satisfactory

[ornate saffron]

#screenshots message oddly i just set that up myself

[soft marsh]

Hello all

[ornate saffron]

o/

[glacial drum]

Yea I set that up back in the coal power phase. VERY slow and it could easily be made so much better

[soft marsh]

o7

[glacial drum]

I could turn it into some descending plant that makes sam products

[oak nymph]

Bruh I'm done with my first save in 133 hour

[glacial drum]

Nice

[soft marsh]

Im tearing down all my train lines today

[glacial drum]

Making em better or just destroying?

[ornate saffron]

done or done? like credits may not be the end you can set personal goals and get achievments

[soft marsh]

Destroying for now. I had too many going every which way and it was hard to track. Replacing with drones for the time being until I can come up with some better blueprints or something for trains

[ornate saffron]

painm

[oak nymph]

Only credit roll now I'm hunting achievement

[glacial drum]

I’m definitely gonna set some up myself for uranium eventually.. For now I’ve stuck to long ass belts

[soft marsh]

I havent really messed with nuclear yet

[glacial drum]

I’ve done absolutely all I can to avoid it

[oak nymph]

It should take like 20 to 30 hours getting the rest of achievement the longest will be the golden nut sadly but the rest is pretty easy

[oak nymph]

It's not that bad tbh

[glacial drum]

Phase 5 and I haven’t touched uranium besides very minimum use for MAM

[agile crater]

Just anothert day hating scews

[soft marsh]

I havent finished phase 4 yet

[oak nymph]

It's not that bad I'm telling you I have made a turbofuel set up and it was way more of a pain then uranium and way bigger then uranium plus waste management and it makes like twice the power of my turbofuel set up

[agile crater]

some one beat phase 2 for me

[glacial drum]

Turbo fuel was more of a pain than rocket fuel lmao

[soft marsh]

My RF setup was pretty easy. Blueprinted it and just stamp out modules as I need them. Nuclear was a bit annoying but doable at a small scale. Larger scale might be a pita

[oak nymph]

Yeah I'm also going to try ionized fuel

[oak nymph]

I haven't done rocket yet but doesn't it need turbofuel?

[soft marsh]

It does but not a lot

[agile crater]

what alt recipes should i get early game

[glacial drum]

There’s an alt recipe you can use to avoid it

Nitro Rocket Fuel

[oak nymph]

Pure ingots

[oak nymph]

I mean I could use all of my turbofuel set up to make rocket fuel what does it need?

[glacial drum]

With nitro rocket fuel you actually make compact coal as a byproduct and can further refine that into turbo fuel lol

Nitro takes 100 fuel/min, 75 nitrogen gas, 100 sulfur, and 50 coal

makes 150 RF/min and 25 compact coal

[agile crater]

Is alternate steeled fram good for modular frames:

[glacial drum]

if you have iron pipe it’s pretty nice

Early game recipes you should def go for are cast screws, iron wire, stitched plate,

[agile crater]

bruh i just passed that up

[glacial drum]

maybe iron pipe

[ornate saffron]

m,ost alternates are not good or bad. its a balance of resources

[soft marsh]

As far as I'm aware I have all the alternates for steel so I dont actually need foundries anymore lol

[agile crater]

thats insaine hopefully i get to that point

[ornate saffron]

if you want. some really good founery options

[agile crater]

so your telling me steel scews have been a thing im going to lose it

[ornate saffron]

they are.... its good. but situational.

[soft marsh]

personally a big fan of cast screws

[ornate saffron]

saves spece

[agile crater]

im working on space elevator phase 2 rn should i start working on a decent little factory or try and rush through it

[ornate saffron]

what do you want to do is the key thing.

[glacial drum]

Alright I’ve automated 112.5 trigons a minute

[soft marsh]

Play the game as you see fit. I havent progressed anything in like 300 hours lol

[glacial drum]

Now either I work on my power or automate fluctuators

The smart thing to do would be fluctuators

[agile crater]

dawg 300 hours id go crazy

[ornate saffron]

i tend to speed run cause i hate waiting for tech. but there is a lot to be said for taking your time and making this look good from the get go, preparing and exploring

[soft marsh]

lol Im almost 900 hours into my first playthrough, still havent finished Phase 4

[ornate saffron]

my goal is always 100m of conveyor a min

[soft marsh]

Ive rebuilt my factories several times. Complete tear downs and rebuilds of my whole world like three times

[glacial drum]

Alright there’s some sam nearby iron far north

Time for the super hypertube cannon

[agile crater]

imma post what im starting in #screenshots if you wanna see

[granite dove]

lets not forget we can delete old inefficient factories THE FACTORY MUST GROW

[soft marsh]

I think the last 10 or 15 hours have just been me tearing down old unused builds and tracks

[ornate saffron]

counterpoint leave as is until you run out of resources and must make more effiecnet. less down time less back tracking

[soft marsh]

My build style keeps changing is all

I was doing like a big mega factory, decided to do outpost factories, now I'm starting to lean mega factory again

[agile crater]

i cant even produce enough stuff to build and make it look nice

[glacial drum]

300 sam a minute is low.. but I don’t need fluctuators out the whazoo

[ornate saffron]

generally speaking when ppl talk about facilities that support your mega factory they are refered to as Satellite factories.

Some would argue that mega factory means the only factory.

I personally dont care what you call them as long as i can gather the meaning from context

[soft marsh]

My builds arent super aesthetic. I just try to make them nice and clean

[hollow hemlock]

steel screws + alumium beams + 2 sloops and you get all the screws you can eat

[ornate saffron]

but transporting them is a pain. make them where you use them

[agile crater]

you sir are the goat

[hollow hemlock]

transport aluminum ingots

[soft marsh]

Yeah initially I had one factory I brought everything to. Then I started making these little outposts where certain items were made and then carted around...to much to keep track of.

I think I'm going to go back to one factory somewhere, and all the trains are going to be for bringing raw resources to the main base

[glacial drum]

45/min isn’t even enough to make 10 fluctuators/min..

[ornate saffron]

note pads and spreadsheets lol. I label every faciltiy using power priority switches. THen use a spreadsheet to keep track of everyhting coming in and out of that factory

[glacial drum]

My next goal before even touching my
power gens may be setting up a proper battery station

[soft marsh]

lol thats too much. I'll put notes on signs and stuff inworld but if I have to reference something outside the game thats just getting wild

[glacial drum]

I’ve got 200 batteries maybe but they’re just in a big cube

[soft marsh]

I have about 1400 batteries in a giant cell below my power grid lol

[glacial drum]

dude that would make me crash

[granite dove]

#screenshots message did this purely by accident but im gonna keep it

[ornate saffron]

i got zero. in all my builds since power priority siwtches

[glacial drum]

i came back from getting a drink the day i built my batteries and my game was frozen

[soft marsh]

I didnt connect any of them until they were all built and once I connected them I went to the otherside of the map lol

[agile crater]

can i speed up harddrive speed?

[soft marsh]

nope

[agile crater]

dang it

[amber scroll]

Hello :3

[glacial drum]

a lot of my old factories aren’t priority switched bcs i didn’t invest in that tree for a while

So it’s gonna be fun doing a lot of electric work

[ornate saffron]

no, bgut you can build a mam anywhere and hit research then disassemble

[glacial drum]

You can also not pick any recipe you get from the drive and it’ll eliminate it from being “found” again so you can sort of “bank” recipes you don’t care for

[little drum]

I'm 56 blueprints in my universal manifold blueprint project, and manufacturers will prove my biggest challenge to date

[glacial drum]

Incase you didn’t know

[amber scroll]

Hey, if I wanna play with someone, where should I go to ask?

[glacial drum]

#1201555265942724758

[ornate saffron]

#1201555265942724758

[amber scroll]

Thanks :3

[hollow hemlock]

It eventually forced me to take biocoal 🙁

[ornate saffron]

i wana pllllllaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy (insert baby crying gif)

[glacial drum]

You don’t have to select it

[hollow hemlock]

I ran out of everything else

[glacial drum]

Just means you can’t find any other recipes in your current spot

gotta progress. then another will appear

[hollow hemlock]

It should let you sink the extra harddrives too

[glacial drum]

There aren’t many extra.

[hollow hemlock]

4 or 5, I can buy them for 100 tickets, I want 100 tickets for sinking them

[jaunty vault]

Just finished my factory!!! 8 heavy frames a minute. Lfg bro

[ornate saffron]

first time playing throught the phases?

[jaunty vault]

8.8 technically

[jaunty vault]

Yep

[glacial drum]

This isn’t a game that brings equal returns on the buy ratio to sink ratio

[little drum]

Which recipe?

[glacial drum]

Multiple items cannot be sinked.

[little drum]

(gg btw, HMF are a big step-up)

[ornate saffron]

grats!

