satisfactory

[winged herald]

every factory for every part i have has one basic storage container being filled, then overstock is getting sinked

[west jackal]

I dont like getting biomass in desert so I rush coal

[west jackal]

Same once I get smart splitt

[tall lantern]

handcrafting hundreds of modulars doesn't sound very rushing 😛

[west jackal]

Its faster than automating them

[reef basin]

it's not

[winged herald]

phew only 2 buildings left to tear town, but ima let them finish making their stockpiles in the machines first. got smart plating and rotor factory backed up making stuff still

[reef basin]

you still need to automate them anyway, so the automation time isn't saved, it's always there
any handcrafted item adds to total/effort time until full automation

[west jackal]

I automate parts of it, screws and rip, I have the frames automated but its slow early game, I dont want to mess with more than 2 iron nodes for just mf, so I have excess screws and plates stored to craft while its going

[tall lantern]

one node should be plenty

[reef basin]

it's always faster to do the automation first

(may not be faster in the short run, but it's way faster in the long run)

[tall lantern]

60 iron gets you 2.5 modulars, a perfectly serviceable amount. or a pure node could double that

[reef basin]

can get you up to ~6.3

[tall lantern]

I'm assuming basic recipes given the early game

[reef basin]

alt recipes are always good to have 😄

[tall lantern]

they're "rushing to coal" so aren't gonna have stuff like pure iron lol

[reef basin]

I'm not assuming pure iron

basic iron + iron wire + stitched plate

[tall lantern]

ah fair. ~3.15 off the 60 iron, reasonable jump

[reef basin]

with basic iron it's 6.3, but fair, probably don't have foundries yet

[gilded cloak]

I have 3 lines of 250 screws/min and 1 line of 300 screws/min, and I need to split them into 1 line of 450 screws/min and one of 600 screws/min (i can only have 480 screws/min so it needs to be multiple lines). What do you recommend I do?

[halcyon meadow]

So quick question for those that has Mk6 belts do the rescouce on the belts visually go the wrong direction?

Like they move the way they need to but the visual of a full belt looks like there going backwards

[sterile blade]

That can happen, yes.
I think it's akin to when you look at a spinning wheel that keeps accelerating until it looks like it stops and starts spinning in the opposite direction instead...

[halcyon meadow]

I moved the camera in the same direction it's going to counter that as I know your brain can do wired things but nope still 1 way lol

But I did think about a fidget spinner lol

[wary remnant]

These can be "balanced". What do you mean you can only have 480/min - does this mean you have Mk.4 belts? In which case you can't get 600/min.

[stone quiver]

I suggest you just manifold them in a 5:4 ratio.

[tidal dock]

Sometimes you put something off cause you don't really get it but then you finally decide to interact with it and it becomes a huge game changer. Somersloops I love ye....I have sooo many power shards now XD

[stone quiver]

Or 600:450 4:3

[stone quiver]

Yes due to frame rate

[gilded cloak]

yes, i only have mk4 so the 600 line needs to be multiple conveyor belts

[gilded cloak]

i think ill do that

[stone quiver]

Oh wait

You can only get to 480?

No way. Without multiple intakes.

No matter how much you shove on the 480/min conveyer, you will only move 480/min

[elder tendon]

hey, does anyone know if there will ever be a mac build for satisfactory?

[stone quiver]

BUT, if you want to split into those numbers with multiple constructors you can

A mk 2 and a mk 4 = 120 + 480 = 600,

Then the rest doesn't matter, one mk 4 will do. so 3 machines,

1. Mk2 -120
2. Mk 4-480
3. Mk 4?-450

[wary remnant]

So would making the 3 x 250 into 450 + 300 do, The 600 would be the 2 x 300 lines?

[stone quiver]

You'd splice in the supply along the length of the manifold imo.

[winged herald]

should i just sink all this stuff or feed it into my mega factory? i dont really need it rn.. its all full of iron plates, rods, screws, wire, cables, reinforced iron plates, rotors, ect ect #screenshots message

[stone quiver]

If you haven't used it in a day and it's not high tier assemblies, nuke it all

You already made that much EXTRA and have it automated . I'm assuming you split off at least a container of building mats for the common stuff

[winged herald]

nah its all tier 1-2 stuff, and a ton of it. ill probably use most of the plates and cables building the new factory

[winged herald]

this is what that is

[west jackal]

Also dont have any alts atp

[winged herald]

i tore down my beginner factories and this is all the storage from those

[stone quiver]

Dump it all

[rustic urchin]

How can I get rubber I am unable to craft it and need some also how can I find Hardrives, Sulfur mining veins, catreium Mining veins?

[gaunt pasture]

Do you have oil refinery unlock??

[rustic urchin]

No

[gaunt pasture]

When I get home I could help you

With getting all of that findable

I'm 5 minutes away

[winged herald]

you can probably find some around drop pods if you need it rn

[gaunt pasture]

One of his problems is finding the pods

[winged herald]

use this map https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[unkempt blade]

Get to tier 5 for rubber. Find the other stuff by exploring the map

[gaunt pasture]

Thank you for giving him that like I'm on my phone rn so I couldn't lol

[reef basin]

unlock refinery then

[versed mesa]

Hi all

Its possible we could see the update next month if not then early April

[reef basin]

it's always possible 🙂

[west jackal]

dang slooping requires oil 🙁

[leaden ruin]

if my train is Loco-Loco-Freightx7, do I need to put the timetable in both locomotives or will the second contribut to the drive simply because it is connected to the first? visually it seems like yes since both locomotives light up and brakes actuate but it's hard to tell

[west jackal]

why do you have 2 loco on it?

[leaden ruin]

becuase i don't want any (prefer minimal) speed lost on inclines/spirals and the consensus on all posts/wikis I've seen is a 1:4 ratio

[winged herald]

i think if your slopes are 2m or less it wont lose speed, i think

so if you have 4m slopes just change em

[leaden ruin]

they are all 2m. even driving manually holding sprint i lose some km/h with 0 freight cars.

[unborn moss]

Multiple engines on 1 train count as the same train

[winged herald]

you gotta add nos

[dire needle]

are there anymore skins like the ficmas skins for conveyors?

[winged herald]

theres skins? 🤯

[brazen pecan]

hey whens the next sale of this game, just asking

[winged herald]

probably the steam spring sale? around march

[brazen pecan]

ok, thanks dude

[tall lantern]

they're generally not announced in advance, for obvious reasons

[winged herald]

yeah but usually the big steam sales like spring, summer, winter, ect have it

[west jackal]

is there a way to make it christmas mode for the christmas event?

[tall lantern]

change your system time, or install a mod that does it

[upper sorrel]

anyone wanna start a new save with me?

[hybrid nymph]

random question, so I just made it to tier 3, just finished the space elevator delivery for phase 1, and I'm currently generating 627 MW, is that good?

[stone python]

is it enough power for your needs?

thats the only anwer that matters

[unkempt blade]

it's discounted on humble bundle

[whole robin]

Is the satisfactory notebook made from good paper? I'm legitimately considering buying it but I don't want to pay more than 10 dollars for something that's the same quality as a middle school notebook

[hybrid nymph]

middle school?

I teach middle school lol

I teach: history, biology, English, and economics

My specialty is English and Economcis

[leaden turret]

irregular reminder: game companies are generally prohibited from announcing sales ahead of time

[grim carbon]

do power shards run out of power?

[quasi warren]

No

[hybrid nymph]

no they don't, they work as long as you can provide power to them

[swift turret]

Yeah for each power shard you have to go inside them and defeat the great power shard and hook up 1 million power lines to it

[grim carbon]

that would take a LOT of power poles too

[lost oak]

Is it just me or do vehicles speed up differently depending on the type of fuel they have?

[hybrid nymph]

I am trying mods for the first time, and I love it, it adds so much more to the game

I am currently on Tier 3, and just started 2 days ago

[reef basin]

drones? yes
others? no

[lost oak]

Must be just me then

Switched from biofuel to fuel and the explorer feels like it speeds up faster

[hybrid nymph]

only drones, toher vehicles like trains and trucks, no

let me check the wiki

it does not

it's just you

[crude canyon]

as a teacher
do you think technology can be well integrated in the classroom?

[hybrid nymph]

Google recommends turbofuel for the explorer

[lost oak]

My mind is playing tricks on me

[hybrid nymph]

I do yes, I allow students to use their laptops for school work, but not their phones

[lost oak]

Haven't gotten there yet. I literally JUST finished my first fuel power plant

[hybrid nymph]

I'm currently working on 2 games at once, a modded game on tier 3 and an unmodded game at tier 8

[lost oak]

I'm playing for the first time

[hybrid nymph]

I integrate technology into my calss all the time

[lost oak]

Have one mod, but it's just the one that lets me snap extractors and miners to world grid

[hybrid nymph]

I teach 6-8 grade. I teach 6th grade biology, 7th grade history, and 8th grade English and Economics

[crude canyon]

I recommend the grappling hook mod
and daisy chain everything

[quasi warren]

YEAH

[lost oak]

How does it work?

