off-topic-tech

[jagged snow]

Yes

That is an insane amount of money

[rustic panther]

Hell, maybe I could get close if I'd count every computer my family owned or laptops not meant for gaming

[jagged snow]

That's more than I spend on most entertainment stuff combined

[rustic panther]

And my work laptop perhaps because I'm still sure that without it it comes up short

I know one person that spent 10k on hardware alone, and that was some kid from Slovenia and his dad was the fucking foreign minister

[pure karma]

i guess the diffrence is im irresponsible so i go true them fairly quick

[rustic panther]

So he was rich enough to just throw 10k Euro on a minecraft machine

[pure karma]

3000 run hours in 8 months means i have been ussing this thing for 12.3 hours a day on average even whit school

[jagged snow]

That is.... unhealthy

[pure karma]

and expensive

[rustic panther]

Bloody expensive

[pure karma]

me spending $10K on computers: Yes Me spending like 30$ on a lightning cabble: No

[rustic panther]

That's not funny

It'd be funnier if you had a full-time job and had to pay for the hardware that breaks yourself

[jagged snow]

Even then it's a bit irresponsible and wastefull

[rustic panther]

Yeah but if you have the disposable income, go fuck around with it

Frugality only makes you the richest person at the graveyard at the end

But yeah I'd invest in some form of insulation between your power outlet and your electronics, because I'm starting to sense that your houses wiring may be killing shit

Assuming you treat your electronics normally and responsibly, and if you don't, your next help request better fucking include a picture of your paycheck :V

[jagged snow]

Eh, I think it's just pure negligence at this point

A lot of this can't really be explained by wiring

[pure karma]

im more resposible whit tech than i make myself look

you guys are mostly seeing it from a perspective of only being able to see the bad that happens kinda thing

[jagged snow]

I think you've had more bad in the past year than I have in my entire life

[pure karma]

i think i just ended up whti bad timing where everything just started faillign at once

i mean i have like 6 out of like 8 of the devices i own that developed new problem either on there own or just from simply being used that have close to no explanation

[rustic panther]

That's why I'm thinking it's the wiring, assuming responsible use

Or you live on the coast or some other really bad environment for electronics, in that case educate on how to mitigate that environment

[pure karma]

hard to wire things like a ipad and a (nintendo) switch wrong

[jagged snow]

That still doesn't explain why battery powered devices are dying

[rustic panther]

You charge em for some time on shitty house wiring, I can see how that would stress the battery more

Not an electrician, but there's definitely a pattern here

[jagged snow]

The pattern is the us3r

[jagged snow]

Not really, won't make a difference at all

[pure karma]

well the dead/NotYetButProbablyAboutToBeDead Battery detiriorated itself on school ground

so its likely not house power

[rustic panther]

I remember some years ago someone stole copper from a transformer closet in a town and it pushed 400v through said town for a minute

That will pop shit

[jagged snow]

That... Should not be possible on a scale of more than one building

At least in the states

[pure karma]

🇨🇦

[jagged snow]

Canada uses the same systen

[rustic panther]

It should not be possible in europe either, even tho it's on 230v

But there's still some time before fuses trip and if you just throw in double the voltage expected things get fun

[pure karma]

i mean my setup is hooked up to a surge protector

[jagged snow]

It still shouldn't be possible to get that voltage in the first place

[rustic panther]

Point is, only Magic can self-reflect and determine if he's genuinely responsible and careful with keeping his electronics healthy, since he's right in that we only see what he wants us to see

[rustic panther]

It is if a thief just starts pulling out copper apparently, but I also thought you couldn't just do that

[jagged snow]

Well anything that could be done to change voltage would either completely interrupt the power supply before affecting voltage

[pure karma]

there is only one bad thing i recall not doing on purpose while building my new pc and its dropping the HDD (i dont even want to talk about it) other than that everything else either shipped broken or i pushed them beyond the limits like running the 13700K at the TJ-max for like 3 months even tho i knew i shouldent

[jagged snow]

And there isn't really much that could be done there without just dying

[rustic panther]

I did see that CPU pulling 300w, even though most reviews peg it at ~250w max

Did you mess with it?

[pure karma]

well actually there were two things but idk if this one was caused by me

[pure karma]

i dident it draws 250W WHITOUT the igpu

[rustic panther]

I'm not up on intel cpus these days though, last time I checked 65w was considered normal for higher-end cpus

[jagged snow]

Heh

14900ks will do 400

[rustic panther]

Which is insanity

[jagged snow]

Yep

[rustic panther]

Is intel still on 14nm?

[jagged snow]

Especially considering it gets beat by chips under 100w

[pure karma]

but the entire cpu socket did practically fall apart when i closed it (Properly)

i double checked i did it right and it worked the second time

[jagged snow]

I have literally never heard of that happening

[charred pewter]

wow

might wanna grab a contact frame ... more solid mounting

[pure karma]

if i remember corectly i tightened these two screws holding the flappy thingy and then it worked but yea wacky shit

[charred pewter]

such a cheap part, and it made a big difference for mine

[pure karma]

i would get one if i could

[charred pewter]

cant? 😦

[pure karma]

honestly at the end of the day i think it just comes down to the surface area

the new intel chips just arent big enough for there wattage

they increased the surface area by like 30% but increased the wattage by like 1000%

[charred pewter]

the springy pull down holder brakcet i guess also puts undue stress in places where it can actually bend over time

[pure karma]

its not exactly surprising these chips are unusable whit there economy cores enabled

[charred pewter]

yeah heh, when pushed, they are insane

ive lucked out on mine, its been stable

lucked out*

[rustic panther]

I mean, just cool em good

I'd imagine if the solution were simple that the smart people making the chips woulda done it

[jagged snow]

That is not true

[rustic panther]

I mean, my buddy has a 12700k and while IIRC the problem is less bad in 12k cpus it's still fine with a (beefy) air cooler and a fractal torrent

Like I said, just cool it like it's a 300+w chip and it should be fine

Or there's probably a way to limit power usage, good chance that in gaming you're not gonna notice much

[tough owl]

But but my e cores don’t boost that high

[jagged snow]

That's part of the problem, most mobo manufacturers run the chips way outside of spec by default

[sharp oasis]

That's the cause eof the degreddation on i9s

[jagged snow]

Part of it

Maybe even most of it

[sharp oasis]

Man. I avoid debt like the plague

Like I hate being in debt to anyone

Idk about you but it's heavy on my conscious

I feel bad if I have to borrow money

[stray badger]

one year tuition at a decent university (with average student aid ofc)

[jagged snow]

Yup

[edgy hazel]

Bro is unemployed, goes in debt for a gaming PC and then proceeds to continually OC it so hard it breaks.
Just a master of bad decisions.

[sharp oasis]

Like I reasonably push my 6700XT like it's going really fast

But I also made sure I had a good TIM on it before I really stepped the oc to more extreme levels

Ptm7950 has been a game changer

I also regulate it's voltages and have A very keen eye on the thermals

[sharp oasis]

Not just oc. Improperly oc. And has no regard for others opinion on how to correct his issues

[jagged snow]

Well that's the problem
He only wants advice on how to fix the things he's already broken

[sharp oasis]

Not how to prevent future breaks

[tough owl]

classic adolescents

[sharp oasis]

I made sure I work on making sure my rig can handle what it's doing for a few years at least

[tough owl]

I don’t overclock anything

[sharp oasis]

I kinda have to push a bit here and there

My gpu is doing a Goodspeed oc but I have a stock bios as the other

So I'd I'm not playing cyberpunk

I restart and switch vbios

I only made the 2915mhz oc

For cyberpunk RT pref

Imo Navi22 raster pref kinda stops scaling past 2850

But further gets me better rT

[twin dew]

@pure karma Li-ion batteries also degrade based on time, charge-level and temperature.
So if the battery is stored at 100% charge, it degrades faster over time.
Optimum is 60% charge at near 0C temperature or even below.
And having 100% charge and being heated by the computer in use, and at same time trickle charged?
Dead battery "fast".

But the points still are:
1: Tell your parents.
2: Get written documentation from the school that they will not replace the laptop, including point that you want it replaced because you think the broken battery is a fire hazard, and not for any other reason.

Including the point that it sizzled for hours already.

