satisfactory

[west jackal]

sure. i mean if you run power with power lines and with trains, how do you put factory on 1 switch

[warm finch]

I have only 1 wire going into a factory and I put a priority switch on that 1 input wire

[west jackal]

okay

makes sense.

how often should i block trains btw

[warm finch]

usually want the block to be a little longer than your longest planned train

if you don't plan on running many trains initially, you can space the blocks out pretty far and then add more in later to make the blocks smaller when you add more trains

[west jackal]

alright

right now im just trying to get some basic infastructure, but i want it to be able to handle future plans

[lavish echo]

Erm, With trains. Is there a way to make a train for example pick up 1000 screws from my screw factory and then drop off only 500 to 1 station to produce something and then take that other 500 to another factory? or would I have to make it go back to the screw factory and then go to the next factory

[warm finch]

suggestion: don't move screws via train, move the ingots and then make the screws on site.

or better yet, find a node nearby and make the ingots/screws on site

[lavish echo]

Ok understood on that front, but that was merely a example but say like steel beams or pipes or something idk

[warm finch]

easiest way to deal with that is to saturate it, bring in more than you need and keep it full.

[lavish echo]

Ok got it, thank you good sir

[bleak valley]

The hard drives paid off I got nitro rocket fuel

I can actually set this up too

[river marsh]

im at a point where i need to build computer, adaptive control unit and modular engine factories but my base resources arent in enough surplus for me to do this, should i setup a factory in different location on independent nodes for these? or should i rebuild my entire first factory to incorporate all of these

[warm finch]

draw from additional nodes would be my suggestion

and if you haven't yet, overclock your miners so you get more out of your nodes

Just remember your limitation will be belt speed. no point in overclocking a node faster than what your belt can handle

[river marsh]

i could do that but my first factory is such a mess that ill lose my braincells trying to organise all those ores

i havent even used mk2 miners on all of my spawn nodes

[river marsh]

yes i understood that

[warm finch]

that's ok! consider it a learning process. you'll be unlocking new technology constantly as well as new recipes and learning what you can do with various buildings. all the milestones up to tier 7 I would view as mini tutorials with tier 8 drawing everything together

[bleak valley]

@warm finch so how do you recommend going about nitro rocket fuel the gas worries me

[west jackal]

tear down and rebuild 😉

[warm finch]

that's a great place to back and check to see if you can increase your efficiency on those nodes

[river marsh]

ok thanks! last question, should i try unlocking any alternate recipes before i start making these factories

[warm finch]

don't sniff gas, then you won't have to worry about it

[bleak valley]

Gotcha gotcha

[warm finch]

that is entirely up to you. hard drives can be hard to get early game so it depends on what you want and what you're looking for

and honestly mk1, 2, and 3 belts are VERY limiting. mk4 starts to open up more options for you. I generally advise people to NOT do full rebuilds until you have mk3 miners and mk5 belts at a minimum.

[river marsh]

hm alright

[quasi hollow]

its not too scary, just put whatever turbofuel youre making into a blenders with the gass

[warm finch]

as for building now, just use concrete foundations for everything and keep your machines tidy, belts straight and clear pathed, etc.

[quasi hollow]

since im not crafting all the parts for blenders yet

[bleak valley]

I didn’t make any turbo fuel I’m going straight to nitro rocket

[quasi hollow]

i planned out my turbofuel to rocket fuel

[warm finch]

so what about gas concerns you?

[gentle lava]

is 10 rotors a minute and 10 reinforced platers a minute too much when building a VERY early game factory

[bleak valley]

I’ve never worked with it not sure if it’s as difficult as liquids

[bleak valley]

Nothing is every too much

[quasi hollow]

i was running into power issues, and i simply couldnt be arsed to make more coal burners 😛

[warm finch]

treat it the same as liquids, but doesn't need headlift.

[river marsh]

yes that ive kept myself consistent with, my belts are usually straight and i feed into manifolds but my spacing is so bad that i have no space to even walk between my machines 😭

[gentle lava]

my max power capacity is 160

[bleak valley]

I did regular fuel to fix that issue

[molten vessel]

…Can we swim?

[warm finch]

learning lesson lol! you will unlock (spoiler) soon that will help you navigate

[bleak valley]

Slowly yes

[molten vessel]

Limit on distance?

[river marsh]

excited!!

[quasi hollow]

now im producing 1200 turbofuel, which i can make into 2k rocket fuel, when ive finished making factories for stuff im missing

[bleak valley]

If you hit the edge of the map you die AFAIK

[molten vessel]

Like, running out of stamina and drowning, etc?

[quasi hollow]

ahh ye

[bleak valley]

No stamina or anything

[molten vessel]

Whew, thanks

I see a pod crash I want, but it’s across water

[quasi hollow]

actually thinking about doing some fuel power on the north coast untill im ready for blenders

[molten vessel]

No shark-alien gonna kill me if I make the swim attempt?

[bleak valley]

Nope just the border around the map

[warm finch]

you'll have to find out!

[bleak valley]

True

I could be lying

I’ve never personally swam to the edge of the world

[molten vessel]

Thanks a bunch! Didn’t want to waste the trip over here from my hub, so I wanted to ask instead of possibly die-spawning

[warm finch]

don't be afraid of dying. you don't lose anything. just go get your stuff back. or turn it off in options

[bleak valley]

I do keep inventory so it’s not stressful :D

I die a lot since I don’t really do combat

[molten vessel]

Just the time getting there.

[warm finch]

bring lots of inhalers

[molten vessel]

I suicide respawn to get home all the time

[bleak valley]

I don’t even bother with that I just hope I can evade really well

Usually works enough

[molten vessel]

Now that I think about it… there’s probably an alpha monster over there.

If I die to that I won’t feel bad, XD

[bleak valley]

I saw a green cat and decided id rather not go near it

[quasi hollow]

I fought for a few days, then realized they put in Creature hostility settings, Retaliate is perfect for me, if I feel like brawling, they will put up a fight, if not then I can focus on making ficsit proud

[warm finch]

pantsy.....

[molten vessel]

…You’re right, I’m toggling this.

Less heart attacks from being attacked by something outside of my view, XD

[hybrid nymph]

40,000MW hell yeah!

vanilla upgrades mod is great!!

each fuel generator is now producing 1037MW each, but it does use more fuel though

also each overclocked coal generator is generating 375MW

[molten vessel]

I want mods, but not until I have the achievements. 🥲

[hybrid nymph]

mods help you get achievements, the golden nut one is almost impossible to get without it. I just use very basic mods that still keep the vanilla feel of the game

[molten vessel]

Wait. Advanced Settings disables Achievements, but MODS don’t?!

[warm finch]

got it 3x without any mods.... it's not impossible. it's rather easy to get with some patience

sinking turbo motors nets a fuckton of points QUIIIIIICK

[hybrid nymph]

yes, that is correct

sinking turbo motors does net a ton of points quick

[molten vessel]

That’s absurd

[hybrid nymph]

so does sinking nuclear pasta

[hybrid nymph]

I have a mod installed that gives me x100 awesome sink points

and I can still get achievements

valve doesn't care about modding achievements

as long as you get them "somewhat legit"

[west jackal]

Revan id argue that 100x sink points is not somewhat legit OR keeping vanilla feel 😉

[molten vessel]

Yeah, I’m mostly thinking quality of life or tweak mods

[west jackal]

yes

there are 2 mods that im interested in (still vanilla)

the biggest one is the easy circle mod

but after i finish this playthrough, i want to do a constant elevator part run

[warm finch]

wait.... will you actually FINISH it? lol

[west jackal]

i ...

dont want the shade

[warm finch]

Just sayin I'm here to help motivate you to beat it

quantum physics is A LOT of fun imo

[west jackal]

you should see the jank A$$ railroads im using to bring 20k of each material to the tracks im building

[warm finch]

been there done that lol.

[molten vessel]

Now that I set things to Retaliate, this Alph Spitter is just standing there…

…Menacingly!

[west jackal]

i just needed to get it to my main line till i can get the line to the production lol

[west jackal]

i uh... used ALL of my iron plates

[warm finch]

time to make more

[west jackal]

and ive only built like a half dozen supports

[molten vessel]

If I get to make a few free attacks with my Xeno Basher, can I kill the Alpha Spitter before it can murder me, maybe?

[west jackal]

i setup another 120/min bc ive been living off 20/min since t0

[molten vessel]

The answer was yes, fortunately!

