satisfactory

[unique hazel]

i waited until the convayors stopped completly and i think its working

bruh thats hella expencive

[worn oar]

bruh

[next ivy]

well, using T2 belts all along the coal gens without upgrading the miner belt is...

completly useless

[unique hazel]

id need to drop like 150 renencofed plates

also ive got a question about how to paly the game

[next ivy]

so youve wasted a bunch of plates, if youre really concerned about cost

[worn oar]

But didn't you hear him, it's expensive to solve the problem so he wants half the output instead

[unique hazel]

do people use 1 drill for 1 item then use a diff vein to make another item or do they make a end game item and have overflows filtering the lower end items out

[dense violet]

1. automate everything then everything is free
2. why so much? burn coal that is right next to water

[smoky fox]

Are the liquids still have bugs?

[next ivy]

if a miner makes more than you need for a wanted product, you can use the excess for other stuff

[dense violet]

no

[worn oar]

Your ability to extract and use more of each node will increase as you tech up and unlock milestones. Start out 1:1 and then build more complicated later

[unique hazel]

thats the closest coal node nextr to the water

[worn oar]

Also generally this game is more fun if you just learn as go instead of prematurely optimizing. So I recommend doing what looks good to you instead of asking the best way to do anything

[stoic salmon]

Is there a way to automatically expel water out when making aluminum stuff rather than recycling it back into the system?

[unique hazel]

okay thanks

[next ivy]

using it for something else

[dense violet]

every start zone has at least 1 area with 3-4 coal nodes RIGHT on the water.
Better go find a more convenient place

[smoky fox]

I'm extracting 600 cruil oil, but the latest refineries can't keep up with the demand.

[unique hazel]

move it to an on land coal burner

[next ivy]

but no, theres no liquid dump or sink

[dense violet]

show some overhead images of your layout in #math-and-meta

[stoic salmon]

so there's no way to just like void it

[unique hazel]

wait rlly ?

[dense violet]

yes

[unique hazel]

can anyone else vouch for him that its real

[dense violet]

it's part of hte problem solving. It's very easy though

[worn oar]

Can you stop this and just play lmao

You do not need to optimize anything before nuclear in satisfactory.

[stoic salmon]

I mean I've recycled it back into the aluminum and it works fine just would rather void it if it was an option but I guess not

[worn oar]

But yes it's true

[next ivy]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map
go and check yourself

[steel kelp]

Recycling was more fun in my experience fwiw

[unique hazel]

bruh im tryna learn abt the game tf

[faint willow]

The one in the grassy start area pisses me off a bit because it's just not quite level enough to where I can do what I want with the miners

[dense violet]

I mean you can burn the water off by processing it into something? tons more work though for no good reason

[next ivy]

playing the game is one of the best ways to learn it

[worn oar]

Ok new suggestion for you, watch every tiktok about satisfactory you can find and don't even try to play until you've mastered every single part of the game just from watching tiktok

Have fun!

[dense violet]

build foundations slightly higher up than the terrain.
flat space.
done

[next ivy]

ofc theres only so much you can come up with on your own, island syndrome and so on, but you can get through it alone no problem

[dense violet]

then build multiple floors , infinite flat space

[faint willow]

I know, that's the problem. It's not quite doing what I want it to. Been finagling this setup for the past like 20 minutes.

[unique hazel]

this is why you spend all r life on dc you no life bum bro how about you stop being rude n let people be inquisitive

[faint willow]

Probably gonna end up using belt elevators and having them belt on top of each other.

[unique hazel]

im just tryna learn n r acting all high n mighty bec youve spent more hours on a game i have very few in

[dense violet]

what's the issue exactly?

[dense violet]

just ignore them and play around with things.
the milestones are basically a tutorial

[unique hazel]

thanks hes shut up now XD

[next ivy]

bro is a peak victim

[worn oar]

Nah he can't learn by doing, let him be spoonfed tiktoks

[faint willow]

Hard to explain without physically showing it off, but I guess the easiest way I can try is I'm very much obsessed with making buildings. Not exactly the most efficient but hey, my game, I want it to look pretty. The thing is I had to install Infinite Nudge, and now it's just a matter of figuring out a way to cleanly get the coal down the beach towards the water without spamming belts. Trying to make it look nice is all.

[dense violet]

I don't think that's a grassy fields issue

it's one of the flatest areas on the map

[faint willow]

It's at least a 50% me thing, I know

[dense violet]

Build on the ocean I guess?

[worn oar]

How about tractors? I love tractors for coal stuff

[dense violet]

slightly better than making sky infrastructure

[faint willow]

I mean the coal is literally right next to the lake, don't know how I feel about trucking it all of a couple hundred feet

[worn oar]

Oh

[dense violet]

#design-and-architecture is a good channel for that too.

[faint willow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worn oar]

I mean it's a couple hundred feet, dunno what you are expecting here. That's perfect for belts TBH

[faint willow]

I'm probably overthinking it. Pretty sure I have a Ph.D. in overcomplication. Never mind me, I'll have it figured out in like an hour.

[elfin smelt]

thinking is good, but thinking too much can be worse

[worn oar]

If you don't like belts on the ground how about an x-wide pillar, where x is the number of nodes you are bringing. One pillar at the start to bring them together, one where you separate. And concrete foundations in between

[stoic salmon]

I get you I just don't want something to accidentally back up and it gets blocked and backs up

[steel kelp]

the need to do it correctly was what i found fun loll

[stoic salmon]

Fair

[steel kelp]

its pretty easily done w vip junctions though, but its more fun figuring out the numbers yourself

[stoic salmon]

Well I mean I did the math to recycle and RN it works

[steel kelp]

lol nothing is a sure thing with fluids unfortunately

[stoic salmon]

Ye that's why I said RN it works 😂

[fiery root]

Do u guys kbow the older fella who is giving out tipps on Youtube?

[winged root]

Gents I’m a tad confused on excited photonic matter input requirements as well as what is the method for dark matter residue disposal (if there is any)

[worn oar]

||The simple explanation is that excited matter is made for only the cost of power, but its use creates byproducts (dark matter residue) that must be used or removed. You'll eventually need lots of dark matter.||

Dark matter uses are found on the wiki or the Codex (Press N, type dark matter).

[winged root]

I see, makes sense. Thanks for the heads up I’ll make a storage for it to use in the last part

[worn oar]

I would suggest you start making it only when you need the photonic matter, as excited photonic matter is 200/min per machine

Unless I misunderstand what you said

[mint cradle]

Yall wanna see my encased beam factory I just finished

It’s just a big orange cube lol

[winged root]

Yeah I need it for 5th phase and didn’t understand why it required no input

[worn oar]

It's photons! 😀

Or more accurately it's photons if we could phase change them, which I don't think is possible. But FICSIT has found the way

[winged root]

Clearly her SAM sugar daddy provided the recipe

[mint cradle]

Ok so now onto oil power

[worn oar]

@mint coral your phone has 16 GB of RAM? o.O

[mint coral]

24gb ram actually lmao

[lucid hamlet]

sweet mother of automation-

[worn oar]

What in the

Mine has 4 GB lol

What kind of phone is it?

[mint coral]

Red magic 11 pro

[faint willow]

I have nothing nice to say

[tall lantern]

that's nice dear

[sinful laurel]

Mine has 12 GB

[worn oar]

Hmm $700 is it just me or does that seem reasonable for what you get?

[sinful laurel]

Sounds good

[mint coral]

It's definitely worth it, the 24gb model is 1k tho

[faint willow]

The fact that $700 is considered reasonable hurts my soul

[worn oar]

Oh oops it's $1150 for the RAM upgrade nevermind

[worn oar]

Mate I have a $150 phone, I get it.

[normal orbit]

redmagic is really good value

[faint willow]

Meanwhile my $90 piece of shit has somehow managed to survive the last five years

And that's even with the fact I physically cannot charge it anymore without looping the cable AND sitting my phone on my wallet

[mint coral]

I just wanted satisfactory in my pocket lol, worth it to me

[normal orbit]

get specs similar to €1000+ flagships, and hidden camera hole punch and no camera bump is nice :p

[hexed phoenix]

I mean.. Can it call? ✅ ... Can it text? ✅ ... Does it have reasonable app support? ✅ - Then my phone is just fine :P

[worn oar]

But this is anything made in the last 10 years or so lol

[tall lantern]

is it #off-topic-tech ? ✅

[mint coral]

Lol

[faint willow]

that's it

jarvis, touch him

[lucid hamlet]

[now running fushigiballs.exe]

[faint willow]

did you mean fushigi

[lucid hamlet]

yes

thanks for the spellcheck

[faint willow]

You're welcome, citizen

[normal orbit]

its kinda odd how the bot spam is auto detected and deleted, but the user isnt banned, and just keep doing it in every channel one by one :p

[magic perch]

Anyones got a hint on why i cannot place a miner on any node in my server?

[cursive crane]

is there a rock on top of it

[magic perch]

Yeah i guess but not one of these giant rocks, just a small rock of the same material

[worn oar]

Red or yellow

[magic perch]

Non

I wish i could send a pic here

[cursive crane]

#screenshots ?

