satisfactory

[steady magnet]

They're better at using friction to cut through things, and if the flakes that get sent out are too large, or aren't cleanly seperated, they gum up the mechanisms.

Tl;dr, chainsaws rely on the thing they're cutting into being firm and sturdy so they can saw through it easily via friction and a minimal cutting edge. Against things that tear, their blade is still dangerous, but will rapidly lose effectiveness.
This makes sense considering how the chainsaw blade design was originally designed for cutting through human bone, iirc.

This is outside of the scope of Satisfactory, but if you wanted a true powered melee weapon, you'd want its blade to be able to rapidly vibrate forwards and backwards or up and down to engage a sawing motion through whatever they hit, without as much risk of the motor getting clogged by what you're cutting.
Basically, a powered carving knife.

The downside being that the wear this would put on the blade itself is immense.

Alternatively, a powered suit with a massive maul would also work as a powered melee weapon, depending on the definition.

[mint spire]

I've always thought Star Wars vibroblades were cool for that reason. The edges of the blades vibrated on a molecular level to literally saw through things on the atomic level. Only beaten by Lightsabers in cutting power.

[steady magnet]

Exactly!

And yeah, they're cool!

[wind ore]

hi all! is there a way to turn off the creepy ada voice after picking up stuff? its really creeping me out 😭

[steady magnet]

The only real implausible part to them (Warning: I am not an expert. I am a nerd on the internet.) is that molecular cutting edge, and how it would need to withstand the same atomic-level forces it enacts on whatever it cuts through.

[steady magnet]

Not without skipping the message itself, but... as creepy as they are, their comments bear importance and are comprehensible.
The cure to the fear of the unknown is to face it and comprehend it, but if you're not ready for that, then skipping them is also equally valid.

On PC you can skip any dialog by hitting the enter key.

[wind ore]

but there wouldn't be actually scary stuff popping up right

[mint spire]

Apparently some obsidian can be sharpened down to a edge of literally just a few atoms wide, but are too brittle to be of much actual use.

[steady magnet]

There isn't any actual scary stuff, even if their translation of their concepts and syntax is a bit off-putting. They're... not malicious, as far as I can tell. Just... different.

[mint spire]

Depends what you consider scary. The large Stinger enemies can be kind of nightmare-inducing.

[steady magnet]

Well, where there's a beneficial trait in engineering, there's a way to use it, because many pre-colonial American cultures utilized obsidian shards within the Macahuitl, a weapon that was as decisive for their culture as the spear was for Europe's, though I personally associate it most with Mayan culture.

A macahuitl is a type of weapon that is... hard to cleanly describe from a eurocentric perspective. It's not a sword. Rather, it's a wooden frame for stability and rigidity with effectively obsidian razor blades embedded into it to form a brutal cutting edge that isn't continuous.
It could make wounds far more severe than most swords, and it was developed in an interesting context because workable metal wasn't exactly something afforded to many pre-colonial American cultures.

[mint spire]

Really, anything is a weapon if you swing it hard enough. 🤷‍♂️

[ornate saffron]

I love me a good convo around Macahuitl.. but this maybe a conversation best for #off-topic-general

[steady magnet]

Technically true, but a Macahuitl is a weapon designed to be one.
And in its context, it is a brilliant weapon because it uses obsidian's strength, its viciously sharp cutting edge, without having to deal too heavily with its weakness, its brittleness.
This was THE weapon that warfare evolved around in the region, to my understanding.

[steady magnet]

Fair, my apologies.

[ornate saffron]

pretty sure there is a toggle in options

maybe search ADA in the options search bar

[mild gate]

Hello, i would like to ask if there is an existing feedback regarding trucks / drones having conditional states?

I would like to have the drones only departing if it is carrying a full load. instead of constantly flying back and forth, sometimes not even carrying more than half load.

I know we can achieve that by trains, with the loading/unloading conditional statements. But It would be great if we can see that being added to drones and trucks too.

[ornate saffron]

The Q and A site is a great spot for feedback.

Land vehicles are getting a overhaul in 1.2 which is live on experimental so any changes to them will have to wait until the new system is in place on the main branch

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @ornate saffron

[mild gate]

Thank you

[fossil oyster]

Unfortunately logistical options are very limited by design, it seems. They want players to figure these things out.

[mild gate]

I mean, i understand the basic usage, where the trucks and drones can replace conveyor belts by bringing items constantly back and forth.

But i'm trying to create a factory where i have some items that produce super slowly and i want those transport to wait till the load is full before moving out.. that way it is more fuel efficient as well.

[normal orbit]

Can't you set drones to wait for full load?

[prime basin]

does anyone know why multiselect is limited to 50? also i think it would be cool to be able to copy and paste or even just nudge, selected buildings

[mild gate]

there's no option to.

[normal orbit]

Could've sworn there is

[mild gate]

same goes for trucks. you cant set those in trucks too

only way i see is trains, where there is an option for conditional statement to wait for full frieght

[fossil oyster]

Nope, there is no option to. The play here is to just make a lot of packaged fuel/battery and not worry about fuel usage for these vehicles. It's not "efficient", but since you're probably sinking excess packaged fuel at least you are getting something out of it

[mild gate]

i mean if drones and trucks got those additional conditional statements, we can probably see more usage of drones / trucks around factories

[fossil oyster]

It doesn't change much really

People aren't using tractors/trucks because you can't set load/unload values. They aren't using them because their use case is kind of niche and it is a pain setting them up.

And, people are using tons of drones, as they are kind of OP

[fluid sapphire]

Hardly op

[dense violet]

you can already do this by flooding the drop off point - it won't leave until it can unload completely and whe nit flies back it should be fairly full pick up

also fuel cost is basically meaningless

[dense violet]

likely the only reason trains have that option is because it's the only vehicle that increasing pick ups per time can reduce teh overall throughput, while trucks and drones don't do this

[mild gate]

i mean, one use case was i was using it to bring all the stuff that needs to be recycled to my recycling facilities. .

after coming back to base from an exploration trip, there are a lot of stuff that needs to be sorted out and recycled each time. that's why i was hoping i can have a dropoff point that wait till the drone is full, before transporting the full trash load to the facilities. instead of wasting fuel flying empty load routes

[fossil oyster]

It kind of removes any logistical challenge.

[reef basin]

by what?

[fluid sapphire]

Considering the low throughput, not really

[fossil oyster]

Just build more. Feed them with ionized fuel. Their throughput isn't that low

[reef basin]

you still need to provide fuel

that's the logistical challenge

[fossil oyster]

Okay.

1. Build packaged (turbo)(ionized)(rocket)fuel plant.
2. Build Drone Port with no Drone on it.
3. Transport packaged stuff into Drone Port
4. Have a Drone Port at your factory whose purpose is JUST picking up fuel, and distribute it among all your drone ports.

Challenge solved

[reef basin]

build train
have power
challenge solved

[fossil oyster]

Yeah except no because your train network can be terrible.

Wrongly placed stations. Poor intersections. Single tracks. Too many to name

[reef basin]

your drone network can also be terrible
your fuel plant can be terrible

that's not an argument

[fossil oyster]

You love to argue, don't you :D

[reef basin]

if you build something wrong, it will suck, yeah. But that can be said about anything

I just don't understand argument "trains suck because you can build them badly, but drones are fine even though you can also build them badly"

[fossil oyster]

My initial argument was "drones are kinda OP" and I still stand by that statement

[reef basin]

🤷

[fossil oyster]

If it wasn't for the drone bug I would probably have like 500 by now in my save

[ornate saffron]

The idea of waste is something I needed to change my view on. Nodes are endless in this game. It doesn't matter if a drone is making extra trips if the fuel source is essentially limitless.

[fossil oyster]

(which, apparently, has been fixed in 1.2)

[mild gate]

what was the drone bug? i wasnt aware

[fossil oyster]

Sometimes they freeze midair. You will have to delete the drone and rebuild it. Or re-load the savegame.

[mild gate]

havent used drones enough to notice the bug

[ornate saffron]

Sometimes they just float chilling somewhere.

Enjoying the sunrise drinking margaritas

[mild gate]

ah okie.

[fossil oyster]

It seems to only happen if you use a lot of drones, and only randomly. In my save it would happen like every 10-15 minutes when I had 150 drones. I have since scaled down on them (and expanded my train network A LOT) to only like 60-70 and it very very rarely happens now.

And it was miserable since my drones were necessary in my uranium waste recycling. So many times I had a mini tsjernobyl because my drones would freeze :D

Also, trains are cooler.

[ornate saffron]

Did you make shining time station?

