satisfactory

[dense violet]

go to bed, you said it's 2am

learning anything at this point will be next to impossible with a sleep addled brain

[merry rapids]

Good morning!

[dense violet]

like the worst time of day for you to learn

[west jackal]

probably right.. but i can still get input while all the people smarter than me are online

[dense violet]

I mean make a post then 🙂

but there's lots of pipe savvy people on the server

no rush

[green fiber]

That encapsulates it and gives people time to read it

Instead of being buried in this channel

Which it definitely will be at any pace

[worn oar]

Finishing my little 4 nuclear plant pushed me up over 100 GW :D

Uranium fuel wasn't as hard as people made it out to be

[reef basin]

no, people say a lot of misleading and wrong things 🙂

uranium is super easy

[gloomy tusk]

guys 2 more months till i can return to the game

i count down every day

[hard wolf]

underfactory belt spathetti 😖

[dense sandal]

ah ah ah factory

i like dirt

[sick oak]

I unlocked those larger storage things and it really fucked me big time

All my factories got clogged up with wrong things on conveyor belts ugh

[lean fossil]

If you are what you are then are you what are for that you are something that you arent?

[obsidian zodiac]

good morning gamers

[reef basin]

I feel excluded from your wish because I'm not gaming

[sterile blade]

Easily solveable, dunno why you haven't already :P

[reef basin]

because I'm sitting in an office and trying™ to work

[obsidian zodiac]

i, too, am not gaming

yet i am a gamer

i game therefore i am

[clever pier]

work from home and then you can both game and work simultaneously

[fiery pewter]

I wish Satisfactory was my job

[sterile blade]

I wish my job was satisfactory...

[fiery pewter]

I am not satisfactory with my school

Let's see how many satisfactory puns we can make

Wait no, rule 11

Bad puns get you banned

[reef basin]

I do work from home sometimes, but at that point the "office" is my home and nothing changes 🙃

[reef basin]

apply to CSS 🙂

[fiery pewter]

Well

Was my plan

But have kinda diverted my career path

[serene jolt]

What kind of skills would I need?

[fiery pewter]

Since idk how viable it'd be to finish High school, study game development, then immediatly apply at CSS gor a job

[fiery pewter]

Depends on your position

Game dev, artist, playtester, community manager

[serene jolt]

Probably would want to be a dev

So probably coding skills?

[fiery pewter]

Then you'd have to be fluent in a couple coding languages

[reef basin]

https://jobs.coffeestain.com/

[fiery pewter]

Prolly some C#, since they use Unreal Engine

But idrk

[serene jolt]

Oh dang. Sweden.

[fiery pewter]

Yes.

[serene jolt]

I mean I would absolutely live in Sweden

[fiery pewter]

Same

[clever pier]

theres lots of positions in gaming that don't need programming because most games use an existing game engine

[fiery pewter]

<@&370483737957236737> job positions open in 5 years?

[serene jolt]

Why so many great game devs based in Sweden though? Like Mojang, coffeestain, arrowhead

[clever pier]

level design, quest creation, rigging and animation, lighting design, 2D artist, particle effects artist etc etc

[fiery pewter]

There's plenty in the US, big one in Hungary, another big one in Germany

But the rest are all indie studio's

[sterile blade]

I occupy the head chair of gaming in my house
I am very qualified for this level of gaming, if I may say so myself

[fiery pewter]

Very small

[fiery pewter]

Sound design

[serene jolt]

True. But these smaller devs that have a few games that EXPLODE

[clever pier]

I'm learning Godot, not to get a job just to create some hobby projects

[serene jolt]

Minecraft, Helldivers, satisfactory, goat simulator, deep rock galactic…

Wait now I’m just naming coffeestain’s games

[obsidian zodiac]

back in the late 90s/early 2000s, there was a tax rebate in sweden that allowed employees to lease nice computers from their companies for use in their family homes. created a huge computer culture with the current generation making games

[clever pier]

terraria is the second best selling indie game after minecraft

[serene jolt]

Ooh

[obsidian zodiac]

I Will Break These Harmful Stereotypes

[serene jolt]

I would have guessed silk song. Huh interesting

[fiery pewter]

Huh

Confused

[fiery pewter]

Helldivers is backed by Sony

[obsidian zodiac]

i thought you were joking about the community manager turnaround my b

[clever pier]

human fall flat is number 2, stardew valley is number 3

[serene jolt]

Yeah. That is why people found out about it. However the idea was from Sweden

[fiery pewter]

I meant general job positions lmao, not your job

[clever pier]

theres five current jobs listed on the CSS website

[sterile blade]

(Still waiting for #screenshots of Jason's playthrough to shame him for BTW...
I do not forget #satisfactory message)

[serene jolt]

lol. Embark is also based in Sweden

[sterile blade]

Take it as a compliment, you must come off as such a fun person that Jason automatically assumed what position you were aiming for

[obsidian zodiac]

ive been too busy making memes 😢

[sterile blade]

Fair... And appreciated
I really enjoy them

[clever pier]

is Sanctum 1 and 2 worth playing? can they be played single player?

[obsidian zodiac]

i think theyre fun but im definitely not biased or anything. can definitely play singleplayer

sanctum 1 makes more sense in singplayer imo

[worn oar]

#screenshots message

Anyone know why this could be happening to my power? The only thing keeping me afloat is reclaiming all my sloops for alien power converters. I have 4x nuclear reactors @250%, ~450m3 turbofuel, ~800m3 fuel, 540/m compacted coal, 900/m coal, and some biomass for power.

I checked each of the power plants and they seem fine?

[sterile blade]

If you calculate how big the power differences are, you can make a decent guess of which powerplant is giving issues; given how big and long the "swings" in power are, it shouldn't be hard to spot which machines and generators have yellow lights and identify the issue exactly ^^

[leaden turret]

css library stream next anniversary of company founding, maybe?

[dense violet]

are you feeding yoru augmenter matrixes?

if so I'd guess your matrixes are stuttering

[south sinew]

yeah the power boost going up and down seems like most of the difference

[sterile blade]

If the power boost was changing, it would stop being a certain portion of the power produced, which it doesn't; its changing together with the power produced, but their proportions are the same

[faint willow]

#screenshots

I'm a new player, still figuring stuff out, folks on Reddit suggested I go w/ manifolds, but I guarantee I 1000% did this wrong.
Any suggestions on improving throughput? Trying to keep that bus line going if at all possible.

[clever pier]

thats not a manifold

thats nested splitters

[faint willow]

Cool, so that confirms I did it wrong.

[wet jasper]

Guys, what's the point of vehicles when you can just move everything with belts? I mean they don't need fuel/power and you don't need to setup routes to maintain a balanced throughput.

[clever pier]

try running a 2 km belt and you'll see

[crude canyon]

one vehicle can carry 2 belts or more, in both directions

[clever pier]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Manifold

[wet jasper]

I built many belt highways. Some through the entire map and with blueprints it doesn't seem that bad

[clever pier]

you don't have to use vehciles

[crude canyon]

try upgrading all those mk3 into mk5 and you'll see the annoyance

[clever pier]

you can finish the game entirely with belts its up to you

[wet jasper]

Yeah I guess that's true

[clever pier]

trains take a while to setup but they have very good throughput

drones are for top tier items

[crude canyon]

train throughput is so good I think it's overpowered

It's both long range, AND good throughput

[clever pier]

trucks are for "this is too far for me to belt but I can't be bothered building a train"

[faint willow]

Awesome. So what I'm gathering is I'm probably using incorrect terminology. Apologies, I'm coming from a lot of time in Factorio and the concept of belt balancers is more my style, trying to learn its equivalent here.

Any good way of getting a balanced throughput of 3 miners -> 4 belts? I'm noticing by the time I get it to 4 or 6 smelters the back ones are hardly getting any.

[wet jasper]

Honestly I only when I ever use vehicles it's trains but I rather build belts

[clever pier]

thats the beuty of manifolds, not need to balance

you just let the machines fill up and they balance themselves

[faint willow]

Okay, so it's moreso just a logistics weight thing?

[clever pier]

supply enough per minute for all the machines and then wait

it will balance itself over time

[faint willow]

Ah gotcha, so is my setup okay or would you recommend any changes?

[clever pier]

you can over supply if you wish then it will balance faster

so like if 4 machines need 120 per minute, feed them 150 per minute into a manifold

[faint willow]

Yeah all three of those miners are overclocked x1 so 90 ore/m

Pretty sure atp it's just a splitter issue. Think I might be splitting too much, idk.

[clever pier]

in factorio you have to design for demand spikes for repairs after attacks, no need for that here

[faint willow]

#screenshots that's the output it's going into. Still a WIP, trying to figure out the "how" somewhat.

Plan's for 6 on bottom, 6 on top. Bottom 6 for plates, top 6 for rods. Rods -> screws. Already been told to expect screws eerywhere.

[rain elbow]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1491389333255618642

is this proper for a good vanilla+?

[normal orbit]

This sign up mod seems pointless. That functionality is in game by default

[dense violet]

that train mod is gross

[reef basin]

yeah, let's remove the only limitation trains have so that they are super OP 😄

[topaz shale]

The only train mod I like using is the one that lets the train change course when they are already on the move.

