satisfactory

[green fiber]

Its co-op factory building until your friend commits unacceptable factory spaghetti crimes that require punishment

[glacial drum]

Hmm

[green fiber]

then its pvp enabled

[glacial drum]

Should I build 40 assemblers at 250% or should I build 100 at 100%

Hmm.. I can spare the 500 extra MW

[real shale]

you should build 1000 at 10%

[leaden turret]

presuambly unacceptable factory spaghetti crimes is the act of not building your factory according to the spaghetti dogma

[molten vessel]

Wait, do I need to recharge or repair my taser thing?

[inner ruin]

it will break after a bit so u make another

in that workshop thing

[glacial drum]

Mine never broke, odd.

[real shale]

also
#screenshots message

finally i have them automated, we going nuclear woohoo

[molten vessel]

Oh, well dang

[inner ruin]

wait i thought it broke?

[inner ruin]

disregard

[green fiber]

it doesnt break its just weak and pathetic

[inner ruin]

like me

[molten vessel]

It degrades then?

[green fiber]

also no

it doesnt change and doesnt break and doesnt have batteries to charge

[inner ruin]

do you know how long it takes to break the coal thing so i can put a miner on it? i got like 5 stacks of coal now and its still not broken

[green fiber]

varies

[leaden turret]

🤷‍♂️

mcgalleon knows what I mean though.

[molten vessel]

Then what is the bar?

[inner ruin]

this one is a normal

[green fiber]

what bar

[leaden turret]

are you accidentally mining the node itself?

[glacial drum]

Just place the miner on.

[inner ruin]

dude

[glacial drum]

That is the node. Unless you mean there’s a cracked boulder on it?

[inner ruin]

yes there is

[glacial drum]

You have to explode that with nobelisks

[inner ruin]

is that on all the coal nodes?

[green fiber]

giant boulders cant be broken by hand

[real shale]

taking a chisel to a boulder, that takes commitment

[glacial drum]

They can be researched in the sulfur MAM tree.

[green fiber]

and only some nodes have those

[glacial drum]

It’s on random nodes through the map. And some entrances to caves

[inner ruin]

ill find a different node

[marsh vale]

thx

[molten vessel]

DMing you a screenshot

[green fiber]

#screenshots instead

[molten vessel]

Sure

[green fiber]

no need to DM me

those are your hand slots

[molten vessel]

#screenshots message

[glacial drum]

That’s your slot

[green fiber]

you can hold 2 things in your hands right now

[molten vessel]

Ah, so it’s at half because of my two slots?

[green fiber]

it shows you the active slot

[glacial drum]

You can hold 2 things at the start of the game. The bar will shrink as you get more

Iirc

[molten vessel]

Got it, looked a lot like a degradation bar

[glacial drum]

Yea I thought the same for a good 10 hours at the start

[real shale]

most important thing to always have on your hands is the mug, its vital to finish the game /jk

[glacial drum]

If I build all 100 machines it’ll take 3 floors. If I build just 40 machines it’ll take 2< whole floors

I feel at that rate it’s better to just build all 100 honestly.

That or I can do 200% instead of 250% and build 50 taking 2 floors

[real shale]

#screenshots message did not know i could slide under conveyor belts on the floor

[glacial drum]

At a rate of 200% I’d only be using 375 extra MW to be able to skip building a floor

However considering this is to be able to build a TW of power storage I feel I should conserve the most power I can

[molten vessel]

If I upgraded the hub, then disassemble it to move, do I need to upgrade again?

[glacial drum]

No.

Honestly don’t ever full commit you’ll find a lot of spots you may want to base at.

[old urchin]

huh? so, I build the thing I wanted to, and one of the death crates, somehow, teleported to a place where I builded. how?

[molten vessel]

I’ve been hunting for a new spot, found one but I had kept my hub next to a crashed pod I wanted to power until I got the ability to power it.

Now I’m moving base

[tall lantern]

can always just place down temporary power to power pods. Either Biomass or the APM from the MAM

[spiral summit]

is it possible to clip train stations somehow

i thought blueprints would work 💔

[swift turret]

wdym clip them?

[mystic oriole]

Blueprints work, got to nudge them just right

[real shale]

time to produce 5 nukes/min

[gentle lava]

bro do I get a powerpole mark2 cause the powerpoles hold 4 lines is getting so annoying

i would send a ss but i cant

[molten vessel]

Is there a way to pass the night faster?

[mystic oriole]

yes you should get m2 poles

[coral marsh]

Go unlock mk2 then mk3

[mystic oriole]

not without mods

[molten vessel]

Dagnabbit

[gentle lava]

when do i unloc them?

[coral marsh]

MAM research, caterium tree

[mystic oriole]

Day/night cycle has a purpose, it regrows pre-biomass.

[gentle lava]

Kk ty

[coral marsh]

All good

[molten vessel]

Sure, but I fear!

[mystic oriole]

same, been there since the darkness of ARK. It gets really dark at night sometimes. But if you're at your base nothing's going to spawn.

[molten vessel]

Also, thanks for answering a question I’ve been pondering on whether plants were regrowing, XD

[lapis marsh]

Just completed the game… time to start all over again

[molten vessel]

…I’ve been ambushed by hogs while in my base though? Like, after spending a while in my base, a hog attacked me 15 minutes in

[near mural]

how many hours?

[lapis marsh]

334

[molten vessel]

Once I get all the achievements, I’m gonna look into mods

[mystic oriole]

That could happen after an update. Not usually.
But mobs don't usually respawn near powered bases.

[near mural]

im on tier 7 54 hours in

i feel like ive got a long way to go still

[molten vessel]

Ah, powered is the important bit?

I just have a hub really…

[mystic oriole]

That does answer that one

[mystic oriole]

BTW my son loves Terraria, we have regular Terraria nights.

[lapis marsh]

You just gotta work at your own speed. I definitely had a bit of burn out on phase 5 so I took a little break

[molten vessel]

The big update recently added achievements, I’m not 100% anymore, nuooooo!

[lapis marsh]

Then locked in like it was my 9 to 5

[gentle lava]

should i use my blue power slug i found for MAM research?

[mystic oriole]

This game is like a second job sometimes. But I like it so much more than my 9-5

[spiral summit]

do you need to place certain things in the blueprint to get it to work?

[tall lantern]

they don't regrow, if you cut something it stays down

[molten vessel]

But foliage does?

[tall lantern]

nope

[molten vessel]

Then what was he saying about biomass?

[mystic oriole]

Mostly the nudging, and distance, make sure you have an entrance and exit where you want them.

[near mural]

yeah ive only just now started decorating since i got hoverpack and im thinking of rebuilding some of my factories to all be near my current big one

[tall lantern]

the only things that regrow are berries/nuts on plants. but the plants themselves wouldn't regrow if cut down

[tall lantern]

no idea, that's why I corrected it lol

[molten vessel]

Then does that mean you can eventually run out of biomass, if that stuff doesn’t regrow?

[spiral summit]

what

[mystic oriole]

things do regrow, as long as there's a distance from powered building/foundations.

[tall lantern]

correct, though you'll move off your plant dependency very quickly

[gentle lava]

should i use my blue power slug i found for MAM research?

[spiral summit]

im trying to clip two stations into each others hitbox

[tall lantern]

very much [citation needed]

[covert quarry]

i have a question, how do yall manage to build ramps for trains without the ramps affecting the train in terms of speed and coming to a complete stop

[molten vessel]

I think you need to use the first one for it to gain the ability to do anything else with them?

[tall lantern]

use 2m-high ramps, not 4m one

[gentle lava]

oh k

[spiral summit]

because that side truss looks really annoying and would be perfect if you could just nudge it so you can have two adjacent platforms

ie have 2 freight platforms sharing one "support"

[lapis marsh]

I’m gonna try to decorate in my second playthrough, all my factories are on big flat foundations😂

[mystic oriole]

Hang on, when the hell did that become a thing? I'm checking the patch notes. Because I swear, I've cut down the same area over and over in previous patches.

[near mural]

thats how i was then i went back and started to spice up my phase 2 factory and like it so much im thinking abt staying here for a while longer instead of leaving grass fields asap like i was planning to before

[tall lantern]

other way around, when do you think they started regrowing 😅

the only times it happened were when the world changed and things got reset, which also affected other collectibles

[weak bloom]

Might be confusing it with creature respawning? I think if you kill a creature and build something there it won't respawn at the exact same spot because they won't spawn near active facilities. But afaik not true for foliage

[mystic oriole]

I remember that the collectables being an issue.