[jaunty vault]

Base recipe heavy frame, steel screw, encased industrial beam, steel rod, solid steel ingot

[little drum]

Nice

I prefer encased frames personally but to each their own

BTW don't forget to send the overflow to a resource sink once the buffer is full, HMF are the first parts to really give a lot of points

[jaunty vault]

Thanks

[ornate saffron]

one step closer to the ||redacted||

[tired wraith]

how can i get rid of unwanted water

[ornate saffron]

wet concrete or a pure recipe is many peoples go to

Coal geneerators are another option

packaging and sinking

[hollow hemlock]

or figure out how to route it into the next stage or a different machine for consumption

[soft marsh]

I need to figure out a good spot for this mega base

I dont really want to build it over the water as I'd like to build it around landscape but I also dont want too many nearby resources

[glacial drum]

7.5 fluctuators a minute.. time to work on my power grid

First I make a backup save incase I somehow royally mess this up

[ornate saffron]

How about the hole in the center and around the hole. Yoiu can sink the Elevator to the bottom

[soft marsh]

The one by the green fields?

If so its funny you mention that because my first attempt was there lol

[ornate saffron]

#screenshots message

[soft marsh]

Only thing left there now is my power base

[ornate saffron]

ya

[ornate saffron]

unser is a aoption too

under

[soft marsh]

true but I dont really like going outside the bounds of the game in that way

I might give the hole another chance

[ornate saffron]

if you are out of bounds youll die. the devs no we do this they choose to let us. they could rtais the death box

personally i like views

[soft marsh]

Call it a personal restriction lol The biggest issue I have with the hole rn is just train logistics. If I'm going to do this the way I planned where I have like five or six trains collect everything around the world and bring it to one spot, I need a decent amount of space for the trains to unload.

[ornate saffron]

i like the idea of cascading conveyor lifts down the cliff sides. so you could have the trains up high and filter it down

[soft marsh]

Oh thats not a bad idea

artificial waterfall esque

[ornate saffron]

have you trains and mass stoarge buffers up high then send stuff donw. you can clip verticle splitters to move the items to each floor

[soft marsh]

Ill have to play with it

In general I like to get some facility structure down and then figure out where things go from there

[ornate saffron]

just spit ballin lol

[pastel surge]

Ugh time to do the rebuild ive been meaning to do for a week

[ornate saffron]

Rebuiilding you confidence?

[pastel surge]

My factory lol, i wanna put all the basics into a multi level structure

In 1 place, so its easier

Also I have a ton of recipes so im trying to see which one is useful

[ornate saffron]

@nova ridge Welcome back

[nova ridge]

is this just a flaw of manifolds?
I have 300 Iron ore -> 4 power sharded smelters -> 10 power sharded constructors making cast screws. using mk4 belts for input and mk6 belts for output. set in manifold. but production varies between 1000-1200 screws/min

[ornate saffron]

so production is always averages. this include the conveyor counter

[nova ridge]

was i gone

[nova ridge]

but if i have consistent 300 ores going in shouldnt i have consistent 1200 screws going out?

visually its obvious too since the belt isnt always full. is the only option to either properly split or put in more than i need to have 1200?

f's up the math a lot

[ornate saffron]

Im no expert but most games work on game tics a fraction (or multiple) of a second when you over clock and under clock machines you shift the amounts being made per tic. sometimes extra or less items are added or removed to give you the requested items over a amount of time

[rich torrent]

Is there a way to get the production planner to show with sloops and shards?

[nova ridge]

so basicaly if i want to guarantee 1200 i should make 1250-1300

[ornate saffron]

that being said check all your belts. I personal never manifold screws. I build them then immeditly shove them intoi the machines that need them

[nova ridge]

ive noticed the same issues with my crude oil -> plastic set up. 600 oil -> 1800 plastic

it'll vary from 1200-1800

[ornate saffron]

ive never needed to do that. whenever i havent gotten my expected output it has been user errror .

[amber scroll]

I keep flushing leaves down the toilet and ADA is getting annoyed

"I hope it explodes"

[untold moat]

just a quick question, trains are Path in, Block out; right?

[ornate saffron]

for interections yes

[untold moat]

gotcha

[ornate saffron]

the suggested clipping point often glitches so i tend to place the path signal a little back

[nova ridge]

k let me review it again. ugh

[amber scroll]

What if I put a power slug down the toilet?

[ornate saffron]

thus the curse 50 hours building 200 hours troubleshooting

[ornate saffron]

the onlything ive flushed is uranium

[amber scroll]

She said "You cannot automate this, I'm afraid." But the captions said "Im afraid you cannot automate this" what...

[mortal ginkgo]

unplayable, ask for refund IMMEDIATELY

[nova ridge]

Is it normal to have more crashes the longe ryou play the game? like a 200 hour save game

[ornate saffron]

ive never had my game crash

[tropic juniper]

no. my guess is that your longer played save has a lot going on, and that's more taxing on your processor. Could be over heating. Consider monitoring your cpu temps while gaming. MSI's afterburner can log it all then you can examine it after a crash

is the crash just the game exiting, or is it your entire computer needing to be restarted?

[ivory condor]

Also crashes can be caused by many things, such as if the game crashes with a crash window, it can be for example caused by a excess gpu overclock for example, if your doing that

[glacial drum]

Most if not everything is now setup on priority switches. Now it’s time to make infrastructure for better material transport to my rocket fuel plant and when the time comes, swap off the old belts for new and double my power output.

[hidden pebble]

Guys what happens if i delete all nodes of a path except the first and last nodes?

[toxic lichen]

wot

[ornate saffron]

-26c (-14f) ..... well im staying in today

[sweet arch]

how on earth do i make 90 degree turns on belts in this game? its so weird to place belts

[ornate saffron]

straight build mode?

[toxic lichen]

place the little poles

generally about a 3rd of the foundation away in the other direction

then place conveyor on top

[oak nymph]

Minus 20c here ain't no way I'm playing hockey today

[wary falcon]

i seriously dont understand pipes, how is my water travelling up 200 meters with ZERO pumps

[ornate saffron]

worst part here is the wind. I felt like i was going to tip over while taking the trash out

[nova ridge]

game crashing and asking if i want to send report na restart.

[sweet arch]

thanks, those little poles made it a lot easier!

[tropic juniper]

probably not hardware issues then. try updating drivers. GPU drivers. Audio drivers. chipset drivers.

[ornate saffron]

you must have performed the best rituals for the machine spirits

[wary falcon]

indeed

[steady dome]

More than likely they are going downwards elsewhere

[oak nymph]

I feel exactly the same literally 4 min ago taking the trash out too lol

[nova ridge]

all updated within the last 2-3 weeks. in a new build. 9800x3d. 3080

[tropic juniper]

have you modded the game?

[ivory condor]

hard to say without seeing the crash report itself, those sometimes provide a little more information

[nova ridge]

yeah. it doesnt happen allt he time. but more often than before

hm 463 coupons. not even halfway there for the nut

[wary falcon]

wait i might just be stupid... i said water but i realize now it is nitrogen gas 😂

do i even need pumps then

[surreal ingot]

Nope

[valid folio]

how much of everything should i make? i was originally going to make a factory for 5 computers/minute but i just feel like thats not going to be nearly enough

anyone got a "cheat sheet" on the matter?

[steady dome]

did you not listen to ada?? 😅😅

[fluid crow]

if it's not a spoiler for you look at the future elevator parts and plan

[ornate saffron]

nope

[valid folio]

well its not just the elevator parts there also every building in the game
i suppose i will just have to spend a night planning 🤷‍♂️

[soft marsh]

Almost done cleaning some of my old unfinished builds. So much garbage around lol

[toxic lichen]

im dreading building infrastructure that spans a lot of the map to facilitate my train system i need to also
dread building

[pastel surge]

Ikr

[tropic juniper]

build a building that looks like the dread pirate roberts from princess bride. like, give it his mask

then you'll really dread it

[toxic lichen]

i will find where you live

[tropic juniper]

wakka wakka wakka 😄

[toxic lichen]

get your pacman sounding ahh out of here ;-;

[hidden pebble]

My incoming truck throughput is continuously decreasing😔

[fluid crow]

either the trip is talking longer or it's picking up less stuff

[nova ridge]

#screenshots message

for a brief moment it was nice

[hidden pebble]

It went through a few back and forths. Should have reached steady states.

[toxic lichen]

btw
how do i get the coffee cup ;-;

i bought it from the shop
but idk how to get my hands on it now

[hidden pebble]

Equip it like any other tool

[toxic lichen]

but where ;-;

[hidden pebble]

Did you take it out of the shop?

[toxic lichen]

is it not a physical item?

[toxic lichen]

hmmmmmm
hold on

[hidden pebble]

Go to purchases and take the cup out

[fluid crow]

pick it up at the shop maybe

[toxic lichen]

yea
im slow
mb

[hidden pebble]

Average condition after playing satisfactory for 10 hours straight

[reef basin]

all starting locations are just fine and you'll end up having factories all over the map anyway. There's no reason to bring everything to one place

[glacial drum]

Spent bout half an hour or so developing a new battery blueprint

Hello 10,800 MWh per blueprint

Wonder how much I should make of these..

[vale bough]

waow

[acoustic bear]

can you hold enough in the dimensional depot to print it?

