satisfactory

[fluid sapphire]

rumor has it he is still on that train

[fierce granite]

mine was just 2 signals away from its station it was going to, so when i did it i just did the next 2 sections of track

[fluid sapphire]

mine got stuck after exiting its off-load point, but also just a handful of signals away

but idk, there are some complex intersections happening in that area

[cursive topaz]

Guys what do you put into the alien power augmenter

[fluid sapphire]

alien power matrix, 5 per minute

[cursive topaz]

I don’t have any of those

[fluid sapphire]

its a phase 5 component

it bumps the power boost from 10% to 30%

[lyric zodiac]

Do you lot have an QoL mods or mods that improve functionality or add cool new building options you'd recommend? That mod that adds a load of different power generation methods looks pretty cool.

[fluid sapphire]

that doesnt sound like a QoL mod

[cursive topaz]

I’ll just build three

[lyric zodiac]

Maybe I should break the sentence up, it's not a QoL mod 😄 but I am interested in any QoL mods people might suggest I look into.

[fluid sapphire]

well you only get ~100 sloops total, 3 takes almost 30% of that, if you think its worth it, go ham

[cursive topaz]

Totally only a hundred

[fluid sapphire]

unless you cheat in more, at which point it doesnt matter what you do

[cursive topaz]

I’m joking

One is enough

For ascetics

[earnest condor]

How many does the research cost? 2?

[cursive topaz]

1

[cursive topaz]

That’s why the map has 103 total I think

[fluid sapphire]

3 actually

3 nodes require 1 sloop each

[earnest condor]

Really? Map had 106 at last count so you have 105 to use if it takes only 1.

104 if 2, 103 if 3 😁

[rough shore]

102 if 4

[earnest condor]

3 sounds right.

[fluid sapphire]

it takes 3, look at the mam

[earnest condor]

Yeah so you have 103 you can "use".

[bronze loom]

is satisfactorytools down for anyone else?

[earnest condor]

I actually love the somer tech because it's a limited thing and you have think about how to allocate them.
As opposed to Mercers... but not going to get into that.

[fluid sapphire]

loads fine for me

[earnest condor]

Been buggy since last night. Can ask @reef basin

[fluid sapphire]

whats your perceived problem with mercer spheres lol

[shy temple]

Well, Mercers you have more than you can use I think is their reference

You can do all the research and container all the items with more to spare.

With somersloop, you sort of really need to consider allocation

[earnest condor]

It's not perceived?
I don't like the Depot. That's my problem with them.
But it is my opinion and I'd rather not go down that rabbit hole.

Somers are interesting.

[shy temple]

If we didnt have depot? I probably wouldn't play

[fluid sapphire]

ah, ok, different strokes i guess. i dont like tedious inventory management minigames

get enough of that in other games

[shy temple]

I seriously would get tired of the resource train management, especially if it takes me five minutes just to get back to my stockpile and longer if having to make multiple factories so I don't have to go all the way back

15 minutes round trip because ran out of something? Nope.

[earnest condor]

Not a rabbit hole I want to go down. 🤷‍♂️

[oblique aspen]

you just have to build larger, then you will run out of concrete constantly still 😛

[fluid sapphire]

i dont know how large you would have to build to run out of concrete with like 10 uploaders

[shy temple]

But it also takes a while to really establish depots and make them useful, that is sort of where I find them nice. Unless you speedrun them, their function grows with you. The upload times and quantities and how many you need, etc.

[earnest condor]

All my concrete needs are supplied by @mortal ginkgo 😏

[shy temple]

I only need one uploader each. I have ran out of concrete rarely, and only if making a massive platform.

But even then, that is the rare time I will grab a pile of concrete before I start.

[earnest condor]

Some dude in math-meta was trying to declare he would never use Basic Iron Ingot because he needed ALL Limestone to keep up with his building needs...

[fluid sapphire]

uh yeah i think i saw that earlier today, didnt really understand what was going on there

[shy temple]

Also, quiet all weekend. Was focued on my aluminium plant and... Ooops, forgot the silica. heh heh.

[earnest condor]

Permanent or initial setup?

[shy temple]

A permanent initial setup 🙂

[fluid sapphire]

not me out here with 4-8 uploaders for almost everything

[shy temple]

I have one uploader per item. Essentially at the point I am at, there is a storage container, and then a single uploader for each item I make.

It is my favorite part of phase 3 of my main malls.

Phase 1 is large containers, phase 2 is auto sink, phase 3 is quantum storage.

[fluid sapphire]

i had 6 uploaders for copper sheets while i was building my power plant and it was too slow :p

[shy temple]

I put it on top of container, lift into it. And all rocking.

Aaah, that happens early on for me, til I get the initial upgrades for it. But I also don't do mass blueprint building often.

[fluid sapphire]

at max upgrades mind you

[normal orbit]

i had 10 depots uploading quartz crystals, wasnt enough for my train highway, had to wait a few seconds every 4th section

[earnest condor]

Ah. I have those as completely separate categories.
And my initial aluminium is always Pure so it doesn't need Silica.
Permanent ones I build later chug the stuff.

[shy temple]

Concrete couldnt keep up with my railroad, so I alternated ties with rails and if I had to, ran back and grabbed a ton from a container.

[earnest condor]

Quartz Purification usually pumps out enough Silica to handle aluminium tbh.

[shy temple]

I could do it different, but I choose sort of to not use the hard drives when I unlock the tier.

I get the tier running and then run more hard drives.

I got the silica handled. I just forgot it 🙂

It was easy, I had plenty of space so just built the cheap silica and all good.

[earnest condor]

Collecting hard drives for the next tier is what I do while my Project Parts are cooking in their somered Manufacturers.

[shy temple]

Yup, ditto

[earnest condor]

Also on the topic of quartz -- the RD cave is sneakily perfect in it's design.

[shy temple]

I explore while stuff processes, I get the initial stuff for the tier going, then run my hard drives so I have them for the more advanced stuff.

[normal orbit]

depends on scale :p

[earnest condor]

You have the qtz nodes in the cave and a normal SAM.
Go out the west entrance, there's a large, flat area that has 4 normal coal nodes -- which is the perfect amount to pair with that one SAM for more quartz.

You cannot tell me that is coincidence.

[shy temple]

Basic stuff of course is less efficient, but can be a fast setup to get the unlocks.

Plus trains, I love the trains running around now crossing map hauling stuff. Got my fuel train running from the west coast to the swamp. And a secondary one hauling limestone and quartz from up on the hill.

And containers full of biomass from all the things in the swamp annoying me while I build. I cannot wait to dump all those alien samples into the sink

[fluid sapphire]

if they are annoying, why bother fighting them

[earnest condor]

I have done a world-wide train loop only twice. And neither time did it have anything to do with logistics 😁

[normal orbit]

theres not enough quartz on the map to do all of it to silica with quartz purification to handle all bauxite on the map :( but with cheap silica you can get there

[earnest condor]

Oh? 👀

Main 2 things I use Silica for are Al Ingots and SilHSC.

May need to rethink my math if it's going to be limited.

[fluid sapphire]

silicon HSC is goat

[earnest condor]

I use Caterium CB, Crystal Comp, SilHSC, baseline RCU, and OC Super for my electronics recipes.

[normal orbit]

yea, theres 13500 raw quartz, which with quartz purification makes like 15k silica. need 20500 for all scrap to ingots. if you do cheap silica you can get 30k silica, so can have some of the quartz with purification and some with cheap to get to 20500

[earnest condor]

Ah. So some of my SAM will be allocated to printing more quartz.

Still haven't decided what all to do with SAM.
Part of me is considering printing sulfur in some areas. But quartz looks like a good investment for a solid chunk of it.

[grave cove]

Anyone has a good video that explains how to do road curves easily doing 45 and 90 degrees turn while still staying on the world grid, no videos i watched do what i want

Or someone could explain it to me in live
Ty

[earnest condor]

I have multiple issues with that question, so I cannot help 😭

I do hope you find your answer though!

[grave cove]

ty

[normal orbit]

if you're curving you aint staying on world grid

[shy temple]

Not needed to use sam for anything yet. Plenty of resources 🙂

[normal orbit]

forget about that

[grave cove]

Well you could easily get back to the world grid with 0 offset if you do only 45 or 90 degrees turn no ?

[shy temple]

If you want something that looks like a curve in the road, there is actually ways to make a range of angles look nice.

45 and 90 you can just rotate by snap for sharp angles, but if you want a curve, there are actually really good tutorial vids on how to make 'circles'

'circle' vids show about starting at center and measuring out.

[grave cove]

Well it's for roads so yeah I need very clean stuff

[shy temple]

for a curve, you can use where road is to measure in to find center.

[normal orbit]

no, only 360 will get back on the grid

[shy temple]

It is actually fairly intuitive, look up how to make circles in satisfactory and should be good

[normal orbit]

you can merge two grids fairly easily, but you're not the world grid when doing the curve

[grave cove]

Do you have a specific video in mind ? I tried to look for the same stuff you're telling me to search for and it didnt work xd

[shy temple]

for road curves, you can probably even make a blueprint. I don't have one top of my head I know of.

[grave cove]

yeah as long as it's easy to merge roads ti's fine

[grave cove]

yeah that'd be the goal, I wanna get one for 45 and one for 90 degrees

[earnest condor]

When I get my full world online there are always limiting factors 😭
Usually it was bauxite, limited by silica.
So option A would be print more bauxite and keep using pure, but I could also print more quartz for more silica with existing bauxite amounts.