[reef basin]

I don't see how that can be useful 🤔

[wispy sun]

is there a specific place in the rocky desert where a good amount of coal nodes spawn?

[rain elbow]

ok im removing the sign up and the uninterrupted train and pipes then

[south sinew]

you can see the in-game map with all nodes on SCIM

[oblique aspen]

north eastern and north western corner both have coal in rocky desert, and alternative is the south eastern corner, it has 3 pure coal above at the crater lakes

[normal orbit]

Northwest, northeast, up by crater lakes

[reef basin]

use the scanner to ping coal nodes (or radar towers)

[wispy sun]

i havent unlocked coal yet im just asking because i spawned near a place with alot of water

[oblique aspen]

rocky desert has the ocean on two sides, water is rarely a concern

[reef basin]

I mean if you haven't unlocked coal, you don't have to worry about it now

[wispy sun]

yeah because in my previous save that was my first playthrough i picked the forest and that place barely had any big water lakes in it

unlike the desert

[oblique aspen]

its true, northern forest has less water, although the one spot with coal near the northern forest has enough of a lake to use those coal nodes too, so its usually fine

[wispy sun]

that place was like very far from my factory

and i used them to produce steel

[oblique aspen]

luckily steel doesnt need water

[wispy sun]

yeah, but its because i used all of the coal nodes that were located in the forest so i had to go to that place to get coal for steel

[fiery pewter]

Not directly

[tall lantern]

or at all

[fiery pewter]

No, not directly

if you're using Solid Steel Ingot, and use Pure Iron Ingot or Leached Iron Ingot for the Iron Ingots, you are technically using water to make steel

[uneven path]

Right but the assertion was that it doesn't need water, which it doesn't....at all

[fiery pewter]

Are we going to argue just to argue or just accept we're both correct in a way?

[tall lantern]

neither

steel doesn't need water, simple lol

[south sinew]

no, it doesn't need water assuming a certain recipe setup

which may or may not be a valid assumption

if you want to argue that you can make steel without water that's sure true

[uneven path]

Sibling you're literally the one who started being pedantic and "um actually" about something that didn't refute the point that was made.

[south sinew]

but not exactly the same thing

[fiery pewter]

Tfym sibling

And I'm not nerding out

I could've done more

Like wet concrete for molded beams and pipes

Or rubber concrete with residual rubber

[uneven path]

🤦‍♂️

[fluid sapphire]

You can make steel without water, therefore it's not required to make it, so you don't "need" it

Otherwise you could make this argument about any recipe chain needing stuff it doesn't really need right out of the box

Just because you can introduce something to a recipe chain doesn't mean it's "needed"

[fiery pewter]

True

I accept that

[fiery pewter]

Still waiting on an answer btw

[rough shore]

Yall go back to the same parents if we go back long enough

[brittle dune]

Ngl, pure iron ingot can go die
Who's idea was 7 to 13

Not even relative primes, just fucken primes straight up

[fiery pewter]

Pure iron ingot is worse than leached ingot

[fiery pewter]

True

[reef basin]

in a world where we have clocking, it's hardly a problem tbh

[brittle dune]

sulfur is so precious tho

[fiery pewter]

For explosives and acid

[reef basin]

only if you do TF branch

otherwise sulfur is plentiful

[brittle dune]

I mean between nuclear, turbo/rocket fuel(s), leached recipes

[fiery pewter]

Primes are numbers that can only be divided by 1 and themselves to end up with round numbers right?

[brittle dune]

Also both rocket fuel and batteries need sulfur if that's what's being used for drones

[fiery pewter]

I do not recall sulfuric acid in the entire fuel catagory

Only see nitric acid

[brittle dune]

You need sulfur for turbofuel (or sulfur for nitro rocket fuel)

[fiery pewter]

You can skip turbofuel

But you are correct

[reef basin]

you can skip turbofuel and rocketfuel

[normal orbit]

tbf theres enough sulfue to use 3200 for rockit fuel, 3300 for nuclear (2100 uranium) and 4100 for aluminium (instant scrap) with 300 left for bombs :p

[brittle dune]

That would be some slim margins to operate on considering when you get mk3 miners and 1200/m belts

[fiery pewter]

Plenty of demonic belt balancing

[timid rune]

yeah plenty of space with play with

load balancing is kinda fun late game

[fiery pewter]

And you don't necessarily have to use mk3 miners once you have them

I always do

[reef basin]

neither balancing

[brittle dune]

Clockspeed isn't gonna change the ratios of a recipe tho

[timid rune]

you can adjust clockspeed for inputs... to a degree

[reef basin]

no, but the ratio is only relevant for resource optimisation, not for building

[brittle dune]

Pure iron ingot is almost made to give you un-neat numbers because of which I personally don't like it

[timid rune]

I don't mind it

[steep maple]

overclock

[timid rune]

just have a refinery running slightly underclocked in a non-integer ratio

[brittle dune]

Like give me a prime only if its less than 7

[timid rune]

or overclocked

[steep maple]

i am very smart

[brittle dune]

Non integers are what bother me personally

[timid rune]

"free" output is free output

[reef basin]

the actual output per craft is irrelevnat though

you way more care about per minute numbers

[ornate saffron]

Sulfur is a resource I've never used for anything other then power generation and small quantities for munitions( i dont auto mate munitions)

[timid rune]

I use sulfur for nuclear and turbo diamonds

[brittle dune]

Guess I'm just running sulfur hungry in my playthrough

[fiery pewter]

Convert resources into sulfur

[brittle dune]

I'm currently making rocketfuel, some will be power, rest will be bottled for drones

[timid rune]

unfortunately I have way too high of a need of coal to use instant scrap

if I use instant scrap in this save I will actually run out of coal on the map lmao

[brittle dune]

I might take my turbofuel plant offline at some point after this because that thing has always had problems and refuses to run at 100% and I've just gone "good enough" at this point with how much I've banged my head against it and debugging it

Sometimes the power graph is flat, sometimes it dips by a few gens

And I just can't be asked to deal with that thing(the powerplant) anymore

[plain marten]

is there a way to tilt foundations

[abstract heron]

<@&370483737957236737> is there a video this week and how does mikael feel right now? since he ate ihis bad easter egg was it chocolate tho?

[timid rune]

yeah I ended up tearing down my rocketfuel build once my nuclear build came online

[fiery pewter]

Well there are ramps, and some more in the awesome shop, but not actual tilt for normal foundations

[fiery pewter]

You keep asking every day

They responded yesterday saying no iirc

[brittle dune]

Seeing as the portion of rocket fuel going to power should be enough to cover my power needs until nuclear

[timid rune]

I am sitting happily at 1.1TW so it should last me for the build I want to do

[tired tangle]

what is the benefit of ... using Train over Vechicle to transport goods ?

Vechicle seems win on every aspect

[timid rune]

electricity is basically "free"

and more portable than fuel

[tall lantern]

rail networks are easy to expand, just have to bolt on a lil extra track

[brittle dune]

Also trains are so much faster

[vestal dome]

is there an lfg channel

[abstract heron]

i love to ask plus mikael had a bad easter egg and for the video i don't mind if event its a quick house cleaning etc etc

[brittle dune]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758

[vestal dome]

ty

[brittle dune]

Funnily enough, fuel is easier to get to where you need it once you've gotten drones and set up fuel production for them

Cuz the same way you can distribute that fuel to drones using drones you can feed it to trucks

[simple latch]

it says i got one more hand equipment slot from tier 3, but i still have 3 as i had 3 before. Why isn't it showing up?

[ornate saffron]

That makes sense. As you progress through the game early technologies and approaches become easier

[bitter silo]

Anyone wanna give and tips or opinions on my new turbofuel in #design-and-architecture ??

[viscid dune]

something i'd wish to see is for the wall outlets to always orient up by default

for power

[merry ridge]

boutta make nuclear power

too lazy to deal with the waste, boutta make a million storage boxes and deal with it when they get full

[viscid dune]

it can never get full

just build more storage

[merry ridge]

lmao this shit is gunna make 18,000 waste/h

a mk2 storage box can hold 24k

so ill deal with tit after 50 hours

[viscid dune]

make a blue print where you cram in as many industrial storage containers you can fit

[ornate saffron]

Just turned on my clean nuclear last night. 120 minute run time so far no issues

[merry ridge]

wish i could dump it in the ocean

[merry ridge]

im starting small

#screenshots message

(im playing with random nodes so ignore the weird placement)

[ornate saffron]

Me too. I just processed one impure uranium node. I can always make more

[merry ridge]

i got lucky asf

i got a pure ununbium node

i don't wanna tap every ore in my world to maximize it just yet

[uneven path]

I do think it kind of sucks that you unlock the ability to make nuclear power and waste before unlocking the method to deal with that waste. So if you don't know any better you could be drowning in uranium waste while frantically trying to unlock plutonium.

[sterile blade]

That alone is more than half of what normally aviable on the map

[uneven path]

I got very excited when I had 4 pure uranium nodes in the rocky desert, and then I remembered that it took Kibz a full year to make a full nuclear chain with less than half that amount of uranium 💀

[unkempt blade]

yeah but you're built different, surely you can do that in only 3mo

[merry ridge]

LMAO IM WATCHING KIBITZ NUCLEAR VIDEO RN

[dense violet]

the nuclear reactors do say they produce aste I'm pretty sure

[uneven path]

You're so right. RIP to those who fell to their hubris. But that won't be me, I'm too good for that

[uneven path]

Yeah, I just feel like you should unlock nuclear power and plutonium refinement in the same tier. Though I acknowledge it would make that tier extremely chunky.

