satisfactory

[hybrid nymph]

sure. modded or unmodded?

[pastel vine]

i have only the normal Version 1.1

make that an different?

[hybrid nymph]

I can show you a little mini modpack I amde with just a handful of mods, super easy, and it's just little quality of life things, like the gasoline chainsaw

[pastel vine]

sounds nice

but i have an update it says its finished in 20min

[hybrid nymph]

who here is old enough to remember VHS tapes?

[pastel vine]

i´m no 🙂

[hybrid nymph]

I am 30 years old, I remember them

I remember watching Pokemon back on various VHS tapes as a kid, GOD I feel old saying that!

[pastel vine]

thats not very old

[cunning glade]

hey smart man https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=JAlwV3jhAjjVJ5GFm5SB heres the tools link

[pastel vine]

i think each person which plays videogames isn't old

who is the smart man ?

[cunning glade]

idk if its right or not

but hopefully

[pastel vine]

oh do you mean me?

[hybrid nymph]

me lol

[cunning glade]

neko

[hybrid nymph]

unless you got a master's degree it's me lol

[pastel vine]

aha

[cunning glade]

hence why i replied too his message

[normal orbit]

right for what?

[hybrid nymph]

ahh I see

makes sense

[cunning glade]

nuclear

like that works loop wise

[hybrid nymph]

So @normal orbit so you're smart eh?

[cunning glade]

cuz we were talking before about needing 50.4 uranium

[hybrid nymph]

something that drives me nuts is the turbine in the coal generator has no animation

[normal orbit]

probably? but like what the objective, just do something, or like make most power, etc

[hybrid nymph]

it wouldn't be that hard to do cofeestain

[cunning glade]

just perfect loop with fics rods using all the ore on the map

well cancer rocks specifically

[normal orbit]

sure it'll prob work for that. you can make a fair chunk more power and get the exakt same amount of plutonium/ficsonium not using the fertile uranium tho

but do what you want

[cunning glade]

alot more work no?

[normal orbit]

i have no intention of double checking that math tho

[cunning glade]

when i change it in tool it just only uses 1300 something

[normal orbit]

its just weird to me, to use fertile uranium recipe mixed with the other refinement recipes to create some congolmeration to make the exakt same plutonium rods as if you'd just make 50.4 rods instead

[cunning glade]

1493.33

[normal orbit]

i dont see the gain

[cunning glade]

tbh i dont understand nuclear cuz i dont have it yet fully

and this is just what tools tells me

other way seems more work tho cuz i have way more ore left over

[normal orbit]

maybe its not best tool to use for this? idk, i just did the math by hand and that chain looks weird a-f to me

i've never used a planner tool

[cunning glade]

i agree calculator may be better idk tho

fair i always do just easier

this is mostly a rough draft cuz i wanna make sure too leave enough stuff on the map so its possible

[swift turret]

ya

I still remember the movie I watched on it. Brother Bear

[normal orbit]

can you tell tools nto to use fertile uranium?

[cunning glade]

yes one sec

[cunning glade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=PK5ec4T1alOP8KKKFAoY without

[pastel vine]

@hybrid nymph i can play now

[normal orbit]

i've no idea what thats doing, but the numbers just wrong

[hybrid nymph]

no way mee too! That was my favorite moive as a kid!

[normal orbit]

i dont understand how you can have 2520 waste and only 22.4 fuel rods

[hybrid nymph]

One question first before we play, youa re an adult right?

[normal orbit]

that math doesnt work

2520 waste comes from 50.4 fuel rods

50.4 x 50 = 2520

[pastel vine]

No, I'm not 18, I'm slightly under

[normal orbit]

i would assume you set up tools wrong, but since i dont use it, not sure how

[pastel vine]

Is that an problem?

[hybrid nymph]

Oh I see, no issue just asking

I'm old...

lol

[pastel vine]

I'm not sure that 30 is old

[normal orbit]

setting uranium fuel rods to maximum would in my world make 50.4 rods, not 22.4, but...

[hybrid nymph]

@pastel vine pm me

[normal orbit]

whatever i spose ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cunning glade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=eImC8G7202bo1vthvEGI

okay i think i fixed it

tho fuck ass tools bro

[pastel vine]

i do

[cunning glade]

336 superpostion oscillators a min as a byproduct

[cunning glade]

i just changed from the set numbers too maximize my bad

[normal orbit]

it doesnt show sloops used?

[cunning glade]

no

[normal orbit]

cause you're definatly using them there

[cunning glade]

yeah thats the plan

hence the 800 ingots

u should add the option for sloops or oc for machines

ig this way works but would be nice

[normal orbit]

the important numbers look ok, 50.4 U rods to 2520 waste to 22.4 pu rods to 224 waste to 112 ficsonium rods.

how you make the items between that is w/e

[cunning glade]

yeah but numbers are good and than how many plants

[normal orbit]

252 U rods reactors, 224 Pu rods reactors and 112 Ficsonium reactors, adjust amount with overclocks

[cunning glade]

ah i shouldve asked about fully oced cuz thats my plan but okay ty

[normal orbit]

just divide by 2.5 for each

[reef basin]

not technically possible

[normal orbit]

gonna get uneven numbers. i would personally like do 120 u rod ones, and clock em to 210% but to each their own

[cunning glade]

so 235.2 total

[normal orbit]

keep in mind you can't mix rods

[cunning glade]

ye ill oc or underclock them as need be

[normal orbit]

well you can, but your system will have issues

[cunning glade]

tho id prefer 250% and oc the last one too whater .0000%

cuz 600 water per one so easier on pipes

[cunning glade]

whys that just curious but fair all good then

[normal orbit]

less easy on reactors, cuz they draw water so fast. every 0.5 sec

[cunning glade]

well like it should just work right

i plan too hook water up first

[normal orbit]

i've had issues with reactors, and reactors alone

[reef basin]

current solver cannot do non-decimal variables, so you could get two machines at 50%, each slooped, and solver would think you need 1 sloop total

[cunning glade]

Ah I see fair enough then

Thx for telling me

[cunning glade]

Wym cuz I really wanna pipe max here couldn't I just water tower I saw someone else do it so 🤷

[normal orbit]

you can try

not saying it doesnt work, just saying its not as easy as other machines for some reason, and the reason i think is the rate it keeps drawing on the pipes

good lord the spammers, people need to stop clicking on links for free money :p

[cunning glade]

def will

ill give it a test run

[mellow pewter]

Looks like I managed to lose all my blueprints from old playthoughs... Pray for me, people, I had dozens of those...

[cunning glade]

did u check ur save files?

cuz blueprints save per world

if u have the world it should be in there

[mellow pewter]

Oh. I thought they were shared for some reason. Then again, it had been ages... Thank you!

[cunning glade]

yeah go too blueprints there should be folder of the world name with them in there

just copy them over too the new one u should be good

[cunning glade]

ofc hope u find them if u need help lmk and goodluck pioneer

[cunning glade]

but ill try it worst case i cant

[mellow pewter]

Found them, thanks. And apparently I knew that they were there before, as my previous worlds have the same bps I made before, but I just forgot about it.

[cunning glade]

all good it happens glad u found them

[cunning glade]

quick look at where u need too pipe the water is icky

wack spot

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message it does become a lot of sippy, made some frame blueprints with 5x6 pipe supports since i had 30 reactors per row, 6 rows (1200 uranium total use).

[cunning glade]

So glad I won't be doing water

Tho I see

[cunning glade]

Tho where I wanna put my plant and how I wanna design it is constantly on my mind

[normal orbit]

near water would be the idea

[cunning glade]

Lol

[normal orbit]

you need a lot of it

[cunning glade]

Yeah thats the plan

[versed mesa]

👋

[cunning glade]

👋

[versed mesa]

In 10 days 1.2 will arrive on Exp

[sharp basin]

Wait wait, there’s a jetpack AND an hoverpack?

[next ivy]

jetpack gets outclassed by hoverpack usually yea (general use)

really hoping we get something that combines all 3 tho

parachute, jetpack, hoverpack

[sharp basin]

Shiiiit

[spice patio]

Jetpack is more for exploration and movement, while hoverpack is more for building.

[sharp basin]

Oooook

And when do you get hoverpack?

[next ivy]

like phase 4

[sharp basin]

OK I just reached phase 3

[normal orbit]

diffrent use cases. jetpack is for mobility, hoverpack is for building

[sharp basin]

Still using solid biofuel

[next ivy]

since im carrying power poles anywhere i go when exploring, jetpack has 0 use

other than MAYBE hypertube cannon

[reef basin]

if you want to abuse that

[next ivy]

everyone has different strategies ofc

[hybrid nymph]

golden nut statue here I come!