Need to check maths. 😭

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message how i curve my train highway stuff, same principle can be used for roads

[earnest condor]

Personally I don't recommend world grid. Aligning to terrain "looks better" and terrain doesn't care about WG since it was added as an afterthought many updates later because people complained.

WG also has precision rounding errors over long distances. Meaning worlds entirely relying on it won't actually line up.

[normal orbit]

world grid is a newbie trap imo :o

[fluid sapphire]

sure about that? i have a railway running almost the length of the map, and it lines up perfectly

[earnest condor]

It's an afterthought.
Game wasn't meant to have it (imo).
They out it in only to sate the loud people who really, really, really wanted it.

[normal orbit]

i use whatever grid my train tracks have when i arive where i wanna build :p

[shy temple]

True true! but you are a very different type of player than me that loves optimization and maximum efficiency!

I like things that do factory things and factory noises with belts running around and overthought!

[earnest condor]

If you started it at one end and continued it stays in line. If you have 2 things on opposing ends and try to merge them it will be off by a smidge depending on how far the distance is.

[fluid sapphire]

i havent noticed, i can plop down a foundation anywhere near my rail posts and it always seems to line up with 8 nudges

[earnest condor]

Gets worse if you're crossing close to the world center iirc.

[fluid sapphire]

i build it all lined up relative to itself

but i will say, it can be very limiting

looking back, i would do it differently now

[earnest condor]

Oh this is like, build in DD.
Then go build in RD.
Then try to connect the 2.
Your 8m wide foundation will be off by like.. 8-10 cm.
Which can be very irksome.

[grave cove]

I'm not sure if i understood but check ur dms I send u ss of how it looks

[shy temple]

Yeah, I try to do a visual distraction to hide small gaps and such like that

[earnest condor]

It's just noticeable. But if you use things like railings and such you can hide it.

[shy temple]

Beams and similar work quite well

[normal orbit]

my dms aint open

[grave cove]

Is there any channel here where we can send screenshots ? That isnt a specific topic channel

[shy temple]

A good distraction can be light signs too, create a gate where two grids meet of sorts.

#screenshots

[normal orbit]

#screenshots

[grave cove]

Yeah but thats for screenshots of good builds i dont wanna flood it with discussion ? Is it fine still ?

fuck it lets go xd

[normal orbit]

theres also #design-and-architecture

[fluid sapphire]

but i kind of do, and it seems to line up, e.g i build in rocky desert and in blue crater - all my rails are lined up with a triangle shaped blueprint that i align perfectly corner by corner. if i plop down a foundation anywhere on the world grid, i have not noticed misaligment anywhere when i connect it to existing objects

[grave cove]

@normal orbit #screenshots message
This is how it looks for me :C

[normal orbit]

curve on the outside not the inside

[earnest condor]

Remember I mentioned I did a world-wide train only twice?

The last time I did it, it was because every outpost had an independent power grid (so if one failed it affected nothing else).
Power was supplied by on-site nuclear plants.
Train (powered by Geothermal so it could never fail) had the sole job of looping the map, dropping off fuel rods and picking up waste.

Now that was a fun logistical puzzle.

[oak hinge]

Is there any way to remove a pipeline floor hole without removing all attached pipes?

This is actually so incredibly annoying

I'm trying to use them to line stuff up in a blueprint

[grave cove]

how am i supposed to do that ? I cant visualize what you're asking

[normal orbit]

no, we usually pull pipes just thru the foundations, and add the hole after to make it look like its in use

[earnest condor]

Possible they shored up the errors then? Again, we are talking about cm vs. m so when it was off, it was barely off.
But if they fixed it, that's awesome for people who use it!

[oak hinge]

Oh my fucking god

Ig time to save editor this

[fluid sapphire]

use a wall support instead

[oak hinge]

Yeah that's so tedious

[earnest condor]

I don't think you can delete a conveyor floor hole without deleting all attached lifts either?

[normal orbit]

#design-and-architecture message heres how you make curve with the easiest method imo

[fluid sapphire]

no, yeah i mean like, if it was off, i think i definitely would have noticed, i have rebuilt large sections because of my own error

[gleaming wasp]

at what point does the pioneer start doing stuff that humanity, at it's current point, cannot?

[oak hinge]

I have 33 pipes im trying to get straight up through a lot of floors of factory

[fluid sapphire]

literally every block i place is on the world grid

[oak hinge]

So using wall supports needs me to place a ton of temporary walls and such

Even in the blueprint maker thats going to be such an insane hassle

[earnest condor]

When you land and immediately just disassemble the drop pod into another dimension at the click of a button?

[gleaming wasp]

okay yeah fair point

[oak hinge]

Long before then id say

[fluid sapphire]

yeah, it is a hassle, i dont know of a better way

thats what i used

bunch of temporary walls

[gleaming wasp]

i meant more in terms of buildings/items produced

[grave cove]

I'm sorry but i dont understand how to do it even with that explanation, my brain is totally fried

[oak hinge]

#screenshots message This is what i'm working with pipewise xD

So yeah uh gonna be a hassle ig

[earnest condor]

Aside from obvious stuff like that, I would say T8 when you can build Particle Accelerators that are smaller than a city block?
The most realistic answer to your question being how effortlessly we recycle Uranium Waste into usable Plutonium Rods.
Like, afaik we can do that, it's just not done due to complexity and cost.

[fluid sapphire]

oh, yeah, good luck lol

[earnest condor]

What are you even piping? And what are you piping it for?

[gleaming wasp]

actually yeah wouldn't a single particle accelerator take up a sizable portion of the map?

[oak hinge]

9 pipes of crude oil, 24 pipes of water, for a fuel powerplant

[earnest condor]

What's the diameter of our current supercollider?

[normal orbit]

irl we recycle uranium waste into uranium fuel rods :p

[grave cove]

Ok I managed to make it work, and i'm not tryna be mean but i'm pretty sure these instructions couldve been a lot clearer xD @normal orbit

[gleaming wasp]

it's certain when we start doing shit like quantum encoding

[gleaming wasp]

i believe 2-3km

[oak hinge]

I mean the obvious answer is actually the space elevator

[grave cove]

But there's no way i'm getting that in a blueprint tho, i'll get small sections

[oak hinge]

Erm, its like 27km lmao

[earnest condor]

Map diameter is like 8.3km, for comparison.

[oak hinge]

Sorry its 27km in circumference

[gleaming wasp]

it's that small?

[earnest condor]

Yes.

[oak hinge]

So CERN wouldnt even fit on the map lmao

[normal orbit]

27km is the circumference, not diameter

[gleaming wasp]

damn i gotta start conserving my resources then lol

[oak hinge]

Yeah

[fluid sapphire]

someone remind me, do drones make any attempt at avoiding large clumps of foundations?

[earnest condor]

CERN diameter per internet is 8.6km

[oak hinge]

You really dont

[earnest condor]

So it would fit, but it would be in the death zones of the world.

[oak hinge]

Yeah barely would fit

[cold berry]

Aren't they firing up an even bigger particle accelerator at CERN tho? That one won't fit lol

[oak hinge]

But yeah the point at which things become way too advanced is actually long before that, the HUB and the space elevator both are completely impossible with current tech

[oak hinge]

No atm theres just high luminosity

[gleaming wasp]

the hub?

[oak hinge]

The shuttle

[gleaming wasp]

oh yeah right

[oak hinge]

Its a single stage to orbit spacecraft with an insane payload fraction

[gleaming wasp]

forgot about that for a sec

[gleaming wasp]

with no fuel input

[oak hinge]

Yeah

[neat anvil]

What kind of fuel should I use for drones

[oak hinge]

But i presume that can come from space

[oak hinge]

Plutonium fuel rods, radioactive drones go brr

(dont do that unless you really want to)

[cold berry]

I assumed it was like a giant mag-lev railgun; using coiled magnets to launch things into space with no fueled propulsion

[gleaming wasp]

and you casually stand about 10m from the blast zone

[oak hinge]

That's not what the shuttle shows up as in game

[cold berry]

Yeah, you're right. I just assumed.

It is more impossible than I thought lol

[oak hinge]

I mean even that would be completely impossible with current tech

[cold berry]

Oh yeah, but easier to see IMO

It'd be a little closer

[oak hinge]

Eh no id say significantly harder

[grave cove]

@normal orbit Last question but as you said, that strategy makes only a 5 degree angle, so the most optimal blueprint would be a 15 degrees one ? At least in a mk2 as I currently dont have the space to make a whole 45 degrees with full foundations, right ?

[gleaming wasp]

even a manufacturer is pretty crazy

i mean i kinda get it for the heavy frames

[cold berry]

Really? I kinda thought a railgun would be easier than a single stage rocket that could reach low orbit perfectly and then dock lol

[oak hinge]

Mostly because like if you somehow are able to do something like a nuclear saltwater rocket you can actually potentially make a shuttle with a payload fraction like that

[stark sentinel]

Does anyone know if there will ever be a Steam workshop for Sattsfaktory mods on Steam?

[oak hinge]

Ofc itd irradiate everything within like 100+km when it launches

[gleaming wasp]

but a (competitively) tiny machine that can just make a computer off of its fundamental parts?

