satisfactory

[mint cradle]

Also where’d you start

[glacial trench]

1 sec let me check

I’m about to complete tier 2

[mint cradle]

Nice

I’m restarting my save at tier 4 since I wanna learn to actually play

And not use a guide

[glacial trench]

yeah till now it is really fun to just miss around and figure stuff out

[cold berry]

I am waiting for rotors ;-;

I haven't needed a guide once. I have been using some cheat sheets and asked a few questions in here tho

But not even that many really

[still elk]

anyone wanna start a new world together? i have experienced and dont mind teaching if needed

[cold berry]

This is like my 5th game like this tho so

[dense violet]

!lfg

[raven axle]

Hello there totally awesome user! You can checkout https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758 and check the pins on how to find folks to play with. <3

[low garden]

Hello everyone, question, can I switch foundations without dismantling?

[cold berry]

Way more if you count each different Minecraft mod lol

[still elk]

yes u can change material

[dense violet]

customizer, X I believe

[low garden]

Yes! Thank you

I was going insane

[ebon marten]

i need someones help that knows where the cave entrances are

[sweet narwhal]

yall think they will release 1.2 by like may 13th?

[tall lantern]

no

[earnest condor]

Which cave?

[white dawn]

If you just want quick answers you can use the "caves" layer in SCIM (https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map), though note that that's a full-map spoiler

If you want just generalized hints, as Sevrahn said, it'll help to tell folks which one in particular you're looking for (or which node you're trying to find, etc)

[cold berry]

Alright. Alright alright. Got my coal going to my steel mill via tractor, using the coal itself as fuel. Got the first 5 foundry's going. Got plans to make rotors, stators, motors and encased industrial beams here

Exciting. That's enough for today.

[ebon marten]

thanks

[latent prawn]

bring ammo 🙂

[cold berry]

I've already got basic steel parts going near my coal plant on one iron node on a mk2. That should be enough basic steel production for phase 2 I think. I'm only on 5x parts.

And I'm on pure nodes. So they're all good nodes.

I think that iron one's a pure anyway though so lol

[shrewd palm]

burning through all my resources for one single build 💯

i am using like all of the quartz crystal and metal plates ive ever created

for once in 800 hours on this game i have 0 concrete

[ebon marten]

does anyone know when i can get hard drives in the awesome shop?

[latent prawn]

they become available in the same section as the statues and boombox sometime in phase 4 of the game. i think the latch for that is the particle accelerator unlock

[earnest condor]

Phase 4, T8, after unlocking Particle Enrichment.

[ebon marten]

cheers

[earnest condor]

100 tickets a pop 😬

[shrewd palm]

use that for trophies

hard drives are so easy to find in the wild

[latent prawn]

agreed. part of the fun in the game is exploring. you're missing out if you don't

[shrewd palm]

and you get so much more than just hard drives if you do that

[latent prawn]

i'm playing on 5x power/100x elevator atm, and gathering all the goodies is kind of a must

[boreal swift]

Wsg chat

[dense violet]

just go hunt them, they cost so much

[shrewd palm]

i think i should go hunting for hard drives some time soon

getting tired of having to save scum for an alternate recipe i needed

[left marlin]

OK THAT’S WILD!😭🤣🤣

[undone yarrow]

There's enough hard drives to unlock everything and have some to spare, depending on progress might not be a bad idea to just sweep the map of all drives, sloops and maybe spheres

[glossy scarab]

guys why isnt my manifold working? there's 30 ingots per output, and i have m3 belts? #screenshots

[undone yarrow]

Could still just be spooling up

[glossy scarab]

huh

[shrewd palm]

thats what im gonna do once i finish this factory i think

ive got everything except for singularity cells unlocked now but im pretty sure there isnt an alt for those

[undone yarrow]

Manifolds take time to saturate, so the first machine will saturate quickly, but the second will take twice as long as the first and so on

[glossy scarab]

so how may i fix it?

[shrewd palm]

you dont really

[bitter lodge]

patience.

[glossy scarab]

patience?

[shrewd palm]

they just take a while to fill up

[bitter lodge]

you just wait. You can stop output and let them fill entirely plus the belts. then run it all at once.

[undone yarrow]

There are two things that can help them fill faster, using smart splitters set to overflow so that no material goes past the current machine in line until its full.

Alternatively you can yoink from the first machine or elsewhere in line to more quickly distribute the resoruces until its caught up

turning some machines off or slower until all are full also helps

[hard wolf]

you can also handfeed from depot and fill everything manually before starting it

[bitter lodge]

dumb question but curious. Do yall build your designs first then shove machines in, or build the building/design around the machines?

[shrewd palm]

i'll make a general shape and try to stick to that but sometimes i have to expand

probably not a good idea to cram it into a shell

[bitter lodge]

Ya that is painful.

I haven't touched this game since december, and I am debating restarting fresh or carrying on my old save. Though trying to remember where everything is...yikes.

[undone yarrow]

There's pros and cons to both. But machine layout first is generally easier, but liable to be more... boring.

[violet glen]

I've started to make Mk3 Bp sized buildings, and plopp those down in place of machines

[bitter lodge]

I remember one of my reasons to quitting was because I so unhappy with how my factories looked.

[violet glen]

well, any factory gravitates towards being mostly refineries :D

[shrewd palm]

ive been trying to fix that and i spent 10 hours working on the design for the first floor of a factory

[hard wolf]

I do both. it depends on whether or not I have a building idea already

[bitter lodge]

no kidding. I made an iron factory that has like 200 refineries on the floor level

[glossy scarab]

is passive mode woth it?

[shrewd palm]

does the portable miner assembler recipe even exist

[glossy scarab]

creatures are hella scart

[violet glen]

It disables achievements I think?

[shrewd palm]

i mean the creatures arent dangerous

[glossy scarab]

scary*

[violet glen]

Creatures become non-issues sooner or later

[bitter lodge]

it does and I love it

[shrewd palm]

worst ones are the spiders but those are easily solved with a jetpack/hoverpack

[glossy scarab]

but they always jumpscare me 😭

i dont have either

[shrewd palm]

better get working

you can also bait the hogs and spiders to jump off cliffs most of the time

[hard wolf]

pulse nobelisks

[violet glen]

nuke nobelisks!

Explosive Rebar is disappointing. It does like... no damage somehow

[hard wolf]

yeet pipes > mushroom tubes, in name alone

[earnest condor]

NukeNobs are the best anti-lizard defense FICSIT provides.

[shrewd palm]

maybe i should set aside some uranium for nukes because it'll be funny

cluster nobelisks are working well enough

[earnest condor]

That being said

[hard wolf]

you could also make a bit extra in a converter

[earnest condor]

Gas Nobs are probably my favorite. And are criminally underrated.

[violet glen]

I just slooped one of my encased uranium manufacturers, and make the nukes from the overflow

[hard wolf]

homing ammo is my personal fav bc it helps a lot with the stingers

[shrewd palm]

gonna be using all the bauxite

[violet glen]

The homing ammo just sucks at homing...

[earnest condor]

Turbo Ammo my beloved.

[shrewd palm]

i have big plans

[earnest condor]

Homing Ammo a) sucks at homing and b) does the lowest damage of any bullet.

[bitter lodge]

turbo is goated.

[violet glen]

It's nice to shoot the flies out of the air

[earnest condor]

You are my new favorite person.

[hard wolf]

you can make a bit more of that by converting caterium or copper :3c

[bitter lodge]

where is a good place to get some blueprints?

[shrewd palm]

now that i did not know

[earnest condor]

Your own brain. 😉

[shrewd palm]

should have lots of caterium lying around

[bitter lodge]

I want to make a train rail system but can't be bothered to design one

[violet glen]

Just do double-rail, and it's trivial

[bitter lodge]

ya I will.

But I want like foundation support

[shrewd palm]

quick little T-shaped support and you're good to go

[violet glen]

one rail per direction, signalled interections, and trains can just go from anywhere to anywhere

[earnest condor]

Bidirectional Rails my beloved 🙂

[shrewd palm]

portable miner assembler recipe actually doesnt exist

[bitter lodge]

but it does

[shrewd palm]

ive been rerolling hard drives for like half an hour how have i not seen it yet

[violet glen]

it's an alt

[bitter lodge]

you can reroll hardrives by save scumming

[pine gyro]

yo hey

[shrewd palm]

thats what ive been doing

[bitter lodge]

other option-

[earnest condor]

Were you here for the original Portable Miner alt?

