satisfactory

[abstract heron]

Mods only work for now In 1,1 idk when in 1.2

[terse acorn]

You could just go into the blueprint folder where the game saves the two files for each blueprint and delete it there

[gleaming wasp]

there isn't a setting to do it in-game?

darn

[cursive topaz]

my guys im on mac, running the game in crossover right, i didnt think modding was going to work cus mod managers almost never work, but it works perfectly as a native application i am flabbergasted

[crude canyon]

there is
press q, blueprints, edit

[abstract heron]

Ya yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttyyttttteyeyeyeyeyeddefefeefefef

[green fiber]

during edit you click on a bp and then hit "delete"

[gleaming wasp]

oh okay

thanks

[abstract heron]

20khrs

Then pinging devs so much

[unkempt blade]

20 kilohours?!?!

[abstract heron]

20 thousand hrs total in game I am at now 19,504 hrs

[unkempt blade]

no sleep until 20k! see you in 2 weeks

[cursive topaz]

bru

[fluid siren]

hello

[abstract heron]

Nah

[crude canyon]

that's impressive

tell me more about it

[reef basin]

kilo hour radian second

[fluid siren]

Algum Br por ai?

[abstract heron]

playing since June 8 2020

Since steam release

Current world has 5,665 hrs on it

[crude canyon]

so you've done a lot of different factories then

[abstract heron]

Yes

[crude canyon]

or do you just leave your pc running for the extra resources

[abstract heron]

I did take a break in 2024 while 1.0 was being made

[abstract heron]

32gb of ram

[crude canyon]

that didn't answer. Do you leave your pc running at night?

[abstract heron]

No

[crude canyon]

alright then
So what kind of player would you say you are?

[abstract heron]

A mini Andrew

[unkempt blade]

clearly he's a lion, just an indoor lion

[abstract heron]

Currently making 100nuclear pasta by hand no overclocking

[crude canyon]

Ah, big builds

[abstract heron]

@crude canyon

[thick cave]

No

[crude canyon]

impressive, but a bit confused on why

i remember pasta being relatively easy to do compared to motors

[frozen ingot]

you can overclock your hands?

and you can't make project parts by hand anyway

[white dawn]

if you mean compared to turbomotors then maybe. If you mean regular motors then I think most would disagree. :)

[crude canyon]

i mean the thermal rockets

[white dawn]

Sure, yeah, TPR would be by most metrics more complex than NP. :D

-# I initially wrote "metrics" as "metrix." WTF is wrong with my brain today? I blame the cold-or-whatever I'm still getting over. :D

[leaden turret]

-# wetrix on mars

[worn oar]

I wonder if it's possible to build the max upload rate of each item that's required for building into the DD, or if you run out of resources.

I think the worst one is probably supercomputers?

It looks like no, you cannot. The turbomotors eat all the bauxite, and supercomputers need that too

[white dawn]

With resource conversion you could do both.

If you include Neural Quantum Processors (needed for those mk3 blueprinters!) then you can't. At least Turbo Motor + Supercomputer + RCU + Cooling System + Superposition Oscillator +
Computer + HSC all at 240/min is possible. Add NQP to that and NQP caps out at somewhere after 80/min

[worn oar]

Personally I don't think it's fair to include that since you can just have the 10 back when you're done with them

[white dawn]

Max NQP drops to somewhere in the 70-80 range if you add in Trigons + Time Crystals. :P

[white dawn]

I wish I could tell sftools "plz don't waste time calculating all this stuff as I'm adding more in." :D

hugs greeny's hosting platform

[worn oar]

Wow, incredible. I checked on the tools website and all the expensive ones together actually CAN be built to 240/minute. It does make heavy use of conversion though.

#screenshots message

The other ones are assumed, since I'm not going to both putting all 36 in there

[white dawn]

Heh, quitter

[worn oar]

😭

[white dawn]

FMF breaks it at the stage I'm at

[worn oar]

That's also the one that uses a lot of the conversion

[white dawn]

Yeah, with everything else I've plugged in so far (no NQP!) FMF maxes out at somewhere over 70/min

[worn oar]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't know how people have the patience to put up hundreds or thousands of machines for a single build. I keep getting tired of building things slowly and then cheat and restart the playthrough once I get the cheating out of my system. Bad habits

Like that screenshot needs 1654 of just manufacturers. Who is going to do that?

Even overclocked.

[white dawn]

The real question is if you'd have anything left to power this production with. :D

[worn oar]

Surprisingly it's only 498 GW or peak 543 with the particle accelerators. Doable just with uranium and fuel

[white dawn]

Gotta process that Uranium though. :D

And the graph I've got right now maxes out oil consumption. :P

[worn oar]

Like yes, that's obviously a lot and if you overclock for your sanity it's probably closer to 700 or 800. But it's doable.

[restive umbra]

I’ve been playing satisfactory since 2003

[white dawn]

But yeah, in the end FMF is butting heads against something else in there. Seems you can probably cram just about everything else in, though (omitting NQP)

[worn oar]

#screenshots message before and after of removing it (forgive the cropping, GIMP was giving me an aneurysm)

So FMF is mainly eating the coal and limestone as expected, but conversion made it eat some of everything else too

[white dawn]

Heh, adding SAM Fluctuators causes problems too 'cause it eats into your conversion possibilities. :D

Anyway: original problem as-written is not possible, alas. :)

er

without sloops, that is.

[worn oar]

I think without the neural quantum processors (which IMO are not fair), the problem is possible

[white dawn]

Without sloops it's definitely not.

[worn oar]

Oop yeah 10 sam fluctuator/minute was the straw that broke the camel's back. LOL

Nevermind it's not possible or satisfactory tools couldn't find a calculation that works

But worth slooping some of this stuff if you really need 240/minute

[white dawn]

Although with slooping all RSAM production I've got I think basically everything in there, with FMF down at 120/min instead of 240

[glacial totem]

lads
when I've got all my fuel power generators set up, can I whack it straight on the main grid or should I get them running on their own grid first?

when I did the coal gen group I needed some private power to get the going first

[worn oar]

Put them on the main grid

[glacial totem]

they are instantaneous?

[worn oar]

As soon as they receive fuel, yes

[minor rock]

just ask chatgpt

[glacial totem]

nice

[white dawn]

Just a cool 2.5k Pure Iron refineries in here, no big deal. :D

[worn oar]

If you want a failsafe, create a gravity fluid buffer controlled by a pump. A pump can be handled by a single biomass burner.

[glacial totem]

it's ok I trust the process

[rapid briar]

bought satisfactory so i can play with my friends

realise they are on pc

im on xbox

shit

[dusk galleon]

How do people recommend transporting plastic to make computers, the nearest copper is far away

Should I just do a giant conveyor?

[minor rock]

i love a good giant conveyor

energy efficient

[dusk galleon]

I mean, I would like trying to work on trains, but I need computers to unlock that

[ivory bluff]

I'm awfully tempted to start a new save in a new environment, just to go in with my accumulated knowledge, avoid the early errors and build better factories from the ground-up...

Since my first save was in green land: any advices on which new area to start in?

[earnest condor]

Have you done an aluminium setup yet?

[ivory bluff]

Nope. I'm at the very end of phase 2 of Space Elevator.

[earnest condor]

I would say force yourself to get to that point before you start over.
Otherwise you'll just start over again when you get to that point 😁

[ivory bluff]

oh boy

[earnest condor]

Aluminium is the "beginning" imo.
That's the point when the game stops teaching you and expects you to know everything it did teach you over the past 3 phases.

[crude canyon]

blueprints ftw!

[white dawn]

You can do that without totally starting over, btw. Just start building brand-new factories which don't rely on your old ones at all

That way you've still got the benefit of your existing ones giving you build material and such

In general, IMO building totally separated/independent factories is one of the easiest ways to play the game anyway

[ivory bluff]

Yeah, that's a possibility.
I'll take a break. I think I need to relax a bit 😅

[crude canyon]

it depends
A lot of places are good for multiple stuff
Early on you don't have the depot

[earnest condor]

But... Satisfactory is relaxing 😭

[ivory bluff]

(And now that it is mentioned here: yeah, setting up blueprints might be a good idea too)

[white dawn]

You can still keep factories independent/isolated while building in the same general area

I think a lot of folks hear my frequent Independency Advocacy and assume I mean "you must build factories in remote locations all over the place," which isn't my intention. :)

[primal obsidian]

waststsgd

[cunning geode]

Chuck everything you’ve produced so far into a dimensional depot, then walk over to the rocky desert and start fresh. No reason to do a new save

[white dawn]

You could even have an Independency-minded megafactory if you want (which IMO would be, by far, the easiest way to do a megafactory)

[crude canyon]

yeah the only thing about independency is... what about byproducts?

[white dawn]

My early-game "basic iron" factories tend to have one product per floor, and ore just gets distributed to each floor

[frosty sedge]

Literally make a blueprint for anything you might maybe need there insanely good

[white dawn]

I have frequently espoused the benefits of not following any overall build paradigm religiously, including Independency. Sure, if you've got byproducts from something (resin from a Fuel Gen plant for instance), of course you'll probably want to ship that somewhere and do something with it

[crude canyon]

would you like to see what I did in skyfactory?