[glacial drum]

No

[acoustic bear]

or do you need to have stuff in your inventory

because I can't print my battery blueprint more than once

and mine's only 2500mwh

[glacial drum]

It takes 10,800 wires, 1,080 mod frames, and 540 concrete just for the batteries alone

[acoustic bear]

yup

[glacial drum]

tbh i’m not even sure where to place it

I’ve got some 36 battery blueprints behind my iron factory so ig there

[acoustic bear]

I've been going vertical for awhile now

[glacial drum]

It’s 3 floors 36 per floor yea

[acoustic bear]

mining and refining happens at sea level and then everything moves to about 200m up for processing

[glacial drum]

The original 7 blueprints I had held 25,200 MWh

I’ll be able to take up less space (horizontally) and get more storage just going up

[vale bough]

i just passed phase 3 for the first time and now i have to build an aluminum factory on top of my horrible spaghetti infrastructure..

and the bauxite is on top of a mountain

[gentle stratus]

u gotta try rebuild ur whole base

[vale bough]

...i already did that 3 times at this point

but for ficsit, i will pull another all nighter i guess

[gentle stratus]

thats the most annoying part

but also satisfying

[hidden pebble]

After lots of brainstorming I finally decided I'll use the "underground metro route" to transport my uranium.

[hidden pebble]

Hey what's the femboy server🤣

[gentle stratus]

lol

[glacial drum]

Speaking of uranium.. I think it might be time to finally make nuke nobelisks..

[gentle stratus]

do u want this tag too?

[hidden pebble]

I do hope I won't magically find programmer socks and a lenovo ThinkPad on me

[gentle stratus]

ah

[hidden pebble]

But I'm curious about this femboy server

[gentle stratus]

im not seriously using this tag

thats sm like a joke

i would say local joke w my friends

btw,any good uranium nodes spots?

[solar apex]

Is satisfactory good for someone who's not good at building?

[gentle stratus]

u will be able to build everything after few hours in this game

[mild quarry]

Should I make nuclear or rocket fuel as a power source for around 100GW

[gentle stratus]

nuclear!

[mild quarry]

Okay thx!

[solar apex]

Cool I assume you factories could be as simple or as complex as you want which is awesome

[hidden pebble]

Players generally follow this behaviour tree
If you can build, you build properly
If you can't build, you build spaghetti
If you mind spaghetti, you look up sources for ideas, then rebuild/ spend more time designing
If you don't, you continue building spaghetti

[hidden pebble]

The one behind the waterfall in the swamp?

[severe pewter]

-I might have just picked up on the issue with priority mergers. Do they have an internal buffer, and if so, how big?

I'm thinking the issue may be a math rounding error

[solar apex]

Do players generally just want their factorys to function or look good also?

[severe pewter]

Yes

[gentle stratus]

is it pure or sm?

[hidden pebble]

Impure. No pure uranium nodes. It's just there's some beautiful creepy crawlies there🤣

[rain hollow]

I finally have every depot upgrade

[gentle stratus]

ohhh

these stingers are soo annoying

[nocturne ridge]

how do you unlock glass roofs? I unlocked the roof set from the shop , but that only gave me the FICSIT variation

[hidden pebble]

That's not important. The question is, what do YOU want?

For example, I'm kibitz and drawing xaos both make incredibly detailed and working massive megafactories, but then, they have the time to sink because it's their passion and livelihood.

[rain hollow]

You need to have silica unlocked I think

Because it needs silica to make glass roofs

Silica is unlocked in the MAM under quartz

[nocturne ridge]

I do have that - I completed the right side of the Silica tree

[rain hollow]

Don't know then

[nocturne ridge]

Complaining helped me find it - it's a "material" under the Customizer tab in the shop all the way wat the bottom, below the paints

"glass roof material"

[rain hollow]

I know, I thought you meant it wasn't there

[quasi warren]

Wet concrete is my new favorite recipe.

[rain hollow]

Mine is probably super-state computer

[real shale]

Mine is charcoal

[flint flame]

unless user watched lets game it out play the game. then its all hell breaks loose from the getgo for that user starting to play.

[rain hollow]

Haven't tried is yet but if I remember correctly a lot of the items it needs can be made of almost entirely iron if you have certain alt recipes

[real shale]

And automated miners too

[rain hollow]

I just looked and two of the four items it needs can be done with just iron

Electromagnetic control rods and wire

The other two are computers and batteries

[real shale]

Wait what, control rods can be done with just iron?

[rain hollow]

With the right alt recipes

Wait never mind

I forgot they need ai limiters

[real shale]

Yeah I was about to say they need either AI limiters or high speed connectors

[rain hollow]

High speed connectors are for the normal recipe

[real shale]

they are for the alt

ai limiter one is the base recipe

[rain hollow]

I just unlocked the automated miner recipe

[versed cosmos]

theyd need at least copper and caterium right?

[rain hollow]

The base recipe needs both. I just looked

[rain hollow]

Yes

[versed cosmos]

could do plastic ai limiter to use oil instead of copper

its also cheaper on quickwire

[rain hollow]

Per minute yes not per cycle though

[versed cosmos]

other way around

more quickwire per minute but its less quickwire per ai limiter

standard recipe takes 20 quickwire to make 1 ai limiter, plastic ai limiter takes 30 quickwire to make 2 limiters

[rain hollow]

I meant more ai limiters per minute but more quick wire per cycle

[versed cosmos]

yeah

[rain hollow]

I'm just gonna be here for like an hour because I have like 7 hard drives to scan

[versed cosmos]

feels like we agree but its getting lost in how we're explaining it lol

[rain hollow]

Pretty much

[versed cosmos]

go explore or something

just throw down a mam whenever a harddrive finishes scanning

or build something

[rain hollow]

I wish you could have multiple MAMs going at once

[versed cosmos]

would defeat the point of harddrives taking 10 minutes

[rain hollow]

Not if the extras could only scan hard drives and are more expensive to make

[versed cosmos]

it still makes hard drives faster to scan on average because you can have multiple going at once

if youre scanning 2 hard drives and both take 10 minutes but they can scan at the same time then one only takes 5 minutes

[vale bough]

actual godsend.. there is a coal node right next to the bauxite node in the pink forest!

[rain hollow]

I just saw how backed up my uranium fuel rods are getting

[versed cosmos]

build in the swamp and use the crude oil resource well with electrode scrap

[versed cosmos]

smart splitter sending overflow to sink!

fuel rods can be sunk right?

[rain hollow]

Ｎｏ

[vale bough]

i dont understand, this is my first time playing im only just beginning phase 4

[versed cosmos]

bro i just built aluminium in the swamp and its awesome

[real shale]

speaking of nuclear, i think its time i start make nuke nobelisks

[clear aspen]

Is there hydrogen gas in satisfactory

[sullen locust]

If you eat fast food slowly...
Is it still fast food?
...
...
...
...
Isn't that concerning?
...

[versed cosmos]

i used extra HOR to make fuel so it powers itself

independent from the rest of my grid

[rain hollow]

No it just means you're slow

[sullen locust]

If you do a handstand!
Are you lifting the earth?
Or...
The earth is lifting you?
...
...
...
...
Isn't that concerning
?

[rain hollow]

That's what I'm trying to do

[real shale]

i dont wanna go nuclear yet until i have particle accelerators

[versed cosmos]

the electrode scrap alternate recipe replaces coal for aluminium scrap with petroleum coke, which can be made from heavy oil residue

[rain hollow]

The earth is supporting your Weight the same as if you were standing normally

[clear aspen]

Is there hydrogen gas in satisfactory?

[real shale]

no

[versed cosmos]

there is not hydrogen gas in satisfactory

[clear aspen]

Ah Alr

[versed cosmos]

would be interesting to be able to electrolyze water for oxygen and hydrogen as another pathway to rocket fuel

[real shale]

oh no i booted up the game guess im not sleeping tonight

[versed cosmos]

although that would be so much easier than the in-game rocket fuel

[versed cosmos]

who needs sleep when the factory must grow?

[severe pewter]

There are two, a normal and impure I believe

[real shale]

but think about it joe....hydrogen bombs....... we could deforest even more efficently

[severe pewter]

And a third not too far off

[versed cosmos]

honestly if you think about it the pioneer could become so deadly if they could fully utilise the planet's resources

[vale bough]

nice, im not building a permanent factory here yet, i just want the hover pack so i can stop jumping around like a drunk frog watching football

[real shale]

you have reminded me about all the coal i brought in from the red forest but never actually used because i used electrode scrap instead

[versed cosmos]

iron, coal, and oil were the kingmaker resources of the industrial revolution

[real shale]

wait...i've got an idea.... i can use it for diamonds later

[severe pewter]

Turbo fuel btw

[versed cosmos]

just buy from the awesome shop

[vale bough]

do i need that?