[next ivy]

but mine is the best

how many times did you have to nut before unlocking the golden nut skin

[sharp basin]

Hoverpack’s the thing I see on all videos with the 2 remote controls?

[spice patio]

Yes

[sharp basin]

Need a design for a really good hypertube cannon, my 2 starter factories are really far from each other and it’s starting to be a pain in the ass to fill my inventory

[reef basin]

depots

[sharp basin]

I know but before I go exploring the whole world I’d like to go cannon

[normal orbit]

type into search: has:image hypertube cannon

[hybrid nymph]

hell yeah golden nut statue here I come!

[sharp basin]

I mean before I get enough spheres

[cunning glade]

I'm curious how the nuclear jetpack compares ones I unlock it tbh

[reef basin]

if you already have traveled far to the other factory, you should already have some exploration done, and should be able to build depots 🙂

[hybrid nymph]

1029 coupons

[cunning glade]

Mod ik but still neat

Wish nuclear jetpack was base game would be cool tbh

[next ivy]

1.2 🤞

[sharp basin]

Not enough, I’ve travelled, but not been looking for spheres enough

[turbid hound]

What are you expecting from version 1.2?

[sharp basin]

It’s on my list, obviously

[reef basin]

much better option to do that than to optimise travel times that will be redundant anyway

[sharp basin]

But still I’d like to try a good cannon between my two factories

[reef basin]

🤷 your choice if you want to abuse that

[cunning glade]

Still need too figure out where too put my aluminum factory

[sharp basin]

You consider the cannon cheating a bit?

[reef basin]

a lot

[cunning glade]

How?

[reef basin]

it's essentially a bug and invalidates every other transportation method

[cunning glade]

I don't think it's a bug it makes sense

[sharp basin]

I DO see your point

[cunning glade]

One thing makes u go fast a lot of fast things makes u faster

[reef basin]

it was a bug initially. They kept it in because people cried that they want OP stuff

[cunning glade]

I mean maybe initially it still makes sense tho imo

[reef basin]

it doesn't

[cunning glade]

Logically atleast

Boosters stacking makes sense too me 🤷

[reef basin]

it's not a booster tho

it's entrance

[cunning glade]

Same thing my bad I have a mod that adds stronger ones that calls them boosters

[hybrid nymph]

DNA points are the way to go with the awesome sink

[reef basin]

well that's not relevant to the base game we're talking about 😉

[deft drum]

Anything that fills storage is

[hybrid nymph]

vy using just 2 somersloops you can turn 1 remains into 4 DNA points

[cunning glade]

Even with it I still use trains so I don't think it makes everything irrelevant

[cunning glade]

But theres no reason for them too not boost ur speed if one gives u speed

[reef basin]

it does. It replaced every personal transportation method.

[reef basin]

they should give you fixed speed
not improve existing speed

[cunning glade]

Then so should slide jumping basically

Cuz same mechanic

[reef basin]

yeah it should

[cunning glade]

U think b hopping shouldn't be real u just hate being able too move huh

[reef basin]

no, I don't like having one OP option among multiple balanced ones

[sharp basin]

@reef basin I regret a few things in my playthrough, which is my 1st one: I duped some coupons & shards because I wanted some kind of freedom in the way I want to build my factories right from the start, so I wanted the all the items from the shop and I dislike looking for slugs (that part, I assume). I kind of assume, since my coupons saved me lots of time not having to go back to my 1st factory while I was building the 2nd at the other side of the map, just had to open the shop. But from now on (Phase 3), I’m starting to figure out how to do everything the right way.

[cunning glade]

You'd rather run everywhere or walk😭

[reef basin]

I'd rather build in a way that I don't have to run everywhere

[languid rampart]

https://youtu.be/5_EY-1i-3qs?si=8pJ1BIL4WeGMbL5H go watch my freinds video he put a lot of effort into if and it got 54 views

[reef basin]

interesting problem with smart solutions

rather than than "hehe speed go brrr"

[cunning glade]

What

[reef basin]

#streams-and-videos

[reef basin]

if built correctly, I don't have a reason to go anywhere, other than:

• exploration
• building new factory
• sightseeing

[cunning glade]

Also I think b hopping is balanced cuz it takes some skill

Also it's low-key necessary for big Factorys

[reef basin]

we already have plenty of exploration tools, building new factory is one-time job and sightseeing by definition shouldn't have instant travel

[cunning glade]

Def not instant tbh feels roughly the same time as trains

Falling takes forever

[hybrid nymph]

another achievemetn down

[reef basin]

it's 5-10 seconds to cross entire map
trains do that in 5 minutes

[next ivy]

i mean, hypertube cannon is a realistic movement option tho

even planes dont have constant thrust, some can just glide

[cunning glade]

Tho idk how slow base game trains are I think I have them increased by like 40-60km

[next ivy]

and give bursts of thrust when needed

[hybrid nymph]

question

[next ivy]

wingsuit when

[cunning glade]

Just cause wing suit when

[reef basin]

yeah if you just modded everything, then it's irrelevant. I'm (still) talking about base game

[next ivy]

hookshot

[languid rampart]

k thanks

[hybrid nymph]

so I have mods installed, to get the complete all MAM research trees achievement, do I need to compelte the modded ones too?

[cunning glade]

I just like fast trains

[hybrid nymph]

or just the vanilla trees?

[cunning glade]

But even still cannon is a good min or 2

With the having too wait too build speed and fall

Tho also depends on how far ur going

[south cliff]

No, planes have constant thrust. They don't idle unless there's an emergency, or they're practicing on emergencies

[sharp basin]

Got a design to go across like half the map?

[reef basin]

canon is practically instant (you just put like 10 entrances back to back) and if you don't launch too high, you don't need to fall high

[cunning glade]

I just do a space saving loop

And power saving technically

[reef basin]

oh no, not the infinite space

[cunning glade]

Why fit 1 when u could fit 10 in the same spot

[reef basin]

why do you need 10 canons

[cunning glade]

Each point a different way? Also power and technically the object limit

[reef basin]

both power and object limit are practically infinite

[cunning glade]

Well u need some pointing each way

[reef basin]

and we have so much space that even 100 canons are just a small square

[cunning glade]

Power sure later in game also object limit no I hit that on my first playthrough within 200hours

[reef basin]

object limit can be increased

[cunning glade]

Sure also technically risk too that

[reef basin]

not much tbh

[cunning glade]

Idk how real they're but it does say it's possible

Also cuz loop is cooler

[next ivy]

some do

didnt say all

[spice patio]

The ones that glide regularly, outside of using lower power setting when coming down, usually don't have any engines at all.

[south cliff]

The only planes that actively fly without thrust are gliders, who don't have any thrust to begin with

[cunning glade]

Idk Im mixed aswell with hypertube cannons

But not having them would suck

[reef basin]

if you never had it, it wouldn't suck at all

it would suck only because you had them in the past

[cunning glade]

Originally on my first playthrough I didn't use them and looking back yeah it def did suck

[exotic fractal]

What is a hypertube cannon if i may ask?

Haven't heard of that yet ;w;

[cunning glade]

Whole bunch of entrances that makes u go really fast

Across the map like a cannon

[exotic fractal]

Oooooooh i see i see

[south cliff]

A semi-bugged mechanic of putting hyperloop entrances in a series that makes you shoot unreasonably fast, allowing you to cross the map in one go

[reef basin]

a bug/glitch that launches you in big speed

basically abusing originally-unintended game mechanics that are super OP

[exotic fractal]

I'm assuming its either weirdly easy to build or a severe pain in the ass XD

[cunning glade]

But with it it's a single player game I think it's great for the game and there's no wrong way too play

[south cliff]

very easy to build, and blueprintable

[exotic fractal]

Oh hell yeah, might have to look into making a couple of those

[cunning glade]

Or ig not single player but like it's meant too be fun and I think things too reduce tedious things are good

[reef basin]

oh yeah let's get all the OP things so that the game is no longer a challenge

already happened with 1.0, I don't want more

[cunning glade]

I just said tedious things

Traveling is tedious and inefficient

[reef basin]

that's the point

[cunning glade]

Why would ficsit want u too be less efficient

[reef basin]

you're supposed to build in a way to optimise travels
not just cheese it with instant free teleportation

[exotic fractal]

The only thing saving my attention deficit ass when it comes to crafting is Somersloops or however ya spell em

Love those things so far

[cunning glade]

I don't think it's that cheesy tho

[next ivy]

what about adding actual logistics challenges, and not make the challenge keeping your nerves together

[cunning glade]

It just makes traveling easier

And more fun tbh

[mortal ginkgo]

hypertubes are fast even without abuse of a cannon

[cunning glade]

Fuck no

[mortal ginkgo]

l2p issue clearly

[cunning glade]

Thoose things are so slow over long distance

[mortal ginkgo]

ultra l2p

[sharp basin]

@cunning glade how about that one?

https://youtu.be/oIwuDUSZApc?is=U61vhyOCEnpNYari

[cunning glade]

What

[mortal ginkgo]

you are going to a long distance and not finishing your job so you constantly need to back and forth?

planning and design issue.

