satisfactory

[faint willow]

Because it's a giant chasm

[worn oar]

Want another hint

[faint willow]

Sure, I literally just woke up so the more the better

[worn oar]

Though the coal may be stranded on an island, a long winding passage won't require you to bridge to that island. Beware the spiders.

[fluid sapphire]

its under something that coincides with a recent meme burger

[white dawn]

SAM can be difficult to find, and is often found in out-of-the-way spots, including high up. Though in those cases you can also just use foundations/ladders/catwalks/ziplines/etc to get them

They're often found in caves, too, and at least one or two of them are essentially just out in the open

[fiery root]

Finally rebuilt my iron factory

It was absolute necessary

[mortal ginkgo]

Good. Now you know what to do. Expand. EXPAND! MORE AND MORE!

[mild finch]

@leaden cosmos just don't put it in straight, ez fix

[leaden cosmos]

yyyeee

[faint willow]

So I found the spot, I 100% found the spot, and yet somehow even with arachnophobia mode turned on, I'm still getting the fight or flight trigger because of the big-ass spider down there

one very long, angry meow as it tried to get up to me at mach jesus

[ornate saffron]

they scary for sure

[stiff sorrel]

I have a freight cargo place with belts, why are the belts not going into it?

The items just stop and don't go in, im very puzzled

[worn oar]

Powered?

[stiff sorrel]

they don't take power

I have a railway station next to that is powered

[static current]

is it connected to it?

[worn oar]

Freight platforms take 50 MW

[stiff sorrel]

It doesn't give the option to give power to the platform

[worn oar]

Rails conduct power, is it connected?

[stiff sorrel]

Yes

it goes from the station straight to platform

Does it need some track first?

[worn oar]

I think so? Not sure, I have only barely played with trains

Check the wiki

[empty bridge]

hi all. how do you automaticaly collect leaves while running?

[worn oar]

Hold E

[ornate saffron]

hold E when you pickup the first one. then just keep holding and running

[empty bridge]

thanks

[spare prism]

Hi

[ornate saffron]

hi

[fluid sapphire]

is the station oriented correctly?

curved side outwards, like so

#screenshots message

[low sage]

do floor holes still always count as 4m in terms of headlift?
or was that about volume, and has headlift always worked correctly with them?
I did some testing and 1m floor holes have correct headlift (which is good, but a shame cause I was gonna use the 3m difference to do something silly)

[ornate saffron]

they do nothing for headlift treat them like a normal pipe segment

[low sage]

sorry, I'm not sure what you mean

[ornate saffron]

only machines effect headlift. a floor hole is not a machine

[low sage]

I didn't mean to imply that they would add headlift

I meant that a 1m tall floor hole would count as 4m of vertical distance
this in turn could be used to create headlift by going down through a floor hole, then up through a pipe, using the 3m difference in space
but it seems 1m floor holes are just 1m tall on the inside; I don't know where I heard this rumor, maybe it's something that was fixed ages ago

[leaden cosmos]

how much rotors + reinforced plates could i realisticly do on the 2 normal + 2 impure drills of iron? on the 2 normals it feels like i could do maybe 2 plates + 1 rotors? but any more would prolly be too much. so maybe 2-3 plates + 1-2 rotors total?

[low sage]

I recommend using a calculator or (my favorite) Satisfactory Modeler to work out the math

[ornate saffron]

treat them as pipes. if you use it on a 1m foundation treat it as a 1m pipe

[low sage]

right, I understand

[wanton sky]

How does the batteries work do they just charge of all the extra power thats being made?

[tall lantern]

if you mean power storage then yes

[empty bridge]

guys. what happens if you dismantle a storage container if it has items in it?

[cold berry]

Hell yeah, 3rd playthrough time. I unlocked phase 4, dicked around a little bit, and went "I know how to plan logistics better now" and restarted in plains.

Doing a megafactory that gets most of its throughput with trains and trucks now

(although I am on random nodes and found a place in the plains with somehow like 7/9 of the non-volatile miner nodes. Everything but Bauxite and SAM. So that helps lol, but I'm just funneling those nodes into the vehicle depots with conveyors lol)

[fiery root]

My damn power output went skyrocketing as soon as i upgraded to coal
As if i would progressively need more power for my plans

[cold berry]

When you get a good supply of power shards and start working on manufacturer/refinery/other higher tier items

Then you will need so much power

[fiery root]

And apparently coal is needed for production as well.
So imma build a truck highway delivering me coal from another node

Cause no way imma take some of my 3 cluster nodes
They are designated to produce enough power needed

[topaz copper]

@shrewd kestrel I asked it lol

[elfin smelt]

all will go to your inventory

[shrewd kestrel]

lol

so, I start with "node fragments'' and I can use them to create a node. Then, I drill them and get them in a constructor. for every 50 of those ores, I can make 1 fragment and I need 20 fragments to make a node

[mild finch]

oh i thought you were on the void near the mushroom lake lmao

[shrewd kestrel]

nahh its a ''skyblock'' mod. I like it cuz theres less lag and its more fun

[mild finch]

oh non

du français

🥀

[shrewd kestrel]

huh?

nahh my game is stuck like that idk how to change it

[mild finch]

lmfao

[shrewd kestrel]

jkjk, I am french but I'm canadian french

not france french

[ornate saffron]

Oh, so you switch from English to french mid conversation. At least Euro french pick a language 😛

[shrewd kestrel]

lmao sort of

we speak ''Frenglish''

[frozen ingot]

new playthrough and my design for a coal power plant has been ruined by the fact that i can't build a water extractor where there is obviously deep water 😐

[shrewd kestrel]

fyi, younger french speakers speak just like us but without our accent

[frozen ingot]

grr 😄

[ornate saffron]

Im also canadian lol

[shrewd kestrel]

I think its time that you git gud and quadriple the production

[mild finch]

oh really? i thought you guys were passionate about not mixing english in your french whatsoever

[shrewd kestrel]

this sounds satire

[mild finch]

it's not

[shrewd kestrel]

I'm not sure

[unkempt blade]

this should really be its own subtitle/translation option

[shrewd kestrel]

hm?

[mild finch]

you guys's cars movie released as "les bagnoles" didn't it?

[shrewd kestrel]

lmao, here in quebec, we do translate movie names a little too litterally

[mild finch]

yk

this type of stuff

yall have expressions we don't have in france

cos we just use an english term

although, ig if enough of the youth is online enough, english mixing in is inevitable

[shrewd kestrel]

theres a translator for quebec french, its pretty funny and somehow accurate

my wifi is so slow omg

ill check my driver

[mild finch]

@mortal ginkgo it finally clicked, i realised you were that person that keeps making these sick designs with electric blue light

[worldly moss]

My power grid fuse keeps blowing

[zenith fjord]

how much power are you using

[mortal ginkgo]

heya, thanks and thats probably me who went complete sicko with them. I got more experience and all my stuff can be found at #design-and-architecture ❤️

[mild finch]

it reminded me of something, but i just have so many deja vus that i kinda vrote it off

[fiery root]

Wdym my truck needs the same lame biofuel?

[worn oar]

Do we know when 1.2 will be released?

[mild finch]

but now i wanna try indigo

[cold berry]

I am using a catch-all coal system, even during the sole coal power stage. And honestly? If the lights go out? They go out. I'll find another coal node, and I'll fire up another truck.

[worldly moss]

I added 6 bio burners thinking it was that

[mortal ginkgo]

no. but suspecting 3 to 4 months. I would say 3 because its pretty stable albeit some weird bugs. But you never know.

[worldly moss]

1.1 made it unplayable for me for a while

[cold berry]

One of my goals for my current run is to have power switches to all the machine clusters. It'll be a bitch lol

[worldly moss]

When they jumped the GPU Minimum

[sharp light]

Why is my FPS dropping so much? lmao

[white dawn]

For each factory, or each machine? Note that machines themselves already have an integrated "standby" switch

[cold berry]

I changed it to clusters

[worldly moss]

I made the mistake of hooking everything on one grid

[cold berry]

I saw the error lol

[white dawn]

Having a single unified power grid is the usual thing to do, fwiw

[cold berry]

"cluster" will vary, but like, an entire reinforced plate line on a power switch, for instance

[frozen ingot]

what's wrong with having one grid?

[sharp light]

If you guyz know of a mod that increases stack counts, could you suggest one?

[worldly moss]

It's a issue when a fuse blows

[white dawn]

The real issue there is just not building power big enough. :D If you're on bio fuel still, make sure to take advantage of belt-fed inputs and automatic solid biofuel production.

[left bane]

Hai just curious as a begainner what is the best map to pic i do know that you are able to freely travel but still just wanted to ask just in case thanks 🙂

[bitter grotto]

#screenshots message how did i get 500/250

[white dawn]

Drop leaves/wood/remains into some dedicated bins; everything else happens naturally. :)

[shy temple]

It is all one map, only start is different

[white dawn]

It doesn't matter. Pick whatever you like. The descriptions the game gives you aren't misleading

[sharp light]

My system specifications are as follows "msi 5060ti 16g,r5 7500F, ddr5 6000mhz 2x16g ram, 2tb 7250-6300mb ssd" I play the game on the highest settings. Even if I create a new save file from scratch, I experience FPS drops. I uninstalled and reinstalled the game and verified the files. What do you think the problem could be?

Lowering the settings didn't help.