[worn oar]

You have to mine the small rock anywhere on top of the node before placing a miner

In 1.2 you can also blow it up with nobelisks

[faint willow]

Question, will the nuke nobelisk delete the vines that sit on the bigger rocks too?

[magic perch]

Oh my gosh I am so stupid 😓 Well thanks for the help

[unkempt blade]

ignorance is ok, you're amazing and talented and I believe in you learning how to mine rocks

[normal orbit]

the game usually shows you offending things in a red outline

like animals, rocks, you :p

[unkempt blade]

I wouldn't even offend a fly! I'm harmless!

[kind charm]

Is there a mod that adds buildings that just spawn items? I am trying to build some creative stuff for testing.

[unkempt blade]

there's AGS without mods 🙂

[kind charm]

ags what

[normal orbit]

can spawn items in games creative mode

[kind charm]

No I mean per machine.

Like I hook up a conveyor and select what item spawns on the conveyor.

[normal orbit]

build a box, fill it with items, attach belt

[kind charm]

[white dawn]

I think so, yes, though don't know the name off the top of my head. The mod database should be easy enough to search/browse

[kind charm]

What mod database?

[white dawn]

The one you find when you search "satisfactory mods" in your search engine of choice. :)

[kind charm]

Aha.

Bro so much has changed since update 0.4

[unkempt blade]

advanced game settings

[kind charm]

Is 1.0 out?

[normal orbit]

awhile ago yes

[kind charm]

Dang

[normal orbit]

sep-24

[cursive topaz]

speaking of updates when is 1.2 do we know yet

[white dawn]

We do not, no

They did say that last week's EXP patch would be the last one before the public v1.2 release, so that might say something about how quickly they might want to move on it

(although that patch did introduce at least one kind of nasty crash bug, so I'd personally sort of expect them to do another hotfix patch on exp anyway)

[small nexus]

does anybody know how to improve performance

[next ivy]

buy a better pc

build less

[unkempt blade]

I just always assume it'll be tomorrow because I'm a optimist

[normal orbit]

lower settings, use upscaling

if you're cpu bound due to calculations, you kinda out of luck without a better one

[white dawn]

-# cardio

[ornate saffron]

There is a modding discord too

[cursive topaz]

Turn off global illumination it’s not that much different

[unkempt blade]

don't forget to build less stuff or get a better computer!

[cursive topaz]

Build less stuff but I need to make nuclear pasta

[ornate saffron]

Walls can help. The game only renders what the player can see.

[unkempt blade]

you can still do that just less quickly

now if you want to lower performance I have lots of tips for that... start with using way more lights

[normal orbit]

like 200.000 signs in one factory? :D

[sour mulch]

Has anybody actually completed a no jetpack playthrough

[unkempt blade]

I've only been using the parachute for exploration in 1.1

it's just the jetpack but better

[cursive topaz]

What are u on

[ornate saffron]

Ya, its fine ziplines are great

[unkempt blade]

just caffeine at the moment

[sour mulch]

Phase 4 no jetpack

[normal orbit]

and powdered factory carts? :p

[sour mulch]

Basically the pioneer is forbidden from flying, no hoverpacks or parachutes either

[cursive topaz]

I’m just trying to build a heavy frame factory

[unkempt blade]

What about minecrafting my way to places with ramps? Can I still do that?

[normal orbit]

jump pads only :p

[cursive topaz]

I have never built a single jump pad

Not one

[sour mulch]

No jump pads, however hyptubes are allowed

[cursive topaz]

I lowkey wish we could build over the void in the south east side of the map

[worn oar]

You can put trains whereever

I wonder if there's a mod to remove the map size limits "at your own risk"

[unkempt blade]

you should try them and then try driving a factory cart over them

[cursive topaz]

Satisfactory 2 bigger map please

Much much much bigger

[gleaming wasp]

would the fastest way to move an item across a straight line to be hook up a bunch of storage units back-to-back and connect them all with mk.7 conveyors?

[unkempt blade]

you should do an experiment and find out

over a long enough distance I'd guess the answer is "send it into a depot and take it out by hand"

[reef basin]

mk7 conveyors don't exist

[gleaming wasp]

my bad

mk6*

[gleaming wasp]

kk

[faint willow]

Is there a way to force a t-junction in the pipes, or is it purely x-junctions?

[normal orbit]

1.2 has t-junctions

[faint willow]

Damn

[ivory bluff]

Hello,
I'm a little confused: I can't seem to find the option to change a plan's name once it has been saved. Am I missing something?

[fluid sapphire]

You're not, can't do it like that

[normal orbit]

you can't, save it with a new name and delete old

[earnest condor]

Or exit the game and alter the file name in your bp folder.

[ivory bluff]

Thank you very much for your answers!
Huh... That's a weird issue.

Any chance it's on the 1.2 changelog? (one can dream)

[normal orbit]

its not, prob an issue with how the blueprints are saved :p

the name is an actual filename, which is also why blueprints wonk out when you have a space in start or end of your game session name

[ornate saffron]

why cant you. i dont htink the death box is really closxe

[ornate saffron]

reload it on the Blueprinmter then save as a different name

[reef basin]

#patch-notes

[ivory bluff]

... Weird... I made fundation plans to easily build 4*4 grids, but I can't seem to be able to anchor the foundations on the world grid that way (no issue with regular placement).

[reef basin]

wouldn't recommend using WG

[normal orbit]

blueprints do not snap to world grid

[ivory bluff]

Shucks...

[ivory bluff]

Hello. May I ask why, please?

[reef basin]

not really any good reason for it. It limits you in terms of creativity, cannot fit things into terrain when limited to only one orientation and position

also, everything in right angles and rotated the same way just doesn't look cool imo

[ivory bluff]

OK, thank you for your answer!
I'll still redo my starter base, if only to set-up 2m foundations instead of 1m (the grass clipping is annoying me way too much).

[warped whale]

I actually like using the grid, but I am not intensely creative. I like them being organized.

[reef basin]

I'd build new and keep old. redoing things is a lot of work with not much gain

[reef basin]

grid is fine, but I'd stick to local grids rather than keeping everything on a single grid

[winged root]

Is dark matter crystals the only sink for dark matter residue

Can I not just take a sharp stick and poke a few holes in the pipe

[normal orbit]

building roads and train lines, i at least just curve and go around terrain, and when i arrive where i wanna build, i just use whatever grid those are at on arrival :p

its also not super hard to make two grids meet

by the power of BEAMS

[bold ice]

Hey guys, I haven't played for a while but I got a question: Does the drones now work properly? That even in long game they don't suddenly disappear/run out of fuel/lose drone station etc? Or do they still count as untrustworthy logistics?

[reef basin]

yeah, they work fine

they never were "untrustworthy"

[bold ice]

They were in my opinion. If I trusted drones to carry out mandatory logistics, everything went to haywire

[reef basin]

they are as reliable as anything. If they broke, it's most likely user error

[distant pilot]

are you sure you're not weary of that because of trucks doing similar things? because I dont think that's ever happened with drones and idk how it would

[bold ice]

I used to have multiple drones per station, but after problema stafted I then started to so two stations per one drone only as extra logistic. Still at some point I noticed the drone was hovering over station with full cargo, lost in pathing

[normal orbit]

i used drones in my nuclear plant, worked fine once i sorted out the user errors

[distant pilot]

I dont think multiple drones per station is possible (unless you mean multiple outgoing drones to one incoming port)

[normal orbit]

if a drone hovers and can't land its cause theres another drone loading/unloading and it cannot do so, which means you've set it up wrong to not empty it out.

[bold ice]

It's been a while so I don't remember excatly. However if you guys think drones work 100% fine then it must been user problem. Gotta try again then

[hollow mountain]

is it even worth it to go turbo fuel when rocket fuel exist?

[distant pilot]

Why use combustible fuels when plutonium is right there

[reef basin]

is it even worth it to go rocket fuel if nuclear and diluted fuel exist?

[distant pilot]

Diluted fuel is just the normal fuel item

[reef basin]

I know

[distant pilot]

So why not diluted fuel made into turbo/rocket fuel?

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message this was 100% user error on my part :p but was fixable and it all ran fine after

[reef basin]

why take the extra steps if I will just do nuclear anyway

[hollow mountain]

i mean rocket fuel is easier than turbo fuel to make

[reef basin]

diluted fuel is easier than both

needs just oil and water

[hollow mountain]

yeah but normal fuel suck

[distant pilot]

But... you need turbo fuel for rocket fuel

No I will not do nitro rocket fuel

[hollow mountain]

lets say i already unlock turbo fuel

and rocket

[normal orbit]

depending how much you build, power demand varies. you can easily beat game on normal fuel, you can make a big rocket fuel power plant, and you can make nuclear. do whatever you wanna do

[hollow mountain]

i guess

[fluid sapphire]

Be prepared to build hundreds of generators

[hollow mountain]

im ok with that

[normal orbit]

you can make turbo fuel, turn it into rocket fuel and feed the compacted coal byproduct back to turbo. or make diluted fuel and just tack on nitro rocket fuel to that and do whatever with the byproduct compacted coal. lotta options

[reef basin]

or tens of NPPs for same result 🙂

[fluid sapphire]

Hardly, the extra work upfront for nuclear is much more than whatever you need to do for nitro rocket fuel

[reef basin]

not hardly... given same clock speed, you build 10 times less gens if you do nuclear over fuel-based

[glossy scarab]

How do I know how much an item is worth before it is sinked?