[hybrid nymph]

I tried that mod, it's meh

[crude canyon]

daisy chain means no powerpoles, just connect the machines to each other

[lost oak]

I like powerpoles

[crude canyon]

Grappling hook is... A grappling hook
It's fun, really makes movement better

[hybrid nymph]

I like powerpoles too

[lost oak]

Gives it aesthetic

[quasi warren]

I like my power spaghetti

[quasi warren]

Have not tried this

[lost oak]

I only added the world grid mod because the miners not being in line was starting to hurt my soul

[hybrid nymph]

I might add that mod

I'm currently using 51 mods

[quasi warren]

Im using around 160?

[hollow hemlock]

Jeebus

[quasi warren]

Im true to my name LOL

[hollow hemlock]

I thought that just meant something simple like a ficsit branded bionic eye or an integrated biozapper. 160 mods is nuts

[swift turret]

Im using 0 #proplayer

[hidden pebble]

Guys, isn't the placement of of input and output of nuclear reactors a bit nasty? How do you effectively connect them?

[limpid iron]

I have 1

[dense violet]

generally it's jsut 1 pipe per generator so not sure what your issue is?

[hybrid nymph]

which mod?

[limpid iron]

cartograph, the one which puts your infrastructure on your map

[white dawn]

Hah, yeah, it can be a challenge to make it clean; I do still wish that the waste output was around the back, at least

I tend to route the waste around to the back regardless; keeping the piped+belted areas "underground" can help visually as well

[west jackal]

what are yalls opinions on cloud save?

i play on desktop and a laptop and i was wondering how moving between them would be?

[limpid iron]

just same as any other steam game, same game data between devices

[white dawn]

That is certainly among the intended use cases for cloud saves. :D Just make sure you're also making your own backups, in case the cloud sync does something you don't want it to

One downside is that blueprints are not stored in Steam Cloud, so if you're doing blueprints you'll have to manually move 'em around (and, unfortunately, re-categorize them on the platform that you copied them to)

[west jackal]

what about epic? i added it as a non steam game to steam but it still uses epic i think

(i bought before it came to steam or else i would have on steam)

[white dawn]

If you want to ensure that cloud saves work properly, launch the game via the launcher where you bought the game

[limpid iron]

the cloud saves on steam are only on steam iirc
having satisfactory on steam and epic is just having the same game twice with different save data

[white dawn]

(Though if launching your Epic version via Steam opens up via EGS, then that should be fine. It'd need to be EGS handling the cloud sync stuff, using Epic's infrastructure, not Steam's)

[west jackal]

i believe it just launches the egs version

[white dawn]

Yeah, each storefront has its own cloud storage stuff; Steam's not gonna back up data from an Epic game

[west jackal]

because it calls it "Factory Game" lol

[night sail]

What's the best alt recipe for heavy modular frames ?

[dense violet]

whichever one is most convenient to your situation

this has been mentioned to you several times about alt recipes

if you want to describe specifics people can probably help you pick recipes?

[night sail]

I just unlocked it and wanted to set up a modular factory just for it

[dense violet]

well Heavy flexible frames replaces a lot of the resources with rubber? so get a bit of oil and it really cuts down on the other costs?

[night sail]

Ooh

[dense violet]

you haven't really given any specifics about what resources you want ot use more or less of

or what other items you're making

[night sail]

Ok one sec

[dense violet]

or how many

if you just want SOME HMFs just use the basic recipe for now

Heavy Flexible Frames pairs well if you're using Coke Steel for example

[hybrid nymph]

does it show the sloops, slugs, and marcer spheres on the map?

[dense violet]

gets rid of the need for coal

[limpid iron]

no, gotta use satisfactory calculator website for that. its just to look at where you builds are

[languid bison]

Well

[night sail]

Actually the heavy flexible frame alt works for me I just checked the recipe and I don't want to use steel pipes or too many encashed industrial beams I have surplus of rubber and screws

[dense violet]

you mean satisfactory calculator

[limpid iron]

yeah mb

[dense violet]

sure.
You can also save on resources by using 'Encased Steel Pipes' instead. Small savings on the base recipe
use Coke Steel to cut out coal
use Steel Screws for the screws

[night sail]

Ok

[dense violet]

any particular alt recipe tends to really give you benefits when you mix them with other recipes

[hybrid nymph]

plesae pm me the link I would like to know where the collectables are

[limpid iron]

just look up "satisfactory calculator" it should be the first result

[dense violet]

just so you're aware it's a 100% exploration spoiler

[swift turret]

not that good tbh

I play between a desktop and laptop and it constantly has issues with the cloud and getting data overwritten

a lot of the time if you save, shut down, reload satisfactory to allow it to sync then shutdown your game it can sometimes work better

[hybrid nymph]

I've explored most of the map, I'm on tier 8

[dense violet]

eah just a spoiler warning

[hazy topaz]

Uno question about manifolds in satisfactory, should the output end up where it started?

[dense violet]

as in loop the belts? absolutely not

pipes? can help with high flow systems

[hazy topaz]

Well not like loop it but say ive got a pure iron node thats feeding into 4 smelters with a single lane manifold. Would i want to send the mergers after its been processed back to the start before sending the conveyor somewhere else?

[dense violet]

show an image of whta you're wanting to do in #math-and-meta

[swift turret]

pure iron of 120?

[hazy topaz]

how would I get a diagram of it and yes 120

[dense violet]

quickly just make what you mean and take an image?
sketch in paint?

[swift turret]

send it where you want the ingots processed

[unborn nova]

my first time trying mono rails, why wont the freight cars load onto the train?

[hidden pebble]

I'm confused about how to place down water extractors. Do i place them close together to maximise water/area or i just place then directly under the nuclear plant so that i need to use less pipe to take the water to it?

[dense violet]

you can do both?

[unborn nova]

nvm i had to dock it

[hidden pebble]

How?

I think you're telling me to build the plants over water. (Which I'm doing) Which is fair enough. Even then, 1 plant needs 2 extractors. You can squish two extractors in a small space, but a reactor needs a lot of space

[hazy topaz]

#math-and-meta message

[dense violet]

you can place them close together to save space, then feed them upwards to the nuclear reactor

[swift turret]

check how much water is needed then decide

[hidden pebble]

So it kind of makes pairs of water extractors interspersed with pockets of water, right? That would mean I'll have trouble getting anymore water out of that place in the future. Which, perhaps isn't a big deal.

[hollow hemlock]

place them directly over the nuclear plant, nothing quite like gravity to keep those running

[dense violet]

you c ould have a 2nd floor of reactors above the first

[stone fern]

i cant play this game anymore, its so draining, im sorry

[west jackal]

whats up buttercup

[unborn nova]

why does my mono rail say station unreachable?

[dense violet]

if you do a 2nd floor you then have 4 extractors under the foot print of 1 nuclear gen and that's most of hte pace

and you should really not be using the water under there for anythign else

[dense violet]

station is probably facing the wrong way

[west jackal]

but..but.. spicy water

[swift turret]

its unreachable

[stone fern]

this game is too draining, especially at higher tiers

i cant keep doing this

[swift turret]

then dont

[stone fern]

i have to, im sorry

[swift turret]

whata?

[west jackal]

i dont understand, its not draining? its fulfilling

[stone fern]

my factories need me

[west jackal]

exactly

you must optimize and exploit

[swift turret]

so that was a pointless conversation then

[west jackal]

it seems so

[stone fern]

its not pointless

you havent learnt the higher powers

[west jackal]

are the items that spawn near drop pods the same on all saves?

[swift turret]

yeah all drop pods have the same stuff

hope they allow to randomize it in 1.2

[west jackal]

so which drop pods have circuit boards

[swift turret]

only one I remmeber is the one at the blue crater and maybe near the yellow coast

[west jackal]

aight thank you

[unborn nova]

can i not merge rails?

[swift turret]

you can

[unborn nova]

how

[swift turret]

when a daddy rail and mommy rail loves each other very much

[whole robin]

Tell the children to play satisfactory

[west jackal]

bruh what biology and economics in middle school?

[swift turret]

you can merge them at their points that you connect any other rail

I believe you can have up to 4 at any 1 rail

[unborn nova]

oh gotcha

ty

[whole robin]

Also I am still curious if anyone here has actually bought one of the notebooks from the merch website

[hybrid nymph]

I have lol

[west jackal]

why is my chainsaw only breaking 1 thing at a time

[hybrid nymph]

My middleschools does, I'm just the teacher

[whole robin]

Hold the r key and set it to area mode

[hybrid nymph]

I had a student yesterday ask me if I played Fortnite

[west jackal]

it was in area

[hybrid nymph]

I said, "no fortnite is for kids, I play Satisfactory."

