satisfactory

[wispy osprey]

Somewhere around forest and yes, the map is static and the same no matter your choice of starting location

[dense violet]

burn it there

no need to bring it badck

[peak wasp]

wdym

[dense violet]

did you start in the grassy fields?

[peak wasp]

if i want inf automate coal i gotta make a coal miner which is

[dire needle]

where is the ideal plastic and rubber production location on the map?

[peak wasp]

i gotta bring it back to base

[dense violet]

anwwhere with oil

[peak wasp]

to automate coal gens

[dense violet]

no you don't

[peak wasp]

and yeah

what

[dense violet]

go north north west, over a cliff, you'll find a big lake with 4 coal nodes, just mine and burn it there

[dire needle]

u happend to know the best efficent oil to rubber/plastic recipes

[peak wasp]

oh yea power lines exist tf im doing

[dense violet]

oil to HOR alt to Diluted fuel alt to recycled plastic/rubber

[peak wasp]

the waterfall?

[wispy osprey]

Any node close to water is understated, it's really easy to setup right there. Fast to use it at source instead of transporting. Save transporting bottled stuff for later

[peak wasp]

btw is power line infinite

[dense violet]

near one

[wispy osprey]

Cables are not infinite

[peak wasp]

its so long

[dense violet]

cables can carry infinite power

[wispy osprey]

Oh you mean power transporting, yeah

I think most people use 1 universal power grid

[dense violet]

it really isnt

[peak wasp]

longer than a factory game i played

[wispy osprey]

I think most people will know the name of nearly every factory game title here

[dense violet]

... the time or the distance?

[peak wasp]

distance

wdym time

[dense violet]

400m is very short

[peak wasp]

does transporting electric take time

[dense violet]

did it when you were connecting things up with bio burners?

[peak wasp]

its long vro

[wispy osprey]

Machines take a few to make items but power is instant

[peak wasp]

yeah then what is it when he mentioned time

[wispy osprey]

Same with turning things off with power switches, it's instant

[dense violet]

I was baffled that you thought 400m was far

[peak wasp]

it is far

[dense violet]

you're going to have a rough time with the rest of the game then

[wispy osprey]

That's regular power pole distance right?

[peak wasp]

sounds scary

[dense violet]

they were talking about the distance to their coal

[wispy osprey]

Oh that's nothing

[peak wasp]

i was talking about THE POWER POLESS

biggest misunderstanding

also the coal nodes near the river is 4 right

ima get 4 miner

[wispy osprey]

4 normal nodes in jungle crater/ crater lake

[peak wasp]

so uhh

how many coal gen do i place near it

[dense violet]

I'd burn all 4 nodes

[peak wasp]

with 1 coal gen?

[wispy osprey]

Blue crater lake has coal a bit further out but it's also 4 nodes

[peak wasp]

oh why is this thing massive

ima go north west like he said

oh yea i can jst use scan

i dont think it got anything in nw

[dense violet]

you do

[peak wasp]

north east or north west?

[dense violet]

north north west. About 1km away depending where you're starting from

[peak wasp]

i found the lake

BEES

uhh

[wispy osprey]

Watch out for hogs there too, they'll punt you off of the cliff sides

[peak wasp]

bauxite?

im already half my health

[wispy osprey]

Aluminum component, it's also around the map as temporary nodes and is the most useless temporary node

[peak wasp]

is it a thing with purple on it

with a black creature guarding

[wispy osprey]

Temporary nodes become useless the second you find an infinite node

[peak wasp]

can i send satisfactory stuff on off topic media

cause ima send that thing

[wispy osprey]

Crawler, purple stuff is either SAM or quartz

[peak wasp]

i definitely know quartz

can i send it in off topic media tho

probably lemme jst fight the black creature

oh its spitter

[peak wasp]

yo whats mercer sphere

does an ender dragon gang up on me if i pick it up

nvm picked it up

[unkempt blade]

no spoilers just pick it up!

[peak wasp]

ok

going north west forever and still havent encounter that one 4 ore nodes

[dense violet]

keep pinging coal

[vague thorn]

is it normal for this game to feel overwhelming for a new player cause im feeling overwhelmed 😭

[peak wasp]

its north east i swear pls

[fading crow]

yea it is

[peak wasp]

kinda complex but fun

[fading crow]

depending on how far you plan to go tbh

[dense violet]

treat teh milestones as a tutorial - jsut there to learn 🙂 don't stress too much

[peak wasp]

oh my GODDDD

my death crate is like 2000 meters away

[fading crow]

?

[fading crow]

basically why i play on keep inventory 😭

[peak wasp]

wait u can?

[fading crow]

yea in game settings

[peak wasp]

eee

i can make mobs passive

but ima play normally

[wispy osprey]

Both of those settings don't remove achievements

No detriment in doing that, crawlers and hatchers are terrible

[peak wasp]

e

then passive

[fading crow]

i play on retalliate, but for some reason everything is on passive except hatchers

[peak wasp]

is retalliate hard or easy

english for sorry bad

job bro one had

[fading crow]

its just they attack you only if you attack first

[wispy osprey]

They're supposed to*

If satisfactory had a difficulty setting it would be fluid related

Because i would change fluids like this in a heartbeat

[fading crow]

ive been dealing with fluids for a long time, never had problems until now

[peak wasp]

i dont rlly do achieverments tbh

but ima turn it passive

[placid dew]

i just spent 30 minutes trying to repair my aluminium, found out i frogot to flush my pipes before

[fading crow]

youre gonna be glad you did that when you see alpha stingers

[fading crow]

💔

[wispy osprey]

Alpha stingers and nuke hogs

[zenith pecan]

Aluminium is the first true test of dealing with byproduct and reuse 🙂

[fading crow]

i usually dont mind radiation, its just annoying at some times

[wispy osprey]

Crude oil is a taste of it

[zenith pecan]

Yeah, but the byproduct initially is soilid so you can sink it.

[placid dew]

its not hard but when i am trying to do 10k aluminium ingots per minute water gets annoying to deal with

[fading crow]

depening on what you use, say you want plastic, but also get heavy oil residue

[wispy osprey]

My first turbo fuel didn't do to hot but I did so much wrong anyway and a mega factory design burned me out

[fading crow]

im making a factory making 1600 fuel per min, but the crude oil is killing me, it keeps sloshing

[zenith pecan]

Oh I know large scale aluminium, here's mine, it processes all of the maps bauxite: #design-and-architecture message

[quasi warren]

Ive never done turbofuel before. Too scared to do that big of a project

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message can i remove this rock actually

[zenith pecan]

My old turbofuel was a real monster, the waste resin was reprocessed into plastic.

[quasi warren]

Using bombs. Yeah

[peak wasp]

bombs??????

[fading crow]

the space is the biggest problem

[peak wasp]

nah i think ima pass that node

[quasi warren]

Have you not unlocked tiers 3 and 4 yet?

[wispy osprey]

Research sulfur

[zenith pecan]

We get to blow stuff up #screenshots message

[quasi warren]

I always forget to build up.

[fading crow]

yea, im gonna do that when i make 8000 rocket fuel per min 🤑

[peak wasp]

that kind of spoil me a lot

[peak wasp]

yo dawg after u said that i jst found sum sulfur ore

[fading crow]

lol

[wispy osprey]

Nice

Probably a temp node, the devs intentionally made sulfur the dumbest material in the world for no reason

Sulfur is more valuable than coal, iron, and crude oil combined

[peak wasp]

dont tell me i need water for coal gen

pls🙏

[wispy osprey]

Yes, that's why I told you to build gens in the crater lake

[leaden turret]

you need h2o for coal gen

[wispy osprey]

Coal is near there

[peak wasp]

i found 3 coal nodes

but no lake near here honestly

[wispy osprey]

sigh

[peak wasp]

oh wait thank you

thank god

a lake next to me i jst discovered

with a raw quartz

ts blessed my whole life

[wispy osprey]

Hmm

[peak wasp]

how do i collect water

[leaden turret]

!wikisearch Water Extractor

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Water+Extractor

[peak wasp]

NO

NO

I NEED COPPER SHEETSSSS

ok ima die to get to my base thats faster

[elfin smelt]

youll need tons of sheets at this point

[fading crow]

copper sheets early game is fine, just mid game is where it starts to get more important

[peak wasp]

if i get back to my base i gotta walk back for like 20 mins

[elfin smelt]

are you familar with bunny hopping

[peak wasp]

i can do slide+jump

but after some high climb it jst reset my slide

[wispy osprey]

Bunny hop is intended for flat ground and downhill runs

Any incline kills your momentum

[white beacon]

Is diluted packaged fuel a good alt recipe?

[wispy osprey]

Yes

[white beacon]

Cool thanks

[fading crow]

yea, its literally what i used for my fuel factory lol

950 crude oil to 1600 fuel

[wispy osprey]

Alternate heavy oil residue is also goated as hell

[fading crow]

yea

[wispy osprey]

If you have a side rubber setup at like 200 or so, that much fuel can make SO much recycled plastic and rubber

[white beacon]

Pretty sure I got that one last night

[wispy osprey]

The only downside to alt packaged residue fuel is that you need to loop empty containers back to water at a decently steady rate

It's a decent number of containers, having those ready before hand does require some math shenanigans if your belts are long enough

[versed cosmos]

just throw a container down somewhere along the belt and fill it with containers

[versed cosmos]

HOR + DF turns 600 crude into 1600 fuel

20,000 MW if you burn it

[fading crow]

i had 4 mk4 belts each carrying 400 packages per min going into refineries and packagers

[wispy osprey]

Alt nitro rocket fuel and normal also produce compacted coal as a byproduct?