[tall lantern]

yeah, creatures definitely respawn away from factories

[molten vessel]

I feel like foliage should, tbh

[mystic oriole]

I'm testing this thing out this weekend, I remember folliage regrowing

[tall lantern]

if you didn't cut down the nearby trees, yeah I could definitely see an argument for letting foliage respawn. But since forever it's not been a thing

[weak bloom]

It would actually be hilarious if someone managed to soft lock themselves by razing the entire world without building coal power

[tall lantern]

luckily you can handcraft your way out

[weak bloom]

You still can't start the coal generators though right? Or the water extractors

No way to hand feed water

[tall lantern]

alien bodies -> biomass -> temp burner

[weak bloom]

Ahhh ok so it's impossible to softlock out of biomass that's good lol

[tall lantern]

I mean, if you did it you 100% deserve it

[weak bloom]

Tbh I'd give them a special achievement for somehow managing it

[mystic oriole]

Sounds like something I'd do

since I want to skip coal and oil

[weak bloom]

Wh-

That's certainly a challenge run, jeez

Biomass to nuclear? Insane lmao

[unkempt blade]

you should skip biomass too

[mystic oriole]

I did allow myself to use APA's though

[mystic oriole]

lol

That would be a thing too.

[unkempt blade]

raid crash sites => geothermal => ride the power wave

[mystic oriole]

Technically would work that way too.

lots of handcrafting

[near mural]

ive only got one train i need coming into my main factory rn but later i think ill need more if im bringing in 2 diffrent resources on diffrent trains should i setup diffrent stations and platforms for each one? i thought a smart splitter might work but i also heard its good to have buffers on trains so im unsure

[tall lantern]

usually easier to just have multiple stations

but buffer and smart splitter aren't mutually exclusive

[near mural]

thank you
i could probably do a buffer with smart splitters but it seems like a bit more logistics to deal with

[dense temple]

so, the thing where when you look through glass conveyor holes in splitters and building turn into black holes.... iis that a game setting i can fix or a known issue? cuz ii remember it being a thhing for a very long time

[gentle lava]

dude i hate this early game biomass power bro

[covert quarry]

does anyone know why freight platforms wont take any product? they are connected to power and upon connecting belts, they stop after like 10 s

[tall lantern]

it doesn't last for long, power through

[gentle lava]

is tier 3 coal power????]

[deft drum]

In my experience keeping it "1 station loop 1 train" is a good call

You xan ship multiple items on one train in, just make sure they won't interfere with each other (aka, separate cars separately resources)

[dense temple]

yep

[gentle lava]

gotta lock in

[dense temple]

or 4, but they unlock at the same time

[deft drum]

Go drop pod hunting and bring back 50 RIP and Rotors. Then you can just put them in an assembler that goes into the space elevator.

[covert quarry]

does anyone know why freight platforms wont take any product? they are connected to power and upon connecting belts, they stop after like 10 s

[gentle lava]

Will do i need to go out adventuring for leafs anyways

[deft drum]

Are the platforms themselves full? Also When a train shows up stations cease loading or unloading

Gotta have the inputs and outputs go into a industrial storage

That is fed/feeds into the station with both belts

[covert quarry]

no they fill up then stop all of a sudden, removing them and placing them again doesnt seem to work

[normal orbit]

They stop when full and when a train loads/unloads

[covert quarry]

they are still emtpy it happens after i place the freight platforms

[drowsy kelp]

Does it have power

[normal orbit]

You connecting to the right port?

[covert quarry]

yeah

yes

i'm assuming it has to be a glitch, cz other stations work

[normal orbit]

Is the terminal set to load?

[wild hollow]

Anyone know why my pipeline MK. 1 is spinning and not receiving fuel? It's the segment in a manifold pipeline that goes from the first junction to the second where it starts. It contains Heavy Oil Residue. The first junction works just fine.

[tall lantern]

sounds like the pipe's not connected

[covert quarry]

yeah

i found the solution, appreciate the help

[wild hollow]

I've reattached it like 15 times

[tall lantern]

can't just leave us hanging

[slender minnow]

anyone able to help me realize why my train says it cant follow its path?

[hallow mica]

Im new to this i have like a 40 hour world and just got to tier 3 and unlocked oil production, and idk if i should make rubber and plastic first or electrcity?

[near mural]

istg making a good looking railway bp is the hardest thing ive done so far and im not even joking

[normal orbit]

Prob cuz signals are opposing the direction of the train

[slender minnow]

turbofuel

[slender minnow]

its a one way track

[covert quarry]

so basically thetrain picks up caterium from 1 station then goes to a second location to pick up some more, so at the 2nd location i need 2 leave 4 spaces open between the train station and freight platform so that the train can fill up but that space is what somehow causes my freight platforms not to receive any product, so i js placed down more freight platforms to fix it

[normal orbit]

Is it signaled?

[slender minnow]

no justa connection from one stop to the other

[hallow mica]

@slender minnow ok is there any alternate recepies i should use for this?

[normal orbit]

Then station is wrong way

[slender minnow]

first do sulfer and caterium research

[slender minnow]

ill see if i cant fix that, ty

[hallow mica]

@slender minnow alright thanks

[night lotus]

how on earth do i fix this "signal loops into itself" 😭🙏

[normal orbit]

Easiest way is to move signal away from split

[night lotus]

i tried and its still lowk just not working

[normal orbit]

Grab a signal so you see colors then post a screenshot

[night lotus]

i dont have image perms

but its all the same colour idk

[normal orbit]

#1038092680493801533 or #screenshots

[night lotus]

ohhh okok

i put in ss

im stood on like the signals too

[normal orbit]

Looks like they don't attach to the rails

OH I see it

Your tracks are too close

You need to space em apart more

[night lotus]

is that acc my problem LMAO

okok lemme try ty

[normal orbit]

Center of track on each edge of a foundation is min distance

Anything less causes issue

[inner ruin]

does anyone elses audio get jumpy on here

its getting like.. buffering

[night lotus]

yeah this immediately fixed it

now i gotta redo all my track </3

but tysm

[near mural]

does anyone know why my factory cart is evil and glowing red

[hybrid nymph]

Hey guys, played for 8 hours last night and got some good stuff done, at 175 hours in this save

I fixed coal 1, coal 2, and oil. Now I need to fix aluminum

And quartz

And I just figured out with my expanded turbo fuel production, I can set up 26 fuel generators

And produce 16,250 MW

[near mural]

chat i think my factory cart is dangerous and plans to kill me

[hybrid nymph]

The factory cart pops wheelies of course it's dangerous lol

[near mural]

is there a reason there isnt any voice channels

[inner ruin]

As stated by Ficsyt, all Pioneer's are responsible for their own health and safety. Ficsyt is not responsible for Pioneer injuries or loss of life.

[brave hearth]

i have a question pre 1.0 I was in the desert when I saw and killed a hog wearing a jet back and it dropped a free jet pack and all this was pre phase 2 and i got a jet pack with 1 fuel did anyone else find it

[tall lantern]

it's random, low odds

[hybrid nymph]

Oh that's Johnny the Jetpack Hog. Super rare find. I found him once on my first save in 2023

Be honest, do I really need a nuclear reactor? Especially when the fuel generators work just fine?

[lavish flame]

i have genuinely spent like 10 hours on a single factory that makes like 20 encased steel beams just cause i want it to look good and i'm horrible at building 😭

[calm trout]

meh... I hate it that google removed the old TTS voices... I wanted to make some custom ADA lines and didn't know they removed the old voices

[slender minnow]

just made my 1st ever actual manifold line

[tall lantern]

looks like they're still around, just maybe harder to find

[weak bloom]

oh rocket fuel is a GAS?

[inner ruin]

wait does a powerline only transfer a max of 75w?

[real shale]

No

[tall lantern]

power lines have no limit

[brave hearth]

honestly i just wish there was stuff like foundation with a hole that SNAPS to ore, or maybe just a cat walk with a hole for ladders for decoration and ladders

[real shale]

Power lines have magic wires, they can carry an unlimited another of power

[inner ruin]

oh is the 75mw my coal plant?

[tall lantern]

well, a single gen probably

[real shale]

Dont worry, I tried asking FICSIT engineers what kind of material they are using to allow all those GW through a single wire, they said it was classified and wiped my memory afterwards

[real shale]

Probably

[inner ruin]

fixsyt technology is proprietrary.

[real shale]

I refuse to believe it's just copper and insulation in those wires, as an electrical engineer, there must be some secret magic ingredients to them

[inner ruin]

Another one suspects the truth. lets do the same as what we did to all the rest. wipe the memory and send them off to some planet to get resources

oops wrong chat

[calm trout]

yeah but not free, that's the thing

[hybrid nymph]

No it's unlimited

[tall lantern]

Free usage limit
0 to 4 million characters

though their main TTS page says only the first million characters for WaveNet voices, confusing but still probably more than you need

[hybrid nymph]

I would get the vanilla upgrades mod to increase the base clock speed of your generators to 150MW, then overclock them to produce 375 MW each

[tall lantern]

I would not get any mods

[calm trout]

Ye, but not possible for people like us who don't have a credit card to register for Google Cloud :/ it requires a credit card

[tall lantern]

ah, unfortunate

[hybrid nymph]

What's wrong with mods? Mods are fine

[brave hearth]

anyone

[tall lantern]

why jump immediately to mods when they've barely scratched the surface of the base game

to me, modding is very much a thing to consider only once you've actually experienced the game as-is first, and not something I'd recommend to a new player at all

[hybrid nymph]

Oh yeah good point ☝️
I would recommend playing at least until tier 8 on vanilla before you use mods, so you can get the hang of the game

I just use simple mods

Stuff that doesn't take away from the base game

[tall lantern]

we already had the balance discussion on those though IIRC 😛

[hybrid nymph]

For example: gasoline chainsaw, glass fluid buffers, vanilla upgrades, better power storage, more elevator buttons, bigger clip size for the rifle, more inventory slots, craftable balanced power shards, awesome sink points x100, and awesome artifacts

I need to start making nuclear pasta and then awesome sinking it

[reef basin]

glass fluid buffers
ah yeah, upgrade the building that you shouldn't ever use 😛

[tall lantern]

there's no question there, what response are you expecting

[brave hearth]

i meant to reply to something else

[calm trout]

to what did you mean to reply then?