[quasi hollow]

throw a couple of nobelisks on it

[hybrid nymph]

true, but I just wanted the golden nut statue

[west jackal]

hey man whatever you find fun. you also could just spawn in with scim

[molten vessel]

“Darn, my inventory is full from this expedition…”

Guess I’ll die!

[next ivy]

this is why it would be cool if we could limit depots

[hybrid nymph]

that's why I use the 150 inventory slots mod lol

I can give you my mod list if you want, feel free to modify it

limit depots?

[next ivy]

never used mods

gonna take a while until i start

[warm finch]

same here. vanilla works pretty well for me.

[hybrid nymph]

I thought the same thing until i got to tier 8 for the 5th time, and decided it was time for mods

I have not regretted it

here's my mod list

Faster manual crafting redux
vanilla upgrades
glass fluid buffer
inventory slots 150
awesome points x100
better power storage
balanced craftable power shards
power towers plus
fuel chainsaw
elevator icon pack
void spheres
enhanced depot
infinite zoop
remove empty dimensional stacks
awesome artifacts
all weapons magazine size 100
mob spawners

[warm finch]

I'm on my 2nd solo playthrough. got to tier 8 more than 10 times with friends.

[west jackal]

dang deaf you have friends? 🙁

i used to, not longer

[warm finch]

satisfactory friends? yeah used to... can't seem to find new people to play with lol. I enjoy helping out other people here and there as well

same issue for valheim, RIP

[west jackal]

no i mean any friends, lost most those few years back

[warm finch]

I'm sorry, and I feel you there, in the same boat

[river marsh]

is there no way to provide live updates to interactive map website for satisfactory?

[warm finch]

Live? no, have to upload your save to scim

[sterile blade]

Nope. The best bet to get something similar is using mods

[molten vessel]

I understand some upgrade might do this at some point, but man do I want a minimap

[west jackal]

only takes a few seconds to upload saves?

[river marsh]

yes bbut its kinda annoying, i gotta save the game first then reload the website then drag the save file to the website

[sterile blade]

A few seconds every few seconds become a lot of seconds spent just alt-tabbing, uploading files and waiting for SCIM to update
(Which is why mods fixing exactly this exist)

[west jackal]

i agree. i just dont use scim that frequently. usually every couple minutes to find the next HD to go towarsd

[warm finch]

I can't remember the last time I used scim

[sterile blade]

I remember it, because it had been a while and I got so overwhelmed with ads that it was my last

[river marsh]

guys my first factory is obviously not aligned to the world grid so i was wondering if i should keep the first factory's expansions aligned to the world grid or aligned to the first factory?

[warm finch]

personal preference

[river marsh]

no real difference?

[sterile blade]

Kinda like asking "should I paint this pink or blue"?

[river marsh]

that explains it pretty well thanks

[warm finch]

NO! MUST BE YELLOW! REEEEEEE

[sterile blade]

The true Satisfsctory community experience

[leaden turret]

Package all the things, no sloshing

[river marsh]

why splitters and mergers so buggy in manifolds bro like i gotta replace them everytime

[sterile blade]

Sounds like you might be having some placement issues...

Eg: trying to snap them on a belt, snapping them on the foundation below the belt instead...

[river marsh]

how do i make sure that its snapping to belt instead of the damn foundation

all my blueprints are bugged then too 😭

[normal orbit]

Don't snap to belts. Place em on the foundations first then connect belts

[clever sandal]

Man i had almost a tear of joy when my friend said "but i like satisfactory" after i said he could try it from my steam family

[normal orbit]

They're not bugged really. Prob just building em in a bad way that becomes unreliable

[dense violet]

that's odd 🙁

[warm finch]

we got it resolved! no worries.

[river marsh]

how do u explain this, i have a dual smelter blueprint which lets me auto connect in a row into a manifold but some of them apparently work and some dont even tho they from same bp? ill post a screen shot in #screenshots

[fervent crypt]

Hey ! How works dimensional depot ? ping me

[dense violet]

!wikisearch dimentional_depot

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=dimentional_depot

[next ivy]

or just fuck around and find out

[dense violet]

annoying https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Dimensional_Depot_Uploader

[next ivy]

theyre pretty self explanatory

[vocal wolf]

exposed factories or indoor factories

[next ivy]

former until enough resources to actually build (like tier 4)
then latter

[sterile blade]

When it's snapping on the belt, you can move the hologram smoothly along it. When it's snapping on the foundation below, it'll move in 1m steps

[near frost]

can a train with 2 engines handle 10 carts?

[dense violet]

depends how steep you go

[next ivy]

-# question is what slope can it handle 👀
but if 1 train can do 5 cars, 2 should be able to do 10 no problem i think

[near frost]

like lets say the steepst possible?

[next ivy]

no they cant

[near frost]

3?

[normal orbit]

it can but not at full speed

[next ivy]

90° would be the steepest

[dense violet]

2m ramps? no, you generally need 1 engine per 4 cars up 2m slopes

if they are full of material

empty cars are lighter

[normal orbit]

trains cannot go vertical

[near frost]

yes

[next ivy]

exactly

[near frost]

its more

[dense violet]

2m is about as steep as you can go

[near frost]

ya so 2m

[dense violet]

technically you can alternate 2m 2m 4m ramp, repeated, but it's not really worth it

[near frost]

its not on foundations

[dense violet]

you really want to manage your rails on foundations

especially hills

[near frost]

IDK how to say it

[next ivy]

autoconnect blueprints ?

[near frost]

yes

[next ivy]

yea it would be useful to get a ° preview for those

[dense violet]

yeah you should still line things up on foundations

[next ivy]

devs get on that

[timber willow]

hey quick question since we all love pipes broken mechanics 🤣 if i have a pipe that is visually full but when connected to the machine isn't even registering the liquid and not connected through a floor or wall hole since those are janky right now there a fix since have a line of like 4 machines 3 of them are taking the water but one isnt

[near frost]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1480101819253395659

the photo

[dense violet]

post an image of what you're trying to do in #math-and-meta or #1038092680493801533 also they fixed floor holes and afaik wall holes have never been janky

[dense violet]

also pipes work fine if you don't treat them like belts

[near frost]

i am just gone do 3 choo choos to be safe

[unkempt blade]

it sounds like you just need to delete the segment that doesn't work and make it again

[normal orbit]

or its one of the two classics of putting in wrong fluid, or putting it into the outlet

[unkempt blade]

I agree, fluid stuff is perfect in every way and will only be more perfect in 1.2

[timber willow]

thats the thing i have tired that and 3/4 of the machines are working fine in question im like umm hmmm i show pics in a sec

[dense violet]

I hope machines explode if you pipe them wrong in 1.2

through the screen

[unkempt blade]

That would be awesome. They could do that at the same time as removing rocket fuel from the game

[dense violet]

no, just make the player explode every time they look at the recipe

[normal orbit]

3m is the steepest incline you can do before game protests. Since theres no 3m slop you kinda have to do your own. But the 3m slope will cause a slight slowdown vs 2m. so for sake of speed 2m prob still ideal.

[sharp basin]

Yo, looking for a map where I can check for the artifacts I already collected, so I’m sure of where I’m going, apparently can’t do that on Calculator

Especially for spheres and sloops

[steady dome]

you should be able to by uploading your save to the calculator

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message 3m slope

[sharp basin]

Even my ps5 save?

[steady dome]

I have no idea about how console stuff works, so pass

[unkempt blade]

you could set pins for stuff you collected with the ingame map

or a radar tower would tell you how many are in its radius just not exactly where they are

[timber willow]

sadly console cant upload there save to that at the moment maybe one day but not as of this moment

[sharp basin]

Yeah but that’s the thing, that’s a looot of pins

[unkempt blade]

yeah, just doing the best I can for a console 😆

[normal orbit]

you can disable pins from the compass but keep em on map

makes it a little less clutter on the compass at least

you can also disable em on map and just toggle em on/off when you wanna see em

[sharp basin]

Max pins : 250 🥲

[unkempt blade]

Oh jeez is it that low? I'm surprised my MP save never hit the limit

[sharp basin]

And more than 400 spheres/sloops

That’s why I was looking for an interactive map

[normal orbit]

why do you need to pin the spheres/sloops?

[sharp basin]

Just the keep up which ones I already picked up

[normal orbit]

the radar towers sort of do that. they show how many are in its radius, then you can use the scanner to hunt down those you havnt picked up

[sharp basin]

Just unlocked them yesterday!