[white dawn]

But the point of it would be that you have the explicit export. Resource X is going to Location Y. You're not centralizing anything; you're just treating the byproduct as a resource that happens to only be available at that one location

[crude canyon]

in satisfactory you don't have the option to say 3 go here, 4.5 go there

So the option is either manifolding, or saying X machines go to Y machines

[white dawn]

Yes you do. Clocking.

I have for a few playthroughs now basically never taken a "big pool" of resources and tried to split them up. I always have dedicated sets of machines providing specific exports

With clocking you can split things up however you like

[crude canyon]

yess, that's basically the only thing satisfactory doesn't allow

[crude canyon]

it's funny how sushiing stuff can be easier that doing that

[white dawn]

I mean even then you could just manifold it and it'll work fine

But regardless, in that case, yeah: I'd have these machines making 3/min, and these machines making 4.5/min. Never merge the belts and you're golden.

[crude canyon]

it's also why I'd play with throughput limiter mod

[white dawn]

None; I am generally allergic to cats, so my pets have all been dogs (or other more rodent-adjacent critters). I am quite fond of cats, but unwilling to spend the rest of my life getting allergy shots. :)

[white dawn]

"Throughput limiter" == "dedicated sets of machines." No need to mod

[crude canyon]

this would be in the context of putting stuff in truck stations

[serene jolt]

is there a way to sync up multiple boomboxes?

[white dawn]

Two exports == two truck stations

[crude canyon]

this isn't in 1.2, so if you need 2 truck stations, 2 routes... There's no point

[white dawn]

I honestly don't know what point you're arguing. If I have 3/min of something to send to one place, and 4.5/min of something to send somewhere else, then I'm setting up two routes anyway

1.2/exp doesn't change anything about that

(To be clear, I'm not trying to say anything about how you build factories; I'm just saying that for myself I've solved the original problem you posed via the simplest methods possible)

[crude canyon]

We're just agreeing aggressively

[unkempt blade]

aggreesively

[white dawn]

lol, could be :D

[crude canyon]

I'm curious about the layouts of your factories

[white dawn]

Lots o' littler ones spread out all over the map. Layouts of individual factories can vary wildly, depending on how enthusiatic I'm feeling about aesthetics, ranging from "oh look some machines on foundations" to semi-decently-decorated. :D

[unkempt blade]

I'm just obsessed with how apoc's dog has a tongue bigger than the rest of his head combined. Truly a magnificent doggo

[crude canyon]

I'm a weird one.
If I do manifolds with a bus I feel boring

If I do chaining. I get worried about expandability

[white dawn]

Welcome to the bizarre world of sighthounds! :D

[white dawn]

I more-or-less follow Independency so I'm never worried about expandability. Once a factory's done, it's done (with the knowledge that I'll almost certainly be making more of that resources in some other factory, eventually)

[plain hatch]

New hierarchy of factory games:

1. Satisfactory (and it’s not close
2. Dyson Sphere program
3. Modulus (2026)
4. Foundry
5. Shapez 2
6. Factorio

[mortal ginkgo]

Some of those you named are puzzle games pretending to be a factory game.

There, I said it. The TRUTH that nobody dares to do so.

[plain hatch]

Wow

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah whats you guys gonna do about it now huh

Like, what are you aiming to do now.

[plain hatch]

Nothin I can do

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah nothing. As I expected. Because TRUTH is out there! Aliens are real!

[past hedge]

ima be real the fact shapez 2 is even on there is disgracefull tbh

original shapez for the win

[mortal ginkgo]

Maxeek I haz returned from the hunt. We got 33 spheres and around 10ish sloops.

[plain hatch]

I totally agree with that. They made a good system but not a good game

[unkempt blade]

satisfactory, while a great game, is obviously more of a vehicle sandbox than a factory game

[plain hatch]

Which modulus highlighted

[past hedge]

yea the whole islands thing was not it

[past hedge]

go back to snorting it

[mortal ginkgo]

Phase 3 still, not aiming to make the factory for Phase 3 parts before I get max sphere power etc

[past hedge]

on one hand i agree but its only cause the vehicles are properly optimised

[crude canyon]

It's that some times, that factory is already on the perfect spot and plenty of resources to do more.

I might make some oscillators now for computers, but later on I need more for RCUs, so leaving the factory expandable saves a bunch of time

[mortal ginkgo]

Yet they nerfed our carts bro.. now we cant make them do sick moves, roam around freely etc.

A sacrifice for a greater system...

[void cliff]

Hard to beat satisfactory. The only one that’s 3D and good.

[crude canyon]

Especially because the basic skeleton is already done

[white dawn]

Sure, some folks like building expandable factories!

[void cliff]

I should go back and try to get into the factory stuff in fallout 4, but it’s hard to care

[unkempt blade]

People cried too much about the route recorder. Next they'll come for our fluid mechanics probably

[white dawn]

Personally I find it easier to not bother with that, though. If I want to double-tap on nodes I'll just build a second factory right in the same location

[mortal ginkgo]

Dyson Sphere kinda beats it with the atmosphere of it all to be fair. It is an unreal feeling to go to another planet for the first time.

[crude canyon]

So my challenge some times is making the factory both expandable, and not just bus 1938

[mortal ginkgo]

The system had its downsides. I know for using it for like 50+ tractors

[crude canyon]

Spam

[white dawn]

Expanding factories requires too much debugging about belt speeds and capacity and room, and (at least with my limited design skills) leaves factories looking uglier than if I "finish" them off properly

[crude canyon]

Try to put overflow into sink if you're doing loops

[white dawn]

It's quite common for me to have more than one factory on essentially the same site, pulling from the same nodes, sure. But to me that's generally a lot easier than expanding an existing one

(And believe me, I did spend a lot of my earlier playthroughs building expandable factories! It's a method I've tried. I just much prefer building new from the ground up nowadays)

[crude canyon]

I want to show you some of mine!

[white dawn]

At worst what I'll do is rip the ceiling off a building and start adding some more floors, if I'm pulling from the same nodes and making more of the same thing. But in those cases the floors are otherwise totally isolated

[past hedge]

i just built production assuming a MK.6 belt is being usedso they never have to be changed

[white dawn]

Difficult to do in Phase 4 (or before). :)

[crude canyon]

@white dawn
Are you in 1.1 or 1.2?

[past hedge]

worked out pretty well since any wait time was spent expanding and or exploring for goods

[past hedge]

i did it from the very start with 60 belts

[white dawn]

Except then you're spending time redoing belts later. It'd be the same amount of work to just build to what you need at first, and then build more later.

When I finish up a factory, I like it to be done. Never touched again

[past hedge]

depends what scale

[white dawn]

And it's the same amount of factory either way, so eh. :)

[past hedge]

upgrading a belt is a lot quicker than upgrading a whole factory from the ground up

[white dawn]

But what's even quicker is not overbuilding in the first place. :)

[past hedge]

dont you dare challege the obesity of my peak factory 😂

[white dawn]

I'm actually not in the middle of a playthrough at all right now. Will probably kick one off once v1.2 goes public

[past hedge]

or i will poke you with my christmas tree

ironically enough my tree ended up larger than my base so it makes both look tiny

you know i was thinking of restarting on a new save and then remembered that would be like another 600 hour adventure that i dont really want to commit to again

[white dawn]

I do tend to need a break inbetween playthroughs. :D

[unkempt blade]

yeah I like to do the normal progression stuff + a handful of vanity projects and a train network

[crude canyon]

Mind if I show you some of my factories?
I don't know if it would be a good time for a call atm

[unkempt blade]

I don't feel very motivated by making the numbers go up past a certain point

can you sing Never Gonna Give you Up?

[white dawn]

I don't do VC and such. Feel free to post stuff in #screenshots though!

[past hedge]

honestly i dont feel like making more production once nodes start running out

[unkempt blade]

yeah I know some people pick "use all of X" type projects and more power to them but there's just a point for me where it's not so much a problem to solve or a fun challenge it's just tedium

[crude canyon]

oh, well I feel like just photos wouldn't be enough to explain some of the concepts

[unkempt blade]

that's way more wholesome than what a lot of people use instagram for so I support you!

[abstract heron]

I am the lion

I have seen the movies

[crude canyon]

@abstract heron
what do you think of this
#screenshots message

[abstract heron]

Also talk later I am busy stm

ATM

Talk later both of u sorry I am busy

BUSY ATM

[unkempt blade]

a c'mon you have 20k hours for factories and can't read a single classic novel with your friends?

just a dog at the moment

Haha I will when he wakes up. I think our walk wore him out

He's slowing down a little with the warmer weather

the show? not very well if so

[abstract heron]

Nearly 20khrs

Tons

[crude canyon]

20k hours is insane
I have 1250h and I tell you I already played way more than any normal person

hell, I don't think I'm 20k hours in rocket league

[abstract heron]

I do play and such in game atm I am just busy

[crude canyon]

I'd believe 2k hours

My brother works making minecraft plugins, he's been at it for 6 years. I'd believe he has 20k hours, because that's his job

[mint cradle]

I’m so proud of myself

Fist adaptive control unit has been built

[crude canyon]

If you play this 8 hours a day, it'd still take you 6.8 years to reach 20k hours

[earnest condor]

People get servers and just afk them for 24hrs/day so 🤷‍♂️

[crude canyon]

that's... kinda lame

[earnest condor]

Is vidya gaem.
Is how they have fun.
So "we listen and we don't judge."