[languid gulch]

set it on a stool in front of your ring camera so that when it goes it's on video & it's outside so it's relatively safe

[dire igloo]

Team Fortress 2 Update Released
April 18, 2024 - TF2 Team

An update to Team Fortress 2 has been released. The update will be applied automatically when you restart Team Fortress 2. The major changes include:

-Added 64-bit support for Windows/Linux client and server
---Should include performance improvements for most users
---Raw input is now enabled by default
---Bugs can be reported here: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues

-Fixed an exploit related to uploading invalid custom decals that would crash other clients

[night girder]

they should fix the bots. TF2 is riddled with bots.

[pure karma]

🤷‍♂️

[pure karma]

the 1660 was allready on its way out a decent while before i even started overclocking yet alone to fairly ridicules amounts

i mostly did it to test it i was going crazy or if my cpu really did get its performance cut in half as soon as the gpu got hit whit a decent load and it does

so if the 1660 super was at 100% ussage the 10700F couldent pass 40% ussage even whit plenty of power to spare and vice versa so 100% ussage on the 10700F cant exceed 40% on the 1660 Super

whitch i found really wack and thats why i originally tought the PSU was bad but no it has like 300W to spare

[sand saddle]

I broke my system. Satisfactory fps drops from 70 to 20 each reboot afaik and I need to reinstall the gpu drivers to fix it.

[solemn perch]

I updated my GPU drivers after 2 years, it now breaks discord if I have hardware acceleration enabled

[sand saddle]

lol

[dire igloo]

Had that same issue, solved it by realizing I borked my windows install with MS Toolkit.
Did a clean install, works like a charm now

[twin dew]

Nvidia or AMD?
If Nvidia, they seem to have some problems with updates at times, where the upgrade doesn't clean up old config stuff, that then causes issues with new drivers.

And need DDU & reinstall.

[solemn perch]

Yeah mine is Nvidia

[edgy hazel]

Pretty good for my first time printing PETG

[dire igloo]

Mine was RX 5700XT

[twin dew]

Yeah, but you had other stuff going on.
Nvidia seems to just break if there is too long between actually installed updates.

[sharp oasis]

@twin dew currently I have a phone that Is a borderline fire hazzard due to the battery replacement being low quality (also tensor G1 being dogshit)
I am going to disuse it asap and that's within a week

Battery temp outside 50c

[sand saddle]

I use NVcleanstall which should be better at cleaning the old stuff.

Damn even putting the PC to sleep fucks it up

[jagged snow]

I do not understand why people think that anyone cares what they paid for something originally when they're reselling it

Reselling a 2070s and saying "I paid 550 for this originally, so 400 is me being nice on the price" is not how a market works

[sharp oasis]

You sell at the going market price

They almost feel like eyes

[night girder]

What type are those?

[sharp oasis]

AGM-114 hellfire

We need to give these guys portal turret voices

It would be really funny if we gave it a speaker once fires just screams "HELoooooooooooooo"

And bonk

Just imagine being in your tank and you hear a loud scream of helooooo

And then boom

[twin dew]

Well, most of the variants are laser-guided, so it is an "eye"

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

[twin dew]

To that antiterrorist sword version?

AGM-114R9X

[night girder]

"Hiiiii friend, let me hug you" 😂

💥

[sharp oasis]

Fr

Why does the underside of the f22 look like a spacecraft

[twin dew]

How so?

[sharp oasis]

I mean like the little details on the engines. Reminds me of something I'd see in even online

I find it kinda spacecraft esque

Cool tbh

[twin dew]

F-22 has 2D thrust vectoring nozzles.

[sharp oasis]

Yeah I know.

It's got some really good turn time with them too

[twin dew]

But that mandates the extra moving stuff at the engine exhaust end.

[sharp oasis]

Yep

[twin dew]

And remember that in most cases the actual military hardware was there first, game models second.

[sharp oasis]

That is surprisingly an actual raptor

[twin dew]

F-22 first flight was in 1997, Eve Online "only" launched in 2003.

[sharp oasis]

I can find the post on r/warplaneporn rq

[sharp oasis]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarplanePorn/s/h6RbkOdjlr

[twin dew]

Yes, but I don't see what you are alluding to in it...
Looking like a spacecraft, real or game one.

[night girder]

Yeah, first I though you meant the general shape.

But you know why fighter jets are designed as they are.

[night girder]

And what I picked up from documentaries is that everything is done on purpose.

So even the little details on the engines you mention, will have a purpose or* added for a reason.

[sharp oasis]

Ye

Some of these pictures are just majestic

[night girder]

When did they show the next gen?

a month ago?

[night girder]

That for real? Looks like a miniature jetfighter 😂

[sharp oasis]

Ye

[twin dew]

Three planes in line, pic-taker, fighter, B2,.

[night girder]

www.airforce-technology.com/projects/next-generation-air-dominance-programme-us/

[sharp oasis]

Wait

[twin dew]

Just effect of specific camera settings that cause real to look miniature.

[night girder]

Now we wait for China to show what they have cooking 😄

[night girder]

Yeah, sorry it does look a bit too perfect to be real. That;'s why I questioned it. I know you can achieve this with a good lens.

[twin dew]

Usually the "too long" focus area, with something also out of focus behind.
Making the thing in focus seem to be smaller.

In brain.

[night girder]

This is taken with tilt shift lens 🙂

Giving the opposite effect, giving a miniature feeling.

And a macro lens can make it feel like something small is really big.

[sharp oasis]

F104 my beloved

[pure karma]

yea thats one of the reasons why i decided not to just resell my alienware i beat on there would be nowhere in hell anyone would pay anywhere close to 2900$ for a used 10700F and 1660 Super setup anymore id be lucky to get 1500$ probably

[sand saddle]

10700f and 1660S alienware prebuilt could be sold for like 700CAD max

[pure karma]

well yea like the original price of the 1660 super alone at the time lol

it was 700 im prettysure during covid pricing

[solemn perch]

New update resolved it

[sharp oasis]

550 would be preferable for proper going avg

[pure karma]

well it does have a like 300W gpu headroom so you could throw a killer gppu in it and call it a day

as long as you can power it whit a 6+2 and 6 pin power cable

[pure karma]

should i clean my setup now that its been like 9 months that i have had it or nah?

[charred pewter]

that entirely depends on the environment its in, and how much filtering you have (if any)

[pure karma]

well the case has filters but they dont do anything

[charred pewter]

if its been in a room with solid floors (non-carpet) and no pets ... then 9 months shouldnt have done much. but if its in a high traffic area, with carpet, and cats, and other people... and you live in like arizona ... then yeah 9 months will be death to the pc

ive got hardwood floors, and 1 cat ... but live in a moist part of the country, so dust and crap buildup takes a good solid year

[pure karma]

carpet sorta pets no but its in the basement so it has a decent bit of dust starting to build up nothing crazy however

[charred pewter]

yeah, if you keep windows closed, the dust wont build up as much either unless you house is really drafty/old

[pure karma]

im mostly just interested in checking how the thermal paste on the 13700K held up after a considerable bit

[charred pewter]

oh, you mean redo paste?

[pure karma]

well both

[charred pewter]

you can either do that early, after a month of heavy gaming/use ... just to see how you did with it, but if temp readings while monitoring is not 'way off', then you can leave it be, and it will be good for a good while

[pure karma]

the alienware is well past due so if i feel like it i might just repaste both

[charred pewter]

i forget the actual "you really should repaste after x years" ...

[pure karma]

well i put about 3K hours on it now so it could probably use a slight clean

[sand saddle]

Well that depends on the paste, system, etc

[night girder]

Am I stupid?

Just look at the temps?

[sand saddle]

Yup

[night girder]

If temps are way higher then they were, repaste?

[sand saddle]

That's how it works

[night girder]

If temps are totally fine. No need for repaste? 😒 Just my silly little brain.

[charred pewter]

ive used arctic silver 5 ... and it seems even after 5 years, its still doing its duty and not needing to be redone

[pure karma]

well its not like the 10700F is overheating at the end of the day its a locked 65W chio

i dont think i have ever seen it over 60C

and its a 120MM rad whit no intake

[charred pewter]

no intake?

[pure karma]

allienwares ar exhaust only

[night girder]

60C with load I assume? (gaming, rendering, whatever you do, ...)

[charred pewter]

i used to aim for 60c on all my cpus .... then i got a 14700 ....