[reef basin]

long distance travel is train

[exotic fractal]

I'm so tired but Ficsit doesn't pay me to sleep

[south cliff]

this was me before dimensional depots

[exotic fractal]

The grind stops for no one

[mortal ginkgo]

you are not efficient at making factories

[cunning glade]

I didn't realize wanting a hypertube too all ur builds was a skill issue

[reef basin]

skill issue is not optimising so that you don't have to travel often

[mortal ginkgo]

its there to make it easier but again if you are not good at optimizing distance and planning, its a you problem.

[cunning glade]

Who said I have too what if I wanna go too the factory

Just look at it or eventually go back and decorate them all

[mortal ginkgo]

why are you going back to a factory that is 100% made and works flawlessly?

[cunning glade]

Too look at my hard work

[mortal ginkgo]

well designing needs decoration. decoration needs dimentional depots. get more and it is solved

[cunning glade]

Dang didn't realize I couldn't admire my Factorys

[cunning glade]

I already have all building mats so far dd

[reef basin]

traveling a few times to a factory doesn't make canons worth

[mortal ginkgo]

if you need to admire your work every 10 minutes, you should go late game and use actual teleporters.

[reef basin]

as you can just save time by reusing your trains and such

[cunning glade]

I just like having a room too take me too each factory by tube

[cunning glade]

Not there yet

Trust I want

Only ever gotten as far as phase 4

[mortal ginkgo]

then go there. you are inefficient and wasting time admiring your so called awesome design

[exotic fractal]

Fiscit, take his balls for his inefficiency

[cunning glade]

True but planning next factorys takes time

[cunning glade]

Not my fault tell the game too give me 1200 belts sooner

Then I could truly use all the aluminum

[mortal ginkgo]

that doesnt need early game teleportation or so

[cunning glade]

Just realized I can't get portals till nuclear power

[mortal ginkgo]

you are wanting teleportation so you can admire your far awat factories constantly.

this is called busy work that provides self satisfactory.

and this is on you.

[cunning glade]

How do u even power portals

[mortal ginkgo]

i mean i love decoration so much but i aint gonna travel 15 times a day to see my work

[cunning glade]

Do u have too power each one

Cuz all my singularity cells are gonna be made in one spot

[cunning glade]

I just like looking at alot of machines working plus big builds are a little annoying

[deft drum]

Power, yes

But only one end needs tbe singularity cells

[cunning glade]

Okay perfect ty

Cuz I'm making

224/m

I planned too just sloop some and have them power portals so I have spares

[mortal ginkgo]

are you.. sure?

[exotic fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[cunning glade]

Me?

[exotic fractal]

gif didnt load but im sure you get the point

[cunning glade]

Yeah server is lame and no gifs or outside stickers they hate fun

Or emojis ig

Which is the main thing that fucking blows but I'm guessing it's all one category

They just tick a box and not allowed

[mortal ginkgo]

it asks for 22 pasta/min and its only used for final late game stuff

what are you even making them for?

[exotic fractal]

man i aint even got my custom lil emojis, how else am i supposed to show off my silly little character guy

[mortal ginkgo]

no u wont kek

[cunning glade]

I'm making 30 pasta unslooped slooped too 60 for a full mk1 belt plan too steal from that

And doing 112 fics rods a min

[sharp basin]

Guys advice: I’m about to build my 1st fuel plant (just unlocked Phase 3) but I wanna produce some liquid biofuel too for the jetpack, best way to to it?

[cunning glade]

Make a separate setup at home too make biofuel for jetpack

U just need biomass and water iirc

[normal orbit]

or make it where you do the plastic cuz you need that to bottle it

[cunning glade]

Or steel?

[sharp basin]

Oh no not biomass, no other way?

[mortal ginkgo]

spare some oil for it // liquid biofuel is vastly superior to regulat fuel for jetpack // turbo is good for fast verticality etc

[cunning glade]

For liquid bio fuel no

[normal orbit]

or iron and copper

[cunning glade]

I'm also super indecisive that doesn't help

Like for example I got all the resources hooked up too trains for 16400 aluminum ingots a min

[tall lantern]

liquid biofuel's easy to set up at least because it can't be fully automated, you just slap some crates and basic machines down

[cunning glade]

But idk where I wanna put the dam factory

[sharp basin]

@mortal ginkgo @cunning glade wait you’re not saying the same thing

Oil or biomass?

[tall lantern]

both?

[mortal ginkgo]

i don't care what others say so i will clarify.

you can have some oil spared for making fuel only for yourself as a separated production line.

however liquid biofuel is vastly superior with its duration so i would focus on that instead

[tall lantern]

power should 100% use something fully automatable, but that doesn't mean you can't also have a lil setup for liquid biofuel for jetpack

[sharp basin]

Yeah that’s exactly what I want to do! My question was : how do you make liquid biofuel?

[cunning glade]

Water and biomass in a refinery

And then u package it

Or ig it's solid biofuel technically

[mortal ginkgo]

refinery = hard biofuel + water. then package

[cunning glade]

I sloop and oc most of it so u get more biofuel

Assuming u have the spare

[tall lantern]

same

[sharp basin]

@mortal ginkgo @cunning glade so no matter what I have to collect wood/grass?

[tall lantern]

though not like it ever runs out in practice

[cunning glade]

Just for solid biofuel for fuel for the jetpack

[tall lantern]

for biofuel, yes

[mortal ginkgo]

make it out of animal corpses brotherman

[cunning glade]

Also u don't need too @ us or atleast me

[mortal ginkgo]

you dont need to farm trees you aint a farmer

[cunning glade]

I'm right here lol

Or even mushrooms I think

[neat plank]

I never collect wood/grass, I like keeping the bushes. I just skip to Protein into Biomass.

And farm Hogs whilst vibin'.

[tall lantern]

okay yeah not necessarily plants, but you cannot fully automate biofuel as there's no automatable source

[cunning glade]

I view it as improving the fps

Less foliage

[tall lantern]

improving FPS at the cost of longer load/save times

even here there's tradeoffs lol

[cunning glade]

Does it actually?

[tall lantern]

it has to record what's gone, yes

[cunning glade]

I mean ig but I'm sure its negligible

[mortal ginkgo]

if you are having fps issues because of a silly bunch of grass, it might be a good time to innvest in a better pc

[neat plank]

The save file is a delta against the base map.

[tall lantern]

just as it is for framerate 😉

[neat plank]

So it records what isn't there, as opposed to what is, to improve loading performance.

[cunning glade]

Well yeah I just said that's how I view it

Why am I not real too autocorrect

Always changes it too u

Like stop please 😭

[cunning glade]

Fair enough

[vocal wolf]

is the sam edible

[cunning glade]

Actually true that's the plan soon 9850x3d and some ddr5 finally and some nice water-cooling

Tired of this 12700k

It trash

[mortal ginkgo]

yes. consume.

[cunning glade]

God damn it's almost 5 years old

My PC is getting so old

[undone lichen]

Boil it first so it kills all the bacteria

[cunning glade]

Bet it would taste so good on an edible

[vocal wolf]

i did that and the sam turned into a goop in my pan

[cunning glade]

Did it also happen too absorb into the pan

Can't imagine it's the most stable after being melted

[coral kiln]

Can anyone tell me how I could remove a foundation stuck in the floor?

[undone lichen]

That means the bacteria is dead, you're good👍

[coral kiln]

I somehow placed it there but now it's just stuck there

[vocal wolf]

i ate it

[undone lichen]

Did you zoop the foundation into the map itself?

I think at that point it's just stuck there forever

Unless you load a save file that saved before you placed the foundation

[sour cargo]

what's a good chain of receipes to make versatile frameworks for Tier2?

[unique junco]

Guys hi all im have problem im set API vulcan but have error

[coral kiln]

._.

[vocal wolf]

the doctor says i only have 12 seconds left of conciousness before i merge into a hivemind with the sa
Hello. I have Cancer. The only way to cure it is to eat Strange Ailen Matter. Please Eat Strange Ailen Matter.