[worn oar]

Could be a bunch of things

[sharp light]

IK

[worn oar]

Try #1038092680493801533

[worn oar]

Grassy fields is well-designed, arguably the best designed. Many experienced players start in the desert. You can eventually access all areas

[sharp light]

I've tried a few things but haven't found a solution I think it's a driver bug.

I'm sure my system can handle this game easily :/

[wise junco]

hewwo

[feral vector]

is transporting stuff downhill with pipes not that bad or is it just going smoothly cause it's a gas hmmm

[wise junco]

downhill won't be a problem liquid or gas

[unkempt blade]

yeah gas is always easy

[clear aspen]

for coop worlds, how do you make the default personalized to you

[unkempt blade]

All swatches are shared. Use a different one if you want your own colors

[fiery root]

How many generators can u spark with one coal node?
It is between 3 and 6. That is my current state of research

[frozen ingot]

got wet concrete before i've even unlocked refineries 🤔

[ornate saffron]

ya, its one of the odd balls

[frozen ingot]

guess so, thought the alt recipe system was locked behind whatever you've already unlocked, so to speak

still, took it anyway

not chancing rerolls on a recipe i'll eventually want even if it is two phases away 😄

[floral sparrow]

Would anyone know why slooped constructors don't double the first output after being slooped?

[wise junco]

i can't tell you why, they just never have. i think it's because changes only affect after they're put into place, not the cycle theyre in

in high-stakes situations (e.g., slugs), i've always done a dummy construction cycle first, then once slooping is working, switched to slugs

[weary gate]

Satisfactory needs boats

And tankers

[orchid zinc]

What happens if two autopilot trucks drive into each other?

[shy temple]

They bounce off eachother a bit, and then reset if off node for a period of time

So any time they lose the path or crash, they reset

It just takes like 10/15 seconds before it recognizes there is an issue

[whole robin]

Theres not many bodies of water that're inland, so i wouldn't really see a point to them aside from moving along the outside of the map

[wise junco]

🍌

[rough shore]

cargo ships frfr

[weary gate]

It needs a very narrow strait

[worn oar]

I somehow managed to disconnect my coal plant from my main grid while running off to do oil and didn't realize for another 23 hours until I started making motors 💀

[whole robin]

Where do you suggest this strait to go?

[reef basin]

not really. Each alt recipe is locked behind a milestone (or more), and not always behind the one that would unlock the "base" recipe

[cold berry]

I don't want cargo ships because the map isn't built for it tho. I will say, a game like this but with islands or an island map in this would be cool. Maybe a big rivers map

But the way the world is now, I see no need for the fourth option in OpenTTD to be brought here

(boats)

Also what would even be the logistics of connecting the boats to land?

[fiery root]

A big port

I just built a truck highway bringing me steel to my factory!

[feral vector]

anyone know why a hypertube branch would just dissappear after placing it lol. it's still there it's just invisible

[strange vortex]

What do i do while waiting for items to finish phase 2? In #screenshots I will send how much i have rn

[fiery root]

Optimizing your factory

Getting more coal and coal generators

[fluid sapphire]

go and collect some slugs, spheres, sloops

[frozen ingot]

so it seems!

just thought their was a building requirement mixed in, i guess

wet concrete prerequisite is simply coal power in tier 3, interestingly

i wonder if any other alt recipes have this potential

[reef basin]

pure recipes iirc

[weary gate]

How do I stop fluid buffers draining

[worn oar]

Send more fluid into them

[reef basin]

usually you don't build fluid buffes, as they mostly mess up flow

[weary gate]

Do they always drain

[worn oar]

I believe in your ability to answer this question.

[stark ridge]

I just made dimensional depot for turbofuel. I take it I must grab the fuel for my jetpack every time I need more? just making sure there is option like "take fuel for jetpack from dimensional depot directly" or something?

[feral vector]

rip lol accidentally disconnected power from my trains

[worn oar]

Yes you have to do it

[weary gate]

Wow that’s super un helpful

[worn oar]

Let me rephrase: it's a stupid question and even the most basic logic would answer it in the time it took you to reply to me.

[wise junco]

^

if draining, output > input

[weary gate]

Why do they drain with no output?

[wise junco]

backflow

[weary gate]

Makes sense.

[wise junco]

the ports on buffers have arrows both ways, so fluid can flow either direction as the dynamics call for it

[worn oar]

If you don't like that ^ you can use a valve

[weary gorge]

Does anyone know what version of FSR satisfactory uses?

[cold berry]

2 Caterium >2 Copper >1 Crystal >1 limestone >3 Iron > 1 Coal > 1 Sulfur

Big node clusters become so OP to start a base on if you get lucky in random nodes mode. Holy shit I'm set it feels like as long as I make a proper truck system for supplementing it

And then trains later for overkill

Just got get Bauxite and SAM in here

And the other non-miner resources. But there's oil not too far.

[rough shore]

orrrrrr u can do just 1 train with a hundred carts and 100 engines

[reef basin]

they do not have specific input or output

[reef basin]

and no, you shouldn't use valves

[glad carbon]

I have many metal

[wise junco]

good job

[ebon marten]

Throughput would be incredibly slow doing that. Especially if it needs to keep stopping at 50+ train stations

[deft sluice]

Hmmm

Thinking about if i want to do 1300 turbofuel/min factory right after coal plants

2x power consumption so i need to scale up bigtime..

actually i probably don't have the belts to make that work

[white dawn]

You could do Turbofuel if you want, of course, but FYI you tend to get more "bang for your buck" so to speak with the Diluted recipes instead. It's still just regular Fuel in the end, but you get a lot more of it, without having to spend the coal+sulfur

(There is, of course, nothing stopping you from doing Diluted and Turbo, but that way lies madness. Save your Fuel Gen Spam for rocket fuel, IMO. :)

[deft sluice]

oh yeah the idea is to go diluted

[white dawn]

That said, if you're building somewhere which already has coal+sulfur right next to oil, then Turbofuel's not awful for power. But Diluted will take your oil further regardless

[deft sluice]

thing is i'm doing 2x power consumption and 5x elevator parts

so i need to scale up very hard

[white dawn]

Oh ha, well godspeed then. :P

[deft sluice]

i have 32 coal gens out + alien generator and i'm basically out of power already

[white dawn]

(best asked in #satisfactory-experimental then, btw -- this channel's really supposed to just be about Public stuff. I realize your question is somewhat generic, but for a vanilla public playthrough those plans would be a bit extreme for most. :)

[deft sluice]

and i haven't done anything high tech, my most advanced thing is a basic ass plastic/rubber factory

[white dawn]

I tend to leave Phase 2 with anywhere from 48-64 coal gens even on vanilla, so 32 certainly isn't bad. :D

Though yeah, if you've got access to fuel then fuel will scale out much more easily anyway

[stuck canopy]

is geothermal generators know for being bad for performance?

[white dawn]

Nah, should be fine

[deft sluice]

i'm also using random nodes so the traditional locations aren't useable

4 oil nodes in grassy hills but no water to work with

[stuck canopy]

fps drops to a slideshow as soon as i look at it, can fly around at +60 but not when looking at it

[worn oar]

I have 58 coal generators in the lake hole right now and haven't started on advanced phase 3 parts yet lol

[cold berry]

Can 3 water pumps over one mk1 pipe power 12 coal generators?

Or am I going to have to double pipe this

IDK

[neat anvil]

Math

[deft sluice]

3 water pumps is 360/min and a mk1 pipe handle 300/min

[worn oar]

No

[white dawn]

mk1 Pipes have a max throughput of 300/min. How much water are your extractors extracting?

(also it's a "water extractor," not a pump. I realize that in terms of the English language, they're pumping water, but "pumps" are a different thing in the game. :)

[deft sluice]

there's pipe configurations that will allow it

on a single pipe

[white dawn]

Uh, not really

Any system that's sending 360/min water to coal gens is using more than one "feeder" pipe

It might be one pipe system, yes, but there is literally no way to get more than 300/min throughput out of a single bit of pipe

[cold berry]

I'll just do 2 pipes, 4 extractors and 12 maxed coal generators because that worked last run lol. I'll have to make a blueprint for a double-pipe pipeline though.

[deft sluice]

well i mean it's using water physics in pipes to run all 360 water in a 300 pipe

[white dawn]

Anyway, you can certainly hook three 120/min Extractors up to eight 45/min coal gens, for a total consumption of 360/min water. You need some more creative piping solutions, though

The wiki's got various layouts if you want to sort of "cheat" your way there

Search at the wiki for CG and they'll be near the bottom. :)

[white dawn]

No, those systems do not let you exceed the 300/min limit. Every working 360/min pipe layout for coal gens in some way routes water through different pipes so that the 300/min limit is never violated

[cold berry]

Will my maxed out 2 extractors, 12 maxed out coal, 2 pipelines work? Or should I do 10. I did 10 last time. I could do the math. I'll do that.

I'll math fine

[worn oar]

What is 6x45

[neat anvil]

Sometimes math just doesn’t work though

[white dawn]

Yeah, you've just gotta make sure the numbers work out at every step. Extractors give you x/min, coal gens need y/min, and pipes have their max z/min throughput. So long as your production+consumption match, and you're not trying to send more than the pipe's throughput through, it should work.