But woh they do need some stuff

[timber willow]

#1480162476963135831 as requested @dense violet

[gilded night]

[zenith pecan]

On about my old world? , sorry about the long time between replies, I've only just awakened and on my first coffee.

[boreal snow]

why are floor holes so broken?

[ornate frost]

Doing stuff with conveyor lifts in general is pretty janky

[normal orbit]

broken how?

[boreal snow]

if you delete a lift and rebuild it it stops working until you delete the floor hole itself and rebuild it

[normal orbit]

humm, trying it right now and not seeing that

[dense violet]

this should no longer be the case in the current update

[boreal snow]

it doesn't always happen

[boreal snow]

experimental or live?

[dense violet]

current stable update

been that way for a while afaik

[normal orbit]

that said i kinda dont use em to connect lifts to unless i need to exploit the extra height. cuz 2 lifts to a floor hole is 2 objects towards limit, but then doing one lift clipping thru the floor then nuding a floor hole in place, is just 1 object :p

which in all fairness doesnt matter for most, but when you have a couple of million object, any reduction is welcome :)

[tall lantern]

UObject count is not the same as "how many buildings have I placed"

[normal orbit]

i know, thats why i said that

2 lift + 1 hole = 2 object 1 lift + 1 hole = 1 object

[boreal snow]

@normal orbit @dense violet #screenshots message

[oak stirrup]

How do i connect pipeline floor holes from within the floor?

[normal orbit]

tf is that, you have a lift connected from the merger to a floorhole you've clipped into the merger? i'm not even sure thats intended functionality on those

[zenith pecan]

I've done some fun rule breaking compressing with floor holes lifts and mergers etc, I haven't done that though.

[dense violet]

you need to hear the 'click' of connection when spinning the lift face, if you don't hear it, it's not connected

[dense violet]

you connect it on the surface, not within the floor

[oak stirrup]

Could you pls help? i'm stumped

posted in #screenshots

need to connect those

[zenith pecan]

I learned the hard way if using the vertical splitters, make sure both ends of the lift are hooked up before adding splitters, or the output or even the input of that lift never act as connected in spite of snapping in.

[dense violet]

pinged you in math and meta

[cinder sail]

Is satisfactory worth to buy when it has a 30% sale?

im just rlly doubting if i should buy it

[timber willow]

@dense violet lol my issue got fixed explained on my post lol

[dense violet]

if you like designing your own logistics projects in a sandbox game, creating unique production lines and paths (as there isn't only 1 linear way to make things) , you'll enjoy it

many people have many thousands of hours of fun for even full price

[cinder sail]

okay thx

[dense violet]

the milestones and phases in the game are basically a tutorial - once ou unlock everything the game basically becomes a sandbox

like minecraft

[cinder sail]

hmm

[normal orbit]

the thing which sets satisfactory apart most from any other factory game i've played is the near infinite options to design your factories however you like

so if you like doing that, well worth it

[twin parcel]

#screenshots message

[next ivy]

blueprint parts of it ?

it seems to be repeating patterns

[twin parcel]

yeah , middle segment , consist of two power storage and walkways

then fuel gen segment

third segment is a fuel gen corner segment , its not in the picture .

its mk1 blueprint .

#screenshots message

[twin parcel]

here are the insides

[river marsh]

will changing fuel type increase my fly time before landing on ground?

with jetpack

[normal orbit]

yes

[dense violet]

!wikisearch jetpack

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=jetpack

[dense violet]

check out the details on the fuels

[river marsh]

ok

[timber willow]

All fuels for this definitely provide a benefit just depends what you can mass produce at a decent rate which in turn definitely depends on what stage of progression your at @river marsh

[kindred rune]

guys ive only got 7 hrs of playtime on it and i havent playe din ages but does anyone wanna play with me?

[tall lantern]

#1201555265942724758

[kindred rune]

oh sorry

[tall lantern]

though for a new player I wouldn't recommend multiplayer anyway

[lavish flame]

Hello satisfactory

[bronze copper]

hi

[lavish flame]

I haven’t been able to play satisfactory this weekend and i’m at my breaking point

I should drop out of college and become a full time satisfactory player

[leaden turret]

if you drop out of college, all that math learnin in satisfactory is going to go to waste

[lavish flame]

My major has nothing to do with math 😭

It’s very weird because i absolutely hate math but then when it comes to satisfactory that’s a different story

[normal orbit]

dislike the bad math in school to do the good math at home? :p

[lavish flame]

Exactly

[deft drum]

It helps it's all multiplication and division instead of the hell world known as Calculus

[lavish flame]

Very true lmaoo

The duality of loving science but hating math

[wispy osprey]

It's not the initial base that's the problem, it's formulating the rest of the logistics

That's my latest struggle at least

[deft drum]

#off-topic-media message

[wispy osprey]

Satisfactory can have pretty complex math if you really wanna go for it

[deft drum]

Eventually you just go to a 3rd party tool for the math lmao

[dense violet]

everything is constant production and consumption, so relaly it's just addition subtraction and some division/multiplication.

big factories jsut have lots of it. not more complex

and you can eye ball the train throughput if you don't want to use the formula. Which is just more of what I mentioned

[lavish flame]

Honestly the math isn’t the worst part for me, it’s making my factory actually look decent and not just be a platform or a box 😭😭

[normal orbit]

you could go into chemistry :p

[dense violet]

that just takes practice and planning 🙂

[lavish flame]

I’ve spent like over 10 hours on 1 factory that doesn’t even do much of anything just to make it look good and i’m still not happy

[wispy osprey]

I guess in the end my idea of using a single resource ends up messy.

I've mentioned before that I came up with a way to change over what the initial smelt produces.

But its just too costly

[normal orbit]

people post a lot of fun designs in #design-and-architecture have a browse in there, lots of inspiring stuff

[lavish flame]

It’s been my saving grace since i joined this server honestly

[wispy osprey]

If I play again I'll just use other resources for different recipes

[dense violet]

how do you plan for it?

[dense violet]

as in you filter out different recipes on the same machine swapping it over?

[wispy osprey]

Power off one to make something else instead, or let the powered on initial system overflow to the next system when that output is full

[dense violet]

well typically if you try to function in the complete opposite of what a system is designed to be it tends to be tedious

[wispy osprey]

Its not an easy way to design and takes up a massive amount of space

[lavish flame]

i only really plan the layout, as in like which machines go where and where all the logistics go but i've never really planned ahead for the look of a factory, no idea how i'd even start to

[wispy osprey]

It's just an issue of working with an infinite single resource, it can branch out to every recipe from the initial resource

[dense violet]

first - use a solid planner to scout out locations and mix and match recipes to yoru needs https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[wispy osprey]

Or you can not do that and use other resources like normal

[dense violet]

second - on some medium break down the plan into smaller sections and then consider if/how you'll have multiple buildings for each process and how they'll connect. Do quick sketches to get ideas.
Having some buildings not at 90 degrees to everything is an easy way to make it more interesting to the eye with little work

[scenic mirage]

😭 wtf im looking at turbo fuel and i have to 384 generators???

[wispy osprey]

Skip to nitro

[normal orbit]

you're using one node only, and then have banks of machines to make one type of item at a time? like using iron to make iron plates for x amount of time, then change to make rods for y amount of time?

[dense violet]

third - start laying out foundations and consider the spacings for the machines and walking space you might want

[scenic mirage]

wdym

[wispy osprey]

Do you want visible conveyors or do you want under-belts feeding up to machines so you can walk on a clean floor?

[wispy osprey]

10GW if you can get there, is efficient enough to pull through phase 3

[normal orbit]

you can't make nitro rocket fuel in phase 3...

[scenic mirage]

im phase 4 tho

[lavish flame]

honestly depends on how i'm feeling 😭

[wispy osprey]

You know what I meant, just skip to nitro

[lavish flame]

thank you!

[dense violet]

no stress 🙂 including in hte floor plan, have space dedicated for belt/pipe flow - logistic cores it's called

[wispy osprey]

I don't mind visible conveyors when I'm making a power plant

[dense violet]

mixes can be nice 🙂

[scenic mirage]

i dont know what you mean tho 😭 wdym skip to nitro

[wispy osprey]

The point of a power plant is to never go back there anyway

[wispy osprey]

COMPLETE PHASE 3-4 WITHOUT TURBOFUEL

[real shale]

And yet I find myself always coming back to my blue crater one

[wispy osprey]

Just get 10gw and call it a day

Then make a RF power plant

[real shale]

I got 75 GW, it's just blue crater has a lot of convenient nodes for me

[dense violet]

like so 😉 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1452890949758877696/unknown_99.png?ex=69ae5623&is=69ad04a3&hm=9d32f6d9e1845657d5fcc12f70c18367aa909a412b074bec20a3659df0bff3f1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[real shale]

I am entirely planning to skip both rocket and turbo and go to nuclear

[normal orbit]

you can use the belts as a design feature: #design-and-architecture message

[lavish flame]

just survive the whole game off of biomass burners

[lavish flame]

woah that looks sick!

