satisfactory

[coral marsh]

Fuck you, im a guy i just dont like random people i dont know calling themselves my daddy or just being a condescending cunt

Fuck off, someone's being a dick

[versed mesa]

😂

Damn

[coral marsh]

I or anyone shouldn't have to put up with people like you

[versed mesa]

I ain't even trying tobe a D its you that is one the way your acting for no reason at all

[coral marsh]

This alone, is creepy

Fuck this shit

[versed mesa]

Cap many people say it 😂

@coral marsh your Attitude stinks towards me

[torn lynx]

hey, iff uranium is inside of my inventory does it become radioactive

[quick barn]

Folks. Take it outside.

[versed mesa]

Yes

[torn lynx]

well...idk how to get my inventory bacl

[quick barn]

You gotta build a suit and filters

[versed mesa]

@torn lynx its already radioactive it just makes it even more activate in your inventory

[fluid crow]

throw it in the trash fast

[torn lynx]

i have 7 purple power slugis in there

[versed mesa]

He cant trash it he needs to drop it

@torn lynx just drop it

[torn lynx]

i can pick it up fast enough

[versed mesa]

@torn lynx if you got upload depot you can upload it to there problem solved also

Hope this helps

[fluid crow]

go in with full health, grab your stuff fast, then drag the uranium to the trash icon

[quick barn]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-parks-and-recreation-gif-23230468

[versed mesa]

Lol

[quick barn]

I have an embarrassing amount of hours in this game and that never occured to me.

[hidden pebble]

I kinda hate the fact that i need 4.618 oil for one of my projects

[versed mesa]

For real lmfao

[real shale]

i swear, aluminium fluid flow really makes me lose sanity sometimes

[fluid crow]

that one might take an entire factory

[quick barn]

I think I have more hours pre-1.0

[versed mesa]

Cool

[dense violet]

do some over head images of what you're doing in #math-and-meta it's pretty simple

[quick barn]

I just got aluminum going on console with the waste water looped back in stabilized.

I don't recommend if you value sanity

[hidden pebble]

Did you use a VIP or just rawdogged the water in?

[quick barn]

A vip?

[torn lynx]

idk why i thought uranium woudl ceace to be radioactive once i took it out of the ground

[quick barn]

We've all done it 🤪

[hidden pebble]

4.618 oil/min to get myself 5 iodine filters per minute. Imagine placing an extractor to just take 4.618 oil out of it

[versed mesa]

Yeah i did the same as you thats how you learn 😂

[torn lynx]

i thought originally that the uranium lasted a biut once the bar was maxxed out and iwasted all my inhalers hahaha

[versed mesa]

😂

[versed mesa]

Time to build an inhaler factory lol

[fluid crow]

might be easier to ship the fabric if that's what it's for

[torn lynx]

how do you even do that?

[versed mesa]

Tbh I cant even recall if you can make inhaler factory you should beable to lol

[quick barn]

I don't know what a VIP is.

I took the waste water from the solution filtering and looped that back into the refineries making sloppy alumina solution

[versed mesa]

@torn lynx ammunition factory you can build

[torn lynx]

that easy but how do i autromate the specific paltns and animals

[real shale]

okay, so now its all working at 100%...for now...

[torn lynx]

also i explored the desert............ a lot of thign dont want me there

[hidden pebble]

I guess you just clocked the pump to input only the water imbalance?

[versed mesa]

Can recall sorry not played in months

[quick barn]

Yeah. Took some fiddling.

[versed mesa]

Lol ive still got todo this and I need radar tower put there sool i can see what resources deposits they have there

@torn lynx what phase you on my guess between 4 and 5

[quick barn]

#screenshots message

[cyan leaf]

Are particles accelerates engery hungry?

[versed mesa]

Kind of 😂

[quick barn]

Schrodinger's Energy Hungry

[hidden pebble]

Everyone loves pure algots recipe

[versed mesa]

😋

[hidden pebble]

Every recipe has an average value written on it. Going by the average values, yeah, pretty energy hungry.

[torn lynx]

i got rid of the uranium, we good now

[versed mesa]

👌

[unkempt blade]

you're never going to win the "irradiate the entire map" speedrun with that attitude

[worn crown]

Any suggestions for dealing with Heavy Oil Residue ?

[unkempt blade]

Yes. Turn it into solids and/or fuel 🙂

[hidden pebble]

Not everyone is josh🤷‍♂️

[unkempt blade]

What’s a Josh?

[real shale]

Okay, now that my battery factory is up and running it is... finally time to automate supercomputers

[worn crown]

I'll work it as petroleum coke, create some more power, thank you.

[hybrid nymph]

hello people just fixed my aluminum factory

I figured out why it wasn't delivering aluminum

[hidden pebble]

Guys is trying to belt uranium a really bad idea?

[hybrid nymph]

no

I have belted uranium before

therea re only 5 uranium veins on the map

[torn lynx]

alright, i unlcoked amplification... imma see how much power it takes

[cyan leaf]

I dont have em unlocked yet and I feel like i dont have nought power for end of phase 4

[fluid crow]

I guess I should build more RF power before I start on nuclear 😭

[placid stirrup]

How much power are you generating with it? Just 300 oil can get you pretty dang far with RF

[fluid crow]

I'm just going to sloop a blender and make some more

then I should be good to build some stuff to get nukes going hopefully

[fluid crow]

slooping and overclocking 1 bender to replace some of the others ads quite a bit of power

[severe pewter]

Fluid physics.

Fluid physics are fun when they work, but sometimes they piss me off for no reason

[hidden pebble]

They do work when there's not much chaos.

[agile crater]

does anybody know why my progression feels 3x slower i swear in my last play through i had space elevator T2 unlocked in a day but now i just can’t figure it out I can max make like 5 smart plates a minute I just feel as my normal play style feels slower

[toxic lichen]

did you skip overclock research?

[agile crater]

No i got like all the over clocking im even using the satisfactory calculator someone did tell me that soomersloops do something but i haven’t looked into it but other than that i dont know

[toxic lichen]

they double output

for an immense power usage increase

double output
doesnt use double the input

[agile crater]

Wow i definitely have to apply that then In my new world I just got to making steel so i’ll have to see if that helps my rates thank you

[dense violet]

it's simpler to just go find more nodes - each tier you're going to need more and more parts and even if you hunt down every sloop it's not going to cut it

duping mechanics are mostly a gimmick - go find more nodes, build more factory and items

also overclock your miners if you don't already do that

[toxic lichen]

hey man

free is free e'-e'

free 2x?
ill take any day ;-;

[bold heron]

do u skip onboarding ? for me it feels wrong to do it.

[toxic lichen]

i cant remember ;-;

[steady cedar]

New players shouldn't skip it even if they know the game before had but after some playthroughs it just saves time at the start

[tall lantern]

"free" costs 4x the power

which in the early game may actually be a fair chunk depending on the machine

[steady dome]

Many moons ago, someone had made a tool to calculate the ideal position of a production.

Is that still available and updated?

[tough kelp]

Learned that the hard way when I put sloops in the particle accelerator and it shot the usage up to 26,000. Blew my grid and it took me way way way longer than I care to admit to realize where the problem was lol

[real shale]

26k? For one?

[tough kelp]

Yeah. Over clocked and slooped it fluctuates usage between like 3250-26,000mw for one. Just build more lol

[real shale]

Oh you overclocked it too lmao

[zenith pecan]

Not a problem for my power grid 😄

[tough kelp]

I only picked up the game a few months back, on my first play through. Had to really get creative to get my phase resources to finish the next segment. So I boosted it cuz I only had the resources to feed one or two properly. Had no where near the power required lol

[real shale]

I can't wait to unlock particle accelerators, especially now that I've finally got supercomputers out of the way for the most part

[tough kelp]

Bad enough after months, I abandoned my phase 5 playthrough to start over lol

[dense violet]

position?

[broken valve]

Phase 9 ?

Inst like phase 5 the last ?

[tough kelp]

Unlock/tier 9***

[broken valve]

Oh ok

[tough kelp]

Saw all the dark matter stuff and knew I couldn’t feed it. Struggled with power. Mom’s spaghetti all over the place, especially in my earlier stuff. Chaos lol

[real shale]

I just rebuilt everything

I'm hoping now that everything is in order now that my gameplay will be a lot more smooth lol

[crystal cedar]

I HAVE DONE IT. reached phase one on a 13yo laptop

[wanton cloud]

tell us when it's phase 4

[hidden hamlet]

Dune desert start is way easier than I thought it was gonna be

[gloomy tusk]

Is there anyway to make my mk 3 miner outputting at 1200 p/m fit into a mk 5 belt

[scenic mirage]

no

[ivory condor]

of course not, how could 780/min belt handle 1200/min, the math doesn't math

[leaden turret]

turn it on and off at a rate equivalent to mk.5 😛

[wanton cloud]

I think it's 720 p/min?

[gloomy tusk]

780p

[wanton cloud]

aight

[gloomy tusk]

I do NOT want anything to do with nuclear pasta so I’m kinda just cooked

What is the limit mk 6 can hold

[ivory condor]

1200/min

thats how you get all of the ores out of fully overclocked mk3 miners on pure nodes

[wanton cloud]

there's mk6 belts?