[oak hinge]

It has a few materials technology challenges we'd need to solve

[normal orbit]

you blueprint a one foundaiton length section of your road and snap that to the inside of the curve

that way you dont need to fiddle with set curves in the designer

and you can do any degree increment of 5

[oak hinge]

But a coilgun that can shoot into space? The amount of new materials technology that would need to get researched for that to be possible without disintegrating on launch due to the g forces or in the atmosphere due to again g forces and this time also heating is just ABSURD

Not to mention it has to be functional once its in orbit and still has to have engines and such

[oak hinge]

I mean i think the smelter is the much bigger miracle ngl

Its so small, takes barely any power to run, and somehow is able to separate elemental iron from iron ore and form it into ingots

[violet glen]

The smelter actually has a realistic powerdraw

it's the other machines that draw WAY too much

[oak hinge]

Lmao no not at all

[earnest condor]

Science for space elevator works. We just don't have the material to do it.

They believe they can do it with carbon nanotubes, the problem is they have so far been unsuccessful in chaining them longer than a few cm.

[gleaming wasp]

you gotta remember we're dealing in megawatts here

[oak hinge]

Yeah ik

[cold berry]

Wouldn't the heat shielding required be the same so long as it's the same upward path as a rocket? In fact, you could put more payload-effort into heat shielding because you wouldn't have to carry fuel.

Like, as far as I know, it's atmospheric friction that causes the heat dome upon entering and re-entering atmosphere, not the thrust necessarily. (?)

[oak hinge]

Atmospheric friction happens when you go up through the atmosphere as well

And in fact its MUCH MUCH MUCH worse when you go up

[violet glen]

In theory you don't need heat shields if you have the thrust to slow down yourself

[gleaming wasp]

i think we could do it if humanity united themselves

[oak hinge]

Because you get shot up and you slow down as the atmosphere gets thinner

[earnest condor]

I stop dealing in MW the moment I hit coal 😉

[cold berry]

I know, but wouldn't that be the same as a rocket? Why could we do it in a rocket now but not to a space elevator?

[proven frost]

What’s the best app to plan the building?

[oak hinge]

No its not the same as a rocket, because a rocket doesnt get all of its velocity instantly before it leaves the ground

[earnest condor]

But then what would we do with out racism, sexism, religious bigotry, willful ignorance.... 😏

[violet glen]

Space Elevators fail at no material being strong enough to carry its own weight to that length, and then a payload

[earnest condor]

Tools.

[oak hinge]

A rocket is VERY slow in the thick parts of the atmosphere, relatively speaking

[proven frost]

Which tools

[earnest condor]

It's literally called Tools...

[oak hinge]

A rocket only goes like mach 5 or smth in the thick parts of the atmosphere, at most

[proven frost]

Crazy

[gleaming wasp]

a manufacturer takes like a small town's worth of power to just pull a few things together and spit it out lol

[oak hinge]

Mach 5 is super fast for a rocket too, that's like not at all human rated rockets

Human rated rockets barely hit mach 2 iirc

[violet glen]

a constructor takes the power of a quite sizable small city

[gleaming wasp]

im sure we would have built a space elevator by now if we could have used it for warfare

[violet glen]

4MW is A LOT of power

[earnest condor]

Too true.

[oak hinge]

Yeah the reason i say its not realistic is because irl you use chemical processes to separate the iron from the ore

In smelters its pure electricity (converted into heat, i assume)

[gleaming wasp]

heating up iron oxide doesn't do much

you gotta do electrolysis on it

[oak hinge]

You need to heat the iron ore A LOT, like A LOT A LOT, to separate it

[gleaming wasp]

true

[oak hinge]

And for that i think 4MW is a bargain

[gleaming wasp]

you do need it to ge molten

[oak hinge]

Yeah and its silicates youre melting

[normal orbit]

smelters should technically make steel not iron ingots from iron ore :p

[oak hinge]

Which are not known for low melting points

[gleaming wasp]

wait it is?

[oak hinge]

I mean its rock

[gleaming wasp]

how do we know it ain't just iron oxide?

[oak hinge]

Because its ore

[gleaming wasp]

ah true

forgive me, i'm being thick

[oak hinge]

Lol

[gleaming wasp]

i mean ig there technically would be a teeny bit of iron oxide

[normal orbit]

iron ore is Fe(1-x)O, it might have silica rock near it, but typically its veins of ore

[gleaming wasp]

i see a bit of rust on the iron ore texture

you can see a ton on copper ore

[oak hinge]

Yeah true actually

So ig its more realistic than i thought, still you need to get rid of the oxygen

[normal orbit]

yea, need a reductant like carbon or hydrogen

[oak hinge]

Or just electrolysis

Well you still need a reductant

But like you can make due with just a shit ton of electricity if you dont want one

[gleaming wasp]

even then, you would need something more than iron

[oak hinge]

No, you can use basically anything as a reductant if you use enough electricity

[gleaming wasp]

it's probably not the best idea to contain molten iron with not molten iron

[normal orbit]

well you make heat with the electricity, no sure which temp you get thermal decomposition of iron oxide, but probably a lot higher than whats feasable

[oak hinge]

No like you can use the same process as electrolysis

[reef basin]

What's happening?

[earnest condor]

Tools has been experiencing longer-than-usual load times since last night.
(For me the issue is now resolved, personally)

[gleaming wasp]

i got ~1540°c

[normal orbit]

yes but no. you can't just add electricity to do that, you need to dissolve it

[oak hinge]

Well you can make it into a plasma

So yesn't

[gleaming wasp]

i mean im just curious if you can fully electrolyse the mass of the iron oxide given with 8mw of power

[reef basin]

Huh, I was using them normally today

Load times as initial load or calculations?

[earnest condor]

Initial.

As I said, seems to be resolved now.

[gleaming wasp]

but we don't know the mass of the iron oxide given

[oak hinge]

I mean worst case scenario you can literally plasma sputter the iron ore lmfao

[gleaming wasp]

8mw for 2 secs gives us 16,000,000 joules of energy to work with

[oak hinge]

But youre not getting that done with 16 megajoules

[normal orbit]

an iron plasma? :p

[oak hinge]

Yes? xD

[cyan axle]

hey guys ive started on satisfactory for the first time ever and im a bit confused on why my freight platform isnt collecting the materials im inputting

[shy temple]

I need to remember, I gotta deactivate one of my rail lines, trains are sitting too long due to path gate logic for the shared third lane.

[shy temple]

A station platform has to be set to unload for train to unload there.

[earnest condor]

Did you set it to "Load"?

[normal orbit]

your train station is wrong way so the terminal isnt powered to accept the input

[cyan axle]

yea its on load my conveyor belt is just stuck

[shy temple]

Is the station powered?

[gleaming wasp]

that's enough to boil a measly 48l of water

not that impressive acc

[cyan axle]

i sent you ss's

[shy temple]

Can just post in #screenshots and we can all see it if you like

[oak hinge]

I mean to be fair water has an absurd enthalpy of vaporization

[earnest condor]

Please don't send me unsolicited dms...

[gleaming wasp]

isn't that why we use it for energy transfer?

[shy temple]

Oh sevrahn, when I show screenshots of my aluminium base, it might trigger you with the amount of intentional clipping.

[cyan axle]

sent it into the ss now

[normal orbit]

i am 99.9% sure you placed the station wrong way

[gleaming wasp]

i mean pretty much EVERY use of generating power we've come up with for thousands of years can be boiled (pun intended) down to "what if we heated up water?"

[fluid sapphire]

that image says nothing, need an overhead shot of the whole station

[cyan axle]

wdym wrong way?

[normal orbit]

train stations are directional

[waxen forge]

can someone maybe help me maybe with electricity? , i could join vc and show it

[fluid sapphire]

[]-[]-[)

[cyan axle]

what does this mena

[fluid sapphire]

thats what your setup needs to look like

this is like an ascii version of the overhead view

[fierce granite]

loading platforms need to be on the flat side of the train station

[unborn moss]

@gus.0 @gus.0 the station needs to be powered to take item in.

[fierce granite]

look at roofs

[cyan axle]

i see okay thank you

[fluid sapphire]

the trains drive in from the side where the platforms are, for the station, you set the curved side towards the side they drive out from

#screenshots message

[cyan axle]

yep got it inputting now thank you so much

[primal seal]

Does anyone know why the performance of the game has gotten worse since last year? I lasted played 1 to 2 years ago and was getting consistent 144 fps at 21:9 2k resolution on my Ryzen 7 3700X, RX 5700XT and 32GB 3200MHz RAM, but now I can barely hit 60fps on the lowest settings.

[normal orbit]

probably using the gpu on the cpu and not the 5700xt. set satisfactory to high performance in windows

[fluid sapphire]

thats a pretty wild setup for that gpu

[normal orbit]

if you're on experimental FSR is bugged to heck so might wanna disable that

[fiery root]

Finally 1,2 GW with coal

[grave cove]

Why is mk3 blueprint so hard to unlock ? I'm trying to build road blueprints but it's too small to fit my turning roads

[worn oar]

Clean out the dust from your computer

[void cliff]

Gets around 90 fps on a 5k2k 21:9 monitor with a 5070ti and i9-14900

[worn oar]

So you have something to look forward to with peak efficiency

[grave cove]

Yeah but I need my roads rn xd
So i'm gonna hev to manualyl build 50% of my turning ones

[void cliff]

Any frame rate above 30 in satisfactory is good enough. It’s too gorgeous of a game to prioritize performance over graphics

[worn oar]

I always have 144 fps

[grave cove]

I'm constantly at capped monitor 240hz with frame gen

Constantly unless i'm placing big blueprints

[primal seal]

wild as in what? over- or underpowered?