[deft sluice]

I think we're arguing semantics here, i understand it's not actually holding the full 360 at once, but for simplicity's sake i'm just calling it that way

[white dawn]

The most "convenient" setup for coal gens is generally 3 Extractors (120/min production) to 8 coal gens (45/min consumption), but as I say -- it requires some creative piping since the pipe limit for mk1 pipes is 300/min

[wise junco]

wat

[worn oar]

I like 4/8, extractor @90

[white dawn]

We're discussing something highly technical so it makes sense to speak technically. "using water physics in pipes to run all 360 water in a 300 pipe" is flat out wrong, and could be misleading. :)

I don't agree that it's just semantics. It's important for understanding to get the terms right.

[stuck canopy]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1492631982155497523 me too but fuel generators instead

[deft sluice]

we'll agree to disagree

[white dawn]

If you say so, but I'll continue to correct you if you're giving advice I think is misleading/wrong. :)

[stuck canopy]

now a question where da hell do i build 80 more generators ...

[worn oar]

I should hope 8.75 GW is enough to finish phase 3

[deft sluice]

Up probably

[neat anvil]

Will splitting a suchi belt always cause throughput issues? Mine doesn’t work even though my math is right

[wise junco]

sushi belts require a lot of care

[stuck canopy]

already at 10 GW and still got a full mk2 pipe of turbo fuel

[stuck canopy]

yea but smoke stacks ....

[neat anvil]

I made sure to not let it overflow but later machines aren’t getting enough

[wanton sky]

How do you choose too go too the side in a hypertube junction?

[neat anvil]

It should give you a button prompt to change directions

[hidden sluice]

How do you delete a Blueprint?

[stuck canopy]

overflow should go to sink to not clog belts

[wanton sky]

didnt show anything for me

[neat anvil]

It is

[wise junco]

essentially you've got a manifold with extra ingredients. if later machines aren't getting enough, there's either a production or throughput issue or it needs longer to spin up

[white dawn]

I admit I've never actually done that myself. I can imagine a worst-case scenario in which you purely by chance have all of one material go one way and all of the other material go the other way. It just round-robins the input, after all, so the order your materials get to the splitter could matter

[neat anvil]

I have an idea to fix, I’ve done my math multiple times and it’s fine and pre filling still doesn’t work

[white dawn]

If the stuff on your belt happens to go A, B, A, B, A, B, A, B, then each side is gonna end up starving on one of its inputs. Even if you try doing loopbacks you could end up with the exact same problem on the next runthroughs

[wise junco]

if pre-filling doesnt work, that means not enough product is getting from A to B, so something is wrong with production or throughput

[neat anvil]

I honestly don’t remember if I already did this but I’m gonna add a smart splitter to the end of the manifold and set one to overflow to sink

If it is I’m actually a fool

Either way I got rid of the suchi belt I did it cause it looks cool but it’s not needed in my case

[fringe shadow]

#screenshots message is that enough to complete phase 4?

[violet glen]

It's not flatlining 🤔

[wise junco]

all depends on how you build it and how long you wanna wait

[violet glen]

I'd say 40GW is plenty to complete Phase 4, if you don't plan to do it with a megafactory

[reef basin]

"megafactory" has nothing with size tho

"megafactory" means "all production in one place"

[violet glen]

That's not how I used that term so far 🤔
I'm just referring to its size.

[reef basin]

yeah that's just "big factory"

see https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Megafactory

[neat anvil]

I’ve been doing phase 4 for an embarrassing amount of time cause I struggle to plan and past mistakes I never realized but I’m getting back into the flow of things rn

And I can’t wait to reach the beast that nuclear power is

[reef basin]

base nuclear is very easy

[violet glen]

I'm not sold on nuclear yet. I feel like what'll push me to it is running out of nitrogen for my rocket fuel

[neat anvil]

I wanna do nuclear until I can sink the by product,

[violet glen]

that's in Phase 3 still tho

[neat anvil]

I think storing nuclear waste is boring

[violet glen]

you can start with nuclear straight with a setup that does not accumulate waste before Phase 4

[deft sluice]

How am i supposed to know how many batteries i'm gonna need to kick start my power plant?

[violet glen]

Batteries?

[deft sluice]

yeah

[neat anvil]

I ment so say I’m currently doing phase 4

[twin hedge]

Sorry to distract. But I just automated 1/min adaptive control units. Can I get an amen?

[violet glen]

yes, Nuclear Power and Particle Conversion or what it's called are in the same phase

[neat anvil]

Good job those were a headache the first time I needed to do them

But now I’ve relieved adaptive control unites are only the surface to the pain

[reef basin]

you can store it as well

[neat anvil]

My BIGGEST problem with the game is I CANT decide how much of a given project part I’m happy making

[deft sluice]

enough to complete your current goals

once you have new (bigger) goals, expand the factories

[neat anvil]

Yea but part per minute

[deft sluice]

stop trying to future-proof stuff

just take the game as it comes

[twin hedge]

Thank, it was a real big job. I don't get to play for long stretches, took me just over a week . Have actually built it vertical with some room around it to make it look pretty. There's a train line too. Think I'm just gonna spend some time beautifying it before moving to the next phase

[ornate saffron]

So plutonium rods

[austere tinsel]

My preferred method for nuclear is to produce Plutonium Fuel Rods and use em as fuel for my vehicles/drones. Excess gets sinked. Nuclear already creates so much power that I’d rather use my SAM for other things.

[neat anvil]

I’m gonna try making enough to supply 1 machine making any given project part, this won’t be the only time il be playing anyway,

[deft sluice]

just divide up the number of parts needed by a number of minutes you think is reasonable, then get to building

[austere tinsel]

Believe in our lord and savior, the manifold.

Rule of thumb is avoid the usage of balancers unless they’re absolute needed for whatever you’re building or if you just really hate yourself.

[neat anvil]

Oh what would I do without the beautiful manifold

[austere tinsel]

I didn’t realize manifolds were a thing when I first started since the game sorta guides you into balancers naturally.

Ended up with an absolutely massive reinforced iron plate circuit board-like factory.

[fluid sapphire]

does it?

[neat anvil]

I’ve never experienced or pictured how a balancers would be needed

[austere tinsel]

Yeah, the splitters and mergers and stuff.

Sorta just naturally coax you into the idea of balancers.

[fluid sapphire]

i never got that impression

[neat anvil]

Me neither

[austere tinsel]

Apparently for a lot of people, myself included, balancers are what immediately clicks.

And then they figure out manifolds exists.

[fluid sapphire]

balancers? probably not

ratio splitters? maybe

[remote marsh]

what is the easiest way to transfer like 10 items/min

[austere tinsel]

Depends on distance.

[neat anvil]

?

[versed cosmos]

make 10/min and belt it

[austere tinsel]

Short distance? Conveyor, long distance? Maybe drones.

[remote marsh]

far

[versed cosmos]

oh maybe dont belt it

[remote marsh]

i don't have drones yet

[austere tinsel]

Drones would be a good choice for a low throughput across far distances.

Ah. Trucks then I’d say.

[versed cosmos]

tbh for 10/min id just let it build up to a full container, go with an empty inventory and just transfer it manually

[neat anvil]

That applies to trains too right?

[austere tinsel]

You could do it with trains but it’s honestly not worth it.

[versed cosmos]

otherwise i'd look at producing it closer to where you need it

[fluid sapphire]

reusable infrastructure, could be worth it

[austere tinsel]

Trains are a bigger resource sink and his throughput needs aren’t high enough to justify a rail line for it.

[remote marsh]

circuit and computers 🙂

[versed cosmos]

ah that's not ideal

[neat anvil]

I’m a lover of modular factories so I wanna make a train dedicated to bringing project parts to the elevator

[fluid sapphire]

wdym trains are a resource sink

[austere tinsel]

For trains, I tend to focus on modularity in train lines as well. Each railway is dedicated to one production chain.

[fluid sapphire]

that throws the biggest strength of rail, which is reusability, right in the trash?

[austere tinsel]

Picks up supplies, drops off supplies, picks up product, moves product to next factory, so on and so forth until the final product is made and the cycle starts again.

Just increasing the train buffer as much as needed to support travel time.

[neat anvil]

Yea

[fluid sapphire]

you can have a single connected 2 lane network, and run all your trains on it

[austere tinsel]

Yeah, you can do interconnected train networks.

[fluid sapphire]

far, far superior way of building rail

[austere tinsel]

I personally don’t bother since it’s a headache at times once you’ve got a lot of trains sharing railways.

[fluid sapphire]

its.. not?

[austere tinsel]

Congestion.

[fluid sapphire]

there is a learning curve, once you are over it, its easy

set up your trains so it doesnt happen?

[neat anvil]

As long as no trains have too many trailers there shouldn’t be a problem

[neat anvil]

Ok good point actually

[fluid sapphire]

on the contrary, longer trains can actually help reduce traffic

[austere tinsel]

Depends on required throughput of factories in the network and can often require the building of larger than necessary buffer stations to support train schedules.

I tend to just make really big trains using multiple engines to support singular production chains.

[rigid wedge]

I hope the devs eventually add some more decoration and building stuff

[austere tinsel]

One train line covers the entire production process from modular frames to heavy modular frames.

[fluid sapphire]

most of my trains are in a 2+8 configuration, carrying around 600-1800 items per minute, i have zero, i repeat zero issues with traffic, with dozens of trains, and i could easily add 10 times that

[rigid wedge]

For half of the land in the map I feel like it looks just so beautiful I could never ruin it

[neat anvil]

FR WE NEED ROUND FOUNDATIONS

[austere tinsel]

Not saying you can’t make scheduled trains work.

It just requires additional infrastructure to support that I personally don’t wanna deal with.