[ivory condor]

yep, tier 9

[wanton cloud]

genuinely yesterday mk 5 was a new thing for me i thought mk4 is the max😭

[ivory condor]

mk6 belt is the games limit now

[steady dome]

Like where on the map 😄

[dense violet]

yah I remember that one. It was shown to be only about as good as looking at the SCIM map nodes

[steady dome]

Well I mean. That's pretty much what it did. Just automated it

[dense violet]

Easier to use your eyes as you'll know which nodes are already tapped. But no idea on if it still exists or not. It was done pre 1.0 though so waaaaay out of date

[steady dome]

Good thing searches exist and my memory is as it is; #math-and-meta message

[dense violet]

I mean eyes will be 10000x better now since it's out of date with all the node changes. but you do you

[steady dome]

Well yea. That's why I also asked if it was updated 😛

[dense violet]

unlikely

[steady dome]

I suppose depending how it's designed updating it could be fairly easy since it appears to "just" be input based on ressources, which could make res just a hardcoded list, but who knows

[dense violet]

even it it was it was bad at managing the worst resource outliers

as in taking into acount removing 1 or 2 resources from the pool to get a MUCH better result and just move those outliers

[toxic lichen]

what are yall on about ;-;

[dense violet]

which for anything but basic part factories you'd generally need to manage and wrangle different resource priorities and cut them out

for example I remember helping them test it - the program spat out a fairly bad location for 50.4 uranium rods pm

when I pointed out you should remove the outlier resources, it found the location I chose personaly

[dense violet]

a poor tool made years ago

[toxic lichen]

ah

[steady dome]

Yea. It's just I've never found a place i actually like to build aluminum that also happens to be reasonably close to the things I need so nearly always default to north end of gold coast, but I wanted something new

[dense violet]

just north of the blue crater

at the cliff edge.
close to basically everything plus has the benefit of being able to bring the red forest bauxite to the edge to belt down and the rest of the bauxite w/o huge elevation changes

[toxic lichen]

so do i need phase 3 to unlock rocket fuel?

thought id jump straight to it but uh
i can only make regular fuel rn

[dense violet]

prob phase 4

[steady dome]

What like here? #screenshots message

[wanton cloud]

there is turbo fuel though

[dense violet]

i do it more to the lake NW of that x

but depends on exactly what you're needing

a big enoug hbauxite spot tends to sprawl anwyay

[steady dome]

Well It's worth considering. Like I said I'm tired of doing the same place over and over, so the input is valid. Which is also kinda what I wanted from the tool anyway 😛

[toxic lichen]

are you sure about that e'-e'

i didnt see it in the refinery

[wanton cloud]

cause it is in the MAM

[toxic lichen]

oh ;-;

sulfur research?

[wanton cloud]

yes

alongside rocket fuel, by the way

AND ionized fuel

[toxic lichen]

theres another fuel?

[wanton cloud]

yes i mean there's like 5 types of fuel (i think)
Liquid biofuel
Fuel
Turbofuel
Rocket fuel
Ionized fuel

the word fuel sounds weird to me now

[toxic lichen]

so

fuel - turbo - rocket - ion

in terms of
better-ness

or

[wanton cloud]

probably

i haven't unlocked them myself but it makes the most sense that way

[dense violet]

depends w hat you want it for.

[wanton cloud]

also, my bad. in the MAM you can only fully unlock turbofuel,
you unlock only the packaged versions of the other 2 fuels in the MAM

[wanton cloud]

liquid biofuel is mostly good for jetpacks, cause it is the longes lasting fuel out of all

[toxic lichen]

hmmmmmmmm

[wanton cloud]

but other fuels have better thrust

so it is a more situational thing

[twin parcel]

any ideas on how to hide this miner?
#screenshots message

[wanton cloud]

best guess is make it look like road construction work

it would be realistic cause it's never gonna move from there

[visual reef]

hi everyone

im a new player, i came here to ask if im supposed to be doing things this way #streams-and-videos message

do i just make a giant ramp up in the sky with foundations and make a big square

is that how im supposed to do things

[golden nexus]

its up to you.... it also depends what you mean by sky, if you have a ramp up to where you tookt he video from its sensible, you can of course just do sky base if you want

[feral jay]

You're not "supposed" to do things in any particular way, it's a sandbox game and the entire idea is to build the way you want to, in a way that makes sense for you

[visual reef]

yeah no i know, i was just asking to make sure i wouldnt run into some big regrets when whatever i have built is going to be too big to go back from

the skybase looked like the most pragmatic solution, idk if the game is going to provide me with better alternatives tho as i never played it

[golden nexus]

all decisions in the game result in "I would do this differently next time"

[glacial drum]

Skybasing can work however if you’re planning to route stuff up to there for some huge factory you’ll have to replace likely hundreds of conveyors every so often.

[visual reef]

i mean elevators are a thing

it doesnt look that bad of a problem

[glacial drum]

I’d say begin with making smaller foundations near the ores and building factories on those. However you can do whatever you want it is a sandbox game so you’ll develop different ideas as you go on

[visual reef]

and afaik u can just replace a lower tier conveyor by just hovering it with a new tier and it just replaces

[glacial drum]

It could work yea. But remember you’ll also need a lot of materials just for the skybase itself. It’s all off how much time you want to spend.

[golden nexus]

there is many approaches to the game, there appear to be no silver bullets, you use different methods to different problems in different situations.

[glad hawk]

Elevators are the best building in the game

[visual reef]

i mean i come from a bit of factorio, wasnt a dedicated player there as it overwhelmed me quite often, but my idea was just doing main bus on a giant square

xD, literally factorio in a way

[golden nexus]

I mean if your quite new you have to consider scaling to the late game. Like this is a late game concrete build.. #screenshots message

[visual reef]

thats exactly what i was trying to consider

right now what i was doing was full-blown spaghetti code

[scenic mirage]

is this just a bunch of blueprints?

[glacial drum]

Like Mistra said there are tons of different approaches. People do sky bases, on site factories, mega factories, anything you can think of you can make. The only negative I see to a sky base is the pure cost of foundations and maybe the transporting every material (assuming you process everything there)

[golden nexus]

Yeah, So for some builds like support building (eg concrete) it works well for vertical solutions because the buildings footprint doesn't change regardless of thoughput

[golden nexus]

yes, per floor

[scenic mirage]

oh dope

[dense violet]

it's usually much more annoying building sky infrastructure. Especially with piping, bringing everything up and down

it's VERY easy to make multiple low floors almost anywhere and have more room than you'll ever use

[visual reef]

so what would the alternative be

[dense violet]

"it's VERY easy to make multiple low floors almost anywhere and have more room than you'll ever use"

[golden nexus]

this is a base layout which worked for me which completed the game #screenshots message

[visual reef]

if i just do it horizontally ill just have to walk immense distances eventually wont i

its kind of the same deal

[dense violet]

multiple floors

[glacial drum]

Building smaller factories at the ore nodes and processing it there, making a mega factory, making a vertical factory, so many choices

[dense violet]

at low heights. It's very easy.

[glacial drum]

Lemme find some ss and maybe those can show you what I did early game

[golden nexus]

its a mix of both.... some make sense vertical some make sense flat

[visual reef]

i mean lets do big square x many floors

that like, both

[hidden pebble]

When we are talking sky, how far high up are we talking? For me, if the landscape has lots of trees, i usually go 16-20 4m foundations high.

[golden nexus]

doesn't work as well as you think, cause the floor sizes change per recipie...

[visual reef]

main bus? like, just build in a straight line on the sides

[hidden pebble]

Perhaps clock them to fit keep them symmetric. Or even better, for floors with different sizes, use overhangs and observatories to fill the space up.

[dense violet]

the vast majority of hte landscape in the game could use 1-2 4m foundations and have very flat space

[glacial drum]

#screenshots message

[dense violet]

'buses' don't work very well in this game. It's not factorio

[golden nexus]

So like an annoying recipie like rplate, it works well in a tower and then convert 2 iron nodes just to rplate and scale it as it goes becase the entire building is doing on thing.

But doing something like generic all steel items eg beam, pipe, encased beam, rotor, stator, motor make sense floor by floor because of logestics / seperation of multiple items. Unless your building a lot of one thing like stator... which makes sense in a tower again

[visual reef]

alright thats a good thing to know

[glacial drum]

Some of my older factories. Verticality is good but transporting everything 1k meters up is.. challenging.

[visual reef]

how do people move big amounts of stuff around in a scalable manner

[hidden pebble]

That's true. But it was my mistake trying to build factories in the swamp.😔

[dense violet]

if you're coming from factorio basically chuck everything out

satisfactory is about constant production and consumption and dedicated production lines

[hidden pebble]

Choo choo mf

[golden nexus]

yeah thats how thoose towers work, the source material bus / output bus is vertical

[dense violet]

swamp is fine

[glacial drum]

Via train, long belts, trucks, (drones can work on low throughput)

[dense violet]

you often don't need to - you can build high tier items on location with planning

otherwise trains trucks drones , or just long belts

[glacial drum]

Trains are a thing however they don’t exactly like to go upwards very well.

[visual reef]

that sounds exactly like factorio brother

[golden nexus]

@visual reef If your into early hoygh thoughput builds, having constructors vertical in a tower permits multiple input belts which means belts are no longer a limit as much

[visual reef]

alright

[humble osprey]

mass producing portable miners by hand to store in the dimentional storage

[dense violet]

factorio has random volumes of ore getting pulled by different systems.

Satisfactory you know exactly how much of what is coming in and what will be used forever

[visual reef]

mmh.