[fossil oyster]

I'm not much for asthetics

[obtuse crown]

wasnt there some update to pipes coming in 1.2? cant see anything in the patch notes related to that

[ornate saffron]

Nope. Just t junctions

And fluid trucks

Some people hoped for more though

[obtuse crown]

yeah i mean i didnt hope for anything, friend of mine just said "they promised fixes for 1.2!!1!1!!" so im just wondering lol

[ornate saffron]

No promises were made.

One trailer had rhe thumbnail saying

"We fixed fluids, sort of) thats it

After 1000plus hours I can say when I have fluid issues its user error lol

[fossil oyster]

Nothing really needed fixing, fluids work "fine". But they could use an overhaul

[obtuse crown]

Okay sorry.

I wont ask anything again.

Geez.

[ornate saffron]

Not insulted or attacking. Just giving you info

[obtuse crown]

okay sure but unnecessary whitespaces for no reason though

like thanks for the info i guess

[split trench]

FPS has an impact, if any players has a setup where they can consistently repro the issue, we would gladly look into the save file.

[south sinew]

I wouldn't say nothing needs fixing, when the community advice is things like "don't use pipes at max capacity", "don't use buffers", "priority merging/splitting of fluids is practically impossible", etc, then it really feels like fluids just don't really work very well

[ornate saffron]

The biggest issue is have with pipes is all the information the user gets beyond max flow rate is inferred. You cannot directly see what's happening.

[fossil oyster]

Yeah, I don't disagree, but fluids "work". Like, how come my super large factory with 100,000s of liquids / min pumping around is working at 100% efficiency, but others aren't?

[south sinew]

that's not really "working"

that's just "not so broken that it's literally impossible to use them"

it's far from "doing what the player wants or what the designers obviously intended"

[fossil oyster]

It's not broken, they could just be more intuitive. It's hard to troubleshoot liquids, unlike belts

[south sinew]

when they added fluid parts, like buffers, that just make things worse, it's hard to conclude that that is not broken

even the factorio 1.1 fluids weren't that bad ;p

[fossil oyster]

Yeah , like I said, I would not have minded an update to fluids, but they aren't broken or anything.

They're just unintuitive. And a player should not have to go to YouTube or some PDF Piping Manual to figure out that VIP junctions serve a purpose or whatever

[void cliff]

Can’t wait to unlock coal power on the new playthrough lol… what’s the power cost of a water extractor?

[south sinew]

20 MW which is not very much when you consider each one powers 200MW of coal power

[reef basin]

Pipes at max capacity can work just fine, just needs to be built for it

Buffers make no sense to be used, no matter how they are implemented (apart from train buffering and off-grid storage)

Priority merge/split is indeed not really possible due to bidirectional nature of pipes (and also not really needed in context of SF recipes). The few setups that do so rely on some black magic and hence are not recommended.

Fluids work well in the cases they were designed for. Players just try to do weird things with them

[south sinew]

if that is true, then there would never have been buffers shipped in the game, they obviously exist because the designers thought that they had a use

[reef basin]

They have - trains and off-grid storage

[fossil oyster]

There's storage containers. There's fluid containers (buffers).

[reef basin]

Same as you don't put solid storages anywhere other than final storage or train buffers, fluid containers are used in same places (except storage of final product for personal use doesn't naje sense with fluids)

[ornate saffron]

If they added maple syrup it would. But my Canadian is showing

[fossil oyster]

Shouldn't you be sleeping

[normal orbit]

Well they could fix the major bugs. Like pipe bisection. Pipes losing fluid on save/loads and the junction issues not splitting evenly

[fossil oyster]

Pipes losing fluid on save/loads? I have never encountered this

[normal orbit]

Fixing the UI would be nice too so it reports correct numbers

Save/load like 10 times in a row. And you'll see last few machines having issues. Leave for an hour or two and it fixes itself overtime

[fossil oyster]

My save takes nearly 5 minutes to load, not too keen on reproducing that bug :d

[reef basin]

Can do creative save

[fossil oyster]

Is this a known bug then? I've never heard of it

[normal orbit]

Fairly known

[stone scarab]

I’ve never had it

Even with my biggest builds they seem to be fine

[reef basin]

Yeah didn't hear of it either

[normal orbit]

It's just not something you'll see cause loading normall the loss is small and you play long enough it fixes itself before you save and quit

[fossil oyster]

I have a closed loop sulfuric acid and uranium waste blender setup. I inserted water into this system like 700 hours ago. Not once have they run dry.

[dense violet]

There used to be a fluid deletion bug back in u6 or so. Got fixed

[reef basin]

May be related to those fps issues

[fossil oyster]

(no new water is added to this system, as it is a closed loop system. the blender recipe outputs water into the sulfuric acid refinery. the sulfur acid refinery outputs acid into the blender)

[reef basin]

Rather than fluid deletion

[prime basin]

Fellow Canadian Spotted?!

[ornate saffron]

There is a few of us here 🙃

[stone scarab]

Makes sense, I don’t usually inspect every machine closely… because why would I

[prime basin]

Cool

[normal orbit]

I just found about it cause I've been playing around with designs and just playing few a minutes at a time. Saw my fuel gens were being starved. Left it on for 2 hours back to normal

[peak valve]

hello, where is a good place to get some plumbing help here? -_-

[dense violet]

#math-and-meta or #1038092680493801533

[crystal cedar]

That's possible cuz I've never seen that issue either

[peak valve]

ty

[fossil oyster]

Hey look another user with fluid troubles!

[fossil oyster]

You can use this channel as well

[prime basin]

Really????!!!! We never get those here! /j

[peak valve]

i have like 4 blenders making diltued fuel

and last one cannot empty itself properly

[fossil oyster]

How is it being consumed?

What kind of pipes are you using?

Are your blenders overclocked?

[normal orbit]

I have a save which may have issue. Either fluid loss on save/loss or fps issue where I'm at like half the framerate now due to new monitor. If it's of interest.

[peak valve]

mk2 pipes, it's fed into 9 refineries overclocked to consume 66.667 fuel per minute making recycled plastic

pipe splits off on first junction and 2nd one goes to last machine

feeding system from opposite end

[fossil oyster]

Yeah you are trying to squeeze 600m3 of fluid through a 600m3 pipe. Apparently that's not possible in nthis game! :D

[dense violet]

the trouble with asking here is that in like 98% of fluid issues you need images
you can't post images here

[peak valve]

where can i post images?

[dense violet]

so ... post and talk in #math-and-meta so we can look at images and talk about them

[peak valve]

ok

[fossil oyster]

Just split the pipes in two. 4 blenders, 2 output pipes, instead of 1 output pipe

[reef basin]

It is tho

[fossil oyster]

I know it is, I'm being pedantic

But here is (yet another) user having trouble with 600m3 pipes

[prime basin]

do poeple still be hatin on batteries?

[reef basin]

Yet another user who didn't treat the pipes enough to support 600 🤷

(And I'm not saying the game gives you enough info or something)

[fossil oyster]

They are kind of left in the dust for 1.0 and 1.1, ever since they introduced packaged fuel for drones. But I still use them for Super-State Computers

[reef basin]

No, they are fine for vehicle fuel

[prime basin]

what about power storage?

[ivory condor]

Its possible, just not initiative, which I dont like

[reef basin]

Kinda pointless tbh, build more power instead of building storage

[fossil oyster]

My battery storage has saved me countless times.

[prime basin]

they're kinda useful if you have a habit of constantly forgetting your max production

[prime basin]

same

[fossil oyster]

It's useful for emergency oh-shit situations. But not much else

[reef basin]

More power would've done the same thing

[ivory condor]

Personally I wish i could pipe manifolds without needing to loop both ends, but unfortunately back flow aka sloshing, etc, it just doesnt work that way

[fossil oyster]

Sure. But the battery saved me when my drones were bugging out

[primal lark]

I have just started playing satisfactory basically and have a factory built on the ground but have seen on YouTube videos people using foundations but don't get how to use them

[reef basin]

~~Feed drones with batteries 😛 ~~

[fossil oyster]

Just place them on the ground. And place machines on foundations?

[ivory condor]

Other things i dont like, how the game i dont know doesnt explain pipe mechanics well enough, the fact you have to go to a third party pipe manual just to understand something the game should explain....is a little crazy imo

[ornate saffron]

foundations are optional.

BUT you just place them where you want. I like the lines on them to help me line up machines and to judge spacing

[prime basin]

i have at least 2 of those an hour

[primal lark]

So it doesn't matter how they are set up?

[prime basin]

what part don't you understand?

[prime basin]

you can press... i think it was ctrl, to snap to the world grid if you want your factories to align

[fossil oyster]

I recently had them when my vehicles would bug out and they would just be in a standoff. No uranium fuel rods were beinhg transported

[primal lark]

How to make them so it's easy to grow the factory

[prime basin]

just put them a bit above ground level with the 4m foundations, align to world grid with ctrl, then zoop out as required

[ornate idol]

Foundations are not optional. Aside from that being crazy-talk, in a practical sense, good luck building an entire factory without ever having machines on a second floor.