[reef basin]

check wiki

[glossy scarab]

I did

[fluid sapphire]

You're not just building generators though, the machinework and logistics to actually produce what you burn is more involved for nuclear

[glossy scarab]

Unclear

[reef basin]

which I'm very much aware of... but that wasn't the point of my message

[reef basin]

what's unclear there?

[elfin smelt]

if there's no sink value it's probably unsinkable I guess

[fluid sapphire]

Well, it was mine, you can't just look at the generator side of things, ignoring everything else makes the whole comparison pointless

[glossy scarab]

Where do I find it?

[reef basin]

at each item's page, or on sink page, or probably in other places as well

[reef basin]

you said "be prepared to build hundreds of gens" (clearly talking about number of generators, ignoring other things). I just replied that for generators, nuclear is 10 times less

[orchid solstice]

Did someone know anything about game freezes when I change window ?

[mint cradle]

yo so i dont need to place down more depots after unlocking manual uploader? i can just upload anything i want from my inv

[reef basin]

well depots are for automated production 🙂

[fluid sapphire]

Whatever, just because I specifically didn't write a paragraph comparing the options doesn't mean it should be ignored

It's a counterpoint

[reef basin]

just because I didn't mention other things you need to build doesn't mean they don't exist

same thing

[fluid sapphire]

"same result" dawg

[reef basin]

I'm aware of more complexity involved in nuclear (once you go with alts and stuff), but my point was simply comparing output of a gen

[fluid sapphire]

Sure

Doesn't matter, they are going with rocket fuel

[reef basin]

I love how you speak for them

[normal orbit]

if thats what you wanna do, but you have to manually drag and drop stuff to upload it, vs jsut having storage containers with depots attached to upload as you use things

[reef basin]

normal fuel is fine

[fluid sapphire]

I read minds, you know that already

[restive umbra]

The best fuel is the one you’re making

I do enjoy building big fuel generator setups

[scenic nymph]

guys where is the bugs catagory

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @leaden turret

[latent prawn]

to me it's a necessary evil. i find building fuel/turbofuel/rocketfuel kind of boringly large

[mint cradle]

600 quickwire per min probably not needed but nie

nice

[gleaming wasp]

i do like me some quickwire

[mint cradle]

i needed a lil to make oil gens but then decided since imma need it anyways might aswell make it a factory

boutta start on oil power rn

[normal orbit]

not needed? :p

[mint cradle]

straight into a dimensonal depot so ill never have to come back to this place again

i love these things

sucks how most caterium is far away from anything else

once i get trains imma harvest a new node near my oil beach and start making plastic ai limiters there

[normal orbit]

caterium usually has copper nearby, since those two go together

unless you randomize nodes :p

[mint cradle]

the one im near does have a lil copper but i dont need it rn

i dont need copper anymore cause of the alt recipes i got

oughta put all that extra plastic to use

[normal orbit]

lol

[mint cradle]

also caterium circuit boards tuff

[mint cradle]

i have like 2 full industrial storage containers

of plastic

[hard wolf]

fused quickwire = belting up less nodes and finding a use for that copper

[mint cradle]

lemme see what recipes i havent chosen yet ive scanned like 10 today

[normal orbit]

not gonna spoil anything, but i've a feeling you're gonan be eating those words :p

[mint cradle]

whatttt

does something really need plastic later on

recycled rubber or rubber concrete

eh iimma reroll it dont matter rn

[reef basin]

pick one you like

[reef basin]

always need plastic

[mint cradle]

coke steel ingot seems tuff

[worn oar]

Tuff is an igneous rock, so no it isn't

[mint cradle]

but does my train of thought seem wrong why introduce yet another resource when im alrady making extra plastic rn

if i need more plastic later on i can just make more or switch over to copper

[reef basin]

wdym by "introduce yet another resource"?

[mint cradle]

for the ai limiters

[mint cradle]

nvm

ill make ai limiters here and the circuit boards with my extra plastic

ai limiter with copper instead

[hard wolf]

there's always electrode circuit board

also HOR/diluted fuel/residual plastic+rubber/ recycled plastic+rubber can massively reduce the the amount of crude you need, and you can use some residue to make coke

[normal orbit]

or massively increase the amount of plastic and rubber you make :D

[hard wolf]

10/10 recipe combo :3

[onyx mortar]

Guys, are there any Russian players in the chat? I need help with my world

[reef basin]

why can only russians help?

[onyx mortar]

I don't speak other languages ​​well

[reef basin]

many people with broken english can get reasonable enough help in #1038092680493801533 🙂

but it's usually best to describe your issue first

[mint cradle]

what does this use to make em

[hard wolf]

rubber and coke

[mint cradle]

what thats so tuff

literally can be made from byproducts only

rn im doing a oil power plants and gonna use the by products to make more plastic and rubber

and use the rubber and plastic im making rn for the caterium circuits and limiters

and once i find that recipe ill switch to that

[onyx mortar]

I don't have a specific problem. I just need help optimizing the factory. I just need some tips to better understand the game.

[reef basin]

Best tip imo is to learn on your own. Every next factory will be better than the previous one

[onyx mortar]

This is very sweet. Thank you

[untold moat]

My two best tips:
Everything is relative. There's no centric"best" way to do something.
Calculators are your friends, spreadsheets too.

[whole robin]

Sombersloops doubles the outputs of items, including their byproducts, right?

[hollow mountain]

should be both yeah

is there a mod to research hard drive faster?

[hard wolf]

imo a scientific calculator, or even something more basic (like an old desk calculator with big buttons) is really nice for this game

having a decent amount of screen space and the ability to scroll through history is also important, though

[mint cradle]

bruh sometimes pipes just be messing up

[blazing parcel]

I haven't got a mod but I build a MAM each time I open up a crash site and research the hard drive straight away until there are no more available recipes left. You can delete the MAM once you have set the drive running.

[hollow mountain]

thats what i normaly do but im at 10+ hard drive waiting for that one recipe for aluminum

[hard wolf]

with water I've found that the answer is more xwx I don't usually have issues with other fluids if I let the machines back up all the way into the next line of production before starting it

[latent prawn]

why you leave the recipes unselected after researching the drive

[mint cradle]

its my fuel thats not making sense

240 from extractor into 4 fuel refineries into 8 fuel gens idk if it just takes time to accumulate the fluid in the pipes or what

[latent prawn]

i.e. only pick between the two choices when you need the recipe

[hollow mountain]

i do that too

[hard wolf]

you can set the generators to 1% clock speed until the lines feeding them saturate

also looping the fuel lines back and around everything so it all interconnects can also help

[mint cradle]

ty

[hard wolf]

also if I did another tall fuel plant at this point I'd use a water tower instead of trying to just pipe everything up

np ^-^

[mint cradle]

this is my first time dealing with fuel so its a lil confusing

god help me when its time to set up manufactuers

[pliant dust]

#design-and-architecture message any ideas on how to deal with this?

[hard wolf]

ime the production line part of fluids is usually fine, aside from managing water byproducts. it's liquid fuel to generators where I find the most issues. it gets a lot better with rocket fuel since it doesn't need headlift, and I've either not had any issues with sloshing there, or I did and they were so minimal/shortlived that I didn't notice them

[mint cradle]

fluids in this game can slosh

is that why randomly fluid amount goes up and down

[hard wolf]

yeah, and that can cause a lot of issues, especially with water. you might be feeding enough into a production line, but because it's sloshing none of the machines will get any/enough

[hard wolf]

yes. that's part of why I suggest feeding in more water

[mint cradle]

im not at the water part yet but i should probably be using the polymer for more plastic production

i had to overlcock my oil node since i thought it was pure lol

[earnest condor]

Where are you getting Polymer from?

[mint cradle]

fuel production

[earnest condor]

🙁

[mint cradle]

polymer resin my bad

why sad face

[earnest condor]

Yeah I know what Poly is.

Because Oil -> Fuel is "not good" 🙁 When you can Oil -> Plastic/Rubber -> Fuel

[mint cradle]

your right dammit

[earnest condor]

If you recall that was the very first thing I said about oil setups... 😭

[mint cradle]

yeah my apoligies

i already set this whole thing up time to tear down

wait but cant i just use the polymer to make plastic and rubber anyways?

nvm you also need water for that

[winged root]

20 min away from phase 5 end

It’s been a long journey

[west ingot]

That's what I just did

2 Plastic refineries, 2 Rubber refineries, 1 Fuel refinery with the byproducts

[mint cradle]

[rough crest]

the satisfactory interactive map is amazing! I just discovered it

I loaded my save and see everything I wish it was like this in game is there any mods that does it?