[humble osprey]

by hand btw

[golden nexus]

just automate them 🙂

[weary kestrel]

you might know, I just vibe code it
this is a lie but it sounded funny to say

[humble osprey]

nah

[hidden pebble]

Dsp is more similar to factorio than satisfactory, but transport there is simple as well

[visual reef]

yeah helmod solved that problem on factorio, big effort megafactories now have tiled stuff which has precise inputs and outputs and stuff

[golden nexus]

yeah some things you can do in the game if you have a flat layout... like you can just folder it over like a bit of paper when you run out of space

[visual reef]

beauty of 3d i guess

[golden nexus]

eg instead of having a manifold 24 long, you have 2x12 long on top of each other

hence how you end up with a tower.....

[visual reef]

alright thats a good dose of brainstorming, ill see where it takes me

[golden nexus]

you keep "folding" it until it fits in the blueprint machine 🙂

[glacial drum]

Oooh and you can make em look real fancy with the architecture blocks. Any of yall seen kibitz’s stacked constructors and assemblers?

Damn good looking

[hidden pebble]

Not many have as much patience as kibitz

[golden nexus]

well you can also make them very ugly as well #screenshots message

[glacial drum]

Dudes got a huge mega base he processes tons of crap at. (From the videos i’ve seen)

[hidden pebble]

And the taste for art

[glacial drum]

Don’t know how he’s got the patience for that.

[golden nexus]

Its better than stacking shelves in a supermarket 😉

[glacial drum]

He’s better than me being patient as hell with having the mk 5 belts.

[golden nexus]

Got enough viewers its a job... for 8 hours a day you have a lot of time

[glacial drum]

I should use trains more too. I originally found them bad due to some of my misunderstandings and lack of knowledge.

[golden nexus]

and if you have worked a very bad job... this keeps you going to stay out of that job

[glacial drum]

Near 200 hours and I don’t have a mega train system setup.

[lusty ferry]

Doing a 2nd, better more efficient game and got the holy grail screw recipe on my first hard drive!

[glacial drum]

Can’t even remember the last time I made screws. So nice without them

[golden nexus]

you get more efficent as you play, most people first runs a long... for exp poeple they finish the game in sub 100 hours. Or in the case of multiplayer can be at T8 inside of 24 hours

[hidden pebble]

I finished project assembly on my 56th hour and didn't bother trains for almost 200 hours from there on

[glacial drum]

Ah a question for you more knowledgeable folk. If I setup a train with 2 cars and run it through 2 separate loading docks will the train redock twice at the first if it receives input? Or can I safely run it through two without that

I’d assume Ic an run it through two different depots considering the staggered loading due to inability to load stuff when a train is docked

[golden nexus]

Approach trains as an extenstion of a belt. They do point to point well....

[glacial drum]

Oh I’ve used them just never for two separate materials. Just didn’t know if I could load two different mats onto one train assuming two freight cars

They’ll definitely become used after I finish up this steel factory

[golden nexus]

You can use them for sushi stuff if you like, you can also end up with issues with trains doing multiple pickup and then drop off. They don't sushi well ont he output cause when you pickup item a then b to be dropped at c. Then all of A comes out and then all of B comes out and you have to deal with that. Your better to have 2 docks. One at wagon 1 at a and one at wagon 2 at b and padding stations to fill the gap typically

that means you have a belt of a and a belt of b effectivly

hence my comment above about it being a belt extender...

[hidden pebble]

Belts are reliable but not modular. Trains are reliable when you are used to them. I remember my trains couldn't transport enough silica for aluminium production. Opening the wiki page gave me a ton of formulae. I used them, but still couldn't get a proper throughput.

[glacial drum]

My biggest issue with trains has been the tracks tbh. I think I’ll watch some videos on blueprinting and auto connecting later to learn some decent ways to make em

[golden nexus]

Like most of the game, you get a massive logestics award for being to able to reduce the item before you send it. eg turning iron into rplate and send the rplate is massivly logestically better than sending hte iron to a central place ot be processed

In the game you can in a lot of case reduce things 50x or more by building on the nodes and then shipping back high value items

[hidden pebble]

You can also be a prude and send the iron ore directly if you intend to wash it with refineries, since ingot amounts will increase

[golden nexus]

Yup, But there is so much iron on the map it almost never make sense to do pure iron ingot except for the lol's and bragging rights

[hidden pebble]

💀 most of my iron processing uses pure iron ingots

[golden nexus]

thats also a design decision trade off for many players. If you noticed above. I have a concrete factory which is in a tower... it means if required i can switch the tower out to increase concrete production for wet concrete for example

[golden nexus]

i seperate them and scale as required eg this is copper alloy... #screenshots message

which is a 2400/min copper smelter

[scenic mirage]

can i load balance 1040 screws/min with a 3:4 balancer and only mark 4 conveyors

[glacial drum]

Huh I didn’t think about using the pure recipe in my iron product factory. That can be remade too then.

Especially if I use a pure node.

[golden nexus]

its crazy amounts. like grass fields the place everyone says there no resources has like 40,000/min iron ingot or something

[ornate saffron]

the biggest issue with the pure recipes.... is that i never want to see a refinery again lol

[zenith pecan]

Oh god, refineries!

[ornate saffron]

this guy gets it

[glacial drum]

If you look at #screenshots message you can see my current iron factory. In the grasslands. If I used even one pure node with the pure recipe I could make damn near twice as much and some more valuable items in one factory. Could be a good idea

[hidden pebble]

But there's the case when too much iron isn't present together. I made 252 stators + 168 rotors +600 wires + 900 cables with the pure iron node in the swamp

[glacial drum]

I’m not sure I’ve got photos of the inside unfortunately

[golden nexus]

remember each constructor here is making 50/min screws 😉 #screenshots message

[golden nexus]

yeah i would build 2xstator factories and then have a train pickup from both

[hidden pebble]

I didn't develop a train route....a didn't bother enough to get one done.

[golden nexus]

can confirm.. this is what 10k iron looks like #screenshots message

[ornate saffron]

yet!

[ornate saffron]

ya last save i did 10/min of all phase 5 parts. then made twin factories for all the Iron and copper i needed for phase 4 and 5. lots of refineries

[glacial drum]

Honestly refineries are only my bane when making aluminum or larger amounts of rubber/plastic.

I might setup smth like that..

[golden nexus]

i stopped attmepting to build like this, I just reduce as quickly as possible as its way more efficent, these are 600/min plate belts for example #screenshots message

i would use multiple towers for rplate now which take ingots as inputs....

[ornate saffron]

just sick of looking at them. I think i need to design a heavily clipped decoration for them so i can look at somethign diffrent

[golden nexus]

then all plate+screws are built and consumed immediatly by the assemblers

[ornate saffron]

this is the way

[reef basin]

main bus is terrible in SF

[reef basin]

are you dead set on loadbalancing? if not, just clock machines to be 1:1 or whatever

[golden nexus]

when you try to scale, you can see the obvious problems you run into when you try to "bus" something even like plate... #screenshots message

[glacial drum]

Going back to remake all my older factories will give me the chance to make em all fancy now too

[agile crater]

is there any really useful mods that i should download

[hidden pebble]

Enclose them in frame foundations. Make them blackboxes. Shit goes in, shit comes out.

[reef basin]

not if it's your first playthrough

[agile crater]

its not its like my 3rd ish

[scenic mirage]

its for screws but ya thats probeasier

[reef basin]

then you should know what you like and not like, and look based on your experience

[ornate saffron]

there is a dedicated moding discord if thats your jam. I personally feel first playthrough should be vanilla.

On that note ive heard good things about infinite zoop and easay curves

[reef basin]

it doesn't matter what it is for

[feral jay]

My favorites are problably Just Pause and Infinite Nudge, probably followed by Construction Preferences

[hidden pebble]

You can try modular load balancers and small awesome sinks since those are not overhauls but give you small gains which don't make the game cheesy

[golden nexus]

you can even completly otpimize the balancer out entirly in the game... where it balances 1:1 by design

[glacial drum]

Definitely smth I want to do yea. I’d like to make every machine have a “locked in” sort of look. Sort of like it’s encased in frames or beams. I could even place power outlets on said beams to reduce power pole clutter.

[ornate saffron]

#design-and-architecture message

[hidden pebble]

What's that ufo ass 🤣

[ornate saffron]

black boxes resources go in and parts come out lol

[hidden pebble]

Try 3 connections per power pole, i guess. One to, one from, and one for the machine.

[glacial drum]

My biggest issue with blueprints so far is past me being an absolute dick about making any. I have so many labelled randomly bcs they’re Left input and right output. Then some just left and left and they’re all over the place.

I’m too stubborn to go in and make 20 blueprints for every directional input and output so I constantly just replace the outputs with opposite facing ones

I may just.. delete all my old prints.

[golden nexus]

I find "blocks" like floors work well. Then naming like "Smelter 2x2 L", "Smelter 4x1 L" for example

[golden nexus]

make them on demand as needed

[ornate saffron]

a 16 smelter cube feels good

[golden nexus]

otherwise you end up with a maintance overhead for them... cause all blueprints can change until mk6 belts 🙂

[golden nexus]

Yup got a 600/min smelter

[glacial drum]

Yea I checked an old print and to my horror it had mk 4 belts. I think I might’ve used it too in one of my factories recently so now I’ve gotta go lookin and makin sure i didn’t..

Speaking of looking at old factories I gotta find where half my sloops are. I’ve got the achievement for finding 50 but I can only name the locations of 30~

[ornate saffron]

im personal;ly against rebuild or demoing old facilities. until i absolutly need that resource ill just go to another node

[glacial drum]

I suspect I’ll find some in older factories

[reef basin]

no reason to dismantle old factories, yeah

[golden nexus]

ITs why the bottom of the towers at the back bttom 2 floors are different. Thats the smelter blueprint #screenshots message

[glacial drum]

I usually won’t unless I find I need them. Or I need a break from advancing so I do something easy with an older factory.