[versed cosmos]

yea both give compacted coal

[wispy osprey]

That gives me an idea

[versed cosmos]

you can recycle it into more turbo, burn it as is, or sink it

[wispy osprey]

Recycling for turbo requires more fuel, and I'd rather skip normal and go straight to nitro

[versed cosmos]

yea agreed

i'd just sink it tbh

[wispy osprey]

Although I will admit building hundreds of fuel burners sure does sound like compelling gameplay

[versed cosmos]

the one thing i dont like about oil

[wispy osprey]

They really need to tone this down

[versed cosmos]

you build lines and lines of refineries and fuel generators

[wispy osprey]

Compacted coal is useful still with alt compact steel, copper, and caterium

[fading crow]

i want to start with trains, its just i cant find a good bluepirnt

[versed cosmos]

yeah

[wispy osprey]

Plus many more

[versed cosmos]

just build a train line

just do a push-pull system first

[wispy osprey]

Same kinda deal with raw petrol, it can be made into diamonds

[versed cosmos]

then try dual tracks

[wispy osprey]

And aluminum

[fading crow]

ive dealt with trains before

[versed cosmos]

oh right

[fading crow]

other saves

[quasi warren]

Do this first?

[versed cosmos]

what are you looking for in a blueprint

[quasi warren]

What should I bring? And from where?

Thats my biggest thing, idk what to bring where and from

[peak wasp]

i got hacked

oh my

[quasi warren]

Steam..? Discord...?

[unkempt blade]

what do you need the blueprint for?

[fading crow]

dual lanes, junctions, ...

i saw totalxclipse make line quadruple lane

2 lane bottom and 2 top

[mighty spear]

hi guys i have a question

is there any power slugs that respawn????

[fading crow]

nope, however you can keep getting power slugs but very slow

[mighty spear]

how???

[fading crow]

by taming lizard doggos, they can sometimes give you power slugs

[mighty spear]

what do i need to tame them????

[fading crow]

paleberrys

[mighty spear]

alright thx

[night sail]

Hey, is there a place somewhere in the Rocky desert where there are pure coal deposits and water sources right next to each other can someone share me the coordinates for that ?

[zenith pecan]

The closest I can think of would be the north east of the rocky desert, kind of a delta of a river, and pure coal near it, exact coords, I don't know, sorry.

[dense violet]

possibly SE on the cliff?
but in general you don't get much mroe from pure nodes than normal because your belts will be limitng your output

not until mk6 belts

[zenith pecan]

My memory is a bit hazy, I haven't built there in ages.

[night sail]

I was planning on building a 8 coal generator setup so a pure node would be good as I could produce just enough with a mrk1 miner

+mrk2 belts

[dense violet]

just over clock normal nodes - you'll want to burn 3-4 entire coal nodes for power anyway

[dense violet]

for example - east of the rocky desert https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1439217940141441107/image.png?ex=69808ca8&is=697f3b28&hm=236da118bce5da439567c92e6fec1db4084bef9c8673e744cf2985a69e3b218c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=299

[zenith pecan]

The location I'm on about is where I built this back in early access #design-and-architecture message

[dense violet]

same spot 😛

[zenith pecan]

I did say my memory is really hazy, it doesn't help that I'm unwell enough that I ought to be back in my bed, I just cannot sleep.

[dense violet]

I'm sorry you're unwell 🙁 getting better I hope?

[zenith pecan]

Right now it doesn't feel like it, if I'm still the same tomorrow I'm calling in sick.

[dense violet]

I mean it sounds like you should have been calling in sick and just resting now

[zenith pecan]

I get that, I just did my job on friday feeling like death warmed up haha, now I'm paying for it.

Tbh I thought I could just get away with it since I work in the IT workshop, I can just do my work and not need to go on site etc as I'm one of those responsible for deployments & repairs, but well, nope 🤣

[dense violet]

just having to be on the ball on tasks is enough to make you worse in that state :\

[weary condor]

blinked and its 7am and I've made little to no progress on this project

[zenith pecan]

Yep, I learned that after running into the good old AMD TPM vs Intune Autopilot issues 🤦‍♂️ , oh well, right now I'm debating on building my new steel processing & motor plant instead as I have a lot of demolished stuff to build in a decently scaled manner (4x what I had)

And I want to locate an impure copper and move copper to depot to that site, freeing up the pure I'm wasting on basics.

[unkempt blade]

Why not make your own? I also wouldn't really expect a lot of "junctions" to fit inside the blueprinter easily

[zenith pecan]

I do that in both the workshop and with satisfactory projects, I look up and WTF did six hours go.

[weary condor]

had a 5 minute mounting thing turn into a 3 hour job last time I was working on something irl

time sink is forever

[zenith pecan]

Reminds me of my last deployment, sure only half hour per system, doing four in parallel, what could possibly go wrong, never underestimate Intune, I got twelve machines done in eight hours 🤦‍♂️

[weary condor]

nooo 😭

I half took out our thunderlaser for two weeks last time I sent a part it was tragic

[zenith pecan]

One thing our work has in common with satisfactory, time just goes byebye and we wind up questioning our life choices 😄

[weary condor]

unfortunately 💔

[zenith pecan]

Tbh though, in spite of all the quibbles, I quite enjoy my work 👍

[weary condor]

takes like 5 tries to get these floor numbers facing my elevator and its been annoying me since like floor 2 😭

[weary condor]

cant stop coming back

[zenith pecan]

Tech support war stories become highlights "ticket says camera doesn't work" ~have you tried opening the privacy cover ~ yeah of course I have, ...ooook press your thumb to the right on the top middle of the screen (camera suddenly has a picture), ~there you go . fixed 🤦‍♂️

[weary condor]

lol

same stuff happens to me with simple mech fixes

[zenith pecan]

I've seen it here in satisfactory, my pipes won't fill up, do you have a pump or valve backwards ~**NO! **, can I see a picture ~sure. shows image of four backwards pumps.

[weary condor]

always something quick and easy like tightening a nut but because the person who needs it does programming they assume worst case

[oak nymph]

Is it just me or phase 5 seems really easy compare to phase 4 like I already automated 2 project part almost 3

[weary condor]

I just delete and replace pipes until they work lol

[zenith pecan]

To be fair I have had a pipe that's snapped but not actually connected, those are maddening to diagnose as I have to inspect every section until I find the bit where one is full, and the next one is completely empty.

[weary condor]

friend im doing this save with unlocked the dimension inventory thing and im using all our mercer spheres for silica and steel beams for my windows lol

[weary condor]

that got me once and never again

if thats not the issue I just tear everything down and give it another try usually

[zenith pecan]

In my case it was a monster refinery that was taking up every last drop of oil in the spire coast, one pipeline had to be the longest and most buggy assembly I ever laid down, it had three glitched joins.

[weary condor]

first ever coal set up

scarred for like bc I had no idea what I was doing in the first place smh

[zenith pecan]

I'm considering a more distributed oil setup for rubber & plastic actually in the spire, every oil well will have it's own refinery cluster directly above it, feeding the finished products into the dunes via the tunnel network.

[weary condor]

ever since you showed me part of that save I think of trying something similar everytime I need a long belt

still pre trains and I despise tractors so I have a 1.5km long copper belt for this phase 2 stuff

[zenith pecan]

I just don't know if I can get away with building the spire rubber & plastic clusters first with my stored parts, or rebuild some basics first, I think I want the spire oil.

[weary condor]

id do basics ngl

simple but scaled factories are the most enjoyable builds of the game imo

[zenith pecan]

The mk6 belts make transiting the finished products far easier than running monster pipelines like my previous save, and since the spire coast has a lot of water around the wells, I don't need a 3km water pipe cluster crossing the desert to feed production like the old one

[weary condor]

abt half a million points per ticket right now and I have 53 banked from getting 32kppm while building

[weary condor]

if you need the oil products to do the basic stuff properly then oil

but I loveeeee building for basic components idk what it is

[clever sandal]

best phase 3 item for sink?

[zenith pecan]

I can grab rubber & plastic from the depot, as 240 of each are produced using power station byproducts.

I want to get the main production lines running and feeding into primary production though, I have just short of 5000 steel ingots waiting to be used as well.

[weary condor]

ahh

tough choice ngl

[zenith pecan]

I think I have the stored parts to build the whole oil chain from scratch though.

[short fiber]

The feeling of when you finally can turn off your biofuel generators and can switch too 100% efficient methods like coal

[clever sandal]

fr

[zenith pecan]

I still have my old coal plant of 32 generators running, it's what's contributing towards my just shy of 1.2Tw of power, I need to decomission that and redirect the coal into time crystals.

