent apply because it wasent 'Legal work" and so on.....

[sharp oasis]

I was signing takes and deductions at my last shift

But because she was not running payroll

I didn't see any reason to sign them yet

[wanton orchid]

that's slavery friendly
work under law is not only defined by contract signing

or it is faulty law

[languid gulch]

lol

[sharp oasis]

So if everything went as I agreed.

I'd be signing my T4 and going home with. A cheque

[languid gulch]

people have been fighting for $15/hr for so long that the minimum living wage (survival without tax deductions) is $35/hr

[sharp oasis]

But she attempted to extend my work period without me explicitly agreeing to such

And so far I am unpaid for the 17hrs of labor

That I provided to her

[wanton orchid]

but maybe you're not so much a real person so it's ok you know

[sharp oasis]

Real

[sharp oasis]

I might see if I can walk down to the RCMP and see if they can help me in anything

I literally cannot afford a lawyer

[wanton orchid]

In some laws text is also defining agreement legally
but I don't know the law where you live

(specifically to prevent these kind of abuses)

[languid gulch]

also don't let anyone pull the "but we're family" BS. if that were true then paying a family member adequately for their time & work should be even less of a problem

[wanton orchid]

^^^^^^

that's what I meant by not getting emotional

[languid gulch]

and i do hate to say that, but i've seen and experienced more than enough familial extorting like that

[wanton orchid]

it's not unknown that there is more social pressure inside family than elsewhere (because you can't fully say goodbye to it)
and it's officially a main environment for abuses

[languid gulch]

which makes it an excellent arena for abusers

[wanton orchid]

but I mean it's known

authority doing their job have huge statistics on these

[sharp oasis]

Yeah I'll probably go down to the local RCMP station they might have a few things they could help me with cus lawyers are fucking expensive and I didn't get paid so I can't get one

[wanton orchid]

don't get your knee shaking because it's your grandma
if your own family is actively destroying you
you must unfortunately seek to get away from it

[sharp oasis]

Oh I'm not scared by her. After the abuse she's pulled on me and my parents and my sister. I want a little bit of vengeance to be very honest. But I also want my money really.

Our grandfather died a year back she is still actively delaying the distribution of his estate

He divorced her like decades ago

[wanton orchid]

(and btw that's exactly why the current social situation is so bad,
because instead of getting help from family, people get fuck both ways, which reduces incentives from employers to be careful)

it's sad that I could sense it at your first two messages
but it is what it is
don't try to hide it to yourself
you'll only make it easier for people abusing you

[sharp oasis]

Oh I know.

I want to fucking take this and make a stink about it as I'm tired of her treating me like a doormat

Cohen do this, Cohen go use your fuel and your car to get us food, Cohen you aren't working hard enough (I literally took a 2.5min break as I haven't stopped working all day)
Cohen get off your phone (my own fucking break to eat something)

There are no scheduled breaks, and any downtime is frowned upon

[wanton orchid]

next time people in your family is asking you for official work
ask for the actual contract to sign and ask for the copies

[sharp oasis]

Oh absolutely

And that time I'll be charging my own fucking rate

And if she doesn't agree to it I don't have to work for her

[wanton orchid]

^

if she is ok with not being a bitch then she'll be ok with signing

no fakes under law

btw that's the classical abuser signature : getting angry because you are asking for simple guarantees that shouldn't be any problem or difficulty if they were completely honest in the first place

and then trying to making it look like you are the one being offensive
just by asking basic simple stuff that's no problem at all

(and yes work paper for official work is basic simple stuff, there is no slavery under family agreement in EU or US, official work hours -> official worker paper, otherwise it's business mismanagement under the law)

though I don't know much outside EU

[sharp oasis]

So I will see if I can get a consult with a lawyer

Get a professional opinion.

So far I'm going to not sign anything

As I haven't.

And demand that I'm paid.

[wanton orchid]

insist on what have been already explicitly agreed upon

that's why text is always better

she can't escape what she already said explicitly
without also being contradicting herself (for instance if "she was not fully awake at that time" then why not consider "she is not fully awake" right fucking now, be real)

[sharp oasis]

Can in Canadian law it's considered evidence if it's relevant

[wanton orchid]

the tips is always to deflect on air conversation to WRITTEN agreement or else consider it's null

at any point if being right is being "mean"
then you are not the one who's fucking around

[sharp oasis]

I might see if I can get her to confirm on recorded call that she wanted me to come in those days for that hourly rate

[mortal pike]

Email is considered a legal document if you can manage it

Texts less so but they can hold up

[twin dew]

Even verbal agreements are legal agreements, just that proving that one was done is the painful step.

[mortal pike]

Well yeah

[dire igloo]

https://x.com/DanielBogdanoff/status/1807808265809432661

Daniel Bogdanoff (@DanielBogdanoff) on X

The fun part of 3d printing overnight is that sometimes you didn't

Twitter · Jul 1, 2024, 4:07 PM

[twin dew]

Need to find USB enclosure for 3.5" SATA drive, that actually allows heat transfer from the drive to the enclosure...
Basically everything today seems to be slide in type, which realistically doesn't allow for much of that.

Even models that try to look heatsinky on the outside.

[charred pewter]

right, all plastic and cheap crap ... nothing actually provides heat transfer (some cases even make overheating worse!)

[twin dew]

Lot of extruded aluminum outsides, but with slide in from one end.

So no way to put any thermal pads or like in there to actually transfer heat.

[charred pewter]

you may have to end up with just getting one that has a decent controller (the hookup part/board) ... and then dismantling it and make a case yourself :/

[twin dew]

Can get adapters without enclosure.

[charred pewter]

right all slide-ins by design dont really do any heatsink/transfer since it ... slides in ... lol

need a clamshell model, but i have not seen any made from metal

[twin dew]

Probably something like this and mod the top install to not be slide on:
That specific thing is sold under many labels.

[charred pewter]

right, take the top off, then slap one of these on the ssd

[twin dew]

Intended for HDD.

[charred pewter]

"Thin Cooling Pad for 2.5In SSD Heatsink 100x70mm" ? ... most likely scam

[twin dew]

Some 2+TB Seagate Skyhawk probably.

[charred pewter]

alumimum version ... https://www.amazon.com/Supports-Solid-Desktop-Dedicated-Cooler/dp/B0CB1L1Z1M

looks crappy

kind of stupid title ... NVMe SSD ?

[twin dew]

Ah, this one is plastic...

[charred pewter]

i thought all nvme ssd were the thin chip style that stick in the motherboard

[twin dew]

No, U.2 and like are a thing.
Just not common.

Uncommon in consumer space, common in server space.

[charred pewter]

seems other people have asked for what you are looking for, and coming up short too

must not be a high demand to passively cool an external ssd ?

without jury rigging something out of parts

[twin dew]

When you have stuff like this:

Trying to look like they would cool the drive, but there is no real path for the heat from the drive to the external surface.

"Efficient cooling"

[charred pewter]

lol

i AM finding ones ... but they only take the stick nvme inside lol

doh

[twin dew]

But basically style has taken over.
With one part extruded aluminum (or plastic) external housings.
Instead of two part clamshells which would be more expensive to manufacture.

[charred pewter]

right ... 'oh its a metal case!' ... but doesnt have any real contact with the drive... so its basically just a case that isnt easily crushed when some dumbass steps on it

heh, if only this came in ssd 2.5 style

[twin dew]

Again, need it for 3.5" HDD.

[charred pewter]

OH

3.5 hdd ?? wait ... here i thought you were looking for 2.5 ssd 😦

my brain fried on "Need to find USB enclosure for 3.5" SATA drive"

somehow read that as "2.5" SSD drive" ... 🤦

[twin dew]

Probably going to get this one, and then put some thermal stuff between the adapter plates and the drive, and then on the rails.

[charred pewter]

NOW i know why you want it passively cooled!!!!!

[twin dew]

And when that thing is supposed to constantly write at 10Mbit/s for years, in hotter than normal room temperature space, with no active cooling.