[ornate saffron]

Both nuclear and plutonium is in the same phase. Simply reading the options in the hub and codex does give you the information you need.

[dense violet]

it's also very fast to unlock plutonium

[uneven path]

Yeah true

[dense violet]

so if you do the barest inspection of your options, you knwo about waste
and you can choose
and you can look at the plut stuff

[uneven path]

Eh, might not be as big an issue as I was thinking I suppose. I can just imagine someone being excited to unlock nuclear only to realise they can't actually make effective use of it straight away. But yeah by that point unlocking plutonium won't take long

[keen flame]

haii how is everyone

[obsidian zodiac]

leo idk how many times i gotta say it, we'll let you know when a video is coming out

i still havent heard from mikael, he may be in a gaming coma

[void cliff]

Brilliant. I do that with machines already. Haven’t considered it with storage containers

[viscid dune]

blueprints saved this game

especially when it comes to trains and trucks

[brittle dune]

lmao

[unkempt blade]

Discord Dad - "If you kids don't quit asking how much longer I'll turn this whole server around right now!" 🤣

[abstract heron]

okay and sorry @obsidian zodiac

[obsidian zodiac]

its ok youre still my lion

[abstract heron]

19,133 hrs on record on the way to 20k hr

working atm 100 nuclear pasta 😄

100 nuclear pasta per minute that is 🙂

[timid rune]

96 refineries @ 250% feels like a lot but it is so little lmao

[rough shore]

double it

[abstract heron]

i am not building ANY at overclocking yet

[brittle dune]

and give it ot the next person?

[timid rune]

100 nuclear pasta is a pretty good aim nice

[ivory condor]

Probably got death stranding 2, so you wont hear from them for a while

[timid rune]

makes my 30 warp drive/min build looks tiny in comparison

[obsidian zodiac]

leo is built different

[abstract heron]

i just wish jason there was a Video on 1,2 or bit of house cleaning?

[abstract heron]

5,309hr in my current world 🙂

[timid rune]

next run I am gonna try out turbofuel diamond + electrode scrap + cheap silica + normal aluminum casing run

[obsidian zodiac]

mikael and i have been talking about a check-in, i think i mentioned this last week. we'll likely put something out around the end of the month

[abstract heron]

Yes This playthough only blueprints for balancers and belt wide stuff and world wide train system

[timid rune]

going for warp drive makes instant scrap not very worth it

[abstract heron]

Thats good ya both u and mikael do a quick check in as a video each month and such and where is the company at EACH month i don't mind no videos but each month is good if not to busy also fix the YT chanels playlist 🙂

[inland thicket]

bruh im still building 3 heavy modular frames a minute

[timid rune]

there still A LOT of work before I finish the warped drive build

Wet Concrete + Encased Pipe + Heavy Encase Frame makes life a lot easier with HMF

[inland thicket]

does sloppy alumina, base recipe scrap and pure aluminium produce more than base alumina, scrap and silica?

[timid rune]

(and it is basically meta for HMF lol)

[inland thicket]

yeah i just used it

[tall plover]

thats on my list too 🫡

[merry ridge]

Crazy how one fully OC normal oil vein can only make 200 plastic/m

I feel like it should be more

[brittle dune]

it's actually 900

[timid rune]

900 yeah with the right alts

[abstract heron]

mine is all by hand no blueprints only for belt wide and balancers and other stuff for blueprints and NO overclocking

[brittle dune]

if you're doing it in the most optimal way it's 1 oil to 3 rubber and/or plastic

[tall plover]

i will absolutely overclock

[timid rune]

Heavy Oil Residue + Diluted Fuel + Recycled Rubber + Recycled Plastic

[merry ridge]

Wuh???

[abstract heron]

i am NOT

[tall plover]

w h y

[timid rune]

think I might be missing an alt somewhere

[merry ridge]

What recipe??

[abstract heron]

i wanna see if the game can cry

[timid rune]

Heavy Oil Residue + Diluted Fuel + Recycled Rubber + Recycled Plastic

and Residual Rubber or Residual Plastic

[tall plover]

Im making 4800 ionized fuel per min and the production line for that is already huge

[abstract heron]

i think way back when before devs changed the foundations before 1.0 that was me i remember building big things in Dune Desert

[timid rune]

oops wrong tab

[brittle dune]

I pinged you on some production chains I posted in #math-and-meta

[void cliff]

I prefer the default HMF recipe 😉 with encased pipes, bolted plates and bolted frames.

It’s small enough to fit in the mk2 blueprinter

[merry ridge]

Much appreciated

Now I gotta look up more alt recipes to maximize my already existing factories

I hardly ever use em other than cast screws

Iron pipes, etc

[brittle dune]

so many alts are such lifesavers

[merry ridge]

Like, I know my engine factory all runs off of a single pure iron node

Other than the motors ofc

#screenshots message

That whole bottom row of constructors all run off of iron ingots lmfao

[tall lantern]

note that there's no need to change a working factory. definitely take any lessons for the future, but you don't need to waste time rebuilding things that work

[merry ridge]

Well I think I’m only making like 20 engines/m I’m sure I’ll need to boost it

[tall lantern]

also alts aren't strict upgrades (or downgrades), they just offer tradeoffs. Sometimes it's fairly straightforward, swapping out a resource type. others it's things like space, power, complexity (like the Recycled loop mentioned above)

[merry ridge]

Plus a majority of my factory’s are blueprints lol

[rough shore]

you do if ur using all the nodes on the map fr

[cold berry]

Yes, it is. Putting a central storage area that's for project assembly most definitely is lol

[tall lantern]

good news, it's not possible to use every node on the map with current PC tech 🎉

(usefully, at least, you could probably run 'em all straight into sinks just fine)

[ivory condor]

define "not possible", i mean will the simulation run, sure, but really how bad can the frame rate get

I would argue even if its running at 1 fps, its technically possible to do right

[ornate saffron]

To do it, you first need to modify game files as you hit the unreal engine Uobject limit before processing everything

[ivory condor]

ahhhh hmmm

[rough shore]

my pc must be a beast then fr

[white dawn]

All we need to do is take all that framegen technology and apply it to factory mechanics instead!!1

-# shhhh, apocalyptech, don't give them ideas

[next ivy]

my factory is hallucinating 💀

[rough shore]

no u

[tall lantern]

we shall call it.. modular framegen

[tawdry fable]

guys are there any ways to fix the issue with loading ur factory after walking away then back?

bc my gpu spikes when that happens

and causes lag

[ivory condor]

So use framegen 6x right?

just keep on adding on the frames, surely that'll make for a playable experience

[ornate saffron]

Which is doable. But many people have done this and there game crashes long before they process everything.

The dev teams response it

The Uobject limit is there for a reqson

[lilac monolith]

Are you truly living the Ficsit dream if your PC doesn't sound like a Formular one car screaming down a straight?

[tawdry fable]

is there a setting that fixes it?

[ivory condor]

well to be fair I havent ever gotten a save to the point that even with the object limit increased the game still gives ups

I guess that means my factories need to grow more

[rough shore]

is there?

[tawdry fable]

im asking

[tall lantern]

object limit's far earlier than the actual problem point

[rough shore]

no clue

[soft oyster]

Pipe mk.3 when🔥

[tall lantern]

never

[ornate saffron]

My intel 11700 struggles, but my amd 5900x is going strong

[rough shore]

pipe mk3 will come out when water extractors mk2 come out

[ivory condor]

mk2 pipes are already buggy, isnt mk3 pipe going to be much worse

[rough shore]

i wouldnt call them buggy

[weary condor]

Have you used them😭🙏

[ivory condor]

unplayable maybe

[rough shore]

no i use mk3

[weary condor]

Alr vro

[ivory condor]

mods?

[rough shore]

no they gave me a mk3 code

[ornate saffron]

I m FINALLY at the point where I am confident with pipes. It only took 1200hours lol

[ivory condor]

I am to, after countless hours of playing

still mk2 pipes, not the greatest experience using, always having to loop those bad boys, because manifolds dont want to behave

[ornate saffron]

I just made multiple back to back complex fluid projects with no issues. \0/

[rough shore]

cant be that hard to deal with sloshing

just loop pipes fr

[ivory condor]

you underestimate how annoying sloshing is

[rough shore]

prefill pipes fr

[ivory condor]

doesnt work

[rough shore]

idk if that works cuz i just yk do it

yeah skill issue just loop back and it works fr

[ivory condor]

it doesnt, thats more bad advise

[ornate saffron]

The kiss method works well

[ivory condor]

kiss method?

[ornate saffron]

Keep
It
Stupidity
Simple

[ocean leaf]

or, keep it simple, stupid!