[night girder]

I wouldn't worry about it. But then again, nothing hurts with a repaste. Unless you do a bad job and get worse temperature

[pure karma]

yea max benchmark load like cpu burner and such

[night girder]

I aim for below 90 celcius so the protection doesn't kick in by shutting down my system hahaha

[charred pewter]

cinebench would top your cpu off

[pure karma]

like after 15 hours of cpu burner on 4 year old thermal paste it was only at like 52C i think

[charred pewter]

also when you repaste, you need to know that temps may be 'slightly' higher until you heat it / cool it / heat it / cool it for a day or two

[night girder]

38c room. (or is it called headroom?)

[charred pewter]

headroom

one of those weird english terms

back in the 80s, it was more of hairroom ...

[night girder]

That's a lot of hairroom in media-off-topic

[charred pewter]

i grew up in those times 😄

[pure karma]

i was thinking about it and Couldent i just get like a ROG ally or something instead of a new laptop so i can atleast have a device that i can use once im out of school...?

like they run windows right?

[jagged snow]

Yes
But you'd need a dock

[pure karma]

what for?

dosent it work on its own?

and either way worst case i can always have it live off of steam remote play like i am for my craptop

[sharp oasis]

To don't have money for it tho?

[jagged snow]

https://youtu.be/1KEtxTQUzxY?si=ba-sJtdZ70B6DyMy
We finally get to know how it works

This is an incredibly clever design

[night girder]

marques makes a good point though about the discrepancy between actual moving and moving on a treadmill.

I get motion sick with VR for that reason.

he explains it, you get motion sick.

Your eyes see that you move, but if your body isn't, the brain knows.

For full immersion, you gotta trick the brain, not the eyes 😉

[sharp oasis]

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-will-reportedly-display-a-watermark-if-your-pc-does-not-support-ai-requirements

It's now if you don't have ai lmao

I'm just gonna go to arch Linux now

[night girder]

It's only if your PC does not meet the hardware requirements

[sharp oasis]

For running ai

So Microsoft

Said hey let's put ai on my cpu

I don't feel like dealing with Microsoft now even more bloating my 5800x

I think arch might be a good change

Hopefully helldivers works with arch

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gif-drake-gif-26307972

[sharp oasis]

I'm kinda tired of windows consuming cpus

This will add to it lol

I'll just have to find solutions to some of my problems

[night girder]

Freaking @subtle star spamming.

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-linux-convention-arch-linux-kali-linux-linux-mint-gif-25225132

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-happy-dance-white-people-white-people-gi-fs-white-people-dancing-gif-5556576

more like that 😂

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-kali-linux-arch-linux-arch-girl-gif-24642405

[sharp oasis]

I'm not even gonna do that

I'll prolly just use stock linux

[tough owl]

I did that for like 3 weeks

[night girder]

you did what?

You turned off some girls router? On and off?

For 3 weeks.

[tough owl]

This

[mental oriole]

I cant stand that vocaloid sound.

[sharp oasis]

It's the turret form portal

I fixed the issue at end of vid

[mental oriole]

Still can't stand it.

[sharp oasis]

Lmao

[pure karma]

i have a plan #off-topic-media message

season starts in like 2 weeks so i could just cash in like 40k in 2 months and dip

[twin dew]

So if you use CPU without SSE 4.2, that happens...
And SSE 4.2 has been in Intel CPUs since Nehalem/Westmere (First gen Core i#-###) and in AMD CPUs since K10 (Phenom).
And it also said that the OS shouldn't even boot without SSE 4.2 anymore.

[sharp oasis]

Ahh

I mean

I managed to put win 11 on a core 2 quad

[twin dew]

That is new to the Win 11 24H2.

[sharp oasis]

Ahh

[twin dew]

That SSE4.2 is actually required, older ones don't need it.

[sharp oasis]

So all modern ryzen is unaffected

[twin dew]

Change in compile settings.

[sharp oasis]

I still don't like the idea of running ai

On my cpu

[twin dew]

Not really AI related.

That requirement change.

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

But the features they wanna add

Iirc they are trying to run it semi on the system itself

[twin dew]

Just changing the compiler optimization settings to be closer to the official requirements.

[jagged snow]

Why not?

Genuinely curious, not saying I'm a big proponent or anything

[twin dew]

Ok, not Phenom (SSE4a support), Bulldozer (SSE4.2 support).

But no, doesn't affect virtually any CPU made in last 12 years.

[sharp oasis]

I'm just seeing it as it could be an annoyance as idk if it will hit pref as I have file explorer open often

And I've heard they are trying to ai ify that

[jagged snow]

They are

Not sure how I feel about it

[sharp oasis]

I see it as a hit to pref if they are trying to make it run on cpu

[twin dew]

I just set GPO to completely disable CoPilot.

[jagged snow]

The idea is that we'll eventually have a separate npu on chip that does it, so it won't hit the cpu

[sharp oasis]

Plus this gives me a reason to look at arch Linux or something

[jagged snow]

Newer chips already have that, but support is limited

[sharp oasis]

I won't be like hyper tuning

Just Linux and figuring out how to sspt mod my gpu again

I'm not one of the ram finatics

I just don't want my cpu/gpu being eaten by in house ai

[jagged snow]

I'm not a huge fan of the ai-ification but I'd much rather it be local than on the cloud, especially if I have a dedicated npu

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

But I know my 5800X does not have an npu

So if it attempts to run it on the cores themsleves/gpu compute

It's gonna be a big hit to system pref

For gaming

[twin dew]

And why would it use any real CPU time when it hasn't been asked to do anything?

[sharp oasis]

I have file explorer to open some of my games...

So if it's open and present I assume it will still be trying to run whatever it is

[twin dew]

So? Even if there are CoPilot features in File Explorer.

[sharp oasis]

Plus. I don't know Microsofts intent with data here

So that makes me a bit more weaey

[twin dew]

And the File Explorer windows are just feature of the base "Explorer.exe", that runs the whole base GUI.

[sharp oasis]

Weary

[twin dew]

No extra processes are launched when you open File Explorer.

Unless you set extra setting to run every one of those as separate process.

[sharp oasis]

Ahh ye ig

I still have a few reasons to be weary of this rbh

What's Microsofts new ideas with the data handling

How haed is it to opt out

[twin dew]

Of course. Just stupid AI craziness.

[sharp oasis]

It might just be easier I look at Linux and using proton

I mean I have an amd gpu so it will work fine on amd

[twin dew]

Fortunately I run Windows Enterprise...

[sharp oasis]

I could get w10 LTSC

I have an image compiled

I just don't have a usb big enough

[dire igloo]

Sadly it's a required step before uploading adult firmware - and without that, the niece will stop functioning properly in a couple years.

It's best to create a safe environment for teenager firmware to work so it doesn't wreck the niece and then hope that the adult firmware update goes smoothly

[visual tree]

Was thinking of buying wireless earbuds but noticed almost everyone at work switched back to wired earbuds after using wireless ones for 6 months

Guess wireless earbuds aren't that good

[dire igloo]

Windows implementation of Bluetooth audio just sucks ass

[visual tree]

Still use wired earbuds that came with galaxy phone or tablet (don't remember exactly)

[edgy hazel]

this little show alone could've prolly housed and fed 5000 homeless people for a year

[sharp oasis]

I doubt that

[edgy hazel]

I really don't

[sharp oasis]

I do

[sharp oasis]

That's a pretty big number

[edgy hazel]

yeah

[sharp oasis]

And I really doubt the Su37 burnt that much fuel

In the entire clip and travel time to and from base

[edgy hazel]

oh the fuel is the cheap stuff here

[sharp oasis]

Imma go by usd

And average jet fuel

[edgy hazel]

alone the prep for that flight covers it

[sharp oasis]

Prep time would be 30min to an hour. I don't think that's covering 5 thousand people for a year

[twin dew]

10-30k$ per flight hour for the plane, fuel, maintenance and the salaries.

For US planes.

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

[twin dew]

In US Air Force.

[sharp oasis]

That's enough to house like 2 or so people

For a year at the high end

And not very well

[edgy hazel]

thank god it got spend on that

[sharp oasis]

I mean

Yell at the Russians

Not me.

[edgy hazel]

it's really unexcusable tbh

[sharp oasis]

I mean. In Canada it's been observed they don't care.

Some of the time.

And it's more fault on not trying to manage your economy better

A singular airshow has a negligible effect on a national scale

[edgy hazel]

ah so they only do one? Ever?

[sharp oasis]

Even with many

[edgy hazel]

and it's only airshows they're doing?