[versed cosmos]

the resources you need to craft it i mean

[vale bough]

.......im an idiot

[versed cosmos]

its easier to skip immediately to rocket fuel with the nitro rocket fuel alt recipe

[vale bough]

thanks so much

[real shale]

yeah honestly, i personally find turbo fuel more of a headache than its worth at the stage of the game you use it, other than for packaged turbofuel for jetpack fuel

[vale bough]

i can stop embarresing myself with floating train tracks now

[severe pewter]

Lift-wise, for the jet fuels, it gives the most bang for the buck until nitro. There is biofuel, which feels like it runs forever, but the lift is terrible so I don't use it

[versed cosmos]

a lot of people here will tell you not to buy resources from the awesome shop because you can automate them and while that's generally good advice its good to be able to apply nuance and realise when that's more worth it to you than automating something

[wanton cloud]

a

[versed cosmos]

instead of just "NEVER buy resources from the shop"

sometimes its worth it if you just need a little

[real shale]

although i find it hilarious that you can unlock rocket fuel before you can even automate it

[severe pewter]

If you want to unlock everything including trophies, buying resources from it is beyond insane

[vale bough]

yeah, i dont like to buy materials but i think flying is worth it

[wanton cloud]

that's the wrong mindset. I went throught ENTIRETY of phase 3 milestones without making a single p3 machine

[solid idol]

I only buy resources if I need it and don’t feel like going and making it

[versed cosmos]

better advice is that generally you should avoid buying from the awesome shop if you can automate instead, but sometimes the time youd spend automating something is worth more than the coupons youd use to just buy the thing

[severe pewter]

Still 300 from the nut I think, tickets are ~30m each

[real shale]

i kinda wanna slightly break immersion and build an underground nuclear waste storage by using the train glitch

[versed cosmos]

make it into plutonium rods and sink it!

[real shale]

cant do that yet i dont have particle accelerators

[solid idol]

Yeah I bought some quartz crystal and some bombs cuz I’m not tryna go automate or make that rn it’s a convenience fee

[versed cosmos]

give it to a lizard doggo and blast it off a cliff with a pulse nobelisk

[wanton cloud]

i js buy it from the shop and i'll automate it later

[versed cosmos]

that's the way

[real shale]

hmmmmm do i do what i want to do or do everything except what i wanna do

[versed cosmos]

i bought alclad sheets for the conveyors i needed for my aluminium factory

[tame root]

is 1000mw good

[solid idol]

Yeah it’s not like we have limited resources our tickets will be replenished anyway

[versed cosmos]

me building 2400 rocket fuel instead of alu

[real shale]

depends on what stage of the game you are at

[versed cosmos]

yeah thatll last you the entire game

[wanton cloud]

i bought a bunch of plastic for mk2 pipes to be more efficent

[severe pewter]

I nabbed 3 doggos and keep them in a pen, and regularly empty their pockets for the free goodies. They funded my aluminum startup and about 1/3 of the T8 unlocks

[real shale]

just gotta seriously underclock any particle accelerators

[tame root]

good

[versed cosmos]

im joking please dont take that seriously lol

[real shale]

he's not being serious, you need a lot more for later stages of the game

[versed cosmos]

assuming youve just set up coal power its decent

i usually build 16 coal generators and rush to oil power

[solid idol]

Lmao yeah I only got like 3k mw from using fuel plants so far

[real shale]

i remember my first fuel power plant in the blue crater

[solid idol]

I need mk2 pipes before I make more

[real shale]

my god that was inefficient, im glad i got rid of it

i should have really taken before and after photos

[wanton cloud]

getting dogs is too much of a hackle for me

[vale bough]

LETS GOOO! i got the hover pack its AMAZING

[versed cosmos]

the only downside is that when youre building something new you wait until its done to connect it to power lmao

[severe pewter]

I didn't hunt for them. But the trek back is annoying

[versed cosmos]

i wish i couldve used hoverpack for my alu plant but its completely disconnected from the rest of my grid which is all in the rocky desert

and im in the swamp for alu

[solid idol]

Time to run copious amounts of wire across the map

[tame root]

is there anyway to get 100% efficiency for smart plates 240 iron/m

[versed cosmos]

underclocking!

[solid idol]

Underclocking is underrated

[tame root]

do you need to unclock underclocking (Im new)

[versed cosmos]

ok so for smart plating the most you can get out of 240 iron with default recipes is 10.323

yes research it in the mam

[tame root]

thanks

[versed cosmos]

also DO THE MAM RESEARCH the game doesnt push you to do it but it is incredibly powerful

[solid idol]

Try to eliminate screws any recipe that gets rid of screws is great

[tame root]

what is the best biome

[solid idol]

I hate screws

[daring idol]

Question, am I blind, or is the Hard Drive icon just not available in the Icon Browser for bilboards and Displays and such?
I have typed in "Hard Drive", the item is called "Hard Drive". This isn't rocket science, and yet it is.

[versed cosmos]

youll be all over the map eventually

[fading whale]

Pick up a slug (any color). This unlocks that research branch of the mam where you can unlock over- /under-clocking

[versed cosmos]

rocky desert is the best biome to start in imo

[solid idol]

I’d rather start in the forest more resources there

[versed cosmos]

rocky desert has a ton of resources

only thing i can think it lacks early game is copper

[solid idol]

It does too yeah but not much for bio fuel which is needed early game

[versed cosmos]

just run up to the red forest

[solid idol]

That’s effort tho

[versed cosmos]

i do that early game and get a full inventory of wood and leaves

[severe pewter]

Southern grasslands were great for me until crystal. And oil started on the west coast

[tame root]

how do i see the resources i need for an entire build/factory

[versed cosmos]

quartz is always an issue. there's only i think 6 clusters of nodes on the whole map.

[severe pewter]

I do the math for everything, but some people spray n' pray, and some use web apps

[versed cosmos]

use satisfactorytools.com

[solid idol]

I do the math for the basic low level parts then wing it until I have the time to make it better

[fading whale]

Most used tools are the satisfactorytools.com page or the Satisfactory Modeler free on Steam.

[blissful fable]

ummm i think i have a unique lizard doggo that doesnt adhere to reality...

[versed cosmos]

that's normal

[fading whale]

I don't think any of them do.

[versed cosmos]

standard lizard doggo behaviour

[blissful fable]

ohh so it fazing through the ground is normal got it

[solid idol]

2 out of my 3 lizard doggos are just gone idk where they went

[blissful fable]

because i just checked satisfactory calculator and its -7000 underground

[wanton cloud]

reason number one why i don't own doggos

[solid idol]

The only reason my last one is still around is because he’s stuck on a railing on my catwalk

[wanton cloud]

reason number two why i don't own doggos

[solid idol]

He does give me bombs a lot tho

[wanton cloud]

make your own bombs

[solid idol]

Nah I’m lazy

[vale bough]

so apperently the hover pack runs on power (which is super cool) but for off grid stuff is there like a generator i can use fuel for?

[versed cosmos]

just use the jetpack

[tame root]

what is the strongest power setup you made

[blissful fable]

so just checked satisfactory calculator interactive map (after i got it above groundand promptly fazed through the ground) my lizard doggo is dead...

[versed cosmos]

liquid biofuel si good

[fading whale]

You either bring fuel and use the jetpack, or run a long powerline. The range of the hoverpack is about the same as the max lengt of cable between poles.

[vale bough]

got it

[versed cosmos]

also you can set up an alien power augmenter and run poles around where you need to hover

[vale bough]

i dont want to know what that is rn, im just gonna go fix my infrastructure..

[fading whale]

I combine it. Use the jetpack to explore. If I find a spot where I need to do more work, I have a BP with a bio-burner that runs a un-packager that feeds a fuel generator. Drop some fuel in, and I have ~250mw of local power.

Also use this to power crash sites if needed 🙂

[versed cosmos]

good solution if you dont have the powre augmenter ig

[stoic spear]

i hate the heavy modular frames

[fading whale]

You get used to it.

[versed cosmos]

use the alt recipes iron pipe, encased industrial pipe, and encased heavy frame

[winter rapids]

I like your pfp and name lol

[wanton cloud]

well you should, cause you need me

[fading whale]

I have a whole box of you.

[wanton cloud]

that is concerning.

[untold moat]

what is the ideal ratio of train engines to freight cars again?

[wanton cloud]

as someone who never dealt with trains before, 1:3

i made that number up

[fading whale]

One locomotive everytime you add a 4'th wagon.

[wanton cloud]

so 1:4?

[real shale]

man having mk3 miners is a game changer

[stoic spear]

im trying to unlock that right now

[fading whale]

1:4 should work. So 3-4 wagons. Single locomotive.
4-7 wagons. Two locomotives.
8-11 wagons. Three locomotives
etc.

[wanton cloud]

well, i was close

[wanton cloud]

mk3 miners confuse me a bit.
do you get 4x or 3x the original rate?
how much /min do you get on a normal node

[fading whale]

Direction and placement on the train stem doesn't matter. As long as the front locomotive is pointing in the driving direction. This is the one that docks at the station.

[real shale]

you get 240 a min on a normal node with mk3

so 600/min max

[ancient sierra]

if i break someting and it has stuff in it and my invotory is full where the stfuff is going

[real shale]

dismantle crate

it should spawn near you

[hidden python]

What’s the furthest I should use conveyor belts

[fading whale]

The kill border around the map. Don't build past that.