[wispy osprey]

That's a lot of coal use

[dense violet]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-meme-anime-react-anime-reaction-arakawa-gif-8258439823509290590

[real shale]

Huh? How

[dense violet]

planning and practice 🙂

[wispy osprey]

What GW are you working with while skipping TF/RF

[real shale]

I have 140 GW without a single coal generator

[dense violet]

they didn't say anything about not using regular fuel

[scenic mirage]

brother i have 21GW now. im planning on building a rocket fuel plant to expand that to 256GW

[deft drum]

Using diluted fuel you can get 20GW from 600 oil

[wispy osprey]

Normal fuel

Should've said that from the start

Yeah normal fuel carries then

It's not the worst idea to do that, especially on the beach far away from coal and sulfur anyway

[deft drum]

If you use the best recipies for Nuclear you can still generate over 700GW of rocket fuel using the Sulfur heavy Nitro Rocket fuel recipie

[ornate saffron]

I have 30gw of fuel power. Ill likely ride that until nuclear

[real shale]

I took all of the oil except for like one node in blue crater, used HOR and Diluted fuel and called it a day

Only one node is being used for HOR for my smokeless powder factory

[wispy osprey]

You gotta save some of it for rubber and plastic recycling

(Making rubber first)

[real shale]

Oh that's my other power plant that's split between power and plubber

[normal orbit]

1200 crude to nitro rocket fuel is 3200 sulfue, and all 2100 uranium uses up 3200-ish sulfur. so you only use a bit more than half-ish of the sulfur there to make ~ 1800 gw

[deft drum]

Yearp

[wispy osprey]

I assume it's at bare minimum 900 rubber and plastic per min?

Just a ballpark guess

[ornate saffron]

In phase 3 im only using 30 rubber /min and I make it from the poly byproduct of the fuel.

I can move to phase 4 whenever. I just need to finish decorating first

[real shale]

630 of each on output, the plastic technically is limited by belt capacity at the moment

[deft drum]

Sulfur is useful only for nuclear and compact coal/turbofuel/rocket fuel

[real shale]

I wanted to ensure I had three major areas of power generation for priority switching

So I can island off certain parts of my grid and have them work independently of each other

[ornate saffron]

Munitions, sulfuric acid and conversion

[normal orbit]

i believe you still have enough sulfur left on map to convert all bauxite to instant scrap too :)

[wispy osprey]

If you really really really wanna go nuke, just skip TF/RF like Pioneer

[deft drum]

Exactly

[real shale]

The only thing that matters to me is that my power distribution is decentralised enough that a major shutdown event doesn't cause as big of a headache

[wispy osprey]

Nuke at peak eats basically all of your sulfur iirc

[normal orbit]

not even close

[deft drum]

23% of the map

[wispy osprey]

Oh that's not much

[deft drum]

Exactly my point

[wispy osprey]

Just 1 pure node?

[normal orbit]

uses 2100 sulfur for the fuel cells, then another 1100 sulfur to make acid for waste processing

[wispy osprey]

A bit more than 1

[deft drum]

I got ~2800 sulfur per minute to make as many uranium rods as possible and then make Plutonium rods

[normal orbit]

3200-ish sulfur total, + 3200 sulfur to nitro rocket fuel + 4100 sulfur for instant scrap = 10500 sulfur out of the 10800 total

[deft drum]

Is Instant Scrap good?

[real shale]

Once I have my 5 nukes/min I'll be able to start using up the rest of the encased uranium cells to make approximately 4.2 rods/min from the one node I have

The swamp will be my industrial haven

[wispy osprey]

I've heard it is

[reef basin]

"good" depends just on you

if you like it, it is good

[normal orbit]

it allow me to skip building a metric f'load of refineries, so i like it :) its same bauxite:scrap as sloppy+electrode scrap

[real shale]

I wish I could skip that but everything I do these days uses a bunch of refineries so I have the fallacy of "eh what's a few more"

[normal orbit]

refinery fatigue hits me hard in phase 4, so i'll take any alt recipe that lets me skip them

[deft drum]

[lavish flame]

refinery supremacy ✊

[normal orbit]

plastic/rubber - refineries, pure recipes - refineries, steam sheets - refineries, wet concrete - refineries. everything in phase three kinda ends up using em cuz you just wanan make more stuff

[wooden sedge]

can you get all the alternate recepies in the game with the amount of harddrives there are?

[normal orbit]

yes

easily, you'll have like 20 left if you get em all

[deft drum]

Hmmm

1 refinery feeds one blender doing instan scrap

And the water output from instant scrap also perfectly feeds the sulfuric acid refinery

[reef basin]

Afaik like 5-6

[normal orbit]

could be, i have not counted :p

[next ivy]

what happens with those 20 left over ones

do they all just give +6 inventory slots ?

[normal orbit]

nothing

[arctic hound]

#screenshots message

@empty spoke im doing something similair

[normal orbit]

put em in a bin, maybe we get new alts sometime

[deft drum]

You'll be unable to scan them

[next ivy]

so when do you get the +6 inventory slots

are they just scattered in there randomly

[deft drum]

I think it's only once

[normal orbit]

once or twice iirc

could be one +3 and one +6

[next ivy]

alr

[real shale]

They are both +6 one you get in the pool immediately and I think the second one has a requirement

Yeah second one requires tier 6

[gritty epoch]

Anyone know why concrete foundations look more grey when painted black?

[neat yarrow]

hey im new to the game and i was wondering what does "x9.5 Construcktor" mean? becuse i found this website called satisfactory calculator to help me build stuff

[zenith pecan]

You need the outputs of nine and a half constructors.

One at fifty percent in other words.

[real shale]

today is the day.... i automate nukes

[spiral summit]

if youre lazy, yes. realistically, not really

[neat yarrow]

does that mean i need to build 9 constructors?

[real shale]

means you have to build either 10 and underclock 1 to 50% or 9 and overclock it to 150%

[spiral summit]

will they ever improve railway switches or will they forever remain 2 tracks clipped into each other

shit bothers me so much

[real shale]

also lazy? how is instant scrap lazy

if anything its the more arduous of those alt recipes

[spiral summit]

you dont gotta transport silica

well

[real shale]

this is scrap not the solution

the scrap doesnt require silica

[spiral summit]

what

obviously

oh

[real shale]

no i mean, none of them require it

[spiral summit]

wait a minute

[real shale]

you are thinking of the ingots

[spiral summit]

ooh

i might have that recipe

[real shale]

instant scrap is the one that requires sulfuric acid and water alongside bauxite and coal in a blender

[spiral summit]

its a must

[real shale]

its the more ardeous one than electrode and aluminium, but allows you to skip the alumina solution step entirely

[spiral summit]

its the highest scrap yield of any recipe right

[real shale]

uhhhhhh.... no, i dont think so, i think electrode just slightly beats it

lemme check

[spiral summit]

its exactly the same

per bauxite

[real shale]

trynna do the ratios in my head aaaaa, you might be right

[spiral summit]

without the sloppy alumina its not

with sloppy alumina its exactly the same as instant

sloppy gives 12 per 10 and electrode requires 12 for 20

[normal orbit]

Sloppy + electrode scrap is same amount as instant scrap

1 bauxite to 2 scrap

[spiral summit]

so ideally instant scrap is simpler and more yielding

[real shale]

one 600 bauxite node sloppy alumina is 720 alumina solution which translates to 1200 scrap per minute

instant scrap is, yeah the exact same

[real shale]

I wouldn't say its more yielding, it gives the same yield, as sloppy + electrode

simpler....depends

[spiral summit]

oh yh fairsw

[normal orbit]

Main appeal is, it's not refineries. And blenders are more fun to incorporate in something

[spiral summit]

definitely simpler for me as i dont need to worry about maintaining an oil byproduct

and it needs an extra step ofc

[real shale]

honestly, with just how much petroleum coke you can make from even just a single oil node, i've found it a lot easier to just mass produce coke and import it

[normal orbit]

You can argue instant scrap has an extra step with acid. But you have that with making coke too.