[weary condor]

built a 600 for my first in this save

[short fiber]

I nearly levitated

[weary condor]

then used the power to build up resources for a planned 4500

[zenith pecan]

My actual power output #design-and-architecture message

[weary condor]

but stopped building it at 2250 because it was a lil mindnumbing

[zenith pecan]

Yeah it really says 1,189,350.1 🤣

Right, to satisfactory tools! , I need to design three different refinery cluster layouts in order to swallow the spire coast.

[weary condor]

was the straight build mode for belts a thing pre-1.0?

[zenith pecan]

No, I had to position the belt supports prior to 1.0, it can still be flaky post 1.0, your milage will vary #screenshots message & #screenshots message .

[weary condor]

thank god 😭

I habitually use default mode and do the 2 nudges away thing with poles still

just discovered the straight mode and thought I'd been wasting time

[weary condor]

yeah I've run into the squiggles around mergers and splitters a couple times alr

[zenith pecan]

Hmm, while my rubber/plastic might not be as efficient, I might be able to produce a ton of time crystals.

[wispy osprey]

What type of float value is sink points per ticket? I wanna assume 32 being -2 billion to +2 billion

4~ billion in total

Does sink rate have an absolute limit? It wouldn't make sense to wrap around and it can't increase forever

[zenith pecan]

I have 0 idea there.

[inland ore]

Heya there.
Im a prety new player with a mere 90h play time.

I just reached the oil age in my play through and im having a blast.

Im really excited to go further on and be part of this very nice seeming community

[wispy osprey]

90 hours reaching oil is an actual achievement in itself

[zenith pecan]

Welcome aboard, remember you only get your first playthrough once, laugh when you make a giant booboo, don't optimise the fun out yet 🙂

[weary condor]

ive been building this one factory for 13 hours and im still pre oil 😭

[inland ore]

Im taking my time and spend more time on decorating than getting progress xD

I dont start a new factory till im happy with the looks of the current one

[zenith pecan]

I'm currently tackling a default design for scalable oil to rubber/plastic refinery clusters, just the design work alone is taking up my time, let alone actually building the things all over the spires.

[inland ore]

I believe if someone would have told me there is an jetpack in this game i would have rushed to it so the building gets a tad easier. Kinda glad i didnt know tho.

(Im not watching any videos towards the game so i have a few surprises on the way)

[steady cedar]

Well it does take a bit to unlock it

[zenith pecan]

My approach to early building tends to be a lot of temporary ramps and foundations so I can see what I'm building from as many angles as I need.

[steady cedar]

And getting a reliable fuel source

[steady cedar]

Also people usually use the hover pack for building

[inland ore]

The what

[steady cedar]

can't remember if its unlocked with or sometime after jet pack

[inland ore]

I believe after😂

[steady cedar]

It lets you stay still in hair and not worrying about fuel also increased building range

tbh it should be unlocked sooner for building

[zenith pecan]

Oh boy, I'm going to need to design a beltway to even numbers, the clusters will be making 666 rubber/plastic, and smaller clusters doing 333 ....

[inland ore]

That, ladders and photo mode are to this point my best tools😂

[zenith pecan]

I prefer to use foundations and ramps because I'm always falling off ladders 🙂

[steady cedar]

ye photo mod is pretty useful, a little buggy sometimes too

It crashes the game sometimes

[inland ore]

Oh? Haven't have that experience yet.
Maybe it works a bit better on consoles?

Overall my game didnt crash once so far

[steady cedar]

I have noticed it usually happens when i use it after moving far away from where i used it last time

It doesn't seem to always start at the player and goes back to where you left that mod which might be the cause

Although that was a while ago might be fixed now

Might even be when 1.1 was in experimental

[zenith pecan]

I need to decide on a balance of rubber to plastic I think, maybe 70% plastic, last save had a lot of rubber go unused.

And this time around I'm going to be producing more!

[inland ore]

I just realised i have to replan all my factorys cause they need train stations...

[mortal ginkgo]

The answer is always more.

[reef basin]

depends how you define "good" 🙂

[zenith pecan]

I'm tinkering with recipes on tools right now to design each cluster to spew out much more than last save.

Last save made only 2400 rubber & plastic after consuming the whole spire coast, not very efficient.

[mortal ginkgo]

recycled rubber / plastic recipe with packaged/dilluted fuel recipe = smex

[zenith pecan]

I'll be using blender dilute for simplicity.

[steady cedar]

I think people are ignoring that its packaged not normal

[unkempt blade]

I enjoy a lot of the rubber-consuming alt recipes if you haven't tried many of those before. My first large plastic+rubber build is about 50/50 and then I got to find reasons to use it all 😆

[zenith pecan]

Nuts, I never enab ... time to fix six plans 🤦‍♂️

[reef basin]

they are the same

[steady cedar]

Kinda i guess

[zenith pecan]

That threw the plans into chaos 🤣

[steady cedar]

Just a bit more work for the packaged

[reef basin]

well, only at the start making the blueprint

[robust gyro]

Hi quick question what does the input on alien power things? What is the input?

[reef basin]

then it's equal

[reef basin]

for when you need to input something into them

[inland ore]

Am I considered a bad player for having creatures on passive?

Idk im not a fan of battle in a "factory" base builder game

[steady cedar]

Its late game

[unkempt blade]

a good reason to learn how to use the blueprinter

[unkempt blade]

Why do you care what people here think? The game is supposed to be fun for you

[mortal ginkgo]

Other people's consideration of your playstyle in a singleplayer-focused game is not worth of your time as long as you are having fun.

I spent 200 hours in phase 1 because I loved decorating and wanted to see my limits of how much I could go so far.

People finish the game in 50 hours.

[steady cedar]

Its generally not much of a challenge you just have to brave them once
They don't spawn when you have a factory where they spawn

[inland ore]

That way of thinking is way to healthy for my usual games😂

But i suppose you are right and i shouldn't give to much about it

[fluid sage]

hey guys

[mortal ginkgo]

You paid for the game, you can simply just go around and explore to see the view and never put a single machine for all someone cares.

[mortal ginkgo]

You should not give it anything, at all.

[fluid sage]

i built a lizard doggo prison

[mortal ginkgo]

You go prison now. Go jail. Irl.

[unkempt blade]

Yeah it's not a "competitive" MP game so there's no cheating. People are allowed to have fun with it however they want

[mortal ginkgo]

ALso this game is God damn beautiful for the first time and more.

[zenith pecan]

Tbh, I'm glad you mentioned the forgotten dilute recipe while I was still laying out plans, realising the mistake halfway through construction would have been horrible.

[fluid sage]

😭

[mortal ginkgo]

Gulag is meant for people like you.

Meanwhile I got 8 doggos in a "prison", quotes mind you. They still see sky.

[fluid sage]

my dfoggo see air

doggo

[mortal ginkgo]

why did I say air instead of sky? I have no idea.

[unkempt blade]

I just give them foundations and a few glass walls so they don't run out in front of my vehicles 😆

[mortal ginkgo]

I am not englishin'.

[fluid sage]

his name is fluffo 0001

[zenith pecan]

Now each clusters output is revised upwards from 666, 333 & 166, to 1700, 850 & 425, that is a serious gain just from a forgotten recipe.

[mortal ginkgo]

TO BE ULTRA MAJOR OMEGA ALPHA FAIR WITH YOU BROTHERMAN, I actually wanted to keep them in a certain empty zone.

Problem is, they TRULY can roam far away.

[zenith pecan]

Since the clusters are going up in the spire, water is so not a problem.

[mortal ginkgo]

One of them went for the Ocean so far that it couldn't come back. Had to use SCIM to get him back lols.

[unkempt blade]

I've had bad luck losing them any time they didn't have a foundation floor so now it's just the first place they go as soon as I get them back to the hub

[fluid sage]

[mortal ginkgo]

ok but lets be honest, doggos should be grabable, like the mod

[unkempt blade]

I agree, the basher is the best weapon. It makes me feel like a jedi with a cardboard wrapping paper tube

[fluid sage]

yes they should be

[zenith pecan]

So I can't just wall off an area with actual grass or they escape?

[unkempt blade]

In my experience it's less escape and more fall into the ground lol

[zenith pecan]

Aw, that nukes my nature enclosure idea, I didn't want to build a prison like cell.

[inland ore]

I absolutely second this.
But I also think there is space to evolve in more.

I dont know what the story ends in yet as it is my first play through.

And I also dont know if there is somethings i didnt discover yet.

But I wish that there is something else to explore

With all the mercer spheres that evolve in to a conversation between ada and (error 404 name not found)
There would be some space to make some ruins of some kind of what ever it is or something.

I really love the design of the map and overall the game just sometimes it feels a tiny bit to empty for my personal liking.

But as far as I understand the game is not at all fully finished so there is things to come. Or maybe thats something that will not come cause its not in the interests of the developers. Whats how ever its an awesome game so far!

[unkempt blade]

yeah I'm not sure if anything has been improved with that in updates but it's my holdover superstition from EA and I'm sticking to it 🤣

[zenith pecan]

Yeah, if something goes bad and might need scim to fix, I'll generally avoid since I do not edit my save, ever.

[unkempt blade]

yeah doggos are obnxious enough to get to follow you for long distances I just don't mess with what's worked for me

[zenith pecan]

Looking at my spire project in tools, lets say I'm glad I built the power station I have, the numbers of refineries in each cluster is unkind.