[west jackal]

Valid

[unborn nova]

dawg monorails make no sense why cant i dock

[hybrid nymph]

they do make sense, just automate it

[whole robin]

What do you mean "dock"

[hybrid nymph]

you need to align the locomotive with the station, it can be tricky doing it manually

they made it a bit easier, but in update 7 it was almost impossible to get them to align

[whole robin]

Nvm i was just being stupid and didn't realize what you were talking about

[unborn nova]

all good i think i figured it out

3 pretty easy fix problems i js overlooked

i wasnt powering my train station, i think my locomotive was facing the wrong way, and the stations were on load, not unload

[west jackal]

you dont have to power train station

well, you only haave to power 1, the train rails transfer power

[unborn nova]

gotcha

[west jackal]

unless that changed recently

the load/unload and wrong direction could absolutely cause it

[swift turret]

correct

each train station can act like a power line hooking to a power tower and sending it where you want in that area

also pretty good for using a hover pack and setting up rails

[west jackal]

can you hover over train rails without adding stations

[swift turret]

yeah the rails themselves have the power

as long as its connected to the station that has power

[west jackal]

i know, i wasnt sure if the pack could connect to the rails

[fluid crow]

now power poles on the other hand

[swift turret]

yeah

[unborn nova]

i think i finally got it working

but idk if its gonna be better than just a conveyor

[swift turret]

its better because you can hook it up anywhere and as much as you need

[unborn nova]

im transporting coal to make diamonds like 1.5km apart

[swift turret]

getting all 10 nodes in an area with 1 train is easier than hooking up 10 converter lines and running them down from 1 side of the map to the other

[unborn nova]

mmm

omg it works

[winged herald]

w

[fluid crow]

choo choo

[swift turret]

if they adde truck lights to trucks and tractors I would be amazed

[fluid crow]

don't they have lights

[swift turret]

no like traffic lights

[fluid crow]

oh gotcha

[swift turret]

making it so they dont collide anymore

[west jackal]

@reef basin do you still work on your calculator (new features and not just adding recipes)?
If so, something cool to add would be a way to check power requirements for different alts/production paths

In example, the mf you were talking about with iron wire/stitched frames cost 120MW and produces a little over 6/min
if you use steel pipe and steeled frame alts you can make 5.7/min with only 70MW, while this isnt a huge difference, this is an early game factory, this absolutely would scale with higher tier recipes!

Its possible to do it manually, just takes time and if you need to change a bunch of alts it would get hard, plus you already have a majority of the code to do all of that, would just need a tab or something that displayed it all

[winged herald]

is it just me or did games we played as kids (like ps2 games) looked WAY better than pictures of them now do? or am i crazy

[west jackal]

part of it is the tv

[swift turret]

You can check the power section of the calculator

and see how much its gonna cost

[west jackal]

read my next message

[swift turret]

no

[west jackal]

you can do it manually, but when 10 different alts are changing, its very time consuming to check them all

[swift turret]

You read your own message

[winged herald]

ill read the message

[west jackal]

it was just a suggestion, obviouslly he doesnt have to do it

is zoop after first space elevator upgrade

[winged herald]

zoop is like super early iirc

[hazy topaz]

Yo if im transporting goods from one production site to another, would it be cheaper to use MK1 belts to transport 60 ingredients on 2 two belts (say rods) or 1 level 2 belt (carrying 120)

(btw its not far away from the one to the other)

[west jackal]

i mean ime early on level 2 belts are usually way more expensive than 2 mk1

it looks cleaner (usually) to use the better belt but its definitley a design choice

[winged herald]

it would be cheaper in resources for mk1, but would be slower and you would have to upgrade it later on anyway

[hazy topaz]

Soo cut my losses and build MK2 now?

[west jackal]

slower?

i mean 2 mk1 is same as 1 mk2

[winged herald]

what i usually do is go based of the item inputs. If its going to be carrying 120 items, use mk2

[swift turret]

false

[west jackal]

huh

[swift turret]

you need a mk2 to split into 2 to make mk1

[fluid crow]

120 probably not going to last anyway so

[swift turret]

in which case you might as well have a mk2

[hazy topaz]

ight mark 2 it is

[winged herald]

then you're spending double the resources for 2 lines of mk1 belts

[west jackal]

not if you are asking if its cheaper to use mk1...

i mean no

mk2 belts are 6x the cost of JUST the iron plates

[hazy topaz]

However, I save reinforced iron plates if i did the MK1 belt

[west jackal]

then the screws

plus if you need a 120 belt for IO, just use splitter/merger right at the machinery

[winged herald]

you do save on the reinforced plates, but really you should make a reinforced iron plate factory anyway, you'll need more soon

[west jackal]

i agree, im making mine atm

[hazy topaz]

MK1 takes = 1 iron plate MK2 = 1 reinforced iron plate which is from 6 iron plates and 12 screws

[west jackal]

im just pointing out that it is in fact substantially cheaper to use mk1

the ONLY thing that is more expensive for mk1 is the concrete

[winged herald]

it would be yes

[fluid crow]

reinforced plates cost way more so what one is cheaper isn't much of a question

[winged herald]

the entry levels of the game go by rather quickly anyway, unless its your first time playing, so its safe to say most people would have reinforced iron plate factories pretty quickly

[west jackal]

yeah im like 2hr in and im making the rip

[hazy topaz]

Not me lol, i’ve got 30 hours and ive started like 5 save files because im so overwhelmed that I restart 😭

[winged herald]

i got close to 100 hours by now

[west jackal]

i have multiple saves that are 250hr+ but im trying to take my time this time

and not just use belts for all item movement between factories like (all) previous times

[hazy topaz]

So have we come to a conclusion on what belt I should use

[fluid crow]

you just got to use stuff for a couple phases then remodel

[west jackal]

its up to you man

[winged herald]

we answered the main question, yes using mk1 belts would be cheaper. It's up to you what to do

[west jackal]

if you just want the cheapest option, mk1, if you want to know what id use it depends on your current situation, but as doofy suggested, setting up RIP factory and using mk2 is the better solution overall, but its not worth it if you dont have factory and its a relatively long distance

[fluid crow]

I would go for less belts trashing up the place

[west jackal]

if its gonna be more than like 100m id use the mk1 for now, and make the RIP factory then replace with mk2

[winged herald]

at the end of the day it doesnt matter anyway because you'll have trains or trucks moving items around

[hidden pebble]

Use what you can produce more easily. You'll need more beltings for more machines, but atleast you have more materials?

[west jackal]

speak for yourself man

[winged herald]

eventually you get to trains lol

[fluid crow]

mk.3

[west jackal]

i have 4 2KM conveyors on an older save

[hidden pebble]

Tell this to my silly ass who belted 300 sulfur for my battery factory for a kilometre

I still feed sick as I'll have to do the super tedious task of having to lay down hundreds of reactors. I don't even have enough alclad💀

[west jackal]

reactors? you doing nuclear

[hidden pebble]

Yeah

[west jackal]

ohhh fun! i loved setting up reactors

very tedious when you dont automate the radioactivity filters

and the stupid blenders stop working

[storm crow]

is there a website that can help me plan what i'm building before i start building it?

[acoustic kiln]

OMG PLS TELL ME

[storm crow]

huh?

[west jackal]

Yes there is

[acoustic kiln]

SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME THERE IS ONE

[west jackal]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[acoustic kiln]

O:

[west jackal]

well, wait, it doesnt help with building, but it is very nice for planning production lines

[storm crow]

im trying to build a npp

12 gens

[west jackal]

npp?

[winged herald]

just download statisfactory modeler on steam

[storm crow]

nuclear power plant

[acoustic kiln]

nuclear power plant

[west jackal]

oh

[winged herald]

super easy to use

[storm crow]

what?

[west jackal]

i used the calculator for my npp

[unborn nova]

is the golden nut hard to get?

[acoustic kiln]

anyone wanna play since noone uses lfg ting

[winged herald]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/

[unborn nova]

its a crazy amount of points but i think that will be my next goal after i finish phase 5

[winged herald]

i usually always have this open in a small window on my second monitor

[west jackal]

i dont like the modeler, greeny's tool works better for me

[fluid crow]

not if you automate the phase 5 stuff

[errant crystal]

I finally used a liquid buffer as a buffer for nitric acid and non fissile uranium processing

[winged herald]

i love it, its been updated and works pretty well now

[acoustic kiln]

guys i wanna start a forever world what biome should i make the world in a stuff like dat

[whole robin]

If I want to maximize concrete production to make as much as possible, what recipes should I use? I've heard wet concrete is good but I'm not sure if I've found it on one of my hard drives yet

[whole robin]

Dune Desert

[winged herald]

nothern forest

[acoustic kiln]

well i got 2 answers

[winged herald]

like 7 pure iron nodes right next to spawn

[west jackal]

i like dune dessert, but it doesnt really matter? you can move shortly after

[acoustic kiln]

alr

[west jackal]

leave the old factory abandoned for "lore"

[whole robin]

Dune dessert? Do they serve ice cream?