[reef basin]

whatever you choose

[real shale]

entirely up to you, you could run a belt across the map if you so please

[fading whale]

What Nerdmojer wrote. You can check your map to see if you have dropped any. Sometimes the drop up in the air and between rocks. So can be difficult to spot at first sight 🙂

[hidden python]

Sigh

[reef basin]

what kind of answer do you expect in a sandbox game

[sick falcon]

for thermal propulsion rocket production, do you guys make all the motors in one place and then send them down the line as needed, or make them in separate places for each separate component

[sick falcon]

until its annoying

[winter rapids]

lol

[hidden python]

Okay but I meant like till I switch to another mode of transportation

[sick falcon]

youll always use them

[reef basin]

yeah, entirely up to you

[sick falcon]

every transport method in this game has its niche (except for trucks)

[wanton cloud]

that means 4x the mk1 miner rate. got it

[real shale]

i will not tolerate truck slander in here

[wanton cloud]

please elaborate

[real shale]

trucks my beloved

[wanton cloud]

i've only used tractors

twice

[fading whale]

In that case, read what everyone is saying 🙂
No practical limit.
I would gladly run a belt for a km or more to get a single resource or item to a factory if it is far from my already established rail system.

[wooden jewel]

anyone have a motor factory plan

[wanton cloud]

no

[wooden jewel]

oh

ok

[wanton cloud]

mhm

[sick falcon]

i think drones, trains, and conveyors all have use cases, but trucks dont really do anything that the others dont do better

[peak wasp]

It always makes me so angry how wide truck depots are

[wanton cloud]

so trucks are the middle men of vehicles?

[peak wasp]

They're just one nudge larger than 1.5 foundations

[sick falcon]

i guess yea

[real shale]

trucks are awesome, i love trucks

[fading whale]

I like trains.

[hollow hemlock]

poor little tractors, ignored again

[wanton cloud]

i think they'd be kinda wide for the roads i've already designed

[real shale]

WAIT NO NONONONON (insert asdfmovie reference here)

[peak wasp]

I use tractors a lot. I mean, tractors and trucks are basically just replacements for miles of conveyor belts

They can never surpass the throughput of the two belts in/out of the truck station

So if the tractor is able to take enough resources in one haul then tractors are kinda just a waste of resources

[hollow hemlock]

I want tractors to be offroad tracked vehicles, then no more building roads

[peak wasp]

Though wasting resources doesn't really matter lol

[peak wasp]

Halftracks! That would be so cool

[real shale]

mmmm power lines.... i love power lines

[wanton cloud]

the explorer is right there

[peak wasp]

I wish vehicles were easier to drive to set up routes

Sometimes it feels like they're made of jelly

[wanton cloud]

not suprising considering that we're on a really low-gravity planet

[boreal agate]

my current map is almot entirely factory cart transport

I have fallen off my roads countless time and lost a few through the map

I want to shill the factory carts, they really are the best form of transport for high stack count items

[peak wasp]

Say, would you all say that using vehicles is only done for aesthetic purposes?

Because they are pretty innefficient to setup compared to haphazardly throwing down a conveyor belt

And they take fuel for the vehicles and power for the stations

[sick falcon]

for early game, just make a block making rotors, a block making stators, and then combine them in a block making motors

[versed cosmos]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=4gmSGyUNl0k2keYPnigH

[rain hollow]

I FINALLY DID IT!

I UNLOCKED NUKE NOBELISKS!

[hollow hemlock]

Go forth and use them on totally inappropriate targets!

[rain hollow]

ＹＥＳ

[little drum]

Okay, after hours of work I have finished my first set of blueprints. Where can I find them in the file to make a backup?

I want them to be useable for all future game

[crude holly]

#screenshots message
First ever functional perm factory. It isn't pretty and probably is very wasteful of a pure iron node. But it's now automating smart plating for rocket and future awesome sink 🙂

[little drum]

(In case you're curious: I have made 72 blueprints total...)

[fading whale]

And the heavens rejoiced !

[little drum]

You're the kind to like them denser than a brick XD

[crude holly]

Well I'm experimenting lol

[rain hollow]

I also just grabbed I think five alternative recipes

[crude holly]

I'm realizing that now I want to make more sprawling factories rather than a compact thing

[warm finch]

no such thing as "wasting" an iron node. They are plentiful across the ma

[crude holly]

It is horrible to try and make things compact and still looking nice

[fading whale]

%localappdata%\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\blueprints

[warm finch]

using the mk3 blueprint and mk6 belts?

[crude holly]

Also not knowing the game well enough has made me realize there are a lot of ways I could have probably optimized this and made it less compact and more functional

but 🤷‍♂️

[soft marsh]

#screenshots message Behold...le disk

[fading whale]

To use them in a new game, just create a folder called same as your savegame folder, and copy them there.

[warm finch]

that's the fun part of learning and playing the game. that's why there are people with a fuckton more hours than I do (1200)

[little drum]

There is another, more practical reason for sprawl: if you make a mistake and need to fix something, if your factory is ultradense it's hard to find a good solution

[little drum]

I'm using mk4 belts and mk2 pipes, but I'm probably doing sets

[soft marsh]

Now to decide if this is something I'm actually going to use or if I'm going to just destroy it and move on lol

[little drum]

For now I'm using this one

[crude holly]

Yeah that is something I'm realizing as well

[real shale]

use it for an observation deck or something

[rain hollow]

I got nitro rocket fuel, wet concrete, encased steel pipes, pure copper ingot, and iron alloy ingot

[little drum]

Once you unlock things like pure recipes you'll probably tear down all your old factories

[soft marsh]

I have most of the recipes already. This is like my 20th rebuild lol

[little drum]

Like, you're using screws in your recipes. For now it's completely fine but generally late game designs try to cut them off entirely

[warm finch]

meh, nothing wrong with screws. especially when you have mk6 belts.

[soft marsh]

idk if that was meant for me or someone else but I rarely use screws now lol

[real shale]

there are some good screw based recipes

[little drum]

I generally try to avoid them because they're just a huge bottleneck

[soft marsh]

I might make a power tower out of this design...I think I can fit quite a few generators in this circle....

[real shale]

copper rotor my beloved

[little drum]

You end up running 4 belts to where they're needed

[little drum]

I'm probably gonna be crucified for this but I prefer steel rotor

Building rotors and stators on the same line is so convenient

[warm finch]

it is convenient. nothing wrong with that

[soft marsh]

I can fit 9 generators in this circle.... hmmmmm

[fickle locust]

I'm not crucifying you, this is also what I prefer and for teh same reason

[boreal agate]

not at all

this is why I am on team factory cart. Easiest way to get 500+ unit per minute transport in early game

I currently have factory cart routes 2-15 km because it is easier to maintain than conveyors with higher throughput. Not high enough to justify a train

i noticed that most of the time, a single tractor on a short loop was only moving maybe 2 stacks and cost half a stack of coal per route

why not put down 2 carts fo free

[soft marsh]

This power tower is going to be a huge pain to build sooo maybe I wont...

[boreal agate]

tower of power is a good band

[crude holly]

I had to tear down the entire factory. The math for the entire thing was wrong...

And come to find out I had the entire belt system installed backwards.

[little drum]

Foreshadowing is a literary device in which-

[rain hollow]

I'm setting up heavy modular frames again since I haven't done that yet since after I moved my base

[crude holly]

Live and learn. Glad it was something as shitty as smart plating and not something super advanced

[boreal agate]

I stack vertical personally and just delete segments like pieces of a sandwich

[rain hollow]

And I'm realising I can do all of it with just iron and limestone

[fickle locust]

It works nicely that there's a recipe to make more iron using iron+limestone

[little drum]

I mean you can but iron pipe is so bad with iron I do it with steel anyways

Steeled Frames, Encased Pipes and Heavy Encased Frames are my GOATs for HMF

[soft marsh]

Damn like...I really want to do it but at the same time I'd have to build it by hand...not much bps could do here...so I dont really want to lol

Each tower, to fit about 100, would have to be 400m tall, maybe 300 if I can clip a bit.

[jaunty vault]

Do yall like to use caterium computers or crystal computers

[fickle locust]

I like both of them
Caterium Computers are so expensive for circuit boards, which makes me want to prefer Crystal... but then I have to make oscillators and I hate oscillators with a passion

[jaunty vault]

Thats what im saying. Itd be nice to be able to assemble the computers but to do that im still manufacturing oscillators so it doesnt really make a lot of sense for me to set up

At least, not yet. Once I get my trains down maybe but even then idk. How much will I need computers?

[fickle locust]

A lot, though they get much easier when you have trains
I wouldn't even do Cat computer without trains because how are you moving the rubber

[versed cosmos]

i dont think there's a good location to do computers without long range transport, any recipe you use

[boreal agate]

factory carts

[little drum]

I tend to do silicon board with caterium computers

I'm not a huge fan of crystal computers

[jaunty vault]

Thats true. I was just thinking that. I have the pure node at the bottom of the map then the closest oil is up the coast

[jaunty vault]

Exactly what i was thinking good shit

I have a ton of boards just sitting

[reef basin]

no reason to do so

[reef basin]

no, you make them where they are needed

[little drum]

ehhhhh... this isn't really how I roll in my factories

[reef basin]

well that's what the game tries to teach you with screws 😉

[hazy topaz]

SCREW SCREWS

[little drum]

I gotta admit, to me what the game tells with screws is that they can go screw themselves

[reef basin]

[hazy topaz]

i LOATHE screws

[reef basin]

there's no reason to hate them, unless you build them wrong, at which point it's not really the screws' fault, it's yours 😛

[stoic nebula]

is there a channel or smth to give ideas for game improvement?