[mortal ginkgo]

Long story ULTRA short: Devs were gonna do something with story. But new leadership stirred the game to a "more wider audience, easy access, ultra sandbox" mode.

Main reason for this is the extremely long EA time.

[zenith pecan]

Here is just one 600 oil well so far https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=OfJdtGDQ7ksEcNpR82PY

That said, one cluster isn't far off the total output of that product from the entire refinery in the past.

[inland ore]

Thats unfortunate. I would have loved to see some little side story getting in to all of that

[unkempt blade]

I think I had maybe a different perception of the "ruins" part. I thought a lot of the map where you'd see the big chunks of stuff with a rebar mesh sticking out already felt really ruins-y to me. It all at least felt not-naturally-occurring

[mortal ginkgo]

I think the main plan was to have those 2 other mentioned "successful lands" a thing as a lore.

Its just my chungus guess and highest reach possible kek

[zenith pecan]

Yay, my current save even though it's mostly under developed already gets the too much objects error when trying to see it in scim.

[inland ore]

Do they get mentioned in the game? Or is that from some Interview?
Cause if its in the game i either didnt get there yet or missed it

[robust gyro]

How many alien power booster can you activate at once?

[mortal ginkgo]

the first dialogue states that there are 2 more pioneers before us that landed successfuly.

what happened to them is never explained (we only find another old-timer helmet so one is surely perished)

[inland ore]

Oh wow. That went completely over my head some how...

[reef basin]

as many as you have resources

[zenith pecan]

What am I doing, I can max clock .... I need more coffee!

[inland ore]

Be careful or else you get a stain👀

[zenith pecan]

No chance I'm wasting perfectly good coffee 😛

[frosty mirage]

I dont think im using smart splitters correctly. I have a conveyor with plastic and rubber coming into a smart splitter, in the right output set for rubber i have a lift going into an assembler and the center output is set for any. Shouldn't the center output send forward both rubber and plastic?

[wispy osprey]

I mean I'm saying 90 hours is fast. It took me a really long time to figure things out in this game for some reason

[zenith pecan]

Lol ADA, is this an attempt at a scientific experiment, I flushed one of the unneeded ficsmas cartridges.

[wispy osprey]

Satisfactory is the first logistics sim game I've played, and it's a lot to learn at once

It's a middle entry point in terms of other popular factory sim games

[inland ore]

God the more I think the more questions i have...

I need to make packaged fuel

How do I transport it?
Belt?
Train?

Where do i transport it to?
My current "base" thats already crammed with everything?
A new location that i build as large main storage?

If current base: how do i fitt it all

If new base: where?

Near my facilities?
In the centre of the map?

Jeez this game is doing my head in in a ... better way then other games but still 🫠

[wispy osprey]

I really really wish shapez 2 was on console and I can't stress this enough

I might get the steam machine

[ruby estuary]

use a lizard-doggo launcher

[zenith pecan]

Choice of transport is up to you, that's the beauty of this game., though if moving tons of packaged fuel, a train might be a good choice.

[reef basin]

why transport it at all? build near nodes, make it there

[zenith pecan]

I still want to build a backrooms catch site at 0,0 on the map complete with sickly yellow walls, that collects things that fall through the map.

[inland ore]

Cause the spot i make it at is not a spot that im at much and dont want to run there any time I need it.

[reef basin]

that's why you use dimensional depots

[wispy osprey]

Trains have a stop time for throughput, so you need an item buffer to have a steady rate

[inland ore]

I dont really like them and try avoid using them.

But I get where you come from

[peak wasp]

Does anyone else feel a like, gutteral pain from having to use power shards?
Like, I'm planning a factory and I'm currently at a point where just one power shard would greatly increase the ease that this factory runs at... But I don't wanna use it

[reef basin]

if you really don't want to use depots, then just make it at nodes anyway and then just transport it to central storage

[reef basin]

I mean they are practically infinite but it's really your choice

[wispy osprey]

There are enough slugs in the world to sloop 6000~ shards which is already overkill and you can synthesize them later

[inland ore]

That was my thought proces. But my current base was not thought at storage base so i have to build a new one. Wich leads us to the next question: where😂

[peak wasp]

It's not about them being limited, I currently have 215 shards and I don't even have oil yet. It's more the feeling that it's taking a shortcut

[wispy osprey]

Research sloop bonus if you haven't already, have a small factory slooping slugs

[reef basin]

wherever you want really. (though again you can avoid all that with dimensional depots)

[reef basin]

you're improving machines at a cost 🤷

[wispy osprey]

That's the point in efficiency without using a ton of space

It comes at a cost

[inland ore]

YOU killed all those snails i hope you think of that every time you go to sleep!

[peak wasp]

I do and I am proud of it.

[hardy swan]

hay guys where i can find my save file?

[wispy osprey]

Think of power shards as a speed multiplyer more than a throughput modifier

[inland ore]

Maybe you threw it in to a sink?

[inland ore]

You are sickening!

[zenith pecan]

I'm converting slugs now, I used my last power shards making time crystals.

[wispy osprey]

If you're at the point of time crystals just synth shards anyway

[hardy swan]

where on the game archives i find it?

[zenith pecan]

The most worth it somersloop ever!

[zenith pecan]

Too busy rebuilding other things, in addition, I cannot sink them so I didn't see the need to infinite just yet.

Not when I still have slugs.

[inland ore]

I realy wish i could help you but I play on console so i have no idea. You wont get more than a bad joke out of me :/

[hardy swan]

lol kakaka okay thanks anyway

[wispy osprey]

This is why you blueprint all of your designs ahead of schedule

That way the individual blueprints are upgradable, you can delete the old ones, and replace them with the shiny new belts and efficiency

[zenith pecan]

In spite of my colossal scale, I actually seldom use blueprints 🤷‍♂️

[wispy osprey]

Even with their limits, 6×6 does a lot more than you think

[zenith pecan]

I'm aware of that, I just find it straight forward enough just tossing down machines in a hurry as opposed to trying to come up with generic designs that don't fit all.

[wispy osprey]

Some people modify this and just make copy paste factories anyway

Placing hundreds of the same exact building isn't very tantalizing gameplay

[inland ore]

Oh god... x. 0 y. 0 is not in the centre of the map... my day is ruined. Worst game ever made

[zenith pecan]

Maybe not, but it's what I've done since I started very early in early access and it works in spite of building structures that are multi-kilometre monsters.

[wispy osprey]

Monster factories just burn your CPU anyway

[zenith pecan]

I have 64gb so it's not really that much of an issue, I think my cpu would be unhappy first.

[wispy osprey]

That's what I meant yeah

Nothing wrong with a modular design at all

[zenith pecan]

My old world used to need 47gb just to even load due to multiple colossal facilities on the map.

[wispy osprey]

Though the amount of nodes in close proximity to water is decently small...

[zenith pecan]

Wouldn't be the first time I've build a continent spanning pipeline to address that.

Right now I'm currently preparing to take up every last drop of oil in the spire coast for the sake of production.

[wispy osprey]

Doc said this about worldwide pipes: "anything that can be transported an extremely long distance via pipe is better used to package and transport on a train"

At least i think he was the one with that advice

[zenith pecan]

When working, the simplicity of the pipes when full works out just fine, without extra points of failure, you just need to let the thing fill up.

My old setup was a pipeline that extended across the entire spire coast, and moved the oil to the dunes for processing, once troubleshooting was done, it worked fine.

[wispy osprey]

I do like the prospect of pipe highways (mostly 600m³ pipelines) spanning the map

And it doesn't seem... too terrible to logistically setup

[zenith pecan]

Here's part of the old setup, it collected all the oil in the spire and moved to the dunes #design-and-architecture message

[wispy osprey]

Yea what I'm thinking would be something similar

[zenith pecan]

One thing you'll see with my pipeline, it is completely level across the whole thing, it avoids certain hiccups.

[regal oyster]

hello is there any layouts for the awsome shredder for late game beginners

which item can i preduce only for the shredder

[wispy osprey]

Aside from the entry point needing head lift

[oak nymph]

Make 60 nuclear pasta/min

[wispy osprey]

The input in that example does have to rise up but after that it is flat like you say

[regal oyster]

im at the beginning of the game

[zenith pecan]

Pump goes there, the reason to elevate is the level system though.

[wispy osprey]

Yeah

[oak nymph]

Any projects part tbh is good

[zenith pecan]

I don't think I managed 60 in my old save alas, here's the feed from the partially complete factory back then #design-and-architecture message

[oak nymph]

No way how much copper did you use

[wispy osprey]

Crude to HoR/Rubber can only flow at 600m³ anyway, the more I think about modulation the more I want to start fresh again

[junior creek]

hey guys sorry for interrupting your conversation but I have a quick question if you have a second

[zenith pecan]

Flow and logistics is why I'm building clusters within the spire this time, and will belt via tunnel the produce instead of moving the oil, it also frees space in the dunes.

[zenith pecan]

It's been a while but way too much.

[oak nymph]

??