[real shale]

yeah

saying its simpler is very grey and not clear cut

mass producing coke does give me a lot of flexibility too which is nice

[normal orbit]

The water setup I find very easy on instant scrap. But the other ain't different really

[real shale]

coke means i have the option of tempered recipes and electrode circuit boards if i find it convenient

alongside the mass production of it and using it for aluminium

[zenith pecan]

I'm setting up to use tempered for caterium in the dunes due to insufficient nodes nearby.

[spiral summit]

i use silicon circuit boards instead

crazy extra output out of them

[real shale]

i love how vast my swamp looks now that ive covered it entirely in concrete so worth it

[spiral summit]

and mix them with silicon high speed connectors so you use less machines and less caterium

the amount of caterium i need for my nuclear powerplant is ridiculous

[west jackal]

i wish there was a shorter small concrete pillar 🙁

i need one thats like half height

[deft drum]

Huh, if you use the basic oil->rubber recipie and then turn the HOR into electrode circuit boards you wind up with 4 spare petro-coke per CB

[spiral summit]

theres literally like 2

[ornate saffron]

both are the same height.

[vernal walrus]

There's no T junction for pipes correct? just the 4-way?

[ornate saffron]

can you not hide half the pillar by clippping?

[ornate saffron]

currently this is correct

[ornate saffron]

likely added 1.2 (this is just rumors)

[vernal walrus]

Not that it's necessary to have one I guess but would be much more aesthetically pleasing lol

[real shale]

having one of the crash sites require a superposition oscillator is funny

[ornate saffron]

swamp?

[real shale]

yeah

i actually didnt know any of them required phase 5 parts until i found that one

[deft drum]

Only one like that

[snow rune]

Is there a way to join like public servers or something I'm lonely

[deft drum]

I forgot, but it would be funny if scrapping the now empty pod gave you screws and rods

[near mural]

yall got any tips on making good looking enclosed factories? all mine have been completely open with no walls or roof at all

[vernal walrus]

Still very new to the game but one problem I always have to overcome is wanting to cram everything in tight spaces. There's a MASSIVE map at your disposal so never be afraid to just build big.

Give youself plenty of room to make fancy stuff

[near mural]

yeah im making a pretty small temp aluminum factory rn i figure i could maybe try to enclose because my next build is gonna be a big ass fuel plant and im NOT enclosing htat

[unkempt blade]

but it's just a bigger canvas for your art

[unkempt blade]

use lots of colors and get weird with it #screenshots message

[near mural]

in games like mc and terraria i build alot with neutral colors in medieval or gothic style builds while overdetailing so stuff in this game is very very new to me

[unkempt blade]

could still do neutral here, lots of people just use plain boring concrete 😆

[zinc sentinel]

why isnt my resolution changing? i already saved it but it wont work

[zinc sentinel]

one thing i reccomend is using swatches if u are having time adjusting to the colors

[spiral summit]

you should do the latter with refineries imo

[near mural]

ive been having fun with the carbon steel finish

[spiral summit]

too big to confine

[zinc sentinel]

im super bad at decorating in satisfactory so i end up just leaving massive platforms

[near mural]

yeah my fuel powerplant will def be open

[zinc sentinel]

i can imagine how it looks

[sacred sinew]

FINALLY..... my blue crater nitro turbo fuel build is producing fuel. #screenshots message

[near mural]

ive got a ton of slabs and i want them to be a little prettier 😭

[near mural]

its so nice and neat i love it

[zinc sentinel]

if u want to make more detailed decorations dont use zoop

[sacred sinew]

6 "pods", each of which produces 150/sec turbo fuel. Everything is piped in now, they all make fuel now.... now to build generators to eat the fuel

[tepid bloom]

why are pipes so buggy

[sacred sinew]

I think when I mathed it I could make up to 20 pods... that caps the nitro gas, and close to caps that sulfur

[sharp basin]

Now that I’ve reached Phase 3 I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO, too many things, too many products, trains, redo all my factories from scratch, rethink everything, just build shitty factories to progress with my milestones?

(very serious question)

[wise junco]

what is making you say they are buggy?

[tepid bloom]

my friends fuel pipes void 400 fuel/m

[final jungle]

I have a world with everything i need to build a massive factory whats the best location for one

[tepid bloom]

desert is good

doesnt really matter that much

[final jungle]

☺️

[tepid bloom]

where you have good train infrastructure

[zinc sentinel]

also btw whats a good spawning location i havent played this in a while and i have 750 hours

[tepid bloom]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[ornate saffron]

any location tbh its all one map and youll have to spread out eventually. Desert does have the highest density of copper and Iron. But if you want to maximize the output youll have to wait til phase 3 anyways

I say start in the forest as it is the mostt central and a easy to get to all locations from

[wise junco]

the northwest is my favorite starting position, but that's just me

[sharp basin]

You mean because of MK4 belts and MK2 pipes?

[ornate saffron]

wi mean refineries and pure recipes

[sharp basin]

The ones with water?

[ornate saffron]

yes

[final jungle]

ama just make like 5 big factories for everything

[wise junco]

yeah the pure recipes are dope

[tepid bloom]

you will need to rebuild everything once you get mk5 and again when you get mk6

:3

[sharp basin]

Wooooh wait

[ornate saffron]

i Dislike refinery spam and avoid it. but if you want to maximze output pure recipes are the way to go

[glad drum]

Is there any way to accelerate the movement of factory carts? I was trying to use jump pads but it doesn't seem work or acceleration

[sharp basin]

That’s important

[final jungle]

they should allow to upgrade the entire conveyor same time

[sacred sinew]

#screenshots message a bit more of the shaping and the internal plumbing. So far I've only sketched the rough shell of the building and gotten the pods plumbed. Now I actually need to build fuel generators to consume the turbofuel... and actualy style the factory.

[tepid bloom]

yeah

[ornate saffron]

have you tried driving on belts?

[glad drum]

Yeah doesn't do anything 🙁

[tepid bloom]

bruh

[ornate saffron]

lets consult the experrt

@unkempt blade

[tepid bloom]

just use cyber trucks on jump pad as logistics

who needs trains

[glad drum]

I've been trying to use jumps pads to launch them across the map but it's not being very consistent

[tepid bloom]

rotate the jump pads

[sharp basin]

I’m phase 3, just got mk4 belts, does it mean I should not even consider making nice factories for now?

[glad drum]

WHAT

[tepid bloom]

#screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

• jump pads are probably going to be difficult to set up in a way to get any serious gain from them
• conveyors belts seemed to cause me to spin out nearly immediately but if I used railings it could at least go faster until the end of the belt
• I think driving downhill will at least accelerate quicker but I haven't done any actual experiments on it

[tepid bloom]

when you rotate jump pads they tweak out and basically teleport you/ factory carts

[unkempt blade]

I think you could also do nobelisks but that's not going to be repeatable for actual logistics stuff

[ornate saffron]

nah, make nice things all the way.

i think you should not destroy old factories unless you absolutly have to.

you are spending time to dismantle then plan a new facility. If you need more just build the new facility elsewhere. then you have your old facility plus the new one.

This also give you the benifit of seeing how far you have come /\

[glad drum]

Yeah I want something that makes it look like Factory Cart Lemmings are jumping off a high location and then bouncing/flying across the map

[tepid bloom]

use rotated jumppads

[glad drum]

I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "rotate" them . -- rotate them how

[unkempt blade]

I've definitely done bouncing across a series of jump pads but it definitely was not faster in terms of like route/horizontal speed

[tepid bloom]

shoot rebar gun then build frame foundation on road barrier corners

in quick succession

[glad drum]

I may just do that then cause looking cool is more important than being efficient

[glad drum]

well shit I don't have rebar gun

[tepid bloom]

then build rotated blueprint designer, which allows you to build vertical trains

[ornate saffron]

the idea of a r3ebar gun was enough for me to build it lol

[sharp basin]

Good advice bro! But about trains for exemple, since these early factories produce so few, why should I bother consider connecting them? I’m still early phase 3, I can keep trains for a bit later right? I don’t even have my first oil plant yet!

[glad drum]

Up to this point I hadn't even unlocked foundations

[tepid bloom]

oooh

[ornate saffron]

dont, have them feed into D Depots or sinks.

My first factory makes all my personal use stuff plus smart plates.

I move the smart plates to another facility via Factory cart as they do not require fuel

[tepid bloom]

always destroy old factories 👍

you need the space for bigger better factories

[ornate saffron]

many ways to do things, just sharing my perspective. Space is the resource we have the most of

[tepid bloom]

factories are temporary efficiency is permanent

[tepid bloom]

what would you do if you had an not overclocked miner mk2 on a pure node for a old factory?