[charred pewter]

i had an old enclosure from Calvary, which had a tiny fan in it to suck air through the metal case .... it was dumb, noisy, and ultimately a bad controller in it

[twin dew]

Fan is no-go for intended use.
Going to go with that Pi 4 I specced and ordered heat sinks for.

[charred pewter]

ah

hmm, changing searches to 3.5 sata ..... its either slim cheapy slide in enclosure, or giant raid/nas boxes of doom ...

[twin dew]

And in a pinch, I can just saw the enclosure in two and make it into DIY clamshell with some ghetto solution to keep the removed part attached.

[charred pewter]

lol what the bloody hell is THIS bastardchild device ?!

"ORICO 2.5/3.5 inch SATA/M.2 NVMe SATA SSD Enclosure with 12-in-1 USB C Docking Station with HDMI USB-C hub 10Gbps, 4K@60Hz, 100W PD, Ethernet, Card Readers"

good grief ! im intrigued though

[twin dew]

But basically that kind of one-part straight through extruded aluminum part is dirt cheap to make in mass, and only needs that extruding step, then cutting to length, and possibly surface finishing.
And you just screw the end-caps on without doing any thread tapping etc.

[charred pewter]

yup

[twin dew]

So USB docking station with integrated drive(s).

[charred pewter]

yup .... i mean, its a neat idea ... and would actually replace my gaggle of crap i hang off my laptop... including a usb drive i use for backups lol

it even has an ethernet port in the hub

not many reviews on it on amazon ... one guy trying to put a ssd in place of the hdd and complaining it doesnt support trim and ssd speeds 😉

[twin dew]

Review for document shredder:
Mechanism works fine but the product is just cheap plastic, 1 star!

That was only review for shredder I recommended.

[charred pewter]

hahah

[twin dew]

Why would the waste container or the outer shell need to be anything but plastic?

[charred pewter]

i get a kick out of some reviews sometimes ...

[twin dew]

For low end "personal" one.

[charred pewter]

right ... the shredder i got (some bonsai) ... its a solid unit and works great... but people complained the 'window on the bucket gets clouded up and you cant see the waste' ...

[twin dew]

With 12L waste container.

[twin dew]

By the waste ?)

[charred pewter]

exactly ... DUST ... cause its SHREDDING GOOD

"i want clean shred... no dust!"

i want a shredder which turns it to pulp .... lol

[twin dew]

Recommended this one, as it had way better specced usage to waiting time than anything else in the same price range:
www.rexeleurope.com/en-ie/products/paper-shredders/rexel-manual-feed-paper-shredders/rexel-promax-qs-rpx612-cross-cut-paper-shredder2/

For P4 shredders.

[charred pewter]

omg that window will get clouded up! 😄

[twin dew]

No "2 minutes use, 60 minutes waiting", but 8 minutes use, 30 minutes waiting.

[charred pewter]

ah, overheating issues

ive not gotten mine to heat cycle yet... but i dont shred for like a half hour

[twin dew]

Yeah, most of the cheap ones are made expecting that the user shreds few documents every day, all the time.
And not for the initial "destroy last 10 years documents".

[charred pewter]

i got the 8-sheet micro cut ... cause i wanted more security over my 6 sheet cross cut i had

hahahah yes

[twin dew]

But when you are able to choose, better to go with the one that can actually cool itself somewhat.

[charred pewter]

two reems of paper to shred 😄

[edgy hazel]

Wait y'all buy your shredders new and not from an office liquidation?

[charred pewter]

nope! ... i buy new crap that lasts shorter than old crap

[twin dew]

Not lot of opportunities for things like that in Finland that I know off.

The stores that might buy and resell don't really advertise anywhere.
Not what they have, or even that they exist.

As in only want to do B2B, not B2C.

[charred pewter]

ive never looked here, tbh .... i just cant be bothered

i hate going out as is... but to go out and mill around a bunch of people and fight for product in an auction? naw

[twin dew]

Raw price from Farnell would have been 118.11e, will need to pay 147.00e for the same through the local store.
But I expect that much of that is the Pi 4 going up to the standard Finnish retail price, even when I had been browsing Farnells Finnish subversion.

[charred pewter]

maybe if i needed some $2000 piece of equipment that you can nab for the cheap at one of those ....

[twin dew]

Tried to look if I could have gotten the stuff via Mouser, but just couldn't replace the heatsinks easy, as the ones they stocked didn't include same stuff.
And Elfa Diselectric in turn wouldn't have had the Pi, the car stuff or suitable switch (had tried to find the car stuff and switch to include in earlier Elfa order).

[sharp oasis]

I also have a feeling that she's going to try and change the agreement on call. Or if it I ask her to email me

[edgy hazel]

aaaand all servers openssh is updated

[twin dew]

Were any even using the GSSAPI?

[edgy hazel]

huh? I patched against the grace timeout exploit

[twin dew]

The old version at least only worked if GSSAPI was in use.

Need to find real CVE for the new one, as the OpenSSH own disclosure is just crappy...

Ok, the current CVE text is the same as everyone has been copying without listing the source.

Because most of the details are still under wraps.

[edgy hazel]

www.qualys.com/2024/07/01/cve-2024-6387/regresshion.txt

[twin dew]

CVE-2006-5051 Detail:

Signal handler race condition in OpenSSH before 4.4 allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (crash), and possibly execute arbitrary code if GSSAPI authentication is enabled, via unspecified vectors that lead to a double-free.

Which is the one that every source says this is regression back to.

So either the old CVE actually didn't need GSSAPI, or the new one isn't pure regression.

But seems from that qualys text, that it is pure regression, and the old CVE description is wrong?

Yeah, "Theory, take one" part talks about that specific point.

[soft bloom]

Guess what payment terminal works on (reverse atm of about same size)

[twin dew]

Some variant of Windows?

[stray badger]

Ubuntu

[soft bloom]

guess which one

or maybe i'm of wrong age to be surprised to see it still being used

[mortal pike]

XP?

[jagged snow]

Server 2008 most likely

[twin dew]

Not going to even try when I have no idea when the specific one was created.
Because it almost certainly uses the one that was the current or one before when it was put into production.

[soft bloom]

thankfully its not thaaat old

[soft bloom]

nailed

[jagged snow]

Are you sure it's not server 2003?

That seems far more likely and it has the XP interface

[mortal pike]

a surprising amount of important stuff runs on XP still tbh

[soft bloom]

i wonder if it means that it has bugs of same age

[twin dew]

XP had specific version for that kind of use.

[soft bloom]

would it display XP logo when booted?

[jagged snow]

So no, interesting

But anyways, a lot of the municpal water supply stuff I work with still runs on server '03 or '08

[twin dew]

XP Embedded was supported until january 2016.

[soft bloom]

so much water flowed since then

[twin dew]

And Windows Embedded Compact 2013 was supported until October 2023.

Ok, that was the last Windows CE, not Direct XP based.

Windows Embedded POSReady 2009 was still XP based and had the support end in April 2019, as last XP based Windows version.

And the Windows Embedded Standard 2009.

Got replaced by Windows Embedded 7, then 8 and 8.1.
Then to various Windows 10 based Windows IoT Enterprises.
All which are still in support.

Latest which seems to be Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021, which will have support until January 2032.

Windows 11 IoT Enterprise versions also seem to exist, but have shorter support periods.

[soft bloom]

that's looong. wonder how often this will cause switch to it with promise "we will get security updates for 8 more years" while in reality it will just be as old

[twin dew]

Because those are meant for embedded systems, some of which still use for example DOS to this day.

Because the machine they control has been in use since 80s.

And IIRC I just read that MS is still selling new lisences for that last XP Embedded (2009) version until 2026, but cannot refind it.

No it was for sale until early this year, and it was the Embedded 7 that will be for sale until 2026, even though the support already ended.

That 10 IoT LTSC 2021 will be for sale until near end of 2031.