Usually it even frees up 1-2 nodes used in it due to better miners and recipes

[ornate saffron]

worst case they go silent. best case youve planned out logistics early and they are already productive.

most of the time they just sink but thats okay too

[hidden pebble]

I made the mistake rerouting my beginning factory's resources to another place. Today i found my plates and modular frames have run dry. 😭

[reef basin]

yeah, that's another thing - do not connect factories to other factories 🙂

[golden nexus]

its also fine if you plan / can manage it.. i do it all the itme

[hidden pebble]

Not the factories, but their input resources.

[golden nexus]

but you also gotta be prepared to track what you make and how much you use

[reef basin]

well... that's the same thing 🙂

[glacial drum]

Think my older motor factory is making… 5/min..

Def needs remade.

[ornate saffron]

ya, i dont do that to much. my beginner factory makes everything in phase 1 mostly going into depots and a single factory cart takes smart plates across the field for another phase lol

[agile crater]

im going to start a new play through with my friend thats never played before is there anything i could do to get him hooked?

[glacial drum]

Make sure he’s autistic

[ornate saffron]

assuming it has a lower tier miner why not just upgrade the miners shove a smart splitter in front shunting the new resources to a new facility

[golden nexus]

look after power, let them figure it out

[hidden pebble]

Get him to play

[golden nexus]

make sure they press the big red button

[ornate saffron]

i dont know about hooked..... but i think its important to fail. let him make mistakes and guide him when he needs it

[ornate saffron]

yu leave me and my spicey head out of this

[glacial drum]

A lot of my older factories are old old and used a lot of horizontal space. Remaking them also gives me a chance to optimize the way I made them already. The only negative I see is just it takes a bit of time but I’d be doing nothing else in that time.

[hidden pebble]

Now i must find an iron node and make every possible item that needs to be made. Plates, rods, screws, rips, rotors, motors, frames, pipes. But i have a question. I do need coal for making steel beams right? No way to avoid that?

[agile crater]

ok ill try allat

[golden nexus]

if you move too quickly with new players they simple drop out about Tier 4-5 as they cannot follow along

[glacial drum]

Like I could use half the materials I’m using now in older factories to make the same or more materials. Just compacting the stuff too saves space and extra ore nodes.. I like to remake stuff and improve it personally

[golden nexus]

yeah, you don't need much to actually finish the game in a reasonable time, about 10-15 nodes you just have to be efficent with the materials

[ornate saffron]

consider the idea of shunting.

i dont know how it is where you live. but here they like keeping historic building. The google build is a old tannery. They converted some of the old building into offices and then literally built the new space over it encasing the old structure in glass

mayhaps you can build some support and build a modern master piece above the old keeping your past while showing off the skills you have developed

[unkempt blade]

fun-efficient by maximizing vehicles?

[eager palm]

That’s my general approach. Each tier, I just add a “layer” to my old stuff and move the HUB and elevator up 12-16m

[ornate saffron]

i want to play but i cant so ive been leaving through allyou folks this week lol

[ornate saffron]

well in this case we are talking about a relatively small factory. Ive done the mega factory thing. .... not my jam

i prefer spread

[eager palm]

I just like to play at 12fps*

Autocorrect strikes again

[glacial drum]

I think it heavily depends on personal preference here. I can’t stand knowing old tech is around that can be compacted and improved. I do like historic preservation but I get annoyed from seeing it around or even knowing it’s there. Plus there isn’t reallt.. much space left

[ornate saffron]

i honestly have a great rig i can easily play at locked 120. with lumen

but i lock it to 30 and chil

leaving my GPU on silent mode and my cpu on eco mode lol

[eager palm]

My 3080 is a tired old man

[glacial drum]

The factory is so huge it’s off the map by quite a bit. It definitely needs remaking.

[eager palm]

He just wants to rest

[ornate saffron]

lol flugg him

[hidden pebble]

When I turn on global illumination, my fps tanks to oblivion😔

[ornate saffron]

its a nice to have but until Path tracing becomes affordable its not cool

[eager palm]

I wonder sometimes about using an enterprise-level processor for Satis. Not sure if I’m hardware bottlenecked at CPU or GPU, or if the game is just HEAVY

[ornate saffron]

honestly it is the most optimized UE5 game ive played. and is still getting updates to make it better

[quasi warren]

Same. I play at a locked 120

[eager palm]

If you unplug your DVI (or HDMI), the game will stop rendering on your GPU and you can sleep in a cool room while your factory sinks the excess 😊

[ornate saffron]

thats.... interesting lol

I honestly spend most my "playtime" with the game off. spending time on planning and spreadsheets

[eager palm]

I hear that

[glacial drum]

Beef #screenshots message

[real shale]

Chicken

[glacial drum]

You may be able to see why I want to remake it..

[real shale]

Hello chat

Too many yellow lights...not enough green lights...

[ornate saffron]

🤷 its fine. well laid out.

but most importantly you want to redo it ^_^

[glacial drum]

Yea I’d like to compact it and make it more efficient.. Plus add new architecture.

[eager palm]

I want to do a full BP-only playthrough, to see how fast I can speedrun the game. Similar to the 100% vanilla Factorio runs. Anyone tried this yet? Wondering about planning

[ornate saffron]

i guees youll need to start at phase 3 so you have the blueprinter unlocked

[eager palm]

I’d save edit just manually BPs unlocked at T1

[real shale]

Guys in away from home right now and I've got the itch.....the factory is not growing right now and I am disappointed

[ornate saffron]

i trust you have thought this out. you just cant use bps until you make one in game as the files dont exist

[ornate saffron]

this is the idle time to look at architecture and plan

[real shale]

I am not an architect, I am an engineer, I admire utiltarian buildings

[inland shard]

whats gonna be added next update

[zenith pecan]

My lot are usually utilitarian.

[real shale]

So far we know just about fluid trucks

[ornate saffron]

then go look at some power plants, a concrete factory. find something to draw inspiration from.

Listen to a 4 hour video essay about Isaac Asimov's Foundation. lol

find a way to turn this down time into factory time

[glacial drum]

Hopefully they aren’t as useless as fluid trains

[real shale]

I do look at some power plants, irl :D

[inland shard]

that seems cool

[ornate saffron]

we get a Dev stream next week. we may get info then

[real shale]

I've been inside power plants, they are cool

[inland shard]

cant wait

[real shale]

It is why I take great pride in the development of my electrical grid (famous last words before grid collapse)

[glacial drum]

I can’t wait to boil more water dammit!

[ornate saffron]

i went on a Nuclear facility tour in my youth

[ornate saffron]

~proceeds to make tee

[glacial drum]

Ah nuclear byproduct becoming tea

[real shale]

I work in the electricity utility industry so I've been around all the different buildings, wanna make a substation of my own in game eventually

[ornate saffron]

more nuclear Grade Matcha then you can handle

[real shale]

Just wish I could paint round concrete to make it look like busbars :(

[glacial drum]

I still need to do something with nuclear energy.. I keep doing new crap so I haven’t even began my NPP yet

[real shale]

I could use beams as busbars but those aren't quite right

[glacial drum]

Once I’m home later I’ll finish up steel production then depending on what I feel like I’ll either setup the something something big round project part that takes it

I forgot to include the or part

or i’ll fix up old factories

maybe even start NPP! Or nuclear nobelisks..

The problem I have with nuke nobelisks is the place I’m already making multiple nobelisk types is connected to an even older factory making a few computers a minute.. All of that needs torn down to make better stuff

down in the blue crater

I think it’s my original fuel plant

[ornate saffron]

i tried playing thursday.... no go. maybe this weekend.

[glacial drum]

I may honestly want to setup another turbo fuel plant before taking down old power infrastructure

Not turbo - rocket.

[real shale]

Me sweating every time I delete a power tower

[ornate saffron]

i know many make babies first NPP in the swamp as it hase everyhting

[glacial drum]

I have 90k smth MW capacity and then probably around 11k usage

on average

so i should be more than fine

[ornate saffron]

i only got 40gw but... im in phase 3 and my plant is a packaged diluted fuel plant

[glacial drum]

I definitely need to take down my old fuel gens and remake em

[real shale]

I have 120 GW and all of it is just fuel....

[glacial drum]

It’s a rlly good spot for arms production. I just don’t use it at all because it’s all fkin taken up by an old inefficient factory

[void cliff]

Packaged diluted fuel is fun!

[ornate saffron]

ill like upgrade my coal facility in coal lake to run off of 2 nodes instead of 4 and shunt the other two to the west coast to make turbo fuel

[ornate saffron]

i kinda go crazy when building power

[glacial drum]

A lot of my old work there just uses rlly bad belt work talking floating foundations and belts along with needing boosts from other nodes of oil and crap bcs i didn’t know piping back then

I think the only reason it even works anymore is because my constant maintenance on it just to make it barely usable for an arms plant too

It’s definitely the most in need of remaking

#screenshots message this was pre any maintenance or changes to make it an arms area

[real shale]

Floating platform spotted

[unkempt blade]

I don't see any problems. Looks like a normal factory

[scenic mirage]

fml i need 640 sulfur/min for compacted coal for turbofuel, i only have 1 normal node nearby and mk2 miners

[unkempt blade]

better start smaller then

[real shale]

This is partially why I didn't bother with turbo fuel

The only area that logistically makes sense for me to make it is blue crater but I'm already using the sulphur there for batteries

[glacial drum]

It’s an old photo. I’ve gotten much more advanced and the inputs were rather messed up requiring a lot of maintenance

it’s much more messy now. Hence my remaking.