[sharp oasis]

Targeting pleasantries is not the way to fix a problem

[twin dew]

And usually they are also recruiting tool etc.

[sharp oasis]

Gets exposure. Shows cool things.

It's their choice what they do with their budget

[twin dew]

So yes, you might get some savings by not having airshow crew at all.
But then you would need to up the recruiting budget.
And the crew doing the airshows and training for them are active duty pilots and crew.

Just selected from the best in the specific country.

So each flight hour they do training and doing them is one less normal training flight hour.

[sharp oasis]

You would be better off pulling a Norway and nationalizing oil. To help aid in getting money to the people then stop all requirement shows and fairs.

[twin dew]

There would be lot that US Airforce & Navy could do to bring the cost per flight hour down, when for example Norway can fly the same plane as US, for half the cost per flight hour, with more expensive salaries.

But the basic maintenance in US system needs lot more people to do the same work.
Overspecialization of maintainers etc.

[wanton orchid]

btw over specialization main drawback is that these people can't communicate properly
it isolate everyone
and as usually their specialization are not well matched with random stuff of the job
it actually decrease the job quality dramatically because information does not flow
or does not flow fast or accurate enough for the job to be done correctly

and now you add bad organization and self interest conflicts to the mix

[twin dew]

In this case it is about that each maintainer is only trained to work on one specific aircraft subsystem.
So you have 10+ specializations.
When in most cases otherwise in aircrafts you have only 2-4 specializations.

And one person can be trained on multiple of those.

[wanton orchid]

and what I meant is that let say that there is a problem in between or both in : 2 different subsystem
here over specialization completely trash the job
because no one of the two persons knows how the other part works
and can claim the other part is the one failing

[twin dew]

So when Finland turns around a F-18, there is team of 3-5 people IIRC?
Which come from common pool for the base or the squadron.
When US turns around a fighter, there is often team of 10+ people, who are assigned to the specific plane and only work on that specific plane, not the others from same squadron.

So in Finland, once that one plane is back in air, the same people go work on next one.
In US, the people don't have anything to do.

But that might be misunderstanding on my part.

In US, planes have specific pilots, and the pilot only ever flies the specific plane, and IIRC the maintenance team is again per plane.
In almost any other country the pilots fly what is ready, and the ground crew works on whatever is there to be worked on.

And again IIRC in US, the people who do the plane preparations for flight are separate from the people who do the "heavy" maintenance.
In Finland the same people do both.
Prepare the planes for days training in the morning, and once the planes are in the air, go work on the planes that are in the hangar for maintenance, until the planes come back etc.

And much less contractor work on the planes.
Only the larger overhauls are done by Patria etc.
Where as in US lot more of the mid-level maintenance is outsourced to contractors.

But Finnish numbers cannot be really compared as we have large numbers of 1 year conscripts acting as assistant mechanics on the flight line etc.
Who don't really get paid (except full upkeep at barracks + tiny allowance), and the costs are just part of the overall conscription system.

Who in case of a war, would go back into that, swelling the pool of ground crew to level needed for actual war time flight tempo.

And some continue as contract soldiers in the same niche.

I meant the cost per flight hour numbers, not the amount of people.
What I stated included the conscripts.

[jagged snow]

I'm not familiar with the air force, that could be true for them. The navy and the coast guard operate on a different system though

[twin dew]

IIRC Navy has the same overspecialization, but without the possible per plane stuff.
And lesser split between the flightline and hangar maintainers.

[languid gulch]

just watched a vid on the F111 & how much the navy hated it

fresh tech meme from J2C on destroying his recalled 12VHPWR adapter

[cinder moon]

I'm having such a fun time right now..
This server's apparently (reportedly) booting with a kernel version that's not actually installed.

Nevermind, it looks like it's caused by a broken partition in a RAID.

[pure karma]

now thats my kind of power connector...

[tough owl]

lore accurate magicz gpu connector

[pliant aurora]

do you see them?

[sand saddle]

No

[jagged snow]

www.dpreview.com/news/3829200267/world-s-largest-camera-3-1-gigapixels-for-epic-timelapse-panos-of-the-universe

[tough owl]

Can’t wait for them to put this in my iPhone

[jagged snow]

Ccd sensors don't have much place in consumer applications nowadays

[jagged snow]

It's a mosaic of many small sensors

[tough owl]

More of a joke

[jagged snow]

I got the joke

It was funny
My statement wasn't really a direct response

[tough owl]

iphone 16 my beloved

[jagged snow]

Yes

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkZ-ajarTks

kinda shocked they did this

[jagged snow]

Yes and no

[tough owl]

i have a pair of wireless hyperx

they were like 50 usd iirc

and its a cheapgaming headset and its fine for what it is

turs out I paid a lot more than i thought for mine

https://a.co/d/cYs57O8

i bought these for like 80

[mental oriole]

Audio codec is usually 💩

[twin dew]

Bluetooth audio at base level only has to support horrible codec.
And everything above is optional and the manufacturers need to pay licensing costs to include them.
So the ecosystem is very fractured on what supports what above that baseline.

SBC is the baseline, then AAC, LDAC, aptX, aptX HD, possibly others.

Both the sender and the receiver need to support the same one.

[wanton orchid]

my biggest frustration from Bluetooth audio
is the seemingly infinit amount of stupid or bug implementation of either the audio routing, the operating mode or the codec negotiation

very common that it does not get microphone
or select bad codec randomly
or take times to switch
or completely fuck the audio volume level handling (like doing both in data and absolute device volume control, simultaneously, on a retarded scale)

[edgy hazel]

for on the go bt audio is enough for me. I don't need super high end audio on the bus. At home it's wired or nothing

[twin dew]

Because Bluetooth either supports mic and mono audio, or stereo audio without mic.
So default is to use stereo audio, and switch to mic + mono on demand.

In most current implementations.

[dire igloo]

Still uses good drivers

[mental oriole]

Same for me basically.

[night girder]

same.

[sand saddle]

Lmao discord canary got the same problem now but the regular discord started working so I've switched back.

[mental oriole]

Wireless if you can get a good codec (24/32bit quality) and a decent bitrate (48k or higher)
And don't even try using voice and audio at the same time because then quality goes to 💩 (usually 16bit on two channels, and that's why it sounds trash)

[sand saddle]

Gosh I'm stupid, it wasn't the drivers.
It was my undervolt that got fucked due to an automatic msi afterburner update that limited my GPU to like 30C or smth.

And since the undervolt gets applied on each reboot, it was obviously fucking everything up.
And the GPU driver reinstall simply reset the GPU to default, which is one of the reasons my PC was noisier than I was used to.

[tribal kraken]

Is dead CMOS battery often reason for no boot?

[sand saddle]

Shouldn't be

[twin dew]

CMOS battery should only be used in todays computers when PSU isn't even in standby mode.

[tribal kraken]

That's what I think too but promised to look a non booting Z370/8700k/RTX3080

[twin dew]

And empty one in any PC should only reset RTC and BIOS settings.
And in "modern" MBs, even that only if the standby power was lost too.

[tribal kraken]

The owner had tried to swap ram and test with only 1 stick. But did not have seated the sticks properly

I just pushed the ram all the way in and now it boots, put in new battery after I noticed that bios resets and clock is 2016

The non boot condition was no signal from GPU, MB leds on and fans spinning. POST state DRAM led was on. That was the reason swapping the sticks

Guess I will just enable XMP and run memtest, if no errors, then just game on.

[rocky canyon]

what is this?

[twin dew]

That you are in completely wrong place.
You are talking about Satisfactory and have incompatible mods in FactoryGame\Mods directory.

[rocky canyon]

oh

ok thanks

[twin dew]

This is one of the off-topic channel.

[rocky canyon]

can you send the the discord

[twin dew]

Somewhat right Discord, just one of the two "no Satisfactory" off-topic channels...
There is also Satisfactory Modding Discord, #welcome

[rocky canyon]

ok thanks

[wanton orchid]

I still don't get why one would go to the last channel of the list after skipping information section and satisfactory section
is it the info is missing in information ?