[untold zealot]

Monsters question - does the game populate more difficult monsters the further away I am from the starting zone (or the further I tech up), or is it more of the same in the other areas? The combat is... fine, but getting frustrating to get kamikazed by bees. I'm close to just putting the setting on "Off unless Attacking" now that it doesn't seem to be much of a challenge with the Rebar Gun

[tepid bloom]

you cant get more out that node until you destroy the factory

[ornate saffron]

Fully over clock make it my higherst miner

put a smart splitter infront. Any set to old factory, Overflow the rest to a new facility

[unkempt blade]

The big pigs/spiders are going to be as tough as it gets if you've run into those. It's not a very combat-oriented game so if you're not enjoying it I don't think you really lose out on much changing that setting

[tepid bloom]

i found a way to teleport items using the roate glitch

[untold zealot]

Rightio! The unlocks I have done (Shatter/Stun Rebar) felt like there's something scarier coming up, but uuuh haven't seen it yet

[tepid bloom]

its not pratical though takes ages to set up

[ornate saffron]

#satisfactory message

[tepid bloom]

ok?

[midnight harness]

the scaryest thing you will see is the irradiated spiders, so there is not much left

scariest*

[tepid bloom]

radiated hogs are annoying asf

they clip into the ground and you cant kill them ):

[spare prism]

Yo

[midnight harness]

happens

but you just have to reload

[ornate saffron]

ho

[midnight harness]

or use nukes to obliterate them with radiation

[spare prism]

I’m done with phase 1

[tepid bloom]

they are in the ground

[midnight harness]

good

[tepid bloom]

great

[midnight harness]

now you can access to uuuh... coal power i think?

and steel

[tepid bloom]

i hate early phases :3

[midnight harness]

i hate alumina

[ornate saffron]

on to thge nextt mountian

[tepid bloom]

me too i had to build a factory that proccessed 12k bauxite

[midnight harness]

i built basic alumina and left it at that

and now i want to make a nuclear plant

[tepid bloom]

there is only 12300 bauxite on the map

i got every node exept one impure

[midnight harness]

i will try to make a basic nuke plant and then expand ith trains to the other nodes

[tepid bloom]

anyway what is going to be the dlc?

[midnight harness]

i cant believe there are only 4 on the whole map

[spare prism]

1 million smart plates, 1 million vertical frame work, 100k advanced wiring

[tepid bloom]

another map would be fire 👀

[midnight harness]

oh true you have that, that THING

[spare prism]

But now I can OC all my buildings pc power won’t be an isssue

[cunning glade]

Trying too decide if I make the 20k silica I need in my aluminum factory or separate ig together cuz less train work

Just worry about lag

[tepid bloom]

quarzless alluminum on top

[cunning glade]

Except for without it u can only make 12k aluminum

[tepid bloom]

true but thats plenty

[cunning glade]

Uses the same amount of bauxite for less

[cunning glade]

Well if we take into account I technically need 13k

[sharp basin]

I love how two different people say the opposite 😂

[cunning glade]

Uhh no?

My starter factory still works just fine

[wise junco]

leave the old ones chuggin' away

[tepid bloom]

old factories arent efficient though

sadly

#screenshots message i did alluminum like this

[sharp basin]

Problem is style, uniformisation

[wise junco]

whether they're efficient or not, they're still producing. have 'em go to a DD or a sink and move on

[tepid bloom]

old belts/ mashines look ugly aswell

[arctic vapor]

Hey, how are you all doing? Is there anyone patient enough to help me with my problem involving fluids and a large number of fuel-powered generators? I'd be happy to hear from anyone who can message me privately :)

(I'm Brazilian and I'm using a translator, sorry for the mistakes)

[tepid bloom]

are your pipes tweaking aswell?

[wise junco]

drop your question with screenshots in #1038092680493801533 and we can teamwork it!

[arctic vapor]

ok :)

[vernal walrus]

Just gotta say I love the slide/jump movement way too much in this, now only if it maintained momentum when ziplining.

[tepid bloom]

i had made a mod for old satisfactory that changed movement to allow me to strafe midair

liked that very much

[normal orbit]

can hold shift to speed up while zip lining

[vernal walrus]

Wait..... I swear I've tried to no effect.... hold on...

Ok yeah it does look like it adds some speed

Can still slide/jump faster along my foundations tho.

[tepid bloom]

like the minecraft cheat :3

[normal orbit]

yes, but you can just toggle zipline tool and go afk for a wee while you move :p

[cursive prairie]

is there a map tool that I can check what sphere, sloop, slug I have collected on the map itself? the satisfactory calculator doesn't allow that 🙁

[vernal walrus]

The shift speed up will def help along the power towers.

I just stopped using shift becasue I didn't think it actually did anything. Just never had good line distance to really feel it.

[cunning glade]

There is a mod called zipper that lets u change the properties of it pretty peak tbh

[dusk hemlock]

Alright gentlefolk, it’s been about a year since my last play through, wish me luck

[vernal walrus]

Sounds good but I'm actually playing for my first time ever so I'm staying vanilla

Also just died because I alt-tabbed not realizing there was a spitter near. Whoops.

[wise junco]

OOPS

[tepid bloom]

xD

what was that

[normal orbit]

days since last incident: 0

someone who clicked on a free crypto link or something and got their account hacked

[cursive prairie]

people actually click those?

[normal orbit]

evidently

[vernal walrus]

People still falling for scams like that is wild.

[tepid bloom]

you guys really dont destroy old factories? I though all good players did that

;-;

[cursive prairie]

I make spaghetti until I get to tier 8 and then remodel everything

[vernal walrus]

I'm procrastinating a teardown/rebuild as we speak.... I'll get to it eventually

[timber tundra]

It does
Upload your savefile

[normal orbit]

check the link to scim in #math-and-meta

in pinned

[dusky dagger]

Why destroying when you have an entire map to build something else ?

[tepid bloom]

map isnt that big

[timber tundra]

To use the space for something better?

[normal orbit]

map is very big

[dusky dagger]

It's big enough for most of the things

[timber tundra]

I'd rather remove old stuff though and either clear up the view or reuse the space for something new

[spare prism]

its free money 🙂

[timber tundra]

?

Ah

[cunning glade]

All good and very valid I prolly should've played that way but idk if I'll be playing again soon so

Kinda a cyberpunk situation where like so much too do replaying would take a sec

And modded is just vanilla but better

[timber tundra]

@north cloud Can we get rid of this Luke bot guy sending scam Discord links?
-# No idea if pinging y'all is the way to go about this but it feels not completely wrong I guess

[west jackal]

Sometimes. I was doing a curve and it was clipping through. It looks okay, just not amazing

[ornate saffron]

could you achieve a similar goal and astectice with painted beams?

[ornate frost]

how do you guys handle recipes that require plastic? do you transport it from oil refineries?

[ornate saffron]

generally yes,

this time i built all my computers with quartz instead

[west jackal]

Maybe? Im not sure if could get same look

[ornate saffron]

just spit balling options. the minimum length of a beam is much less

[west jackal]

Yes, I may try that next time 🙂

[zinc sentinel]

are there any performance mods?

[ornate saffron]

Likely, Id ask the modding discord. You can find the link in #welcome

[near mural]

trying to plan ahead best i can yall think 1 nuclear pasta a minute will be good for the rest of the game? im hoping its the last thing in its production chain

[ornate saffron]

its the only phase p[art that is used in other recipes.

all of which are optional but you may want to take a look

[near mural]

everything else its used in is optional?

[ornate saffron]

|| teleporters, APA power boost|| are things that come to mind

[near mural]

i see

im thinking i might try to rush beating the game then start a new file that ill play much slower and better since then ill really know what ill need in the future and be able to plan much better

i hate making what i think is a huge factory for something only to figure out i need twice as much across the map

[low ingot]

this is what i did, and now i have 2 more save files at phase 4 🫠 and i jsut started another

i kept restarting cause i thought i built big enough in beginning and noppeee

[cunning glade]

I'm making 60

[vernal walrus]

I always have such a hard time choosing with the hard drives....

[cunning glade]

If not going overkill I'd recommend more like 5 or 2.5 a min

[cunning glade]

Why? U can get all the alternate recipes just get more drives

[vernal walrus]

Fair enough

[midnight harness]

guys, where do you think is objectively the best place for a nuclear plant?

