satisfactory

[shy temple]

dead, that is a goal of mine for my 1.2

[indigo geyser]

i mean slooping the last step you get double the fuel rods but slooping the last 2 steps you get 4x

[shy temple]

I want to really just mass biomass and use it. Especially for making some alien tickets.

[indigo geyser]

go back 3 steps and your sitting at 8x but im pretty sure youre out of sloops before then lol

[supple canopy]

x is steps slooped
production increases by 2^x
power consumption increases by 4^x

[shy temple]

there probably isn't enough sloop to do the last 2 steps for all things in the process

and would need to do it on the uranium fuel rod stage to match the +300%

[earnest condor]

Biocoal with somers is the bees knees!

[shy temple]

at 25 assemblers as per above, that already makes that comparison impossible.

Yeah, I have actually never bothered with biocoal

[indigo geyser]

idk i think doubling the fuel rods themselves will only double your power which you could already do with the 10 augmenters

[shy temple]

I want to make a big bio-processor.

First to biofuel, then biocoal and then the last of the excess will go to making tickets is my plan, do smart merger chains

[shy temple]

exactly is my logic. And like you said, you can alien augment which increases that even more.

[supple canopy]

only rods you should sloop is ficsonium, maybe you can make a case for uranium

[ornate saffron]

plutonium gives you the largest power gains though

[shy temple]

why ficsonium? That is just a plutonium waste disposal. It doesnt give much power.

[indigo geyser]

you can sink ficsonium right?

[supple canopy]

yes but gives you so much work for ficsonium

[shy temple]

nope

[ornate saffron]

no

[indigo geyser]

not the ficsonium fuel just the regular ficsonium

[supple canopy]

neither

[shy temple]

Nope, just confirmed on wiki

[indigo geyser]

well i guess if youre going to use the plutonium you might as well go all the way thru ficsonium =\

[shy temple]

well, that is the ponder I had.

[ornate saffron]

im sinking the Plutonium rods

[shy temple]

Cause to fics, you are using sam. How much uranium can you make with that sam to get more plutonium?

[supple canopy]

or do it like people used to until update 4 : make a giant warehouse and store the plutonium waste like in the dark ages

[shy temple]

cause if I am going maximum like that, then I will go all wasteland on a good chunk of the map.

all sam to more uranium to get more plutonium!

[ornate saffron]

TBF its easy to make a large Industrial storage BP and just store on the edge of the map or under. The plutowaste builds real slow.

[supple canopy]

it's a valid way. Not elegant in my book, but valid

[earnest condor]

UNDER?
Porkalo would never suggest going out of bounds 😭

[ornate saffron]

if it aint a death box, its in bounds

[indigo geyser]

i went out of bounds once... once

[supple canopy]

I think you can even go outside the death box iirc

[ornate saffron]

you can,

[indigo geyser]

actually thats a lie ive misjudged hypertube cannons idk how many times lol

[earnest condor]

Ask Zula, the tunneler.
My stance on this is a firm "there should be an instant death line 1m below the visible ground level" 😄

[supple canopy]

these poor tamed doggoes...

[ornate saffron]

that rat is a insperation lol

[earnest condor]

Imagine leaving them alive long enough to tame. 😄

[indigo geyser]

i accidentally found the lizzard doggo home cave a while back

[little cobalt]

better a peaceful death and respawn than a forever void

[ornate saffron]

doggo cave is great. there a mix tape, helmet and blade runners in there

[shy temple]

I tamed all of them then walked them back to green fields. Now in a pen in my train station

[indigo geyser]

you think its possible to finish the game using only what doggos find for you? lol

would be like minecraft skyblock

[supple canopy]

good question actually

I think the highest tier they can give are fused modular frames and turbomotors?

[ornate saffron]

no, you cant get pasta fropm them or any phase part

[indigo geyser]

well the only limitation would be no mining. that includes hand mining and portable/regular miners but you can build any other machine you want

[chrome sable]

no way how did u tame them every time i go near them they run 😭

[indigo geyser]

hold a paleberry in your hand

then drop it on the ground when they start apraoching

[chrome sable]

hell yeah thanks for that👍

[west jackal]

huh? just saw the ping

[supple canopy]

yea and unless doggos found a way to produce and package excited photonic matter you can't get past phase 4 lol

[west jackal]

im not slooping any of the rods, and i only make like 1.95TW

[earnest condor]

And then Shattered Rebar them to the face.

[indigo geyser]

well if youre going to do that you might as well get evil with it and stick a nobelisk to their face so when they run back and tell all their friends how mean you are you can blow them up too lmao

[sick falcon]

chat do i start a new satisfactory file or p rank 8-3 disintegration loop

[earnest condor]

They must all die.

[indigo geyser]

can i get that in english?

[unkempt blade]

minesweeper on full screen

[lunar python]

they announcing hires like they're pokemon

[west jackal]

yeah that confused tf out of me

[ornate saffron]

they were talking about maxing out nuclear and the best ways to sloop

[little cobalt]

p rank is ultrakill language. i vote new satisfactory file but that's because i have ultrakill in my steam library never launched

[indigo geyser]

if there was 2x the sloops on the map then exponential production increase would probably be the better way to do it rather than just making augmenters

[west jackal]

oh, not sure the best ways, the things i have slooped reduce the ammount of resources drastically but dont really increase power, actually it reduces the power produced because im slooping some singularity cells 🤔

[earnest condor]

The fact somers are limited was one of the best decisions in 1.0
Where you really have to think about how and where to allocate them.

[indigo geyser]

idk i just go with the 10 augmenters and use the last 3 for power shards and dna capsules

[little cobalt]

were sloops ever renewable? i guess they did come back after updates 🤔

[ornate saffron]

Map updates tend to trigger a respawn

[indigo geyser]

nope theyre non renewable and theres only 106 on the map and 3 are used up for research

[earnest condor]

No, but their power is properly contained by their limited-ness.
As opposed to the (imo) BS of Mercers.

[little cobalt]

i wouldn't mind them adding another hundred spheres personally. DDs are a godsend. to each their own!

[indigo geyser]

i think theres already plenty of spheres as it is. almost 300 iirc

[little cobalt]

for sure. i was just saying that i'm glad they are plentiful

[indigo geyser]

yeah DD was a huge game changer. massive QoL there lol

[earnest condor]

Complete disagree 😄 But to each their own.

[ornate saffron]

ya, they are great. But i do not regrett making Mall storage back in the day. I learned so much

[river ingot]

I <3 DD

[ornate saffron]

❤️ D

[river ingot]

DD has made larger projects not incredibility tedious

[hard wolf]

quadruple industrial storage buffer into depot mall, though

malls haven't gone away, imo

[little cobalt]

yeah i mean where else are you gonna put a hot topic

[indigo geyser]

could give them a booth in every spirit halloween store lol

[river ingot]

Its true
Especially for large projects you'll probably still need to go back and manually collect things

My large turbo fuel plant I was CONSTANTLY running out of concrete, plastic and Steal Beams

Had to do runs to fill up my inventory

[dim sentinel]

coal

[supple canopy]

no iron

[wispy drift]

Whenever the new update comes out will old saves still work ?

[little cobalt]

yer

[indigo geyser]

i dont see why they wouldnt. i converted my 1.1 save to 1.2 and it works just fine

[river ingot]

99.99% chance they will
Saves have generally been transferable through most updates

[dim sentinel]

im listening to the goat simulator soundtrack in game even though i own the soundtrack on steam

[little cobalt]

if you make heavy use of ground vehicles that aren't trains there will be some maintenance to do on 1.2 but should be fine

[hard wolf]

I think one depot per 4 industrial containers is good, and if you run out of something a lot it's good to add another 4 containers + depot for that item. my limestone is definitely going to be 8 depots and 32 industrial storage containers

[river ingot]

Its still a good idea to backup your saves in case there's a bug when you transfer
That way you can wait till its patched and then update

[supple canopy]

there is upload time issues with a single DD no matter how many isc you put behind though on certain items*

[indigo geyser]

yeah vehicles are actually worth dabbling in and the daisy chaining power lines is great because then i dont need a mod to do it lol

[river ingot]

I'll 100% be messing with trucks in 1.2

[indigo geyser]

you can only upload 240 items/min but thats per depot so if you have 4 depots doing the same item its 960/min

[hard wolf]

that's why the 8 depots and 32 containers. the more depots you have for a specific item, the faster it'll upload.

[supple canopy]

eh, all vehicle issues were fixed in update 5 and daisy chaining clips in machines so...

[river ingot]

Great for "too far to walk/belt/tub" but too short for a train

[indigo geyser]

i can deal with a little cable clipping if it means i can get rid of 95% of the power poles lol

[river ingot]

100% worth it

[supple canopy]

100% agree on power poles, I've been circumventing them with stuff like this #design-and-architecture message

[hard wolf]

this logic also applies to trains, trucks, and drones (at least kind of) and I still need to double up on the trains feeding my aluminum plant :/

[indigo geyser]

uwuminum

[hard wolf]

xwx

iz it pwonownced uwuminum ow uwuminiyum :3c

[indigo geyser]

depends... do you drive on the right side or the wrong side? lol

[slender oxide]

why does my fuse keep blowing?

my peak power consumtion is 80 and i have 3 biomass thingies

[indigo geyser]

youre max power consumption is higher than youre max power capacity

[hard wolf]

the right side, which is where ships built in federal space seat their cockpits (other game reference)

[slender oxide]

oh

[indigo geyser]

make sure all 3 are fueled. if one runs out that leaves you at 60MW

[hard wolf]

the biomass burners output less power, if you're counting those. a normal burner does like 30mw (edited bc corrected)

[slender oxide]

all are fueled, and im using solid biomass

[indigo geyser]

the burners on the hub only give 20MW each while the ones you build give 30MW

so if you have 3 and 2 of them are the ones on the hub youre only getting 70MW

[slender oxide]

i built another, now i have 4

and i dont use the one on the hub

my capacity with these 4 is 120

consum varies from 70-90

maybe thats why

[hard wolf]

it's a super good idea to switch to the standalone units asap bc you can automate the fuel chain all the way from leaves/wood and that reduces the loop there to grabbing a bunch of plants and cramming them in a couple of storage containers

[indigo geyser]

yeah ill usually make a little rat tail factory to process leaves and wood into solid fuel and belt it to the burners

makes the process allot less tedious to keep the filled

[river ingot]

This smells of 🇺🇸

[indigo hare]

90% of the world drives on the correct side btw

[river ingot]

Sometimes if power spikes fast enough you won't see it reported on the graph and it looks really confusing
Just make a couple more burners

[slender oxide]

i did

i have 4 now, i tried automating all the things i need to research coal power is all

[indigo geyser]

does it smell like crude oil and gun powder? lol

[dawn mist]

Quick inquiry

1.2 on the experimental branch; did they add anything to the shop?

