satisfactory

[slender minnow]

as i am a little further than that, i would first go down the sulfur route in order to quickly make turbofuel

[real shale]

why are my pipes suddenly flipping to the other side of a pipeline support when im placing them, i swear im locking them to the side i want but when i change the build mode suddenly it decides "yeah nah i wanna come from this end now"

[dense violet]

sometimes the mode and angle you're placing things can be wonky

[real shale]

weird, maybe its my punishment for the active cardinal sin of fluid flow i am committing

#screenshots message

[warm finch]

Fill up all your pipes and have your refineries backed up before you turn on your fuel generators.

[warm finch]

what exactly is the sin? it looks pretty clean.

[real shale]

the fluid is not going down

its coming up

pray thee pumps

[warm finch]

Just take your time, enjoy the game, pay attention to the math, learn and understand the mechanics, automate, plan on going back and rebuiling things as you learn new tricks and unlock new technology. The game is a tutorial until you reach phase 5. HAVE FUN!

[warm finch]

as long as you have the necessary headlift and keep the pipes full, it'll be ok

[real shale]

eh its not an essential pipeline anyway, its only to produce smokeless powder for future nukes

[dense violet]

thats not terrible? why do you think it's bad?

[dense violet]

this is fine?

[real shale]

i dont think its bad, its just i have been told many times that gravity is my best friend and i have just decided that screw gravity when pumps exist

[dense violet]

if you're having a pipe that is going up and doing nothign else? yeah do it. It's fine.

it gets weird when you have a bunch of elevation changes within the manifold section feeding machines

you want to keep that stuff flat

[deft drum]

what if it's a gas like ronket fuel?

[dense violet]

it's very easy and often needed to just pump fluids up

[dense violet]

so with a gas within a manifold grav priority shouldnt be much of an issue
I've seen people have easier fuel towers with RF gas

But also I think RF as power is stupid so I've never bothered with massive gas pipes

and pre 1.0 I think 6 machines in a very short manifold was the biggest gas system you'd reasonably make

[warm finch]

interesting, I'd like to know moer about your thoughts on why

[dense violet]

boring and massive when you can have literally 1/10th the number of gens for the same power with nuclear
and nuclear isn't hard, its about the same amount of work in more but smaller steps

[deft drum]

i like rocket fuel but were i to guess

need tier 9 to fit 4 in a BP and also by GOD you want to have power shards automated

[dense violet]

decent power with 1000 gens or 100?

[fickle adder]

got lizarddoggo then owned it then threw it off a cliff\

[dense violet]

plus as lot less piping

[deft drum]

it is a LOT of piping yeah

[warm finch]

makes sense. Rocket fuel does require a ton of piping lol

[tall lantern]

tbf so does the water for nuclear

[dense violet]

oh and you basically can't use uranium ore for anythign other than power

it's a trash resource

[deft drum]

i did the math, and if you focus on Uranium fuel rods and just sink the Plutonium rods Nuclear will only cost like, 23% of the maps sulfur

[dense violet]

yeah not a lot considering sulfur doesn't have a huge number of uses either

you have to really aim to use all the sulfur

[deft drum]

leached iron/copper/caterium, rocket fuel/turbo fuel, nuclear, batteries, and instant scrap

Batteries had a use case with drones but now even that is gone

[dense violet]

the leached recipes are VERY niche

[warm finch]

Not really, it's just 1 piped resource - water. Rocket fuel requires HOR, diluted fuel (if you want more), turbo fuel, rocket fuel

[dense violet]

I'm pretty sure they were just introduced so people could have the option to use waste Acid in a different system

without doing waste mergers or split acid systems like bauxite

[deft drum]

can skip turbo fuel with nitro rocket

[warm finch]

yes, if you go diluted fuel route. it's still more pipes than just water for nuclear.

[deft drum]

and, because the big thing nitro rocket costs over regular is sulfur which as we're discussing has limited usefulness, i have come around on nitro rocket

[dense violet]

build nuclear gens above water - one short pipe up

I've seen people build gens over land
and that certainly is a choice

[deft drum]

and because of ionized fuel for jetpack you do want at least some rocket fuel somewhere

[tall lantern]

one pipe isn't gonna feed much ;P
one bundle of pipes would, sure

[dense violet]

nah just one pipe each gen. straight up

[tall lantern]

fair

[dense violet]

very simple

[deft drum]

2 water extractors into one pipe going up into a reactor

what i would do as well

[warm finch]

Other than the piping, I love nitro rocket fuel. great use of sulfur and easy power, just very redundant and time consuming. It's a good foundational power step to support nuclear fuel production

[dense violet]

yeah, nuclear set ups are pretty loacked to the coast unless you're a mad person

[tall lantern]

my last nuclear was indeed not over water, but that's a handy tip for next time (if there is one)
(it was at least near water - #screenshots message)

[dense violet]

the burning of the rods - not the making of them

[dense violet]

way too much piping 😛

[tame elk]

what happens when you fall off the map

[real shale]

you die.

[tame elk]

what happens to the body

[real shale]

death

it just despawns

[tame elk]

nice

[real shale]

dont worry though your death crate will (probably) end up at the edge of the cliff you decided to toss yourself over

[tame elk]

what do i do if i dont die in the void

[dense violet]

be more specific

[tame elk]

nvm i found the respawn button

[tall lantern]

you continue living and do whatever you do when you're alive. build factories probably

[tame elk]

i fell off my factory into the void and was falling for like 5 minutes

[dense violet]

weird the death wall didn't kill you quick

[tall lantern]

mods?

[tribal timber]

yeah that's fun, ive done it too. No mods.

[dense violet]

maybe a weird hiccup?

[zenith pecan]

Found a place for my heat sink factory, I stuck it on top of the cooling system factory 🤣

[deft drum]

Vertical integration

[zenith pecan]

Heh yeah, the outputs from upstairs directly feed into the blenders, so no heat sink logistics needed 🙂

[near mural]

how to make factory less fugly when i build everything on a huge concrete slab

[deft drum]

"Neat part, you don't"

[near mural]

the slab is timeless but i just realized its my 4th giant concrete slab 😭

[deft drum]

Estheticals is not something my autism does good alas

[obtuse kraken]

is there a reason why satisfacotry tool refuses to use my alt recepie for screws even though its more cost effective to use the alt recipie instead

[deft drum]

Why I use Factoriolab

totally not it just being the tool I know better

[dense violet]

are you using 'maximise'?

[obtuse kraken]

yes

[dense violet]

maximise ignores resource efficiency

once you get a number, plug it back in to the item per min option

[dense violet]

or only allow 1 screw recipe to be used

[inner ruin]

ayy i passed the enterance exam

[obtuse kraken]

damnit was hoping to use it to do the math for me xd

[dense violet]

it does, just plug the 'maximised' changing it to 'items pm' instead

as mentioned previously

[weak bloom]

is it just me or are mk4 belts for whatever reason harder to highlight to dismantle than the other belts? idk if the geometry is slightly weird and harder to select compared to the others but I've found myself having to be more precise about selecting mk4 belts compared to any of the others

it occurred to me again now because i just unlocked mk5 and they're somehow easier to select again lol

[swift turret]

just you

[tidal dock]

When you spend 20 minutes looking for the MK1 belt only to finally realize you didn't put the power shards in the miner 🙁

[warm finch]

certainly won't be the last time

[tidal dock]

at least I have coffee

So I'm a little confused, it's been like 30 minutes or so since I setup my coal power, I have 8 coal generators and 120 coal per minute but the last two generators are always burning coal faster than they get it. The other 6 generators have 100 coal in them. My belts and everything are all MK2, what am I missing here?

[clear night]

I wanted to ask, what's the best way to plan and set up for a big project? I want to do a big project but I don't know where to start and don't want to screw up. And good ways to plan and exucte those plans. I'm talking about the straight building and not the factory work to go with it, thats a whole other problem

[dense violet]

the last couple machines will never fill up

but they will run at 100%

[tidal dock]

gotcha, thanks

[dense violet]

start with a good planner and use it with conjunction of a map to choose recipes and location

like this one https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

then break down the sections of hte factory and where they will go, place some foundations, think how many floors you'll do ect
if you need to import resources plan space for your prefered logistics

using a spread sheet to take notes and break up the sections down further than the planner

[clear night]

I want to do a mega project but I don't want to screw it up due to the amount of time I'll have to put into it. I just want it to look good

[dense violet]

yup there's videos on the architectural side of things - that mostly takes practice

totalxclipse has some great general tips and tricks you can use to create neat things

[clear night]

ok, Ill create a creative world and screw around with that to see how I mite set it up since I'll probably be fine when I start getting into it

[dense violet]

may as well just build in your normal world - once you get something you like you don't have to rebuild it

[clear night]

I become a prefectonish to I'd proably be better for me to mess around in a creatve world to at least get the general outline done]

sorry for the spelling

[dense violet]

I don't really understand why that has any impact on anything? you pick a spot and design aroudn it, either in creative or not , you have the same build items I would hope? because if you didn't have all the build options in normal using objects you can't build in creative isnt' going to help

and hoverpack is essentially fly mode

[jagged nymph]

and you should have plenty of materials too

[dense violet]

yeah dim depots make materials effectively creative mode too if you've automated them

main thing I didn't like about 1.0 was all the new things they added were essentially just a soft creative mode

[jagged nymph]

i mean you can just choose not to use it

[dense violet]

yeah but I would have liked new things that weren't shit

[jagged nymph]

its not shit though

[weak bloom]

the random ore deposits do not respawn right? namely uranium, if I mine it and trash it then it's gone from that location forever?