[bitter lodge]

Claim every other possible recipe

[shrewd palm]

might have to do that icl

[bitter lodge]

they are really nice to have in a depot though

[shrewd palm]

automated miner

[earnest condor]

Yeah, the one that required MOTORS 😄

[shrewd palm]

im so tired of having to craft them for like 30 seconds any time i want to get a miner going

[shrewd palm]

oh god

[bitter lodge]

I totally get that.

you don't ever need very many either

[shrewd palm]

just enough to be annoying

[earnest condor]

Changed cost from 1 Motor, 4 Steel Pipe, 4 Iron Rod and 2 Iron Plate to 4 Steel Pipe and 4 Iron Plate

😄

[shrewd palm]

that is horrendous

[earnest condor]

Was expensive AF.

And they didn't stack to 50, it was 1 per slot.

[shrewd palm]

how lnog ago was this?

[bitter lodge]

is train math still the same?

[earnest condor]

The change was 1.0
Prior to that -- pain.

[shrewd palm]

oh damn

[bitter lodge]

Like if you shove one full belt into a cargo spot of the train, you can expect the same output?

[earnest condor]

The page I wrote on throughput is still accurate, yes.

[shrewd palm]

i guess i just never bothered with it then

[bitter lodge]

eh you wrote a page?

can you link it?

[earnest condor]

!wikisearch Train Throughput

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Train+Throughput

[bitter lodge]

I am not reading that shit again-

[hard wolf]

ime it's on par with base ammo (and it also has the same DPS but but less damage per reload), and the tracking isn't terrible. sometimes the rounds orbit around for a moment and it looks cool :3

[earnest condor]

Trains are still incapable of moving 2 belts per platform.

[earnest condor]

It's not on par.
Base ammo does the most damage.

Then Turbo.
Then Homing.

[floral sparrow]

Is it a good idea to build a hypertube network that gets me around the map?

[bitter lodge]

So ya each platform should recieve no more than whatever your max belt can handle?

[earnest condor]

Good is a point of view, Anakin.

[bitter lodge]

You should just basically visualize trains as a belt highway in a sense- but pretty

[shrewd palm]

you could do that but you could also just throw like 20 entrances together and fly around the map

[earnest condor]

I disagree with this entirely.
Why would you gate a platform to less than it can handle?
Just because it cannot handle 2, does not mean you restrict it to only 1. 🤷‍♂️

[warped whale]

That's my preference.

[bitter lodge]

huh?

Measuring throughput on a train system via in game is so weird. it always comes out differently

[earnest condor]

So ya each platform should recieve no more than whatever your max belt can handle?

This translates to 1 belt per platform.
I would never recommend this because why would you limit yourself to 1 belt per platform when the platform can handle 1.5-1.8 belts?

[floral sparrow]

I like the idea of having a big HUB area with signs for each biome above every tube entrance

[bitter lodge]

Wouldn't it depend on your belt tier?

[shrewd palm]

i always just throw a certain amount into each car and then if (after a few cycles) the throughput on the station isnt high enough i'll add trains until it is

[earnest condor]

No.

[shrewd palm]

with a buffer on each platform to make it a little more consistent

[warped whale]

Same, I have a dedicated floor on my base tower with signs at every entrance.

[earnest condor]

Sounds like a build you would enjoy, so that means "Yes, it is a good idea."

[bitter lodge]

I am in the mentality if I am gonna use a train to bring resources, don't expect 100% efficiency on my machines. If I want that, I should just belt highway it all.

[warped whale]

I do build double facing entrances at regular intervals to make the travel a bit faster though

[earnest condor]

I would change that mentality 🤷‍♂️
But you do you.

[bitter lodge]

trains confuse me-

[earnest condor]

Always expect everything to run at 100%.

[bitter lodge]

I tried to measure throughput and got 5 different results after each depot

[shrewd palm]

you can absolutely get 100% efficiency so long as you get the trains going properly and let all your manifolds fill up

[earnest condor]

All you need is trip time.
Which, unfortunately, you have to clock manually with the stopwatch app on your phone.

Once you have that time, solving actual movement of items is simple.

[bitter lodge]

what

[earnest condor]

Which word does not make sense?

[bitter lodge]

The ingame throughput can't be relied on?

[earnest condor]

🤬 no.
With a CAPITAL F.
😂

[shrewd palm]

i think its good enough if you do lower numbers but i dont trust it one bit for trucks/drones

[hard wolf]

There are some things (like nuclear power plants) that need consistent and efficient input to not melt down

[earnest condor]

Like, bottom lip completely disappearing into mouth levels of pronouncing that F.

[shrewd palm]

this is what buffers are for

[hard wolf]

Kind of

[shrewd palm]

industrial storage bin should have enough space to hold off for a little bit if the delivery is a little late

[bitter lodge]

I remember trying to use a train to supply a factory buffers on each end. Overtime my buffers drained entirely. Even though the math was that the factory used no more than what was being provided.

[earnest condor]

I have a truck, right now, that is moving 300/min.
And I know it is 300/min because that is all that is being supplied to it.

What does the in-game throughput say? 417.

[shrewd palm]

ive just learned that like

if its +/- 5 or so it'll be fine, and anything higher means you're getting enough

[dense violet]

why would you believe any of the meters?

[earnest condor]

I never would. The other person was.

[bitter lodge]

I thought the meters would be valid.

[dense violet]

I mean if it says 417 that's more than +/- 5

you never know how off they are.

they're right sometimes!
sometimes not!
you never know, and that's the fun and why they should be ignored entirely for more accurate methods

[bitter lodge]

if I put a 500 belt into one cargo. I expect 500 output constantly.

That doesn't seem bad to do?

[hard wolf]

I really only want buffers on the input to make sure the miners don't stop running, and on the output so I can empty the station's storage ASAP. Then enough trains to guarantee throughput

[earnest condor]

They can be. Sometimes.
But they often change how they calculate the average, especially on save/reload.

[bitter lodge]

ya I relaunched my world and I am looking at my train...I don't think my train annoyance was why I quit.

[earnest condor]

Whereas if you just get your own trip time, you can know exactly how much you're moving regardless of what the game says.

[bitter lodge]

The factory I was trying to make...This is actually mental.

I was trying to make supercomputer, radio control unit, fused modular frame, turbo motor, and cooling system. All at 10/min in a single factory.

[earnest condor]

Oof.

[bitter lodge]

No wonder I burned myself out.

[earnest condor]

There's a combo I would never do. 😭

[shrewd palm]

i mgiht be cooked

[earnest condor]

RCU and Super in the same spot, sure.

[bitter lodge]

I am even trying to import 1800 alum, from a factory that makes 3600

[earnest condor]

Nah, just sautéed.

[bitter lodge]

bruh. What in the fuck was I thinking.

[earnest condor]

You weren't 😉

[bitter lodge]

I am so tempted to tear down so much of this world just kind of do it fresh-

[chrome whale]

Is it possible to switch between input/output places in buildings like refinery? So that you could change pipe/conveyer location

[earnest condor]

Hub0 resets are honestly my favorite part of the game.

[bitter lodge]

Like I don't want an entire fresh save cause no movement/hard drives researched sucks.

[earnest condor]

No.

[bitter lodge]

but just delete whole factories? rebuild them? May not be a bad idea.

[elder cedar]

yo, my power grid holds around 11,000 mw rn and im looking to upgrade since some of my generators are cutting out, any tips?

[ornate saffron]

yoiu coulc use SCIM to mass delete

[bitter lodge]

what are you using for power?

[bitter lodge]

ya. I am tempted-

[shrewd palm]

#math-and-meta message super computers are in here too

[bitter lodge]

Old Azana needs a stick over the head for this bullshit

[earnest condor]

Which Phase are you in?

[shrewd palm]

either those or RCUs, not sure what i want to do for phase 5 parts yet

[bitter lodge]

I REMEMBER YOU

[ornate saffron]

?

[bitter lodge]

Beef! you gave me some really good information

[ornate saffron]

oh, np

[earnest condor]

Porkalo would have given better information.

[bitter lodge]

its in our dms lmao.

Thank you for that.

[elder cedar]

7500mw of fuel gens which 1 or 2 are having to be turned off and later back on because the fuel income is weird somewhere and idk where, and like 2400mw of coal power

[elder cedar]

just got to phase 3

[bitter lodge]

why is your fuel income weird?