[fossil oyster]

incoming "huehuehue they are entirely optional because you finish the game without them"

[prime basin]

i tried that on my first playthrough, i never finished phase 2

[ornate saffron]

not really. its personally choice.

they can clip to each other to make nice flat wide floors so you can make you factories look like circuit boards
#screenshots message
Or you can clip them into each other very precisely making unique designs
#screenshots message'

[ornate idol]

you can also surround your buildings with them, paint them green, and pretend they're grass.. I built an entire functional neighborhood with yards and everything, fake grass is way better than that dirty stuff.

[prime basin]

lol

[ornate saffron]

there is no wrong way to play, use foundations or dont both options are valid.

[prime basin]

thats the beauty of this game

there is no "right" way

[meager bone]

I had very wierd bug today which locked me out of the game...Keyboard was unresponsive and any key press would just result in clicky sound.I had to reset my pc since I cannot even access menu by pressing ESC. Anyone else had the same issue? I was able to navigate trough main menu with mouse and test gamepad controls, which worked fine, but I dont really enjoy playing with controller. Im on experimental branch

[ornate idol]

normally I agree with that, but again, outside of some youtuber making a meme playthrough, it's not practical to be able to complete the game without using foundations, just from the space machines and logistics take up.

[fossil oyster]

People have completed no-foundation runs

[ornate saffron]

I have but i traced the issue to Nvidia. it wasnt the game

[sterile blade]

This is better posted in #satisfactory-experimental or #1038092680493801533 (which can make a whole thread for one issue)

[fossil oyster]

And I agree with you. It's not practical

[plush trellis]

Apart from mam stuff, do I need quartz?

[fossil oyster]

Yes.

You need every resource in the game to complete it (except uranium)

[dense violet]

yes

all the resources are used in the tiers

[eager siren]

Are blueprints stored locally on pc? I built a new pc and they are no longer there.

[ornate idol]

yes, they're saved per save

[fossil oyster]

Yes , locally , and per save

[eager siren]

hm. So i need the old save file and?

[ornate idol]

just google search, it'll tell you the folder, they'll be individual files you can copy.

[dense violet]

folder locations are stated in #faq

[ornate idol]

users/<name>/something something

[eager siren]

I know where the save files are

[ornate idol]

You're set then!

[ornate saffron]

provided he still has access to the old files

[eager siren]

I still have my old pc, It's not up and running but I have my workbench I can run it on. I'm a few hours in on new build though,

[ornate idol]

I have a creative save that I load up when I need a new bp and use its mk3 designer then copy it to my current world.

[ornate saffron]

its simply just moving the blueprint files (each bp has two files) from the old save to the bp folder on the new save.

you need to make a blueprint on your new world for the blueprint folder to be created. making it manually in file explorer does not work

[eager siren]

Got it. Thank you

[jagged nymph]

initiative?

[ivory condor]

My brain

[jagged nymph]

what was it supposed to say

intuitive?

[ornate saffron]

intuitive

Im a pro at poor grammer spelling and typos

[ivory condor]

But my brain put that word, dont ask me why

[jagged nymph]

how do you even ensure you have a constant 600, i just aim for around 550 average

[ivory condor]

Loop both ends

[ornate saffron]

i dont know how i achieve it. But i do so everytime i max OC a pure oil node

[jagged nymph]

thats different cause its coming from one source

i tend to get micro stutters when im merging multiple machines output

[fossil oyster]

Whenever I design factories with liquids, I never go higher than 500m3 per pipe. Don't want to risk having issues with them

[ornate saffron]

i dont even try for 600flow outside of oil.

I like micro manifolds for easy trouble shooting and scaling

[fossil oyster]

Obviously this is unavoidable when trying to get 600m3 out of a pure oil node of course

[ivory condor]

Standard looping both ends typically works

[gentle stratus]

yo,how do i play the 1.2 exp?

[ornate saffron]

steam or epic

[gentle stratus]

steam

[knotty bear]

So my current sorting system just takes EVERYTHING from my old base on a MK 3 Conveyor over to a new base where it's sorted, if it can't sort (item storage is full for that item) 2/3rds the item are sinked, the other one takes another trip around in case it was a matter of just it didn't go in for no reason.
Woke up this morning to 22 tickets.
Now I have 55 tickets in storage, not sure how to check total amount of tickets I have.

[ornate saffron]

when i am done spending tickets i put them back into the awesome sink. I achieve this by clicking on the awesome sink and printing a ticket. then i drag my stack from my inv to the print out then close the window

this way i always know where they all are and how much i have

[fossil oyster]

Oh I can put tickets back into the counter?

[ornate saffron]

yes sir

[fossil oyster]

I have like 5,000 tickets perma stuck in my inventory or in my HUB

[ornate idol]

I just leave them in the chest that is built into the hub.

[knotty bear]

I upload mine to dimensional storage until I guess at some point I'll deal with it if I somehow get over 500. I don't know how to check total amount ever checked out though.

[fossil oyster]

Oh nice, 5,000 tickets closer to my goal of 100,000 tickets !

[ornate saffron]

i usd to do this. Until i started moving my hub all the time

[ornate idol]

why do you keep moving your hub?

[knotty bear]

Respawn point moves and no reason to keep it in one place?

[jagged nymph]

toilet fixes that

[ornate saffron]

i dont view any location as home. I just have projects.

i move my hub to my current project

[fossil oyster]

This is the way

[jagged nymph]

im doing a central megafactory so i absolutely have a home

[ornate idol]

my hub stays at my warehouse.

[knotty bear]

Okay, so I have my dimensional depot, should I get inventory uploading, 25% upload speed, or stack size upgrade 1?

[fossil oyster]

Yes.

[jagged nymph]

all of them

[fossil oyster]

Eventually you want all of them anyway.

[ornate idol]

I guess I don't die enough to need a mobile spawn point..

[ornate saffron]

Eventually all. BUT if you want more upload speed you can always just use more depot

[prime basin]

i usually start with stack upgrade size for the very first upgrade, way more useful short term

[knotty bear]

I can get one of them right now

[jagged nymph]

then get more spheres and fluctuators

[ornate saffron]

i will kill myself (often to falling) its only a matter of time

[knotty bear]

I find them while I'm building a factory for some resource or another

Next resource will probably have to be computers

[ornate idol]

also, the first thing I do for any project is build rail to it, so even if I were to find myself back at the hub, I'm just a quick train ride away.

[jagged nymph]

when i die its almost always when i click the respawn button

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f7zJq-oYTXg
holy....

[prime basin]

idk why but the fall damage is this game feels wildly inconsistent

[ornate saffron]

if you have max hp you are always left at 1.

if you have less then max you can die.

this makes it feel inconsistant

[prime basin]

im talking about taking fall damage

[ornate saffron]

me too

[knotty bear]

I realized that I could always live at one so my hypertube cannons don't need jetpack.

[ornate idol]

with a jetpack and bladerunners, I don't recall the last time I died to fall damage. Most of my deaths are from my disrespecting boss mobs.

[prime basin]

like sometimes ill jump off a medium cliff and take no fall damage, but then ill slide jump while going down a ramp and thake like 3 bars

[jagged nymph]

why doesnt everything use power

[abstract heron]

time to make my math and brain explode by automation somethign HUGE

[prime basin]

satisfactory modeller

[prime basin]

wdym?

[jagged nymph]

and what might that beeeeeee

[abstract heron]

making 100 nuclear pasta NOT overclocking anything

[jagged nymph]

belts, chests,crafting benches, mam, xeno zapper, balde runners, object scanner, your suit, etc /j

[abstract heron]

Minus Miners ofc

[knotty bear]

Actually my next 2 automations are:
Heavy modular frame
Then High Speed Interconnect.

[prime basin]

why would a crafting bench use power? they are all mechanical, you are literally sitting there with a hammer

[jagged nymph]

my next thing is 200 RIP and i think 95 modular frames

[ornate idol]

I just started my packaged diluted fuel power plant, that was 5 train cars worth of materials. I love the math phase of planning a build, spreadsheets are fun!

[rain wedge]

drones shooting blue and green flames look so cool tbh

[jagged nymph]

to uhh ummm idk

[prime basin]

same with blade runners i believe, they are mechanical not electrical, and im pretty sure it was said at somepoint that the suits are solar powered

as for everything else, probably just for gameplay reasons, hard to make, annoying to use

[ornate saffron]

scifi magic. Dont worry about it.

[ornate idol]

conveyors taking power would discourage creative building, it would suck the fun straight out of the game.