[real shale]

Not to mention I tend to avoid having my power stations depend on transport vehicles

[scenic mirage]

this is smaller. its the byproduct fuel in my plastic/rubber factory 😭

800 HOR/min, and im using the turbo heavy fuel recipe

[real shale]

nuclear pasta
Look inside
No pasta

[odd ibex]

when I build a pipe network thats flows with like 800/min but I can only support 600 will a loop fix it?

[scenic mirage]

what is the pioneer supposed to eat

[ornate saffron]

no pasta, lots of nuclear suace

[scenic mirage]

feeding from opposite sides

[odd ibex]

wdym opposite sides

[scenic mirage]

kinda how you do 3:8 coal gens early game

[real shale]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[odd ibex]

ty

[real shale]

Speaking of which, I need to sit in my new aluminium factory for an hour and monitor it

[scenic mirage]

ada would not be happy with that wasted hour

[real shale]

It's not wasted, its commissioning tests

[ornate saffron]

when possible i try not to max out a pipe tp 600. for example if im making 800 Heavy oil residue ill break it into to lines of 400

[real shale]

Every factory must go through the commissioning check list and one of those items on the list is close monitoring for any abnormalities

[scenic mirage]

for ada, only working on one thing at a time is wasted time. i dont even wanna think about what she'd do if you just watched something happen

[real shale]

It's fine ||she left me for the aliens anyway||

[ornate saffron]

there temple was better

[real shale]

Compose the scripture and write it into a blood song

Consume...consume .....CONSUME

[scenic mirage]

ada a lil freaky tbh

[real shale]

Got that itch, I'm not home yet but the factory needs me.....I need to make that supercomputer factory....

I can smell the 10 supercomputers a minute

[ornate saffron]

the kind of Ai that'll flog you while saying its of the benefit for puppies and kittens

[leaden turret]

not freaky, just dutch

<@&370483737957236737> canonically, did Hannah also create ADA in-universe?

[glacial drum]

Huh maybe I should make a centralized factory

[dawn mist]

Got a curiosity.
I need some spot lighting. Smaller room lights than ceiling lights, but signs provide no illumination, only emission.
Are there smaller lights I can use hiding somewhere?

[ornate saffron]

in some cases ive hidden street lights in walls and ceilings to create a central light beam. Some items obscure lights as well. so using a large light then blocking out portions has worked too

[dawn mist]

Mkay mkay, thanks.

[ornate saffron]

pretty sure i saw a

[ornate saffron]

totalxclipse video on youtube about being creative with lights maybe check that out for something more in-depth

[humble osprey]

There's apparently 12,000 bauxite in the game but I'm struggling to even find 2,000
I've fully exhansted every node in that red forest thats near the giant hole in the ground

By every node exhausted, I mean mk. 2 + max clock speed

I'm still getting only 1,800

[ornate saffron]

mark3 on a pure node 250% is 1200/min

[tranquil zinc]

any way to disable diagonal nudge? Its kinda annoying

[humble osprey]

That's a nice fun fact

[quick idol]

there are more then the nodes in the red forest i believe

[humble osprey]

? What's a diagonal nudge

[zenith pecan]

12300, I have all of it going to one refinery.

[quick barn]

I honestly think when that happens it's just a nudge bug, not a feature.

[humble osprey]

What 😭

[tranquil zinc]

I have no idea how it works, sometimes it happens sometimes it does not

[unkempt blade]

You're pretty close to unlocking the mk3 miner. Why not just do some research instead of scaling aluminum for a bit?

[ornate saffron]

ther is a node up high on the west coast near the oil fields another in the swamp

[tall lantern]

that's a very fast belt

[humble osprey]

A single refinery??

[tranquil zinc]

right now my blueprint is nudging diagonally lol

[humble osprey]

I used the one near the oil field as well, and the swamps are scary

[ornate saffron]

your mind is about to be blown open

[humble osprey]

Tell me

[zenith pecan]

I called the entire facility the refinery, because thats what it is.

[humble osprey]

Do refineries have a no limit or something

[humble osprey]

Ohhh

[quick barn]

There sure is....
#screenshots message

[tranquil zinc]

I cant get diagonall nudge to stop 😭

[quick idol]

have u tried to stop and restart the game (could help)

[quick barn]

Feels like a bug.
Try and start building your nudgeable in a different area and nudge it into place.

[ornate saffron]

#design-and-architecture message

[quick barn]

Happens to me sometimes on console. Have always been able to fiddle with placement to avoid it.

[tranquil zinc]

I know about the restart thing, but its kinda annoying to this this over and over again. Was wondering why am I triggering it and avoid it as much as possible

[quick barn]

It's related to the geometry you are nudging around. You likely have a slanted wall, rotated foundation, or an angled beam or something somewhere nearby.

I even had this occur nudging from a world grid locked foundation to over the top of an angle one, which can put the whole nudge into "diagonal" until you cancel and restart elsewhere.

[zenith pecan]

Sorry about being slow, I hate discord mobile UI, #design-and-architecture message , here's all the worlds bauxite under one roof.

[twin parcel]

if u want to use pure ingots recipe , are u better off ship ingots to the main factory using truck and tractors or bring pipes to the factory?

i dont mind building roads .

[void cliff]

I basically went in and did a factory for DPF -> Turbofuel and ended up making a lot of upgrades to it over time, including a later rocket power upgrade. The container recycling was kind of a really fun problem to solve in phase 3, I believe it is a really great use case for priority mergers that are often overlooked, but I also ran into issues with belt speed limits on the containers/packages, full or empty container backups causing problems. It’s really a lot of fun and an exercise in problem solving. One of the biggest benefits of it, is that it’s available early in phase 3, that the packaging phase removes the requirement to pump water up in elevation.

[humble osprey]

Best to manufacture ingots on site if water is nearby and shipping with trains

[unkempt blade]

trucks and tractors do fine on the ground if it's not straight up a cliff or something

[unkempt blade]

And I generally wouldn't ship ingots if you can avoid it. They're high quantity and small stack size so you're going to give yourself a headache. Figure out what you want to make with them and do it near your refineries

[void cliff]

Insane idea but what about a factory cart personal elevator as a lift between ground level and the top of a cliff instead of using vertical conveyors? 😮

[ornate saffron]

jump pads

[void cliff]

Jump pads with the trucks? Hahaha

[unkempt blade]

I need to dig up one of my old saves sometime because we did that before

it's also fun to make their route flipping over a row of constructors or something small-ish like that using jump pads

[void cliff]

I love that jumping vehicles off cliffs works with programmed routes for them. Something that trains can never accomplish!!!

[unkempt blade]

so the problem is trucks/tractors/carts don't run automated routes with you inside them otherwise I could see that being a thing. I do use carts + ramps in some of my factories to take stuff between floors

[void cliff]

I hope we get that in the future, it would be pretty fun

Also need train loop-de-loops

[ornate saffron]

i need to get my smart plates up a cliff. atm they are being transfered from one factory to another that has a train station attached then trained.

instead i was thinking a series of jumpads

jump pad up hit a wall that funnels\ you to another jump pad and repeat

[unkempt blade]

⁨Full Self Driving will be here in [near future date].⁩ - Elon Musk, lying to investors every 6mo

[void cliff]

I’m remembering a sequence in donkey Kong where you bounce up and down between tires on the floor and on the ceiling

[ornate saffron]

exactly

[reef basin]

tesla doesn't plan to do FSD afaik

[unkempt blade]

but how will they all start their own small business operating self driving taxis?!?!

[void cliff]

What’s the cost of a factory cart? It’s always tickets, right?

[unkempt blade]

at least the cybertruck was actually bulletproof and able to operate as a boat for short periods of time so Tesla fans didn't lose out entirely

[wanton cloud]

ya

[unkempt blade]

you unlock the recipe with tickets then it's pretty cheap to make them in the equipment shop

[wanton cloud]

wait what?

[ornate saffron]

the unlock is the recipe you craft the cart\

[wanton cloud]

i genuinely thought u had to buy multiple w tickets

[unkempt blade]

nope it's just an unlock

[void cliff]

Same. Haven’t bought them in a while

[wanton cloud]

im buying em rn

[unkempt blade]

there's a gold cart too when you beat the game that's similarly cheap but slightly different ingredients

[wanton cloud]

they lowkey fun

[calm mango]

Satisfactory

[wanton cloud]

a plus is i can transport items w them so there's that

[severe pewter]

The only time I have ever truly been able to get fluid to do whatever I want, is when the system has no pumps or check valves, and I just use gravity as the system pressure. This last system, I was trying to push fluid from one side of a lake to a couple machines up a hill on the other side. Just two. Nothing crazy. (-you should see what I convinced the turbo fuel setup to do) But the pump kept breaking - it was only 36/50m btw. After a lot of fiddling though, I got tired of messing with it, and set up a high-point buffer instead.

[ornate saffron]

for fluids i set myself some rules

fill inputs from above

prefill pipes before turning on machines

loop inputs when possible

treat 600/min flow as theatrical and avoid when possible.
example
i am making 800 heavy oil residue so ill split into two pipes of 400.

[severe pewter]

Do loops fix the sloshing issue?