[earnest condor]

If you have fuel gens, you did not "just" get to Phase 3 😁

[elder cedar]

||i unlocked only hazmat suit and jetpack for now||

[bitter lodge]

You might wanna sort that out first. fluids are weird yes, but can be overcomed.

[earnest condor]

You're in Phase 4 if you have Hazmat Suit.

[shrewd palm]

i have seen every recipe at least twice and i havent seen automated miners once

[floral sparrow]

Is there a way to prevent the wall from appearing in the middle of a hypertube wall hole?

[earnest condor]

Wall is in the name, so no 😭

[elder cedar]

i mustve miscalculated or input pipes in the wrong place of the circuit or something i have no idea,

[bitter lodge]

if I am gonna nuke my world...I wanna make some interesting factories-

a factory that makes all iron based things, one for copper like that, steel, caterium....that be fun.

[elder cedar]

ah im in phase 4 then

[glossy scarab]

why are my constructers literly just not working?

like they are just om 0

[bitter lodge]

power?

[glossy scarab]

i have enough

[bitter lodge]

recipe set? input set? output set?

[elder cedar]

for my next power i build, should i use any alt recipes or anything

because for my 7500 mw of fuel gens, its all straight default recipes

[bitter lodge]

Welcome to satisfactory...is there a right answer?

No. You just do whatever you want.

[elder cedar]

yeah true, theres so many dam ways

[glossy scarab]

#screenshots

[bitter lodge]

you want a factory that is so massive and over kill it makes you quit the game. You can do that.

[glossy scarab]

oh wait

i understand

nvm

[bitter lodge]

you have no input-

LMAO. ya it can't make it from thin air

[glossy scarab]

😞

[shrewd palm]

1 hour later and i still done have automated portable miners

time to get every hard drive on the map i think

[elder cedar]

i need to sleep, but i need to fix so much stuff man

[shrewd palm]

the factory must never rest

[elder cedar]

holy hooked

made a whole to do list

contains 8 signs for now

[ornate saffron]

heavy oil residu and diluted fuel (or diluted packaged fuel) are great alts to get more power

[bitter lodge]

thought turbo fuel was best?

[elder cedar]

ah i need to unlock blender

gonna work for that tmr

[ornate saffron]

turbo fuel is pretty good too.

[abstract heron]

I wanna see a Cooking stream from the devs

[shrewd palm]

rocket fuel is best for power

[elder cedar]

should i do rocket fuel then? or both??????

[bitter lodge]

oh ya rocket fuel is the best

[abstract heron]

i might ask the community mangers tmr or today for them its to late for them they sleeping

[bitter lodge]

if you can do rocket, go rocket.

[ornate saffron]

the game director for FF14 used to do baking and playing twitch streams. he would gget drunk opn win bake cookies and play pvp for 10 hours

[bitter lodge]

its the highest tier fuel I believe?

[abstract heron]

i mean from mikael and jason and such

[ornate saffron]

there two to more after

[elder cedar]

ive never even touched rocket fuel yet

[shrewd palm]

is my satisfactory missing a save files fodler or am i going insane

[dense violet]

why have literally 1000 fuel gens for decent power, when you can do 100 instead?

[elder cedar]

wait rocket fuel make it produce more?

[bitter lodge]

the higher tier fuel you make, the better power it outputs

[shrewd palm]

rocket fuel is incredibly efficienct which means you need a LOT of generators

[elder cedar]

god dayum

[ornate saffron]

when you make rocket fuel you are going to make fuel and turn it into rocket fuel OR youll make turbo fuel and make it into rocket fuel

[shrewd palm]

like for any decent sized rf build expect to have at least a few hundred fuel generators

[elder cedar]

ah okay

[bitter lodge]

why use fuel gen when you can use biomass burners :>

[elder cedar]

i kinda want to split some to give myself a bit of turbo fuel for my jetpack too

[ornate saffron]

cuase i have liquid biomass 😛

[bitter lodge]

isn't that great for vertical lift?

[elder cedar]

but how do you guys connect the pipes to all these generators

because i swear my fuel gens pipes are cooked somewhere

[void cliff]

Packaged biofuel in biomass burners > biofuel in fuel generators

[bitter lodge]

manifold

[ornate saffron]

i make clusters.

[unkempt blade]

I use a cartifold to keep the pipes as simple as possible

[hard wolf]

HOR to diluted to nitro rocket will squeeze the most out of an oil node

[jolly plume]

im on a server with my friends and there afk and i need to build where there at is there a way i can move them there not able to get on

[bitter lodge]

fluids are so god damn jank I ensure I have more fluid then is gonna be consumed and just manifold it out

[bitter lodge]

what is a cartifold?

[bitter lodge]

kill them

[jolly plume]

but then wont there boxes be stuck in foundation

[elder cedar]

i used a manifold in my 30 fuel gen factory, but i think i built it wrong

[bitter lodge]

secure items they need and drop the rest

[unkempt blade]

it's like a manifold but using a cart route. Then in front of each refinery it goes truck stations => conveyor => packager => pipe => refinery

[bitter lodge]

.> why the bonk reaction? My method works just fine

[void cliff]

Loot the boxes. Killing then is the only way

[jolly plume]

youre right thx also thx @void cliff

[dense violet]

no you just need a million generators for rocket fuel, nuclear you need very very few

[unkempt blade]

it didn't sound like it works from the bonk message

[bitter lodge]

If i have 10 refineries each need 300 water. That is 3k water total right? So just pump in 3.1k water into the entire system issue resolved.

[violet glen]

given mk2 pipes max out at 600m³/m... not really

And getting a full 600 to go through a pipe is not easy either

[bitter lodge]

The way I did it. I treated each max as if 500 was its max. So each line had 600 total. But the machines would never consume more than 500 water

[unkempt blade]

It's pretty easy. Loop it or feed it from both sides

[violet glen]

I tried using the full 600 from an oil extractor. No dice, settled with 570

[ornate saffron]

i do small cluster and treat 600 as theoretical. instead of runing one pipe of 600 ill braeak it into clusters. 3 pipes of 200 for example

[violet glen]

it always backed up into the extractor

[ornate saffron]

why put it all in ione pine when you are splitting it anyways

[violet glen]

cause it comes out of the thing as one pipe

[unkempt blade]

for the maximum pipefficiency!

[bitter lodge]

I worded that weird.
One of my factories has a ton of refineries. To keep them at 100%. I used several pipes of 600. Each color coded to keep track of them.
So like my red pipe is connected to machines until those machines in total consume no more than 500. So the system has a constant buffer of 100 water.
I just did this like...I think 6-7 more times to give each refinery water.

[elder cedar]

i hate sorting manifolds sometimes, not conveyors but the pipes are a pain. like especially heavy oil because sometimes ill have too much, so ill flush some out then i have too less

[violet glen]

My nuclear plant is running for ~60h now, and I still keep finding faults. Every couple hours it suddenly stops running at 100%, cause some machines finally ran out, and the one belt I forgot to connect now matters

[bitter lodge]

nuclear scares me

I am so worried about handling the waste somehow.

[elder cedar]

im not even close yet

made my computer factory today

[violet glen]

The waste processing setup is the easy part of the plant

Making the uranium fuel rods is much more annoying

You just need to make sure to plan the waste processing to be able to process a bit more than the max output of your reactors

cause otherwise it will never be able to work through a backup if anything does go wrong

[bitter lodge]

that is what scares me lmao

I am also not even close, so its a future me problem

[elder cedar]

ive reached a point rn where i need to clean up all my factories

to make them look a bit better lol

[violet glen]

I'm pretty much done with my current playthrough, in the sense of achieved all there is. Just waiting for 400 more tickets to print to get deez nuts.

[dense violet]

highly recommend nuclear then

[dense violet]

why? wear a suit

[mint cradle]

When should I build the space elevator

[violet glen]

now

[dense violet]

where ever is convenient

[mint cradle]

Doing good so far I’ve automated rods, plates and concrete

[sonic kayak]

why does my perfectionist ass insist on spotting little imperfections in my workflow that cause me to go "yeah I should just restart a new save entirely, even though I've put 80 hrs into this save so far" 😭

[mint cradle]

The copper nodes pretty far but I’ll get to it

[elder cedar]

i think i just need to learn fluids in this game

[ornate saffron]

step one dont treat them like belts. Water flows with gravity

[violet glen]

Something I learned is that a large buffer right in front of an oil extractor is mandatory.