[maiden coyote]

most of those machines on are on networks that have no access to the outside, or are behind a firewall thats a VPN client that connects only to the controlling server

[twin dew]

Basically all the known hacks on ATMs etc. have been physical access things.

[maiden coyote]

It's less so how old and hackable the old systems are and more the kinds of firewall/network they're behind.

Hospitals use alot of windows xp stuff.

[twin dew]

Because the equipment manufacturers don't bother to upgrade the OSs for the access machines for their machines.

Or make their programs support newer OSes so that the local IT could upgrade.

And after you buy diagnostic machine that costs from hundreds of thousands to millions, you cannot just switch it because the maker is ass on the OS support front.

[maiden coyote]

Quite a bit of those systems have the If it works why fix it mentally.

It's whatever the manufacturer had available currently to make it work, and when you've got a multimillion dollar mri machine, having it down because of an "update" Isn't really acceptable.

[pure karma]

XP probably

[thick radish]

A lot of ATMs could probably be pwned remotely if you could get to them through all the firewalls

Kind of a "sure, if you can get through the vault door, there's not much protection"

[charred pewter]

😆

fort knox isnt very secure when you get past the gaurds, the doors, the gates, the guns, the explosives ... I mean seriously, wtf place they running there?

[twin dew]

Without any external alert being allowed for reinforcements to be sent.

[charred pewter]

right 😄 splinter cell those fuckers and knock them all out before anyone gets to the alarm!

man i miss that franchise ..... shame they never made more

[twin dew]

IIRC the later games descended into idiocy and bad mechanics both.

You might have repressed the memories of those.

[charred pewter]

just the last one

[twin dew]

IIRC it was much more gradual, but can be bad memory on my part.

[charred pewter]

yeah, it did start to turn ... i think cause they felt urged to add 'more mechanics' to an already working formula

[twin dew]

Starting from around the half-way point of the published ones?

[dire igloo]

I believe this would go hard with a PCB tie

[charred pewter]

chaos theory was good

[twin dew]

I will probably get the Heilos stuff tomorrow.

[thick radish]

Nah you just disable the alarm by plugging your phone into the conveniently exposed USB port

[lone yoke]

i just lost my microsoft account on which i had my minecraft and forza i don't know why but i cant login anymore my pc got blocked from entering microsoft support so im not even able to go into support i don't know why and my whole browser got killed by the support like i can't open or close it anyymore it's just open can maybe someone help me

[jagged snow]

Have you tried restarting your pc?

[maiden coyote]

Maybe they've got ip cameras that aren't on a isolated vlan, just unplug an exposed camera and jack in

Speaking of.. that was probably a bad oversight on my part.. I should probably get around to fixing that

[lone yoke]

yeah

[maiden coyote]

I didn't think about someone unplugging one of my cameras and using it to get into my network until now... granted where I live that's about the same chance as someone using a flipper to open my garage..

[jagged snow]

Wost case, just mac filter for the cameras

[maiden coyote]

Both have really low odds lol

[jagged snow]

You can still spoof it but it's a pain to do

Or as you said, just throw em in a vlan

[maiden coyote]

All things considered I have every corner of my property covered, and stepping onto it sends an alert too.. but it'll give me a homelab project

[jagged snow]

You run an av scan from defender?

[lone yoke]

no

i can do

[jagged snow]

Do

[lone yoke]

wont load

i think i will reset my pc soon

[maiden coyote]

Unplug your pc from the internet

[jagged snow]

Does sound like you've got some sort of malware

[maiden coyote]

Microsoft support locking you out and killing your browser doesn't sound like something they'd do

[jagged snow]

Is there any critical data on the system or anything you don't want to / can't lose?

[lone yoke]

yes

[maiden coyote]

Unplug it now

[lone yoke]

i got bullied by microsoft support once

[jagged snow]

Disconnect it from the internet

[jagged snow]

Likely not microsoft support

[jagged snow]

Turn off wifi/unplug it

Go to discord on your phone

[maiden coyote]

Maybe. If not it sounds like they've been pwned.

[jagged snow]

Wolf I do feel we might be getting trolled

[jagged snow]

Sure does

"Microsoft support" always makes me worried

[maiden coyote]

Scammers like it use it.

I've been getting alot of these lately..

With a pdf and everything to download..

[jagged snow]

Same here

Lots of those and lots of calls that ring but there's nobody on the other end of the line when I pick up

[maiden coyote]

First one said it was a Bitdefender invoice. That one is new.

Both with a tainted pdf.

[jagged snow]

We lost 'em

[maiden coyote]

Yup, troll or not. lost to the void

Maybe I should setup a vm and download and inspect those pdf's and text files I keep getting lol

I would think Gmail scans all of that stuff for extra code that doesn't belong.. so they're probably just convincing invoices telling me to call this number for questions and support

[river mountain]

the point of course is that most of us here are relatively tech savvy

they send that sort of message to some granny who got a laptop so she can talk to little billy while he's at university and they're going to be rolling in it

[maiden coyote]

For the most part we are.. and yeah.. they know exactly what they're doing

[cinder moon]

Today I learned the hidden horror of rclone.
It stores your account passwords, symmetrically encrypted...with a static key in the source code.

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow finished the new case build. I love the h6

[jagged snow]

Nice

[languid gulch]

i don't say this very often, but maybe some custom cables would be in order 🤣

[jagged snow]

It looks fine from the front 🤷‍♂️

[dire igloo]

why did you put the rad fans on the back as intake?

[dire igloo]

there literally are custom cables in there (well, extensions)

[languid gulch]

oh i meant to shorten things up a bit

i love that angled fan intake btw

[dire igloo]

https://youtu.be/5fd6xx9wpgw

[dire igloo]

it's a nightmare for compatibility checking

[languid gulch]

lol true

i meant aesthetically

i've always found something weird about the side fan trend, & it's because it's 90° off of what the airflow should be

how does it look with everything closed up?

[pure karma]

exactly

[dire igloo]

you overestimate the importance of case airflow. It's a few degrees maybe (in a well designed case) - and then there are the likes of H510 Elite too
also, the point of it is to have a front panel window - it's purely an aesthetics decision, not a functional one

[languid gulch]

yea true, i guess at the airspeed they run at it's not overly important

also rip evga gpus, i see the psu

[jagged snow]

EVGA psus have been absolutely rock-solid for me

I have a 1kw unit from 2013 that's my bench supply and a 550w unit that handles a bunch of my charging equipment

And a 750w in my daily

[languid gulch]

yup, got 3 of them myself 🤣

and not because they burn out, got 3 in 3 systems

[sharp oasis]

As the normal fans do more then enough job to handle the rad. And I don't want to use nzxt shitfans

[languid gulch]

but also i'd be fucking impressed if a 2600/1660S could fry a 750W evga 🤣

[sharp oasis]

much too pricy

[languid gulch]

i'd love it if case manufacturers would offer custom cable length suggestions

[dire igloo]

why not use the RGB fans as intake?

[dire igloo]

ever had N1 or W1?

[pure karma]

ay atleast the NZXT shitfans are quiet

[dire igloo]

if they are quiet, they perform like shit
if they perform decently, they are loud as shit

NZXT fans aren't good (maybe the new ones they announced at computex, we'll see)

[sharp oasis]

They are 3pin

And need another fan zone.

[dire igloo]

Noise alone isn't important. Noise-normalized performance is what matters

[sharp oasis]

So they are garbage

[sharp oasis]

Didn't like the placement

[dire igloo]

remember: a fan that doesn't spin runs at 0dB

[pure karma]

idk the ones i got whit the H9 push like double what the the al120vs's push and are like 4x quieter

[sharp oasis]

The rad fans I used on the front are really quiet as well even at full speed

[dire igloo]

that sounds like either you have some super flawed methodology or there's smth wrong with the AL120V2

fairly certain it's the first one

[pure karma]

i have 6 and there all loud so i doubt its a mechanical problem

[sharp oasis]

I might swap to all arctic

[dire igloo]

can be fan curve

or improper setup

or anything really

[pure karma]

the fan curve isent a factor when they are loud at all rpm's

because there is no shot they are at that advertised 40DB

[dire igloo]

I learned that trusting personal experience before professional testing is a gigantic fallacy

[pure karma]

or there is a lot of turbulence or something

[dire igloo]

did you even try quantifying anything you are talking about here?