[jagged nymph]

youre not even questioning why chests would use power 😭

[knotty bear]

I have 2 hard drives rn
1 has Pure Iron Ingot and Electrode Circuit Board
The other has Coated Cable and Bolted Plate.

What should I go for with them?

[jagged nymph]

whatever you will use

youll unlock everything eventually anyway

[rain wedge]

whats the ingredient for those 2 first 👏

[prime basin]

i didn't even notice lol

[ornate idol]

sit on them until you need one, it's beneficial to not take the recipes unless you need them.

[knotty bear]

I think the most immediantly beneficial is bolted iron plate, it would end up letting me improve speed on a few things for not that high of a price and infrastructure change

[prime basin]

sitting on them takes them out of the pool, so you are more likely to get good recipes on your next roll because it cant roll a recipe already available

[dense violet]

combo it with steel screw

[rain wedge]

imo 1 of the screw's recipe is the best 1 ingot for idk few screws (skipping the rod stuff)

[abstract heron]

@unborn gyro i am going to do a big project ever 😄

making 100 nuclear pasta no overclocking minus in miners

[fossil oyster]

Why do you hate yourself

[abstract heron]

i don't

[fossil oyster]

Nuclear pasta is such a boring build

[abstract heron]

i feel its not

[fossil oyster]

Oh look, let's make 10,000 refineries making copper ingot

[abstract heron]

i am doing biome factorys

you COULD do ik not EXP area turn it up to extreme in game modes with space elevator

[fossil oyster]

You need 20,000 copper powder. How are you going to get 120,000 copper ingots? Sloops? All Pure Nodes?

[abstract heron]

i have ways

[fossil oyster]

That's not an answer

Not really, it's just a lot of idle time

And pasta is usually the last thing you automate in Phase 4. When you transition to Phase 5 you just slowly keep working on it until you unlock the other stuff

The thought of abandoning my 850 hour save gives me nightmares. I wish they added some post-game stuff instead of new-game+ stuff :(

[abstract heron]

me having 5,062hr save

[fossil oyster]

Haha yeah. How can you ever give that up

It's like abandoning your child

[abstract heron]

if game breaks or needing to restart due to update

and i tend to play at my OWN rules

[reef basin]

It's not

[reef basin]

Flip a coin if you don't know

[prime basin]

or save them

thats usually the better option

[reef basin]

Not really, unless you're specifically looking for one recipe

[dense violet]

recipes in the mam do you no good
you're never locked out of recipes

[reef basin]

Unpicked alts are not usable
Picked alts give you options

[prime basin]

true

but if you got rotton luck and both are bad, definitely save them

[ornate saffron]

bad is a opinion, All of them have uses

for example i use Biocoal for my munitions facility

[prime basin]

yeah, by bad i just meant not useful to you based on how you like to do things

[reef basin]

There's nothing like a bad recipe
Though yeah, if you don't like either and won't ever use either, reroll or keep them

[dense violet]

all recipes have their uses
some are general use
some specific

[ornate saffron]

its a thing you need to clairify here, The bad recipe topic is a common one here lol

[prime basin]

sorry lol

ill keep that in mind

[tranquil hemlock]

Anyone know the burn rate of turbofuel for a fully OC'd fuel-powered generator?

[reef basin]

Build it and see

It tells you the number

[ornate saffron]

off hand know.

do you know how to work this out in game?

[dense violet]

!wikisearch fuel_powered_generator

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel_powered_generator

[dense violet]

look at the 100% rate
multiple it by 2.5

for 250%

[reef basin]

It's not a big problem, but many people genuinly believe there are good and bad recipes, hence why you got the answer

[prime basin]

whats the general opinion on satisfactory modeler?

[reef basin]

Even better to look ingame

[dense violet]

you might as well just sketch on paper and use a calculator

[reef basin]

Some people like it but it's a lot of manual work. It's layouting tool more than a calculator/optimiser

[ornate saffron]

some love it others not so much

I just want the raw numbers so spreadsheets and tools is good enough for me

[reef basin]

Also I'm not a big fan of having to install it through steam

[prime basin]

yeah, thats kinda wierd

[tranquil hemlock]

Doesn't it use more than 250%? I was under the impression that it would multiply the output by 250%, but consume exponentially more resources; similar to how OCing a production building produces 250% more but uses more than 250% power

[dense violet]

nope item consumption and production is linear with clocking

[reef basin]

No, gens scale linearly

[tranquil hemlock]

Ok, thanks

[reef basin]

Production machines scale exponentially (well, power usage does)

[dense violet]

but the consumption and production of items will still be linear

[fossil oyster]

@ornate saffron screenshot of your spreadsheets? #screenshots

[ornate saffron]

something like that ^_^. Im at work for the next 8 hours

[fossil oyster]

I didn't make mine, got it from somewhere

[jagged nymph]

im not good enough at using spreadsheets to make a good one to plan out my megafactory

[limpid cairn]

after 3h

[jagged nymph]

i have one but im doing it all manually and it looks bad

[limpid cairn]

i finished my reinforced iron plating factory

[fossil oyster]

Mine is all manual as well, but it gives you the greatest control

[jagged nymph]

how many

[ornate saffron]

I started playing satisfactory to learn spreadsheets lol

[jagged nymph]

lmao

[limpid cairn]

10per minute

[jagged nymph]

nice

[limpid cairn]

im playing skyblock tbf

[jagged nymph]

?

[ornate saffron]

im not joking. pinnning something you enjoy to learning is a great way to make progress

[jagged nymph]

true

my next thing i have to setup in my megafactory is 200 rip

[fossil oyster]

What are you building

[rough shore]

a megafactory

[fossil oyster]

huehuehue, what are you building 200 rip for

[jagged nymph]

everything

[fossil oyster]

Okay

[rough shore]

yeah

[fossil oyster]

Guess I play this game differently

I figure out what I want in the end and build backwards

[jagged nymph]

this is the first save im doing this way

[fossil oyster]

Yeah okay

[jagged nymph]

same, i started with the very last space elevator parts, and worked backwards

[rough shore]

u will play the game in a lot of different ways as u progress

[fossil oyster]

Okay so you know what you need 200 rip for then

[jagged nymph]

yes

all the stuff that needs rip

[rough shore]

thats so crazy

[jagged nymph]

or actually ill need like 180 or something but i rounded up in case of error in my math or smth

[fossil oyster]

Why? It makes sense

[jagged nymph]

basically i shouldnt ever have to automate the same item twice unless i did my math wrong

[bright apex]

the new vehicle pathing system has me collecting the 4 nodes of coal in the northern rocky desert by truck in a little loop, delivering to a train station lmao

so unecessary but so satisfying'

[rough shore]

how long do experimental patches last

[jagged nymph]

actually im not doing all the rods, screws, plates, etc all at once, i just have the iron smelted tghat i can construct when needed

[jagged nymph]

couple months before live release

[elfin smelt]

love these new track options

[sand moat]

how likely is it that the work on 1.2 exp will break an ongoing save?

[elfin smelt]

truck uses will finally increase

[jagged nymph]

become existant**

[elfin smelt]

wrong

[bright apex]

now I just need to standardize my fuel delivery automation

[fossil oyster]

Hey my big save uses trucks !

[mortal ginkgo]

can be up to 3 months

[limpid cairn]

mod

[fossil oyster]

But it's really just vanity. They are inferior

[jagged nymph]

can be up to an infinite amount of time

[elfin smelt]

negligible still is existing

[limpid cairn]

it turns satisfactory into skyblock

[jagged nymph]

how tf does that work

[fossil oyster]

What's a skyblock

[bright apex]

I just love seeing them puttering about

[mortal ginkgo]

wrong but you do you brotherman of century who enjoys emerald stuff I guess I dunno

[rough shore]

u start with a foundation and an iron node im prettu sure idk ive heard

[limpid cairn]

yeah

with enough resources to make iron copper and limestone nodes

[limpid cairn]

minecraft thingy

[rough shore]

thats crazy

[reef basin]

ah yeah, making nodes, the way to throw balance out of the window 😄

[sand moat]

do updates usually break saves? thinking about starting a new one, but unsure if i should wait for 1.2 to be done

[fossil oyster]

They usually don't break saves.

[brisk egret]

What exactly do the ore randomizer options do? Im kinda stupid and cant really imagine what the difference is

[rough shore]

it prob has or should at least that it like has a limit or a certain milestone to craft each node so u cant automated 200 iron nodes a minute

[ornate saffron]

no BUT backup your save. If you want to return to stable you cannot with a save used in 1.2

[silent solstice]

Yo guys I'm on experimental and my game is hard locked at 60 fps (framerate settings are uncapped), is this normal?

[ivory condor]

Nope

I get higher fps in exp

[silent solstice]

Anyone know why this is?