[dense violet]

nuclear is still .... jsut so much less piping and machines

[violet glen]

Cause if it backs up, it turns off long enough that it can only reach like ~90% efficiency

[wise junco]

this is 100% false

[elder cedar]

#screenshots i put my fuel pipes in there

[violet glen]

I spent literal hours trying to fix it. And the buffer instantly did it

[elder cedar]

might be hard to read but i connected it so weird

[wise junco]

the buffer hid the issue

[dense violet]

catagorically wrong

[violet glen]

No it didn't.

[wise junco]

okay 🙂

[violet glen]

The problem was that when the the extractor backs up, it turn idle for a while. And the resulting duty cycle of "idle, back on" was too long for it to be able to reach to efficiency needed

[wise junco]

if it backed up, your machines weren't clocked right 🤷‍♀️

[violet glen]

this only happens if you want to take something like 95%, but not 100%

so below 90% is fine, full 100% is in theory also fine

but between that, a buffer right in front of it fixes it

[wise junco]

not sure why you wouldnt just clock your output to match what you're using?

you created your own problem

[violet glen]

Cause it backs up at times

Like I said, it's fine at below 90%, and at full 100%

but betweeen there, there's an area where the duty cycle of idle can't keep up with demand

[mint cradle]

Might be dumb for this

[wise junco]

i don't.. understand.. why you wouldnt just clock it to 100%.. but you do you

[violet glen]

It is clocked to 100%?!

That's exactly the problem

I just don't have a factory that never stops. Some of the stuff only fedding my depot can back up

[mint cradle]

But if I’m using one Normal node for plates and rods I would use 1 smelter or 2 and

[violet glen]

and that's when problems happen

[mint cradle]

Your storage is too full?

[wise junco]

if it is backing up, something is wrong with the math or the logistics

[violet glen]

The depo is just full. No problem in math or logistics

[wise junco]

so sink the excess

[mint cradle]

Then connect it to a sink

For the excess

[worn oar]

I need 12,000 iron plates and 1480 modular frames on my desk by this time tomorrow or you're fired.

[violet glen]

no, why? It's worth next to nothing

I just let it back up

[wise junco]

...to keep it producing normally

[mint cradle]

Yeahhhh

[violet glen]

Well, a fluid buffer in front of the extractor also does so

[wise junco]

nevermind

this is the weirdest argument i've ever had in this server

[violet glen]

Cause someone dares play the game different than you do?

[wise junco]

no, that you created your own problem and fix it with a buffer that... if your storage is full... your buffer will eventually fill and it hides the actual problem vs just putting a sink on it and letting it constantly produce

[violet glen]

No idea what "actual problem" it suppodely hides

[wise junco]

you could also just overclock the extractor and would've done the same thing

[violet glen]

there is just an oddness with pump duty cycles when at near full capacity. A full fluid buffer in front of the pump smoothes that out

[bitter lodge]

how so?

If you are pumping out X amount and that X amount is capping your machines. Buffering it...just buys you time until the buffer fills entirely as well though?

[violet glen]

Basically, an oil extractor max overclocked to 600m³ output is unable to run at 95~100% efficiency

[wise junco]

why?

[violet glen]

the time it goes idle when backing up is long enough to result in ~93% effiency

[normal orbit]

False

[ornate saffron]

you can make it run at 100% .

[violet glen]

True

[wise junco]

absolutely false my guy... i and myself and others have achieved 100% with extractors no problemo

[bitter lodge]

that is the same as saying a iron miner extracting 100 ore can't run at 100%?

[sour mulch]

Hello

[violet glen]

no, ore miners do not suffer from that issue

[bitter lodge]

If the output has a place to go, it will continue to run at 100%

[violet glen]

It does not though, that's what I'm saying

[dense violet]

people can achieve this all the time. I have . Constantly

you're just doing something wrong

[wise junco]

again, logistics or math issue

[bitter lodge]

then if that is your issue. just give it a place to go?

[violet glen]

if the extractor is clocked to do full 600m³ output. But your machines then only consume 590m³, it will not work

[bitter lodge]

underclock one more machine!?

[violet glen]

The extractor will be unable to provide 590m³

[wise junco]

so... make it.. produce... 590

[violet glen]

Are you trolling?

[dense violet]

I mean it will if you pipe it right, it'll just stutter every once in a while

[wise junco]

no, i'm 0% trolling

[violet glen]

No, the extractor will go idle, cause stuff backs up into it

But the pause it does when going idle is too long

[wise junco]

if it backs up into it, your logistics or math are off

[dense violet]

ionly if you've piped it wrong

[violet glen]

No, I explained that twice already

[dense violet]

although again, why don't you clock it to 590

[wise junco]

and you have numerous experienced players here saying "there's a system issue"

[violet glen]

If my full setup is running, it consumes a full 600m³/min, and all is fine

[wise junco]

but what do we know?

[bitter lodge]

If you are trying to export 600m, and its backing up. That means your machines aren't consuming a full 600 clearly.
So if you have them so they are only consuming 590 or whatever. Add a machine underclock it consume 10.
you will extract 600m 100%

[dense violet]

they were previously blocked from something sometime ago, I assume it's was because of something exactly like this

[shrewd palm]

i think extractors have cycles and that can cascade to not running at full efficiency, but again only if you pipe it wrong

[violet glen]

but if my turbo fuel setup, which takes a whole 10m³ of that, turns off, suddenly other setups stop being at 100%, cause the oil extractor is unable to supply 590m³ when clocked to do 600

[ornate saffron]

machine clocking is our greatest tool. it allows use to make sure systems are balanced

[wise junco]

seems legit

[violet glen]

You're not even trying to understand...

[wise junco]

so make sure the turbo fuel setup doesn't turn off

[violet glen]

I could do that, or just put a fluid buffer right in front of oil extractor and just let it back up

[bitter lodge]

Let me ask this.
How much oil does your factory consume on paper?

[mint cradle]

I’m starting to understand the math in this game now

And why things start to back up

[violet glen]

well, the whole factory something like 12000m³

But this one setup is built to max out one pure oil extractor

And I could not get it to run properly for the longest time, until I figured out this duty cycle oddity

[bitter lodge]

12000/600= 20.

So you need 20 pipes of 600.
which holy shit that is a lot to begin with.
but besides that. How much does your machines consume per min?

[violet glen]

If all are running, in this one setup, exactly 600

590 of that can't back up and will be consumed consistently, always

But 10 of it is my turbo fuel setup for ammo and packaged fuel

And if THAT backs up, suddenly the other 590 machines also start to struggle

and the reason for that turned out to be that an oil extractor clocked for 600m³ output cannot supply 590m³

[bitter lodge]

Are you linking your pipes together? or keeping each 600 separate in its own system of distribution?

[violet glen]

it will do either 600, ~560

or anything less than 560

but between that, there is a dead zone, due to how long it idles when backing up

[bitter lodge]

do yourself a favor-

Let your machines fill entirely, and your pipes fill entirely. Then flip it all on at the same time.

[mint cradle]

Guys should I produce my copper things at the node or bus the copper back to my factory to make it there

[violet glen]

The setup is filled entirely

[wise junco]

that won't fix it when his turbo setup stalls

[bitter lodge]

fluids are weird. But doing that. They will keep going and shouldn't buffer.

[violet glen]

that's exactly when the problem happens

[wise junco]

which is the whole problem

[bitter lodge]

No right answer-

Whatever you prefer.

[mint cradle]

Might just bus the finished product back ngl

Probably looks cleaner

[violet glen]

I just don't understand why some people consider a different solution to be "wrong" and get angry at it like people arguing over a religion...

[mint cradle]

But prob slower

[bitter lodge]

Then it sounds like your machines are stuttering because they are backing up due to output not being exported fast enough.

[violet glen]

this specific issue can be solved by either making sure it ALWAYS consumes the full 600, or via a fluid buffer

it is a valid fix to the issue

[bitter lodge]

a buffer doesn't fix it ._.

[violet glen]

Yes it does

[wise junco]

because you made a false claim

[violet glen]

No I did not

[bitter lodge]

If you are trying to export 600m, and its backing up. That means your machines aren't consuming a full 600 clearly.
So if you have them so they are only consuming 590 or whatever. Add a machine underclock it consume 10.
you will extract 600m 100%

[violet glen]

I spend a lot of time veryfing this, and I'm sure it's correct.