[indigo geyser]

not to the shop i dont think. at least i havent noticed anything new

[river ingot]

Its true a large population of the world drives on the right side there's still a large portion of the world that drives on the left
Basically all of Oceania drives on the left, southern Africa, India and surrounding countries and a good few others

Why I say it smells American is because a lot of American people will go online and act like the way America does anything is the only "correct" way. A lot of Americans in conversations will say the the acronym of their state to say where they live instead of America as if everyone should know all US States, or with DD/MM/YYYY a lot of Americans will try to correct people and Timezones is another

[indigo hare]

ok british lmao

[river ingot]

Oh that's another, anything not American and European or specifically British
I'm from Australia lol

[indigo hare]

ah same thing you still drive on the wrong side

[obtuse hearth]

is there a stinger bigger than the elite gas stinger? 😭 i found a giant one in a cave and it looked like 3x bigger than it

[river ingot]

Nah think that's the biggest

[untold moat]

MM/DD/YYYY is best for speaking
DD/MM/YYYY is best for typing/paperwork
YYYY/MM/DD is best for coding

and don't get me started on timezones (im MST-AZ, so DST is always a fun 'switch' in the year.

[hard wolf]

also, lets be real here, unless you have a metric (the better unit of measurement) fuckton of money, the dysfunctional states fucking sucks (speaking as an american)

anyways I have to figure out how to split 14 nitro rocket fuel blenders (all OC'd except for 2) across 8 pipes and it is pain xwx

[slender oxide]

i finally got coal power :D

[leaden matrix]

Easily the best feeling in satisfactory 🥹

[slender oxide]

probably. i dont have to keep looking for leaves and trees now

[hard wolf]

the game really opens up once you don't have to micromanage biomass

[slender oxide]

but i need to have 2 coal generators to make up for the eventual absence of the biomass

[leaden matrix]

The jump from manual power to automatic at the start feels better than the jump from any power to any other power

[quartz scroll]

youll need a lot more than that pal

[slender oxide]

i know but for now

is coal power the last part of power?

[quartz scroll]

no

[slender oxide]

or do you unlock better power sources./

[quartz scroll]

but youll have it for a little while

[leaden matrix]

New sources

[ornate saffron]

there is many power sources

[untold moat]

the current reason is its too expensive to stop using and teaching imperial.

[untold moat]

reduce the clock speed on enough so you get two more blenders required and do 2 per pipe.

[hard wolf]

8 generators + 3 water extractors is a good goal, though I like to start with 16 + 6

[slender oxide]

oh okay

well i have only found 1 water source so far

[leaden matrix]

Though later power sources dont feel like "this is objectively better than this"
And more like
"I prefer this :D"

Coal and bio are the only ones really at the bottom of the chain

[untold moat]

I would also recommend this

[slender oxide]

and its a very tiny water source

[ornate saffron]

i usually end up with 32 coal generators by the time i hit the next power source

[slender oxide]

jesus chrisst

[hard wolf]

build around the central lake

[untold moat]

honestly once you hit fuel stage, that literally is it. Diluted Fuel can provide you enough power to make it to end game, so anything else is up to personal taste.

[untold moat]

where did you spawn at?

[untold moat]

you think 32 of them is a large number? bless your heart...

[slender oxide]

it only fits one water pump

[leaden matrix]

I think i have like 50 just buring byproduct rn 💔

[slender oxide]

i come from DSP, im used to coal power being kinda good

[hard wolf]

can you post a screenshot of your location on the map in #screenshots ?

[little cobalt]

32 is a lot of coal power tbh

[quartz scroll]

ah hell nah bro|| nuclear is in no way preferable to oil power that shit really is just better.||

[slender oxide]

how do i take a screenshot of the map?

[little cobalt]

i rarely need more than 16 to get to the next phase personally

[untold moat]

ah, fair enough

[quartz scroll]

i only needed 20

[hard wolf]

I like sharex

[untold moat]

ill ping you in #math-and-meta with my current end game power plans

[leaden matrix]

||I LOVE NUCLEAR RAHHHHHHH||

[hard wolf]

but then what are you going to do with uranium other than make and sink a gazillion nuke nobelisks?

[quartz scroll]

||hell nah f that nuclear sucks butt, too many complex parts imo||

[hard wolf]

nuclear reactors go brrr :3

[quartz scroll]

yeah they are way better but like

[untold moat]

<laughs in || Rocket Fuel Power||>

[quartz scroll]

too many parts to make hurts my head

[leaden matrix]

"Oh no my steak is too juicy, my lobster is too buttery"

[hard wolf]

I haven't even built nuclear yet but I have enough experience with the complexity of this game that it makes it fun

[quartz scroll]

god i havent even beaten phase 4 before cant wait for the hell of phase 5

[hard wolf]

I've already mostly worked it out in modeler

[quartz scroll]

yeah bro but i mean i feel like it sway diffrent in game to do it

[quartz scroll]

no bruh my steak has too many odd flavors and there is no lobster

[slender oxide]

huh

[little cobalt]

RF is much easier with one of the alts you get with blenders, i'd wait until then if you're a hard drive hunter type. but it's super good and super simple

the hard part is blueprinting the gajillion fuel gens

[leaden matrix]

The lobster is plutonium 🥹

[quartz scroll]

i already got all the hard drives i think tbh

[leaden matrix]

I cant wait for daisy chaining omfg

[hard wolf]

I wanna make a big phase 5 factory, and I did for phase 3, but I kind of just belted the phase 3 factory stockpiles and a bunch of containers into machines making phase 4 parts and hand fed it from my depots

[quartz scroll]

forgot about that

[cold berry]

Right now I'm using the Rocky desert and the forest, and I kinda like the vibe of those two places the most, so I'm thinking of making that my main area. Theming my shit around it

[quartz scroll]

shit bro now i gotta do that 🙁

[quartz scroll]

i just hand feed all the space elevator parts since i dont need them for anything else rn

[velvet onyx]

dont curse my aunts step cousin is in here

[untold moat]

talking about the HOR>DF>NRF chain?

[quartz scroll]

sorry bro i wont fucking curse again

[hard wolf]

my factory is currently feeding the phase 3 parts into awesome sinks, if they aren't already stockpiled

[cold berry]

I've got an "all basic iron" factory that makes screws, plates, rods, reinforced plates, rotors and modular frames and an "all basic copper" with sheets, wire and cable at a decent speed for all. I'm going to slap overclock and DD's on them to make them my first DD's I got without cheating (doing a zero cheats run because honestly I haven't not given myself a little boost yet lol)

The overclock is waiting not just for more slugs, but for mk 3 belts

And miner mk2

[little cobalt]

i like to do concrete and steel beams as my very first DDs

[quartz scroll]

oh lol

i just dont make those parts unless i need em

and if i do ill make them the exact amount i need

[cold berry]

They're good ass sink parts tho

I will say, if you do make them

[quartz scroll]

no point in making parts that get used minimally to not at all tho yk, feels like wasted time i could use to make a massive factory automating a load of stuff

[little cobalt]

most of the parts get reused later to some extent so it's nice to automate a box and forget but nbd either way

[quartz scroll]

yeah idk i havent even done the first items of phase 4 yet tho so im a bit scared cus idk what it takes to make them

[ancient island]

trying to make noodle better and make buildings for factory’s I f you want to help drop a dm or @ me im tryin to fix my factory and genuinely need a helping hand. If anyone wants to help id much appreciate it !!

[quartz scroll]

if your looking for people make a post in #1201555265942724758

[slender oxide]

my bad im getting the stuff to research the map

[quartz scroll]

or #1038092680493801533 idk where your problem would fit imo

[ancient island]

Eh tired of posting stuff in there no one ever helps gets annoying just generally need help fixing my stuff and understanding stuff and I have no help lol

[hard wolf]

you could probably find a larger body of water nearby and belt the coal over to that

[slender oxide]

done

[vague briar]

yall think i should make a new save?

[ornate saffron]

naw./ lots of resources just build more elsewhere

[vague briar]

true 🤔

[slender oxide]

and i found a body of water nearby now

so yeah :/

[leaden matrix]

Maybe when 1.2 comes out, a randomized save sounds fun :>

[sick falcon]

which starting location should i pick

[hard wolf]

northern forest

[sick falcon]

did that last time

[hard wolf]

the swamp, then

[sick falcon]

beefalos already doing that

[hard wolf]

the red bamboo fields

[sick falcon]

now theres an idea

[hard wolf]

@ornate saffron also, that's pretty based :3

did you encounter that rock with like 5-6 large spiders? and if so, how did you deal with it that early? (if at all)

[hard wolf]

I could've said red forest, but that felt too easy

[sick falcon]

wow there are 0 resources in red bamboo fields

i wish the shattered cliffs area in the top middle of the map had any resource nodes its cool but theres 0 reason to build anything there

[hard wolf]

it's not empty. it's blank :3

it has coal and bauxite, at the very least

[sick falcon]

🔥 🖊️

[dim sentinel]

im planning my factory right now and should i make motors or just rotors and stators?