[cunning glade]

Use satisfactory tools and figure out what works best for u

Cuz it all depends on what alts u have or what resources u have access too currently

Or whatever alot of variables

[coral kiln]

last autosave was so long ago

[undone lichen]

The merging only last sam³/60 second

[cunning glade]

Ignore it it's not an issue

[unkempt blade]

just make sure to always pick the recipe that uses the most screws whenever there's a choice to make

[cunning glade]

Won't cause any either

[coral kiln]

nvm the save wasn't that long ago

[coral kiln]

it is for me ._.

[cunning glade]

How so

[unique junco]

Guys hi all im have problem im set API vulcan but have error

[undone lichen]

He said the S word!

[cunning glade]

Cuz like mentally bothers u?

Cuz same tho next time I play Ive forgotten about it so

[undone lichen]

Hey mate you can ask it in #1038092680493801533 just make a post there and someone will eventually try to help you

Or you'll be lucky enough and someone actually helps you in here

[vocal wolf]

Please conume Strange Ailen Matter.

[unique junco]

Ty

[undone lichen]

Yw

Are loop pipes for pipe manifolds that feeds 2 machines/junction possible

[hollow acorn]

Please tell mne how to place ELEVATORS so the conmtrol panel is by the door and not in the back?

[next ivy]

have you seen that somewhere ?

[hollow acorn]

somnetimnes its at the door and somnetimnes inm the back

[zenith pecan]

Found the place where my sloops for manufacture are going, pressure conversion cubes, pasta & sing cells 😄

[hollow acorn]

nevermind, i figured it out

[spiral summit]

i find it funny how nitric acid requires a gas cylinder yet you can clearly see its packaged in a plastic jug

[zenith pecan]

That's what happens when you outsource gas cylinders to the lowest bidder 🤣

[normal orbit]

it looks like an actual gas bottle, what ya on about?

[spiral summit]

check again

nitric acid not nitrogen

[normal orbit]

oh

my bad

[wild hollow]

Anyone know of a way to get double wall outlets to be completely vertical? Like, sticking out of the ceiling and floor?

[supple canopy]

I suppose rooves don't work?

[wild hollow]

You mean the antiquated term for roofs? 😛

[supple canopy]

haha

[wild hollow]

Nvm I'll just stick the cable through the wall I guess.

[supple canopy]

yea you can use horizontal beams and place the double outlet on top

[wild hollow]

Oh damn

Thanks 🙂

[supple canopy]

np

I think doing it this way the other side of the double outlet will be burried in the beam though

[wild hollow]

I'm getting really into 4x4 blueprinting, and right now I'm making a smelter tower.

[supple canopy]

right now I can't think of another way to do it

[wild hollow]

With nudging it could work

Just have to line up the top side of the pillar with the top of a foundation somehow

[supple canopy]

what I do when I want a double outlet but with a larger gap between the two outlets, is just building two perfectly aligned simple outlets and manually connecting them

[wild hollow]

Fair enough 🙂

I think I did it, one vertical nudge apart above and below the horizontal small pillar seemed to have did the trick. Not only that, but the top portion just barely sticks out of the ground, looks pretty clean

[storm hull]

do you guys think Satisfactory will go on a cheaper than 30% or is it better to buy it now?

[wild hollow]

Depends on what your gaming budget is I guess. Satisfactory takes so long to complete that it's pretty much always worth the price IMO. You won't get a partial refund if you play for longer than 2 hours or bought it over 14 days ago though.

[sharp basin]

@mortal ginkgo @cunning glade so for liquid biofuel, only 2 options, pick up grass/wood or killing animals, zero possibility to automate?

[next ivy]

it was on 50% at least once

[wild hollow]

Correct, gathering of raw materials is not automateable. Everything else in the process is. I would just use liquid biofuel for the jetpack if anything.

[hybrid nymph]

Just knocked out 2 achievements tonight complete all MAM research trees, and buy the golden nut statue

[mortal ginkgo]

you dont need to @ me for such questions. yes it cant be automated but after going hunt for once and slooping your biofuel production in all steps, you will have enough fuel until GTA7 is released.

[hybrid nymph]

I have a goal to collect all of the achievements

I've only ever 100% completed one game on Steam with all the achievements

I got very close on a few Lego games

[wild hollow]

Just remember, you're not done until you have 100% efficient processing of every single resource on the map.

[storm hull]

i've saw steamdb but that was sadly 2 years ago or such

[storm hull]

around 50-60 i guess less would be better (money for me is hard to get as i can't get a job i'm a minor) but i'm fine with 73.5 i guess i just wouldn't be happy if it became cheaper exactly after i bought it

[spiral summit]

bruh i thought i could use a leached caterium recipe and itll add an extra 400mw wth

[fluid sapphire]

that was during early access, it hasnt gone past 30% after that

likely it wont any time soon

this is as good a deal as you are going to get, but everyone here will tell you, its 100% worth it

[storm hull]

Okay thanksss thennso I shouldn't worry in another sale bigger sale happening?

[fluid sapphire]

nope, not at all

[spiral summit]

i wouldnt say worry but you can always wait 10 years for it to go 90% off

[storm hull]

Thank you brodieeee

[storm hull]

I have a better idea waiting another 10 on top of the previous ten for it to be free!

[spare prism]

hi

[peak wasp]

hi!! my brain has stopped working does 4 biofuel with 60 per min mean 240 biofuel pm?

[fluid sapphire]

4 constructors making solid biofuel at default clock speed? it would appear so?

[peak wasp]

no like 1 constructer has 4 biofuel output with 60 per min do i just 4*60

or does 60pm mean for 1 unit???

[spiral summit]

every "per minute" in the game is for one unit

[peak wasp]

ooh ty then i need 6 biomasss burner fo it

[spare prism]

Restart brain.exe

[last bluff]

THE DREAM

[spare prism]

Is there a way to make a factory run 100%. Run full numbers

[last bluff]

Come again?

Like have perfect efficiency?

[spare prism]

So I’m running satisfactory tool to make stuff but it’s having me run say example like 20.925 smelters and 24.975 contuctors so I was asking is there a way to round up those numbers bc I don’t wanna deal with periods rn

[next ivy]

yea just round them

[fluid sapphire]

adjust clock speeds

0.925 just means 92,5% speed

[next ivy]

which is impossible

[elfin smelt]

if he rounds it wouldn't be 100%

[next ivy]

so round to 93% or 100%

[next ivy]

you could

[spare prism]

I’ll mess with this tool and see what I can do

[fluid sapphire]

its either or, not both

[last bluff]

Technically, you can also round by combining nodes. Though try to go just below 100% when working with a few recipes, or they might clog in a real-life day

That still does the boot animation tho

[fluid sapphire]

adjusting clock speed is not a wild concept

[elfin smelt]

its very unlikely sometimes they will not have a perfect 100% uptime unless you go after the perfect numbers

[spare prism]

Ohhh I gotta take 28 smart plates that comes to a slightly better

[fluid sapphire]

100% uptime is doable for any system

[fickle wraith]

why are some symbols yellow on the map

[spare prism]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=GwtWWGqFEhq7VhaQEgM1

[next ivy]

on scim ?

or ingame map

[fluid sapphire]

close the map and reopen, its a very common bug

does not affect anything, just cosmetic

[fluid sapphire]

that looks good, no repeating decimals anywhere

[spare prism]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=VVdMijOTPN1tRSOaPbyW wait this one

So this is just .5 for some

But most are full numbers woooo

[fluid sapphire]

you\re gonna have a real fun time doing that with mk2 belts

[midnight harness]

hahaha

that will be a nightmare

[spare prism]

You come hold my hand 🥺

[fluid sapphire]

you can mostly leave the full number dream behind, it wont last you very long

i cant, i have homework :p

[midnight harness]

are you in tier 1 or 2 of SE?