[crude canyon]

I should do a playthrough like that actually
no splitting, just make tons of stuff into other tons of stuff without regard for ratios

just having massive areas filled with containers

[ivory bluff]

... Oh boy. You really need a shitton of energy if you're feeling slightly adventurous regarding expanding...

[mint cradle]

What

[ornate saffron]

Good thing come phase 3 power is cheap

[crude canyon]

It costs me my time

[ornate saffron]

Yup, video games do that

[crude canyon]

I could have built so many cart skateparks with it

Or slug carousels

But no I need more power to make more motors to make more power

[earnest condor]

Just buy the motors, duh 😛

[crude canyon]

Speaking of motors, shout out to rigor motor.

Once you have crystal osc you can bring them to where you already make motors to make 4x the motors

[earnest condor]

Electric Motor is my personal preference because of how well it pairs with Electric Turbo.

[mint cradle]

Ok now with adaptive control units automated

I’ll do modular engines tomorrow

Im not in the mood to play anymore rn

[mint cradle]

Ty for introducing me to sushi belts

Makes my factory’s much nicer

I’m making 2 million awesome points per min

Just sink automated wiring

And heavy modular frames

[frigid mirage]

lumen is so worth playing at 25 fps

[mint cradle]

I’m getting a 5080 laptop soon for college

So I can play with mods as a plus

[willow hill]

i didnt think you could fit a 5080 in a laptop

[mint cradle]

Mobile chip

[crude canyon]

Btw what does electromagnetic connection rod have over the normal recipe?

[mint cradle]

What even is that

[crude canyon]

Stators and hsc

[mint cradle]

Also don’t worry about it being overkill I’m going in to aerospace

[willow hill]

it isnt a flex at all, i am just sayin, a 5080 can be like, really thick

[bright forge]

Sup guys, hows the 1.2 experimental? still buggy? I really wanna use the new truck routes

[crude canyon]

I had fun with them.
I still think there's 1 thing missing with the routes

[bright forge]

I kinda wanna play it with my current save, though its only at phase 3 so I'm also considering doing a new one with the randomized ore

[willow hill]

i tried a truck route in my first world, i made the ramps too thin and ended up losing like, 2 trucks into the void

[hollow turret]

happens

[unkempt blade]

I've heard it's going to make fluids even more perfect than they already are

[mint cradle]

2 is enough for me

[white dawn]

There was a patch today which theoretically fixed some of the biggest known bugs, btw -- check #patch-notes for that

AFAIK they're now hoping that that will be the final patch prior to public v1.2 release

[abstract heron]

bruh that stupid meme

i am loading into my world atm

[unkempt blade]

so you have time for at least one song then right?

[abstract heron]

i anit going to play any song

[unkempt blade]

oh ok 😢

[versed mesa]

Hello all

[unkempt blade]

my dog is almost 3 years into being a lymphoma survivor so I keep telling myself to wait on more animals and he keeps being a miracle dog so no new pets yet 😆

yeah he's well past the usual range for the meds he got so it's been a surprisingly good outcome so far

nah I saw what happened to the sub guy

yeah probably, I'd need to take a lot of paint with me though

what do you think the best way would be to write a message on the moon big enough to see from earth without a telescope?

that's crazy we all know it's a cube

would you take your cats to the moon with you?

[tall lantern]

I miss when this channel was Satisfactory-related

[glass turtle]

Is there an optimal train length? Also, how long does loading and unloading take? Id assume i can come close to the transport speed of a belt with enough trains back to back to back?

[unkempt blade]

sorry what I meant to say is "would you take your cats to the moon via the satisfactory space elevator?"

[tall lantern]

doesn't stop you

[unkempt blade]

not really, but personally I do all 1:4 trains so my stations don't need to get fancy to have more than one stop on the route

[tall lantern]

the unload pause is around 27s

[glass turtle]

Okay. Now i just have to figure out how much is unloaded in those 27 seconds

[tall lantern]

as long as you keep your carriages to less than a belt you'll probably be fine

and don't forget to buffer your platforms

[glass turtle]

So less than 1200/minute

per carriage

Guess i can do that

[ornate saffron]

yup.

[tall lantern]

you may also need to worry about round trip time there, but train throughput's always solvable with more carriages and/or more trains, depending on the issue

[glass turtle]

I dont have cats

[unkempt blade]

there are 2 outputs for belt so you could possibly go higher but it's going to be tricky to hit without some combination of large stack size items and multiple trains

[glass turtle]

The neighbours dogs love me though

And sometimes random dogs. I do alway carry a bit of kibble on me for all the free-range and wild dogs.

[tall lantern]

I personally target 600/min with my trains, just because I'm usually transporting stuff far enough by train the round trip time might actually be an issue

[glass turtle]

Yeah most dogs here are outdoor dogs

Just like outdoor cats

[glass turtle]

I mean that could be solved by just having more trains but yeah

[tall lantern]

too many trains and your platforms get stuck in lockdown more than not

so there is a point of diminishing returns, which depends on the round trip time

[glass turtle]

Oh can a train route not have alternate plattforms depending on which one is free?

[silent parrot]

Hii, anyone here know about a Spanish speaking server to find that play Satisfactory?

[tall lantern]

no dynamic routing, no

[unkempt blade]

you might want #1201555265942724758 and just mention your language preference when you post

[wise summit]

Does this Discord server have a Satisfactory world where players can play together or where events are organized?

[silent parrot]

Oh, ty

[tall lantern]

public servers aren't really a thing, there's #1201555265942724758 for, well, looking for groups

[wise summit]

ty bro

[silent parrot]

Why

What are u saying

[unkempt blade]

you mean the documentary phase 5 was based on?

[silent parrot]

Not really

[glass turtle]

What if multiple trains travel the same direction, do they still avoid the same sections of track?

[dense violet]

if blocked? yes

I'll batman around if I want, you're not hte boss of me

[glass turtle]

Well, what does "blocked" mean? I move 100kmh in one direction, you move 100kmh in the same direction behind me, theres no blockage

[dense violet]

if you put down signals , it creates 'blocks'
only 1 train can exist on a block at a time

so if you set up many blocks, trains can follow each other

[dense violet]

you really should look up the basics of trains first. Maybe look at some youtube vids and wiki

i'll... waffle your thursts?

youd better be

[jovial beacon]

Hey does anyone know what I can do with 480m3 water a minute, just got to phase 4 and I’m juggling where to dump the excess water atm

I was thinking of moving around some plastic to make containers to sink it all but I actually have no clue if you can sink bottled water

[glass turtle]

Okay. Doesnt help a whole lot. Ill want a lot of block signals regularly is what i really take away from it, approximately spaced out as far as the length of my trains. Path signals idk, they are all showing red and saying waiting for path reservation

[dense violet]

you have to finish blocking a system or it'll show up weird

you can just use block signals , keeps things simpler

[glass turtle]

For now i actually can, but once i expand to have more than two stations (or 4, one station at each stop, one for loading and one for unloading) i would have to have some intersections

[dense violet]

you can still only use blocks on intersections

it works fine.
trains slow down always for path signals, while they only stop at an intersection when other trains are using it.
much of a muchness

are you drunk Max? 😛

[glass turtle]

I see. Alright.
Is this enough clearance? Much more basic than the videos on it seem to cover #screenshots message

[gritty terrace]

So any advice for a long time palyer who never seems to make it past phase 2 of the space elevator setup?(the networking and infrastructure gets a bit much for me) But I adore this game.

[kindred atlas]

hello folks, i just built my nuclear plant (havent turned it on yet but have fuel running into the plants), does radiation penetrate from storage boxes of nuclear waste? i need the power from the plant to be able to unlock the processing upgrade to deal with the waste so looking to do something with it for the meantime

[jovial beacon]

if phase 2 does it for you , im not sure you'll be ready to see what phase 3 and 4 have to offer 😭

[gritty terrace]

Oh I know it gets more intense. I can handle that aspect I just have issues thinking of good desings for the factories

[jovial beacon]

honestly you're gonna struggle for the early ones but sooner or later you'll start putting together patterns that work when building them, and eventually you start to see what works, looks good and how to get from a to b without having intersections or a big messs and it starts to become easier and easier

[unkempt blade]

just remember to use as many factory carts as possible and you can't go wrong

[jovial beacon]

i dont think ive used factory carts once in my past 350 hours of playtime 😭

[gritty terrace]

On that note wasnt there once a cybertruck looking one we could get??