[ivory condor]

Everything

[hard wolf]

find a SAM node and some mercer spheres, research depots, find caterium and research smart splitters (if you can), and set it up so that there are smart splitters set to overflow on the rotor and motor inputs to your motor production line that output to industrial containers and depots so that they fill up once your motor buffer and depot are full. if it's too early for smart splitters you can use normal splitters but understand that you won't reach full motor production until your depot's are full. also stators aren't really useful in the depot unless you need to hand feed something or 1.2 drops because they're used to make fluid truck stations

[ivory condor]

Basic rule of this game, automate any and all things as much as possible

[hard wolf]

also that

[dim sentinel]

im gonna have a stroke trying to understand this

ive got dimensional depot unlocked

i just cant make it yet

[ivory condor]

You think thats bad, im currently doing a sam only play through

My brain felt like it was starting to melt even making it to oil

[hard wolf]

@ivory condor does that message make sense to you or did I word it poorly?

[dim sentinel]

i got confused at the buffer part

[ivory condor]

Which one?

[hard wolf]

the paragraph

[ivory condor]

Its worded fine

[hard wolf]

a buffer is a container before the depot. if you empty a depot it'll refill from that, and it gives your factory more space to fill. it also means less downtime when you need motors and rotors

[hard wolf]

cool :3

[sick falcon]

add crystal oscillators to double your motor output

[ivory condor]

But keep in mind im experienced in the game, so perhaps less experienced players might be confused somehow

[hard wolf]

a buffer is kind of a large container before anything. that's why fluid buffers are fluid buffers.

it guarantees max output into a machine or depot once it becomes active after a period of inactivity

[dim sentinel]

my brain is somehow not understand what a buffer is. i get that i put it before a process but like how does it work?

[hard wolf]

it holds a bunch of stuff until it's needed

[dim sentinel]

so where would i put it and would i put stuff in myself or?

[little cobalt]

constructor > buffer > constructor for a simple example

you don't load it by hand

[hard wolf]

if your depot uploads at 60/m, and you have a full buffer in front of it, the buffer guaranteed to start uploading again at 60 per minute as soon as you empty it

[little cobalt]

oh sorry i misunderstood how meli was using it. same idea though

[hard wolf]

I was also trying to explain that but I think you did it better xwx

[dim sentinel]

ok so i understand where i put the buffer but like how does the buffer solve the issue of item flow? like where is it getting the items?

[little cobalt]

it just adds wiggle room

like the process between iron ore > iron ingot > rod > screws is lossy before you have splitters. you can add storage buffers between the steps that have inequal in/out and accumulate resources to pluck at your will

[dim sentinel]

OOHH

I UNDERSTAND

[ivory condor]

Its not solving that problem, you still need to be producing enough, but it does give you a place to hold excess

[dim sentinel]

so its like you make rotors and have them go into a storage container before going to an assembler to make motors so if you need rotors you can grab them from the storage? is that how it works

[ivory condor]

And as you progress you'll need those parts, ideal is ISC to depot

Because the depot can only hold so much, and the isc allows for more easily filling the depot

[dim sentinel]

what is an ISC?

[little cobalt]

in the case of motors, even if you make it perfectly ratioed eventually you will have a full box of them (ignoring sink) - then you get rotors and stators filling the buffer without any action needed from you

[little cobalt]

double box - industrial storage container

[dim sentinel]

ok

should i use the rigor motor recipe or regular rotor recipe

[earnest condor]

Regular is 2 Rotor + 2 Stator = 1
Rigour is 3 Rotor + 3 Stator + 1 Oscillator = 6

So, whichever you, personally feel is better for your situation.

[dim sentinel]

i dont need motors right now so ill do regular ones

[earnest condor]

👍

[dusky relic]

I think I just screwed myself over so hard

[earnest condor]

Looking at your situation and deciding what is best for you, personally, in that context is the uncontested best way to play the game.

[hard wolf]

rigor is ridiculously efficient and you get to overflow oscillators

[earnest condor]

Electric Motor is my personal favorite tbh.

Then again, purely from the iron in the middle of the NF, you can pump out about 150 Motor/min 😂

[dim sentinel]

i have too many iron pipes bro

[earnest condor]

Rods?

[hollow mountain]

if i started in the rocky desert i should use the island for fuel generator right?

[dim sentinel]

i meant steel pipes

[earnest condor]

How does one ever have "too many" of anything?

Excess goes to Sink.

[dim sentinel]

i mean true but i think 34k is overboard right now

[earnest condor]

That is the simplest path, yes.

[hollow mountain]

what about aluminum?

[earnest condor]

So sink them down to the number you want?

[hard wolf]

it's not difficult to balance these pipes because it's difficult. it's difficult because I have to figure out how to work within the space I've given myself xwx (I'm figuring it out) #screenshots message

[earnest condor]

There's a node up on the rock between you and the oil that you can just bring down.

Pure node, even.

[hollow mountain]

oh yeah i guess i need the alt recipe to remove quartz

[earnest condor]

Most people don't set up aluminium until they have the alts tbh.

[hollow mountain]

dont you need it for blender?

[hard wolf]

pure aluminum ingot?

[earnest condor]

You do, but you can just scan your drives while building pretending you have the alts and just wait until you actually do.

Pure Ingot is baseline.
Can make easier by getting Sloppy + Electrode.

[hollow mountain]

oh fair

[earnest condor]

And there's new fun water options in 1.2 😁

[hollow mountain]

i only have 1700mw i really need a new power plant

[hard wolf]

fun fact: you can plop down a mam anywhere, start a scan, and deconstruct it immediately and just place another when the scan is done

[earnest condor]

My good sir.

[hard wolf]

how do you live like that? 😩

[earnest condor]

A "normal" coal plant in Phase 2 is 3.6 GW.
How do you have only 1.7?

[proven folio]

should i start doing nuclear before particle accel?

[earnest condor]

No.

[hollow mountain]

"normal" i only have 16 generator

[earnest condor]

Yeah that is... rare

[hard wolf]

tbh rush synthetic power shards, ficsite trigons, and time crystals first

[hollow mountain]

there's a bunch of normal coal node east of rocky desert i guess i can just build there

[earnest condor]

Coal progression is almost always:
First setup of 8 gens to just get it working.
Unlock mk3 belt.
Rebuild it to handle what mk3's can do.
^ RD that's the 3 pures, so 3.6 GW if you pull 240 from each.
GF rebuild is like 5.4 iirc.

[hard wolf]

also build either a diluted fuel or rocket fuel power plant before getting into nuclear

[earnest condor]

Why talk about Phase 5 stuff when they are in Phase 4? 😭

How they supposed to rush that? 😭

[hard wolf]

I don't know what phase they're in xwx also that's how I'm doing it

[earnest condor]

They declared they don't even have the Accel unlocked.
That's P4.

[hollow mountain]

im barely in phase 4 i just started

i just found the 3 coal node you were talking about

i guess ill go build there

[earnest condor]

I cri.

[hard wolf]

are we both talking about dom? because I feel like that still answers his question

[hollow mountain]

OHHHH. i thought it was me mb nvm

[earnest condor]

Dom said they don't have the Accelerator and meli's reply was "go finish Phase 5" so I was confused.

[proven folio]

im in phase 4

[earnest condor]

Because that's way ahead of where they are.

But I am off to sleep. Ciao.

[dim sentinel]

should i split the stators that go into the motors into an assembler that makes automated wiring?

[dense violet]

if you need auto wiring, sure?

[dim sentinel]

im on phase 1 right now

no i need to complete phase 2

[sand vine]

there is a monster in the ground so i cant put a miner on the coal node, what should i do???

[dense violet]

if you sent up your first elevator shipment you're in phase 2, when you send the 2nd elevator shipment, phase 2 is complete

[dense violet]

kill it?

[dim sentinel]

im in phase 2 then yeah

[sand vine]

yea, how?

[proven folio]

bombs

[cursive topaz]

What is silica used in, and do I need to make a scale factory

[dense violet]

you land on the planet with a poking stick. Poke it

[leaden matrix]

Yooo I just hit 22 Crystal Oscillators per minute :D

[sand vine]

i dont think you understand, the creature is under the node

[hard wolf]

I didn't mess with accelerators until I could make synthetic power shards and haven't touched nuclear because my turbofuel plant held up until I started making trigons, power shards, and time crystals (I was able to fill containers before my grid deadlocked). if you really wanna build nuclear I would suggest waiting until you can make and sink plutonium fuel rods

[dense violet]

can you see it?

[sand vine]

nope

[dense violet]

then just build on top

[sand vine]

the game physically wont let me

[proven folio]

how can i make a turbofuel plant without tripping the power cuz my packaged fuel is the only thing keeping it going

[sand vine]

its like its close enough to the surface to interfere with the hitbox

[slender oxide]

are truck stations good?

[sand vine]

im just gonna use another one, cause this is weird

[proven folio]

a good replacement before trains and drones

[dense violet]

walk away and come back , it'll respawsn

[sand vine]

fair point, thank you

[hard wolf]

mine is on base recipes. I would suggest building out your coal power a bit. also, you can build out all of the infrastructure for your plant without hooking up all of the machines to power. also also, the blue crater (bottom right ish area of the map) is really good for fuel plants

[leaden matrix]

Can't wait to start making use of them in 1.2🥹
They'll finely be sorta worth it

[hard wolf]

but I have 180 fuel generators being fueled by my turbofuel plant and (it's kinda messed up because fluids) am getting 34 to 35 megawatts

[hard wolf]

use satisfactory modeler (free on steam) and work with the numbers so you know your plant can handle everything

[worn oar]

I can't believe how annoying it is to listen to kibitz

[dense violet]

try using some power storage to charge up and kick start your new power grid
A plan for it https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=qsh5PaS62nLceAwfovkm

[glacial totem]

I have just unlocked hypertubes

is there an exit piece or do you just go flying out the end?

[dense violet]

exit and entrance is the same piece

they are bi directional

[glacial totem]

Ok. So just bookend two entrance pieces?

[dense violet]

yup

[glacial totem]

ok thanks

[dense violet]

I think technically you could have an end w/o the 'entrance' piece and just fly out, but then yo ucan't use it the other way

[glacial totem]

I can't wait

[ornate saffron]

What is "based" and I play on defensive or passive mode. Ill play soulsborne something designed around combat if I want combate

[hard wolf]

slang for very cool and good. kind of like goated

[lofty juniper]

should i keep the resource node purity on my run defualt i have all the cost multipliers set to max

[worn oar]

Make them pure unless you hate yourself

[lofty juniper]

ok

will it still be difficult you think

[dense violet]

pure nodes don't make much a difference until you unlock mk6 belts

[lofty juniper]

ok

[lofty juniper]

thank you

[dense violet]

and honestly the cost multipliers can make things basically unplayable

for example x5 power cost means you barely make positive output on generators

[sick falcon]

generators have a power cost?