[dire igloo]

not much of a point, Thermalright has them beat for value on case fans

[sharp oasis]

Fair

My gpu still looks big in this case

Asus why is my 6700XT so large

[pure karma]

to charge you extra

[sharp oasis]

I got it used

So they charged me nada

[jagged snow]

Makes it silent

[sharp oasis]

Fair

[jagged snow]

And it looks more impressive for the people that want to stick a 6700xt in their build and show it off to their friends

[sharp oasis]

3 slot chonker of a gpu

I mean 6700XT is still a good gpu

[jagged snow]

It's a great card

[sharp oasis]

I am extremely happy with the noise profile on my PC now

[maiden coyote]

noise normalized? how about these :] https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-S4028-15K-1400-15000-Regulated-Connector/dp/B09SB3Z6ND/

not loud at all lol

[languid gulch]

now i wanna see GN test that

[edgy hazel]

Now I want to print a shroud for those so I can mount 9 of them on a 120mm Rad

And then populate my 360 rad with 27 of them

[maiden coyote]

I have some in my proxmox server.. I had to get a potentiometer based fan controller because the bios didn't allow for much in the way of custom curves. at 100% they move some air, but it sounds like a jet engine at takeoff thrust.

bufferbloat..

[edgy hazel]

Java founder and lead designer is retiring

[languid gulch]

i like how you can tell a brit from an american with 1 word 🤣

oh i forgot canadians spell it that way too

[atomic osprey]

ç

[glass panther]

brit: healthcare
american: dystopiancapitalisthellscape

[charred pewter]

"normal" and "abnormal" ?

[languid gulch]

plough vs plow

[charred pewter]

why do brits pronounce slow as slow, and not slow ?

[charred pewter]

What is the label for people who do not like AI? Surely the people who come up with labels for other people have come up with a label for people who hate AI ...

[languid gulch]

ant-ai 😛

[charred pewter]

LOL!

thats funny ... antai ...

artifobist - artificial intelligence phobia - one who is not afraid (despite wrongly using the term phobia in this case), but rather dislikes, artificial intelligence applications and systems.

[edgy hazel]

YES SIR! WE WILL DO THAT SIR!

I'M SORRY SIR!

judgy ass script

[dire igloo]

I've talked to literal homophobes before.
People who would actually gag if they saw two men kissing.
I think it came from xenophobia which was later applied to politics.

Anyways, I like the German adaptation of using "Feindlichkeit" (hostility), applies much better

[charred pewter]

if only they knew what phobia meant ...

its a fear... not dislike, not disgust, not annoyed ... just afraid of it ... like afraid

[stray badger]

Im cry

[mental oriole]

Thats melting time.

[charred pewter]

HOT HOT HOT

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[stray badger]

Was just in the nice cold rain of PNW too :(

[dire igloo]

Not exactly but yes.
A phobia is a pathological fear - and just like any other medical condition it can show different symptoms.

Yes, the word phobia is overused in modern language, watering down its original meaning - that goes for fears too btw. Some people think that it's arachnophobia when they see a spider and want it gone.

Anyways, language changes and it's just petty to cling onto supposed meanings in a context where the intended meaning is clear.

[charred pewter]

and people who use labels, are petty 🤷‍♂️

[dire igloo]

Have you ever tried doing cable management without any labels on the cables?
It works on a small scale but at some point, labels make things far easier.

Just make sure you apply labels properly and to the right things, otherwise things get even messier

[dire igloo]

imo the biggest issue in modern society and especially online discussions is the rejection of nuance

[dire igloo]

You gotta admit yourself that this message is super petty and kinda provocative - I'd say intentionally

[twin dew]

At least the Thermalright Heilos is cut from same stuff as the PTM7950 LTT sells.
White and transparent non-colored films, when the old PTM7950 pics have blueish instead of white film.

But it is crudely cut with machine from larger roll or like, having one of the original sides and three cut sides.

And then packaged for retail.

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

I'm so happy it's cool this week

[twin dew]

@pastel lion It doesn't matter if soldering the plug or the socket, both have usually the same solder tab lengths.

[twin dew]

Ah, PCB version.

So tip is the one farthest away from the insert hole, ground is the closest.
Easy to measure with multimeter.

[pastel lion]

if only I had one

[twin dew]

Possible power feed is the middle instead of second channel.

Signal on tip, power on ring, ground on base.

[pastel lion]

which one are we talking about again

[twin dew]

The smaller one for the which is which talk.
For the other cannot tell from the pics easily.

[pastel lion]

hold on

please, please tell me that the small socket has microphone support

aka all four pins, left, right ground and mic

[twin dew]

Normal mics use just 2 or 3 pins.
The fourth pin is only with ones that combine both mic and headphones, like phones etc.

So what are you actually trying to do?

What kind of mic do you need to connect.
And what is the mic plug going to be connecting to with the connectors?

You are trying to solder a cable to the female sockets?
Or something else?

Because those sockets are for PCB mount, not cable.

[pastel lion]

oh it's not a mic

it's a bass

hold on a minute

[twin dew]

So almost certainly uses just 2 pins.

Tip and base, ring(s) not used.

Just signal and ground.

Leave the https:// off

[pastel lion]

docviewer.yandex.by/view/0/?*=uMHtp4Icp2C%2FC1qhxEoTC1zJsBF7InVybCI6InlhLWRpc2stcHVibGljOi8vWFR1WERsb3cveEN1Y0tWRXRMM3ljNGJpaDQ3NWtlTnErbGtvWThNRlM4QT0iLCJ0aXRsZSI6ItCT0LjRgtCw0YDQvdGL0Lkg0LHRg9GE0LXRgC5wZGYiLCJub2lmcmFtZSI6ZmFsc2UsInVpZCI6IjAiLCJ0cyI6MTcyMDAyNjk2NDc0MiwieXUiOiIxMTIyODg5MjcxNzIwMDI2OTYxIn0%3D

it's the scheme I'm following, wanna put the big (instrumental jack) on the left, and the small one on the right

and then connect it to my laptop's combined input via a splitter

1 male 2 female connectors, that kinda thing

and an aux cable for the scheme - splitter connection

[twin dew]

And as the scheme shows, only 2 pins for both in there.
Tip for signal, base for ground.

For 4-pin inputs, ground is second ring (next to base), mic is base.
But you don't have 4-pin 3.5mm socket, only 3-pin.

So for the 6.3mm one, you would need to check which leg seems to be connected to the contact closest to the entrance for the plug (ground).
And which is the farthest to entrance and closest to the legs (tip).
And leave the middle one unconnected.

For the 3.5mm, you would need another part to be able to use 4-pin to 4-pin cable to output to anything.

[pastel lion]

FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK.

I need to kill an electronics store employee real quick

[twin dew]

The 3-pin is the most commonly used one.
If you didn't specify exactly enough.
The 4-pin is basically only used on phones and laptops.

[pastel lion]

I said I need a female connector with mic support

[twin dew]

And that can easily be understood to mean 2 or 3 pin variant, which is what is used for mics outside those two niches.

[pastel lion]

@twin dew can I cut an aux cable and just solder it directly?

cus the 3pin connector costed me 6BYN, while the 4 pin one costs 33

divide by 3.3 to get USD price

[twin dew]

Yes, you can just cut any cable with right number of contacts and solder that direct.
Just need to find what conductor is what somehow.

Usually easily done with multimeter or like, but if you don't have one, then it can get harder.

[pastel lion]

dammit

[twin dew]

The cable might use standard colors, or might not.
And cannot know what colors there are before cutting it.

And even if the wires are the standard ones or close, cannot know if they are actually used in that way or not.