[unkempt blade]

you should! they're the best vehicle for sure

[jovial beacon]

put a ticket in the sink

[unkempt blade]

yeah there's a cyberwagon and it's marginally better than the IRL cybertruck

[white dawn]

There is! Requires doing something vaguely perverse with the AWESOME sink to unlock it. :)

[jovial beacon]

after that you can get it in the awesome shop

[gritty terrace]

Oh yeah thats what it was! I remembered having it before

[jovial beacon]

this guy is seriously talking to himself

[dense violet]

there still is

[jovial beacon]

are they actually useful or is this like a gag for players who have been playing for a large time frame?

cause ive seen like one person on my fyp use them and she was making a giant catwalk with hundreds of them moving around

[unkempt blade]

ya they're good, they work with the truck station the same as other vehicles

[jovial beacon]

ill be honest ive never even used trucks or vehicles just trains 😭

[white dawn]

||they are not; they're a joke unlock which makes fun of them||

[unkempt blade]

That person sounds delightful. I like their style

[jovial beacon]

like what help is a truck that trains cannot do? i really feel that the time frame to setup the roads and paths is time i couldve spent slapping around railway blueprints

[gritty terrace]

I never bothered with the truck station. Just made giant conveyor towers apanning the map

[glass turtle]

Why does my block signal constantly want to go to the other side? Well, not constantly, just... its fairly persistent where it does

[jovial beacon]

its pretty impressive because it literally spans the entire map and has a super organized looking path for them all

[white dawn]

The mistake there is making roads in the first place. :) The map's got a ton of "natural" roads which the vehicles have always performed quite well on. If you need logistics in Phase 2, tractors have always been A+

[unkempt blade]

I like a variety of vehicles because it makes my builds feel a lot more alive

[white dawn]

I agree that once you get to Trains (and then Drones!) the niche for vehicles drops a bit, though there are folks who like using trucks well into the late game

[gritty terrace]

That I can understand. I am a builder at heart so a lively build is what I am looking for

[white dawn]

I still stand up new vehicle routes well into the late game, though I do mostly lean on trains+drones once I have those unlocked

The vehicle changes coming in v1.2 smooth out a lot of rough edges that would cause some folks to avoid vehicles, too

Maybe take that to #off-topic-general ?

[unkempt blade]

it does seem a lot easier to set up routes I'm just bummed it'll block future free style carts on their skatepark routes

[white dawn]

But yeah, building Pioneer-built roads for your vehicles kind of removes one of vehicles' greatest advantages: hardly any infrastructure required. All you need is a way to fuel 'em and you're good to go

[unkempt blade]

the current recorder has its problems but it lets you do some very whimsical routes

[white dawn]

Build roads if you want for 'em, of course! But only if that's something you intrinsically enjoy. They work great just on the map's natural roads

sigh

<@&387163995947270144> This has been going on for like over an hour now

[jovial beacon]

they typed the hard r dude i wouldve assumed there'd be a bot in a server this large to instantly flag that

[white dawn]

<@&387163995947270144> Oh wtf, yeah, there's shit like this too. Get this 🤡 out of here

[white oar]

Coming back to a save after not playing for game for months is such a surreal experience. Like why do I have a half built factory with 6 refineries, 3 not even connected to anything. Idc about making stuff look good in the logistic floor anymore it's gonna be spaghetti city

[glass turtle]

I havent even loaded up my old save, but i just came back. Last time i played was 2022. The save still exists, and i suppose i may have some things there that i can not get here.

[unkempt blade]

I keep a notebook for my saves out of game and heavily use signs in game because I ran into a lot of those problems 😆

[glass turtle]

Such as ficsmas stuff

[white oar]

I thought I'd be fine since I usually put any notes in the note tab they give you. I opened the save and there's nothing 😭 I just know what I was doing was complicated, and annoying since I'd need to expand my Train again to get oil

[unkempt blade]

yeah I always run into space issues with the in game notes. It feels like it'd be a useful feature but even within a single large build I feel like I need more notes a lot of the time

[white dawn]

Yeah, I tend to only use 'em for pretty "immediate" notes, if that makes sense. Other than that I've got text files galore, etc. :D

(runs off to petition CSS to add a spreadsheet to the game)

[latent prawn]

can we haz monitoring/stats first?

[unkempt blade]

where's my ingame kanban board so we can make this feel more like work

[white dawn]

Heh, I still kind of half-not-jokingly want SNMP integration. Hook this thing up to Grafana; send me SMSes if certain things reach certain threshholds, etc

[latent prawn]

i'd just like a set of production stats similar to factorio or DSP

as for SNMP though, lets leave that out. plenty of other stats gathering things that aren't fossilized cruft

[white dawn]

I mean there's a reason why SNMP is still everywhere. :D

And we've got your choice of application stacks to monitor/alert/etc. :D

[latent prawn]

it isn't. many things have moved to frameworks like prometheus

[white dawn]

Sure, and Prometheus too can take in SNMP. :P

I mean this is a bit silly to be arguing about because who's gonna take the time to actually write a mod to provide that level of external monitoring interface in the first place.

If alternate-universe-me ends up taking the time to write an SNMP mod I'll have him cross the timelines to stick his tongue out. :D

[dense violet]

SNMP?

[latent prawn]

um... https://github.com/porisius/FicsitRemoteMonitoring

[white dawn]

Simple Network Management Protocol; been one of the foundational protocols for network monitoring and such for decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Network_Management_Protocol

[latent prawn]

it died a long time ago.

if you didn't get that news, it's burried in that v7 tarball of the early 2000's internet archive

[wise junco]

i love a good satisargument

[white dawn]

Well, respectfully disagree. :)

[unkempt blade]

Depending on what kind of latency you want you could probably just dig that info out of a save file when a new one gets made and send it off to your dashboard

[latent prawn]

i'd encourage you to get involved in the netsnmp project and modernize the code then

[white dawn]

That mod does look great, though. :)

[white dawn]

Nah, I literally want traps sent off in near-realtime, etc. :D

[dense violet]

oh someones already done that

another pointless thing in a static production game

[white dawn]

Yeah, moonchild did already send over a fun looking mod. :D

[latent prawn]

so you can stop playing and analyze the error?

[white dawn]

Heh, I just want grafana dashboards in a second monitor so I can know if a problem's developing elsewhere in the factory, etc. :D

[dense violet]

why would there be any problems once you've built and tested it?

[latent prawn]

i'd be happy if the item counter allowed setting thresholds and tossed up a barker

[dense violet]

what?

[wise junco]

what?

[latent prawn]

the belt item counter... if it had a feature 'alarm if rate drops below/goes above x/min'

[white dawn]

Slightly disingenously: For the same reason I still like to put in priority power switches, power storage, and redundant systems in general, even though I've literally never had a power trip since my first playthrough that wasn't biofuel-related: I enjoy that kind of thing. :D
Slightly less disingenously: 'cause sometimes I make mistakes, and sometimes stuff like piping issues can take awhile to manifest problems. :P

[dense violet]

you'll see the problem as soon as you look at anything vaguely connected to the issue and you can follow it back

[latent prawn]

none. their apex vermin

[white dawn]

I mean I fully acknowledge that the chances of me actually setting any of this up (even when there seems to be a mod which could possibly make it happen) are awfully small. :D

[dense violet]

same vein of 'once you've tested the system it's not going to change'

and you relying on those counters is hilarious

[white dawn]

The one drawback to an Independency-minded build is that problems in one factory are essentially impossible to notice unless you're looking at that particular factory

[dense violet]

no? problems flow on.

[latent prawn]

i agree, the game just needs more monitoring, but given none exists right now, i'd be happy with something that allows something of a pre-indicator

[wise junco]

"Several people are typing..." this is when you know it's getting good in here

[dense violet]

both forward and backwards

[white dawn]

But regardless: I like monitoring. I like alerting. I do that stuff for a living, and it's a joy seeing nicely-tuned dahboards, etc.

[violet glen]

I recently saw someone describe a genius "belt backup alarm". Have an overflow smart splitter in there, that has the overflow go into a coal generator. And then have that coal generator on its own power grid, with a trivial consumer in it, and clocked at like 1%. When the belt that should not overflow overflows, it trips that gen, causing the "Fuse blown" alarm

Not sure where and who it was, but... that's such a good idea

[white dawn]

If I ever did it, it would be for the same reason I'm playing the game in the first place: because the sheer act of doing it bring me joy

[dense violet]

and congrats, every 'monitor' along that system will be 'barking' you and not being useful as to where the problem is

[white dawn]

If literally the only thing a factory is doing is outputting to storage, how would I notice unless I'm actually looking at either the factory, or the intake rate on the storage?

[wise junco]

power consumption fluctuations could be an indicator, pending where you're at in the game

[white dawn]

It's true that with lategame factories I'm often building "subfactories" which are geographically dispersed, and yeah -- a problem in an "earlier" factory might flow on to the next.

[latent prawn]

satisfactory kind of gets almost to the scale in late game where you really need the monitoring, but your done with a playthrough by the time you really need it

[dense violet]

then you'd know as soon as you teste the factory. Again

[white dawn]

But even then, the ultimate product is just "to storage." A problem in that one factory cannot affect any other factory, so unless I'm looking, I'll never know.