[dense violet]

all the processes to make the fuel do

[sick falcon]

underclock

[dense violet]

doesn't help that much and you then have a power station the size of a biome

[hard wolf]

hard disagree. a mk1 miner on a pure node is still 60 vs 15 on an impure

[dense violet]

I've had an 80gw fuel station that needed 15gw to run
at 5x power cost that means it would have needed 75gw to produce 80gw

you can 'hard disagree' as much as you like, but with over clocking, 90% of the time until you hit mk6 belts you are limited by your belt speed

[whole citrus]

Im facing this exact same dilemma right now lol, 80GW plant and everything

[dense violet]

yeah it's a silly option honestly. I don't see what it adds to the game

[lofty juniper]

so should i do like 3x power consumption

[dense violet]

even that is pretty painful, but at least it doesnt make your power stations almost meaningless

personally I don't find the power cost thing interesting, but you do you

[lofty juniper]

nvm you can only do 2 i might just run with that

[dense violet]

I can understand PART cost multiplier a little bit more

[dense violet]

sorry?

[lofty juniper]

sorry its late im really tired lol

[dense violet]

no stress xD
just remember that the part multiplier really hits with the more steps you do - so you won't get nearly as much power out of a full nuclear build for example

[lofty juniper]

ok thanks

[slender oxide]

oh okey

thank you

[hasty frigate]

vanilla power requirements are so trivial, just ONE oil node can power an endgame setup. The power cost multipliers reintroduce power as a RESOURCE -consideration is needed to run swaths of overclocked machines. 5x power sees the player cycling what their current production goals are (to stay within available power)

[dense violet]

that goes completely against automating everything

[hasty frigate]

negative

[dense violet]

which is the idea of the game. constant production lines

Positive.
I can also say words

[stone python]

what are words

[hasty frigate]

in your opinion

[dim sentinel]

satisfactory moddeler is telling me to split uneven numbers like 18 and 130 should i just not worry about it or?

[dense violet]

if you need 18 one way and 130 another , what is the issue?

[rich parrot]

I am planning on starting the next run with 2x power, 2x recipes, random nodes, all impure. It might be a bit painful on everything that needs gas though...

[dim sentinel]

i dont know how to split unevenly

[dense violet]

make a group of machiens that make 18 and another 130

or just make a manifold and let it self balance

[dim sentinel]

guess ill just manifold it

[dense violet]

like the 30 and 90 going 2 ways here https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ZuGpi8TusFrxs6ZG53qP

[peak rune]

is there any ETA on fluids getting fixed

[dense violet]

considering there's nothing broken, no

[dim sentinel]

i clicked on the link and it just shows how to get 60 cables a minute

[dense violet]

I linked you a reinforced plate one, look at the right most tab

it remembers your past plans

[dim sentinel]

i see

[dense violet]

if you click on a shared link it'll be the most right tab 🙂

but yeah was just pointing out that the first branch on that plan splits 120 into 30 and 90
as an option you can make 1 group of machine make 30, and send it on it's own belt

and merge 90 on a different belt

[dense violet]

clocking and selectively merging machines is the main tool of the game ot manage logistics.

solves most problems before they are problems

[dim sentinel]

so how would i split 4 overclocked foundries into 30 and 452? cause thats what it is telling me to do

[dense violet]

you would not have 4 over clocked foundries

you'd have probably 1 foundry make 30, and the rest make 422

what is your final output youre making?

[dim sentinel]

im kinda making a bunch of stuff at once like motors and encased beams but maybe it would be easier to have modular factories around the map instead of having just one huge megafactory cause im not that good at building stuff yet

[dense violet]

yeah I'd use tools and just look at the total clocking you need instead, then make choices how to split it up to what is convenient

[dim sentinel]

i was making multiple stuff at once but because im not that good yet ill just make modular factories for like 1 or 2 different outputs in different areas.

[dense violet]

it's generally simpler if you make factories with 1 output when you're less experienced I think. Easier to practice layouts

[dim sentinel]

okay then ill start with the motor factory

[cunning sinew]

i LOVE this game

[faint willow]

I've noticed that I have an issue with lingering way too long on one thing, taking my time rather than branching out where it's necessary. Like I've been hyperfixated on making multiple smaller buildings for condensing iron mining, smelting, and now I've got the rods, plates, screws, and rotors automated... and yet I still haven't gotten coal power.

Kinda talking out loud, not any reason in particular. Just griping on myself.

[cunning sinew]

i'm having a bit of trouble with organizations, i have machines and conveyor belts everywhere, at some point does it become more natural to have everything organized and geometric or does it always stay messy outside of buildings?

[faint willow]

Might just be the fact that I'm more aesthetics-focused over practicality-focused, I like things looking cool.

[dense violet]

treat the milestones like a tutorial. You learn how to manage layouts and things as you go

[cunning sinew]

beautifull tysm

[dense violet]

the game is much more like Minecraft than other factory games
you never run out of resources and after the phases you basically ahve a sandbox to do your own projects

[cunning sinew]

that's so sick i already automatized a bunch of stuff and i made a crafter assembly system where i just have to connect it to one of my storage boxes and i can craft anything in mass

[cunning sinew]

btw it says i should use conveyors 2 for building to building transportation, so i'm guessing i shouldnt use it across my farms?

[dense violet]

not sure what you mean, use whatever belts you need

generally it's easier to just use your fastest belt everywhere

[cunning sinew]

awesome

[dense violet]

that way you don't accidentally place down too slow a belt

[cunning sinew]

will it mess with the production rates / energy consumption?

[dense violet]

belts do not consume power

[cunning sinew]

awesome

so i could automatize reinforced plates and turn all the conveyor belts into the upgraded version without any negative side effect?

[dense violet]

yup

[cunning sinew]

SICK

[dense violet]

basically any part that milestones ask for ? automate. You'll need them further along

[cunning sinew]

mmmm how many biofel burners do you have in your base

cause if i were to automate everything everything i would need so much machinery

rn i have 3 and there's solid biofuel being delievered to each

[dense violet]

usually 12 or so?

[cunning sinew]

damn

[dense violet]

hand mash leaves into bio mass
have a constructor make solid biomass

[cunning sinew]

yeah i'm doing that with wood

its kinda annoying i cant put both leaves and wood in the storage box and they turn into solid biomass

maybe i could do that with 4 crafters

[signal flicker]

they should let you do that regardless , you dont need 4 crafters just for that

[cunning sinew]

but the crafter says leaves biomass - solid biomass or wood biomass - solid biomass

u think it automatically takes both? i didnt wanna risk it cause if my generators die the whole factory stops

[signal flicker]

i know im saying they should do a QOL for that

[cunning sinew]

ohhh yeah

i have so many wire

[signal flicker]

just sounds inconvivent for it to not convert both since they both already convert to the same thing but i doubt anything will happen since after biomass you wont need it again, better power sources

[dense violet]

you can do that with smart splitters already

[signal flicker]

sure but the point is you shouldnt need to do that

[dense violet]

literally different recipes, of course you should

machines don't have extra input buffers

you'd need multiple inputs on a constructor as well

[signal flicker]

i dont think you understand but sure

[cunning sinew]

this game itches my brain so well

[signal flicker]

good for you bud

[dense violet]

I don't think you understand constructors don't have 3 input slots

[signal flicker]

never said take both at the same time, it appears you cant understand the topic 💀

[dense violet]

then you can post how it would accept multiple inputs w/o getting clogged

or that no other system in the game have machines automatically swapping recipes

[cunning sinew]

mmmm smart thingies you mentioned are tier 3?

[dense violet]

they are in the MAM , you can unlock them very early.

under caterium I think

[reef basin]

Then what do you want it to do if not accept ingredients for multiple recipes?

[cunning sinew]

AWESOME ty

boy am i enjoying this game

[dense violet]

what you'd probably be looking at in this sort of situation is to have 1 container that you can just dump EVERYTHING in, then a smart splitter that leads to their own buffers that then feed their own constructors

though bio burners are basically pre tutorial stuff, you don't really stay on them long

[cunning sinew]

that's beautifull you think it can even handle an auto sorting storage system?

[dense violet]

but that's basically how you would set up any sorter later in game

yeah that's basically how they work 🙂

[signal flicker]

they both give the same product at the end, and i doubt anyone after of playing still uses solid biomass considering theres better sources right after, if you can make fuel you dont need biomass, not sure why a change to get a QOL is such a sin

[dense violet]

you still haven't explained how it would work w/o getting clogged or how it would swap recipes automatically. A mechanic that just doesn't exist in game

[signal flicker]

make it for just biomass that it can take both ?

[dense violet]

so multimple inputs?

because things will get clogged.

auto recipe swaping is just not a thing. Why make a pret tutorial mechanic be that way? it's nonsense

[signal flicker]

sure bud 🍪

[dense violet]

if you don't want multiple constructors just use leaves

or suck it up and have multiple constructors

[cunning sinew]

i'm about to unlock jump pads, is there any cool strategy?

[west jackal]

no. i cant remember last time i built any of them

[cunning sinew]

mk

[west jackal]

not that you cant, but they arent really my style

[dense violet]

nah, kinda gimickey.
SADLY they have murdered vehicles being able to use jump pads on auto paths

might have to see if I can get a mod that reverts trucks to pre 1.2

[cunning sinew]

50 rotos was so slow

[hard wolf]

get hypertubes asap and build hypertube cannons (make sure you have at least a parachute, though a jetpack is ideal). 14 entrances is a solid number

[west jackal]

huh

[hard wolf]

sorry

responded to the wrong person

[west jackal]

lol np

[cunning sinew]

i have no idea what either of those are but sounds super exciting

are they mam or hub

[west jackal]

hypertube is hub

[hard wolf]

hub. I'll look quick

[west jackal]

parachute is mam (mycelia)

[hard wolf]

hypertubes are tier 4, phase 2. also if you parachute into an incline you'll gain height

so parachutes are really good

[west jackal]

i also havent made parachutes in like 5 years lol

[hard wolf]

not as good as jetpacks, but definitely good until then

[west jackal]

they used to not be reusable, so i didnt ever make them, now they are aparently reusable so would be worth getting

[hard wolf]

I've been playing since update 5 or 6 (not sure, but on and off and definitely before it was available on steam, so I've bought it twice), and I completed phase 4 for the first time a week or two ago 😩

it's so nice I bought it twice

[cunning sinew]

ok so turns out i completed all of tier 2 but tier 3 is still locked, where did i go wrong?