[reef basin]

randomise node locations

(same locations, different ores)

[brisk egret]

Yea but like whats the difference between basic resource rich, advanced resource rich and fossil fuel rich

[silent solstice]

i fked up and launched the game on vulkan, now it crashes on launch, what can I do

[reef basin]

how much of given resources you'll get (higher probability to be resource of that type)

[brisk egret]

Ahh

[rough shore]

does it change how much each node there is or only locations

[reef basin]

see literally the next message after that one

[rough shore]

u didnt say anything about the number of ores

if there is 100 iron nodes in the original map after randomization is it still 100 nodes

[reef basin]

that's the next next message

[rough shore]

am i slow

[jagged nymph]

no, its not always the same amount of each node

[rough shore]

thanks ✈️

[jagged nymph]

and in fact you can change if it generates more common nodes, more rare nodes, equal distrubution, and i think theres one more

[real shale]

Fossil fuels

[jagged nymph]

thats the one

what does that one do

bunch of oil nodes in wierd places?

[oblique aspen]

just more oil all around in the randomness

not that i thought there was little oil in the first place

[jagged nymph]

i feel like that looks wierd having oil in some places 😭

i mean i havnt seen it but

[real shale]

More oil and coal

[real shale]

Oil has it's own node design when randomised

[jagged nymph]

oh interesting

i wanna see that but im too lazy to load up satisfactory and check

ill do it later

[real shale]

Too lazy to load up satisfactory? I know where your priorities are now, imposter pioneer

[jagged nymph]

fine 🙄

oh i see

still looks out of place tbh

[halcyon frigate]

Is there a bug with Floor Holes, Mk 4 lifts, and 1m Grip Metal Foundations? Cause I cannot get my lifts to work any more after the small patch yesterday.

[limpid cairn]

i mean

its not normal sf

so does it matter 🤔

[reef basin]

I'm aware, but balance matters in every mod (apart from obvious cheat mods)

[limpid cairn]

also youre not counting in that the resurce to make nodes is more expensive than nuclear pasta

[reef basin]

it's still one-time cost

[limpid cairn]

true

[serene jolt]

How much power should I make for oil production. Right now I have 6 coal generators for 3 oil nodes

[fossil oyster]

Yes.

[serene jolt]

And the refineries

[mortal ginkgo]

make power from oil nodes

[serene jolt]

I’m working on fuel generators I think. That’s a later hub upgrade than oil production right?

[ornate saffron]

Personally i always max out oil nodes.

so i don't process some oil i process all the oil that the node can produce. If i need more power ill turn a all the oil the node can produce into fuel for power generation. Then when i need more i do it again

if you only have mk1 pipes choose a impure node or a normal node and max overclock it

[rough shore]

guys guys guys

in phase 3 should i be making stators or just stators for motors

[prime basin]

you will need just stators for things later im pretty sure

[rough shore]

alr cuz i dont see anything currently with stators

[ornate idol]

you can always make more stators later, it's not like they're hard to make.

[prime basin]

has anyone ever tried a spaghetti run like letgameitout?

[rough shore]

yeah but i currently have the option to make both or just motors so why not do it now

[ornate idol]

sounds like you've answered your own question

[rough shore]

yeah lmao

[mortal ginkgo]

@trim yarrow You got a good loading bay going on in screenshots section, just note that it wont work in 1.2 update as vehicles cant go reverse etc

[ornate frost]

im sure it can be easily fixed by the looks of it

[prime basin]

whyd they get rid of reverse?

[mortal ginkgo]

new pathing system allows automated vehicles to only go forward

[rough shore]

thats so not cool

[prime basin]

what if my truck clips a wall?

i just gotta delete it?

[mortal ginkgo]

thats a "why is your truck clipping a wall brotherman" problem

[prime basin]

:o

[nova laurel]

what is the best starting position?

[cursive spindle]

why do people use trucks or tractors for transport ? trains are far way better

[tall lantern]

trains also come much later

[cursive spindle]

same with drones tho

[mortal ginkgo]

why are people using trains? belts can do the same thing

[tall lantern]

all are fine, for a first time I'd suggest sticking with the game's suggestion of grassy fields

[nova laurel]

thanks

[tall lantern]

starting position is irrelevant in the medium to long term

[cursive spindle]

im to lazy to make 3 km of conveyor belts trains ways are easier to put

[mortal ginkgo]

oh so you got a personal reason to use trains?

Interesting. Maybe the same applies for people who uses wobbly tractors and extra large trucks?

Hmm. World and its wonders. Makes one ponder indeed.

[subtle mason]

Is that

No way

John limestone node???

[cursive spindle]

no i mean its way easier to produce energy instead of petrol or something like that.

[mortal ginkgo]

The one and only. Embrace.

[subtle mason]

another name, almost every single fucking limestone node in the game?!

[prime basin]

john limestone node?

[mortal ginkgo]

other limestone nodes are irrevelant and not needed

[cursive spindle]

what about the pure ones ?

[subtle mason]

john generally is a joke term like "THE limestone node"

[mortal ginkgo]

they are disgusting beings, mistake of a false deity

[prime basin]

i should of put an exclamation mark

[subtle mason]

John is the most generic name, so there's John Zenin, John Rabbit, John Jujutsu etc

[prime basin]

john pork

[jagged nymph]

what if someone has a shit ton of coke byproduct and want to use it for trucks? what if they jsut like how trucks look? what if they dont want to use up the space that a train station uses in their factory?

[prime basin]

john uranium node?

[subtle mason]

...listen here.

[cursive spindle]

comeone even with a mk2 miner and with %250 with power shards its only 250 😭

[subtle mason]

That works

I have a core memory where instead of doing anything meaningful early game

I went and fucked off wand wandered until I saw a cave

I went inside tried to mine something, saw radiation

[prime basin]

John stinger?

[subtle mason]

Couldn't escape, died to John Radiation

[jagged nymph]

150***

[cursive spindle]

maybe less i dont remember

[cursive spindle]

WAY WORSE

[mortal ginkgo]

you need to plan your factory according to impure limestone nodes, not another way around.

this is clearly a you problem

[subtle mason]

[halcyon frigate]

Why are my lift/floor holes not working? Did they patch out the infinite height lift?

[subtle mason]

"Congratulations you dumb fuck. You just tried to mine a highly radiated and exposed uranium node. Are you feeling proud?"

[prime basin]

lol

am i tweakin or was thorium a thing in EA

[jagged nymph]

ion think so

[subtle mason]

Fuck would i know i have 20.5 hours

[halcyon frigate]

Well shit. Mine have just.... stopped. No longer working at all.

[rough shore]

all of them?

[prime basin]

im talking to the world, noone in specific

[subtle mason]

and the person amongst the world answered

You asked the world one person in the world answers

[prime basin]

True lol

[halcyon frigate]

Fk, let me fly back to main. It will be a minute. The ones at the fuel factory I have made aren't.... Wait... Wtf.

The ones from the miners going up are working. Its just going backdown....

[keen flame]

how do DNA points work in the sink?

[rough shore]

did u try rebuilding them

[halcyon frigate]

I have been troubleshooting for 40 minutes now. Deleting, rebuilding, switching floor materials, not using foundations, different foundations, etc.

[subtle mason]

I think you build alien protein into DNA capsules, then put them in a storage container, path the container to the sink, give power

[rough shore]

try changing the height maybe? idk

[halcyon frigate]

The ore just hits the floor hole and stops.

[keen flame]

i did that and i think it gave me regular coupon pts?

[subtle mason]

Both give normal coupon points no?

[prime basin]

yep

[rough shore]

are u sure u dont somehow have 2 floor holes in the same spot

[keen flame]

but the counters are separate

dna one is still at 1000 for me

[tall lantern]

they have their own separate points tracking, but they still both give coupons

[subtle mason]

Yeah because they're two different things that you can make tickets based off of

[halcyon frigate]

Thats the thing. If I use a normal height lift, they work. But if I use the floor hole height thing, they not longer work....

[keen flame]

yes i know all of this

[subtle mason]

Are you on the exp build?

[keen flame]

but it hasn't given anything

[prime basin]

yeah, the cost for each coupon is different for different materials

[subtle mason]

get to a thousand points

[halcyon frigate]

I originally had a 9x lift/floor hole thing. Now I am trying just 1 at a time and nothing.

[keen flame]

i know how to use the sink 😭

[subtle mason]

Getting alien protein is harder than mining copper and putting it in there

[halcyon frigate]

No, main.

[prime basin]

yep

[subtle mason]

Then WHAT is your problem??

[subtle mason]

Then i don't know

[rough shore]

weird

[prime basin]

yep, alien protein is worth more points and therefore a larger % of a coupon

[subtle mason]

Your bet is going on forums/searching your problem's main words on the search bar here

[subtle mason]

fuck putting ore in there
all my homies do DNA capsules

[prime basin]

yeah]

also, is that a thing... like do people put straight ore into a sink?