[pastel lion]

I guess I'll buy the expensive connector then

[pastel lion]

@twin dew sorry for a late ping, but this looks like the one I need, right? (shop photo)

[maiden coyote]

I did code violations

[gilded helm]

How much is the main breaker?

[maiden coyote]

That's not a main. That world definitely be a code violation. That's for our generator

But.. too fucking much.. almost $100usd

And a 60A is $20

So 20 more = $80 wtf

[gilded helm]

Meh, electrical standards are built for overkill to protect against people who don't know how it works. Honestly that's pretty clever.

[maiden coyote]

I built a shed and never finished it.. it was fed through an extention cord and one day I was going to get some underground 12/2

Then we decided to get a 20kW generator

So now I'm going to bury 4awg /3 use-2 and I have to drive a groundrod and ground it separately from the main house

Because it has a panel it's no longer a branch circuit but a feeder, and since it's a seperate structure it's required to have a groundrod

The generator came today too.. damaged in shipping :/

[gilded helm]

Badly packed?

[maiden coyote]

Shame /:

I think it was tipped and fell over by a careless forklift operator

[gilded helm]

Oof, yeah, no packaging is going to protect against a good fall

[maiden coyote]

Well it came in a crate.. thing weighs almost 700lbs

[soft bloom]

i see generator and immediately want to know "why? what for?"

[soft bloom]

my generator was delivered with a good dent , right near its external frame. came in just a cardboard box, no wood.

[maiden coyote]

It's hurricane season.

[twin dew]

That has 4 contacts, and is probably 3.5mm size.

[twin dew]

So should be right one.

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heriTDWIU2g

[dire igloo]

Testing lacks PS120 Evo

[twin dew]

There should be also old AMD testing platform tests with more coolers.
That is the new Intel 14th gen testing platform.

[languid gulch]

LOL love the crip reference

[dire igloo]

Also, isn't 13900K the worst CPU on the market in terms of coolability?

[languid gulch]

14900KS is the worst since it's a binned 13900K

[dire igloo]

That actually makes it easier to cool

Also, 14 series improved a lot in terms of manufacturing - which also reduces heat output and power inefficiency

13900K is harder to cool than 14900K

[twin dew]

Can go to higher power with higher max voltage and frequency.

[languid gulch]

i think the problem is when they choose to just rebrand a good performing 13900K into a 14900K

[dire igloo]

And because 13900KS is better binned than 13900K, it'll also behave better

[dire igloo]

Except they didn't

[languid gulch]

didn't AMD get busted for doing that?

[dire igloo]

They didn't change the architecture, design or specs of the CPU, but they did improve on it

The manufacturing is a lot cleaner

Not in the environmental sense, in the sense that there are less inaccuracies in the CPU itself

[languid gulch]

i wonder if the true pita cpu is a "barely" 14900KS

[dire igloo]

Again, 14 series is always better behaved than 13th gen.
So 13900KS

[languid gulch]

so the worst one would be something that barely counts as a 13900KS then?

[dire igloo]

Idk

Why would barely qualifying for 13900ks be worse than failing to qualify?

[languid gulch]

pushing the power/voltage to get it to perform well enough to qualify

[dire igloo]

There was a super fascinating writeup on this from one user on the pcpp server.
Very detailed, highly technical, super informative.

Idk if I can link the message here, I'll see

#197079805710041088 message
Looks like I can

[dire igloo]

It's not about benchmark performance tho, it's about overclockability

[languid gulch]

oh i mean intel doing the one pushing it to qualify

so something that can hit the spec, but only if they push it to the limits of what counts as "stock"

& given intel's loose standards & definitions lately.........

but yes, i think you're right that the 13900K is probably the worst thing to cool right now

[tribal kraken]

Custom loop, direct die. So little to gain with overclocking still. So my 13900K is on Intel defaults now with the "new" BIOS that they provide

[twin dew]

The Extreme or the non-extreme (don't remember the name)?

[tribal kraken]

Think it was performance/extreme

[twin dew]

Yeah. Performance clicks in the head.

[tribal kraken]

CPU rendering some motorsport videos with Racerender3 software might be the only real world use that loads the CPU with all cores for me. Now that I remember maybe check how the CPU temps are during that on next renders

Modern dirt bikes are nice as you can log some ECU parameters from the OBDII/CAN bus. That Tactrix openport adapter can save it to a microsd card as *.CSV and then use the data to show RPM or throttle position synced in a video.

[wanton orchid]

lmao

[twin dew]

What is so laughable about that Pi 5 passive cooler?

[wanton orchid]

it is just flat, goes to the wifi chip but not the i/o chip

[twin dew]

Looks to be just for the CPU basically.

Link?

Or name?

[wanton orchid]

it does not align over just cpu

so the bot removes unclkickable links now ?

[twin dew]

Not usually.

[wanton orchid]

look

[twin dew]

Name and/or manufacturer for that specific cooling block?

[wanton orchid]

waveshare com /pi5-active-cooler-c.htm

[twin dew]

www.waveshare.com/pi5-active-cooler-c.htm

Flat bottom.
So will only contact the CPU, and might easily go little sideways and only contact edge, as the CPU isn't exactly on the line between the mounting holes.

[wanton orchid]

imagine going length of producing and shipping this

[twin dew]

"Thermal pads on the back", but in the image all are same height, so will only contact CPU.

But the marketing is pure china type.

[wanton orchid]

it is cheap

but it could easily be better

[twin dew]

Yup, and will probably cool the CPU fine.
And with thick thermal pads would cool the other chips under too.

But what comes with it is unknown, as the marketing "pic" (probably renders) ones are all same thickness.

[wanton orchid]

I was searching for passive heatsink kit for pi 5
that is close to this one, but going just a bit further, and connecting all the chips, with matching thickness and a bit longer fins (it's easy to cut if needed anyway)

[languid gulch]

just weld some aluminum fins to the SoC, it'll be fine

[wanton orchid]

found that

but fins are not oriented like I'd like D:

maybe I could just cut it and slap it in the way I like

dont need all the stuff to be connected and it's cheap

[mental oriole]

Relatable.

[sharp oasis]

Found out why my raid array won't show

Raid controller doesn't have a driver on windows yet

[languid gulch]

linux time!

[sharp oasis]

Found the driver

I think the raid controller is doing a funny

And basically using the SSD as a giant cache

As it has SSD transfer speeds

But is a mixed between SSD and hdd raid

[grim panther]

if the Controller is not aware of this fact, you can (and will) lose data

[sharp oasis]

Controller is aware

And configured as such

[grim panther]

great!

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mvkzrhVz0o thank you youtube

[pure karma]

i havent watched this video but i saw it

[flat ether]

Guess what, that video is bogus. He said he paid how much 170K TD? Thats 5560 dollars, those laptops at the 1:46 min mark are 380 dollars. When in big tech world, tech is cheap. He overpriced for what reason? Boosting the economy for Taiwan?

Or did he artificially just launder some money

[cyan crescent]

Wallet hurts. Just had to upgrade my phone due to my drone creating so much data and my old one having issues.

[summer scroll]

how does one parse out generator water consumption? mSupplementalToPowerRatio is an entirely wrong coefficient (10) between power gen (75) and water cost (45)

[jagged snow]

That wasn't about the laptop

[flat ether]

Hunter Biden is not here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaU29kvtxWk&ab_channel=AsmongoldTV

Meanwhile, this clown is stealing my Server Meshing thunder. I've been ranting and raving about how crazy it is to allow people to float freely on the backend like this. If someone was smart, they'd create a zero day based on this technology. You have access to any portal in the network lol. 😉

[glass panther]

checking

[glass panther]

I think it's (mPowerProduction / mTickExponent) * mSupplementalLoadAmount, but I'm conferring with someone else

[visual tree]

My boss accidentally wrote-off my laptop and I can't use it today since AD domain is no longer working and I can't access emails. Guess I got a free vacation today 🤣

The IT department also made the mistake and they approved writing-off my laptop without checking if anything is suspicious or illogical lol

At least I will be getting a new laptop

[wanton orchid]

just saying AD is giving me sickness

why do people want to use undocumented shit so much

like why use something that made adding a user a trap escape game

[edgy hazel]

I... I think you're using it wrong

[visual tree]

Maybe the IT department saw me using an older laptop and approved writting-off my laptop by "accident" so I can get a new one 😁

[edgy hazel]

Did they like write-it-off write it off or did they just remove it from their AD?