[mint cradle]

alr so 16 refinerys 8 plastic 8 rubber and 4 residual fuel refinerys

[fossil shale]

Is there some sort of way to like grow biomass

[white dawn]

Not in the vanilla game, no. The most "renewable" path to biomass is alien remains

But no way to automate the initial collection

[leaden turret]

-# #1201555265942724758 "biomass gatherers wanted"

[white dawn]

Though if you make a vehicle path past some enemy spawns and occasionally go near it, you'll find some li'l treasures to pick up along the paths sometimes. :D

[stoic salmon]

can canned turbo fuel go straight into the fuel generator

[leaden turret]

is what packager is for

aka "no"

[stoic salmon]

oh cool

[leaden turret]

no belt input on the fuelgen, gotta unpack the fuel and recycle / sink the empty canisters

[whole robin]

Does nitro rocket fuel use more sulfur per rocket fuel than turbo blend -> rocket fuel?

[mint cradle]

1 per min modular engine is actually ludicrous

[flint phoenix]

Oil -> residue -> fuel >:)

[whole robin]

The fuel turns into a smiley face?

[flint phoenix]

Yes it does, the most powerful resource

[mint cradle]

ok so i have a plan

since im going to be making an extreme amount of plasitc per min im going to make a train line from my new caterium factory to the plastic and begin producing circuit boards from it

[winged root]

Hell yeah

[mint cradle]

and with that same plastic begin computers

and guess what

[unkempt blade]

well kind of... but not smiling exactly #screenshots message

[mint cradle]

since i also need cable for computers i can just use quickwire cable with the ruber im producing too

[glossy scarab]

why is my foundry not working?

[glacial totem]

Am I understanding correctly.. I built a refinery, which causes a Heavy Oil Residue byproduct. I can refine that to another product that the awesome sink can handle. So I need two refineries in a chain?

[glossy scarab]

#screenshots

[mint cradle]

connect it to power

[glossy scarab]

i have power

[glacial totem]

I replied but I can't see my reply

[mint cradle]

jsut try connecting it to another pole

[glossy scarab]

others work

[glacial totem]

I dunno "no power" is pretty damning

[glossy scarab]

uhhhhhh

hold on

let me go along my power lines for a min

yeah ok i fixed it

fixsit

i should say

anyways...

[cold berry]

IRL oil is so fucky. Like we make so many products from it. Plastic, fuel, oil, food dye (yes we eating that shit, that's likely why food dye is so bad for us), lubricants, fertilizers, pesticides

[glossy scarab]

why are most of my constructors like 96%

[cold berry]

I kinda wish we had more byproducts to make even lol

I also kinda wish we stopped relying on oil IRL but that's a different question lol 🍵

[mint cradle]

likely not getting exact amounts or backed up

make sure your producing exact amount thats needed by each one

[glacial totem]

well if it helps, polyester clothing is often made from recycled oil

[cold berry]

I forgot that one. Meant to write "textiles"

Industrial cloth/rope material, metal additive

[mint cradle]

if there was pollution in this game everything would be dead in a week

[cold berry]

America has a lot of scientists and money, and a lot of oil greed. And refining oil IRL produces Ethalyne, which is otherwise a useless byproduct if we don't use it. So we can turn this shit into EVERYTHING.

[mint cradle]

you can also turn plastic gloves into grape soda

pretty interesting

[cold berry]

I want clean burning electric shit like cars and power plants not because I want to save the earth, no. I just want less cheap plastic fucking shit.

[mint cradle]

get a hydrogen cell car fr

[whole ermine]

is there a way to make a squished 1 platform long rail

[cold berry]

And we only have so much from trying to find uses for Ethalyne

Which we can't stop getting from making oil and fuel

[whole ermine]

oh the humanity

[cold berry]

I think I'm spelling that right, I don't type it much lol. "Ethalyne"

Ethylene. I was close.

[simple pebble]

Best not play SF+ then 👀

[cold berry]

You should be able to

-make a station,

-put rails down on both ends of it,

-then delete the station,

-add in rails between the two rails on each side after deleting,

-delete excess rails

If I'm understanding you correctly

That may force it. But you'll need room on both sides.

[whole ermine]

doubt i can do that in a blueprint designer

[cold berry]

Oof

[jovial beacon]

Honestly a alternate game mode/ difficulty that had pollution and a hostile ecosystem as a result of it would be super interesting

[cold berry]

It might work if you have the final tier of blueprint designer. IDK

It's "2 x 5" for each station, then the final blueprint designer is I believe "6 x 6" foundations.

So like, idk. Maybe it'll work. You'd have to just try it.

But then the squished rail will be forced to the middle of the designer, will say

But you could make a squished rail, make it an individual blueprint, and then place that onto the blueprint scanner.

That's worked for me when I didn't have quite enough room for some weirdo thing

[normal orbit]

do NOT make rails under 1,5 foundation length

[whole robin]

Interesting, but most likely not fun

[cold berry]

It'd be 2 foundations if they did this I think

[normal orbit]

its not normally allowed, but there are glitches for it, however it will brick your game into a state it wont be playable

[whole robin]

Do you have to sell your soul to ADA to be able to do it??

[jovial beacon]

I mean it’d be a excuse to add more milestones , specifically factorio style defense ,

[cold berry]

Oof, they should probably fix that lol. I spend so much time trying to get around build restrictions I'm terrified I'd do that in accident

[jovial beacon]

Well, it seems some individuals have a tendency to disable difficulty features in this game and likely factorio as well,…..

[whole robin]

If i wanted to play factorio, i would just play that instead

[earnest condor]

Base Defense is the most anti-Satisfactory thing people have suggested over the development of Satisfactory and I am very, very happy the devs gave it a hard no and stuck to that hard no.

[normal orbit]

if you want base defense and horde mode, play a game which has that? statisfactory is not designed for it

[cold berry]

Factorio style defense doesn't work well in satisfactory because of AI pathing in the complicated spaces IMO and also the fact that decoration items being destroyed could be so annoying.

The same way I don't think decorating works in factorio because by the time you're done painting your factory a pretty color your node would run out and you'd be fucked.

My two cents.

[jovial beacon]

See this is a valid reason

[earnest condor]

So were all the others.

[cold berry]

Ye

[jovial beacon]

The others were “I don’t like that specific thing”

[earnest condor]

It has no place in this game.
Which makes disliking it an automatic feeling.

Ergo, valid.

[jovial beacon]

It’s the same thing as if someone wanted Minecraft to have more weapons and bosses and other players said “no it doesn’t need that”

[cold berry]

I think it was more nuanced than that. I saw it as "these two products can exist simultaneously and their differences make them stronger, so copying features seems like a bad idea"

[normal orbit]

that is so not the same thing as an analogy

[cold berry]

Yeah but people mod Minecraft to do that all the time. I see satisfactory as the factory decorating game with good logistics mechanics, I see Factorio as logistics mechanics as a game.

I like both equally but I play them for different reasons

[earnest condor]

Diluting the identity of something to make it more like other games is how corpos ruined most of the gaming industry.

[cold berry]

So of course it has more punishment for the mechanics

[hard wolf]

what about extra, repeatable caves that spawn lots of enemies and take while to complete and if you somehow manage to do so you get a somersloop and an alien portal back to the surface?

[jovial beacon]

I see both as games for autistic people that like math and logistics

[earnest condor]

Wow...

[cold berry]

Hey allistic people can enjoy it too. I swear I met one once.

[jovial beacon]

I say this as a person that is definitely autistic

[earnest condor]

Let's just throw out generalizations and discrimination because we feel like it...

[whole robin]

And besides, it's usually a very bad idea to put something so game altering in the game years after it has left early access, like said about adding terrain altering, when the map was in nk way designed to be dug through

[cold berry]

I'm diagnosed ADHD with some autistic features and traits confirmed also by my doctors and it was out of line and rude, but not entirely wrong. :sipstea:

These games resonate with that mental illness for some reason. Still not a thing you should just say. But also. ||Ironically Cmon they're autistic you can't expect them to navigate the social situation perfect cmoooon||

[jovial beacon]

I’d be pretty shocked if either genre had anything less than 50% of the players match the generalization

[jovial beacon]

They both tick very specific marks in very specific ways that not much else does

[earnest condor]

...

[whole robin]

Sombersloops, any other alien artifacts, and Hard Drives are meant to be a limited resource, that you have to use sparingly and explore the world to find, not something you go through a dungeon for

[hard wolf]

which is why it would have to be a near impossible gauntlet :3

[cold berry]

Well, only 3-4% of the population is autistic, and another 3-10% (hard to diagnose and often diagnosed wrong) have ADHD which often has shared traits with autism.

For that reason and the reason that the game is just good (as well as factorio) I'm going to guess it's less than 50%, but I won't lie and say it probably doesn't skew more than other games.