[spare prism]

Well I can dumb it down to just 20

[midnight harness]

i will assume going for 1

[spare prism]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=HgljF1MeTAvTD3TL88PZ

[midnight harness]

if you can get cast screws

[spare prism]

Oh I'm modded so I have to make 50k smart plates for phase one

I went a bit mad 😈

[midnight harness]

it will make it 20x easier

cuz no rods in between

[spare prism]

im lazy and dont feel like exploring so build factory

[midnight harness]

where did you spawn?

cuz grassy has a freighter like 100 meters from the general spawn zone

most of them do

and you can just scan and save before the rescan

[white dawn]

Usually exploring is what folks do when they're too lazy to build more factories. :D

[midnight harness]

and reload until you get the recipie

[spare prism]

Desert but I have mod that on hard drive sites big spiders spawn and I don't have fighting stuff yet for that lol

[fluid sapphire]

lazy, but uses 50x multiplier, fascinating

[pallid umbra]

hi Benson XD

[midnight harness]

you can use the parachute to have reach from enough height that the spiders miss

[tranquil latch]

ive spent over 4 hours trying to learn trains, what in the world am i looking at

[spare prism]

Hi lol

[pallid umbra]

or just swift your pve hostility to retaliate lol

[spare prism]

Mom said I'm special

[midnight harness]

yep

[pallid umbra]

or ask me to do exploration like i already lol

almost done with a map tour XD

[spare prism]

Nah attack on sight

I'm gunna show these spiders who boss

[pallid umbra]

i do kill spiders but it's more of a general hate against them lol

also i got the zeno-basher from doggo cave lol

[midnight harness]

i nuke them

[fluid sapphire]

if you have specific questions we got #1038092680493801533

[midnight harness]

that too

[pallid umbra]

we dont have nukes at phase 1

well i could bother with doggos

[tranquil latch]

no im just wondering is this really what it feels like to be in this phase

[pallid umbra]

but we dont have doggo spawner mod which mean it's harder

[tranquil latch]

it went from hand picking and hand crafting iron plates to working with i dont know anymore

🫩🫩

[fluid sapphire]

the start of the game is deceptive

[last bluff]

"What in the world am I looking at" is the feeling this game perfectly replicated from programming jobs

[fluid sapphire]

at least here you are solely responsible for the mess you are looking at

[tranquil latch]

genuinely im going crazy

[last bluff]

Except there's less hostility in Satisfactory

[tranquil latch]

im gonna use spinjutsu bro

[midnight harness]

i just lure them to a 1x1 box and reap the benefits

[wild hollow]

"It doesn't work... why?" 4 hours later "It works now... why?"

[pallid umbra]

i prefer to do them a tower where they all are at the same time lol

[tranquil latch]

this is why having an automated factory 3000 meters away from main base sucks

[midnight harness]

so exactly the same as programming jobs

[last bluff]

4 hours is such a long time to achieve something. Like in my new play through, I was able to place a miner on copper and place down a bio generator in the first 4 hours

[wild hollow]

Damn speedrunners.

[tranquil latch]

im 60 hours in

and trains are something else

[last bluff]

Bro has two bio generators

[midnight harness]

i am 216 in and just barely got autom,ated aluminum

[tranquil latch]

what even are these intricate designs for intersections

[fluid sapphire]

havent had one yet, but i hear often times you work on already existing codebases rather than creating stuff from scratch

[midnight harness]

dont ask, they work

[tranquil latch]

its like trying to be leonardo da vinci for trains

[last bluff]

The technical term is "pls don't collide" mechanics

[midnight harness]

the same as coding, if it works, dont fix it

[tranquil latch]

what if i just use one train for the whole factory

[last bluff]

Factorio is king in having trains work somehow

[tranquil latch]

so no collisions

[last bluff]

That sounds horrid

[midnight harness]

may bottleneck

[fluid sapphire]

signaling looks more complicated than it really is

[tranquil latch]

lowk i only need trains because i needa get my motors and encased industrial beams 3000 meters away to my warehouse

for now ig..

[midnight harness]

if evey resource gets into your factory at the same time, you can keep it working, but the train will unload a resource first, then another, and so on

[last bluff]

Tbh it's actually not too much of a cost to have single-rail routes going to separate parts in a central main factory

[fluid sapphire]

what

[last bluff]

If you just want to do space elevator

[tranquil latch]

nah i wanna build los angeles in satisfactory

[fluid sapphire]

ah, yeah i wouldnt use the same train for multiple items

its much easier to have a train only carry one product

[tranquil latch]

is 2 products understandable?

and i just use smart splitters to split them in diff storage

[fluid sapphire]

you can do it, its just a touch more complex to set up

[last bluff]

Freight item sorter my beloved

[fluid sapphire]

uhh, well you shouldnt really load them into the same car

[tranquil latch]

i just came from shooter games and this is nun like call of duty bruh

[fluid sapphire]

at least i wouldnt

[tall lantern]

why not just use different carriages for different resources? it's fine if they're on the same train, but it's much simpler not to mix items in a platform/carriage

[fluid sapphire]

yes, if you want multiple products on the same train, better to use separate cars

but i like having lots of trains

[tranquil latch]

do trains work like, if i make this one station in my main base, and i build rails towards the automated factory i wanna get the materials from, do i just gotta loop it back to the main factory

[fluid sapphire]

totally normal
#screenshots message

[last bluff]

I kinda wished you could put fluid into the normal cars

[tall lantern]

you can?

[last bluff]

I WANT WET GUNPOWDER GODDAMMIT

[fluid sapphire]

the best way is to have 2 lanes

[cursive crane]

You can loop it, or make them doublesided on the same rail if its for one train.
-# but at that point just use conveyors

[tall lantern]

you can't mix fluids and solids in the same carriage, but you can totally load fluids into one

[tranquil latch]

one lane leading into the station and another lane just continuing?

[last bluff]

Also, why can't the Pioneer hold a few cubic metres of fluid in her hands?

[fluid sapphire]

your whole network is ideally a two lane system, for example, with right handed traffic

like real life traffic

[tranquil latch]

even if theres only one train?

[tall lantern]

only one train for now

[fluid sapphire]

you can have enclosed loops for sure, but the main strength of trains is that rail is reusable

[last bluff]

Like real-life station routes! Also it's basically impossible to collide them like that

[cursive crane]

Better to build for multiple than plan for one.

Trust me, youll need it lol

[tranquil latch]

ohh alright alright

[tall lantern]

more specifically, it's that it's best if trains can only go one way down a line. Whether that's because you have a separate lane for each direction, or some loop system, or some combination of the two

[tranquil latch]

i get the designs i just dont really get signaling

[last bluff]

God I wish enemies splashed instead of rolling over meekly when hit by a train

[tall lantern]

bidirectional tracks are a pain to signal and typically have much worse throughput to boot

[last bluff]

I like having a few non-resource trains randomly in the loop so you can feel like a civilian

[tranquil latch]

is there like a train planner for satisfacfory

[tall lantern]

planner in what way? you have a scheduler in-game

[spiral summit]

bidirectional tracks should only be used for a single train imo

[tranquil latch]

ohhh i was thinking about planner for like stations, railways

[spiral summit]

my only train rn runs by itself cause it takes such a ridiculous path that no other train should ever need to take

[tranquil latch]

where they should go yk

[tall lantern]

near the stuff you need to move

no point building stations arbitrarily around the place, in the same way you aren't like dumping storage containers or power poles for no reason

[cursive crane]

Open your map, see where your factories are, put a station

[tranquil latch]

ohh alr alr i understand it now

[last bluff]

Did any of you guys see the Factorio challenge where mr youtuber had to use train cars instead of belts? I wish that'd be possible. Delivery by really long stationary train

[cursive crane]

Then end up deleting and putting it elsewhere later when you realize its not where you want it when you actually need it

[tall lantern]

what's a factorio

[cursive crane]

Why wouldnt it be possible

[last bluff]

It's a specific notation that's commonly used in some fields of maths like chance calculations

[sharp basin]

Sorry bro, just wanted to make sure, still quite a beginner. ❤️

[tall lantern]

no no that's a factorial. a factorio is a note you add to a claim that might not be true

[last bluff]

Factorio of 5, or 5!, for example, would be 5x4x3x2x1, which as an example is useful to find the amount of unique combinations if you shuffled 5 cards

[cursive crane]

#math-and-meta 🤓

[tranquil latch]

isnt that factorial

[last bluff]

Yes, it is indeed Factorio

[fluid sapphire]

real men pioneers shuffle decks of 60 cards, not 5

[spare prism]

Bruh I’m trying to build factory but my stomach is growling at me 😭

Where the fisit protein bar

[spiral summit]

im wondering how i should transport 250 uranium/min across the map without irradiating everything

or should i just not care because irl uranium is never that radioactive anyway

[white dawn]

Ambient radiation will be centered around the items themselves, fwiw

If you have it on a long belt, the irradiated area will be quite tiny (probably have to be practically standing on the belt to feel anything), or if you have it on vehicles/trains/drones the radiation would just move along with the vehicle/train/drone

It'll never "linger" on a spot where there's no radioactive material

[fluid sapphire]

just embrace the healthy glow

green means good

[white dawn]

But yeah, I wouldn't personally worry about it. Presumably you're already wearing the hazmat suits and have iodine filters onhand; if you ever do breifly dip into an irradiated area those'll keep you safe

[lavish flame]

Irradiate the whole map so everyone can enjoy some green goodness

[real shale]

Yummy uranium

[spiral summit]

i know i just thought id add some realistic "hazard protection" cause ive been doing a bit of it on my power station but frankly i cant really leadline a rail wagon

[orchid zinc]

Is it possible to mimic the maximize function from satisfactorytools in satisfactory modeler?