[fluid sapphire]

seems a lot to squeeze out of that gpu

[primal seal]

yep its already set to high performance, I checked and its using my gpu

[worn oar]

Get Linux it runs better

[fluid sapphire]

i have a 3060ti and 12600kf and i play at 60, 1440p. i could cap at 120 but i already get drops near heavily populated areas and that would just make the swings more noticeable

[primal seal]

I clean my pc regularly so thats not an issue

[primal seal]

already on debian

[primal seal]

a 3700x and 5700x was like the perfect combo back in 2019, no real bottleneck if thats what youre talking about

[fluid sapphire]

i am not talking about bottlenecking, just that it seems a high expectation for that gpu, that resolution and framerate

with reference to my own hardware

[cold berry]

Me in Minecraft running 80hz instead of 144hz because my game lags to 120 and I notice it in my base

[primal seal]

I was running the game just fine like a year ago at 144hz on the same ultrawide at 2k so unless they switched engines or something I dont know what would cause it

[fluid sapphire]

ahh, i am not sure, there was an engine upgrade at one point

[primal seal]

alright I did some digging and found out the upgraded to unreal slop 5 so thats probably why it runs like ass

[grave cove]

I'm crashing a lot using the blueprint tools, first time using them and also first time crashing so often, is this a known issue ?

[violet glen]

dafuq, the nearest oil to me is a resource well, with only impure. Fun

[worthy hatch]

9070xt can run on ultra settings in exp at 4K easily

[fluid sapphire]

top tier card runs games well, shocker

[cursive topaz]

Ik im dumb but how do you switch the nobelisk selected?

[shy temple]

PC or console?

[cursive topaz]

Pc

[violet glen]

hold R

[shy temple]

On PC, I hold the R

Of note, if not reloaded, it will always reload before you can select to change ammo

[worthy hatch]

Equivalent to 9070

Of 9060 xt can’t remember

[normal orbit]

9070 is equivalent to a 9070? :p

[shy temple]

#3060peasantclub

[simple pebble]

Could be worse, you could be using a laptop with integrated graphics

[shy temple]

Bro upgraded his PC, and he spent days trying to figure out his graphics issues. He derped and connected monitors to onboard gfx and not his card.

[fluid sapphire]

thats literally the first thing you find advice to check for online though

[ornate saffron]

if it runs 🤷 This is not a buyers market

[shy temple]

Yup, my mindset. Card works great, comp is quiet. Never have issues.

[fluid sapphire]

used market is where its at

[shy temple]

Course I have been into comps for a long time. Got a GFX card for Amiga that is 480p and measured in the MB

[fluid sapphire]

been a generation or two behind my whole life

[shy temple]

Nothing wrong with that. Generation behind means that you got what was the same tech for half the cost!

[fluid sapphire]

exactly, considering how much progress has slowed it doesnt feel like i am that far behind

this was my dream setup like 4 years earlier but it wasnt affordable

[shy temple]

Exactly. And the next gen isnt usually that huge of a step up either.

I put it that I can wait a little, build the same for a lot less, and yeah, i might not have it as long usable by less than a year on something usually more than fine for several years.

But the money saved means when my pc does need upgrade, I can buy what is better for the upgrade than my original build and still have spent less.

[ornate saffron]

man i still remember my old 3dfx Voodoo with Glide. Ran Diable 2 so well lol

[shy temple]

I mean, need to be able to afford my ramen somehow.

[fluid sapphire]

i imagine this setup will serve me easily for the next 7-8 years at least

at which point all the stuff will be like 10 years old but still bangin

so many games in the backlog that dont need powerful hardware at all

[ornate saffron]

Ramen sounds reall good. its just above freezing today

[normal orbit]

wish i had a better gpu, but aint paying €4k for a 5090 :p

[ornate saffron]

im on year 6 almost for my 6900 xt

[fluid sapphire]

i got 3060ti and 12600kf last year

[ornate saffron]

that pretty much my laptop.

3060ti 11700h

My world is to big for my laptop now. so Satisfactory is Desktop only 🙁

[fluid sapphire]

laptop 3060ti is not the same as desktop 3060ti :p

but ya i hear ya

[ornate saffron]

i know i know lol

[wise junco]

Fackory

[ornate saffron]

i just got off work. Time for Blunts and factories

420

[wise junco]

NICE

Tonight will be more of a planning night for me than building. Now that I have p5 loaded in the cannon, the real projects can begin

[night lotus]

w

[shy temple]

I love days where something new starts, and something new finishes. Is something I like about later game, how projects start getting steps. Layout, organizing, supplying, then onlining

I hope to finish onlining my aluminium today and getting my alloy train running into the main station. Gonna have to paint that one chrome

I just had the idea to make the aluminium refinery double as a resource supply depot. Thinking having SAM and Caterium ore brought in and shipped to main plant from there.

My main hub is set up with three platforms. of total eight length, with empty platform either end. Six car is maximum with two engines. One platform is my main train to main base. Three cars for aluminium parts, and then I can add three more to finish it off I think. Then there are two more platforms that I have two short supply trains drop off. Stuff like fuel, etc.

[rigid wedge]

Does anyone know who made the base from the 1.2 title screen?

[shut turret]

Hi I haven't played satisfactory since early 2025 has a lot changed since then or is mostly still same

[velvet thorn]

Probably someone with the game

You're welcome 👍

[normal orbit]

someone at css i assume, who using illegal signs :p

[fluid sapphire]

i am expecting secret new signs when 1.2 hits main

[rigid wedge]

I would love to see some more of it because I like the idea of it

Lately I have been in setup size hell and I think I figured a solution

Just build vertical instead of horizontal

[fluid sapphire]

yeah dawg

multiple floors

suddenly you have a whole new dimension of room, literally

[supple canopy]

I haven't even noticed, which ones?

[fluid sapphire]

vertical long signs

[normal orbit]

the fuel can one

[hard wolf]

I crashed modeler x.x

[fluid sapphire]

if we dont get that icon i will be upset

[ornate saffron]

Likely a internal build as it has things we do not have in game.

[rigid wedge]

The space smeltevator

[fluid sapphire]

yeah, people build some crazy stackable tower type stuff

million different ways you can go about it

[rigid wedge]

As long as I don’t end up with the spaghetti I always do I’m happy

I plan for 2-3x more space and end up needing like 4x

[supple canopy]

oh hell yea

[supple canopy]

they teased the cross beam in the 1.1 menu screen so consider it in

[fluid sapphire]

that much i know

yeah i figure the list wont stop there

or so i hope anyway

[normal orbit]

also the sign with the nut on it has a size we dont have currently

[native tapir]

The whole sign is illegal. I believe it is a stretched billboard

[fluid sapphire]

they better legalize it

its about time

[worn oar]

Legalize gas nobelisks

[supple canopy]

said on 420 to grandaddypurple

can't you hide signs' edges inside another sign?

[fluid sapphire]

i just tried this, there are still visible lines, i cant seem to do it

oh wait, i am cooking

[normal orbit]

yea, for some signs, not all of em

[fluid sapphire]

well, its not exactly the same i dont think, but its something
#screenshots message

[supple canopy]

damn bro really cooked

yea you're onto something

but I still hope we get new signs xD

[fluid sapphire]

i clipped the edges of 3 small billboards, the made another one separately with an image and placed that in the middle

same

[supple canopy]

don't people have mods to actually play into the main menu world? idk if you can interact with different assets but maybe we'd get a hint

[little cobalt]

crazy there is no : nut: emote on this server for beryls

[supple canopy]

defo a missed opportunity here

[fluid sapphire]

#1449014435174940693 message

[green fiber]

cursed creature

[fluid sapphire]

looks normal to me

[dire needle]

best path for uranium to power and then recycle the waste into more power generally?

[fluid sapphire]

there is no best path

[normal orbit]

wasnt easy but managed: #screenshots message

intrestingly enough, the signs show thru in one direction but not the other when clipped

but the sign on the menu doesnt have those lil notches on the edge

[cobalt grotto]

wcan someone help me on why i can't load my truck from a truck station???

i press F and nothing happens

[rigid wedge]

click the station

and check if it says load or unload

and if theres something in it. also check if it has power

[cobalt grotto]

it was in load

but i changed it once and put it back and now it works.

[leaden matrix]

Theres no best path but id say theres three main ones people take

1: Being lazy and making more storage for the waste than will ever be used in your time playing the game

2: recycling the waste into plutonium fuel rods and then sinking it for a total of 0 waste

3: (this is the hardest )recycling the waste into plutonium fuel rods and then using it, then cycling that waste into the fisconium rods which has no byproduct so there is a total waste of 0

So it comes down to how much effort you want to put in

[cobalt grotto]

now it doesnt work again.

[normal orbit]

theres also alt recipes to increase production of fuel rods for both uraniuma nd plutonium, so depends if you want max power or lowest recycle route

[leaden matrix]

I find it hilarious you can put them in trucks and other vehicles (not sure about drones)

[normal orbit]

uranium and plutonium go in drones, but not ficsonium

[wild mural]

anyone know what takes 80mw of power to run? my turbofuel factory isnt using all of the power it needs and idk why

[normal orbit]

look for the red bars

[wild mural]

well yeah ive been looking for 20 mins

[normal orbit]

if all is green (or blue) then its running, if its red its not powered, if yellow its idle

[leaden matrix]

Power issues gotta be like the most frustrating things in the game man, (with the sole exception of pipes of course)

I feel you, think it could be a wiring issue?

[normal orbit]

also how do you know its 80mw less than it should be?

[wild mural]

the consumption is 80mw less than the max consumption

[leaden matrix]

Oh, somethings probably idle then

[normal orbit]

exaktly?