[rough shore]

guys guys guys sloshing isnt real

[ivory condor]

the mk2 pipes have skill issue

[ornate saffron]

Ya. Im trying to be more welcoming lol

[ivory condor]

they need to behave more, im tired of them not doing what i say, mk2 pipes need to learn to obey me

[ornate saffron]

You want pipes to be belts/dogs

[ivory condor]

[ocean leaf]

that does not sound very efficient, ficsit disapproves. 😁

[ornate saffron]

I honestly think the biggest issue with pipes is that there is no way to directly view what's happening. You can only infer information from observing effects.

[ocean leaf]

pipes behave fine if you follow a few rules nobody tells you about 😄

[cold berry]

What are these rules

(nobody told me about them)

[naive palm]

yeah somebody here shared an awesome pdf that had every fluid trick in the book

[ornate saffron]

My first 800 hours where solo no help no online tools nor communication with the community. It was a struggle and I learned so much when I found out the discord exists lol

[naive palm]

I live by it

[ivory condor]

I sure do love the rules that nobody tells you about, my favorite part about mk2 pipes

[cold berry]

Post it coward

[weary condor]

Beef send fluid bible for jordan🙏🙏

[ornate saffron]

Its pinned in #math-and-meta the author is in this discord. He is making a updated one. But its hard to keep it simple

[naive palm]

ah I would. Sadly I'm on my work laptop and I have the PDF open on my desktop PC.

[lilac monolith]

Thank god for this, I've just started with Mk2 pipes and I was wondering wtf I was doing wrong

[ivory condor]

thats the one with navier stokes equations in it right?

[ornate saffron]

#math-and-meta message

[weary condor]

Usually its bc you used pipes😭😭

[naive palm]

The one I have is mostly pictures and exclamation points, good for gorilla engineers like me 🐒

[ivory condor]

your not exactly doing anything wrong, the problem is mk2 pipes has rules nobody tells you about

well its in that pdf, but its absurd we still need a third party pdf because the game doesnt properly explain how you should do piping....

[weary condor]

I mean

[ocean leaf]

mk.2 pipe rules are the fight club of satisfactory.

[weary condor]

Most of the stuff in the pdf is fairly common sense

[ivory condor]

so it begins

[weary condor]

Like 60% of the doc is “you can’t do X because gravity”

[naive palm]

"Full pipes are happy pipes"
I've been accidentally doing it right all along. Pressurize your pipes for joy and profit

[naive palm]

this is about 99% of engineering

[ivory condor]

i have lost count how many people ask "why isn't my mk2 pipes working", that for me indicates a very poor explanation on the games part

[weary condor]

Real😭

[ivory condor]

and alot of the time, it turns out because they didnt loop the mk2 pipes, which the game tells you nowhere btw that you have to do

so thats great....

[weary condor]

Idk if its just bc I’ve played a long time but a pretty significant amount of those questions its something like theyre trying to bottom feed machines

[ornate saffron]

Mcgallon the author of the plumbing manual. Has changed his stance on pumps since he wrote that. He has reviewed the games code and has come to the conclusion that pumps also add pressure. So adding them to a pipe after a height increase can help.

[ocean leaf]

they also reset headlift (and prevent backflow), which probably is the bigger advantage of putting pumps after hight increases.

[naive palm]

have all your fluid sources at surface level and build underground. headlift and pressure problems solved

[weary condor]

Found zula’s alt lol

[ivory condor]

the problems i have seen surface even with everything at the same level, but because of things like sloshing, manifolds dont reach 600m3, and players keep asking why their manifolds arent working, because the game doesnt tell you need to loop the manifolds

I have honestly lost count how many players keep asking these same exact question and its not from bottom feeding, ground level and because of how mk2 pipe works, those systems still easily fail anyways

[weary condor]

If the player thinks of pipes as working how irl fluids would work, they would arrive to the same conclusion

[ivory condor]

and yes i have gone into some of those saves to show them how to fix it, because the game doesnt explain any of this....

[agile hamlet]

Hello everyone, a simple question: does the seed number change the entire map or just the layout of the resources?

[weary condor]

The issue is new players treat pipes like belts

[south sinew]

if only we actually had a solution for navier-stokes

[naive palm]

this is going to sound troll-y but I'm being genuine - I think there's a line from the ||artifact aliens|| (mercer sphere pickup) about 'looping the maniifolds'

[true mulch]

just the resources, there is one handmade map

[ivory condor]

soon

[weary condor]

Coming with 2.0

[ivory condor]

[south sinew]

Jokes aside, "Think of Satisfactory fluids like IRL fluids" is not very useful because IRL fluids are well, really complicated and players do not need or want to know that stuff

[inland thicket]

is there a way i cam make the pipeline t junction aim up when its not attached to a pipe?

[ivory condor]

true, and still doesnt really solve the problem, or in this case imo the games poor explanation of pipe mechanics or the lack in case

[weary condor]

Build attached to pipe then delete pipe?

[inland thicket]

touche

[ivory condor]

ideally the mechanics should be simple and straight forward, but the game still doesnt do a very good job explaining any of this, hence the pdf exists

[naive palm]

build a temp wall, slap it to the wall, arrow keys and pg-up pg-down to send it where you want.

[inland thicket]

imma be real i just wanted it on ther grid but it doesnt really matter

[weary condor]

Imo the mechanics are simple and straightforward but that might just be me 🤷

[inland thicket]

especially when the rest of my base is SPAGET

[naive palm]

pipeline engineering is hell but it looks so badass when you get it right

[weary condor]

Only issues ive ever had with pipes were when I insisted on bottom feeding once

[ornate saffron]

After playing for a prolonged period of time we sometimes forget the struggles we had too

[ivory condor]

seems to be a exception unfortunately, given the amount of players i see that commonly have the same problems with mk2 pipes

[ocean leaf]

it's not just you, but it's not the majority for sure.

[ivory condor]

i think there is some truth in that for sure, its easy to take knowledge for granted

[weary condor]

Ye 100%

[ocean leaf]

anybody here played oxygen not included? They have this neat little ingame tutorials. they would definitely help a lot with these things, also in satisfactory. for pipes, but also for things like signals.

[naive palm]

the only fluid dynamic rule I ever tripped on early in my satisfactory career is

• headlift is not additive, you need to put distance between your pumps
  Everything else made sense. (Fluid wants to move downhill, keep your pipes full, if possible feed machines from above, etc)

[loud fulcrum]

I dont use mk3 power poles ngl

[ornate saffron]

I keep forcing myself to think from the position of little knowledge when I try and help people. I take so much for granted.

[unkempt blade]

don't worry 1.2 is going to make fluids even more perfect than they already are

[weary condor]

Yeah I can see that being a common mistake from new players

[naive palm]

train signals are witchcraft sent to bedevil the days of man

[weary condor]

Personally didnt know that bc I never pump things to heights that take more than 1 pump lol

[naive palm]

same 😂

[ivory condor]

the fluid trucks solve everything

[ornate saffron]

Signals are great. The issue is placement bugs

[cedar vault]

i am looking at my settings and i see one for voicechat? is there voicechat in the game?

[simple pebble]

Tbh I've played for nearly two years now and still don't know why MK2 pipes are allegedly bugged.

I've heard that they have issues at 600/min but the only real time I get that high is with nuclear power

[weary condor]

I never really found signal complicated, more monotonous to setup and therefore easy to ruin by placement

[weary condor]

Same😭

[naive palm]

(I know, it's 100% skill issue wiith me. I can and have gotten train blocks to work, it's just tough for me)

[ocean leaf]

wdym? Isn't it nice to build the signal in the same place after 3 times replacing the rails to get them working? 😄

[unkempt blade]

it's just when people build them manifold style and make reaaaalllllyy long rows that you start to see much of it

[simple pebble]

Ah yeah

[ivory condor]

yes i look forward to it every time

[simple pebble]

I do loop manifold if I have to do manifolds

[ornate saffron]

Its okay pre 1.2 I couldn't use vehicles.

[unkempt blade]

yeah with the loop I never really see issues

[naive palm]

pumps? 🙅‍♀️
looped single-track fluid train that delivers fluid uphill ✅

[ivory condor]

i tried putting pumps on manifolds, doesnt fix sloshing btw

its funny you can add all the pumps you want to manifolds, but the only way to get 600m3 is to loop them

[ocean leaf]

try more pumps, and add a few valves for good measure. the more the better I heard 😄

[ivory condor]

I tried that to, didnt work

i tried quite a few different ideas besides looping manifolds, but no other solutions reached desired outcome of 600m3 out of those manifolds....

[ocean leaf]

I think putting a fluid buffer at the end of a manifold might help as well, but at that point you can also just loop it...

[twin parcel]

maybe do hybrid , balance + manifold set up?

[ivory condor]

how would that work with mk2 pipe manifolds hmmmm

[twin parcel]

so u basically spilts 20 machines in few groups , the machine within group is manifold , but the connection btw groups is balanced

[fluid sapphire]

"balancing" pipes is a pipe dream

[white dawn]

They're not bugged but there are some features of the fluid system which end up biting folks. Some folks (like yourself) naturally luck out and have build styles which happen to work really well with the fluids, but other folks don't. :D

[ornate saffron]

I avoid long manifold opting for smaller clusters of machines. Why combin several pipes if you are going to split it anyways. Space is the resources we have the most of.