[inner ruin]

ok i defo need to work on optimisation. i set this going all night and now i got a box of screws and plates n stuff but hardly any of those cube frame things 🤣

[untold zealot]

Hmm. Is there a way I can tell a storage container to keep a certain amount of wares before sending it onwards?

[inner ruin]

now i regret bullying my manager for his poor setup of production lines

[untold zealot]

i.e "Keep 4 stacks and send the rest onwards"?

[normal orbit]

not really, you also have infinite materials, so you can just let it fill then send things onwards thru an overflow smart splitter

[spiral summit]

overflow and fill the other slots with like a single stacked item

[untold zealot]

Thaaat's.... janky, but hey, might work!

[fluid sapphire]

#screenshots message

you keep the any

the rest moves on

once the container is full

[untold zealot]

Yeah, that's the idea except without filling all the storage slots as that's a bit too much to keep in reserve. But the "split stacks into 1 to fill empty slots" works

[fluid sapphire]

you could use a regular container, they are pretty small

no such thing as too much

its not like they expire

[spiral summit]

you uh... building a collection?

[fluid sapphire]

normal amount of storage for me
#screenshots message

[last bluff]

100

[spiral summit]

how many items do you have this for

[fluid sapphire]

if i decide i want to build 100,000 signs, i can

every item i produce, some of them have slightly smaller setups

[last bluff]

Bro's game will explode

[fluid sapphire]

down to like 7 industrial containers

[normal orbit]

having built 200.000 signs, dont need that many :D

[fluid sapphire]

usually its 20+

[untold zealot]

Incidentally, if I literally blow up those Gas spewing trees with Dynamite I just unlocked, do they respawn the same way wildlife does?

[fluid sapphire]

a train loading depot for me
#screenshots message

does it need to be that crazy? probably not. do i do it anyway? well yeah

[normal orbit]

its fun to do pointless crazy things sometimes :p

[last bluff]

I know "byproducts" can sometimes be really important but generally I prefer to kill all machines by letting them clog up if their purpose is to make some item I am not using

[bleak valley]

Nope

[sterile blade]

But the yellow lights...!

[last bluff]

You won't lose power doing that anyway

[fluid sapphire]

this is the smallest one i have, for all steel products
#screenshots message

[bleak valley]

I like having all my factories running at 100% all the time

[spare prism]

woah so many pings

[fluid sapphire]

they do after a while, if there is nothing nearby

[spare prism]

wait chat was dead for an hour?

[inner ruin]

Ficsyt does not require human interaction and infact actively discourages it as this is not required for our mission and may potentially cause loss off efficiency.

[untold zealot]

Errrh mixed messages from you and @bleak valley 👀

Only one way to find out, blow them up!

[fluid sapphire]

i can personally attest i have destroyed the same gas pillars multiple times

[bleak valley]

I would listen to other people over me

I’m still pretty new only 100 hours

[fluid sapphire]

same but 1200 hours

i think they follow the same principle mobs do, a certain number of "base" structures nearby

[normal orbit]

there is a bug atm where they sometimes respawn it seems. Theres a few i had to blow up 3-4 times for em to stay gone

[atomic geyser]

If the refinery is using 3m^3 crude oil at 30 per minute, is that 30^3 per minute or 90^3 per minute?

[wild hollow]

Are items sometimes deleted if you have a full inventory instead of being put in a box?

[hollow adder]

what version of dlss does this game use? Is it normal for it to have so much ghosting on moving objects? (such as the blue/red holograms when placing a building or a conveyor belt)

[ornate saffron]

nbot sure they put more effeort into FSR though.

[near mural]

how tedious is making curves for railway bps? im having such a hard time getting a design thtat i like im abt to just put my railways on a steel frame T instead of making smth pretty 😭

[hollow adder]

can it also be used just for anti-aliasing?

[normal orbit]

30 per minute

[ornate saffron]

ask neko she loves curve bp rails

[normal orbit]

its super ez

you just need a curve guide to snap blueprint to

[near mural]

quick question i have a amd radeon 7600 do yall know if i should use amd fsr tsr or xess?

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message i did a lil guide

[near mural]

omg thats amazing tysm

[ornate saffron]

try one play for a bit. then change to the other. then choose which you prefer

[near mural]

what is anti aliasing i honestly have no clue

[spare prism]

Oh no

[hollow adder]

smoothing out the edges on objects that are far away

on every single line to say the truth. But it's more noticeable the further away an object is

[near mural]

thank you

[hollow adder]

games without AA (anti aliasing) look terrible, the lines are very jagged. However, satisfactory only offers the two worst kinds of AA: FXAA and TAA, or you can use an upscaler for AA: DLSS, FSR etc.

[near mural]

are there any roads that lead from grasslands to redbamboo forest? ive been using this ugly ahh foundation to get up there bcs i swaer i cant find one 😭

[normal orbit]

dlss without any framegen looks best imo. least when i was trying diffrent modes to try fix some flickering on experimental

[elfin smelt]

the alias from anti aliasing is another word for jaggies btw

[normal orbit]

not really, there is a ramp from crater lakes going up there, but thats about it

[near mural]

i knew it i spent like a hour scouring for one and found nothing 😭

[elfin smelt]

make this foundation ramp pretty then

[normal orbit]

the crater lake with a crash site in the middle of it on an island, has a ramp up. where the fracking node for oil is

[near mural]

im gonna bring a train down on it and ive spent sm time procrastinating trains and have been having such a hard time making pretty railway bps im using this ugly ah railway T for now once i get some real phase 4 factories down ill probably redo all my railways

ive spent far too long dilly dallying recently

[elfin smelt]

i made a corkscrew train line to access the red forest

it works great

[normal orbit]

you can do a separate train line up there, then move resources down to a train station below

[near mural]

do you have a screenshot this sounds really cool

[ornate saffron]

Conveyor lift waterfall !

[ornate saffron]

A train spiral Is a solid way to cover vertical distance but doews asdd much tim to a train route,

[near mural]

does the train have to go real slow down them?

[elfin smelt]

#screenshots message

[ornate saffron]

nono its just a lot of track length

[near mural]

i love that

makes sense

[normal orbit]

down they go faster, up they slow down if they longer than 5 total length

[ornate saffron]

these are all the natural roads in teh game. You can follow them to most loactions.

knowing this helps with train rail placement

#screenshots message

[near mural]

that does help greatly ty

[fading whale]

There is no risks related to train speeds. Only thing really is having enough track for breaking before a station. Not ideal to have a station right at the end of a steep drop. Nothing is going to break. But it would it would have to start braking long before the stop.

[near mural]

tbh fused modular frames dont seem that bad its just a hmf setup a aluminum setup and however u get nitrogen i thought it was gonna be smth crazy

[near mural]

i will keep this in mind ty

[ornate saffron]

do you plan on doing nuclear?>

[near mural]

as much as i want to do everything in this save and get all achievements i think im just gonna get to the end of the game and avoid nuclear if i can and try to do everything next save, knowing what ill need ahead of time will save me alot of struggle i feel

[ornate saffron]

fair!

The fused cube is just the middle step to the final cube.

The final cube is on of the most complext items in the game as it is built from every cube before it

[near mural]

nuclear pasta?

[untold zealot]

Huzzah, Phase 3! Jetpack! Oh, motors? Letsee put that into the calculator to get an idea of... how...many...iron.....rods... oh dear.

[near mural]

i might try to do everything in this file it just depends on how things go since the start of this new phase and even parts of last i feel ive been having a bit of a tuff time keeping up with the game

[ornate saffron]

for the nuclear achievment i believe you just need to make a rod. you dont have to power a reactor

[near mural]

jetpack is genuinely game changing also if you do a few alts like steel rotors you can have a neat motor setup

[near mural]

tbh i dont think ill be getting the golden nut without nuclear 😭

idk how much power its gonna take but i assume its gonna be ALOT

[ornate saffron]

nah, a phase 5 part is worth 2.8mil points

[untold zealot]

Yeah I'll frankly just manually craft the dang thing before I put together an entire production line for motors

[near mural]

so it might not be as bad as im thinking?