[wild mural]

yeah which is why i asked what machines could possibly take 80mw to run

i cant find it so if i know possible machines itll help

[normal orbit]

no machine draws exaktly 80mw without changing its clockspeed

[leaden matrix]

Uhhhh, id assume its probably like a manifold somewhere that got backed up

[normal orbit]

assemblers is 15mw, refineries 30mw, blenders 75mw. packagers 10mw.

[leaden matrix]

Oh think it could be machines that feed into dimensional depots?

[wild mural]

uh it shouldnt cause i have overflow going to an awesom e sink but ill check

[leaden matrix]

Shit why didnt i think of that

[normal orbit]

awesome sinks draw 30mw when in use, 0.1 when not

[supple canopy]

go 3 or go home

[wild mural]

it was not the depot. i have 1 awesome sink not running but thats on purpose

[white dawn]

If you were trying to set up an automated vehicle route, btw: don't bother doing the manual load/unload. That's completely ignored by the automated routes anyway

As you've discovered, doing it manually can be weird anyway, so it's not worth it

[cobalt grotto]

i could do it somehow at the end

[white dawn]

Once your vehicle path completes (ie: you make a complete loop), the game will automatically put in a yellow pause node on any station you've gone through

[ornate saffron]

Im pretty happyt sinking my Plutonium

[white dawn]

When the vehicle arrives at that yellow pause node, the station will do whatever the station's configured to do, no matter what "manual" actions you may have done while recording

[supple canopy]

your happyt, not happy 😏

[white dawn]

The only thing that the path-recording cares about is the actual path itself -- whatever you do with loading/unloading (whether it works or not) is totally ignored

[ornate saffron]

Must important im Pretty

[fluid sapphire]

isnt it also red when its powered but has no recipe selected?

[supple canopy]

jokes aside I'm making a NPP doing 16 plutonium, I'll sink half of it to cut down on the ficsonium production (and I'll use that half to power trucks and drones)

[white dawn]

Sure, it might. But again: the actual path recording completely ignores it anyway. :) When a vehicle arrives at a yellow pause node at a station, the station will do whatever it's configured to do

[normal orbit]

yes, but its technically not powered when it doesnt have a recipe

aka it doesnt show up under max consumption

[cobalt grotto]

thx for the tip. btw, is there some recommended length to know when its better to use a truck or just snap a really long belt?

[supple canopy]

and it's white/gray when in a blueprint designer

[white dawn]

All down to personal preference. Personally I'm not fond of long belts, so my use-a-vehicle threshhold is quite low

Other folks don't like having to work around vehicles' weird quirks and are happy to make kilometer-long belts

[cobalt grotto]

i'll experiment with it for a bit then, if my input requirements needs specific amounts then i guess i'll do belt

which is likely lol

[white dawn]

One more thing, btw: the upcoming v1.2 (which you can get a preview of in the Experimental branch, but back up your saves if you try, since you can't take a save "backwards" versions) kind of completely changes how automated vehicles work

[cobalt grotto]

in a better way?

[white dawn]

The paths you're creating now should still work once v1.2 is released, but it honestly might not make too much sense to get super involved in learning their current quirks

[normal orbit]

(also backup blueprints if you end up editing them in 1.2)

[cobalt grotto]

i haven't used blueprints yet but thx

[white dawn]

In a different way. :) Folks who struggled with vehicles in the past seem to like it. :)

[cobalt grotto]

i see, i'll watch a video about it

[white dawn]

Basically you now lay down "paths" pretty much like you do with rail on trains (although the paths are "virtual" instead of physical, like train rails)

[shy temple]

Also more than that. If you build a station AFTER you make a route, if that old route passes through or too close to the pickup of the new station? Then that old route will get the new station added to it

[wild mural]

AH i got it

[shy temple]

for current system

[wild mural]

i had 4 extra water extractors just sitting there

[white dawn]

I think I've heard it's possible to delete the route's yellow pause node, if that happens and you don't want it to, btw. I never had much success with that but I admit it's been ages since I've tried. :D

[shy temple]

It is, but it is very... bothersome.

I build a new station and it had added to four routes.

So I had to go to every vehicle using that route to delete their pause.

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, I've just been building with that behavior in mind for years now, so I just make sure that doesn't happen in the first place. :D

[shy temple]

That is why I am so happy for the change. And not having to record every single route

[white dawn]

Once you're aware of how paths work in conjunction with the stations it's not difficult to ensure everything's got enough room

Though yeah, the new system seems quite popular. :D

[shy temple]

Nope, it isnt. Still a bother. Aside from more complex manual routing and novelty, I cannot find advantage of old over new.

I mean can do jumps and stuff. I guess more finite control on routing too vs just auto most efficient

[normal orbit]

new system is infinitely easier to work with than old, but you can't put in vehicles doing tricks like ramp jumps as part of their path

or just do nonsene loops for decorative purposes

since new system does require stations

[leaden matrix]

The new system lowkey might convince me to use trucks because it seems fun😭

[unkempt blade]

No lowkey! Get hyped! Vehicles are amazing!

Do factory carts too! And Tractors!

[bleak valley]

I’m gonna automate biomass power with a fleet of factory carts feeding each burner

[grave cove]

For the people that use both trains and blueprints, should I intergrate bloc signals in my blueprints ?

[placid stirrup]

I don't, it's a situational procedure for my purposes. I just have a few small rail BPs for mounting and elevation change.

[leaden matrix]

I just dont know when I would use them over trains or drones ;-; maybe if I made a road system or smth

[grave cove]

Don't you need a lot of bloc signals on your track so trains can flow smoothly when you're using many trains on one single train track ?
(I havent used trains practically yet)

[unkempt blade]

Trucks and tractors don't really need a constructed road. Carts kind of spin out though I haven't tried 1.2 to see if they're much easier to drive in dirt

[supple canopy]

yes I put block signals every like 100m on my world track

[placid stirrup]

If you're using several trains on a common circuit. That reduces throughput, however, so I avoid that when possible. I suppose if you're looking to build a network, you could BP some intersections with block signals

[supple canopy]

you're not reducing throughput by having several trains on a same track, unless it's a very small track or you have serious problems in your design

[high basin]

Hi, Kind of new to the game and was curious. Does this grass coming through foundation disappear over time or will it always be there. Just a visual thing more than anything else.

[supple canopy]

people put 100+ trains on their system with no issues

[grave cove]

Someone told me you can use one single double way track with like 50+ trains as long as u use bloc signals to let trains run when other are in front

[supple canopy]

if it's foliage, you'll get tools to get rid of it. If it's grass grass, it's here to stay, you need to build higher to avoid it

[placid stirrup]

You do, if you have a rail network where trains cross/have to wait for each other.

[grave cove]

The right design would be using bloc signals kinda everywhere, right ?

[high basin]

It looks like grass grass, Thank you 😄

[supple canopy]

that would be a poorly designed intersection then

[normal orbit]

depending on the layout you've made, a single dual tracked system can field around 100 trains without major thruput losses

[supple canopy]

the general rule is path signal at the entrance of the intersection, block signal going out

[grave cove]

Ah yeah, blueprint is only 40 meters wide, maybe it's not useful to put that many bloc signals ?

[placid stirrup]

You can, you'll just be left with several different trains idling while they wait for the path to clear

[grave cove]

Wait, how do you define the end of a bloc signal ? Like how do you set the length of track that bloc signals works on ?

[supple canopy]

no, I'd put the block signals after laying everything (that's what I did)

[normal orbit]

one block = distance between two block signals

[placid stirrup]

Most people are using simple intersections, or have multiple trains going to a common station. Both of those will induce wait times and thus lower throughput.

That's great if you're making quadruple clover interchanges or whatever, but not everyone's doing that

[grave cove]

I'm not really sure how it works, let me build another part in my test track.

[normal orbit]

a simply bypass roundabout, which is not ideal for thruput can handle like 60-70 trains/min

[shy temple]

If wondering if path or block, it comes down to whether one train will interfere with another. So if you put block signals along a length, then it will give more clear signals. If the entire length of a track is a single block, then a new train won't enter until previous leaves.

[supple canopy]

okay so yes having several train going to the same station does reduce MAXIMUM throughput because you multiply the lockout time, max throughput which when it comes to trains requires convoluted maths that the same most people using simple intersection are far from trying to reach. Really, having a common rail system with 50 or 100 trains going through is not a problem, unless you really have a local train system or you're trying to convey close to 2400 items/min per freight car

[shy temple]

squareabout can handle trains as fast as they can pass through. zero crossover

One day I wil get around to making herringbone pylons for an interchange.

[grave cove]

roundabout supremacy 🇫🇷

[supple canopy]

le rond-point est dieu 🥖

[shy temple]

One way interchanges superior!

I spent far too long perfecting unmodded traffic flow in cities skylines ^.^

[normal orbit]

check openTTD wiki for junctions and intersections, can be replicated in satisfactory :p

[placid stirrup]

100% on the infinite amount of complex calculations haha. Good to know throughput is better than I anticipated for a global rail system, I think it comes down to preference in the end. I find networks a la Independency to work great for my purposes (and gives way to run rails in really cool places).