[sand saddle]

One of the great mysteries

[pure karma]

well duh wireless is kinda trash

id rather have 14 difrent usb extentions then use wireless

[fossil spoke]

This Factorio blog post really helped me understand the many obstacles one can encounter when adding support for multiple operating systems.
https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-408

I love when developers give verbose explanations of challenges they face and how things work. It's so interesting to me

[visual tree]

I need this in my home: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r0MTs8aALc

Or setup fireworks around my house and play this on a speaker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO9x0y5lqD0

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A7cykj0pCg

1 hour, cost GN $40k to produce

[pure karma]

i feel like this is likely how you guys thought i was building my pc and I'm not sure that's exactly a good thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqvyGqoO5Ag&list=PLUzVLcVEkB-wtlboPbpR6f7HS2Mc5VYvU&index=73&ab_channel=TheNStew

[sharp oasis]

Ain't that how you do it tho

Kidding dw

[pure karma]

cant forget to use the intel sticker as thermal paste

[sharp oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-cleaning-washing-broken-gif-26248926

Pov Magic's pc

[sharp oasis]

Just stop breaking stupp

Stuff. And heed the suggestions we have for you

Alot of it may help with future or current issues

[pure karma]

well the explosive battery is an exception at my own risk but what where even the others again 📝

[sharp oasis]

Iirc we mentioned time after time about getting a contact frame to help thermals a bit

/ RMA the rad when you had issues.

[pure karma]

im still trying to get my hands on one

[sharp oasis]

I mean

Search up LGA1700 contact frame on amazon

[pure karma]

i also need a vertical mount for sag

[sharp oasis]

Ooor

[pure karma]

just its 250$

[sharp oasis]

Just get a gpu support

It's $10 and does the same job

[pure karma]

i have one but its shit and dosent screw in because the motherboard is too chonky

[sharp oasis]

www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/CPU-Contact-Frame/S-TG-CF-i13G

[sharp oasis]

I have one that magnets onto my psu shroud

There are a few that screw onto the PCIe extension slots

For like $25 on amazon

[languid gulch]

was that cream cheese for thermal paste

[tough owl]

Creamy cheese 😍

[tough owl]

40k is nuts for a video

[languid gulch]

after watching all of it, i can believe it

feel like half of it went to protection to be able to pull off what they were able to find

[tough owl]

they went to romania

thats pretty impressive

oh slovenia

[tough owl]

its getting so bad were seeing steves gray hair come out

[mental oriole]

Yours don't look like that?

[languid gulch]

ngl doing my first pc build didn't look like that, but it sure felt like that

socketing the ram & the 24 pin took a very uncomfortable amount of force

[twin dew]

Shouldn't be possible, as they aren't larger than the socket?
But the point is that you need to remove the normal CPU mounting mechanism and replace it with the contact frame.

[jagged snow]

Yup, I thought I was going to break the mobo

[languid gulch]

i still haven't unplugged/replugged a 24 pin while it's mounted in a case

[edgy hazel]

I did. It's not nice

0/5 ⭐

[jagged snow]

Yeah, do not recommend

I did it with the cpu cooler on once

[tough owl]

12vo or whatever that new standard is please 🙏

[languid gulch]

i finally ended up bleeding for my pc when i installed my latest cooler

[winged valley]

Okay guys this decision is 50/50 and i'm using you all as a coin toss

Wait i'm dumb

Its the port not the charger

God I hate Dell

[edgy hazel]

welcome to the club

[twin dew]

So laptop that only supports USB-C charging in some of the ports?

Pretty common.

[winged valley]

They put the voltage on an inner circumfrence plane instead of the pin in the center because GOD FORBID the customer uses a NON DELL CHARGER

[twin dew]

Ah, three-surface "barrel" plugs are pretty common in laptop chargers.
Ground, power, communication.

[winged valley]

Is that so?

[twin dew]

Yes.

[winged valley]

HP's blue tip barrel plug is positive negative. That or the communication is the inner plane

Pin positive, outer negative

[twin dew]

Lenovo has old large round type, new small round type for cheap laptops, and retangle one for most laptops.
All with ground outside, power inside and communication center pin.

For example.

[winged valley]

Interesting

Well regardless

The nature of HP's blue tip being 2-plane (or at least the inverse of dell')

[twin dew]

If there is inner metal to the barrel, then it isn't standard barrel plug

[winged valley]

Explains why the dell charger, despite having full voltage, doesn't supply voltage to the HP laptop

Bc the HP laptop expects voltage on the pin

[edgy hazel]

another W for USB-C

[winged valley]

Yep just re-confirmed. HP blue tip is pos neg

Pos pin neg outer

Which again explains why this perfectly fine dell charger doesn't work on the HP, the port simply isn't designed to take voltage on an inner plane

[twin dew]

Yeah, laptop chargers really aren't interchangeable between manufacturers, as the connectors and pinouts are different.

[winged valley]

Which also means the reason this perfectly fine (I think) dell laptop won't recognize power from the equally perfectly fine dell charger, is because the third party port the guy installed is probably for standard barrel plug

Though, unless dell is scummier than I remember, that wouldn't explain why it won't charge the battery

Easy way to check, gonna probe voltage on the port

[twin dew]

HP also has 3 surfaces.
With center pin as communication.

In several of their latest charger plug types.

But the communication is probably incompatible.

[winged valley]

dell laptops do

[twin dew]

In very simplific way.

For safety, to not overload a power brick.

And so that the power brick doesn't output anything until something is connected.

[winged valley]

Blue tip might just be a visual indicator of form factor then, not pinout

Bc iirc blue tip is their current latest barrel plug

And the one I have which is genuine HP, is pos neg

[twin dew]

Yes, the color is just identification.
That any charger with that is interchangeable, but if you use lower power one, the laptop can throttle to keep in the power budget.

For that Lenovo Yellow plug (both retangle and older large round one):

So the laptop knows how much power the charger can give, and limits the pull to that.

[winged valley]

okay maybe his charger is dead

and the ports fine

Because now the charger doesn't have voltage anymore

Man why do I always get the weird shit

[twin dew]

Might have failed from the wrong connection.
Or might be that it doesn't turn on without that correct communication connection.

[winged valley]

Maybe, maybe not

Back to square one

Port or charger? My money's on charger

I just know I've seen this output voltage

Dell is just the worst

(and I really need to build up charger stock)

Still trying to find a vendor for bulk laptop stuff tho, mobilesentrix is great for phones but nothing else. And I don't want to sell used chargers

[twin dew]

And in Finland you can get this, other similar ones, or most of the official chargers for last 10 years easily in retail:
nedis.com/en-us/product/computer-and-mobile/power-supply/universal-and-notebook-chargers/550705895/notebook-adapter-90-w-185-19-195-20-v-dc-60-a-type-f-cee-77

German, not French.

That specific one was just something that is carried by most bargain hall type places etc.
So there are 2+ stores with that in stock in most Finnish cities.
And the official chargers are easy to order via internet for mail delivery from online computer retailers.

[night girder]

www.igorslab.de/en/intel-releases-the-13th-and-14th-generation-k-sku-processor-instability-issue-update/

Intel blames boardmakers

For stavbilitt issues with 13 and 14th gzn

Bzcause the default of the boards arent within the specs of intel

While the root cause has not yet been identified, Intel® has observed the majority of reports of this issue are from users with unlocked/overclock capable motherboards.
Intel® has observed 600/700 Series chipset boards often set BIOS defaults to disable thermal and power delivery safeguards designed to limit processor exposure to sustained periods of high voltage and frequency, for example:

“Intel® requests system and motherboard manufacturers to provide end users with a default BIOS profile that matches Intel® recommended settings.”

[dire igloo]

And once those recommended settings are used, your performance tanks
https://youtu.be/OdF5erDRO-c

[night girder]

if you run intel recommend settings, do you get the performance intel promised? If yes, I dont see Intel in the wrong here.

If people OC cpu, then wreck it for better performance I dont care. It does matter if intel says: run these settings to get this performance, and the perfomance isn’t met.

[dire igloo]

Does Intel even advertise any performance?

[languid gulch]

also: what a way to try to throw the mobo manufacturers under the fucking bus

[night girder]

If volvo says my car has 200hp default and it doesnt have 200hp its an issue. If my volvo on default ha 200hp but I messed to get more performance. Can I blame volvo?

Man, my mobo fried my CPU too.

As if mobo companies dont fuck up constantly

[languid gulch]

if volvo says your car has 200hp, but then after 12,000km it now maxxes out at 120hp, i think you might be a bit upset

[night girder]

If thats the case with intel but not what I read

Intel: mobo defaults are not what we say are defaults.