[brave hearth]

this

[tall lantern]

there's no question there, what response are you expecting

[calm trout]

exactly, that's why I was asking what he instead meant

[brave hearth]

i just wanted to know if people liked it on discord before posting it as an official suggestion

[inner ruin]

lmao i just killed that massive dino with a bird face looking thing and the ai said "and they say nature is cruel" 🤣

[real shale]

YOU KILLED BEAN???

[inner ruin]

its called a bean?

[tall lantern]

that's the short name

[real shale]

I cannot believe you killed bean

[inner ruin]

i killed like 4 of them now

[reef basin]

not officially

[calm trout]

well bean is the short name, actually its an Space Giraffe-Tick-Penguin-Whale Thing

[normal orbit]

You should jump on top of a bean

[dense temple]

dude wtf?!

[inner ruin]

am i not supposed to?

[dense temple]

no

[hybrid nymph]

What's wrong with fluid buffers?

[inner ruin]

oh

[hearty flame]

they can die?

[tall lantern]

if you whack it enough yes

[inner ruin]

zap it like 20 times

[calm trout]

they're very tanky

[reef basin]

that the only place where they have a reasonable use is buffering fluid train platforms

anywhere else they either do nothing, or add issues to your pipe network

[topaz shale]

If they get stuck in my factory and I no longer wish them to be there, I just wack the beans to death. Callous but they would have starved!

[hybrid nymph]

The space giraffe 🦒

[inner ruin]

yeah taht

[real shale]

Bean conservation is important

[calm trout]

They are our factory inspectors!

[brave hearth]

it took me 50 nukes

[inner ruin]

i also killed a lizard doggo

[topaz shale]

Been doing some illegal belt clipping soooooo...

[hybrid nymph]

I get that, they do get in the way very often. I have killed a few before especially when they get glitched and stuck in the factory

[normal orbit]

#1 cause of fluid flow issues. They mostly pointless aside buffering train depots. And they as likely to flow in either direction unless you add a powered pump on each side in attempt to flow direct it.

[real shale]

#2 cause, the #1 cause is the pioneer itself :P

[normal orbit]

I concede, the pioneer placed it to begin with

[tall lantern]

nah #1 is trying to do a full 600/min without building for it

[hybrid nymph]

I use fluid buffers, If I am producing extra I want to keep it for later

[topaz shale]

Yeah always a good idea to have the fluid machines buffer first before running to help prevent some issues. Assuming it was built correctly in the first place.

[real shale]

So, the pioneers decisions

[reef basin]

sure, but not with actual fluid buffers

[topaz shale]

For sure

[hybrid nymph]

I wish we could get MK3 pipes. Are the devs telling the truth or are they lying that they would be too difficult to implement?

[reef basin]

people can't even use mk2 pipes 😄

[brave hearth]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q5uNtkv-5rc your dead man

[topaz shale]

I hardly ever really need to use actual buffers when using fluids though I don't really build that big, tbh.

[real shale]

I can't wait to see equally as many issues raised in #1038092680493801533 with MK3 pipes as with MK2 pipes

[normal orbit]

People can't do MK1 and MK2 even less. MK3 would ruin people

[brave hearth]

IM GIVING YOUR SOUL TO THE BALL WIZARD FOR TORTURE

[hybrid nymph]

What's so hard about pipes? I figured them out relatively quickly

[inner ruin]

what soul?

[storm hull]

do you guys think Satisfactory will go on a cheaper than 30% or is it better to buy it now?

[brave hearth]

wot

[tall lantern]

fluid simulation is wacky, so max flow is hard

[normal orbit]

Nothing, but there's like 10 pipe questions a day

[reef basin]

given fluid is implemented in liters, we're getting closer to engine limitations with the amount of stuff being moved and such. I mean you can always work around stuff and implement a different system, but in practice there's a limit of what is reasonable (in terms of effort needed to program such system vs how good it will be), and I think that is the border we're hitting

[hybrid nymph]

I bought it on Eneba for $27

[reef basin]

better to buy with full price to give more money to devs

[real shale]

The problem isn't even the flow rate limit of MK2 pipes it's the pioneers trying to do literal gymnastics with pipes

[topaz shale]

Another good way to use pipes is to have them be placed above the inputs of machines and have gravity pull down the rest. Really helps.

[storm hull]

i wish, sadly its 100 here

[storm hull]

can only buy it with gift card only no card yet

[normal orbit]

Liters? It's cubic meters

[reef basin]

internally the game is implemented in liters

[topaz shale]

Oh that's very interesting

I love learning about how games are made and how they work internally.

[normal orbit]

Really? So it's doing 600.000 in a MK2 pipe?

[reef basin]

yeah

[hybrid nymph]

I think he meant to say cubic meters

[reef basin]

no

[normal orbit]

Huh

[hybrid nymph]

It's cubic meters 600^3 m per Mk2 pipe

[reef basin]

read the last few messages again

[hybrid nymph]

I've always known that the game was in cubic meters

[reef basin]

internally

[normal orbit]

Got a source on that? Am curious

[reef basin]

the game engine counts stuff in liters

[tall lantern]

presumably the same way that the game coordinates are internally cm, but most stuff's done in metres

[hybrid nymph]

The wiki would say otherwise

[reef basin]

yeah, f.e. the game export in [game files]/CommunityResources/Docs exports stuff from UE blueprints and it's in liters

[reef basin]

the wiki doesn't need to present internal game workings to players

(and it does say it anyway 😛 )
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Units#Fluid_volume

Internally, liters are used instead, and to the player, 0.01 m3 is the smallest amount of fluid displayed (= 10 liters).

[hybrid nymph]

Well I'm used to using cubic meters. And I'm going to continue using it. You can use liters if you want. I've always known it as cubic meters.

[reef basin]

I haven't said anything about having to use liters tho?

I was just replying to your question about why devs are saying that mk3 are not possible

[real shale]

"The duration of one day in Satisfactory is 50 minutes, consisting of a 45-min daytime and 5-min nighttime."

Huh, at those proportions any wonder the pioneer probably barely sleeps

[tall lantern]

you can sleep when you've Saved the Day

[hearty flame]

5 mins night is crazy

[real shale]

Pioneers circadian rhythm must be off the hooks, any wonder they sent them to Massage

[hybrid nymph]

Huh never thought of that. No wonder the pioneer barely sleeps.

[real shale]

Admittedly, I wish I could adjust those lengths, night time lighting gives for some nice vibes

[tall lantern]

I do like the aurora at night

[inner ruin]

icl this world is making earth look so shit 🤣

[dense temple]

lol earth is beautifull, we just satisfactoried it

[inner ruin]

is there a way to like.. limit how much stuff can come out of a storage

[jagged nymph]

No

[dense temple]

yes

[inner ruin]

daaamn

[dense temple]

depends in whhat way you mean limit

[jagged nymph]

You can limit the rate but not gow much total

[inner ruin]

i dont want everything which is inside to go out

[dense temple]

then no

[tall lantern]

the easiest way is to not put them all in there in the first place

[inner ruin]

damn. thumbs down on steam /j

[dense temple]

sometimes i wish there was something similar to redstone in the game

in terms of item sorting or whatever

[jagged nymph]

Oohh a programmable spliiter instead being used with like logic gates and sensors to decide when stuff goes iut of each output

[tall lantern]

we've got smart/programmable splitters, that's plenty

[shrewd palm]

a smart splitter is really all you need

sometimes a programmable splitter is better but rarely

[jagged nymph]

Yeah

[elfin smelt]

ppl want logic gates in every sandbox as an excuse to build a computer inside it

[dense temple]

exactly

would take some of the fun out thats in now, but would add more fun for certain people

[tall lantern]

people already did some work on belt-based logic gates a while back lol

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1278343388814639184

[dense temple]

youtube: I made a SUPERCOMPUTER that runs on SUPERCOMPUTERS: Satisfactory Ep. 2305

[lavish flame]

hey i might be very stupid but could someone explain the power switch to me? i read the wiki and it didn't help a lot so i thought i'd ask here instead of watching a video

[tall lantern]

it's a fancy power cable that you can turn on and off instead of dismantling

[shrewd palm]

connection point A is where power goes IN. connection point B is where power goes OUT. flipping the switch will make it so that power cant flow between the 2 networks

[lavish flame]

right this genuinely helped more than the wiki

[lavish flame]

so did this 😭

thank you guys!