[grave cove]

say this instead "les rond point c'est vraiment une dinguerie"

[supple canopy]

yes you can definitly work with independent systems and they are cozy, my current playthrough is the first in which I made a worldwide railway loop

[grave cove]

@supple canopy As you seem to know a few things about trains, do you know why it says it's making a loop on itself pls ? Ty #design-and-architecture message

[placid stirrup]

We end up building at such a scale that each system feels like a 1/4 worldwide 🫠

[placid stirrup]

Do you have a block signal before each station? That's typically what does it in my experience

Can also happen when the signal is placed at the junction

[grave cove]

I added one at the start and at the end look #design-and-architecture message

ok it was bc i placed the other one at the intersection

[placid stirrup]

If you place one at the end as well, you need to create the blocks until the next junction/station as well

[grave cove]

Ok I think I understand bloc signals now yeah

[weak bloom]

I'm on phase 5 and only just realized you could snap mergers midway on lifts instead of just the top and bottom.......

I have been overcomplicating multiple floor logistics so much this entire time @_@

[placid stirrup]

And for the future, #1038092680493801533 is the dedicated spot for these things 🙂
Responses happen pretty quickly, typically

[grave cove]

@placid stirrup Check ur dms i dont wanna sam that other chan, do you know why it's saying this portion is busy on the right ? While the one on the left isnt

[grave cove]

yeah I usually ask there but figured this would be a very quick 1 question 1 answer, turned out it was a lot more xd

[lyric zodiac]

Can hypertubes go through the floor?

[placid stirrup]

I'd still post that one, I have some ideas but I usually don't do complicated intersections 😛

[elfin smelt]

yes

[wild phoenix]

Yep

They go thru the ground too

[elfin smelt]

theres even a floor hypertube hole bulding available to buy at thr awesome shop

[grave cove]

It was just a basic bloc signal at a intersection, but found out it was another visual bug, replacing the bloc signal fixed my issue.
I'll do more "complicated" intersections when I need them, for now i'm only building one single track and building my main blueprints

[supple canopy]

yes and generally a path signal at the end, because it they almost always merge back to the world railway

[elfin smelt]

altough it's mostly cosmetic, you can still pass the tube through the ground and it will work iirc

[lyric zodiac]

I meant the ground! 😄

I've found a cave with a ceiling that I could maybe get through - it's got SAM and lots of Quartz inside c:

[grave cove]

Trains look so much more fun when you understand how they work...

[placid stirrup]

I'm an idiot so I employ the KISS method, that also works great

[elfin smelt]

trains look daunting but when you look at it it's just go from A to B

[grave cove]

kiss method ? I'm not ready for kiss yet, mister

[hearty solar]

I have a feeling I know exactly what cave this is

[placid stirrup]

Keep
It
Simple,
Stupid

[placid stirrup]

We all do lmao

[grave cove]

Oh and now you insult me ? kiss and then insult ? wowwwwww

I'm really stupid tho, even out of the joke :C

[placid stirrup]

Nah that's why I'm saying I employ it haha, it's meant for me

[grave cove]

Took me 10 hours to understand that you can paste fractions instead of pourcentage in factories

[elfin smelt]

gotta love these acronyms

both the last word and the whole acronym makes you won't forget it ever

[little cobalt]

it doesn't get simpler than belt highway 😌

[novel niche]

I just explored the No Mans Land biome there's no animals or objects or nodes it's almost creepy

[grave cove]

yeah no thanks

[novel niche]

They should put stuff there

[night lotus]

huh

wha no mans land biome

[supple canopy]

I'll give you a hint, go near where there's a lot of coal nearby

[grave cove]

Quick question that will never happend if you build things correctly but, i found a scenario :
I have 3 railway stations that i'll name A, B and C

A and B are directly connected, but to get to C you need to come from the railway of station A.

I set the planning of my train to take this route A -> B -> C. But it's doing A -> B on repeat without ever going to C as to get to C it has to get to A first, is there no way to make this work ?

[novel niche]

It's like an island southwest of grassy fields

[night lotus]

ohhhhh the one next to the waterfall?

[novel niche]

Yes

[night lotus]

i have never been there acc

didnt know you could

[lyric zodiac]

You mean the cave entrance by the 4 riverside coal nodes?

[supple canopy]

it should go A -> B -> A (no stop) -> C. If it can't reach C it'll 404

[plucky bone]

I plan on making a factory there for all the parts eventually. Very cool spot cross the falls.

[supple canopy]

yes

[supple canopy]

oh nvm you found the entrance but you want a cheeky shortcut

[lyric zodiac]

I've found all 3! 😄

[supple canopy]

there are 4

[novel niche]

If you only feel like exploring you should go there but it's kinda weird how empty it is

[night lotus]

highkey i hate exploring i always get one of my friends to run around and collect the artifacts and stuff

[supple canopy]

build a 8 car train station in there and it's not empty not guilty

[grave cove]

Issue is if it goes to C this will happend :
A -> B -> A -> C -> A, which doesnt work because after B it's C and not A, and idk how to make it work

[novel niche]

It feels like it should have something

It's like the backrooms of satisfactory lol

[night lotus]

why not just get another train to go from a to c

[hard hemlock]

im having trouble with manifold conveyors, im using them to smelt lots of iron but the output isnt traveling fast enough so im producing way too much. Any suggestions?

[elfin smelt]

sound like your rail network needs a redesign

[grave cove]

because it's the scenario i was at

[lyric zodiac]

I'll have to find the other entrance tomorrow I guess 😄

[supple canopy]

my brother in christ what have you done

[elfin smelt]

it should be possible to go from B to C without any station in the way, bad for throughput

[grave cove]

I know xD Quick question that will never happend if you build things correctly but, i found a scenario

[grave cove]

I'm just testing stuff bc why not

[elfin smelt]

maybe theres a solution to that but I would just redesign the rail, because doing something like this again would be the same headache a second time

[grave cove]

It's a test track dont worry

[elfin smelt]

it's fine then

[night lotus]

im lost icl

[elfin smelt]

just be sure to make every station can access every other station without anything in the middle

when doing the real thing

[grave cove]

yeah, i'm doing one main double track with separate railways merging in and out dw

They need to add TGVs tho 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 🇫🇷

120 kmh is so slow

[elfin smelt]

I think it's capped like that for practical reasons (braking etc)

the map aint as big as the whole france

[grave cove]

Looks like theres a good feature that makes trains break before hitting curves too fast, pretty sure they could make that break start earlier with greater speeds

[grave cove]

Still takes a few minutes t oget from one corner to the other tho

Would be cool, imagine crusing at 575kmh

[west sluice]

hear me out
power slug desk lamp

[shy temple]

There is a company that makes merch like that. Rimworld has boomalope lights.

[west sluice]

OOOOOOOOO thank you

[shy temple]

Yeah, is a sleeping boomalope night light

Would be a perfect merch for satisfactory with slug lights

[dire needle]

how many fuel rods does a single power plant take per min?

[latent prawn]

0.2/min

[earnest condor]

Depends on clock speed and which type of fuel rod.

[dire needle]

and it gives 2500?

uranium fuel rod*

[earnest condor]

Uranium specifically is 0.2/min at 100% clock speed. And yes, it is 2500 MW.

[latent prawn]

yeah, the rods burn for 5 minutes at 100% or 2 minutes at 250%

[worn oar]

How much do you guys overbuild power? I build 2x peak consumption with >= 1 hour of power storages

[earnest condor]

Plutonium is 0.1/min at 100% clock, which is still 2500 MW.

[latent prawn]

plut ruds are 10 minutes per

[worn oar]

Or does it even matter

[earnest condor]

So much so that I never think about power.
And imo, Power Storages are a purely decorative building.

[little cobalt]

depends on how long you're going to play and how much you like temporarily sloop/overclocking

[earnest condor]

What if I like permanent sloop/overclocking?

[little cobalt]

i just build out power in modular chunks as needed

[worn oar]

I overclock almost everything until I have fewer than 100 shards, then I pick and choose until I can get more

[earnest condor]

Like it is a genuine challenge to find a non-sharded machine in my worlds 😄

[little cobalt]

then the extra juice is accounted for and power storage will stay irrelevant to you :p

[neon prairie]

does anyone know why satisfactory production planner (website) is down?

[earnest condor]

I mean, I don't account for juice at all.
That is how much power I build 🤷‍♂️

[worn oar]

"Best I can do is 1 TW, take it or leave it." -Sevrahn 2026

[earnest condor]

Pretty much 😄
Like I know my Phase 2 max limit is 3.6 GW from my coal plant standard.
But once I hit Phase 3 it's off to the oil-based races.

[leaden matrix]

Im tweaking rn, my entire nuclear production line shut down because one drone station thought it had no drone when it very clearly had a drone i dismantled it and replaced it and everything worked again😭

[little cobalt]

i'm the type to max sloop/oc for spelevator parts so i have massive temporary loads on my power system, which makes power storage relevant for my playstyle

[worn oar]

I wonder how much power you get from all oil, only oil, and only default recipes. Probably around 300GW?

[worn oar]

In other words, rushing to extract everything ASAP

[shell dove]

if i have two dimensional depots with the same item going into both, will the cloud storage space double for that one item?

[little cobalt]

same max amount, twice the upload speed

[shell dove]

damn

[leaden matrix]

It won't double the storage but itll double the upload speed ^^

[earnest condor]

12,600 Oil = 8,400 Fuel = 105 GW

[worn oar]

Oh that's not as much as I thought

[whole citrus]

Its more with alternate recipes

[little cobalt]

if you're hitting every node you have probably upgraded from vanilla fuel

[worn oar]

I know, that's why I said only default to emulate just rushing oil immediately without tons of exploration or save scumming

[stark blade]

@prisma timber i also forgot to add one of the images :/
theres one missing from the ones i posted in fanart

[prisma timber]

No problem

[whole citrus]

youd be a freak to get every oil node and not use HOR recipe lol

[stark blade]

i send all 7 in screenshots instead 👍

[prisma timber]

there's a way you could have seen them in full screen

[worn oar]

Counterpoint: you'd be a freak to use every oil node

[little cobalt]

would you call turbo/rocket fuel default? 🤔

[stark blade]

well if i zoom in its onily the tree so unless u can get me an image that zooms into a perfect fullscreen then no i cant :/

[earnest condor]

If you instead split it all evenly between Rubber and Plastic, you get exactly half that number (52.5 GW)
All of it purely to Rubber nets you 70 GW.