[hard wolf]

tier 3 is in phase 2. you have to put 50 smart plating in the space elevator and send it up first

[cunning sinew]

oh.. i gotta build it

good thing i have so much wire

[hard wolf]

50 smart plating is 50 reinforced iron plates and 50 rotors in an assembler. you can definitely hand feed that if you'd like

[cunning sinew]

50 ROTOS AGAIN??

[hard wolf]

dimensional depots :3

[cunning sinew]

might need to make all my iron farms make rods

i have thousands of iron plates

[dense violet]

better automate them

[cunning sinew]

true i feel like my factory is too messy now i have barely any space

i just cant tell how many machines a generator can handle

and i dont want fuel to die instantly

so for example when i make iron plates i wanna send 50% of that to my storage and the other half to an assembler

and i would calibrate it accordingly to my needs

[dense violet]

most people tend to rip everythign up after they have automated power after finishing phase 1

[cunning sinew]

mmmm i guess i can do that

so i send the stuff to the elevator and then i rework it or should i do it now

[reef basin]

Biomass is useful across entire game

[cunning sinew]

the elevator is HUGE

[dense violet]

after coal is generally easiest

[reef basin]

And as was said, machine cannot accept multiple inputs

[cunning sinew]

THE ELEVATOR IS SO COOL

[cunning sinew]

oh finaly we get coal, is coal infinite?

like iron for example

[dense violet]

all nodes are infinite

[reef basin]

Almost everything is infinite in this game

[cunning sinew]

beautifull i can finaly automate it and not have to destroy trees

[dense violet]

you can always just collect leaves too

[sterile blade]

#satisfactory-memes message

[dense violet]

never knock down trees

[cunning sinew]

oh hell yeah lore, we destroyed heart so now i destroy this planet as well

[cunning sinew]

true wood just felt like it was more efficent

[rich parrot]

Animal remains can be processed to fuel as well.

Those respawn.

[cunning sinew]

AHAHAHAHAH

[cunning sinew]

i keep dying cause i cant tell big hogs from normal hogs 💔 i'm skill issue

[dense violet]

sprinting and auto punching leaves is faster 🙂 and yo uget a bit of wood doing it too

[cunning sinew]

well now i will definitely go for coal, automate it and then i tear down my factory

oh jesus i need rotos for smart plating yea i gotta automate that asap

[sterile blade]

It's not a bad idea to have everything automated, even if at little output/min

[ivory hemlock]

You could also do what I did and just make your stuff elsewhere (would not reccomend was working on a worldwide train network and found out I was running off an impure limestone node for all my concrete I was using for my dimensional depots so I had to upgrade it a bit)

[cunning sinew]

wait what went wrong with the limestone

mine is impure too is that bad

[ivory hemlock]

The blueprint I designed takes at least 200 concrete per support, I was running out of concrete

[hard wolf]

I kept adding on to my spaghetti factory up until after motors iirc. after that definitely build something more permanent elsewhere

[cunning sinew]

so if its not impure it leads to more limestone mined right?

[ivory hemlock]

I got by fine until I upgraded it today because I didn't want to wait you can live off it for a bit (I finished fuel power a few days ago, that one node lasted me about 90ish hours of gameplay)

[cunning sinew]

ohh

[ivory hemlock]

Correct

It just meant I sometimes waited longer than I'd want to for concrete

[cunning sinew]

i tought the difference was ground - impure - rocky formation on top - pure

[hard wolf]

a mk1 miner does 15 on an impure node, 30 on normal, and 60 on pure

[cunning sinew]

ooo so i'm definitely gonna have to move to an area with more pure minerals right

or i guess at some point i have miners scattered across the whole map and everything leads to my storage

[ivory hemlock]

Sometimes you'll just have to work with impure nodes. That's where overclocking comes in

[hard wolf]

buffer it. 8 industrial storage containers feeding into 8 depot's is a lot.

[reef basin]

Twice that much afaik

[slender oxide]

how do i get off a tractor. im on pc

[reef basin]

Eh, purity of nodes is rarely a concern

[ivory hemlock]

This is true

[slender oxide]

nvm

[ivory hemlock]

That's a later me problem. As I said my first 90ish hours of concrete relied solely off that one impure node I set up at the start of the game. All the important concrete stuff had its own supply that was just my personal bit

[hard wolf]

I read the number for a miner running at 50% on SCIM by mistake :/

[cunning sinew]

i'm so impressed by how well the game runs

[hard wolf]

also the difference between a pure node and an impure node is huge in the early game

[ivory hemlock]

You can thank let's game it out for that

[reef basin]

You are limited by belts tho

[ivory hemlock]

He pushed the game so far the devs wanted his save for optimization

[reef basin]

Wasn't the only one

[ivory hemlock]

True but he's the one I can think of off the top of my head

[cunning sinew]

i remember i bought the game in like 2020? i'm not sure cause of an italian youtuber

i've NEVER played it till now 😭

bought it - crashed - gave up

cool thing is i have a golden helmet now tho

[hard wolf]

which can be unlocked almost immediately in tier 2 if you grind crash sites a bit

[reef basin]

Like 10s of people from thia discord 😛

[cunning sinew]

crash sites??

[ivory hemlock]

I see

[reef basin]

But mk2 can only do 120

[ivory hemlock]

The orange boxes you get hard drives from

[cunning sinew]

hard drives? i'm still too far behind i think

[glacial totem]

I want to make a gas mask but it's locked behind crude oil.. what tier does that become available?

[ivory hemlock]

I'd highly recommend searching for them. Alternate recepies are a game changer

[hard wolf]

which is perfect if you haven't unlocked miner mk2's yet

[indigo geyser]

tier 5

[cunning sinew]

do they already spawn in tier 2?

[reef basin]

Pure mk1 is up to 300

[dense violet]

they are on the map at the start

[cunning sinew]

oh imma explore then

[hard wolf]

if you have a bunch of power shards

[reef basin]

Which you should

[cunning sinew]

watch me die by a big hog again

[ivory hemlock]

They are on fixed points on the map. They are always there

[glacial totem]

and also is it a fool's errand to place a mk2 miner on an impure node

[dense violet]

yeah I don't think they understand how easy it is to over clock miners

[cunning sinew]

ohh lets see if i can find them all, how many are there

[hard wolf]

unless I think slugs are adorable and want to save them at all costs, which is part of why I've rushed synthetic power shards

[dense violet]

no? you get more resources

it's not liek you're limited in how many mk2 miners you get

[ivory hemlock]

No. It's always worth it to get the extra resources

[indigo geyser]

theres no reason to upgrade the miner regardless of the node purity its sitting on lol

[glacial totem]

I assumed impure meant less ore/second

[cunning sinew]

guys there is a huge bird flower

[reef basin]

Only if you need them

[indigo geyser]

no reason to NOT upgrade the miner*

[cunning sinew]

he almost killed me with farts hell naw

[ivory hemlock]

I don't know off the top of my head but I belive more than there are alternate recepies in the game

[dense violet]

you still get more on a higher mk miner

[reef basin]

No reason to do so if you don't need extra

[glacial totem]

Ok. I like where the impure node is so I'll build there.

[hard wolf]

there is no reason to not maximize your output, regardless of the constraints you've place on yourself

[cunning sinew]

YOO LETS GO I FOUND MORE QUARTS

[dense violet]

just look at them as whatever number of ore they can output - just kinda wave off the 'purity'

[hard wolf]

more stuff to make more stuff is more stuff to make more stuff

[indigo geyser]

theres a giant cave in the rocky desert with 2 pure and 1 normal quartz node in it if youre hurting for that

[hard wolf]

it all adds up

[cunning sinew]

i found caderium i'm so aura

[reef basin]

If I need 150 iron, I'm getting 150 iron, no matter from which nodez and how many. No reason to lock onto pure only or to get more just because the node can do more

[glacial totem]

what tier do you start thinking about building vertically? Do you put like smelters and assemblers on top of each other? I'm doing everything sprawled out horizontally. I suppose it's working for me I just think it could be prettier

[hard wolf]

bladerunners asap will definitely help. you can research those in the mam under quartz

[ivory hemlock]

Those, the jetpack, and b-hopping are so nice

[indigo geyser]

you can also get a free pair of blade runners in the doggo cave by the beach on the far west side of the map

[ivory hemlock]

You move so fast

[dense violet]

I don't really build vertical manifolds. Easier to have horizontal. Make multiple floors as needed

[indigo geyser]

also another helmet and a music tape in there

[hard wolf]

slide jumping is the fastest form of movement after hypertube cannons and portals

[glacial totem]

cool ok thanks

[indigo geyser]

if you just hold down c and press space as soon as you hit the ground you get a slight speed boost every time

[hard wolf]

the jetpack can only maintain momentum, but it'll help you get past the parts of the ground you can't slide on

[ivory hemlock]

Yup, I'm too lazy to set up hypertube cannons so it is really nice. I'll get to them eventually I'm just focused on other things

[reef basin]

Trains

[indigo geyser]

it also has the side effect of never triggering any hatchers because youre always "sneaking" lol

[ivory hemlock]

Build up if you want to build up. Just go based on what you want to do

[rich parrot]

The crash site objects can be dismantled btw. You get some resources from them.