[wise junco]

i have several 600m^3 extractors that work fine. you're wrong for saying it can't be done

[violet glen]

Like I said, they work fine at a full 600

[bitter lodge]

You are saying your issue is that your machines stutter from being to filled?

but a buffer fixes it?

[wise junco]

his original statement was that oil extractors at 600m^3 won't work at capacity

[violet glen]

The problem arrises when you try to take more than 560, but less than the full 600, from an extractor clocked to 600

[bitter lodge]

Like not for just 1m. I mean for like literal hours.

[wise junco]

you didn't say your oil extractors. you made a blanket statement about it

[bitter lodge]

I don't get. I never had any issues with my oil extractors buffering?

[violet glen]

Yes, cause what happens then is while the extractor is idle due to backup, the fluid buffer keeps supplying the full 590m³/minute. And then the extractor turns back on, fills it back up, and repeat.

[wise junco]

right, so the way you chose to work your system, a buffer helped your setup

it's not required to make any 600m^3 oil setup work

[bitter lodge]

extractor is idle due to backup
AGAIN. If you add a fucking buffer. Your buffer will eventually fill as well!? Then the same issues arises!?

[violet glen]

No, it will not

[bitter lodge]

fuck it idc anymore.

im going back to doing silly things in my game.

[violet glen]

The fluid buffer bridges the gap in the too long force idle time the game does when an oil extractor backs up

[hard wolf]

ik quartz purification is good if you need a lot of both in a specific ratio, but it's also good if you need a lot of both and want to use it and supplement the silica underproduction with cheap silica. also pink pipe fluid sounds pretty and I really wanna use it >w<

[wise junco]

my entire point this whole time was that it's not required to use a buffer to make full use of a fully maxed oil node

[bitter lodge]

you got your logistics set up wrong or something. that is my end conclusion to this.

[violet glen]

like, it simply forces the oil extractor to go idle for too long when it backs up for it to be able to supply more than ~560m³/minute

[bitter lodge]

What-

Nothing stopping you from using pink pipes? you can use them aesthetically as well with no functioning?

[violet glen]

test it yourself, a pure node oil extractor, clocked to give the full 600m³/min, is unable to supply 570m³/minute, unless you put a fluid buffer right in front of it.

It always ends up at a ~93% efficiency

[bitter lodge]

I have that set up at my weapons factory...its constantly pumping 600 with no buffer

[wise junco]

yeah! if your system is erratic, it won't be efficient 🙂 that's ovious bud

[violet glen]

due to how long it goes idle

It's not erratic tho

[wise junco]

not running predictably = erratic

[violet glen]

this also happens in a test setup built to consume 570 or 590m³ consistently

[bitter lodge]

This isn't a game issue. This is a operator issue.

[violet glen]

the extractor can't do it

[wise junco]

"or"

[violet glen]

yes, or

[wise junco]

again, you engineered your own problem

i don't know what you want from us at this point.

[violet glen]

anything between 560 and less than full 600 does this

[wise junco]

yes, for that one specific setup

[violet glen]

I'm explaining to you how stuff works, but for some reason you are unable to comprehend it

[shrewd palm]

i think just about everyone here can get 600/min out of an oil node with no issues

[violet glen]

You also didn't read what I said, my god -_-

Game about math, and people unable to math

[wise junco]

i'm responding to your original statement @violet glen

you claimed a buffer was necessary to use an oil node at max

[bitter lodge]

I am unable to comprehend how you think your set up is the way the game works.
yet everyone else's set up does not have this issue.

[wise junco]

which is false for any setup except for the erratic one you're running

[hard wolf]

I want the pink fluid, not so much pink pipes, and also I only wanna use it if it's functional, and I can now :3 maybe it'll look really good against black pipes x3c

[bitter lodge]

screenshot that please!

[violet glen]

I tested it. Extensively. And that's the result of it.

[bitter lodge]

I am so curious to see that.

[violet glen]

The resulting duty cycle of on/off on the oil extractor makes certain output volumes impossible

[bitter lodge]

explain to me how my oil extractor can extract 600 at 100% for literal hours on end, with no buffer.

[wise junco]

^

[violet glen]

That is no problem

[bitter lodge]

EXPLAIN.

[violet glen]

I DID 5 TIMES NOW

[wise junco]

he can't, he's trolling us at this point and it's working

[bitter lodge]

So clearly. your set up is fucked.

[violet glen]

No it's not, I explained exactly why it works the way it does...

[dense violet]

just block the troll and be done with it

[bitter lodge]

because you set it up d-

[violet glen]

What happens if a machines output backs up?

[shrewd palm]

600/min into a system that consumes 590 equals an extractor that only outputs 590. add another machine that consumes 10/min and the "problem" is fixed

[bitter lodge]

ya cobalt. I am done.

[wise junco]

i want you to say it

i want you to say "oil extractors can run at 600m^3 without buffers, just not this specific setup"

your original argument was incorrect which was the only reason i even commented

[bitter lodge]

I said the same shit earlier >.>

[violet glen]

The machine turns off when it's full, for a certain amount of time. It does not instantly turn back on when the output has space again.

[mint cradle]

When it’s time to expand biomass burner grid

[violet glen]

And for a max clocked oil extractor, that time is so long, that during it, the output runs empty completely.

If the "forced idle time" for an oil extractor was reduced enough, the issue would go away as well

ore miners don't have that issue after all

[wise junco]

dodged it just like i figured lol

[violet glen]

The hell are you even talking about?

[wise junco]

you dodged any accountability for making a false statement, as i figured you would

[violet glen]

Go away and troll elsewhere. Just gonna put you on ignore

this is a game and not some weird religion about how to play it

[wise junco]

oh no, don't put me on ignore with my working oil extractors without buffers lol

[lost crag]

Just make two lines of them connected to one conveyor.

[bitter lodge]

coal power?

[placid stirrup]

Brah you're such a troll, noob. Get 6-7ed, bum

[bitter lodge]

#screenshots

🤣

[lost crag]

Sometimes you need to get your starter factory online before moving to coal.

[bitter lodge]

@normal orbit thank you for that pic

[bitter lodge]

Oh, you aren't there yet-

I rush coal power personally. can't bother getting grass and wood constantly

[placid stirrup]

I love burning grass, personally

[lost crag]

Who is trolling who?

[green cedar]

Welcome to Igno. Anyone who can't hold a conversation without insulting others is out of my book.

[placid stirrup]

LMFAO

[violet glen]

Some people here just take a game way too serious

[placid stirrup]

Does it come with a full kitchen at least? I like to host Sunday brunch with my homies and do each other's nails 💅

I haven't taken a thing seriously since '14

@wise junco thanks for prompting this great entertainment

[lost crag]

You guys should go to Rust so you can fight each other. Toxicity is welcomed there.

[violet glen]

I think we might have found the confirmed troll at least :D

[placid stirrup]

Someone's fighting?

[lost crag]

Rust is a game full of rats, it would be perfect for you.

[placid stirrup]

Aww it sounds so cute! Do they know tricks like me?

[lost crag]

You'll have to find that out for yourself.

[severe ledge]

does the valve headlift trick still work?

[violet glen]

The what trick?

[dense violet]

you mean water towers? Yes. And still as dumb and pointless as they have always been

[severe ledge]

pump water to a fluid buffer, pipe down to lower elevation, connect that pipe to another network to share headlift, then use a valve to prevent the fluid buffer from draining

[dense violet]

just use a pump

you really want to avoid connecting a ton of pipes together anyway

[severe ledge]

ok, yeah, that's what i was asking, and doing something wrong in my setup

[violet glen]

Water towers still work, yeah.

[dense violet]

possibly getting flow issues from connecting up a ton of pipes

[severe ledge]

well nah i was just working with one small setup to test it out before goin crazy

[placid stirrup]

I did manage to get mine to work in the nuclear setup (one of the few places I'd use it) but I'm not sure it saved any time with how complex it ended up.

[violet glen]

Water towers seem like purely an asethetic tool almost

so you move your pumps to elsewhere

[severe ledge]

but regardless, it's just 1 pump, so, i think you're right about using a pump lol

[dense violet]

they are essentially free

and take up no space
and don't make all your pipes connected

[placid stirrup]

It's vastly fewer pumps at the cost of a setup that doesn't violate any basic pipe no-no's

[violet glen]

I think the "proper" setup doesn't even have pumps?