[prisma timber]

right click "Open link" it will take you to the browser where you can hit f11 and it will be full screen

[stark blade]

(also another mistake theres actuialy 8 images)

[whole citrus]

I concur 🙂‍↕️

[worn oar]

Is there even enough sulfur?

[earnest condor]

Turbofuel is an alternate.

[whole citrus]

How is it alternate if its the typical progression from fuel?

[earnest condor]

No no, freak status is when you use every oil node in the Spire Coast for the Poly Resin alt to max out Fabric production 😉

[worn oar]

Turbofuel is MAM, heavy turbofuel is alternate

[stark blade]

idk why but its not working perfectily

[earnest condor]

Because it requires an HDD to unlock.

[shy temple]

Fabric? Arg! I knew I forgot something!

I need to start making spicy filters and stinky rocks. Never do make them really much. XD

[stark blade]

its definitialy closer but its still not perfect

[worn oar]

For what??

[whole citrus]

So rocket fuel and ionized fuel is alternate?

[earnest condor]

Yes.

You can draw your lines differently 🤷‍♂️ Personally, if it requires an HDD, it is an alt.

[earnest condor]

Because? 😄

[prisma timber]

might have to crop it so it fits the screen

🤔

[stark blade]

i got a closer image tho i send in screenshots

however its so hard to get a good screenshot because the tv messes with my phone camrea

so taking a photo of it is not easy :/

[earnest condor]

Phone screenshots? 😭

[prisma timber]

Hit F11

[stark blade]

photos
u get what i mean bruh

[earnest condor]

No like why are we taking photos of our game when we can just press P?

[stark blade]

i tried and it dose nothing
remember im on some stupid hp laptop thing

[prisma timber]

ah

[little cobalt]

i assumed you were trying to take a photo of the screen for artistic purposes

[earnest condor]

P is the in-game photo mode.

[stark blade]

trying

[little cobalt]

try snipping tool with a delay if you're on windows

[stark blade]

the reason why is because duquep took a screenshot with a crt filter and i told em that i could put on a real crt XD

[prisma timber]

Fn + F11?

[little cobalt]

yeah, like CRT style? hold down ctrl and use mousewheel to zoom into most applications to make it fullscreen

[prisma timber]

god why laptops cant use standart keybinds

[stark blade]

but now im suffering with image quality problems :D

[stark blade]

yes however

discord = no

[prisma timber]

Alt + Enter might work also

https://tenor.com/view/glorgus-satisfactory-the-3th-gif-24216052

no glorgus gif :c

[stark blade]

hold i am doing shanaghans

then i try the link if this no work

[little cobalt]

why live :\

[prisma timber]

just to embed fail...

[stark blade]

BY THE SHEER POWER OF BULLSHIT I MADE IT WORK >:D

go to screenshots and i will show :)

:D

it onily took saving the image then loading the image in ms paint of all things

[little cobalt]

my god, you've done it

[stark blade]

u should see the setup for how im even making it work on the tv 💀

[little cobalt]

there's a reason we build logistics floors

[stark blade]

hdmi cable in
a lot of bullsh#t
antenna plug out 😭

[prisma timber]

lol

[stark blade]

theres at least $70 just in cables for this thing to work

[little cobalt]

do u at least play melee on it?

[stark blade]

thats not including the 2 converters and the horrendus power sonsumpition

[stark blade]

anything u can play on a laptop or anything with a hdmi output
u can run on this tv

[prisma timber]

im surprised that hs hdmi lmao

[stark blade]

nah

the tv is antenna plug onily

[prisma timber]

oh

[stark blade]

i had to do some weird sh#t to get it to work tho

i can show u if ya want XD

[prisma timber]

ye

lets see 👁️

[stark blade]

ight go to screenshots

laptop > hdmi
hdmi > RCA
RCA > cursed antenna plug
cursed antenna plug > regular antenna plug adapter
regular antenna plug > tv

thats how it works 😭

anyway imma go back to irl shanaghans
Duquep if u have any ideas for what to put on the crt just dm me or smth

bye bye for now

[prisma timber]

alr!

looks insane xd

[stark blade]

not that hard to use

but a bit of a pain to setup

[little cobalt]

i recommend itch io horror games and/or minecraft mods

[stark blade]

laptop canot do mc

it dies when u look at a single block of fire :(

[worn oar]

You can technically turn leaves into ionized fuel 👀

Well, part of it

[little cobalt]

i would be interested to see a setup where biocoal is used effectively

[stark blade]

h o w ?

[worn oar]

Biocoal and converter to sulfur

[stark blade]

hm

sounds abt right

[whole citrus]

If I have 8 refineries (producing 800 HOR) going into 16 refineries making packaged fuel (that each take 50 HOR), what is the best way to break down piping for that? cause the pipes will never be full, should i use mk1 pipes?

[south sinew]

800 HOR/min is well in excess of the 300/min mk1 pipes do

that sounds like 3 pipes woorth

[fluid sapphire]

Could do 4

Divides nicer

Micromanaging the level of your pipes is pointless, you can just use mk2

[worn oar]

It's fine for pipes to be partially full

[whole citrus]

I meant splitting it

[fluid sapphire]

That divides nicely into 2 or 4 groups, take your pick

[earnest condor]

(This is relevant even if you don't immediately see why)

What was your initial Coal Power setup?

[fluid sapphire]

If you're alluding to piping it like the 3:8 water/coal gen, whatever for? People way too obsessed about trying to maximise flow rate

Just pipe how it's convenient

With numbers like 8 and 16 why not work with factors of 2

[south sinew]

the point of the 3:8 is to minimize space/power usage for the water extractors

[worn oar]

My extremely lazy way to split pipes is to just get the number of pipe-filling machines that is <= my pipeline capacity. So I don't remember the recipe but if it's like 50 per machine 12 machines are going in one pipe and 4 in the other

[south sinew]

not very relevant in thee HOR case I agree

[fluid sapphire]

It's usually easier to work with even groups

[fierce granite]

also its easier to work with flows less than the max pipe capacity, its a bit more forgiving

[fluid sapphire]

Even more reason to divide into small subgroups

[worn oar]

But then you don't get to see the full pipe sections when you look over everything

[earnest condor]

Multiple people who aren't them answered, and neither of you got why I asked the question. 😁

[fluid sapphire]

What you talking about, you can still have full pipes at literally any flow rate

[fluid sapphire]

Ok, so how is it relevant?

[earnest condor]

🙃

[fluid sapphire]

Aside from the relation of exceeding pipe capacity and having to figure out an alternate pipe layout I couldn't think of anything else that would somehow tie it to this situation

[whole citrus]

I honestly cant remember but i did have the pipes 100% utilized for mk1 pipes (all of the 300m3 water equally split)

[earnest condor]

oof

Then I have no parallels to draw because I have never heard of it being done that way 😬

[clear skiff]

is there a command in tilda to kill all the mobs around you?'

[earnest condor]

No, but you can just turn on passive mode from gameplay options at any time.

[warped whale]

Pipes are annoying enough already.

[dim sentinel]

im working on a factory that will make copper sheets, cable, copper wire, iron plates, iron rods, reinforced iron plates and modular frames but i dont know if i should use a load balancer set up for the smelters or a manifold

[cold berry]

I use both depending on the need. You just kinda gotta get a feel for it. But I use manifolds more often, and load balancers are for when I specifically want no "boot up" time. So, it's good for when you want consistency even when you turn it on. Or maybe you just have extra room you wanna take up :p

Manifolds work for like, most things tho

Manifolds do fail when trying to do "just" amounts though. Because if you put 250 screws into a line 5 times, and need it to do it so that it sends 50 down each hole, manifolds won't do that

So it you don't need that, manifold should be fine

[real shale]

I apologise I have been very busy with uni work but, project grassy fields rebuild is going well so far, managed to get 15 magnetic field generators/min automated out of it

Just haven't been able to look at it lately because I've been doing like 1 million different things at once lol

[river ingot]

Yeah I agree using both is usually a good idea
With lots of machines sometimes it can be tricky with load balancing as you have to use a lot of space

[real shale]

I am hoping to get some time to build the city further, experimental has been a blast to work with, been able to seemlessly integrate trucks into my logistics now and it feels so good

[dim sentinel]

i think a load balancer would be better but i did the math and it doesnt split evenly because i have 240 iron ore input going into the smelters but there is 8 smelters and 240 splits 80 going left, 80 going up and 80 going right but the smelters need 90 so i assume a manifold would be better here right?

[cold berry]

What phase are you in?

[dim sentinel]

im doing a new run so i havent gotten the 50 smart plates yet

[cold berry]

At a certain point it becomes necessary to use logistics like trucks and trains to bring more raw material together than what you could in the beginning. Or to upgrade to a higher tier of miner if you unlock that. How are you getting 240 into the smelters with 120 belts, two inputs?

[dim sentinel]

i have two pure iron nodes and copper nodes

[cold berry]

Yeah but the mk2 belts only carry 120 right?