[white dawn]

There's generally ways to construct pipes such that you can get whatever throughput you need, though. Some of our usual recommendations are stuff that's hard to come up with on your own, though

[simple pebble]

Yeah I think I naturally ended up in a position where I found many parallel fluid chains tidier than a manifold

[lilac monolith]

I've got it, instead of Mk3 pipes, why can't we have the next step in oil extraction technology. The Oil Rig, it's just an extractor but on stilts so gravity makes the pipes works from the top down

[simple pebble]

Like, one extractor powering four pure ingot refineries is just easier than merge and manifold

[hidden sluice]

Anybody come up with a clean way to do a single truck station for 2 different items? I want to move plastic and rubber and my thought was just to use a single pair or truck stations, but it feels like that is going to end up with everything being messed up.

[pale smelt]

this is the most relevant about pipes and fluids ,it is oversighteed a lot, fluids need designs to work flawless

[hidden sluice]

I can do 2 pairs, just seemed like if there is an easy way to filer or limit the slots on the station one would be plenty of transport

[pale smelt]

you need 2 stations for that

[hidden sluice]

Yeah, that is what I figured, thanks!

[violet brook]

I recall an IGN review stating the combat as a flaw of the game.

[fluid sapphire]

it gets stale after a while, its not really a focus of the game so who cares

[white dawn]

You can do bulk "sushi" deliveries so long as the truck/tractor has sufficient cargo space to support the throughput on both that you need

[ornate saffron]

Combat and mobility options are far better in this game then it has any right to be. I don't play this game for combat so I expect little from it

[white dawn]

The important bit is proper buffering after sorting. You'll have a few Smart Splitters coming out of the station to sort the Rubber + Plastic; make sure that there's a storage container (or ISC) immediately after those to provide buffering. And ensure you're always overflowing-to-sink at the end; there always needs to be Overflow handling

[leaden turret]

I recall IGN being an ethically corrupt outlet, so 🤷‍♂️

[white dawn]

Once the delivery has made a full cycle or two, you'll have sufficient backpressure via your buffers to provide consistent processing on the receiving end

[ornate saffron]

Owned by Ziff Davis inc.

They are just buying up everything and turning it into sloppy shite.

[leaden turret]

-# editaerrheal integrity

[violet brook]

Elaborate?

You mean uniquely poor at journalism?

[simple pebble]

As long as the receiving end uses/stores/sinks everything it's fine

[leaden turret]

#off-topic-general

[thorn vault]

i got mk2 power poles before even placing a single mk1 power pole. this is what i do when i forget to set up automation

[ornate saffron]

My game save is past 10mb and is no longer playable on my laptop. So im stuck not playing while im out of the house 😩

[ivory condor]

Ever considered getting a better laptop to maybe handle those saves better?

[ornate saffron]

No, I bought this laptop for sub $800 CAD

Its a 3060 with a intel 11700h

I only have issues with two games. One is satisfactory after my save gets to 10mb plus. I start having a unstable 30fps.

And POE2 which is a un optimized POS

[fluid sapphire]

hop on that grim dawn train

[merry rapids]

grim dawn is awesome! (i have a Grim Dawn tattoo) 😄

[ivory condor]

oh ok, my laptop has a 13900hx, so thankfully i dont have unstable fps like that

[fluid sapphire]

i havent played in a few years but im thinking about hopping back in when the new expansion finally comes out

[merry rapids]

great! will be a pretty big expansion

[fluid sapphire]

oh yeah, to an already pretty massive game

[ornate saffron]

My home pc is a beast so having a laptop is a bonus

[ivory condor]

Alright, I use my laptop for my home pc, so i have higher specs because it makes sense

[small crypt]

Neater

Easier math, tileable

[ornate saffron]

I do this too.

Saves on power too, early game this matters

[ornate saffron]

I never by myself anything and work gave me a fat bonus one year. So I treated myself.

[ivory condor]

Nice, whats the specs on the home pc?

[hearty flame]

my game isnt loading to the main menu, its just stuck on the loading screen
any ideas on what i can do to fix?

[abstract heron]

any mods active?

[hearty flame]

nope, no mods

[thorn vault]

also i got 926 caterium before even bothering to craft an automatic miner

i work hard for this job

[fringe shadow]

wdym saves on power too? u only need 16 u can save power if u have less extractor

[fringe shadow]

just do 48/3 😄

[simple pebble]

You can underclock them and they'll be more efficient

[next ivy]

underclock to 1% and build 100 of them

[simple pebble]

Also three coal plants is 135/min water

[fringe shadow]

huh what?

[fringe shadow]

ye and if u use 8 u need 3 water extractor he had 48 so 48/3 = 16 and he used 24 idk why thats more power saving

[fringe shadow]

why

[ornate saffron]

Amd 5900x
Rx 6900xt
64gb of 3200 ram

[stray gull]

Started a new save with 1.1 in the dessert. (This was a mistake since I’ve never made it past Phase 4 but I’ll stick with it for a while!)

[ornate saffron]

Two coal generators need 90 water/min

So you underclock the water extractor feeding to coal generators

[simple pebble]

Ah you're talking about the 8/3 ratio

Which works, but is kinda messy with merging and splitting pipes, and has the awkward 16th extractor

One extractor into two coal plants lets you clock the extractor to 75%, and it uses less than 75% of the normal power so it actually does save a sliver

Personally I'm lazy and don't like committing structures at that point in the game so I have a 150% clock extractor feeding two 200% coal plants, which saves on space and rotors/frames while I beeline for advanced steel and phase 3 lol

[ornate saffron]

Oooh I use a 2:1 ratio for coal

[ivory condor]

Nice, that can compete with my laptop, but my laptop has high specs

[rigid wedge]

Hi guys. I’m about to unlock trains and was wondering if I should centralize the ores/ingots and distribute them from there to processing destinations or if I should transport them from the node right to the processing destination. I would appreciate if someone could help me outline pros and cons for both

[ornate saffron]

I imagine my system has better cooling. Laptops are so random when It comes to implementation

[ivory condor]

oh definitely, i mean my system regularly gets over 90c on the cpu hahahaha

[dense violet]

it's a thing you can do but it's a ton more work, you move it twice and have to sort out all the logistics twice

I wouldn't recommend it while you're going up the milestones. Make it a project when the game is more of a sandbox after you finished the phases

[ivory condor]

hmm let me check, been playing satisfactory for some time, 98c on the cpu, 90c on the gpu lmao😹

sir this thing appears to be running just a little hot

[rigid wedge]

my thoughtprocess was that it would be easier to have a centralized storage and then put whatever i want to supply externally on 1 train from there and send it over all at once

[dense violet]

easier? absolutely not.
much easier to build a factory on location where the resources exist

[dense violet]

use a planner like this, and edit recipes while scanning the map for a good location that matches your needs https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[rigid wedge]

i assume it would also be difficult to send a specific amount of different stuff per batch the train delivers?

[dense violet]

that part not soooo much
even if you have set amounts of ingots on a belt, you can just over flow excess

[simple pebble]

I'm in the process of setting up something like this in my SF+ run, will share thoughts when I'm home

[dense violet]

it'll be less clean than creating dedicated processes that sends the exact amount on a belt on it's own, but still doable.

[rigid wedge]

maybe i will try to do a both and see how it goes. thanks for the input I will keep it in mind

[dense violet]

I really suggest finishing the tiers, basically a tutorial, first. but you do you

[rigid wedge]

started playing a few days ago and im completely hooked

[rigid wedge]

is there more after t9?

[dense violet]

ther milestones are basically a tutorial for the game
and after tier 9 you get a sand box game where you do your own projects that you can plan out completely

kinda like the ender dragon in minecraft

the game doesn't end after the dragon

[simple pebble]

No, it's just a sandbox. You just get all the recipes at that point

[rigid wedge]

i love minecraft

satisfactory is my 2nd factory game and the first one was 3k hours of gregtech

[dense violet]

well after tier 9 it's kidna like minecraft 🙂 except mostly about logistical problem solving projects you make for yoursefl

[fiery gust]

yes, you will have done all the required bits to unlock stuff, and now you can finally play the game.

[dense violet]

you can also make it very pretty if you like

[rigid wedge]

I have been building a lot in greg and plan to do so here too once I can hover in the air

I spent 30 minutes making a lift for sulfur and almost gone crazy

[midnight orchid]

i want to see the next tier in satisfactory be were sense we sent the cargo carrier to earth maybe ficsit is like hey we can use them for more then just cargo ships and so teir 10 would be all about making stuff for the ficsit military

[ornate saffron]

Is Greg a good chap to build inside of ?

[simple pebble]

Oh yeah so an ingot network is interesting to think about. You can save some trouble making ingots in advance and bringing them to factories, but iron, limestone and copper at least are so plentiful that usually you can find places to put factories that have access to each of them. Usually. The other problem is that train stations are so large that any space or effort spent smelting ores on site might be negated by fitting a giant train station in that area.

There are other problems with this kind of central smelting hub. The biggest is that you need to be able to scale ahead. So you need a ton of space dedicated to resources you don't have yet, and you might want to account for alternate recipes.