[fluid sapphire]

i am saying congestion is a player created problem :p

[austere tinsel]

I’d rather just build more railways.

If I need to build railways in the same area, I build double decker rails.

[fluid sapphire]

i dont know what additional infra you could mean

[austere tinsel]

And split off where needed.

[rigid wedge]

I just unlocked tier 7-8. is that already near the end or somewhere in the middle?

[fluid sapphire]

you are building rail anyway, it makes more sense to have it all connected

[austere tinsel]

Train A and Train B need to get to C and D at the same time. That can’t happen if they’re on the same rail.

[neat anvil]

I’m curious to how this all looks in reality

[austere tinsel]

So in order for that to work, you need to delay one train line to give the other space.

[fluid sapphire]

account for time to spare, its simple, then use signaling to space them? problem solved?

[austere tinsel]

Which means construction of additional buffer space and train space to support a slower train throughput.

[fluid sapphire]

space is free

[cursive crane]

9 is the last unlock, but depending how much work you did setting up automation in the previous tiers, it can definetely become the longest

[austere tinsel]

Yes.

[fluid sapphire]

slower?

[austere tinsel]

I just prefer to build more railways since space is free.

[fluid sapphire]

its kind of odd, but sure

[rigid wedge]

not so much i think xD

[fluid sapphire]

concurrent arrivals at the same place are a very simple problem to solve on the same rail line

[neat anvil]

I have no clue how signals work so I’m scare to learn the once I have more than one train in my system

[rigid wedge]

im coming from gregtech so passiving anything is a bit odd to me and i tend to batch many things

[austere tinsel]

Part of my ethos in building is to reduce complexity where possible. I get rid of screws. I get rid of unusable byproducts, etc etc.

[fluid sapphire]

i have a factory that takes resources from 17 trains, no traffic problems at all

shared entry and exit rail too

[cursive crane]

Then I would say tiers 7-9 are probably gonna be 60-70% of your playtime

[rigid wedge]

yay

i would be sad if it was over soon

[neat anvil]

It is never over, there’s always something to automate

[cursive crane]

There are ways to speed through it but you can really just consider the milestones one big tutorial, the real fun creative play starts after that

[austere tinsel]

Like I said, it can work. But the more trains on a network, the more trains that need to be scheduled around which means delays in certain parts. That means to bring throughput up to the factories needs (if building large enough). You will need to increase your buffer and train sizes to support a higher throughput despite the slower RtD.

[rigid wedge]

but if theres no reason to its less enjoyable for me

i do plan on installing some hard making mods after my first playthrough

i also need to increase my power before i can expand much but for that i need to figure out fuel

[neat anvil]

The next update will have some fun modifiers

[rigid wedge]

and still didnt connect much of my stuff with trains xD

[austere tinsel]

I prefer to tackle the equation from the otherside and keep RtD’s short and simple so i can keep buffers simple.

[fluid sapphire]

i take it you are one of those types that plans their deliveries as "barely enough and barely on time" for compactness or something

[austere tinsel]

Mmmm, barely over more like.

You can’t achieve a perfect train throughput except in a vacuum.

[fluid sapphire]

you can overshoot to such a degree that it will almost certainly never be a concern

thats my strategy

[austere tinsel]

But yeah, I clock my RtD’s to achieve a near perfect throughput.

[fluid sapphire]

some of my trains on paper need 4-5 minutes to complete their trips, in practice they have 3 times that available to them

[austere tinsel]

The slight excess goes into a sink to prevent overflow and it frees up manufacturing power to supply other factories with parts.

[fluid sapphire]

i sink nothing, perfect throughput

[austere tinsel]

So one factory producing say, modular frames, can supply 2-3 factories producing parts that need them.

[fluid sapphire]

600 from source station - destination gets 600

yeah i am not against centralizing some stuff

thats where shared rail shines

all the more reason to have a globally unified system

[austere tinsel]

A perfect throughput with trains is nigh impossible. Unload/reload times of like, 20+ seconds combined with differing consumption rates, etc etc.

[rigid wedge]

can i make this less foggy somehow? #screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

its very much possible, the loading/unloading time is accounted for by buffering both the loading platforms and the unloading ones - product keeps moving

[austere tinsel]

In order to achieve a perfect throughput, your railway needs to be longer than the total unload/reload times, production must meet certain requirements, and your buffer must be perfect.

However, even a meter of more railway alters the equation in terms of time.

[fluid sapphire]

no, like i said, you can just overshoot it and it will work perfectly

[austere tinsel]

And if you’re producing even 1 extra part, that’s a slow but steady overflow technically.

[violet glen]

isn't rail throughput by definition what goes in? It just takes longer to smooth out, so have enough buffer

[fluid sapphire]

it depends

[violet glen]

if your train takes so long to travel that the input buffer runs full, and the output dry, sure. But then you need more trains

[fluid sapphire]

it takes a bit more work to set up compared to a manifold

[austere tinsel]

Rail throughput is X/Y last I checked.

[fluid sapphire]

or a longer train

[austere tinsel]

Your input divided by your RtD.

Lemme check my notes.

[violet glen]

N parts/minute go in, so N parts/minute come out. If not, there's a black hole somewhere

[fluid sapphire]

your supply simply has to last the round trip time + loading and unloading times, its that simple, helps if there is headroom

[austere tinsel]

Generally you can resolve any throughput issues regarding trains by extending the train or increasing the buffer dependent on if you have an oversupply or undersupply issue.

[neat anvil]

The difficulty from phase 3 requirements compared to 4 is like taking 10 steps in one go

[austere tinsel]

It’s just nailing it to an exact demand for your factory is nigh impossible outside a controlled environment.

[violet glen]

Phase 4 doesn't seem so bad with the right alternates

[wise junco]

it's more time consuming than anything tbh

[austere tinsel]

Since you don’t control how much your factory is producing unless you decide to underclock your factory intentionally.

[fluid sapphire]

what do you mean? it is a "controlled" environment, you control all the variables

what? you control that lol

[violet glen]

my way to deal with the phases is a bit unusual? I don't really automate them. I build a factory at the Space Elevator that builds the parts from the parts I mass produce

[austere tinsel]

Factory A needs 1000 of X, Factory B produces 1000 of X. Train however operates on throughput where it’s delivering 1500 of X.

[violet glen]

And hand feed it the exact amount to make the phase output

[austere tinsel]

So you can under clock your factory to avoid the need for an overflow system.

OR, find a usage for that production.

I prefer to find a usage for the extra production.

[reef basin]

which is not a problem, if you need 1000 throughput and have 1500

[austere tinsel]

Yes, your factory is still getting what it needs, but if it still has 500 left in its buffer by the time the train arrives again.

That’s when you get slow but steady overflow and need overflow protection.

[reef basin]

that's not a problem though? and also doesn't happen

[fluid sapphire]

factory B produces 1000 per minute, loads into a bunch train cars, leaves when full. arrives at A, leaves after unloading - you just make sure that the supply lasts long enough for the next time you need to unload by having enough train cars

[reef basin]

because your production is 1000, you don't get buildup over time

[fluid sapphire]

you dont get overflow, you can make your train sit until its unloaded, nothing goes to waste

[reef basin]

the fact train can transport 1500, doesn't mean it will
it will only transport that much if your production is that much

[austere tinsel]

Yes.

Tying back into what I said regarding underclocking.

If your train is carrying more from its initial departure than its destination is consuming.

[reef basin]

but in this scenario you won't have overflow

[austere tinsel]

You need to underclock.

[reef basin]

no, not really

[fluid sapphire]

clock speeds have nothing to do with this, all that matters is the numbers going out from the source, and the ones coming in to the destination

[austere tinsel]

You can also overflow.

[fluid sapphire]

anything outside of those numbers is irrelevant

[reef basin]

you don't have overflow

[austere tinsel]

You can’t achieve a perfect throughput using a train without leaving some wiggle room. Well, you can, but it’s highly unrealistic in most scenarios.

[fluid sapphire]

whats wiggle room?

[austere tinsel]

RtD.

[reef basin]

but the wiggle room doesn't generate extra overflow

[austere tinsel]

RtD effects how much a factory produces and consumes total between pickups.

[violet glen]

throughput is automatically perfect, I don't get what you want to say. If 1000 ppm go in, 1000 will come out, if no buffer over/underflows

[austere tinsel]

Effecting the need for both buffer sizes and how much your train will actually pick up.

[reef basin]

that's like using mk6 belt to transport 60/min. Just because it's mk6 doesn't mean that you receive 1200 on the other end

[fluid sapphire]

explain your science acronym, i dont feel like digging through a wiki for it

[reef basin]

buffer is needed, but size is irrelevant. You practically only need one

[austere tinsel]

Round Trip Duration.

[violet glen]

well, the buffer should be bigger than one train full :D

[fluid sapphire]

ok, so leave wiggle room, transport enough to last the time?

[reef basin]

which is one (per platform)

[austere tinsel]

If the total time for the trip produces more resources before the next pickup, you will pick up more than your factory needs.

[fluid sapphire]

again, make a train carry one type of product, set it to leave only when full/empty. this will not happen

[violet glen]

that makes no sense. You will also be away from it longer

[fluid sapphire]

it cannot deliver more than you need

[reef basin]

you're mixing "items picked by train" with "items per minute"

one is absolute number, one is per minute

[austere tinsel]

Yes, but items picked by train combined with travel time does equate to an IPM.

[violet glen]

after a bit of settling time, the train will always haul exactly as much as is needed

[austere tinsel]

And IPM can exceed factory needs since trains bulk unload.