[ornate saffron]

often

[severe pewter]

Interesting

[wanton cloud]

they also allow more liquids to be transported
Notable example: the 8 coal gen setup

not in a literal sense, but without the loop you couldnt fill the 8 gens

[reef basin]

you could

8 gens layout doesn't have a loop

[wanton cloud]

huh

how can it not have a loop?

[hollow hemlock]

that layout just makes sure not to inject alll the water at the same point

[reef basin]

  G  G  G  G
E-+--+--+--+
E-+
E-+--+--+--+
  G  G  G  G

[severe pewter]

So for those, and most of my stuff (not the latest), I would typically do a flat section for the inputs, and then the final pipes would be a 4~6m drop to the inputs

[wanton cloud]

i've never seen that layout but it checks out

[reef basin]

I've never seen a layout with a loop

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[reef basin]

these are the three that are most commonly built, neither of which has a loop

[wanton cloud]

i might be the weird one

[severe pewter]

Similarly, for the outputs, I'd have a 6~8m raise for the first section, and then a 2~4m drop into the manifold

[void cliff]

I have a few self-discovered rules that I generally follow.

1. pump fluid above all machine inlets in the inlet to the manifold. The manifold should be vertically higher or equal to all machine inlet elevations.
2. Pipe Manifolds should generally be loops that serve both ends of a group of machines.
3. The lowest point in a manifold or the bottom of a vertical pipe junction has priority always.
4. The lowest point or pipe in a system will always fill first.
5. Don’t be afraid to use pumps, they work well.
6. Try to place pumps at a slightly lower elevation than their snapping elevation, this will keep your head under 110%

[ornate saffron]

for coal I have lots of space on the coal lake so i just did a 2 coal generators to 1 extractor ratio. no loops just a simple split feeding the coal generators from above

[severe pewter]

I got 16 to 1 fluid line to work just fine though

[void cliff]

Loops work in real life, as well. Without a loop you have issues with hammer and dead-heading at your machine with longer pipe runs (have done pressure drop calcs and sized fuel burners IRL)

[scenic mirage]

aw yeah just finished building a 10 HMF/min factory which has a byproduct of 10 GW from turbo fuel 😎

[severe pewter]

But I will absolutely keep the loops in mind

[ornate saffron]

just another trick in the bag

[severe pewter]

Do you loop the entire system?

[scenic mirage]

wdym loop

[severe pewter]

Instead of the pipe being 1-way, either a section is setup like a cul-de-sac, or the whole thing is a circle, that's what I'm currently trying to find out

[ornate saffron]

i cant get a screen shot atm of my system

----+----
| |
-+--+--+-
| | |

[sick peak]

would they ever add smart logistics in game where you can program a belt to only take a specific amount so you can underclock it

[ornate saffron]

verticle circle + are junctions the lines at the bottom are pipes to inputes

[severe pewter]

Oh. Maybe a niche thing, but I mananaged to get a 3 pumps-split between two pipes-setup working, by adding a vertical section in the center of the inputs taller than the headlift could reach. Without it, the system kept breaking

[reef basin]

just underclock the machine instead

[ornate saffron]

the plumbing guide is a great resource for anyone that is not in the know pinned in #math-and-meta

[severe pewter]

Lately, I've been playing with priority mergers. Like a smart splitter with the primary line fed into the low-priority end of a priority merger, and the overflow from the splitter going to the 2nd belt

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

[carmine beacon]

I really hoped we'd get something today but nope

Feels bad

[scenic mirage]

wdym

[ornate saffron]

next week the mods said

[carmine beacon]

1.2 news, a stream, anything satisfactory related

[leaden turret]

[citation needed]

[ornate saffron]

#satisfactory message

[leaden turret]

CM, not mod

[severe pewter]

I'm surprised that doesn't break the physics engine. I have 20? generators set up to share a rail with I think 4 outputs, plus a 5th leftover output that's placed 30m+ up - it serves as the system pressure as well - system doesn't cause any issues, but again, it has no pumps or check valves.

[carmine beacon]

"studios been heads down, more to share soon 🙂 weve got some stuff cookin"

I'm french what does he mean by "heads down"? Like working a lot i guess?

[ornate saffron]

✅

[leaden turret]

-# coughgamejam2024cough

[scenic mirage]

huh why would it

[ornate saffron]

travailler dur

[carmine beacon]

Lmao

Thanks!

[ornate saffron]

i speak bad english and worse french candian lol

[carmine beacon]

It's ok, hard language to learn

[leaden turret]

[insert quebecois joke here]

[ornate saffron]

first you must spit on me for speaking english \

[leaden turret]

english is a poop language anyway

[carmine beacon]

It's 50% french so i guess you're right!

[strong fiber]

Im waiting for tier 10

new and more things to work on

[tall lantern]

might be waiting a while

[placid stirrup]

it's been 84 years

[ornate saffron]

no guarantee we will get any support beyond maintenance and QOL. appreciate what we have and get creative with it ^_^

[unkempt blade]

I'm just glad we're getting fluid trucks. The game was already pretty perfect

[ornate saffron]

we fixed fluids!

*kinda

[unkempt blade]

and making fluids even more perfect than they already were is amazing

[unkempt blade]

they were already perfect imo

the only thing this game is objectively missing before it can be perfect is mk2 factory carts

[severe pewter]

Because the fluid physics engine is stupid, at least when pump pressure is added (I miss the old engine)

You know how there are hammer arrestors in water pipe systems? I've had a small bit of success with one of those in a pressurized system.

[sick peak]

When should you start doing nuclear power?

[ivory condor]

My issue mainly is fluid simulation seems simple enough, even so mk2 manifolds are really problematic, cant even deliver 600m3 out of a manifold system

So imo, if anything its like the simulation isnt simple enough, probably more the pressure, and back flow, seems to cause issues with pipe network throughputs

[visual reef]

#screenshots message i feel so smart

[severe pewter]

I've done it no problem but without pumps

[ornate saffron]

up to you. just have a plan in place to deal with the byproduct

[sick peak]

I have a plan, the issue is the power

I might just make a rocket fuel factory first and then use that to fuel my nuclear plant

[ivory condor]

Problem for me is no matter what I do, short of doing loops which I hate, mk2 manifolds are problematic in general, especially at 600m3

[ornate saffron]

i like building power stations in nodes. sure i can have one mega manifold. but if you -cut it up into sections you can power it on in sections. this helps with troubleshooting and fluid simplicity

and in this case power draw

[ivory condor]

Oh well it is what it is, probably too problematic or the way the simulation is designed mk2 manifolds cant really be fixed, aka the throughput issues with them

[deep sapphire]

we go way back ahh

[visual reef]

if it works it works

[sick peak]

yeah im gonna do sections, its moreso i dont think my current fuel plant will be enough to handle the nuclear power plant

Unless I do it in sections of 5 which I probably could

[tame bobcat]

friday finally time to work on the factory again 🥹

[ornate saffron]

sounds like a plan

[sick peak]

Im gonna do 50 overclocked reactors

[deep sapphire]

true

[sick peak]

so 10 each, powering them up seperately

Does that sound good or nah

[ornate saffron]

it will help your sanity too.

[sick peak]

Looking at the amount put me in agony ngl, so yeah

[ornate saffron]

i suggest outlining all five areas with foundations so you have everthing spaced niceley and the way you want it.

[sick peak]

yeeee im just gonna make a massive circuit board I think and make it look nice

[severe pewter]

I can't really show pictures because I have things to do, but next time try this: set the manifold up 4m~6m higher than the inputs, and make it all level. If the manifold is going to be stupjdly long, then there needs to be a check valve set up a couple inputs prior to the starved section. For the inputs, make them all straight drops from the manifold to the inputs. The vertical drops function as manifold vacuums, especially when the machines call for fluid. The longer the drop is, the better. For the outputs, run a vertical up section of pipe, and a separate drop section that drops into the manifold. Helps prevent a bit of backflow into the outputs.

The outputs should look like broken candy canes

But the manifolds have to be flat

Slopes mess with the physics

[sick peak]

Should I do this in phase 4 or phase 5

[ornate saffron]

as long as you are confident in your plan you are good to go when you think its time lol

[real shale]

aaaa i got scared

[sullen stream]

Hi, I'm afraid of spiders and it's really ruining my gaming experience because I can't explore or play without being afraid that some spider will run at me and turning them into cats doesn't help. Is there another way to delete them? I'd appreciate some help.

[severe pewter]

You can play passive or retaliate-only mode

Or build nuke obelisks

[placid stirrup]

Arachnaphobia mode exists
Ope just saw the comment on cats mb

[sullen stream]

what this?

[real shale]

the McArthur solution

[severe pewter]

The cats just remind me of Minecraft ghasts

[sullen stream]

Oh, that turns them into cats, that doesn't help because I'm afraid of cats too. 😅

[frosty mirage]

Play passive, you will see them but they won't attack

[sullen stream]

The goal is not to see them, I don't want them in my world.😂

[placid stirrup]

No doubt there's a mod for that

[severe pewter]

Imagine swapping out their textures for something completely transparent

[real shale]

or do what lethal company did and just replace it with 3D text saying spider

[sullen stream]

I will check the moderators' server, thanks.

[terse zephyr]

Is there a mod to make the windows clean? I like the windows but why is there no option to make em clean?

[severe pewter]

Clean?

[unkempt blade]

cats are way scarier than spiders anyway

[ornate saffron]

check the mod discord pinned in #welcome

[ornate saffron]

there is dirt on some windows

[severe pewter]

There is?