[acoustic kiln]

like when i used to play with legos and kill a random figure i didnt like for lore reasons

[west jackal]

hey man no need to yell

[waxen locust]

anybody else getting these? #screenshots message

Maybe it's because of frame generation being on??

[unkempt blade]

it's just the jumping lizards, no big deal

[waxen locust]

I'd agree if I had tamed any doggos in this run

[unkempt blade]

no no not a doggo lizard a jumping lizard

lizard doggos just waddle not jump

[fickle locust]

Man there's so much troubleshooting to do sometimes

I haven't been able to make progress because I keep having to fix all these random instances where some input products were missing

[wide rampart]

I feel that lol

I have redesigned my Factory like 8 times today

[dense violet]

take notes on what you're doing and make a plan with a good planner https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[unkempt blade]

I'm perfect in every way so I have no clue what troubleshooting is

[dense violet]

sounds like you're missing some critical skills in life.

[fickle locust]

My least favorite thing is low-throughput manifolds because it takes a long time until you can determine if it's spooling up or being starved of input components

[dense violet]

seems less than perfect

[dense violet]

come back to it in half an hour and do something else?

[fickle locust]

That's what I have been doing for 4 different things, which is why I've spent hours troubleshooting

[wide rampart]

I've spent hours staring at the damn space elevator wondering why I cant climb it.

Should I walk a million miles to the desert to have a more centralized base?

[dense violet]

also just letting that first step fill w/o it going to the next step is usually pretty quick. Unless its like ... heat fused frames and things

[fickle locust]

I meant it when I said low-throughput manifolds... this is the input of Computers for Adaptive Control Units for Assembly Director Systems

There are discrepancies all along the chain and yes that's my fault but it's annoying

[wide rampart]

May I ask, just how complex does this game get? Because y'all are saying stuff that makes me worry that my factory is built out of lincoln logs...

[dense violet]

ah yeah ads can be quiiiiiiite low prod

[dense violet]

it's as complex as you want to make it tbh

[wide rampart]

What if I want to finish every objective in the game?

[dense violet]

use a decent planner like this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production
take some notes, you're good

[dense violet]

if your only goal is to complete phase 5 you can link together the dirtiest sloppiest systems together and just limp through with very inneficient factories

but imo the tiers are a tutorial to teach you to build your own projects

[wide rampart]

I honestly don't really know exactly what I plan yet. I haven't played this game since 2020 and things have CHANGED.

[dense violet]

a bit 🙂
just get through the tutorial nad see how you feel

[wide rampart]

Yee

[fickle locust]

The thing that's making mine nonsense is the size, not the things I'm working with

[wide rampart]

I am working on Phase 2 rn

[fickle locust]

Oh my god and the HMF factory is stuttering too
Did I not build any of this right

[hidden pebble]

Guys, bad news. I ran out of HMF

[dense violet]

I will say to not get discouraged as you go

building factories you're always adding things to and linking it together without a definite plan will always be much more messy than you deciding on a whole system that will just do like, 50 super computers output and jus let that be

[wide rampart]

Yeah, I am thinking I need to compartmentalize and not treat this like a resource hoarder

Just do exactly what you said

[dense violet]

also just remember these are learning factories

[wide rampart]

build factories on a plan, leave em be after they do what I need them to do.

[dense violet]

if you build something and realise you should have done 10 things different after, your'e doing the right thing

[wide rampart]

I think I realize that for the wrong reasons

[hidden pebble]

It's kinda like studying. You think you understand till you see you don't.

[wide rampart]

Ah... I am one of those people who have never really studied LMAO

I am a braindead battlefield player LOL, I am trying to branch out cause my wife gets annoyed that I only play like 2 games

[dense violet]

i means you're learning 🙂

[fickle locust]

Alright we'll call that good for right now as I think I've chased down all the issues. Looking forward to tomorrow when I discover I missed 3 additional things

[weary kestrel]

me when I think my factory is perfect and then notice I've forgot to hook something up and just got this glowing yellow light staring at me

[storm crow]

whats the head lift of a pipe mrk 2?

[unkempt blade]

it's related to the machine or pumps used not the pipe you use

[wide rampart]

Clock Speed, I haven't seen any mention of this so far in the game. I assume the ability to overclock/underclock is just something I haven't unlocked yet? And if it is, does 100% clock speed mean 100% faster or the machine's normal speed?

[storm crow]

do u know what it is for nuke power plant?

[dense violet]

100% clock speed is normal setting

[unkempt blade]

I'd guess 10 but I'd have to actually look it up

[wide rampart]

Alright, ty

[dense violet]

and you unlock it in the MAM , the mam is your most important building

[unkempt blade]

wait.. the nuke plant? what liquid does it output?

[wide rampart]

Ah, okay, ty.

[storm crow]

uh it outputs nuclear waste

[dense violet]

pipes don't have headlift themselves

pumps and machines give headlift

[unkempt blade]

that's a solid

[storm crow]

yea ik now

[storm crow]

bro im trying to input water

[dense violet]

"whats the head lift of a pipe mrk 2?" <--- then this is a confusing question

[unkempt blade]

the consumer never contributes headlift like that

[storm crow]

ohh so i need to know the head lift of my water pumps

[dense violet]

every machine output has a headlift of 10m

[storm crow]

ok

[weary kestrel]

is it weird that the thing I dislike the most is setting up train tracks, I always start promising myself I'll be super careful with placement and by the end of the track its a rollercoaster 🤣

[dense violet]

zoop a line of foundations the whole way to lien them up neatly. Never have any issues again

like so https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1448157102966182049/1448167940225499156/image.png?ex=698ea6fe&is=698d557e&hm=068e816da8c2100b0fcc6270b314fe4ab91cb5398266471c4b31e878cc91ccfe&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

or stacked rail if you're feeling fancy https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1360987971435630683/unknown.png?ex=698e8f12&is=698d3d92&hm=217a67eb59c0d6dae127ed9181086ee954178de9565f99720b9eb70dd4b53bb6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[weary kestrel]

that bend, are you just saying stuff the world grid?

[wide rampart]

Worldgrid is your best friend :)

[dense violet]

none of that is on the world grid
the world grid is a design trap

[weary kestrel]

the duality of satisfactory right there 🤣

[dense violet]

another, fancier, example of ligning up foundations as a path to keep your rail tidy , no grid 😛 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1469917331944767510/image.png?ex=698eacb1&is=698d5b31&hm=8aa3a6bf97856c84e3fd7f748c746676e1b02be8baf9b3ff0c539a274bd9d378&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[wide rampart]

I just made the most shit eating grin after reading this lmao

[unkempt blade]

even if you wanted to use the grid no reason you couldn't just do the same thing minus the angled one

[weary kestrel]

You're probably right though, it's a long ass route but if I just slam foundations first then it'll be done

[dense violet]

it also helps you plan your route around terrain in advance, tha way yo ucan adjust the path ahead of time with less effort

[wide rampart]

Can always realize you need to rebuild it :)

Do what I do and spend more time rebuilding than actually playing

[dense violet]

like so #design-and-architecture message

[weary kestrel]

yeah in this case I think I'm going to do a land rail and follow the natural path
#screenshots message

[cerulean mantle]

New to the game anyone got tips?

[dense violet]

not a bad idea 🙂 doing stacked rail can also really help you navigate terrain , like this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1132292225087307796/unknown_-_2022-10-16T144436.997.png?ex=698e740f&is=698d228f&hm=0e02f2f487ff9e4a6f7efe055b317a9ce11fd59621fa252869edce94979eaffe&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1512&height=571

[dense violet]

the tiers are basically a tutorial and guide post as to what to work on - just learn and make mistakes 🙂

[weary kestrel]

I'm yet to find myself in a situation where I need that much output to justify a stacked route, like I only need 150 quartz for my current problem (radio control units)

[wide rampart]

When do I get my coffee mug?

[weary kestrel]

awesome shop i think?

[unkempt blade]

it's pretty much impossible to lose the game so just have fun with it

[wide rampart]

Alr, I need my damage reducing cold brew

Should I prioritize BP's over everything else in T4 or should I do it last?

[unkempt blade]

if you find yourself doing the same thing over and over and I'd just pause a sec and think if it makes sense to BP it

[wide rampart]

Hmm

[unkempt blade]

they're a really useful tool but it can be a big timesink if you're making BPs just to make BPs

[wide rampart]

Okay, the awesome shop is going make this so much more difficult

[dense violet]

just make a few basic BPs of a few machines with all their connections up.