[stoic nebula]

SO REAL

[little drum]

They're unwieldy? They force you to allocate large amounts of space to them? They generate extra space constraints? The good recipes don't use them anyways?

[fickle locust]

The left side of the inlet on the northern forest/rocky desert border has quartz (in the cave), copper, iron, coal, and limestone

[reef basin]

they rarely need more space than the alternatives
and "good" recipes are very much subjective

[hazy topaz]

why can’t I just not like screws 😭

[little drum]

And perhaps the worst of all: because they stifle big manifolds... they are unsatisfactory.

[reef basin]

you don't put them on a manifold

[little drum]

QED

[crude holly]

I will now making flat factories or very open vertical

😵‍💫

[unkempt blade]

You can. We're just going to judge you for it

[little drum]

Well we're gonna judge you right back!

[soft marsh]

Alright eff, it, power towers are happening I just need to decide where to build them

[glacial drum]

Remaking my old ass factory to make 35 limiters a minute among other things (all tech parts) Jesus this is taking forever to sink crap

[unkempt blade]

Yeah well you're amazing and talented I believe in your building skills to continue improving until screws aren't an issue so there!

[hazy topaz]

then i’m gonna hate on something that’s loved

[reef basin]

comparing the steel rotor chain with copper rotor chain (f.e. 100/min), they use practically equal space, while steel rotor uses 610 iron, and copper rotor uses 80 copper, 40 iron and 70 coal

(ignoring water in both cases, though copper rotor needs less water, so less space 😉 )

[hazy topaz]

lizard doggo is next on my hate list

[little drum]

Isn't it a bit cheating to use the iron pipe recipe to make sure the result looks ridiculous?

[little drum]

I've already made them a non-issue :P

[reef basin]

I used the most resource efficient chain

[unkempt blade]

they're living rent free in your head as long as you have to avoid them

[reef basin]

though checking numbers without iron pipe, it's still similar

288 iron + 200 coal
vs 80 copper + 40 iron + 70 coal

space still practically equal

[little drum]

They're not living rent-free, I've trashed them long ago

[unkempt blade]

your hate list is very basic, you should take a swing at trains or something if you want an unpopular opinion!

[little drum]

Okay, that's one recipe where screws may be more efficient, provided you use a recipe that forces me to do things in a way totally different to what I usually do

[reef basin]

fun fact, even normal rotor seems better (resource-wise) than steel rotor - 101 iron + 187 coal

[little drum]

I know that

[reef basin]

uh, it very much depends on your definition of "efficient"

[little drum]

It's a combination of factors

[hazy topaz]

darn it 😔

[reef basin]

and given everyone has different preferences, everyone will pick different ways to do things 🙂

I'm not saying you should always use screws, but I'm saying that you shouldn't recommend people to evade it without reason

(and I know you have a reason, but they don't)

[little drum]

That's why I used steeled frames, both other recipes that need screws in HMFs can be safely discarded in favor of a better one. I know steeled frames is technically not the best but it's still far better than having to readd screws

[little drum]

I still think it's generally a good tip

Several persons are typing...

[real shale]

🙂‍↕️

[zenith pecan]

The best tip tbh is if using screws, put the machines making them next to the machines using them, that way you're not left trying to move 1500 screws down a 480 belt.

[reef basin]

I think it's a horrible tip, because screws are supposed to teach you that there are other logistical ways you should implement than just "manifold everything", and you'll need that for your wire/quickwire production

(again, a seasoned player will decide on their own what to do, but new players shouldn't be told to ignore ways to learn things; similarly I don't like people suggesting to evade steel)

[little drum]

yeah you know what I'm getting a bit tired of this not going to lie...

[unkempt blade]

Yeah well I AM here to say you should always use screws and on top of that you should always move them with factory carts when possible

[reef basin]

there's no "best" anyway, just something you prefer more 🙂

[unkempt blade]

except cast screws, which is objectively the best alt recipe

[soft marsh]

Damn the curve doesn't match the world grid very well....

[reef basin]

world grid is a trap 🙂

[soft marsh]

World grid helps my OCD lol

correction - not OCD

[reef basin]

I'd personally recommend making local grids 😉

[soft marsh]

Perfectionism

[little drum]

By definition a tip is going to be subjective if the person in question isn't an omniscient god

[soft marsh]

Im gonna have to for this I think

[worldly badger]

Guys maybe stupid question but got railway issue. Got 4 side 2 lanes mixing in all 4 directions and was thinking what will be more effective and easier to "not duck up".

Cross or roundabout?

I belive circle will be more effective but maybe someone got similar problem, better ask as always

[reef basin]

sure, though new people don't realise that. I'm not saying you're the cause, but people who go around throwing claims similar to yours are the reason we get people coming here with very wild things, because they believe there's "good" and "bad" recipes, they believe screws are there to be ignored and so on and so on. Like if they decide on their own to ignore them that's fine, but so many people have (and this will be very subjective, but I stand behind it) bad experience in the game, because they skipped the natural learning curve the game offers and instead ignored it because random yt video told them so

[unkempt blade]

objectively not all tips are subjective

[reef basin]

roundabout is most crap junction in terms of efficiency (aka number of trains running)

I'm not sure why so many people default to them

the standard cross is already a bit better, and if you need more throughput, do 3D junctions

[worldly badger]

Soo cross then? Or is other ones u suggest?

[reef basin]

see above 🙂

[little drum]

I mean there are recipes that are just bad but I guess we'll just agree to disagree

[unkempt blade]

embrace complicated train intersections! #screenshots message

[soft marsh]

I think most people assume that constant flow = more throughput but also fail to consider the trains yielding to other

[worldly badger]

Yea but need all ways soo 3d migotanie be tricky

[little drum]

Like how coke diamonds is just worse than petroleum diamonds

[real shale]

petroleum diamonds are coke diamonds....

[worldly badger]

Got one place where 7 trains mix and when they come togetter its kinda slow

Specialy they turnaround At station atm

[little drum]

*oil

oil diamonds is the better one

[reef basin]

no

the chain from oil to diamonds which includes coke diamonds is worse than the chain which includes oil based diamonds in terms of oil consumption

which already is "not in all cases"

[unkempt blade]

train roundabouts are ok at fairly low traffic but a headache once you start using your rail network more

[worldly badger]

Oil one can set 6 machines to operate

[little drum]

Okay this is getting old. Charcoal. There. Worst recipe in the game. Happy now?

[reef basin]

you can stay at 2D for most cases. If you do "almost direct" routes, you won't have much traffic

[reef basin]

how can a recipe be bad if it literally unlocks something you can't normally do? 🤔

(again, just because you don't see a use for it for your saves doesn't mean it's bad in general)

[worldly badger]

Problem is there is many direct traffic, like 5 trains going same way At all 😂

[little drum]

Okay I'm now assuming you're trolling. It's 20 minutes past midnight and I'm getting tired of that. Good night.

[reef basin]

5 trains should be fine

[worldly badger]

I belive I need make 2 store for it

[unkempt blade]

it's certainly no biocoal which is amazing

[reef basin]

I'm not trolling and there are legit setups that people use that involve biocoal/charcoal

[unkempt blade]

I personally don't care for biocoal/charcoal but I've heard plenty of people unironically say they like it during exploration, etc.

[reef basin]

ammo factories as well

come, dump your biostuff, grab ammo, you'll have next ammo ready when you come next time

[warm finch]

He is not trolling. Greeny is one of the oldest veterans of the game and has been here a long time with great wisdom to share. He has A LOT to teach and makes great points.

[worldly badger]

I belive there is no bad good rec At game, some are more or less usefull depend of resource and location u are

[reef basin]

(there's also that fun thing that you can turn biomass into nuclear rods, which involves biocoal, but that's not what I'd add under "legit" builds)

[warm finch]

Ok Ima do this just to mess with you lol

[worldly badger]

Well from grass to nukes

[warm finch]

circle of life

[little drum]

Look I wanted out of this conversation half a hour ago.

Anyways, muting the server for the time being, I'm a bit sick and not in the best of moods.

(sorry about that)

[boreal agate]

I honestly went steel screws and just set up 1 factory for it never to look back

let the carts run it around

[unkempt blade]

Feel better! Go watch the puppy bowl!

[boreal agate]

factory carts are honestly the cheat code to this game

free resources delivered on a schedule and any other vehicle just plows right through them

[pastel surge]

Do you guys use the pure aluminom recipe

[hazy topaz]

is it possible to move people who’ve joined your game but probably won’t come back but they are in the middle of your factory

[unkempt blade]

you can smack them until they die then loot their crate and move it somewhere out of the way

otherwise the little sitting person will just stick around at the same spot

[unkempt blade]

only when rolling the dice tells me to use it

[crude holly]

I changed how my smart plating was being made. But now it's only 4 plates a minute which leads to 240 an hour

How much smart plating is needed total?

[tropic juniper]

all of it

[warm finch]

for which phase?

[real shale]

had a miniature heart attack, took out a power line that was powering the oil extractors to my huge power plant

[warm finch]

heart attack? that's one of the fun parts of the game!