[dense violet]

connecting up tons of pipe systems together is a basic pipe no no xD

[placid stirrup]

It does

[dense violet]

like, a core one

[violet glen]

You pump the buffer up on the tower full once, and then valve it off, but its headlift persists or something?

[severe ledge]

it's 8 coal gens with three input pipes on either side and the middle

[violet glen]

so the pumps can go then

[placid stirrup]

Ok only 1 pipe no-no

[dense violet]

a big one

[placid stirrup]

I did get it working and not with much troubleshooting, but the tedium of how everything needed to connect wasn't worth it

No valves, no buffers

[mint cradle]

Bro this space tick giraffe penguin is depressed

Dudes been standing here for ever

[placid stirrup]

It's like the core principle of "don't break more than one law at once".

[dense violet]

deconstruct the object it's stuck on

[wise junco]

😕

[hard wolf]

I'm seeing added vertices traveling up/down the shadows of these pipes as they shift

[bitter lodge]

why would someone need 3600 alum?

[shrewd palm]

not enough

[hard wolf]

something big, probably. possibly a phase 5 automation build

[bitter lodge]

I can't remember why the hell I made a factory to produce this!?

this is actually insane. The belt work alone must of taken hours.

[shrewd palm]

im making 12000 aluminum just for the hell of it

most of it will be going towards tickets

[bitter lodge]

there is enough baux that?

[hard wolf]

did you belt all of the bauxite nodes to the central lake to process it all at once as soon as you had what you needed to start? because that's what I did xwx

[shrewd palm]

yes

[bitter lodge]

ya-

I belted in 4050 baux

[mint cradle]

There’s nothing

[shrewd palm]

i think theres enough bauxite for something like 14k with the right recipes but i dont want to deal with silica

[mint cradle]

He’s actually depressed

Also is 100 screws a minute good early game

[bitter lodge]

ya I am using refineries

but I can't find anywhere in my past notes where I needed this much alum

[shrewd palm]

never hurts to have extra

im gonna have something like 6k left over

probably gonna use it for SAM and steel beams

[mint cradle]

I mean enough

[bitter lodge]

no.

[shrewd palm]

100 screws is enough for like one item

[bitter lodge]

you will always need screws. strongly recommend getting an alt recipe.

[mint cradle]

Even at t2

[mint cradle]

I’m using cast iron

[shrewd palm]

if you NEED screws use cast screws, but its better to just avoid them entirely

[mint cradle]

I just need them rn for part assembly

[bitter lodge]

steel screws are the best-

[shrewd palm]

there are a few alts that can cut screws out of just about everything

[bitter lodge]

ima hurt past me

[mint cradle]

Should I aim for 200 a minute then?

[bitter lodge]

I found why I needed this much alum. I need 1800.

[mint cradle]

Rn I don’t need much but imma be making rotors soon

[shrewd palm]

200 still wont be very much, screws are one of those things where they just clog up an entire belt or two for one item

[mint cradle]

Damm even for early game

[bitter lodge]

screws are rough early game

[shrewd palm]

yeah

[bitter lodge]

but as said before alt recipes can be used to bypass ever needing screws.

[mint cradle]

Boutta unlock assemblers 💔

[mint cradle]

Even for rotors and stuff like that

[shrewd palm]

they're rough later on too but just because you need so god damn much of them

[hard wolf]

according to the wiki, solid steel ingot to steel rods to base screws is the most efficient way to make them, but the alts that keep you from having to make them are really nice xwx

[bitter lodge]

ya.

[shrewd palm]

one factory i made filled like 10 mk6 belts with screws

[bitter lodge]

None of my factories requires screws.

[hard wolf]

but there are supply lines where it's possibly/probably more efficient to make the screws anyway

[mint cradle]

Rn I got one node at 25/min hooked up to one smelter that gives 25 a min to 2 cast screw constructers

[shrewd palm]

i dont think any of mine will anymore, i've discovered the screw free HMF recipe

[mint cradle]

Is there a screw free regular modular frame

[bitter lodge]

heavy encased my beloved.

[mint cradle]

Wait nvm

[shrewd palm]

yes

[mint cradle]

Do modular frames even need screws

Normal ones

[bitter lodge]

Nope.

[hard wolf]

they do if you use base reinforced plates iirc

[hollow mountain]

why do people hate screw so much? is it because it bypass belt limit?

[shrewd palm]

one of my favourite things to do for modular frames is steeled frame + stitched iron plate + iron wire + iron pipes

[bitter lodge]

you are gonna need a lot of alts to bypass screws

[mint cradle]

Can I send a pic of my factory so far and yall can see what I can improve

No images here 💔

[bitter lodge]

I hate that recipes require such a large amount at once.

[bitter lodge]

#screenshots

[shrewd palm]

^^

[hard wolf]

screw logistics can be pain, but it's not as big of a deal if the rest of the factory is also pain

[mint cradle]

Why’d my image change

[shrewd palm]

you need so much of them so its usually better to deal with (sometimes) less efficient recipes in exchange for not having to deal with multiple belts filled with screws

[mint cradle]

To something I didn’t send

Nvm it was a bug

[shrewd palm]

are you playnig console or pc

[mint cradle]

The elevators are producing cable and wire

[mint cradle]

Console

[shrewd palm]

ahh

[hard wolf]

I think these pipes look best during twilight but I was typing in that moment. I might have to wait longer xwx

[mint cradle]

Plates and rods are the first two rows

[shrewd palm]

dw about it then

[mint cradle]

Were you gonna tell me about pressing n

For the typing thing

[bitter lodge]

was it the wiki site or the fandom site that is better?

[shrewd palm]

screenshots

[bitter lodge]

for like information wise.

[mint cradle]

Oh yeah mb

[shrewd palm]

fandom is almost universally worse for every single game

[hard wolf]

the .gg site. it's linked on the title screen

[mint cradle]

That one image of the fat guy taking a photo of the screen

[mint cradle]

What should I focus on producing next or more of

[shrewd palm]

just keep trying to get project parts done

[bitter lodge]

I see the screenshot, you want to know what to do better?

[brittle finch]

Well I saw some machines and the miner that were yellow

[mint cradle]

It was clogged I fixed it by under clocking about to connect the line again

[shrewd palm]

you look like you're super fresh into the game so there isnt very much to critique 😭

[bitter lodge]

1. Just keep playing the game unlock more stuff.
2. Tear down old factory and make it better with new stuff (mk2 miners, alt recipes, new machines.)
3. repeat steps 1 and 2 several times.
4. The factory never stops growing.

[mint cradle]

I restarted since my first time playing was copied

Now it’s all myself

[shrewd palm]

although for tearing stuff down once you're able to fully utilize a node i dont think its worth it

[bitter lodge]

I tore down my iron factory like 4 times then made an actual mega one that produces like 15 different things from just iron and limestone alone.

[shrewd palm]

past that point you're just wasting time on something you dont really need to waste time on

[bitter lodge]

I tear down my factories after I get mk2 miners.

[shrewd palm]

^^

[bitter lodge]

cause I get so much more out of them.

Now I am about to work on automating things for mk3 miners....and do it all again...but for like 6-7 factories....

[mint cradle]

Project assembly unlocked

[shrewd palm]

huge

[hollow mountain]

im not gonna lie to you guys building rails for train suck so bad

[shrewd palm]

get that smart plating going

\and then you get coal power and steel

and thats when the game really gets going

[mint cradle]

What do you need for smart plating again?

[shrewd palm]

good question

[bitter lodge]

oh making a factory that produces supercomputer, fused modular frames, and turbo motors won't be bad...
1342 MACHINES TOTAL!?

[mint cradle]

1 rotor 1 reinforced

Based on that photo where should I place the line

[brittle finch]

Man I’m making 2 of each of those per minute extra and my aluminum plates and casing and I didn’t need anywhere near that- how much you making!?

[mint cradle]

For the factory’s making them

[bitter lodge]

I have it at 10 default each

I gotta...optimize this shit. Gotta figure out what alt recipes to use.

[brittle finch]

Well really it’s up to how you’d like to design and and how it’s convenient for you!