[dense violet]

you're talking about setting up a complex live cam system to stare at a rock.
trapped in a locked room

[white dawn]

What would cause me to test the factory again, though? :D

[white dawn]

I mean, again: I enjoy setting up complex live cam systems, so to speak. :)

[dense violet]

nothing. Unless you actively went in and broke it.
then I would really hope you'd know what the problem was since you just bashed it

[white dawn]

(And I've already admitted that I'd be unlikely to actually do it in practice anyway. You seem awfully upset that I'd even consider this. :)

[dense violet]

I'd be far more concerned about you not knowing you broke it

[latent prawn]

really more useful to me is being able to see production stats and verify the x/min items build that i just did is producing and consuming what i intended

[white dawn]

What if I made some subtle error in a pipe somewhere and didn't notice at first

[dense violet]

like, time to get some scans and hope you live in a country with proper health care, worried

[white dawn]

Humans make mistakes; humans don't always notice those mistakes

[dense violet]

you stare at your system for 30 seconds and it works? it works

[latent prawn]

something similar to SCIM's item production/consumption panel, but more dynamic

[white dawn]

Categorically untrue! For instance on my v1.0 save I eventually discovered, purely by chance, that my PC has problems sustaining 1200/min on mk6 belts once the game's load gets too high

[wise junco]

Maxeek bringing the chaotic energy is what makes this amazing

[white dawn]

Factories which were running at 100% for literally tens of hours were starting to run dry, and it was only by chance that I noticed.

[latent prawn]

i noticed that imediately by watching a miner for 30 seconds

[white dawn]

And sometimes fluid systems can take awhile to show miniscule problems

[white dawn]

In my case it was very much load based. As I say, perfectly-running factories for a long time.

It wasn't until my save reached a certain size threshhold that things started slowing down

[white dawn]

Maxeek using the literal N and R words is what makes this incredibly cringe

[wise junco]

wait what?

[white dawn]

And this shit is fine (to a degree) in #off-topic-general but not fucking here where people are trying to have conversations

[sour jewel]

i could use some pipe help. I have water pipes that go straight up and one of them has a flow rate that just sporatically jumps between the 600 that should be flowing all the way down to like 50

it should all be working but idk why not

[white dawn]

For pipe problems, it's nearly always necessary to have good screenshots -- use #1038092680493801533 where you can embed 'em in the conversation. :)

[wise junco]

I feel like I irritated people, and if that's the case, I'm genuinely sorry - I just found the dichotomy funny but apparently there's deeper layers afoot here

[white dawn]

Oh lol, sorry, no. Believe me, you are not the one I'm irritated by. :D Anyway, dishes time for me.

[glacial totem]

can I ask for math help in here

[white dawn]

Oh, and of course the other use for a monitoring system (SNMP or otherwise) is getting heads-up for potential problems before they're problems. If I don't keep a good eye on my fuel depot for my drones (unlikely, but let's pretend), I might not notice that I'm consuming too much until drones stop making their trips. If I've got some traps set on the ISC buffers' fill status, I could notice well before there's actual shortages. :D (This is, after all, the ideal case for service monitoring -- monitor so you know before there's a problem)

[white dawn]

Indeed! Though #math-and-meta also exists, depending on how In The Weeds you'd like to get

[glacial totem]

I have 5 plastic and 5 rubber refineries generating (5×10 + 5×20) = 150 heavy oil residue

I want to refine that into fuel and make fuel power generators but I can't figure out how many of each

1 refinery takes 60 HOR, so I could do 3 refineries set to consume 150 between them

Then I'm lost.

[white dawn]

Yeah, so at 60/min consumption per machine, and 150/min total to work with, that's 2.5 total machines (150/60 = 2.5)

Which, if you look at it another way, is 250% consumption

There's a lot of ways to do that -- you could have 2 machines at 100% and another underclocked to 50%

Or 1 at 100% and a second at 150%

Or two at 125%

(or just a single one overclocked all the way to 250%, of course!)

In the end, it's just slicing it up until you've got 250% production somehow

Alternatively, if you don't want to mess with clocking, you could just set up three of them with the default 100% clock, and know that they'll collectively go idle about 16% of the time. :)

[glacial totem]

Oh sorry. I understand the 150% part. But I don't know how many fuel generators to build and at what clockage

[white dawn]

Oh, heh, sorry

So the fuel gens themselves will tell you how quickly they consume fuel -- if you build one and look at its control panel, there's a little orange "gas can" icon next to the internal fuel buffer

If you click that, you'll get a list of consumption rates for all the fuel types it supports

[glacial totem]

the fuck's this guy on about?

[white dawn]

I've already put in a moderator ticket about it, hopefully a mod will be online shortly. I'd recommend a block-or-ignore for now

[wise junco]

don't feed the troll

[white dawn]

Alternatively there's a fuel-consumption table at the wiki, of course

!wikisearch fuel-powered generator

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel-powered+generator

[white dawn]

Anyway, those Residual Fuel refineries (I assume you're using Residual Fuel) output 40/min, and the gens will consume 20/min.

[glacial totem]

Looks like 20m3 per generator

[white dawn]

So each of those refineries will support two fuel gens

[glacial totem]

Nah just the orange basic fuel

converted from HOR

[white dawn]

Right, so each one can support two fuel gens

(I assume you may have known this already, but: using the vanilla recipes, you'll get the best oil-to-fuel ratio by going direct from crude oil to fuel (using the Fuel recipe) than you do by going HOR -> Fuel using Residual. But since you presumably need to find something to use the HOR for anyway, it can be a nice way to pick up a bit of extra power while making use of the byproduct. :)

[glacial totem]

Yeah I think I liked the idea of using byproducts to make fuel rather than just making it directly.

I will probably build a separate oil-> fuel at some point though to supplement

because one is never done building in this game

[wise junco]

the numbers must go up, friend

[glacial totem]

Man it was actually quite easy wasn't it. I should have figured it out while playing and not at work

[void cliff]

Gotta be 13 to use discord, buddy. Go ask your parents

[chrome whale]

Diluted packaged fuel is awesome. I've reworked all of my oil production and it's extremely efficient

[warped crane]

diluted packaged fuel is nice but I usually don't bother until I get blended fuel

having an army of packagers when I could just wait for the next tier makes my teeth itch

esp. since default fuel is so dummy easy

but the efficiency gains from diluted packaged fuel are very tempting, for sure

[grim carbon]

i've almost finished phase 4. should i be nervous or excited for phase 5?

i'm concerned about my power grid cos it fluctuates between 5 and 6 GW

Is that enough for phase 5 or do i need more power?

[dense violet]

5/6 gw is fairly low for a world grid

at least for phase 5

[grim carbon]

i see

[dense violet]

you'd have to make very small systems

make a 30gw diluted fuel power station somewhere

[grim carbon]

do machines like encoders use a lot of power?

[untold gyro]

Is there an easy way to build through the water or do I have to go all the way around?

[hard wolf]

definitely

[grim carbon]

he's one of the best

is the void always the border of the map?

what?

you're not making much sense

is that a language?

[earnest condor]

Which void?

[hard wolf]

not always. ADA will let you know when you've reached the edge of the workable area, though there are ways around that (but that involves exploiting how the game works)

[grim carbon]

the void areas of the map in Satisfactory

[earnest condor]

Yes, which is why I asked which specific one 😭

Because some are an automatic death boundary and others are eventual death boundaries.

[worn oar]

Is there anything you guys singlemindedly rush in a new world? For me it's nobelisks and parachute

[abstract heron]

i am here just watching blandrew575

[white dawn]

Hah, all good. :D Gotta go where the mind takes you. :)

[earnest condor]

Smart Splitters 😄 Because I am so reliant on sushi for everything I build.

[worn oar]

I did not expect that. I only use them for smart sinking lol

[worn oar]

More detail: there are island(s) that you can walk on that are also partially in the void zone and will kill you

[jovial beacon]

I think my only sushi is for funneling everything to trains and to sort at my storage area 😭

[grim carbon]

I went exploring yeterday and almost feel into a void

fell*

[jovial beacon]

I’ve placed 800 power storage things and I fear it’s use is insignificant in late gate

[worn oar]

If you overbuild power, it's insignificant. HOWEVER your first nuclear plant will have a problem and it will help you solve it

I'm in the process of covering the void hole with power storage right now :D

[jovial beacon]

I sadly have a habit of overbuilding other things and completely forgetting to compensate it with power so I end up using 70-85% of my production😭

[worn oar]

Lategame machines have variable power and geothermal has variable production

[jovial beacon]

I def should spend a session just focusing entirely on building power production

[jovial beacon]

Isn’t the entirety of all of the geysers like 25k-75k

I’m blocking this guy this has to be a compromised account

[white dawn]

Unfortunately they actually show up high/drunk on a somewhat regular basis, though in the past it's generally always been confined to the offtopic channels

[glacial totem]

I find it annoying that gas masks are locked behind later tiers, I haven't explored much for this reason

[white dawn]

(Either that or the account is persistently compromised. :D)

[white dawn]

Find some sulfur and research it in your MAM; it'll ease the pain in the meantime

[worn oar]

Brain is compromised maybe

[white dawn]

Though you do need steel to produce the necessary... items.

[glacial totem]

the filters though? Locked behind some 3 part assembler?

[worn oar]

All I ever wanted was my two front teeth

[worn oar]

Made in the equipment workshop

[white dawn]

Sulfur research will mostly remove the need for filters, honestly. :)

[glacial totem]

are you serious

[white dawn]

Just get researchin', you'll enjoy it

There were some changes to progression with v1.0 which honestly made gasmask+filters a bit obsolete; you can take care of poison-producing things through... other means much earlier in the game now.