[visual tree]

Although it only happened because my boss made the mistake in the first place so I am lucky lol

[edgy hazel]

Because then you could just keep it for personal use lol

[visual tree]

They removed the laptop from AD and it's no longer considered a company property

[edgy hazel]

Nice free server

[visual tree]

And since the laptop is no longer a company property, you can't use it to access any company resources or network

[dire igloo]

And since it's no longer company property, finders keepers

[visual tree]

I don't think I can just take it for free though. When the laptop is written-off, an employee can buy the laptop from the company for a small amount or simply give it to the company

If you give it to the company, they will probably give it to recycling companies or do something else with it

[edgy hazel]

What laptop?

[dire igloo]

How's your standing with the it department?
Can ask them if it needs to be returned (off the record obviously)

[visual tree]

Asked my coworker about it. Apparently, once the laptop is written-off, it's gone for good and you have to return it to the company for disposal (unless you decide to buy it from the company)

Both laptop owner/boss and IT department have to approve writting-off a laptop in order to avoid mistakes but in my case both made a mistake lol

The first one probably made a mistake because we got drunk on wednesday and the it department didn't bother to check anything and they simply approved it lol

We didn't get drunk at the company during work hours though

[glass panther]

IoT breathalizer required for writing off laptops?

[visual tree]

Don't give companies any new ideas lol

The laptop is probably 5 years old so I was supposed to get rid of it anyways

[glass panther]

last place I worked at got rid of the linux dev laptops cos it was too much effort to remotely administer them

they also didn't resolve the migration issues between rounds of devs being migrated over

[twin dew]

"We don't know suitable Linux tools, and we aren't willing to look & learn, so no Linux for you!"

[glass panther]

linux laptop: vpn optional
windows laptop: vpn required, not set up properly on each laptop

[twin dew]

The "anonymous" part is that HR promises they don't look who filled what.

So basically worth nothing.

[twin dew]

Seems I have thrown my miniHDMI adapter(s) away at some point...
So no testing the Pi 4 right now.

CPU sink fits tine, same for the USB one.
One memory goes right on too, but the other one needs cuts for the two capacitors.
And the one for LAN chip also needs tiny cut at one corner for the largest capacitor.

The stupid thing about the adapter is that after I picked up the Pi, I went and shopped in two stores that would have had such adapter for sale.

[edgy hazel]

SSH into it

I'm fucked too if I ever had to connect directly to my Pi. I also have no mini HDMI or whatever the pi 5 uses

[twin dew]

Yeah, forgot you don't really run installer on the device itself.

[edgy hazel]

Yup

Which is honestly pretty nice

[twin dew]

And seems they now have Bookworm even for Pi 1.
So I can safely overwrite the card I have for the Pi 1, do the testing, attach the heatsinks, test again.
And leave the Pi 4 waiting for me to buy the right memory card for it.

Well, more for me to buy new memory card for my dashcam and repurpose the one from that to the Pi 4.
64GB Samsung Endurance card.

[edgy hazel]

Can't the pi4 already boot from USB out of the box? Or is that only a 5 thing?

[twin dew]

Pi 5 only IIRC.
Need the firmware on SDCard as minimum for Pi 4 and before.

The OS can be on USB.
But don't have the USB HDD yet either.
And easier to reuse the SDCard than muck around with USB stuff.

[edgy hazel]

True and USB sticks tend to get hot hot

Trust me lol

[twin dew]

Linux logs too much by default.

For the log files to live on USB stick or most SD Cards.

Wear the FLASH way too fast with that.

[edgy hazel]

I think raspian has reduced that by default tho

Otherwise they'd burn through SD cards

[twin dew]

Wasn't the case for the Debian 11 based Raspberry Pi OS I installed for the Pi 1.
SystemD journal was still being saved on the normal location and wasn't temporal by default etc.

IIRC.

Ok, seems Pi 4 with later firmware can boot from USB without SDCard?

Or at least once booted once with SDCard with specific bootloader config to trigger that.

Pi 4 Model B, 400, Compute 4, 4S and Pi 5 are the ones where the USB boot is available.
So again wrong memory that it was Pi 5 only.
Just something that got added to Pi 4 after launch.

WLAN njet stable.

No, the WLAN connection is ok.
Connected to the AP at xx:44 and has been connected since then.
Just that the connection from my computer failed multiple times?
While my computer could still ping another computer, it couldn't ping or connect with SSH to the Pi.

But seems that installing the Raspberry Pi OS without graphical desktop broke something related to network functionality, as the log contains stuff about not finding dbus-org.freedesktop.network1.service.

Still configured to use specific GUI tools.

Which aren't available.

systemd-resolved not installed.

Debian only split that to separate package during Bookworm in late 2022.

And might only have made to Bookworm from unstable and testing in 2023.

[twin dew]

But something weird going with the WLAN.
The base connection stays up with the AP, but the actual connectivity comes and goes.
LAN works fine.

As expected, I need to tear down some stuff being used by default for the networking, like the NetworkManager, instead of SystemD.NetworkD.
But need local display for doing that.

Weird thing is that I'm, pinging the WLAN IP with two different computers, and the "Request timed out" don't happen at same time.

But seems to be something weird on my AP, as not getting the problems when both sides aren't WLAN connected...

Yeah, I have some major config issue for WLAN to WLAN traffic.
Which I haven't used before.
Need to reset the AP to defaults and reconfigure it less.

Used that now because I have firewall blocking most traffic between WLAN VLAN and LAN VLAN, including SSH.

But now for some weird reason I cannot connect with SSH from LAN to WLAN Pi4, even when I should have firewall rules allowing for that...

And for internal-to-internal it should reject, not block.
So is there some firewall/block in the Pi4 default config?

It didn't have any NFTables rules.

So to main firewall rules debugging...

Seems to only been that the Pi didn't like being on two networks at same time.

But need to move it to NetworkD anyways.
So I will need that HDMI adapter to get local control, because fuckups without networking is to be expected.

[summer scroll]

that is still wrong

doing it for coal plants gives 75/5*1000 = 15000, not the expected 45000

[glass panther]

[summer scroll]

for nuclear it gives 2500/5*10000=5000000, which is far too large (compared to the expected 240000)

in both plants the ratio between power and water is an infinite decimal, so coefficients like 5 will never be the answer

nuclear is 10.4167:1 and coal is 1.667:1

and the fact that the water consumption is in both cases constant with respect to fuel means it cannot be a property on the fuel item itself, or a result of one (eg mEnergyValue)

[dire igloo]

Coal is 5:3
There, fixed it

[edgy hazel]

Lots of satisfactory in the no-satisfactory channels 🤨

[dire igloo]

Yep

That sounds a lot like #math-and-meta stuff to me

[tough owl]

[wanton orchid]

ngl rock 5c looks nice

waiting for the pi5 new compact poe hat, and more info on the 2.5gx2+nvme hat

[sterile plinth]

how long should I run memtest86 to make sure my ram is flawleOC

[dire igloo]

48h

[twin dew]

Infinite time?
Usually 1 pass is enough for basic testing if you haven't OCd the RAM.
And with OCd RAM, just Memtest isn't enough.

It doesn't find all types of marginal timings.

[wanton orchid]

yep memtest is targeted at chip test
not timing test

[summer scroll]

this is entirely about SF

[edgy hazel]

Ya ain't reading channel descriptions?

[dire igloo]

There's satisfactory chat, satisfactory media and off topic

This is off topic.
The channel description says so too

[twin dew]

Aluminium dust, so healthy.

[edgy hazel]

[twin dew]

Heat sinks modded.

Have to see if I can be bothered to go get the HDMI adapter tomorrow or not.