[dense violet]

the change from u8 to 1.0 was almost nothing for me

[dense violet]

not to you maybe

[jagged nymph]

no matter what they add, someone is gonna have that opinion

they cant make everyone happy

[clear night]

I like to screw around with an area before I can start, I came from Minecraft so planning like crazy is kinda a stupid thing of mine

[dense violet]

then don't tell me what to think of them

[clear night]

That include almost every detail

[jagged nymph]

im not telling you what to think of them

[dense violet]

they added basically nothing new in 1.0 as far as I'm concerned and it was very disapointing

[jagged nymph]

i just said you can choose not to use it

[dense violet]

#satisfactory message

[dense violet]

And I explicietely told you why I disliked 1.0 because it was a huge dissapointment

I think you need to reread things

or work on literacy.

[jagged nymph]

thats my opinion, just like how you think it is shit

[spare prism]

The more biomass burners I have the less they burn right?

[dense violet]

assuming they all have fuel yes

[jagged nymph]

they each burn less individually but as a whole it burns the same amount total

[woven vector]

just a question, do you "lose" some iron if you make 3 split belts compared to 1 single that combines all 3

[dense violet]

the iron ore pm doesn't change no matter how it's split

[jagged nymph]

assuming the belt youre merging them onto can handle enough throughput, no

[dense violet]

it's just spread out more

[spare prism]

I’m using mods but I have biomass burners mk2 and it says it’s eats 16 biofuel per min. I was just wonder if there was a way to make it last longer. It says burn rate is 3.8 seconds

[dense violet]

presumably going to different places

you'd have to ask the modder then, rules go out the window when you're using them

[woven vector]

so i have 3 mines, mk3 belts.

3 into 1 single belt? or 3 separate belts

[jagged nymph]

are all 3 mk3 belts full?

[dense violet]

if your 1 belt is fast enough for the 3 miners? it's fine

are you putting more ore per min on that belt than it can handle?

[woven vector]

yea but idk that

[jagged nymph]

how much ore/m does each miner produce

[dense violet]

the belt tool tip tells you how much it can handle in the build menu

there's short descriptions to all the items

[woven vector]

240 per minute mk2 mines

[tidal dock]

Check your miners too, if they are full of ore, your belts aren't fast enough

[jagged nymph]

so 3 miners each making 240/m?

[dense violet]

how fast are your belts?

[woven vector]

270/m

[near mural]

if i need to split a resource into 3 machines with diffrent specific ratios is my only option generally a manifold

[jagged nymph]

so do you have 3 miners each making 240/m

[dense violet]

ok so you can put 270 parts per min total on it - are your 3 miners making more than 270?

[woven vector]

each miner 240/m

[jagged nymph]

thats the simplest way yes, you could do a load balancer but since its different ratios its hard

[woven vector]

so total 240+240+240 and single belt is just 270

[dense violet]

is 3x240 more than 270?

[jagged nymph]

then no you need a mark 5 belt for that. 240*3=720, 720>270.

[woven vector]

ah

[dense violet]

if yes, you can't but it all on one belt

[near mural]

thank you
i got decimals so i dont think i can load balance 😔

[jagged nymph]

yeah, a manifold is definitely the best choice there

[dense violet]

you can easily load balance into 3 machines

[woven vector]

well ty

[jagged nymph]

he said they each have different ratios including decimals though

[stoic nebula]

i <3 fast belts

[jagged nymph]

so it would be complicated to do that

[dense violet]

oh each machine needs different parts pm? yeah way too much work

[jagged nymph]

oh you are < 3 fast belts? thats a shame, you should get more tbh

[dense violet]

I'm sure it's technically doable but ... why would you

[near mural]

yeah its pretty inconvenient to manifold it into everything i was hoping there was some other solution i hadnt thought of 😭

[jagged nymph]

how are manifolds inconvenient?

[dense violet]

why is it inconvenient to manifold?

[dense violet]

all you need is 1 splitter and it'll self balance

[jagged nymph]

they are the easiest to build, look the cleanest imo and only downside is it takes a minute to saturate, but then it runs perfect

[near mural]

the 3 machines are all far apart in my setup i have rn

[dense violet]

doesn't change anything

sounds like you'd need to send 1 belt out to each anyway right?

[near mural]

omg ur so right 😭

i can just put them here

[jagged nymph]

well load balancing would have to bellt over the same distance, but youd need like a ton of splitters instead of 1

[dense violet]

or move them closer
xD
but having them far apart doesn't change a manifold

[stoic nebula]

boi listen here

[near mural]

the issue would be more like id have the belt sprawling around when im trying to keep everyhting very tight i can expand everything later

but i lwk forgot i can jst put them all next to eachother 😭

[dense violet]

I mean either laod balancing or manifolding would have had the same issues with the machines far apart

but yes you generally can move things closer

[grim carbon]

i know i'm not doing something right with my power setup, but i can't figure out what

i followed the tutorial step by step for fuel powered generators

[dense violet]

overhead images in #math-and-meta or a #1038092680493801533 post 🙂 with details about what you're trying to do and numbers

[last bluff]

Oh! TIL you can split vertical belts

[grim carbon]

1 oil extractor, going to 5 refineries to supposedly produce 300m

[dense violet]

gonna need those images and details in a spot where you can easily talk about them. You can't post images her eand other people will interupt

[woven vector]

do you guys recommend to smelt right near miner or at the end? considering that sometimes u need raw ore

[dense violet]

doesn't matter for that instance - if you have spare raw ore you arne't using you can use it in ither place

and afaik all the raw ore needs tends to be just other ways to 'smelt' things?

[cunning glade]

Is there anything super iron intensive?

Like how pasta is copper?

[last bluff]

Screws (a lot of them)

[cunning glade]

Legit phase 4 rn haven't used them since phase 1

[tidal dock]

I must be missing something cause everything I got takes way more screws than I can realistically produce atm, my machines aren't running full force cause I can't feed them screws fast enough

[dense violet]

you mean faster than your belts can move?

[bleak valley]

spam bot trying to friend me from this server lol

[tidal dock]

one of my recipes takes like 300 screws a minute and my belts do 120

[dense violet]

bolted plate or frame or something? alt recipes yeah
you can always down clock them

but you get faster belts later

[tidal dock]

just seems odd to get that recipe so early when you can't even get belts that speed for a long time after

[warm finch]

report it please

[last bluff]

mk.4 belts my beloved

[dense violet]

once you unlock the item you unlock the alt recipes

[dense violet]

and again, you CAN use them, just under clock the recipe

[tidal dock]

I mean it just makes stuff as it gets them so it's basically underclocked without being underclocked, just seems odd to me. Wish I could add more inputs to the building so I could use like 4 belts lol

[dense violet]

you could technically feed screws on both belts

have 1 belt be a mixed item belt feeding items

[tidal dock]

Didn't think of that, that would work

[dense violet]

it's fiddly but doable xD

there's a few recipes you can get early on that might go over your belt limit too

steel screw has really high outputs though I think it's under mk3 belts

though I can't recall if you get acess to mk3 belts at the same times as steel beams?

[bleak valley]

You unlock them with steel iirc

[dense violet]

because if you get Steel Screws before mk3 belts 1 machine outputs 260pm and you only have 120pm belts

[dense violet]

ok well at least you can run Steel Screws at 100% then , just can't really OC them xD

There's a few other instances where your machine output can be higher than your belt pretty easily if you OC at all

[tidal dock]

I did just unlock steel so maybe I'll get lucky with that recipe

[dense violet]

Steel screw is VERY useful for screw recipes. Surprisingly. Lets you do thigns real compact

though mk3 belts are still 270 so you'd be able to have Bolted plate recipes at 100% then 🙂

[bleak valley]

I should use alt recipes more

[spare prism]

hi, im bored

[low ingot]

yeah they tend to help alot

[dense violet]

they are the bread and butter to this game honestly - no single best path to do anything in any location

[bleak valley]

I used alt recipes for more complicated parts but I tend to ignore stuff like iron wire and steel screws tbh

[dense violet]

well with the right recipes you can build Computers and Supercomputers entirely from caterium and oil 🙂

[spare prism]

[bleak valley]

That’s interesting I might have to hunt more hard drives

The ones im using the most current are for fuel and alumina

The urge to restart is strong I feel like I could do a lot better

[tidal dock]

So my options are basic iron ingot and solid steel ingot, both seem really good, which one is better?