🤷‍♂️

[languid gulch]

it sounds like intel hasn't been giving adequate default settings for the mobos to stick to, so they just let everything loose on it except the multiplier

[twin dew]

Nah, the spec is clear, but the MB makers don't do them by default to get better performance.
So when there is MB comparison at defaults, their board would stand out.

[night girder]

Why does intel need to be given defaults? They set out the defaults of their 13/14 gen CPU, if mobo overclocks out of the box 🤷‍♂️

[languid gulch]

oh so it's both intel & mobo makers' fault

[twin dew]

And even add intentional features to go around limits that you cannot usually tune.
And can set them to be on by default.

[night girder]

No

Mobo fault

[twin dew]

Multicore turboboost things that go around the normal CPU boost table limitations for multicore etc.

[night girder]

Intel hasnt done anything wrong what I read about it

[languid gulch]

i mean, there need to be some kind of minimum & maximum specs for the mobo makers to land between

[twin dew]

Both IMHO.
MB makers not using the stock settings.
But also some of the CPUs are unstable even at that stock, just smaller amount.

So the Intel turbo tables are too close to the actual limit.

And MB that doesn't follow the spec is in higher risk of causing the CPU to be unstable.

[night girder]

Mobo manufacturers need to stop messing and ocing out of the box. Its annoying.

[twin dew]

Because higher the current swings are, more headroom there needs to be in the turbo table.

[languid gulch]

intel was wrong for not publishing adequate specs to stick to, & the mobo makers are wrong for not demanding them. split liability

[night girder]

Give people a good foundation (defaults) to start with. And let them decide to overclock or not.

[twin dew]

Intel published very clear spec. MB makers just didn't follow.
But the turbo table burning to the CPUs doesn't have enough margin either, so with some silicon there isn't enough at stock either.

[night girder]

How do you know they didnt give good specs?

Where is source?

[languid gulch]

intel declaring that the only part that counts as overclocking to be the multiplier is absolute bullshit

[dire igloo]

The fact we're having this discussion in the first place.
And that Intel now released those specific modifications

[twin dew]

The spec for MB makers: edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/products/platforms/details/raptor-lake-s/13th-generation-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/009/introduction/

[night girder]

Intel sends specs to companies of mobo not us

[languid gulch]

it's either that or intel needs to admit that if the CPU is "overclocked" by default, then it's not technically overclocked at all, & is still under warranty

[night girder]

Do you think they make mobo blind without specs?

[twin dew]

Well, part of the spec.

[languid gulch]

given the complaints about silicon degradation caused by it, maybe

it sounds like more investigation is needed

[twin dew]

Silicon always degrades in use.
How fast is dependant on voltage and temperature.
And when that starts causing issues depends on that margin left between what is needed and what is asked by the turbo table.

[languid gulch]

right but degrading before the next gen comes out without touching a single setting sounds like a bit much

[twin dew]

Which is what is Intels fault side.
Going too close to the limit in the programmed turbo tables to get more performance at stock.

And causing the natural degradation to cause issues way too soon for X percent of the CPUs.

[tribal kraken]

My "new" 13900K has been fine and stable for a year now. "New" meaning that I had to RMA first one after 6 months.

[languid gulch]

who knew slamming 150 volts thru a cpu would fry it?

[tribal kraken]

Dunno if the retailer was used to RMA those CPU:s as they sent me new one before the old was in their hands, just based on my fault description

The new one I delidded instantly (so no warranty on it anymore). EK direct die cooling, which was pain to get properly work.

[languid gulch]

it reminds me of my first car that went thru 3 alternators in 6 months. sure, it ran fine. until it didn't

[visual tree]

ISP just brought a fiber distribution cabinet near my house and called the police because the crazy neighbor won't let the contractors install the cabinet

This is going to be interesting lol

[mental oriole]

🍿

[pure karma]

i was talking about the crap gigabyte gpu mount (the standoff threaded bit is too short to reach the threaded holes on the case)

[dire igloo]

Trying to replicate this chaos with two YT videos rn

[night girder]

Do I even want to know 😂

[maiden coyote]

wifi is such a strange thing. sometimes transfer speeds will be a sawtooth wave going from 40-10 MB/s othertimes it's a curvy line around 60MB/s

[grim panther]

https://www.coffeestainstudios.com/ seems down? Has it been already down for a while or has it just happened?

Maybe an update to the website to announce the release? (sowing the seeds of rumours)

[jagged snow]

It's down

[tough owl]

503 error my beloved

game was updated semi recently

[twin dew]

Last U8 patch before christmas.

Ah, you mean the internal builds.

CSS is using Steam as part of the internal development toolkit.

[grim panther]

3 days ago... this was the day when they released this tweet:
https://x.com/SatisfactoryAF/status/1783823547263013314

Satisfactory 💥 (@SatisfactoryAF) on X

Twitter · Apr 26, 2024, 11:40 AM

coincidence? correlation?

website apparently went down at the 25th

[night girder]

I still can't wrap my head around the fact they just going to do a little bit of beta testing with closed group and then release game 😒

instead of keeping things as they are; patches goes live so when can give feedback on bugs/stability.

Now nobody knows in what state the game will be released, so weird. After all this time having a close feedback loop with community and the last stretch they go wild wild west.

but that's not a discussion for tech talk though 😄

[grim panther]

I am ambivalent about it. On the one hand, I'm happy not to be spoiled, but on the other hand, it would certainly be good for stability to have more testers. However, I am confident that CSS has learned enough from the many beta releases to be able to estimate this properly.

[night girder]

I don't know, I've seen the same bugs for years. With the promise of a fix. But I never saw the fix.

So now we just have to hope they fix everything they promised they fix? We have no more way to test it out and see how the product is. I mean, I had my money worth already with the game. So even if they burn it into the ground, it was money well spent 😄

[maiden coyote]

Thousands of hours spent enjoying it, can't really complain if they decide to kill it if at this point either

[jagged snow]

I will be keeping a backup of u8 just in case

[tough owl]

google now owns the domain ai.com

before it was OpenAI then it was X now google owns it

[maiden coyote]

but nivida owns the ai

keeping a backup isn't a bad idea. I wouldn't know how to make it run without steam though

[jagged snow]

It's actually super simple

The game is drm free

[night girder]

That's smart.

[tough owl]

can confirm

[wanton orchid]

depends on how things are moving around and if other things are transmitting / interfering or not

[tough owl]

heh limited it to 6 cpu threads

[maiden coyote]

very likely interference from the neighbors cable ISP box. reasons to get 5g blocking paint lol

[wanton orchid]

"5g paint" sounds more trouble than wiring

[maiden coyote]

They make rf blocking paint.

It's stupid expensive. I suppose it should be called rf attenuation paint.

[tough owl]

wccftech.com/fortnite-return-to-ipad-later-this-year/

[night girder]

I am so confused, I trusted a certificate with Safari. And it all works. But now I can't find the certificate in my keychain access

So, Apple stored the certificate somewhere, and the place that manages all certificates doesn't have it. 🤔

Reported in 2022: discussions.apple.com/thread/254000227

Ok, I was able to fix it. So added certificate manually to keychain. Then deleted it. Now I get warning back in safari.

Another bug it seems, it was stored, somewhere, but not in keychain. Putting the certificate manually in my keychain seemed to overwrite the invisible one.

[pure karma]

not to jinx anything but i believe the battery nuke might be less of a nuke than it sends signals to be

[twin dew]

Buildzoid rambling, 4 videos so far, with this as the first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yatSqh5hRA

[pure karma]

also we may have a second battery on the lose it skyrocketed up like 20% wear in a day aswell

but unlike mine it hasent restablised yet...

[twin dew]

And based on this, the problem can be in 20% of 1x700 and 1x900 CPUs for 13th and 14th gen.

[night girder]

what problem?

[twin dew]

Too aggressive VID table, so the CPUs aren't stable at MB stock in specific loads.

Too little voltage at high frequencies and high temperatures.

[night girder]

oh, still about the mobo's putting in bad defaults

[twin dew]

With the fact that Intel only recommends, and doesn't force, power and current limits on MB makers.

[twin dew]

And that has been OK to Intel.
AMD doesn't allow the same on AMD MBs, but forces MB makers to use the actual spec as defaults.

[night girder]

Eh ... I might have a different experience 😛

But must say, hadn't have a crash for 2 months now.

[twin dew]

PBO isn't enabled as default.

AFAIK.

[night girder]

Last was 23/03/2024

Now I still have the 7800X3D unboxed here as backup.