[shrewd palm]

although because it stops flow between them and it can go both ways i suppose it doesnt matter which spot you connect your power too

[tall lantern]

yeah it's just two separate grids, turn the switch on, boom they're connected. literally a toggleable power cable

[lavish flame]

awesome, thanks guys 🙏

[simple pebble]

Yeah they confused me, too.

Main benefits are temporarily shutting a wedding whole factory off if you need to conserve power, or seeing how much a factory uses by itself.

In either case, that factory cab only be connected to your grid through the power switch to do either of those

[tall lantern]

a wedding factory eh

[hybrid nymph]

Wow we just passed 250,000 members

Awesome 😎

[hearty flame]

nice

[deft drum]

Big advantage of switches is it lets you cold start your power

[simple pebble]

Lmao that's swipe trolling for you

[lavish flame]

btw, is it fine to just have all my power on one big grid, that i've now separated using the power switches at each factory?

[warm finch]

yes. use priority power switches if you haven't.

[deft drum]

YMMV

[real shale]

But you can already build a computer in satisfactory

[elfin smelt]

it's only a computer in name

[inner ruin]

oh no...

[elfin smelt]

it doesn't compute

[inner ruin]

i can see the waterfall load in as i walk down the hill 😭

[real shale]

Okay, fine, you can build a SUPERcomputer

[elfin smelt]

ALSO a computer that doesn't compute

[dense temple]

we want computers that COMPUTE

[lavish flame]

i'm assuming it works like a power switch but will shut off specific smaller grids in case of power issues instead of the entire grid?

[real shale]

Okay, fine, you can build a neural quantum processor

[dense temple]

although to an extent a manifold is a binary counter right? if splitters work the way they do in my head...

[warm finch]

correct, you can also control priority switches from any other priority switch. it's VERY handy.

[tall lantern]

pretty much yeah, it'll disconnect in priority order

[lavish flame]

oh alright! thanks!

[warm finch]

That's the main reason I use priority switches, I can access ALL my priority switches from any priority switch I happen to be at.

[real shale]

There are some caveats, mind you, the priority assumes everything is all in the same grid, if you have islands the priority is not as listed

Which can do some.....weird things at times

[deft drum]

Finding the load bearing power pole that has over a Terrawatt of electricity going through it is always funny

People like to joke about that but I half wonder if "Cables" are just room temprature superconductors

[real shale]

Even if they were superconductors, the heat would ruin their superconductivity

Like, the amount of power that could go through that single pole is enough to be as hot as a star and still not break

[deft drum]

Pocket dimensions come standard so any sufficiently advanced magic or something

[real shale]

I find it hilarious that it's just copper in those cables

(even though copper is rarely used nowadays :P)

But I guess aluminium power lines would have been too much

[slender minnow]

i now went from one manifold line, to SEVEN manifold lines, these things are amazing

[jagged nymph]

Mk4 power line perhaps?

Aluminium

[slender minnow]

THERE ARE MK 4?

[real shale]

No

[jagged nymph]

No, im saying if there was a mk4 it could use aluminumukunum

[real shale]

It's just a reference to the fact that most power lines are aluminium rather than copper these days

[slender minnow]

oh, mb, i got scared for my power system

time to actually get to aluminum productio- wait, i need more turbofuel

[molten vessel]

I just learned that Mr Rogers was my 9th Cousin Twice Removed, so that’s cool.

[deft drum]

Devs pls give aluminum cable alt recipie

[unkempt blade]

you're basically a celebrity now!

[molten vessel]

Talk Shows, gimme a call!

[unkempt blade]

I sat near Bob Ross at a Denny's so I can cover the second half of the episode

[warm finch]

how do you automatically connect pipes when using a blueprint?

[real shale]

Change the build mode to auto connect

And it should show like chain icons when you've done it

[warm finch]

NICE. TIL thank you.

that's what I love about this game, 1400+ hours in and STILL learning new stuff

[jagged nymph]

I mean that is a pretty new feature

[warm finch]

I'm still learning the ins and outs of 1.1

[bleak valley]

I’m probably going to restart when 1.2 drops

[coarse kindle]

Anyone know what the 1.2 new game mode is?

[hybrid nymph]

Hello my fellow prisoners! Wait? Did I say prisoners? I mean Pioneers!

[bleak valley]

But for now the grind continues

I love my satisfactory keychain

[warm finch]

why restart? There won't be any major game changes forcing or benefiting from a restart

[bleak valley]

I wanna restart anyway and I think it’ll help see the changes easier

[hybrid nymph]

That's what I was thinking about this game from a story perspective. Could we be criminals put on this planet as a prison just like we are in Star Rupture? I highly doubt we are paid Ficsit employees. Ada keeps talking about your pioneer pension, there is no pension. You're likely not even a real person, you're likely just a clone of a person that keeps getting cloned each time you die.

[deft drum]

When you take damage It isn't the suit that the company is worried about getting damaged

[wild hollow]

Ficsit does not take responsibility for any harm caused, even if those causes are genetic.

[inner ruin]

the saddest part about this joke is this is what companies would do if there wasnt any laws in place 😭

[warm finch]

already have done... that's why we have those kind of laws in place.

[inner ruin]

affirmative

[wild hollow]

Technically, raising people from birth to be athletes is kind of exactly that in a more socially acceptable form.

[hybrid nymph]

When you take damage it says damage to fix it property detected, so I'm guessing that they're worried about the suit taking damage rather than you taking damage.

[warm finch]

but the suit never takes damage, YOU do....

[hybrid nymph]

Fix it does not take responsibility for any harm caused by being an employee

[deft drum]

The joke is YOU are the property

(That was a fast bot smashing, saw it for a second and POOF)

[hybrid nymph]

True, that's correct

[warm finch]

mods here have the server set up well.

[hybrid nymph]

Fix it has taken ownership of you. That's what I'm going with

According to the wiki you are a disposable replaceable corporate asset

[deft drum]

Meanwhile I shared a bot DM request on a server and tbe mods were like "can you give more details before we ban them" I was like

[molten vessel]

Can I rescan once total, or once per hard drive?

[spare prism]

I don’t think it’s worth it but you go off queeeen

I will never reset as I’m already a working slave rn

[bleak valley]

Once per drive

[spare prism]

Which reminds me I need to get building my smart plate factory

[molten vessel]

Good, good.

…Is there a priority list for alternate recipes?

[bleak valley]

Just take whatever you think you can use

And if you don’t like either option or don’t know if you’d use them you can just leave it in the list

You can’t get duplicates if it’s on a pending drive

[hybrid nymph]

Once per hard drive, but you can save scum it if you go over to the MAM after it finishes scanning, then save the game, and look at the results, if you don't like it, exit the game then come back in and the result will be difference

[molten vessel]

I’ll avoid cheesing it for now, I don’t know what’s good anyways, XD

[bleak valley]

There are more drives than recipes so I kinda just pick things

[hybrid nymph]

Try the alt screws recipe iron screws, iron wire, or stitched iron plates

[warm finch]

everything is situational. Some recipes are absolute must haves (IMO) but it's all personal preference and what you want.

Instead of cheesing it, if you see something and you're not sure what to pick, you can leave it in the HDD library until you decide to select it. While leaving a scanned HDD in the library, it keeps those 2 alt recipes out of the pool of potential recipes.

[molten vessel]

I’d like to know the Must Haves?

[gentle lava]

if i dismantle the space elevator then replace it will it keep the phase im on?

[ornate saffron]

yeas

[gentle lava]

ok ty

[warm finch]

This is my personal preference only:

1. Heavy Oil Residue (HOR)
2. Diluted fuel (not packaged)
3. Nitro Rocket Fuel
4. Sloppy Alumina
5. Electrode Scrap
6. Pure Aluminum Ingot
7. Classic Battery
8. Encased Pipe
9. Pure Caterium Ingots
10. Pure Copper Ingots
11. Solid Steel Ingot
12. Coke Steel Ingot (situational)
13. Infused Uranium Cell
14. Uranium Fuel Unit
15. Cast Screws

[molten vessel]

Thanks! I’ll borrow your list until I come to make some decisions of my own on the matter.

[slender minnow]

my must haves right now are, mental help, motavation, and a strange urge to rebuild the factory

[warm finch]

I've been dealing with alot of compacted coal so I might try out compacted steel ingots in order to use that up. we'll see. Still learning 1.1

[slender minnow]

btw, any tips on either motavating myself or knowing how to build efficiently?

[warm finch]

use blue prints, know what is effective to rebuild and what's better off waiting for better tech. Try to make things modular.

I generally avoid rebuilding anything of significant scale until I unlock mk3 miners and mk5 belts.

[slender minnow]

ah, so i should wait, (EVERYONE tells me this but im starting to think IM the insane one now)

[warm finch]

I'm on tier 8 before working on phase 4 and my OG factory is still ticking. Finally getting to the point where I should start planning out how I should rebuild it

[slender minnow]

well im on tier 7 so, almost there

[warm finch]

nah, not insane. It's merely cautioning you so you don't burn out quickly on the game. I've seen many people burn out who have built and rebuilt every single phase/tier.