[glacial totem]

explosives?

[white dawn]

(The necessary stuff was always available, but wasn't always effective against everything that produces poison gas)

[glacial totem]

I did that a couple of times, but I really didn't see that as a viable option long term

[white dawn]

Nobelisks can be a bit awkward, but they'll reliably remove any instance of environmental (or, with sufficient pizzazz, biological) source of poison gas in the game. :)

[glacial totem]

If you explosive one of those poison gas flowers blocking the alien matter, does it respawn though? Not the poison towers, the flowers

[white dawn]

(It's true that I prefer the later-game ||explosive rebar|| for that purpose instead, but one works with what one has. :)

[earnest condor]

Power Storages are purely decorative, yes 🙂

[white dawn]

I honestly don't remember, though if they do respawn, they will at least not respawn near any of your buildings, as with other hostile mobs

I seem to think that they don't respawn, but I don't actually trust my memory on that

Eh, Power Storage isn't "purely decorative" -- if you build out Power Storage to "appropriate" scales based on your power output, you can give yourself however much "emergency power time" you want. But you do eventually have to get fairly ridiculous with the buildouts. :P

(And in general we'll recommend you just build out your main power generation big enough that you're never even close to tripping those breakers)

Still, some folks like having backup systems in place even if they never expect to use 'em

[glacial totem]

It's all good. I'm going to arm myself with nobelisks, a gas mask + a dozen filters, about 500 liquid biofuel for my jetpack and go on a mission

I reckon I have maybe 20% of the map unlocked and I'm on tier 5/6 lol

[white dawn]

Be sure to come back with a good supply of spheres, sloops, harddrives, and DNA!

(Possibly unnecessary tip, but I feel obliged: remember that if you find a hard drive in the wild, you can construct a MAM, start researching it, deconstruct the MAM, and then proceed on your way. When the research is done you'll get a notification and you can build another MAM if you want to either slap in a new drive or make recipe choices, etc)

[glacial totem]

That's cool. I feel like that 10 mins will go a lot slower if I'm just stood on the spot in an unknown place

[abstract heron]

i am in #design-and-architecture area 😛

[white dawn]

Heh, a lot of folks end up just bringing the whole bunch back to "base" and only start scanning once they're back

You can usually get through a lot, if not all, while you explore, once you know that's possible

[glacial totem]

that sounds slower actually

I'll try your method

[grizzled bridge]

e

[glass turtle]

Pretty sure you could in 2022, too

[white dawn]

Oh, I guess it was Update 8 which added that; my bad. :D

[glass turtle]

(2022 is when my last savefile is from from before i got back into it a week ago or so

[jade parcel]

Is it alowed to write in german? Have a idea for satis future update

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @white dawn

[white dawn]

^ The Questions site (linked up there) is where you can submit ideas to the developers. I assume that site is mainly English-only, though (as is this Discord)

[jade parcel]

Okey becouse my english is very bad

[weary gate]

Why is my converter making sulfur only at 91%

It has plenty of material

[twin parcel]

just add buffers before the inputs

[weary gate]

Uh for conveyers?

[twin parcel]

u still need to automate filters for iodine filters if going nuclear

[rigid wedge]

I crafted 100 and had 90 left after finishing nuclear

[reef basin]

No, don't add buffers. Check if input is empty/output full

[weary gate]

Output is fine

Input full output not backed up

[reef basin]

Then it works fine?

[weary gate]

It’s efficiency is at 89%

[normal orbit]

the uptime-% of a machine is overtime, it will take awhile to reach 100% if its been lower for some reason

[weary gate]

It’s been going down

The three bar icon

[normal orbit]

you'll need to watch machine and see why it goes down

[dense violet]

are you wearing a hover pack and flying past it? seeing the light go yellow?

also - don't trust efficiency meters. They very often lie

[weary gate]

No

[weary gate]

Ok

[dense violet]

then I would ignore it. Just another lying meter

[weary gate]

Thanks

[hard wolf]

I really hope CSS adds something gives us more 4th dimensional lifeform content and also adds a resonance song thingy that augments the pioneer

[karmic veldt]

Today I discovered: blueprint autoconnect system.

This is really good

[celest gulch]

it's great

if only there was a way to auto connect power though 🙁

[glacial drum]

man i kinda miss satisfactory but i can’t often replay games hopefully that’ll change with 1.2

just gotta keep waiting..

[gloomy wedge]

Can someone gift me satisfactory please

[tall lantern]

Begging is against the #rules

[karmic veldt]

Why would I, what make you think you deserve a 40€ gift from anyone here ?

[ivory bluff]

I redid my initial factory. Wanted to make 20 reinforced iron plate per minute.
... Just that took so much time... Dear Lord. Well I'm having fun creating a true factory with lifts, floors and optimal ratios, but damn.
And I still haven't set up truck lines... Need to complete phase 2 🥲

[ripe swallow]

Are there any speedruns without moving the HUB?

[viral tendon]

Is 3 supercomputers a minute good for the first supercomputer production

600 hours, 2nd playthrough and still asking the questions about the game...

Satisfactory always keeps impressing me

[cobalt crater]

It's decent

[viral tendon]

Ok...

[tall lantern]

if you're on your second playthrough you should know by now the answer to most of these is "up to you" 😛

[viral tendon]

12 computers a minute will be rough but i'll pull through

[tall lantern]

there's no universal numbers, but also nothing stopping you just building more later

[viral tendon]

Just want an optimal number

Ion remember if i'll need more than that

[tall lantern]

there isn't one

[cobalt crater]

Your main use for Supercomputer is going to be space parts and machines, so 3 per minute is fine

[viral tendon]

Oh fuck i just remembered i need to make RCU production

[cobalt crater]

Speaking of Supercomputers, my brain is still fried after setting up mine that I just made a simple iron parts factory out in the boonies of Abyss Cliff

[viral tendon]

Why do i not have HSC production am i stupid 😭😭

[crude canyon]

Hsc are pretty annoying to do

[viral tendon]

HSC is the worst recipe after turbo motors

[cobalt crater]

I haven't even started on Turbo motors

[viral tendon]

Good luck vro 😭

[crude canyon]

I think RCU

[viral tendon]

RCU was fine

[cobalt crater]

The part that's really getting me is dealing with the Nitrogen gas for cooling systems

[crude canyon]

Yeah those need a lot of nitrogen

[cobalt crater]

Nah, not that

More if I should ship parts into a nearby well from modular factories

[crude canyon]

Both work

[cobalt crater]

I know that much, just trying to decide

[crude canyon]

Flip a coin

[cobalt crater]

Think it over while I remap my Aluminum factory

[crude canyon]

But yeah turbo motors are messed up

[viral tendon]

48 circuit boards a minute is BRUTAL

[cobalt crater]

ECB alt, my beloved

[viral tendon]

Im talking about computer brotato

Wait

Ecb is a circuit board

My brain is melting i am sorry

[cobalt crater]

No worries, same here

But yeah, ended up using ECB for both HSC and Caterium Computers since it means you only need crude and cat

[viral tendon]

Ion even have ECB only SCB

[cobalt crater]

Worth hunting for harddrives when you can

[viral tendon]

I saved 2 for rocket fuel but i'm going nuclear so eh

[rigid wedge]

I made 62,5 per minute and it was surprisingly simple

Used the blended silica one without plastic

[fluid sapphire]

i thought they were pretty straightforward

silicon boards
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=W6ZGtKxOFQyPQkFUT6e0

silicon HSC

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=pxnwAjQqTuvRchjADJFz

[celest gulch]

anyone else find themselves spend more time designing fancy blueprints than actually progressing lol

[tall lantern]

no

[celest gulch]

making compact blueprints is very enjoyable

[rigid wedge]

Tbh I have a super hard time building anything with the few options there are

Most time spent is arguing with my ocd about if something is symmetrical enough

[dense violet]

few options?

[rigid wedge]

compared to what Ive had before yes

[unkempt blade]

I agree. A minimum of 3 axes of symettry or it's not worth using

[unkempt blade]

adding constraints is usually thought to increase creativity when you're making art

[rigid wedge]

I can see that work very well

without ocd

[unkempt blade]

I'd argue you already kind of have a constraint if you're shooting for symettry. Now you just have to build the coolest thing you can that's symettrical-ish and even if it's not perfect-given-any-choice-in-the-world it's as perfect as you can make it given that design limit

[rigid wedge]

Just think about it for 10 hours and then make a flat cramped platform with weird conveyor spaghetti

thats how thing are done in my factory

[karmic veldt]

That's a lot of points per seconds #screenshots message

Wow

Isnt this a really, really good recipe ?? #screenshots message

[twin parcel]

#screenshots message

any ideas?

[tall lantern]

the screenshots channel isn't really suited to asking questions, folks

[karmic veldt]

Which one would be to ask a question with a screenshot ?