[shrewd palm]

(unless you're gonig for a certain aesthetic)
make yourself some sort of platform you can connect rails to (make sure it has signals going both ways, connection point for a power pole, room for belts/pipes)

[shrewd palm]

lots of empty space in the middle

[mint cradle]

I have another node to my right

Gonna build another miner on it and connect the screw factory to it

And then iron to rods for the reinforced

Wait do I even need rods

[brittle finch]

Do you use any of the websites for planning it? I prefer satisfactoryproductionplanner.com

[mint cradle]

Yes for rotor

[bitter lodge]

I am using satisfactorytools.

[shrewd palm]

you'll need some mroe later but theres lots of iron in the grassy fields

[mint cradle]

I’m sitting on 3 nodes rn

[bitter lodge]

Led over stressing just iron. I am looking at my spider web of hell that requires like 10 different resources >.>

ohhh to be early game again....

[brittle finch]

Ah, that’s another good one, I’ll let you figure out what recipes you’d like on my own since we may not have the same preferences on that!

[shrewd palm]

theres 6 impure near some cliffs where you are and 6 normal down south

[hollow mountain]

i meant more about making the platform to put the rail in

[bitter lodge]

ya this is just gonna take some testing around on the site.

I may bring it down to maybe like 5 per.

[hard wolf]

have you seen pasta town? :3 it started out as a late game handfeed factory and then I tacked on a bunch of supply lines to automate it, as well as superposition oscillator & neural-quantum processor production, and added on a production line for singularity cells to make a small 4 portal travel hub and it's a huge mess xwx

[bitter lodge]

LMAO

the factory grows!

[shrewd palm]

is pasta town named after spaghetti

[hard wolf]

belt spaghetti, yes >w<

[mint cradle]

Splitters split the rights amounts automatically right

[shrewd palm]

not necessarily

they split it into however many outputs you have on it

[hard wolf]

if it's a manifold setup it'll balance out after a while, but you can handfeed it to speed up that process

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[shrewd palm]

and if one of those outputs gets backed up it will put more into the empty one

[mint cradle]

I need 30 to go to one side 43.5 to go other and 18 to the third

[mint cradle]

Idk why I forgot this

[shrewd palm]

that'll sort itself out

[earnest condor]

Full send it and just wait.

[mint cradle]

Time to build this

[bitter lodge]

3k water ._.

I get refineries are goated for making resources using water. but 3k water is so much to handle.

[shrewd palm]

theres 2300 uraqnium on the map right?

[shrewd palm]

only 5 mk6 piopes

[hard wolf]

2100

[shrewd palm]

handful of extractors

ty

[hard wolf]

there's also 10200 SAM

[mint cradle]

4 rotors and 2 smart plating a min should be fine

[earnest condor]

? Like Ingots or something else?

[hard wolf]

rush synthetic power shards imo

[earnest condor]

Still automating Project Parts? 😏

[mint cradle]

About to

Wait

[earnest condor]

That's definitely a choice.

[mint cradle]

Your method is better

[bitter lodge]

everything

[mint cradle]

I remember

[bitter lodge]

satisfactory tools wants to use every raw resource in the refinery to make the ingots.

[mint cradle]

Hand feeding into an assembler

To make the parts

[bitter lodge]

if only I was that far in the game.

[mint cradle]

Should I should automate them later or what

[abstract spade]

"just rush the whole game"

[earnest condor]

The only Pure Ingot I consider using is Caterium tbh.

Basic Iron and Copper Alloy are just 🧑‍🍳 💋

[shrewd palm]

praying i dont end up using all of that

[earnest condor]

I literally never do.

[bitter lodge]

ya I am just trying to figure out recipes right now

[mint cradle]

How come

[hard wolf]

it becomes viable at a point (rushing synthetic power shards, trigons, and time crystals), though the existence of those 3 things has changed a lot of how I play the game xwx it's still been fun, though, so that's good

[earnest condor]

No point.

[mint cradle]

But I should automate reinforced

[bitter lodge]

I don't got an issue grabbing resources. but building 100 refineries is such a pain in the ass.

[mint cradle]

Plates right

[earnest condor]

Caterium I am even going to stop probably because of how good Tempered is.

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[mint cradle]

How many per min would you say

5?

[earnest condor]

Basic Iron has better conversion than Pure and uses Foundries.
Copper Alloy uses Foundries too and takes 3x less space given how much faster the recipe is.

[earnest condor]

5 is a start.

[abstract spade]

just make excess of every part you make into containers

[earnest condor]

Why would you have excess of any part when you were the one who decided how much to make? 🤔

[abstract spade]

what

if ur the one to decide how much ur making then u can decide to make a little excess

[earnest condor]

Why?

[abstract spade]

so u dont have to make an entire factory for each new part

[earnest condor]

I am confused.

[hard wolf]

if you want to max out the nuclear plant, you'll need a lot of it. I'm trying to use less than 6.6k but I might bump that up a bit if it keeps me from having to sink any plutonium rods. I'm also going to use almost all of the somersloops for it. between that part of the supply line and the 3 augmenters I want to build

[mint cradle]

Can you check screenshots should I attach the screws I’m making to the plate factory or make new screws to go along with the rotors and plates and keep the rest as excess

[shrewd palm]

im not doing ficsonium but im worried about how much i'll have to use for phase 5 stuff

i want to use all of it but i want a certain amount of it to be for ballistic warp drives

[abstract spade]

just make whatever you want bro youll figure it out over time and thats part of the fun

[hard wolf]

are you sinking plutonium rods or stockpiling waste?

[earnest condor]

If you make 20 Plates for filling storage, those are the Plates dedicated for storage.
They are not excess.
If you then need to make RIPs, you make new Plates specifically to feed the RIPs. You do not under any circumstance touch the Plates For Storage line, because that is for storage.

There is no excess.

[shrewd palm]

sinking the rods and using them for fuel

[hard wolf]

that's pretty safe. I was going to find a salute emoji if you said stockpile xwx

[shrewd palm]

i am not gonna stockpile 2500 waste every minute

gonna take an entire biome to be able to deal with 5 stacks of waste every 60 seconds

[surreal ingot]

Im definitely doing this wrong #screenshots message

[hard wolf]

as long as you have enough headlift and it's running properly it's probably fine, though 3 extractors to 8 generators is the suggested ratio. if you start with (and have the output for) 16 generators you'd have a lot of wiggle room

[surreal ingot]

Well I’m a little confused because it’s not moving fast enough

By the time the coal gets to the last one it’s run out of fuel

So my capacity keeps going up and down

[bitter lodge]

I have gone from 200+ refineres down to just 3.

[hard wolf]

@bitter lodge #screenshots message

[bitter lodge]

recipe game management is strong

YOOOO

[bitter lodge]

I love that so much-

[hard wolf]

it's so pretty. especially how the pink turns lavender at night >w<

[shrewd palm]

whats the blue one

[hard wolf]

excited photonic matter

[shrewd palm]

ooh

[surreal ingot]

Yeah I don’t know why my coal isn’t going fast enough. It takes 15/min, I travel 60/m, should be 4:1 right?

[earnest condor]

@hard wolf when you turn the lights off, with Lumen on, that #screenshots is Photonic, DMR, and Ionized. 😁

[surreal ingot]

Oh, wait… it is because of how I have the splitters set up?

[hard wolf]

@bitter lodge I added another photo with the floodlight

[shrewd palm]

you've made a manifold which means that it will take a while for the last one to fill up:
first one fills up quick, second slower, and so on. if you want to make it fill up faster you can underclock the gens to like 1% (or manually put in a stack of coal) and then put it back to 100% once they're all full with coal

[hard wolf]

it's very pretty x3

[earnest condor]

Using pipes for glow in the dark decoration can be fun!

[bitter lodge]

those are actually fire though

[hard wolf]

I need the mk1 and mk2 models to be swapped bc I think the mk1's look nicer xwx

[surreal ingot]

Wonder if there’s a faster way to set this up tbh

[hard wolf]

grab some coal and handfeed it

that would definitely speed up the process

[bitter lodge]

rueeee

[shrewd palm]

manifolds are generally the best way to fill up machines but you sacrifice startup time for simplicity

you can load balance too (set up splitters and mergers to directly feed each machine what it needs) but past a certain point they just arent worth it

[surreal ingot]

Also wouldn’t that mean the last one still slowly loses out on the coal it’s being given? Even at 100% it seems to use more than it receives

[shrewd palm]

once the belts and everything are all filled up it'll be fine

[surreal ingot]

So I should try and manually fill the last 2 up to 100?