[slender minnow]

ah, ok ty,( i am still on my first playthrough

[warm finch]

enjoy it! In fact I would advise waiting on rebuilding everything until you get mk6 belts since you are on your first play through.

but least have mk3 miners and mk5 belts at a minimum first. Much easier to move stuff at 780/min!

[slender minnow]

also, ive been told that you can never have too much power, is this true?

[warm finch]

you haven't unlocked particle accelerators lol... my sweet summer child.

[slender minnow]

🫥 what.

[warm finch]

Quantum technology in Phase 5 makes the power consumption of particle accelerators look tame.

!wikisearch particle+accelerator

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=particle+accelerator

[slender minnow]

how, much power do i need on average?

[warm finch]

Only you can answer that

[slender minnow]

oh, then 50k mw is good for now

[ornate saffron]

yup build as needed.

[warm finch]

I'm currently working on my rocket fuel power plant. went from nearly 8k MW to nearly 36k mw. And that's with only 2 out of 6 banks completed.

[slender minnow]

and i still havent revamped my eastern gas power plants, i got this

[ornate saffron]

im at 30k from regualr fuel currently

[hybrid nymph]

Funny thing is I haven't used any of these recipes except for heavy oil residue, encased pipes, and cast screws

[warm finch]

I'll probably be in the 150-200k mw range when I finish phase 4. and then start working on nuclear power. Only because I know what's coming and my plan to go big on some quantum tech. which means I will need MUCHO POWA

[slender minnow]

encased pipes kinda carried for my mk4 line prodeuction

[warm finch]

all the recipes that streamlines the use of Pipes are amazing.

and Iron pipe can be really good if you're surrounded by a bunch of unused iron nodes

[slender minnow]

now im wishing my friend had this game cause they are a factorio EXPERT

[ornate saffron]

you could by it for them

[warm finch]

I've actually seen more factorio "experts" struggle wth this game lol

[ornate saffron]

although factorio plays can struggle

[slender minnow]

im so broke

and they said it was a simpler version, just 3d

havent played factoiro, but idk

[warm finch]

if you're looking for some company in your save to rebuild some stuff. dm me and we can work out something. The game is definitely a lot more fun with someone imo

[ornate saffron]

its the full cup problem. You got to empty your cup to fill it.

Your factorio knowledge can get in the way where a new player has no preconceived ideas

[slender minnow]

sometime, i WILL be taking that offer

that lowkey makes sense

[warm finch]

And remember, if it's feeling like work, it's time to step away and take a break for a bit. it's supposed to be fun and relaxing, not stressful

defeats the entire purpose of playing a video game

[slender minnow]

btw, what would you say is an average hour time to get to pasty phase 3

[warm finch]

don't worry about that. play at YOUR pace

I didn't proper beat 1.0 until I was already 1k hours into the game lol

and I've only beaten it once so far.

[slender minnow]

ik at my pace but i feel 80 hours to get past phase 3 was fast

and THATS intense, i dont think i have over one game with that amount of playtime

[warm finch]

I know a guy that beat the game in about 130 hours. he hand crafted nearly everything he could lol. and complained about the game being boring

[ornate saffron]

ya, that varies WIDLEY! just move at your pace

[slender minnow]

lol its giving "hey its josh, welcome to lets game it out"

[topaz shale]

I'm planning on doing a lot of things by hand maybe up to phase 3.

[wispy tundra]

Hello everyone
how are we all in this friday night?

I'm here rebuilding the entrances to all my starter factories for the nth time, cuz I finally managed to make a blueprint I'm satisfied with

[ornate saffron]

im a accidently speed runner. So my advice is not to worry about it

[slender minnow]

i could never think of something as ENTRANCES

whoops

wrong replay

[wispy tundra]

lol

Oh yeah, I was banging my head trying to nail a design for my entrances for DAYS

[slender minnow]

you gotta have a tube cannon with perfect trajectory into a chute that enters it

[wispy tundra]

#design-and-architecture message

[ornate saffron]

one build (just a train hub woth 4 stations) took me a month to be happy with.

do whats fun

[wispy tundra]

oh yeah

[slender minnow]

my trains, have 2 stations each :.D

[wispy tundra]

OMFG I JUST BACKED OUT TO LOOK AT MY ENTRANCE
AND ONE OF MY TRACTORS RAN ME OVER
AND I GOT AN ACHIEVEMENT SAYING "LOOK BOTH WAYS"

ROFL

[slender minnow]

LOL

once flew into my train system via jetpack

[ornate saffron]

at teh time i was running a two track single direction rail system. Stacked so there was two of them every station had a upper and lower section. Uppoer for parts lower for raw materials and Ingots

[wispy tundra]

ROFLMAO that was 100% on me, I went into the street walking backwards

[ornate saffron]

thats fun ^_^

[slender minnow]

i LOVE flying into the somersloop power generators and getting flung

[ornate saffron]

someone here didi several 100's of testinghours to see what game mechanics he could break with that as a core feature

[hybrid nymph]

Noted thank you

[slender minnow]

man, i only have abt 80 hours on the game 😭 , BUUUUUUUUUUT in you cannon yourself into one i believe youll get flung further

[wispy tundra]

I'm 300 hours in and I'm still at phase 2 lol

[slender minnow]

lol

[hybrid nymph]

Wow, I'm at 175 hours and I'm on phase 4

I thought I was taking a long time

[hybrid nymph]

First time playing?

[ornate saffron]

ya, one of the glitches he found was a way to walk and build underwater

[slender minnow]

im 1st time but im 80 hours at phase 4

anyways, back to thinking about factory

[weak bloom]

turns out making a foundation big enough to fit a 12x12 grid of fuel generators makes me run out of concrete REAL fast, who'da thunk

I thought I brought along enough stacks and uh, I DID NOT

[ornate saffron]

lol ya, ill likely need 8 deopts for concrete

[weak bloom]

also 144 generators takes A LOT OF STUFF xD

[wispy tundra]

yup

[fast summit]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1479641040532144340
how come this feels like it would be an automaton factory building if it were just red instead of blue

[hybrid nymph]

I thought so, you'll get the hang of it eventually

This is my 5th playthrough

[hallow mica]

@hybrid nymph how much hours do you have?

[hybrid nymph]

In my current save or on satisfactory total?

[hallow mica]

total

[hybrid nymph]

696 hours on satisfactory on Steam

[hallow mica]

nice

[hybrid nymph]

It is my favorite game on steam, second place is no man's sky with 310 hours

Third place is Payday 2 with 200 hours

Fourth place is killing floor 2 with 190 hours

And 5th place is democracy 3 with 180 hours

[ornate saffron]

69 nice

i think i got 4k hours in ff....... this comes third after rust

[wispy tundra]

Yeah. I know I have issues lolz
I'm basically rebuilding my starter factories over and over until I'm satisfied with their design

which I think NOW I finally am

[hybrid nymph]

I remember my first save, my factory was a disaster

It's still a little messy, but I've gotten a lot better at organizing it

When I get on the game tonight after I'm done with my homework, I need to fix aluminum

[spare prism]

[jagged nymph]

my first save was... oh where do i even begin

[empty spoke]

can anybody explain the nudge system? like sometimes i can affect specific axis but sometimes not, is there like any hotkey to swap that?

sometimes, page up page down works, sometimes the arrows works, sometimes both dont work for the specific axis im searching for

[ornate saffron]

as far as i can tell this happens when the item you hit hold on is snapped to something and now it nudges in relation to the item its snapped to

[brave hearth]

#BRING BACK BEING ABLE TO GO INTO BEDS BY CROUCHING

[jagged nymph]

#ADDGOLF

[slender minnow]

dont you just LOVE playing skate in satisfactory

*agressive factory cart gameplay

[deep field]

guys im scared

coal aint cuttin it but this oil shi so overwhleming

klike i think ik where ima get my oil

[normal vale]

probably from the ground ✌️

[white dawn]

Oil can get pretty complicated, indeed, but especially if you're just starting out, you can keep things nice and simple

The vanilla "Fuel" recipe takes in Crude Oil and spits out Fuel and Polymer Resin

You can send the Fuel directly into the fuel gens, and for now just hook the Resin up to a sink

Later on you can find another use for the resin, should you feel so inclined. :)

The important thing is to keep it moving so that the Fuel itself doesn't stop production

[ornate saffron]

👆

[deep field]

hmm rlly?

[normal vale]

yeah

[slender minnow]

WAIT, WE GET OIL FROM THE GROUND

WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME 😭

IVE BEEN GETTING IT FROM USA

[deep field]

hmm is 13 (48 stack) boxes enough for steel for phase 3

[slender minnow]

maybe, get more plastic

[deep field]

ik i need atleast like 7 for the damn support stuff

[deep field]

i think i have all the plastic stuffs i need from the crash landing sites fr

[slender minnow]

uh,

USB MAN GTE THEM STATISTICS

[deep field]

but i cant make the last 2 things of the phase without manufacturer and that req tons of power which i needa get oil power for

[ornate saffron]

i just have a constant supply going for pioneer use. and then facilities produce what they need in the factories themselfs

[deep field]

i have 551 rubber idk if thats enough for it (phase 3)

[vital quail]

are you far from other coal nodes? I expanded a little to another area with coal before phase 3, since I was still unsure of how to proceed with oil properly at the time.