[reef basin]

sure, but if train can carry 1500/min, but you're only making 1000/min, it will only carry 1000/min

[reef basin]

hence why you do single buffer per platform

[violet glen]

I don't even get what you're trying to say anymore

[fluid sapphire]

once the buffers are full, it literally also cannot

[violet glen]

There are no item black or white holes. So what goes in, has to come out.

[austere tinsel]

Was a bad example. Point is. If IMP exceeds X demand, you will have slight overflow dependent on how close you managed to clock the RtD compared to production.

[fluid sapphire]

like spin up time on a manifold

that doesnt make any sense

[reef basin]

sure, but at that point it's not related to the train, but to the fact that you're producing more than you need. A train isn't cause of this, and would work the same with any vehicle or belt

[austere tinsel]

Yes, that’s what I mentioned earlier.

[reef basin]

RtD is absolutely not relevant to it

[austere tinsel]

If you’re producing more than needed compared to IMP/X Demand math.

You should underclock or find usage for additional supply.

[violet glen]

stuff will just back up through the train eventually

or just let it back up?

[reef basin]

sure, but then it's "if you're making more than you need, you have overflow"

and I don't know why trains or RtD are brought into it at all

[austere tinsel]

Or you can sink overflow.

[violet glen]

most factories can back up just fine and just slow down that way

[austere tinsel]

Cause someone was saying that trains can’t make overflow ever apparently.

[fluid sapphire]

what

[austere tinsel]

They aren’t equivalent perfectly to conveyors where you can match X production with X demand cause RTD and bulk unloading factors into throughput math.

23.7 seconds per load/unload last I remember.

[violet glen]

Except they are

just a very bursty belt

[fluid sapphire]

if your supply exceeds demands via train, if your train is set to do one unload, it unloads what it can, the rest stays on the train,

it goes back to the source, refills, and then goes and offloads again, this will happen repeatedly

where is the overflow?

[austere tinsel]

The overflow in that case would be at the initial manufacturing factory.

Since your factory is producing more than the train is loading.

Sure, you can just let your factory back up.

But that’s just lost efficiency.

In that case, you would need to build overflow protection on either end of the railway, produce less parts, or find additional usages for the parts so that demand keeps up with supply.

[fluid sapphire]

ok, sink it or let another train load it and take it elsewhere? whats the issue? of course the destination cant consume perfectly if your production and consumption dont line up?

at that point this doesnt even have anything to do with trains? a manifold works exactly the same way, if you overproduce, naturally you either have overflow or machines stopping?

[austere tinsel]

Not saying there’s an issue.

Sinking it is a valid response.

[fluid sapphire]

my point is that this has nothing to do with trains

trains can handle perfect throughput just fine, exactly like a manifold can

[austere tinsel]

My argument was that trains do alter the math for throughput somewhat.

[night dust]

i have played this game a couple times but never really got to endgame stuff. how important are plastic and rubber for when i finally get into phase 3

[fluid sapphire]

they dont?

[austere tinsel]

Longer RtD’s require larger buffers.

They also require larger trains.

[fluid sapphire]

ok? and?

[austere tinsel]

That was what I was saying.

Period.

You can’t hook up 1500 per minute to a train with 1500 per minute at the destination and call it a day since if your destination is day, across the map.

Your factory will run dry of initial supply if buffers aren’t large enough.

[fluid sapphire]

what i took issue with was this

[austere tinsel]

And likewise, matching exact production rates with RtD supply requirements is a fools errand.

[violet glen]

each train has a max througput, just like any belt has

but you can just add more trains

[fluid sapphire]

right, leave headroom, its that simple

[austere tinsel]

Meeting supply with a railway is not the issue.

It’s just making sure you’ve got a solution so that headway doesn’t back anything up on either end of the system.

[leaden turret]

arguing about math is #math-and-meta

[fluid sapphire]

you said achieving perfect throughput is nigh impossible, its not though

[stuck canopy]

okey i regret building 32 GW turbo fuel plant without any real building material setups ...

[reef basin]

they are

[leaden turret]

arguing in general is XKCD-386

[royal mortar]

wasn't there a blueprint-belt auto connect feature or something?

[fluid sapphire]

loading and unloading time is a non-factor because you can buffer both ends with containers so the items keep moving at all times

[austere tinsel]

K, I’m outta here.

[fluid sapphire]

just saying, you seem to have an incomplete understanding of trains

[austere tinsel]

Whatever you say.

[stuck canopy]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput

[fluid sapphire]

not saying you need to play the way anyone else does, just that what you are claiming is nigh impossible, is very much possible and also simple to do

[austere tinsel]

Whatever you say.

[austere tinsel]

Yes, I’ve read this.

I think the point I was making was misconstrued. Not saying it can’t be done. It can. Just that it’s not usually practical to try to achieve a 100% perfectly balanced train system.

[reef basin]

no matter how trains work, they cannot generate items out of thin air

if you input X/min into a train, you can expect to have X/min (or less) on the other end, never more

[fluid sapphire]

agree to disagree, it can practical and fun

[austere tinsel]

Yes.

That’s why people always go overboard with it since that (or less) part.

And thus if you go overboard, obviously there’s gonna be overflow.

[unkempt blade]

It's never going to exceed the input amount or the output belt max throughput. You can generally just add more trains (or more train cars) and it'll work predictably after that

[austere tinsel]

Yep, like I said. Supply ain’t the issue.

But when you’re dealing in imprecise numbers of materials such as transporting entire freight cars of goods.

You might have an extra few stacks extra left in the buffer per RT.

[fluid sapphire]

overproducing at any point, no matter how the next component in the supply chain is connected, will always produce overflow, this is not related to trains at all

[austere tinsel]

I know that.

[unkempt blade]

I may be missing your point but it doesn't need to exactly match the conveyor numbers it just needs to be greater than or equal to that number

[austere tinsel]

Yep, I know.

I know trains can meet throughput demands and I know overproduction produces overflow lol.

[fluid sapphire]

then i dont understand what case you are trying to make

[unkempt blade]

I think I'm missing the "overproduction" and "overflow" part of things

[austere tinsel]

Factory A produces 15000 per minute, but the buffer is filled with 30000 before the train gets there. The train drops off 30000 but the factory B only uses 10000 before the train comes with more supplies.

This is because certain factories can produce more parts than the sum of the factories using their parts.

[vernal forge]

how can you remove enroaching another object's clearance is that something we can disable so we can free build next to stuff thats touching with other machines and so on

[austere tinsel]

The whole reason trains came into this is cause of just how bulk unloading works and the need to prepare for that eventuality of buffer and how it affects bulk math.

[fluid sapphire]

i am sure there is a mod that handles that

buffer sizes do not affect throughput any more than the spin up time on a manifold - once full, it's like they are not even there

[austere tinsel]

Same argument could be made for trucks on a smaller scale. Matching 1:1 production for demand is incredibly difficult bar the stars aligning and the round trip durations matching perfectly with your factory demand and factory production so that you can have a perfect 0 sum game.

Like a load balancer.

[split storm]

where's the best place to get help for login related issues (not in-game)?

[wise junco]

login.. to what?

[austere tinsel]

My whole thing was that achieving perfect load balance with trains is nigh impossible outside of a vacuum cause realistically your RTD ain’t ever gonna be perfect since you can only increase the number of buffer/trains/freight cars which are too imprecise of a measure to work down to the hundreds.

[split storm]

steam, sorry

[real shale]

Steam support

[austere tinsel]

Steam support.

[wise junco]

^

[split storm]

fantastic, ty

[fluid sapphire]

but no one is arguing that that's what you need to do for perfect throughput, you can have perfect throughput even if the timings are not perfect

[austere tinsel]

Then I think we had a miscommunication somewhere.

[fluid sapphire]

chances are good

[austere tinsel]

Cause I was under the impression that’s what you were saying earlier.

Well. Imma go drink something strong, ciao ciao.

[fluid sapphire]

no, i just took issue with you saying perfect throughput was impossible, from my end the operative term is those two words, the spare time does not play into it

all right, have a good one

[austere tinsel]

Yes, I should’ve specified perfect efficiency.

Not perfect throughput.

Perfect throughput is easy to achieve, it’s just a matter of expansion until you meet demand, so long as X< or = to Y, perfect material efficiency however is not.

[reef basin]

no, there won't. It can't go over X/min

you always get X/min at most
if your train can carry X or more per minute, you'll get X/minute

[austere tinsel]

Yes but if you make train bigger and buffer bigger and factory bigger, then RTD throughput get bigger.

[reef basin]

yeah, but that doesn't generate overflow

[austere tinsel]

And if RTD throughput get bigger, you can very easily go above what factory actually needs in trip duration.

[reef basin]

again, no argument there

[austere tinsel]

2nd law of Physics.

[reef basin]

??

[austere tinsel]

Where is the extra materials going?

If you’re producing more than you’re consuming,

[reef basin]

you don't have extra materials though

you have extra capacity

[austere tinsel]

I mentioned increasing factory size.

Bigger factory means bigger production.

[reef basin]

that has again nothing to do with trains

[austere tinsel]

And once again.

[unkempt blade]

set up an overflow sink until you actually use all of it for something

[austere tinsel]

I think there was a misunderstanding somewhere about what point I was actually trying to get across.