[ornate saffron]

ive never built nuclear reactors and i got it

[near mural]

hmm i do plan on making a big fuel power plant

[ornate saffron]

i view endgame extreme power is Nitro Rocket fuel OR nuclear. Most players will never need both

[near mural]

i feel like not automating the previous space elavator parts is gonna come back to haunt me but it looks like i need more than i was gonna make anyways

[bleak valley]

CSS publisher sale nice

[ornate saffron]

heck most players can get by with just regular fuel .

But we like big numbers and big power = big numbers lol

[ornate saffron]

I am a dwarf and Im digging a hole.

[bleak valley]

ROCK AND STONE

[hushed totem]

I'm doing ionized fuel And nuclear, because I like big numbers

[near mural]

when i get to huge items like pressure conversion cubes is it reccomended to make both fused modular frames and radio control units in one big factory or bring one in from a big factory making a ton of radio control units to supply the whole world? i feel like itd be easier to make one huge setup for a ton of one specific item but distributing that to every factory that would need it sounds very complicated and annoying

[tall lantern]

it's a shame ionised is a minimal gain (or even a loss) normally over just stopping at rocket fuel

[hushed totem]

Oh that's lame

[ornate saffron]

really depends on what you did prior. If you have built niether and has no excess go for it

[untold zealot]

Well... crud. I sort of expected to be able to hover in the air with the Jetpack while building

[ornate saffron]

thats the hover pack

[untold zealot]

..........oh. Welp, something to look forward to then!

[hushed totem]

Honestly it was funny doing that tbh, because I was making like 5 pasta a minute and just forgot about it so I stockpiled a full industrial (I think that's the name) storage container of it

[ornate saffron]

but on the plus side no Harddrive is out of rech now

[near mural]

is that alot? needing 1000 of it 5/m seems necessary to avoid waiting forever

[hushed totem]

Also, may I suggest making a multi lane sky train network, for distribution purposes, just don't have two trains going into different directions (going into each other) on the same rail, kinda build it like a road

[reef basin]

youi never wait in this game, you do other things

[reef basin]

multi = two
more are kinda pointless 🙂

(and I wouldn't build it in the sky, build on terrain, much more scenic 😛 )

[near mural]

yeah ive only made 2 push pull trains so far since im still figuring out where i wanna do aluminum for now and how i want my train system to be set in my current biggest factory

[spiral summit]

even the golden nut?

[hushed totem]

I mean I think it took up like 40k MW of my power supply, on just the pasta, but it's kinda whatever because eventually you'll get to the requirement, the only difference is how fast you get to it

[reef basin]

kMW GW

[ornate saffron]

you can build some nuclear rods while you wait ^^ work towards that nut ^^

[hazy wren]

Hi is there any family to join in steam because i want really to play satisfactory pls?

[near mural]

golden nut is my general end goal and i hope to do it on this file but we will see

[spiral summit]

buy the game vro

[reef basin]

that would fall under begging for key, which is forbidden in #rules

[near mural]

thats true

[tall lantern]

maybe they're begging for marriage instead...

[hushed totem]

I mean I personally use a multiple lane sky train system because I have a single train for each factory, and building it in the sky avoids the terrain being annoying and getting in your way

[spare prism]

btw family steam is that if your playing the game the other person cant get on

[hushed totem]

Yeah I honestly always forget the power conversion stuff, thanks (not being sarcastic, I've been told I sound sarcastic sometimes whenever I say thanks for stuff)

[reef basin]

point was that trains always pick shortest route so there's no reason to do more than two rails (one for each direction)

[normal orbit]

well if you have, what we refer to as a "shidload" of trains, having two separate pairs to divide traffic between is nice :p

[midnight harness]

yea, it's just every 1kMW its a GW, it takes some time to get used to, but then everyone will understand

[reef basin]

at that point that's two pairs or rails, rather than one route with 4 rails

[reef basin]

kMW is not even a valid unit

[jagged nymph]

i mean technically it is the same as GW but its not the correct way to say it

[spiral summit]

maybe if for some reason you have a downhill train going 400km/h you could give it an express lane to use but thats rly it

[spice patio]

SI system explicitly prohibits anything like that.

[normal orbit]

if ya gonna use the SI-prefixes, use em correctly :p

[spice patio]

Only ever single multiplier prefix

[jagged nymph]

yeah, but if you do say that it would mean the same thing as GW, but like i said, its not correct to say it like that

[midnight harness]

i know but every thousand Megawatts its a Gigawatt

that's what i'm saying

[spiral summit]

maybe i should make like a spiral blueprint where the train climbs up for a while then spirals down so it can not only carry more but outrun a plutonium drone

[hushed totem]

Yeah so what I've done is, my aluminum plant goes to my main base, and I just loop the lane so it's a circle, so it's one lane for one factory (I'm bad at explaining stuff mb if this isn't understandable)

[midnight harness]

it takes a bit of time to get used to it, but after that you just translate in your mind

kinda like another language

[spare prism]

when is my fisit break

[reef basin]

yeah, but you can't use k prefix when the prefix is already M 🙂

[hushed totem]

I used 40k to mean 40,000

[spiral summit]

one whole kilometer-watt

[reef basin]

but you used it in combination with SI unit (and prefix) 🤷

[normal orbit]

kilo-mega-giga-tera-peta-exa-zetta-yotta

[spiral summit]

you know what i should do

[hushed totem]

I mean y'all still understood it, and the game uses MW anyways

[reef basin]

yeah, the game uses correct units, so no reason you shouldn't 😛

[spice patio]

k is the SI prefix for thousands.
M is SI prefix for millions.
You cannot have both at same time.

[spiral summit]

i should build a circular map with a train nonstop travelling at the speed of sound for fun

[midnight harness]

i know, but i didn't want to have to write 1000 or one thousand

[jagged nymph]

alot of people say Xk like 40k or 100k instead of 100000 and the game only shows power in mw so alot of people see 50000mw and just say 50kmw as in 50k mw which is valid, theyre usually not saying (50)(kilomegawatts) but instead (50thousand)(megawatts) because thats how the game represents it

[reef basin]

that's what G is for 😄

[jagged nymph]

so it makes sense that so many people say that, especially if they arent familiar with si prefixes

[normal orbit]

its not valid. 1000 mega = giga

[reef basin]

50000 MW is fine
50 GW is fine
50 kMW or 50k MW is not fine

[spice patio]

So just people in the US?

[spiral summit]

oh crap

turns slow down trains right

[hushed totem]

Yeah I did that, 40k (as in 40,000) MW

[reef basin]

oh I know what you did. I'm just trying to explain that it's not correct to use it that way (and yes, I know people use it wrongly as well)

[ornate saffron]

40 gw

[hushed totem]

And this is my first time hearing about SI prefixes

[spice patio]

And like said, both k and M are SI prefixes, and you can only ever use one at a time.
So if you want to shorten 40000 MW, you go to 40 GW.

[reef basin]

that should be the basic of any physics subject in schools... unless US I guess

[midnight harness]

it's a game that shows everything in MW, some people don't know what comes after the mega, so, as somebody else said, they use the 'k' prefix to symbolize thousand, so they mean 50 thousand million for exanple

[jagged nymph]

i understand but what im saying is that people generaly shorten 50000 to 50k in day to day life, so when to game says "50,000 MW" they shorten it to 50K MW because thats how the game represents it. Maybe they dont even know that the "k" means kilo. Thats just a common way to shoeten thousand and because the game represents it as 50,000 mw, people say 50k mw because maybe they dont even know what mw or gw mean for all they know mw means "monster william"

[hushed totem]

Yeah, I'm American, they don't teach anything until highschool

[reef basin]

people very much do know what comes after mega... as it's same as everywhere else, e.g. PC memory - kB, MB, GB, TB

[spare prism]

is 18.5x just 19 with 19 at 50%?

[normal orbit]

just shows a fundamental misunderstand of what they are. Can choose to live in ignorance, or learn.

[midnight harness]

and in computers it goes every 1024

[reef basin]

that's why I'm trying to teach them 🙂

[reef basin]

see, that's also not true. 1MB = 1000kB
what you're thinking of is 1MiB = 1024kiB

[spice patio]

Those are now with extra i:s.
KiB, MiB, GiB and so on.