[bleak valley]

Maybe I should make some friends and get a multiplayer save alongside my solo main one

[dense violet]

both are situational - do you need more steel or iron atm?

you can use both in tandem too - basic iron to solid steel

[dense violet]

restarting can help some people, but can lead to burnout. Excellent for polishing skills though

[tidal dock]

Well I mean I need more of everything right now lol

[dense violet]

flipl a coin 🙂 Solid steel is a very general recipe - good anywhere you need steel basically

[bleak valley]

I do feel like I’m heading towards burnout on my main save with how awkward everything is to build around

[deft drum]

So the alts for that are

Quickwire cable
Plastic AI limiter
Caterium computer
And caterium circuit board

Correct?

[dense violet]

A fresh start could help?
though imo the tiers are basically a tutorial to help you out when you unlock everything for a more sand boxy situation

[bleak valley]

Solid steel is iron ingots and coal to make a steel ingot right

[dense violet]

a few others help but I think those are the core ones

[deft drum]

I'd go solid steel

[bleak valley]

That one is the basis of my steel factory I love it

[dense violet]

like tempered caterium ingot is nice

[deft drum]

Solid steel ingot feeds 1:1 with steel beams

[dense violet]

plus heavy oil residue , diluted fuel, recycled plubber

[tidal dock]

Steel it is!

[bleak valley]

Heavy oil residue is very nice

I gotta unlock blenders so I can upgrade my fuel power station to a turbo fuel

[dense violet]

compared to base Steel you need less resources buildings and power. Same resource types too

[deft drum]

Also solid steel gives you more steel per input of coal and iron ingots

[tidal dock]

sounds wonderful to me

[dense violet]

look, all alt recipes have their usefulness in different situations, some alts just are better than the base recipes though. Not many of those though

[bleak valley]

Cast screws

[deft drum]

Steel screws my beloved

[dense violet]

that one is arguable - you can do Steel Rod -> Base Screw and save a bunch on resources

[deft drum]

Cast screws big advantage is eliminating a constructor

Which for the early game can be a godsend

[bleak valley]

I’m using cast screws to make a little over 900 per minute for my main factory

[tidal dock]

cast screws was the very first one I picked up and it was super helpful

[bleak valley]

Loading up my save with some nice rain going outside gonna have a nice night

[dense violet]

I really just want more weather in the game

[tidal dock]

if it doesn't effect gameplay I would be cool with that

[bleak valley]

It would be nice to have more variety

Is it possible to make a save offline after starting it as a friends online

[dense violet]

yup

[bleak valley]

How

Ok nevermind it just let me in this time

[dense violet]

you could also pop that save into a dedicated server and it'll work

[hybrid nymph]

Cast screws are super helpful

It's one less step, even though steel screws make more

I love alt recipes

[obtuse kraken]

holy fuck im actually gonna go insane bro

i just finished the constructers on my factory then realized i need to redo the entire thing so the assemblers line up

[hybrid nymph]

Oof 😣

That's rough buddy

[obtuse kraken]

i didnt know at the time i had an alt recipie and now that i am doing it i realize if i put stuff next to each other i could make it simpler on myself

[weak bloom]

why are there so many giant spiders in the red forest aaaaaaaaaaa

[peak wasp]

Thats why blue prints exist, Imagine only having to delete 3 or 5 modules instead of hundreds of belts pipes etc

[spare prism]

Goodnight, more factory tomorrow

[hybrid nymph]

goodnight

[ornate saffron]

they wanty hugs.

[hybrid nymph]

the red forest is a dangerous place, but a lot of sloops and mercer spheres there

as well as slugs

I've not had time to plauy the last 3 days, been super busy with school/work

it's made me sad...

[ornate saffron]

sucks but life comes first

[weak bloom]

not gonna lie I'm downloading the mod that removes the spiders >_>
I actually can't take it anymore it's too much. even on passive, they still skitter around and make the noises and jump and are super fast and it's too much for me x_x

like honestly props to them for making those spiders utterly terrifying but jfc it's too much lol

[peak wasp]

I never realized how crazy it was spawning in the grassland biome and realizing how high up exactly the forest and rest of the map is, what's up with that

[weak bloom]

turning them into cats doesn't even really help

[ornate saffron]

uh, you can just do that in the game

[inner ruin]

bro wouldnt survive 2010 minecraft

[peak wasp]

I miss 2010 minecraft so much

[hybrid nymph]

I had today off for school, but after I got homework, so might not be online till about midnight

[weak bloom]

it just turns them into cats....? unless I'm missing a setting

[peak wasp]

I'm on my work weekend rn, so I got 2 days of gaming

[ornate saffron]

there is a setting to turn them off too

[peak wasp]

Stupid random question, but what would be the best major to help play games like satisfactory easier?

[hybrid nymph]

I miss 2015 minecraft, 1.7.10...I miss you 1.7.10 FTB Infinity...

[weak bloom]

whaaaat? where is it?

[cunning glade]

okay finally got all of the bauxite on the map hooked up too trains now its limestone time

[hybrid nymph]

engineering?

[peak wasp]

I'm trying to go back to college soon and want a degree that'll help me play these games easily

[hybrid nymph]

What do I know?

[peak wasp]

Idk maybe someone does, I figured logistical engineering?

[hybrid nymph]

I'm just a poliical scientist, economist, and English teacher

[peak wasp]

Is an econ and poly sci degree worth it?

[ornate saffron]

its a advanced option and odes turn off achievments

[peak wasp]

So you're an actual teacher dang I miss english classes those and math were the best

[hybrid nymph]

I would say yes, you can go into business with it

I am a tutor at Princeton University

[cunning glade]

just deal with them like a real pioneer

[weak bloom]

ah. might stick with the mod then because it still keeps achievements on and adds a recipe to get the mam completion

[peak wasp]

That's crazy I'm in cali trying to find the best schools to get into

That I'd be able to wiht a 2.0 gpa 😂

[hybrid nymph]

mods don't disable achievements THANK GOD!

[ornate saffron]

i did this during my update 8 playthrough by mistake

[cunning glade]

now time too hook up 14k limestone😭

[hybrid nymph]

Try Utah Valley University in Provo Utah, that's where I went

they'll accept you, I guarantee it

I graduated top of my class from that University, wrote the best thesis of my graduating class and made the dean's list 6 times

great school and very affordable, only about 1.6k a semester

enough about that, what are you guys working on right now?

[weak bloom]

train through the red forest for a bunch of bauxite, quartz, and coal

[inner ruin]

sounds Satisfactory to me

[weak bloom]

and by "through" I mean "over" because I ain't dealing with those spiders which I also just removed

[hybrid nymph]

awesome @weak bloom I need to work on that eventually

there is a pure uranium node in the red forest

[weak bloom]

I really like the sky train setup I have going

#screenshots message

[hybrid nymph]

awesome, nevcer tried sky trains, always just did ground trains, but I'm basic

[inner ruin]

theres a massive flying thing which keeps going over the first place. am i supposed to "remove" that

[weak bloom]

basically just zoop 10 foundations, slap the blueprint, repeat. got one at a 2m ramp angle as well. and then go back and delete the foundations in between each section while I connect the tracks, and then build pillars to the ground

[hybrid nymph]

nice sounds super easy

[weak bloom]

it's a LOT easier than trying to build the pillars from the ground up

[hybrid nymph]

I have never used blueprints before

[cunning glade]

Dang desert only has 10k limestone

[hybrid nymph]

I am currently working on my imrpoved coal plant, with 64 generators

I need to use the vanilla uprades mod to upgrade the base clock speed of the coal gens to 150%

so each coal gen will now make 112.5 MW each

[cunning glade]

Coal power really ain't that good tbh

[hybrid nymph]

now instead of those coal gens making 4800MW they will now make 7200MW

I know coal power is old school, I know fuekl is better, but when I find a coal source I try to make the most of it

[ornate saffron]

AUTO CONNECT AND NUDGE CAN BY PASS THE FOUNDATIONS TOO

cap lock

[cunning glade]

I did biomass and coal till oil and then one oil plant lasted me till rocket fuel

I'm hoping this rocketfuel will last me

[hybrid nymph]

should I make all of those coal sources into compacted coal for turbofuel or use the compacted coal for coal gens? I am making about 600 sulfur/min extra right now and have nothin to do with it

[cunning glade]

One of my builds is gonna use 150gw so

[weak bloom]

honestly I don't trust autoconnect for train tracks lol. and it's easier for me to route the train in the specific direction i want just by like, pointing my camera there and zooping a foundation forward

[cunning glade]

Turbofuel way more worth it

I just did normal oil and made 60gw

[hybrid nymph]

let's do a little math

I can produce 400^3m of fuel from each pure oil source

[inner ruin]

god dammit ive been playing this nearly 8 hours..