[reef basin]

and once again

if your point is "by producing more than you need you have overflow", then yes, that's obvious, but no idea why trains are brought into it, or RtD

[small crypt]

i wish i could blueprint an entire computer factory, im making my third one now and it's legitimately exhausting making the same thing over and over again, so many lines have computers in them

[reef basin]

blueprint pieces of it and stick them together

[austere tinsel]

Was brought up cause we were talking about bulk unloading and how it works in terms of buffers and material efficiency.

And I think the ideas got mashed somewhere somehow.

Throughput efficiency is easy enough to achieve. I was talking about material efficiency.

[serene jolt]

Is 150 aluminum sheets and casings a good amount or not enough?

[reef basin]

for?

[serene jolt]

anything

general stage 4

[reef basin]

does that anything need 150/min?

[serene jolt]

idk

[reef basin]

then how can we know? 🙂

[austere tinsel]

Rule of thumb, build what production you feel you need, but build in such a way that it won’t be a pain in the teeth to expand later.

[serene jolt]

I'm hoping people have done stage 4 before and know a good number

[reef basin]

or just not expand 🙂

[austere tinsel]

Yes, you can build from ground zero as well.

[reef basin]

"good number" will be different for each person, each playstyle, etc.

[novel niche]

does anyone know if i start a save on experimental will i be able to continue playing it when the update fully drops?

[fluid sapphire]

its a good start, you can build more later

[reef basin]

you can always play on same or newer version

[stone perch]

is there anyway to increse 1x10 foundatsion its just too hard to build mega base 😄

[small crypt]

blueprint them

[reef basin]

I wouldn't recommend building megabase tbh

[stone perch]

why

[unkempt blade]

It's supposed to be hard! No pain no gain!

[stone perch]

😅 yeah i just used zoop mode but now i cant

[reef basin]

because it's PITA to get working and usually not viable without planning the save fully

building separate factories all over the map is generally the recommended strategy (also by ADA)

[unkempt blade]

I usually make a foundation blueprint like Burm mentioned but it's not actually that much faster than zoop for me

[stone perch]

i have played quite a long , it just zoop mode dosent work now so its so pain to use 1x10 😄

[reef basin]

well obviously it's your choice, but megafactory is imo just excess work for no real gain

[stone perch]

yeah that can be real , i just love everything with at the same place everything with organisised

[unkempt blade]

you're amazing and talented and I believe in you building the most mega factory ever

[austere tinsel]

Could build a mall.

[stone perch]

🙂

[austere tinsel]

Ship in the finished products into a central receiving center.

[night dust]

does it matter how i have freight stations set up compared to how the carts are as long as i have the stations labbled as load and unload set up right?

[smoky forge]

not realy, the station itselfe is directional tho

keep an eye out for the arrow

[austere tinsel]

Nope, just keep in mind stations are directional.

[night dust]

yurr

[smoky forge]

[austere tinsel]

Made that mistake once when I first started and got super confused on why my station wasn’t registering for the return trip.

[night dust]

are plastic and rubber important for late game/phase 3?

[serene jolt]

YES

I think

[austere tinsel]

Yes, plastic and rubber will be important.

Plastic alone is used for a good position of liquid personal usage and transportation across longer distances if you prefer to transport packaged goods as opposed to fuel trains and such.

[reef basin]

well both are used in buildings, so yeah

[fluid sapphire]

about as important as anything else

used to build stuff and produce stuff

[glad carbon]

I got, like 20k per min of iron ingot inflow, and i got no clue what i should do wi it

[austere tinsel]

Fill every spider cave full of foundations.

[neat anvil]

How often do yall overclock, I see a lot of people just completely ignore the mechanic

[night dust]

there probably isnt going to be any dimensional

[austere tinsel]

Overclock? Only for miners.

[glad carbon]

Ive killed off half the spider population, my facotry is in the swamp area

No more spiders

Too many

[austere tinsel]

I underclock a lot to get manifold ratios to work out right and to save a few extra MWH when dealing with weird numbers.

[reef basin]

MW I guess, not MWh

[neat anvil]

Any specific reason? Or do you just not mind how big factories are

[night dust]

im assumming there wont be any way for the dimensional stuff to be used for transportation is there

[austere tinsel]

The factory must grow.

[reef basin]

no, that would break the game

[austere tinsel]

But yeah, I don’t mind building bigger factories,

[neat anvil]

I overclock any time a certain factory would look better with less machines if not il place more

[fluid sapphire]

you can instead underclock to place more machines 🧠

[wise junco]

Every single factory has clocking adjustments, under and over both

[austere tinsel]

Regardless of whether you overclock or not.

[wise junco]

I go for minimum machine count

[torpid dagger]

1.2 isnt out yet is it?

[wise junco]

No only experimental

[torpid dagger]

yeah i thought so thanks

[austere tinsel]

Underclocking is always useful just so you’re not wasting power based on your layout.

[small crypt]

who cares theyre free, i go for symmetry

[torpid dagger]

build more power plant areas xD

[small crypt]

off to build my 4th computer line

[austere tinsel]

Yes but then you have some machines starving and watching those starving machines turn on and off hurts my soul.

[neat anvil]

I really care about how stuff looks so if it’s unreasonably big I will overclock, it’s kind of why I’ve avoided rocket fuel because the set ups look massive and I have no idea how I would make it look good to my eyes

[austere tinsel]

I just underclock to match odd production numbers mostly. The saved power is a nice side effect.

[austere tinsel]

Manifolds and vertical integration.

Any factory involving fluids I tend to start from the top, moving to the bottom instead of bottom to top manufacturing so I can just build one initial fluid tower and use gravity to feed everything else.

[neat anvil]

Even then the ones I’ve seen are so massive I can’t begin to imagine how I’d decorate them either they’re floating on a massive platform or a giant building stretching to the sky

[austere tinsel]

Can’t help yea there. All my factories are biblically accurate.

[small crypt]

is there anything else i will have to set up computers for while its in my muscle memory? i got computers for me, computers for supercomputers, computers for radio control units, and computers for adaptive control units. I am draining the planet of oil for computers at this point

[night dust]

does anyone know of or have a link to the calculator i saw some people were using one for this game but i couldnt find one that i didnt have to pay for

[austere tinsel]

Just a rectangular box with a slanted metal roof and some windows.

[reef basin]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/ free, no ads 🙂

[neat anvil]

Take a bit of learning, but very useful

[torpid dagger]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com

[austere tinsel]

Design I see very often is pillars.

[reef basin]

the map is great, but tbh the calculator is pretty bad

[austere tinsel]

Even a large box can look good if you have plenty of windows and pillars splitting things up.

[torpid dagger]

or this https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/

[neat anvil]

I HATE calculator without ad blocker. It’s actually unusable

[small crypt]

#screenshots message all mine just share the same basic concept with rigid rules to keep things along the same convention

[torpid dagger]

eh never got an ad from it before xD have a decent ad blocker on mine

[reef basin]

doesn't change that it cannot do like half of mid/endgame builds 🙂

[torpid dagger]

normally use the steam version

[neat anvil]

Anytime I use Calculator. I need to use a browser with an ad blocker if not 60% of the screen is just ads

[torpid dagger]

yeah seems a bit broken at times the calculator for end game - some of the shit it calculates on there isnt even correct xD

[coarse bay]

what cant it do

[torpid dagger]

really xD?

[reef basin]

imo that's less of a calculator and more planner for machine layouts and such. If OP is looking for a calculator/optimiser, modeler doesn't handle that

[small crypt]

TIL there are people that have a special browser just for ad blocker instead of just...having it

[neat anvil]

1 sec

[reef basin]

any loops, handling of byproducts, optimisation, multiple recipes per item, ...

[torpid dagger]

yeah i use opera gx as my browser has one built in but also have an external one as well

[coarse bay]

what would you reccomend?

[reef basin]

^

[violet glen]

My nemesis right now are the heavy modular frames... I feel like I'll just have to make a dedicated factory that pumps out like 100+ per minute and then train them around the map from there. Even their alternate recipes feel more involved than many of the higher tier items.

[small crypt]

thats what i should have done, i should have produced like 4x of everything i make instead of repeating the same setup in the middle of every factory

it wasnt a big deal until i got to stuff like computers where the one section takes 10 minutes to set up itself

[violet glen]

problem is, if you don't know your endgame setup, you can't exactly judge how big you should build

[torpid dagger]

does it calculate with overclocks as well?

[reef basin]

I mean in both cases you build same amount of machines

[small crypt]

yeah but 4x less IO

which is the part that takes the longest

[reef basin]

it gives you total clock % needed, how you build it is up to you

[reef basin]

well, if building near nodes, building separately gives less IO than centrally

[small crypt]

i can put the machines down in 2 minutes

[coarse bay]

does it choose the best recipe out of all the ones you have?

[small crypt]

not always

and the best recipe isnt always the best recipe when it comes to your local resources

[reef basin]

there's nothing like "best recipe"

but it choses most weighted resource efficient path to your goal

[coarse bay]

ok

[small crypt]

i cant use it for more complex stuff it's easier to just notepad it, so many arrows and bubbles pointing everywhere, but for simple stuff and quick math it's nice

[reef basin]

well complex stuff do be like that. No tool will show you less arrows 😄

[small crypt]

my noggin

[violet glen]

define parts you factory elsewhere as inputs

like, plastic or rubber, and a huge part of the chaos goes away

[reef basin]

every factory has raw resoruce input and final output

[small crypt]

i dont handicap my existing factories for new ones, i build more

it's annoying, but it's the lesser of 2 evils

[violet glen]

You don't just have a place that pumps out max plastic/rubber, and ship it to where it's needed?