[cunning sinew]

NAHH I FOUND A PURPLE SPEAKING SPHERE LMAO

[cunning sinew]

still havent found one but ill'def do that

[ivory hemlock]

Hypertube canons are still faster I believe, and you sacrifice some maneuverability

[indigo geyser]

youll want more of those trust me lol

[hard wolf]

grab as many of those as you can

[ivory hemlock]

You'll want as many of those as you can find

[cunning sinew]

i just found one and there were like 7 spiders

[indigo geyser]

dimensional depot = inventory anywhere anytime

[cunning sinew]

but it seems really cool i also had a summerslop? i forgot the name earlier but the mam took it

[ivory hemlock]

Sounds about right

[meager fern]

also collect all of those

[cunning sinew]

well it speaks to me and there's aura around it, i want it

[indigo geyser]

sommersloops is really good too. you can double output on machines or get free power from them but theres only so many on the map

[ivory hemlock]

Doubling output also increases the power a lot

[reef basin]

I meant faster than jumping

[indigo geyser]

2x output 4x power iirc

[rich parrot]

Also, if you get tired of going back to collect your items from death crates over and over again, you can change in the game options to keep entire inventory on death 🙂

[indigo geyser]

all i know is a single manufacturer with sloops and max OC pulls something like almost 800MW of power lol

[ivory hemlock]

That also takes 4 if you want to double it

[indigo geyser]

i only really sloop machines that turn slugs into shards and early game dna capsules for those quick early game tickets

aside form that its always 10 power augmenters for me lol

[reef basin]

Meh

[ivory hemlock]

I got a lot of tickets from getting rid of a lot of the reanimated Sam I didn't need early game

[cunning sinew]

did that the second i joined the game LMAOO

[hard wolf]

an engine with no cargo is almost twice as fast as bladerunner + jetpack slide jumping, sure, but do you really want to set up a train line every time you want to go anywhere when you need to travel a long distance? especially when hypertubes are unlocked a whole phase earlier?

at that point you basically have to travel the entire distance anyway, unless you have a transcontinental loop already set up, but that only helps so much. a hypertube cannon is still set up and you can have a whole network of them set up before ever unlocking trains, and they're so much faster

[cursive crane]

Hypertubes are severely underrated by the community

[placid stirrup]

Have you never met a cannoneer?

[ivory hemlock]

It's not that I know they aren't powerful I'm just lazy

[cursive crane]

Having a semi automatic hypertube cannon network setup to travel anywhere is basically getting the ||teleporter|| like 5 tiers early for a lot cheaper

[placid stirrup]

This guy

[hard wolf]

skytube platform network :3

[reef basin]

Every place I could want to go is a factory and practically every factory is connected via trains. And I can go grab a drink while it's moving me

[placid stirrup]

I slapped mine into a BP when we unlocked them and that's the one we use in P5

[placid stirrup]

You move me, greeny

[hard wolf]

that's hellishly inefficient. you could be to your destination in at least a 1/10th of the time and sprint to get your drink afterwards

[cunning sinew]

cant wait to unlock coal

[ivory hemlock]

See, I'm too lazy to set up a blueprint for a constructor manifold, why would I set up one for a hypertube cannon. The only thing I have as a blueprint is train stuff because I'm not doing all that detailing 100 times over

[cunning sinew]

WE GET TRAINS???

[reef basin]

How is train inefficient if it's faster tthan running?

[hard wolf]

I'm talking about hypertube cannons

[ivory hemlock]

With a hypertube cannon you could get there quicker is what they are saying

[reef basin]

That's "bug abuse"

[hard wolf]

it's not a bug. it's a feature >w<

[placid stirrup]

I don't use constructor manifold BPs, and I use a cannon BP. It's about time saved and convenience

[leaden matrix]

"Bug abuse" and the devs clearly dont care in the slightest
Its the equivalent of like rocket riding

[placid stirrup]

I just remembered you can pulse jump

Why the heck am I not using that everywhere

[reef basin]

It was a bug. I'm still not using a thing that is in game just because people complained that their favorite OP bug is getting removed

[ivory hemlock]

That's fair, you bought the game play it how you want

[placid stirrup]

Don't be so elitist, you're just jealous we can make logistical oversights twice as fast as you

[river ingot]

I don't think they ever have planned to remove it
Pretty sure they have talked about it in announcement videos for updates

Its like bhopping, surfing or trimping in source games
Technically bugs and quirks of the engine but just became a unintended feature

[reef basin]

given that the only relevant logistics are item logistics and those cannot use hypertubes, I'm not jealous, as I'd rather optimise my travels than optimise travel time

[placid stirrup]

Didn't think I needed this, but
/s

[reef basin]

it was planned to be removed before the engine update

[reef basin]

this is one of the reasons why I kinda don't like the direction they took with 1.0+

[hard wolf]

are you like, anti fun and hapiness? :/

[leaden matrix]

It has zero effect on you
Its a fun mechanic which you DONT have to us

It fits the theme of the game
Its funny
The community likes it
And if you're too good to use it, YOU DONT HAVE TO

There is ZERO issues with it being in the game

[reef basin]

this is very much flawed argument

game balance should be made by the game, not by players

"don't use OP thing game has if you want balanced experience"

[reef basin]

no, the change in direction is "game got way easier" (and that's feedback by practically all beta testers, not just my opinion). Things were rebalanced, made easier, OP things added, ...

[ivory condor]

Technically your right, its not a bug, because the devs implemented, though its true in ue4 it was technically a bug

[viral moat]

How do I rotate a hypertube branch around the horizontal axis that runs straight through the tube.

[ivory condor]

Its one of these interesting cases of a bug, that became so wide spread used, that it became a feature of the game

[leaden matrix]

Tbh these days it only exists to make the game more enjoyable by getting rid of waits between the areas which most people would probably spend scrolling tiktok while they wait for their train to cross the map

[hard wolf]

movement is a small part of the game compared to building, balancing, and math

[river ingot]

For multiplayer games I would be more inclined to agree

[reef basin]

and they made bugs into well-crafted features before (see e.g. soft clearance). But for some reason decided that canons won't get that treatment

[reef basin]

it's a part of the game nonetheless

[reef basin]

for any game. Imagine you had a singleplayer game where point is to make cash by doing something, and first item you found could be sold for practically infinite amount of cash. And then community would told you "just don't sell it, that's a you issue"

[slender oxide]

how do i put fuel into a tractor that ran out of fuel, and is nowhere near a docking station?

[river ingot]

I think that's a bit of an extreme example
Your example it breaks the game entirely, it ruins the point of the game
Balancing is still important in single playing but something like cannons
Movement is not the core part of the game, its a side thing and to make a cannon you do have to think a little outside the box and its fun to fling yourself out of a cannon.

[leaden matrix]

Strawman of doom

[rich parrot]

Tractor inventory has a fuel slot.

[river ingot]

You can jump on the back

[river ingot]

I was thinking it sounded like a strawman but I don't wanna call it and it not be one

[normal orbit]

thats not even close to being same thing. For starters hypertube cannons are now an actual game feature, and they do not break game balance, they just allow you to move from A to B. They dont solve factory logistics or anything like it.

[reef basin]

yeah, it's a bit extreme, but it's to illustrate a point that balance matters even in singleplayer game

you can replace "infinite" with "any amount that's disproportionate to the phase you're in"

[ivory condor]

Treatment beyond it working more or less as it did in ue4. I'm not sure what players would want from a well-crafted feature such hypertube cannons, a single booster that operates like 10-20 boosters or something?

[reef basin]

see above, also they do break game balance, speficically movement balance

[ivory condor]

I mean I could guess, just not totally sure what well crafted hypertube cannon feature would look like beyond what was already implemented

[reef basin]

buildable booster similar to pipeline pumps that sets your speed higher + tubes not losing speed over time + exiting won't "spit" you out like it does

[leaden matrix]

Its comparing a small bug that people enjoy and makes up a very very small portion of the game to a bug that practically plays the main point of the game for you

His example is closer to like, a button that supplies the space elevator with parts for you instead of you making and feeding them

[reef basin]

again, read above

[hard wolf]

@reef basin I think you're holding yourself to a certain standard and are unhappy that others aren't also held to that standard by "game balance"

[slender oxide]

where?

[reef basin]

I liked balance we had, that balance was removed, I no longer like the "balance" 🤷

[slender oxide]

how do you get into the tractor inventory

[river ingot]

If you jump on the back you open the inventory

[slender oxide]

oh

the crafting bench

[river ingot]

Oh yeah that's right

[normal orbit]

they dont tho. they are now a game feature and part of the game "balance" thats just a self imposed balance viewpoint you have. and the argument to not use it if you dont like it is perfectly valid. I've played many games with exploits which actually break things, and guess what, i have the option to not use those if they dont make the game fun for me.

[hard wolf]

then play it whatever way you think is "correct," (which is subjective btw) and let other people have their fun

[reef basin]

I don't play the game anymore for that (and other) reasons

and I kinda feel like "fun OP features" should be something opt-in (e.g. mods), not part of basegame

[reef basin]

if they base entire game on having choices to do things, each with their advantages and disadvantages, and then halfway through they change it to "guess what, there's one OP option that outscales everything", then yeah, I'm gonna complain about balance

[ivory condor]

You probably won't be happy with 1.2, aka movement is broken even more, you can bunny hop and move faster on foot than a explorer, movement in 1.2 is very over powered

[rich parrot]

IMO devs are supposed to fix exploits when they are discovered and reported. Of course a percentage of playerbase is going to fall in love with an exploit, no matter what it is.

[ivory condor]

Infact I would argue in 1.2 atm movement balance doesnt exist

[reef basin]

see also - https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/455858725518049280/1073016288554799144, this is pretty old post of mine, but would be great thing to have

[dense violet]

Also the fact that people kept bitching until they reintroduced the exploit

[ivory condor]

its actually pretty crazy how fast you can move on foot in 1.2....

[abstract heron]

when did this chat become so popular?

[hard wolf]

I think we need an air vehicle that's at least faster than than ground movement, and maybe even as fast as hypertube cannons in short bursts with boosting. maybe a VTOL?