[tall lantern]

not normally, no

though uranium has a relatively high point value for zero processing

[rough shore]

uh why

[prime basin]

this

[tall lantern]

most people just put overflow from factories in

[prime basin]

also how do you do that thing that redirect you to a different channel or smthg

[prime basin]

thats what i do

[primal lark]

And channel name

@prime basin

[prime basin]

ive seen people redirect to specific post in a channel to

[primal lark]

Ohh

[prime basin]

how does that work

[primal lark]

Press copy message link

Or forward the message

[prime basin]

ohhh

[primal lark]

Yeah 😅

[keen flame]

hmm, i'm lonely and craving ice cream

also too many assignments waiting to be done

[primal lark]

I want ice cream too

[prime basin]

you just described like, half of all gamers

[keen flame]

i'm also kinda depressed ngl

[primal lark]

Same

[prime basin]

same

[keen flame]

does that answer ur question

[tall lantern]

also half of all gamers

[prime basin]

exactly!

[halcyon frigate]

Do the floor hole backs have to be on the same side now? In left up top and out left on the bottom?

[real shale]

I thought I saw the amogus profile picture but nope thats just someone in a hazmat suit

[prime basin]

lol

[primal lark]

If i want the factory to build more faster do i need to add extra miners?

[jagged nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC7sNfNuTNU
im only 25 percent through the video and hes already produce 140,000 AMPS and 9 MEGAWATTS IN HIS BACKYARD WITH CAR BATTERIES

[tall lantern]

might need more of everything, depends how you built it

[prime basin]

probably, depends on the situation

[tall lantern]

adding more input doesn't help if the factory can't use it

[prime basin]

yep

[jagged nymph]

he also shot liquid copper above the treetops

[tall lantern]

usually best to design a factory with a particular input and output rate in mind

[keen flame]

you can plug in power shards and supply more power instead

[real shale]

OPTIMISE REFINE

[primal lark]

Oh okay

[jagged nymph]

and a bunch of other absolutely insane shit

[keen flame]

tho that will use more of the input quicker obviously

just find a middle ground

[tall lantern]

just build another factory

[real shale]

Speaking of optimising, I am going to rebuild my first factory and turn it into a brutalist haven once again

[keen flame]

true

i made a bunch of spaghetti today

[primal lark]

I'm scared to tear down my factory

[keen flame]

so i cant rly say boo

[prime basin]

the key... is clinical insanity and the inability to form bonds with anything

[ornate idol]

my first factory was before item lifts were in the game, I'll never rebuild that

[keen flame]

lose your electrons?

[prime basin]

lol

[clear aspen]

Hello chat

[keen flame]

hiya

[clear aspen]

Hru

[keen flame]

i'm a little tired and bored

[halcyon frigate]

Well, my game is bugged... How can I fix it?

[clear aspen]

Same

[keen flame]

what about u

[prime basin]

delete all game files and then reinstall

including saves >:)

[halcyon frigate]

Actually, its jsut my save file. I loaded up a different one and the floor holes work in the same area and same design. Its just this one....

[prime basin]

have you tried smaching your computer with a bat and acquiring a new one through less than legal methods for the cost of losing ALL of your data?

[halcyon frigate]

Next step TBH...

[fluid sapphire]

Ah, good ol' impact calibration

[prime basin]

small explosives

[halcyon frigate]

Can someone tell me if the have a compressed 3x3 belt lift floor hole thing that is working properly for them?

[elder remnant]

hey can anyone help me i am researching some stuff in the MaM but some of the stuff i research i don't get even tho it says its researched am i doing something wrong or is just a bug ?

im am plying on experimental tho so idk

but it does work if i go into creative mode give myself the items and research it ?

[prime basin]

what things specifically?

[tall lantern]

experimental stuff better in #satisfactory-experimental mind

[normal orbit]

Suspected murder attempt in Skövde in the news. Is this Mikael trying to off Jason? :o

[elder remnant]

in alien megafauna the 6 inventory slots

[prime basin]

hmm

thats one ive never encountered before

[reef basin]

it's... not?

[clear aspen]

Hello chat

[reef basin]

you produce fuel, you either put it into fuel gens which feeds trains, or you put it in trucks directly

[tall lantern]

it's easier to move energy than fuel, at least

[prime basin]

hmmmmmm

[clear aspen]

Chat when update

[prime basin]

what update?

[tall lantern]

engagement bait begone

[reef basin]

we're not chat, this is not twitch

also it's live already

[knotty bear]

chat when chat

[fossil oyster]

Omg guys satisfactory-calculator.com is down what am I supposed to do now

[low ingot]

overclock everything and pray

[tall lantern]

press M to open the map

[prime basin]

die

have a stroke out of stress

[fossil oyster]

I'm at work

[native tapir]

Haha good one chat

[halcyon frigate]

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh. Damn game is broken and my factory is dead because of it...

[prime basin]

how broken and how dead

[halcyon frigate]

My belt lift floor holes dont work.

[jagged nymph]

no its in experimental

[ornate saffron]

Have you searched #1038092680493801533 for similar problems. I know they exist.

For me when using floor holes I connect the full intended belt with top and bottom before snapping mergers and splitters to it. I find if I need to alter it later I have rebuild the whole lift system for it to work.

[reef basin]

"live" = available to download

[jagged nymph]

whenever css refers to an update being "live" they mean "officially released on the main branch"

[reef basin]

I've seen many times that they said "it's live on experimental"

[ornate saffron]

english is a stupid language. but in short i try to put the statement in context. in this case Live = experimental

[jagged nymph]

have they? ive only heard "the update is live" or some form of "the update is out on experimental"

[reef basin]

yeah

and even if, the meaning of "live" is kinda ambiguous, you can instead use "main branch" and "experimental branch" if you want to distinguish

[prime basin]

you can download the expirimental

[reef basin]

I... know? that was my point

[prime basin]

ohhh, i missed some context lol

sorry

[ornate saffron]

i do this too. life is hard

[sacred prairie]

is SCIM only for me down?

[jagged nymph]

yeah the website is down only to annoy you, thats why its down. The only reason its down is for you. Good job

[prime basin]

its down for me too

[sacred prairie]

ty

[jagged nymph]

its down for everyone

[sacred prairie]

thought only for me cause they wanna annoy me

[jagged nymph]

no no, nobody can access it, but the reason its down is only for you

[ornate saffron]

tools is live if you need a calculater

[alpine kiln]

okey i now have the pure aluminum and sloppy

took a day and like 20 hard drives later loool

[long kestrel]

im overclocking a coal miner by 250%, and there is only one deposit available at the site, i could bring in 2 more outputs of coal but they are ~1.5k meters away

[elfin smelt]

now you are free from silica

[reef basin]

~~you can use Tools instead 😛 ~~

[elfin smelt]

beware of the scrap output, you probably will require a load balancer setup because they will saturate your belts very quickly

[reef basin]

um, why? don't need load balancing ever

(also pure aluminum is meh imo)

[elfin smelt]

my 600 bauxite is producing 1080 scraps, my current mk5 belt was not enough for that, so I load balanced it, 2 separate manifolds would do it too

[reef basin]

or just hook each belt to machines it can feed

you never need to merge everything to one belt, group outputs to some reasonable numbers and use those

[elfin smelt]

I'm not making 12 refineries for each foundry lol

I'm currently using only 4, spliting into 2 lines was much easier

[reef basin]

number of machines you make doesn't change (or at least not that drastically) with changing the method

[elfin smelt]

that option is valid, but the current location I was building didn't have much space to fit 12 refineries

[reef basin]

again, you still need same amount of refineries

it's just how you connect belt and whether or not you build a balancer

[chrome sable]

just stack them on top of each other

[elfin smelt]

you guys are over complicating it

[reef basin]

balancer is overcomplicating it 😛

[ornate frost]

Balancers are cool

I wanna make more

[reef basin]

begging is forbidden by #rules

[next ivy]

• Please don't beg for keys/free copies of the game.

you can beg for any other game tho

[reef basin]

they didn't mention which game they mean

[elfin smelt]

it just used 2 refineries for 6 foundries and balanced it, and repeated it for the next set of 6 foundries

[reef basin]

(also, get money and buy the game 😛 )

[reef basin]

you could use 1 to 3 and not balance it 🤷

[elfin smelt]

forgot to mention that my foundry setup was not actually 12, but 6 OC'ed to 200%

so a 1:3 load balancer was not really simpler

therefore I split 2 refineries to 3 foundries, twice

[reef basin]

1:3 is a single splitter

2:3 is a merger and a splitter

[elfin smelt]

I guess you are right

I just said load balanced because each set of 3 foundries was split 1:3 instead of a 3-long manifold

[reef basin]

that can still be a manifold

[elfin smelt]

but that is not the right wording I guess

[elfin smelt]

the space it would need was basically the same so I opted to split into 3 instead

the difference is minimal but I wanted to see everything balanced quicker

[reef basin]

I mean that a single splitter splitting to 3 machines can still be considered manifold, if the machines have uneven consumption

[elfin smelt]

they all consume the same 180 scrap

per minute

[serene jolt]

WHY DIDN’T ANYONE TELL ME I CAN PLACE SPLITTERS RIGHT ONTO CONVEYOR BELTS??? HOW STUPID AM I

[jagged nymph]

be careful when upgrading belts with a splitter on them placed like that, it leaves a small segment inside of them of the old mk belt

[white dawn]

Heh, there is a lot of not-necessarily-obvious QoL stuff like that in the game. You'll be discovering new things even hundreds of hours into the game. :)

[jagged nymph]

yeah theres so much qol in this game that youll never notice unles it wasnt there

[serene jolt]

Wait so if I build a splitter on a mk 4 belt splitter works better than with a mk 1 belt?