[wide rampart]

Now my brain is gonna try to do a million things a minute

[dense violet]

very generic things you can plop down

[cobalt ore]

Hi there, is it logistically wise to do long lines of conveyor belts? Cause I’ve just gotten to the point of Coal base energy production

or should I just stick to Bio-mass reactors?

[weary kestrel]

absolutely move to coal

my first plant was like 400m away from the coal, made one long ugly line, but it improves power so much

[dense violet]

find coal next to water - don't need to move the coal that way.

[swift turret]

wdym logically wise to do buses? just build in an area that has coal, water, and space

[unkempt blade]

there should be water close to all the coal nodes I can think of you shouldn't need a super long conveyor

[dense violet]

every starting zone has at least 1 spot with 3-4 coal nodes right on the water 🙂

[toxic lichen]

pure node in grass field is a bit away from the nearest water

[swift turret]

that node is not good for a coal factory

use the lake thats close it has 4 normal nodes of coal

[toxic lichen]

well it was the closest coal when i scanned ;-;

so i just ran to the mf

[dense violet]

most coal is near water mind you

[swift turret]

its useful for making other stuff

[weary kestrel]

blue crater is not near grass fields tho

[swift turret]

I didnt say blue crater

I just said lake

[toxic lichen]

i dont doubt the lakes existence

but can you show me where e'-e'

[weary kestrel]

#screenshots message

probably up here Ion is talking about, I didn't even realize they existed

[toxic lichen]

that looks like blue crater iwl

[weary kestrel]

blue crater is the place east

[swift turret]

#screenshots message

The green is the 3 normal iron nodes of the grassy field

[toxic lichen]

hmmmmm

[cobalt ore]

Alright thx I’ll try to put that into work then

[wide rampart]

Is it worth it to leave my game open overnight to stockpile resources for Space Elevator?

So I dont have to AFK throughout the day

[swift turret]

if you want

idk why you'd afk not work on other stuff

[toxic lichen]

afk is da wae

ive afk'd 75% of my saves playtime

[wide rampart]

Going to bed lmao

[toxic lichen]

overnight
as in they plan to sleep

[wide rampart]

I wake up at 6am and have let the factory consume my time

[swift turret]

yeah but if you're gonna afk during the day just do other stuff

[wide rampart]

Not much other to do after work lmao

[swift turret]

theres like over 100 mercer spheres you have to collect

[wide rampart]

Mer-huh?

[swift turret]

oooo you dont know about them

then work on the MAM

[toxic lichen]

run around
theres purple spheres usually in a weird little rock
they make sounds when near em

[unkempt blade]

yikes

[swift turret]

theres lots of stuff to unlock and automate

[toxic lichen]

it is what it is

[toxic lichen]

again
homie gonna sleep tho

[swift turret]

if you have time to afk you have time to make your train station visit every node in the game

[toxic lichen]

i afk when i sleep
or when im studying

[swift turret]

im talking about them afk during the day like they mentioned

no reason to do that

lots of stuff to do

[toxic lichen]

my apologies
you maake a fair point

i ran around collecting stuff when i needed something to build up

[swift turret]

when i was waiting for phase 2 I worked on sulfur and coal and then at phase 3 I worked on maxxing out my alien tech at phase 4 I worked on improving blueprints and getting more organized

you never run out of stuff to do

[unkempt blade]

it certainly is

[wide rampart]

Okay, time to let my 2k biofuel run until 6am

[toxic lichen]

lowk make solid biofuel

[swift turret]

at phase 5 you start having ptsd, seeing hogs on jetpacks, wishing for death. the usual

[jaunty jewel]

no way its you again

[wide rampart]

I did, I have like 2k of it lmao :)

[jaunty jewel]

hogs can indeed be with jetpacks

[toxic lichen]

good man

[wide rampart]

HUH?!?!

[swift turret]

DId I stutter?

[swift turret]

Yeah idk if they removed it tho cuz I havent seen them since update 8

[jaunty jewel]

the hogs on jetpacks is a thing, cliff hogs (?) have a 1/1000 (?) chance to spawn with one

the other stuff just happens if you play the game too much

[wide rampart]

I need like... A guide if I have to cross paths with this shit😭

[swift turret]

There is never too much. Death awaits us all at the end of the game

[swift turret]

Pray

if you dont pray, good luck

[wide rampart]

I dont pray, I scream and run in terror

[swift turret]

that wont save you

[wide rampart]

Well, it saves me from my wife

[swift turret]

someone give this mans wife a bow and arrow

[wide rampart]

NO

Do you want me to suffer?

[swift turret]

very much so

I thrive on others suffering

[wide rampart]

First I face abstract horrors in video games

Why not thrive on others thriving?

[swift turret]

its why I wanna join the IRS

[wide rampart]

...

You... deplorable human being...

[jaunty jewel]

one step further join the british government

[swift turret]

ew

[jaunty jewel]

exactly its the lowest of the low

[swift turret]

im evil but im not british so

[wide rampart]

Hol' up.

[jaunty jewel]

im british

[toxic lichen]

my country was colonized by the british
does that count ;-;

[swift turret]

oh wait didnt they lead the crusade

[wide rampart]

Uh...

[jaunty jewel]

which one theres a lot

[wide rampart]

Depends on the country

[toxic lichen]

south africa

;-;

[wide rampart]

Oop... You might be worse than Britain.

[jaunty jewel]

thats not possible

[toxic lichen]

man :/

[wide rampart]

LMAO

[swift turret]

The Crusades were primarily led by Western European Christian kingdoms, with significant participation from France, Germany, and England.

Germany caught in 4k again

[jaunty jewel]

this place has been raining since the start of the year

it has not stopped

[wide rampart]

Lucky tbh

[jaunty jewel]

yes flooding is very lucky

[wide rampart]

Rain is calming

No matter the water damage

[jaunty jewel]

flooding isnt

[wide rampart]

Just drink it faster?

[jaunty jewel]

sorry yes i do in fact drink river water

[toxic lichen]

fr bro
just chug that shit

[wide rampart]

Sounds British to me.

[jaunty jewel]

its so clean and tasty and not full of shopping trolleys and tree branches

[wide rampart]

Extra Minerals?

[swift turret]

all water is river water

[toxic lichen]

get yourself some ganges river water
you will ascend

[jaunty jewel]

im good

[wide rampart]

I alone am the thirsty one

[frosty mirage]

Good morning pioneers

[swift turret]

wrong its nighttime

[toxic lichen]

wrong
its every time

[swift turret]

Wrong its sometime

[wide rampart]

The first thing I do when I land on an Alien Planet is slap down a Walmart.

[swift turret]

wheres the mcdonalds

[wide rampart]

Inside

[swift turret]

ew

I would not trust that mcdonalds

[frosty mirage]

I am halfway done with my construction materials (+5/m hmf) factory, between 100-150/m, im proud of this one as its probably the best i have in terms of organization, i also have a dedicated storage below it, i should rly stop rebuilding everything and start progressing 😭

[wide rampart]

What did you expect? Corpo Nationalism is why we are on a new planet.

[frosty mirage]

You must have your eyes closed or smth

[swift turret]

I expect a mcdonalds not owned by walmart

[toxic lichen]

i aspire to be like you

mine makes 6hmf/min

but its a mess
and the numbers probably dont match up

[frosty mirage]

Im stuck before finishing phase 3 because i wanted to catch up with the knowledge and factories, i'll have around 250-300 machines in this factory and everything makes sense in it somehow

[toxic lichen]

i need to tear down my current set up

use the calculator to make everything actually match up

[frosty mirage]

Yea, calculator is useful tbh, everything in my factory is built efficiently with display signs for every input and output

[hybrid nymph]

I'm getting my power grid set up and I'm on tier 3

I'm producing 1,426 megawatts

[toxic lichen]

i made 16 coal gens and left it at that

then i got 10 fuel gens up and running
OC my coals to 200%
think in total i have 4900

[hybrid nymph]

Six coal generators and the rest is coming from wind power

[toxic lichen]

wind?

huh e'-e'

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah I'm using mods

[toxic lichen]

oh ;-;

[coarse kindle]

I think it's impossible to plan ahead because you build everything you need and then unlock another item that also needs iron plates aswell so now you have 25 different constructors making iron plates dotted randomly around the place, I could on theory tear it all down and design it so everything being made, is made together and then distributed to where it needs to go, but I'll do that and then probably unlock a new item that needs even more stuff

[swift turret]

what?

use a calculator to determine what you need, how much and then plan where you want it to go