[slender minnow]

ok you WILL neeed more for industrial motor or whatever, (rubber)

[deep field]

i have tons of concentrated coal could just add like 2 more coal generators but id rather future proof with oil production

[deep field]

mk

[wispy tundra]

quick question, is there ANY way, ANYTHING that I can do to remove those goddamn phantom truck station markers from stations I deleted that simply won't go away, and I can't even delete them on SCIM?

[slender minnow]

i had to manually rmove mine when i switched to train

[wispy tundra]

but how?

[ornate saffron]

you can hide them

[next ivy]

enter a truck, select route, delete/hide route ?

[slender minnow]

btw research sulfer quartz when u can

[slender minnow]

sometimes it bugs

[deep field]

for quartz all i have left is the merger

[wispy tundra]

Yeah, but then I'll hide ALL truck station markers, which I didn't want to

[slender minnow]

eh, youll only need quartz after phase 3, just get ur sulfer and caterium research done

[deep field]

for sulf i only have black power and compactd coal tho

[slender minnow]

begin mass producing compacted

and fine a oil node

oil -> Gas -> turbofuel -> Power AND jetpack

(turbofuel needs cmpacted coal and gas)

i made the mistake of juyst using normal fuel with multiple sulfer depostis nearby,

dm me if you want help because i need a break from aluminum

[deep field]

well im prob gonna just split my compacted coal so it still powers my coal gens for a bit but it slowly will fill up like 5-10 boxes of it as extra for the turbofuel

[slender minnow]

also, try to attemp to lean away from coal power cause gas is like (1 second) times better

3x*

on average

[deep field]

well no im saying that im gonna split my compacted coal crafting in half to power coal gens while the 2nd split goes to extra boxes for future turbofuel

[slender minnow]

OH MB WHAT TEIR ARE YOU ON

[deep field]

im doin stuff for the caterium research rn

[deep field]

uhhh lemme see, tier like milestone?

[slender minnow]

uh

in the hub

[deep field]

just finished monorail in the 6th milestone

also dm me so we dont fill the chat with specifics

[slender minnow]

kk

[gentle lava]

whats the satisfactory tool that shows what u need to make efficient factories

[pale cedar]

Does anyone speak Spanish?

[warm finch]

satisfactorytools.com

[gentle lava]

than you jittleyang

[warm finch]

feel free to chat here. never know who might be lurking and benefit

[deep field]

mk

[gentle lava]

I hope whoever made this satisfactory tool lives a long and happy life

🥰

[glad drum]

#screenshots message - I freakin' love Liquid Biofuel

[gentle lava]

whats the underclock upgrade called?

is it the amplification?

[next ivy]

overclock i think, no ?

in the slug tree ?

[gentle lava]

ye nah its the overclock one allg

[glad drum]

Yeah gotta overclock to underclock

[weak bloom]

nearly had a panic attack when I hooked up my generators which are currently on their own isolated grid and not connected to the rest of the world AND THE FUSE BLEW INSTANTLY

.....it's because I was using the hoverpack 🙃

turned on the generator, hoverpack connected to the power pole next to the new generator, fuse instantly blew 🙃

[weak bloom]

okay yeah it's gonna take a HOT minute for these 144 generators to stabilize and the fuel to fill out the manifold lmfao

[hybrid nymph]

generators? What kind?

[normal orbit]

you might need to add a pump or two inside the manifold to get it to the end

[glad drum]

Either that or split it off at the beginning of the manifold and run a pipe all the way to the end of the manifold so it can fill from both sides

[weak bloom]

it's gas so I think it's fine

[weak bloom]

fuel, using rocket fuel

I just underclocked the first in each row of 12 to 1% and I'm gonna let them sit that way until the ones at the back fill up

[glad drum]

#screenshots message you can see the looped manifold technique here

[normal orbit]

well, keep it in mind if you find the last couple not recieving the fuel

[glad drum]

I may be mistaken but it may happen that eventually the first machines suck up the fluid before it can reach the last ones

[weak bloom]

it's still way more overkill power than I'm consuming so no issue with just letting it take time to ramp up

[weak bloom]

it's calculated so I am consuming exactly the full 600, so eventually it will fill up. did the same with the turbo fuel setup previously. it'll take a while but it will eventually fill

(eventually it will fill with the underclocked machines) then I can just put them back to 100% and yes at that point some of them may not stay full but they will at least stay active

[hybrid nymph]

you can just shut them off, that works too while they fill up. It always take awhile for them to fill up. I'm honestly thinking of not even doing nuclear

[hybrid nymph]

it's always worth overclocking fuel generators, coal generators, not so much, just saves space

[molten vessel]

Solid Biofuel is actually better than biofuel, right? It’s not just more space-efficient?

[weak bloom]

counterpoint: having 4 stacks of 12x12 fuel generators is a hell of a thing to look at

[reef basin]

Better how?

[weak bloom]

also I just built it off the edge of the continent in the void so there's infinite space anyway

[molten vessel]

More power per foliage, I guess?

[normal orbit]

solid biofuels burns a bit slower, so could power more burners

4/min vs 6/min iirc

[reef basin]

Yeah it has more energy

[molten vessel]

Then I guess I’ll bother to convert all the plant matter into it, thanks!

[reef basin]

Burn time depends on consumption 🙂

[normal orbit]

well yea, bioburners dont overproduce power

but you can feed 15 on a t1 belt vs 10 on biomass

[humble osprey]

has anyone played the satisfactory adjacent game, star rupture

[normal orbit]

yes

[molten vessel]

Ugh, making Solid Biofuel is slow

[normal orbit]

you're not handmaking it are you?

[molten vessel]

…maybe.

[normal orbit]

automate :)

[molten vessel]

I handmake a lot more than I should, to be honest

The only constructor thing I’ve made so far permanently makes concrete. Or whatever the Limestone product is called.

[hybrid nymph]

no it's not, if you use it in a biomass burner, it takes 4 solid biofuel/min and 2 liquid biofuel/min, liquid biofuel is the best fuel for biomass burners

[hybrid nymph]

I have yes

[normal orbit]

1: bioburners do not take liquid biofuel

2: if you're using bioburners still in pahse 3... you're doing it wrong

3: putting liquid biofuel into a fuel gen is same as normal fuel 20/min

[molten vessel]

As long as Solid Biofuel beats Biomass, I’m happy

[raven isle]

Man, sloshing is brutal. Even when I prefill my generators, have pumps for adequate headlift, and have a buffer, I lose almost 20%.

Looking forward to 1.2 if they fixed it.

[hybrid nymph]

Um yes they do, i can prove you wrong right now. Just built one and it uses 2.4 packaged liquid biofuel per minute, liquid biofuel is the most efficient fuel for biomass burners

Don't believe me, check the wiki

[normal orbit]

congratulations, you're using mods

[hybrid nymph]

I'll even prove it with a screenshot

[raven isle]

I just built one in Vanilla, @normal orbit . It uses 2.4 a minute.

[hybrid nymph]

I'll even link you a quote from the wiki page

[raven isle]

Wait, maybe they aren't thinking packaged liquid and are thinking actual liquid.

[real shale]

Why would you even burn it in a biomass burner anyway

[hallow mica]

i just got some rubber, plastic, and a bit electricity going in my world, what should i do next? I'm in phase 3

[normal orbit]

yes

[hybrid nymph]

Told you so: #screenshots message

I only have 1 mod installed, that's the bigger inventory mod

[true eagle]

ello

[hybrid nymph]

I do not have a mod that allows for liquid biofuel to be used in the biomass burner

[real shale]

Actually, I'm pretty sure burning it in the biomass burner is a lot less efficient in terms of power generation than just burning it directly in a fuel generator

[hallow mica]

where do you install mods?

[hybrid nymph]

we can see?

let's do the math

[real shale]

It's very inefficient iirc

[hybrid nymph]

how many biofuel per packaged liquid biofuel?

[real shale]

2.4 packaged biofuel a min for biomass burner is 100 M3/min

[hybrid nymph]

what 100^3?

[real shale]

For a fuel generator it uses 20m3/min

[hallow mica]

how can i get mods in satisfactory?

[raven isle]

The confusion was liquid vs packaged. Technically bioburners don't take liquid biofuel, they take packaged liquid biofuel, which is what Neko was arguing.

[hybrid nymph]

satisfactory mod manager, download it from the coffeestainstudios website

[hallow mica]

thxs

[hybrid nymph]

oh okay

[real shale]

Unless I'm missing something which is likely, burning biofuel in a biomass burner is unruly inefficient

Better off just using it for jetpack fuel honestly

[normal orbit]

actually same, but you have to take making plastic and packaging it into effect for using it in bioburner, so you lose a lot of overhead

you could just turn the oil into fuel and get more

rather than plastic

[real shale]

Yeah

Honestly didn't know you could burn biofuel in a biomass generator considering it's....fuel...