Probably does

[hard wolf]

I thought about suggesting high tier resources, but we can make those, which makes them kinda meh as a reward

[stoic salmon]

is there a way to clear fuel out of fuel generators so i can put turbo fuel in or do i have to replace them all

ive got like 0.7 fuel in

[jovial beacon]

Id argue it isn’t entirely outlandish to assume that a game like this would have a greater portion of its audience appeal happen to match what I’ve said,…. Sure the number might not be huge but I’d imagine it looks a bit higher than the rest by far

[cold berry]

Flush pipes, set to whole network, spam it every 3-ish seconds until liquid gone

[stoic salmon]

tyty

[cold berry]

Other than that, you can just burn the shit still in the machines. Shouldn't take too long

[stoic salmon]

ty

[whole robin]

I hear where you are coming from. But have you considered that the enemies are not obstacles, but rewards themselves?

[flint phoenix]

It would be interesting to have some reason to use all the big weaponry, but I don't think Satisfactory is really built for that

[cold berry]

This topic is taboo but fascinating to me as an AuDHD person so I'll say one more thing;

My guess is 15-25% of the player base has one of those things. That's both ADHD and autism tho. ADHD also like the belt go fast and good for some reason

[flint phoenix]

As it stands, a xenobasher and a dream is all it takes

[whole robin]

Honestly that would be far more fitting as a reward, as early on they could get you tons of points by sinking advanced materials you are far from using

[jovial beacon]

The topic is taboo??

[cold berry]

I'm horrible at first person melee ;-; idk why even, I'm good at souls borne games. Just doesn't transfer for me. Need a gun

[flint phoenix]

Fair enough, lol

[cold berry]

Ye people don't love generalizing a population of a game and saying they all have a certain mental illness lol

But this one time it may have some truth. Just I can't see 50%

50% is too high because of population skewing

[mint cradle]

What does this mean

[jovial beacon]

Well yea a broad overestimation but I mean again I think it makes sense that it does click a bit better for that populace than the rest

[cold berry]

Ye. Belt go good make happy chemicals

For me at least and I have those (one more minor but still probably diagnosable)

[hard wolf]

that's kind of fair, but that stops being useful the moment you either have no use for biofuel or coupons. it could be kinda useful early game but part of the idea is that you can't leave the cave until you've completed a run, and critter drops alone don't really incentivize struggling through a dundgeon with rooms full of (hopefully) tier 10 hatchers, hogs, spitters, and stingers

[cold berry]

Ye but resources are infinite in this game and having a lot of coupons is fun

[jovial beacon]

I just like numbers and math and fine tuning and logistics and theory crafting different factories

[flint phoenix]

I think 15-25% is probably too high, just because autism affects somewhere in the ballpark of 3% of the population, and ADHD somewhere around 5%, and they often co-occur

But you'd have to do a survey, naturally

[cold berry]

I spend all day at work building factories for like 5 games in my head.

I work as a machine assembler (skilled side, I set the machine. I am even setting up a whole new assembler with my team this month, when it feels most like one of these games :p)

Factories are in my blood for some reason

[whole robin]

But thats the thing. You can ALWAYS use tickets for the awesome shop awards and biofuel for jetpacks (packaged liquid biofuel my GOAT) or even just for DNA capsules

[worn oar]

I've tried about 9 times now to play through the game without any mods and I just can't do it. I need the expanded inventory and the object scanner highlighting

[whole robin]

Also what in the world is a "tier 10" enemy?

[jovial beacon]

I really am scared to broaden my horizons on other factory games because of this…. I already do it for factorio and satisfactory 😭

[south sinew]

nuke hogs and gas stingers right?

[cold berry]

Get Create with Aeronautics

[hard wolf]

gas stingers would be tier 3

[cold berry]

Get Shapez 2

Get them all ruin your life

[whole robin]

So please enlighten me as to what fresh hell a tier 10 hog would be

[cold berry]

Oh, get OpenTTD as well. It's not a factory game, but it's in the same vein; moving products with trains, trucks and boats and making a logistics network with logic gates and signals and such

[flint phoenix]

Teleporting hogs

[cold berry]

Ruin your life. Ruin your life. Ruin your life.

[worn oar]

Serious question: what do I do about 30-50 nuclear hogs that run into my factory within 3-5 minutes while my lizard doggos play?

[flint phoenix]

I diagnose you with nuclear engineer

[cold berry]

OpenTTD is fucking free on steam. Want some free crack?

[hard wolf]

so a t10 stinger could be a nuclear stinger that spits radioactive waste that sticks for damage over time, is at least a bit faster than a gas stinger, and is the size of a blender, minimum

[flint phoenix]

This is why they need to legalize nuclear bombs

[worn oar]

Legalize power shards for recreational use

[worn oar]

That game sucks

[chrome whale]

Are some values in 1.2 wrong? I'm looking at aluminum scrap recipe and it says that it produces 2 cubic m of water, but underneath it says 120 per minute. Shouldn't that be 20?

[cold berry]

You wound me

I love OpenTTD ymmv

[whole robin]

That seems anti climactic when we already have kamikazee hogs, hogs that are EXTREMELY radioactive, and hogs with ranged attacks

[flint phoenix]

Teleporting kamikazee hogs..?

[worn oar]

We need friendly hogs that tickle you with their tails and play with beryl nuts you throw around

[whole robin]

You might be onto something

[weary gate]

Devs were defo trolling not putting any aluminum stuff in the dune desert

[green fiber]

Hog that teleports behind you and tells you "you are already dead"

[hard wolf]

larger hogs with more armor, damage, and jumping roll and spin attacks?

[whole robin]

What do you mean armor. Have you played the game.

[green fiber]

none of the starter biomes have aluminum tho

[weary gate]

Rocky desert does

[hard wolf]

I think nuclear would a default t10 charactistic

[earnest condor]

Bauxite node south of RD is not in RD.

[green fiber]

that one node on the south end of rocky desert is no longer rocky desert.
thats already the red forest

[hard wolf]

more armor, less health, or both. also that's rude

[earnest condor]

None of the starters have oil or baux.

NF doesn't have coal anymore either 😁

[green fiber]

all the baux concentrates in a band around the middle of the map

[hard wolf]

the bauxite belt :3

[unkempt blade]

except for the secret spot no one ever talks about

[whole robin]

There isnt armor. Harder enemies just have more health

[hard wolf]

and harder enemies could have armor. some armor is more than none

[whole robin]

The only thing thats even like armor is the Hatcher's resistance to explosives

[earnest condor]

Gas Nobs vs. Hatchers is fun though.

[whole robin]

I mean armor isnt a thing that exisits in this video game. Like at all.

What would it even do

[hard wolf]

clearly you'd rather have an arguement than a conversation. bye :/

[normal orbit]

Secret bauxite?

[earnest condor]

If I may come at it from a different angle:

How would armor change things in a manner that is not the equivalent of "more health."?

[bitter lodge]

[whole robin]

Yes, this is the question i meant to ask, and i apologize for being rude to you @hard wolf

[bitter lodge]

Armor vs more health?
Armor can be seen as a reduction to certain damage type instead of all damage.
Like maybe armor reduces damage against the rifle. But damage from a nobelisk applies the same regardless

[normal orbit]

A reduction in damage taken is effectively same as more health

[whole robin]

And there is something like that already, but it's for a single enemy and it reduces explosion damage

[bitter lodge]

"Reduction in damage"
But my point being what causes said damage.
Explosive damage, vs bullet damage?

[whole robin]

There's quite a few ways to damage an enemy

[bitter lodge]

Best way is let the dumbass suicide off a cliff.

[hard wolf]

in the case of a hog, they have thick shells that are resistant to impacts and probably don't conduct electricity well, so the xeno zapper and basher, and possibly explosives or even the rifle wouldn't be as effective, whereas rebar would have enough puncture and the gas part of gas nobelisks could bypass the armor entirely

[earnest condor]

Details like this amount to more than just "add armor" and allow people to engage effectively 💛

[bitter lodge]

So armor acts more of a resistance then?

Er. Well. Resistance against certain types.

[rough crest]

I recommend disabling enemies aggro from the menu if you guys have trouble with it

[bitter lodge]

Lowkey. That would be dope. Cause it would make combat more engaging. Rather then machine gun turbo rifle everything down.

[rough crest]

(And of course you don’t want to have trouble anymore)

[fluid sapphire]

given the limited variety of enemies types and behaviors i dont think it would make the combat that much more interesting

[earnest condor]

Enemies having different strengths/weakness could be interesting.
But would give more credence to the "BASE DEFENSE 🤤 " people.
And that is incompatible with Satis. 🙁 So sadly I must opposed the idea. @hard wolf

[rough crest]

I used to only have keep inventory on but then I discovered this option as well

[bitter lodge]

Factorio

[earnest condor]

?

[hard wolf]

flat armor would be something only gas and maybe radiation would bypass, except with armor piercing rounds, so it's still a potentially useful stat

[rough crest]

Also cool thing that may be considered an exploit tho is just respawning it’s basically a tp to hub with keep inventory

[bitter lodge]

Isn't factorio just satisfactory with base defense?