[jagged nymph]

but ive never felt like the game is clunky or anything with building

[jagged nymph]

no, if you place a splitter directly on a mk3 belt, and then upgrade the belts connected to it to mk4, it leaves a small mk3 segment in the middle of the splitter that you cant see, but still slows down your items

so you may have to replace the splitter and belts

[serene jolt]

So is there a way to make splitters or mergers faster? Some of mine don’t keep up with the belts

[jagged nymph]

wdym

[real shale]

They should?

[jagged nymph]

splitters equally split the input to the output (eg if you have 90/m in, each output will have 30/minute if all 3 are connected)

[real shale]

Math

[jagged nymph]

and mergers merge all the inputs together, so if you have two 90 belts coming in, the output will be 180

[serene jolt]

Ok so if I have too much of something going in there is nothing I can do about it?

[jagged nymph]

yes? if the belts cant handle the throughput they cant handle it

[white dawn]

That should only happen if you ended up snapping the splitter very close to a belt "seam" in the first place, AFAIK. Close enough that the splitter-induced belt-split ends up creating that really small segment in the first place

[jagged nymph]

500/minute does not fit on a 480 belt

[serene jolt]

Idk what I’m on about anymore

[jagged nymph]

i see, point is it can happen sometimes

[real shale]

I'm sad, no A350 in 1.2

[jagged nymph]

:(

[white dawn]

Yeah, I've definitely helped many a person for whom that was the problem. :)

[jagged nymph]

satisfactory 2.0 with a sattelite map data of the entire world that you cna build factories on with actual real life logistics?????

and real planes n stuff??????????

[real shale]

Also nice 230 session on volanta

[jagged nymph]

which one was that

the fenix a320 is so good

i still need to work on my landings...

[west jackal]

I guessed as much. Early game you are limited by belts (late game too bc I want mk6) but you cant break down a miner into smaller belts without a high enough belt

[rough shore]

wouldve been nice if u can connect a miner directly to a splitter

[west jackal]

Would defeat the purpose though

[rough shore]

i guess

[west jackal]

They made intentional decisions to do that

[prime basin]

how?

[rough shore]

too much input too early in game

[jagged nymph]

would make mk6 belts essentially pointless, you could get full output from mk3 miner fuilly overclocked pure from a mk4 belt

[real shale]

Your discord rich presence

[tall lantern]

people wondered if that was how they were gonna solve the ol' "max OC miner on a pure" issue pre-1.0

[jagged nymph]

they would only be space saving

[jagged nymph]

ohh lmao

[rough shore]

pre mk6 belts it wouldve been useful

[jagged nymph]

yeah i dont turn off my pc and volanta steals the presence

[prime basin]

ohhhh, makes sense

[west jackal]

I don't necessarily agree with it, but they chose to make belts a limiting factor

It makes you be creative and embrace logistics

This game is a logistics simulator

[rough shore]

wow we are ghost pinging thats crazy

[jagged nymph]

i realized i misinterpreted what you said after i sent my response

[random haven]

I folded and got satisfactory uwu lol

[jagged nymph]

FIRE

be prepared, it takes a while to learn

but once you learn it its like one of the best games ive ever played

actually no the best

if you have any question, theres #1038092680493801533

[random haven]

I played factorio a lot so that should help lol

[jagged nymph]

alot of factorio concepts do not transfer to satisfactory btw

[random haven]

Forgor, is the new game mode for 1.2 included in experimental?

[jagged nymph]

some do, but alot dont

[random haven]

Oh rip

[jagged nymph]

yes, its technically not a seperate gamemode, but you can just change a setting that makes the nodes random and a few other settings. Id say dont play on experimental on your first playthrough though

[random haven]

I know was just wondering if it was or if itd be coming later lol

[white dawn]

Yeah, beware your attachments to Factorio playstyles. There's two main things which trip up Factorio players:

1. Trains do not route around congestion. It's shortest-path only. Your train logistics need to be a bit simpler than you may be used to
2. "Main Bus" designs are a lot harder in Satisfactory, and are generally not worth the bother. Remember that you have infinitely-generating nodes at consistent rates, so you can always know exactly what's on a belt, and that the fastest Satisfactory belt is slower than the slowest Factorio belt (at least w/ Space Age)

[jagged nymph]

alot of the problem solving skills and general logistic stuff apllies, but ive seen many issues arise from people transfweeing factorio stuff to satisfactory

i havnt played factorio but i do know from seeing other people that this is true

[tall viper]

I'll get one thing out of the way for ya: Manifold. You don't need to do any load balancing. You can do a sushi belt if you choose, or load-balance if you choose, but manifolds just work in Satisfactory.

And since the nodes are eternal, you don't have to ever worry about load balancing until you get to nuclear power.

[prime basin]

nuclear? what about aluminium?

[tall viper]

What would you balance with that?

[random haven]

At least I wont have to deal wither biters/hostile mobs. Much. t.t lol

[white dawn]

Yeah, alien combat is definitely a secondary loop at best in Satisfactory. There's literally no factory-damage in the game, and enemy mob spawns get disabled by nearby factory building

[prime basin]

nvm im getting my terminology confused again

i might be stupid

[jagged nymph]

there are hostiles but you can just turn them to peaceful they are really just for environment rather than actual gameplay

[white dawn]

Can also set hostile mobs to passive/retaliate in the settings at any point (though I think there's a current bug where "retaliate" just ends up being "passive")

Though I do recommend playing through your first time with hostile mobs on, unless it's just not something you enjoy.

It's nice to have an element of danger while exploring; spices things up a bit. :)

[earnest dock]

Hi is there more then one underground caves like that big one on the top left corner with all the kitties

[jagged nymph]

theres alot of them

[reef basin]

majority of the game plays differently than how Factorio plays. While some basic mechanisms can be applied cross-game, in the end the two games are vastly different

[random haven]

Loving the soundtrack so far xp

[jagged nymph]

yeah its great

[vernal walrus]

While I know it's just because it's a fixed map and not random gen, never having to worry about when a mine is going to run out is a nice change of pace for me personally between the two

[jagged nymph]

thats one reason i dont think id like factorio

i also dont generally like 2d games

[random haven]

You mean factorio? lol

[jagged nymph]

yeah lol

[random haven]

xp

[vernal walrus]

Don't get me wrong I loved expanding a train network in factorio but it was so easy to forget about certain mines until they were long dried up and you're wondering why nothings producing

[jagged nymph]

yeah taht doesnt sound fun to me

at some point once youre using enough materials youre spending most of your time hooking up new ones no?

[random haven]

Only reason why I was hesitant is because I was worried about how much depth there was in satisfactory since I already did play factorio so was on the fence about it since we all know how deep the rabbit hole goes for that game haha.

[real shale]

0 days since factorio mention (this is a joke fyi)

[vernal walrus]

The farther you expand the larger and more dense the patches become

[jagged nymph]

id say most people complete their first playthrough after a couple hundred hours, but theres so much more content than just the first playthrough. Your first playthrough is the tutorial

[jagged nymph]

i see

[real shale]

Also #screenshots message

My god that's beautiful

[vernal walrus]

You'll also research a ton of upgrades that will make them last much longer

[white dawn]

Honestly the two play pretty differently. I think Factorio's actually got the more complex factory chains, but Satisfactory mixes it up with alt recipes and an overall increased complexity in actual building due to 3D, etc

[random haven]

I just had one of the tall dudes jumpscare me. t.t I wasn't expecting him there.