[crude canyon]

What do you think of this then
#screenshots message

[rigid wedge]

looks like what i would end up with after 3 days of arguing with myself and giving up though it would be less clean

[karmic veldt]

Blade runner 2049 type shi

Looks futuristic and well organized

[crude canyon]

Personally I find symmetry overrated, you only need 1 kitchen in your house

[rigid wedge]

#screenshots message this was my nuclear setup after 5 days of stressing myself and getting nowhere

[rigid wedge]

it is. just cant convince the creature inside my head of it

[karmic veldt]

I'm working on upgrading my fuel central it looks like this so far:
#screenshots message

[tall lantern]

depends on the question. Or you could just use your words 😛
but if you really need a screenshot, then any of #1038092680493801533 , #math-and-meta , #design-and-architecture really, whichever's appropriate for what you're asking

[karmic veldt]

Not the best symmetry but still symmetric

[viral tendon]

I wish we could add notes to buildings

[rigid wedge]

bruh I just noticed that 1 packaged rocket fuel has 2 rocket fuel inside and 1 packaged turbofuel only 1 and rocket fuel has 7200 mj per not 3600

[tall lantern]

chuck a sign next to it

[rigid wedge]

u can kinda

with signs or a map marker

[viral tendon]

Signs are kinda yk

[green fiber]

signs

[viral tendon]

Too big

[green fiber]

there are smaller ones

[rigid wedge]

I just name my trucks and truck stations otherwise I would loose track in less than 20 minutes

[viral tendon]

I want to like write that the consum is 288 but i'm doing 300

[green fiber]

display sign is the perfect size for that

[viral tendon]

But don't they need quartz

[green fiber]

small enough to fit on contructors / smelters

[green fiber]

yeah just get quartz

[viral tendon]

Fuh quartz

[green fiber]

Skill issue

[viral tendon]

I hate it

[viral tendon]

You're the typa person to say skill issue to someone who's parents are dying

[green fiber]

Stop being overly dramatic its quartz and you arent Batman

[tall lantern]

are you comparing quartz difficulty with parents dying

[normal orbit]

quartz is literally miner and constructors, why is it an issue? :p

[tall lantern]

miner, couple constructors, ISCs, DDs, done

[viral tendon]

5 words can't be "overdramatic"

[tall lantern]

IIRC the ratios add up nicely to dump a mix of quartz crystal and silica from one node with integer constructors

[green fiber]

Do you even know what you wrote.

[normal orbit]

silica+quartz crystal require an even 60 together

[green fiber]

You're the typa person to say skill issue to someone who's parents are dying
THATS the overly dramatic part

[viral tendon]

That

That's called overexaggerating

[green fiber]

its both.

[viral tendon]

I said that because it's annoying when people say skill issue to ANYTHING

[viral tendon]

It isn't.

[green fiber]

actually, nevermind.

I dont care about that anymore

[viral tendon]

Then why did you send these 2 messages if you don't care

[unkempt blade]

sounds like a skill issue to me

[viral tendon]

Pure regabait

[rigid wedge]

but by who

[unkempt blade]

not my fault he needs to git gud at not caring more obviously

[viral tendon]

Everyone in this chat

[rigid wedge]

Next time I say turbo fuel is good for anything thats not a random mood of myself please bonk me preemptively

[unkempt blade]

I suppose everyone? Collective skill issue

[viral tendon]

Im crine 😭

The way he's not replying on purpose to prove a point is frine me

[rigid wedge]

once a day I open this chat to someone causing havoc in the household moments before the cleanup crew comes

dont be someone

[tall lantern]

learning when to walk away from a pointless conversation is a useful skill

[viral tendon]

This server sucks

[tall lantern]

not knowing it is a...

[viral tendon]

But it's fun so i'll stay

[unkempt blade]

it's either that or you sink to the conversation's level which can be fun sometimes too

[tall lantern]

sure, that's part of the skill

[viral tendon]

Hoverpack genuinely the best item in the game

[acoustic rose]

SPOILERS DAMNIT

[viral tendon]

The best part in the playthrough is when you unlock a hoverpack

[viral tendon]

How do we know how far are you into the game

[acoustic rose]

It was a joke relax

[viral tendon]

Ok 😭

[crude canyon]

Hover pack is one of those things I can't believe doesn't exist irl yet
Imagine cleaning windows with it

[viral tendon]

How like

Do you want it to work

[acoustic rose]

Sorry it’s early. I’m not usually that spicy

[crude canyon]

Imagine strapping a drone to yourself

[viral tendon]

The size of the fans that are needed to lift up a human body have to be huge

Or VERY powerful

Also ingame it makes you stay in one single spot

Which would be like hard to achieve

[tall lantern]

tech issue

[rigid wedge]

osha would love this

[vapid marsh]

Hi yall

[viral tendon]

Also i just think that the society is not ready for hoverpacks or jetpacks

[unkempt blade]

Really tall stilts are still way cheaper than hoverpacks. That's the real problem

[viral tendon]

Hoverpacks would cost like $500k

Because we live in capitalism

[rigid wedge]

That’s the case for every invention

[viral tendon]

The orville lowk opened my eyes on this one

If someone brings something from the future mega corporations will monetize it and get more power over the world with it

[vapid ice]

Hi everyone, how does it work when it says there’s an output of 83.33/min? Does that mean 83 items come out per minute? Or does it mean that every 4 outputs, one extra item comes out?
Because 0.33 × 4 = 1.32

[viral tendon]

Basically cyberpunk will happen but 10x worse

[unkempt blade]

A recipe has an amount of time it takes. Whenever that amount passes it creates the full amount of output items at one time

the 83.33 is an average over time

[elfin smelt]

per minute

[viral tendon]

After 100 minutes it will produce 33 extra items

Wait no 333 extra items

[normal orbit]

its not producing any extra items

[viral tendon]

So in 100 minutes it will produce 2.733 of something

[elfin smelt]

you can think it will produces 250 every 3 minutes

[viral tendon]

No it produces 249.99 and at some point the production will stop

So it's not going to constant

[normal orbit]

not how it works, so it wont

[viral tendon]

Why wouldn't it

[normal orbit]

cause machines do not produce items in fractions

[elfin smelt]

its just this ratio per minute doesn't yield a nice integer, but each cycle always produces integer number os items

[viral tendon]

Or just underclock the machien for 80 instead of 83.33 a minute

[vapid ice]

can u check in #screenshots and tell me if it is good pls if the 83,33 can be a problem

[tall lantern]

careful it's got quartz in it

[viral tendon]

Not sure what does that have to do with anything

[tall lantern]

.

[elfin smelt]

that's just straigh up flamming

[viral tendon]

Does 750 silica/m go somewhere or it's just sotrage?

[vapid ice]

yea

wait

[viral tendon]

Fym yea 😭

[vapid ice]

check #screenshots

[viral tendon]

God forbid someone hates a resource that's not near the grassy fields spawn point 😭

[viral tendon]

May i ask what do you need so much aluminum sheets for

[normal orbit]

is 600 many? O.o

[vapid ice]

for me

i love big farm

[viral tendon]

Every minute you're going to be 0.01 short so in about 100 minutes you will be 1 single silica short

Wait no

Every 33 minutes o

[elfin smelt]

that's not necessarily the case

[viral tendon]

If the silica isn't going anywhere but storage than you're fine

[viral tendon]

If you need ts for conveyors that's not neccessary vro you're going to unlock mk6's soon enough 😭

[viral tendon]

You don't need alat 😭

[vapid ice]

i know i know but i love big farm pour everything ahahha

[normal orbit]

i used up 2400/min and made 600 more for 3000 :p

[reef basin]

questions should go into #1038092680493801533

[vapid ice]

sorry

[elfin smelt]

just because the items/min is saying .33 in modeler doesnt mean ingame it's less than a third

[vapid ice]

i'm new to this server

[viral tendon]

No memes in #general

Goah why did the number 192 appear like 3 times in my supercomputer production

And it appears again

[unkempt blade]

it's because this game exclusively uses numbers from the fibonacci sequence so you see a lot of repeats like that when you watch for them

[viral tendon]

This sounds both true and false

I am not sure what to believe

[latent prawn]

it means every 3 minutes you get 250 items

[restive umbra]

it also has lots of power/multiples of powers of 2

192 is 64*3

[viral tendon]

ICO or HOR made from oil

[latent prawn]

192 is just one of those numbers you'll see pop up a lot 3^1 * 2^5 this game likes numbers that are multiples of 2 & 3

[viral tendon]

Wait no ICO is trash

[latent prawn]

because splitters can split into 2 or 3 outputs, numbers of the form 2^x * 3^y are always nice numbers

[tough dock]

what is ico

[viral tendon]

An alternate for crystal oscililator

It needs quartz ai limiter and rubber

[ivory bluff]

Ok. Now that I can make blueprints, I realize that the IKEA method is the way to go.
Too bad the blueprint surface is a little narrow at the moment. On the plus side it forces me to think vertically. On the minus side some buildings are just too big and thus I'm quickly limited (ex: coal generators).

[latent prawn]

the oscillator alt is much nicer than the base recipe, but hor is one of the best recipes in the game

[ivory bluff]

Side effect: energy consumption skyrockets.

[viral tendon]

In what way is it the best

Well one of the

[latent prawn]

hor is liquid gold for its 1:2 conversion to fuel, which is useful for power and for recycling loops for plastic & rubber. the hor alt makes the most hor from crude of any recipe

[viral tendon]

Finally done with computers for supercomputers

[crimson ermine]

What is the IKEA method?