[languid gulch]

well yea, the cables keep it in place. isn't that what cable management is all about?

[twin dew]

Need to find the best way to get the Pi 4 OS onto BTRFS...

Well, not best, but good way.

But seems I will probably need to use separate Linux computer with the memory card reader.

And not going to use SDM.

At least if I cannot find option for it to do stuff on the first boot of the created card.

Don't want sdm-firstboot stuff in the resulting OS.

And the AP fuckery might have been because I forgot to change the Wireless LAN country for the Pi.
So it might have been bouncing between GB and FI.

[summer scroll]

oh I misread what herg said

that said the people in #satisfactory complained when this discussion happened there, saying to go here

so which is it

[dire igloo]

apparently if it's too techy for casual game talk, it's automatically tech-talk - #math-and-meta exists and is the perfect place

[summer scroll]

it is not really that either

this is not about math or even game ratios with an eye to playing the game

this is about the docs.json's data, and parsing thereof

for the purposes of an external application

[dire igloo]

is it about parsing ANY json and just so happened to be Satisfactory?

[edgy hazel]

that'd be more the modding discord imho

[dire igloo]

probably, yeah

[summer scroll]

no it was about parsing the specific SF JSON, ebcause it is not about the JSON structure but the data within

[summer scroll]

^

[dire igloo]

that's modding discord then

[dire igloo]

cuz this is essentially modding - even if it's a separate tool without any direct ties into the game

[soft bloom]

where could 600MB come from?

[tough owl]

some system app that was loaded once and the OS deemed fit for swap?

[wanton orchid]

should not change the swap size itself

unless there is some weird dynamic swap size going on

[tough owl]

or its a difference in GiB and GB

[cyan crescent]

Which printers suck the least? Dont need anything fancy.

[edgy hazel]

brother laser printer

[cyan crescent]

Brand wise tho. Which brand doesn’t suck the most?

[edgy hazel]

brother

[cyan crescent]

As in will try to screw me over

[edgy hazel]

they have a good price, don't do hp shit and last forever

[tough owl]

my family has owned two and theyve all broken

[edgy hazel]

cuz ur shooting them with guns

stop shooting your printers kade

[tough owl]

fill em up with tannerite 😍

[cyan crescent]

Oof. I didnt realize you were talking about an actual brand

[gilded helm]

Yep, Brother

[edgy hazel]

absolutely brother

[tough owl]

yea but weve gotten the cheap ones on clearance that no one wants

all the HP and other are even worse

[edgy hazel]

I'd rather fail a class because I can't print than to get a hp

[tough owl]

id just go to the schools library

[cyan crescent]

How bad is canon and epson?

[tough owl]

or you could get a printer for the work place that has a pull out qwerty keyboard

[edgy hazel]

those with the slow ass touchscreen?

hell ya

[tough owl]

nah the sharp mx-m5071 at our office is pretty decent

[edgy hazel]

man I never had a good screen at an office printer... they print really nice, but the interface was always horrible...

[tough owl]

it staples the pages too

[cyan crescent]

Really? Wow

[edgy hazel]

at my old place it could put it into an envelope for you

[cyan crescent]

Is canon and epson just as bad as hp?

[tough owl]

aint no way, now I need one of those

[edgy hazel]

was crazy

[cyan crescent]

Tf? Thats wild. Never knew any printer could do that

[tough owl]

ok but do you have one of these HP DesignJet T1700 44(yea its hp 🤢 )

[tough owl]

afaik yea they have scummy business practices

[cyan crescent]

Ok. Wont get those then. They seem to be the only brands in actual stores tho

[gilded helm]

Because of the scummy business practices of the aforementioned companies.

It's hilarious how bad printing still is in 2024.

[cyan crescent]

They are for only profit and not quality

I understand a company needs profit but holy shit

[gilded helm]

Microsoft is probably in on the printing game in some way. That was one of the more amusing things about the LTT series on switching to Linux, how Linus' printer just worked in a way that it never would on Windows.

[cyan crescent]

How did it work differently?

[gilded helm]

He plugged it in and it just worked on whatever Linux distro he was using.

[tough owl]

framework printer when

[tough owl]

cups, apple developed

[edgy hazel]

yeah cups is great

[tough owl]

thank you game devs for a close up of joker

[cyan crescent]

Needs more horror

Which arkham game?

[tough owl]

knight

(its dirt cheap)

[cyan crescent]

I already have that one. Just forgot which game it was

I have all of them I believe

[night girder]

wtf, ours been going for 10 years or something

[tough owl]

Maybe the 10 year old ones are better?

[night girder]

I think herg made a bettr point

stop shooting em 😂

These ones are solid normally.

Brother HL-L2400DWE

Also fair in price, 121 euro.

Downside: only black and white. But I never need color.

[soft bloom]

eh, talking about total volume

[soft bloom]

i definitely didn't confugre it...

oh waiti have parition of that size, that is active

but why on earth would i do that for such volume?....

[wanton orchid]

idk

[sage pier]

my dad has had this since the dawn of time

never had issues other than the price of cartages

[pure karma]

honestly i think at this point i have just accepted the fact my pc is a absurd heater

its 30°C in my room

its a basement room

the heating is set at 20

[twin dew]

By default Windows uses dynamic swap size.

[craggy sierra]

i mean yeah im in a small room, and my pc GPU runs at around 50c when i play satisfactory and it causes my room to heat up a little

its worth it

[wanton orchid]

sorry this didnt look like windows monitoring

[twin dew]

No idea what OS.
As nothing was specified about OS or program.

[pure karma]

there is a difrence whit a 100W 80C and a 250W 50C and im learning the 100W 80C is hella superior when it comes to room temp lol

my 4070ti is too efficient at cooling itself

[twin dew]

But seems he possibly uses Ubuntu?

[craggy sierra]

im running 4060ti ventus 3x

50c is great temp to run considering satisfactorys resources

[pure karma]

its great until your room temp is trough the roof because of it

[twin dew]

But then he should show the swap settings to show what size the swap should be.

[pure karma]

i tought he was on mobile or something but maybe that was someone else

[wanton orchid]

it sucks bein in my situation, not having room nor relationships nor budget for get hardware/information related to SbC/uC, but being interested and wanting to give my 2 cents

[twin dew]

SbC? uC? In this specific case?

[wanton orchid]

single-board-computer micro-computer

pi5 and the like

[twin dew]

I knew the terms.
Just couldn't decode the acronyms without context, and they didn't give nice results on quick search either.

But I got the HDMI adapter, and the outputs work.
So I can now move to sticking the heatsinks on.

[edgy hazel]

Hihi

[night girder]

55 euro and can print around 1200 pages.

first HP cartridge I could find, also black: 33 euro and can print 240 pages in black.

0.045 euro per page (brother) vs 0.137 euro per page (hp). So, more expensive, but more pages 🙂 And per page, cheaper.

Now take this all with a grain of salt, the data comes from a vendor, I don't know what quality they used when printing etc. Higher quality uses more ink etc.

I read someone claiming the HP one can only print 80 pages. Not sure if that's true 🤔 Wouldn't surprise me both vendors "boost" the pages to more than what it is.

[twin dew]

There is now standardized test sheets for grayscale and color.

But the cartridges that come with the printer are way underfilled by design, often to somewhere around 10% page count compared to the smallest replacement.

But for full-page color printing, the fill of the test is way under.
The grayscale is around 5% fill IIRC, and the color might have been around 10-15%.

So the numbers should be comparable between printers and vendors.
But aren't 1:1 to actual usage.

[edgy hazel]

Laser printer gang

[twin dew]

Color laser printer gang here.
My printing costs for black&white/greyscale should be around 0.032€ per sheet, including the waste toner container at 30k pages and imaging units at 48k pages.
Doesn't include the paper.

And I don't believe I will ever have to replace the imaging units in actuality.
And probably don't need to ever replace the waste toner container.