BUT

• Trains are still great for gathering rarer ores. Oil, Quartz, Coal, Sulfur, Caterium and an ore you won't have unlocked yet are all great for this.
• Late game products require so many different parts that you're either importing from another factory or still have to pick up materials from farther afield.
• You can send ore from one train to many different stations. One the first station's storage is full, the train will unload at the next station, and it's basically the same as a machine belt, just a little slower.

imo it's not really worth it unless you're building on a very large scale, and as others say, it's easier postgame. But nothing stops you trying to do it now, planning is just the hard part and it's tricky if you aren't familiar with which recipes are good

[rigid wedge]

its terrible tbh

[simple pebble]

Every time I mention the Satisfactory Plus mod to my partner they say it sounds like Gregtech lol

[ornate saffron]

Its a lot of screws

[simple pebble]

ehh it's not really tbh

[ornate saffron]

Gregtech is some sort of mine raft mod I gathered from a quick search

[simple pebble]

What makes SF+ crazy is that smelting ores takes more processes than assembly

[rigid wedge]

thats enough for me to install it after finishing my first playthrough xD

[eager scaffold]

so mega base building im planning to have ALL smelting in one area on my base in a different module but i wonder if that would create some major fps issues - given that i have my main base and everything else near as well, so that i know before i start

[simple pebble]

It's definitely not a mod you play before beating vanilla SF but it's fun. You will absolutely want a central smelting place in that mod

[rigid wedge]

its just hard because you need so many different processes and with tiers some things scale exponentially while others do not at all and its just hard to plan if you care about aethetics

[ornate saffron]

Totalxclipse (a youtuber) had to change his Uobject limit AND upgrade his computer just to smelt all of the iron ore in the dunes.

[fluid sapphire]

for a megafactory you do more than smelt in one place, expect fps drops

well not just drops, lower framerate in general

[reef basin]

basically megafactories are not recommended

separate your factories instead

[simple pebble]

oh god he's going to have used pure iron too

[unkempt blade]

I support your megabase dreams. Make it the megaest factory ever!

[simple pebble]

I don't want to imagine how many refineries that was

[eager scaffold]

is it chunk based so i know how far i can put each base from each other?

[rigid wedge]

so far the main diff from greg to satisfactory imo is that in satisfactory you do the same process many times but there also is only a few while in greg you tend to do 1 or even 100 different steps in 1 machine but there is also a few thousand different ones

theres maybe 80 ish different types of screws for example

[simple pebble]

oh lawd

[ornate saffron]

I think its this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh5linyzta8

[reef basin]

the point is also that logistics in one place are hell, so generally better to avoid

[rigid wedge]

and theres later on assembly lines that require you to input like 20 different items and fluids in order for it to run haha

enough of that back to my trains

[ornate saffron]

@simple pebble @eager scaffold Its this video.

i had the wrong one originally. I updated

[uneven path]

If you want to build big but are worried about performance: try building either one big factory per biome, or one big factory per phase (in different areas). It'll still hit your performance eventually but that approach will remain playable for much longer.

[eager scaffold]

i guess ill just do 1 factory each biome then have lots of train logistics

[unkempt blade]

You have to push your limits to achieve true greatness. One! Single! Megafactory!

[west jackal]

What is considered a mega factory?

[ornate saffron]

Ive never done "one factory per biome "

But I did do one train hub per biome. Forcing me to use other logistics to move product inside a biome. It was lots of fun

[unkempt blade]

all trains go to one factory 🙂

[reef basin]

building everything in a single place

[simple pebble]

oh my god the belt skeleton

[west jackal]

I have 5 rather large? Factories all within a couple hundred meters of each other... max bauxite processing, 77.5 (after sloops) fmf/min nuclear pasta with 3 pure copper, not that much but a lot of machines and other things

[ocean leaf]

Tbf, half of his uobjects is probably signs

[west jackal]

Then what is a giga factory

[uneven path]

I definitely want to do a single big mega-factory, but I would probably aim for lower target numbers of parts and rely more heavily on over clocking and slooping to keep it playable.

Building a 20/min ballistic warp drive factory in the same place I'm building everything else in for example sounds bad for my health 🤣

[reef basin]

big factory

[uneven path]

The stuff BLAndrew makes

[unkempt blade]

those are megafifthcories not megafactories

[west jackal]

So giga is smaller than mega?

[reef basin]

"megafactory" is not about size

[uneven path]

Don't get hung up on the terminology, it's just people trying to describe bigger and bigger factories

[reef basin]

again, "megafactory" isn't about size

[uneven path]

Bigger meaning either size or number of things being produced etc. there's nothing exact about it

[west jackal]

I mean it feels like when there is something like 1800 or 2000 machines all within a few hundred meters, seems like this should be considered something? Because technically its 1 central factory (aluminim) with satellites

[reef basin]

"megafactory" is a term to describe gameplay style where all your production is in one place

[reef basin]

yeah, it's something. It's "big factory"

[west jackal]

I could have them all connected, shit that would've maybe been cleaner looking but I like what ive done with it

[west jackal]

Lol okay ❤️

If only we could get our big plastic/rubber factory to stop breaking 🙁

We need to fix it before we decorate/start the nuclear build

[unkempt blade]

you're amazing and talented I believe in you fixing your big plastic problem

[uneven path]

As with all factory problems: follow it back until you find the fault

[west jackal]

Eh.. DeafBringer and I spent like 4h last night trying to figure it out, throwing all our pipe knowledge at it. Nothing. So i reached out to the pipe gods... and so far nothing has worked

[west jackal]

Eh... its weird problems. We did fix some of those

Like we had pipes that worked one minute just completely stop flow like they were disconnected

[unkempt blade]

they demand a sacrifice, you need to drive some tractors into the big hole in the middle of the map

[uneven path]

Could be pipe floor/wall hole bugs, or if you're on 1.1 there's weirdness that can happen if you place pumps or junctions on pipes that are already built rather than placing the pumps etc first.

Pipes can be fickle

[west jackal]

But that wasn't the real issue. The real issue is that our 600/m pipes dont flow at 600/m, and we have something like 7600 fuel flowing across 13 pipes so im trying to avoid splitting those into 300 pipes, and also, the HOR refiners are outputring 600 pipes but they arent flowing fast enough for some blenders

[west jackal]

None of that, it was literally just a pipe section coming into the factory with none of those holes were the issue started

[strange vortex]

It's possible to do 100% Satisfactory achigments in one world?

[west jackal]

Duh

[uneven path]

Don't do that. If someone asks a question you think is basic, that's great, you get to teach them something!

[rich parrot]

That will not do. They are angry gods of old. They demand your firstborn sloop as tractor cargo or they will just laugh at your petty attempt.

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> re: those achievements you mentioned being added in some version of Satisfactory after 1.2, will the answer to this question remain "yes" ?

[void gorge]

99%

Didn't have time to fully confirm and even then would most likely be hit with the "don't talk about that on stream"

[abstract heron]

U feeling better?

[leaden turret]

• Pepsi vs. Coke ✅
• Swearing ✅
• Current plans ✅
• Future plans ❌

[abstract heron]

How was that Easter egg which was it chocolate or something else

[leaden turret]

@void gorge bunnies don't lay eggs, were you eating bunny poop?

[abstract heron]

I was going to think that

Did Jason give me bad chocolate eggs

[unkempt blade]

it's just the new "chocolate-like product" recipe

[abstract heron]

But yes I do think having a good cleaning up video among other stuff at the end of the month is good

[near frost]

Ok withe 1.2 out rn what do you think the next update will be

[abstract heron]

Or the American made chocolate which @void gorge got sick

[unkempt blade]

ya that chocolate-like product

[west jackal]

@uneven path if you think you have an idea how to fix the pipes, I made and question and help post, cobalt wasn't able to find anything that fixed it from the ss, but I can send you the save if you want

[abstract heron]

Or something else

[rough shore]

guys i accidentally did a sick move with my keychain and i cant recreate it any tips

[ornate saffron]

do less keychain moves and more Factory cart tricks

[rough shore]

bro u dont understand it was really sick

[ornate saffron]

Im a ogre with no balance and low dexterity. Walking to the bus stop without being injured is a successful morning 🙃

[rough shore]

cheese ig idk

[coarse nova]

can you backport your saves from 1.2 to 1.1

[stone bridge]

hallo

[coarse nova]

hi

[rough shore]

wouldnt make sense if u were able to but it never hurts to try

backup ur save obviously

[coarse nova]

ok hol up, my save was used in 1.2

i switched to 1.1, and my save doesnt load

how can i backport my save

[stone bridge]

i smell problems

[normal orbit]

you dont, this is why you make backups

[coarse nova]

oh well guess i can only play on 1.2 now

[tall oyster]

SATISFACTORY
GIVE ME WET CONCRETE ALTERNATIVE RECIPE
AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[coarse nova]

why do you need wet concrete

normal concrete is so much better

[rough shore]

🤣 😂

funny pal ^

[coarse nova]

ok idk if its better, but it is good

[tall oyster]

Byproduct of alumni setup

[coarse nova]

normal concrete can generate pretty fast

[tall oyster]

Water

[coarse nova]

and you only need 1 constructor

so whats the point of complicating it

[tall oyster]

Cause I need the alternative recipe to make concrete from the water byproduct I get from mixing aluminium solution and coal

[normal orbit]

wet concrete makes literally twice the concrete from same amount of limestone

[tall oyster]

So my system doesn’t clog up if my buffer tanks fill up

[coarse nova]

ok but limestone makes enough concrete, and you can just sink the water byproduct to the awesome sink for free points

[normal orbit]

you cannot sink fluids

[tall oyster]

I was gonna say 😭

[coarse nova]

turn them into packaged lol

[tall oyster]

“Don’t over complicate it”

[stone bridge]

i want a fluid sink

[tall oyster]

Truth nuke

[coarse nova]

but if you package it you only get more points

since it goes through a longer process

win win

[native tapir]

I boxed in the entire map with walls and a ceiling to be certain that anything I built in-game would be part of a megafactory.