[low ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

oof

[hybrid nymph]

and according to the wiki that produces 328^3m of turbofuel per minute

[bleak valley]

Could also use some of that coal for steel and aluminum and such

[hybrid nymph]

which means since each fuel gen uses 18.75^3m/min you can run 17 overclocked fuel gens

[cunning glade]

Worst part of this build is the fact it won't run at 100% for a while

[last bluff]

MOAR BOMBS

[bleak valley]

I just unlocked the blender and man I’m confused

[hybrid nymph]

wow so 10625 MW for each pure oil node, that's not half bad

[cunning glade]

About?

[bleak valley]

Where to even start with it

[dense violet]

same as any other machine - plan the manifolds

[bleak valley]

I haven’t looked into sulfur at all so maybe there

[last bluff]

There's a lot of Blender tutorials online! 👍

[dense violet]

like a manufacturer but possibly 2 fluids

[hybrid nymph]

so 7200 MW from compacted coal gens vs 10625mw from fuel gens, FUEL IS BETTER!

[cunning glade]

Fuck the next question is where do I even put this build

[dense violet]

what resources do you need?

[inner ruin]

in the world somewhere

[cunning glade]

They're all being delivered by train

In process of hooking up the 14k limestone I need for it

[dense violet]

seems like extra work - you can usually put it pretty close to most resources

[bleak valley]

That’s a good first step but I’ve heard the lower atmosphere has good real estate

[dense violet]

are you using wet concrete at least? or are you trying to do cheap silica?

[cunning glade]

Cheap silica

[dense violet]

ah, bauxite?

Never found the regular alum ingot recipe worth the work

[cunning glade]

Ye bring quartz down to only 9k

[woven vector]

there is a big rock cracked on an iron ore mine, how can i break it?

[dense violet]

bombs

[cunning glade]

Well 8785.71/m

[cunning glade]

Without it I could only make 12k didn't have a choice

[dense violet]

there's generally ways to reduce the consumption of bauxite too. And just make less

[last bluff]

I have the slight urge to pump water hundreds of meter up or whatever height the north desert is compared to the cliffs

[dense violet]

like heat fused frames.
dramatic reduction

[cunning glade]

So my nuclear setup is gonna need 10k not slooped

And then my p5 parts is like 3k

[dense violet]

oh is this some ficsonium thing?

[cunning glade]

Already using alts with tools

[cunning glade]

Yes 112 a min

I should have enough stuff left on the map

If I mathed right

Worst case mods

[bitter niche]

what's Fisconium?

[cunning glade]

Fun stuff

[dense violet]

punishment for burning plutonium rods when you don't have to

[cunning glade]

But it's fun

And cool cuz ficsit

[bitter niche]

si there a way to combine plutonium and uranium to make MOX nuclear fuel rods? Like in real nuclear reactors?

[dense violet]

essentially people didn't want to burn uranium rods because there was permanent waste, so they introduced plutonium rods to recycle the waste. Then you could choose to burn it or not

but then people who couldn't stop themselves from burning the P rods bitched and bitched about the waste

[bitter niche]

there's probably a mod that removes the waste, right?

I would think there is?

[dense violet]

there's probably a mod to make dragons fly out your butt. That's not really a useful approach

[bitter niche]

I'm still pretty new to this, I'm only on tier 3

I just barely got to coal

[cunning glade]

I think fics rods are cool

[dense violet]

Coal is great 🙂 enjoy it. Burn lots

[cunning glade]

Tho them being so sam intensive is a little silly

[dense violet]

they should be more sam intensive. A bigger punishment

[bitter niche]

why would the devs design nuclear to be punishing?

seems like a dumb decision

[cunning glade]

224 singularity cells and 540 dark matter crystals are good enough

[dense violet]

nuclear is fine. Ficsonium is teh heavily intense process of processing plutonium waste

[cunning glade]

It's more of a fun challenge

[bitter niche]

why can't you just store plutonium waste indefinitly?

[cunning glade]

U can

[dense violet]

You can do nuclear power while NEVER getting plutonium waste

[bitter niche]

are you suggesting you can awesome sink the plutonium fuel rods?

[cunning glade]

What I'm doing burns the waste fully

[dense violet]

or used in vehicles

[wispy osprey]

Makes vehicles radioactive though

[bitter niche]

oh nice vehicles

[dense violet]

automated iodine filters make it a non issue

[bitter niche]

that sounds fun

iodine filters?

[dense violet]

radioactive protection

[cunning glade]

There's a mod for nuclear jetpack too

[bitter niche]

oh...

[cunning glade]

Wish it was in base game

[dense violet]

but you're probably not going to be sitting on top of an atomic truck for ages either

[bitter niche]

does a truck become radioactive with plutonium fuel rods inside of it?

[wispy osprey]

You typically want to route before you fill it up anyway and then let AI drive it

It just depends on how far you want to plan ahead

[last bluff]

What does SAM-intensive mean? I had the two nodes close together (north desert cliffs next to dunes and that north mushroom woods area) which were less than 1000 metres apart I think, and I never really utilized more than one

[cunning glade]

There's 10k on the map I need 15k

[topaz shale]

If I ever do nuclear, I think I'll try my hand at doing the entire chain in order to have zero waste.

[dense violet]

sure but you can drive it with protection. OR use a dif fuel for that

[last bluff]

10k? Isn't it bottomless?

[bitter niche]

Nice nuclear powered vehicles? Like batman's car?

[cunning glade]

Yes there's only so much per min tho

[low ingot]

theres actually a node like that to setup 🙂

[last bluff]

In an alternative universe, people's liver stops working for 20 seconds when Batman drives by

[bitter niche]

oh...

Batman's car sounds dangerous now lol

[last bluff]

I'm surprised vehicles become radioactive

Imagine if atomic submarines did 5% damage per few seconds to crew on board irl

[ornate saffron]

Ficsit only has property, not staff or employees

[near mural]

anyone have any interesting ideas for towers to use for railways i jst got a frame tower for them rn and its real boring

[dense violet]

search function
in:design has:image rail

get you lots of hits

[dense violet]

for example #design-and-architecture message

[near mural]

thank you 🙏

[woven vector]

should i make more smelters than one per miner?

or 1 per is fine

[dense violet]

make as many as you need for the ore you're feeding them

[main mantle]

Think amd 9 9955hx and a rtx 5060 is good enough for a huge factory?

[dense violet]

plan things with numbers, not machines.
if you're ouitputing 60 ore pm you'll likely need 2 smelters as teh recipes process 30 pm right?

[bleak valley]

A default smelter only does 30 per minute and a default miner on a normal node does 60 per minute so it would be half efficiency

[woven vector]

damn thanks

[hybrid nymph]

smelters only smelt 30 ingots per mninute, I would recommend ALWAYS overclocking miners to the max if you can afford the power needs

[bleak valley]

Yeah just make sure to check the miner as it says the output per minute and place the appropriate number of smelters

[woven vector]

you mean overclock smelters?

[hybrid nymph]

I always do 3 smelters per mk1 miner

no, overclock the miner

leave the smelters as is

[bleak valley]

I always overclock my smelters lol less of them to worry about connecting

[hybrid nymph]

yeah, overclocking the smelters does save space, but it costs more power, which in the early game you might not be able to afford increased power consumption needs

[bleak valley]

True

I’d say once a good coal plant is going though it’s fine

[woven vector]

how do u overclock?

[hybrid nymph]

a smelter consumes like 35MW fully overclocked, which is about 6 times the power consumption that a single one does

[bleak valley]

Research power slugs in the mam

[hybrid nymph]

you need to unlock it in the MAM by researching power slugs

[woven vector]

yea ngl not doing that

will do 3 smelters

[hybrid nymph]

the MAM is your best friend

[bleak valley]

The MAM is very important

Lots of useful things inside

[hybrid nymph]

even ADA agrees

[bleak valley]

True I only ever put it to 200% though so it’s 1:1 with mk1 miners

[woven vector]

i wanna sho u what im doing where can i upload picture

[bleak valley]

I’m gonna get back on the game talking about it just makes me want to play lol

[bleak valley]

#screenshots is a good place usually

[hybrid nymph]

if you can afford the power, please overclock, if you can't don't do it

[bleak valley]

I might add a second floor to my steel factory

[woven vector]

go look xd

[bleak valley]

I don’t think I even need it but I can do it

[bleak valley]

Not bad very clean belts

[hybrid nymph]

at least the belts aren't overlapping, but still lots of belts

[woven vector]

i hate when they overlap

[hybrid nymph]

I do too, but sometimes it's unavoidable

my belts are mostly organized, but they overlap on the ceiling

[bleak valley]

Yeah I totally never clip anything

[hybrid nymph]

I just figured out how to make the belts and pipes do a 90 degree turn

[bleak valley]

(I get lazy)

[hybrid nymph]

just the other day I figured this out

[woven vector]

will i need raw copper/iron from phase 3 on?

like actual raw one

[hybrid nymph]

yes you will, for basic materials like cable, wire, reinforced plantes etc

[woven vector]

but thats cooked one

[hybrid nymph]

basic materials are very important

[dense violet]

there's more resources on the map than you can reasonably ever use - dont' worry about it

[bitter niche]

how big is the map?