[jagged nymph]

literally how do people even do stuff like this... like it doesnt even look real

[jagged nymph]

ah yes, the beans

[white dawn]

Satisfactory's fluid mechanics are a tripping point for a lot of folks, too -- now that Factorio's overhauled their own fluids, Satisfactory definitely has the difficulty edge there. :)

[jagged nymph]

yeah once you get to fluids youre definitely gonna be making some #1038092680493801533 posts lol

[real shale]

This is what I hope to accomplish in 10k hours playtime

[jagged nymph]

i cant even build a curve properly...

[real shale]

Catwalk trick

[vernal walrus]

The biggest tip I read and helped a lot with fluids is always pump them higher than your inputs to save on later pumps

[jagged nymph]

yeah i know, but making it mesh up with otherstuff and look good is hard

[lean topaz]

how many of the furnaces/smelters can I run off of 2 mk1 miners producing x120 iron each

[jagged nymph]

well, how much are you making, how much does each machine consume

thatll give you your answer

[lean topaz]

ight

[vernal walrus]

It's all about doing that "per minute" math

[lean topaz]

satisfactory the one game u need a notepad for fr

🤣🤣🤣

[prime basin]

oh god! not math!!!! /j

[jagged nymph]

i dont get why people dont like math

i get not liking math class in school, it sucks

[lean topaz]

I hate it, I failed it in school and now I work on cars

[jagged nymph]

but math in general is amazing

[reef basin]

it's hardly a problem tbh. Mines last for a long time and in the end you just make a stackable blueprint you draw over the patch and call it a day

[vernal walrus]

Steam Overlay has a build in notepad and Ive used it tons for this already lol

[lean topaz]

mk

[prime basin]

I love math

[lean topaz]

u forgot the e

☠️

[jagged nymph]

see i get hating school math classes, they suck, but like i casually watch videos about like random calculus stuff and conjectures cause its genuinely really interesting

[lean topaz]

no

[prime basin]

what e?

[jagged nymph]

veritasium and 3blue1brown are awesome

[jagged nymph]

hes talking about meth

[lean topaz]

replace a with e

[prime basin]

ohhhhh

i may actually be stupid

[lean topaz]

noooo

[jagged nymph]

and wrath of math

[jagged nymph]

and numberphile

[prime basin]

imagine playing satisfactory while on meth tho

[trim yarrow]

Is this confirmed? If so that sucks

[vernal walrus]

SCIM is slooowwww today

[prime basin]

it was just down for like 5 hours

[reef basin]

Tools still fast tho

[jagged nymph]

i want some wings rn real bad

[prime basin]

what

[jagged nymph]

some wings

i want them, for eating

[prime basin]

shouldn't that be a #off-topic-general post?

[jagged nymph]

idk man im just hungry tbh

[plush trellis]

I don’t know if I’m going crazy or how it wasn’t spotted before but you unlocked the abilty to scan crude oil twice

[jagged nymph]

do you? in what 2 places

i know theres some stuff where you can unlock it early in the mam and then you unlock it later in the hub, but what aboiut the oil?

[plush trellis]

Tier 5 oil processing and then tier 8 advanced aluminium production

[jagged nymph]

interesting.. cause i dont think its possible to skip the oil processing milestone

[unkempt blade]

it might be with enough crash site scavenging 😆

[jagged nymph]

and lizard doggos

seems strange

[tranquil lantern]

is the second oil for the ones requiring the pumps or whatever?

[abstract heron]

Yay workint on 100 nuclear pasta per minute is fun

[mortal ginkgo]

you can test it if you like, but alas, they go only forward like a train would with only one head at forward

[jagged nymph]

oh i think thats it yeah

[mortal ginkgo]

basically vehicles only support "race tracks"

[trim yarrow]

I'm on console

[mortal ginkgo]

well you can check youtube videos I suppose

[real shale]

Me thinking of my next project in the factory

[urban geode]

im kind of new how long does it generally take for experimental to move to the main game

[jagged nymph]

few months

[mortal ginkgo]

can take up to 3+ months

[rough shore]

possibly decades

[urban geode]

ok thx

[plush trellis]

What else do you use the oil for…?

[real shale]

Satisfactory not star citizen

[jagged nymph]

usually somewhere between 1 second and multiple millenia

[rough shore]

usually?

[real shale]

Its sometimes under 1 second

[rough shore]

woah

[inner ruin]

means often, or is more likely to happen

[rough shore]

thanks 🍷

[tranquil lantern]

there's an oil extractor and then later you get the pumps, I forget the name.. and you set up multiple extractors. same thing with nitrogen.

[real shale]

Why a kung fu hamster

[jagged nymph]

pressure extractinator

[rough shore]

guys can we not talk fluids its scary

[real shale]

Why not a guinea pig

[jagged nymph]

well pressurizerinator

[plush trellis]

Pipeline pumps?

[rough shore]

bro butchered the spelling if thats even a word

[rapid wing]

the well pressurizer

[jagged nymph]

no thats what i was trying to spell

[tranquil lantern]

y'all gonna make me google

[jagged nymph]

resource welly pressurelly, place the pipes with no spaghetti

[real shale]

Can I just say how much cleaner my pipes look with T junctions

[jagged nymph]

eral

[real shale]

Especially water extractors

[tranquil lantern]

Resource Well Pressurizer

[real shale]

Yes

[jagged nymph]

no its the resource welly pressurelly, place the pipes with no spaghetti

[real shale]

@steep creek your resource scanner is mocking you

[tranquil lantern]

hard not to spaghettize those things

[steep creek]

lmao

didnt know it could do that

[real shale]

"yeah sure you want iRoN oRe"

[jagged nymph]

it has a small chance of that

[steep creek]

cool

[jagged nymph]

its a reference to an update where iron ore (ormaybe it was coal) was spelled iRON oRE

[jagged nymph]

cause someone accidentally had caps lock on

[steep creek]

lol

pretty cool easter egg

[surreal breach]

Guys, how do yall pass phases, i used to make everything semi-auto (put the matterials by hand) but now its WAYY too much to do by hand and to make it fully auto will take 4 + hrs

[jagged nymph]

theres soo many easter eggs in this game ive never seen

[surreal breach]

im only at phase 3 rn🙏

[prime basin]

how does it happen?

[jagged nymph]

thats a really bad practice since you need to spelevatory parts to make the ones in next phases

[ornate saffron]

Your drunk scanner go home

[jagged nymph]

when you open the resource scanner

[steep creek]

lol

[jagged nymph]

i think its like a 0.2 percent chance

[surreal breach]

soo.. i should auto everything??

[steep creek]

yes

[steep creek]

dayum

[prime basin]

any time or just the first time?

[jagged nymph]

any time

[rapid wing]

i completely tore down what i had a started a new factory to automate everything around that time

[latent prawn]

are other people having issues with SCIM right now too?

[surreal breach]

alr ty yall

[real shale]

Petition to nuke the fandom wiki

[jagged nymph]

actually i dont know where i got this number from it doesnt say the chance on the wiki

i read the easter egg wiki page like 2 weeks ago

[jagged nymph]

REAL]

[native stream]

is the dimensional storage unit or whatever it’s called worth?

[tall lantern]

very

[jagged nymph]

YES YES YES YES YES its game changing

[tranquil lantern]

absolutely.. biggest quality of life increase after bladerunners

[real shale]

Okay, my next project is to return to grassy fields and optimise aka rebuild everything

[jagged nymph]

istg everytime i look up someth8ing i get so dissapointed when i accidentaly click the fandom one

[jagged nymph]

yeah

[tranquil lantern]

Auto All The Things

[steep creek]

literally one of the best things they added at 1.0

[jagged nymph]

dont tear everything down unless you really want to, no need to tear down a working factory

[tranquil lantern]

and get inventory access ASAP

[jagged nymph]

THE best

[steep creek]

although i kinda miss making a central storage

[jagged nymph]

you can still do that

i still do it cause stuff like concrete is used in MASSIVE amount when starting a new megabuild

[steep creek]

true but its optional now so its like on the backburner of things i wanna do

[tranquil lantern]

oh man, just tossing slugs and stuff into the void while you're out exploring... so convenient

[prime basin]

why?

[real shale]

working? yes. optimal? absolutely not, the engineer in me MUST optimise

[jagged nymph]

the fandom wiki is soo much worse and alot of stuff is outdated

[steep creek]

oh you wanna see something that used alot of concrete? gimme 2 mins

[prime basin]

so the better one is wiki.gg?

[white dawn]

Yeah, wiki.gg is the official one. Fandom was official a long time ago but after Fandom got terrible, they switched. Fandom hasn't been updated in a real long time now

[prime basin]

ohhh

[rough shore]

yeah

[prime basin]

why did fandom get bad again?

[rough shore]

outdated i think

idk im like too good for wikis

[ornate saffron]

The landing page says it hasn't been updated in 1198 days. Thats how

[high rock]

Did the Storage for the game go up for 1.2? It used to be ~12GB now it's 28.