[real shale]

i will say i am really happy to have the absolute ficsit music tracks on my USB i got from the big box

Tier One on loop my beloved

[ornate saffron]

if i join someones game imma leave boombox's playing the worst of goat sim randomly around factories and caves

[real shale]

i still need to find the other two tapes, i have one of them

oh.....scratch that, i only need one now

[severe pewter]

Show of hands, how many know what the knight emote is?

(unless I am mistaken)

[real shale]

Praise the sun? dark souls reference?

[ornate saffron]

i see solare not some "knight"

[real shale]

man the desert is my kinda place

its perfect, no plant life anywhere

[ornate saffron]

rthe rivers are infectied

[unkempt blade]

he's clearly giving a doggo a hug

[exotic idol]

GUYS, My train horn was a whistle sound, was it rare?

I just was riding to station and horning before another train, and whistle appeared

like steam trains

[unkempt blade]

they are steam trains

that's why every train needs a liquid car to run properly

[real shale]

I should really expand out to the desert, it looks beautiful

[teal cliff]

Lads, if I don't connect a nuclear power plant to any electricity network and then feed it a fuel rod, is it still going to burn the fuel (even though it's not connected to a grid) and therefore generate nuclear waste?

[sleek creek]

Stupid question, if a factory tool says a machine needs to be at 3.08 overclocked. Is that just 2 machines at 100% and one at 101%? Is that even worth doing?

[real shale]

that means 3 machines at 100 and one at 8% no?

[sleek creek]

Oh, duh

Too early in the morning for factory tools.

[real shale]

lmao

[tall lantern]

rather, it means any combination of machines that gets you to 308%

if you don't like overclocking but like balance and the lowest power usage across four machines, that'd be 4 at 77%

(could be 308 at 1%)

[ornate saffron]

For fuel generators if they are NOT connected to anything they just won't turn on. Once you connect the wiring they go brrrrr

[sleek creek]

Setting up a motor factory finally.

[unkempt blade]

Ooh do this one for sure. Just think of all the power savings

[exotic idol]

uuh whatsoever, is it rare to appear?

[real shale]

what bugs me is that fuel generators on paused production still take in fuel but other machines dont take liquids when you pause their production

[unkempt blade]

unless you're modding the game why do you think it would be rare? 🙂

[supple pawn]

hi is turbofuel and compacted coal worth spending two harddrives on? im at tier 6 right now, and dont have a lot of alt recipes yet

[exotic idol]

never used mods, i think it's something rare

even internet didn't said about how rare this could be

[teal cliff]

Do I dare assume the same applies for nuclear? I have a row of 100 plants and would like to carefully raise it to 100% production in case there's errors somewhere along the line. 2500 nuclear waste per minute sounds like a panic to me

[tall lantern]

the wiki just says a "very slight chance"

[ornate saffron]

i say test it throw a rod into a nuclear generator and see what happens

[teal cliff]

will do, ty. Or just connect only a few belts and sink the rest of the rods, see if everything works, then connect a few more belts etc

[ornate saffron]

that works too

[unkempt blade]

This is a YONO situation. Turn them all on and live dangerously!

[ornate saffron]

YOLO you mean?

[unkempt blade]

No I mean YONO. You only nuclear once!

[versed mesa]

Hi all

👋

[unkempt blade]

get some of that YONO swagger!

[teal cliff]

I'll grow a pair and build the plutonium phase too before connecting anything and just hope for the best

wcgw

[tall lantern]

nothing unrecoverable, at least

[unkempt blade]

worst that should happen is you get some rad waste for a bit 😄

the nuclear generators will stop running when their output slot fills up so there's a very definite upper limit on how much mess it can make

[teal cliff]

first 200h building the behemoth, second 200h cleaning up after the behemoth😁

[ornate saffron]

thwe next 400 hours troubleshooting

[unkempt blade]

My first attempt at nuclear "worked" unfortunately the global logistics feeding it materials did not. That's how I was forced to learn trains better 🤣

We learned that our train roundabouts... were not good at a certain amount of traffic

[ornate saffron]

Failures leads to growth

Anyone see the hog with a jetpack in game?

[unkempt blade]

a few times but not frequently

[ornate saffron]

1000 hours. no csighting yet

[abstract heron]

200hr total or more

[teal cliff]

220h on this save, steam says 412h played total, idk how accurate it is. This 220h includes also completing the game and some minor side quests

[sleek creek]

God, my original base is such a dumpster fire.

[abstract heron]

I have WAY more hrs than 200hr

[ornate saffron]

only by one or two 😛

[abstract heron]

Yup but I love this game

It’s my stress maker for the game

[teal cliff]

it's a fantastic game

[abstract heron]

U can ask me @teal cliff For my total hrs

[teal cliff]

pls share

[abstract heron]

I have 4,600hr in my current world

[teal cliff]

giganerd

[peak wasp]

How's Linux support doing?

[abstract heron]

Auclay in a minute

Okay @teal cliff I’ll share but in a minute

[teal cliff]

Working great for me. Multiplayer had some issues but hard to say was it due to linux or just bad internet

[ornate saffron]

been playing with the idea of switching to linux full time for a few years now

[peak wasp]

Fair enough just got me a RX 9070

[teal cliff]

I switched last summer, pewdiepie made me do it. Started with some old sacrificial laptop but it worked great so now we're running linux on the main gaming rig too!

[stable cloak]

Saw a guy on youtube saying logarithmic radiation spread makes the map entirely irradiated "if you use anything radioactive." He says he doesn't transport radioactive material, anyone know what he means?

[gritty parcel]

hello guys, quick one, can i make one freight depot load one resource and unload another?

[quiet aurora]

one feature i would really like in this game is the ability to set a rest floor for the elevator after a period of inactivity
so like if an elevator is left alone for five minutes or so it returns to its rest floor, that way when you go to it from a ground floor or wherever you usually access it from its there waiting

[teal cliff]

Highly recommend, I've really enjoyed linux. It does require a bit of tinkering and fixing wierd shit that you're not used to in windows, but if you have any interest in that, go for it

[tall lantern]

technically true, practically irrelevant because it'll quickly fall below the minimum threshold

[ornate saffron]

oh ya, by playing i mean i have it and several diffrent distros installed on thumb drives and a old SSD

[tall lantern]

and this is why we don't trust random youtubers to give good advice 😉

[sterile blade]

What's the best-looking belt?

[tall lantern]

in a factory context or generally?

cus 6 is pretty but very incongruous with everything else

[abstract heron]

My total hrs in game so far 18,445 hrs on record

[sterile blade]

Sorry, that was poorly worded.
What's your favorite belt MK, visually?

[unkempt blade]

the slowest one that works for any given situation

[tall lantern]

surely that's more about the stuff on the belt

[unkempt blade]

ya, visually

[sterile blade]

Aside from throughput, any visual preference between them?

[tall lantern]

if that was the question, then I'd generally agree. But otherwise, yeah I do like the 6s

[unkempt blade]

mk4 or mk5, a good amount of chonk to them

[teal cliff]

as I said, giganerd 🤓

[sterile blade]

I didn't ask about your fetishes though

[unkempt blade]

You already know it's factory carts. You don't even need to ask

[twin parcel]

uh is heavy enclased beam cheaper to make using iron steel pipe or molded steel beam ?

[tall lantern]

without looking, probably depends how you weight the resources

[twin parcel]

i need to craft steel beam anyway and shipped the hmf factory anyway.

[tall lantern]

chuck it in a planner like Tools if you want to compare

[twin parcel]

alright

[tall lantern]

alts are always trading something for something

[abstract heron]

I wanna say before a review like oh 20khr or 30khr before review

[unkempt blade]

I would guess the pipe route without actually looking at the recipe again but not sure if there's an iron-coal tradeoff or if it's just straight up cheaper

[abstract heron]

Saying jt was a good game

[teal cliff]

"it's fine I guess" 20kh played

[unkempt blade]

5/7 stars - a perfect game if only it had mk2 factory carts

[steady cedar]

It kinda does?

[unkempt blade]

nah it just has a skin for mk1 carts 🙂

5/7, I liked it!

[steady cedar]

Thats why i said kinda

[twin parcel]

hmm the hmf factory needs cement and steel beam anyway , its just a question of whether its worth it to build a separate section for heavy enclased beam using iron pipes or just use regular recipe but craft them at the same spot i craft my steel beams , then ship them

[steady cedar]

What i am upset about is that factory carts can't actually use the elevator like in the main menu background

[unkempt blade]

Normal pipes is for sure a better options than beams if you have the heavy encased pipe recipe. I'm less familiar with iron pipes so I can't say regarding that part for sure

[twin parcel]

i used iron pipes to get rid of screws .

screw the scew .

[unkempt blade]

I think you can do that with either steel pipe recipe though

[glacial drum]

Iron pipes are 100 ingots > 25 pipe

Costly.

[twin parcel]

yeah but the hmf factory has 3 pure iron nodes and 2 normal ones so it was a decent trade of to get rid of screws .

[reef basin]

there's not much reason to get rid of screws tbh

[fickle locust]

Molded Steel Beam by a longshot
Iron pipe uses so much iron it's only worthwhile in smaller quantities when you don't have access to coal

[reef basin]

(and iron-based steel recipes are very iron expensive)

[fickle locust]

It's an amazing recipe for an area with only iron nodes to make stators (iron pipe plus iron wire and you're golden)

But for a big HMF factory? You'll be cutting your frame production to something like 1/5 what it could be

[twin parcel]

i didnt pick iron wire but i had a copper factory nearby to ship wires and cables

i guees i should have picked molded steel pipe instead of iron pipes (added transport logistics complexity ofc )

[reef basin]

you can get all recipes anyway, it doesn't matter much what do you pick

[ornate saffron]

momentary discomfort

[twin parcel]

finding coal nodes isnt hard , its just a headache to find one beside with iron nodes .