But yeah, something went wrong for me between mobo and cpu. (AMD)

[twin dew]

Yeah, ASRock was/is doing something weird with their AM5 MB defaults.

Next after that one: "Ranting about intel's 13th & 14th gen Vcore load line "specifications""
Then: "Gigabyte's Intel baseline profile runs some ABSOLUTELY INSANE core voltages."

[thick radish]

Intel keeps showing reasons they can't be trusted

Not that AMD is better, but it seems like a "wins by doing absolutely nothing" moment

[pure karma]

the highest precet that isn't instant 6GHZ is still only about 1.3V default i believe and default fluctuates at around 1.25V if i remember corectly

considering my 13700K no longer boots at 1.2V that seems about as reasonable as it gets

for gigabyte that is

[twin dew]

Not the default profile.
What get applied when you set that "failsafe" setting one that is told to be used for the unstable ones.

[tough owl]

You’ve cooked your cpu

[jagged snow]

Wow, what a surprise 😐

[tough owl]

[twin dew]

And based on quick skim, the board tested hits the Intel "Max Voltage" spec of 1.72V VCore.

With that baseline profile.

[jagged snow]

I'm in shock, I can't believe Magic killed hardware

[twin dew]

5.7GHZ and 1.440V in BIOS.

14900K as CPU.

That at MB defaults, where that specific CPU isn't stable.

Yeah, hitting this:

With single change from MB defaults.
"Turbo Power Limits" from "Auto" to "Intel Baseline"

Ok, only 1.670V VRM Out in single-thread.
At first test.

1.500V in 4-core test.

But that voltage is significantly higher than in older Intel CPUs.

[grim panther]

damn, i think i bricked a mainboard.

[tough owl]

I feel like there’s two groups of people here. One that knows computers and actually understands them and how to properly use them. And the other that knows computers but doesn’t know how to properly use them and theres really no in between

[grim panther]

just like anywhere else. The biggest problem is that people tend to consider themselves to be in the other group

[tough owl]

I have one irl friend that’s thinks he understands computers and then explains his logic for using edge over any other browser and i just sit there and lose brain cells by the second

[grim panther]

sounds like one of my work colleagues.

[tough owl]

But has issues with helldivers anti cheat but not vanguard or eac or battleye

[grim panther]

from my experience, developers are the worst and tend to stay on mount stupid of dunning-kruger

[sharp oasis]

Bruhhhhhhh

And here's my cpu for certain games having to stay up at 5.05ghz on 4cores to keep up with the game. But doing it safely

It's only boosting that high on a pretty low core count load

And it's only using 1.37v to do so

Sometimes spikes of 1.4

But within spec of amds PBO

@twin dew I have a really odd issue that only happens the odd time. It's a WSoD but only occurring after I've sent the ACPI shutdown or restart signal. And it's only happened twice but I have been unable to trace it. What could be causing it at that exact time.

So it's not like the PC is stuck. It finishes it's reboot or shut down without issue

Is it a gpu issue/ driver issue/ what

Drivers are latest and clean install

Haven't had a whea in months

System is stable

[rustic panther]

Isn't the dunning-kruger effect fun?

In my experience the second group comes in either people who worry too much or people who buy new hardware and then break it by overclocking or doing wacky custom shit for no good reason

[tough owl]

is that what its called?

this thing?

[rustic panther]

Yeah, when you know a little and you overestimate your skills

[rustic panther]

Yes!

[tough owl]

man I need to use this more

perfectly describes a lot of situations in life

[rustic panther]

Oh god it does

You're not immune to it either and neither am I

[grim panther]

This is the most tricky part of it

[rustic panther]

Being aware of it helps

[grim panther]

getting aware of it hurts 😭

[tough owl]

yessir

[rustic panther]

Thinking, Fast and Slow by Kahneman is also a fun book

[winged valley]

Hmm this is strange

Fax printer wont fax because it thinks there's no connection. Passthrough to a phone also doesn't work. The cable is fine because both the phone and another printer work connected to that cable, and both the line-in port and the passthrough port can continuity between each other

Very very strange

At first I thought maybe a fuse or cap blew but if passthrough has cont then something else is wrong

[twin dew]

Are the pins short circuited together?
Which would explain that.

[winged valley]

Pins aren't shorted, at least on the exterior

I'll be opening the module later today

Although here's something else weird

Right pin on line in has cont on left pin of passthrough and vice versa

Not sure if it matters or not, I'll be looking up that spec later

But that seems to me like a reversal

[twin dew]

So not shorted together then.

[winged valley]

No short

[twin dew]

At least at the multimeter test voltage, might still be at the phone line voltage.

Which is tens of volts.

[winged valley]

Mmm that could be problematic lol

I don't have a variable power supply and nobody I know has a landline

I'll figure something out

[twin dew]

What are you trying to do?

[winged valley]

Plug in landline then test voltage on passthrough

Or, wait no I think I already did that and I got nothing

Back at the guy's house

Yeah I did already try that

So then yeah definitely something went bad on the fax board

Thank you for rubber duckying me

[twin dew]

Yeah, 48+ V DC idle in landline.

[winged valley]

Well that's on the outer pins right?

[twin dew]

So most likely shorted overvoltage protection component.

[winged valley]

This printer is only center pins

[twin dew]

No, the two inner ones are the first pair.

The outer pins are second pair, if there is two lines to the house.

Usually not connected.

[winged valley]

Well that's bizzare then, because the cable only registered 0.4 volts. Perhaps I wasn't getting a good connection?

Because again, that cable was tested directly into a phone and into another fax printer and both worked

This was after I read the low voltage

[twin dew]

Most multimeter probes don't fit into the modular connectors slots to reach into the actual metal.

[winged valley]

Gotcha so I was probably making a bad connection then

[twin dew]

Without being in absolutely right orientation and with lot of force even then.

[winged valley]

Either way, no voltage on passthrough means board bad

Big thanks

One day I'll be good at printers

[pure karma]

ahh yes because the chip using more voltage not even hitting the clocks and performance that is advertised is a me issue

[sharp oasis]

Concern

[sharp oasis]

yeah kinda

not diagnosing an issue that was reported

to the world

[pure karma]

what the voltage and wattage limit delete motherboard manufacturers have been doing?

i dont care about that i care that im not able to use the advertised max clock speeds because the chip says otherwise

[sharp oasis]

are they

advertizes as max boost frequency

if so thats MOST LIKELY SINGLE THREAD CASE SINARIO

[pure karma]

5100mhz on the p-cores and 4200mhz on the e-cores i believe is what the maxes are on default bios settings

[twin dew]

What CPU?

[pure karma]

13700K

[rustic panther]

You tried to run it at 5.4ghz all-core didn't you

[sharp oasis]

my 5800X would just Whea if i tried

[twin dew]

5400MHz on two preferred cores, 5300MHz on all P-cores (in theory, in non-AVX load).
Less with AVX in the mix.
And almost all current stress tests use AVX if you don't disable that.

[rustic panther]

Yep

[twin dew]

If not temperature or power limited.

That 5100MHz seems to be what the P-core all-core should be with AVX2 in use.

[rustic panther]

I think if you throw an all-core load into the mix it'll downclock after a bit anyway, because of the above

If you'd lock all P-cores at 5400mhz, how stupid would that be?

I'm not an overclocker :V

[twin dew]

Well, you throw power efficiency in the wind and the idle etc. power will go way up...

And that isn't needed, as Intel allows you to offset the max multiplier.

[rustic panther]

Assume you have not built a PC for this load and you did it while hopped up on dunning-kruger effect

[pure karma]

would doing that and then disabling the e-cores be better for day to day use or no?

or atleast 5300mhz

[twin dew]

No?
You don't do static OC except for benchmarking...

[rustic panther]

lol

[sharp oasis]

Lollll

[rustic panther]

Lmao even

[tough owl]

and when they are maxed this is the power it should draw, and if your aio is broken then good luck disapating that much heat

[twin dew]

And after less than a minute it will drop to that 125W, (if not overridden by MB).

[tough owl]

and if all core load is placed you better believe its not running max speeds under BASE power

[twin dew]

And then there is still those lower turbo maxes for AVX loads.

[tough owl]

which intel doesnt display but thats besides the point

[rustic panther]

But if you are astronomically idiotic and put your clocks hardlocked at 5400mhz like Magic probably did, yeah it'll kill your PC unless that's your plan all along and you actually build your build around it, and even then I'd imagine it'd be more of a gimmick than an actually usable build

[pure karma]

5100mhz p and 4400mhz e at 220W is what the Mb defaults sets it to

or atleast for me in this case

[twin dew]

What is the basis for that "5100"MHz?