[junior creek]

should I start using MK. 2 belts asap after unlocking them because they seem quite expensive

[oak nymph]

They are expensive

[wispy osprey]

Tons of copper sheet are only necessary in late game

[zenith pecan]

Sorry, I generally treat "interruptions" as though they aren't there and just carry on 😛 , just ask a question eh 🙂

[oak nymph]

Use them if needed don't use them if not needed

[wispy osprey]

Nuke plants eating almost every copper resource is pretty funny though

[junior creek]

yeah but my production seems like it needs a bit more speed ngl

[mortal ginkgo]

they are very expensive, use them where they are needed but they are also a good insentive to automate in larger amount

[zenith pecan]

Considering expense is a losing proposition, if you have something automated, just use it.

[oak nymph]

It won't speed up anything if the machine don't need more

If you want to speed up thing put more machine down

[wispy osprey]

Reminder that even 10 per minute will get you there eventually

[oak nymph]

"eventually"

[junior creek]

well the machines are producing more than the belts are able to carry out in time like my screws production goes on maybe 3 minutes after the power has run out maybe even longer

[zenith pecan]

I generally try to have belt max throughput match the facility requirements, it looks cooler that way, though a refit is generally a pain, here's an old example #design-and-architecture message

[oak nymph]

It should never happen but upgrade your belt then

[wispy osprey]

Well, if you need 5000 parts in later game I guess 10/min is decently sluggish

Leaving satisfactory idle while you do errands or real life work helps

[junior creek]

#design-and-architecture message looks so organised

I love it

[junior creek]

okay thanks

[wispy osprey]

I've seen some really great looking 60/min belt factories.

I swear some people here are genuinely rocket scientists

[zenith pecan]

I used a lot of mk1 & mk3 belts in that one, but you do need to pay attention to the numbers going through the factory to match it for the rule of cool, most folks just use the fastest possible which has the lest chance to fail, I just don't like seeing 40ppm zooming past at the speed of sound only to present an empty belt for the majority of the time.

Just a design choice on my part though, don't take it as a rule.

[frosty mirage]

Are smart splitters bugged or am i stupid? 😭

[real shale]

gotta love the organised factory thats in complete darkness :D

[tall lantern]

not enough info to answer either way

though generally they work fine...

[zenith pecan]

I'm working on avoiding the darkness woes with these #design-and-architecture message , they rely on the lumen.

[real shale]

oh no im all for it, but then again im the "engineer" type of player where i design the factory to be efficient but like with minimal aesthetic appeal, the amount of open air factories i have rn is abysmal lol

[frosty mirage]

Left output set for rubber, the other one for plastic but it wont take the damn plastic.. when it says left output, is it from the perspective of the input?

[zenith pecan]

I have a few open air skeletons that still need to be taken down & replaced.

[real shale]

in a way i kinda like the beauty of seeing an open air factory

you get to see all its complexity in its entirety

is there a way to make r.fog 0 permanent?

[tall lantern]

if you were standing on the input belt facing the splitter, the outputs would be from that perspective yes. Left, straight, right

[real shale]

i notice that every time i reboot open the game it turns back on

[frosty mirage]

Smth is wrong then.. do the smart splitters act weird if placed on lifts? Could that be the damn issue?

[tall lantern]

pass, never used them on lifts

I'd check if there's anything else stuck inside though

maybe rebuild that bit

[prisma mantle]

Is it normal that my game looks a bit blurry?

[real shale]

its from the perspective of you looking at the lift directly iirc

theres always a tell center output from the accenting on top

#screenshots message

[tall lantern]

seems easy enough to test - set it to send everything out one direction, see what direction that is, go from there

[real shale]

like this, red is center

[frosty mirage]

Rebuilt several times and its the same issue

[real shale]

or in the default case its, orange or whatever swatch you have on lol

[clever sandal]

when next update

[real shale]

unknown, from what i've heard theres a devstream next week so we might get more info then

so far we know its the first half of the year

[frosty mirage]

Center should be opposite to input right? And left and right from input side?

[real shale]

its wherever the accent difference is on top

[tall lantern]

why not just check it this way 😛

[real shale]

for mergers the colouring is inverted to splitters

so whatever input/output has a different colouration on top is the center

[frosty mirage]

Because its in a factory with lots of logistics 🙁 i'll try to retrace and find out whats going on

[reef basin]

anything you have excess of (usually you make things for storage/depot and overflow excess to sink when storage/depot is full)

[twin parcel]

nah screw colours , i rely on intuition instead .

[real shale]

Not really intuition if the game gives you several indicators both when placing and placed as to what the center is

[hardy swan]

what do i put in the Alien Power Augmenter input?

[real shale]

alien power matrices, a phase 5 unlock

[hardy swan]

thanks

[twin parcel]

i didnt expect josh have a competition

[zenith pecan]

Huh?

[ornate saffron]

If you are using upscaling features it is normal to get some blurring

[hazy void]

is it possible to get more somersloops than the 106 on the map?

[versed cosmos]

some people here mention duplication bugs

id just use advanced game settings if you really want them

[ornate saffron]

The is a way to duplicate and reset sloops. You can also use advance settings to put stacks of them in your inventory.

But there is no way to get more that doesnt feel like cheating

[hazy void]

i saw a screen shot of someone with 156 and wondered how that was possible

[hazy void]

whats that way?

[ornate saffron]

Be more specific. I mentions 3 options.

[twin parcel]

uh guys which one has pros and cons ? create a factory for modular frame then transport the mf to a different factory to process into hmf or just build one single factory that does everything for hmf ?

[hazy void]

HMF all in one place

[hazy void]

the way that doesnt feel like cheating

[ornate saffron]

A factory for just HMF is not a large factory. I'd just do that.

Take your time and plan it out tho. Satisfactory tools helps

[ornate saffron]

There is NO way that doesnt feel like cheating

[hazy void]

ah

[versed cosmos]

i build my modular frame factory to have my hmf factory built around it

so i can just attach on what i need to what already exists

[ornate saffron]

The least cheaty feeling way is reseting the sloops on the map. I don't know how but I know its a thing

[ornate saffron]

Good way to go about it if you know what's coming ^-^

[twin parcel]

how much hmf per minute the factory produce? like what is the bare minimum?

[ornate saffron]

Its a self imposed number. Generally speaking i make enough for the phase goal plus some for cloud storage

First time I build them on a save amyways

[versed cosmos]

i make 3.75 for my first factory

that'll give me building supplies and will build up enough to get through the tiers while i'm building other stuff

[twin estuary]

Howdy

[real shale]

oh, i can attach nobelisks to lizard doggos

[ornate saffron]

@twin parcel that is normal in the dunes. You can raise the belts to avoid the clipping

[ornate saffron]

Ya some ppl will give doggo a stack of radioactive parts then nob the dog

[real shale]

oh i knew that i just didnt know the nobelisks attached to them

[lilac bear]

You can attach nobelisks to pretty much anything.

[real shale]

wait....trains?

[ornate saffron]

And factory carts

[real shale]

bomber trains??? lets gooo

[lilac bear]

Any vehicle AFAIK

Drones, trains, trucks.

If you haven't discovered it already, vehicles go nicely with pulse nobelisks.

Makes them go boing.

[inland ore]

Heya im building my very first train track and now i have a question:
Would it be smarter to build one "big" train line that takes a round through all of my factorys or should i do several ones that go from point a to point b wit only the recurces needed there?

[lilac bear]

It Depends(TM)

[ornate saffron]

Generally speaking I always build a two track one direction train system and I build as needed.

For example my starter factory doesnt need a train so why make that add on.

[inland ore]

It always depends(TM) doenst it?...

[lilac bear]

With a question that's not specific enough, usually 🙂

[ornate saffron]

Ya, your current choice are informed by previous choices and future plans

[wary falcon]

how do i get lots of mercer spheres?

[lilac bear]

Explore the map. Bring weapons, blade runners and nobelisks.

[wary falcon]

alright ty

[ornate saffron]

In the mam you can research the ability to use the object scanner to find them. Use the object scanner and the SCIM to find them

[real shale]

mama

[inland ore]

Mama

[ornate saffron]

Oooooooo

[ornate saffron]

I just unlocked trains (this save) my plan is to think about long term logistics as I build my factories. Im going to need lots of resources from the blue crater so ill build a large train hub there. Ill need large quanties to quartz so as I build my quartz factory in the purple jungle area ill include trains and so on

[real shale]

time to turn southern forest into an extended version of grass fields

[ornate saffron]

I sometimes wish we had a flamethrower

[inland ore]

See here is the thing you can plan ahead.

Its my first play through and im not watching any videos or anything.
I dont know what i will need in the future or even were my next factorys will be.

My 3 current ones were not build in the slightest to fit trains, i just rebuilt 2 so it can fit the stations and I can get the stuff to the very first one that im currently rebuilding to act as big storage base.

Now I dont know if I should take the same train line to the third factory or use another one. And what i do after that I will have to see i suppose

[real shale]

i wish i could destroy those pointy bulbs in southern forest

#screenshots message these things

[inland ore]

I wish I could destroy ALL of the wierd mushrooms on the beach in the northwest corner of the map...

[ornate saffron]

Well the question is do those old factories need trains? What purpose do they serve? I find the first few pre train factories just feed sinks and feed my cloud storage. I tend to build new for the purposes ahead

[unkempt blade]

and the answer is "yes, all factories need trains (or some other vehicle)"

[ornate saffron]

Nobs don't work?