[earnest condor]

No.

[fluid sapphire]

there really isnt a way to balance these ideas without nerfing a lot about how the current system works

[rough crest]

Factorio’s biters actually come into your base and destroy it

[hard wolf]

that's when you tell them to go back to factorio :3c

[flint phoenix]

People who want base defense should just go play Dungeon Defendrers for the Xbox 360

[rough crest]

Cause of pollution they don’t just stand there chilling

[fluid sapphire]

there's riftbreaker

[flint phoenix]

A lot of the time base defense gets added without any compelling reasons for it to exist (see: Palworld), so it just does nothing

[whole robin]

The rebar gun only shoots normal rebar with the base ammo, all of the different types either fracture into shards, explode, or electrocute. So it's either gas or rebar to damage these guys without being resisted? Do i have that right?

[hard wolf]

I would like more enemy variation and areas with challenging combat in a way that doesn't make it a factory defense game

[whole robin]

Red bamboo forest

[rough crest]

Have you encountered the radioactive hogs

Or the big ass spiders

[hard wolf]

yes, unless explosive rebar pierces before exploding

[hard wolf]

yes

[flint phoenix]

New biome: THE HIVE.

[fluid sapphire]

hey, i have seen that one before

[cold berry]

Me with hogs;

(Imagine I'm allowed to post the bugs bunny bull fighting clip here)

[rough crest]

I built a nuclear power plant above them so they feel at home

[whole robin]

Acrually, no. There is one thing that you don't have to worry about enemies resisting.

[rough crest]

So when I pass around that area with my filters we are all chilling in extreme radiation lol

[whole robin]

The nuke nobelisk

[earnest condor]

I just want an option to remove all Steves the way we can remove all Stingers...

[whole robin]

They are chilling. You on the other hand are quickly developing radiation sickness

[rough crest]

The risks of being a pioneer

I need to start to modularize my base

I just have a very dense factory with which I’ll finish phase 5 and then I need to make smaller factories for everything and interconnect them with each other will be fun

[scenic epoch]

No way dexter!😱

[whole robin]

-# lowkey. I feel like Meli might be ai

[latent prawn]

bean would beg to differ

[rough crest]

I hide my victims in all the nuclear waste so nobody can find them

[whole robin]

Yeah we have a couple interesting characters on this server

[hard wolf]

troll :P

[scenic epoch]

And then you trow the barrels in the ocean?

[rough crest]

For sure we need to pollute and disrupt the environment as much as possible

[latent prawn]

i thought the play was hide your nuclear waste in the victims 😛

[rough crest]

My dream is to cut every single tree and bush in the map

[scenic epoch]

I am down to do that XD

[rough crest]

And just make it whole layers of factories where no more nature is in sight

[latent prawn]

clearing biomes really causes your save file size to jack up, which leads to longer autosave sputters and some choppy travel

[rough crest]

Y ik cause game has to store the info that you removed that tree

[scenic epoch]

Also if I burn all the wood and leaves?

[rough crest]

Just like you placed a machine for example

[rough crest]

Yes

[latent prawn]

it has to maintain the info that stuff was removed. takes cpu cycles and memory

[scenic epoch]

A didn't think about it that way

[rough crest]

I just cut what I have to anyways

[scenic epoch]

I only cut things that are in the way

[rough crest]

A better approach would probably be to build so high you get to leave everything alone I guess

[latent prawn]

a litttle bit here & there doesn't do much, but when you carpet bomb the world with nukes, yeah, the game gets kind of icky

[whole robin]

Icky?

[scenic epoch]

But then you will be missing out on the map

[latent prawn]

the opposite of the opposite of suck

[rough crest]

I have a ryzen 7 3700x and 16gb of ram on Ubuntu server running the game and my pc has a ryzen 7 7800xd and 32gb of ram so I hope I don’t lag anytime soon

I almost finished the game and for now I have never lost a single tick

[whole robin]

I mean the game doesn't start sucking, it just runs and loads slower

[rough crest]

I think I will never lag btw an entire fast 8 core cpu dedicated just to running some machines with simple math with no windows bloat should be fine forever

And also devs optimize the game pretty well from what I’ve heard

[violet glen]

I'm not sure if multiple cores even help?

Fewer faster ones might be better

[heavy void]

hello

[rough crest]

3700x has good single core performance as well

[scenic epoch]

Hey

[rough crest]

But if we could benefit from multiple cores of course it’s way faster but that’s something hardly seen in games yeah

[whole robin]

Hello Spade. Do you have a sibling named Shovel.

[heavy void]

nah

[whole robin]

What about Club?

[rough crest]

Splitting the load between 2 decent cpus anyways improves performance exponentially

[heavy void]

I actually used to be club

[rough crest]

Also if AI slop stopped buying up everything I would upgrade my hardware

[mint cradle]

Rams going down soon

Shoot for this December

[rough crest]

My friend wanted to switch to am5 and he could give me his 32gb ddr4 for free to put in the server

[violet glen]

Stuff does not automatically get twice as fast when running on two cores

[earnest condor]

Once the LLM bubble finally pops RAM will go back to being cheap.

[violet glen]

there is always diminishing returns

[rough crest]

But of course he doesn’t feel like spending 400€ just on rams and I also told him definitely not to

[mint cradle]

Almost done setting the whole thing up I’ll show you once I’m done

[rough crest]

Y but you get some more out of it

[violet glen]

We have servers at work with hundreds of cores. At those scales multiples cores are busy doing nothing but feeding work to the other cores.

[rough crest]

You guys don’t use cloud smart

[violet glen]

What does that even mean lol

[rough crest]

I mean you run your own infrastructure instead of renting from like aws?

[violet glen]

Yes? Significantly cheaper.

[rough crest]

Yes that’s what I’m saying

Good 😁

[violet glen]

Not like those monster servers were cheap

but renting a server with more than 200 cores won't be cheap either :D

[rough crest]

Upfront cost

[violet glen]

Luckily we got them two years ago

I think the TB of RAM in there might be worth more than what we bought the whole setup for

[rough crest]

Ahahahah fr

I was about to buy a 64gb ddr4 kit before the epidemic and decided whatever I’ll do later

(Not anymore ahaha)

It’s like 500€ and I’m sitting with 16gb for my game servers

[flint phoenix]

This shit drives me so crazy

[rough crest]

What about gpus

[flint phoenix]

It feels like I'm actively watching people melt their brains and then look me dead in the eyes and go "you should come melt your brain with us"

[violet glen]

Work actually wants me to buy a Macbook right now. Cause it's somehow now cheaper than equivalent normal laptops...

[rough crest]

Nvidia &co don’t even care about consumers anymore they just sell to ai data centers

[flint phoenix]

Yarp

[rough crest]

Like I would buy a 100 million € data center flu

Bro I just want something like a 5070ti not at 1k€?

[earnest condor]

I mean.. GenZ is the first generation in recorded academic history to have cognitive decline compared to their predecessors.

[flint phoenix]

The underlying assumption of our economic structure, that corporations would be in any way beholden to consumers, turned out not to be true

[flint phoenix]

I would be cautious about this statistic

[rough crest]

Crazy

[flint phoenix]

IQ scores in and of themselves don't mean much of anything

[rough crest]

But Apple MacBooks for example air have actually good value for money tho

Even before ai I think

[violet glen]

We talking about the 5000€ Pro one tho

[rough crest]

Oh shi

[violet glen]

The thinkpads with proper GPUs and enough RAM cost more than those now

[earnest condor]

I wouldn't be. They have the data.
It stems from electronic infiltration into everything.
People learn from people and the moment the majority of it became "read this screen" stuff started going down.
They also altered the standardized tests because people were doing worse on them.

And I said nothing about IQ, because in large part those specific tests are just pattern recognition assessments.

[rough crest]

Like those videos on YouTube top windows vs top MacBook and the MacBook smokes it at half the price or smt I remember seeing

[flint phoenix]

I would just be cautious in that I think the message is often "everything is fucked, we're cooked," but the literacy crisis isn't a new thing, and it's simply that the cracks in our education system have become increasingly visible as more of the cognitive load of learning can be passed off to computer algorithms

[rough crest]

Windows is just garbage anyways I vouch for valve

[fluid sapphire]

i dont know where this assumption comes from, for as long as capitalism has been the way its literally never been true

[rough crest]

Gabe can take down microslop

[violet glen]

Well, no realistic way around Windows

[earnest condor]

Did I say I believe everything is fuck and we are cooked? 🤔

[rough crest]

For gamers

[violet glen]

It's how I got around needing to buy a Macbook

[flint phoenix]

No, but that is the common narrative

[violet glen]

No drivers for stuff I use

[flint phoenix]

Something something, founding tenets of liberalism, I guess

[rough crest]

If valve’s proton keeps improving and they start giving options to major gaming companies to also implement their own anticheat system on Linux I’m uninstalling windows for ever

[unkempt blade]

all I know is Claude only messed up my train network 3 times while building my HMF factory which is way better than someone college age could do so I think the future for humanity is dim

[rough crest]

I keep it to run games

[earnest condor]

Gamers: "Billionaires ruin games!"