[pure karma]

and it nerver goes down to base power unless load is just straight up removed

[twin dew]

That is because the MB is doing no max power, ever, as default.
Which has been talked here for past week or so.

[pure karma]

well im at double that

[twin dew]

That there isn't a power limit...

But what did you use to determine that the CPU as stock never boosts past 5100MHz?

[pure karma]

because the bios says so

in system info it says 13700K 5100,4400

[twin dew]

And that is probably without those last few boost stages included.
As Intel Turbo has ton of different modes on top.

So you never actually checked what the CPU boosts to stock...

[pure karma]

5600 and 4400 was the out of box never touched the bios before sensor read and that was before i even had the 4070ti in it or any gpu at all for that matter, then it droped to the normal 5300,4200 and for a while now its been at 5100,4400

and under multicore loads obviously it drops to like 3000mhz and then just either dies or runs unstable

[twin dew]

You are still using that broken AIO?

[pure karma]

yea

[twin dew]

...

[pure karma]

also just double checked it is in fact not following the base tdp at all on default bios settings

temps are perfect all things considered so it would have no reason to aggressively clock down

voltage is chilling anywhere between 1.25V-1.35V

[rustic panther]

That looks normal if I can read the specsheet correctly

[winged valley]

weird

The link is legit, no weird characters I ran it through whois and its the actual german gov site

[dire igloo]

not actual german government

just a website that lists german laws

and it's not German human rights laws, it's the German constitution

starts with "Human dignity is inviolable"

[rustic panther]

#open-a-ticket ?

[winged valley]

To be fair I didn't really read much past that

[winged valley]

Nah

[rotund hamlet]

yeah do it, this guy is obviously just trying to cause trouble

[dire igloo]

my GPU did a funneh

[tough owl]

kurve

[tough owl]

www.androidauthority.com/rabbit-r1-is-an-android-app-3438805/

[jagged snow]

You couldn't tell right off the bat that it was just a custom android skin?

[tough owl]

oh i could but at least add some sort of code to the apk to not let it work on other non r1 devices

[sharp oasis]

@twin dew sorry to disturb the vram clock falling to 0 is a gpu soc issue/

[jagged snow]

Yeah... that would be way more attention to detail than they seem to have

[tough owl]

doesnt it just use gpt4 as its ai it calls too as well?

[jagged snow]

Yup

[tough owl]

💀

[jagged snow]

It's literally just a hardware device dedicated to run single app that makes api calls to someone elses service

[tough owl]

so you need a sim plan and a monthly sub to pay for the gpt4 fee?

[jagged snow]

With the humane pin, those are included in the subscription for the pin

Not sure about the r1

But the humane pin is something like 20 bucks a month on top of the $700 initial price

[tough owl]

youre telling me this costs like nothing to make

(runs android though on something)

and somehow they can afford all the gpt4 requests?

THEY PUT A MediaTek MT6765 OCTA-CORE IN HERE TO RUN AN APK APP

[jagged snow]

That's why the battery life is so bad\

[jagged snow]

Voice processing is onboard

[tough owl]

128 FOR A CLOUD BASED ASSISTANT???

ok sure the chip is a 16nm from 2018 but still

[jagged snow]

It's literally a low-mid spec phone

[tough owl]

oh yea but like this does not need to run android 😭

run it on like an esp32 or something

[jagged snow]

Except the battery is only 1000mah

[tough owl]

horribly inefficient soc with bad battery 👍 good job guys 👏

[jagged snow]

Yup

Supposedly it needs 3-4 charges daily even without use

[tough owl]

no deep sleep support 💀

[jagged snow]

Won't even last overnight when idle

[tough owl]

theres no way this is profitable

[jagged snow]

Yeah, it's actually a genuinely terrible product

Just get the chatgpt app

[tough owl]

at least the humaine ai pin at least had a high cost and a subscription to at least bring money in

[jagged snow]

bom has to be insanely low

[tough owl]

but still

gpt 4 is $20 a month

theres no way this is going to have access to it for more than 18 months

10/10 google thank you

[jagged snow]

Maybe they're using 3.5

[tough owl]

has image dectetion

its 4

maybe thats done locally??

[jagged snow]

I highly doubt it

[tough owl]

i mean apple opened source small ai models they were working on that can easily be run locally

[jagged snow]

On an soc less than 6 years old 💀

[tough owl]

this is def gonna be running locally on iphones with ios18

im just so confused why we need dedicated ai assistances outside of homepods, alexas, and google homes

[jagged snow]

I really don't understand the drive for it either

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-16565229595323670098

[sharp oasis]

My soc is not having fun rn

[jagged snow]

You can mount them? I thought they just sat on your desk

[wanton orchid]

this makes me cringe

[tough owl]

Yea I’m a weirdo and I mount them

[tough owl]

im beginning to hate my airpods and its charging case not charging airpods

[jagged snow]

That's a problem with a lot of wireless earbuds once they start to wear out

[tough owl]

mine is barely a year old

ill have to do some research as to better ones

[tough owl]

docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-402213A1.pdf

man i love the USA

[jagged snow]

Why is that so incredibly slow to load lol

How large is that pdf?

[tough owl]

2 whole pages

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah, I saw that

Better late than never I guess

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdZt7ox1DDs i saw the louis video

I suspected this to be the case that it was happening but im kinda glad now its a legit thing that theyve been found doing and the fact that its publicized

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah, it's one of those things where there really is no way to avoid being tracked altogether, the best you can do is choose who tracks you

[tough owl]

time to setup my own voip service

[sharp oasis]

could fix the clock strech

[stray badger]

same happened to my linkbuds s. i get 5 mins of play now

they were soooo good before that tho

[tough owl]

nothing buds look appealing

but so do the fairbuds but they dont sell em in america

[twin dew]

FCC radio interference testing would probably cost too much for expected sales.

Reason for lot of products which you would expect to have intergrated WIFI or cellular to instead use m.2 modules instead.
So they don't need to be tested and certified.

As the cost of that certification is in six figure range AFAIK.

[languid gulch]

looks like KSP2 development just died

[twin dew]

Because there hasn't been update in several months?
When next update is supposed to be pretty big?

[languid gulch]

nope

they just laid off all the staff

[twin dew]

Ok, then.

[edgy hazel]

KSP2 and CS2, both success stories

[twin dew]

Doesn't seem to have hit the KSP2 team?

[languid gulch]

2 weeks ago

the company just filed its notification in WA state of laying off 70 employees (aka all of them)

[twin dew]

Ah, yeah, multiple rounds.

And the KSP2 team just got hit in the latest with no warning.

[languid gulch]

oh sorry, not layoff, closure

esd.wa.gov/about-employees/WARN

4/29

[twin dew]

Meant at Take-Two level.

But KSP2 team was the only T2 team in WA.

[languid gulch]

just sucks

i had really high hopes for a "build your own civilization literally from the ground up" space game with maybe some mmo stuff

complete with all the kerbal stupidity along with it

[twin dew]

Just that KSP2 seems to have been pretty broken so people weren't paying to get into the EA, and instead kept waiting for it to mature.

So Take-Two decided to cut their losses instead of seeing if the revenue would increase with time...

[languid gulch]

at least in the beginning, i felt a lot of the comparisons to ksp1 to be unfair, as it seems like a lot of it was of a "ksp1 now vs brand-new EA ksp2". but yea, management & investment has completely ruined it

ksp1 is still probably one of the most adaptable & amazing physics space game that's (at least in base) not a shooter

[twin dew]

At this time KSP1 was the better choice for most players IMHO.

KSP2 had promise, but it wasn't ready for most.

[languid gulch]

it still is. the mods for it are absolutely incredible

[twin dew]

I meant that with time KSP2 would probably matured to be better than KSP1.

[languid gulch]

base game's still plenty good, but the mods really make it hard to compete with

[twin dew]

The backend improvements were huge to fix the engine issues in KSP1.

[languid gulch]

ksp2 could have, but it seems like there's not enough people in management willing to wait around for it

and now i'm copying my SF over to another drive in case they feel like nuking coffee stain

no hints of it, but also some T2 people were saying they were fine until yesterday

[tough owl]

Nuking coffee stain???