[real shale]

nah

[ornate saffron]

In most cases a factory cart doing loops is enough

[inland ore]

I dont quite like the dimensional depos so i try not to use them.

Therfore one main storage base.

(Yes its stupid but it gives me more of a feeling for the game and a challenge of inventory planning)

[ornate saffron]

I use both. If I need lots of resources ill load up a train or truck to bring with me

I have one bridge that took 4 freight cars worth of steel beams

[whole radish]

i just completed phase 3, what should i do first?

i currently have a surplus of 15kMW aswell as 100kMW in batteries

[ornate saffron]

Likely aluminum. The next belt tier is real nice

[whole radish]

okay thanks

so just ALCLAD or whatever that was

or what should i make out of it

[ornate saffron]

Tip for aluminum first timer. Don't mix fresh water and by product water. Find another use for the water. For example wet concrete, pure recipes

[ornate saffron]

Alcad aluminum sheets arr made from aluminum ingots

[whole radish]

okay, can u check #screenshots

[lilac bear]

alclad sheets stack really nice as well, in stacks twice the size of encased steel, which makes them a breeze to work with on belts.

[whole radish]

in that area what should i use the water for would you say?

[ornate saffron]

No longer answer here.

But ask your self. How will you get the parts off the mountain.

Not a trick question. Just take some time to think about future logistics many answers. Find the one that right for you

[whole radish]

i thought i could just use lifts to get it to the factory

[ornate saffron]

Depends on recipies you have and future plans. In my experience I always need more concrete

[frosty mirage]

god damn it im finally done with the computer factory (9/m computer and 8/min high speed connector), i used caterium alts and I also used the extra petroleum coke for coke steel ingot alt for 100/m steel pipes and 62.5/m steel beams 🥳

[whole radish]

okay thanks

[ornate saffron]

After. You have a large aluminum factory and you need casing for a phase parts how do you transport them.

Im just saying planning a few steps ahead may save you headaches.

I am sure you'll do great.

[whole radish]

train i guess, or drone if i get that by then

or trucks ig right

worst case is just belt highway

[lilac bear]

Works fine on my machine 😛

[lilac bear]

Yup.

[ornate saffron]

Oh I mixed first time and it took me days to get it working. Almost broke my spirit.

It was a great lesson amd I learned much. But many ppl quit at that point and I don't want someone's drive to be crushed. I feel like its a second playthrough lesson lol

[lilac bear]

You do got to lookup a few things about water priority, yea. Because if the product water can't be dumped, the line will shut down.

[ornate saffron]

Like I said great lesson and the fluids guide really helps

[terse lagoon]

What can be potentially a really good concrete farm? I'm not an expert at the game, so a little bit of help could be awesome

[fickle locust]

Do you mean location or recipe?

[terse lagoon]

Recipe is fine

[soft marsh]

Damn, I found a perfect spot to put an awesome shop but because of the hitbox of the sink I can't do it 😭

[gleaming hearth]

going through my first playthrough on this game...all I can say is ADA is hilarious!!! Choo Choo Mother******!

[leaden turret]

same person responsible for the lines is also responsible for the number of eggplants in the game

[soft marsh]

Gonna have to reconfigure this setup - too much wasted space since I cant put anything there

[fickle locust]

Rubber concrete is both your most efficient and doesn't use all that much rubber, it's my personal favorite

[terse lagoon]

Thanks man I'll check it out as soon as possible

[fickle locust]

Wet concrete is mostly useful when you're trying to get rid of water. Fine concrete using silica is annoying because quartz is actually useful for other things

[jolly sierra]

wassah chat

[terse lagoon]

oh hey, fellow oaklands player

[jolly sierra]

lol

[sharp knoll]

Valid to use chatgpt to help with building factory?

[jolly sierra]

invalid

[lilac bear]

Fine concrete is only useful if you have spare quartz (rarely ever happens) and need concrete in a place close to the quartz that has no limestone nearby (and really, that rarely ever happens either).

[lilac bear]

It's your game, do whatever. Just... don't come to us if the output is wrong and you ask us to verify the wrong output.

LLMs like ChatGPT hallucinate a lot.

[sharp knoll]

Is there like anything that can help me with calculating inputs and how much of what I need

[sharp knoll]

Yeah I noticed that aswell

[lilac bear]

Excel and the wiki are enough for most people.

But there's a whole bunch of tools around.

[sharp knoll]

ohh didnt think of that

Yeah I might just use that if it exists

[fickle locust]

Satisfactory calculator or satisfactory modeler do this. But excel is also fine, you just make multiplications for the ratios

[lilac bear]

!wikisearch online tools

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=online+tools

[ornate saffron]

Satisfactory tools pinned in #math-and-meta is the community go to

[fickle locust]

But if you're using Excel make sure you don't do what I did and apply the wrong ratio, resulting in making 40 Automated Control Units when you only needed 10

[sharp knoll]

I just used it to calculate all the ratios and buildings thank you very much guys

[real shale]

now my southern forest is more green than purple

beautiful

[lilac bear]

Best tool on the world won't prevent a user error 😛

[void cliff]

Gotta get one of those calculators with a printer on it

[sharp knoll]

Okay another problem just appeared while using satisfactory tools. I have 900 iron ingot output and its telling me to split it in 471.429 and 428.571, how excatly do I do this without the programmable splitter?

[elfin smelt]

underclocking

[void cliff]

You use a manifold

[sharp knoll]

I am using one its just I have to use two separate smelting systems, because I dont have the belt to transport 900 ore

do I just clock it down till its good enough to use with my belt?

[lilac bear]

What the hell are you making that gave you those numbers and how many fractions will that give you in the rest of your production line.

[elfin smelt]

as long as the 471.429 line is configured to use 471.429 ingots it will eventually overflow to the other line

[void cliff]

You can put mergers between splitters (say you only have two 480 belts) just merge the leftover of the first belt into the next manifold. Final splitter on the first manifold is a smart splitter only allowing overflow to go to the next manifold

[lilac bear]

It's a 1,1:1 ratio. How bad is it really if you start with 50/50?

[elfin smelt]

from the spliter

[sharp knoll]

Okay Imma explain my Problem a bit deeper. I have 900 Ore from 6 miners to transport and only got the mk4 belt. So I was thinking of splitting that up into two smelting systems (which have a manifold each) which I can run with my mk4 belt. Now my question is how I am going to split those 900 iron ingots into the numbers above.

kinda tricky problem

[elfin smelt]

the belts will balance themselves out

with time

[lilac bear]

If one of them is saturated, the other will take the rest.

[elfin smelt]

it will initially be 450:450 but once one saturates the other will take the rest

[void cliff]

You underclock the machines to get your exact rates, overflow first manifold into the second

[sharp knoll]

wdym the other one will take the rest?

how so, if the smelting systems arent connected

[elfin smelt]

oh but they are

[sharp knoll]

how

[elfin smelt]

side A consumes 428 and side B consumes 471

an input of 450 will overflow the internal buffers of side A because it can only process 428

[sharp knoll]

yes but the smelting system makes side a 450 and side B 450

[lilac bear]

Easiest approach? Set them up separately at first. Until you have the belt unlocked for 900/min. Or split and merge only one of the miners instead of the whole thing. It's not rocket science but you're looking at the numbers too hard. Go back to how a splitter works. What you actually need at each half of the system.

[unborn moss]

No, they are saying the 2 systems are not connected at all.

But makes it overcomplicated if you're trying to calculate 2 systems into 1 for some reason.

[sharp knoll]

😭 🙏

[elfin smelt]

therefore the remaining 22 will go to side B, it now has an ore throughput of 472 from 450

[sharp knoll]

I would have made one smelting system If I could but i only got mk4

[lilac bear]

You don't need a completely optimized system from the get go. Just get it running and come back to it later to upgrade the belts, that's seriously the easiest approach.

[elfin smelt]

yes

[unborn moss]

I get that, but make it easier on yourself. If you have 2 separate systems, use 2 separate builds on Tools.

[lilac bear]

If you do want to get it running optimized from the start, it's possible. But it seems you're not quite grasping the basics sufficiently.

[sharp knoll]

Yea I think you're right I'll just underclock the miners a bit so it fits on one belt and then it works for now👍

[lilac bear]

Underclocking is optional, the miner will simply stop working when the belt is full and start back up when there's room.

[sharp knoll]

oh yeah true

[lilac bear]

There used to be power advantages to underclocking, but I think they removed the exponentiality of that a long time ago which gives very little benefit now to underclocking.

Slightly more stable on the power so still a good idea if it involves multiple machines, but a miner or two...

shrug

[sharp knoll]

thx for the help man

[lilac bear]

No problem, this server is full of people who can't help themselves giving out advice.

I'm just one of the people with that virus.