[midnight harness]

i already knew about kilo, giga, mega, tera, and all of the prefixes, don't worry

[fleet adder]

so are the assemblers have majic shrinking or something because i was just looking at pipes and stators and a pip is twice the size of a stator

[normal orbit]

for bits, its Kibibit, mebibit, gibbit, tebbit etc

not kilo/mega/giga etc

[spare prism]

oh my the website says lol

[midnight harness]

no, i'm telling you, i have studied it at school as i am in an informatics focused "bachillerato" as it's called here, it's 1024 from kB onwards

[jagged nymph]

remember the inside of the pipe is hollow, so its actually not alot

[fleet adder]

so its depth perception

[midnight harness]

and we are talking about Bytes, not bits

computes start using Bytes from kB onwards because if not it would be an even longer number

[spice patio]

That was, it isn't anymore.
After all the fuckery between 1000-based and 1024-based prefixes.

[spice patio]

And that has been sunset long ago and the official binary prefixes added.

[normal orbit]

it was changed from kilobit to kibibit

cuz they 1024 and not 1000

[midnight harness]

i studied it last year, so unless it changed from december to march, no, they show in Bytes

[reef basin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobyte

The International System of Units (SI) defines the prefix kilo as a multiplication factor of 1000 (10^3); therefore, one kilobyte is 1000 bytes.[1] The internationally recommended unit symbol for the kilobyte is kB.[1]

[spice patio]

That your school still hasn't updated is bad then...

[midnight harness]

byte, not bit

[jagged nymph]

then whatever material you were taught from is incorrect/not updated

[coral marsh]

I would say yes

[reef basin]

same for bit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit#Multiple_bits

[spare prism]

yea i just hovered over the website orange stufff and it said lol

[normal orbit]

was changed in like late 1990s, your school might not been uptodate lol

[spice patio]

As they were officially added in 1999 IEC standard.

[midnight harness]

Computer storage is primarily measured in bytes (B), with units scaling by powers of 10 or 2 (e.g., KB, MB, GB, TB) to quantify capacity. The smallest unit is a bit (0 or 1), while 8 bits make 1 byte. Common usage includes TB/GB for hard drives, GB/MB for RAM, and MB/KB for files. Synonyms/binary units include Kibibyte (KiB), Mebibyte (MiB), Gibibyte (GiB), and Tebibyte (TiB).

google result

[reef basin]

schools are known to not be up-to-date especially with something as fast changing as tech

[reef basin]

I would trust sourced wikipedia article over any google result

[spice patio]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix

[jagged nymph]

what website is that from, because its wrong

[midnight harness]

IBM

[jagged nymph]

from when

[midnight harness]

2024-12-12

[spice patio]

Includes the history of using SI prefixes for 2^X0:s, and why that was wrong and why it had to be changed once HDD makers started to fuck around.

[normal orbit]

if its ibm, prob 1980s

[jagged nymph]

then idk what theyre on cause they are wrong

[midnight harness]

or yall are wrong or outdated

you can use kibibits to measure binary

but storage is measured in kilobytes

[jagged nymph]

ah yes because were outdated for using the standard that has existed since 1999 until now and you arent for using one before that

[jagged nymph]

thats not how that works

[spice patio]

And all the storage makers use 1000-based numbers.

[real shale]

What is going on here

[jagged nymph]

it can be measured using either one

[spice patio]

As marketing fuckup to lie about the amount of storage you get, when it was started.

[midnight harness]

they use 1024 based storage, that's why they can say you have 1000MB and not transform it to GB

[spice patio]

And for example Windows still hasn't moved to right prefixes, Windows uses SI prefixes for binary prefixes still.

[midnight harness]

and that's why if you look at your storage it says GB or MB not GiB or MiB

[reef basin]

so everyone including wikipedia is wrong, and you're the only one right?

[spice patio]

Linux has mostly moved over, not sure about Apple.
Storage makers use SI-prefixes as SI-prefixes, so 1KB is 1000B, not 1024B for them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#History

[midnight harness]

i am not saying im right, im saying there are at least 20 sources that say you measure in Bytes

[reef basin]

and you trust random websites over community-updated and sourced wikipedia?

[jagged nymph]

what does measuring in bytes have to do with anything

[spice patio]

Because it is complete mess right now, as so many haven't moved on and SI versions are still used randomly for the binary prefix versions.
And in some other places not.

[jagged nymph]

were saying 1KB = 1000 bytes. 1KiB = 1024 bytes

[spice patio]

So currently if you see GB, you cannot know if it is actually 1 000 000 000 bytes or 1 073 741 824 bytes, or in some cases somewhere in between, when some changes were 1000-based and some were 1024 based...

With GiB you know it is 1 073 741 824 bytes.

[midnight harness]

Visión general creada por IA
Computer storage is primarily measured in
bytes, with common units including kilobytes (KB), megabytes (MB), gigabytes (GB), and terabytes (TB). These units are used to quantify the capacity of storage devices such as hard disk drives (HDDs), solid-state drives (SSDs), USB drives, and memory cards.

wikipedia

[spice patio]

But with GB you have to check, because the legacy still lives on.

[spice patio]

And like I said, if you read the small print on any SSD, HDD, memory stick etc. package, you will find that they are with SI prefixes and 1000 bytes to kilobyte.

Not 1024.

So GB is right for them, but you get 1 000 000 000 bytes per gigabyte.

[normal orbit]

and they dont tell you how much you lose on formatting to a filesystem -_-

[spice patio]

And that was the whole reason why the actual binary prefix standard was created, after storage makers broke the old convention that in computer space, the SI prefixes actually meant binary amounts.

[midnight harness]

both are right according to wikipedia

both can be used to measureone is more accuratye

[spice patio]

That is from that difference between 1000-based and binary based prefixes.
The amount you lose to formatting is tiny.

[midnight harness]

but both are used and are accepted

[spice patio]

And one is legacy and should be avoided, one is correct.
When talking about 2-based amounts, not 10-based amounts.

[normal orbit]

idk, diffrence between Tb and TiB is 10%?

[spice patio]

And faster people move over, and GB etc. stop being ambiguous, the better.

[midnight harness]

the IEC standardized the binary prefices (1024) but you can still use the metric system to masure radio and small amounts of data

[spice patio]

You can use the SI prefixes with data, but that means you are supposed to use 10-based steps, not 2-based.

Like I said multiple times, GB is valid, but it means 1 000 000 000 bytes.

[midnight harness]

the most normal used even in calculating networks is the 1024

[spice patio]

And if you want 2-based, to shorten 1 073 741 824 bytes, you need to use GiB.

[midnight harness]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Units_of_information

here is my source

[spice patio]

That the legacy use exists doesn't make it right to continue using ambiguous language.

[midnight harness]

yea, but the 1024 still is used as a completely understandable standard

[real shale]

[reef basin]

same page, shows exactly what we're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Units_of_information#Multiplicative_prefixes

[spice patio]

Point is, currently when you see GB, you cannot know what the amount actually is, unless you check the amount of bytes/bits.
It is ambiguous because people still use it with the legacy use, and that is just bad.

[normal orbit]

huh yea it is, about 9.1% less data than what you technically pay for

[reef basin]

you can measure in both, but the amount you'll end up with would be different in both cases

[spice patio]

Like I said, the small print specifies that you are getting GB:s and TB:s, not GiB:s and TiB:s.

[reef basin]

that's like measuring in km vs in miles
both are valid

[midnight harness]

go a little higher, as it says explicitly that both are accepted

[reef basin]

yes we know

but that's not our point

[spice patio]

And using the old legacy is ambiguous and bad.
And should be stopped.

[midnight harness]

what is then?

[normal orbit]

isnt that kinda false adverting in a sense. if i pay for a 2TB drive, i am getting a 2TiB drive and can only use 1.81TB

[reef basin]

#satisfactory message

[midnight harness]

yep, but technically you ARE getting a 2Tb drive

[spice patio]

2TB... not 256GB...

[normal orbit]

i'm technically not tho

[spice patio]

And that is the whole point why we need to move away from using SI prefixes for binary.
Because storage makers broke the old convention and made using SI prefixes with binary ambiguous.

[normal orbit]

they're selling me a 2TB drive, i get a 1.8TB

[spice patio]

No, you get 2TB, but that is 1.8TiB.

[midnight harness]

they are hiding the 'i' but you are technically getting 2 TB

[reef basin]

basically it's the same as measuring e.g. in kilometers vs miles. Both are valid, but you can't say that 1mile is 1km

[midnight harness]

other way around

[midnight harness]

yep

[spice patio]

They are explicitly using SI prefixes, with 10-based.

[midnight harness]

1 mile is i think 1.3 or sum like that

[normal orbit]

no its reported at 1.81TB not TiB

[reef basin]

so 1GB = 1000MB and 1GiB = 1024MiB

[normal orbit]

the drive is 2TiB, but sold as 2TB

[spice patio]

They say 2TB, they mean 2TB, not 2TiB.