[dense violet]

7km across or so

[bitter niche]

woah...

so the grassy fields is just a small part of it?

that's where I started

I've only explored about 1500 meters in each direction

I stumbled upon a bauxite vein

do I need that for later?

[fickle locust]

No one seems to have answered but yes definitely

[bitter niche]

I noticed there's no research tree in the MAM for bauxite

[dense violet]

nope

[fickle locust]

Bauxite will get unlocked later
You're doing some very good exploration to have found that

[hybrid nymph]

I have a 2070 Super Overclocked and I play at 1440p and I still get like 100FPS at max settings

you'll be fine

[fickle locust]

Oh wait you probably mean a bauxite deposit, the little ones where you mine 50 or so and then it disappears?

[bitter niche]

no a bauxite vein

the the source

the big orange stone on the ground

[fickle locust]

The one you can't put a miner on

[dense violet]

some deposits are random

you'll find nodes later

[bitter niche]

oh BTW in response to the system requirements, I have a Ryzen 5 3600 and an RTX 3060 and it's a gaming laptop, is that good enough for 1080P?

[hybrid nymph]

should be, yes

[dense violet]

I'm not great with my cpus but that's a fairly old one I think. Might struggle in general. It's a cpu heavy game

might need to really decentralise your factories so they are spread out

[hybrid nymph]

it should be fine

I don't see why it wouldn't be, seeing as how most gaming computers from best buy come with around those specs. what year is it?

[bitter niche]

It's a 2024 ASUS gaming laptop I bought from micro center

[fickle locust]

The game is very well optimized. It will slow down as you build more stuff so by the end you can have some effects from that, but you'll be able to play the whole time on 1080p.

[ornate saffron]

this is what i have. I play at 30 fps high. Lag while destroying rocks beyonmd that it is fine

[bitter niche]

It was originally a $1600 laptop, and I got it for $750 for school

brand new 60% off on black Friday

[dense violet]

companies often put decent parts they advertise well in prebuilts, like a gtx3060, but don't equip the rest of the set up very well :\

[bitter niche]

is Micro center a good brand?

[fickle locust]

I need to emphasize to everyone this is a laptop 3060 not a desktop version

[dense violet]

never heard of it until now, but often times with any pre built rigs you need to look at all the parts when trying to figure out if it's a good deal or not

[bitter niche]

it's still the same GPU right? I can run Killing Floor 2 at max setting at 60FPS

[fickle locust]

Micro Center is the store that sells these, it does have a good reputation. ASUS is the brand that actually made the machine.
And no, a laptop 3060 is downscaled significantly so it can actually fit

[dense violet]

the gpu is alright yeah, but the cpu is apparently 7 years old?

[bitter niche]

I duynno?

[bleak valley]

I don’t know how people make massive aluminum factories just trying to balance three machines is killing me

[bitter niche]

I bought it because it was affordable

[dense violet]

was just looking it up.

[bitter niche]

it has worked well for my needs,

[fickle locust]

I'm very confused by the CPU here. I can't find this product on the Asus ROG site

[dense violet]

oh yeah it's totally fair. Just something to look for when looking at the parts next time

[woven vector]

so i did splitter and 3 going in smelter, should i also do same as output?

[bitter niche]

I can play borderlands and kjilling floor on it as well as this game at at least 60FPS at 1080p, so I don't honestly see the issue?

[fickle locust]

The point is the laptop is going to be fine, it's better than most people's desktops, but it's also going to hit limits faster earlier than the 3x-as-expensive desktops that some people here have

There's no issue and telling you there is one would be pure snobbishness

[dense violet]

if you want?

[dense violet]

there's no single 'right' solution for this

[bitter niche]

okay that' a relief, thanks guys

[hybrid nymph]

Your PC is fine, even for a laptop, as long as you can get 60FPS in your games, there is no issue

[woven vector]

but do i get any benefit by combining all in 1 belt or having 3 separate per each

[bleak valley]

It’s easier to work with less belts but if the output is more than your belt can carry you’ll need multiple

[woven vector]

if nothing changes then ofc better 1 belt merger

ah yea 1 belt will be fine

[bleak valley]

MK1 belts can only carry 60 per minute so if your smelting more than that you’ll need multiple

[dense violet]

depends where you're sending them

do you need them all going to different places? probably keep them seperate

[obtuse kraken]

Guys is it possible to unlock alt recipes for stuff you haven’t unlocked yet like oil?

[dense violet]

no

[bleak valley]

I was able to unlock an alt for turbo fuel without having it researched in the mam

[dense violet]

all turbo fuel recipes are considered 'alts' though

[bleak valley]

Interesting

[hybrid nymph]

Nope, you need to be the right tier to unlock the recipes that you're using

Turbofuel is unlocked through the MAM

[dense violet]

it exists in a weird little situation yeah

[ornate saffron]

I often skip turbo. Its a nice to have but not really needed. and i found when i did build it i always tore it down later

[dense violet]

very skipable

diluted fuel does so much on it's own

[bleak valley]

I’m finding out my main factory is clogged I’d have to rebuild my top floor of manufacturers to fix it

[ornate saffron]

speaking of which I was hope to get by on phase 3 with only 300 oil worth of that and no such luck

[ornate saffron]

clogeged as in you have built to much parts?

[bleak valley]

Yeah too many of lower level parts the machines are full and enough isn’t being used

[ornate saffron]

can you just shunt the excess away using overflow, to Awesome sinks and get those sweet tickets

[bleak valley]

I might actually just need to underclock one machine I’m making 6 smart plating a minute and the manufacturer only needs 5 so it’s backed up the entire line

Either that or find space for another manufacturer and have them both take 3 per minute

[ornate saffron]

you could overclock the manufacturer too ya?

[bleak valley]

It’s already at Max

It’s making modular engines

[ornate saffron]

ah

[bleak valley]

Alright sinking extra smart plating now

Hopefully that clears the rest of the line too

[ornate saffron]

i crashed hard after work for hour hours, ill be going back to bed in 40 so i can get another REM cycle b4 work

always

strike

[last bluff]

insomnia hours 🥳

wait a second

this is the wrong server

[verbal dagger]

why are my buildings hovering a tile off the ground when I try to build them? #screenshots message

[last bluff]

let's forget about this

[ornate saffron]

this happened to me once. Restarting my PC ficed it

[last bluff]

ficsit mentioned!

oh I am a minute slow

aren't we all

does someone have a blueprint for pal sphere manufacturing?

[ornate saffron]

I know!

[verbal dagger]

i just restarted the game and it fixed it. I probably could have just reloaded the save.

[ornate saffron]

LIKELY

[ornate saffron]

glad its been figured out

[verbal dagger]

ok, now my smart splitter isn't allowing things to go into my storage

the items are just backed up at the input

do you have to put the smart splitter DIRECTLY on the input of the storage? or can it just be on the belt?

[hollow hemlock]

smart splitter can go anywhere a regular splitter can go (aka on the belt)

[bleak valley]

I’m slowly purging the yellow lights from my factory

[hybrid nymph]

You know that ADA actually quotes Ozzy Osbourne

You know she actually says, "maybe I'll see you on the other side..."

[ornate frost]

iron pipe + steel rotors is a godsend

im so lucky that I just happened to grab those alts without thinking about it too much

[verbal dagger]

doesn't it have to be on the input of the storage?