[hybrid nymph]

okay it's 10^3 of liquid biofuel for each packaged liquid biofuel

[normal orbit]

?

[hybrid nymph]

each biomass burner makes 30MW, which takes 24^3m per minute

[normal orbit]

its 1:1, 60 liquid biofuel +60 packages = 60 packaged biofuel

[hybrid nymph]

that right there is already less efficient than a fuel generator, therefore fuel gens win

[normal orbit]

600 biofuel/min = 30 fuel gens at 250mw = 7500mw. 600 biofuel + 600 canisters = 600 packaged biofuel/min 600/2.4*30 = 7500mw

[hybrid nymph]

oh actually it;s exactly the same

[raven isle]

And that's not even counting the extra overhead of power lost to manufacturing and packaging the fuel.

[hybrid nymph]

it takes 8.3 bioamss burners to equal 1 fuel generator, each consumes 2.4 per minute. 2.4x8.3=20 So thjey're exactly the same efficiency

fuel gens just save a ton of space, that's it

[normal orbit]

10 packagers at 10mw each = 100mw. 600 canisters/min = 300 plastic/min = 450 oil in 15 refineries = 450 mw. 450 oil = 1 pure node oil extractor at like 187.5% oc, taking... 150-ish? mw. 150+100+450 = 700 reducing the power from bioburners to 6800mw

[real shale]

Am I missing something? Fuel generator burns 20m³/min

Where was the biomass burner uses 2.4 packaged fuel/min?

[hybrid nymph]

when you factor everything in, yes biomass is technically better, but it's super ugly and takes a lot of space

[raven isle]

Heh, I just quickly stacked 10 burners out of curiosity, it's almost exactly the same space as a fuel gen.

[hybrid nymph]

it is exactly the same as a fuel generator, 8.3 biomass burners equal 1 fuel gen

same efficiency

[raven isle]

I was talking about space.

[river marsh]

how many hypertube enterences should i stack together to go as far as 1km

[real shale]

2 and make a loop using a branch with an exit point to swap to

You don't need to do the stacking hypertube entrance thing anymore, you can make the pioneer accelerator

[river marsh]

ive heard looping is dangerous as if u dont exit on time u might get stuck

[real shale]

Honestly, if you mash the E key quick enough it's not that big an issue, besides you don't need to be in that long to go unruly amounts of speed anyway

[river marsh]

ok ill give it a try thanks!

[real shale]

Np

I still find it funny that I got instakilled that one time I had a hypertube exit me out directly onto a conveyor belt

[raven isle]

You took "falling" damage from the exit?

[real shale]

Either that or there was some weird physics bug with the collision to the conveyor belt

[river marsh]

uhmmm how do i connect hypertube to an enterance? it wont connect 😭

[real shale]

Physics bug is probably more likely considering your one shot protection is ignored

[raven isle]

Oh, fair point.

[real shale]

Supports

The hypertube connects to supports not the entrance itself

[river marsh]

ohh got it

[real shale]

The entrance you put over the support

[raven isle]

Oh my god. I just learned I can snap my pumps to a wall to make sure they're evenly aligned and then connect pipes vs. Connecting pipes, then trying to align the pump.

[tranquil latch]

hi im new to the game and i just unlocked trains, what in the hell is this specifically signaling😭

[real shale]

The rule of signalling

Path signal at the entrance of a junction, block signal at the exit of a junction, subdivide individual tracks into different blocks to prevent bottlenecks and subsequently collisions

[normal orbit]

ever since 1.1 its kinda much easier to place the pumps/junctions/valves first, then do the pipes. and it works much better

[real shale]

Path signals reserve a path for a train to use even if another train is inside the same junction provided their paths do not intersect

[gentle lava]

i mightve messed something up

[tranquil latch]

dang this is gonna be hard

[real shale]

I wish I could say more, but that is 99% of what you need to know about signalling

And somehow it accounts for like.... 40% of the issues people have

[lavish echo]

#screenshots message how does one get this?

[tranquil latch]

so basically like path signals, let one train pass at this specific path

[normal orbit]

the signals do what their name suggest. block signals make blocks out of trains that only one train can occupy. Path signals create paths thru a block, so more than one train can occupy a block (think intersections).

[tranquil latch]

and can u elaborate on the block signals i dont really get it

[real shale]

Block signals make it so that another train cannot enter a block if a train is already in that boundaries of that block

Otherwise you'd just collide

Good practice is to divide individual lines into blocks long enough to fit one train and block train stations themselves

[tranquil latch]

and path signals make it so more than one train can enter that block but in different paths?

[real shale]

Yes

[normal orbit]

make en longer than train. 10-20 foundations between each block signal

[tranquil latch]

ohhh

[real shale]

Be wary though

There is currently a bug that might cause stress if you place signals at the end of a railway segment (where you connect two railways together)

Sometimes signals are finicky at those points and might not work, so sometimes you might have to place them further down or up to make sure they work

[tranquil latch]

ohh okay okay

its complicated but i kinda get the jist of it

[real shale]

Yeah, there isn't much to it, it just takes a bit of practice

[gentle lava]

i just built a whole ass factory early game forgetting i only have 4 bio burners

[real shale]

Time to isolate it off a bit until you can get automated power

[gentle lava]

i gotta research coal

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message this is why its an issue signaling an intersection. the game see this is as a valid turn. You can rebuild tracks in a specific order to make it work, or just move away the signal from the split

[gentle lava]

only for 7 smart plate a minute

[real shale]

You ever see a train do a 180 on the tracks before?

[normal orbit]

yes

[real shale]

It's hilarious when it does it

[normal orbit]

it looks so dumb

[real shale]

I love how train pathing works in this game

[normal orbit]

kinda hope 1.2 will fix it back to pre 1.1

[raven isle]

Well, I fixed my sloshing issue. I disconnected the generators and looked at each pipe individually. They were all sloshing 20 or so / minute, but there was one pipe that was sloshing between 80-130 despite nothing being connected to the pipes. I deleted that segment and it stopped the sloshing in the other pipes. Weird.

[real shale]

All my trains for some reason love my single lane bridge despite it being the most out of the way path to take for most things

[normal orbit]

that implies theres an error with taking a shorter path

[sterile blade]

Sloshing may not be an issue at all, so long as you have enough free space (ie: aviable throughput) in the pipework ^^

[real shale]

Oh no there isn't I checked, everything else works as intended, it just LOVES that bridge

[gentle lava]

now I have to use the factory bro

[normal orbit]

trains will always go for shortest route. they will only take a longer path if that short path is incomplete, signaled wrong or it cannot approach station from that direction

[sterile blade]

If they could take a shorter route, they would.
If they didn't, we'd be flooded with bug reports
Note: placing one train station along one route counts as making it longer by a lot

[raven isle]

I prefilled all of my generators, had a pump with 38/50 headlift, and a full buffer before I turned on my generators. Then the buffer ran out and 20% of my generators turned off. I looked at my pump and it was only pushing 400-500 /600. That's what made me look back at the pipes to notice one was isolated and sloshing 100 or so in itself, even after deleting both connecting pipes it kept sloshing in itself.

[tranquil latch]

ggs my train just got obliterated by my second train

suicide bro

[normal orbit]

i believe a station counts for about 80-85 foundations of track length

[real shale]

We are flooded with bug reports and questions about trains anyway

[sterile blade]

How much leeway is there, if you try to move 600/min through one pipe...? 😉

[normal orbit]

i dont think i've seen any actual train bugs, just people making them wrong

[sterile blade]

Not about them not pathing correctly 🤷‍♂️

[real shale]

There's the junction one for sure

[normal orbit]

aside the turn angle

[real shale]

That too

[raven isle]

It's working completely fine now. I deleted that isolated sloshing pipe and rebuilt it. Literally changed nothing and my generators are all running 100%. I've got them clocked to use 575/600.

[sterile blade]

Oh, nice thinking!

[real shale]

The turn angle and the junction one are the main bugs with trains rn afaik

[sterile blade]

But yeah, 25/600 is indeed a small amount of leeway, which can be disturbed by heavy sloshing ^^

[normal orbit]

its same bug/issue

they not separate

[real shale]

Same bug that causes two different issues

:P

[normal orbit]

no its same issue actually

[real shale]

I have had the turn angle one happen without any signalling

[raven isle]

I'm more or less confused what caused the sloshing in the first place, and how a pipe could slosh itself when there are no other connecting pipes. I'm pretty confident it was a bug considering I have changed nothing and my buffers are still all 400/400 and gens at 100%.