[cunning glade]

By water

[midnight harness]

yea, but where in the map?

[ornate saffron]

afor first timers i suggest a small one in the swamp. it has everything you need

[midnight harness]

because i have found a few spots but they all have huge downsides such as really far away resources or where there are, i would have to make the rods travel by train

[cunning glade]

Oh yeah my bad I forget I train my resources

So I just pick a spot on the map and bring them there

[midnight harness]

i have to train uranium anyways so

[near mural]

its tempting to restart and go back to do things better since i know so much more about what im doing and what i need now and how i can just do it slower and have more fun with it but i dont want the time in this file to be wasted

[ornate saffron]

the swamp has uranium

[midnight harness]

yea, but its impure so its not enough for my plans

[ornate saffron]

🤷

[cunning glade]

I'm not excited for nuclear

[cunning glade]

What are ur plans I'll share mine

[midnight harness]

i can dm you the Modeler file if you want

[cunning glade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ren7RYtrcbVdGumUBkwg

Okay it's messed up cuz it's making wack ass byproducts

[cunning glade]

Sure

I don't personally use it but I understand it

[midnight harness]

yea, but you can sink most of them

[wary silo]

process byproducts as much as you can, sink the overflow

[midnight harness]

in this case its like, ai expansion servers

so just sink em

[midnight harness]

i love the 1 trillion water count in the world

[cunning glade]

But I don't want any byproducts

[cunning glade]

That's the integer limit of the site

I want this factory too run perfectly

[midnight harness]

you have 2 byproducts according to overview

superposition oscilators and the AI servers

[cunning glade]

Yeah it only gets worse

[midnight harness]

both sinkable

[cunning glade]

If I added in the 1800 time crystals it makes 336 superposition oscalators a min

And then another way is 480 power shards

Everytime I change it I get a new byproduct

[midnight harness]

sometimes you need sinks

its a fact that we have to live with

[cunning glade]

Well yeah but I shouldn't for this

It's not like rubber and poly resin

It's cuz of the stupid dark matter residue

[midnight harness]

ik, but you will have to either make a giant storage and clearit once in a while

or sink the byproducts and ensure that even if you forget, the gens will run

[cunning glade]

I think if I sloop correctly I'll have spare sam I'm just gonna turn straight into

Dark matter residue

[midnight harness]

probably

[cunning glade]

I'll also need too see what's happening with the residue made from t5 parts

[sharp basin]

How do you change jetpack fuel? In just got my liquid biofuel but don’t know how to equip it

[cunning glade]

In the inventory there's a gear icon over it click that

[normal orbit]

click the icon in the corner of the jetpack

[sharp basin]

Got it 👍

[cunning glade]

It's being used cool

[sharp basin]

🫢

[cunning glade]

That's both good and not cuz I wanted the residue

[sharp basin]

What a difference with solid biofuel

[midnight harness]

yeah

and wait until you get turbo or ionized

[midnight harness]

i have a simple reactor setup

20 reactors

[wise junco]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1480275508858978375/image.png?ex=69af157f&is=69adc3ff&hm=ffc04a388318e96c3414e6fb763a4ff545dfb8716d464474ab7b42c4771eeea1& just thought i'd share the beginning of my HMF build this save

[cunning glade]

I need 232.5 I think

All fully overclocked

[cunning glade]

Nice

How many u making

[midnight harness]

my setup only uses like, 4 somersloops for the uranium fuel and thats all

i use what would cost to produce for 10 and produce for 20

[cunning glade]

I technically need like all of them

[wise junco]

just going for 25 right now - 5 for DD, 10 for fused modulars, 10 for adaptive control units

[cunning glade]

I think

[bitter crow]

can someone explaun path signals for me?

[midnight harness]

they are basically a way to tell your train where to go when they are on auto mode

[cunning glade]

Uhh they make it so only one train can be in the segment and path signals look ahead of the block too see if it's clear

[midnight harness]

or if they have to stop or keep going

[cunning glade]

That's prolly a horrible explanation

[normal orbit]

path signals make the trains reserve a path thru a block with multiple tracks, which may allow more than two trains inside one block if their paths dont cross

[bitter crow]

ah, i see

thanks

[midnight harness]

this ^

i explained it horribly

[stone scarab]

Highly intellectual conversation going on I see

[sharp basin]

I heard liquid biofuel is the best because it gives the longest air time

[subtle vapor]

wer will eine welt mit mir starten muss deutsch sein

[stone scarab]

It’s not strong tho

[cunning glade]

Rocket fuel is technically better

Or ig ionized but I've yet too make that

[sharp basin]

Slow yes

[stone scarab]

Turbo fuel gets you the highest the fastest in pretty sure

[normal orbit]

while it has longest, ionized has a lot more speed and height so you can go higher and fly further on it.

[cunning glade]

No

[wise junco]

rocket fuel will blow turbo fuel away in height

[cunning glade]

Turbofuel gives ur more air control

[wise junco]

I've not used ionized myself

[normal orbit]

but ionized is tier 9, and liquid biofuel is tier 3, so...

[stone scarab]

Ionized is expensive and I aint building allat

[cunning glade]

I kinda wanna make some for the jetpack

[wise junco]

imo, if you're going to do ionized, just build enough for jetpack usage. i wouldn't bother using it for power

[cunning glade]

But I also have the nuclear jetpack mod

[sharp basin]

I’ll stick with liquid biofuel for a loooooong time

[wise junco]

rocket fuel gets stupid enough for power that i can't see a real reason to do full ionized

[normal orbit]

no, but its pretty good for drone fuel too

[midnight harness]

if i ever make it (i havent unlocked the PA yet) i will just make a self contained human fed factory

[wise junco]

that's valid. i'm using RF right now for drones but IF would probably be really nice

[normal orbit]

ionized is kinda a net negative for power, unless you downclock machines a lot

[stone scarab]

It’s only useful when your storages for Jetpack fuel are full

But even then there’s the sink

[midnight harness]

i use turbo gens because they are like 8 watts for every 1 it takes to produce

MW*

[stone scarab]

Completely off topic, but there’s this article called: “a satisfactory way of building” so if you know any book nerds that you want to infect with satisfactory, tell them to read it, but it’s really long, like really, really long.

[normal orbit]

600 rocket fuel is 36gw and 600 ionized is 50gw, so looks like an ok gain, but you need 37.5 power shard, which are made in 7.5 quantum encoders using 2gw each which is 15gw + the particle accelerators to make the time crystals and dark matter crystals. and yea, no gain unless you downclock a lot to save on power.

[stone scarab]

But to save power you sacrifice your computers life essence and make it run worse, so it’s never a good idea to use

[midnight harness]

and turbo you can just get 17.5GW with MK 2 miners in 3 coal, 3 sulfur and i think it was 4 oil extractors

and then the whole factory takes like 2 GW

[stone scarab]

Peak

[midnight harness]

nah

it just doubles, i was wrong

ah no

2033 cost

and 17.5 GW production

[stone scarab]

I genuinely thought you meant 2033 GW of power to make it 😭

[midnight harness]

no, 2033 MW

im sorri that i did't clarify 😭

sorry*

[vernal walrus]

Just to confirm that cut down trees never come back but hand picked grass/leaves/wood will?

[dire salmon]

Satisfactory

[normal orbit]

they shouldnt, but yet i've blown up the same three 5 times now :p

[midnight harness]

i think trees do come back after a while

[dire salmon]

do they come back if you put foundations ontop of where they were

[vernal walrus]

I'm hoping placed foundations will block regrowth tho

[normal orbit]

they arent supposed to regrow, but i think theres a bug. i've had some spheres and sloops respawn

[midnight harness]

uhh i think they dont really care, they can just phase through

[zenith pecan]

I've had spheres & sloops come back when 1.1 hit, I'd farmed them all before the patch made every last one repop.

[midnight harness]

updates respawn everything

[normal orbit]

i've picked up a sloop, save game, go to bed, come back a few days later, and load save, the sloop i just picked up is there staring me down

[midnight harness]

and break some factories if they change node placement

[twin parcel]

Isn't there an alternative recipe for ionized fuel?

[normal orbit]

yes, dark ion fuel

[zenith pecan]

If they just move the node, the miner associated with it stays connected, mining away while sitting on the dirt, but the node is considered occupied even if its on the other side of the map, sometimes they del and re-add the node, which kills the miner.

[midnight harness]

that happened to me with a black powder mini factory i had on a pre 1.0 save

[twin parcel]

They did?