[toxic lichen]

i need to do trains soon

im not belting my rubber and plastic from blue crater

[swift turret]

then unlock them

if you got steel and motors you can unlock trains

[toxic lichen]

have em unlocked already
js
need to learn em

[swift turret]

train goes to point a to point b

gg ez

[latent gate]

Aight I’m stumped

I’ve got 20 heavy oil residue refineries on a 600 crude pure node for a diluted packaged fuel plant, and for the life of me I cannot get it to stop sloshing

[frosty mirage]

Yea i need to learn trains too, i made the construction material factory so i have enough resources for foundations to connect trains across my factories, i think my next project is the space elevator factory for which i will use trains to bring in the materials that i am already producing

[latent gate]

I’ve tried prefilled, I’ve tried flow control circuits, I’ve tried relief loops above the inputs, I’ve tried everything short of just going back to T1 pipes

I cannot seem to get laminar flow out of this thing no matter how hard I try

[swift turret]

use valves

[latent gate]

Terrible plan

[toxic lichen]

have you considered

sucking it out the pipe
And spitting it into each machine

[latent gate]

Valves don’t stop the sloshing and they can stall fluid movement if backpressure maxes out in the segment the valve empties to

And you can’t actually control flow with valves since the setpoint resolution is still 256, not 600

[toxic lichen]

can i get a breakdown on what exactly sloshing is

[latent gate]

Fluids go from high pressure to low pressure

[toxic lichen]

i see

[latent gate]

Which means when a machine empties into a pipe

It flows both ways.

30m^3 fluid?

15 goes left

[toxic lichen]

ahhhhhhhhhhhh

[latent gate]

15 goes right

[swift turret]

Then dont complain

[latent gate]

Citation needed

[swift turret]

gave you a solution, you didnt like it so :shut:

[latent gate]

Your solution is wrong

[swift turret]

or your setup is trash

I deal with thousands of fluids all the time never had that issue

[latent gate]

Good for you

Citation needed

[toxic lichen]

no need to be an ass ;-;

[swift turret]

I dont need to hear the opinion of someone complaining they cant fix it

[latent gate]

I didn’t come here for pithy solutions and no root cause analysis. You had your shot at answering and I appreciate your time and effort. I respectfully disagree, please let someone else answer

[swift turret]

when offered a solution being annoying so yes I can be

[toxic lichen]

the solutions you tried

which one is the one where you make a pipe going up and then back down?

it might not be a sloshing solution tho

its the only pipe thing i remember

[latent gate]

We talking about pipe priority?

[toxic lichen]

uhhhh
i dont know tbh
its like a pipe
tower?

[latent gate]

Oh a pressure tower

[toxic lichen]

ye

[latent gate]

Yeah that’s for head lift

[toxic lichen]

ah my apologies

[latent gate]

All good

Helping me rubber duck a solution is still helpful

[toxic lichen]

have you checked gaming with docs videos?

i like his content
very easy to understand

[toxic lichen]

yea i used to use my mom to rubber duck coding problems

[jaunty vault]

God damn. How do i even begin repairing my power grid?

[toxic lichen]

diagnose the source of the problem

[latent gate]

Geothermal for reliable failover

Use that to power a battery bank

Priority power switches

Works like dynamite

[jaunty vault]

I just dont get it. My max production just completely shorted for some reason

[latent gate]

What tier you at?

[jaunty vault]

My fuel has been up for so long too. Its not like it’s inefficient so it should be running

[toxic lichen]

"To prevent fluid sloshing in Satisfactory, use valves, create vertical buffers (like water towers), ensure pipes are completely full before use, design with fewer horizontal runs, and use pumps for consistent headlift, keeping flow rates below pipe limits (e.g., 540/min for Mk.2 pipes) to maintain stability. "

what google has given me

[jaunty vault]

At tier 3

Working on completing my project parts. Just finished setting up heavy frames and computers

[latent gate]

Yeah that ain’t gonna fix it

[toxic lichen]

im in favor of the thing where you build the pipe a bit up from where its feeding into

[latent gate]

You should be able to get geothermal

[toxic lichen]

gravity to the rescue

[latent gate]

Barring that, you can bootstrap a coal power plant with a dozen biofuel generators

[jaunty vault]

What is geothermal again?

[latent gate]

Geysers

[jaunty vault]

I dont know how to use them yet

[latent gate]

The steam vents you find in those Yellowstone looking pools

[toxic lichen]

slap em on a geyser

theres one in blue crater for reference

[latent gate]

It’s a special building down at the bottom of the caterium tree

[jaunty vault]

Okk thank you

[latent gate]

I strongly recommend them

If you cap all of them, it averages 7.1gw

[jaunty vault]

Almost enough

[latent gate]

I would advise connecting them directly to your trains and mains and using priority power switches to control which factories you power up and in what order

That way when stuff starts failing, you lose less critical stuff first, and your power supply chain doesn’t go down

Though I’ve seen people isolate everything, even down to the trains, and keep geothermal separate just for power generation

[jaunty vault]

🫩

This fucking game

[latent gate]

Got me a job once

[jaunty vault]

It sucks that i have to keep playing

[toxic lichen]

wdym ;-;

[fluid crow]

Is what it is get back to work

[brazen dagger]

Hey new to satisfactory here, I’ve nearly got to phase 3, my issue is my earlier factories are wildly unoptimized. In these instances did the experienced players rebuild and reroute resources to a better factory? Or just build a new factory in a new location and optimize that way?

[toxic lichen]

depends on how you wanna go about it

some leave old factories running and make new
Some rebuild

the world is your oyster

[brazen dagger]

Ok that being said I started grasslands, any suggestions to where to rebuild?

[toxic lichen]

me idk
im still in grass fields ;-;
im too lazy to move

[brazen dagger]

How do you manage the transportation of resources to and from long distance nodes? Some of them are a vast distance.

[toxic lichen]

i dont ;-;

[jaunty vault]

U will get better ways as u upgrade

How much fuel per minute do the generators take? It doesnt show

Unless im being dumb

[toxic lichen]

like 20?

iirc

20 or 40

[brazen dagger]

I have a few trains running but it’s not fast enough, at this point I’m considering just running belts across the map😅

[jaunty vault]

Well the trains are definitely fast enough you just need to fill them faster by making ur factories more efficient

In my opinion

[brazen dagger]

Could you elaborate? My issue is I have a massive overstock at the pickup location and not enough stock at my main factories to continue production. Do I add more train cars? Make an entire new route?

[toxic lichen]

more cars could work

[jaunty vault]

I’m dumb. But if i understand u correctly, if one place has too much and the other place has too little then you need more carts to carry it

4 carts per train

[frosty mirage]

Whats the overstock? Are you using proper belts for train feeding?

[brazen dagger]

Sulfur is what I’m transporting, I’m using mk 4 which is the best I have available

[brazen dagger]

My earlier question is if I should just rebuild or even make a new smaller factory and just use that as a sulfur factory.

[jaunty vault]

Latter is what i do

I would recommend in general not to train the sulfur tho. You should move a more complex part instead to the sulfur

[frosty mirage]

I usually create more factories, i think we are around the same stage in the game. What I am doing rn is rebuilding my spaghetti factories into vertical and modular ones, but that might be overkill for some players, it depends on what you decide to do with your time

[brazen dagger]

Thankfully I have zero spaghetti factories, am quite OCD and like things to be nice and organized, they just aren’t optimized lol. For example I went WAY overboard making reinforced iron plates and now I have a beautifully made giga factory that makes hundreds of them per minute for absolutely zero reason😅

[jaunty vault]

Nah thats an important part to scale up so good to do it now

[frosty mirage]

My project rn is a factory for construction materials - iron plates/iron rods/reinforced 125.423/m, concrete 150/m, wire/cable/copper sheets 100/m, modular frames 10/m and heavy modular frames 5/m

And everything is connected to a 4xdouble storage + depot

[brazen dagger]

Those are all the things I have way to much of and now I’m struggling to transport resources for more advanced comps

[frosty mirage]

Depending on what you wanna use them for, maybe its easier just to implement them in other factories without a storage for them

[brazen dagger]

That’s what I was thinking

[jaunty vault]

I think thats a common thing. I dealt with that too

[frosty mirage]

You dont need to transport them and you can setup a manifold for overstock to go into a sink

[brazen dagger]

Yeah from everything I’ve seen and read and guides I’ve watched it just seems to be a stage of the game but trying to find the most efficient way to get out of if without having to pack up move it all and rebuild something better you know?

[brazen dagger]

I have already yes which is great getting about 160k p/m

[frosty mirage]

Setup an awesome sink after or before storage to sink the overstock of reinforced and so on

[jaunty vault]

Well you will definitely be moving it all and rebuilding it somewhere better

Its hard to avoid

[brazen dagger]

Ok, will probably just make smaller subsidiary factories and transport the more advanced comps, final question, how important is modularization? I’ve always just made things manually.