[glacial drum]

I used the few near the big lake/crater with SAM in it

[twin parcel]

i started at dune desert though .

[glacial drum]

choo choo

[fickle locust]

Dune Desert has a great HMF spot in the top right

Around the crater

Alternately you can cart the coal from the riverside to the iron nodes a bit further into the desert

[real shale]

ah theres the issue with my aluminium factory i was looking for, i need more COKE

[ornate saffron]

mmmm coke

[real shale]

time to send a second drone over

[twin parcel]

nah i built diffrent , im gonna cart the iron ingots to the coal node and build a large steel factory .

[real shale]

whoever was telling me that Ada would have been disappointed in me for monitoring the factory, there you go, i proved you wrong :P

[fickle locust]

So long as the one goes to the other it'll all work out

[ornate saffron]

"A"ttention "D"eficit "A"dministrator

[supple pawn]

hi is turbofuel and compacted coal worth spending two harddrives on? im at tier 6 right now, and dont have a lot of alt recipes yet

[ornate saffron]

its worth it if you think youll use it. I tend to leave Scanned harddrives open until i need something. this removes those option from the pool until you choose one of the options

[green fiber]

diluted fuel will carry you enough for now

compacted / turbo is really only if you have that already and cant expand oil power much further

[native tapir]

It depends on how much you like hunting for the orbs

[supple pawn]

is diluted fuel just the orange one

[supple pawn]

thats a really good tip ty

[supple pawn]

I will like it once i get the rifle lol

[ornate saffron]

i try to (sometimes fail) to get every recipee for the phase im on before i progress. this way im not rescanning a million drives looking for that one niche alt i wish i had

[supple pawn]

yeah i've already failed immensely by getting like maybe three drives scanned before unlocking tier 5 stuff

[ornate saffron]

youll get there. take a break from the final cube and go wander

then again if your in phase 5 do you really need any alts lol

[supple pawn]

Not necessarily, but i'd like them just in case

[supple pawn]

Yeah exploration time

[ornate saffron]

while exploring spread some democracy

[supple pawn]

will do

[ornate saffron]

[supple pawn]

now that i've gotten the jetpack i fear i could never start a new save and not have it anymore

[ornate saffron]

aits a rough run to phase 3 for sure

[gloomy tusk]

how much power should i go for to try to last to finish the game

i currently have 30k MW and max production is at 20K

[ornate saffron]

id aim for 1000MW those end game machines are greedy

[gloomy tusk]

1000MW?

i think you mean GW

[wanton cloud]

that's kinda low

[ornate saffron]

sorry 100 000mw

[gloomy tusk]

i have 37x 1000MW

[wanton cloud]

yeah GW is prolly what was meant

[gloomy tusk]

ok and is turbofuel better for power?

[wanton cloud]

soo one TW?

[gloomy tusk]

no

[wanton cloud]

10?

[gloomy tusk]

1/10 of a TW

[visual reef]

1 TW = 1.000.000 MW or 10^6 MW

[ornate saffron]

100GW is another way to put it

[wanton cloud]

huh i gotta get my watts straight

[ornate saffron]

1000MW = 1 GW
1000GW =TW\

[gloomy tusk]

correct

[wanton cloud]

ye ye i know i know js got confused

[visual reef]

... MW itself is 10^6 W

so a TW is 10^12 W

[ornate saffron]

600 oil worth of nitro rtocket fuel made with Heavy oil residue and Diluted fuel makes 250GW of power

[gloomy tusk]

@ornate saffron

[ornate saffron]

idk i always skip turbo

[gloomy tusk]

please show me how to do that

what do i need

just fuel?

[ornate saffron]

sec i got you. there is a few other resources. Bluye crater has it all though

[ornate saffron]

#screenshots message

[real shale]

If you can pull it off, sure, but honestly, it depends

I'm skeptical of using it without a very concrete logistics plan in place for the compacted coal side of things, last thing I want is my entire power plant going bye bye because I decided to snip one train line

or something like that

[gloomy tusk]

I believe i need more alt recipes

[ornate saffron]

three total. diluted fuel, heavy oil residue and nitro rocket fuel

you can also just og nuclear

or go ham on diluted fuel in generaly

[reef basin]

1TW to GW is same as 1TB to GB 🙂

[ornate saffron]

good way to put it

[wanton cloud]

i know man i js got confused

Man im really close to finishing my fuel, rubber, plastic and smokeless powder factory im so excited

ykwhat imma post it in #screenshots in a minute

[delicate robin]

Standard train + freight length (such as 1+3 or 1+4), or just have it be whatever each individual factory needs? I know that was a big thing in factorio, but it's harder to reuse trains in Satisfactory, so I feel like it's not as important

[twin parcel]

#screenshots message @hollow hazel holy shit thats a good idea

[tall lantern]

whatever's needed, IMO. Which may be multiple trains and/or stations for some factories

[opaque knoll]

hey, any new big updates coming soon?

[feral jay]

1.2, sometime Q1 or Q2 this year

[scenic mirage]

maybe, maybe not

[wanton cloud]

Chat what do yall think of my factory in #screenshots

[lost rapids]

960 supercomputer/min :3

[real shale]

what.....

[wanton cloud]

not possible btw

[opaque knoll]

I've finished game. I wanna start again but with new features

[opaque knoll]

Any info about 1.2 at all? Like what to expect?

[wanton cloud]

mods are right there

[opaque knoll]

Fk mods

[scenic mirage]

you can still start again, just do things differently

[wanton cloud]

ok then do a run with no over/underclocks

[feral jay]

Nope, that's about it, although it's confirmed there will be fluid trucks and likely a new game mode

[wanton cloud]

GAME MODE? what could they possibly add besides survival where u fight waves of hogs

maybe they go the sanctum route and make a tower defense

[real shale]

battle royale mode obviously

[lost rapids]

Tower defense in Satis when ?

[feral jay]

Never

[feral jay]

My best guess is randomized resource nodes

But nobody knows

[wanton cloud]

honestly that would be fire

fresh run every run

[white dawn]

Oops, All Limestone

[real shale]

oops all uranium

[wanton cloud]

actually, it's only bauxite

[real shale]

imagine you spawn in right next to uranium

[wanton cloud]

imagine ONLY uranium

[white dawn]

Well, technically if you stick with a resource in the "basic" Converter loop you could still make all products in the game (so long as you still have oil + water, anyway)

So iron/copper/limestone/sulfur

If you start with anything in the other loop you can't get back up to the "top"

[real shale]

no oil or uranium or coal, forced to use biomass for the entire playthrough

[white dawn]

(How you're supposed to get to Tier 9 to get the Converter is another question, of course. :D)

[real shale]

speedrun gamemode would be funny too

"Quick you have X amount of time to feed the space elevator or the kittens and puppies DIE!"

[wanton cloud]

no copper on the map, spared from making copper powder

[feral jay]

-+++++++-

[scenic mirage]

why is ada judging me for my hobbies

[wanton cloud]

what hobbies

hobbies take away from your work time, ofcourse she'll judge you

[gloomy tusk]

what do i need for nuclear pasta?

[quasi warren]

Probably killing lizard doggos or the BEANS

[scenic mirage]

yeah the stupid bean was in my way

[wanton cloud]

then that is twice the judgment.
Once for having a hobby
Twice for killing poor innocent space tick penguin whale thing

[scenic mirage]

no bc why does it make those cracking noises

[wanton cloud]

it is the mating call

[gloomy tusk]

with the flying bird thing

[quasi warren]

I mean, I remember I once went on a complete murder spree. And killed every animal i found. Beans and lizard doggos included.

I became a maniac.

Ada stopped insulting me after a while

[fickle locust]

Pressure Frames (Fused Modular Frames plus Radio Control) and all of the copper on the map

[sleek creek]

Where does the smart splitter come from? I have a priority merger but nto the splitter.

[gloomy tusk]

[real shale]

Quartz (?) MAM tree i think

[gloomy tusk]

do you use nuclear pasta for anything apart from space elevator

[real shale]

no, caterium one

[sleek creek]

ty

[fickle locust]

Nope. Pasta and Ballistic Warp Drives, which are both elevator parts

[real shale]

pasta is used for singularity cells

[tall lantern]

that's the only spelevator part that's also used for non-spelevator stuff

[fickle locust]

I definitely forgot there was an intermediate step in that chain

[quasi warren]

Unless you play modded

Like I do. SE parts are used ALL the time

[tall lantern]

if you play modded anything's possible, and this isn't the modding server anyway, so not relevant to me 😀

[quasi warren]

Fair enough

[gloomy tusk]

what mods do you use

[quasi warren]

Mostly refined power and digital storage. Those two use them the most imo

[jaunty vault]

Mk2 miners the best it gets?

[tall lantern]

3

[jaunty vault]

Thanks:)

[gloomy tusk]

47

[void cliff]

What makes you guys want to play with mods in general? I feel like I haven’t mastered the game yet in 800 hours

[tall lantern]

2500 hours, nothing lol

[leaden turret]

4000+ hours, still haven't finished

[scenic mirage]

80000+ hours, its finally getting interesting

[leaden turret]

oh so you just completed the tutorial then

[tall lantern]

some people like modding in QoL and aesthetic stuff that doesn't impact the main game that much

then you've got some who like new resources and recipes

[scenic mirage]

i just got the space elevator built! 😄