That'll get annoying fast, given you can't produce that stuff everywhere

[small crypt]

no i do it onsite, then the byproduct is the factory powers itself

[reef basin]

no, I build factories near resources they need

[small crypt]

i should have done quartz computers, probably, maybe next time

[violet glen]

Does that work till the very end of the game? I feel like specially once nitrogen gets into the mix, you lose that luxury

[small crypt]

by then drones are a thing

[violet glen]

Drones or trains... something ships stuff around

I like my trains, don't really see the point of drones

[small crypt]

ive been doing good ol belt highways

[violet glen]

they seem more complex than it's worth

I just have a train network spanning the whole map eventually

[small crypt]

yeah thats when it starts to get to the realm of i dont wanna fuck with it

[violet glen]

it makes it so much easier tho

[small crypt]

1 train doing 1 thing, sure, but like 5 trains doing 10 things, no way

signals and other nonsense,i cant

[violet glen]

they're basically just like drones, going form anywhere to anywhere

[small crypt]

belts never let me down

[violet glen]

Belts need to be entirely re-built if something changes

trains you just plop a new station down and hook it up to the line

[fossil hatch]

i had a quick question, i just started playing and i use one bio mass burner with one energy line to power 3 things, i realized that i can like extend the power line to power more than 3 things but i didnt how many machines I can power up. My question is how many constructors or smelters can I power with one bio mass burner burning either biomass or solid biofuel, not sure which one is better.

[scarlet pine]

So im tryna build a big blueprint but all the items wont fit in my inventory is there anything i can do?

[cold berry]

Uh. Dimensional depots?

I think blue prints can pull from those

[scarlet pine]

Well weve got almost max upgraded ones but thats still not enough

since its alr almost 17k concrete

[violet glen]

turn it into 2 blueprints

[violet glen]

the burners say how many MW they produce, and the machines say how many they consume

[small crypt]

what takes 17k concrete that fits in 1 blueprint

[reef basin]

a container with 17k concrete in it

[violet glen]

My only guess would be pre-filled machines?

[wary silo]

what takes 17k concrete that fits in one blueprint, an awesome sink

aaah, smell that beuatiful sink keeping your machines running even when you don't need em

[storm yoke]

does having 2 locomotives increase total train speed and/or torque?

[wise junco]

torque, yes, speed, no

well, max speed, no, but will make it so speed going uphill is improved under load

[latent prawn]

unscientifically, an engine can pull about 4-5 cars in tow w/o slowing down too much. past that you need to start doubling up the engines

past 5 cars and a single engine will get stuck on steep inclines

the wiki lays out the math/physics of it in gruesome detail. sparing you from that, you'll need a second engine if you're towing more than 5 frieghts and might think about it for 5 cars if acceleration is an important factor for it all

[wary silo]

sounds like a waste of a second engine to me

if you need more speed, it would make more sense to just drive a second locomotive

[latent prawn]

internally, the game sort of fakes the real physics by prorating the train's acceleration with a dot product of the incline and it works out as cheap realistic behavior

[wary silo]

or you could just avoid inclines all together by making sky trains

[latent prawn]

or that 🙂 trains on level terrain can be any length, though longer have very bad acceleration

[wary silo]

only one problem with making sky trains, unlike games like terraria floating foundations look kind of weird without supports

[latent prawn]

typically things running in loops don't benefit from speed and acceleration changes because their net distance is zero

[wary silo]

eh, a trains got to be able to turn around somewhere

though it doesn't need to go back on the same track

my take on that though is simple, if you need more speed, just add another train

[storm yoke]

yap yap yap

[whole citrus]

Anyone know if mods tend to break after new updates? like when 1.2 is released on the main branch will i have to disable them? (referring mainly just to building mods like infinite nudge or linear motion etc etc)

[latent prawn]

yah, i'm just making the point that being concerned about how fast delivery vehicles move isn't a benefit until you're exceeding capacity

[latent prawn]

they don't work on experimental and won't until after official release. mod writers know better than to aim at a moving target

[fringe shadow]

#screenshots message what design do u prefer?

[violet glen]

Hm, how insane actually is it to use one freight cart for multiple products mixed in it?

If they're all rather low throughput

[wild phoenix]

Two is arguably cleaner

[fringe shadow]

doesnt matter bec of smart splitter no?

[violet glen]

That's the idea

[fringe shadow]

okay

[violet glen]

I so far always dedicated one cart to one thing

but if I'm hauling like 3 frames per minute around, and 30 casings... that doesn't really ever need two carts

only issue I could see is it getting messed up if your line backs up through the train

and then only one of the two making it through

[latent prawn]

you can set up stations to cherry pick specific items out of cars. the controls for it are a bit course-grained, but it allows you to multiplex several items in a single train without the downsides of sushi belt outputs

[sly gale]

Hi guys

I am starting a game in the desert area and I am having a challenge keeping up with power

[violet glen]

I've never made a train that goes to more than exactly two stations 🤔

[worn oar]

Coallllll

[sly gale]

I haven't unlocked coal

[worn oar]

There's an oasis forested area on one side of the desert

You just have to go farther than the other starting zonesw

[sly gale]

oh

Maybe I should get a map

That's one of the unlockables

[worn oar]

Yeah basically just keep playing, what you need will naturally unlock

You can rush chainsaw though

[sly gale]

It's just kind of a challenge because there's no plants lol

[worn oar]

Or alternatively you could restart in the grassy fields because it's completely full of foliage

[latent prawn]

what happens if you naively mix loads is on the recieving side, you have to engineer some stuff to handle extremely long latencies as items leave on belts one type at a time. for something like a stack of quickwire, what's sitting behind it in the queue can take a very long time to get out on a belt

same thing happens with truck stations

[violet glen]

I think I'll just stick to dedicated carts :D

[fringe shadow]

theres so much wood in desert btw

[sly gale]

@fringe shadow where is that in rlation to the start

[fringe shadow]

cant really say bec ur spawn location is in a circle wait ill dm u bec of screenshots

[light gate]

is the bug with signs on consoles known that they crash the multiplayer worlds?

[dusky harness]

WHAT DO I DO!!!
I just unlocked trains in this currently playthrough, i knew about ADA and her... particular choice of word.
But i forgot about it and THE best thing to happen just happend.
My Aunt was visiting and she goes "hey! I helped make lunch, come and eat"
And right at that moment ADA just goes "Choo, Choo, MotherF********"

i swear i dont think i seen someone's face become blue form laughing too much

[shy temple]

winsauce is win

[devout cosmos]

currently trying to figure out how to make it so hypertubes dont look like concrete at a distance

[sudden flint]

How does one go about transporting and/or centralizing resources for more complicated part factories?

[shy temple]

Make glass encased hypertube tunnels?

[sudden flint]

XD Nice

[dusky harness]

one word... Trains

[devout cosmos]

very good bandade if i cant figure out how to improve the lod proformance

[dusky harness]

what is the issue?

oh hypertubes!

[west jackal]

what about under the map hypertubes? 😛

[shy temple]

Topic of trains, I am almost dont finishing my weeklong mega mainline

[dusky harness]

how many lanes?

[shy temple]

Is a two lane. No real reason for more. I thought more, but should be fine.

[dusky harness]

I plan to make an asthetic train depot.

[devout cosmos]

the lod model switches out too soon and it's distracting for my partner

[dusky harness]

i literally just unlocked trains like 15 min ago in this playthrough

[shy temple]

I considered four parallel trains, but I won't he having that much capacity to my mainline

[dusky harness]

could it be a texture loading distance issue?

[fringe shadow]

i just found out u can delete blueprints build instantly..

#screenshots

[devout cosmos]

I thought but turning the settings up doesn't do anything

[shy temple]

Stations are a limiter, so more train lines won't do much they run parallel to the same stop. Though resource trains...

still need to go through the junction

[dusky harness]

@devout cosmos so you have LOD Dithering setting enabled or disabled?

[devout cosmos]

enabled

[shy temple]

Got a lot of good sights. I should do a tourist promo photo set

[dusky harness]

I am having the same issue i just realized. I never noticed it until now. i think it has to do with the texture itself and the limitations how something could be "sharp" at a distance.

becuas eusing the photo mode shows the same issue if you zoom in on the hypertube

[devout cosmos]

yea exactly, it's just surprisingly hard to get any changes from it

[dusky harness]

i have every setting at the highest it can be and it still happens. I think it is an actual texture limitation. Because a transparent wobbly texture might cause severe fps issues if it was allowed to be transparent at a too far of a distance.

[shy temple]

Feels so good to have my vehicles joined

Err, train lines

[worn oar]

I have an extremely bad habit of cheating and then restarting

I just did it again actually

[fringe shadow]

Consum = how much mw i consume rn
Max cons = how much if everything is on
Production = ???
Capacity = how much mw i do with everything

whats production

[dusky harness]

The amount of power being produced

[whole citrus]

So do trains only have to be one full tile apart? (i.e if i had parallel tracks they can take up just two foundations in total and work?

[pallid gazelle]

someone can helpme?

[dusky harness]

Im not sure, you can test it and see. but what i think is the colission box for the trains might be too big

[dusky harness]

we can sure try, whats up

[pallid gazelle]

im using a spot for a steel farm

[dusky harness]

okay, whats th problem?

[pallid gazelle]

But iron is much higher than carbon, and I haven't found an alternative recipe, and I don't have another place nearby. How do I lower the iron so it's on par with carbon?