[edgy hazel]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️

we got this one at home

[twin dew]

Xerox WorkCentre 6515 DNI

Was the cheapest laser I could find with double-sided print & double sided document feeder scanning.

[edgy hazel]

again, office liquidations rule

[twin dew]

Lot of ones with single-sided document feeder, but the double sided autoscanning was not there in anything cheaper.

[edgy hazel]

we paid like 300€ for that printer

[twin dew]

318e new for mine.

In 2019.

And then 150e for 5500 sheet black toner cartridge once the initial 1000 page one ran out pretty closely on the mark.

[night girder]

Doesn't mean they cannot lie, does it?

Do you know if they used that standardized test sheet? Is it a law?

[edgy hazel]

tbh I only print the standardised test sheet at home and nothing else, so I know when my toner is gonna run out.

[night girder]

also, wtf 😂

[twin dew]

Don't remember what the test spec says, so don't know if it can be played with stuff like draft mode etc, which use less ink/toner.
But it isn't just sheet, it is test protocol.

[night girder]

I didn't think anyone would get that for a home, but then again, maybe your parents or somebody in your family needs it for work 😉

[edgy hazel]

Office printer are super reliable

[night girder]

My quesiton is: how do we know who does the testing? Is it a law, like madatory for companies to do these test in a standarized way?

[glass panther]

have found correct math, now tracking down license

[glass panther]

not modding, coding.

[twin dew]

ISO Test Reports
In June 2004, the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) announced yield testing and reporting standards for Monochrome Xerographic Engines under ISO/IEC 19752. In December 2006, yield testing and reporting standards for Color Xerographic Engines were also announced under ISO/IEC 19798 and ISO/IEC 24711. These standards ensure that toner or ink yield reporting by different manufacturers will adhere to the same rigorous testing process, making yields comparable across different products.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_19752

[night girder]

The car manufacturers also have to comply to a lot of stuff; and then we found out they used tricks to get past these tests.

[twin dew]

Cartridge and printer source (not supplied by manufacturer; purchased on the open market from at least three different sources)

[dire igloo]

What else do you call a third party application that interacts with game files?

[twin dew]

But the full spec is paywalled.

[night girder]

But that only applies for ISO certified printers right?

[dire igloo]

Volkswagen emission bullshit

Still amazed that Bosch got away seemingly unscathed

[edgy hazel]

he about to block you and just continue

[glass panther]

it doesn't interact with the game.

[twin dew]

Yes, printer manufacturer doesn't have to use the ISO testing, but basically everyone is using it.
And usually specifies it on the sales pages somewhere, or in general.
Even HP.

[glass panther]

it not a mod.

it's programming math not automation math, therefore #off-topic-tech

also it's software license/copyright-related, therefore #off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

Anyways, got the heatsinks into place:

[glass panther]

also it's people doing the same task in different programming languages, therefore #off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

HDMI ports will be down in the final installation (wall type).

[dire igloo]

?

[twin dew]

And even still boots \o/

[glass panther]

I don't see a refutation of the 5 points, g'bye

[glass panther]

@summer scroll ((time * (power * clock)) * supplementalwotsits) / 1000, shouldn't need arbitrary precision math on those values unless you want to account for any possible weirdness with non-int supplementalwotsits

[edgy hazel]

Southpark pfp

[twin dew]

And the Debian Bookworm (not Raspberry Pi OS Bookworm) works fine too in quick test \o/

[twin dew]

Now put the Debian Bookworm RPI1 version onto the Pi 1B:s card and need to start setting that back up.

First need to convert the thing to use BTRFS with both metadata and data duplication on one physical partition.

[twin dew]

Pi 1 as DHCP server in the management network, ONLY because these settings don't work right in Windows.
If the specific network interface hasn't had DHCP provided settings since last boot, they will not be used.
And even when that is true, it takes several minutes for the Windows to finally decide to use them with no DHCP reply.

[wanton orchid]

big box

[twin dew]

For little over 3e, for the case specifically. 63x94x33mm outside dimensions, including the feet.

[wanton orchid]

I plan on trying to design one with someone else 3d printer

[twin dew]

But when the ready made options are shit like this, at maybe 4mm high...

For the heatsinks for Pi4 I mean.

As comparison:

Which one is more likely to not throttle as passive if put into 40-50C air temperature situation?

Ok, likely the placement will not be anywhere near that, but I was making sure.
So used 16-20e on the heatsinks and about 10e on the excessive sized 300x300 thermal tape sheet.

But I need to clear the project sidetable before continuing...

[tough owl]

buying enterprise and actual professional tools is the way to go, consumer stuff sucks

[tough owl]

what are you doing with the pi?

[twin dew]

Putting it behind the fridge with USB connected HDD to store surveillance camera footage.

So right next to the fridges compressor loop warm/hot cooling coils.

Which is why I went with Pi 4, to get AC WLAN, but still cheaper and easier to cool than the Pi 5.

Pi 4 seems to be 1x1, so 433Mbit/s max theoretical, no idea about Pi 5.
But as the need is only for constant 10Mbit/s, that doesn't matter that much.

Seems to be the same, with Pi 5 giving much more performance up close to the AP, but losing performance with range while Pi 4 keeps up to same speed, with eventually Pi 5 dropping below the Pi 4.
So Pi 4 seems to have better RF hardware, but not enough bus bandwidth, CPU performance or similar to give high transfer speeds.

[midnight osprey]

hello, I am hoping to buy a monitor soon, maybe in prime sales ... for game dev I want one with as accurate colour representation as possible ... are there any monitors that you guys can recommend?

or things to look out for?

[wooden vessel]

Budget?

[midnight osprey]

no budget ... I don't wanna waste money but I want it to be premium

prudent but amazing quality

[wooden vessel]

Desk space? I have room for a pair of 27 inch 4K. You will want at least an IPS screen. I would not go OLED until people playing your game largely have OLED. I like dell screens, the u2723qe is well regarded, and ASUS proart models have good colour gamut and accuracy out of the box. In general dell screens go on sale all the time and in addition to these two brands, Samsung is worth a look.

I don’t care, at all, about high frame rates Good colours and good blacks

[river mountain]

what else is in the dell range these days? i'm looking for a near like-for-like swap for a dying s2719dgf but obviously that's four years old

[wooden vessel]

I dont have the decoder ring for their model names. But I would gather that is an s tier 27 inch from 2019.
There is a s2721for usd 140 on their sale page. www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/deals/computer-monitor-deals

[dire igloo]

In the US, Dell G2724D

[wooden vessel]

My pair is s2721qs
Oh, I’m Canadian, I have no idea if dell is showing me different models

[dire igloo]

$200, best in its class (1440p ≤180Hz edgelit IPS)

[midnight osprey]

I am in the UK but I am sure we can get that over here

[dire igloo]

Not necessarily at a good price tho

[midnight osprey]

plenty

I use a dining table as my PC desk, lolol

just over 2 meters long

maybe 1m deep

[dire igloo]

OLED is out simply because color accuracy is a nightmare to maintain and because game dev means lots of static content.

[midnight osprey]

*94 cm

[dire igloo]

What size monitor are you looking for then?

[midnight osprey]

I think 24 would suffice

[dire igloo]

Oooookay

Boy do I have the monitor for you
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/wFMMnQ/aoc-q24g2abk-238-2560-x-1440-165-hz-monitor-q24g2abk

[midnight osprey]

❤️

lets see if I get lucky on prime day!

nice refresh rates

[tough owl]

24in 1440p is gonna look crisp

[midnight osprey]

yeah, will be my smallest monitor

I wonder what most steam gamers use?

[tough owl]

24/27

[midnight osprey]

is there a way to find out?

cool

[tough owl]

I only thing the survey does resolution not size

[midnight osprey]

ah

it's crazy how much I save on shipping

almost everyuthing I buy is through amazon

[dire igloo]

1080p

Steam hardware survey has the info on resolution

But 1440p is getting more and more popular

[midnight osprey]

Yeah

I guess ultra wide is becoming more popular too @dire igloo ?

[dire igloo]

Yeah, kinda