[normal orbit]

its a game, games are supposed to be fun and enjoyable to play. If a bug is something people like and enjoy turnign it into a feature is not a bad thing

[reef basin]

having it as a mod or opt-in feature is way better than breaking balance of basegame for the sake of the "want to have fun, not balanced experience" people

[normal orbit]

just cause something started as a bug doesnt mean it cannot become a feature

[leaden matrix]

I watched the trailer and I dont remember seeing a change to onfoot movement ;-;

Mind keying me in rq? ^^

[ivory condor]

well I would argue player movement in 1.2 mostly defeats the purpose of having a vehicle, its way to fast

[desert plover]

Well just don't use it then:P

[abstract heron]

UNLESS its game breaking or crashing right?

[reef basin]

yeah I heard about it, unfortunately

[ivory condor]

yeah movement in 1.2 is very broken....

[worn oar]

60 generators done, only 42 left whew

[reef basin]

I've already touched on this, and why this is a bad argument above

[normal orbit]

it IS an opt in feature. you have to actually build it and use it.

[reef basin]

it is not opt-in if it is in game 🤷

[hard wolf]

a game would be nothing without players. would it be smart of it's creators to not cater to the majority of the community?

[ivory condor]

it outright defeats the purpose of using vehicles, you can basically go anywhere faster on foot in 1.2 now....

[desert plover]

We have our opinion, pretty sure CSS is rather on our side too

[reef basin]

CSS is on your side because people cried when they removed that feature

[leaden matrix]

Vehicles have always been kinda useless because of how good bhopping with a jetpack is

[desert plover]

Most don't know about it, and those who know use it in specific ways

[desert plover]

Exactly. Subject closed lol

[worn oar]

If there were a way to charge hypertube entrances or better entrances that gave you more of a boost it wouldn't be any problem. Or if you could plant boosters into the sections as if it's a pipe junction, and power it to speed you up

[normal orbit]

yes cause css wants players to play their game

[dense violet]

you get a boost every segment iirc

[desert plover]

That could be neat, making the fast hypertubes "less janky"

[leaden matrix]

People cried because it makes the game more enjoyable and reduces the wait times between playing the game and traveling

[ivory condor]

Well its even more insane now

[worn oar]

But it can't boost you past the default speed which is like half the explorer speed

[dense violet]

depends on how you design things, but it takes like a minute or so to go to another biome, if that

[reef basin]

people also want flying vehicles, boats, depot downloaders, base defence, let's add all of that

and don't forget infinite sloops, infinite zoop, infinite depot size and upload speed, infinite inventory, ...

[rich parrot]

It can boost you to ridiculous speeds 😛

[dense violet]

yeah why creating infrastructure for transport and make it meaningful?

[desert plover]

Where infinity stones

*snaps

[worn oar]

No. The hypertube cannon boosts you to ridiculous speed. The segment from a hypertube support does not.

[hard wolf]

also, the things you're complaining about are only hurting you, and maybe a portion of the community who don't want the game to change. maybe they liked it the way it was? maybe they don't want new players to "have it easier"? a gaggle of curmudgeons, the lot of you. your distain for progress is frustrating to say the least

[rich parrot]

Oh, that. Sry, misread.

[reef basin]

yeah and instead of taking it as a challenge to optimise your travels (same kind of challenge as optimising your factory), they want OP one-time solution for everything

[normal orbit]

but they arent getting that now are they? cause it boils down to a majority vote. Hypertube cannons clearly didnt break the game enough to disallow them in the way a depot downloader would

[worn oar]

I'd like to see the ability to charge a hypertube entrance like it's an overclocked machine, increasing power draw for more of a speed boost.

[ivory condor]

well they gave player movement default overclocked in 1.2, does that count

[reef basin]

yes, I'm very much aware that 1.0 changed direction for the game to be way easier (as I already mentioned above) to appeal to more casual players, but unfortunately that made the game less appealing for factory players that liked the game for what it was. I'm not saying it was a bad decision from their side, I'm saying that I liked the way the game was before the change

[reef basin]

see above

[dense violet]

yeah 1.0 was basically just giving out half creative mode mechanics

[ivory condor]

that trend continued with 1.1 to

[reef basin]

(and I'd bet that many of the things I mentioned would pass through "majority vote" easily)

[leaden matrix]

Unless you use portals it doesnt matter how optimized your travel is, you could have a 1 one train somehow magically going downhill the whole way at max speed but still if you if you need to cross the map you have to stop playing the game, sit there and wait for the train to cross the map which is inherently unfun because the point of the game is to fucking play it.

People like hypertube cannons because they removed the wait, people prefer them over portals because loading screens do the same shit, no one wants to take a break in the game to get to the other part of the map

[desert plover]

I don't think it made the game easier. You can always opt / choose to play it however you like. Same applies for the advanced game settings

[ivory condor]

1.1 was the lets add more mods to the game update

[reef basin]

they changed game director after 0.8, I'm not sure if it's the reason for direction change, but I'd say it's at least partly that

[reef basin]

depots, free power, recipe rebalance, reduced requirements for phases

surely that all counts as "game easier"

[desert plover]

And now mention all the quantum technologies and the inherent complexity of that.

[dense violet]

AGS is distinctly different game mode

[desert plover]

Yesnt

[ivory condor]

and then 1.2 added game modes as a way to try to give players more difficulty again hmmmm now that i think about it

[reef basin]

"if you need to cross the map"

that's what I mean by optimising travels - why do you need to cross the map? could it be prevented? could you build infrastructure so that you don't need to do this next time?

[desert plover]

You can just play everything as it was with no power requirements

[reef basin]

the newly added stuff had practically same/similar compelxity to how 0.8 was

[ivory condor]

I wonder is each update going to follow this pattern, make game easier, next update give players something else to hopefully make the game harder, next update time to make this easier again, ok heres another feature to hopefully make the game harder again, rinse and repeat?

So next update we should expect something to make the game easier again hmmmm

[desert plover]

No, and thats not the pattern

Update 1.1 was purely QoL and bug fixing

[reef basin]

well, it's something, but it's a bit problematic due to the global effect, rather than being balanced around something

obviously it would be way more work to do basically two (or more) separate balance sets of recipes, so I get why they did it

[desert plover]

With minor additions like the elevator and other building materials

[ivory condor]

how so, most of those qol made the game by and large easier though

dont get me wrong, they werent bad qol additions, but it did make the game easier more or less

[desert plover]

If you think so 👍

[ivory condor]

it makes logical sense to me

[normal orbit]

so being able to do infinite nudging made game easier? thats just a silly argument.

[ivory condor]

who said i was arguing that?

[normal orbit]

you said qol made game easier

[ivory condor]

theres other feature in 1.1 that make the game easier

[ivory condor]

that isnt the only feature 1.1 added you know

[normal orbit]

ok, so what of: controller support, crash site dismantling, elevator, buffer stop, signal side change, railway rework, conveyor wall holes, conveyor lift splitters/mergers, thruput monitors, priority mergers, belt and pipe build modes, hypertube junctions. made game "easier" ?

[leaden matrix]

Sorry WHEN you need to cross the map to rebuild a factory because you unlocked a new resource, or part, or recipe that makes it better, it will be infinitely more enjoyable to not have to wait to do that instead of waiting on a train(slow) or driving(slow) or using a portal(loading screen)

[worn oar]

Is this dude really using "do you actually need to use the map tho" as an argument in a logistics-focused game with a huge map

[ivory condor]

what about bp auto connect?

[reef basin]

I don't see why would I want to rebuild existing factory tbh. It does what it needs to do, no reason to touch it

[normal orbit]

does that make game easier or just remove tedium?

[hard wolf]

travel eats up so much time that you're wasting a ton of time not minimizing it

[worn oar]

The only way that argument makes sense is if you build a megafactory producing everything in one area, and you wait to do so until peak efficiency so you can never get more out of a node or a factory, and your existing factories never bottleneck or break

[ivory condor]

kind of does both?

[reef basin]

exactly, so remove the need to travel instead of minimising travel time

[hard wolf]

minimizing travel time removes tedium, 100%

[normal orbit]

how is it easier?

[cunning sinew]

"we are not only saving humanity and earth, but also kittens and puppies" i'm sold

[hard wolf]

the factory part of the game is still as hard as it needs to be. some people stop playing as soon as they get to adaptive control units. that's fine, and adding settings that lower the quantity needed to progress is also fine

[ivory condor]

isnt that ada propaganda?

[normal orbit]

if avoiding to build some belts and pipes between two blueprints is easier for you, then you have other issues my guy.

[cunning sinew]

i do like kittens

[leaden matrix]

To increase the amount it produces so you can increase the amount everything else produces?

You dont start out with maxed out miners, or belts, or every recipe, and unless you use a bug to get recipes (save scumming) there will be better ways to build things, and part of the game is eventually building things better than they were before

[reef basin]

I just build new factory separately

it's more time efficient, you don't have to spend time removing old stuff

[normal orbit]

yes, and imo depots also removes a tedium of going back and forth to pick up building materials.

[ivory condor]

how is that related to what I said?

[normal orbit]

how is it not?

[ivory condor]

i fail to see the connection to be honest

[reef basin]

minimising travel amount is even better

[normal orbit]

you said yourself that blueprint auto connect makes game easier. all it does it automatically build some belt and pipe pieces

[ivory condor]

right, thats what makes the game easier, its pretty straight forward to see that

dont get me wrong bps were meant to make building easier, auto connect is a extension of decreasing that difficulty even more

[twin parcel]

when i thought mk5 belts unlocks will help my belt logistics but the sheer amount of stuff im making says otherwise .

[normal orbit]

blueprints remove a tedium of repetative building, they do not make game "easier"

could argue being constrained by the blueprint size makes it harder. considering the amount of complaints about it

[leaden matrix]

And you will run out of resource nodes

You cant always go to a new place

Also this viewpoint only works for people who already have put time into the game as "making a new factory somewhere else" leaves very little room for new players to learn how to play the game

Hypertube cannons remove a redudent part of the game.

They actively serve to make the game more enjoyable especially for more casual players.