[hollow hemlock]

depends on your goals I suppose

you can put it wherever

[verbal dagger]

how does it detect if there is overflow?

someone else said it had to be on the input

[hybrid nymph]

I said that quote to my driving instructor on the last day of school when I was a freshman in high school, I said to him "maybe I'll see you on the other side"

Which I just looked up the original origin of that quote, Google does not know but it's widely attributed to astronaut Gene Cernan when he said to his fellow astronauts will flying behind the back of the Moon "maybe I'll see you on the other side"

[bleak valley]

Man people weren’t joking when they said you’d miss a tiny bit of mk2 belt and slow down your entire production lmao

[hollow hemlock]

well that would be the goal you failed to state. If your goal is "fill the container, and dump the rest" then obviously it needs to be on the input of said container

[hybrid nymph]

And at that moment Gene Cernan was the loneliest person in the universe, because he was flying in the lunar module on around the back side of the moon and the closest people to him were on the front of the moon, and the closest people after that were all the way back on Earth 373,000 km away

[bleak valley]

My efficiency has gone up a beautiful sea of green lights

[hybrid nymph]

Think about that, Mr cernan was the loneliest person that has ever been in the history of humanity as he was the furthest away from any human that a human has ever been

[bleak valley]

Just ignoring the aluminum

[hybrid nymph]

I see trees of Green, red roses too, and I think to myself... What a wonderful world 🌎

[bleak valley]

The train isn’t bringing enough ingots in for my factory so now I have to see if I’m not producing enough or if the train is a bottleneck

[ornate frost]

if the other outputs get full/stuck/whatever, it will start sending the input on the side set as the overflow. its automatic, you just have to be aware of where you place it

[hybrid nymph]

The train likely is the bottleneck, there is a way to figure it out though you have to figure out how long it takes for the train to do a delivery, and you also have to figure out how many items you're getting per second with the belts

Each train car can carry 32 stacks of items

[bleak valley]

The train cars aren’t being filled up

Not even half and it’s only one car

[hybrid nymph]

Then you're not producing enough

Good for you, you found the problem

[bleak valley]

Guess I’ll go mess with the aluminum again

I think I just need to get rid of the waste water and pump fully fresh if it’s not fixed yet

[hybrid nymph]

There is another option, since the train depot has two input ports you can connect two belts up to it. Assuming how you're on aluminum that means that you are using MK4 belts,

[bleak valley]

I am using both ports yeah on loading and unloading

[hybrid nymph]

If you're using Mark 4 belts, that allows you to transport up to 960 items per minute, and extract 960 items per minute from the train depot

[bleak valley]

All of the lights are green so that means I just have to expand my aluminum

[hybrid nymph]

Doesn't a green light mean the machine is idling?

[bleak valley]

Yellow is idle

Green is actively crafting

[hollow hemlock]

green means it is missing its power shards 😄

[bleak valley]

The aluminum split into such a nice number I didn’t bother overclocking

18 smelters

[hybrid nymph]

Actually just looked at the wiki. Apparently this is what it means: green means the machine is running normally, yellow means the machine is idling, red means the machine doesn't have power, and blue means the machine is running normally and is overclocked

[bleak valley]

Oh nope there’s the yellow

I think the overflow protection I had was actually making me be under

I removed it gonna see if it works better

[verbal dagger]

when the server restarts, do i have to be logged out of the game?

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah you need to reload

[verbal dagger]

my smart splitter appears to not be working when it should be. it's not putting out any overflow on the right even though I have it set to do that. #screenshots message

[bleak valley]

It’ll only send through the overflow if the other options are backed up

[verbal dagger]

thats just it, it is backed up

thats why I took the screenshot

[hollow hemlock]

make sure the belt is actually connected and not being tricksy

[verbal dagger]

something was screwy with the belts, probably not connected to the splitter or something

ty

[bleak valley]

Yeah that happens often

I’ve also had smart splitters just refuse to work before at all I had to replace and reprogram them

[verbal dagger]

there were two belts, one on the output of the smart splitter and one on the input, and one or both of them probably wasnt hooked up to it

[last bluff]

one belt two belt red belt blue belt

[ornate frost]

power grid exploded. its a problem for tomorrow.

🪦

[gloomy tusk]

Rest in peace factory

[sour schooner]

Hey. Is it even possible to make a blueprint that is for autoconnecting double rails on pillars? I have such blueprint, but the autoconnect only works if pillars is very close to each other. I thought, the autoconnect will make building the rails much easier but in practice I cant make it work.

[dense violet]

I think you need to line them up well

Zoop foundations the whole way first snd print your towers on those

[normal orbit]

should be possible, i'm conneting 4 rails at once. But i've build supports so theres 0 distance

[lavish echo]

Is there a way so I dont have to be on to produce stuff ? like a setting or something

[normal orbit]

yea its working fine on my end. click once to connect, then just drag it away to max length (12.5 foudnations)

[warm finch]

either increase your production while you're in game or leave the game running

[lavish echo]

I hate the neutron star being on while I sleep 🙁

[warm finch]

then increase your production per minute while you are online

[normal orbit]

yea 1: produce more, 2: leave game on, 3:play on a dedicated server

[reef basin]

the point of the game isn't to afk for resources 🙂

make more instead of relying on production when not at PC

[sour schooner]

the thing is that I want my rails in a natural way, so Im building the pillars on the ground. But even on foundations, and even if the rails are perfectly lined up, autoconnect can only work over like 2 foundation distance.. #screenshots Here 1 more nudge and it cant connect.

[normal orbit]

are you nudging it?

cause click ocne to lock connect you can move it freely

[sour schooner]

really????????? I have to try this

lol, thanks man 😄

[warm finch]

is a pump (powered/unpowered) necessary to prevent blackflow of gases? I cannot remember

[reef basin]

you cannot prevent backflow of anything

you can prevent flow from one side of pump/vavle to another, but any pipe section can (and probably will) have backflow

[warm finch]

yes that is what I mean, to keep gases from blocking or restricting blender output

[reef basin]

what's the use-case?

[normal orbit]

unpowered pumps are an awful idea. use a valve instead. unpower pumps will eliminate all headlift past it

[reef basin]

valves are awful idea, build pipes so that the output isn't blocked

[warm finch]

how do you propose to do that in order to keep blender output flowing?

or just suck it up and build an extra pipe feedback loop as if it was fluid?

[normal orbit]

just use a powered pump

[reef basin]

why is it blocked? not enough flow?

[next ivy]

pipe full probably

[warm finch]

pushing right at the 600m3 limit of the pipe

[reef basin]

yeah, then I'd do the loop and see if it helps
gasses are afaik weird in that regard and loop doesn't always help

[warm finch]

that's what I was afraid of. powered pump works great in that situation. Granted I always combine it with a feedback loop as well for redundancy.

[reef basin]

powered pump isn't so bad indeed, also an option. I just don't recommend it much as I don't think it's a good solution to spam pumps everywhere until it works 😄

[warm finch]

agreed and not how I roll lol. I don't have much experience with gas so I'm learning. this is my first "large" scale rocket fuel production project

@reef basin powered pump instantly cured the issue

strange that it would work for both gas and fluids

[normal orbit]

cuz pumps do more than just headlift

[jaunty jewel]

gas is a fluid

[frail sleet]

Powered pumps allow fluid to flow from a less full pipe to a more full one, so long as neither are completely full. That can make flow continue in the desired direction, rather than reversing.

They are as close to a magic fix as you can get with the current fluid system

[warm finch]

not talking about fluids fyi

[reef basin]

fluid = gas + liquid btw

[jaunty jewel]

gas is a fluid

fluid != liquid

[frail sleet]

fluid includes liquid and gas

[warm finch]

my bad. liquids

[frail sleet]

it's.. stuff that isn't a solid object

yeah i am specifically saying that powered pumps can improve gas flow (especially if you have a bunch of stuff chained together like a manifold, or if there is any type of buffering)

with a mechanism that has nothing to do with headlift

[normal orbit]

definition of fluid iirc is any substance that continously deforms under sheer stress or applied force

which funnily enough makes glass a fluid

[next ivy]

phase, tier, stage
typa logic

[warm finch]

oh hell, I figured out the problem. damn pipe didn't take for some reason. while it looked good visually it didn't connect.

no wonder

[frail sleet]

That just happens sometimes, even if you play perfectly. Like 0.1% of the time lol

i recorded myself playing for like 100hrs to make sure that i was clicking in the right place etc and it still happened.

Maybe some weirdness with placing it exactly as the game stutters or something

[jaunty jewel]

?

[warm finch]

yup, 1400+ hours and still happens to me. frustrating trying to dianoise flow issues until you find that ONE specific pipe that doesn't connect.

[next ivy]

so far my definition was fluid = liquid
(not satisfactory specific)

[frail sleet]

I literally had batches of like 32 pipes which were placed with a blueprint, i'd place the same BP 10 times, and on one of the times only one pipe in the middle was unconnected for no reason. With exact position snapping and everything 😛

[jaunty jewel]

fluid = liquid and gas (in terms of whats in satis at least)

[warm finch]

I honestly wouldn't mind it too much if there was a quick way to turn off or stand by fuel generators. Since there isn't, it's tedious having to offline each one specific

[reef basin]

fluids (both irl and in satis) include both liquids and gasses

[jaunty jewel]

true itd be nice to have a thing similar to a power switch that turns off connected machines

[normal orbit]

you can connect power line after filling em :p

[warm finch]

now to flood the system again and then go back and turn on all the gens 1 by 1, again, lol

[warm finch]

too risky for me to try and delete a little wire, faster to just zip around putting them on standby. just HAS to be a better way to do it on back end for qol

[jaunty jewel]

you can select just wires and delete wires

[next ivy]

sand is a fluid

[warm finch]

still the issue of deleting the wrong wire and not seeing it lol.