That sounds scary

[midnight harness]

yep, from UP8 to 1.0 they changed a few of them and added some to balance the new items

[south sinew]

there aren't any recipes that don't suck

for actual power generation I mean, for personal use it's kinda whatever

[midnight harness]

ionized fuel is not worth it for power gens

[bleak valley]

They should rebalance fuel

[normal orbit]

dark ion is more sam ore and more particle accelerators for less fuel made, plus the packaging steps actually just eating flasks

[cunning glade]

Kinda agree tbh

Rocket fuel kinda op

[twin parcel]

I have a hunch they will introduce an item or recipe that uses ionized fuel to produce them .

[cunning glade]

Unlikely we get more items imo

[normal orbit]

rocket fuel consumption from 4.167 to like 5 or 6 would make some sense, and then make ionized fuel a little cheaper to make on power shards

[cunning glade]

Id also love if nuclear was a little stronger

[twin parcel]

Well if they make ionized fuel op Then it's less encouraging to use nuclear power

[normal orbit]

ionized is a lot more of a pain to setup as it is

vs just makign rokkit in a blender

[cunning glade]

Nuclear is super easy tho

[normal orbit]

taking down ficsonium down from 1/min to 0.5/min would be a nice boost and give more excuse to make it

[cunning glade]

Tho I think a fuel rebalance they should buff nuclear a tad too or change it aswell

[twin parcel]

I mean we already got a discussion about rocket fuel vs nuclear . Making ionized fuel too op kinda mess up nuclear too

[cunning glade]

No

Cuz ones more work ionized is so much work

Tho nuclear just isn't that strong

[normal orbit]

you have a huge power cost to make ionized as well as the process is a lot more to do

[south sinew]

Having it be net positive, at all, would be a start

[normal orbit]

currently its pointless to make ionized for power, but its an excellent fuel for jetpack and drones

[cunning glade]

Real

[near mural]

how is experimental rn are there alot of bugs and is it stable? and is it reccomended to switch rn or should i wait til we are closer to the full release

[cunning glade]

Id just wait too be safe but that's me

Idk how experimental is rn

[jagged nymph]

fsdjkl

[fossil jacinth]

Anyone know of a "refresher" video or something that I can read? I put about 300 hours into the game but it's been 15 months since I've launched the game, thinking I might start over but trying to remember the basics

[normal orbit]

there are new bugs on experimental, some actually kinda annoying. i cannot recommend swapping

[near mural]

thank you

[cunning glade]

Just play the game and relearn it trust

[normal orbit]

maybe when 1.2 lands

[midnight harness]

watch the guide by kibitz

[near mural]

how will the changes in node locations effect current saves?

[midnight harness]

its an hour and a half long but it will get you up to speed

[normal orbit]

it wont

[spare prism]

Are power shares in power stuff pointless?

I was thinking about overlocking my coal plant

[near mural]

do older saves just keep the old node placement? i wouldnt want my save to be out of date if thats the case

[cunning glade]

Fuck no

[midnight harness]

and you can also jump to the things you are most oblivious about rn

[cunning glade]

I would've need 1500 power generators without shards

[gloomy tusk]

they are one of the three best items in the game

[midnight harness]

you just need like 3 GW in coal

and then you can move on to fuel gens or sum

[cunning glade]

Not worth really aren't u close too oil?

[fossil jacinth]

Thanks, I don't mind it being long - have a link or title I can pull up? He has a ton of videos and "guide" isn't really doing much for me for a search keyword

[spare prism]

No

[near mural]

if im not mistaken overcloking power builds is linear so a 200% coal plant makes 2x the power and uses 2x the coal

[cunning glade]

Or no cuz silly mod

[midnight harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evg5AtHbt-g&list=TLPQMDgwMzIwMjYUQ5QzWjMLdg&index=6

[fossil jacinth]

Thanks!

[wise junco]

power shards in production exponentially affect power consumption; power shards in power generators impact them linearly

[spare prism]

So is that worth or no I thought someone said it’s pointless to OC a power building with a power shard as it will use more power to make power lol

[cunning glade]

That person was tripping

[midnight harness]

np

[jagged nymph]

you are not mistaken

[normal orbit]

thats so wrong lol

[near mural]

i think it literally just saves on space but just be aware of the logistics

[spare prism]

Okay I’m OCing everything

UNLIMITED POWER

[near mural]

its gonna take twice the coal AND water mk1 pipes can only have so much throughput so be aware

[gloomy tusk]

you do realise it uses more resources and you need powerslugs

[normal orbit]

overclocking power producers make same amount of total power in fewer machines

[cunning glade]

I wonder what's better coal or biofuel for ur situation tbh

[normal orbit]

you would need more resources to get more power

[near mural]

if you do oc anything oc the your miners if your belts are not fully saturated

[cunning glade]

Cuz on one hand u can oc the biomass gens and sloop the production of solid biofuel

That's what I did combined with coal till oil

[spare prism]

I’m already making 1000mw of biomass I need coal plant I can’t survive on bio mass I already stripped most of the desert

[near mural]

if ur really trying to speedrun to fuel and have acess to slooping things then you could skip coal but if you just playing normally coal def the play

[near mural]

are you in the dune desert?

[cunning glade]

It's not about speed running

It's about the fact he needs like a million smart plating

[near mural]

two coal plants with 8 gens should be more than enough unless hes really going big

[cunning glade]

My first power plant I do 3600mw of coal power

[bleak valley]

Iirc it’s a modded game

[jagged nymph]

not like a million, literally a million. Even if he made 1000 smart plating per minute thats ~15 hours

[cunning glade]

I believe it's 24 gens in total

[spare prism]

@cunning glade its all gone lol #screenshots message

[cunning glade]

Ok that's why I said a million

[near mural]

oh my fucking god he really needs a million smart plating 😭

[jagged nymph]

ik but people could mistake iot as just meaning alot cause some people say "a million" to exaggerate a large amount of things

[cunning glade]

How much pasta u gonna need?

For p5?

[jagged nymph]

a million

[fierce granite]

i'm wondering what the mod is that changed it to that much

[jagged nymph]

its 1000x requirements

[near mural]

i thiught u were joking

[cunning glade]

Oh yeah ig cuz it's also 1k

[spare prism]

🤣

[near mural]

bro genuinely how are you gonna get allat smart plating bro

[gloomy tusk]

nuclear pasta is the easiest final part

[jagged nymph]

afk for like a week straight like a maniac

[cunning glade]

Is it actually?

[jagged nymph]

yeah but it just uses a shit ton of copper

[wise junco]

yeah i'd agree with that

[gloomy tusk]

in my humble opinion it is

[jagged nymph]

its just pcc and copper powder, but its 1200 copper ingot/m for 1 pasta/m

[cunning glade]

Fair I've only ever gotten too phase 4 so

[cunning glade]

I see I'm gonna be making 60 a min lol

[gloomy tusk]

we absolutely love the copper usage

[jagged nymph]

like imkibitz lol

[near mural]

i regret playing for progession instead of doing what interested me starting to get brunt out on this file bruh </3

[jagged nymph]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[normal orbit]

well the pressure cubes are kinda convoluted to make tho

[jagged nymph]

yea but you should be automating the stuff to make it anyway by that point

[wise junco]

that's why i've been taking my time, just slowly prodding through one thing at a time

[gloomy tusk]

i don't understand how people get burnt out so fast im about to beat the game and its my first run?

[jagged nymph]

they rush through and try to build a billion things per minute and get overwhelmed

and try to make everything perfectly efficient

i say they like i dont do that too

[near mural]

i kinda skipped over things i had alot of fun with because i didnt need them atm and i rushed pretty hard without understanding things that came before

[spare prism]

I was making 6 smart plates per min at 50k it would have taken 5 days and 19 hours or some bump that up to 20 I looking at 19 hours total, then I sloop the end production making even more

[near mural]

yeah 😭

[jagged nymph]

if you make 1000/m thats still 16 hours

[gloomy tusk]

my goal for my world is to make absolutely every thing automated

[ornate saffron]

lots of us do this. Its hard to take it slow and learn when you want to see the new shiny things

[jagged nymph]

i mean yeah that is what youre supposed to do

[spare prism]

For the 1 million?

[jagged nymph]

yes

[spare prism]

Oml well I do have other stuff to unlock tho so I can build a factory and let it run

[jagged nymph]

100/m is 160 hours, or 7 days

[near mural]

been too spent up on what im gonna be doing later i didnt do what i wanted to in fear itd get in the way

shouldve built the turbo fuel plant of my dreams in that big ass crater 😭