[normal orbit]

cause like a V is a valid turn, the game sees it as valid and the signals become incorrect

[sterile blade]

Hard to say without being able to see the system
You can try hopping on #screenshots or #math-and-meta to figure this one out

[real shale]

Yeah that's what I mean, it causes the trains to do awkward turns and all breaks signals, two issues from the same bug :P, anyway semantics but point is, it's the only major issue(s) with trains rn anyway

[normal orbit]

you can see it if you go into the signal build mode and then check the block colors. the signal erroring out, will have the same block color before and after cause its seeing a weird turn as a normal turn

[real shale]

My biggest gripe with the game which is a testament to how well I enjoy the game is the lighting of all things in certain areas, which means coffee stain are doing a good job if the biggest gripe is graphics related and not gameplay

Particularly the sudden lighting change of day/night cycles and...... flood lights

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message you can see it in this example

the signal on the right top track isnt separating the track from the intersection, cuz the green angle is what it thinks is correct

[real shale]

I love the sudden lighting change, it's like someone just decided to turn on the sun with a light switch

[river marsh]

how much height difference should i keep between 2 floors so that nothing clips through the floors?

[sterile blade]

More than the highest machine, even more if you like to have logistics hanging from the ceiling or from below the floor of the floor above

[hybrid nymph]

ahh I see. yeah talking about space, yeah still the fuel gen is so much better

[real shale]

The biggest culprits of clipping through floors are refineries and awesome sinks, so those are a good reference.

[river marsh]

ikr 😭 this messed up my factories so bad

[normal orbit]

depends what you're building between em. anything from 1 meter to like 100+m

[real shale]

For all we know you could really want to put a radar tower before two floors

[river marsh]

whys that

for height measurement?

[real shale]

It was mainly a light gesture at how much stuff can vary in height in this game, unless you want to do that in which I won't stop you

[raven isle]

I uploaded some screenshots. The yellow ring is the pipe that was sloshing about 100 or so in itself. So far everything is working great after replacing that pipe.

[river marsh]

kk

[real shale]

Why the random pump in the middle of the manifold?

[normal orbit]

those buffer could cause issues. not recommended to use em, but if you desperatly want them there, place powered pumps on both sides

[sterile blade]

I don't think there's any advantage in putting a pump on a downward pipe coming out of a buffer

[raven isle]

Hmm, I received the opposite advice earlier this week. I was told having a buffer elevated helped reduce sloshing.

[limpid rune]

where can i ask questions about dedicated server issues

[sterile blade]

Gravity is doing the trick already

[normal orbit]

they were misinformed if they thought that

[reef basin]

I don't think there's any advantage in putting a pump on a downward pipe coming out of a buffer

[reef basin]

buffers are practically pointless

[raven isle]

They're completely pointless. Both types are round.

[sterile blade]

I can't see the whole network very well, but I am a bit weary of the very short distance you left one pump and the junction next to it (I see at least one such istance). That creates an extremely short pipe segments between the 2 and when pipe segments get "too short" they sometimes act in weird ways...

[sterile blade]

Cool opinion, we don't agree, we've gone over this already

[gentle lava]

yo i fucked up the factory

🥀

turns out mark one belts cant keep up with 7 smelters

[real shale]

Lmao, happens

[gentle lava]

maybe a big early game factory wasnt the smartest

[real shale]

You will have those realisations throughout the game

[sterile blade]

I don't think I ever heard anyone suggesting using them to help with sloshing tbh
Keeping things full/flow stable, checking fill levels and other reasons, maybe, but never to help reducing slosh

[normal orbit]

the game shows belt speed :p

[gentle lava]

welp phase 2 is gonna be such a joy to get

[raven isle]

Well, I removed the buffers and there's still no sloshing, so I'm happy to have less space used.

[real shale]

Honestly, early game I'd just worry about getting automated power

Phase 1 is just a trial of "can this pioneer figure out the key principles of FICSIT"

[raven isle]

They linked me a video from ImKibitz where he pointed out to do it when building coal factories. It was an older video, so likely changed since then. I know I also read that floor pipe holes canceled out pumps, but that doesn't seem to be true any more.

[normal orbit]

floor holes had a big fix in 1.0

well slightly after 1.0

but they've been issue free since, least for me

[sterile blade]

Don't they still kill headlift if placed right after a pump?

[normal orbit]

na

[gentle lava]

oh i really fucked up

i now have a mixture of mark one and two belts because i couldnt afford all mark 2 belt

[normal orbit]

my entire plubber factory has ~200 machines being bottom fed with pumps

[real shale]

Plubber...I like that word

[sterile blade]

... I don't recall any changes in fluid dynamics that would make buffers act against slosh. I think that suggestion might have been bad from the beginning (if that was the reason provided)

[real shale]

Rose, have you looked at the pipeline manual by chance

[normal orbit]

i find buffers do the opposite, they advocate for more slosh

[sterile blade]

Add some Fuel for Reciclyng and you get a full Flubber system

[limpid rune]

yo some kid is posting a crypto scam in the dedicated servers chat 😭

[real shale]

The holy texts......

[sterile blade]

@ mods

[real shale]

Vencam, have you found a way to make pipes compatible with sushi yet, I would like to mix my fuel with my dark matter

[sterile blade]

No pipe sushi yet :P

[real shale]

Disgraceful

[sterile blade]

The player base is far too intimidated by solid sushi already

[real shale]

But liquid biofuel looks like wasabi and sushi needs wasabi

[raven isle]

The video is ImKibitz "The Ultimate Satisfactory 1.1 Trips and Tricks Guide." 4 months ago. Not as old as I thought. 17 minutes, 29 seconds in. I have a link, but I'm not sure if linking it here would be allowed, or if you even care, heh.

[sterile blade]

Also, there's no reason why a circle can't fit in a square...
(Reference: #satisfactory-memes message)

[real shale]

Gonna put my pumps into my programmable splitters and see if it works

[sterile blade]

We have a white list for links, worst case your message gets deleted :P
And I am interested, thanks, will loop it up later as it's go time for me now 👋

[normal orbit]

just watched that bit. not sure i agree that a buffer at the end of a pipe-i-fold actually prevents sloshing

[sterile blade]

I find those great to help fill manifolds immediately or monitor the fill level, but sloshing... Uh-uh

[normal orbit]

junctions in themselves act a teleports, just putting fluids from A to B/C/D

so if you just have one in and one out like at the end, the only sloshing is in the pipe leading to the machine

which will prob be next to nothing

[normal orbit]

fill when its at the end? :p

[raven isle]

Well, I've no sloshing after removing the buffers, so I'm not inclined to disagree.

[normal orbit]

you had em before tho

[raven isle]

I had them in both locations when the sloshing existed.

[hybrid nymph]

hell yeah 30,000 MW

[raven isle]

My thought process was to just let the darn pipes fil from both sides and fill back up after. Can't say it would work or not because I never put the back buffer up again once I found the odd pipe that was causing the issue in the first place.

[bold heron]

how long is night ?

[real shale]

5 minutes

[raven isle]

15 minutes IIRC

[bold heron]

ok not long

[real shale]

45 minute day 5 minutes night

[hybrid nymph]

~10-15 minutes

[raven isle]

A day is exactly 60 minutes.

[real shale]

had to think there

[hybrid nymph]

according to the wiki, the full daylight cycle is ~60 minutes

[real shale]

It's 50

[hybrid nymph]

let's see what the wiki says

[real shale]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Units

[raven isle]

My save file has 100 hours played, and I have 100 days without incident.

[real shale]

"The duration of one day in Satisfactory is 50 minutes, consisting of a 45-min daytime and 5-min nighttime."

[hybrid nymph]

the wiki says 60

[normal orbit]

#satisfactory message says 50 there

[hybrid nymph]

oh well touche, I was wrong, not often that happens

[real shale]

Actually, I see the wiki says two different things

On the page for world it says 60 minutes, on the units page it says 50

So someone on the wiki is telling lies

[raven isle]

I, uh. I'm at 144h (I swear it was 100 just yesterday! What is this game doing to me?!) and at 145 days without incident in my HUB.

[real shale]

I am at 517h and have 20 days

[raven isle]

I haven't died yet. My point was it is a gauge of a day.

[real shale]

Why haven't you died yet

[raven isle]

My hitpoints have stayed above 0.

[real shale]

But why, you need to liv...I mean die a little

Needs more unfortunate accidents with hypertube cannons

[raven isle]

I've come close a few times while enjoying drones.

[real shale]

My funniest death by far is still the hypertube cannon conveyor belt incident

[raven isle]

You know, I've never built a hypertube? Like, ever. I've 300 hours total, 144 on this save.

[real shale]

That was completely unexpected and caught me off guard

Hypertubes are fun

[sterile blade]

Yep, placed higher so it can flood the system without having fluid piling up at the producer (they don't fight, as overflow goes into the buffer)

Weird how I default to "fuel" when I want to talk about fluids xD

The end, or the middle of the manifold... Just not the start

Ie: so the system can get "max flow" from both the producers and from the buffer(s)

[peak wasp]

Hello, are there any mods for shaders? Is it possible to change it? Dont really know much but game would look really cool with like crt/contour/borderlands like shaders

[sterile blade]

You can ask in the Modding sever (link in #welcome)

[sterile blade]

Though, there might be some effects similar to what you described in Vanilla already... (just in photo-mode though)

[hybrid nymph]

how many of you have been banned from a discord server?

[pastel vine]

Hello, i would ask if someone want to play with me Satisfactory