[tall oyster]

I really don’t need points tbh

Just need a simple way to sack off this spare water and concrete is definitely useful

[coarse nova]

still better than having to get wet concrete

plus with more points you can get the achievement for the golden nut

[tall oyster]

I just need the concrete because I’m low

[coarse nova]

especially since i asumme this is for long-term

[tall oyster]

I can change it later

[coarse nova]

ok, then just find another limestone node

its much easier than using the byproduct to make more concrete

[stone bridge]

you need plastic or steel to make the canisters

[reef basin]

reuse the water, instead of wasting it like that

[tall oyster]

I have zero use for it

[stone bridge]

fluids are complicated

[coarse nova]

Just use the water to turn it in packaged water and turn it into the awesome sink

[reef basin]

the aluminum setup needs water. So use it there

[tall oyster]

Why has wanting to make concrete caused so much controversy

[coarse nova]

thats what i do with not necesarry byproducts

[reef basin]

that's even worse than wet concrete

[stone bridge]

can we get a ficsit aproved guide for fluids

[tall oyster]

Already got all that

[rough shore]

water is free fr but if ur gonna have byproduct just loop it back?

[coarse nova]

or i use the byproducts to power fuel-powered gens

[reef basin]

then why do you need wet concrete?

[tall oyster]

Because I need concrete

[coarse nova]

not really, you get free points

[tall oyster]

It’s just concrete people

[reef basin]

you waste resources for it

[rough shore]

sinking the plastic instead of the packaged water would be better fr

[coarse nova]

no, you can use the points to buy t

[reef basin]

you could use the resources for making much more valuable items instead

[rough shore]

just drink the water

[stone bridge]

very interesting idea

[merry ridge]

Word

[west jackal]

yall are crazy, you either do pure ingots or wet concrete if you cant be arsed to properly recycle 🙂

although atm i probably shouldnt be talking? i mean my bauxite is working, but my plastic/rubber recycling plant is still down

[reef basin]

properly recycling is way easier than wet concrete

[stone bridge]

has anyone deleated a project that they are almost half way tou and are now rebuilding it from the ground up to make it with an ther design

[west jackal]

i would tend to agree, however i had some issues with it

[tall oyster]

How has a simple remark about wet concrete caused a fallout

I’m sorry people

[rough shore]

cause u need to wait for it to dry

[west jackal]

most of the issues were resolved if i filled the recycled water with fresh water first before starting the system, then it worked well on waste water

[tall oyster]

Why didn’t I think of that

[stone bridge]

it happens

[rough shore]

when ur so advanced u start forgetting the basics

[merry ridge]

Wet concrete? Well yeah, how else is it supposed to set

[rough shore]

game doesnt use wet concrete normally does it?

[reef basin]

not really a fallout

just saying you may be complicating your life more than needed 🙂

[worn oar]

There's a process called dry concrete IRL which skips the mixing process. Since wet concrete is an alternate recipe and we are just given bags full of concrete, I assume the satisfactory engineer uses that process.

(Dry concrete kind of sucks and isn't even good enough for sidewalks)

[west jackal]

when will we get roman concrete alt in satisfactory 😄

charcoal limestone and water to make much more concrete lol

[rough shore]

charcoal 🤮

why do aluminum which requires water and then complain about extra water its just free aluminum guys

[west jackal]

well romans used Ash, it was as close as i could get

[merry ridge]

I kinda wish bombs would blow up a factory,

But also don’t at same time

[west jackal]

idk sloppy electrode actually makes more water than you put in

[tall oyster]

Tbf I didn’t even think of packaging it which was a shout but I do need the concrete

[west jackal]

so its great for waste loop

[tall oyster]

So short term I’ll package long term I’ll concrete

[merry ridge]

This is a dumb question. If I have a bunch of nuclear waste in a storage box, will it get more and more irradiating?

And if I had 2 storage boxes would the rads go further?

[normal orbit]

? no it doesnt, you put in 200 water and get out 140

[white dawn]

Yes, the area of dangerous radiation will grow as more and more radioactive material accumulates. There's an inverse-square dropoff, though, so you really don't have to worry about huge areas being irradiated

[merry ridge]

Hmmmm

[white dawn]

And iodine filter usage caps out at 5/min, so you don't need much to keep you safe forever, even if you're within range

[merry ridge]

So I shouldn’t store all the waste in a bunch of boxes

[white dawn]

Where else would you store it? 🥳

[merry ridge]

Turn it into plutonium

[white dawn]

Yes, there's going to be ambient radiation; that is the price you pay for waste storage. It's really not a big deal, though

Yeah, one way to deal with Uranium Waste is to turn it into Plutonium Fuel Rods, which can then be sunk

[merry ridge]

I ain’t tryin to have like, half my map gilled with rads

[white dawn]

Or you could burn the Pu Rods, which does generates Plutonium Waste, but far more slowly than Uranium

[normal orbit]

to a point, there is a max drain of 1 iodine filter per 12 seconds

[white dawn]

The inverse-square dropoff honestly saves you quite a bit. I don't have a link to the math, but it's like literal years of playtime for radiation to accumulate enough to spread out across the whole map, even for a lot of pileup

[rough shore]

would be funny

[white dawn]

But yeah, Uranium Waste does accumulate a lot more quickly than Plutonium Waste does. (And you can always sink the Plutonium Fuel Rods for a "clean" solution, if you don't mind throwing away all that free power. :)

[rough shore]

why throw power when power

[merry ridge]

I’ll see how much of a area it limits and make a decision off of that

I’ll produce about 18k waste an hour

[normal orbit]

sounds a lot more than 300/min :p

[rough shore]

yeah cuz

big numbers are bigger

[normal orbit]

yea, just comparing to the 2520 waste/min i make :p

[west jackal]

i think there was a miscommunication. for a set of 3, i put in 180 fresh water, and get 420 waste water

but sapphic if you like pipes, you want ot try and troubleshoot my flow problems lol? McGalleon/Cobalt are working on it when they get a chance but didnt see anything obvious https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1491330112124092457

(not aluminum)

[rough shore]

dont worry i will look into it and in less than 4 minutes imma see the problem

[normal orbit]

not particularly, specially when all pipes are same color

[rain elbow]

me waiting for my spageth to make me 50 thingies so that i can start actually playing the game
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1491504826125647913

[west jackal]

If you think color coding pipes will fix my issue id be happy to 😂

[normal orbit]

would make it easier to see and spot errors

[west jackal]

I would tend to agree, but not sure how it affects the outputs that back up even though the input they are feeding is dry

[normal orbit]

also if mcgalleon is on it, he knows more than i do

[west jackal]

And yes all inputs are looped (now) the inputs having issue are not bottom fed

[west jackal]

He said he would when he gets a chance, not sure how busy the mad lad is

I also had to send him a link to download the file from Google drive and he never confirmed if he was able to download it 🤷‍♂️

For some reason my file jumped to 13MB even though the last time I backed it up like a week ago it was only a couple MB, and I couldnt get it to compress to be under 10MB

[rough shore]

not color coding ur pipes is asking them to not work fr

i tried to yk use my experience and stuff to troubleshoot but no idea whats going on

[west jackal]

Lol appreciate it boss

[rough shore]

yeah anytime man

[west jackal]

There are bottom feed pipes but those are just water and dont have issues so I got no idea. I would color code them next time I send a file for someone to look at lol

[normal orbit]

would just go over pipes and machines, and recount and redo the math to make sure numbers are correct

[rough shore]

unpowered blenders fr

[normal orbit]

if the output backs up and the inputs are dry it sure sounds like a mk1 pipe somewhere

[west jackal]

Only 1 machine goes dry on a 600 system

Ill check, but I dont think its a mk1 somewhere.

[wispy sun]

might be a dumb question but ore nodes purity cant be changed right?

[worn oar]

Charcoal is based and biopilled for making satellite steel factories. I swear by it until unlocking coke steel.

[normal orbit]

they kinda can

[west jackal]

And I recounted everything its 8 recycled plastic/rubber at max oc, they draw 75 fuel each. 6 diluted fuel blenders producing 100 each backing up with fuel even though refiners dry

[normal orbit]

if you on 1.2 you can select purity on nodes in game mode

[west jackal]

Occasionally the blenders run out of hor, and its the same freaking story as the plastic refiners

[wispy sun]

ahhh

[west jackal]

Also you can upgrade them in scim right?