[river ingot]

You cab also use a mix of load balancing and manifolds for 1 line

Can make a balancing setup of say 1 to 2 to 4
And then have those 4 belts go to a manifold setup going to 4 machines each
So you have 4 sets of 4 machines with separate manifold belts. It won't be as quick to start up as balancing every machine but its still faster than 1 manifold line

[cold berry]

I'm on mk2 in my save rn and I swore it was 120 lol

[river ingot]

MK2 is 120

MK3 is 270
MK4 is 480

[cold berry]

Ugh why isn't it just 240. It works better with a couple machines but whyyyyyy

Why 270 out of nowhere, and then back to normal numbering

It drives me insane

[river ingot]

Its a little annoying but it can allow you to overclock a node and just make a little more

I think that might be the intention, to teach you "Hey you should over clock your miners" by making it slightly more than 240

[earnest condor]

Define "normal numbering" 😁

[dim sentinel]

so should i use a manifold line for the 8 smelters or just keep the load balancer i set up

[river ingot]

You would think the belt capacity would just double
You go
60
120
270???
480

[earnest condor]

Because most solid items in the game get produced in multiples of 45.
Which pairs with 270, but no other belt.

[river ingot]

Would make more sense with the scaling for it to be 240

[earnest condor]

So my question is "why 480"?

[earnest condor]

Read the above.

Also, if you think 270 should have been 240 "to keep doubling", wait until you see the mk5 😁

[dim sentinel]

i did the math and i would need to overclock the miners to mine 270 ore per minute in order to get an even 90 split on my load balancer set up

[dense violet]

no one is forcing you to use all 270

[worn oar]

I'm forcing me to use all 270

[dense violet]

guess it doesn't bother you that much

[dim sentinel]

should i just use a manifold set up cause the load balancer is really annoying me

[glossy nova]

almost always yes

[dim sentinel]

ok 👍

[dense violet]

they both work equally well

[glossy nova]

good example for not: feeding uranium fuel rods to reactors. you want those low-flow suckers spread evenly right from the start.

[dim sentinel]

the thing is i dont know if a manifold will work with 8 smelters at 240 input

[dense violet]

they work in essentially all situations

even the uranium rod example weasel gave

just takes time to spin up the reactors, like every other manifold

[glossy nova]

yep, time's the catch

[dim sentinel]

well i have a lot of time

[dense violet]

go do literally anything else while the reactors spin up

[glossy nova]

manifolds are easy and clean

[dim sentinel]

ive decided to not automate rotors until i get steel cause i refuse to work with screws

and i will die on this hill of mine

[dense violet]

why? just build the screws right before they get consumed. Like direct feed

[wise junco]

it's not a choice i would make

[glossy nova]

sure. using steel rotor with standard stator means just two ingredients.

[earnest condor]

Fill manifolds (even nuclear) faster by just somering the preceeding step. 🤷‍♂️

[glossy nova]

but you might need some in the meantime.

there's a difference between early parts-on-hand automation and long-term big-scale automation.

expect to tear stuff down as you get better recipes, belts, etc.

[dim sentinel]

yeah i guess i wont die on my hill

rotors are annoying

[dense violet]

people get screw trauma because they don't know how to manage some basic logistics.
just build the screws right before consumption

screw recipes can give you really compact systems

[glossy nova]

there's worse. 😆

[dim sentinel]

i cant wait

[glossy nova]

every part that uses screws has a more efficient non-screw alternate. greeny made a write-up for that a long time ago.

[dense violet]

I don't think that is true, specifically about rotors. Greeny loves Copper rotors for efficiency and they use screws

[glossy nova]

and there are even more options now for specific scenarios with the iron pipe recipe, for instance.

[dense violet]

and you can get really good resource efficiency off Steel Rod + Base Screw

and Iron pipe is ... attrocious for resource efficiency

I think iron is a trash resource and iron pipe is an attrocity

[glossy nova]

not material efficient, but infrastructure-efficient in the iron pipe case.

[dense violet]

most screw recipes are more compact than other recipes

so thats not correct either

[glossy nova]

want automated nobelisks somewhere? iron pipe.

one-off oddballs.

[dense violet]

you still need coal for the black powder, not sure what you're saving ther e

[glossy nova]

every recipe is an option in the swiss army knife of possibilities.

[little cobalt]

iron pipe is just for convenience :)

[glossy nova]

no steel infrastructure. that's a win.

[dim sentinel]

im using satisfactory modeler and i have a set up that mixes copper and iron to end up with copper sheets, cable, copper wire, iron plates, iron rods, reinforced iron plates and modular frames but i might get rid of the modular frames and change them out for rotors

[little cobalt]

you'll want lots of cubes later on; probably to the point you make their own factory

so not a bad idea

[dim sentinel]

so should i change out the frames for rotors?

[little cobalt]

if you wanna. the cubes have really nice alt recipes if you end up making a new factory later too

[dim sentinel]

iin this save i actually wanna get far into the game so im gonna make modular factorys around the map so im gonna swap the frames for rotors

but the real question is should i use the copper rotor recipe or the regular rotor recipe

[slender oxide]

when do you unlock coal power

im tired of running around for bushes to make biofuel

[glossy nova]

eventually, consider thinking about what you need/want per minute across all products. having a supply of parts in storage isn't particularly useful for long term, large scale production. parts per minute is the calculation for scale. just beating the game (i.e., completing the space elevator tasks) does not require a ton of forethought. it can be done with temporary stuff easily enough.

[little cobalt]

after the first shipment of smart plates

[slender oxide]

https://giphy.com/gifs/folk-conquest-invincible-JBlHK2uKczddMF5uX5

damn no gifs

[little cobalt]

get chainsaw and go lumberjacking to make the biofuel phase easier (and also make sure to compress everything down)

[slender oxide]

meh oh well, the grind continues

[dim sentinel]

i reckon ill do the copper rotors because it would make it so i can have the rods go into a storage container and have the rods make screws instead of the rods being used for the rotors and to make screws for the rotors

[slender oxide]

compress everything? wdym

[little cobalt]

leaves/wood > biomass > solid biofuel

automate at least the last step (a box > constructor > box is fine)

[glossy nova]

@slender oxide and unlock somersloop overclocking to quadruple your solid biofuel....

[little cobalt]

i am always into coal power before i have sloops unlocked but ymmv

[latent prawn]

rotors are about the only thing you'll need screws to make. there's a few other recipes, but they all kinda suck to use

[slender oxide]

ohhh okay

ty :D

[little cobalt]

np :)
enjoy, the first playthrough is the most fun

[grave cove]

Why is there no half length ramps ? Theres half foundations but no half ramps..

Or i missed it

[slender oxide]

got it

aw i cant upload pictures either?

[little cobalt]

ya this discord is pretty locked down. can post in #screenshots

[white dawn]

Honestly most channels do allow image uploads, but not the "main" channels (this and the consoles channel).
#screenshots is for "hey look at this cool shot" type uploads
#1038092680493801533 is often the most convenient place for asking technical questions
#design-and-architecture is great for design/architecture questions
#math-and-meta is great for getting chunky with the numbers, etc

[slender oxide]

oh okay, so i should be in questions and help. thank you :D

[white dawn]

Creating a new post in #1038092680493801533 does require adding a tag to the post, btw -- sometimes trips people up. Just "PC" or "Console" are useful ones nowadays

Technical questions are also fine in here; this is sort of just general game chat. But if your question could be helped out by screenshots (or it's just involved enough that you don't want it to get buried in other chatter) then #1038092680493801533 is great for it. :)

[slender oxide]

oh

this sounds stupid but how do i delete buildings?

[dim sentinel]

are you on pc or console

[slender oxide]

pc

[dim sentinel]

press f

to enter dismantle mode

[slender oxide]

oh

[dim sentinel]

and if you hold control and go over buildings you can tag buildings to dismantle up to 50 at once

[slender oxide]

i guess i shoulda that of that

[slender oxide]

oooo

[dense violet]

you can post images and gifs in basically every other channel other than gen chat xD not sure how locked down that is xD

[dense violet]

look below your cursor whenever you're doing stuff, different short cuts exist and the keys for them are labled there

[cursive topaz]

Guys are hard drives a finite resource?

[dense violet]

technically no, you can buy them with coupons

[ornate saffron]

there is more in the game then you can use

[dense violet]

there are more hard drives than recipes though on the map

[cursive topaz]

Ah so no need to worrry I just need to advance enough so all the irradiated ones can’t kill me on sight

[white dawn]

Yeah, there's actually not too many which are protected by radiation

Also you have a much-extended interaction distance when using a parachute; a lot of times you can just float above those areas and grab the drives that way. :)

[cursive topaz]

Not in my hyper tube travel

[dim sentinel]

i love this absolutely amazing game but my adhd riddled mind cant sit still to set up my factory so i end up watching youtube with like 2 smelters placed and nothing else

[cursive topaz]

Just set and end goal plan out the base and go

It helps to have two monitors I’m watching tron atm

[dim sentinel]

i have three

instead of watching youtube im gonna watch house m.d cause i need to finish it and i wont be changing videos every like half an hour

should i have all my smelters merge into one lane and have a manifold lane for the constructors?

[little cobalt]

i'll stop calling it locked down when i can freely post glorp emojis

[dense violet]

you're allowed to be objectively wrong about many things

[little cobalt]

:cathandshake:

[quartz orbit]

It would be cool if the vehicle paths had some variety types. Like dont go on this path if you aren't picking up, dropping off, or refueling

[dim sentinel]

no one answered my question 🙁

[dense violet]

if you want?