[crude holly]

Entire game

[robust sigil]

where are blueprints saved too? downloaded one from the scim

[warm finch]

don't worry about that. phase parts are not used for anything except the space elevator

[real shale]

UH OH, okay that definitely caused an issue lol

[warm finch]

check #faq

[crude holly]

Okay I'll just make this factory for 4 a minute

It'll passively make stuff while I progress the rest of the game :0

[soft marsh]

Soemthing I'm realizing with these power towers is I either have to build tall and try to fit 2 blenders worth of refineries into a single tower for 5 towers, or do 10 towers with 1 blender each and I'll end up in about the same power range I have rn

[warm finch]

this is the way. sink what you don't need

[stoic nebula]

i disagree with this idea, actually

[solid idol]

I also hate pipe mechanics Ngl

[stoic nebula]

bro they suck

[versed cosmos]

what problems with pipes do yall actually have

[stoic nebula]

everything

[warm finch]

there are worst mechanics out there. Satisfactory does a pretty good job of replicating fluid dynamics for pipes which is pretty challenging.

aggravating at times for sure lol. but usually not an issue unless you go BIG and COMPLICATED

[amber scroll]

Hey how much coal/minute do I need per coal power generator

[warm finch]

then that becomes more operator error than anything else. KISS

[versed cosmos]

the only problem i have with pipes is they struggle to get their full throughput reliably

[versed cosmos]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[warm finch]

if you look at the coal plant it'll tell you

[amber scroll]

I didn't see it on there

Why do you think I was asking

[versed cosmos]

top left itll tell you what different fuels you can use and how long one unit will last

[warm finch]

look on the fuel slot window and there's a small gear, click on that

[stoic nebula]

@warm finch only 1 good thing about pipes: how you merge them. like you connect the machines and put a cross

[versed cosmos]

standard coal is the best

[amber scroll]

Is that the same for Playstation?

[versed cosmos]

compacted coal does last longer but has a weird burntime that's hard to plan around and is better used for making later fuels like turbo and rocket fuel

[amber scroll]

That's what I'm using

[stoic nebula]

i just started making rocket fuel (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[warm finch]

honestly a fair question. I haven't the slightest clue regarding console UI.

[zenith pecan]

After using nitro rocket, I had a metric ton of compact coal byproduct that got used in making thousands of steel ingots.

[versed cosmos]

yeah that's a good way to use it

id just sink it tbh

[stoic nebula]

thats what im doing

[amber scroll]

I also just wanted to know how much coal it needed, I already knew about water

I assume by that graph its like

[zenith pecan]

The quanity of steel and that there was enough iron nearby, it made sense to have the power station take over as my primary source of steel.

[glacial drum]

My game crashed mid bombing to make more room for my big ass factory

[amber scroll]

120/8

[glacial drum]

Think that’s a sign for a break

[stoic nebula]

LOL

[real shale]

#screenshots message all i did was delete a power pole for a couple seconds aaaaaa

[glacial drum]

The game doesn’t want me making 35 ai limiters a minute..

[warm finch]

welcome to the satisfactory experience

[stoic nebula]

scariest sound ever

[stoic nebula]

try making 20 mod frames a miniute.....

[real shale]

its fine ive managed to save it, but i did start seeing a bunch of my fuel generators showing red lights

[zenith pecan]

Here's the foundry using the power stations run off #design-and-architecture message , it is not small and its full of overclocked machines.

[glacial drum]

Oh I’m already making 10

Alt recipes make mod frames a piece of cake

[warm finch]

only 20? lol

[glacial drum]

That and.. being in phase 5

[stoic nebula]

i dont have alts but it was a pain in the butt to build

[stoic nebula]

i spent so long doing it....

[warm finch]

why not? they are out there in the open

[stoic nebula]

uh.... i only use fuel alts, cast iron screws, and the iron pipes for steel pipes

[warm finch]

but you hate pipe mechanics. that would include pipe alt recipes, no?

[zenith pecan]

My iron basics plant will produce more than that along with encased beams, iron plates, iron rods and reinforced plates (30 of each) just for depot duty.

[stoic nebula]

im just not far enough to know if i need to save them bc there might be an alt i need for nukes

[stoic nebula]

yes

[warm finch]

there are more HDDs than there are recipes and inventory slots. no need to save HDDs

[stoic nebula]

sob this game makes me cry

[real shale]

nobelisks dont have any alt recipes anyway... unless you count fine black powder as one

[stoic nebula]

rlly?

[warm finch]

yes really. use all the hdds to your heart's content. you won't run out

[zenith pecan]

Should see my quartz plant that makes 60 oscillators, 450 quartz crystals and 750 silica, #design-and-architecture message (partial footage)

[simple wing]

how

[stoic nebula]

okay good

[stoic nebula]

WOAH

[ebon marten]

Technically you do need to save hard drives. That is until you have the last tech unlocked in t9 I think it is now if you use all hard drives before then you will run out

[stoic nebula]

i wanna give u a base tour so u can see how bad it is compared to yours

[zenith pecan]

More complete but earlier view of the entire place #design-and-architecture message , it uses two pure and a normal quartz node.

[warm finch]

my pre 1.0 save game I was making 25 HMF/min and it wasn't enough lol

[warm finch]

Sorry, but not correct. there are more hdds across the map than there are total recipes and inventory slots available. If you have extra hdds but no recipes remaining, you can't scan them

[glacial drum]

There are I believe 106 usable drives in the MAM and 118 crash sites.

[stoic nebula]

hdds = hard drives right...

[warm finch]

yes

[zenith pecan]

If you actually hates pipes, you won't be fond of this place as it has loads, it's my power station #design-and-architecture message

[glacial drum]

Even so, you can buy hard drives for 100 tickets after 8-5 particle enrichment in the awesome shop.

[frosty bison]

I have 1800m³ of Ionized Fuel, the fuel generators consume around 3m³ of Ionized Fuel, fok gonna build 600 generators then lol

[ebon marten]

I haven't really played a whole lot over the last couple years so that's news to me and I didn't know you could buy hard drives in vanilla

[warm finch]

highly recommend not using ionized fuel for fuel gens. it's a net negative on energy use vs consuption for the complete product

[warm finch]

SO MUCH has changed and we're in 1.1 now. Check it out

[frosty bison]

yeah, I just read about it yesterday and I have already done it lol

[stoic nebula]

i spent many hours trying to use the water from the sylica plant before giving up just to package it and sink it

[ebon marten]

I have been watching Kibitz play but I haven't actually haven't played a whole lot myself

[stoic nebula]

i <3 kibitz

[zenith pecan]

Once I replace my iron basics, I'll get back to processing the entire spire coast, I have 15 platforms sucking up oil and spewing out thousands of plastic, I have another 8 platforms to build to handle rubber.

[warm finch]

use the alt recipes. no water byproduct.

[stoic nebula]

gasp

[glacial drum]

Is it not only a negative if using Dark-Ion? Shoot did I do my numbers wrong

[soft marsh]

I forgot how long it takes to build by hand

so used to blueprints

[warm finch]

I couldn't tell you, I haven't done the math myself personally. Check #math-and-meta I think there's a topic on it there.

[frosty bison]

yeah even at max power shard per machine I still need to build around 240 fuel generators, I'm gonna do it anyway, I already started it lol

[warm finch]

I remember the days when I had to build 488 fuel generators just for 20k mw of power lmao.

[zenith pecan]

So far this is the place that is eating most of the spire coast oil #design-and-architecture message 🤣 , once finished, it'll deal with all of it.

[warm finch]

always love your builds. Did you start a new save for 1.0 or did you carry it through?

[inland fulcrum]

Yo. Me and my friend just finished setting up coal, got tractors and are planning on doing steel next. Then in T4 with the power towers and hypertubes we're thinking we'll see what we get from phase 2 so tier 5 and 6, but we assume that our next best bet is to start properly setting up some "global" (obviously not the entire map but more than what we have rn which is just basically one base in the easy desert) and then go into phase 2 and especially 3 and 4 with a proper, clean infastructure across some areas on the map. We'll also have access to interdimensional depots then and stuff so this just seems like the perfect time for this. I'm just looking for some feedback, good plan or are we missing smth?

[zenith pecan]

I started over when 1.0 hit, my 3000h save from early access would have taken way too much effort to fix, and this time I'm using better recipes for more output.

[crude holly]

#screenshots message Your advice saved me a lot. @little drum

[zenith pecan]

That seems insufficient, in the old days I had 888 generators producing 133200mw.

[crude holly]

Thank you!

[frosty bison]

150,000MW of power doing nothing xD

Just the damn ionized fuel

[limpid iron]

turbofuel is the way to go for fuel gens before tier 7/8 fuels

[warm finch]

Recommend progressing a little further along before you worry about "clean infrastructure" "globally".

[warm finch]

personal preference. I hate turbofuel so I skip it entirely.

[real shale]

same

[limpid iron]

I mean my main factory makes like 40k megawatts with only about 160 gens

[real shale]

got by just fine with HOR and diluted fuel

[limpid iron]

number of gens can be reduced by overclocking

[warm finch]

I don't go big scale for fuel gens until I get nitro rocket fuel.

[real shale]

mine makes 75GW with 300 fuel gens being fed from fuel just

[warm finch]

until then I just limp along with coal and fuel lol

[inland fulcrum]

Can you specify a little?