[real shale]

#screenshots message i think there used to be a forest here but im not sure

[jolly sierra]

Wrong thing lol

Didn't mean to send here

[real shale]

okay now that i've effectively wiped the southern forest biome off the map, it is time to make it pretty with industrialisation

[scenic mirage]

or you could fix your fuel generators

[real shale]

its only like 4 of them messing up, out of the 300+ odd i have spread across the map

[scenic mirage]

smh

[real shale]

listen deforesting is a very important job

[whole radish]

or you just build above it

[real shale]

or i could destroy it all and then build above it

[whole radish]

takes so much time

[scenic mirage]

ada would be very disappointed

[whole radish]

you dont have to worry about the terrain if you do as i suggested

[real shale]

i've dumped over 1000 nobelisks into eradicating the southern forest from the map

[scenic mirage]

good boy :3

[real shale]

oh no its not about the terrain i dont care about that

[whole radish]

but mountains i mean

[real shale]

its about destroying this planet for everything it has

[whole radish]

like thats annoying i just build over it

so then they dont see the starlight, so they all die automatically

[hidden hamlet]

The desert is an unforgiving wasteland and I wish we could make fake trees and stuff

[scenic mirage]

you can make basically anything

[wintry carbon]

how much iron plate, iropn rod and iron pipe i should need in end game

is 1500/min each enough?

[scenic mirage]

just have an impure node or smth dedicated to filling up a dimensional depot. you should just be making whatever you need, where you need it

[wintry carbon]

i am making some towers for each of it in the desert as there is alot of iron

gonna use all the iron there.

[scenic mirage]

its not rlly recommended to build megafactories for stuff like that
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[wintry carbon]

my pc can handle it, wanne see how much i can push it 😄

[scenic mirage]

🤷‍♂️ if you want, its just not rlly recommended bc its difficult to properly send the right amounts where you need it

[glossy forge]

LFG 2-3 people

[hidden hamlet]

Does anyone else find that the smoke effects from machines are weird recently? They used to be a constant plume but now they’re just intermittent puffs

[scenic mirage]

vs just making the amount you need in the place you need it

[scenic mirage]

#1201555265942724758

[mortal ginkgo]

They always been very meh for me.

Especially Refinery and Smelter smokes are really almost.. not there.

[hidden hamlet]

I changed my VFX to medium and it kinda fixed it but my pc has no issues runnigg the game at ultra settings

[mortal ginkgo]

I am always been ultra and smokes always been ultra meh 😛

[hidden hamlet]

I had an issue with ray tracing too but that’s just UE5 being shit

[ivory condor]

ray tracing has always been shit, the only real path forward is full path tracing but thats really expensive to do still hardware wise

[hidden hamlet]

The moment that your signs become even slightly obstructed they seem to stop emitting light

[ivory condor]

doesnt matter if its UE5 or not, ray tracing was and still is marketing garbage, sure path tracing is probably going to be worth it, eventually, once hardware can handle it, but thats probably a ways off

[hidden hamlet]

Not me wanting to go and see if my hardware can handle it

(Gonna blow up my pc)

[ivory condor]

you can always try cyberpunk 2077, it has full path tracing but probably will blow up your pc

[hidden hamlet]

Oh I can run cyberpunk

[ivory condor]

i remember trying it and it was borderline unplayable, unless you use all the frame gen in the world to have a playable framerate

[ornate saffron]

honestly Satisfactory is the only game i found it was worth turning raytracing on fort

[mortal ginkgo]

at that point you might as well generate a new game keke

[hidden hamlet]

Framegen is something is I find weird

I don’t understand why it gets so much hate

[ornate saffron]

fine for single player games but id never use it for something competitive or multiplay4er

[hidden hamlet]

I only play solo 🤓

(I don’t have any friends)

[ivory condor]

because some devs and use it in place of proper optimization, and then you have games that have alot of artifacts and looks horrible

[hidden hamlet]

Okay no that’s fair

[ivory condor]

there is some really bad examples where games require framegen for 1080p at 60 fps, pretty bad stuff

[hidden hamlet]

I’m at 1440p with pretty consistent 100+ FPS

I only really use framegen for poorly optimised games cough EA

[ornate saffron]

Satisfactory has been one of the best optimized modern games ive played

[ivory condor]

i was referring to examples like monster hunter wilds, just go look at that games recommended, 1080p at 60 fps with frame gen enabled, thats ridiculous

[hidden hamlet]

Insane even

[ivory condor]

oh and it gets better because thats only at "medium" settings, i mean seriously thats really bad

anyways those are examples of why frame gen get so much hate, because of that bullshit

[ornate saffron]

the game doesnt run on my 3060 laptop

even with upsacling. im lucky to get 20fps

[ivory condor]

madness

[ornate saffron]

this is in a 10 degree Celsius warehouse wher cooling is no issue

Friends who have similarly speced desktops have the same issues for MHwilds

[ivory condor]

I sure love these modern games with garbage levels of optimization

[ornate saffron]

with the 3060 being rereleased they better start optimazing lol

[ivory condor]

though if this is the future of gaming, houston i think we have a problem

[dire needle]

Is there any recipe or general layout people prefer for plastic / Rubber produktion?

[ivory condor]

lol, we can only hope

[flint grail]

The bio burner at the hub, running since Day 1: "I'm tired of this, grandpa"

[scenic mirage]

its bc its a laptop. its a diff type of 3060 which isnt as powerful, and the cpu is also not as powerful

[ornate saffron]

Oh, i know this but friends with simular specs Desktops have the same issues

had/ apperently the last update fixed a lot

[scenic mirage]

ppl say LGIO helped a lot with optimization w his crazy saves

[fading crow]

i'm done, wanna see my final result?

[glad hawk]

What I did is I fullscreened the game and then it magically got good

[gray mauve]

I have coal-fired power plants, but my power keeps going out. Can anyone tell me why?

[fickle locust]

Your consumption is above your production, most likely because some of your plants are turning off

[clever sandal]

why isnt my train freight platform taking any cargo from conveyor belts

[gray mauve]

also i have build a 3 one but the power going out, maybe not enough water?

[fluid crow]

make sure it's powered and set to revive

[clever sandal]

its powered

and wdym revive

[fluid crow]

on "load"

[fickle locust]

Post in #1038092680493801533 because we'll want screenshots, but my guess is you're not getting enough water to the plants

That's the most common issue

[clever sandal]

yeah its on load

[fluid crow]

if theres a train docking try canceling

[clever sandal]

OOOH

i know, i destoryed the previous train station but kept the freight platform and now the game is confused

what

why it doesn't still work

wtf everything should work

this gotta be some bug

[unborn moss]

I've destroyed many train stations without destroying the freight platform and never had an issue. Trains are finicky, but issues are usually user based 😄

[clever sandal]

well yeah then what the hell is the problem if there shouldn't really be any

[midnight orchid]

So i need some help woth my building techniques like on how to make it look better while being efficient too

got any ideas

[clever sandal]

#1038092680493801533 might find there or #design-and-architecture

[ornate saffron]

making buildings look good often starts by creating depth by adding pillars and other odjects

[clever sandal]

alr idk i just rebuilt the whole train station and now it works

[midnight orchid]

thanks ill try adding some pillars to my box like builds today

[clever sandal]

this game is filled with osha violations

[void mason]

A little question, is possible destroy the giant tree?

[unkempt blade]

Of course I do!

[lilac bear]

Well, it's a laptop.

[scenic mirage]

is it possible to change the order of stuff in dimension depot

[zenith pecan]

Only to the degree of favouriting, even that gives another "fixed" order which is so maddening, they do need to change that and/or allow for items to be removed from the depot queue.

[ornate saffron]

Everyone says thios but Satisfactory runs wonderfully on it

[coral marsh]

A fluid depot would be really cool, especially if you just need a quick item or 2

[fickle locust]

No, the trees in the Titan Forest are essentially terrain

[zenith pecan]

Shame the games nuclear devices are too weedy to blast the thick trees off this rock.

[coral marsh]

They genuinely are quite weak

[zenith pecan]

Definitely, look how many I set off here just to clear some land in the swamp #screenshots message

[leaden ruin]

any recommendations on supercomputer factory location? struggling to find a happy spot with enough copper (or alternatively with SAM if doing that recipe route)

[covert quarry]

does the use of unnessescary mergers and splitters slow down production?

[zenith pecan]

Just ship materials and build wherever you like, just be prepared to be building roads rail or beltways.

[fluid crow]

if it does it's a computer problem

[covert quarry]

i do have a location on the map coordinates are -932 -1460 there is a copper node and a SAM node but the SAM node is deep inside a cave

[covert quarry]

alr thanks

[zenith pecan]

In my example, if I need to use SAM, I now just build it in the dunes because that's where all the worlds sam goes #design-and-architecture message

[scenic mirage]

@swift turret you said i wouldnt be able to get to oil without more power. couldve gone without the power storage but i didnt wanna turn off space elevator parts. im all good on weapons. i did this JUST to spite you 😎

#screenshots message

[void mason]

So it would be a better idea to take and bring the resources to an external processing point

[rancid torrent]

Hola!

[fickle locust]

I mean you can build in among the trees. Processing onsite or elsewhere is kind of a separate question

[zenith pecan]

Здравствуйте (Just kidding hello there)

[rancid torrent]

lol hi

[coral marsh]

Nuclear winter lmao

[coral marsh]

Dune desert has a crap ton of copper

[fickle locust]

What recipes are you wanting to use? There's a path of supercomputers that makes heavy use of quartz, and another that's much more around aluminum

[leaden ruin]

already using it

[zenith pecan]

No matter how many nukes I let off, I'd never get the temp to go down and make the world snow it out 🙁

[leaden ruin]

whichever make my life easier 😭

[coral marsh]

Nuclear winter just means the planet is covered in a blanket of radioactive material

It is "essentially" snowing down with radiation

[zenith pecan]

Well, a few million tons of particulates in the upper atmosphere blotting the sun out.