[dusky harness]

Underclocking would be your best option. or overclock the iron miners

but you only need 45 iron/min, 45 coal/min for 45 steel/min.

i literally just made my steel farm bigger

[pallid gazelle]

nono how i make the iron go down

[dusky harness]

what do you mean by 'go down'?

like elevation and in physically go down?

[pallid gazelle]

yes

i write you in md with a image

[fringe shadow]

but thats capacity for no?

[quartz wyvern]

The only thing I wish this game had was a way to put floor connectors without relying too much on the walls power connectors. There is a mod thata allows to have power through the foundations but not in vanilla

[floral sparrow]

At one point do you usually look to alternative methods of resource transporation instead of conveyers?

Considering setting up coal/sulfur in the crater for nobelisks and transporting back to the plains

[worn oar]

I like trucks for early coal transportation

[quartz wyvern]

yes, you normally would consider down the line once you unlock oil for fuel power, trucks, tractors to move logistics from one place to another. this also comes in handy with trains as well

[west jackal]

why bothering to transport back?

i mean to say, do you just want to?

[floral sparrow]

Do you think tractors are good enough for getting resources from the southesat crater to the middle of the plains?

[west jackal]

i probably wouldnt, but they are good enough? especially for something non critical like final products

[floral sparrow]

I mean that my base is in the plains. I would be moving the resources/nobelisks toward the plains

[west jackal]

i was just questioning WHY because with dd you dont really need to bring those back

[quartz wyvern]

maybe but this needs to be considered when your factories are away from the home base

that is if they are modular

[floral sparrow]

I suppose I wouldn't need to restock often. I just like the idea for the feeling of it being efficient

[small crypt]

Rocket fuel feels worse than liquid biofuel for jetpack

[latent prawn]

yeah, it isn't very nice in it, but ion fuel is pretty good. longer burn and same sort of zippiness. both biofuel & ion are good, but which you use i think boils down to personal taste

[west jackal]

i dont mess with modular untill trains tbh. trucks are not reliable enough pre 1.2

[west jackal]

just... research everything in the mam lol

[latent prawn]

in previous releases, if you kept the scope of what you did with them very limited, they worked pretty well, but the second paths started crossing all bets were off

[floral sparrow]

I don't understand what you're suggesting exactly

How does this relate to whether I should bother using tracters for that distance?

I don't have trucks

[shy temple]

Tractors still can hold a reasonable quantity plus you can add more than one to a line

[latent prawn]

i think the suggestion is to use dimensional depots to avoid needing to move stuff that you can make remotely

[shy temple]

Before you get trucks, there is little that you might have which could out consume a tractor unless you are making incredibly long path past other resource nodes.

dim depots are grand for that

Nothing worse than having to backtrack all the way back to your main base because you are short some frames

I just finished a massive railway. Impossible without them depots

[latent prawn]

one use for tractors i find really nice is to round up concrete made in microfactories set up at limestone nodes. because it is a 500-stack item, the tractor can hold a large quantity of it and it avoids having to centralize the stone for a large build

[floral sparrow]

Ohh, I forgot about them. Huh. It seems like they would obsolete transportation for a lot of items, no?

Are mercer spheres renewable lategame?

[dusky harness]

if you mean like powershards? i dont think so.

[latent prawn]

they aren't renewable, but there's ~300 of them scattered around. there's enough for all the research with about 100 leftover with the only uses being to create dim depots or spwn units. Its enough to have a dim depot for every item and 2-4 for high volume items like concrete

[dusky harness]

SPWN units dont need them to build, only Reanimated SAM

[floral sparrow]

Hm. So final product export systems aren't really necessary? I'm guessing things like trains and trucks are still important for input transportation

[latent prawn]

ahh, my bad, lol, the research for it takes a sphere though 🙂

[dusky harness]

eeyup

[floral sparrow]

To clarify, I am stage 5 in my first playthrough

[dusky harness]

congrats! better automate those smart plates

[latent prawn]

what i've kind of converged upon as a high-level design is having a smart splitter at the end of a production line that dumps the produced item into a crate+depot before it is sent into a truck/train/drone station to be used elsewhere

[floral sparrow]

Already done! I will definitely, certainly add supports underneath the floating factory soon. In time

[latent prawn]

with that concept, stuff always replenishes in your inventory before it goes to supply another production line and just keeps things from getting messy

[floral sparrow]

That would mean that some production lines disable briefly when you take from your DD if you're operating at 100% efficiency, right?

[latent prawn]

right, care needs to be taken to not set that up for something supplying your power infrastructure, but stealing a stack of iron sheets from making smart plating just slows down your delivery for a minute or two

[dusky harness]

ah yes... I see you know about the Mysteries of Lack of Gravity for anything not the player or creatures

[latent prawn]

for some items you use a lot of (concrete), it sometimes makes sense to set up something somewhere whose job is to keep you supplied, but the concept is the same with a sink instead of transport station as the terminus

[small crypt]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[floral sparrow]

Ah, I've already been building independently I believe. I start from inputting raw materials for all my factories so far

[latent prawn]

its a good way to build, but especially when you get into phase 4 & 5, the builds for the endgame components are so involved and resource intensive, you're not looking to make separate factories just to keep things partitioned

[neat anvil]

With my current factory it’s meant for project parts but any extra materials it makes I will store in a dimensional depot, but the amount is very low so I depend on the buffer

[latent prawn]

what i will however suggest from a lot of experience, is keeping the stuff that makes parts for power partitioned from the other stuff making factories

first time i built out nuclear, i tried pulling stuff from a shared pool of parts and it got kind of unmanageable

[worn oar]

Independency is arguably already obsolete by phase 3

But I guess you could force it if you wanted to

[latent prawn]

idk, I think all the ideas about different designs and strategies are situationally valid, and really what you're wanting to do is synthesize them into your own style that works for you and is easy for you to wrap your head around

[small crypt]

force it?

you have force interdependency

and then it locks you in a corner

[shy temple]

Shrug, I am still using independency

I don't have any issue, just need modularity.

[small crypt]

only time i pull from existing factories is space elevator stuff that has no other use

if the component is used elsewhere, just make another

[shy temple]

Well, that is the difference from interdependency to bus systems. It is how one thinks. One makes lines they can constantly expand, or they make internally. Though it is possible to somewhat do both too.

Where you are making a single component, but with multiple different thing using the same resource, make it all in one area,

[unkempt blade]

The best of all worlds is the megafactory though. It's like independency without all the running to places

and the best shape for a megafactory is basically an inverted pyramid

[small crypt]

Megafactory is objectively the shittiest option

[unkempt blade]

if it's objective then surely you can explain why 🙂

[small crypt]

logistics are massively more complex for literally zero gain, massive train stations all fighting for the same tiles and timing headaches toward endgame, deadlocks galore throughput bottlenecks that ripple through your entire production chain, constant long distance hauling of random bullshit that could have been produced locally with a modular factory in 10 seconds instead of spending an hour integrating it into a clusterfuck of a megafactory that you try to make. zero scalability, requires a complete a to z precise plan from spawn to endgame and is highly dependent on basically having everything solved before you even start a save. you cant modify, you cant scale, you cant rework, you cant move anything, if anything ever goes wrong good luck debugging 1000 belts added onto the insane upfront planning tax. it's the complete antithesis to how the game is designed in the first place

[hollow hemlock]

looks cool though, therefore objectivity denied

[small crypt]

hell the official wiki even says its a bad idea

looks like a cluttered mess

[unkempt blade]

if you build a cluttered mess it does

[hollow hemlock]

that sounds like a subjective assessment to me

[small crypt]

every cookie cutter youtuber with their cheated in stress simulator mega factory that looks cringe as hell

[latent prawn]

you kind of end up having these logistics layers that make kibitz's stuff look organized, lol

[small crypt]

lol i thought i was dismantling and shot myself in the foot with explosive rebar

[unkempt blade]

sounds like a youtuber problem not a megafactory problem

[austere tinsel]

Mega factories also lag out mid-quality systems.

[small crypt]

it's a turning a 30 hour game into a 300 hour game for no reason problem

[hollow hemlock]

what 30 hour game are you playing

[shy temple]

Making a game more enjoyable seems a very good reason!

[small crypt]

if stressing out detangling a mega mess for dozens of hours is enjoyable then go nuts

[austere tinsel]

Mega factory is not enjoyable. It’s 20 hours of math and then just following a blueprint for the next 70 hours.

[shy temple]

Well, it is possible to get to the end quick with a minimalist or a copypaste blueprint skybridge

Trick is not to tangle it in the first place

Never used blueprints in my factory

[unkempt blade]

Why are you detangling it? Just layer once then add a layer on top - the inverted pyramid of success!

[shy temple]

I use them for things like my light columns on my roads or other repeated decors

[small crypt]

i didnt use blueprints until i got the mk2 then i could make ones that were actually useful

[austere tinsel]

If you want the look of a mega factory without having to deal with the headache.

[small crypt]

really nice to set up blenders 1 time then never again

[austere tinsel]

Build a mall. Just build a bunch of modular factories and ship all that stuff in on a bunch of trains.

Fill up your nice storage mall with every item in the game.

100x easier and looks just as nice.

[unkempt blade]

if you build the mall inside the megafactory there's even less running logistics to set up

[hollow hemlock]

Or, how about the regular 'ol not telling people what the "right" way to play a game that they paid for might be