[frosty sedge]

Powder it's a solid

Well by definition

[normal orbit]

you dont have to do it. can just turn on the flow and let it fill. It doesnt take very long, like half an hour-hour if it working properly

[next ivy]

so how small do the particles have to become to be classified as fluid

[frosty sedge]

Not a clue but pretty small

[jaunty jewel]

whihc wire could you accidebtally miss? surely your fuel gens are facing a separate direction to everything else

[reef basin]

having particles that easily move and change their relative position without a separation of the mass and that easily yield to pressure : capable of flowing

[warm finch]

a wire off in the distance, or a connecting wire somewhere. happened too many times. I STILL have nightmares of crashing entire powergrids and spending hours getting them all back onlined (this was before priority power switches lol)

[reef basin]

not at all

[next ivy]

is that the definition of fluid

looks like it

still dont quite see why sand isnt a fluid

[normal orbit]

no, sand is not a fluid cause the individual grains are considered solids and they do not interact with each other in a way that would define a fluid

[reef basin]

Because "particle of sand" isn't "grain of sand"

[normal orbit]

it doesnt contiously deform

[next ivy]

does water continously deform

[normal orbit]

yes

[next ivy]

how

[reef basin]

"particle" is meant on molecular level

in the same way that plastic balls aren't fluid even though they can flow, because the ball itself is solid (plastic)

[normal orbit]

water deforms continoutly when you apply force or sheer stress to it. like for exampe, pumping it

you cannot pump sand

[next ivy]

you cant ?

[normal orbit]

no

[next ivy]

vacuuming does not count as pumping i guess ?

[normal orbit]

vacuuming up sand grains doesnt make it flow like a fluid

[next ivy]

i guess you are technically pumping air, and sand is just being dragged along

[tacit ocean]

its about aerating the sand for it to behave like that

[normal orbit]

at which point its now a granular system and still not a fluid

tho it can exhibit fluid like behaviour

[reef basin]

you're still thinking that "particle of sand" is one grain

[next ivy]

assumption

[reef basin]

that's not what the definition assumes tho

the definition assumes "particle" is indeed a particle

not arbitrarily chosen blob of particles

[normal orbit]

also just looked in my fundamentals of momentum, mass and heat transfer book. They define fluids there as ability to flow because their molecules are not rigidly bound and can slide past each other"

so in a grain of sand, molecules of SiO2 would be rigidly bound

[next ivy]

ok so molecular level

[reef basin]

hence "particles" 🙂

[magic void]

Just built a new fuel gen plant and about 3 of my 16 fuel gens are surging on/off. Theyre not getting fuel fast enough it seems? The pipe even shows extra fuel in it though.

[normal orbit]

they might still be in process of being filled

check the one before if its at 50 or not

[magic void]

It has been about an hour and a half, and the others are at 50. These last 4 are just trickling fuel in much slower for some reason

[normal orbit]

could be a few reasons. you're not actually making enough fuel, check refinery efficiency. you might lack flow thru the manifold. add a powered pump before it to help push fuel thru.

[reef basin]

try sharing some images in #1038092680493801533

[warm finch]

hey @reef basin does your VIP junction still work?

[next ivy]

like a priority merge ?

[reef basin]

is not mine

always was kinda magic and it's not very recommended nowdays, even its author ditches it for more reliable solutions

doesn't mean it can't work tho

[normal orbit]

vip junctions work atm, but in 1.2 all bets are off

[warm finch]

ah my bad! and didn't realize teh author ditched it. damn I need to come up with a new solution then. stupid alum

[magic void]

Just put a few up lmk if you want some more

[reef basin]

alu is super easy, don't merge fresh and byproduct water

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1460381544173801616/image.png?ex=69a9f24c&is=69a8a0cc&hm=a1599ba318f2f14dad5b350a65889aca5111058f95f7d365c2f390f9524e3f32&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=910&height=1286

[warm finch]

I was able to merge before using VIP junctions but seems it's not working so well anymore.

[reef basin]

even with VIP it can still break

[normal orbit]

the only reason vip junctions work is due to a bug in how vertical junctions behave

[reef basin]

afaik it has nothing to do with the vertical junction bug, as that was introduced recently 🤔

[tranquil latch]

yo can anyone help rq, my electricity is for some reason really inconsistent, i just got oil fuel and my capacity is 2960 but it drops to 2710, 2460 then 1.9k something then crashes

[normal orbit]

you should either reuse the waste output as input in other machines. or you can setup up loops for each refinerly pair, and valve in the diffrence, which another valve preventing backflows. You do have to treat it as individual loops tho, you cannot batch out like 20 refineries with a single pipe system. But if you divide em up pair by pair it works just fine.

[warm finch]

been doing it in pairs with VIP junctions for a long time. This is the first time it's actually broken on me. RIP

[reef basin]

share some images of your setup in #1038092680493801533

[tranquil latch]

the oil setup?

[reef basin]

of whatever is failing, so probably fuel gens

[tranquil latch]

alr wait

[normal orbit]

if its dropping like that, its an idicator you're not feeding them properly, and what you're seeing is most likely the result of prefilling, which masks issues

i could also guess that one of the byproducts is backing up and causing refinery shutdowns

[tranquil latch]

wait u can check my questions and help page for the setup

its still loading tho

[reef basin]

@elfin idol #screenshots isn't for asking questions, use #design-and-architecture for queries like yours

[elder skiff]

When do i unlock better pipes

I think thats my issue

[reef basin]

why do you think it's your issue?

[normal orbit]

you're putting 360 in a pipe that handles 300 max, see the issue?

make another pipe

[reef basin]

is there a context to that msg? 🤔 how do you know they are doing coal?

[elder skiff]

Screenshot in screenshots lmao

[reef basin]

this is why you use #1038092680493801533

spreading conversation across multiple channels makes it hard to read and respond to

and #screenshots isn't for questions anyway

but yeah, the problem is that you're using one pipe to carry more than it can

[smoky flame]

Is there any particular reason people recommend diluted packaged fuel for optimal power set up for crude oil instead of just diluted fuel? Why package it?

[normal orbit]

cause packaged diluted is available in tier 5, but diluted fuel is in tier 7

or is it tier 8? i can't recall

its a whole phase later

[reef basin]

and with blueprints the difference between is practically nothing, so there's not much reason to "wait" until you unlock the blender variant

[elder skiff]

Fixed my problem and stabilised my power grid, turns out pipe physics are alot more indepth than i thought
Had a slight turn in my pipes and it was completely halving my water output for some reason

[gloomy tusk]

pipes are your best friend and your worst enemy

[true path]

pipe fuilds are easy if you spend at least 200 hours on them :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[normal orbit]

The way I do pipes has changed like 5 times since they were introduced due to bugfixes and tuning. And I suspect 1.2 will change it again

[true path]

they change every fix and in every update 😄

i think its my favorite hobby;

1. look at the pipes
2. find something wrong
   3.try to fix it for the next 5-10 hours
3. finally fix it
4. realise there is 1 generator not working properly
5. try again for the next 5-10 hours
   7.maybe leave it as it is/it is fixed.

[reef basin]

they are easy if you follow simple rules

[normal orbit]

two biggest revelations were realizing the game cuts the pipes wrong when placing items on them. And realizing pumps do more than just headlift, which completly changed how i placed them

[true path]

the rules are non existend for me then cause i do my own thing all time and do it all alone.
i just dont think getting help fro msomeone else will be a good idea since for me its better to learn it alone

[reef basin]

not sure if spending 20 hours on something is better than getting some "vague" help

[true path]

welp i love having fun

[reef basin]

(like "keep pipes simple" and "feed from above")

[true path]

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah im good getting help will be boring just making a revelation yourself makes it an achivment that feels good

[normal orbit]

I enjoy figuring out problems. but its also my livelyhood to do it :)

[true path]

EXTACLY

it just feels more fun and right in the same moment

[normal orbit]

Actually had fun solving Aeryns turbo fuel challenge :p

[real shale]

I enjoy creating problems

[true path]

i had fun solving them but my friend has the save file of the game and he doesnt wanna play that often so i sadly can only solve things like that from time to time

i have a diffrent save but my architecture is horrible

[normal orbit]

#math-and-meta message if anyone curious on it

[true path]

only the conveyors, pipe lines and machinery have a good fitting in the factories

i dont make the desing my friend does

[autumn path]

do buildings stop mobs from spawning if they are close enough to the spawn point?

[true path]

i can asure you not

BEANS keep spawning in factories so ye ig not

and the hogs and others also

[normal orbit]

powered buildings which are actively drawing power. so idle ones dont count

[true path]

really?