Haven’t touched blueprints one time yet

[frosty mirage]

You dont need to rebuild necessarily, just implement them in more complex parts new factories

[frosty mirage]

I recommend using blueprints, they make building 10 times easier

[jaunty vault]

I just found a playlist on youtube that connected all the production buildings with the blueprints and ive been using them over and over

Took like an hour to set up and it makes it way easier

Krydax is the channel i think. Just follow that

[frosty mirage]

From spending 10 hours on a 60 machines factory to spending 8 hours on 250 machines factory

[jaunty vault]

80 hours in on phase 3

[brazen dagger]

I’ve got 27 hours so far

[frosty mirage]

Im 220 hours in and still didnt finish phase 3 😭

[jaunty vault]

Everything ur saying u dont want to do is gonna get waay worse. Buckle up

[brazen dagger]

What should my power level be at going in to phase 3? I have 14gw right now.

[jaunty vault]

I think thatll be fine

[frosty mirage]

Should be more than enough, did u reach oil?

[jaunty vault]

2k will have u comfortable until u get ur oil set up

Prolly way overkill tho

[brazen dagger]

Yes

Haven’t made anything with it though except some refineries for plastic and heavy oil because I believe I read somewhere that it’s important

[jaunty vault]

Also, are you exploring the world and finding hard drives?

[brazen dagger]

Yeah I’ve gotten a few of them haven’t put a ton of effort into it though, if I see them I get them while building towards far nodes.

[jaunty vault]

Couple of really good recipes like iron pipes or steel screws i use a lot

[brazen dagger]

Got steel screws like an hour ago but man I’d have to redo like 3 floors of my factory to optimize that and don’t know if it’s worth it🤣

[jaunty vault]

It probably isnt

They make so many that the belts are the main issue fr

[brazen dagger]

Already having that problem even with mk 4 and not using cast screws, so I think if I adjusted it would just make that problem worse.

[jaunty vault]

I think its the point of them. Fuck screws

Screw them

[brazen dagger]

That was another thing I got tired of not having enough of so now I have entirely to much

[sterile blade]

If only there was a way to not have to merge the outputs of screw-machines 😉

[mortal ginkgo]

at that point you need Steel Screws recipe 🙂‍↕️

[jaunty vault]

The lamest mf i know just showed up

[brazen dagger]

I have the alt recipe, but that would just create more over production that I don’t really think is necessary for me atm.

[wispy osprey]

I like skipping screws but some people like to take it a step further with stuff like Satisfactory+

[mortal ginkgo]

oh Dear God no

[wispy osprey]

The base game is already difficult enough in later tiers for me

[sterile blade]

Or Heavy Flexible Frames...

[wispy osprey]

Alt heavy frames don't use screws

[winged herald]

these are the metal beams you can place diagonally right? #screenshots message

[sterile blade]

Very subjective and debatable

[brazen dagger]

No problems with frames here, computers are terrible

[wispy osprey]

Hence why I dropped a "for me" in there

[brazen dagger]

My mind is going in 500 directions trying to figure out how to get all that crap in one spot lol

[wispy osprey]

Alt caterium computer is a decent one, you're not using caterium for much else anyway

[brazen dagger]

If I see that recipe I’ll check it out haven’t gotten it yet.

[sterile blade]

Flexible frame is the quickest HMF recipe (highest output per machine)... And like most "fast" recipes, it guzzles screws (eg: copper rotor, Bolted recipes)

[frosty mirage]

I use caterium alts for comps and high speed connectors

I got like 8-9/m high speed connectors and comps with only 1 caterium node

[sterile blade]

I dunno if they count as "the" metal beam, but all beams can be freely placed at any angle

[wispy osprey]

Oh right, I like encased personally as having no screws in factory lines at all feels cleaner

[sterile blade]

I don't even recall the last time I saw someone use Flexible not as a meme

[wispy osprey]

Even if flexible is faster I still refuse to make a screw line

[winged herald]

well, i mean like the concrete ones cant be placed diagonally,

[sterile blade]

Are you sure you're not talking about pillars?

[wispy osprey]

Pillars can not be placed at a 45° angle

[sterile blade]

BTW, you might need to change building mode from the first one to be able to build not at 90 degrees all the time with beams

[frosty mirage]

Encased does same the way to go about hmfs imo too, screws can be a pain especially with limited belts

[sterile blade]

If you don't learn to handle screws, you'll likely have a hard time managing most items that stack at 500, like Wire, Quickwire and the oh so lovely Aluminum Scraps~

[wispy osprey]

It's already quite complicated to jump from the basic 2 input assemblers to distributing those to 4 input manufacturers

I still find that somewhat hard to wrap my head around

[winged herald]

correct, thats why i was asking if those in the picture could be placed diagonally

[sterile blade]

Beams are different from "pillars"

[frosty mirage]

Blueprints help with manufacturer builds

[winged herald]

i mean, they're both lines 🤷

[sterile blade]

They follow different building rules and have different building modes

Eg: to place a pillar you click once; to place a beam you click twice

[wispy osprey]

Building the inputs and output is easy, distribution doesn't seem so easy to me for some reason. It's the point I feel I'll lose "prefect" belt efficiency if even one of my 4 feeds is overproducing

[sterile blade]

Can you be more specific about what is confusing/making you scratch your head? ^^

[wispy osprey]

I have to plan that far ahead and I'm not there quite yet mentally

[winged herald]

but beams are what i need to say place the beam diagonally then i can place a concrete pillar on top if it, diagonally

[sterile blade]

Yeah, beams are often used as "alignment tool" due to how freely they can be placed

[mortal ginkgo]

my suggestion is not think about spamming Manufacturers. At phase 3, you need like only 1 manufacturer for each item that it can make.

no need to plan for 30 manufacturers of computers

[sterile blade]

Sushi can make Manufacturers' feeds as simple as Constructors'

[winged herald]

sushi sounds good

[sterile blade]

Don't let ADA catch you nibbling on a belt!

[wispy osprey]

Is sushi a type of load balancing

I know what you're referring to I just find building a sushi system a bit much

I haven't played in quite some time because I was once again humbled by my lack of actual planning

I really should just build small and not think too much about mega factory creation

Less buildings, less power headaches, less item struggles

[zenith pecan]

Why do people not manufacture screws next to the proccess that uses them 😵‍💫

[wispy osprey]

Screws in every single scenario is your highest resource, needing to feed into more machines

Otherwise they clog machines and belts

[zenith pecan]

So your saying they things up.

[wispy osprey]

At around phase 2 you should be 100% away from screws

[swift turret]

around phase 2 you should be melting down screws into plates

[hidden pebble]

Guys, i need to connect 216 water extractors to my nuclear reactors. Wish me luck and strength.

[wispy osprey]

Iron wire -> Stitched plate

[swift turret]

screws -> double screws

[sterile blade]

It can be, but generally just refers to a belt carrying more than one kind of item xD

[wispy osprey]

Oh, I like maximizing throughput on individual belts (mostly)

[swift turret]

screws are like cockroaches, you use 1 then theres 10 more to deal with

[wispy osprey]

It is definitely not necessary to maximize throughput

Some people still intentionally build with slower belts

[hidden pebble]

Atleast screws can't fly

[swift turret]

im gonna put you on a slow belt

[sterile blade]

Ofc, saying "method X is always bestest for machine Y" is a meme, but sushi can turn a 4-belts input stack into a single slender input belt (much easier to handle and decorate nicely, usually)
Maxing throughput can be an objective, but it's often a "side-effect" (few care about it in that sense, they just appreciate having less belts usually)

[sterile blade]

Looks the best IMO

[swift turret]

programmable splitter 🔛🔝

[wispy osprey]

It does make sense as most people don't like thinking about feeding 30 manufacturers

[hidden pebble]

But you have to ensure exact amounts go in which is a nightmare because different machines have different cycle times

[reef basin]

No

[hidden pebble]

Does your name imply you always use sushi?

[sterile blade]

That part's difficulty is often exaggerated...
It really is as simple as knowing how to use "overflow splitters" and sinking said overflow... The math for the individual parts is the same ^^

[sterile blade]

No, but I do have a very strong preference for it overall
Eg: I rarely do sushi trains 🤷‍♂️

[wispy osprey]

I will always take out a part i no longer need to make, same with only needing copper sheet from ingot

[hidden pebble]

Sinking overflow? I guess you also load balance your machines?

[sterile blade]

Load-balancing isn't necessary to run overflow-based sushi

[reef basin]

I don't really see a reason to do that. It's not like it helps anything

[sterile blade]

That's kind of the whole point of the "overflow", it gives the system all the leeway it needs to handle unneeded or unexpected items

[hidden pebble]

But then it's a waste of resources. Yeah, extra stuff do get me points, but what if I need full utilisation of the node?