[ivory condor]

dont worry with how broken movement is with 1.2 now, traveling amount has been minimized...alot

[dense violet]

if you try to use all the nodes inthe world to end point production your computer will catch fire first. So poor argument

[reef basin]

I can use the existing nodes. Upgrade/overclock miner, split after output

I have same amount of resources available as you do, the way how you build doesn't change it

[reef basin]

Also this viewpoint only works for people who already have put time into the game as "making a new factory somewhere else" leaves very little room for new players to learn how to play the game

The "make new factory" is especially great for new people

[leaden matrix]

If you always make a new factory instead of confronting your old ones you wont learn from your mistakes

[ivory condor]

if your computer is going to catch fire from regular usage, hate to say it but you have bigger problems to worry about beyond reaching end game production

[twin parcel]

i am going to use all the bauxite in the world for ficsonium later .

[ivory condor]

like you know worry about and finding what in gods name is wrong with your pc, that requires fixing...very soon

[dense violet]

Yeah making a new factory is literally learning how to play

[rich parrot]

I think the x2 challenge features in 1.2 are a step in the right direction. We will get native way to make the game a bit harder.

[leaden matrix]

If you never change your factories from the start of the game and always just make new ones at other nodes You clearly are using them to end point production

[reef basin]

you do? you see why old ones aren't ideal and you build future ones better

you also don't end up in the classic loop of "rebuild every time I learn something new", which very much slows down the progression and makes the game unenjoyable (and often causes burnouts)

[dense violet]

every factory you make will be less terrible if yo ubother learning

[reef basin]

yeah, factories make end products

but that doesn't change how many raw resources it uses

[leaden matrix]

No you DONT see why the old ones arent ideal if you dont ever go back to them

If you want to see what was wrong with older factories you have to see them and travel to them to see the root problem which brings us back to why travel (while redudent often times) is something you have to do

You cant avoid going back to your factories forever, if you want to learn you need to look at them and see what was wrong with them, moving on without first going back to them and seeing the issue (which requires travel) will end with you making the same shit

[reef basin]

who said you don't ever go back to them?

I said you don't rebuild them

you go to them before depots, and probably even afeter depots (in case it breaks down)

[rich parrot]

Why would you need to go back for that? I think most of us have pretty good memory of our factories and can imagine them in full detail.

[ivory condor]

people have different player styles, some people rebuild factories to make them better, some keep on building on whats already there, etc, its important to keep in mind everybody tackles this game a little different

[reef basin]

and also, most of the time you learn what works/doesn't work while building it

[normal orbit]

you also dont have to do one or the other. build starter factory, then build another. learn more, build a third, learn more, go back maybe redo starter cause you have idea for that particular spot. etc. You constantly learn things as you play. I still figure out new ways to build after thousand hours

[leaden matrix]

Thats not the point, the point is travel from point A to B is something you will have to do, probably often, and probably redudently.
People like hypertube cannons because they get rid of the redundancy of slow travel

[ivory condor]

many reasons i can think of going back to them, even expanding-if you want to make production larger in that factory for whatever reason, fixing-you realized you made a mistake and need to correct whats wrong with that factory, you decide to you really dont like that factory and want to rebuild it

[leaden matrix]

@rich parrot oops meant to reply

[leaden matrix]

Which is another reason why travel is important and something you will need to do?
And something that will (Especially at longer distances) will reduce the amount of time you spend actually playing the game instead of sitting in a train, or pressing like 3 buttons for a couple of minutes while you wait

Which is why people use hupertube cannons and why they get rid of something that actively takes you away from the main points of the game

[reef basin]

see above https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/455858725518049280/1496408731955757096

[leaden matrix]

Doesn't mean you still dont need to go back to them? You literally gave more reason why you may need to go back to them?

Did you even read what I wrote dude

[ivory condor]

honestly im not sure what is even being debated now

[reef basin]

only reason to go back is:

• pre-depots (but at that point you usually don't build factories in other biomes anyway)
• if it's broken (doesn't happen that often, mostly just once/twice at alu or other loops, which are pretty lategame)

doesn't change the fact that "build separate factories" is still great way for new players

[ivory condor]

i feel like we keep bringing up the same points again and again here, why is this happening again

[reef basin]

idk, last conversation was "why (not) to rebuild factories"

so I'm talking about that

but now it somehow got back to traveling

[leaden matrix]

Not the point of the argument?

Building seperate factories is great to learn but ignoring your previous ones completely can cause issues, but I digress because that wasnt the point of the arguement?

You will eventually need to travel, (newer players typically will have to do it multiple times but wtv)

Which is why people use hypertubes and why they remove slow travel which will take you away from the game

[ivory condor]

isnt rebuilding generally not recommended?

[normal orbit]

rebuilding is only not recommended if its your only production of a material

[leaden matrix]

We were talking about hypertubes
He doesnt like them because they dont fit into his idea of balance
I argue that in their current state there is no reason to get rid of them.because they get rid of travel which often feels redudent and slow and takes you from the game

He argues you wont have to go back to a factory more than once or twice so it doesnt matter

I argue you do and try to keep us on point as we argue about the importance of rebuilding factories

[This is oversimplified]

[reef basin]

yeah, that's what I was telling the user

but they somehow brought "travel time" into the argument

[leaden matrix]

Because that was the topic?????

[cunning sinew]

ok so i just unlocked coal generators, but, its very far away like 500 meters, should i move my factory there or its okay to have it very far away?

[normal orbit]

its ok to have it far away just connect it with power poles

[leaden matrix]

Rebuilding was --> A <-- reason to go back

[cunning sinew]

consider i gotta rework my factory anyway

[reef basin]

the topic was "do you rebuild"

the traveling wasn't discused already

[twin parcel]

its ok to have very fr away

[cunning sinew]

ty very much

[reef basin]

500m isn't very far
and you shouldn't move factories

[leaden matrix]

The topic was "hypertubes, balancing, and travel"

Rebuilding was an example i used as to why you have to go back to a factory (there are other reasons)

[reef basin]

He argues you wont have to go back to a factory more than once or twice so it doesnt matter

I argue you do
but you don't... unless you rebuild, which is already wasteful, so arguing about using slightly faster method of transportation only to lose hours of progress by rebuilding is weird

[twin parcel]

my oil plant is 2km away from my factory , and my uranium plant is really isolated .

[cunning sinew]

ok nvm i need to find water and pure coal for maximum output, how far away is too far away for my electricity factory cause i'm not sure yet if i can move it that far to my base,

[leaden matrix]

Or unless you dont have DDs unlocked? Or you want check you arent wasting power
Or to look at it
Take a screenshot
Maybe liquid balancing went wrong?
Maybe you realized your throughput was off because a BP autoconnected wrong and you didnt notice

There are plenty of reasons to revisit earlier factories

The point wasnt the rebuilding, you're getting far to hinged on that instead of the main point dude

[ivory condor]

liquid balancing

[cunning sinew]

YOO I FOUND PURE COAL

theres no water anywhere near tho thats a problem right

[normal orbit]

look to the north

[cunning sinew]

oh yea ik there's water up there its just really far which is a bummer

[reef basin]

given that it was your only point, I was indeed replying to that one point

as for your other points:

• yes, looking/screenshotting is valid, but again, usually you do this like once, or make a proper transport network if you need to do this very often
• liquid balancing is basically a swear word, never balance liquids
• broken factory should be tested before you leave the area, but obviously can happen (but again, mostly like once)

(and DDs I already mentioned above)

[rich parrot]

Building a coal power plant a bit further away is a good idea, so you can reserve the nearby coal node(s) for upcoming steel production. It is very fast and easy to build power poles across the map. It is much more cumbersome to transport resources.

Especially if a coal node has iron nearby. Those are good spots for steel.

[cunning sinew]

just a bummer the pure coal node is so far away from the water i could have hit two birds with one stone

[cunning sinew]

fair i guess this one goes for steel

[normal orbit]

doesnt have to be pure coal tho

[rich parrot]

Check the lake north of your starting area. There are some coal nodes and enough water for a nice power plant.

[leaden matrix]

With broken factories its easy to overlook with larger manifolds where 1 constructor might cause a small harder to notice dip. (This happend to me earlier today 💔, the worst part is it was inside of my blueprint i recently made so I had to go and check my other manifolds for it)
-# or you just dont wanna wait for the spin up time to check the full PPM so you leave the area, but thats just laziness tbh

[cunning sinew]

bet

[reef basin]

purity is practically irrelevant. I'd recommend moving coal to water or finding node near water

[cunning sinew]

doesnt it double the output tho?

[normal orbit]

yes, but you can overclock a normal node to 200% to be same as a pure node

you're mostly limited on beltspeed early game

[reef basin]

point is that you shouldn't be looking at it as "I need to find pure node", but "I need to find nodes to make me X/min that I need"

so if your coal gens need e.g 240/min, you just go and use node(s) that give you at least that much (and underclock miners if they give more)

yes, purity affects how much do you get from one node, but too many people limit themselves to pure (or pure+normal) nodes for no reason

[normal orbit]

1 pure node = 2 normal nodes = 1 normal node @200% = 4 impure nodes = 2 impure @200% etc

[cunning sinew]

theres a giant cracked rock above this other coal node is that normal?

[cunning sinew]

fair point

[reef basin]

yeah, you need some tech to get rid of it

if you don't have that tech yet, find another node

[cunning sinew]

allright!

[glass grove]

you need to blow it up with nobelisks

[reef basin]

I intentionally didn't spoil that 🤔

[cunning sinew]

theres a green transparent vfx pillar coming from the ground?

[glass grove]

What?

[cunning sinew]

its ok i have no idea what it is anyway when i unlock it i will probably go "ohhh"

[glass grove]

How far are you in Satisfactory @cunning sinew

[cunning sinew]

i just entered phase 2 and just unlocked coal

[reef basin]

there's a thing called "don't spoil future content to new players" 🙂

but unfortunately it happens a lot here

[crude canyon]

Man I haven't played this game in a while now. I think it's been a week already

[reef basin]

so I tried to just tell them it's removable in the future but letting them figure out what does it and how

[normal orbit]

green transparent pillar?

[cunning sinew]

its like a beam going to the sky

[glass grove]

Highlighted stamp or something

[normal orbit]

could you post a screenshot in #screenshots ?

oh map marker thing

[cunning sinew]

oh my bad then lmao

[normal orbit]

no its fine, was just a little curious :p