[limpid iron]

I personally don't really like fuel, I reap the benefits of turbofuel efficiency

[warm finch]

with fuel gens now being 250mw/ea instead of 150, it goes much further lol

[real shale]

you'd be surprised just how much fuel on its own can stretch with HOR + diluted

[warm finch]

there's a lot of stuff in the awesome shop to buy out, more technology to unlock, faster belts, and larger pipes to unlock. you can really start to hone in on more clean infrastructure/efficiency with mk5 belts and mk2 pipes along with mk2 blue prints to hold you over until you get to phase 5

[warm finch]

I personally am not. those are the 2 MUST HAVE recipes in the game. bar none.

[main hinge]

hey guess what

[stoic nebula]

nods head passive aggressively

[warm finch]

don't you get aggressive with me.....

[warm finch]

I forgot to add, there's a lot of good recipes you will want to unlock as well to give yourself more flexibility

[dense violet]

seems reasonable - imo treat the milestones and tiers like a good tutorial. After you unlock everything its basically a sandbox. More like mine craft than other factory games. All about design and logistic choices

[warm finch]

well stated. the game imo doesn't really start until milestone 9 when you start incorporating everything you've learned a multi-line production

[glacial drum]

Back to my mega tech factory

[crude holly]

Okay after so many hours of just pissing around I've finally got my first factory. Might be pointless but now to decide how to use the Pure nodes nearby this factory (Limestone 1x, Copper 1x, Iron 2x)

Need to automate basic resources and then finally work on a damn steel plant.

[stoic nebula]

clap clap clap clap

[severe pewter]

Any opinions on quartz purification?

[acoustic bear]

don't worry too much as you'll unlock faster miners and belts

[crude holly]

Limestone => Cement | Copper=> Sheets, Wire, Cable | Iron => Rotor, Reinforced Iron Plate, Modular Frame

First factory going to produce a decent amount

[ornate saffron]

if it works for you do it!

[hollow hemlock]

I like it cause it only takes a few buildings to generate half the silica I need for aluminum and all the quartz for the depot. And with 1 sloop you can loop the water from the final stage back to itself

There's nothing quite like "wastewater...what wastewater"

[dense violet]

so quartz purification + silica distillation will give you more total of both than either of hte
pure crystal or Cheap sillica recipes

it's very good if you need both outputs

[soft marsh]

Built one of the power towers and now Im not sure about it lol

[severe pewter]

That's what I was thinking (and hoping)

[dense violet]

off the top of my head, a big electronics factory that uses silica CB and crystal comp is a good option for both recipes? there's probably others

[crude holly]

Where do you guys make your steel?

[ebon marten]

the towers are much much more efficient than power poles for long distances and if you need to take power to a factory you can set up power poles from the power tower

[dense violet]

coal + iron is probably the most common combo on the map - so just about anywhere

they kinda designed it that way

[crude holly]

Okay I was thinking about the center of the map where the coal lake is

[soft marsh]

Ah I was building giant 100m tall structures full of generators I was calling power towers lol

[ebon marten]

oh lol

[dense violet]

not really the centre but there is iron ther etoo 🙂

[crude holly]

Got my starter power plant there might also make the steel in the same spot

[dense violet]

keep your power and item production split

[soft marsh]

Yeahhh they take up much less space than my giant field of generators but the logistics behind powering them are a bit more complex lol

[crude holly]

Oh lol sorry haven't fully explored the map

Oh it'll be two different factories just nearby

[dense violet]

Oh I get it - but make your power far away. It's easy to import power with 1 cable

and it leaves closer resource nodes for parts

[ebon marten]

theres coal and iron at the southern point of the green fields so you could build a small starter steal production there and use the coal thats a little north of the green fields for power production since theres a lot of water next to the coal

[crude holly]

OH TRUE

Also there is caterium

I could double up space down there

[real shale]

Yummy caterium

[ebon marten]

which you need an obolsyk to get too

[crude holly]

Obolsyk?

[ebon marten]

explody thing to take out the rock

[real shale]

Nobelisk, bomb

[crude holly]

Oh haven't gotten those yet

I'm playing extremely blind trying to minimize info

[ebon marten]

ngl you will have a much much much harder time playing if you dont know what things are or how they work. its one of those games where its better to know stuff going in rather than going in blind

[crude holly]

Oh yeah I know that's why my first factory was super ass

[soft marsh]

#screenshots message One of the towers built. 72 fuel gens inside.

[crude holly]

I'm still taking community help but not going to watch guides or get blueprints from people

I'm still learning stuff from people just trying to avoid interactive map until I get some more knowledge

Metagaming kills my enjoyment of games

[ebon marten]

ive watched people play for the last 4 years and im still bad at the game hahaha

[naive palm]

This is completely valid. Just don't be shy about asking if and when you run into trouble.

[crude holly]

Oh yeah def everyone in here has been stupid crazy helpful

Plus a lot of resources in here that have helped me learn. Just don't wanna watch a series and basically just copy builds or follow along lol

[ebon marten]

i dont copy builds or anything like that when i play, ive had like 1k hours or something playing and i still havent had a single save where ive set up nuclear power and from what ive seen in playthroughs i dont think i could solo build my way to nuclear and beyond. i get bored just getting up to aluminium solo

[amber scroll]

Its good to let your coal generators fill up with coal before you turn them on right?

[dense violet]

it's a good step with fluids in general

but for the water in particular, not hte solids. Doesn't matter for solids

[crude holly]

I DISCOVERED DIMENSIONAL DEPOTS

These are so cool

[amber scroll]

Well it fills up weirdly cause splitters

Ofc if you let it sit for a while it will sort itself out, but what if you let it fill up while they were all on standby to fill it up faster?

Thats what I did, but I dunno if it really makes a difference

[karmic elm]

I finished part 3 of project assembly

And i realized that all my 357 hours of playtime were just the tutorial for what was to come

[night sail]

Hey I just recently added a few cosmetic mods to my game so I have a doubt when the new update to the game releases will I not be able to open my moded file or will it still work ?

[karmic elm]

But hey i automatized packaged turbo fuel so that's cool

[ornate saffron]

itll liokely still work but all the added content will not be there until the mod is updated

[ornate saffron]

best to ask the modding discord though. you can find the link in #welcome '

[night sail]

Ooh so it will just disappear

[ornate saffron]

ya,

[ornate saffron]

I've got a list of vanilla friendly mods im thinking of using. they don't add assets they just make things a bit easy like infinite zoop or easy curves. time of day controls

So when the game updateds i just loose some Quality of life not assests

[feral jay]

I've got about a dozen QoL mods installed

[hybrid nymph]

I recommend time of day change, infinite zoup, and mini map

Those are just nice quality of life things that don't affect the gameplay

[remote kraken]

I just unlocked oil and how exactly do I get packaged fuel?

Like I see the fuel option in the refinery, but I have no idea on how to make it a usable item

[feral jay]

Cartograph, Remote Factory, Construction Preferences, Effeciency Checker, Flashlight Settings, Gardner's Toolkit, Infinite Nudge, Just Pause, Outline Loot, Power Checker, Remove Empty Dimensional Stocks, and Show Machine Info, all very vanilla friendly

[feral jay]

Refine it into fuel in a refinery, and package it in a packager. You need to supply the packager with empty containers as well.

[hybrid nymph]

Have to place down a packager and refine the oil into fuel and pump the fuel into the packager, and provide the packager with plastic containers

Oh another little quality of life mod that you might like is the gasoline chainsaw, It makes it so instead of having to use solid biofuel for the chainsaw you can use packaged fuel

[digital hinge]

I made it to phase one what know do I tear down my whole factory

[feral jay]

The Gardener's Toolkit also has that, a faster chainsaw that runs on packaged fuel

[remote kraken]

New game option on the main menu

[digital hinge]

What

I just started

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah these little mods are honestly just things they should have added in to the base game, a mini map, gasoline chainsaw, farming, infinite zoup, and The time of day change just seem like basic things they should have added into the game

What tier are you on?

[remote kraken]

I am very slow and read that has how do I tear down my whole factory

[hybrid nymph]

@digital hinge

[digital hinge]

The first one

[hybrid nymph]

Ahh

[feral jay]

Not the farming, unless maybe if it's just nuts and berries. It's supposed to be annoying to keep your bioburners running

[hybrid nymph]

What do you need to tear down

[digital hinge]

Liek right after the first space elevator

[digital hinge]

I meant is it suggested to tear down like the core components and remake em

[feral jay]

Generally speaking, just don't tear stuff down, just build new stuff. Don't forget that resources in this game are infinite.

[digital hinge]

Aight

[hybrid nymph]

I mean sure you don't have to tear down conveyor belts to upgrade them

[feral jay]

Unless you just can't stand the look of it maybe. But just move somewhere else and build new stuff, you can move the HUB if you want to, to make it more conveniently placed

[hybrid nymph]

I did a little bit of optimization in my factory when I was producing screws once I unlock the iron screws recipe

[digital hinge]

Well I’m currently in spagtthie stage

[hybrid nymph]

So you're a new player?

I never did a spaghetti stage