[latent prawn]

there's a few alts: copper alloy, solid steel, hor that are just so good that you start with those recipes instead of the defaults and then consider other alts after seeing what those will give you

iron alloy could be considered in that category too, i guess

[crimson ermine]

and why is it called ikea?

[latent prawn]

probably a reference to assembling ikea furniture

[crimson ermine]

makes sense, thanks

[ornate saffron]

thats what he calls it lol

I assume its because you are just quickly placing stuff

[viral tendon]

My fuckass power grid blew

And now i'm trying to make a mini fuel powered factory and when i try to power it with biomass burners it just turns off every time i turn it on, wow

[void cliff]

Go disable heavy power consumers for a few minutes and restart

[viral tendon]

The heavy power consumers are on the other side of the map what i'm trying to do is just quicker

WHY is my biomass burner not powering a miner

[void cliff]

Skill issue

[viral tendon]

I believe this is more of a game issue and not a skill issue

[void cliff]

Nope

[viral tendon]

Yope

[tall lantern]

spelling issue

does it actually make enough power?

[viral tendon]

Miner uses 15 and bomass burner makes 30

[tall lantern]

assuming no overclocking

[stoic pasture]

over cloacked, summers loop crystal?

[tall lantern]

can't sloop miners

[viral tendon]

Biomass burner just doesn't produce anything

[desert ermine]

i restarted in the desert spawn because i was getting really irritated having to build around cliffs in the forest and i may have automated smart plating before even building the space elevator.

[dense violet]

build multiple floors - never have to 'build around cliffs' again

[viral tendon]

Only the capacity goes up and not the production tf

Yo i'm a dumbass

It was because of the hoverpack

[reef basin]

Could've just moved the hub

[desert ermine]

that new save only has like 3 hours on it. i spent most of that time exploring the area. i like the space more than the forest but the forest looks nicer.

[earnest condor]

Which desert?

[desert ermine]

easy

[earnest condor]

That is not an actual name of any location in the game...

And both deserts are easy.

[desert ermine]

the first one

[earnest condor]

I have... questions.
But I will keep them to myself.

[desert ermine]

rocky desert not dune

[white dawn]

Indeed! I'd meant the "regular" gas mask filters specifically

[desert ermine]

whats up with the satisfactory tools site? it wont register more than 1 alternate recipe.

[tall lantern]

works for me

[ornate saffron]

Im having no issue. What are the recipes you are trying to use

[desert ermine]

bolted frame altrernate recipe with cast screws alternate recipe.

[tall lantern]

you may need to disable the default recipes to force it to use an alt

[ornate saffron]

Turn off the regular frame recipe

[tall lantern]

tools has a particular idea of "efficiency" (weighted by resource rarity) so might not use the one you want to

[ornate saffron]

Tools weighs recipes a certain way. Often by resource rarity or minimal input maximum output.

[desert ermine]

fixed it. so it looks like if i do this with cast screws, bolted plates, and bolted frames i need a few extra constructors for screws but only 3 assemblers total.

for 10/m

[ornate saffron]

@shrewd raptor

Wrong place for that.

But my guess its a issue with upscaling technology

#off-topic-media message

[ornate saffron]

Glad its all figured out.

[shrewd raptor]

It also happens without upscaling. Where should i have posted the pictures?

[ornate saffron]

#screenshots

or #1038092680493801533 if you want help solving the issue

[exotic wolf]

merry christmas guys

[pliant heath]

Happy new years

[high elk]

Insane how thanks to satisfactory I've learnt that CNT microchips are infact a thing

I did NOT know there's a whole sector of microchip manufacturing that uses carbon instead of silicone

All because of the electrode circuit board recipe which uses coke instead of copper

[mortal ginkgo]

ok but now ask the same thing regarding how come a Heavy Modular Frame asks for 230x BOXES full of screws

[reef basin]

Each box only has one or two screws

[mortal ginkgo]

lets assume each contain 100 screws at minimum. That is 23.000 screws

[mortal ginkgo]

Holy.

[reef basin]

Rest of them are rivets

[restive umbra]

to keep it fastened securely

[reef basin]

Or bolts

[reef basin]

And this is official lore

[high elk]

I mean, ok that might make a little less sense

[restive umbra]

Satisfactory lore: the screws item contains one size of every fastener you need. When needed, recipes that take screws will remove the one fastener they need from the pile and discard the rest

Efficiency

[worn oar]

Then why do I need 50 piles to make a modular frame? I thought FICSIT didn't waste⁉️

[restive umbra]

Nobody has invented a more efficient way yet

[earnest condor]

Mc had the idea the other day when we were brainstorming other uses for Dissolved Silica that they could make a "monocrystal oscillator" alt recipe using the liquid and that is how I learned those are actually a thing 😁

[ornate saffron]

Or every screw is the same

[stone python]

that sounds way too efficient

[earnest condor]

iirc they aren't threaded even in the most hi-res model.
Meaning FICSIT makes them blank and then custom-threads them later.

The real question @restive umbra is where does the Wood come from for the Wire spools? 😭

[hollow mountain]

guys why is the train crying over "signal making the next stop unreachable" when all signal are working fine?

[mortal ginkgo]

probably a signal is reverse positioned. Trains care about that alot

[twin parcel]

why tf the textures glitching ? im on exp 1.2

[gleaming wasp]

yo i got an idea for a building

basically it looks like the packager

[mortal ginkgo]

because it is experimental, and yes some stuff are z-fighting etc

[gleaming wasp]

and you can put iron, copper or caterium ingots in

[dense violet]

your station is probably facing the wrong way

[gleaming wasp]

and turn them into molten forms

which are liquid

[mortal ginkgo]

there is a mod for that, alas a silly one

[gleaming wasp]

and then you could use the aluminum canisters to package the molten liquids

and then you'd have another one of those buildings at the other side to solidify them again

essentially the opposite of a packager

[gleaming wasp]

mod name?

[hollow mountain]

bbruh it was that

[mortal ginkgo]

dunno, just saw reddit post about it and unbalanced it is etc

[gleaming wasp]

the incentive would be that it would be more compact

[earnest condor]

So you're taking solids, which you can move at 1200/min and turning them into liquids, which can move only at 600/min?

Meaning you want... slower logistics?

[gleaming wasp]

so like you could store 3 iron ingot's worth into 1m³

the ingots don't look anywhere near to 1m³

also you could mabye use it in some alt recipies or sum

[mortal ginkgo]

big dawg wanting more fluid shenanigans while they are alreayd problematic

[earnest condor]

You're adding layers now.

[mortal ginkgo]

brother is unhinged, brother is mental, out of control

[earnest condor]

It went from "make it cool liquid" to "make it cool liquid but also make sure it has a compression ratio."

🤔

[gleaming wasp]

yeah so you're incentived to use the liquid

otherwise there would be no benefit

[minor rock]

i mean should be abl to fit way more than 3 iron ingot into 1m

[rigid wedge]

Not having hcl is problematic

Imagine not being able to exploit the sea water around the map

[earnest condor]

"I want them to add an objectively best way to move stuff"..

Yeah, I'm against that on principle.

[rigid wedge]

Ficsit doesnt waste

[gleaming wasp]

okay then make it slightly more compact

because otherwise there is no reason to make a whole new building for it

[dense violet]

do that by further manufacturing the items. Boom compact

[rigid wedge]

Satisfactory plus mod?

[earnest condor]

There's no middle ground.
You either have 2:1 compression where it is equal and no one uses it because it costs space and power to achieve.. nothing
Or you have a better compression than that and it becomes objectively better and everyone uses it always.

[rigid wedge]

I can’t wait to play that when it gets ported to 1.2

[gleaming wasp]

2.5:1?

[earnest condor]

See the second point.

[rigid wedge]

It still requires a lot of packagers and more stuff to do the stuff tho?

[gleaming wasp]

2.1:1

[gleaming wasp]

that's what i thought

that the addition of all of that would offset the compression

[earnest condor]

I like that you like your idea and that it makes you happy.
I just never want them ever to add it to the game because of the balance problems it causes.

[rigid wedge]

Maybe it’s because people are scared of fluids because other say they are scary

[earnest condor]

I have no fear of fluids whatsoever.

[rigid wedge]

And I just use it because I’m used to it from other game

[earnest condor]

Most fluid issues are the same as most 1.1 trucking issues -- user error.

[rigid wedge]

Remove packager and train problem solved

*joking

[gleaming wasp]

let the players use a railgun to fling items across the map

but you gotta aim it just right

[rigid wedge]

Or jump pads

[gleaming wasp]

if you don't you'll just come back to find a massive pile of items that you gotta pick up 1 by 1

[dense violet]

that's basically drones

[jolly solstice]

jump pad conveyor belt attachment 🔥

[gleaming wasp]

nah like you've gotta calculate the trajectory and allat

and then there's no setup required

you just shoot it directly onto a conveyor belt

[dense violet]

you calculate the trajectory by placing the other port down

[gleaming wasp]

i mean for the cannon

[rigid wedge]

theres a mod in minecraft called create which actually has exactly that

[jolly solstice]

yuuup, quite the thing i was referring to

[rigid wedge]

Never really dove into it tho, I like the conveyors and trains but... well thats how I ended up here too

satisfactory hooked me instantly