Also Gamers: "Gabe (the billionaire) will save us!"

😏

[violet glen]

I just don't see Linux ever taking over with how much expert knowledge you need to properly use it

every distro that tries to make it user friendly so far has failed

[flint phoenix]

It's crazy how much people idolize Gaben for just being less of a leech than the average billionaire

[rough crest]

I don’t idolize I hope he keeps the competition up

[earnest condor]

"Less of a leech" while taking the highest leeching cut of any game store platform there is 😏

[rough crest]

Cause of him Microsoft started project k2 or whatever it’s called to debloat windows

[fluid sapphire]

sure, fun idea on paper, we are a long long ways from that

[rough crest]

So anyways it’s a win

[flint phoenix]

He'll keep doing what he's doing, because he knows that by doing nothing, he maintains his profit

[unkempt blade]

he's totally a leech it's just mostly pointed at developers/producers instead of consumers which while sometimes problematic is at least a fun change of pace if you're willing to wait for sales

[coral kiln]

will my space elevator progress be reset when I move it?

[flint phoenix]

Whoever replaces him will likely know the same to be true

[violet glen]

I'd happily pay 30% extra for games on Steam vs. on other store platforms

[earnest condor]

No.

[coral kiln]

same thing about milestones?

[earnest condor]

☝️ Gamers 🙂

[rough crest]

The thing is you actually pay less cause of discounts idk how they afford it

And also charge 30% to devs and publishers

[violet glen]

They get 30% of every transaction? Not that crazy to see how they make a profit :D

[earnest condor]

Genuine question:

How much do you think the developers of Satis hate fun that they would entirely reset all your progress simply because you wanted to move locations on their beautiful map?

[coral kiln]

yea you're right

[rough crest]

But yeah I’d do as well cause just messing around with all the clients it’s a no for me so if a game is on steam and sale I’ll buy if not I’m good

[coral kiln]

I just didn't want to risk it

Thanks anyway <3

[unkempt blade]

yeah that's why we'll never get a HL3 unless it's just a vanity project for them 😆

[rough crest]

steamOS every user of the steam deck is a Linux user

[trail linden]

What rules would you guys impose for a satisfactory challenge run?

[earnest condor]

This is why <insert deity> invented Saving the Game.

Because you can save, do something, and then reload if you dislike the consequence 😉

[flint phoenix]

There was no path to reaching the kind of society that early liberals wanted to create, they just didn't realize it at the time

At least, the more principled ones didn't

[coral kiln]

I didn't even think about that

[rough crest]

You just need a very simple ui for the average user

[earnest condor]

There are multiple challenge runs in existence already, plz clarify.

[violet glen]

The Epic-Launcher is also INSANE if you read its TOS. It basically considers everything on your PC as ripe for data harvesting for their profit.

[earnest condor]

Everyone who wants your data already has it, so... 🤷‍♂️

[flint phoenix]

Yup, that's most applications these days

[violet glen]

Not Steam at least

[rough crest]

As long as you are connected to the internet you already have up your privacy

[earnest condor]

Go to your favorite search engine and type in "Steam Data Collection" 🙂

[unkempt blade]

Their CEO isn't too far from me. I can write your feedback on a bag of poo and deliver it for only $100 if you're interested

[rough crest]

Ahahahah

[trail linden]

I did not know there were several already, I was going to do a tower of Babylon run

[violet glen]

I log into epic via browser every now and then, claim the free game, and then leave it alone again

[rough crest]

Fortnite’s dying they are in trouble

[flint phoenix]

For whatever reason, they use my data to advertise to me shit I despise, so I guess they're pretty bad at advertising

[earnest condor]

I don't know what that means but I assume it is similar to the 5x5 tower challenge.

[unkempt blade]

yeah a bunch of people I knew over there got laid off recently 🙁

[gilded sonnet]

Heyaa! Is this a spot I can ask questions in? 😞

[earnest condor]

The sole game keeping Steam installed on my computer is Valheim.
If they ever move that to EPIC I will be Steam-free 😄

[earnest condor]

Ask. Do not ask to ask. 💛

[rough crest]

Y steam does it it’s crazy like the Apple of gaming

[violet glen]

They do it cause they can. They have the by far biggest consumer base, and they keep them around by being super consumer friendly.

[flint phoenix]

There is no competition for Steam whatsoever, so they can practically charge whatever they want

[gilded sonnet]

How come my straight belts start to curve? Like placing belts in straight build mode

[rough crest]

There’s so many games that publishers tried to sell in their own platform only to release on steam like a year later and paying the 30% cut and still making more money than they would have without launching on steam

That’s how powerful steam is lol

[violet glen]

I would legit not be mad if publishers put games on Steam for a 30% premium. I'd still buy it there, just cause of how convenient and consumer friendly Steam is.

[flint phoenix]

Every other platform is just worthless, with no intentions of ever becoming good

[earnest condor]

Because sometimes the lateral difference is not large enough for straight mode to do it properly.
Like the minimum 90 degree turn in default will cause issues in straight because that mode wants more space.

[unkempt blade]

They're like the factory carts of game retailers. There's just no stopping them

[rough crest]

I would pay the devs as well if the game is good

I paid 30€ for ~100 hours of fun in sati

30€ nowadays is not even a single night out

Actually not even close lol

[flint phoenix]

Yeah, not even close

[gilded sonnet]

That's so silly! and annoying

[glossy scarab]

I feel the urge to make a satisfactory edit to the song of Space Oddity

[earnest condor]

I mean, we can go back to where default was the only belt option if you want? 😏

[rough crest]

Do it

[unkempt blade]

do it then post it to #streams-and-videos !

[violet glen]

I've gotten into the habit of when building belts, I "wiggle" the initial conveyor support once

that usually snaps it to a perfect 90° angle

[earnest condor]

2m over is a 90 degree turn.
Sincerely: People who had to actually build belts before all this QoL easy mode stuff was added 😛

[rough crest]

When I make a 90 degree turn I make the to sides come close to each other slowly and then I make just the turn at last and works so clean

[earnest condor]

90%?

[rough crest]

Bro 90% ahahahhahaha

[earnest condor]

That's like.. 81 degrees.

[rough crest]

It’s 2AM in my defense

[earnest condor]

81 degrees is a very specific turning angle!

[gilded sonnet]

I guess I'll just use default for now then 😞 thank u!

[earnest condor]

You can just use straight and if it becomes wonky swap to default for that one placement before going back to straight.

ORRRR
-Embrace the purity of the 45 degree angle.

[gilded sonnet]

The first wonkiness of the straight belts is always really subtle so I don't always notice it

[old bramble]

Why would I use a MK3 belt/lift to feed a constructor with items when they say only take 15 items per minute for each Constructor? Shouldn’t I be feeding the machines with MK1 belts/lifts to be closer to the Constructor’s rate of consumption? (60 items per second is closer to 15 than 270.) Why would I feed a constructor faster than it needs? Like in my mind it makes sense for the main belt of the manifold to be as fast as possible than it splits off to a slower belt that more closely matches the constructior’s actual rate?

[rough crest]

You just save the resources if you want to

I personally build everything out of whatever max tier of belts I have

[earnest condor]

If that is what makes sense to you, you should do it!

[rough crest]

Also higher tier belts move the items visually faster animation wise so I like to have them all the same if that makes sense

As well as belts aesthetic itself

[old bramble]

I mean it just feels wrong to me personally. Like it’s overkill. If something needs fifteen per minute why try to stuff it at 270 items per minute? I know in the end it will balance out on the belt eventually to take 15 items per minute any way. But if I just use a slower belt it balances faster in a way because the speed is capped by the belt speed right?

[fluid sapphire]

trying to perfectly match belts is a losing battle

[mint cradle]

Yo it’s done wanna see

?

I have a really neat plan on what to do with this next

[earnest condor]

🤔

[mint cradle]

The 16 refineries into fuel into power

Plastic and rubber into fuel

[earnest condor]

You can post builds at any time in #design-and-architecture
You don't need permission. 🤔

[mint cradle]

I mean

Done took a while ngl

[violet glen]

There is also an issue if a splitter has slower belts going out of it than it's being fed with/passing through

in a manifold that's not relevant though, it will settle eventually no matter what

But basically the faster belt might push items through faster than the slow one can take it out, and then you end up with imbalanced output

[old bramble]

Because 270 at first in a three way splitter becomes 90 items per minute which is faster than the MK1 speed of 60 items per minute?

[gilded sonnet]

Btw when does something start counting as a megafactory? 🤔 where is the line

[fluid sapphire]

the line is quite literally "everything is produced in the same location"

[mint cradle]

Im not ready for that level yet lol

Probably will build one late late game

My mega factory for rn will just be phase 3 parts in the same location

[fluid sapphire]

Really big factory =/= megafactory

Megafactory means ALL your production is in the same location

[gilded sonnet]

I think what they mean is like this: A splitter has output A and B, A is 60/m and B is 120/m. When something goes into the splitter, it scans output A to see if it's free, and places the item there. Then scans B, and places the next there. Then it scans A again, and sees it's still got an item. Then it scans B, which is free, so that gets the item instead. And like that there's an uneven output

[gilded sonnet]

But then what's a gigafactory!