[wispy sun]

welp im on 1.1

[normal orbit]

yea, but i think it needs to be a 1.2 save

[west jackal]

Oh

[west jackal]

Anyways its exactly 600 in 600 out on all pipes, they have their physical inputs of plastic/rubber so thats not an issue

[normal orbit]

yea, doesnt work on 1.1 save

[rough shore]

hear me out remove belt limits and set it so u can make custom purities

[leaden turret]

if you remove belt limits, pants fall down

[rough shore]

conveyor belts sir

[west jackal]

I know generally a buffer tank doesnt work, but in this case could it? Since the blenders push out larger quantities at a time?

[rough shore]

uh no it couldnt

[west jackal]

Im getting fed up and about to add a mf packaging loop to transport everything 😭

[normal orbit]

i place pumps before manifolds, and if needed another pump middle of it. works for me so far

[rough shore]

yeah no i just manifold pipes normally works for me so far

[west jackal]

I have pumps right before it goes up into the manifold

[rough shore]

yall have imaginary pipe problems

[normal orbit]

put another after the lift

[west jackal]

Ill send my sav you fix my factory?

[rough shore]

deal rn

[west jackal]

I can try that tonight and see

[normal orbit]

and make sure they mk2 not mk1 pumps

[hearty flame]

@strange egret #screenshots message i have like 3, but i shove the extra stuff that i dont need into a sink

[west jackal]

Its on drive bc its too big, but you'll spawn at the factory and there is a hoverpack in the hub chest

[white dawn]

-# hmmm, do complex numbers ever show up in Navier-Stokes equations? 🤔

[west jackal]

Okay, why not mk1?

[normal orbit]

less pressure

[white dawn]

-# (I am aware that Satisfactory's fluid simulation does not use Navier-Stokes)

[normal orbit]

2,5x less to be precise

[rough shore]

pressure yap its fake variables its not on the ui

[west jackal]

So the pressure is actually different? Interesting

[rough shore]

css wouldnt hide important stuff away from us

[normal orbit]

just cause it doesnt show in ui doesnt mean its not there

[strange egret]

probably going to do that soon once i finish my second coal powerplant

its filled with to much stuff at this point

[rough shore]

does it come with a .exe file

[normal orbit]

the pipe equation game uses actually have two pressure variables. static and dynamic. static is like pumps, gravity. dynamic is fullness of pipe and flow (squared)

[west jackal]

No its just the .sav lol

[rough shore]

mhm

[hearty flame]

ever had a dismantle crate that literally had over 1000 slots in it because of an entire factory teardown?

[west jackal]

You dont have to download if you dont want. I can send it a different way if you know how?

I cant on discord because its 13MB

[rough shore]

send it sir

[west jackal]

I did

[rough shore]

oh

[west jackal]

There is one set of them clearly different, this is the one that was consistently backing up

[rough shore]

brooooo i havent loaded in yet

sick hub placement

[west jackal]

I moved it to make it easier for anyone lol. There is hoverpack in chest of hub, and any mats you need should be in dd

[fiery root]

Fellas i am scared for the next step of Power harvesting
This cool thing seems quite competent

[west jackal]

Coal? Coal is bad... you need like 100 generators to make it to t5 🥺

[west jackal]

Everything is automated that you should need.

[white dawn]

One of the fun things about the game is that once enough time has elapsed, the stuff you used to find complicated/hard will seem simple/easy to Future You. :D

[west jackal]

Also @fiery root, just teasing, coal is great, untill you get oil based power

[white dawn]

Future You will be able to spin up coal power in your sleep!

[west jackal]

Or at 4am!

[strange egret]

id have to get back to you on that lol

[west jackal]

Thats when my most efficient building happens 😎

[fiery root]

But present me is crying because there is coal node
But next water is 2km away

Or like one

[white dawn]

It is well worth your time to seek out a place which has coal nodes right next to water. There's a lot of those over the map

Yes, they may be a long ways away, but I don't recommend moving coal or water. Make your coal power in a location that has both, right next to each other

Just drag some power lines behind you so you can still have a nice unified power grid

[west jackal]

Just run power lines to coal far away

Much easier than moving coal to water (and dont recommend moving water to thr coal lol)

[strange egret]

coal power is not hard to set up

currently working on my second plant

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, if you are gonna move one to the other, make sure you're belting the coal instead of piping the water

But, IMO, don't do either. Just find somewhere where you've got both

[west jackal]

Fully agreed with all that

In the desert I normally just use the east nodes and lifts to take it down to the water

[fiery root]

Aight
And there is no way to terraform a flow from the big seas to my coal?

[rigid wedge]

My first coal setup is using 2 belts spanning across half my starter zone

Was cheaper than expected

[strange egret]

#screenshots message

have another row of powerplants behind me

[west jackal]

Lol no

[white dawn]

No terraforming in the game. You can some specific rocks, and much of the foliage can be destroyed, but the landscape itself is fixed.

[west jackal]

I wish

[fair gulch]

@burnt wharf

[rigid wedge]

Is it possible to have something in the hands slot and select a empty one?

[west jackal]

But it would be so laggy if they did add that

[strange egret]

i highly recomend making a bomb factory asap

[rigid wedge]

I saw someone build inside of a mountain with trains but idk if it was a mod or something

[strange egret]

whenever i need more i just head to the factory

[strange egret]

oh no, you just need to clip under the map

[white dawn]

There's various ways to "clip into" the terrain, and train rail is one of those ways, for sure.

Once you're in there it'll become quite apparent that the game doesn't really intend for you to be doing so, though

[west jackal]

lol you can do it... and it can look cool... but i wouldnt recommend that for your first playthrough lol

[white dawn]

And there's definitely "terraforming" like feature to make it look any better

[fiery root]

Aight thanks fellas
Bouta time to make that xeno Planet healthier

[west jackal]

healthier???

this is not the way

[fiery root]

Sir i meant i pump my burned coal into the armosphere
Giving them xenos a bigger ozone layer

[strange egret]

#screenshots message

[west jackal]

Ah.. got it

more power

[rigid wedge]

This is me humble coal funny stuff #screenshots message

[fiery root]

More warmth
Less xenos

[worn oar]

Best: building near coal and water
Better: taking the coal to the water
Bad: taking the water to the coal

Pick one

[fiery root]

Ada told me its all about efficiency
And ada gave me a microbreak just yesterday..
So near coal and water it is

[white dawn]

Inspired: Taking both the coal and the water to some undisclosed third location, where they can mingle in peace!

[strange egret]

i like building my coal factories near a big body of water- i can expand it infinitely. so id argue better is best

[worn oar]

There are multiple places with large bodies of water and nearby coal, which is why best is above better

[west jackal]

that played some... weird music in my head

[fiery root]

I noticed i didnt even expkored the west properly.. could be that there is my sweet new power is hiding

[west jackal]

what biome you in?

actually i dont want to spoil nothin

[fiery root]

The first one
Looked more lovely than some dessert

[rigid wedge]

Kinda wish there was a jetski

[fiery root]

Kinda wish there was more weaponary

[burnt wharf]

yes ?

[rigid wedge]

A catapulted jetski?

[dense roost]

hello

i am new to server

[fiery root]

Especially early game

I am convinced a good rifle or armored vehicle is just as necessary as some generators

[fiery root]

I like the way ur thinking

[rigid wedge]

Everything can be a weapon with some acceleration

Makes me wonder what would happen if you would fell the space elevator

[fiery root]

A satisfactory where we would need to capture the xeno ground before deforest and abuse their planet

[earnest bridge]

what u do after getting the golden nut is there anything more to do or js quit the game?

[fiery root]

Second golden nut

[ornate saffron]

im sure there is some modded options, you could ask the Modding discord

[earnest bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-emoji-no-no-emotiguy-no-no-no-gif-gif-9742000569423889376

[unkempt blade]

I'm going to mod the asking discord instead

[ornate saffron]

you do you fam.

[fluid sapphire]

if you operate entirely on extrinsic motivation then yes

[unkempt blade]

continent-spanning factory cart skatepark

[earnest bridge]

good idea 👍

[strange egret]

im planning to get 1 million of each item

id consider the game complete by then

1 million raw iron ore, 1 million screws- rods- ai limiters- and so on

[hearty flame]

dam

[fluid sapphire]

for me "complete" will probably be having an ongoing production for everything that can be automated

[hearty flame]

start again
with a different approach

[fiery root]

Fella is preparing to jump to the next xeno planet

[unkempt blade]

one million scr-

[fluid sapphire]

doesnt mean its the end though

[earnest bridge]

how? like trying to balance everything instead of just making a line of mainfold 🤔

[strange egret]

i think he means a diffrent spawn?

or you could try to do sushi belts only

[earnest bridge]

yeah i would rather delete the game

[strange egret]

if you get a smart splitter early on it could be not that bad

in theory of course

[west jackal]

Idk i could've gotten it before t9

[earnest bridge]

got t9 before

[rough shore]

Maximum amount of points per minute

[native tapir]

Let me know if you want an unofficial list of things to do.

[west jackal]

Factory carts race track 😎

[native tapir]

That is so 2025

[earnest bridge]

noooooooooo

[rough shore]

Factory cart shaped factory cart race track

[native tapir]

Already in progress. 50ish people working on this project

[bleak valley]

Finished my new steel factory now I can go back to messing around

[earnest bridge]

yeah give me a list ( not from chatgpt pls )