[normal orbit]

it doesnt stop mobs from spawning a little ways away and walk into your base tho

which is the #1 cause of beanvasions

[autumn path]

it seems like it, they don't seem tos pawn in my very large buildings, just walk into the edges because they spawned nearby

[normal orbit]

rails also count as powered

so they tend not to be around your trainlines

[last bluff]

beans are the #1 cause of financial fraud

[autumn path]

tell that to the lizzard doggos.....

always walking on the electrified rails

[normal orbit]

also, i think it only works on the hostile creatures, which beans are not

[last bluff]

hostile beans would be one hell of a mod

[normal orbit]

they go hostile if you start bouncing on em :p

be funny

[dusky dagger]

Are you powering your factory over time or at the end of the construction ?
I’m doing it over time, so that I see immediately if the batteries begin to deplete and have some time to deal with the problem. I also can check all ratios when building the things.

[normal orbit]

usually build first, then power, mainly cuz i find it annoying to have items on the belts when working out how i wanna do them

[last bluff]

they move that raisin head to you on the ground and instantly kill you Rainworld style

[next ivy]

i build a new power plant as soon as i unlock the research
running out of power is the most annoying stuff

that new plant usually lasts until the next power research comes

[last bluff]

like bio fuel

it lasts for a while

[autumn path]

i always upgrade pipes before upgrading power plants if i can

[reef basin]

I do not touch existing factories

[dense violet]

you can make it look natural even if you build the foundations first #design-and-architecture message

natural looking and tidy

[hybrid nymph]

hmm the age old question, to use the coal for coal generators, or to make it into turbo fuel?

[dense violet]

generally much much simpler to have a big energy buffer and build more power when you get close

[bitter niche]

Wait there are batteries?

[tall lantern]

correct

[bitter niche]

Nice

[tall lantern]

not too many uses, can be used to power drones, or as an ingredient for an alt

and to be confused with power storages

[reef basin]

there are batteries and power storages
the two are different and you should use the proper terms to talk about those

[bitter niche]

Oh there's a difference?

[reef basin]

can be used to power any vehicles

[bitter niche]

okay what is power storage? when do I unlock it?

[tall lantern]

was just checking the wiki, heck yeah cyber truck fuel

[reef basin]

battery is an item that can be used as a fuel for most vehicles or as an ingredient
power storage is a building that has nothing to do with batteries and stores power

[bitter niche]

oh I see

makes sense

[tall lantern]

the other common naming confusion is water extractors vs pumps

[bitter niche]

I'm pretty new to this, like I said still on tier 3, just setup my first few coal gens

[reef basin]

and busses vs belts

and megafactories vs big factories

[tall lantern]

feel like I've seen "farm" instead of "factory" recently, not a confusion as such but still seems odd

[last bluff]

I like the word

[reef basin]

Yeah that as well. We do not have farming

[last bluff]

ironically a farm isn't full of plants

[hybrid nymph]

I'm sad...

[last bluff]

sir this is a Wendy's

[hybrid nymph]

I am tired of trying to impress everyone...I can't take it anymore

[sour schooner]

yes, I can build like this, Im now experimenting with the autoconnect feature. Even though my rails were natural, pretty, its quite tedious to build like that. Now with auto connect, its easier, but it has its own flaws.

[tall lantern]

why would you want to do that

[hybrid nymph]

because life always seems like a struggle to imrpress people

[zenith pecan]

Do things for you, not others.

[tall lantern]

impressing random internet strangers isn't a worthwhile use of time

[hybrid nymph]

that's a really good point, never thought of that

Impressing people is just so mentally exhausting that I am at my breaking point

life just seems like a constant struggle to always "be the best" it's always a competition

[tall lantern]

there'll always be a better factory builder

just how things work

just get yours working, bosh

[hybrid nymph]

I hate competitions so much

[tall lantern]

there's another building competition on? thought the last one was ficsmas

[hybrid nymph]

true

well said

[sterile blade]

My sushi is better than yours. What are you gonna do about it?!
||Joke disclaimer||

[reef basin]

my sushi is even better 😛
||because that's the nickname my fiancee uses, so I win 😛 ||

[dense violet]

I've honestly never use auto connect especially for anything remotely aesthetic - just doesn't mesh

[real shale]

man, my blue crater is slowly turning into a mega factory unintentionally, its been a really convenient spot for me for a lot of things

[faint reef]

are there patch notes for 1.2?

[reef basin]

#patch-notes has all patch notes of released things
unreleased things obviously don't have patch notes

[sterile blade]

#teaser-notes when...?

[reef basin]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/1479084335041740811

[last bluff]

This thread makes me wonder what a "#patch-notes-unofficial" would look like

Oh it still made that a link

[topaz shale]

I forgot how relaxing satisfactory is after a long day at work.

[autumn path]

Uranium fuel rods seems like a huge exspense of time and materials for not that much of a power upgrade

[reef basin]

"not that much"? 😄 it's A LOT of extra power

[autumn path]

depends on your work, when i did construction its relaxing, as an engineering technologist designing industrial piping, it can sometimes be tedious after work lol

not really, it triples my power from oil, but takes like 10 nodes of materials

[reef basin]

triples power based on what?

and "takes 10 nodes" is misleading, I doubt it fully uses 10 different nodes

[autumn path]

a full line of 780 uranium ore gives 93,000 MW, I already have 45,000 MW and only use like 12,000 MW

[reef basin]

line of 780 uranium definitely gives more than that

780 uranium can do 234 GW

[autumn path]

Caterium/Sulfur/Coal/Iron/Copper/Uranium/2 Limestone/Sulfuric Acid.. sorry its 9 i didn't count, but weird thing to try and nitpick.....

calculator says otherwise

[unkempt blade]

I don't really agree with "not that much power" but as for the rest most endgame projects ARE pretty significant time investments

[normal orbit]

Yes. More complexity for more power

[autumn path]

buts it seems like its way more complex, and i can do the entire game easily on oil it seems

[reef basin]

my point is that it doesn't use it fully

if it uses 10 nodes and uses 10% of each, it's roughly the same as if it used just one node, but fully

you don't really care about how many nodes it uses, but rather how many resources

[normal orbit]

All 2100 uranium makes 630gw can be refined to plutonium for 580gw and then to ficsonium for 280gw. All in all 1490gw

[unkempt blade]

it's optional, play however makes you happiest

[reef basin]

I literally just used calculator to do it

[autumn path]

you didn't

because you didn't even read what i said

[tall lantern]

with just base recipes and no conversion, and only uranium rods, I make it 97500MW for 780 uranium

[reef basin]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=VLZC0U0jT5o3NFSZCcsz

[autumn path]

yea 97500, about 93000 after cost of production buildings

[tall lantern]

and of course, if you further processed those, and/or used different alts, you could get plenty more out

I know with mine I used 1200 uranium to make 18 U and 9 Pu rods

[reef basin]

18.72 fuel rods
one plant needs 0.2/min, so it can feed 93.6 plants
each plant makes 2500MW, which is 234000 MW total

[autumn path]

you have 2 people that did the math properly versus you

[reef basin]

where's the other person? other than you (who didn't do it "properly" apparently)

[tall lantern]

18.72's what you get if you enable alts

still uses the same 780 uranium

[reef basin]

and 18.72 fuel rods make 234GW, not 97.5GW

[tall lantern]

like I said, the 97500 is if using only base recipes (and no plutonium+)

[tall lantern]

and like I said, ^

[reef basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/752543820909903922/1479091069332361256/image.png?ex=69aac667&is=69a974e7&hm=48f16868464d2c0fb8b4cf1243445b3e319d69d55eb414fa78eec00049f6b6a2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless here's Tools doing the same math

[autumn path]

if i am using alts i might as well make plutonium

[tall lantern]

even more power, good idea

[normal orbit]

i'm a little curious why you'd actively choose recipes to make les than half the power, then complain it doesnt make enough power. like???

[autumn path]

actively choose the recipes i have?

[reef basin]

here's SCIM doing the same math https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/752543820909903922/1479091416289378395/image.png?ex=69aac6b9&is=69a97539&hm=2dbc16964ad637004873e60e18eba1287346b515bda2fc49b1e0de4fa6ff103f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[normal orbit]

go scan some drives

[reef basin]

like... tell me how your math is right

if every single tool disagrees

[unkempt blade]

you have to let the dice decide what recipes you use otherwise you won't be ready for the recipocalypse to take choice from us

[autumn path]

Greeny 2 people already told you that you are wrong because you aren't even listening to the conversation and are calculating the wrong thing

[tall lantern]

tbf it's literally only 2 alts, you make it sound a lot more complex than it is 😛

[reef basin]

which 2 people? and where?

[autumn path]

i mean i could grab 20 more drives and still not get it

You have access to teh chat, read the people you have blocked or read the chat

[reef basin]

I have access to the chat. I'd like a link to the message, because I don't see anyone telling me I'm calculating the wrong thing (apart from you)

[autumn path]

theny ou are blind

[reef basin]

I don't have any blocked people in the convo