[earnest condor]

The cycle time between outputs is based on the input.
So you can have times where nothing gets sent out due to speed mismatch even when everything should add up properly.

[gilded sonnet]

That's odd

[earnest condor]

Well, if it is flicking A/B/A/B and it is on an A cycle when A is full but B is available, it still has to wait the microsecond to go back to B before B is a valid output.

[mint cradle]

Figuring trains out is gonna be a pain but worth it

[gilded sonnet]

Also it's never too early ;) I'm in phase 2 and I'm working on one

[mint cradle]

I lowk like modular factories a lil more

Make nice looking factories across the map then just train the finished into a massive storage center

That’s my dream

[old bramble]

Wouldn’t a Splitter in a proper manifold use all three outputs so A, B, and C? Because two go into other machines and the manifold’s main line continues on straight?

[unkempt blade]

megafactories are just the logical conculsion of independency so it makes perfect sense to build them

[fluid sapphire]

If this is your first go around you are signing up for a world of pain

[earnest condor]

Who defines a "proper" manifold? 😉

[old bramble]

Definitely not me 😂

But I would assume you should be trying to maximize each splitter’s output right?

[mint cradle]

Whoever’s at phase 4 how many project parts did you automate per min for the modular engine and adaptive control unit

[gilded sonnet]

I've gotten up to crude oil before and never finished doing anything with the oil, but it's okay I think

[mint cradle]

I just finished my basic oil setup #design-and-architecture

[earnest condor]

Design often dictates one-sides manifolds.

[old bramble]

Fair enough

[mint cradle]

Hand feedings boring tho

[gilded sonnet]

Usually the inputs of the manifolds are on the outside

[mint cradle]

It’s cool to automate

[fluid sapphire]

The logistics of a megafactory get more yucky the bigger it gets

[earnest condor]

Depends on how you're building and where you want item flow.
Many "proper" ways to do things.

I.E. all the people who play a belting item game and hide all belts and items...

[gilded sonnet]

Then it's good I'm starting out on phase 2! it's practice

But it's gonna take a bit to figure out floor 2, now that I finished the base floor

[fluid sapphire]

That being said, if I ever start over myself, I will build a giant circuit board xd

[mint cradle]

Heavy modular frames

[old bramble]

You mean logistical floors right?

[flint phoenix]

I built a massive refinery with 31 fuel generators and then decided everything looked too gross so I restarted..

[wispy sequoia]

ive made a turbofuel factory and its doing 600 turbo per min but my pipes randomly drop the about 400 per min flow and then instantly go back to 600 but my pipes are emptying anyone know why?

[ornate saffron]

My logistics floors are tall and glassed for viewing

[mint cradle]

It’s sloshing

I think

[wispy sequoia]

2 of my refineries randomly go yellow too

[earnest condor]

Some people build actual floors where you can view things.
Most people use them to hide.

[earnest condor]

Loop.

[old bramble]

Many ways to make an omelette as they say.

[earnest condor]

As I said, many "proper" ways, yes. 😁

[fluid sapphire]

I finished all milestones up to and including everything in phase 4, everything I did was gross as well but instead or restarting I deleted everything with SCIM and rebuilt

[leaden turret]

1. with eggs

[gilded sonnet]

Have u read the fluid guide someone made? I never had problems after it, but I also never got past crude oil

[flint phoenix]

I should have done that..

[earnest condor]

All they need to do is loop.
And delete any and all buffers/valves.

[fluid sapphire]

Now everything I build still looks gross but it at least it's consistent

[ornate saffron]

Mcgallon made it. He lurks and drops advice here too

[gilded sonnet]

Mcgallon is a very fitting name

[earnest condor]

Galleon*

[mint cradle]

Will I ever use versatile framework after phase 3

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[leaden turret]

Miles per Galleon

[earnest condor]

All Project Parts are used to make the next Project Parts.

[mint cradle]

Just for now imma disconnect it from the modular frame producers since I’m making 12 of them per min and gonna train them to the hmf factory

[gilded sonnet]

How do people take all the item outputs up to the next floor in mega factories?

[mint cradle]

Floor holes

In awesome shop

[earnest condor]

Brain:

• Convert Galleon into the Wizarding currency.
• Find it funny to think about fuel economy in terms of cost.
• Look at current fuel prices in America due to dumb orange.
• Genuinely wonder if next year cars will be advertised in "Miles per Dollar" for fuel efficiency...

[gilded sonnet]

And then a floor in between to figure out logistics?

[earnest condor]

Through the wall. Up the side. Back through the wall.

[wispy sequoia]

i love u the loop thing worked

[earnest condor]

💛

[leaden turret]

1 galleon is at most 3.8% of a mile

[rapid stag]

i saw some people having to get like 10x the materials required to build the space elevator stages how can i make my world have that if somebody knows ?

[earnest condor]

1.2

[mint cradle]

Steel screws are so awesome

Also steeled frames

[gilded sonnet]

1.2 is gonna make the game harder? 😰

[rapid stag]

is there a release date ?

[earnest condor]

No. 1.2 adds options to artificially inflate difficulty if you have trouble playing the game just for fun 😁

[earnest condor]

When it is ready.

[gilded sonnet]

Especially with solid steel ingots ;p

[rapid stag]

bru well ik that but is there a announced date

[earnest condor]

That is the announced timeline.

[rapid stag]

mm

[gilded sonnet]

Is there any reason you wouldn't want solid steel ingots? I feel like it's just basically a straight upgrade

[restive umbra]

it requires more buildings and more power

[earnest condor]

Space saving.

[restive umbra]

and simplicity

[gilded sonnet]

Well just plan for more space!

[earnest condor]

Alternatively, you can not want Solid because you want Coke 😉

[earnest condor]

Some of us like to build compact 😁

Smallest space possible.

Hence I use things like Bolted Frame.

[gilded sonnet]

Are there more direct upgrades like cast screws?

[river ingot]

Wet concrete is one I can think of

[earnest condor]

Wet Concrete brings in another resource.

[gilded sonnet]

Well for wet concrete u need a new building and water

[earnest condor]

Cast Screw is just "hi, same output, less buildings."

And no, I believe that is a unique case.

[gilded sonnet]

Too bad

[earnest condor]

You and I define "bad" differently.

[restive umbra]

cast screw is so good I recognized how OP it is immediately during my first playthrough

also resource+water recipes are amazing

especially for feeding copper powder

[gilded sonnet]

I don't even have the building I need yet for wet concrete

[earnest condor]

Cast Screw is really only good in Phase 1 if you get it early.
Once you hit Phase 2, Steel Screw completely outclasses it.

[earnest condor]

Pure Caterium is really the only one I use tbh.

Copper Alloy is just... so good.
Basic Iron is king.

[restive umbra]

copper alloy is pretty nice too especially if you're not near water

[earnest condor]

Not about water.
It's about using like 3x less buildings and saving assloads of space compared to Refinery spam.

[restive umbra]

I looooeveeeee spamming refineries

[earnest condor]

Single Foundry is outputting 100/min baseline and you need 3 Pure Refs to match that.

[gilded sonnet]

Oh btw has anyone else ever found satisfactory calculator to just be.. wrong?

[earnest condor]

Haven't used it in half a decade so..

SCIM is very much just for the map part at this point.

[restive umbra]

I think some of its production line choices are very interesting. it always insists on using biocoal/charcoal if you select all alts

[gilded sonnet]

😭

[earnest condor]

Use Tools.

[restive umbra]

yeah if you want it to be useful you kinda have to select only the alts you want it to use

[gilded sonnet]

I was trying to make reinforced iron plates and it just straight up got the inputs wrong

like wrong ratios

[earnest condor]

Yeah. Use Tools.

[restive umbra]

you're not doing a custom game mode right?

[gilded sonnet]

Nope!

Did recipes get changed into 1.1?

[gilded sonnet]

Im gonna use it rn to double check if I'm even building my mega factory right :pp

[restive umbra]

worst case scenario the factory must grow

[earnest condor]

Tbf biocoal is amazing if you have somers.

[gilded sonnet]

I also only got the smelters done so it wouldn't mess anything up yet

[mint cradle]

18 modular frames per min 🤤🤤🤤

[restive umbra]

very nice

[gilded sonnet]

When my factory is done I'll only get 12! smh

[mint cradle]

U said basic iron is goated?

[mint cradle]

Steel screws and steeled frames is so tuff

Also bolted plates

[restive umbra]

I'm using factory carts to truck my space elevator parts in they're so cute

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[mint cradle]

Over pure caterium?

[earnest condor]

Why would those ever be compared?

[leaden turret]

-# goat simulated

[gilded sonnet]

They can ride on their own??

I never got them before

[earnest condor]

That's like saying "Rubber is better than Water."

What?

[restive umbra]

yep

and frankly rubber is better than water