[coral marsh]

Yep

[zenith pecan]

You saw how many nukes I fired in just one clearing, I've been really really free with nukes, alas no changes to the weather because the game isn't coded for it 🤣

[coral marsh]

IIRC, the OC super computer alt recipe is in thr base game and its the best one IMHO. Super easy and you just need radio control units and cooling systems

[fickle locust]

Ok but I don't know what your map looks like so that makes it hard to say
I like the spot with oil at the end of the grand canyon, there's caterium on the heights above, that's most of the resources you need

I made my super computers with the battery alt and distributed parts factories. I chose the spot atop the cliff side with limestone, copper, and iron worked well for this, I carted over the caterium from deeper in the northern forest

[leaden ruin]

i see

[void mason]

I would like to make an aluminum processing area outside the bamboo forest, also because I need to have a facilitated distribution point for aluminum casing

[fickle locust]

Yeah both of the spots I'm mentioning you haven't used. If you wanted to go heavy silica you could also take the left side of the inlet and bring quartz out of that cave, make silica circuit boards

[fickle locust]

The Crater Lakes area can be good for this

[void mason]

Honestly I should make a more complete infrastructure for trains but I don't know how to build it

[unkempt blade]

Take a pause from building and figure it out! They're lots of fun and not very difficult

[void mason]

I have a 120gw plant that occupies the area

[void mason]

My problem is that playing from console I struggle with the most complex or "detailed" constructions

[unkempt blade]

then keep it simple, you don't have to make it crazy for it to work 😄

[lilac bear]

If you don't expect 40 fps and PC 3060 graphics, sure.

Well, if the factories don't get too big there's quite a lot it will do actually.

But then, Satisfactory was made by a company that understood they had to optimize their game and that monster hunter stuff was made by a bunch of cash grabbers.

Satisfactory is really well optimized for a modern game.

It ran pretty well on my previous card, a GTX 1660 Ti OC.

[fluid crow]

optimizing it so it works good on console and steam deck is probably a good financial decision as well

[unkempt blade]

Yeah it runs wildly better than it did for chunks of EA. There was a point where my dedi server cut its resource allocation down to like 30% of what it was before

[void mason]

I have to find a way to get the trains into the bamboo forest (a natural way)

[unkempt blade]

it wasn't awful during EA or anything but they put in a lot of work making it run better

[silent comet]

is there such thing as too much power?

[unkempt blade]

yeah I'd probably make a BP for a "pillar" the track(s) can sit on top of + do some deforestation is needed

[ornate saffron]

yes, when you are sick of building more then you need. If you enjoy building it then no

[silent comet]

okay cool

time to fully rebuild my old turbo fuel factories to use diluted fuel recipes

[unkempt blade]

It's resources (and compute power) that you could be using towards something else. It's not so much "too much" as that there's an opportunity cost involved

[silent comet]

fair

[real shale]

Power.......

[silent comet]

might acc get to t9 cuz conveyor thruput is choking me on a lot of areas

like aluminum

[covert glade]

yall sorry this is kinda off topic but i was jus thinkin abt this

will the devs ever add boats?

like cargo ships?

[silent comet]

they'd have to add new islands for that

[unkempt blade]

I heard the cyberwagon can function as a boat for short period of time

[real shale]

Besides coastal transportation there isn't much of a use case for it, since the island is just one big island

[fickle locust]

Is that the Blue Crater? The Crater Lakes are NW of the red forest

[zenith pecan]

I wouldn't mind if the space elevator changed ||to repeatedly building ships after the first one launched||, even if it's just a big time coupon flex.

[fickle locust]

They've addressed this in a dev stream and said that's not something they're planning on or looking to do

[covert glade]

damn

[unkempt blade]

What I always wanted was for the last package to suck you through a wormhole and dump you onto a brand new planet where everything costs double the resources as the last planet

[zenith pecan]

Anything that amounts to a new game+ really.

[lilac bear]

Absolutely.

[zenith pecan]

Back soonish, I need to go retrieve a delivery 👍

[sleek creek]

Does ground vegitation ever grow back?

[unkempt blade]

it's not supposed to, sometimes an update will cause it to reset though

[lilac bear]

There's a mod that basically requires you to keep sending stuff to the space elevator. None of the benefits, all of the hard work: https://ficsit.app/mod/KeepFeedingToMaintainPhase

[lilac bear]

Has that happened since 1.0?

[sleek creek]

Are the steel alt recipes worth searching for over the standard ones?

[junior ridge]

how do you change dismantle mode?

[lilac bear]

Early Access sometimes had entire caverns move, that's hardly relevant anymore.

[coral marsh]

Hell yea, the petroleum coke recipe for steel ingots is a god send and the steel screws recipe makes screws enjoyable and workable

[fluid crow]

⁨R⁩

[junior ridge]

thanks

[coral marsh]

Press R on pc

[sleek creek]

My 1st recipe was the iron ingots into screws.

So nice.

[unkempt blade]

I don't remember seeing one. Not sure though

I think it was normally when they messed with stuff related to the save file

[coral marsh]

Steel screws is my favorite, 5 steel beams into 260 screws a rario of 1:52, wildly high but great

Legit means you only need 1 or 2 constructors per recipe and if you need a lot more, you have an easy access to so much

[sleek creek]

I am about to make my steel factory. Was thinking of making it all into one area Steel Pipes, Beams, Reinforced Beams, Rotors, Stators and motors.

[coral marsh]

Use the coke steel ingot recipe if you have it, means you use a refinery, but that going into a foundry, makes for one of thee most item giving choices in the game

[sleek creek]

I don't have a refinery

[coral marsh]

Damn

[sleek creek]

There are 4 pure Iron nodes, 1 pure limestone and a ton of coal near where I am building.

[coral marsh]

Fair enough

[fickle locust]

Sounds like the time for solid steel ingots then

[drowsy rock]

one water pump can fuel how many coal generators

without overclock

[sleek creek]

I use 3 for 8

[drowsy rock]

damn

can one waeter pump power 3?

or should i jus overclock it

[fluid crow]

120/45

[drowsy rock]

i have no idea what taht means

[hollow hemlock]

1 normal water extract extracts 120 water units/minute, 1 coal generator gobbles 45 water units per minute. Math it out

[fluid crow]

extractor makes 120 a minute coal plant uses 45 so 2.666667 is your answer

[drowsy rock]

oh

[fluid crow]

so you could build 3 and under clock some or 2 at 100%

or build more or oc extractor

[drowsy rock]

also how much coal does it take per min

[fluid crow]

keep in mind a mk1 pipe has a max of 300

[hollow hemlock]

you can look at the machine or look at the wiki or look at satisfactory modeler, the information is out there

[fluid crow]

just put down a plant and look at it

[coral marsh]

Each coal plant consumes 45³m of water per minute and a water extractor can provide 120³m of water, you'll get 2.66 coal plants from 1 water extractor

[coral marsh]

Depends on the coal type used, petroleum coal and charcoal are the weakest so they burn the quickest but compacted coal is the strongest and burns the slowest

[sleek creek]

8 Coal Generators, 3 water extractors. If you need more then just double it and keep them seperate.

[coral marsh]

Also, just got done building 1 part of a very involved blueprint for turbo motors, looks great honestly

[sleek creek]

What tool do you all use to plan out factories?

[coral marsh]

Personally I just go with the flow but if i need to, ill use the satisfactory interactive maps production planner

[tall lantern]

The numbers? https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/
The layout? The game

[sleek creek]

Satisfactory calculator?

Why does that say 1.0? Isn't the game on 1.1?

[tall lantern]

there were no recipe changes

[sleek creek]

I am having really horrible luck with recipes.

[tall lantern]

that's fine, just get more drives

[sleek creek]

Why do some drives on the interactive map say they have not yet spawned in game?

[humble osprey]

Do u ever get tired of spamming fuel burners

[coral marsh]

Fuel, coal and nuke? Nah never

[zenith pecan]

I absolutely did especially after building a monster rocket fuel station across multiple 600+ metre tall towers.

[humble osprey]

Sighhh

I'm thinking of going nuclear

[zenith pecan]

Go for it.

[drowsy rock]

whats the best spot for a starter steel factory

[humble osprey]

R u in the grassy plains

[drowsy rock]

yea

[humble osprey]

I think I'll enjoy the logistics problem that comes with nuclear much more than the "spam as much as you can" Problem of fuel burners

I wish they made better fuel burn faster in the burner instead of making it burn less

[humble osprey]

There should be a coal node on an island nearby. Check your scanner

That's where I like my first steel base

[drowsy rock]

that yeah but its not near any iron node

[humble osprey]

There is?? R u sure ur in the right place

[zenith pecan]

Nuclear is quite a challenge if you want to control radiation (extra challenge), my old setup was almost completely radiation free as a result, 100 reactors in the hall and no radiation bar in sight (early experimental footage follows) #satisfactory-experimental message

[drowsy rock]

im looking for a iron node thats like almost directly next to coal

[humble osprey]

U won't find that

And get used to that

Nodes are spread out to encourage problem solving