[shrewd palm]

each machine takes what it needs (15/min) and because the internal storage is full in all the machines that means that they only take that much

[earnest condor]

Fill the last one by hand.
You want your belt refilling the machines, not trying to fill them.

[bitter lodge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ktAUQVkEWVcKV21zOKBx

can I get input on this? I think this is pretty decent for a factory.

[hard wolf]

it looks good, but you might wanna add 5 RCU's & 5 cooling systems/m if you haven't automated them yet

[charred thistle]

what tier do you unlock lighting?

[bitter lodge]

so those two things are made in this factory for end product.

I was thinking of using a smart splitter overflow and sending them into a depot.

[surreal ingot]

Doesn’t the last one technically get 7.5/m?

[hard wolf]

that would definitely work x3

[dense violet]

reduces refineries a lot, I approve

[bitter lodge]

ya I do nothing but independent factories.
but the 3 end products are for mk3 miners.

[bitter lodge]

HELL YA IT DOES.

[dense violet]

though probalby split it into 3 plans for ease

[bitter lodge]

I am already cranking out 3600 alum. I can spare some of that for this factory to not have to use any refineries

[bitter lodge]

like 3 small factories?

[dense violet]

make 3 tools plans , 1 for each item.
then looking at them maybe keep some of the earlier parts together in little hubs?
you'll find it's easier to plan decent layouts like that

[shrewd palm]

what did i get myself into

[bitter lodge]

interesting idea-

[shrewd palm]

surely i can handle 30 nuclear pasta

[bitter lodge]

I typically just make a floor for each set of machines. So it turns into this cool tower.

[shrewd palm]

gonna have to make like 200 computers

[hard wolf]

if you wanted to minimize it even further you could reduce your outputs and add more buffer. it'll take longer to refill but, unless you're already planning on maxing out the nodes, would require less up front work and maybe letting the game run overnight

or you could explore while it stockpiles

[bitter lodge]

Talking to me Meli?

[hard wolf]

ye

[bitter lodge]

Not worried about any of that honestly.

I just want these 3 things so I can make mk3 miners anytime I want. They are all going into a depot.

I think typically ya people will mass make something then transport it to another factory. But not me. If I want to make something. I will make a factory for it.

I for sure automated 95% of this factory already. But I don't wanna transport that stuff. I rather make a whole new massive factory

[mint cradle]

Would I use a manifold to get 4 smelters to connect to one miner

[dense violet]

yes

[hollow mountain]

what item do you guys use somerslop on?

[dense violet]

none

[hollow mountain]

huh

[bitter lodge]

shards.

[dense violet]

if the question is 'can I manifold this?' the answer is always yes

[bitter lodge]

or lkike ammo

[hollow mountain]

4 smelter equaly is ez to separate tho

[dense violet]

so? even more compact and easy to manifold

[hollow mountain]

but manifold take time

but i admite more compact is great

[dense violet]

so? do literally anything else while 'time' happens

[hard wolf]

I get that. all of noodle town is feeding depots aside from the portals. you could also plan for 2.5 supercomputers & turbo motors/m and sloop them until storage is full

[bitter lodge]

true...

I may consider that as well.

Load balancing vs manifold is just a matter of preference. Same end result.

[hollow mountain]

also is there a pros of using drone over train?

[bitter lodge]

drone go uppy. Train no go uppy.

[hard wolf]

drones are low output over long distance (and also useful for keeping nuclear radiation away), and trains are high output over long distance

[hollow mountain]

im dumb whats low/high output? like item?

[white dawn]

The biggest advantage to drones is basically zero infrastructure costs

[dense violet]

trains require a lot of infrastructure but you can reuse a lot
tends to be bad around terrible terrain and elevation changes

drones are great for no infrastructure

ignores terrain

[white dawn]

It's true that drones excel at lower-throughput transfers, but if you're willing to keep plonking drone ports down, they can support whatever throughput you need (just like any of the other logistics options)

[mint cradle]

To split 4 into 3 out put merge the 2 then split or what

[hard wolf]

low output is having a HMF factory and needing to deliver 10/m to another factory. high output is needing to move a ton of an item (like limestone) from one place to another

[bitter lodge]

BRUH

[hollow mountain]

OHHH i see

[bitter lodge]

I need drones. omg I could minimize my factory so much

[hard wolf]

drones go brrr but I've avoided using them before having a packaged ionized fuel line set up xwx

[mint cradle]

?

[hard wolf]

though maybe that's a mistake?

[dense violet]

huh?

[hollow mountain]

im just at rocket fuel

[bitter lodge]

I don't even got rocket fuel yet-

[mint cradle]

I have 4 outputs and I need 3

[bitter lodge]

maybe drones are out of my hand

[hollow mountain]

what do you have?

[dense violet]

process each of the 4 lines on their own, clock the machines to make 3 outputs after

[hollow mountain]

i mean some people use regular fuel

[dense violet]

or clock and merge the items coming from 4 belts into 3 belts in the first place

[bitter lodge]

rocket LMAO

[mint cradle]

Can I show you my plan

[dense violet]

clocking and selectively merging your outputs solves like 99% of your issues before they become issues

I mean if you want , #math-and-meta is good for that

[bitter lodge]

I need to unlock drones still lmao.

[mint cradle]

Sent it

[bitter lodge]

oh

led you are so early game I love it.

[hollow mountain]

its crazy how good rocket fuel is. i think im gonna make a huge power plant in the lake south east of the map

[mint cradle]

I’m having a brain fart

[bitter lodge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=wqAIxRGpHAY9lpo8CP0Z

I got this set up for rocket fuel

But I haven't made it yet. I guess I planned it out a while ago and just forgot about it.

[hollow mountain]

guys i heard transport liquid on train is really bad. why tho?

[bitter lodge]

wait trains can do fluids?

like without packaging?

[hollow mountain]

pretty sure

[hard wolf]

I'm torn between suggesting fueling your drones with turbofuel and using the resin from heavy oil residue to to make the canisters, or suggesting rocket fuel and feeding in bauxite for the tanks xwx

[bitter lodge]

I was gonna make packaged rocket fuel, then use drones to supply fuel to other drones-

[hollow mountain]

i mean drone need the fuel package

[flint phoenix]

How often do you completely forget to hook up a machine to a splitter, leaving your production chain starved of screws for hours until you notice? 😅

[bitter lodge]

ya, drone port at fuel factory. Then that drone will transport the fuel to other drone ports to fuel them :>

[hollow mountain]

at least once a day or every 2 days

[hard wolf]

there are fluid platforms but the capacity is low. it's getting bumped up from 1600m^3 to 2400m^3 in 1.2

[bitter lodge]

oh well that is not a lot of fluid-

[hard wolf]

that's probably the best way, ime. especially since you can fuel the delivery network at the plant >w< it'll be especially useful for trucks once 1.2 releases

[bitter lodge]

ya trucks

I may give those a try once its fully released. cause right now, they are such a pain to set up I avoided them

[mint cradle]

So trains are tuff right

[worn oar]

Tuff is an igneous rock so no

[hard wolf]

blueprints made my transcontinental rail loop a breeze. if it's that easy with trucks I'll probably combine the two x3 though trucks are short distance high throughput and that makes a transcontinental loop kind of pointless xwx

[void lance]

Question. Anyone else doing a 100x2 Run? Is power just insanity for Phase 1&2? Is there any way to make this better?

[bitter lodge]

don't stress about those-

you are far from those, and farther from needing them.

[hard wolf]

if you don't have 1:1 throughput with a train, add another train

[bitter lodge]

I wanna use trains just to see them

I have 0 trains and I am in phase 8....

[hard wolf]

reduce your aluminum factory down to ingots and ship them out across the continent? :3

[bitter lodge]

that was the plan actually.

3600 ingots about to be dispersed via train system

[hollow mountain]

im doing casing in my aluminum factory

[bitter lodge]

I was considering that, but alum can be made into more than just casing. Plus I have casing being made in a seperate alum factory that goes into my depot

[hollow mountain]

i mean i still have a lot of ingot

[void lance]

Anyone else doing a 100x2 Run?? Need to see how you're dealing with Power

[bitter lodge]

what is that-?

[void lance]

100 times Spare parts, and 2x the cost to make things

Space*

[woven zealot]

thinking of getting the game, pros and cons?

and is the community super active?

[void lance]

No socal life, you have dreams off belts and tubes