[wispy osprey]

The only thing that truly needs full node utility is power

[reef basin]

You do not sink anything in properly built sushi

[sterile blade]

If you use it all, none of it gets sinked
If you don't, what you don't use gets turned into coupons...
I don't see the downside 😅

[hidden pebble]

Give an example. For example, let's say a computer factory being fed by sushi. Running at 100% clock speed.

[sterile blade]

You can still just store the excess if you want, but a sink is the best solution in the long-term (ie: not needing to babysit overflow storages as they fill up)

[hidden pebble]

I needed full node utility on my iron nodes because there wasn't any more iron nearby.

[hybrid nymph]

There's a lot of useful alternate recipes. Some of them, more specifically: caterium computers, bolted frames, iron screws, and stitched iron plates are super useful

What would you guys say is the 5 most useful alternative recipes?

[dense violet]

all of them

[hybrid nymph]

I would say iron screws are the most useful recipe in the entire game

[toxic lichen]

steel screws tho

[sterile blade]

If (computer production line) gets the items it needs (exactly), the system will run with no overflow
If the production line gets an unbalanced amount of items (eg: too little quickwire), all unused items will flow through as overflow (to be sinked, stored, processed by other machines or dealt with however one prefers)

[dense violet]

many people would disagree with you.

[wispy osprey]

Constant production even into sinks will usually outweigh choosing what to produce (turning machines off with priority power switches)

[hybrid nymph]

It's so many less steps, you don't have to Make them into iron rods and then Make them into screws, you could just make them directly from the ingots. And you get more of them

[hidden pebble]

I can only use it all if i get it at the right time without any belt clogging. If i merge all the items and send it to a manufacturer, and i know for sure there's enough items, will it run properly?

[hybrid nymph]

What would you say is the most useful alternative recipe?

[sterile blade]

Let me dig up a screenshot that might answer that in a funny way...

[wispy osprey]

I don't know if I have a favorite alternate recipe but I definitely have a least favorite

[hybrid nymph]

A lot of them are pretty useless

[wispy osprey]

Charcoal

[hybrid nymph]

Charcoal is pretty useless

Coal is so easy to get

There's literally no purpose to make charcoal

[sterile blade]

If you're very confident in how stable your factory is, you can pull of stuff like this
Ie: overflow management just makes everything more flexible/easier to handle/less delicate. It's not technically necessary
#screenshots message

[wispy osprey]

You really won't be burning biofuel for long anyway, optimally

[hidden pebble]

Unautomate coal power

[wispy osprey]

Most of your playthrough will be spent in phase 3-4

Even if it feels like it takes forever to get there

[hybrid nymph]

You're honestly just better off using that same biomass to make liquid biofuel

[sterile blade]

@wispy osprey A dream-situation for screws for you, right there~

[hybrid nymph]

Liquid biofuel is more efficient than coal is

[hidden pebble]

You would liquefy your biofuel only for jetpacks?

[hybrid nymph]

Even though I am only two days into my playthrough I'm already on tier 3

[floral trellis]

ugh, i have belts where i could technically pull that off. still find mixing belts heresy

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah, that's exactly what I do

[wispy osprey]

I made my own form of overflow management but I think I currently like modular designs

Modular designing from nodes across the map is less headache inducing than using a single node to make every product

[sterile blade]

I sometimes (very rarely) found myself using it when needing nobelisks while exploring... If I have the steel and Sulphur and just lack the Coal, I can make some with that recipe xD

[dense violet]

"all of them" as mentioned.

they all have a different job. Just depends what and how you like to do things

[wispy osprey]

Each modular step can overflow into a sink

[sterile blade]

Come to the dark side, we have smoother power graphs~

[floral trellis]

automated miner. i hate hand crafting, in an equipment workbench no less. 100% love just having 250 in my dimensional depot, can place miners and drones whenever i want

automated recipe for inhalers when?

[wispy osprey]

That one seems a bit much

[floral trellis]

manually crafting is for plebs!

[reef basin]

Not true

[sterile blade]

Them automating the portable miner while leaving the inhalers as they are was a crime on CSS' part

[wispy osprey]

Well you can manually insert the ingredients and sloop craft

That's better anyway

[floral trellis]

i dont care about the costs, i want a supply of inhalers in a depot

[reef basin]

I've seen people use it for ammo factories without coal f.e.

[floral trellis]

i would. if there was an machine recipe for them

[wicked jackal]

only just noticed, your pioneer is female, was their a reason behind this or just because and why not?

[hybrid nymph]

Hey I'm on my 6th playthrough, literally have not used that recipe a single time. Coal is so easy to get, there's literally no reason for it

[sterile blade]

"Why not" sounds close enough
No deep meaning

[wispy osprey]

Oh right my bad

[reef basin]

You having no use for a recipe doesn't make it useless for everyone

[wispy osprey]

Workshop only

[junior jolt]

charcoal isnt renewable anyway

[floral trellis]

yes. thats exactly what im complaining about

[reef basin]

Doesn't need to be

[wicked jackal]

since its a game and its my immagination, i can only say that my male pinoneer defo needs to loose some weight

[hybrid nymph]

I think the lore reason is that Ficsit's CEO Katarina Parks, Only likes to hire women as pioneers

[floral trellis]

i want a recipe that lets me automate damn inhalers

[hybrid nymph]

Have you ever used it?

[sterile blade]

Gotta cut down on that hormones-filled chicken, or you'll grow massive chesticles!

[reef basin]

I've seen people use it, as I said above

[floral trellis]

speaking of contenders for most useless recipes, ill raise bleached iron as a contender

sulfuric acid to make more iron? okay

[wispy osprey]

Sulfuric acid is better used on copper in later game

[floral trellis]

or caterium

[sterile blade]

Using something as rare as Sulphur is too much of an irony even for an Iron factory

[reef basin]

To make more iron

It's the most iron ore efficient recipe for ingots

[jaunty vault]

I fixed my power!

[hybrid nymph]

Meh fair point

[junior jolt]

is it 1 to 1 for wood to charc? cos i feel like anything else you might as well just make a coal gen

[toxic lichen]

what was the issue

[floral trellis]

true. but iron is plentiful everywhere

[hybrid nymph]

Iron is the most basic crafting material in the game

[reef basin]

On empty map, sure. But that's almost never the case

[sterile blade]

Arguably, Iron is more valuable than Limestone

[reef basin]

Charcoal isn't for power

[jaunty vault]

I honestly dont know. Like at all. Basically just had to add enough extra power and fuel to turn my main power plant back on. Now its fine again

[wispy osprey]

Minmaxing absolutely every material is basically not possible because of a technical limit of power consumption

[junior jolt]

oh what do you use it for then

[wispy osprey]

You can get pretty close though

[floral trellis]

said power limit would use all the sulfur already

[jaunty vault]

I want to say some wires got crossed when I deleted my coal generators but thats just a guess

[reef basin]

#satisfactory message

[reef basin]

Not even close

[wispy osprey]

More sulfur eating, less copper

[reef basin]

Max cons is like 2TW and max production is around 15TW afaik

[wispy osprey]

Ah that's a lot

[floral trellis]

just use more lights and trains to draw extra TWs

[fading crow]

@ornate saffron #screenshots message
i also tried doing this but i cant connect the pipes to the generators, because the pipe is too short. How did you make it work?

[jaunty vault]

What phase do you guys go into geothermal? The mam research is pretty expensive for where im at rn

[wispy osprey]

Geothermal

[jaunty vault]

I think thats what its called idk

[floral trellis]

when i make computers i tick my geo research, and just plop one whenever i run into a geyser

[wispy osprey]

I guess its technically a free source of power but it's so niche and basically gives nothing

[floral trellis]

its not a main power source, but i hate leaving such untapped

[jaunty vault]

Fair

[reef basin]

The advantage being that it's unfailable power source

[floral trellis]

got one powering a remote radar tower tho

[wispy osprey]

Thought experiment but what if you charge thousands of batteries and then go for 15TW min-maxing?

Sure it would turn off periodically to recharge

[floral trellis]

from what id guess. pipe from generator to generator, put crossing in between on the pipe. then connect those up

[wispy osprey]

But it's not impossible, even if it's a memory eater

Or maybe you reach the 1 million object limit

[reef basin]

well my point was more about "it can power critical infrastructure"

[hidden pebble]

What's the max energy generation by using nuclear?

[reef basin]

majority of that 15TW, don't remember the numbers (and it assumes sloop usage)

[hidden pebble]

You get only 1.1TW using all uranium and plutonium using max efficiency recipes. So if i sloop both lines I don't think it can go beyond 4 times of that?

[sterile blade]

You could power the whole factory with a single charged power storage!
Just for a very short time though...

[wispy osprey]

Hence why I said thousands
Batteries suck